Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?

[BC]

I do understand your POV. I expect living in a hot spot certainly shapes that view. Nothing to substantiate this number but I am guessing 75-80% of the country (US) is not in a hot spot. Those flag waving idiots to which you refer are at this point just regular people of which whom many have not been able to work in now 5 weeks or more. Believe it or not, most of these people live paycheck to paycheck. The $1200 bucks helps very little. They're worried, tired, broke, deflated and hungry for food and more.

Business will take care of business given the green light to pursue, especially in the areas where infections are low. Distancing and other precautions can be observed while business and commerce is allowed to go. This isn't an "all or nothing" adventure IMO

FP, yes living in a hotspot does make the virus very 'live' and near.  According to some sentiments here, the paycheck to paycheck, payday loan crowd is well just that, nothing to worry too awful much about.  I say economic support should have been given from the bottom up to workers and small businesses first.  Big Biz can take care of itself.  Boeing can and should restructure, happens all the time. 17 Billion can feed and support a lot of these people who really need it and help the economy at the same time, instead of effectively paying for its mistakes and buybacks.  Airlines can restructure as well, for the better.  It will be a long time before all those unused planes are flying and even 58 Billion ain't going to be enough.  Want to buy a 737Max cheap? They can hardly give 'em away at cost.  Why support a lost cause for nought?

We are again protecting the top, leaving our most vulnerable behind for at least a couple years to come.  Some here seem to take the position that we should not give too much lest they get lazy and stick their noses up at low wages.  God forbid someone can survive on one job alone.

Every economic crisis results in companies slimming down, finding new ways to work more with less.  We are learning to work from home now, without offices and commutes.  Office space for rent?  Bad luck.  Gas station? Bad luck.  Three cars? what for and on and on.  I get the feeling unemployment is here to stay again for a long while.

One thing is sure, this itty bitty virus has brought all our little hidden defects to the forefront.

Little rant over

[msmob]

The Far Right groups getting involved in protests against lockdowns

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/17/far-right-coronavirus-protests-restrictions


Protesters in Michigan and other states claim to speak for ordinary citizens, but are also supported by street-fighting far-right groups

[Faux Pas]

According to some sentiments here, the paycheck to paycheck, payday loan crowd is well just that, nothing to worry too awful much about.

 

Here I'll have to disagree with you. Many to most are not necessarily the payday loan crowd but honest folks working for an honest day's pay. Even in small business often there are many more Indians than Chiefs. Literally hundreds of 1000's of small business are going tits up with no end in sight. The Chiefs and the Indians of small business are left without a way to continue to make a living. Why at this point is purely political but that's a conversation for another day.

 

I say economic support should have been given from the bottom up to workers and small businesses first.  Big Biz can take care of itself.  Boeing can and should restructure, happens all the time. 17 Billion can feed and support a lot of these people who really need it and help the economy at the same time, instead of effectively paying for its mistakes and buybacks.  Airlines can restructure as well, for the better.  It will be a long time before all those unused planes are flying and even 58 Billion ain't going to be enough.  Want to buy a 737Max cheap? They can hardly give 'em away at cost.  Why support a lost cause for nought?

Here I agree with you but appreciate it or not, the Boeings of the world employ a lot of Indians. Denying them is the same as denying small business

We are again protecting the top, leaving our most vulnerable behind for at least a couple years to come.  Some here seem to take the position that we should not give too much lest they get lazy and stick their noses up at low wages.  God forbid someone can survive on one job alone.

Every economic crisis results in companies slimming down, finding new ways to work more with less.  We are learning to work from home now, without offices and commutes.  Office space for rent?  Bad luck.  Gas station? Bad luck.  Three cars? what for and on and on.  I get the feeling unemployment is here to stay again for a long while.

One thing is sure, this itty bitty virus has brought all our little hidden defects to the forefront.

Little rant over

That is a theory. One problem with it is not everyone can work from home. Mostly the service industry, the clerks and owners of the small shops and small business comprises of the 25-30% of record unemployment we are witnessing now. My point is, folks want and need to get back to work. Many paycheck to paycheck people Americans don't want to be on the dole. Staying in lock down for areas that can loosen up is akin to throwing the baby out with the bath water. Normal? I don't think normal as we knew it is years if ever, to return. We can however  in many areas begin to allow business to return and take care of business. If allowed to, it will do so IMHO

The point is this IS an all or nothing 'adventure' as you'll soon enough BE a hotspot by carrying on as normal ...

This is you trolling me moron. Your need for attention knows no bounds. I was not surprised you Googled strawman fallacy and still failed to comprehend what you read and how it applies to you.

[msmob]

 
This is you trolling me moron.

Says the guy who started off the day with a drive-by troll ..  You know where this exchange is going ...but you just can't help yourself.

[Faux Pas]

Says the guy who started off the day with a drive-by troll ..  You know where this exchange is going ...but you just can't help yourself.

Attack it little man. Attack

 

[GenMish]

http://www.liveleak.com/view?t=9laZo_1586643988

Ambulances queuing outside Moscow hospital overwhelmed with covid19 patients
"Russia was long spared but it looks like #COVID19 is starting to get out of control in Moscow. This is a an infectious disease hospital getting overstretched by people suffering from the virus"

[krimster2]

Caution!!
goats are loose and attacking Moby their favorite target, cuz he's British and has a typical British demeanor...

I on the other hand, DO NOT....
I rescued my cousins in Rochdale from a gang by giving their leaders an ass kicking that landed me in trouble with the local constabulary, because I tend to fight rather viciously and I'm VERY good at it
because I was a foreigner I was able to easily slip away from the Bobbies
I ain't afraid to fight, in fact just the opposite
so if there's any dumb ass here who wants to take me on, then step right up, I'm your huckleberry!!

[Maxx2]

I generally dislike Bill Maher but he nailed it


http://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=264&v=UcvIQJ-QurQ&feature=emb_logo

[jone]

FP, yes living in a hotspot does make the virus very 'live' and near.  According to some sentiments here, the paycheck to paycheck, payday loan crowd is well just that, nothing to worry too awful much about.  I say economic support should have been given from the bottom up to workers and small businesses first.  Big Biz can take care of itself.  Boeing can and should restructure, happens all the time. 17 Billion can feed and support a lot of these people who really need it and help the economy at the same time, instead of effectively paying for its mistakes and buybacks.  Airlines can restructure as well, for the better.  It will be a long time before all those unused planes are flying and even 58 Billion ain't going to be enough.  Want to buy a 737Max cheap? They can hardly give 'em away at cost.  Why support a lost cause for nought?

We are again protecting the top, leaving our most vulnerable behind for at least a couple years to come.  Some here seem to take the position that we should not give too much lest they get lazy and stick their noses up at low wages.  God forbid someone can survive on one job alone.

Every economic crisis results in companies slimming down, finding new ways to work more with less.  We are learning to work from home now, without offices and commutes.  Office space for rent?  Bad luck.  Gas station? Bad luck.  Three cars? what for and on and on.  I get the feeling unemployment is here to stay again for a long while.

One thing is sure, this itty bitty virus has brought all our little hidden defects to the forefront.

Little rant over

+1 BC

We've been moving quite rapidly towards a working climate that is decentralized.  I think this event accelerates this happening.   

[krimster2]

"We've been moving quite rapidly towards a working climate that is decentralized."

naaaa we ain't
cuz after 2024 whatever's left of the USA will head towards full state-run socialism as fast as it can
after next year the virus is gonna be the main fuel of class warfare in the USA
next summer the smoke is gonna get in your eyes

I will either be livin large in the forest surrounded by death traps of various kinds (shown here without camo netting to be invisible from ground and air)
or some so called elitny apartment in Skolkovo freezing my ass off

I'm planning on fire-proofing my roof and adding sprinkler systems on both floors during the off peak season, whenever that will be...
but even with a brick house I still don't plan on my family dying trying to defend it or the neighborhood...
so I'll evacuate them to the hidden tree house in the forest behind my house
while I fight a rear-guard action to protect their withdrawal
and then I come back to pick them off one-by-one

you can see a bit of "my forest of death" in background of my garden to feed kids pets

[msmob]

Caution!!
goats are loose and attacking Moby their favorite target, cuz he's British and has a typical British demeanor...

I on the other hand, DO NOT....
I rescued my cousins in Rochdale from a gang by giving their leaders an ass kicking that landed me in trouble with the local constabulary, because I tend to fight rather viciously and I'm VERY good at it
because I was a foreigner I was able to easily slip away from the Bobbies
I ain't afraid to fight, in fact just the opposite
so if there's any dumb ass here who wants to take me on, then step right up, I'm your huckleberry!!

Good evening, Krimster !

Thank for 'having my back' .. 


To me a 'G.O.A.T' is the Greatest ( racing driver) of all time ..   Most of the candidates are Brits... other than Fangio, Senna, Shumacher, Villeneuve, Fittipaldi, Prost and Lauda .. ( may be Mario Andretti ? )

Nashe kozi ni ponyil , mozhet bit ?

[krimster2]

spossiba moy droog

[krimster2]

this is the story of all about how
I ended up in an apocalypse now!!!

so...
in 2020 we had 3 peaks
peak 1 killed over 100,000
and when Republicans forced poor people back to work in May
we started a second peak 2 weeks later, but this one only went to about 70,000 people who were "as dead as a door nail" this time

the third peak was the worst, it started at the end of September in parallel with flu season
it was more than twice as long and twice as intense as the first peak
and killed about 500,000... there were mass graves everywhere until such reporting was banned

and because every single one of the 50 million US citizens who had the flu
thought they had Corona, as a consequence of that...
the US health care system crashed completely before they were halfway through the flu season
from the onslaught of both viruses simultaneously that created a perfect storm
a giant tsunami so big no one could ever imagine the size of it...
which also led to hundreds or perhaps thousands of deaths every day, even celebrities
from conditions that were normally medically treatable when the system was functioning...

and this was just year one....
what was left of the economy was left to face peak #4 in 2022 in year 2...
guess how many more years the USA lasts after that...
by lasts, I mean how much longer before no one gets their social security checks, or any mail at all any more...

do you rednecks really want to know, or do you prefer to live in denial?

the difference between me and you guys
was I was able to do the "when you can snatch the pebble from my hand"
first gawd damned try!!!  shoulda seen the freakin look on his face!!!
hahahahaha!!
volshebnick baby
just like the Jesuits trained "theirs"
Lubavitch always took mischlings like me for this, we're a special caste
Kabbalah numerologist/cryptologist and sometimes killer (hence I must be non-kosher to begin with, thus a mischling with a goy muter, cuz that's the rule)
when the apocalypse kicks in full
I will be free as a bird with absolutely no oversight by ANYONE, OMG!!!
and you are all little lambs to me
your fleece as white as snow
delicious...
hahahaha

DvaNosh Grozny

[BillyB]

Still, Trump should let the Governors take the lead, and his tweets undermine them. 

When this crisis started, liberals asked why didn't Trump lock down the whole nation. They said many people will die because of his blunder and Trump got the blame for what was happening in NY. Trump allowed the governors and local leaders make their own decisions. Now that some areas in America are showing improvement and Trump wants to get the States off federal government welfare, the liberals are complaining Trump wants to make all the decisions when the the governors have rights to make the decisions in their States. Go figure.

Why is 'Trampu' even still allowed to tweet ?  He should be locked up in a loonie bin, for his thoughtless brain farts

Who's going to stop him? When Reagan couldn't push his policies in Congress, he went on tv a lot to sell his ideas to the American public which in turned, call their local politicians to accept Reagan's policies. Obviously the media wasn't going to help Reagan so he addressed the nation on tv when he felt a need to tell his side of the story. Reagan has been nicknamed "The Great Communicator" and he will be remember in history as so. What will Trump be remembered as? The Great Tweeter?

http://www.liveleak.com/view?t=9laZo_1586643988

Ambulances queuing outside Moscow hospital overwhelmed with covid19 patients
"Russia was long spared but it looks like #COVID19 is starting to get out of control in Moscow. This is a an infectious disease hospital getting overstretched by people suffering from the virus"

Don't worry. The Russian government has a plan to keep the number of infections and deaths low. You will read about the low numbers in the reports they send to WHO.

[SteveInBoston]

I do understand your POV. I expect living in a hot spot certainly shapes that view. Nothing to substantiate this number but I am guessing 75-80% of the country (US) is not in a hot spot. Those flag waving idiots to which you refer are at this point just regular people of which whom many have not been able to work in now 5 weeks or more. Believe it or not, most of these people live paycheck to paycheck. The $1200 bucks helps very little. They're worried, tired, broke, deflated and hungry for food and more.

Business will take care of business given the green light to pursue, especially in the areas where infections are low. Distancing and other precautions can be observed while business and commerce is allowed to go. This isn't an "all or nothing" adventure IMO

This is the trap, isn't it?  Because infections are low, ppl assume the lockdown is a harsh measure, an overreaction.  They don't understand or appreciate that they are not a hot spot Because of the lockdown.   

When the lockdown is lifted, or if there was no lockdown, they become a hot spot.  Then ppl understand how serious this is because they experience it first hand, but it's too late.

[msmob]

Sill BillyB is responding to ME .. not Gator ..

Who's going to stop him? When Reagan couldn't push his policies in Congress, he went on tv a lot to sell his ideas to the American public which in turned, call their local politicians to accept Reagan's policies. Obviously the media wasn't going to help Reagan so he addressed the nation on tv when he felt a need to tell his side of the story. Reagan has been nicknamed "The Great Communicator" and he will be remember in history as so. What will Trump be remembered as? The Great Tweeter?

Give me Ronny Raygun over this imbecile bord with a silver spoon in his gob (and no manners), any day ..

[Faux Pas]

This is the trap, isn't it?  Because infections are low, ppl assume the lockdown is a harsh measure, an overreaction.  They don't understand or appreciate that they are not a hot spot Because of the lockdown.   

Not the way I see it. The lock down was needed in many places but, maybe it's served it's purpose? The healthcare system while still busy is far from overloaded. People are learning, taking precautions. Yeah people need and want to get back to work. The PPP and the $1200 stimulus is only going so far.  If everyone remains holed up, what next? Free money isn't going to fuel the economic engine IMO, it's going to take commerce on all levels. Business will take care of business given the opportunity

When the lockdown is lifted, or if there was no lockdown, they become a hot spot.  Then ppl understand how serious this is because they experience it first hand, but it's too late.

They've already experienced it first hand, no? There have been numerous states that didn't have a lock down and are not a hot spot. The medical community is going to get a firm grip on this virus. Do you suggest everyone sit home until they do?

[Trenchcoat]

Guys I wouldn't bother wasting good time arguing with that fool Moby, he's proved his stupidity countless times to show that he's not worth our while. Maybe we should have a quarentine area in this forum, a little exclamation mark could pop up everytime he wishes to comment and the we could click on it to decide whether we wish to let him comment or not


Anyway, an article out today about this virus seemingly having a higher mortality rate among black African and other ethnic groups:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52338101

Early in this thread I raised the idea that this might possibly be the case and it looks that it could be true.

Looks like Coronavirus is picking up in Africa at the moment and sh*t is already hitting the fan out there:

http://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thesun.co.uk/news/11427602/riots-looting-cape-town-coronavirus/amp/


Meanwhile here it looks like we are getting towards the peak of this virus, the first wave at least, 15,000 deaths and it will likely away in the coming days. More will clock up over time but all in all we're getting past the worst of it for the time being.

More pessimistic is the economic outlook. Unless we're lucky and things unexpectedly pick up after this, which can of course happen we could be amount to experience one hell of a global recession.

[tfcrew]

Carnival Executives Knew They Had a Virus Problem, But Kept the Party Going

 More than 1,500 people on the company’s cruise ships have been diagnosed with Covid-19, and dozens have died.
By Austin Carr and Chris Palmeri....
http://www.bloomberg.com/features/2020-carnival-cruise-coronavirus/?utm_source=pocket-newtab

[ML]

Just based on the health experience going back 50 years or so, I would never go on a cruise ship tour at any time.

Only idiots continue to go.

[SteveInBoston]

They've already experienced it first hand, no? There have been numerous states that didn't have a lock down and are not a hot spot. The medical community is going to get a firm grip on this virus. Do you suggest everyone sit home until they do?

Interesting point.

Take a look at local news from one of those states, Nebraska:

http://www.3newsnow.com/news/coronavirus/grand-island-is-nebraskas-hot-spot

There's a graph there, that shows the climb of coronavirus cases since April.  Nebraska had a slow start, but it seems to be starting their curve.

Let's compare the country of Georgia with South Dakota.  Georgia, which has a lockdown, with a population of 3+ million and density of 149 ppl per sq. mile, has 388 cases, 4 deaths, 86 recovered.

South Dakota, that has no lockdown, with a population of almost 900 thousand, with a density of 11.3 ppl per sq. mile, has 1542
cases, 7 deaths, and 552 recovered.


Again, like with the virus outbreak at the start in NY, NJ, MA, no one took it that seriously.  NY's outbreak put a scare in MA, which shut down in March. 

Those 7 states with are just starting their cycle.  Because they don't see it as serious, yet, they are treating it as the same as the lockdown states initially responded.

[BillyB]

Here is an excellent reason why it's important for government to lock us down before things get out of control exponentially....

As of April 15, Italy has 120 doctors dead from coronavirus. Article below does not include other medical personnel. Ten percent of the infected in the country are doctors, said Italy’s National Federation of Doctors Guilds FNOMCEO. That seems high but if true, that means there are over 17,000 doctors in Italy infected as of today. It's safe to assume, tens of thousands of Italian medical workers are out of the battle and when there is less medical personnel, the chance of patients to die increases.

http://report.az/en/other-countries/italy-loses-120-doctors/

Many of us may go back to work soon but there is a good chance we will be told to stay home again whenever there is a spike in infections where we live.

[Gator]

Let's compare the country of Georgia with South Dakota.  Georgia, which has a lockdown, with a population of 3+ million and density of 149 ppl per sq. mile, has 388 cases, 4 deaths, 86 recovered.

South Dakota, that has no lockdown, with a population of almost 900 thousand, with a density of 11.3 ppl per sq. mile, has 1542
cases, 7 deaths, and 552 recovered.

Is Georgia isolating and eliminating the disease, or delaying the inevitable?

[Faux Pas]

Interesting point.

Take a look at local news from one of those states, Nebraska:

http://www.3newsnow.com/news/coronavirus/grand-island-is-nebraskas-hot-spot

There's a graph there, that shows the climb of coronavirus cases since April.  Nebraska had a slow start, but it seems to be starting their curve.

It's unfortunate. I spent some time in Grand Island a couple of years ago. Are you implying if we don't continue to lock down everywhere will be a hot spot? Nothing I've seen would indicate that. Personally I think we can return to business (note, I'm not saying normal) Normal is likely gone for the foreseeable future or until the medical community has a better grip on the virus

Let's compare the country of Georgia with South Dakota.  Georgia, which has a lockdown, with a population of 3+ million and density of 149 ppl per sq. mile, has 388 cases, 4 deaths, 86 recovered.

South Dakota, that has no lockdown, with a population of almost 900 thousand, with a density of 11.3 ppl per sq. mile, has 1542
cases, 7 deaths, and 552 recovered.


Again, like with the virus outbreak at the start in NY, NJ, MA, no one took it that seriously.  NY's outbreak put a scare in MA, which shut down in March. 

Those 7 states with are just starting their cycle.  Because they don't see it as serious, yet, they are treating it as the same as the lockdown states initially responded.

I wouldn't think you're comparing apples to apples with that one. Those states that haven't locked down still see it as serious. How could they not? They're taking precautions. Will they have a hot spot? Who knows, it's not a given that they will. We do know I think that a lock down slows it but it doesn't stop it. Do we wait it out another month, two months or 3? People are right now lining up now for free food, depending on the government just to eat. This is after 4 weeks. Do you think it'll improve with 4-8 more weeks of lock down? Everyone that gets it isn't dying and not everyone gets it.

[krimster2]

"I would never go on a cruise ship tour at any time."

isn't the USA just a big cruise ship now?
don't wanna make the numbers look bad
instead we should track the number of people who don't have the virus and announce that