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Do you have to be rich ?
« on: July 10, 2018, 08:06:52 AM »
Hello do you have to be rich for the women to want to be with you?

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Re: Do you have to be rich ?
« Reply #1 on: July 10, 2018, 08:15:15 AM »
Hello do you have to be rich for the women to want to be with you?

Welcome to RWD

While I am uncertain what 'the women' means in your book, it does not hurt your chances to have a woman or women if you have funds to spare.
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Re: Do you have to be rich ?
« Reply #2 on: July 10, 2018, 08:24:09 AM »
I mean do you have lots of money? Or just able to provide a good stable life?

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Re: Do you have to be rich ?
« Reply #3 on: July 10, 2018, 08:33:03 AM »
it's not a binary one or the other kind of answer
it's one of degree
the more money you have, the easier everything becomes
conversely
the less money you have, the more difficult everything becomes
if you have infinite money
you can have infinite sex
if you have zero money
you will have zero sex
now the line between zero and infinity
probably isn't purely linear
might be exponential at some point
and obviously that's where you want to be at on the curve

hope this kinda graph analytical approach answers your question
everything is proportional to money
stability increases with money
decreases without it

if you have to ask how much something costs
it usually means you can't afford it
increase your income and then try...




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Re: Do you have to be rich ?
« Reply #4 on: July 10, 2018, 08:53:14 AM »
I guess what I mean is If  most women  want  happy  stable life or richy life.

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Re: Do you have to be rich ?
« Reply #5 on: July 10, 2018, 09:43:12 AM »
Women typically go for men who are 4-5 years older, and equal or higher in socio-economic status.

Men go for younger women who are equal or lower in socio-economic status.

There are rare exceptions, but they are not the norm.

The expression of a woman who is "out of your league" refers to a woman of higher socio-economic status than you.

Women want a happy stable life with a guy who can support her and her future child.  In regards to FSU women who are leaving the life they know, going to a new country with a new language to be with a man they barely know, they are going to want a happy stable life plus an increase in socio-economic status.  The older the man is, the more money he is going to need to keep the woman happy.

Depending on your age, and the present socio-economic status of the lady you are pursuing, she may want you to offer both a happy stable life and considerable money.

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Re: Do you have to be rich ?
« Reply #6 on: July 10, 2018, 09:50:59 AM »
Hello do you have to be rich for the women to want to be with you?
I don’t think being rich is a pre requisite. However, this is not a cheap venture and international dating and marriage incurs costs which would not apply were you to date locally. Financial stability and disposable income are certainly factors which come into play.

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Re: Do you have to be rich ?
« Reply #7 on: July 10, 2018, 10:09:30 AM »
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However, this is not a cheap venture and international dating and marriage incurs costs which would not apply were you to date locally. Financial stability and disposable income are certainly factors which come into play.

At least for US men pursuing FSU women, the number I have heard bantered about is that a man should expect to pay $20,000 out of pocket during courtship of a FSU lady.  (Trips to visit her through the K1 process.)

After you get married, that is when it gets really costly.

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Re: Do you have to be rich ?
« Reply #8 on: July 10, 2018, 10:40:58 AM »
As others have said . . . it depends on the woman.
Some will be happy with a lower-middle class life in the west, whereas others want at least an upper-middle class life.

A rough guide would be to assess the woman's situation when she was growing up.
Those who are from families that struggled to survive might be accepting of a lower-middle class situation in the west.

However, there are probably plenty of exceptions to that rule even, where the woman dreamt so strongly about leaving behind her poor background that she wants upper-middle class or even higher new situation.  Her looks will dictate how successful she will be in striving for a bolshoi upgrade.

I would agree that $20,000 would be a good ball-park figure as to how much money the man should have to spare in getting the woman into the west.  Depends a lot on the distances involved, of course.

However, as to whether the real expenses start when she arrives; that depends greatly on her income producing ability.  The gals with at least medium English skills and appropriate education and experience in accounting, medical (except those that have stringent licensing requirements), beauty salons, house cleaning, retail sales, teaching math and science subjects can often pay their own way (and more) fairly soon.
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Re: Do you have to be rich ?
« Reply #9 on: July 10, 2018, 11:17:55 AM »
I mean do you have lots of money? Or just able to provide a good stable life?

Most women prefer a man who's responsible, intelligent which allows him to provide a stable life over an idiot who won the lottery. Money is important but there are more important things than money if you want to keep a woman.
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Re: Do you have to be rich ?
« Reply #10 on: July 10, 2018, 12:28:24 PM »
Hello do you have to be rich for the women to want to be with you?

Where are you from Yoshii as the amount it will cost to both meet, bring her over and give a a reasonable comfort of lifestyle is likely to vary I think depending on the country you're from.
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Re: Do you have to be rich ?
« Reply #11 on: July 10, 2018, 12:36:00 PM »
Where are you from Yoshii as the amount it will cost to both meet, bring her over and give a a reasonable comfort of lifestyle is likely to vary I think depending on the country you're from.
That’s a bit rich, coming from someone who hasn’t a scooby doo.  :cluebat:

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Re: Do you have to be rich ?
« Reply #12 on: July 10, 2018, 01:01:50 PM »
out of the mouths of foolish men
words of strength may be heard...

condemn the fault, and not the actor of it?
I should have said THAT to Pilate
instead of whispering “crucifixion” in his ear...

but then the judges always sooner or later...
will become the ones judged...


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Re: Do you have to be rich ?
« Reply #13 on: July 10, 2018, 01:06:45 PM »
I guess what I mean is If  most women  want  happy  stable life or richy life.

Most people want a happy, stable life.
More money means more options, but by itself it doesn't solve any problems.

I recall someone (years ago) trying to add up everything from contact to K-1 (for the US) and arriving at around $25,000 US.

But like ML says, the real costs start after she arrives.
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Re: Do you have to be rich ?
« Reply #14 on: July 10, 2018, 01:22:03 PM »
out of the mouths of foolish men
words of strength may be heard...

condemn the fault, and not the actor of it?
I should have said THAT to Pilate
instead of whispering “crucifixion” in his ear...

but then the judges always sooner or later...
will become the ones judged...

Krim, come back to earth with us man....


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Do you have to be rich ?
« Reply #15 on: July 10, 2018, 01:54:34 PM »
I mean do you have lots of money? Or just able to provide a good stable life?

Find the right girl, win her heart and she will always be by your side.
FSUW are not for entry level daters
FSUW don't do vague
FSUW like a man of action. Be a man of action 
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Re: Do you have to be rich ?
« Reply #16 on: July 10, 2018, 02:33:08 PM »
Find the right girl, win her heart and she will always be by your side.

Come on . . . you know this is not true!!!!
50% divorce rate even as most all persons are sure they have found the right girl/boy.
Try is all you can do, and hope for best . . . which only comes true about half the time, and even less for 2nd and beyond marriages.
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Re: Do you have to be rich ?
« Reply #17 on: July 10, 2018, 03:01:27 PM »
Come on . . . you know this is not true!!!!
50% divorce rate even as most all persons are sure they have found the right girl/boy.
Try is all you can do, and hope for best . . . which only comes true about half the time, and even less for 2nd and beyond marriages.

IDK, wasn't there a statistic by the Fed that showed that it's a 49% Divorce rate amongst domestic partners but something like <30% for international? That was what originally got me interested in looking abroad. Up to that point I had no interest in signing up for a coin toss of whether or not I lose half my crap.

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Re: Do you have to be rich ?
« Reply #18 on: July 10, 2018, 03:03:22 PM »
Hello do you have to be rich for the women to want to be with you?

Rich works, but a smart middle class man that makes this relationship a priority is just as good if not better. In my 25 years of knowing couples like this, the most successful were from middle class men that made their marriage a priority. Actually the really rich guys I knew made bad choices, the middle class men made better choices. I think the later knew it was all on the line so they picked better mates.

If you decide to go this route, there will be expenses. My friend earlier said a realistic number today is 25k, in my experience it was 3k 25 years ago. But as my friend said, the expenses mount afterwards. Another respected poster mentioned how a wife would contribute later on, and that is very true. FSU women are very bright, but it might take several years before they can contribute.

So you must be able to financially take care of her until she can work, if that is what she wants

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Re: Do you have to be rich ?
« Reply #19 on: July 10, 2018, 03:23:28 PM »
Come on . . . you know this is not true!!!!
50% divorce rate even as most all persons are sure they have found the right girl/boy.
Try is all you can do, and hope for best . . . which only comes true about half the time, and even less for 2nd and beyond marriages.

If you marry a girl who is a virgin, your chances of divorce are about 5%.
In the US, about 50% of first marriages end in divorce.
2/3 of second marriages end in divorce.
3/4 of third marriages end in divorce.

Rates of child abuse with both biological parents 3%.
Rates of child abuse with one biological parent plus a new partner 30%.

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Re: Do you have to be rich ?
« Reply #20 on: July 10, 2018, 05:04:34 PM »
I still say get an egg donor of whatever physical characteristics you want
a willing fertility clinic to do the in-vitro with your own sperm
and a surrogate mother to take it to term

and presto you have a child with half your genes and who also has no legal mother
so you could never be blackmailed by her or her attorney
and she can be raised by your ukrainian au pair girl
who lives with you
and whose visa you completely control
sweet mother of god,
why didn't I think of this when I was younger



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Re: Do you have to be rich ?
« Reply #21 on: July 10, 2018, 06:31:17 PM »
I still say get an egg donor of whatever physical characteristics you want
a willing fertility clinic to do the in-vitro with your own sperm
and a surrogate mother to take it to term

and presto you have a child with half your genes and who also has no legal mother

krimster after this post I know you're not a lawyer. Maybe what you say might be true in Ukraine however I'd like to see you get her into the US with a mother's name.

In the US the woman who gave birth to her could claim to be her mother as could the egg donor if she could be tracked down.

and she can be raised by your ukrainian au pair girl
who lives with you
and whose visa you completely control


When you start saying things like "whose visa you completely control" you're talking about human trafficking or kidnapping or forcible confinement at a minimum.

Using your own sperm to fertilize donor eggs left at a sperm bank in Ukraine and using a surrogate to give birth may be legal in the US however when you're talking about controlling a foreign citizen in the US via her visa status you're talking about federal felonies and that will get you serious federal time. Your daughter will go into the care of child services and if you ever get out of federal custody it's unlikely you'll ever get custody of her again. Assuming she's still a child when you're released.

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Re: Do you have to be rich ?
« Reply #22 on: July 10, 2018, 08:13:16 PM »
"you're talking about federal felonies and that will get you serious federal time"

gozpedy
if someone has a work visa through you like an au pair girl you hired from Ukraine
their visa is valid only as long as they are employed by you
you can fire them with no notice
and they have to leave
should you so choose
so yes, you control their visa
anyone with a green card tied to a particular employer has the same issue
golden handcuffs
so you have leverage over this girl
and not the other way around


there was an employment agency near San Francisco
that only placed either Russian grandmothers or young Russian girls into homes
you had to co-file the paperwork
and pay a fee
but then you have a 21 yr old living in your house
who speaks no English but cooks and cleans
and whatever else you want


yes, it is difficult to get a surrogate from outside the US into the US
but I can think of at least one way where it wouldn't be too hard
that involves the mexican border

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Re: Do you have to be rich ?
« Reply #23 on: July 10, 2018, 08:36:07 PM »
If you marry a girl who is a virgin, your chances of divorce are about 5%.
In the US, about 50% of first marriages end in divorce.

Your second statement is true.

Your first statement is totally false. 
Chance that divorce will occur when either or both were virgins at marriage is still 50%.
In fact, the chance may be even higher since not even minimal sexual compatibility has been established.
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Re: Do you have to be rich ?
« Reply #24 on: July 10, 2018, 09:07:42 PM »
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Your first statement is totally false.
Chance that divorce will occur when either or both were virgins at marriage is still 50%.
In fact, the chance may be even higher since not even minimal sexual compatibility has been established.

The facts disagree with you.  Feel free to look up the Teachman studies, the Heritage studies, or the CDC's National Survey of Family Growth studies.



I was slightly incorrect.  It is 5% of women who are marrying now as virgins, with a 6% divorce rate.  (In the 1970's, it was 21% of women marrying as virgins.)

Of no surprise, women who attend church regularly also have the lowest number of sexual partners.





 

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