What would a U.S.-Russia war look like?

[lordtiberius]

Self defense forces

Win win

Ron Paul, tower 7, haarp

[Maxx2]

Ron Paul!

his son will become prez in 2016. Ron will be appointed Treasury Secretary and together this dynamic duo will chase the money changers out of the Fed Temple!


Ron Paul! Rand Paul! Ron Paul!





Wake up America!

[The Natural]

So now after all the silly denial of USA's intervention in another country's state of affairs, what with all the illegal take over of a sovereign government, violence handed over to the country's citizenry, and all the chaos and uncertainty that wrapped the entire country, not to mention the pending division within its border; all the western media stooges can only say, 'oh well?'....

People died in this crisis. It sent an entire nation of people in desperate times...oh well?

Don't be give me this crap about USAID and all that silly feel good stuff. Tell that to those people who died in Kiev, people who were burned alive in Odessa and the family who survived them that they should all feel good the ol' USA caused and financed their suffering and ordeal.

This ain't about some silly sanctimonious acts of kindness. This has always been about geopolitical establishment and hegemony.

Right on! But ironic it is that those of us that knows this to be true are called victims of Russian propaganda, brainwashed, Kool-Aid drinkers and so on. It would be laughable except for the background of human tragedy.

The neocons in Washington must not succeed. The entire world needs a certain Balance militarily that Russia gives vs the US empire and the way I see it, only Putin has the qualities needed for that. Kinda like Churchill was the right leader at the right time when the original fascists threatened the world 75 years ago.

[GQBlues]

It isn't about neoconservatism, Natural. McCarthyism never left America's psyche. The Commies are, and always will be, the boogeymen.

Ukraine's May 25th election is nothing more than just silly fanfare. The leader has already been decided. 1950 Iran all over again.

Old habits die hard.

[lordtiberius]

Spoken from someone who should have been deported a long time ago . . .

Remember folks, Commies demoralize, force a crisis and then normalize (purge) . . .

[Gator]

The neocons in Washington must not succeed. The entire world needs a certain Balance militarily that Russia gives vs the US empire and the way I see it, only Putin has the qualities needed for that. Kinda like Churchill was the right leader at the right time when the original fascists threatened the world 75 years ago.

I disagree.  The goal should be stability, not balance.   The US has already been cutting military spending, about the only positive point I can make about Obama.  This was happening even with the awareness that China may pose a substantial future threat.  If Russia continues to exercise its aggression, the hawks in Washington, DC will gain favor.  It is best for world stability (and the US Federal budget) that Russia does not challenge the status quo. 

[The Natural]

It isn't about neoconservatism, Natural. McCarthyism never left America's psyche. The Commies are, and always will be, the boogeymen.

Yes, maybe so. But it seems it goes much deeper these days. Seems like these folks in charge in Washington demonize anyone who oppose their goal of total world domination whereas as I understand it, a majority of Americans are opposed to all the meddling in Foreign countries, including Ukraine/Russia. Remember the "If you're not With us, you're agains us".

[BillyB]

The goal should be stability, not balance.

Stability can happen if nations such as Russia, China, North Korea, Iran, and a few others earn other nation's respect and trust.

If Russia continues to exercise its aggression, the hawks in Washington, DC will gain favor.

Based on a few recent world events, Eastern European nations, Philippines, Japan, and South Korea have asked America to increase our military presence in their nations. Vietnam may be joining them. I hope we're getting paid for providing that security.

It is best for world stability (and the US Federal budget) that Russia does not challenge the status quo.

We're dealing with humans who are flawed. Stability is not what everyone is looking for. History has shown stability doesn't last unless one has a stronger military than the nations who'd want to end the way life you'd want to live. There are people who exist today, will exist tomorrow and some are right here on the forum who'd take joy in the downfall of America because they believe the world will be a better place to live.

[GQBlues]

Yes, maybe so. But it seems it goes much deeper these days. Seems like these folks in charge in Washington demonize anyone who oppose their goal of total world domination whereas as I understand it, a majority of Americans are opposed to all the meddling in Foreign countries, including Ukraine/Russia. Remember the "If you're not With us, you're agains us".

Your impressions are on the mark however these types of US-interventions, like the illegalities in Ukraine today, had been happening all over the globe for a long time now and the only difference today than the recent past is the availability of information to all of us. In essence, we *see* things unfold as they occur. Lies and deception's are easily exposed.

It used to be Americans always 'wondered' why so many hate us...Vietnam, Iraq, Iran, SA....events like Abu Graib, Nerkh, Kosovo, Serbia, etc..are just now coming to fruition that gives light as to 'why'.

Here's one example of that: http://www.rollingstone.com/feature/a-team-killings-afghanistan-special-forces

Watch this video...

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/videos/watch-highly-disturbing-footage-of-detainee-abuses-in-afghanistan-20131107

In the end, it matters very little what political stooge we elect in Washington. Same circus just different clowns.

[GQBlues]

This is what we supported and financed in the Balkans with our tax dollars..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bG8PQPkskW4&feature=share

Bosnians crimes against Serb civilians.

[Maxx2]

This is what we supported and financed in the Balkans with our tax dollars..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bG8PQPkskW4&feature=share

Bosnians crimes against Serb civilians.

I'm getting an "invalid parameters"

[Maxx2]

Yes, maybe so. But it seems it goes much deeper these days. Seems like these folks in charge in Washington demonize anyone who oppose their goal of total world domination whereas as I understand it, a majority of Americans are opposed to all the meddling in Foreign countries, including Ukraine/Russia. Remember the "If you're not With us, you're agains us".

That was George W Bush and it was "If you're not with us you are with the terrorists." This is the same tactic used by JayH, LordT and what BillyB just wrote:

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[The Natural]

That was George W Bush and it was "If you're not with us you are with the terrorists."

Yeah, that's right... it was With the terrorists.... even worse 

[GQBlues]

I'm getting an "invalid parameters"

Yeah...and some say we have no censorship. Google the title. Some are too graphic and you have to sign in to view. Some are just banned altogether.

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Everything you're curious about BURISMA and the wonderful world of US hegemony.

[GQBlues]

That was George W Bush and it was "If you're not with us you are with the terrorists." This is the same tactic used by JayH, LordT and what BillyB just wrote...

Yeah, well, you can read the drivels from all those 3 in this thread alone. Actually 2, the other just cut/paste articles.

Case in point....Filipinos DOES NOT want US bases back in the Philippines and have that country back on dangerous crosshair of countries the US may be targeting. BillyB surfs the shallow end of the western media and promote that stupidity all across. The agreement between Aquino and Obama was shrouded with secrecy and the country and its politicians were adamantly opposed to this arrangement.

It reserves the right for the US to have full access, and unabated regulations to house, deliver, use, store, build, operate, utilize, etc...whatever they feel the need to do so within the territory of the Philippines. That isn't 'asking for help', that's spotting that country as 'ground zero'.

[lordtiberius]

The nongay Filipinos approve of more US bases. 

[BillyB]

That was George W Bush and it was "If you're not with us you are with the terrorists."

Why did Bush say that? Was said pertaining to the hunt for 9/11 terrorists or for every policy he was trying to push? How about Obama? Does he subscribe to those words pertaining to his actions in Ukraine or even Obamacare?

Filipinos DOES NOT want US bases back in the Philippines

That's easy for you to say from the safety of your home in America. YOU, being Filipino, living in America, may not like the deal but luckily for an entire population of a nation, YOU, are not in charge of their security.


Everybody who knows Americans that went to the Philippines knows that Americans are popular there and the girls will be flirtatious. It's an easier place to find a woman than in the FSU. Just because a few militiants don't like the deal doesn't mean they represent the whole population.

Filipinos DOES NOT want US bases back in the Philippines and have that country back on dangerous crosshair of countries the US may be targeting.

Philippines were in China's crosshair before the deal for the base was stuck.

The agreement between Aquino and Obama was shrouded with secrecy and the country and its politicians were adamantly opposed to this arrangement.

You're making stuff up again or flat out lying. This deal was not shrouded in secrecy and agreed upon in  a short time just a few weeks ago. Filipino and American citizens were notified last year with the Philippines approaching America first about a base. These talks have been in the open from the beginning to the end. Just because YOU were not included in high level meetings between the nations doesn't mean this thing went down in secrecy.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/philippines-to-open-negotiations-with-us-on-expanding-military-presence/2013/08/08/6dd10ef6-0040-11e3-96a8-d3b921c0924a_story.html

[GQBlues]

....
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/philippines-to-open-negotiations-with-us-on-expanding-military-presence/2013/08/08/6dd10ef6-0040-11e3-96a8-d3b921c0924a_story.html

See what I mean? The shallow end of the western media. You'd think you'd learn from your silly stance in this Ukrainian crisis by now. But cloddish that you are, that was expecting way too much.

...You're making stuff up again or flat out lying. This deal was not shrouded in secrecy and agreed upon in  a short time just a few weeks ago. Filipino and American citizens were notified last year with the Philippines approaching America first about a base. These talks have been in the open from the beginning to the end. Just because YOU were not included in high level meetings between the nations doesn't mean this thing went down in secrecy....

http://www.scmp.com/news/asia/article/1498961/unconstitutional-us-philippines-defence-pact-face-legal-challenge

"...The constitutionality of the newly signed pact allowing the US a wider military presence in the Philippines is likely to be challenged in the country's Supreme Court by a group of former senators and other activists who criticised the secrecy of the long-running negotiations....

....The criticism also came from opposition members and some within Philippine President Benigno Aquino's own Liberal Party who said they were not briefed on the pact's contents. On the eve of the US president's visit, former Philippine vice president Teofisto Guingona and former senator Wigberto Tanada signed a joint statement with other religious and civil society leaders criticising the secret negotiations. Fellow former senator Rene Saguisag said: "For weeks now, we have been pleading on bended knees [to be briefed on the draft pact] ... what this administration is doing is procedurally deplorable."




http://filipinotimes.ae/top-news/2014/04/26/us-based-hard-line-outfits-protest-against-obamas-philippine-visit/

"..As Filipinos, we have to be critical of the US agenda in the region. We do not want to be pawns in the US power play in Asia. We do not want to be used for US bases and troops and be a staging ground for US intervention. We do not want the US simply taking advantage of the dispute with China and giving false promises of aid just so the US can justify the return of its bases in the Philippines. And we do not want another free trade agreement that aims to change the Constitution and bleed the economy dry,” said Bayan....""...“By making this an executive agreement not requiring Senate concurrence, the Philippine government has assured that details of the pact will remain a secret until the day it is signed. The people are deliberately being kept in the dark. We are being given assurances only through press conferences by negotiators, but there is really nothing we can scrutinize.”...

Obviously you didn't know but the Philippines' Constitution forbids any foreign military presence in it's borders. Even the amendment of 1999 only allows for *temporary* stays. So, there's no the *Philippines asking for the US to be there* stupidity.

Talk about something else you actually know, BillyB. I realize that would literally mean you'd be silent for durations of time, but man you're idiotic display to pretend you *know* something/anything is absurd.

[JayH]

Some real information that is updated--

U.S. releases satellite images of Russian forces near Ukraine

BRUSSELS (Reuters) - The U.S. government released new satellite pictures on Tuesday which it said showed Russian forces were still near the Ukrainian border in recent days, contradicting Russian assertions they had been withdrawn.

NATO officials have previously estimated Russia has around 40,000 soldiers close to Ukraine's border, exacerbating the worst East-West crisis since the Cold War.

"The reality is that Russia continues to have 40,000 high readiness troops massed on Ukraine's border and another 25,000 troops in Crimea. The units on the latest satellite pictures show mechanized infantry, armored vehicles and combat helicopters," he said in a statement.
http://news.yahoo.com/u-releases-satellite-images-russian-forces-near-ukraine-191329937--sector.html

[lordtiberius]

I agree with BillyB who despite some disagreements from time to time uses fact to substantiate his arguments.

Besides, this ain't about the PI, its Ukraine - a nation, you want destroyed.  Why? Because you hate America.

If you think I am such a blight on society, you know where to find me and how to get a hold of me.  Women of the third gender are such attention whores.

[BillyB]

Obviously you didn't know but the Philippines' Constitution forbids any foreign military presence in it's borders. Even the amendment of 1999 only allows for *temporary* stays. So, there's no the *Philippines asking for the US to be there* stupidity.

In 1999 your government changed the constitution to allow ONLY American troops to stay there temporarily. Out of all the nations in the world, Philippines granted America this honor. Since then, American troops have helped with typhoon disaster relief and pushing back the Muslim militant terrorists in your country. They helped save civilian lives. There is no secrecy to the 10 year agreement. American troops will be rotated in your country so it doesn't violate the Constitution you hold dear.

As Filipinos, we have to be critical of the US agenda in the region.

Unbelievable! Where are your priorities? You recently had China starve your fellow countrymen living on an island, you have China currently invading one of your islands and building an airstrip, you have China claiming the entire China Sea and all its resources which Philippines may be entitled to under international law and you're worrying about American imperialism?


Look, you can go back to the Philippines and run for President on the platform you will stop America from taking over your country. I tried to picture you as President of the Philippines and under a full scale invasion from China, I see you telling America that you will not allow us to violate your constitution and refuse help. Your constitution may not exist in the future but as long as America doesn't violate it, then you're happy.

[lordtiberius]

The PI already has a homosexual for a President. Not sure it wants another. Same for us . . . though he wouldn't need to prove his citizenship given current case law . . .

[GQBlues]

...blah, blah, blah...

You can't blabber away and attempt to hide your silliness BillyB. You know very well I had once again proved how much of a clod you are. You talk as though you know jack when you really only know jackshit.

 

[GQBlues]

The PI already has a homosexual for a President. Not sure it wants another.

Is that another reason why your own family is embarrassed of you, SpongeBob?

[JayH]

You can't blabber away and attempt to hide your silliness BillyB. You know very well I had once again proved how much of a clod you are. You talk as though you know jack when you really only know jackshit.

 

Arhhhh--let's see--- this is coming from a guy that argues the Government of a country is illegitimate and thus it is ok for those that choose to go on a murderous rampage of robbing,looting,killing etc. And then they are entitled to secede--because they say so!!
Pretty clear who is clueless.