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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #975 on: November 11, 2014, 12:06:21 PM »
Putin tries to give Obama a back rub, gets no love in return:


http://mashable.com/2014/11/11/putin-obama-icy-meeting/
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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #976 on: November 11, 2014, 12:14:17 PM »
7 months in the life of Russia's most poluted city:



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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #977 on: November 11, 2014, 01:39:16 PM »
Norilsk...just another site of Muscovite persecution of non-Muscovites, particularly Ukrainians, in the nearly one century since the atrocious bolshevik political and social experiment began its genocidal crimes against non-'Russian' ethnic populations unfortunately situated inside its imperial borders:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norilsk_uprising

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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #979 on: November 11, 2014, 07:10:11 PM »

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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #980 on: November 12, 2014, 01:58:48 AM »
Putin's body language makes him look desperate to me.  The Chinese leader is truly in charge and looks like the Master, Putin his lackey hoping for loans and other desperation measures to save his economy.

Look for Putin to get slammed really bad at the G20.

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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #981 on: November 12, 2014, 02:00:26 AM »
Norilsk...just another site of Muscovite persecution of non-Muscovites, particularly Ukrainians, in the nearly one century since the atrocious bolshevik political and social experiment began its genocidal crimes against non-'Russian' ethnic populations unfortunately situated inside its imperial borders:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norilsk_uprising

Well put, I agree completely.  When you really look at Russian chauvinism you see very similar traits to Nazi racial ideaology of alleged supperiority.
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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #982 on: November 12, 2014, 05:20:34 PM »
I guess the man with the forbidden name hit on top Chinaman's wife. awkward

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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #983 on: November 12, 2014, 05:51:36 PM »
I didn't realise Putler is shorter than the Chinese president until now.
The whole thing looks like he is over there to pay homage to his Chinese overlords.
Difficult thing to swallow for the Russian pride...

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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #984 on: November 12, 2014, 07:17:47 PM »
I guess the man with the forbidden name hit on top Chinaman's wife.

Sorry but I do not follow.  Who is that?

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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #985 on: November 12, 2014, 09:01:40 PM »
Yeah, that statement is baffling.

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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #987 on: November 12, 2014, 10:52:43 PM »
So by putting a shawl on her means that he was hitting on her?  :o

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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #988 on: November 12, 2014, 11:25:34 PM »
So by putting a shawl on her means that he was hitting on her?  :o

Apparently the Chinese press was all over it, not really sure why.

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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #989 on: November 13, 2014, 01:34:40 AM »
Strange reactions. I thought it was just a gentlemanly action. ( Yah it galls me to say that about him)  :wallbash:

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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #990 on: November 13, 2014, 09:00:13 AM »
One dict jealous of another

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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #991 on: November 15, 2014, 12:17:58 PM »
Putin’s Disinformation Matrix
The Kremlin’s English-language TV organ offers Britain its signature blend of propaganda and tinfoil-hat conspiracy theorizing.

Russia Today, the Kremlin’s English-language TV organ, launched a U.K. edition earlier this month. Headquartered near Westminster, the channel will beam RT’s signature blend of propaganda and tinfoil-hat conspiracy theorizing into millions of British homes.

Welcome to Vladimir Putin ’s disinformation matrix. RT is merely one part of the Kremlin’s aggressive media effort, as a new Institute of Modern Russia report shows. Other techniques include mobilizing thousands of online “trolls,” cultivating sympathetic political cranks abroad, and exploiting Western freedom of speech and the Western model of public diplomacy to advance Moscow’s illiberal aims.

Founded in 2005, RT has an estimated $300 million budget, according to Institute of Modern Russia authors Peter Pomerantsev and Michael Weiss. It broadcasts in English, Arabic and Spanish, and there are plans to expand into French and German, the authors say. “The channel can now reach 600 million people globally and 3 million hotel rooms across the world,” Messrs. Pomerantsev and Weiss write. RT says its content has received a billion views on YouTube, making it one of the video platform’s most-watched channels.

Unlike Kremlin propaganda during the Cold War, which at least strived for communist consistency, RT is ideologically promiscuous and “hybridic,” the authors say. The channel might feature a far-right Holocaust denier opining on the Middle East and the next minute invite a far-left British MP to discuss Ukraine. “Whereas the Soviets once co-opted and repurposed concepts such as ‘democracy,’ ‘human rights’ and ‘sovereignty’ to mask their opposites, the Putinists use them playfully to suggest that not even the West really believes them.” The point is rarely to persuade. It is to muddle and confuse.

The impact of such efforts in large and diverse media markets, such as the U.S. and the U.K., is questionable. In America, Britain, France and Germany, Russian propagandists must compete with dozens of other print, broadcast and digital outlets. RT segments and Web content on how former Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz planned 9/11 or how the U.S. created Ebola are self-discrediting, though they will always find some credulous viewers.

Vulnerable states on Europe’s eastern periphery and in the South Caucasus are a different matter. Kremlin voices can play an outsize role there in tilting public opinion Mr. Putin’s way. By quickly framing Ukraine’s pro-democracy uprising as a “Nazi” movement, Moscow put Kiev on the defensive, forcing the Ukrainian government to expend enormous efforts to rebut that smear among ethnic-Russian citizens. As Lithuanian Foreign Minister Linas Linkevicius said in March, “Russia Today’s propaganda machine is no less destructive than military marching in Crimea.”

Propaganda is closely integrated with the Kremlin’s model of ambiguous warfare, which relies on rapid action, covert troops, the creation of a digital fog of war, and inflaming ethnic and sectarian tensions. Western governments shouldn’t overreact to RT’s presence in the West. But they can take the opportunity to revamp and modernize their own public diplomacy, targeting ethnic-Russian audiences to ensure that accurate reporting stands a chance amid the blizzard of Moscow’s lies.


http://online.wsj.com/articles/putins-disinformation-matrix-1416009418?KEYWORDS=putin%27s+disinformation+matrix
To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason, and whose philosophy consists in holding humanity in contempt, is like administering medicine to the dead. Thomas Paine - The American Crisis 1776-1783

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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #992 on: November 18, 2014, 10:25:33 PM »
Here's a great article that hopefully will cause Russians to think about the flase information that they are getting from Moscow. It's horrific. How can Russians accept this nonsense? Please read the article.

   a quote from the article:
'...Meanwhile the (Russian)TV goes on showing images of Nazis killing Russians and Jews during World War II and drawing parallels between Nazi Germany and Ukraine today...'
see:
http://www.businessinsider.com/russias-showdown-with-west-will-worsen-2014-11

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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #993 on: November 18, 2014, 10:29:11 PM »
I didn't realise Putler is shorter than the Chinese president until now.
The whole thing looks like he is over there to pay homage to his Chinese overlords.
Difficult thing to swallow for the Russian pride...


Moscow was once ruled by Mongols.  If I was alive 100 years from now, I would not be really surprised if the Chinese were in charge of it, based on the direction Putler has been taking his country.

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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #994 on: November 18, 2014, 11:12:52 PM »
Here's a great article that hopefully will cause Russians to think about the flase information that they are getting from Moscow. It's horrific. How can Russians accept this nonsense?

It's simple they blame it on Russian Character! Blindly follow no matter the reason. 

But this is what we call русский характер. [ Russian character]You can do nothing with it. I mean NOTHING

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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #995 on: November 19, 2014, 01:17:34 PM »
 Tell me, what is the number one product of mass consumption in Russia?

  Putin’s lies.  :rolleyes:

  Why not vodka?


  Because fewer people consume vodka.  :cluebat:

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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #996 on: November 19, 2014, 01:25:02 PM »
from the article, some horrific ideas from Girkin, a native of Moscow:

'...Girkin has repeated the assertion made by Putin to western leaders that Ukraine is not really a country. So, the officer told Neyromir TV last month, “Ideally the future would be the reuniting of all the Russian people—for Ukraine, Belarus and Russia to be one country.”...'

http://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/new-atlanticist/russians-once-secretive-commander-in-ukraine-is-on-the-air

Russian citizens -please read this.

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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #997 on: November 20, 2014, 08:46:30 PM »
The President has signed the Decrees on Annual Celebration of the Day of Dignity and Freedom on November 21 and the Day of Unity of Ukraine on January 22.

Can you imagine Putin creating a holiday celebrating "freedom' or 'dignity'?
he would probably choose 'respect' or 'power' or 'intimidation'.
Putin's Day of Intimidation. I think the celebrating of 'freedom' and 'dignity' say a lot about the new government in Kiev. They have difficult fight against corruption and Russia's dictatorship.

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« Reply #998 on: November 20, 2014, 08:58:49 PM »

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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #999 on: November 22, 2014, 09:41:13 AM »
Reuters article:

I came across this article. An excerpt:

MOSCOW (Reuters) - Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov accused the West on Saturday of trying to use sanctions imposed on Moscow in the Ukraine crisis to seek "regime change" in Russia.

Read more: 
http://www.businessinsider.com/r-lavrov-accuses-west-of-seeking-regime-change-in-russia--2014-11#ixzz3JoWOxa3C

That got me thinking about the 'regime' in Moscow. The regime is a huge factor
in Russia's war with Ukraine. It comes down to a few factors:

1- Russia is a dictatorship, while Ukraine is a newborn democracy
2- Putin's personality- feeling disrespected, rejected, and insulted by the new
   government in Kiev. Putin comes across as an immature bully, locked into 1985
3- Russia's entitlement to OWNERSHIP of Ukraine (and Belarus? Georgia? Estonia?..)

So there you have it. Point number one might be the biggest factor because history has shown that one democracy has never attacked another democracy. In this current war we have one dictatorship attacking a democracy. The dictatorship poses as a democracy, but is really a pseudo-democracy. When will Russia grow into being a true democracy? Will Russia attempt reform?

 

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