Newt or Mitt VS Obama. Can either of 'em beat him?

[Gator]

I disagree.  The results show democracy at work and it's evolution.

I do agree though that it is often hard to keep up with the times..

You can disagree all you want, but first I ask you, "What do you know about America and especially Afro-Americans other than what some reporter tells you and you see during an annual visit?" 
 
I would be careful about what I read because the journalism code of ethics is not what it used to be (on both sides).

[Gator]

Gator,

Romney 'took it like a man' IMHO..  Constituents devoted to him should too.

Wrong, he took it conceded like the gentleman he is, something foreign to our President.
 
When you sink to such comments, it is time to call it a day.  We  shall see how this plays out, and it will be at full pace in January.  I hope I am wrong about Mr. President.  Meanwhile,  we had a 300-point drop with very high volume in the Dow today.

[SFandEE]

Those would have been 300 points that were gained under the same president, I guess a more than a few people are anxious. so? You could get sea sick feeling every Wall St  wave. Do you recall the doubling over the first four years, if you believe the presidency staying with Obama caused a 300 point drop today, you also likely see this as a buying opportunity.

[Globetrotter]

One should visit scores of countries from Norway to Bangladesh, and then determine what system has validity, and which has a proper "quality of life, or quality of worklife" and then decide which they want to follow. 
 
If you think billionaires have sway, vote for those that think your way.  If you don't understand the science of global warming, vote for the boys that the Koch's support.
 
Thank God that the most unqualified Dufus politician lost...."who would have gone to war with Iran in a heartbeat", (I lived there) and put our country in more danger than we are already in.  Imagine a politician deciding what probes to place in a woman's vagina, or determine that no fetus could be aborted.  We need government regulation to determine what is a moral issue?  Thank God....and I hope to never hear his name or see his face ever again. 
 
Many think that he would not reveal his taxes because a Mormon promises to tithe (10%) one's earnings that must go to the church, which is on the honor system, and Romney cheated, thus would be barred from being a "Bishop" of the church, or ex-communicated for lying and cheating.  Imagine....they believe Jesus lived here, elephants were here, and oh, those "magic glasses" that were found to read that golden  "Book of Mormon".......... Incredible. 
 
People speak of "socialism" which is a joke.  We have socialism on the lowest end of the scale...food stamps, section 8, welfare, etc., which is proper for the most desperate, then we have socialism for the "princes" of business...Lloyd Stinkfien, (sorry.... Blankfien) oil companies, General Mills, General Foods, GE, etc...   Wow, why not have a subsidity for welders, electricians, plumbers, and all others?  Just eliminate all corporate welfare.  Well, the middle class, which may be most of us here.........have no socialist welfare, as the upper and lowest among us, do.
 
Sorry for the "soapbox" but the best man won!!!       
 
 

[Cameraguy]

Based on the number of posts, there seems to be a lot of angst in the Gator household... 

I just heard someone say, "Older rich white guys are a dying breed. This country is isn't getting whiter, it's getting more diverse. If the GOP wants to win elections, it's gonna have to appeal to a much broader electorate."

And don't worry about Wall St. It'll be back tomorrow.

P.S. Hey Globetrotter, excellent points. Couldn't agree more. Sometimes because of their insularity, Americans can be a little myopic.

[Gator]

Those would have 300 points that were gained under the same president, I guess a more than a few people are anxious. so? You could get sea sick feeling every Wall St  wave. Do you recall the doubling over the first four years, if you believe the presidency staying with Obama caused a 300 point drop today, you also likely see this as a buying opportunity.

The doubling started after dropping 25% two months into his presidency.    So no buying today.    I sold a put the other day for Apple at 550, thinking the Xmas season will boost the stock.  I fear that it may be filled. 
 
People are selling now because they want 2012 tax rates for gains (yes, taxes are going up).  There should  be much volatility through January.  Perhaps buy then.   

[SFandEE]

Timing is timing, but no doubt GWB destroyed wealth with his leadership and his decider skills.


I don't especially need to assign Obama credit or blame, but if he gets the dips he gets the rises.

[Gator]

SF andEE,
I agree.  American business progresses despite its elected leaders, so our pols should not get much credit/blame in either direction.
 

[SFandEE]

The country will suffer through four more years without leadership, go deeper into debt, drive away still more business and deal with increasing unemployment (watch what happens when they downsize the military, local government payrolls and reduce defense contract spending). Oh yeah, taxes are going up, the Obamacare tax alone will weaken the spending power of the economy, then there's the expiring tax cuts. Guess we will see how long the working people agree to pay others not to work.......



...... In the meantime, remember that you can live outside the US, keep your passport, collect your SS and earn income up to $92,900/year tax-free (unless they cut that exemption and try to collect taxes across international lines).

I trust your morality would not allow for the creation by a nation with overwhelming debt obligations of make work military and contractor positions in order to improperly redistribute wealth within a peaceful nation to a state of warmongering in order to consume labor and supplies in war actions that are created for making sure certain special interest groups get federal funds. You can't justify killing people for money right? That's wrong for white Boomers isn't it? The new confederation values peace, not just dollars. That's wealth redistribution from make peace to make war. Might be a generational thinking, making war has made a lot of Boomers a lot of money.


Those entitlements sound great, you earned those through a politician right? Well done, you take those entitlements and you enjoy them. You've earned those entitlements, because you negotiated with a politician for them. Keep up the "work". Health care too right, you are entitled to that too.

[Gator]

CG and GT,
 
No jokes about old white guys. 
 
Romney gone to war with Iran?  That's a good one!   What are you smoking, some of that Iranian hash?  I also lived there and we kept it on the table like a stick of butter.   Spent most of my time in Tehran and along the Caspian Sea.  Got into a NHB fight with three Iranians on the ski slopes - they skied like they drove.      I left late 1978.  You?
 
Romney's  plan was different, but it does not matter now, so no need to mention it.

[SFandEE]

I heard him in the debate he was baiting Iran for a war with the US because for some reason we love Israel more than other governments. He said he loves Israel more than Obama.


That Persian air force isn't so scary, if the Germans aren't scared of Iran why should California be scared? Romney also had tapped the GWB warmonger machine for his cabinet, GWB redux. No thank you. Only good for a few and the simple.

[Faux Pas]

Probably a good time that I remind you all to keep the discussion civil. Religion and politics have a way of escalating to flames and blowing up in everyone's face. This thread has been allowed to exist for 60 pages because it has remained civil and stuck to the presidential election. This forum is for the discussion of Russian and Ukrainian women. This thread as mentioned has been permitted to remain because it was informative and civil. It's skirting the boundaries of that now

[Cameraguy]

Dear Mr. Gator,

There's no need to smoke Iranian hash in order to understand that a Romney victory would've meant a resurrection of Dubya's Neocon War Cabinet.

Regards,

~CG

[Globetrotter]

Yes Gator.  visited Iran from 75-78, and left in Oct. of 78.....deadly.  Actually, the railway wanted me to stay to run it.  The Shah's cousin was the Director and ran the show, and we were friends.  I went there to solve some emergency problems for a week, then wanted to leave to get married.  The director said that if I stayed for 2 more weeks, I could get married there, that he would fly my squeeze  out there first class, etc.  I said no, I'm going home.  He had a group of SAVAK agents at the airport to prevent me from leaving (unknown to me at the time) but decided not to piss me off, so I only learned of this from my sales rep months later.  I've also lived in 50 other countries, and flown around the world 40 or more times.  (Also...didn't get married!)
 
On a happier subject..........my squeeze arrives on Sunday for a 3 week visit, so I am cleaning, planning, etc.  She is 57, and I am 62........(but I look like I am 32....LOL)
 
I still can't believe that anyone believes Romney was anything but a great great A$$hole!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!....he should be shot!
 

[SFandEE]

So where do the next four years take us:

-  More taxes (everyone),
-  More debt (does anyone think a social agenda will stem the tide?),
-  Continued high unemployment,
-  Higher prices for energy and continued dependence upon imports and what that implies for placating the Middle East,
-  Weakened military (a little not so bad, but a lot?).
 
What else am I missing?

A nation that represents the needs and values of a diverse population not a monolithic ruling class.  By the way, American politics are completely corrupt, regardless of party. So if we sink, at least we'll sink with some decency. Elitism is not an American value, hard work rewarded is part of our culture. Indentured servitude should not be allowed to return even if capitalism values cheap low subsistence labor over community. Getting the hem of your pants wet is not drowning. Toughen up all of us!


Importing communism should be rejected by our culture, it is embraced.


It is he sunset of a weird wave of American people that were born into privilege post WWII, they did not suffer the pains of WWII or the Great Depression, but thrived in their afterglow. They then proceeded to deny their own children and fought the "underclasses" the same entitlements they received in work programs, retirement pensions, business opportunities, and educational programs. It is their sunset now, and rather than stepping up and being economic heroes they are insisting on everything they voted for themselves be paid in full and that their children pay their bill. In 30 years they are on average no more, but their debt legacy will be sustained because they were entitled because of promises they made to themselves for their children. A unique and entitled generation.

[GoodOlBoy]

It could get worse.
 
In 2 years Obama could win the House, giving him an open wallet again to spend anyway he wants. 

And we all remember what happened last time he had complete control.....
 
GOB

[SFandEE]

People who were working at a job that provided health insurance for their child, but were under employed were now able to secure more appropriate employment because they don't have to worry about a pre-existing condition.


That's a good thing. Yay!

[pitbull]

It is he sunset of a weird wave of American people that were born into privilege post WWII, they did not suffer the pains of WWII or the Great Depression, but thrived in their afterglow. They then proceeded to deny their own children and fought the "underclasses" the same entitlements they received in work programs, retirement pensions, business opportunities, and educational programs. It is their sunset now, and rather than stepping up and being economic heroes they are insisting on everything they voted for themselves be paid in full and that their children pay their bill. In 30 years they are on average no more, but their debt legacy will be sustained because they were entitled because of promises they made to themselves for their children. A unique and entitled generation.

+100000%, the most correct post in this whole thread!
 

[Globetrotter]

Correct, that both political parties are corrupt...as Obama took a $1M donation from Goldman Sachs in his first election.  They hate him now, so no money this time. 
 
Goldman Sachs are the scum of the earth, that produce nothing, only trade in money, and are the frontmen for the Rothschild Family.  (Look them up, and you will see.) 
 
Until this government "governs" taxes, trade, and banking...nothing will change!
 
 

[tfcrew]

Went as I figured....

Who is better off than they were four years ago?
Hundreds of thousands--even millions are.
That's why Barack-o will be re-elected I'm afraid.

 

Now maybe soon enough we'll find out what this was all about....

[JBXT]

The Russians don't call Obama "Ushastick" for nothing.

Those of you who are married to RW can ask them to translate.

[Globetrotter]

Gator, of course we need to mention it.  Romney was an absolute ass, which should be considered.  I have enjoyed some of your posts, and thought at times you were a smart guy. 
 
Look, from now on, just enjoy your retirement, and your golf game, and your search.
 
 
 
God Bless

[Daveman]

+100000%, the most correct post in this whole thread!

I have to disagree that the part you quoted is the *most* correct... the most correct is, in fact, this part of the same post...

...American politics are completely corrupt, regardless of party.

As long as we continue to foment the self serving rape and plunder of liberty, the pandering to corporate special interests, the worship of profit at the cost of livable wage American jobs (by action, not two faced hypocritical rhetorical verbiage) -- by both Republishits and Democraps -- we remain right on course to inevitable destruction.


Real change from this ludicrous status quo must go well beyond the four or eight year political pendulum swing...

[LAman]

This seems appropriate here......

 Where are the disgruntled masses moving?
By Chris Wilson, Yahoo! News
It's a sacred ritual of American elections that fans of the losing party threaten to leave the country, and then do not. We can see this phenomenon in effect by examining instances of the phrase "I'm moving to [country]" on Twitter around the time the election was called.Curiously, Canada--long the imagined haven of liberals in years in which Republicans win--is the most popular choice. (Perhaps it's just close?) Australia comes in second, followed by ... Colorado? The people promising to move there are perhaps motivated by electoral news other than the winner of the presidency.

 
Sorry, Russia didn't register........

[GoodOlBoy]

Interesting graph.......
 
I guess the disgruntled masses picked Colorado because they just voted to allow legal pot smoking in that state for everybody?
 
A whole new meaning to the song "Rocky Mountain High". 





GOB

PS.... I can hear the chanting now: "Free at last, free at last! Thank God Almighty we can smoke some grass!"