Russian Women Discussion
RWD Discussion Groups => Odds and Ends => Topic started by: Trenchcoat on October 26, 2020, 02:13:12 PM
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Ok so I've been thinking a fair bit about this of recent. I know my chances of getting and keeping a girl in the 8-10 looks category are remote, more so the younger she is. Even if I become more wealthy, which may come, I think I would struggle. However, what if I were to strike a deal with a girl (FSW) in the 8-10 looks category.
Let's say I want children by her, now ordinarily a twenty something 8-10 looks girl would probably not be that interested in me or will mess me around. What if though she agrees to marry and gets pregnant by me in Ukraine, we then move to the UK and she gets to not have to work, but instead looks after the kids and I provide for her the fancy clothing she likes, entertainment, holidays abroad, nicer place to live, etc. What are the chances a Ukrainian woman would be agreeable to that?
Thinking here on the basis that a lot of Ukrainian women that go after foreign guys probably have the guy being able to provide as their main requirement. While actually being into him as a box that could either be ticked or not. To my mind I'm thinking that if both parties are upfront enough then it gets to what both sides want without the pretense. She feels positive as she is getting out of Ukraine to a nicer place, being provided for, not having to work, living in better accommodation and gets nice clothes and holidays abroad. How she actually feels for me may vary of course in all of this but it essentially fulfills the set up that many of these FSW go for of what she wants being fulfilled.
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Think some more. What would happen if you made this kind of offer to a woman in the UK?
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Ok so I've been thinking a fair bit about this of recent. I know my chances of getting and keeping a girl in the 8-10 looks category are remote, more so the younger she is. Even if I become more wealthy, which may come, I think I would struggle. However, what if I were to strike a deal with a girl (FSW) in the 8-10 looks category.
Let's say I want children by her, now ordinarily a twenty something 8-10 looks girl would probably not be that interested in me or will mess me around. What if though she agrees to marry and gets pregnant by me in Ukraine, we then move to the UK and she gets to not have to work, but instead looks after the kids and I provide for her the fancy clothing she likes, entertainment, holidays abroad, nicer place to live, etc. What are the chances a Ukrainian woman would be agreeable to that?
Thinking here on the basis that a lot of Ukrainian women that go after foreign guys probably have the guy being able to provide as their main requirement. While actually being into him as a box that could either be ticked or not. To my mind I'm thinking that if both parties are upfront enough then it gets to what both sides want without the pretense. She feels positive as she is getting out of Ukraine to a nicer place, being provided for, not having to work, living in better accommodation and gets nice clothes and holidays abroad. How she actually feels for me may vary of course in all of this but it essentially fulfills the set up that many of these FSW go for of what she wants being fulfilled.
Trench,
Tough love coming. Cyber clue bat is being wielded and aimed for a crack
on your virtual noggin.
You are ignoring every piece of advice given out by every member here.
You don't have the income to be a Sugar Daddy and the type of girl who
is interested in that sort of deal can be a real pit viper. You are asking for
your kidney's to be harvested.
STOP looking for some sort of short cut.
What you need to do is to find a good girl and win her heart. There are
no shortcuts to doing that. That is your ONLY chance to be successful.
You should also figure out how to increase your income by working.
I understand you think that a minor remodel and making more bedrooms
available for rent is going to make you rich but it's not and having
room mates is a serious pain in the butt. What will you do if a room
mate falls on hard times and doesn't pay the rent? Have you looked
into how difficult it is to get them removed?
STOP looking for some sort of short cut. Your idea is contrary to
both reason and common sense; utterly absurd and ridiculous.
:cluebat:
At least you didn't post this on somebodies trip report or a sticky
thread.
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Thinking here on the basis that a lot of Ukrainian women that go after foreign guys probably have the guy being able to provide as their main requirement.
IOW a bunch of gold diggers. Isn't there a poll on this?
Trench, ......You are ignoring every piece of advice given out by every member here.
I was wondering what the problem was.
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Trench you can become an online English tutor , easily earn £20 an hour online ,and live in the FSU . Sell your property , invest in vanguard UK s and p 500. Don't deal with lodgers , you can be a live in landlord , but when they don't pay , they will make a fuss , and you by law cannot touch their stuff . It is a bomb waiting to explode.
I stopped depending on my passive income , and focused on my business . You are focusing way too much on the passive , sell it and invest in s and p and stop playing in your head . You have the tools already to make money , I could help you , but only if you are serious about changing your life
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Trench you can become an online English tutor , easily earn £20 an hour online ,and live in the FSU . Sell your property , invest in vanguard UK s and p 500. Don't deal with lodgers , you can be a live in landlord , but when they don't pay , they will make a fuss , and you by law cannot touch their stuff . It is a bomb waiting to explode.
I stopped depending on my passive income , and focused on my business . You are focusing way too much on the passive , sell it and invest in s and p and stop playing in your head . You have the tools already to make money , I could help you , but only if you are serious about changing your life
Not as I understand it, for Rental Tenants that is true but for Lodgers you can apparently move their stuff outside the house so long as you've given 48 hours notice and don't damage the stuff in doing so. This is down to the property still bring classed as your home, so being your home if a guest left something lying around you could of course remove it. So long as you give 48 hours notice there out the door and that's that, for Rental Tenants though it's a 9 month court eviction process. Hence why I'm going for Lodgers.
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Not as I understand it, for Rental Tenants that is true but for Lodgers you can apparently move their stuff outside the house so long as you've given 48 hours notice and don't damage the stuff in doing so. This is down to the property still bring classed as your home, so being your home if a guest left something lying around you could of course remove it. So long as you give 48 hours notice there out the door and that's that, for Rental Tenants though it's a 9 month court eviction process. Hence why I'm going for Lodgers.
I done this over the years , you run into problematic lodgers . I was constantly threatened by one lodger who wanted to kill me , he was actually crazy , police took him out but he still rang me to tell me he was coming for me many times .
I had a few who were lesson problematic, but you are going to have people in and out , hence why when I return I am selling. One lodger is sub letting and still owes me 4000, luckily I don't need the money , have a business that supports me .
But that is the point , focus on another thing , sell up and stick your money in an index fund . Stop being lazy
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Trench you can become an online English tutor , easily earn £20 an hour online ,and live in the FSU .
People on here tell me I have bad English, they are probably right. I'm not great at all the heavy going Grammar concepts, such a lot of fuss. Then there is bring able to teach well. I would try to put my all into it but I'm not sure if I would come across well or if the students would think we'll of me. I would probably come across as dull or they would probably not enjoy my teaching, etc.
I did do a basic weekend training to teach English to foreigners. I did ok but I think it would probably be a lot of work and I may not be cut out for it. On the official course to train to be a foreign English Teacher I think I would struggle to pass it, probably for those that get off on all the ins & outs of English Grammar, etc.
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I done this over the years , you run into problematic lodgers . I was constantly threatened by one lodger who wanted to kill me , he was actually crazy , police took him out but he still rang me to tell me he was coming for me many times .
I had a few who were lesson problematic, but you are going to have people in and out , hence why when I return I am selling. One lodger is sub letting and still owes me 4000, luckily I don't need the money , have a business that supports me .
But that is the point , focus on another thing , sell up and stick your money in an index fund . Stop being lazy
Well I'm relatively near a Uni, so I can probably get uni students next year. I'm not saying the are perfect but they get grant & loan money from the government so all will have the money plus they need to stay their to do their course so hopefully enough incentive to pay up without too much fuss. I'll give it a try anyway and take it as it goes. Stock market stuff can be risky to have a lot off money in if things take a turn there then money problems could amount.
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Think some more. What would happen if you made this kind of offer to a woman in the UK?
UK women have no relevance in this regard. Western women are brought up stupid, they want guys to be comedians and mind read into all sorts of silly things they couldn't possibly know about. They expect a guy to go and do a silly routine of things they should & shouldn't and if they don't quite do it right then they won't date him, it's just ridiculous.
I would take the practical nature of FSW any day over all that carry on.
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Well I'm relatively near a Uni, so I can probably get uni students next year. I'm not saying the are perfect but they get grant & loan money from the government so all will have the money plus they need to stay their to do their course so hopefully enough incentive to pay up without too much fuss. I'll give it a try anyway and take it as it goes. Stock market stuff can be risky to have a lot off money in if things take a turn there then money problems could amount.
Recently we had the biggest crash in history ,s and p went from 3400 to 2500 now at 3500 after three months , it crashes and rises stronger
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Ok so I've been thinking a fair bit about this of recent. I know my chances of getting and keeping a girl in the 8-10 looks category are remote, more so the younger she is. Even if I become more wealthy, which may come, I think I would struggle. However, what if I were to strike a deal with a girl (FSW) in the 8-10 looks category.
It is sickening to read the above.
You reduce a woman and a possible relationship to a transactional deal. You are not trading pork futures but attempting to build a common future with possible children.
It would be best you get your jollies from the phone booth and move on.
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Trench, if you want to become a sugar daddy or international playboy, you have got to make some money. Have a strong drive and have some achievements and you'll be more attractive to women. More work and less talk!
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Trench, if you want to become a sugar daddy or international playboy, you have got to make some money. Have a strong drive and have some achievements and you'll be more attractive to women. More work and less talk!
Lol, you're right Billy. I've got some stuff happening that might turn good in the near future so it's not just the house or my job that I have going for me. Nothing is certain at the moment on this other stuff so it will probably take some weeks/months if it turns out good. So the above is all taking into account a more wealthier Trench than at present.
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It is sickening to read the above.
You reduce a woman and a possible relationship to a transactional deal. You are not trading pork futures but attempting to build a common future with possible children.
It would be best you get your jollies from the phone booth and move on.
It's that way anyway out there for a lot of those FSW that want to date foreign men. Odds are they don't see the odds are that great of finding one with money AND who they are also into, so they settle for one with money. On my front I'm a guy who is starting to get on in age so I've got to realise where I am at on that with regards to dating and what I want.
It may sound not that romantic by western standards but hey whatever works. Krimster has kind of worked it that way and it worked for him. FSW like stuff blunt and upfront so might as well just have both sides lay their cards on the table from the outset is the way I see it.
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Recently we had the biggest crash in history ,s and p went from 3400 to 2500 now at 3500 after three months , it crashes and rises stronger
True but don't forget the term never catch a falling knife. You only know where it stopped falling with hindsight. It might have went down further or stayed where it was for ages and only gone up slowly, next time. Add to that in normal times it might stay where it is roughly for a long period off time. I'm not saying it's a bad idea but I'm not sure if it's the golden bullet either.
Upon reflection though I see your point, there might be some place for it. Being an index fund you're highly unlikely to lose the lot, that would mean an almost complete economic meltdown. The S&P seems the best as there does seem a consistent trend upwards, the FTSE doesn't seem to have that consistency.
It looks like the thing to do would be to buy when there is another dip then long term hold just selling off once a year periodically but not during a dip to provide an income. So if £100k was invested at the start it could appreciate by £10-15k a year to use as income (roughly working from an average of the last 5 years), so a 10-15 percent yield, that's good compared to bank interest and most property rental as well. I guess keep the a £2-3k in there to cover inflation and all could be good. I would be a little cautious at the moment as there seems to have been quite a growth overall in the past couple of years so if it were me I would wait to see if there is a market correction, especially after all that has been going on.
So buy on a low and hope we don't enter a period where it flattens out for a long period of time. But I guess even if it did there would not have been much loss so probably worth a punt.
Think though if I decided to do this I would probably still hold onto my property just mortgage it as currently no mortgage on it that way I hold onto it just in case it didn't work out so well.
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True but don't forget the term never catch a falling knife. You only know where it stopped falling with hindsight. It might have went down further or stayed where it was for ages and only gone up slowly, next time. Add to that in normal times it might stay where it is roughly for a long period off time. I'm not saying it's a bad idea but I'm not sure if it's the golden bullet either.
Cannot predict the market, bst way to beat the market is to get into the market, and spend a long time in the market, as time goes on, the probability of having less than you had at the start decreases , reworded from Buffet.
Upon reflection though I see your point, there might be some place for it. Being an index fund you're highly unlikely to lose the lot, that would mean an almost complete economic meltdown. The S&P seems the best as there does seem a consistent trend upwards, the FTSE doesn't seem to have that consistency.
For me, i want to go maybe 40% s and p 500, but you never know with america, so rest of the 60% would go on a world index funds. I don't care about dividends etc, as i don't play living off what i earn from this. If you are scared of risks, Bonds are good for those who are. I just plan on selling my house, invest it in index funds, not touch the money, reinvest all my savings each year in tax free ISA accounts for Index funds. Time i hit retirement age of maybe 60, it would be three decades, a lot of increase in that time, the dips would mean very little during that period to me.
So if £100k was invested at the start it could appreciate by £10-15k a year to use as income (roughly working from an average of the last 5 years), so a 10-15 percent yield, that's good compared to bank interest and most property rental as well. I guess keep the a £2-3k in there to cover inflation and all could be good.
Lucky to get even 8% per year in a 10 year span.You focus way too much on relying on your house, thinking it will solve all your problems, why care what people on here say? They said a lot of shit to me 5 years ago, didn't mean much now. You can become good at English, you can tutor kids in china and make £20 an hour, live in FSU, and be fairly well off.
Focus on building your skills, even in my business, i just focus on improving my skills, if i lost it all today, i have business skills to get another jo, as well as other skills to get a job in my sector. I could focus more on the financial side, but it would mean i would lose my skills, which i value more, as well as helping as many people as i can. I had a job offer in Moscow for i think around 3000-4000 euros a month , they saw my business, and wanted me to work there for them. Only because i focused building my skills, and still do, i want to always become better, and irreplaceable (everyone is, but goal is to become close to that)
You are in a trap of relying on your house, and it makes you afraid on doing anything outside your comfort zone. You need to change your mentality , and be willing to work hard for little gain. Only then will you be able to make moves.
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True but don't forget the term never catch a falling knife. You only know where it stopped falling with hindsight. It might have went down further or stayed where it was for ages and only gone up slowly, next time.
If you decided to sell your house, and to put it in the stock market you
put the money into a Money Market account and then dollar cost average
the money into a noload mutual fund over a period on 12 months, that
way you aren't exposed by any unpredictable bad timing.
I know you aren't going to do it, but if you were that's the way to do it.
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UK women have no relevance in this regard. Western women are brought up stupid, they want guys to be comedians and mind read into all sorts of silly things they couldn't possibly know about. They expect a guy to go and do a silly routine of things they should & shouldn't and if they don't quite do it right then they won't date him, it's just ridiculous.
I would take the practical nature of FSW any day over all that carry on.
Women are basically the same the world over and what differences there are fade over time. What stays the same are their individual personality traits. The main benefit of searching in the FSU is that you have a wider selection pool.
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So if £100k was invested at the start it could appreciate by £10-15k a year to use as income (roughly working from an average of the last 5 years), so a 10-15 percent yield, that's good compared to bank interest and most property rental as well. I guess keep the a £2-3k in there to cover inflation and all could be good.
Based on your astute investment tips you should be a multi millionaire by now.
Oh, wait. I forgot. You don’t even earn minimum wages.
So buy on a low and hope we don't enter a period where it flattens out for a long period of time. But I guess even if it did there would not have been much loss so probably worth a punt.
From The Trench School of Investment!!!
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Cannot predict the market, bst way to beat the market is to get into the market, and spend a
long time in the market, as time goes on, the probability of having less than you had at the
start decreases , reworded from Buffet.
Trench has a house handed down to him and it allows him to live with a super low income
from his part time job. Full time work leaves him knackered and he isn't going to sell it
unless he marries a FSUW and is forced to do it in Divorce court (his 2nd deepest fear).
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Trench has a house handed down to him and it allows him to live with a super low income
from his part time job. Full time work leaves him knackered and he isn't going to sell it
unless he marries a FSUW and is forced to do it in Divorce court (his 2nd deepest fear).
It wasn't handed down to me, I bought it. In the UK owning your own home is a big deal right now. Many people can't afford to and are left stuck renting for years, some permanently forever. So yes I have to take any threat of losing it seriously. In the UK if a woman has a child with you she can take the lot, house, children, saving, large chunk of income each month. That leaves the guy cast out from his own family to which she may even deny access. If she deny's access while you may take her to court to gain access if she still refuses there is little the court will do, they are unlikely to Imprison her as that is seen to negatively affect the children. Hence the guy is screwed, much the same in parts of the US I hear.
The job situation I have explained before with regard to tax and doing up my house. Japs says forget it and move on to something else, foreign language teaching or whatever. Thing is I can't just drop it as selling it before complete would hammer the sale price, plus it's only a few months before being complete now. Most of these months will be winter months and with the virus hanging around it not a bad use of my time. I'm starting an online business at the moment also but that will take a bit of time to set up and of course no guarantees on that one.
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Women are basically the same the world over and what differences there are fade over time. What stays the same are their individual personality traits. The main benefit of searching in the FSU is that you have a wider selection pool.
I think you are right in there being some constances. Women the world over are impressed by guys with money, muscles, personality, etc. I would say however that the dating game varies on top of this, feminism has changed it a lot in the west with females working a guy often has to max out in one of the above to avoid a hard time of it. Women in the west will go for a rich guy but often deceit comes in with pretense that she has gone with him for some other reason, he's a nice guy or whatever so that both may save face. In the FSU there is less of that, it may not be referenced much but the reason they are together is often more apparent.
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If you decided to sell your house, and to put it in the stock market you
put the money into a Money Market account and then dollar cost average
the money into a noload mutual fund over a period on 12 months, that
way you aren't exposed by any unpredictable bad timing.
I know you aren't going to do it, but if you were that's the way to do it.
Thanks Bill :) I know you yanks certainly know your finance. I may put in a tenner just to prove you wrong, lol.
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I think you would benefit from watching and listening to Jordan Peterson. I found him later in life , but a lot of what he says is lessons I learnt along the way . His approach to life is something you need , and when you listen to him , do as he says , don't listen to yourself . Obviously what you are doing now doesn't work , you are digging yourself into a hole , you won't be a multimillionaire when adding an extra room to your house , you will run through problems when renting , these are all facts you need to accept. The only skill you have is learn how to teach English , now go and just do it , work for dirt cheap, book yourself out for 8 hoursa a day , 7 days a week ,=and get yourself in the FSU . If you charge £15 an hour , working 50 hours a week around , would get you around £3000 a month , some extra money with your investment, done . You are now a BIG BOY in fsu . But question is if you really want it , or you are just going to play games
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I think you would benefit from watching and listening to Jordan Peterson. I found him later in life , but a lot of what he says is lessons I learnt along the way . His approach to life is something you need , and when you listen to him , do as he says , don't listen to yourself . Obviously what you are doing now doesn't work , you are digging yourself into a hole , you won't be a multimillionaire when adding an extra room to your house , you will run through problems when renting , these are all facts you need to accept. The only skill you have is learn how to teach English , now go and just do it , work for dirt cheap, book yourself out for 8 hoursa a day , 7 days a week ,=and get yourself in the FSU . If you charge £15 an hour , working 50 hours a week around , would get you around £3000 a month , some extra money with your investment, done . You are now a BIG BOY in fsu . But question is if you really want it , or you are just going to play games
Reminds me of the lyrics to the Pet Shop Boys song 'Opportunities'.
That money would make me a big boy in the FSU and it's undoubtedly guys that bring in the money and are seen to work hard that is a draw for FSW. On the other hand being seen to be able to swan around but still live well could draw interest in the FSU also.
For me, if I have a plan and I believe in it I stick to it till completion. For me £3000 (minus tax) a month won't make me a millionaire either. While it will bring in good money probably at some point there is a big change of pace here that would likely be counterproductive to shift too at the moment. At the moment I'm content with the current plan I'm on. The teaching English as a foreign language could collapse overnight - too many people getting involved in it, shift back to classroom learning if a vaccine works, etc, etc. Right now having a stable job going for me I would rather go with until I've got something better sorted.
Jordan Peterson I have looked at in You Tube. Some of his stuff is good and some we have discussed like people being deceitful to try and keep the person inside rather than tell them what they should be hearing. I don't buy all of what he is saying though, I think like a lot of psychologists he falls into the trap of theorising too much and that theorising can often be his own take on reality. Probably better off to tune into my theories ;D
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Anyway, back to my original question, do members here think that some FSU would be up to doing a deal?
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Anyway, back to my original question, do members here think that some FSU would be up to doing a deal?
Use a search engine like Google. Use search terms "Escorts" "GFE" and the city you
want to visit in Eastern Europe. You can also search for sex dolls and see what comes
up.
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Use a search engine like Google. Use search terms "Escorts" "GFE" and the city you
want to visit in Eastern Europe. You can also search for sex dolls and see what comes
up.
All TC needs to do is get down to the local telly booth and grab some flyers. Local, cheaper and speaks English. All things that our hero values.
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Anyway, back to my original question, do members here think that some FSU would be up to doing a deal?
There are some FSU women that will do deals. Make a proposal. Whether the deal lasts 5 years or 5 minutes depends on how much you can offer.
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Anyway, back to my original question, do members here think that some FSU would be up to doing a deal?
FSU women don't want a 'deal' they want a man they can love and be happy with. It's that simple. If you can't do this the legit way then stay home.
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Without trench , myself , is there actually many others posting regarding Russian women? I mean , trench is asking a question, a question maybe many men have thought about , when they struggle with getting what they want in FSU .
Trench, my experience is that I told all FSU women I met I would not marry them (legally) , unless I had a kid with them , all accepted it. My fiance and I were planning to have a kid once I moved to Moscow , which worried her family as she was too young , but she really wanted it also (reading a lot of books , later her mother told me the same thing regarding the books) . But it wasn't for a while till she truly trusted me as a person, I think they need trust and want to spend your life with you , a kid is a big commitment.
Despite what most thing , no woman is going to have a kid , just for a visa (actually most of the women I been with , fiance included wanted me to stay in FSU. my fiance was scared of the western mentality , social justice warriors etc.
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Without trench , myself , is there actually many others posting regarding Russian women?
Good question. Many that have stuck around have been married quite some time, but questions from new members about this venture are few and far between. Interest dwindled a while back, long before the virus crisis. IIRÇ FSU meeting agencies were on a long downhill slide as well.
I believe the abundance of apps like tinder, Facebook, Vk, etc makes it easier to meet a woman down the street. Or maybe the abundance of free porn keeps folks otherwise 'busy'.
A brave new world for the youngins. Many in the group of those still interested may have simply 'aged out'. Interest in marriage has dwindled as well, in favor of dating and other long or shorter-term relationships.
I like your 'just go and do it' approach. After all, getting off the couch and on a plane was always 90% of the challenge ;)
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I like your 'just go and do it' approach. After all, getting off the couch and on a plane was always 90% of the challenge ;)
I have taken a lot of risks, one of them was coming to FSU when my business was just starting to grow, but i believed if i put myself in a good environment (surrounded by beautiful women in FSU), my desire to not let it slip through my hands, would encourage me to work harder. I really learnt a lot being in the FSU for last 7 months, but i have taken trips over the years. FSU for me has been a big part of my development as a person, that is why i encourage anyone thinking about venturing here, to do it, you may not find the love of your life, but you will have experiences that you would cherish for the rest of your life, and it will change you to become a better person (hopefully).
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There are some FSU women that will do deals. Make a proposal. Whether the deal lasts 5 years or 5 minutes depends on how much you can offer.
Think your answer on this is pretty good Billy. Yeah I doubt it would last or go well particularly once in the West. I think it may hold up better in the FSU but there are likely fewer better alternatives for the woman out there. This country though she would see what else is around and walk.
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Without trench , myself , is there actually many others posting regarding Russian women? I mean , trench is asking a question, a question maybe many men have thought about , when they struggle with getting what they want in FSU .
Trench, my experience is that I told all FSU women I met I would not marry them (legally) , unless I had a kid with them , all accepted it. My fiance and I were planning to have a kid once I moved to Moscow , which worried her family as she was too young , but she really wanted it also (reading a lot of books , later her mother told me the same thing regarding the books) . But it wasn't for a while till she truly trusted me as a person, I think they need trust and want to spend your life with you , a kid is a big commitment.
Despite what most thing , no woman is going to have a kid , just for a visa (actually most of the women I been with , fiance included wanted me to stay in FSU. my fiance was scared of the western mentality , social justice warriors etc.
Yeah think your fiance was right to be scared of western culture, it ruins relationships for both men and women even if the women thinks she has won/got the better of the man.
I think you are being clever in asking the girl to have a kid first/alongside marriage. It's a pretty shrewd move as unless the girl is genuinely committed to the guy she ain't likely to do it. It also shows both sides are committed and not just talking a load of bs.
Striking a deal even if it's not if such absolute terms as being the sole and only basis of a relationship is something to be careful about I think. The famous case of a guy striking a deal with a woman and it not ending well is of course the Indel King case as shown on 'Web of Lies, episode 7' on Amazon Prime. That guy did what I was proposing but muffed it up. He should have insisted on her getting pregnant before she came to the US. Can't believe he sent a pretty girl like that to college from the get go, that was just asking for trouble, surprised some young college dude didn't hook up with her, lol.
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I think you are being clever in asking the girl to have a kid first/alongside marriage. It's a pretty shrewd move as unless the girl is genuinely committed to the guy she ain't likely to do it. It also shows both sides are committed and not just talking a load of bs.
The words of men who have never raised a child, nor know what is involved.
I happen to know of at least two FSUW here who had children once they arrived in Canada, just to secure maintenance (in Canada at the time, once the woman landed here, she was resident, and could not be deported, even if the marriage was fraudulent on her part). In each case, once the child was born, the man was discarded. In both cases, the FSUW were shocked that the men, by law, had equal rights to child access. There is also at least one former poster here whose Ukrainian wife took their child to Ukraine and refused to return. If she moved to Russia, the husband's ability to access the child would be non existent. There are many other posters here through the years who had children with FSUW, in a number of cases, more than one child, yet still divorced. There's your "commitment" Trench.
Refusing to marry before a child is born is just plain stupid. Bringing a child into a relationship to assuage your own insecurities is even stupider. You should really know a person well before committing to having children. It's also no guarantee of anything, and children add stresses to a marriage.
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I think you are being clever in asking the girl to have a kid first/alongside marriage. It's a pretty shrewd move as unless the girl is genuinely committed to the guy she ain't likely to do it. It also shows both sides are committed and not just talking a load of bs.
A lot of people are a bit confused, they think current FSU is still soviet FSU. Different era , i will explain. I was roasted by one woman on tinder who called me poor, because i didn't have an IPhone X, a lot of people now have Iphones, they are not as broke as they used to be. I gave my ex fiancé around $1000, savings towards our wedding , stuff so she can spend it, she didn't spend any, she used her mothers money, my ex fiance also had her own apartment gifted to her (Worth maybe $70k), when graduated, she would make a decent salary in Moscow.
People are not that hungry, does money matter? Of course, but it is different from the days where a 20 year old beauty, goes with Bob, where Bob has a $700k medium sized house in America, makes a decent salary. If you want to pull off the same stunt, you need to have a lot more money (i actually know one lady who married few years back), she is maybe 30ish, her husband is maybe 50, but multimillionaire, big house, lambo, has it all. So yes, if you want a decent looking 30 year old, might need more than just a decent salary.
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Yeah think your fiance was right to be scared of western culture, it ruins relationships for both men and women even if the women thinks she has won/got the better of the man.
We both agree on certain things, transgender rights, LGBTQ, women rights, but the west is different, now it is way beyond that, identity politics. Hate all white men etc, just stupid stuff, communism on the rise, lazy people.
I wanted us to live in the West, or FSU, i didn't mind, but in the end she hated the West, she saw my facebook, and then said she didn't know if she wanted to live there, as our kids would probably be brainwashed.
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Ok so I've been thinking a fair bit about this of recent. I know my chances of getting and keeping a girl in the 8-10 looks category are remote, more so the younger she is. Even if I become more wealthy, which may come, I think I would struggle. However, what if I were to strike a deal with a girl (FSW) in the 8-10 looks category.
Let's say I want children by her, now ordinarily a twenty something 8-10 looks girl would probably not be that interested in me or will mess me around. What if though she agrees to marry and gets pregnant by me in Ukraine, we then move to the UK and she gets to not have to work, but instead looks after the kids and I provide for her the fancy clothing she likes, entertainment, holidays abroad, nicer place to live, etc. What are the chances a Ukrainian woman would be agreeable to that?
Thinking here on the basis that a lot of Ukrainian women that go after foreign guys probably have the guy being able to provide as their main requirement. While actually being into him as a box that could either be ticked or not. To my mind I'm thinking that if both parties are upfront enough then it gets to what both sides want without the pretense. She feels positive as she is getting out of Ukraine to a nicer place, being provided for, not having to work, living in better accommodation and gets nice clothes and holidays abroad. How she actually feels for me may vary of course in all of this but it essentially fulfills the set up that many of these FSW go for of what she wants being fulfilled.
Did you win the lottery? Otherwise on the salary you have mentioned you're dreaming.
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It is sickening to read the above.
You reduce a woman and a possible relationship to a transactional deal. You are not trading pork futures but attempting to build a common future with possible children.
It would be best you get your jollies from the phone booth and move on.
I can find some jollies in a phone booth?
Just exactly how does that work?
There are very few of those left anywhere and they no longer work either.
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Speaking of having a kid. I suggest you guys get a high-strung dog like a German Shepherd. Get it as a puppy at 8 weeks. The next few years you are in for a ride. If you can handle a GSD for 4 or 5 years then think about having a human.
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A lot of people are a bit confused, they think current FSU is still soviet FSU. Different era , i will explain. I was roasted by one woman on tinder who called me poor, because i didn't have an IPhone X, a lot of people now have Iphones, they are not as broke as they used to be. I gave my ex fiancé around $1000, savings towards our wedding , stuff so she can spend it, she didn't spend any, she used her mothers money, my ex fiance also had her own apartment gifted to her (Worth maybe $70k), when graduated, she would make a decent salary in Moscow.
People are not that hungry, does money matter? Of course, but it is different from the days where a 20 year old beauty, goes with Bob, where Bob has a $700k medium sized house in America, makes a decent salary. If you want to pull off the same stunt, you need to have a lot more money (i actually know one lady who married few years back), she is maybe 30ish, her husband is maybe 50, but multimillionaire, big house, lambo, has it all. So yes, if you want a decent looking 30 year old, might need more than just a decent salary.
Nobody is suggesting the current situation is exactly as it was in Soviet times. However, the past makes us who we are, and the woman's attitude re your "poverty" is very much a Soviet attitude.
If you go to Western Ukraine, you will see babas gathering driftwood near the rivers. They can't afford heating costs. so they heat their homes with driftwood. Whole villages in Western Ukraine have no electricity - cut by suppliers, as they don't have the money to pay for electricity. A lot of those women also need painkillers such as Advil or Tylenol. They go to a pharmacy and buy 1 or 2 pills, as that is all they can afford. And you're discussing "wealth"??
I know a UW here who married a Canadian. Her children and grandchildren have the latest phones, tablets, and clothing, because she sends them these things from here, or they send her a link with what they want, and she buys it online for them. Her granddaughter certainly couldn't afford it on the last salary offer she received at a shoe store - US$1 per day. Sending money, or goods back to relatives is extremely common in Ukraine. Zarobitchane, or workers abroad, at any given time, comprise 25% of Ukraine's economically active workforce. They work legally in some countries, illegally in others. All are sending money "home". PPP in Ukraine is below that of such economic powerhouses as Albania, Armenia, Moldova, and Botswana. I am not suggesting that all Ukrainians are poor, and PPP doesn't take into account the grey economy. However, to suggest the country is not struggling is absolutely inaccurate, despite a growing middle class. If things were as rosy as you suggest, people wouldn't be working abroad. You also have to take into account that, as a Westerner, the people you are exposed to are not those at the bottom rungs of society. You probably aren't hanging out with babas on fixed incomes, or people with no education, or people with no English language skills. You aren't routinely learning about the country from waitresses or agrarian workers.
I don't even want to get into criminality. Did you know, for example, that Kyiv is divided into sectors by criminal gangs, who control activity (shakedowns, drugs, as examples) in their sphere of control?
As for Bob, it isn't the economy that made a difference. There are many factors. First, there is more knowledge about the West, and many women don't desire a future in the West. Second, educated Ukrainians have the ability to move abroad on their own. If they have Polish, Hungarian, Czech, or Romanian ancestry (very common in Western Ukraine), they can get passports from those countries, giving them instant access to the EU. Germany passed legislation right before COVID that opened access for skilled workers from Ukraine. If Ukrainians are educated, there are many paths to work in the West, either temporarily or permanently. 70,000 Ukrainians emigrate of their own accord to Canada annually. I assume that number is higher for Ukrainians to the US. So, if Svetlana really wants to move to the West and is intelligent, she can do so without Bob.
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Speaking of having a kid. I suggest you guys get a high-strung dog like a German Shepherd. Get it as a puppy at 8 weeks. The next few years you are in for a ride. If you can handle a GSD for 4 or 5 years then think about having a human.
HAHA. Yeah, well, in most cases, a child is toilet trained by 2 or 3, and can speak, and has their own ideas of how things should be "run" in the house by age 3 or 4.
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The words of men who have never raised a child, nor know what is involved.
I happen to know of at least two FSUW here who had children once they arrived in Canada, just to secure maintenance (in Canada at the time, once the woman landed here, she was resident, and could not be deported, even if the marriage was fraudulent on her part). In each case, once the child was born, the man was discarded. In both cases, the FSUW were shocked that the men, by law, had equal rights to child access. There is also at least one former poster here whose Ukrainian wife took their child to Ukraine and refused to return. If she moved to Russia, the husband's ability to access the child would be non existent. There are many other posters here through the years who had children with FSUW, in a number of cases, more than one child, yet still divorced. There's your "commitment" Trench.
Refusing to marry before a child is born is just plain stupid. Bringing a child into a relationship to assuage your own insecurities is even stupider. You should really know a person well before committing to having children. It's also no guarantee of anything, and children add stresses to a marriage.
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You make some good points Boe, the UK is a little different from Canada in that it's only equal access on the outset, if the female takes it family court then she gets full custody and a property (if one is owned) plus child maintenance payments. Even then any access the man may be granted she may later deny to or frustrate it. There's little the courts can do on that. So that would be even worse. The man would be even worse in the scenario Japs proposed to with his ex. So it would have to be a case of the man staying in the FSU where divorce/family rights for the man are stronger. For me at this juncture I can't commit to living in the FSU so I can't go down that path. If I did and brought her back to the west it would be like putting my nuts on the chopping block as she could take me for a lot. Though that would be much the same as getting with a FSW bringing her (marriage) to the UK and having a kid later. Only plus is that I would have longed to get to know her and if I divorce before five years of marriage theoretically (apparently) I would keep what I had before marriage though to be honest I don't trust that at all.
To be honest if I'm going to have kids to be fair to them I don't have a lot of time to while away on long periods of finding out if I get on with a woman to finality. Seeing as there is not a great amount of money they can claim from the state in the FSU I'm guessing that many would not do that only if desperate and probably the less poor women. I'm not saying it's the best idea in terms of getting with a woman to live in the west with but it's a still a possible option. If I had two cheap houses and was able to wangle access through not peeing off then it might not be the worst option going.
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Beo, i did mention a few times, that pensioner have it hard here. Regarding Polish roots, you are correct, my recent ex has polish , and wants to go there, but she isn't over enthusiastic leaving her family. Hence why i said not everyone wants to leave their family and friends, and appreciate i am open to the idea relocating (I am not exactly making $300 a month).
You probably aren't hanging out with babas on fixed incomes, or people with no education, or people with no English language skills. You aren't routinely learning about the country from waitresses or agrarian workers.
I dated someone who worked in a store, each time someone stole something, she was charged, some days she would come home crying, because she literally lost her whole wage, and owed money. It was painful to watch, she didn't speak english , before anyone asks, the relationship works, i am charismatic enough to not allow a language barrier to bother me (make jokes).
So, if Svetlana really wants to move to the West and is intelligent, she can do so without Bob.
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Yes, the game has changed, maybe why it puts off some men, they think they can get a model, with just a passport (Such as trench, no disrespect trench, but if you want to pull this off you need a lot)
I am not shocked about the gangs part, but isn't that the same with a lot of places? I know someone trying to open a Bar in Moscow, people said you need protection money. Doing business here is a headache.
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Trench...... Just don't get married, stop wasting time in the UK , playing renovations. What are you bringing a family back to? A room share with universit students in the other rooms, taking turns on who will use the shower? Seriously stop deluding yourself, get your ass in motion, and move on FSU, find some income, and get hustling.
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I can find some jollies in a phone booth?
Just exactly how does that work?
There are very few of those left anywhere and they no longer work either.
This is a somewhat UK thing, the phone booths are/were adorned with cards from sex workers. A bit like the red light districts in various cities in The Netherlands.
Perhaps a poster from UK can post some images to help the hopeless.
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HAHA. Yeah, well, in most cases, a child is toilet trained by 2 or 3, and can speak, and has their own ideas of how things should be "run" in the house by age 3 or 4.
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There is a lot of truth in Confederate's post and the reply of Boethuis.
I would note with children young adults, at the age of 11 they know how to do everything better than adults. Further they are not shy about telling one this.
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Nobody is suggesting the current situation is exactly as it was in Soviet times. However, the past makes us who we are, and the woman's attitude re your "poverty" is very much a Soviet attitude.
If you go to Western Ukraine, you will see babas gathering driftwood near the rivers. They can't afford heating costs. so they heat their homes with driftwood. Whole villages in Western Ukraine have no electricity - cut by suppliers, as they don't have the money to pay for electricity. A lot of those women also need painkillers such as Advil or Tylenol. They go to a pharmacy and buy 1 or 2 pills, as that is all they can afford. And you're discussing "wealth"??
I know a UW here who married a Canadian. Her children and grandchildren have the latest phones, tablets, and clothing, because she sends them these things from here, or they send her a link with what they want, and she buys it online for them. Her granddaughter certainly couldn't afford it on the last salary offer she received at a shoe store - US$1 per day. Sending money, or goods back to relatives is extremely common in Ukraine. Zarobitchane, or workers abroad, at any given time, comprise 25% of Ukraine's economically active workforce. They work legally in some countries, illegally in others. All are sending money "home". PPP in Ukraine is below that of such economic powerhouses as Albania, Armenia, Moldova, and Botswana. I am not suggesting that all Ukrainians are poor, and PPP doesn't take into account the grey economy. However, to suggest the country is not struggling is absolutely inaccurate, despite a growing middle class. If things were as rosy as you suggest, people wouldn't be working abroad. You also have to take into account that, as a Westerner, the people you are exposed to are not those at the bottom rungs of society. You probably aren't hanging out with babas on fixed incomes, or people with no education, or people with no English language skills. You aren't routinely learning about the country from waitresses or agrarian workers.
I don't even want to get into criminality. Did you know, for example, that Kyiv is divided into sectors by criminal gangs, who control activity (shakedowns, drugs, as examples) in their sphere of control?
As for Bob, it isn't the economy that made a difference. There are many factors. First, there is more knowledge about the West, and many women don't desire a future in the West. Second, educated Ukrainians have the ability to move abroad on their own. If they have Polish, Hungarian, Czech, or Romanian ancestry (very common in Western Ukraine), they can get passports from those countries, giving them instant access to the EU. Germany passed legislation right before COVID that opened access for skilled workers from Ukraine. If Ukrainians are educated, there are many paths to work in the West, either temporarily or permanently. 70,000 Ukrainians emigrate of their own accord to Canada annually. I assume that number is higher for Ukrainians to the US. So, if Svetlana really wants to move to the West and is intelligent, she can do so without Bob.
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Indeed, and not just the EU states you mention but also the Baltic States, Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia. Now they are EU states it means that many people have family connections from Russia or used to live there, are Russians, etc. It means many Russians can visit the Baltic States, or previously lived there or marry someone there. Hence with citizenship from the Baltic States they get EU citizen status and hence can move to live in the UK and gain citizenship here.
Thus we can see that nearly the whole of the Eastern European EU border is literally open floodgate through which many, many, many, Russians and Ukrainians can pour through the Eastern European EU states and onto the UK.
That as you can imagine is not a situation that the UK can go on tolerating. Hence why we voted to leave the EU. After the 31st December this year the transition period with the EU ends and thank god we will finally get to close our open floodgates which leaves them the rest of the EU, probably western EU to pour into. Naturally that is unlikely a situation other western European nations people's will happily tolerate for long. Once they get a proper taste of what the UK have been getting they will be saying au revoir to the EU too.
Hence I have come into contact with some Russians in the UK, they are not bad people but too many reduces the jobs and opportunities for the native population. That and it potentially long term screws up the situation of hot girls looking for western men for a better life.
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HAHA. Yeah, well, in most cases, a child is toilet trained by 2 or 3, and can speak, and has their own ideas of how things should be "run" in the house by age 3 or 4.
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Yes but most two year olds won't chew up your Italian loafers, any computer or charging cables laying around and they're not strong enough to pull you down a stairwell. If they do have an accident it's inside of the Pampers and not on the floor.
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For some reason, I can not capture the qoute of Boethuis, but it is in fact not so important with this/my reply.
Indeed, and not just the EU states you mention but also the Baltic States, Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia. Now they are EU states it means that many people have family connections from Russia or used to live there, are Russians, etc. It means many Russians can visit the Baltic States, or previously lived there or marry someone there. Hence with citizenship from the Baltic States they get EU citizen status and hence can move to live in the UK and gain citizenship here.
Thus we can see that nearly the whole of the Eastern European EU border is literally open floodgate through which many, many, many, Russians and Ukrainians can pour through the Eastern European EU states and onto the UK.
That as you can imagine is not a situation that the UK can go on tolerating. Hence why we voted to leave the EU. After the 31st December this year the transition period with the EU ends and thank god we will finally get to close our open floodgates which leaves them the rest of the EU, probably western EU to pour into. Naturally that is unlikely a situation other western European nations people's will happily tolerate for long. Once they get a proper taste of what the UK have been getting they will be saying au revoir to the EU too.
Hence I have come into contact with some Russians in the UK, they are not bad people but too many reduces the jobs and opportunities for the native population. That and it potentially long term screws up the situation of hot girls looking for western men for a better life.
Trenchcoat, I have a respect for your determination. As well as your ability to post on irregardless of the advice and observations made for your benefit.
To me the above just confirms your bigoted and rather racist views. It is a guess that ms will object from a different perspective but it shows to me how much of an abuser you are to women who you view are seeking a better life. I have put in bold your text that sums up your ugly 'vision'.
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Speaking of having a kid. I suggest you guys get a high-strung dog like a German Shepherd. Get it as a puppy at 8 weeks. The next few years you are in for a ride. If you can handle a GSD for 4 or 5 years then think about having a human.
A dog can be taught fairly quickly. Humans grow at a slower pace so one has to put up with crap longer. If the mind of a 2 yo was in every adult body, the world would be a very dangerous place.
Toddler's Rules which some FSU women adhere to today. #10 proves they aren't entirely selfish.
1. If I like it, it's mine.
2. If it's in my hand, it's mine.
3. If I can take it from you, it's mine.
4. If I had it a little while ago, it's mine.
5. If it's mine, it must NEVER appear to be yours in anyway.
6. If I'm doing or building something, all the pieces are mine.
7. If it looks just like mine, it is mine.
8. If I saw it first, it's mine.
9. If you are playing with something and you put it down, it automatically becomes mine.
10. If it's broken, it's yours.
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For some reason, I can not capture the qoute of Boethuis, but it is in fact not so important with this/my reply.
Trenchcoat, I have a respect for your determination. As well as your ability to post on irregardless of the advice and observations made for your benefit.
To me the above just confirms your bigoted and rather racist views. It is a guess that ms will object from a different perspective but it shows to me how much of an abuser you are to women who you view are seeking a better life. I have put in bold your text that sums up your ugly 'vision'.
I thought what he wrote was funny.
Either way dating and marriage are now international.
I doubt if any woman Trench or someone like him marries will be at a disadvantage when they come to the west.
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I thought what he wrote was funny.
Either way dating and marriage are now international.
I doubt if any woman Trench or someone like him marries will be at a disadvantage when they come to the west.
Many people have returned to FSU, when they realise the quality of lifestyle was better in the west, same with the culture
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Many people have returned to FSU, when they realise the quality of lifestyle was better THAN in the west, same with the culture
FTFY.
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Trench...... Just don't get married, stop wasting time in the UK , playing renovations. What are you bringing a family back to? A room share with universit students in the other rooms, taking turns on who will use the shower? Seriously stop deluding yourself, get your ass in motion, and move on FSU, find some income, and get hustling.
Lol, yeah I kind of been having that picture enter my head from time to time. For sure the house in the UK was only ever really intended for rent, though I guess if I kicked the uni students out once back in the UK it could make an ok family home. Living a life out in the FSU has its big attractions. I personally would probably settle in Ukraine as it has a kind of breezy feeling that I like there. It's also pro western so less issues and more convenient. Minsk in Belarus I like because the city is more about architecture, one of my areas of interest than Opera & Ballet like many cities in Ukraine are, particularly Kiev. To tell you the truth though I couldn't leave my Mother on her own. She isn't one who mixes well with others and I fear she would suffer too much loneliness. I care about her and after all the years of effort she made bringing me up I can't turn my back on her.
I can do long stays out in the FSU but at the moment I wouldn't be able to live there. A shame as dating out there is like being in paradise. I think I can make it work another way, it wouldn't be perfect but then often few things are.
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Don't pursue this any further , maybe have some fun, but you are not ready to be married. I know it sounds harsh , but if you really want it , you will be to change your whole life. You are not willing to do so , so please don't marry anyone, you will end up losing your home , and I don't want you to be homeless .
Marriage isnt where happiness is at , so don't make it your goal , many people (majority) are in unhappy marriages . Some end up homeless for that pursuit . Go do some volunteering work , help some people , try find joy in that . Leave the marriage stuff alone for now , until you are willing to rework your life and accept help.
I am in Ukraine , if you choose to meetup , myself and my brother would gladly help you sort yourself out somehow. But get the marriage stuff out of your head for now
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Trenchcoat, I have a respect for your determination. As well as
your ability to post on regardless of the advice and observations made for your benefit.
To me the above just confirms your bigoted and rather racist views. It is a guess that
ms will object from a different perspective but it shows to me how much of an abuser
you are to women who you view are seeking a better life.
I think the odds of Trench finding a good girl from the FSU who will put up with
him using the tactics and theories he posts about here are only slightly better
than hitting 18 consecutive hole in one shots during a round of golf.
So, why do I give Trench advice? I respond to his posts so that the newbies
and lurkers who read these threads can read a reasonable response from an
experienced member who eventually found success himself.
The newbies also might look at Trench and think to themselves,
"He went to the FSU??? !!! ?? I would look like a genius by comparison!!"
I remember reading Trip reports when I was a noob. I kept thinking that
if those guys could do it, then I could do it for sure!!
We have kinder and gentler rules for moderation these days so I am trying
not to say many of the things that pop into my mind, to give the mods a
break and to lead by example.
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I think the odds of Trench finding a good girl from the FSU who will put up with
him using the tactics and theories he posts about here are only slightly better
than hitting 18 consecutive hole in one shots during a round of golf.
So, why do I give Trench advice? I respond to his posts so that the newbies
and lurkers who read these threads can read a reasonable response from an
experienced member who eventually found success himself.
The newbies also might look at Trench and think to themselves,
"He went to the FSU??? !!! ?? I would look like a genius by comparison!!"
I remember reading Trip reports when I was a noob. I kept thinking that
if those guys could do it, then I could do it for sure!!
We have kinder and gentler rules for moderation these days so I am trying
not to say many of the things that pop into my mind, to give the mods a
break and to lead by example.
A noble endeavor indeed. I too once engaged Trench for awhile with the idea and concept that if you throw enough pooh on the wall, something is bound to stick. If there was any noob that needed some basic structure and guidance it was him. The chap would engage as if he was truly interested in gathering some info for the journey but alas, time and time again like many we've encountered over the years his thought process would/could not change and he just wants validation for the process he started with. The guy seems relatively intelligent but his ideas on FSUW are really "out there"
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A noble endeavor indeed. I too once engaged Trench for awhile with the idea and concept that if you throw enough pooh on the wall, something is bound to stick. If there was any noob that needed some basic structure and guidance it was him. The chap would engage as if he was truly interested in gathering some info for the journey but alas, time and time again like many we've encountered over the years his thought process would/could not change and he just wants validation for the process he started with. The guy seems relatively intelligent but his ideas on FSUW are really "out there"
AND............. When he did change some detail in his approach or theories/philosophy
is was never for the better. Somehow his new approach was even worse
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People need to be a bit kinder to Trench, he obviously struggles somewhat , so try give him constructive criticism. People shouldn't kick a man when he is down
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People need to be a bit kinder to Trench, he obviously struggles somewhat , so try give him constructive criticism. People shouldn't kick a man when he is down
I've written advice to Trench at least 50 times, sometimes I've written an
entire page of ideas and advice. He is like a junkie on his 17th trip to rehab.
He's getting tough love from me moving forward. Tough love isn't kicking
him and he isn't down, although he is too poor to pursue an international
relationship.
In my country his income wouldn't meet the minimum 125% above the
poverty rate requirement for a man to apply for an immigration visa.
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People need to be a bit kinder to Trench, he obviously struggles somewhat , so try give him constructive criticism. People shouldn't kick a man when he is down
I've written advice to Trench at least 50 times, sometimes I've written an
entire page of ideas and advice. He is like a junkie on his 17th trip to rehab.
He's getting tough love from me moving forward. Tough love isn't kicking
him and he isn't down, although he is too poor to pursue an international
relationship.
In my country his income wouldn't meet the minimum 125% above the
poverty rate requirement for a man to apply for an immigration visa.
My opinion is parallel to Bill's.
It is like rolling the proverbial boulder up the hill, added this task is the stubborn attitude, and prejudices of TC and things will only be disaster upon disaster. For this reason I have zero patience. That the skill set is missing is itself not the problem. That you will suck others into this black hole, possibly children, is the problem.
On occasion I teach sailing to newbies. Most of the student listen and some with a little time and others take a quite a while to learn how to sail. Rarely do I steer. But there is one student who clearly refuses suggestions, advice and instruction. Multiple times she has failed the written test as well. The other instructors refuse to attempt to teach her anymore, I shrug and take her for a tour. She is happy and when I am asked what is my assessment I say you have LOFT (Lack of Fcuking Talent). It is also a clothing label that she wears.
One afternoon I pondered about putting her and TC together on a rigged boat and cut them free.
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Guys let's face it there are many guys that go to the FSU, meet a girl, marry her and bring her back to their home country. Then at some point along the way the whole lot goes south for them. She leaves the guy often taking kids, house or whatever, sometimes she just leaves the guy after getting her green card, or version off.
We've had plenty of cases on here over the years. I can recall a guy in Australia who was complaining that his wife left him after he made the decision to delay having children as he thought his finances needed to be better, she got a job instead ended up becoming a career woman not especially interested in having kids and left him about seven years or so later I think it was. He was apparently up for giving it another go at finding another FSW though lol.
Then before that I recall some guy in South Africa who's FSW filed for divorce, he voluntarily moved out of the (his) house in order to try and avoid upsetting the feminazi divorce court system out there. From last we heard I believe that seemed an attempt in vain as it appeared that he had just enabled taking what was previously his house from him easier for her by pretty much handing it too her and giving her the power and affirmation that she should do that. It looked like she took the lot there.
I've seen other reports and stuff on TV of FSU relationships going south in a bad way also. Some guys will rush in to FSU dating, won't think twice. They won't wonder why they are suddenly able to date in the FSU when they struggle at home or why the woman is interested in them or they miss bad signs and red flags or they handle the relationship badly. Many don't bother to learn about FSU culture or how people are out there, they are in the dark ignorantly thinking it is not important until it blows up in their face. Some guys can start over, many cannot. I don't see that asking questions in different ways and theorising what might happen if is a problem. Better to find out in advance and avoid a bad problem than have it destroy your life I think. I never said I would do a deal here I just enquired about it to see what people thought based on FSW mentality towards practicality of seeking a FSU guy who can provide as such it seemed a valid and intriguing question to ask.
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Guys let's face it there are many guys that go to the FSU, meet a girl, marry her and bring her back to their home country. Then at some point along the way the whole lot goes south for them. She leaves the guy often taking kids, house or whatever, sometimes she just leaves the guy after getting her green card, or version off.
We've had plenty of cases on here over the years. I can recall a guy in Australia who was complaining that his wife left him after he made the decision to delay having children as he thought his finances needed to be better, she got a job instead ended up becoming a career woman not especially interested in having kids and left him about seven years or so later I think it was. He was apparently up for giving it another go at finding another FSW though lol.
Then before that I recall some guy in South Africa who's FSW filed for divorce, he voluntarily moved out of the (his) house in order to try and avoid upsetting the feminazi divorce court system out there. From last we heard I believe that seemed an attempt in vain as it appeared that he had just enabled taking what was previously his house from him easier for her by pretty much handing it too her and giving her the power and affirmation that she should do that. It looked like she took the lot there.
I've seen other reports and stuff on TV of FSU relationships going south in a bad way also. Some guys will rush in to FSU dating, won't think twice. They won't wonder why they are suddenly able to date in the FSU when they struggle at home or why the woman is interested in them or they miss bad signs and red flags or they handle the relationship badly. Many don't bother to learn about FSU culture or how people are out there, they are in the dark ignorantly thinking it is not important until it blows up in their face. Some guys can start over, many cannot. I don't see that asking questions in different ways and theorising what might happen if is a problem. Better to find out in advance and avoid a bad problem than have it destroy your life I think. I never said I would do a deal here I just enquired about it to see what people thought based on FSW mentality towards practicality of seeking a FSU guy who can provide as such it seemed a valid and intriguing question to ask.
I can accept the above.
The issue is there are enough members present who have successful relationships that cross both age differences and cultural barriers. Across the spectrum they have not attempted to accomplish this in the manner and with the attitude that you have.
You seem to enjoy arguing why 2 + 2 is not 5. It is tiresome.
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I can accept the above.
The issue is there are enough members present who have successful relationships that cross both age differences and cultural barriers. Across the spectrum they have not attempted to accomplish this in the manner and with the attitude that you have.
You seem to enjoy arguing why 2 + 2 is not 5. It is tiresome.
Different people start at in a better or lesser place than each other. A guy who is a 7 out of 10 in looks and a 7 out of 10 in money and then goes for a FSW who is a 6 out of 10 in looks it can be a breeze. A guy who approaches it with a 5 out of 10 in looks, a 3 out of 10 in money and then goes for a FSW who is a 6 in looks will probably find the going a lot tougher. That is of course not taking into account a variety of other factors but we have all seen the guy who is too old, too fat, too ugly or just plain sad looking trying it on with a hot FSW when it's clear he isn't even in the ballpark or remotely close.
So a guy with stuff on his side will likely have a lot of this dating FSW fall into place more easily. A guy who does not have so much of this will not, he doesn't have to be a complete loser for it to not work as easy.
So there is a disparity in what the figure comes out as depending on who you are. The guy who comes out top as just mentioned could date a girl he thinks is sweet and the nicest to him. That same girl might have previously dated the guy who comes out lesser and not thought much of him and taken him for a ride. We're not all going to come up with the same answer on this dating FSW question is what I am saying.
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Different people start at in a better or lesser place than each other. A guy who is a 7 out of 10 in looks and a 7 out of 10 in money and then goes for a FSW who is a 6 out of 10 in looks it can be a breeze. A guy who approaches it with a 5 out of 10 in looks, a 3 out of 10 in money and then goes for a FSW who is a 6 in looks will probably find the going a lot tougher. That is of course not taking into account a variety of other factors but we have all seen the guy who is too old, too fat, too ugly or just plain sad looking trying it on with a hot FSW when it's clear he isn't even in the ballpark or remotely close.
So a guy with stuff on his side will likely have a lot of this dating FSW fall into place more easily. A guy who does not have so much of this will not, he doesn't have to be a complete loser for it to not work as easy.
So there is a disparity in what the figure comes out as depending on who you are. The guy who comes out top as just mentioned could date a girl he thinks is sweet and the nicest to him. That same girl might have previously dated the guy who comes out lesser and not thought much of him and taken him for a ride. We're not all going to come up with the same answer on this dating FSW question is what I am saying.
There is one thing which you must have, irrespective of the above nonsense TC is spouting on about, as usual, which is ‘disposable income’.
Searching for and dating internationally isn’t for those on minimum wage and less.
Trench, we all know you haven’t tuppence to spare so the question is, what do you have to offer to ‘cut a deal’ since it isn’t money.
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Life is often simple, but we choose to make it complex. I mean, what are people really telling people what matters? Most people are too much of a pussy to deal with women, they are looking for a hidden code to charm FSUW hearts. I remember a guy who learned russian, moved to moscow , and was there for 3 months, had blue balls. I roll up in moscow , i hook up with women left, right and centre, same with most Western men if they have their shit together.
Focus on improving your income, you body, your health, way you dress, Done. stop making this so complex. Problem Trench, is let us be honest, you don't have any of these areas covered. You have a visa, that is about it. I am not being mean, it is just that you are lazy. You have literally nothing, you haven't dedicated yourself to anything, in your own words, you are pretty lazy.
Till you stop being lazy, your life will be hard. Your mindset needs to switch to hardworking trench
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Women are basically the same the world over...
FINALLY! Some wisdom emerges. Difference with me is that I didn't just search the FSU...I set my sights on the entire planet and then my wife found me.
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I think the odds of Trench finding a good girl from the FSU who will put up with
him using the tactics and theories he posts about here are only slightly better
than hitting 18 consecutive hole in one shots during a round of golf.
:ROFL: So, why do I give Trench advice? I respond to his posts so that the newbies
and lurkers who read these threads can read a reasonable response from an
experienced member who eventually found success himself.
:ROFL:
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People need to be a bit kinder to Trench, he obviously struggles somewhat , so try give him constructive criticism. People shouldn't kick a man when he is down
We have a topic with 230000 views about Trench Philosophy.
Look that's quite simple dude.
ex FSU women want a man in action, they assess you by what you do.
Nobody could even argue about this fact.
On other hand we have the Trench Philosophy, with 5600 posts.
Wich means to make it very short that during this time 5600 women would have left the meeting room.
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Trench might want to consider a real mail-order bride.
Tell your friends the Fed-Ex driver introduced you.
Get started here:
http://dollforum.com/forum/
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For some reason, I can not capture the qoute of Boethuis, but it is in fact not so important with this/my reply.
Trenchcoat, I have a respect for your determination. As well as your ability to post on irregardless of the advice and observations made for your benefit.
To me the above just confirms your bigoted and rather racist views. It is a guess that ms will object from a different perspective but it shows to me how much of an abuser you are to women who you view are seeking a better life. I have put in bold your text that sums up your ugly 'vision'.
good to see you here.