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Title: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: noelscot on July 23, 2011, 03:34:22 PM
To the Russian Ladies on the board,


What is the "right" answer to the aforementioned question? To me the question has subtext of "What is this man's defect?"


Thanks.

Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Vincenzo on July 23, 2011, 05:34:14 PM
Say the name "Donna Simpson".

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2011437/Worlds-fattest-mother-Donna-Simpsons-daughter-4-feeder.html?ito=feeds-newsxml
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2010/12/26/feeling-stuffed-this-is-what-46-st-fattest-woman-in-the-world-ate-for-christmas-115875-22808062/

(http://images.mirror.co.uk/upl/m4/dec2010/3/6/image-1-for-sunday-paper-26-12-2010-gallery-257361260.jpg)

Ok, she weighs 600lb  spends $750 a week to buy food.

Whom is she looking for?
"He must be handsome, slim, and at least 10 years younger than me."
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Steamer on July 23, 2011, 05:59:53 PM
I have never heard this question from a RW but I have heard it from many AW.
My answer is always "I did, in fact I even married one."
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Nat on July 24, 2011, 12:18:26 AM
To the Russian Ladies on the board,


What is the "right" answer to the aforementioned question?

I guess the women who ask this question expect the true answer, not a "right" one.
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Faux Pas on July 24, 2011, 06:56:09 AM
I guess the women who ask this question expect the true answer, not a "right" one.


IMO, excellent answer Nat and thanks for posting it.


noelscot, take advantage of every possible opportunity to be honest. If that has not previously been a part of your game, consider changing your game. Dishonesty or misleading might get you over the hump in the short term but, in the long run will lead to problems. If it's not the truth, it's lying.
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: ECOCKS on July 24, 2011, 06:57:51 AM
Possibly a reason similar to why you're looking at dating a WM.

Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Gator on July 24, 2011, 07:25:29 AM
I guess the women who ask this question expect the true answer, not a "right" one.

 
Beautiful answer from a sincere RW -straight to the heart of the matter. 
 :applaud:
 
Noelscot, you want to find a woman with whom communication is easy and interesting, and who is truthful with you and you with her.  Prepared answers are the opposite of this. 
 
So start with yourself.  Speak the truth.  If your truthful answers do not impress the woman favorably, it is good to discover this now.
 
My guess is that you still in the correspondence stage.  If true, you need to start talking on the phone/Skype so that your conversations can be spontaneous.
 
For now I give you two answers which were the truth for me:
 
 
Short Answer:
 
At this stage you don't know if you want to marry a RW.  You simply want very much to know more about RW, and if you met a woman who is ideal for you, and if you felt true love, you would happily marry her regardless of where she is from.
 
Long Answer:
 
You first became attracted to RW because the average RW who is interested in you is better looking in her photos than 85% of the AW who are interested in you.  Upon communicating with some RW you found them friendly, and as your communications progressed you discovered many RW differed from AW in subtle ways with regard to background, interests, and values.   On the whole you feel the differences not only charming but infatuating and apparently compatible with your life.  You feel you are a sophisticated man who could embrace a different culture, a different viewpoint. 
 
Your communications have advanced to the point of flying to the FSU to meet a RW.  [Insert Short Answer]  This will take time, yet you are ready to commit the time because marrying a woman is very serious, compounded by uprooting her to a new world.
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: noelscot on July 25, 2011, 08:33:39 PM

I believe credibility is the best policy, not necessarily honesty. But....


Nat, If I answered truthfully, I would say, "A couple guys at work married Russian women, and they seem happy with their choice."


ECOCKS, I did think about responding with, "That sounds like a great idea! Why don't I just go to the bar down the street and do just that?" lol 


Gator, yes, I am still in the correspondence stage. I don't lie to RW or to myself. This question was posed on a video/Skype call. You don't like prepared answers, but at the time the question was posed I didn't have one prepared. There was absolutely no segue to the question. A lot of these conversations are like going before a criminal prosecutor, and my disposition is to clam up and say nothing or change the subject if I have not prepared myself. I think it is one of those "Fail to plan, and you can plan to fail" sort of things. Those are some great answers, by the way.


Anyway, thanks to everyone for their input. 
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Lily on July 26, 2011, 06:15:21 AM
Say the name "Donna Simpson".

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2011437/Worlds-fattest-mother-Donna-Simpsons-daughter-4-feeder.html?ito=feeds-newsxml (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2011437/Worlds-fattest-mother-Donna-Simpsons-daughter-4-feeder.html?ito=feeds-newsxml)
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2010/12/26/feeling-stuffed-this-is-what-46-st-fattest-woman-in-the-world-ate-for-christmas-115875-22808062/ (http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2010/12/26/feeling-stuffed-this-is-what-46-st-fattest-woman-in-the-world-ate-for-christmas-115875-22808062/)

(http://images.mirror.co.uk/upl/m4/dec2010/3/6/image-1-for-sunday-paper-26-12-2010-gallery-257361260.jpg)

Ok, she weighs 600lb  spends $750 a week to buy food.

Whom is she looking for?
"He must be handsome, slim, and at least 10 years younger than me."

Vincenzo, this explanation looks plausible to me, but as a RW in Russia I would have a hard time believing it. A woman who is unattractive but who at the same time has this requirements for a man sounds rather unrealistic to me. Such woman must be a complete 'dura', out of her mind, which are relatively rare. In your answer however, you would want to rely on some significant number of then in the US. Again, hard time believing this.
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Jumper on July 26, 2011, 04:46:39 PM
 
Quote
"A couple guys at work married Russian women, and they seem happy with their choice."


I wouldn't think there is anything *wrong* with that answer,
and if it is indeed what spiked your interest ,I would think most RW would appreciate the honesty in the answer, as well as understand it raising your curiosity.


Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Voyager36 on July 26, 2011, 08:11:08 PM
To the Russian Ladies on the board, - "Why don't you just date an American woman?"

I asked a RW.
 
She says because she's not a lesbian.  :cluebat:
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Vincenzo on July 26, 2011, 08:50:46 PM
Vincenzo, this explanation looks plausible to me, but as a RW in Russia I would have a hard time believing it. A woman who is unattractive but who at the same time has this requirements for a man sounds rather unrealistic to me. Such woman must be a complete 'dura', out of her mind, which are relatively rare. In your answer however, you would want to rely on some significant number of then in the US. Again, hard time believing this.
You may not believe it, but she's already been married twice. Even she can easily find a decent guy.
Her ex. His father was a diplomat, he went to school with Obama.
(http://newsodrome.com/african_american_news/saturday-afternoon-funny-donna-simpson-600-pound-woman-who-wants-to-gain-more-weight-is-interviewed-on-howard-stern-18212685.jpg)
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Jooky on July 27, 2011, 02:28:17 AM
Come on...
 
Does anyone here think that Weekly World News freakshow is in any way representative of what's normal and available in the US?
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Muzh on July 27, 2011, 06:17:05 AM
That would be an affirmative, based on what the majority of guys say on these lists. Sour grapes if you ask me.
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Gator on July 27, 2011, 09:11:39 AM
Vincenzo,
 
You just ruined my lunch.   :(
 
And what percentage of AW in your social circle are similar to this unfortunate woman?
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Vincenzo on July 27, 2011, 04:02:57 PM
There is only 1 unmarried girl in my company, and she's a copy of this woman. Though, she has a Dutch boyfriend.

If an American girl is decent, she always has a boyfriend.
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Jooky on July 28, 2011, 02:55:30 AM
Quote
If an American girl is decent, she always has a boyfriend.

Vincenzo, have you had serious relationships in the US? Have you dated much there?
 
Have you dated women similar to that monstrosity you posted above? Have you even considered it?
 
I dated plenty in the US. Never did I even consider dating an unnattractive girl, let alone some morbidly obese woman. I agree that dating is easier in Russia, for several reasons, but the 'all the good ones are taken' excuse is lame. It's not that bad in the US. At some point all the 'taken' girls were single, right? And if 'all the decent girls are taken', they're taken by some other dude. So why not you?
 
 
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Faux Pas on July 28, 2011, 06:09:46 AM

Vincenzo, have you had serious relationships in the US? Have you dated much there?
 
Have you dated women similar to that monstrosity you posted above? Have you even considered it?
 
I dated plenty in the US. Never did I even consider dating an unnattractive girl, let alone some morbidly obese woman. I agree that dating is easier in Russia, for several reasons, but the 'all the good ones are taken' excuse is lame. It's not that bad in the US. At some point all the 'taken' girls were single, right? And if 'all the decent girls are taken', they're taken by some other dude. So why not you?


Jooky, I am not at all disagreeing with you only to add: There are many, many beautiful available women in the US. Proportionately, likely not as many as Russia but still many. Of course every one has their own idea as to beauty and attraction.


As for the big ole gal in the picture, there's plenty of those too. There are also plenty of men who prefer them. Not my cup of tea but, I do know a couple of guys that won't date anything but fat women and don't mind feeding them as much as they'll eat  ;D . Strange? No doubt but true nonetheless. Proof positive that there is a "butt for every bucket"
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: wicheese on July 28, 2011, 09:04:58 AM
I dated plenty in the US. Never did I even consider dating an unnattractive girl, let alone some morbidly obese woman. I agree that dating is easier in Russia, for several reasons, but the 'all the good ones are taken' excuse is lame. It's not that bad in the US. At some point all the 'taken' girls were single, right? And if 'all the decent girls are taken', they're taken by some other dude. So why not you?

I have to agree with what Jooky wrote, dating in the USA is not nearly as bad as many on these boards make it sound (at least it was not 18 months back before I decided to focus on my FSUW).    What I have seen from traveling there and also from hearing stories of people who have posted on these forums and shared there pictures:
 
1. Fat men who complain about fat WW have a chance to attract a thin attractive lady (the same could be said for generally unattractive men).
2. It's a lot easier to find someone who will accept a large age gap (in the USA it seems to be a pretty tight 5 years with the really attractive women having 0 as they look for a younger man).
3. A man who is socially inept when it comes to dating in his own country has a chance in the FSU because language barriers and cultural factors might shield these deficiencies. 
4. It seems like a lot of men rush to the FSU soon after a divorce which in a ways seems like a way of validating themselves, which does not seem to bother the typical FSUW who is looking overseas.
 
The bottom line is, we can be less than perfect, but still find what would be considered a top tier lady who is beyond what we normally could attract locally.  For myself, I have absolutely no problem telling anyone who asks why I looked in the FSU, it had everything to do with the ability to upgrade on the options I can attract in my corner of the world (not that there is anything wrong with those options, I just was a little greedy).
 
BTW, I'm not sure how many men run, but just go to a runners club or a major marathon and you'll find lots of attractive, thin, and often educated women (they just will not be too interested in the men sporting a nice Buddha belly).
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: GQBlues on July 28, 2011, 09:05:26 AM
There's something eery and sad in people's reality when the only social option left who'll give them the attention are those they humiliate and scorn.
 
Buyer beware...
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Vincenzo on July 28, 2011, 10:40:05 AM

Vincenzo, have you had serious relationships in the US? Have you dated much there?
 
Have you dated women similar to that monstrosity you posted above? Have you even considered it?
 
I dated plenty in the US. Never did I even consider dating an unnattractive girl, let alone some morbidly obese woman. I agree that dating is easier in Russia, for several reasons, but the 'all the good ones are taken' excuse is lame. It's not that bad in the US. At some point all the 'taken' girls were single, right? And if 'all the decent girls are taken', they're taken by some other dude. So why not you?
I've dated.

The word "dated" has million variations. It seems to me that it has very different meanings in the US and Russia.
If a Russian girl dates me, it means something. She likes me and tries to evaluate me as a potential life partner. She doesn't have a pool of suitors behind the door, I'm the only one. I have to behave similarly.

When an American woman wants to "date" you, it often means that she already has a boyfriend who is really a sex friend. Gross!

Maybe, something is wrong with me. In Russia, many girls make an eye contact with me, never in the USA except muchachas.
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Lily on July 28, 2011, 11:36:24 AM


When an American woman wants to "date" you, it often means that she already has a boyfriend who is really a sex friend. Gross!

Maybe, something is wrong with me. In Russia, many girls make an eye contact with me, never in the USA except muchachas.

Is this really a behavior of an AW? I would like to know, because as soon as I now live in Canada, I may be perceived by WM just like they perceive their usual AW.

Where can I read about how WW behave at dating?
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Boethius on July 28, 2011, 11:43:16 AM
It is an overgeneralization, Lily, just as was Vincenzo's posting of a 600 lb woman as an example of AW.  There are not too many 600 lb women, even in the U.S.

If you really want to know how WW date, visit a women's forum.  You will get far more insight into what you are looking for than you ever will here.
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Lily on July 28, 2011, 11:44:32 AM
I see, thanks Boethius :)
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Nat on July 28, 2011, 11:48:24 AM
Nat, If I answered truthfully, I would say, "A couple guys at work married Russian women, and they seem happy with their choice."

Well, you can use this answer - there's nothing wrong with it :)

Come on...
 
Does anyone here think that Weekly World News freakshow is in any way representative of what's normal and available in the US?

Exactly.

wicheese, great post! :)
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: possum on July 28, 2011, 11:58:23 AM
I'm hot for her fat rolls.. If all AW are like her, I'm there!! :-*
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Jooky on July 28, 2011, 12:09:56 PM
It seems to me that it has very different meanings in the US and Russia. 

 
Nope, it's about the same and depends on the person.
 
You can find Russian women with a line of suitors (just read any story here about agency pro-daters), you can find Russian women with f* friends, just like in the US and you can find married or 'committed' women searching for foreign men.
 
When it comes to dating, love and marriage there are always unusual cases. Here's an example: I was watching Hoarders today with my girlfriend and she told me a story about a girl she knows. This girl is pushing obese and a hoarder slob, but despite all the competition she managed to land a tall, handsome well off boyfriend in Russia.
 
So just like the 'fattest mother' there is always the unusual, but that's not the norm. Like I posted above, I do think it's easier to date in Russia than in the US, but you need to have your feet on the ground. If you truly believe all the negative exaggerations about US women, you can easily be taken for a ride.
 


 
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Jooky on July 28, 2011, 12:11:21 PM
Possum, don't worry! They just opened a Carl's Jr. in Novosibirsk! Soon enough you won't have to look to the US for those tasty fat rolls.  :P
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: possum on July 28, 2011, 12:13:47 PM
Possum, don't worry! They just opened a Carl's Jr. in Novosibirsk! Soon enough you won't have to look to the US for those tasty fat rolls.  :P

Good.. I like to be able to grab my women, ya know what I'm sayin'? The bigger they are the more to love..
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Muzh on July 28, 2011, 12:37:20 PM
Good.. I like to be able to grab my women, ya know what I'm sayin'? The bigger they are the more to love..

Nothing like swimming in the fat, huh?  ;)
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: possum on July 28, 2011, 12:41:21 PM

Nothing like swimming in the fat, huh?  ;)

Nothing like disappearing in them fat rolls.. :)
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Muzh on July 28, 2011, 12:54:10 PM
Nothing like disappearing in them fat rolls.. :)

Yum!
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Gator on July 28, 2011, 02:08:27 PM
Nothing like disappearing in them fat rolls.. :)

Possum, be careful.   Many AM have become entrapped in an air lock during foreplay with obese women.      :)     The woman becomes excited by the struggling motion of the man and she clamps her thighs even tighter, eventually suffocating the man. 
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: noelscot on July 28, 2011, 03:29:05 PM
Is this really a behavior of an AW? I would like to know, because as soon as I now live in Canada, I may be perceived by WM just like they perceive their usual AW.

Where can I read about how WW behave at dating?

I'd like to also add that it is cultural relativism for someone to argue that AW and RW are somehow drastically different. Of course, they vary, but both AW and RW still have the same intrinsic human nature.  Men are the same here, too. Men only have one thing on their mind and are lying if they say otherwise.
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Faux Pas on July 28, 2011, 06:47:33 PM
Good.. I like to be able to grab my women, ya know what I'm sayin'? The bigger they are the more to love..


I can't tell if you are being facetious or really mean that.


A quick story: Several years ago friend of mine had a band and were playing in a distant town. He asked me to ride along and I accepted. I didn't have any idea about the place we were going and didn't really care.  But, when we got there and they piled in I was really surprised. Let me preface with, this is Arkansas and there are many "corn-fed" women. The place was small and roughly 25 women were there with about that many men. Of the 25 women at least 15 of them weighted 250+ and some would had dressed out 100 pounds heavier than that. Most all of them had boyfriends or husbands with them and most all of the husbands seemed to be extremely jealous. Catering to their every whim and hanging on for deal life. If it wasn't so funny it would be sad. The one commonality between those husbands, it seemed the were almost all small stature and slim and appeared younger.


I had never seen anything such as that before. The more attractive ladies were all without dates and available. This struck me as very odd. At least for the places I had been. Very strange.


I had never seen so many obese women in one club and almost all with a man while the slender attractive ones didn't
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Misha on July 28, 2011, 08:02:41 PM
It seems to me that it has very different meanings in the US and Russia.
If a Russian girl dates me, it means something. She likes me and tries to evaluate me as a potential life partner. She doesn't have a pool of suitors behind the door, I'm the only one. I have to behave similarly.


This would apply to most women in Canada who are dating and would not apply to all Russian women.

Quote
When an American woman wants to "date" you, it often means that she already has a boyfriend who is really a sex friend.


I have to disappoint you, but not all Russian women are as you imagine them to be. Some cheat on their boyfriends, some cheat on their husbands, some also will have a endless series of one-night stands....
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Vincenzo on July 28, 2011, 08:49:51 PM
It's strange. Most romantic female roles in American movies are played by foreign actresses. Where are American girls?

The last movies I've seen:
Black Swan - Portman from Israel, Kunis from the Ukraine
The Adjustment Bureau - a British girl

The previous Bond Girl - from the Ukraine.
A new Bond Girl - from Russia
Margarita Levieva, 31

What the hell? Now everybody will go to Russia for his own Bond Girl.
(http://www.exposay.com/celebrity-photos/margarita-levieva-lincoln-lawyer-los-angeles-GHIJKE.jpg)



Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: possum on July 28, 2011, 11:25:29 PM

I can't tell if you are being facetious or really mean that.


A quick story: Several years ago friend of mine had a band and were playing in a distant town. He asked me to ride along and I accepted. I didn't have any idea about the place we were going and didn't really care.  But, when we got there and they piled in I was really surprised. Let me preface with, this is Arkansas and there are many "corn-fed" women. The place was small and roughly 25 women were there with about that many men. Of the 25 women at least 15 of them weighted 250+ and some would had dressed out 100 pounds heavier than that. Most all of them had boyfriends or husbands with them and most all of the husbands seemed to be extremely jealous. Catering to their every whim and hanging on for deal life. If it wasn't so funny it would be sad. The one commonality between those husbands, it seemed the were almost all small stature and slim and appeared younger.


I had never seen anything such as that before. The more attractive ladies were all without dates and available. This struck me as very odd. At least for the places I had been. Very strange.


I had never seen so many obese women in one club and almost all with a man while the slender attractive ones didn't

I know a couple in Kansas just like you described.. The husband is tall and very slim, doesn't have any obvious defects and looks like a regular guy.. but the wife is at least a foot shorter than him, has a muffin top and on top of that another roll, and another one on top of that one.. You couldn't tell where her legs end and her shoulders begin. They are roughly the same age, but she looks at least 7 years older than him, although I suspect it's the other way around. She puts it down to 'baby fat', but her kids are in school now :rolleyes:
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: possum on July 28, 2011, 11:33:45 PM

Possum, be careful.   Many AM have become entrapped in an air lock during foreplay with obese women.      :)     The woman becomes excited by the struggling motion of the man and she clamps her thighs even tighter, eventually suffocating the man.

Yes, death by fat seems to be the most common sexual freak accident in the US.. :D

On a serious note, I bet if men refused to go near these shapeless blobs of fat, obesity would be overcome in five years, tops..
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: possum on July 28, 2011, 11:39:51 PM

Yum!

Yup.. nothing like propping the 'tummy' to get to the sweet parts.. :tmi: :rolleyes:
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Maxx2 on July 29, 2011, 12:02:22 AM
Emma Stone is hot.
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Boethius on July 29, 2011, 12:04:46 AM
On a serious note, I bet if men refused to go near these shapeless blobs of fat, obesity would be overcome in five years, tops..

Not that simple.  Plus, there are men who prefer large women.
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: possum on July 29, 2011, 12:10:43 AM

Not that simple.  Plus, there are men who prefer large women.

Those men are in the minority.. Most AM settle for fat women because the slim women are already taken/out of their league/nowhere to be found.. ;)
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Boethius on July 29, 2011, 12:13:26 AM
Hmm, I'm not so sure of that.  Women do in fact, lose weight to attract men.  When I look around, most overweight women are middle aged, there aren't really too many large young women.
 
 
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: possum on July 29, 2011, 12:33:00 AM
Hmm, I'm not so sure of that.  Women do in fact, lose weight to attract men.  When I look around, most overweight women are middle aged, there aren't really too many large young women.

And yet I know of at least one extremely obese Canadian chick who is younger than me. :D I don't ever see girls in my age group who are obese. Some are overweight, sure (and they tend to be married with children), but nothing like you'll see in Canada or the US. :o
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Boethius on July 29, 2011, 12:48:42 AM
But I did see lots of large women in Ukraine. 
 
Honestly, I rarely see morbidly obese young women here. 
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Gator on July 29, 2011, 06:16:36 AM
On a serious note, I bet if men refused to go near these shapeless blobs of fat, obesity would be overcome in five years, tops..

 
This is similar to Warren Buffet's suggestion for balancing the nation's budget:
 
Quote

"I could end the deficit in 5 minutes," he told CNBC. "You just pass a law that says that anytime there is a deficit of more than 3% of GDP, all
sitting members of Congress are ineligible for re-election."

However, as Boethius wrote, there are men who like large women. Many of these men are just as fat as the women.  Many of these women perhaps are asexual.  I don't know.  I have never been with a fat woman as there were always plenty of shapely women to date.
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Misha on July 29, 2011, 06:21:39 AM
Some are overweight, sure (and they tend to be married with children), but nothing like you'll see in Canada or the US. :o

Go hang around a Canadian university campus or other locale that attracts young women in their early twenties from the middle class. You'll see that the young women there in their early twenties are quite slim. Women who are obese are actually quite rare in this age group and class.
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: possum on July 29, 2011, 06:29:52 AM
Go hang around a Canadian university campus or other locale that attracts young women in their early twenties from the middle class. You'll see that the young women there in their early twenties are quite slim. Women who are obese are actually quite rare in this age group and class.

Nah, I think I'll stick to malls and sporting events.. ;D
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Gator on July 29, 2011, 06:31:39 AM
I know a couple in Kansas just like you described.. The husband is tall and very slim, doesn't have any obvious defects and looks like a regular guy.. but the wife is at least a foot shorter than him, has a muffin top and on top of that another roll, and another one on top of that one.. You couldn't tell where her legs end and her shoulders begin. They are roughly the same age, but she looks at least 7 years older than him, although I suspect it's the other way around. She puts it down to 'baby fat', but her kids are in school now :rolleyes:

I have seen this a lot.  Such a woman was quite possibly one of the most popular girls in high school.  Why?  She was short but had large breasts.  And she had an outgoing, kind personality.  Her husband was her boyfriend then and he thought he was in heaven with such a rack.  And many guys were jealous. 
 
Things change.  The genetics that sprouted large breasts later worked to add weight in her 20s and 30s, especially after children.   To stay in shape she had to work much harder at it than women who were tall and had small breasts in high school.   And that easy going personality meant she did not want to put in the extra effort.   And her husband after all these years loves the person regardless of the body.   
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Muzh on July 29, 2011, 07:45:36 AM
Yup.. nothing like propping the 'tummy' to get to the sweet parts.. :tmi: :rolleyes:

LMFAO
 
Please stop. People around my desk are wondering what the hell is going on.
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: BillyB on July 29, 2011, 08:05:58 AM

I have seen this a lot.  Such a woman was quite possibly one of the most popular girls in high school.  Why?  She was short but had large breasts

The only large breasts I like is on average build to slim looking women such as on Yulia Nova who is a big RW model in Japan.

http://www.myspace.com/yulia_nova_/photos/2728271#%7B%22ImageId%22%3A901149%7D (http://www.myspace.com/yulia_nova_/photos/2728271#%7B%22ImageId%22%3A901149%7D)

I don't specifically target women with big breasts because I realize that later in life they have an increased chance gaining weight and in turn I'll be turned off to them physically. I can admire even small breasts on a woman. What is important to me is shape, not size.

You are correct that big breasts make women hugely more popular with the men. On RW dating sites where the views of a woman's profile is listed and sometimes even the number of times her profile is put on a man's favorite list, it is easy to see an average looking woman with huge breasts gets more views and put on favorite lists than a beautiful looking women with average sized  or small breasts.
If you are a RW and reading this, take note! One reason bad girls get more attention than good girls is because they know how to show off their assets no matter how much or little they have.
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: wicheese on July 29, 2011, 09:59:05 AM
Go hang around a Canadian university campus or other locale that attracts young women in their early twenties from the middle class. You'll see that the young women there in their early twenties are quite slim. Women who are obese are actually quite rare in this age group and class.


This relates to something I have been saying for years, essentially there is a correlation between age and beauty (with it heavily favoring the young), still the middle aged AW does seem to gain more weight than their RW counterparts, but the RW are catching up.  Also, try this one for an exercise, get on a dating site like match.com and do a search on women over 40 who speak Russian and you will be surprised at what you find, the average lady (typically a transplant from the FSU) is NOT better looking and often heavier than her American born counterpart. 


What masks things for most men looking in the FSU is that we are usually looking for much younger women as I bet most men in their 50's and 60's are looking for someone in their 30's or younger.  So it should be taken for granted that they'll be thinner and probably more attractive than what we could attract in the USA as that women will typically be much closer to our age and in some of our cases it's not very young (in my case, I'm 46). 
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Misha on July 29, 2011, 10:06:08 AM
What masks things for most men looking in the FSU is that we are usually looking for much younger women as I bet most men in their 50's and 60's are looking for someone in their 30's or younger.

Exactly! You can't compare women in their 40s and 50s, whether in North America or Russia, with women in their 20s and early 30s and expect them to be on average as thin and attractive. Likewise, the same could be said of men  :-X
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Misha on July 29, 2011, 10:28:42 AM
I don't specifically target women with big breasts because I realize that later in life they have an increased chance gaining weight ...

Some men live for the moment and don't worry too much about what may happen in 10, 20 or 30 years  >:D
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: vwrw on July 29, 2011, 10:33:28 AM
  Also, try this one for an exercise, get on a dating site like match.com and do a search on women over 40 who speak Russian and you will be surprised at what you find, the average lady (typically a transplant from the FSU) is NOT better looking and often heavier than her American born counterpart. 



I followed your suggestion and searched for the ladies speaking Russian, all over America, in the age range from 40 to 60. The result was 23 women, most of which seem slender and are hardly bigger than size 6.
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: vwrw on July 29, 2011, 10:38:10 AM

 I bet most men in their 50's and 60's are looking for someone in their 30's or younger. 
According to a survey, the mode age difference in international marriages was 8 years. Dan will correct me if I am wrong. Therefore, I do not think most men are looking for someone 30 years their junior.
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Misha on July 29, 2011, 10:45:53 AM

I followed your suggestion and searched for the ladies speaking Russian, all over America, in the age range from 40 to 60. The result was 23 women, most of which seem slender and are hardly bigger than size 6.

Match.com wants me to sign up before I can look at any of the profiles. However, looking at mamba and searching for women in the United States between the ages of 40 and 50, I can confirm that it is not that hard to find women who will be much larger than a size six  :-X
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: vwrw on July 29, 2011, 10:52:46 AM
The assertion that large breasted women tend to become huge with age does not verify against my observations. During the course of my life I have met too many large breasted RW those size does not exceeded # 6 even after they had thier children.

I understand why some would conclude that large breasted women tend to become huge…they see obese women having large breasts and think there is a causation link between size of breast and obesity. In fact, there is only correlation and  breasts enlarge as women get fat. Had these obese women lost their weight , the size of their breast would significantly decrease, and they would become small breasted, thin women with a lot of unnecessary skin though.
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: BC on July 29, 2011, 11:02:27 AM
Match.com is hardly good to judge representation.

During a 3 week visit to the US we met at least one slim, good looking FSUW per week that was 'available' and we were not even looking.

Gotta be nuts to get on a plane.  I personally would favor a woman that has already immigrated and knows the 'lay of the land'.
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: vwrw on July 29, 2011, 11:09:44 AM
I myself am 32 y.o  and have D size . If the theory of large breasts were true, I should be fat by now.  Yet even after living in America for 4 years, very comfortable life without much stress or rushing around,  very few people would characterize me as fat, I think.
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Misha on July 29, 2011, 11:19:51 AM
Match.com is hardly good to judge representation.

During a 3 week visit to the US we met at least one slim, good looking FSUW per week that was 'available' and we were not even looking.

Gotta be nuts to get on a plane.  I personally would favor a woman that has already immigrated and knows the 'lay of the land'.

Let me guess, they were either in New York or Miami or Los Angeles. I wager they would be no likely to move than any other woman in such cities  :-X
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: GQBlues on July 29, 2011, 11:22:12 AM
...What masks things for most men looking in the FSU is that we are usually looking for much younger women as I bet most men in their 50's and 60's are looking for someone in their 30's or younger....

Exactly. We had this very same discussion not too long ago. Men 50 yo+ will undoubtedly compare 20-30 yo FSUWs vs. 45-50 yo AWs. The only real difference is younger women anywhere will be prettier than older women. Regardless of nationality. Any dirty old man anywhere will definitely agree with me on this one. The MOB allows for this reality.
 
One other thing one has to keep in mind, foreign women, for the most part, will be naive to many of the things these men are capable of doing. Just like these 2 Bulgarian women (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/43941382#43941382), whereas AWs, for the most part, steer clear away from these jerkos...
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: wicheese on July 29, 2011, 11:48:07 AM
According to a survey, the mode age difference in international marriages was 8 years. Dan will correct me if I am wrong. Therefore, I do not think most men are looking for someone 30 years their junior.

Who one ends up with (age difference) and who one looks for when doing an intial search can be entirely different as it takes a little time to reality to smack a person in the face.  Plus, what was the sample size and margin for error in the survey as most that are taken on sites like these (which only a very small percentage of men in the FSU pursuit take part in) may not always be the most accurate, but are used because there are no other statistics available
 
BTW, how many years younger are you than your partner, as a point of reference, as I thought it was more than 20 (in my case it's 11 years)?
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: BC on July 29, 2011, 11:51:00 AM
Let me guess, they were either in New York or Miami or Los Angeles. I wager they would be no likely to move than any other woman in such cities  :-X

No, North Carolina - all the vacation areas are full of FSUW.
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Muzh on July 29, 2011, 11:51:30 AM
I myself am 32 y.o  and have D size . If the theory of large breasts were true, I should be fat by now.  Yet even after living in America for 4 years, very comfortable life without much stress or rushing around,  very few people would characterize me as fat, I think.
here is a last week photo.

TG is one lucky guy!   :clapping:
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Gator on July 29, 2011, 11:56:27 AM
The assertion that large breasted women tend to become huge with age does not verify against my observations. During the course of my life I have met too many large breasted RW those size does not exceeded # 6 even after they had their children.

I understand why some would conclude that large breasted women tend to become huge…they see obese women having large breasts and think there is a causation link between size of breast and obesity. In fact, there is only correlation and  breasts enlarge as women get fat. Had these obese women lost their weight , the size of their breast would significantly decrease, and they would become small breasted, thin women with a lot of unnecessary skin though.

This could get interesting.   :D
 
I have seen the case I described several times.   The cute, buxom 5'2" women at my high school, at my university and in my early working life tended to balloon, especially as they reached their mid-30s.   In their 40s they became "fireplugs."   When young they had large breasts relative to their body weight and their breasts became even larger as their thighs, behind and middle expanded.     
 
Perhaps your observations did not include short height as well as large breasts (Possum's woman was a foot shorter) (you are not a foot shorter than Turbo).  Considering your age of 32 I doubt that your observations have followed buxom teenagers into their mid-30s and 40s.   Perhaps your definition of obesity is larger than what I consider as ballooning.  Also, I assert that teenage RW breasts are smaller on average than teenage AW breasts. 
 
Enough.  My original point was that these short buxom girls tended to be very popular when young and attracted popular young boys.  They married and developed a life together for better or worse (O' Possum's couple) and a lot can happen in life worse than excess weight.
 
Exceptions do exist and vwrw you may be such.   My own lady who is 46 certainly has not ballooned.  However, she is tall (5'9") with long legs and that helps.  She is only a C but that is large for a successful model.   I met one of her short buxom friends from her grammar school who has ballooned.  Her friend is happy, happy, happy (and she has no problem finding RM).  Reminds me of the mama in the 60 Minutes AUS TV show in another thread.  BTW, the interpreter in that clip was not slender. 

Her daughter is just as tall and sports a pair of DD.  Her mama is already trying to get her to slim.   

I know the 40-something RW.  Even the slender ones will tend to expand with age, and this is beneficial IMO as they deal with osteoporosis and other conditions that mature women need to be mindful of.  Different from AW, their behinds tend to remain small while their middle grows (not pear shaped as typical with AW).
 
The important point is that it does not matter if the man and woman are in true love and have built a happy life together.  Let us not forget that she probably looks far better than the man (other than Possum's couple). 
 
 
 
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: BillyB on July 29, 2011, 12:05:44 PM
I myself am 32 y.o  and have D size . If the theory of large breasts were true, I should be fat by now. 


I don't think you're fat and I could even be attracted to women with a few extra pounds. Some women carry extra weight better than others. What I do know about myself and it's probably true with other men is that I'm not attracted to overweight women no matter pleasant the BBW(Big Beautiful Woman) label sounds.

 
If my lady becomes overweight, I won't get turned on even if I love her. Let's be real, love alone isn't enough to get horny. Our intimate life will suffer. Not fair to me and not fair to her so doing what's best, I try to play it safe and choose a woman that pays attention to her body, has an appropriate diet for her metabolism, and isn't in a family that has overweight issues.
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Turboguy on July 29, 2011, 12:11:32 PM

TG is one lucky guy!   :clapping:

Thanks Muzh,  I agree totally and feel that way every minute of every day.
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Gator on July 29, 2011, 12:12:41 PM

If my lady becomes overweight, I won't get turned on even if I love her. Let's be real, love alone isn't enough to get horny. Our intimate life will suffer. Not fair to me and not fair to her .....

Billy, Billy, Billy.  Very shallow, very shallow indeed.  If this is the case I assert then that you would not be in love.  I was attracted to my ex-wife (AW) of 25 years until we got into the divorce.  Sex was a joy, yet not with other women her age. 
 
Is this the primary reason that you selected such a young fiancee?
 
Some RWD members will have comments for you. 
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Gator on July 29, 2011, 12:14:23 PM

Thanks Muzh,  I agree totally and feel that way every minute of every day.

Maybe not the best choice of words.    :D
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Misha on July 29, 2011, 12:17:34 PM
No, North Carolina - all the vacation areas are full of FSUW.


Women, therefore, who:


1. Live in vacation areas and would not want to move;
2. Live in big cities and would not want to move;
3. Want the date men who are not marrying them....


The existence of single women elsewhere in your country gives you little if they do not want to move and you can't go live in a vacation area  >:D
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: BillyB on July 29, 2011, 12:30:20 PM

Billy, Billy, Billy.  Very shallow, very shallow indeed.  If this is the case I assert then that you would not be in love.  I was attracted to my ex-wife (AW) of 25 years until we got into the divorce.  Sex was a joy, yet not with other women her age. 
 
Is this the primary reason that you selected such a young fiancee?
 
Some RWD members will have comments for you.

Sex is not the reason I have a younger fiancee. Sex is usually better with older women because they are more experienced and know how to please a man. As long as a partner is a giver and not selfish, sex will be fine.

But before sex, one must be turned on. As I said earlier, love alone doesn't turn me on. I don't think I'm shallow. A physical relationship is as important as an emotional relationship for many people. I understand what I need and unlike some people, I'm not going to ignore my feelings or feel sorry for a woman I'm not attracted to and marry her.

 If a woman has good character, good personality, and I can have a good emotional connection with her, I can be her friend. That's it. She has to be appealing to my eye to be my lover otherwise I can't get it up. Men should be honest with themselves. If a woman is a good friend and good lover, then she's a keeper.
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: vwrw on July 29, 2011, 12:48:55 PM

 Considering your age of 32 I doubt that your observations have followed buxom teenagers into their mid-30s and 40s. 

Gator, you are right I did not follow large breasted teenagers into their mid-30s and 40s. I simply met many different women in the course of my work. Some of them  I knew just for a few months, others for a few years and among them there were short and large breasted women who did not look like balloons in their 20s and 30s. They might be exceptions or not, but encounters with them make me skeptical of the conclusion that most of such women are doomed to become “balloons”.   
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: vwrw on July 29, 2011, 12:54:55 PM

 I try to play it safe and choose a woman that pays attention to her body, has an appropriate diet for her metabolism, and isn't in a family that has overweight issues.

I agree and think that  food preferences, love toward active life style, and absences of overweight issues in family are better indicators that a given woman would keep a good physical shape than the size of her breasts.

 Muzh, thank you!
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: BillyB on July 29, 2011, 01:24:32 PM

Some RWD members will have comments for you.


I'd like to add one more thing not from my point of view but from some of the ladies I wrote to when it comes to physical attraction.

How many of you guys have written a large number of RW and had one or a few of them respond "I'm not attracted to you"? I'm raising my hand.

How many of you guys wrote the women back saying she's shallow? Or wrote her back and try to sell your good personality and character in a last ditch attempt to get hooked up with her? What are you doing? Trying to get her to feel sorry for you? For her to get wet, she needs to be somewhat attracted to you, period. Your personality, character, ability to love big and fine salesmanship of those qualities isn't going to change the status quo.

I respond back to those ladies by thanking them for their honesty and wish them well. I am not insulted by hearing their thoughts about my looks. Maybe they don't like the fact I'm not 100% Caucasian. Maybe they think I got too much meat and fat on my bones. Maybe they think I don't have enough. Maybe they aren't attracted to my face. I don't care. I'm not bothered by that because nobody can win over everybody.

If  I write 1000 women and just 1% of the women think I'm hot, that's 10 women that think I'm the cat's meow. If just 10 women think you're hot, you will be a busy man. Find those women first and then figure out if any of them is wife material.

Why do men and women exercise, watch what they eat, improve their dress and hygiene in an effort to look more beautiful physically? To impress shallow people or to impress the quality people they are trying to catch? By improving our physical appearance we have more options to choose from and that is a good thing. If my girl wants to impress me, she needs to take care of her body including throughout our relationship and I will take care of mine because if I'm in a relationship with her, I would care about her feelings too. In relationships, fulfilling ones physical needs is just as important as fulfilling ones emotional needs.

 I'm sure there are people in relationships right now that are suffering from lack of physical affection because they ignored their needs and proceeded with a partner that did not fulfill those needs.
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: BC on July 29, 2011, 01:25:40 PM

Women, therefore, who:


1. Live in vacation areas and would not want to move;
2. Live in big cities and would not want to move;
3. Want the date men who are not marrying them....


The existence of single women elsewhere in your country gives you little if they do not want to move and you can't go live in a vacation area  >:D

Misha,

Add the DC zoo to the list and a good seafood restaurant there.

We were one family, a couple of visits here and there.  Agreed popular places to visit and not somewhere out in the boonies.  OTOH I cam imagine any foreign woman getting stuck in the boonies based on a lark or short relationship may give that up rather quickly. Heck.. I wouldn't even make it.
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Misha on July 29, 2011, 01:55:37 PM
OTOH I cam imagine any foreign woman getting stuck in the boonies based on a lark or short relationship may give that up rather quickly. Heck.. I wouldn't even make it.


My wife and I will be celebrating her 5 years in Canada in a few weeks  8)


The fact of the matter is that the number of single women in Washington D.C. matters little to the resident of Wyoming or Little Rock or Los Angeles if these single women will not consider a long-distance relationship or are looking for a different type of women, any more than the number of single women in Toronto will necessarily be an comfort to a man living in Medicine Hat, Moose Jaw or even Sudbury. Quite often it will be easier to explore options in other countries as opposed to the alleged single women in your own country...
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Faux Pas on July 29, 2011, 04:18:46 PM

But before sex, one must be turned on. As I said earlier, love alone doesn't turn me on. I don't think I'm shallow. A physical relationship is as important as an emotional relationship for many people. I understand what I need and unlike some people, I'm not going to ignore my feelings or feel sorry for a woman I'm not attracted to and marry her.

 If a woman has good character, good personality, and I can have a good emotional connection with her, I can be her friend. That's it. She has to be appealing to my eye to be my lover otherwise I can't get it up. Men should be honest with themselves. If a woman is a good friend and good lover, then she's a keeper.


Billy,
Statements like this project you as the epitome of shallow. Answer me honestly here, is sex just a completely physical act for you?
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: BillyB on July 29, 2011, 05:12:45 PM

Billy,
Statements like this project you as the epitome of shallow. Answer me honestly here, is sex just a completely physical act for you?
I thought I made myself clear in my other thread when I was dating women. My happiness in sex is when I see my partner happy. It's not just about me. If a guy is bad or selfish in sex, he's not going to get many repeat performances with the same woman.
I see you highlighted some parts of my words you quoted. Would you go down on anything no matter how ugly it was? Does anything repulsive turn you off or you're always turned on? I don't go down on fat women and I don't go down on prostitutes. They turn me off. I believe they turn most men off yet you are disturbed by what I wrote.
I understand some guys will go down on any woman who lays on her back. Maybe you should direct your question to those guys if sex is just a physical act for them. You know, it's okay to have standards. Having standards isn't being shallow. Having no standards is being shallow.
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: noelscot on July 29, 2011, 05:23:05 PM

Billy,
Statements like this project you as the epitome of shallow. Answer me honestly here, is sex just a completely physical act for you?


While the thread has gone completely off the rails, and is interestingly enough being responded to by a bunch of dudes (in an area of the Forum described as "Questions to Russian LADIES"), I think this charge of shallowness is a bit harsh.


If sex is not a completely physical act, then what is it? Is there something beyond the physical? Let's leave that up to a Padre. Ok, let's say love is involved.  What is love, if nothing more than a chemical reaction in the brain, which helps genes get passed on through some good old-fashioned baby makin' (queue some Barry White)?  I don't care how great someone's personality is, humans choose the best possible mate, taking into consideration physical and mental attributes, to pass on their genes--or just have some fun.  That's beyond ethical evaluations, such as being shallow; it's unchanging human nature.  Of course, there are unevenly yoked couples out there, but I would argue that coercion, desperation, money, power, or some other factor tipped the scales almost every time.  If the decision to choose a mate was purely based upon mental and physical attributes, a person in the position to choose the best possible mate will do so every time.  Personality is just a small piece of the puzzle.  The pig from Green Acres was a "charming m-effer," as Samuel Jacskon said, but it's still a pig.  ;D     



Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Faux Pas on July 29, 2011, 09:28:16 PM
I thought I made myself clear in my other thread when I was dating women. My happiness in sex is when I see my partner happy. It's not just about me. If a guy is bad or selfish in sex, he's not going to get many repeat performances with the same woman.
I see you highlighted some parts of my words you quoted. Would you go down on anything no matter how ugly it was? Does anything repulsive turn you off or you're always turned on? I don't go down on fat women and I don't go down on prostitutes. They turn me off. I believe they turn most men off yet you are disturbed by what I wrote.
I understand some guys will go down on any woman who lays on her back. Maybe you should direct your question to those guys if sex is just a physical act for them. You know, it's okay to have standards. Having standards isn't being shallow. Having no standards is being shallow.


A bit defensive are we?  :o  You made the statement Billy, is this a crawfish? Where did I mention anything about being repulsed? Was making love to a women who was repulsive anywhere in the flow of the topic? Repulsive women and prostitutes? Is this a Freudian slip on your part?


If your happiness in sex is making "your partner happy" why the difficulty in "getting it up" if she doesn't appeal to your eye? You are talking out of both sides of your mouth there stud.  :D Should your pending marriage last 10-15 years what will happen when your brides tits sag, she puts on 40 pounds and no longer appeals to your eye? Do you stop having sex with her?


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She has to be appealing to my eye to be my lover otherwise I can't get it up

Those are your words Billy not mine. Your words do not repulse or disturb me if that was what you were trying to do. You just don't impress me much, in any regard

Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Faux Pas on July 29, 2011, 09:48:37 PM
While the thread has gone completely off the rails, and is interestingly enough being responded to by a bunch of dudes (in an area of the Forum described as "Questions to Russian LADIES"), I think this charge of shallowness is a bit harsh.


Such is the way of fora. My apologies for adding to the side track.


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If sex is not a completely physical act, then what is it?


Wow, how old are you again? Sex can be a number of things. It can certainly be purely a physical act sure. Did I say anywhere that it couldn't? (please, take your time) You can do it yourself and it's pure physical, you can buy you a piece of fat meat at the grocery store and keep it purely physical between you and the meat. You can pay a prostitute and keep it purely physical and business like. None of that is what was the discussion here is it?


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Is there something beyond the physical? Let's leave that up to a Padre. Ok, let's say love is involved.  What is love, if nothing more than a chemical reaction in the brain, which helps genes get passed on through some good old-fashioned baby makin' (queue some Barry White)?  I don't care how great someone's personality is, humans choose the best possible mate, taking into consideration physical and mental attributes, to pass on their genes--or just have some fun.  That's beyond ethical evaluations, such as being shallow; it's unchanging human nature.  Of course, there are unevenly yoked couples out there, but I would argue that coercion, desperation, money, power, or some other factor tipped the scales almost every time.  If the decision to choose a mate was purely based upon mental and physical attributes, a person in the position to choose the best possible mate will do so every time.  Personality is just a small piece of the puzzle.  The pig from Green Acres was a "charming m-effer," as Samuel Jacskon said, but it's still a pig.  ;D   


I wouldn't think most men who have moved beyond adolescence would need this explained to them but I'll give you the short version without calling for the Priest, OK?


Yes, making love between to people in love or merely with just an emotional attachment is much more than just a purely physical act. There is more to sex and love making than your animal instincts to seeking out a mate to bear your children and someone to be your sperm dumpster. So very much more. If you ever have that bond, love and emotional attachment to someone besides yourself, you might be allow to experience it.  ;D
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: BillyB on July 29, 2011, 11:12:05 PM
 
She has to be appealing to my eye to be my lover otherwise I can't get it up.
Faux Pas, remember you highlighting the above quote earlier as it seems to bother you? Since we are on the subject of fat chicks, at what point do they become less appealing to you to the point you can't get intimate with them? Remember the photos of fat chicks posted earlier that some people were going to lose their lunch over? Could you get intimate with those gals? How about tell everyone here your tastes and why it's a good thing instead of telling me I'm shallow? It's in better taste to explain yourself instead of putting others down to make yourself look noble and good.
 
If you can't get down with the fatest woman in the world, then you and I aren't much different since we both have limits and standards. In this case our difference isn't measured in shallowness but in lbs/kgs. Giving people the impression I'm more shallow than you because you can accept more lbs/kgs is ridiculous.
 
Me getting politically incorrect seemed to bother some. Let's get more politically incorrect. Let's go beyond chewing the fat. Why stop at fat? There are many traits, characteristics, and habits among humans that are considered undesirable by the majority. Mental and physical defects, stupidity, uglyness, obesity, addiction to drugs, bad manners, etc....
 
I want a woman with good manners, no addictions to substances, height/weight proportional, intelligent, appealing to my eye, no diseases, and no retardedness. Would you again call me shallow since you can accept the opposite of what I accept? If you can accept the opposite of what I accept from a woman, what do you think people are going to think of you? Not shallow and you a strong intelligent man?
 
If I were to receive comments from my previous posts, I would bet it would be from men instead of women. I'm sure most women would accept what I written previously and agree.
 
If women would willing open their legs to guys, there are plenty of willing guys to go down on them. The reason it's not so easy for men to have sex is because the average woman has higher standards on who they'll allow into their bed than the average man including myself. If you want to get angry at people for having high standards, go get angry at the women. Many guys already do. Maybe you're one of them? I'm sure most women out there have had one or more bad experiences from men who they've rejected.
 
One reason most women want a man with good manners and genes is because he will pass some down to their kids. I've seen some kids from men who had criminal minds. Those kids are wild. Their moms would be what most people call trailer trash. Drugs, alcohol, rudeness, breaking the law seemed to be a big part of their lives. Some people aren't very selective when it comes to choosing a mate.
 
I remember reading a story on a forum from a woman in England who married an American man with autism. She knew he had this mental problem before she married him, said he is emotionally absent from their marriage, spends all his time on the computer, and has acquired 9 hard drives worth of pornography. She is stressing all the time and having breakdowns. Obviously this isn't the marriage she dreamed of.
 
Now you say I'm shallow for not being able to get turned on by fat woman and thus I avoid them but do you applaud that woman for giving that man with less than desirable traits a chance for romance with her or do you call her stupid?
 
Bottom line here is don't marry someone that turns you off one way or another. It's not being shallow, it's being smart.
 
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Ade on July 29, 2011, 11:41:23 PM
Billy,

I don't think that FP is saying you are shallow because you want to be be with someone you are physically attracted to. We all want that. But, with most normal people, when we really fall in love with someone, this initial lust, the purely physical attraction that exists at the start of a relationship, transforms into something more emotional that transcends physicality. It probably sounds all gay and effeminate to you I guess, but that primarily physical attraction loses importance in favour of an emotional bonding, and the physical appearance of a partner has far less impact on sexual attraction, even if they change appearance quite drastically over time.

Of course, there's a prerequisite there of emotional availability. Some people are so emotionally unavailable that they will never experience of even understand the above.
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: BC on July 30, 2011, 12:55:55 AM
Is all this going to turn into yet another BillyB harangue?

BillyB it's all about me
BillyB is all you need to see
Do me wrong or do me right
I'm always up for a good long fight
after all.. I'm BillyB
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Gylden on July 30, 2011, 01:28:47 AM
Which is it?
 
Not so long ago I recall reading about the biggest reason to go to the FSU looking for a wife was for the "eye candy". Younger more beautiful women, even there has been a thread idolizing Hue Heffner.
Now I read that looks are not important in the long run.
Or is it just for the convenience of argument?
 
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: BillyB on July 30, 2011, 01:55:35 AM
Billy,

I don't think that FP is saying you are shallow because you want to be be with someone you are physically attracted to. We all want that. But, with most normal people, when we really fall in love with someone, this initial lust, the purely physical attraction that exists at the start of a relationship, transforms into something more emotional that transcends physicality.

 
Did you not read what I said earlier that started an emotional response from the men here? I said "If my lady becomes overweight, I won't get turned on even if I love her. Let's be real, love alone isn't enough to get horny. Our intimate life will suffer. Not fair to me and not fair to her ....."

 
If my lady gains weight over the course of our relationship, I will have a talk with her about the ramifications. I will even have a talk with her about my dislikes before anything becomes an issue. All men and women should communicate more often in a relationship.


If your wife get to 300, 400, 500 lbs, are you still going to get turned on because you love her? Like I said earlier to FP, our differences are in lbs/kgs, not shallowness.
 

 If you let your bodies boldly go just as the women in the photos earlier, dress sloppy, and if you begin to stink because you are starting to fail at personal hygiene, love is not going to cure your problems. Your physical health is related to your mental health. You let one go down, the truth is both goes down. Your wife will  begin to sleep less with you and maybe not even in the same room. Don't convince me there's importance of emotional bonding over all else. There's more to a relationship than just emotional bonding. It's a package deal. If any of you someday fail your spouse, convince her/him that a failure in your physical appearance or anything for that matter is no big deal. Then see how long that strong emotional bonding lasts.

 
I get great emotional bonding with a woman when she cares about my feelings. I expect to give the same care in return. I certainly am going to take care of my body for my woman besides myself. That is a way of strengthening emotional bonding. Being physically and emotionally healthy is a good thing! I'm sure if the girls voted, they would prefer men that took it seriously when it comes to taking care of their bodies. Do your girls a favor instead of making excuses such as love and emotional bonding will rise above the neglect of your body. Everybody has different metabolisms which change over ones life. Overeating is neglecting ones body. Figure out what is a good intake for the road ahead instead of preparing an excuse.

 
Is all this going to turn into yet another BillyB harangue?


 
Oh, it's my fault? Some guys seem to have a habit of following me or others looking for an opportunity to throw out an insult. I don't have that bad habit but it's somewhat flattering that I have a following here. I thought women were emotional creatures but they are proving to be tougher than men... at least of the Western variety.  The worst thing is that some of you don't even realize you have a problem maintaining your composure compared to the RW here after I make a post. You read what I write, complain it's too long, defensive, wrong and it's my fault after someone insults me that things go to pot. So instead of making a fancy poem on my behalf to piss me off, don't you think it's more productive to tell us what  your limit is BC? 300, 400, 500 lbs or do you agree with others that emotional bonding and love is an excuse or reason to ignore any potential problems physically or mentally developing in a relationship?
 
Which is it?
 
Not so long ago I recall reading about the biggest reason to go to the FSU looking for a wife was for the "eye candy". Younger more beautiful women, even there has been a thread idolizing Hue Heffner.
Now I read that looks are not important in the long run.
Or is it just for the convenience of argument?
 


Glyden, you are a smart man. Looks are important but for convenience of argument for some men here, it isn't important simply because I said it was. It's silly for them to say otherwise when ladies are curiously reading how us men think but their personal grudge against me is more important than the truth. Beauty is a woman's strength and will always be. Women need to take care of their bodies and to be fair to the ladies so does us men.
 
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Ade on July 30, 2011, 02:01:39 AM
Which is it?
 
Not so long ago I recall reading about the biggest reason to go to the FSU looking for a wife was for the "eye candy". Younger more beautiful women, even there has been a thread idolizing Hue Heffner.
Now I read that looks are not important in the long run.
Or is it just for the convenience of argument?

Well, not to be repetitive, but I never went looking in the FSU in the first place. ;)

If anyone is so shallow that a person's physical look is the primary reason they marry and stay married, then they deserve what they get in the long run as most people will change. Ageing is inevitable.

But it's understandable that looks are a large component of initial attraction for most people. Personally, purely physical form seems to be less important and "sexiness" more so. It's not easy to define what "sexiness" means to me; I guess it has a lot to do with body language and personality.

Attraction is not a cognitive process and it's difficult if not impossible to control but the emotional bond between most loving couples tends to transcend the physical in the long run. "Love is blind" can be quite literal.
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Ade on July 30, 2011, 02:08:31 AM

Did you not read what I said earlier that started an emotional response from the men here? I said "If my lady becomes overweight, I won't get turned on even if I love her. Let's be real, love alone isn't enough to get horny. Our intimate life will suffer. Not fair to me and not fair to her ....."

 
If my lady gains weight over the course of our relationship, I will have a talk with her about the ramifications. I will even have a talk with her about my dislikes before anything becomes an issue. All men and women should communicate more often in a relationship.


Yes, I read it Billy as I've read other posts by you and that is why I've formed an opinion that you are an insecure and emotionally damaged man with the maturity of a spoiled adolescent.
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: BillyB on July 30, 2011, 02:58:37 AM
Yes, I read it Billy as I've read other posts by you and that is why I've formed and opinion that you are an insecure and emotionally damaged man with the maturity of a spoiled adolescent.

The truth shall set you free. It's important that people understand you and a few others are arguing with the poster(me) and not what has been posted. I can say 2+2=4 yet some of you will find a way to prove me wrong since you hold a past grudge. But if you really believe love and emotional bonding will protect you, go out and prove it. Gain 200lbs. Love may blind your wife but there is a limit in lbs/kgs. It's hard to be blind when the refrigerator is empty and there is a 400 lb pig in the room. Your wife will probably divorce you not just because weight you gained but because you're sick in the head for letting yourself get that way.
 
Ladies and gentlemen, beware. If you neglect your bodies, you are neglecting and disrespecting your partner. Neglect can break bonds and you can't love someone you don't respect.
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Ade on July 30, 2011, 03:34:07 AM

The truth shall set you free. It's important that people understand you and a few others are arguing with the poster(me) and not what has been posted. I can say 2 2=4 yet some of you will find a way to prove me wrong since you hold a past grudge. But if you really believe love and emotional bonding will protect you, go out and prove it. Gain 200lbs. Love may blind your wife but there is a limit in lbs/kgs. It's hard to be blind when the refrigerator is empty and there is a 400 lb pig in the room. Your wife will probably divorce you not just because weight you gained but because you're sick in the head for letting yourself get that way.
 
Ladies and gentlemen, beware. If you neglect your bodies, you are neglecting and disrespecting your partner. Neglect can break bonds and you can't love someone you don't respect.

The problem with your argument Billy is that you almost always talk about unlikely extremes. So yes, I will agree that most people have limits but there are other factors at work here and I would also argue that if there was such a disconnect between a couple that one would gain such enormous amounts of weight without regard for their partner, there would usually have to be something else wrong with the relationship. And yes, in these extreme cases, attraction would probably suffer for most people, but perhaps this would not only be due to the weight gain but because of the underlying causes. I say this as weight gain in itself doesn't seem to effect the attraction amongst all couples. Anyway, your 100Kg weight gain examples are going to be rare even in the US, certainly so in Europe, so it's a silly argument.

But getting back to your constant harping, I'd say your idea of an acceptable weight gain threshold is fairly low and your view of what is "attractive" is superficial. That you so easily dismiss the emotional component of attraction in a loving long term relationship just reinforces my view that you are immature and emotionally damaged or unavailable.
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: BC on July 30, 2011, 04:04:02 AM

Oh, it's my fault? Some guys seem to have a habit of following me or others looking for an opportunity to throw out an insult. I don't have that bad habit but it's somewhat flattering that I have a following here. I thought women were emotional creatures but they are proving to be tougher than men... at least of the Western variety.  The worst thing is that some of you don't even realize you have a problem maintaining your composure compared to the RW here after I make a post. You read what I write, complain it's too long, defensive, wrong and it's my fault after someone insults me that things go to pot. So instead of making a fancy poem on my behalf to piss me off, don't you think it's more productive to tell us what  your limit is BC? 300, 400, 500 lbs or do you agree with others that emotional bonding and love is an excuse or reason to ignore any potential problems physically or mentally developing in a relationship?


Billy, I really don't take you that seriously, youare an actor seeking a stage.  The last posts here would easily fit into your own thread and I hope they do migrate there as they are OT.  If you don't even have the ability to chuckle at yourself it's your problem, no skin off my back.

To answer your question, If my wife ballooned to 300, 400, 500 lbs it would be something I would simply have to learn to deal with.  Life often presents unexpected challenges.  Maybe I will balloon, or like a great looking friend from AF days loose half my face in a horrible accident.  His wife left.  I don't want a marriage like that. Your ideals are einbahnstrasse without cognizance that within your relationship the risk factor of you becoming even more physically unappealing is much greater and will happen fairly quick in relative terms.  You expound with long breath about all those invisible qualities you possess that make your magick with women, instead of facing the fact that you are a middle aged man with receding hairline and a growing belly.  Test your physical appeal on hotornot.com to find out how many teens find you physically appealing. 

Lets hope your future wife does not share your views on this topic.. after all I have seen pretty ducklings in their teens turn into fairly bland women and ugly ducklings in their teens turn to very sexy, beautiful women.

You are counting your chicks long before they hatch.

Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Gylden on July 30, 2011, 05:43:40 AM
Well, not to be repetitive, but I never went looking in the FSU in the first place. ;)

If anyone is so shallow that a person's physical look is the primary reason they marry and stay married, then they deserve what they get in the long run as most people will change. Ageing is inevitable.

But it's understandable that looks are a large component of initial attraction for most people. Personally, purely physical form seems to be less important and "sexiness" more so. It's not easy to define what "sexiness" means to me; I guess it has a lot to do with body language and personality.

Attraction is not a cognitive process and it's difficult if not impossible to control but the emotional bond between most loving couples tends to transcend the physical in the long run. "Love is blind" can be quite literal.

Sorry about that Ade, in my abbreviated writting style I didn't mean for it to be directed at you personally. I am talking about threads where the majority of people say they are looking for younger, more attractive spouses.
 
I do believe that mutual physical attraction is important in a relationship. One must be realistic as well, when aging. Men who are not realistic end up "trading the old model for a new one" as we often read about and that is not love.
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Faux Pas on July 30, 2011, 05:57:38 AM
 :ROFL:


Geez Billy, what a rant. You said a helluva lot of nothing. I'm not surprised and I have come to expect nothing less from you. Maybe you should pass around the collection plate and we'll call this the "religion of Billy". This way you might actually be able to define this "imaginary following". Over on the "Be Billy Strong penis" thread anyone who read or responded was in the Billy following too. With your logic everyone who posts on an RWD thread is there as part of your following and there to insult you. Your ignorance and arrogance knows no bounds.


Your last post to me is nothing but a tangent and doesn't address anything in my previous post to you. Just more Billy bravado, ad hominem and strawman.



A bit defensive are we?  :o  You made the statement Billy, is this a crawfish? Where did I mention anything about being repulsed? Was making love to a women who was repulsive anywhere in the flow of the topic? Repulsive women and prostitutes? Is this a Freudian slip on your part?


If your happiness in sex is making "your partner happy" why the difficulty in "getting it up" if she doesn't appeal to your eye? You are talking out of both sides of your mouth there stud.  :D Should your pending marriage last 10-15 years what will happen when your brides tits sag, she puts on 40 pounds and no longer appeals to your eye? Do you stop having sex with her?


Those are your words Billy not mine. Your words do not repulse or disturb me if that was what you were trying to do. You just don't impress me much, in any regard


Address this post Billy or just STFU  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Misha on July 30, 2011, 07:38:42 AM
Which is it?
 
Not so long ago I recall reading about the biggest reason to go to the FSU looking for a wife was for the "eye candy". Younger more beautiful women, even there has been a thread idolizing Hue Heffner.
Now I read that looks are not important in the long run.
Or is it just for the convenience of argument?

I think we all know what that answer is Glydden >:D Invariably men go overseas (or marry women who find them from overseas), because they can get younger and/or more attractive women than they could date at home. However, it would be ill-advised to marry a woman solely for her looks without compatibility, in the same way that it would be foolhardy IMHO to marry a woman where there was not physical attraction.
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Ade on July 30, 2011, 09:04:18 AM
I think we all know what that answer is Glydden >:D Invariably men go overseas (or marry women who find them from overseas), because they can get younger and/or more attractive women than they could date at home. However, it would be ill-advised to marry a woman solely for her looks without compatibility, in the same way that it would be foolhardy IMHO to marry a woman where there was not physical attraction.

Invariably, people will make generalisations about why men marry FSUW. Strangely, some men just find a woman they can't live without and they just happen to be Russian and just happen to be younger than them. Perhaps that is more common over here though so I can't blame you for extrapolating from personal experience.  >:D
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Misha on July 30, 2011, 09:52:17 AM
Invariably, people will make generalisations about why men marry FSUW. Strangely, some men just find a woman they can't live without and they just happen to be Russian and just happen to be younger than them. Perhaps that is more common over here though so I can't blame you for extrapolating from personal experience.  >:D

Ade, who are you trying to convince? Us or yourself? It reeks of self-delusion. I believe it is a safe bet to say that if a woman who happened to be your age or older and just happened to be much heavier than average wrote you on Match.com or whatever site that you were using that you never have happened to rush off to Arkhangelsk.... As much as you try to spin it, you are no different than any of the men who seek or who marry women from Russia.
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Ade on July 30, 2011, 10:11:34 AM
Ade, who are you trying to convince? Us or yourself? It reeks of self-delusion. I believe it is a safe bet to say that if a woman who happened to be your age or older and just happened to be much heavier than average wrote you on Match.com or whatever site that you were using that you never have happened to rush off to Arkhangelsk.... As much as you try to spin it, you are no different than any of the men who seek or who marry women from Russia.

Think what you like, I'm certainly not going to spend any time convincing you otherwise.
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Misha on July 30, 2011, 10:13:15 AM
Think what you like, I'm certainly not going to spend any time convincing you otherwise.

Sure, stick to someone you can convince: yourself.
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Ade on July 30, 2011, 10:22:30 AM
Sure, stick to someone you can convince: yourself.

Being your predictable self as usual I see, well, carry on.  :D
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Misha on July 30, 2011, 10:28:05 AM
Being your predictable self as usual I see, well, carry on.  :D

Pots, kettle, black ... Google them if you must  :D
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Misha on July 30, 2011, 10:44:45 AM
Is all this going to turn into yet another BillyB harangue?

Though it could have been phrased differently, Billy does have a point. I was reading a few days back a piece in The Globe and Mail (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/the-hot-button/men-would-you-really-dump-your-girlfriend-for-gaining-weight/article2111163/) which stated: "A new poll (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/relationships/love/dating/half-of-men-say-weight-gain-is-grounds-for-dumping-a-woman-poll/article2110536/) of 7,600 men by AskMen. com has found that half of men would dump their girlfriend if she gained weight, according to the Vancouver Sun (http://www.vancouversun.com/Canadian+they+romantic/5164748/story.html)."

And, this from the Huffington Post (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/27/men-leave-weight-gain_n_911143.html): "Almost 50 percent of men surveyed in a new poll of 70,000 people said they would leave a partner who gained weight (http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/43898300), reports MSNBC. In contrast, only 20 percent of women said they would ditch a significant other for putting on extra pounds."

Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Ade on July 30, 2011, 11:07:18 AM
Though it could have been phrased differently, Billy does have a point. I was reading a few days back a piece in The Globe and Mail (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/the-hot-button/men-would-you-really-dump-your-girlfriend-for-gaining-weight/article2111163/) which stated: "A new poll (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/relationships/love/dating/half-of-men-say-weight-gain-is-grounds-for-dumping-a-woman-poll/article2110536/) of 7,600 men by AskMen. com has found that half of men would dump their girlfriend if she gained weight, according to the Vancouver Sun (http://www.vancouversun.com/Canadian+they+romantic/5164748/story.html)."

And, this from the Huffington Post (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/27/men-leave-weight-gain_n_911143.html): "Almost 50 percent of men surveyed in a new poll of 70,000 people said they would leave a partner who gained weight (http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/43898300), reports MSNBC. In contrast, only 20 percent of women said they would ditch a significant other for putting on extra pounds."

No one said that Billy was unique.

So where do you fit Misha? Do you love your wife or do you just love your wife's body?
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Misha on July 30, 2011, 11:16:31 AM
No one said that Billy was unique.

So where do you fit Misha? Do you love your wife or do you just love your wife's body?

Trying to make it personal again I see. Honestly, I can say that I love my wife and I love her body as well. It is not an either/or proposition. A man can be married to a woman that he loves and be physically attracted to her as well. Where is the contradiction in your mind? Does love preclude attraction? Or does attraction preclude love? 
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Ade on July 30, 2011, 11:23:22 AM
Trying to make it personal again I see. Honestly, I can say that I love my wife and I love her body as well. It is not an either/or proposition. A man can be married to a woman that he loves and be physically attracted to her as well. Where is the contradiction in your mind? Does love preclude attraction? Or does attraction preclude love?

No, but physical qualities come second to inner ones, and IMO, attraction based solely or even primarily on the physical attributes of a partner is so very much inferior.
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Misha on July 30, 2011, 11:36:56 AM
No, but physical qualities come second to inner ones, and IMO, attraction based solely or even primarily on the physical attributes of a partner is so very much inferior.

In the first seconds that you meet someone, invariably you are either physically attracted to them or you are not. Consequently, I would say that the physical qualities in most cases are the primary triggers and that most people will afterwards try to gauge the "inner" qualities. But, I am sure there are exceptions whereby someone was not physically attracted to another person, yet they were still attracted to their personality and that over time that attraction perhaps grew and developed to a physical attraction...
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Vincenzo on July 30, 2011, 12:14:09 PM
It's not only body that is attractive in Russian ladies.

For example, higher education in the USA is rather expensive, in Russia it's cheap or even free. Most Russian ladies that I've met were educated, knew foreign languages and had good professions: accountants, doctors, teachers... However, most Ukrainian pro-daters on pay-per-letter websites are waitresses, sellers, hairdressers, nail clippers...

Most attended music, dance, art classes. Such classes in the USA can be expensive.

Most enjoy cooking. Very few white American women cook. However, Spanish and Chinese Americans cook often.

Many Russian women can live on very little money. They don't need a new Mercedes when a $1,000 used Toyota is enough. Moreover, they want to work and earn money to help their husbands.
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Ranetka on July 30, 2011, 12:17:01 PM


Many Russian women can live on very little money. They don't need a new Mercedes when a $1,000 used Toyota is enough.

Yeah right.
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Ranetka on July 30, 2011, 12:19:26 PM

Most attended music, dance, art classes. Such classes in the USA can be expensive.


They also want the same for their kids. And if such classes are too exensive (for you)for their kids they will not be very happy.
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Vincenzo on July 30, 2011, 12:25:50 PM

They also want the same for their kids. And if such classes are too exensive (for you)for their kids they will not be very happy.
That's why it's better to have a wife who can dance, play a musical instrument, and play soccer. Huge savings!
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Vincenzo on July 30, 2011, 12:30:11 PM

Yeah right.
There are exceptions.
Avoid spoiled girls from Odessa, Moscow, Saint Petersburg...

Recently, an American guy told me, "I know that house prices will go down. I don't have enough money for downpayment. Unfortunately, I have to buy a house." Somebody in his family can't count money.
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Ranetka on July 30, 2011, 12:39:54 PM
There are exceptions.
Avoid spoiled girls from Odessa, Moscow, Saint Petersburg...


Have you been to any of this cities Vincenzo? Do you think the city I was born in has anything to do with what car I drive? Do you know many people choosing an old Toyota when they can afford a new Mercedes?
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: BillyB on July 30, 2011, 12:46:35 PM
The problem with your argument Billy is that you almost always talk about unlikely extremes.


 
I talk about unlikely extremes? I said earlier I can deal with a woman with a few extra pounds but that is about it. You guys object and no matter how much you ram your opinion down my throat, you're not going to get me turned on to BBW. Since you and a few others object, I assume you can handle the extremes that I can't. BC said he can deal with a 500lb wife. Can you? Can your wife deal with a husband that big?

 
Billy, I really don't take you that seriously, youare an actor seeking a stage. 


Yeah it's my fault for me having to respond to your poem and other people's ridiculous opinions of the matter. I know you don't like hearing it but some people may actually believe you guys that love and bonding will cover for your failures.
 

It's you and a few other that post aggressively and complain. Your poem and Ade's colorful post about his feelings on me is to get an unpleasant response so you can have more ammo to complain yet again. You all have something in common. You work, complain a lot, and have wives at home. You spend lots of time on the computer but have strong views on how to love and bond with the wife. You should stick with advice on how to bond with a computer.
 

RW don't have your grumpy attitude here. Married men who are married and retired don't have your attitude. Single men with girlfriends or not don't have your attitude. Only married working men who spend lots of time on the computer seem to be posting grumpy when I show up. Get some emotional composure and instead of putting down my opinions with cheap shots, put your opinions next to mine and people can be the judge. So far the only support your posse is getting is from each other.
 

To answer your question, If my wife ballooned to 300, 400, 500 lbs it would be something I would simply have to learn to deal with.  Life often presents unexpected challenges. 


Life's unexpected challenges is when you lose your job or when your face gets burned and arm amputated after a car accident. If you've been good to your spouse, he/she may stay by your side because you created love and a strong bond in your relationship.
 

Those things and others are out of your control. Some things are within your control. Over eating, alcholism, and gambling are a few. Being in control is attractive to women. I don't have those problems. They are turned off by weak men who blame their failures in life on addictions or in other words, things beyond their control. Do we have to say who those men are or accepting of that philosophy? I think many of you have used excuses for failures within your control in the past and are content love and bonding will continue to glue your relationship together. Having control problems, disipline problems, responsibility problems, you will be in a world of hurt.
 

Test your physical appeal on hotornot.com to find out how many teens find you physically appealing. 


 
I've been learning things the natural way all my life. I didn't know there was a website out there that could simplify things and help me understand and make adjustments to be a more appealing partner. I'm sure hotornot.com has helped many to more successful and fruitful relationships. I guess the sexiest part of a man is his brain is all wrong?
 

Most young women would find me boring after talking to me. They will learn I don't party or go to the disco much. Gold diggers would also find me boring. I tend to only attract family oriented women and when they find me, it's a possibility they get turned on no matter what her age is. I think I'm going to stick with what I'm doing and pass on Hot or Not.
 


They also want the same for their kids. And if such classes are too exensive (for you)for their kids they will not be very happy.


 
True and it's important for men searching for RW not to mistaken a woman who wants a husband that can provide adequately for the family as a gold digger. Most women will take good care of their men if their men takes good care of them and the kids. I currently take care of my fiancee financially and have gifts, a new laptop, and a car waiting for her when she gets here. Even though she asks for nothing, I'll give her everything she'll need to comfortably adapt to her new home and culture. I don't do it just because I love and care about her, I also do it because I believe it's a man's responsibility to be the main provider. Too many men are afraid of assuming that role in it's entirety which reminds of the the saying "No Money, No Honey".
 

Men should be careful not to get involved with a woman that sucks up money but if he finds a good woman, he can trust her with his wallet.

 
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Misha on July 30, 2011, 01:24:00 PM
For example, higher education in the USA is rather expensive, in Russia it's cheap or even free. Most Russian ladies that I've met were educated, knew foreign languages and had good professions: accountants, doctors, teachers...

Most doctors and teachers are very badly paid in the FSU. Consequently, becoming a teacher or a doctor was relatively easier in the FSU.

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However, most Ukrainian pro-daters on pay-per-letter websites are waitresses, sellers, hairdressers, nail clippers...

The women on pay-per-letter websites are not really indicative of anything IMHO.

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Most attended music, dance, art classes. Such classes in the USA can be expensive.

Most as in the majority? Not sure about that.

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Most enjoy cooking.

Most don't have a choice as they can't afford to eat out all the time.

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Very few white American women cook.

Very few?!? I frequent a number of recipes site including allrecipes.com. This site has 151,453 members and I would say the leading demographic are white American women.... Cleary, our definitions of "very few" differs significantly.

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Many Russian women can live on very little money.

When you don't have a choice, most people will live on little money whether they want to or not.
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: noelscot on July 30, 2011, 01:32:48 PM

Such is the way of fora. My apologies for adding to the side track.



Wow, how old are you again? Sex can be a number of things. It can certainly be purely a physical act sure. Did I say anywhere that it couldn't? (please, take your time) You can do it yourself and it's pure physical, you can buy you a piece of fat meat at the grocery store and keep it purely physical between you and the meat. You can pay a prostitute and keep it purely physical and business like. None of that is what was the discussion here is it?
 
You raped Billy over the coals for allegedly implying that sex was a purely physical act, so I just reponded to what you wrote, good Sir.
 
Also, unless sex has somehow become a metaphysical act, then it IS purely physical.  But that does not devalue it.
 
I'm not sure what my age has to do with anything, but if you ar calling me young, I will graciously accept the compliment :D .




I wouldn't think most men who have moved beyond adolescence would need this explained to them but I'll give you the short version without calling for the Priest, OK?


Yes, making love between to people in love or merely with just an emotional attachment is much more than just a purely physical act. There is more to sex and love making than your animal instincts to seeking out a mate to bear your children and someone to be your sperm dumpster. So very much more. If you ever have that bond, love and emotional attachment to someone besides yourself, you might be allow to experience it.  ;D

All of your arguments are either based on authority of age, personal attacks, or assumptions about someone you've never even met. You never clarify what this more than physical stuff is exactly. Also, you assume that
I have made a blanket devaluation of love, sex, and human nature all in one fell swoop, when in fact I think that all are something to be treasured and valued. 
 
But I digress, this is not a philosophy class, and I am merely here to gather useful information. I do value everyone's input, and I do not know everything, either.
 
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Vincenzo on July 30, 2011, 03:28:34 PM

Have you been to any of this cities Vincenzo? Do you think the city I was born in has anything to do with what car I drive? Do you know many people choosing an old Toyota when they can afford a new Mercedes?
Yes, I've been there.
When I was in Siberia, everybody drove used Toyotas, Hondas, and Ladas. Though, I have a prejudice. I favor Siberian girls now.

Here's Mark Zuckerberg of facebook. He drives an older Acura. However, I've seen a movie about him. He had problems dating girls in the movie.
(http://datemyride.com/sites/default/files/Mark%20Zuckerberg%20Acura.jpg?1309138379)

Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Vincenzo on July 30, 2011, 04:05:43 PM


When you don't have a choice, most people will live on little money whether they want to or not.
Try to date Paris Hilton. A new dress every night, a new diamond, a new pink Bentley...
Can you match her by buying a new designer suit every day?
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Misha on July 30, 2011, 04:47:31 PM
Vince, do you really think the daughter's of Russia's billionaires will be any more down to earth than Paris Hilton?
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: peter8435 on July 30, 2011, 09:45:48 PM
I may be new to this fourm but it seems like we got off the main Question just a bit.
all I can tell you is the same answer that I gave to my then Ukrainian girl friend, every man has in his mind the look of an ideal woman, some like Asian, some like Black girls, as for me I like the look of a Russian/Ukraine woman. I have a soft spot for the accent, I like some of the traditions, thats just me, and thats why I look to Russian woman date sites.
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Vincenzo on July 30, 2011, 11:11:27 PM
Vince, do you really think the daughter's of Russia's billionaires will be any more down to earth than Paris Hilton?
I don't know about rich Russians.
But I know that Russian girls are more down to earth than American, especially in provincial cities, and especially in Siberia. They can cook, sew, knit. They can easily walk miles on high heels. They can be happy without expensive cars, diamonds, and designer outfits. But when a man presents something beautiful, a Russian girl will enjoy it.
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Jooky on July 31, 2011, 12:33:26 AM
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When I was in Siberia, everybody drove used Toyotas, Hondas, and Ladas.

It sounds like you see only what you want to see. There are plenty of Mercedes, BMWs, Lexii, Hummers and other more expensive vehicles in Siberia.
 
How would you know anyone purchased their car used in the first place???
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Ranetka on July 31, 2011, 12:55:24 AM
Yes, I've been there.
When I was in Siberia, everybody drove used Toyotas, Hondas, and Ladas. Though, I have a prejudice. I favor Siberian girls now.

(http://datemyride.com/sites/default/files/Mark%20Zuckerberg%20Acura.jpg?1309138379)

 
I am from Siberia. The reason there are many Hondas, Hyundais and Totyotas there is they are imported from Japan. Cheaper then cars imported from Europe.
Again I am from Siberia and find there are exactly as many status conscious people as there are in Saint Petersburg where I lived for 13 years.
Mark Zuckenberg is so rich it does not matter what he drives. Is that your only example of someone who choose a cheaper car over expensive one?
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: chivo on July 31, 2011, 05:45:42 AM
My first date with an American guy here was about the same way, that was why I started a thread in another branch, that was the problem that instead of having a nice conversation people concentrate on my "status" and details. I know that's important but I assume you don't meet many girls that ask you about your income, SSN, debts, etc on the first date, so why would I have to be put in the condition when I have to feel like I am in the interview in the American embassy instead of a date that is supposed to be romantic.
This is a good illustration of why I don't.
 
This from a RW living in America and her dating experiences. And even though Vincenzo's arguments are a little wacky, his point is not lost and I think he's basically saying the same thing.
 
My dating experiences have been different here than in America. Doesn't mean a RW doesn't want to have material things, it's just that most want to see my character first. Generally speaking one date is interesting (RW) and the other was/is an interview (AW).
 
I don't know, but I always felt like I had to constantly entertain AW when I was with them on a date (I usually had no problem doing it) and lord help me if I said the wrong thing. RW are more forgiving.
 
Nevertheless, I simply prefer RW for a number of reasons that have nothing to do with physical beauty as I think AW are just as pretty. Maybe it all boils down to their (RW) attitude towards men compared to AW...yeah, that's it, the attitude!!
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Misha on July 31, 2011, 07:11:07 AM
I don't know about rich Russians.

In that case, best to keep Paris Hilton out of the comparisons.

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But I know that Russian girls are more down to earth than American, especially in provincial cities, and especially in Siberia. They can cook, sew, knit.

In my neck of the Canadian woods, knitting is becoming quite popular with young women. I often see a dozen women at Starbucks knitting, likely part of some club...

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They can easily walk miles on high heels.

I don't know what this has to do with being down to earth.


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They can be happy without expensive cars, diamonds, and designer outfits.

This is where you can get into some serious problems generalizing. This applies to some women, but not all, even in Siberia. Likewise, I know many Canadian women who are also happy without expensive cars, diamonds and designer outfits.

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But when a man presents something beautiful, a Russian girl will enjoy it.

The same could be true of most women in most countries.
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Gator on July 31, 2011, 09:21:24 AM
Vincenzo,
 
A long list; however, you forgot to state that RW eat much more cabbage, carrots and beets than "sea products."
 
Things are changing. 
 
 
But I know that Russian girls are more down to earth than American, especially in provincial cities, and especially in Siberia.

The major differences perhaps derive from a different level of lifestyle affordability.  Provincial RW ususally do not have the same income as Moscow RW. 
 
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They can cook, sew, knit.

Rare indeed is the RW who does not cook.  Moscow RW over 30 can sew and knit yet choose not to unless compelled.  Such was a necessity in the past.  Today, a RW working in Moscow at a good job will earn enough money to pay someone to sew.   
 
I do not know if the very young RW can sew.  My father knew how to plow with a mule.  I never needed that skill.   :D
 
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They can easily walk miles on high heels.

 
In 2002 women from Moscow, Kiev and St. Piter walked miles with me as I explored their cities.  They also walked to mass transit to work because they did not have cars. 
 
In 1987 my Dutch friends and I drove to the Kremlin walls and parked.  Plenty of free parking spaces.  We returned and people were lined up to take photos of themselves in front of his Mercedes Benz.  20 years later it was very difficult to find a parking space near my ex-wife's Moscow apartment outside the Third Ring, and just three years earlier such was not a problem.
 
 
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They can be happy without expensive cars, diamonds, and designer outfits. But when a man presents something beautiful, a Russian girl will enjoy it.

Confusing; AW appreciate beautiful gifts.  Regardless of her city, a good RW will  judge you based on your character, not the pretty gifts you provide.  Yet there is always some peer pressure ("keeping up with the Jones's").  And I doubt any RW will accept a man spending more on himself than on her.
 
 
Vincenzo, I get the impression that either you do not have much discretionary income or you are a cheapskate.
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Vincenzo on July 31, 2011, 09:32:18 AM

It sounds like you see only what you want to see. There are plenty of Mercedes, BMWs, Lexii, Hummers and other more expensive vehicles in Siberia.
 
How would you know anyone purchased their car used in the first place???
Well, it was easy to spot used Toyotas because most of them were Right Hand Drive. Mark II, Crown, Corona...
I even strolled to an auto market. 90% cars were Japanese. However, I saw the French Peugeot RCZ, it was gorgeous.

Check the steering wheels.
(http://i.drom.ru/foto/album_photos/11/10185/4815_103702.jpg)
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Jooky on July 31, 2011, 10:32:34 AM
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Well, it was easy to spot used Toyotas because most of them were Right Hand Drive.

I'm not following your 'logic' here... are you saying you deduced that people buy used cars because they are right hand drive?  :-\  Can't buy a new right hand drive car?
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: siberia on July 31, 2011, 01:46:53 PM
@ Vincenzo, yes, I am with Jooky, my Father in Law from NSK bought a brand new right hand drive car. Why would you assume it was used just cause it was right hand drive?  :cluebat:
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Vincenzo on July 31, 2011, 04:54:13 PM
@ Vincenzo, yes, I am with Jooky, my Father in Law from NSK bought a brand new right hand drive car. Why would you assume it was used just cause it was right hand drive?  :cluebat:
Russia is not the UK. No dealership sells brand new right hand drive cars.
However, the car laws in Japan are very strict and the public transportation is excellent; so, the Japanese dump hardly driven cars when their autos can't pass checks (shaken).

What year is you father-in-law's car? Does he have warranty?
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: GQBlues on July 31, 2011, 06:57:06 PM
.... If a woman has good character, good personality, and I can have a good emotional connection with her, I can be her friend. That's it. She has to be appealing to my eye to be my lover otherwise I can't get it up. Men should be honest with themselves. If a woman is a good friend and good lover, then she's a keeper.

Personally, I can't be too quick to say that BillyB. I've had more than a few FWB in my lifetime to agree with you on this.
 
As for a woman's attractiveness as the leading motivation for sex...I'll give you that's part of it. All of it? I don't agree. The ol' saying comes to mind, BillyB; ...for every gorgeous woman out there, there's a man who's sick and tired of ------ her.."
 
The whole 'I do it for her pleasure just so I can plant the flag of Iwo Jima, beat my chest and scream like Tarzan' talk smacks of what we cred P-Dope. Players play the game one-and-done.
 
C'mon BillyB, get real...
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Nat on August 01, 2011, 01:41:05 AM
Russia is not the UK. No dealership sells brand new right hand drive cars.

They are easily smuggled in the country :) And speaking of warranty - I don't know how it is in the USA, but in CIS countries warranty is more of a headache than a benefit :)
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: BillyB on August 01, 2011, 11:21:41 AM
As for a woman's attractiveness as the leading motivation for sex...I'll give you that's part of it. All of it? I don't agree. The ol' saying comes to mind, BillyB; ...for every gorgeous woman out there, there's a man who's sick and tired of ------ her.."
 

 
I didn't say I could sleep with a beautiful woman no matter how bad her attitude is. Just because I stated I got standards when it comes to a woman's beauty doesn't mean I got no standards when it comes to her attitude or mental capacity. You're just assuming.
 

Aside from girls like Paris Hilton and the drama she brings, I don't agree that every gorgeous woman is a biatch. Go visit a trailer park and see how many ugly women possess bad attitudes.
 

I admire women who take care of their body. That's a healthy attitude. I've found many beatiful women possessing healthy attitudes and I've found women who neglect their bodies and personal hygene are usually depressed and disgruntled. The quality of body and mind usually goes hand in hand.
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Boethius on August 14, 2011, 01:20:24 PM
The problem with your argument Billy is that you almost always talk about unlikely extremes. So yes, I will agree that most people have limits but there are other factors at work here and I would also argue that if there was such a disconnect between a couple that one would gain such enormous amounts of weight without regard for their partner, there would usually have to be something else wrong with the relationship. And yes, in these extreme cases, attraction would probably suffer for most people, but perhaps this would not only be due to the weight gain but because of the underlying causes. I say this as weight gain in itself doesn't seem to effect the attraction amongst all couples. Anyway, your 100Kg weight gain examples are going to be rare even in the US, certainly so in Europe, so it's a silly argument.

But getting back to your constant harping, I'd say your idea of an acceptable weight gain threshold is fairly low and your view of what is "attractive" is superficial. That you so easily dismiss the emotional component of attraction in a loving long term relationship just reinforces my view that you are immature and emotionally damaged or unavailable.

He will never understand what you are saying, Ade.  Just as his female counterpart, who will leave a man if he loses a job, or finds another man willing to take her who makes more money, won't understand why others find this abnormal.
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Darth_Budda on August 14, 2011, 02:17:40 PM
They are easily smuggled in the country :) And speaking of warranty - I don't know how it is in the USA, but in CIS countries warranty is more of a headache than a benefit :)


The USA is the same,,,,

Warranties are just a scam to get you to pay more....

Like with electronics,, They wanted $25 dollars for a 2 year replacement warranty on a $70 dollar web cam..

In two years it will be obsolete,,,,,,,
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: tfcrew on August 14, 2011, 02:23:47 PM
Everything I get seems to be obsolete the next day.
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Boethius on August 14, 2011, 02:26:33 PM

The USA is the same,,,,

Warranties are just a scam to get you to pay more....

Like with electronics,, They wanted $25 dollars for a 2 year replacement warranty on a $70 dollar web cam..

In two years it will be obsolete,,,,,,,

In Canada, warranties are good.  The kids' XBox had a problem, and when I called, Microsoft sent a new one, no problems.  Same with Dell laptops under warranty.
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Muzh on August 14, 2011, 02:49:56 PM

The USA is the same,,,,

Warranties are just a scam to get you to pay more....

Like with electronics,, They wanted $25 dollars for a 2 year replacement warranty on a $70 dollar web cam..

In two years it will be obsolete,,,,,,,


Darth, I bought a digital camera at Office Max and paid $14 for two-year warranty. Before the end of two years I contacted them because the pictures were not coming out good. I didn't have to mention that my little son lubricated the lens with yogurt. Got all the money I paid for the camera, including tax.
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: BC on August 14, 2011, 05:18:28 PM

Darth, I bought a digital camera at Office Max and paid $14 for two-year warranty. Before the end of two years I contacted them because the pictures were not coming out good. I didn't have to mention that my little son lubricated the lens with yogurt. Got all the money I paid for the camera, including tax.

My son took apart my digital SLR.. to see what's inside.  It's hard to get mad at a curious 7 yr old.  Cleaned the prints off that little mirror and lenses - works fine now.  Technology is quite robust now days.
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Vincenzo on August 20, 2011, 02:23:02 PM
Another American movie about pirates.
Again, the producer couldn't find a good looking American actress.

The French mermaid Syrena is so lovely.

(http://www.fushionmag.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/Pirates-of-the-Caribbean-4-Philip-and-Syrena-499x331.jpg)

The Australian mermaid Tamara is too vicious.
(http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110603211312/pirates/images/thumb/b/b8/Tamara.png/300px-Tamara.png)
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: mies on August 20, 2011, 09:13:40 PM
Life's unexpected challenges is when you lose your job or when your face gets burned and arm amputated after a car accident. If you've been good to your spouse, he/she may stay by your side because you created love and a strong bond in your relationship.

Those things and others are out of your control. Some things are within your control. Over eating, alcholism, and gambling are a few. Being in control is attractive to women. I don't have those problems.

Billy, sometimes weight gain is a result or a side effect of health issues, for example hormonal dis balance. Hormonal disbalance can develop "naturally" or be triggered by hormonal therapy used to treat some other serious disease. After all, you aren't a God to control your body to that extent. If you could control your body that well, - why do you look your age and the way you look, and don't look like a 20yo Apollo? Do you think your weight/BMI is perfect? 
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: mies on August 20, 2011, 09:14:49 PM
To the Russian Ladies on the board,


What is the "right" answer to the aforementioned question? To me the question has subtext of "What is this man's defect?"

Thanks.

The right answer is the honest one.
No need to look for subtext when you answer this question honestly.
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: JR on September 15, 2011, 10:34:37 PM
Do we have to go over this yet again?
Younger
Thinner
Easier
Or the guy has no social skills
Are we done yet? ;)
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: rockford75 on October 26, 2011, 08:57:21 AM
LOL..... :cluebat:   Thats like asking WHY DONT YOU DATE A CANADIAN WOMAN? The answer is simple. A waste of time and money!!! I was born and live in Canada I have dated lots of ladies all a waste of time and money. They are materialistic you need a big bank account to keep her happy. If there not happy wwwhhhhooooaaaa Look out shes out with your best friend or whoever taking it all off for them! I been to Russia once and iam going back in a couple days here to see my girl. I must say I got the most use of my dollar flying to Russia and touring. Man!! What a beautiful country!!! The ladies there are way more serious about there men and family. Love the old fashioned values! To all FSU ladies hold your heads high!! After going to Russia a couple times yes i had to save some money. But if you do the math it was far cheaper for me to go to Russia for a month at a time. Then waste time and money on Canadian women!
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Boethius on October 26, 2011, 12:18:35 PM
LOL..... :cluebat:   Thats like asking WHY DONT YOU DATE A CANADIAN WOMAN? The answer is simple. A waste of time and money!!! I was born and live in Canada I have dated lots of ladies all a waste of time and money. They are materialistic you need a big bank account to keep her happy. If there not happy wwwhhhhooooaaaa Look out shes out with your best friend or whoever taking it all off for them! I been to Russia once and iam going back in a couple days here to see my girl. I must say I got the most use of my dollar flying to Russia and touring. Man!! What a beautiful country!!! The ladies there are way more serious about there men and family. Love the old fashioned values! To all FSU ladies hold your heads high!! After going to Russia a couple times yes i had to save some money. But if you do the math it was far cheaper for me to go to Russia for a month at a time. Then waste time and money on Canadian women!

I'd say the fault lies in you, and what you are looking for in a Canadian woman, not in all Canadian women.


I know lots of young Canadian women who don't care about a man's wallet.


If you want a FSUW, great.  But let's be realistic.  The issue, in the end, is not really "values".
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: GQBlues on October 26, 2011, 12:30:34 PM
I like Canadian women. They're usually gorgeous women. At least the many I've seen in my life before.
 
I just wished they shaved their armpits a little more often...  :P   :)
 
 
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: BC on October 26, 2011, 12:48:00 PM
I like Canadian women. They're usually gorgeous women. At least the many I've seen in my life before.
 
I just wished they shaved their armpits a little more often...  :P   :)

comeon GQ you know better than that...  Armpits I can handle... but unshaven legs and not blonde?.....  That was long ago in Germany..

All quite rare nowdays though. Shaved is 'in'.

As it regards RW, IMHE the razor is quite standard.. for both sexes and includes more than just facial hair.  Quite nice actually.

Tried yet?
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: ML on October 26, 2011, 12:57:46 PM
Is it just my experience, but have others noticed that many FSUW seem to have very little hair on their legs?  And the hair that is there is very light and thinly scattered.

So I have been with several that do not shave their legs; but it is generally not noticeable unless you get up really close and observe carefully.
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Boethius on October 26, 2011, 01:15:49 PM
I like Canadian women. They're usually gorgeous women. At least the many I've seen in my life before.
 
I just wished they shaved their armpits a little more often...  :P   :)

Hey, it's cold here.
 
 
We need to keep warm somehow. :P
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: GQBlues on October 26, 2011, 02:35:05 PM
...Tried yet?

LOL! On the fear of TMI....let's just say, close by a hair!
 
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: GQBlues on October 26, 2011, 04:29:42 PM

Hey, it's cold here.
 
 
We need to keep warm somehow. :P 

Hah! Don't laugh but I once knew a gorgeous gal from Alaska who actually lived by that sentiment. Not to get warm, per se, but reasoned she's fully covered a great deal of time all year when single so she found no need to be as ritualistic.  :-X
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: kmin on November 14, 2011, 10:27:13 AM
For me it seems that many AW are not very serious about long term relationships and marriage.  Most just want to hang out and don't like the idea of being "tied down".

Thought I would try talking to women from Russian.  So far it has worked out great and hope to be traveling this winter to meet up with one I have been talking to.

Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: ML on November 14, 2011, 10:37:22 AM
Our Lily posted this in Billy's thread:

"This paragraph by you caught my attention. Could I ask for your opinion on why would men marry at all? If a man can have a quality girlfriend and spend lots of time with her, assuming she is local, why would he want to marry her?"

http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=11638.msg282021#new

Are you saying AW have the same view?
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: JR on December 04, 2011, 04:28:48 PM
"Why don't you just date an American woman?"
A. the selection of available FSUW will be "younger"
B. the selection of available FSUW will be "hotter"
C. the selection of available FSUW will be "easier"
D. the AM does not posess the level of social skills or bait to date AW of the same calibre that he can get in the FSU.
Have I said this before?
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Lily on December 04, 2011, 06:20:04 PM
You did JR, except your item D was not that developed ;)
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: brave girl on December 04, 2011, 07:11:10 PM
"Why don't you just date an American woman?"
A. the selection of available FSUW will be "younger"
B. the selection of available FSUW will be "hotter"
C. the selection of available FSUW will be "easier"
D. the AM does not posess the level of social skills or bait to date AW of the same calibre that he can get in the FSU.
Have I said this before?

You forgot the most important:
 
E. American man with shallow pockets can marry the most beautiful Russian girl!!  :rolleyes2:
 
brave girl
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: JR on December 05, 2011, 12:23:03 AM
Is this really a behavior of an AW? I would like to know, because as soon as I now live in Canada, I may be perceived by WM just like they perceive their usual AW.

Where can I read about how WW behave at dating?
It's non-sense Lily, it is not even close to the normal behavior of AW that it's actually laughable.
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Muzh on December 05, 2011, 07:52:07 AM

You forgot the most important:
 
E. American man with shallow pockets can marry the most beautiful Russian girl!!  :rolleyes2:
 
brave girl

Brave girl, you mind elaborating on your point of view? I'd like to hear it.
 
Thx
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: JR on December 05, 2011, 09:08:02 AM

Brave girl, you mind elaborating on your point of view? I'd like to hear it.
 
Thx
Muzh, it's a rather long running and quite boring tete a tete between myself and brave er ShallowGirl about her dilusional concepts regarding love, life the universe and everything ))
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: ML on December 05, 2011, 09:24:07 AM
Quote from: Lily on July 28, 2011, 01:36:24 PM (http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=13748.msg273796#msg273796)Is this really a behavior of an AW? I would like to know, because as soon as I now live in Canada, I may be perceived by WM just like they perceive their usual AW.

Where can I read about how WW behave at dating?


It's non-sense Lily, it is not even close to the normal behavior of AW that it's actually laughable.


What particular reference or example are you two talking about?
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Gator on December 05, 2011, 10:17:17 AM

You forgot the most important:
 
E. American man with shallow pockets can marry the most beautiful Russian girl!!  :rolleyes2:
 
brave girl

Brave Girl,
 
Welcome back!  It is good to see you again.  You have been away too long.
 
 
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Gator on December 05, 2011, 10:19:33 AM

Brave girl, you mind elaborating on your point of view? I'd like to hear it.
 
Thx

Muzh, Brave Girl does not elaborate for anyone.  :)  However, she has many posts, about as brief as this one.  If you read some of her posts you will understand her point of view.   
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: JR on February 03, 2012, 09:49:06 AM
You did JR, except your item D was not that developed ;)

In a word: D = Loser.
 
He does not possess the attributes (looks, money, etc.) to attract the same level woman in his home town as he can in the FSU, or he lacks the "courage" to approach them and uses the internet to hide behind.
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: kmin on February 03, 2012, 02:00:20 PM
Now that I have had some more time being in a relationship with a RW and getting to know a number of RW who have married foriegn men;  There is one reoccurring theme that I am picking up from RW... 

They have a great appreciation for a "Good Man".  More than I could have ever thought possible with an AW.  In fact I have never had an AW tell me she fell in love with her man/husband because he was such a good man, yet over and over again I hear from RW that the fact her man was a "good man" is what made her want to be with him and get married.
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: ML on February 03, 2012, 07:10:37 PM
kmin, I wouldn't get too carried away with the particular terminology that RW use.

There is some probability that they mean something entirely different than you are attributing to their words.  It is not their native language.

It is well known that incorrect words are often used by many people and seem to live on forever.  There is the well known case of misuse of the word 'greedy' by FSU people.

Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Chicagoguy on February 04, 2012, 07:09:07 AM
Now that I have had some more time being in a relationship with a RW and getting to know a number of RW who have married foriegn men;  There is one reoccurring theme that I am picking up from RW... 

They have a great appreciation for a "Good Man".  More than I could have ever thought possible with an AW.  In fact I have never had an AW tell me she fell in love with her man/husband because he was such a good man, yet over and over again I hear from RW that the fact her man was a "good man" is what made her want to be with him and get married.
I do believe they say what they mean and mean what they say when referring to a "good man". As my wife explains it to me it is that  too many of the Russian men are unacceptable.
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: vwrw on March 13, 2012, 03:26:23 PM
Our Lily posted this in Billy's thread:

"This paragraph by you caught my attention. Could I ask for your opinion on why would men marry at all? If a man can have a quality girlfriend and spend lots of time with her, assuming she is local, why would he want to marry her?"

http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=11638.msg282021#new (http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=11638.msg282021#new)

Are you saying AW have the same view?


I know two reasons why men marry:
- they want to have children and many women would not agree to procreate if they are not married.


-men fall in love with women who want marriage for some reason. 
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: happygilmore on April 22, 2012, 08:02:57 AM
American Women have lost "Traditional' values, when I was younger men were expected to open doors and get the ladies chair.
this is the way i was raised, i try this with AW and they don't appreciate it even try to stop me at times.
I want a LADY not a tramp
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Shadow on April 22, 2012, 08:11:26 AM
American Women have lost "Traditional' values, when I was younger men were expected to open doors and get the ladies chair.
this is the way i was raised, i try this with AW and they don't appreciate it even try to stop me at times.
I want a LADY not a tramp
Could you please specify the traditional values other than expecting you to be her butler ?
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Vasilisa on April 30, 2012, 10:08:46 PM
I don't know what you are talking about, guys, most middle-class  AW I have met so far look fine to me, they want to get married and have kids, they have family values and can  cook, too. Many of them look great also.

The main difference is that they are not that direct  it's harder to have a serious conversation with the one you don't know well and they are also not that desperate as they don't have that pressure of the society.

Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Muzh on May 01, 2012, 07:24:05 AM
I don't know what you are talking about, guys, most middle-class  AW I have met so far look fine to me, they want to get married and have kids, they have family values and can  cook, too. Many of them look great also.

The main difference is that they are not that direct  it's harder to have a serious conversation with the one you don't know well and they are also not that desperate as they don't have that pressure of the society.

Ta da!
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: kmin on June 13, 2012, 04:18:19 PM
I don't know what you are talking about, guys, most middle-class  AW I have met so far look fine to me, they want to get married and have kids, they have family values and can  cook, too. Many of them look great also.

The main difference is that they are not that direct  it's harder to have a serious conversation with the one you don't know well and they are also not that desperate as they don't have that pressure of the society.

Perhaps this is just my experience; The AW are and want all the above, however it seams to me only if the guy is "right (as in near perfect)" and she feels perfect about the situation.  Once in the relationship they don't really give 100%, they will give a portion to the relationship if they feel like it.

For my experience my Russian Fiance really appreciates me and puts forth the same strong effort as I do toward the relationship, perhaps I just lucked out with her and not with the AW I have dated in the past.
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: ML on June 13, 2012, 05:40:40 PM
American Women have lost "Traditional' values, when I was younger men were expected to open doors and get the ladies chair.
this is the way i was raised, i try this with AW and they don't appreciate it even try to stop me at times.
I want a LADY not a tramp

Pretty far jump there.
If the woman doesn't want you to open a door for her . . . she is a tramp.

I would rather suspect that most tramps are very willing to let you open doors, etc.
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: ML on June 13, 2012, 05:45:56 PM
All this continued BS about desiring FSUW because they have 'traditional values' that AW don't.

Only two clear differences between 'average' women in each group.

That is the  FSUW are more slender than the AW and the FSUW will 'accept' a larger age gap.

That's it folks.

All the rest is hooooooeeeeeeyyyyyy.
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Slumba on June 13, 2012, 07:27:20 PM
All this continued BS about desiring FSUW because they have 'traditional values' that AW don't.

Only two clear differences between 'average' women in each group.

That is the  FSUW are more slender than the AW and the FSUW will 'accept' a larger age gap.

That's it folks.

All the rest is hooooooeeeeeeyyyyyy.

ML, what about (I am but an FSUW beginner, have yet to make a first trip)

--level of education
--level of seriousness about life in terms of having goals and wanting children
--ability to avoid being distracted by Dancing With The Stars and similar inanities
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: pitbull on June 13, 2012, 07:38:48 PM
ML, what about (I am but an FSUW beginner, have yet to make a first trip)

--level of education
--level of seriousness about life in terms of having goals and wanting children
--ability to avoid being distracted by Dancing With The Stars and similar inanities
Whats wrong with Dancing With The Stars?????
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Gator on June 13, 2012, 07:48:01 PM
All this continued BS about desiring FSUW because they have 'traditional values' that AW don't.

Only two clear differences between 'average' women in each group.

That is the  FSUW are more slender than the AW and the FSUW will 'accept' a larger age gap.

That's it folks.

All the rest is hooooooeeeeeeyyyyyy.

Sounds like you are into the physical.  I too appreciate that, yet there is more dependent upon the woman.  I have noted some key differences, many of which fall under the umbrella of traditional values.  For example, RW are imprinted by a society where the men have long had higher testosterone levels than the women,   :D
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: ML on June 13, 2012, 08:33:50 PM
ML, what about (I am but an FSUW beginner, have yet to make a first trip)

--level of education
--level of seriousness about life in terms of having goals and wanting children
--ability to avoid being distracted by Dancing With The Stars and similar inanities

No difference between average FSUW and AW regarding any of these three.

My current Gal loves DWTS.  She was very busy with ESL classes all year, but she always remembered exactly the two nights that DWTS was on and made sure she had time for them.  Of course there was always the added interest of Karina from Kharkiv and Maksim from Odesa (and this past session his brother also).

And, on my trips I had several segments of DWTS on my laptop and all the gals I dated liked watching it.

This idea that FSUW in general are smarter and have higher level of education compared to AW is also false.

The reason this got started and is perpetuated is that it might apply to the FSUW who get involved in seeking a man from the west.  You have to have a little more than average going for you in terms of smarts and willingness to try something new to think of uprooting yourself and going to a new land.  But these women do not represent the average FSU woman.
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: ML on June 13, 2012, 08:35:28 PM
Whats wrong with Dancing With The Stars?????

One very big thing.
They won't take me.
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: ML on June 13, 2012, 08:38:24 PM

Sounds like you are into the physical.  I too appreciate that, yet there is more dependent upon the woman.  I have noted some key differences, many of which fall under the umbrella of traditional values.  For example, RW are imprinted by a society where the men have long had higher testosterone levels than the women,   :D

For any example you could give of a value or trait that a FSUW you met had, I could give an example of a FSUW who did not have that trait or value.
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Slumba on June 13, 2012, 09:30:19 PM
Whats wrong with Dancing With The Stars?????

I was only using it as an example of something on TV that has no educational content or other merit, it is purely passive entertainment..
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: calmissile on June 13, 2012, 10:17:07 PM
ML,

While I agree with your premise that two large differences between AW and FSUW are the two examples you stated, I believe that there are many more clear differences.  American culture has changed a lot over the past 40 years.  Every women wanting the white picket fence and a large family has changed from the time it was nearly universal.

Some of the differences I have noticed include:
1.  Many American women have now put their career in a higher priority than marriage and raising a family.
2.  FSUW are not only more slender, they also work hard to maintain their beauty for years to come and do their best to look nice whenever away from home.  This is not true of a large percentage of AW.
3.  FSUW dress much nicer than AW when in public.  Just go to Walmart or a mall to make a comparison.
4.  Having children out of wedlock has become so common in the US that we no longer can use the term 'illegitimate' referring to children out of wedlock.  While there are many FSUW that are divorced with children, my observation is that most of them were married when they had their children.  You might see this as a degradation of 'family values' in the US.
5.  The temperament of FSUW is very different from AW as evidenced by many of the posters both single and married as well as descriptions in various books.
6.  Of course there are huge cultural differences between FSUW and AW that are described in many books, posts, etc.
7.  The closeness of family and extended family is much more prevalent with FSUW.  Many of us in America have our families scattered across the whole USA, mainly due to employment opportunities.  In the FSU the bond is so tight that adult children often live with parents even after getting married.   These are certainly clear differences between FSUW and AW.  Not saying it is good or bad, just that there are a lot of clear differences that you overlooked.
8.  Another difference I suspect to be true, but cannot prove is the use of illegal/recreational drugs by FSUW vs AW.  My limited experience leads me to believe that most FSUW are not into casual use of recreational drugs.  On the other hand, the common use of drugs by both married and single AW (and men) in the US is far greater than most people believe.  This is particular true for AW that are single and not married raising a family.  On the US side, I know it from observation, the FSU side I am not certain but have not read a lot of posts about it nor witnessed it.
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: timinua on June 13, 2012, 10:47:24 PM
ML, what about (I am but an FSUW beginner, have yet to make a first trip)

--level of education
--level of seriousness about life in terms of having goals and wanting children
--ability to avoid being distracted by Dancing With The Stars and similar inanities

Education:

There is a near 100% literacy rate here (vs. about 80% in the US). Most people have a university degree. The problem is that the whole educational system here sucks, from endemic corruption to teaching styles and curricula that are completely incompetent. There are quite a few very smart people here, but they are smart DESPITE the educational system, not because of it.

The only thing a degree proves here absolutely is that the student didn't die between the ages of 17 and 22.

Seriousness:

Yes, most are very family oriented and serious about their obligations to the family (especially children) and are so at a much younger age than in the West.

Inanities:

If you are considering a girl in her 20s and think that the Eurovision Song Contest, Dancing With The Stars, X Factor, Ukraine's Got Talent, reality shows, posting internet memes, texting like a bandit, updating Vkontakte, playing Angry Birds or Fruit Ninja are all inane, then you have your work cut out for you.

And, generally, Ukrainian girls/women are far more materialistic than their Western counterparts...
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: newjason on June 14, 2012, 12:57:30 AM
Education:
...
And, generally, Ukrainian girls/women are far more materialistic than their Western counterparts...

I'll drink to that.   8)
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Ranetka on June 14, 2012, 05:03:04 AM

Sounds like you are into the physical. 


Is that news for you?  :cluebat: 
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: ghost of moon goddess on June 14, 2012, 05:47:48 AM
Education:

And, generally, Ukrainian girls/women are far more materialistic than their Western counterparts...

Timinua, do you mean you have explored the effect of nationality on women's level of materialism?!  :o

Could you please reveal your method of assessing UW's and their Western sisters' degree of being materialistic ?
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: timinua on June 14, 2012, 06:24:47 AM
Timinua, do you mean you have explored the effect of nationality on women's level of materialism?!  :o

Could you please reveal your method of assessing UW's and their Western sisters' degree of being materialistic ?
Are you going for sarcasm because my point is so ludicrous?

I have a PhD in English with a minor in cultural theory, so yes, as nerdy as it may be, analyzing culture is something that I do.

I lived in the UK for 17 years, France for a year, the US for 14 years, and I have been living in Ukraine for 8. I was a professor in the US, and I have taught at universities and at my own school in Ukraine. I would conservatively estimate having taught about a 1000 US and a 1000 Ukrainian female students. In every course that I teach, the topic of social class, socioeconomics, and materialism is discussed.

But maybe that sampling isn't wide enough to make a statement such as I did...

Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Ranetka on June 14, 2012, 06:32:36 AM
Are you going for sarcasm because my point is so ludicrous?

I have a PhD in English with a minor in cultural theory, so yes, as nerdy as it may be, analyzing culture is something that I do.

I lived in the UK for 17 years, France for a year, the US for 14 years, and I have been living in Ukraine for 8. I was a professor in the US, and I have taught at universities and at my own school in Ukraine. I would conservatively estimate having taught about a 1000 US and a 1000 Ukrainian female students. In every course that I teach, the topic of social class, socioeconomics, and materialism is discussed.

But maybe that sampling isn't wide enough to make a statement such as I did...


As long as you have made an adjustment based on the fact that expats (and MOB business) normally attract girls more materialistic than the average than your findings are valid.
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: ghost of moon goddess on June 14, 2012, 07:07:28 AM
Are you going for sarcasm because my point is so ludicrous?


Ludicrous? No! I find it too daring




But maybe that sampling isn't wide enough to make a statement such as I did...


That sampling is not enough to provide any statements to label  the UW . IMHO
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Boethius on June 14, 2012, 07:46:06 AM
ML,

While I agree with your premise that two large differences between AW and FSUW are the two examples you stated, I believe that there are many more clear differences.  American culture has changed a lot over the past 40 years.  Every women wanting the white picket fence and a large family has changed from the time it was nearly universal.

Some of the differences I have noticed include:
1.  Many American women have now put their career in a higher priority than marriage and raising a family.

Most AW do not have "careers".  Most work in pink collar jobs.  They usually don't have a choice as to whether or not to work.  This is evident if you look at the decline of income since the 1970's.
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2.  FSUW are not only more slender, they also work hard to maintain their beauty for years to come and do their best to look nice whenever away from home.  This is not true of a large percentage of AW.

True, they remain more slender with age.  But AW spend over a billion dollars annually on each of the diet and beauty industries.

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3.  FSUW dress much nicer than AW when in public.  Just go to Walmart or a mall to make a comparison.

True, but so do FSUM.  My husband would never leave the house without polishing his shoes.  How many AM do the same?
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4.  Having children out of wedlock has become so common in the US that we no longer can use the term 'illegitimate' referring to children out of wedlock.  While there are many FSUW that are divorced with children, my observation is that most of them were married when they had their children.  You might see this as a degradation of 'family values' in the US.

Is it somehow less of a degradation of "family values" to have children and then dump them, so a mother is raising them alone? 

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5.  The temperament of FSUW is very different from AW as evidenced by many of the posters both single and married as well as descriptions in various books.

Temperaments vary.  People are people the world over.

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7.  The closeness of family and extended family is much more prevalent with FSUW.  Many of us in America have our families scattered across the whole USA, mainly due to employment opportunities.  In the FSU the bond is so tight that adult children often live with parents even after getting married.   These are certainly clear differences between FSUW and AW.  Not saying it is good or bad, just that there are a lot of clear differences that you overlooked.


Adult children live with parents out of economic necessity, rather than a bond.

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8.  Another difference I suspect to be true, but cannot prove is the use of illegal/recreational drugs by FSUW vs AW.  My limited experience leads me to believe that most FSUW are not into casual use of recreational drugs.  On the other hand, the common use of drugs by both married and single AW (and men) in the US is far greater than most people believe.  This is particular true for AW that are single and not married raising a family.  On the US side, I know it from observation, the FSU side I am not certain but have not read a lot of posts about it nor witnessed it.


I suspect this is generational. 
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: alex330 on June 14, 2012, 08:34:32 AM
8.  Another difference I suspect to be true, but cannot prove is the use of illegal/recreational drugs by FSUW vs AW.  My limited experience leads me to believe that most FSUW are not into casual use of recreational drugs.  On the other hand, the common use of drugs by both married and single AW (and men) in the US is far greater than most people believe.  This is particular true for AW that are single and not married raising a family.  On the US side, I know it from observation, the FSU side I am not certain but have not read a lot of posts about it nor witnessed it.

The drug use definitely seems to be astronomically higher in the US. Not that there is not access to drugs in the FSU (there is a huge heroin problem there currently) but it seems they are not done recreationally as frequently. My wife did not believe the stories I told her about the women here. She wondered why I could not find a normal girl locally.
After her arrival and meeting some women her words were "What the farg is wrong with these girls?".

On the materialistic it does seem that RW do appreciate nicer things more than certain circles of AM. I think looking good and image is generally important to those from the FSU. From my personal experience you can find a woman who likes to look nice and can look like a million bucks without all the designer label price tags.
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: timinua on June 14, 2012, 09:43:42 AM
Ludicrous? No! I find it too daring

That sampling is not enough to provide any statements to label  the UW . IMHO

I'll get back to you once I've surveyed all 27 million Ukrainian females.
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: ML on June 14, 2012, 10:18:15 AM

That sampling is not enough to provide any statements to label  the UW . IMHO


Actually his sample is quite enough.

According to the  central limit theorem (http://stattrek.com/Help/Glossary.aspx?Target=Central_limit_theorem),  the  sampling distribution (http://stattrek.com/Help/Glossary.aspx?Target=Sampling_distribution) of a statistic (like a sample mean) will follow a  normal distribution (http://stattrek.com/Help/Glossary.aspx?Target=Normal%20distribution), as long as the sample size is sufficiently large.  Therefore, when we know the standard deviation of the population, we can compute a  z-score (http://stattrek.com/Help/Glossary.aspx?Target=Z-score), and use the normal distribution to evaluate probabilities with the sample mean.
But sample sizes are sometimes small, and often we do not know the standard deviation of the population. When either of these problems occur, statisticians rely on the distribution of the t statistic (also known as the t score), whose values are given by:
t = [ x - μ ] / [ s / sqrt( n ) ]
where x is the sample mean, μ is the population mean, s is the standard deviation of the sample, and n is the sample size.  The distribution of the t statistic is called the t distribution or the Student t distribution.
The t distribution allows us to conduct statistical analyses on certain data sets that are not appropriate for analysis, using the normal distribution.
The t distribution can be used with any statistic having a bell-shaped distribution (i.e., approximately normal).  The  central limit theorem (http://stattrek.com/Help/Glossary.aspx?Target=Central_limit_theorem) states that the sampling distribution of a statistic will be normal or nearly normal, if any of the following conditions apply.
 This principle can be found in any standard statistics textbook and is here taken from: 
http://stattrek.com/probability-distributions/t-distribution.aspx
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Ranetka on June 14, 2012, 10:22:30 AM




....bla bla bla...math...





ML,


it's not a normal distribution.


The girls gravitating to expats/MOB are more materialistic than the average.

Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: ML on June 14, 2012, 10:40:23 AM
 The  central limit theorem (http://stattrek.com/Help/Glossary.aspx?Target=Central_limit_theorem) states that the sampling distribution of a statistic will be normal or nearly normal, if any of the following conditions apply.
 
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Ranetka on June 14, 2012, 10:51:15 AM
The  central limit theorem (http://stattrek.com/Help/Glossary.aspx?Target=Central_limit_theorem) states that the sampling distribution of a statistic will be normal or nearly normal, if any of the following conditions apply.
 
  • The population distribution is normal.
  • The sampling distribution is symmetric (http://stattrek.com/Help/Glossary.aspx?Target=Symmetry),  unimodal (http://stattrek.com/Help/Glossary.aspx?Target=Unimodal%20distribution), without outliers (http://stattrek.com/Help/Glossary.aspx?Target=Outlier), and the sample size is 15 or less.
  • The sampling distribution is moderately skewed (http://stattrek.com/Help/Glossary.aspx?Target=Skewness), unimodal, without outliers, and the sample size is between 16 and 40.
  • The sample size is greater than 40, without outliers.


Hmmm . I need to look at it.


I say you can check French girls v Ukrainian girls because in both countries you would compare expats girlfriends to expats girlfriends. But to compare Ukrainian to Americans you will have expat girlfriends vs "normal population" (as you would have exposure to "normal population". )
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: ghost of moon goddess on June 14, 2012, 11:00:35 AM
I'll get back to you once I've surveyed all 27 million Ukrainian females.

Don't waste your time on 27 million materialistic Ukrainian females. Get back to your family, please  :)



Actually his sample is quite enough.

According to the  central limit theorem (http://stattrek.com/Help/Glossary.aspx?Target=Central_limit_theorem),  the  sampling distribution (http://stattrek.com/Help/Glossary.aspx?Target=Sampling_distribution) of a statistic (like a sample mean) will follow a  normal distribution (http://stattrek.com/Help/Glossary.aspx?Target=Normal%20distribution), as long as the sample size is sufficiently large.  Therefore,   .... states that the sampling distribution of a statistic will be normal or nearly normal, if any of the following conditions apply.
 ....


Does this make you laugh or cry???
 
:ROFL:

Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: ML on June 14, 2012, 11:13:55 AM

I say you can check French girls v Ukrainian girls because in both countries you would compare expats girlfriends to expats girlfriends. But to compare Ukrainian to Americans you will have expat girlfriends vs "normal population" (as you would have exposure to "normal population". )

But Tim said:  I would conservatively estimate having taught about a 1000 US and a 1000 Ukrainian female students.

He wasn't involved with MOB gals or those who had expat boyfriends.
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Ranetka on June 14, 2012, 11:17:11 AM
But Tim said:  I would conservatively estimate having taught about a 1000 US and a 1000 Ukrainian female students.

He wasn't involved with MOB gals or those who had expat boyfriends.




OK
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: vwrw on June 14, 2012, 11:23:49 AM
I agree that combination of  factors influences WM  to chase FSUW. In my opinion the factors are 1) lighter weight of FSUW, 2) their willingness to accept a larger age difference, 3) their being street smart despite their incompetent educational system, and 4)  their efforts to look nice. All these factors were already mentioned.


The other three important factors are 1) heavy marketing of FSUW, 2) their willingness to relocate and begin their life anew and 3) their seeming similarity to Western people.
 
The #1...marketing is the impetus of trade, and the idea to look for a bride in FSU will come to any man considering the possibility of an international relationship because they are heavily advertised.  The other thing is that most people settle with the first satisfying alternative, not burdening themselves with the search for an optimum solution. In other words, men considering the possibility of an international relationship UNlikely will sit down and think if there is another place on the earth where women with qualities important for them are plentiful, so them stick with FSUW.

The # 2 is self explanatory.


The # 3...not long time ago, my husband and i watched a movie where a guy was sent in Indie to coach Indian employees of a call center appear more American during the phone conversations and this movie propelled my question why guys do not go to India to chase brides . They even speak English there. Briefly, my husband response was "they are toooooo diffident"
Therefore, it seems that at least superficial, perceived  similarity is important. 


Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: ML on June 14, 2012, 11:34:37 AM
Very good analysis and well written VWRW.

I think your number 3 needs to be expanded on a bit.
Is it just that the FSUW and AW are similar in skin tone, facial features, etc. (compared to Indian, African and Oriental women for example), or does it have to do with religion and other factors also?  I haven't given too much thought to it.
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: vwrw on June 14, 2012, 11:48:32 AM
In regard to materialism of FSW women, a few years ago, I would agree that FSUW might be more materialistic. Now, i tend to think that they are NOT any more materialistic than their western counterparts. FSUW may appear materialistic because many of them have their basic needs unsatisfied .  In other words, material things have a tremendous importance only when you cannot afford them to your full satisfaction. For example, let's look at me. when i lived in Russia, material things were important to me, not so now. I do not really care if i live in 150,000$ house or 500,000$ house. I do not really care if i drive this car or another. I am entirely focused on satisfying my need of self realization and personal growth. The same will be true about most Russian people, i believe.  Once they will feel confident that their basic needs are securely satisfied, they will display similar attitude to the material that their western counterparts have.   
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: vwrw on June 14, 2012, 12:05:49 PM
Very good analysis and well written VWRW.

I think your number 3 needs to be expanded on a bit.
Is it just that the FSUW and AW are similar in skin tone, facial features, etc. (compared to Indian, African and Oriental women for example), or does it have to do with religion and other factors also?  I haven't given too much thought to it.
Thanks ML.

I do not think that it is skin tone and facial features of Indians that prevent WM from chasing Indian brides. Many of them do not mind going to Asian countries, paying little attention to Asian skin tone and facial features. I think India's case highlights the importance of religious and cultural  backgrounds. Why did not you go to India in your search of a life partner? :)
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: I/O on June 14, 2012, 02:50:59 PM
Given the choice, I think most WM will lean to a 'white' woman first.
 
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Daveman on June 14, 2012, 05:15:14 PM

Actually his sample is quite enough.
...


By the numbers, you are correct, however, his sample is comprised of "Ladies seeking to learn English"...


Now, for a number of reasons, that sample may be pertinent to our own specific group, but as a subgroup may or may not be representative of the UW group.


That being said, I do tend to agree with his assessment.  Especially in how it relates to the perception (primarily by others) of "status".





Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: JayH on June 14, 2012, 06:06:54 PM
I agree that combination of  factors influences WM  to chase FSUW. In my opinion the factors are 1) lighter weight of FSUW, 2) their willingness to accept a larger age difference, 3) their being street smart despite their incompetent educational system, and 4)  their efforts to look nice. All these factors were already mentioned.
 3) their seeming similarity to Western people.
 
I am not American so have no reason to look there! Regardless -- you summarise some of my reasons well for looking in FSU.
In my immediate area we already have considerable numbers of eastern europeans who are integral to our society and assimilate relatively easily.That is a huge plus for me in considering all the difficulties of uprooting someones life.
On the point of education-- I have met many people with impressive education and knowledge.You mention 'street smart"-- and in the context of the world they have been exposed to I would agree-- and it is those two points that got me thinking-- many are also naive to so many issues that are everyday attitudes in the western world.I do not mean this as as a criticism--it is observational.
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: ML on June 14, 2012, 06:07:09 PM
Why did not you go to India in your search of a life partner? :)

My path was a different from the norm, but others have followed it also, so it was not unique.

That is:  I went on several business assignments to FSU countries.
I never went on business assignments to Africa, India or Asia.
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Belvis on June 15, 2012, 12:02:15 AM
There are quite a few very smart people here, but they are smart DESPITE the educational system, not because of it.

And, generally, Ukrainian girls/women are far more materialistic than their Western counterparts...
The words about educational system are not consistent with the common sense. The system could be corrupt but missiles are still flying in cosmos.
UW could be more  materialistic than their Western counterparts. But what does it mean? They have less cash to spend? They want to know man's income before marry him? They focus on earning money? Meaning of being  materialistic  is not clear point for me.
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: erikmagenta on June 15, 2012, 12:53:24 AM
The words about educational system are not consistent with the common sense. The system could be corrupt but missiles are still flying in cosmos.
UW could be more  materialistic than their Western counterparts. But what does it mean? They have less cash to spend? They want to know man's income before marry him? They focus on earning money? Meaning of being  materialistic  is not clear point for me.

Russian women expect expensive presents very early in a relationship, American women do not.  American women are more apt to share expenses while living together, Russian women would probably not be willing to do this.  American women imo are more likely to marry for "love", Russian women are more likely imo to marry to get ahead and get to the West.  American women are already in the West so it is a non issue.  IMO Russian people do not know how or why to save for the future, because apparently they have gone through so many currency collapses that they are more inclined to spend all of their money right away.  This is considered to be very foolish in the West (a fool and his money are soon parted--save it for a rainy day).
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Belvis on June 15, 2012, 01:20:43 AM
Russian women expect expensive presents very early in a relationship
I would not call this as materialistic, must be some another definition for that (scam?). Russian women expect signs of care and chivalry, not expensive gifts.

IMO Russian people do not know how or why to save for the future, because apparently they have gone through so many currency collapses that they are more inclined to spend all of their money right away.  This is considered to be very foolish in the West (a fool and his money are soon parted--save it for a rainy day).
Not saving for future is indication for being non-materialistic. Isn't it? :)
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: erikmagenta on June 15, 2012, 01:39:30 AM
I would not call this as materialistic, must be some another definition for that (scam?). Russian women expect signs of care and chivalry, not expensive gifts.

You are probably saying this as a Russian man who knew what kind of women to avoid in the first place.  I can tell you 1000% that Russian and Ukrainian women will try to bilk a Western man out of every penny he has in an effort to get expensive dinners, fur coats, jewellry, etc.  They not only have no shame about it, they are brazen.

American women are certainly not as slender or attractive as Russian women, but if you bought her one tiny trinket in six months she would be very happy.  The Russian woman would not!!


Not saving for future is indication for being non-materialistic. Isn't it? :)

You are completely missing the point.  We save for the future so that we have money for our childrens education (which yes, is much better--no matter that you have rockets up in the cosmos--we have the top Universities in the world), for unexpected medical emergencies, and for other unexpected expenses.  My experience with Russian women--they will do everything they can to manipulate you to buy them some unneccesary clothing, shoes, etc (when the room and closet is already overflowing with the stuff!!).
Materialistic!!!
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Anotherkiwi on June 15, 2012, 05:28:51 AM
...I can tell you 1000% that Russian and Ukrainian women will try to bilk a Western man out of every penny he has in an effort to get expensive dinners, fur coats, jewellry, etc.  They not only have no shame about it, they are brazen.

Big generalisation  Yes, some will, but I haven't actually met any in the dinner, coats, jewellery category - only a couple who let me pay for absolutely everything on holiday!

You are completely missing the point.  We save for the future so that we have money for our childrens education (which yes, is much better--no matter that you have rockets up in the cosmos--we have the top Universities in the world)...

Amend that to "many of" and you'll get more friends.
 
Latest rankings, according to QS World University Rankings (http://www.topuniversities.com/university-rankings/world-university-rankings/2011 (http://www.topuniversities.com/university-rankings/world-university-rankings/2011)) are:
 
1st Cambridge
2nd Harvard
3rd Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT)
4th Yale
5th Oxford
6th Imperial College, London
7th University College, London
8th Chicago
9th Pennsylvania
10th Columbia (New York)
 
What's even more interesting is that all the English ones have annual fees in the region of the equivalent of $US 14-16,000, compared with $38-$42,000 for the US ones.  Even the overseas student rate at Cambridge and Oxford is only $22-24,000.
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Belvis on June 15, 2012, 06:06:09 AM
  We save for the future so that we have money for our childrens education (which yes, is much better--no matter that you have rockets up in the cosmos--we have the top Universities in the world)

I don't dispute you have the top Universities in the world. I respect MIT very much, have some reservations about others.
We employ another approach to close our  educational flaws. Send in USA smart girls like Anna Chapman with help of MOB industry, they bring back in Russia modern technology. Pretty simple,  no need to raise good engineers and scientists among locals :)
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Gator on June 15, 2012, 06:32:06 AM
  Once they will feel confident that their basic needs are securely satisfied, they will display similar attitude to the material that their western counterparts have.   

Exactly!   
 
Nevertheless, one person's threshhold for "enough" may be higher than the next person's.
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Gator on June 15, 2012, 07:01:38 AM

By the numbers, you are correct, however, his sample is comprised of "Ladies seeking to learn English"...


Now, for a number of reasons, that sample may be pertinent to our own specific group, but as a subgroup may or may not be representative of the UW group.



Correct.  However, who cares about the entire popualation of UW when we are interested only in the subgroup of UW who know English and are interested in meeting foreign men?
 
This raises a question.  Every UW is different.  Are the UW who are more "materialistic" unhappy with their life in Ukraine, and thus consider marriage to foreign men?  They know they need to improve their English, so Timuana meets them in his classes.
 
Also, "materialistic" UW who want to stay in Ukraine will want to obtain the higher paying jobs.    Knowing English is important to landing high paying jobs in International Business.
 
Hence, timinua sample could easily be skewed from the universe of UW.
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Daveman on June 15, 2012, 06:01:52 PM
You are probably saying this as a Russian man who knew what kind of women to avoid in the first place.  I can tell you 1000% that Russian and Ukrainian women will try to bilk a Western man out of every penny he has in an effort to get expensive dinners, fur coats, jewellry, etc. They not only have no shame about it, they are brazen.


This is certainly true of that kind of woman Belvis has learned to avoid..  ;D   The most brazen of all moves is one which Mies described as "catch the tail", where others will tag along to get whatever they can. No guilt, no remorse, after all, the fool is parting with his money willingly (or in hope of a payoff).


Now, if the mark(s) would merely gaze into the cash loving eyes of his penile blood interest and caringly say "darling greedy bitch,  get your heinous heiny outta here and take your gaggle of tramps with you..."


Do you honestly think they'd actually kill the fantasy of their own volition?  nahhhhh, which is why I say, men are the ones who scam themselves...




Quote


American women are certainly not as slender or attractive as Russian women, but if you bought her one tiny trinket in six months she would be very happy.  The Russian woman would not!!


Heh, before I dated The Russian woman it seems I was, unbeknownst to me, dating The Russian woman..  ;D



Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: erikmagenta on June 15, 2012, 06:10:27 PM
I don't dispute you have the top Universities in the world. I respect MIT very much, have some reservations about others.
We employ another approach to close our  educational flaws. Send in USA smart girls like Anna Chapman with help of MOB industry, they bring back in Russia modern technology. Pretty simple,  no need to raise good engineers and scientists among locals :)

Yes Belvis, I am well aware that your MIG jet technology was an exact (almost) duplication of the tech which was used in the first ever Jet--the Messerschmitt Me 262 Jet developed by the Germans during WWII.  The Soviet Union captured some of the best Scientists and technologies when they took over East Germany.

Of course the USA also got a few such as Dr. Braun the father of NASA.

Unfortunately for you--Anna Chapman got absolutely nothing!!
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: erikmagenta on June 15, 2012, 06:21:22 PM
Belvis,

I was just giving you a stereotype of the kind of women who take advantage of gullible Western men.  Stereotypes are just that--your mileage may vary.  As a Russian man you have a huge advantage over us because you know the culture and language--and you can date the women with better values.  For us we are easily fooled about a woman's intentions, and as Daveman points out it can be our own fault.

AnotherKiwi,

I stand corrected.  Of course you are right, we have some of the best Universities here in the USA.  And you are also correct that it is big big business here--whereas in Socialist European countries--the best students can go to University on a shoestring budget compared to what it can cost here.
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Anotherkiwi on June 16, 2012, 03:07:02 AM
...AnotherKiwi,

I stand corrected.  Of course you are right, we have some of the best Universities here in the USA.  And you are also correct that it is big big business here--whereas in Socialist European countries--the best students can go to University on a shoestring budget compared to what it can cost here.

Great Britain socialist?  On. my sainted aunt... :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:
 
I'm glad you consider $20-22,000 a shoestring budget.  You can pay for your FSUW's education in England, then have (presumably) heaps left over to get her to the USA.
 
If, however, you mean the FSU itself, there is no guarantee (from all the murky stories which come out, some even in this forum) that the degree so obtained is worth anything much at all.  Of course most are legitimate, but I'm sure that people such as mies and Lily would know of classmates or acquaintances who ended up with a degree that was not deserved, whether by doing sexual favours for lecturers, simple bribery, or having a father who was someone important (just three possible scenarios).  And please note, ladies, I do mean a small proportion.
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Anotherkiwi on June 16, 2012, 03:17:58 AM
Yes Belvis, I am well aware that your MIG jet technology was an exact (almost) duplication of the tech which was used in the first ever Jet--the Messerschmitt Me 262 Jet developed by the Germans during WWII...

Although the Me 262 was the first operational jet fighter, it was not the first to fly, nor the first into production - the latter honour belongs to the British Gloster Meteor (thanks to Wikipedia for confirming what I felt in my bones  :D ).  The first jet to fly was the Heinkel He 178 (27th August 1939), followed exactly a year later by the Italian Caproni Campini N1, although the latter was recognised as the first jet by the FAI because the Heinkel programme was still a secret at the time.  The prototype Gloster E28/39 first flew in May 1941.
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: erikmagenta on June 16, 2012, 03:48:53 AM

Great Britain socialist?  On. my sainted aunt... :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:
 
I'm glad you consider $20-22,000 a shoestring budget.  You can pay for your FSUW's education in England, then have (presumably) heaps left over to get her to the USA.
 
If, however, you mean the FSU itself, there is no guarantee (from all the murky stories which come out, some even in this forum) that the degree so obtained is worth anything much at all.  Of course most are legitimate, but I'm sure that people such as mies and Lily would know of classmates or acquaintances who ended up with a degree that was not deserved, whether by doing sexual favours for lecturers, simple bribery, or having a father who was someone important (just three possible scenarios).  And please note, ladies, I do mean a small proportion.

Sorry mate but you are confused if you think I was referring to England.  I was actually referring to places like
France and Germany which do have very good Universities, and cost much less than those in the US.
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Anotherkiwi on June 16, 2012, 04:12:29 AM
Sorry mate but you are confused if you think I was referring to England.  I was actually referring to places like
France and Germany which do have very good Universities, and cost much less than those in the US.

Understood, but four of the universities on the list I quoted were English, and none were from continental Europe.
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Ranetka on June 16, 2012, 04:23:19 AM

Understood, but four of the universities on the list I quoted were English, and none were from continental Europe.



The prices quoted are for a foreign students
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: CDW on June 16, 2012, 06:33:07 AM

What's even more interesting is that all the English ones have annual fees in the region of the equivalent of $US 14-16,000, compared with $38-$42,000 for the US ones.  Even the overseas student rate at Cambridge and Oxford is only $22-24,000.

Take a look at this course (as an example)
http://www.eselondon.ac.uk/postgraduate-certificates/fashion-management/


Language of Instruction: English
Level of Instruction: Postgraduate
Programme Fees

ESE London
Application Fee: £50
Registration Fee: £500
Tuition Fee: £6,300

ESE Milan
Application Fee: £50
Registration Fee: €500
Tuition Fee: €4,500

ESE Madrid
Application Fee: €50
Registration Fee: €500
Tuition Fee: €6,000

ESE New York
Application Fee: $75
Registration Fee: $700
Tuition Fee: $28,100

You can see the price difference for exactly the same course, and as well as in English (even in Madrid and Milan)




Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: CDW on June 16, 2012, 06:45:44 AM
Try to date Paris Hilton. A new dress every night, a new diamond, a new pink Bentley...
Can you match her by buying a new designer suit every day?

I'd rather die than dating Paris Hilton!!!! 
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: BC on June 16, 2012, 06:51:57 AM
I'd rather die than dating Paris Hilton!!!!

I think she's sweet.. but I can't afford her..  even for one date. :D

I did like her bed time trysts.. is that porn?
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: CDW on June 16, 2012, 08:11:00 AM
I think she's sweet.. but I can't afford her..  even for one date. :D

I did like her bed time trysts.. is that porn?

I'd rather have lunch with Mira Sorvino or Claire Forlani for $10,000 than a FREE lunch with Paris Hilton  :D
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: newjason on June 16, 2012, 08:22:56 AM
In regard to materialism of FSW women, a few years ago, I would agree that FSUW might be more materialistic. Now, i tend to think that they are NOT any more materialistic than their western counterparts. FSUW may appear materialistic because many of them have their basic needs unsatisfied .  In other words, material things have a tremendous importance only when you cannot afford them to your full satisfaction. For example, let's look at me. when i lived in Russia, material things were important to me, not so now. I do not really care if i live in 150,000$ house or 500,000$ house. I do not really care if i drive this car or another. I am entirely focused on satisfying my need of self realization and personal growth. The same will be true about most Russian people, i believe.  Once they will feel confident that their basic needs are securely satisfied, they will display similar attitude to the material that their western counterparts have.   

But now by definition you have become an AW   :)

Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: chivo on June 17, 2012, 12:52:07 AM
You are probably saying this as a Russian man who knew what kind of women to avoid in the first place.  I can tell you 1000% that Russian and Ukrainian women will try to bilk a Western man out of every penny he has in an effort to get expensive dinners, fur coats, jewellry, etc.  They not only have no shame about it, they are brazen.
Not sure about your experience, but my experience is completely different. Yes, there are women who do this, but last time I checked it had nothing to do with any particular nationality.
 
Again, my experience with RW couldn't be any different than the way you portray it. And I'm positive I know way more of them than you.
 
Yes, I have met the kind of Russian woman you refer to, but I have also met this kind of woman who was American, Latin, Japanese, etc. The RW that I have met who were like this fall way in to the minority.

American women are certainly not as slender or attractive as Russian women, but if you bought her one tiny trinket in six months she would be very happy.  The Russian woman would not!!
More BS.
 
I get the feeling you've met up with some who were this way. Nothing more.
 
You are completely missing the point.  We save for the future so that we have money for our childrens education (which yes, is much better--no matter that you have rockets up in the cosmos--we have the top Universities in the world), for unexpected medical emergencies, and for other unexpected expenses.  My experience with Russian women--they will do everything they can to manipulate you to buy them some unneccesary clothing, shoes, etc (when the room and closet is already overflowing with the stuff!!).
Materialistic!!!
More and more Russians are making more money and saving their money. As this country moves into the future, changes in attitude happened at a very fast pace. It is an emerging country, least you forget. They now see a light at the end of the tunnel.
 
They also have a way of finding the money for emergencies should they happen, without begging for it from strangers.
 
Maybe you need to change your "old school" thinking.
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: chivo on June 17, 2012, 01:35:35 AM
In regard to materialism of FSW women, a few years ago, I would agree that FSUW might be more materialistic. Now, i tend to think that they are NOT any more materialistic than their western counterparts. FSUW may appear materialistic because many of them have their basic needs unsatisfied .  In other words, material things have a tremendous importance only when you cannot afford them to your full satisfaction. For example, let's look at me. when i lived in Russia, material things were important to me, not so now. I do not really care if i live in 150,000$ house or 500,000$ house. I do not really care if i drive this car or another. I am entirely focused on satisfying my need of self realization and personal growth. The same will be true about most Russian people, i believe.  Once they will feel confident that their basic needs are securely satisfied, they will display similar attitude to the material that their western counterparts have.   
I agree with this 100%. I mentioned this many moons ago and used my "hungry tiger theory" as an analogy. Basically, a well fed tiger sure isn't they same as one who hasn't eaten for some time.
 
To put it another way, if you run 5 miles, or play basketball for a couple of hours without water and I sit around and hydrate myself during this time, who do you think will be thirstier?
 
For anyone to make comparisons, then let's at least do it apples to apples.
 
I have mentioned over time (and many of you SHOULD know this) that this part of the world is 'emerging'. Why this very obvious fact doesn't register with the majority of posters on this forum when making comparisons is, well, interesting, to say the least.
 
Again, as if many of you need to be inform of this, free market economy has only been around the FSU for 22 years. If you take into consideration that the first 10 were a complete disaster, then you can see real time free market economy is even less.
 
FSU people have only been able to have the things for a very short time, things that most of the western world has had since they were babies. As hard as it has become for some of you to understand, and many whom you would think should know, give the people in this neck of the woods some time to digest the water that they only begun to drink after running for so long without.
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Slumba on June 17, 2012, 03:30:43 AM
You are probably saying this as a Russian man who knew what kind of women to avoid in the first place.  I can tell you 1000% that Russian and Ukrainian women will try to bilk a Western man out of every penny he has in an effort to get expensive dinners, fur coats, jewellry, etc.  They not only have no shame about it, they are brazen.

Is the profile info under your avatar accurate, that you have never traveled to FSU?
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: newjason on June 17, 2012, 12:10:16 PM
I agree with this 100%. I mentioned this many moons ago and used my "hungry tiger theory" as an analogy. Basically, a well fed tiger sure isn't they same as one who hasn't eaten for some time.
 
To put it another way, if you run 5 miles, or play basketball for a couple of hours without water and I sit around and hydrate myself during this time, who do you think will be thirstier?
 
For anyone to make comparisons, then let's at least do it apples to apples.
 
I have mentioned over time (and many of you SHOULD know this) that this part of the world is 'emerging'. Why this very obvious fact doesn't register with the majority of posters on this forum when making comparisons is, well, interesting, to say the least.
 
Again, as if many of you need to be inform of this, free market economy has only been around the FSU for 22 years. If you take into consideration that the first 10 were a complete disaster, then you can see real time free market economy is even less.
 
FSU people have only been able to have the things for a very short time, things that most of the western world has had since they were babies. As hard as it has become for some of you to understand, and many whom you would think should know, give the people in this neck of the woods some time to digest the water that they only begun to drink after running for so long without.

Chivo
While i completely agree,
What you are asking for is to wait for one apple to be come ripe while the other is already ripe, so to speak. While that may be the most fair way of comparison, it is not the way things are today for the most part.
 Let's just say, that given the same environment, women are women, no matter where they may be from.
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: erikmagenta on June 17, 2012, 02:56:48 PM
Is the profile info under your avatar accurate, that you have never traveled to FSU?

It's not correct--I have been there.  I will update it.
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: erikmagenta on June 17, 2012, 10:08:18 PM
Not sure about your experience, but my experience is completely different. Yes, there are women who do this, but last time I checked it had nothing to do with any particular nationality.
 
Again, my experience with RW couldn't be any different than the way you portray it. And I'm positive I know way more of them than you.
 
Yes, I have met the kind of Russian woman you refer to, but I have also met this kind of woman who was American, Latin, Japanese, etc. The RW that I have met who were like this fall way in to the minority.

The astute reader would notice that I was probably referencing the actions and activity of pro daters who work for a MOB agency.  The astute reader would also notice that I mentioned to Belvis that as a Russian who speaks the language and knows the culture, he knows which type of women to avoid entirely.  If you live and work in Russia, which I suspect--then you also know which type of women to avoid.

And yet:

1.  The national sport of Ukraine, besides Soccer, seems to be in scamming Western men out of thousands of dollars each.  No doubt it is a huge part of their economy.  Quite frankly I prefer the morals of a prostitute, who gives a man exactly what he pays for--than to the morals of pro daters who pretend to be interested in a Western man, whilst the whole time her and the translator and the driver have a carefully planned routine in place in how to bilk the poor durak out of maximum funds.  They don't even care for one second that the poor fool paid thousands just to get there, and gave up his vacation period (his only vacation period in an entire year) to get there.  They are ruthless and cut-throat in their determination to part him from at least a thousand dollars or more on expensive gifts, overpriced rooms and overpriced taxis.

Plenty of guys here say so sad, too bad.  I say that the Ukrainian and Russian mentality that corruption is good, is extremely short sighted.  The next time there is another economic collapse, ala 2008--they will have their hands out yet again for loans from the IMF.

2.  I know several Russian ladies here in Vegas.  One of them, although she identifies as Russian, grew up in Germany.  In her opinion the Russian girls she knows here are far more materialistic and fake than their American counterparts.  This concurs with my own observations and experience--although I am an optimist and believe that I or others might find a true gem--I am not holding my breath.



More BS.
 
I get the feeling you've met up with some who were this way. Nothing more.

Not some--a lot.  I know several American women in dead end relationships--one who works for Hooters.  She has been with the same loser for over two years, and he has yet to buy her a gift which would show her he cares about her.  She finally bought a trinket of a ring for herself--since this bum won't do it.  Yet this is pretty typical of American women.  They are far more sentimental and willing to continue to give a guy a chance--long after he deserves it.

Again, the astute reader might ask me questions about my opinions.  I really think that American guys could learn a lot from Russian guys--that is the importance of being a gentleman and showing a lady you are with that you care about her.

I also think that American women could learn tons from Russian women.  For examply how to dress nicely, do their hair and make-up nicely, etc.
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: calmissile on June 17, 2012, 10:56:39 PM
Quote from erikmagenta

Again, the astute reader might ask me questions about my opinions.  I really think that American guys could learn a lot from Russian guys--that is the importance of being a gentleman and showing a lady you are with that you care about her.

Now that is an interesting opinion and/or observation since it is contrary to nearly all the posts on the forum, the information in several E-Books on the subject, as well as what I am told in emails from FSU women.

In case you have not read about it,  the reasons for so many FSU women immigrating to other countries is because they cannot find what you are suggesting in FSUM.  You want us to follow their examples?

How much time did you spend in FSU countries?
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: erikmagenta on June 17, 2012, 11:07:15 PM
Quote from erikmagenta

Again, the astute reader might ask me questions about my opinions.  I really think that American guys could learn a lot from Russian guys--that is the importance of being a gentleman and showing a lady you are with that you care about her.

Now that is an interesting opinion and/or observation since it is contrary to nearly all the posts on the forum, the information in several E-Books on the subject, as well as what I am told in emails from FSU women.

In case you have not read about it,  the reasons for so many FSU women immigrating to other countries is because they cannot find what you are suggesting in FSUM.  You want us to follow their examples?

How much time did you spend in FSU countries?

I have a Russian male friend who I have known now for over two years.  He lives in Ukraine.  He is a good husband and provider for his wife.  He does the traditional things which I think that Russian women like and even expect.  You have the wrong opinion if you think that every Russian or Ukrainian woman wants to get out and marry a Westerner!!
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: calmissile on June 17, 2012, 11:20:57 PM
I have no argument that there are good Ukrainian men, in fact I have several friends that fit that category.  Your broad statement however, led me to believe that you were referring to single FSUM.  Those are not examples that I would suggest a WM follow.  There are many posts and other resources that imply that a large percentage of single FSUM woo a lady long enough to get into her panties and then discard her when they tire of her.

In addition,  the very large number of young FSUW that are divorced with children to be raised alone is some indication that the married FSUM are not sterling examples of what you have in mind.  The fact that so many of them cannot find a "good man" is also an indication that the character of many of these men is questionable.

I am happy for your married friend in Ukriane.

How much time did you spend there and in what countries?

Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Boethius on June 18, 2012, 01:19:32 AM

1.  The national sport of Ukraine, besides Soccer, seems to be in scamming Western men out of thousands of dollars each.  No doubt it is a huge part of their economy.  Quite frankly I prefer the morals of a prostitute, who gives a man exactly what he pays for--than to the morals of pro daters who pretend to be interested in a Western man, whilst the whole time her and the translator and the driver have a carefully planned routine in place in how to bilk the poor durak out of maximum funds.  They don't even care for one second that the poor fool paid thousands just to get there, and gave up his vacation period (his only vacation period in an entire year) to get there.  They are ruthless and cut-throat in their determination to part him from at least a thousand dollars or more on expensive gifts, overpriced rooms and overpriced taxis.

Plenty of guys here say so sad, too bad.  I say that the Ukrainian and Russian mentality that corruption is good, is extremely short sighted.  The next time there is another economic collapse, ala 2008--they will have their hands out yet again for loans from the IMF.


The number of Ukrainians who meet foreigners for romance is miniscule.  But if you had foreigners showing up and often behaving like pigs in your country, or saying what a s__thole the country is, you wouldn't have much sympathy for them being ripped off either.


There is no Ukrainian or Russian mentality that corruption is good.  It just is what it is, and most Ukrainians and Russians know they can't change it.  At least, not without another revolution.
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Belvis on June 18, 2012, 02:01:18 AM
  I say that the Ukrainian and Russian mentality that corruption is good, is extremely short sighted.  The next time there is another economic collapse, ala 2008--they will have their hands out yet again for loans from the IMF.
As far as I know Russia is considering to give a loan to IMF, and was helping other countries with loans in 2008. :)
A few words about corruption:
The issue is rather complicated if go into details. Of course nobody likes it, but I would like to note the main difference between USA and Russia concerning corruption. The difference is  the attitude to the problem. Russians admit corruption is likely the main evil they suffer from. It is the necessary step to fight against it.
In USA I observe the same kind of problem, when money  are redistributed through FED and government policy from ordinary taxpayers to fat cats. Perhaps the movement Occupy Wall Street is a first sign of  recognition of the problem.
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: erikmagenta on June 18, 2012, 02:03:53 AM
As far as I know Russia is considering to give a loan to IMF, and was helping other countries with loans in 2008. :)
A few words about corruption:
The issue is rather complicated if go into details. Of course nobody likes it, but I would like to note the main difference between USA and Russia concerning corruption. The difference is  the attitude to the problem. Russians admit corruption is likely the main evil they suffer from. It is the necessary step to fight against it.
In USA I observe the same kind of problem, when money  are redistributed through FED and government policy from ordinary taxpayers to fat cats. Perhaps the movement Occupy Wall Street is a first sign of  recognition of the problem.

You must believe Obama and other socialists if you believe what you wrote above.  Capitalism and Wall Street creates jobs--government does their best to destroy the economic climate which allow business to thrive.

If you are referring to the Wall Street bailout I agree with you that it was wrong--even criminal.  Unfortunately the alternative was total economic collapse--worse than the Great Depression.

This may appear to be a contradiction, but keep in mind that most Wall Street firms are not breaking the law--and do in fact help to raise money to help new companies and their products to thrive, which helps middle class people who work in those factories making those products.
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Belvis on June 18, 2012, 02:27:59 AM
If you are referring to the Wall Street bailout I agree with you that it was wrong--even criminal.  Unfortunately the alternative was total economic collapse--worse than the Great Depression.

Yes, the threat of the total collapse is a good argument to get money out of FED. That's the way how big money are being made at Wall Street.

This may appear to be a contradiction, but keep in mind that most Wall Street firms are not breaking the law--and do in fact help to raise money to help new companies and their products to thrive, which helps middle class people who work in those factories making those products.

Corruption is all about making money without breaking laws. O.K., may be you're right and middle class people will increase their disposable income soon.
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Slumba on June 18, 2012, 03:50:19 AM
You must believe Obama and other socialists if you believe what you wrote above.  Capitalism and Wall Street creates jobs--government does their best to destroy the economic climate which allow business to thrive.

If you are referring to the Wall Street bailout I agree with you that it was wrong--even criminal.  Unfortunately the alternative was total economic collapse--worse than the Great Depression.

This may appear to be a contradiction, but keep in mind that most Wall Street firms are not breaking the law--and do in fact help to raise money to help new companies and their products to thrive, which helps middle class people who work in those factories making those products.

Probably not the right thread to discuss such an issue... I will only say it is laughable that you think the current situation on Wall Street in any way, intersects with capitalism. 

How does the Federal Reserve, and the US Govt,  intervening time and again to prop up the banks (when some are insolvent and should simply fail), represent free market ideas?
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: CDW on June 18, 2012, 05:52:06 AM
Ukrainian/Russian women (or anyone) who scam Western men for thousands $$$  by pretending to be interested in them are WORSE than the real prostitutes!!!   They should be given bad names than these prostitutes who are 'honest' to them



Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: missAmeno on June 18, 2012, 06:23:35 AM
Ukrainian/Russian women (or anyone) who scam Western men for thousands $$$  by pretending to be interested in them are WORSE than the real prostitutes!!!   They should be given bad names than these prostitutes who are 'honest' to them


And what the name we should give to Western men  who are exploiting or trying to exploit Ukrainian/Russian women?
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Muzh on June 18, 2012, 06:30:50 AM
You must believe Obama and other socialists if you believe what you wrote above.  Capitalism and Wall Street creates jobs--government does their best to destroy the economic climate which allow business to thrive.

If you are referring to the Wall Street bailout I agree with you that it was wrong--even criminal.  Unfortunately the alternative was total economic collapse--worse than the Great Depression.

This may appear to be a contradiction, but keep in mind that most Wall Street firms are not breaking the law--and do in fact help to raise money to help new companies and their products to thrive, which helps middle class people who work in those factories making those products.

Boy, you are full of bullshevism.
 
Compare Obama's economic policies to Reagan's policies and you'll find they are almost the same. Maybe you would like something a little bit more fascist? Or is it that you don't like the "negro?"
 
And the other bullshevism about RW, who and what made you an expert? Are you an anthropologist? Have you done some research? If not, I suggest don't be so definite about your statements.
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: erikmagenta on June 18, 2012, 11:45:58 PM
And what the name we should give to Western men  who are exploiting or trying to exploit Ukrainian/Russian women?

Promoter of small town women's virtues??  (Tim??)
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Jumper on June 21, 2012, 05:06:02 PM
Quote
I know several Russian ladies here in Vegas.  One of them, although she identifies as Russian, grew up in Germany.  In her opinion the Russian girls she knows here are far more materialistic and fake than their American counterparts.  This concurs with my own observations and experience--although I am an optimist and believe that I or others might find a true gem--I am not holding my breath.


Russian ladies in Vegas just don't seem reflective to me of FSU women in general,and i have more than a few trips, friends and in laws there.

This is similar to  having a Russian observe a few SoCal *Valley girls*, and posting that in their and their friends observations,  most american women are mostly fake, shallow, conceited , materialistic, airheads.
You might find a true gem in america , but don't hold your breath.

:)

In my experience there is a subset of women like you describe,  about pro daters.
but its a very small subset.The only reason it seems larger is the way and means most western men contact FSU women,it changes on average * who* they meet , in a very negative way (generally)

The average FSU women isn't even thinking about meeting a foreign man.She is far too involved in her regular life and routine, she also has few of the materialistic qualities you describe.Is likely quite social and interested in her friends, family , and is somewhat both practical/pragmatic yet romantic all at once.Generalities are tough, but I just don't see a huge difference in materialistic qualities between cultures.(men and women)

now if you would term it status instead? I would agree more are worried about status.
(again a silly generality, as you'll date an individual)

Most though I would say are just not very different from their western sisters..
As example ,you wouldn't be able to tell my wife was FSU if it wasn't for the accent.
Her general mindset,  her political views , her ethics/ morals, her general interests and core values, even her clothing tastes, would likely have you guess older southern conservative American woman. You'd likely marvel how someone young and upbeat is trapped in a *old soul*

Many of her friends are quite similar,
others might fit your description better..but they are minority.


Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: alyosha on June 25, 2012, 07:04:41 PM
I did and ended up divorced.
I did fly to meet a woman in Indiana in 2003.  That didn't work out.
  In addition certain people throw women at me, but they aren't genuine. They are “swallows.” It's a subject I could talk about but probably best only when I meet people in Russia.
I did talk to my next door neighbor, but I think she may just be another "swallow."
I'm not interested in dating anyone at first. I want to become part of a face to face social group first.
The best way to explain is I want to become part of a social community in Russia.
That way I can judge if people are genuine.  As I said before, women are thrown at me like "swallows". I can't explain more here.
In Russia I would like to talk to women who are about 34 or 54 years old. 
I don't want to move permanently to Russia as I don't really speak Russian.  All I know are a few words of Czech.  My grandmother was Czech.
I am willing to learn more Russian and know that that would be best.
I've learned a few Russian words that are similar to English.  For instance you have a word that sounds like scurry in English.  In English scurry means hurry, and is usually said to a child. Your word sounds like SKORRY.
I have my grandparents farm in Kansas, and may return there.
Our family farm is about 65 kilometers east of Dodge City Kansas.  It is about 65 hectors in area.  This region is what in Russia you would call the Steppe.  There are few trees except where they are planted.  There are also tress next to the river.
There are deer in the trees and a little animal the size of a terrier we call a raccoon.
There are also small wolf like animals we call coyotes.  Coyotes might weigh 20 kilos.
Once a deer stalked me on the rail road bed.  They will follow a man if they see him first.
The deer thinks better to keep the man in sight while the deer keeps under cover, rather than lose track of him and cross paths later and be surprised.
The deer had been eating wild plums off the bushes when he saw me.  We call them sand hill plumbs and they make excellent jelly.
The land is mostly flat.  That is like Western Russian I understand.  There are hills next to the River.
Not far to the west there is an old battle field.  Some European men were ambushed by native Indians among the small hills near the river.  The legend is an Indian princes had some of the wounded men cared for.  This was in 1848 and is known as The Battle of Coon Creek.  Coon is a short version of raccoon.
My father said some of your Russian trees looked like our cotton wood trees.
The nearest large city is Wichita. That is about 110 kilometers east. That is about a 90 minute trip by car. The population is about 500,000.
Father also understood your word (Babushka?) It sounded to him like the word he used to call his Czech grandmother.
My Czech relatives were expert carpenters and horticulturalist.  The Czech are said to be the best horticulturalist and wood workers in Europe.
If I married a Russian woman she might want to return to her homeland someday.
America may go through problems soon as Russia did in 1991.
The “center” here is advising everyone to store food.  It wouldn't be good to be skinny if the center is right.  They think hard times are coming here soon. I think they may be right.  I am storing extra food.
The winters are mild compared to Russia.  A family rented our farm house and was snowed in one winter for three weeks, but that is very rare.  The well water is about 12 degrees C, which gives you and idea what the average year round temperature is.
Like all villages the people are very friendly and seldom steal anything. 
I don't plan to leave America permanently. I want to be buried near my mothers village.  It is further east in Missouri.
I like dogs and will likely get a shepherd dog when I move back to my parents region.
I now live in Florida. I would probably like a woman who also liked animals.
(Prazem?) for reading my long talk.
Kaprune Skya(?)
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Daveman on June 25, 2012, 07:09:14 PM
we really need a 'scratching head' icon...
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: GQBlues on June 25, 2012, 07:51:51 PM
we really need a 'scratching head' icon...

Something like this perhaps?

 (http://www.cosgan.de/images/more/bigs/c028.gif) (http://www.cosgan.de/smilie.php)

..or this..

  (http://www.cosgan.de/images/more/bigs/e136.gif) (http://www.cosgan.de/smilie.php)
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: LiveFromUkraine on June 25, 2012, 07:56:45 PM
Florida seems to be a magnet for interesting people.
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Olly on June 25, 2012, 08:03:48 PM
Im sorry, if all RW are too bad and materialistic, why you want to marry us? 
Or maybe you look for not there?
Most of you use the agencies. But usually agency have too young girls with no english, students, or woman with kids and with no good job.
So what a young girl want?  New boots, clothes and entertainments. What a woman with no good job and with kids want ? Money!
Smart and serious woman who want to find a good foreign husband - study inglish, have a PC and good internet for conversation, looking good, care for her health. And it means she have enough money for this.
But of course most of RW don't want to do anything and sits on their bums and waiting for the fine foreign prince on a white horse who will pay for all their wishes.
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: alyosha on June 25, 2012, 08:15:13 PM
And what the name we should give to Western men  who are exploiting or trying to exploit Ukrainian/Russian women?

You are a British woman??
I thought to meet Eastern European women here.  My paternal grandmother was Czech.
What part of U.K. are you from?  My paternal greatgrand father was in Vicotrias Horse Guards.  He was a Sgt. Major and from Warborough near Whitney in Oxfordshire.
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: calmissile on June 25, 2012, 08:22:33 PM
Im sorry, if all RW are too bad and materialistic, why you want to marry us? 
Or maybe you look for not there?
Most of you use the agencies. But usually agency have too young girls with no english, students, or woman with kids and with no good job.
So what a young girl want?  New boots, clothes and entertainments. What a woman with no good job and with kids want ? Money!
Smart and serious woman who want to find a good foreign husband - study inglish, have a PC and good internet for conversation, looking good, care for her health. And it means she have enough money for this.
But of course most of RW don't want to do anything and sits on their bums and waiting for the fine foreign prince on a white horse who will pay for all their wishes.

Very well put.
 :clapping:
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: erikmagenta on June 25, 2012, 08:24:16 PM
Im sorry, if all RW are too bad and materialistic, why you want to marry us? 
Or maybe you look for not there?
Most of you use the agencies. But usually agency have too young girls with no english, students, or woman with kids and with no good job.
So what a young girl want?  New boots, clothes and entertainments. What a woman with no good job and with kids want ? Money!
Smart and serious woman who want to find a good foreign husband - study inglish, have a PC and good internet for conversation, looking good, care for her health. And it means she have enough money for this.
But of course most of RW don't want to do anything and sits on their bums and waiting for the fine foreign prince on a white horse who will pay for all their wishes.

I agree with you Olly, the stereotype was made about agency girls.  There are many other very good women, but many of us if not most, do not know where to begin to look, at least at first.

There are also some misunderstandings between Russian people and Western people over money.  Especially in the USA we are a credit based economy, so our concepts of how to handle money, how much to save for retirement etc. might be completely different.
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Olly on June 25, 2012, 08:26:49 PM
There are many other very good women, but many of us if not most, do not know where to begin to look, at least at first.
I will answer you later. Now i go to work.  :)
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: alyosha on June 25, 2012, 08:31:30 PM
Im sorry, if all RW are too bad and materialistic, why you want to marry us? 
Or maybe you look for not there?
Most of you use the agencies. But usually agency have too young girls with no english, students, or woman with kids and with no good job.
So what a young girl want?  New boots, clothes and entertainments. What a woman with no good job and with kids want ? Money!
Smart and serious woman who want to find a good foreign husband - study inglish, have a PC and good internet for conversation, looking good, care for her health. And it means she have enough money for this.
But of course most of RW don't want to do anything and sits on their bums and waiting for the fine foreign prince on a white horse who will pay for all their wishes.

It is probably best for people to visit the board when they are in a good mood.
And if they are not in a good mood hopefully the people here will cheer them up.
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: alyosha on June 25, 2012, 08:44:41 PM
Florida seems to be a magnet for interesting people.

You might understand my first post better if I tell you I am an American dissident.
Your mother can tell you what being a dissident was like in the FSU.
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: LiveFromUkraine on June 25, 2012, 08:55:37 PM
You might understand my first post better if I tell you I am an American dissident.
Your mother can tell you what being a dissident was like in the FSU.

My mother was born in America.  I am also American, I just lived in Ukraine for some time.  This site isn't a place to find dates but a place to discuss inter-cultural relationships.   

Welcome to the board. 
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: pitbull on June 25, 2012, 08:55:58 PM

The “center” here is advising everyone to store food.  It wouldn't be good to be skinny if the center is right.  They think hard times are coming here soon. I think they may be right.  I am storing extra food.
This is getting interesting...
Alyosha, who is the "Center" and how can I talk to them?
I'd like to know from the reputable source what food and how much to store for the upcoming hard times. The "Center" sounds like they know what they are talking about.
Please give me the "Center"'s contact information.
 
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: erikmagenta on June 25, 2012, 10:06:48 PM
This is getting interesting...
Alyosha, who is the "Center" and how can I talk to them?
I'd like to know from the reputable source what food and how much to store for the upcoming hard times. The "Center" sounds like they know what they are talking about.
Please give me the "Center"'s contact information.

Maybe the "center" is Ron Paul and Glenn Beck.  Both say we are heading for total currency collapse and total economic wipeout, similar to what Germany experienced after WWI.
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Olly on June 26, 2012, 07:19:48 AM
There are many other very good women, but many of us if not most, do not know where to begin to look, at least at first.
Is many web sites where a lot of RW/UW look for foreign husband. And that women want to keep conversation personally with men. They knows English (some of them knows 2-3 languages). And they want to make decision themselves with which man  they want to chat and meet. They are independent and knows what they want. And they never will meet man which never see him and trying to know him better before will meet (sometimes it takes few months).
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: erikmagenta on June 26, 2012, 08:21:21 AM
Is many web sites where a lot of RW/UW look for foreign husband. And that women want to keep conversation personally with men. They knows English (some of them knows 2-3 languages). And they want to make decision themselves with which man  they want to chat and meet. They are independent and knows what they want. And they never will meet man which never see him and trying to know him better before will meet (sometimes it takes few months).

Which websites would you recommend Olly?  Do you still live in Russia?  Which city if I may ask?
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: alyosha on June 26, 2012, 06:46:19 PM
This is getting interesting...
Alyosha, who is the "Center" and how can I talk to them?
I'd like to know from the reputable source what food and how much to store for the upcoming hard times. The "Center" sounds like they know what they are talking about.
Please give me the "Center"'s contact information.

I take it you aren't FSU resident so my food storage comments weren't directed to you.
There are lots of people in USA who recommend storing food.
Just go on youtube and type in "preppers."  They toute a lot of common sense ideas.
Also I'm a veteran so I read oathkeepers.org occasionally.  They also recommend people store food.
Also I think maybe Robert Prechter, "Conquer the Crash" 2002 has some accurate ideas abut the nature of social collapse, as happend in FSU and I think quite likely in USA soon.
Prechter predicted in 2002 that we were likely to see depression and deflation, not hyper inflation.  He advised me to buy gold in 2003, which I did and sold in 2011.  I'm happy with Prechter's advice. So far he's been right.
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: pitbull on June 26, 2012, 07:02:02 PM
I take it you aren't FSU resident so my food storage comments weren't directed to you.
There are lots of people in USA who recommend storing food.
Just go on youtube and type in "preppers."  They toute a lot of common sense ideas.
Also I'm a veteran so I read oathkeepers.org occasionally.  They also recommend people store food.
Also I think maybe Robert Prechter, "Conquer the Crash" 2002 has some accurate ideas abut the nature of social collapse, as happend in FSU and I think quite likely in USA soon.
Prechter predicted in 2002 that we were likely to see depression and deflation, not hyper inflation.  He advised me to buy gold in 2003, which I did and sold in 2011.  I'm happy with Prechter's advice. So far he's been right.
So, is Robert Prechter the one that you call "The Center"? I'd like to know exactly who/what "the Cente" is
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Olly on June 26, 2012, 07:18:57 PM
Which websites would you recommend Olly?  Do you still live in Russia?  Which city if I may ask?
For example:
http://freepersonals.ru/
http://www.russianamericanlove.com
http://www.cherryblossoms.com
http://www.russianeuro.com
http://www.privetzapad.com
http://www.elenasmodels.com
http://russian-dating.com/
And many others.

Yes i live in Russia in Nizhny Novgorod city.
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: ML on June 26, 2012, 07:37:45 PM
For example:
http://freepersonals.ru/ (http://freepersonals.ru/)
http://www.russianamericanlove.com (http://www.russianamericanlove.com)
http://www.cherryblossoms.com (http://www.cherryblossoms.com)
http://www.russianeuro.com (http://www.russianeuro.com)
http://www.privetzapad.com (http://www.privetzapad.com)
http://www.elenasmodels.com (http://www.elenasmodels.com)
http://russian-dating.com/ (http://russian-dating.com/)
And many others.

Yes i live in Russia in Nizhny Novgorod city.

For those who know . . . which of these meet the criteria for being included in my FSUW 101 list?

i.e. For men, they are either free or a monthly cost which allows for contact with all women on  the site.  Pay per contact or pay per message sites do not meet the criteria.

I know about freepersonals.ru.   I have no info about the others.
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Olly on June 26, 2012, 07:40:36 PM
http://russian-dating.com/
This one is free too. About others i don't know. You have to check. For women all sites are free.
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: ML on June 26, 2012, 07:42:54 PM
Most all are free for women . . . I believe.

So the test is . . . which are free or monthly cost for men?
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Olly on June 26, 2012, 07:51:56 PM
So the test is . . . which are free or monthly cost for men?
Just open these sites and check.  :)
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: alyosha on June 26, 2012, 08:23:45 PM
My mother was born in America.  I am also American, I just lived in Ukraine for some time.  This site isn't a place to find dates but a place to discuss inter-cultural relationships.   

Welcome to the board.

I meant no disrespect to your mother if you took offense.  I assumed you were an FSU resident.
The only reason I used the word "dating" in my original post was the word "date" was included in the title of this thread.
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: alyosha on June 26, 2012, 08:31:29 PM
This is getting interesting...
Alyosha, who is the "Center" and how can I talk to them?
I'd like to know from the reputable source what food and how much to store for the upcoming hard times. The "Center" sounds like they know what they are talking about.
Please give me the "Center"'s contact information.

Did anything else in my original long post interest you?  Are you interested in nature and animals for instance?
Maybe I shouldn't ask.  I think I saw where you are married.
Some of the language I used was meant to connect with the FSU ladies.  I take it you are not FSU.  Even if you are I don't want to amplify any more.
It's late, Dub Nitz.
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: pitbull on June 26, 2012, 09:33:49 PM
Did anything else in my original long post interest you?  Are you interested in nature and animals for instance?
Maybe I shouldn't ask.  I think I saw where you are married.
Some of the language I used was meant to connect with the FSU ladies.  I take it you are not FSU.  Even if you are I don't want to amplify any more.
It's late, Dub Nitz.
I find your whole long post very interesting. I am especially interested in a detailed explanation of what the "Center" is  :)  Animals are cool too, especially if you cook them right.
And yes, I am as FSUW as it gets  ;)
 
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: calmissile on June 26, 2012, 09:57:06 PM
I find your whole long post very interesting. I am especially interested in a detailed explanation of what the "Center" is  :)  Animals are cool too, especially if you cook them right.
And yes, I am as FSUW as it gets  ;)

I am also a little curious about the term "center", however it is not a big deal.  Several organizations and some religions have encouraged Americans to store food and other items for emergencies.  The emergency does not have to be political upheaval, it can also be a natural disaster.

It is just common sense.  For those that go through life thinking "It can't happen to me",  are the first to want to mooch off those that prepared themselves.  Anyone that has seen store shelves empty out on one day, get the drift of why every family is wise to prepare in advance for emergencies.  It's not necessary to become a fanatic about it,  just use some common sense.  It not only includes food, but backup power and other essential items.
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: erikmagenta on June 27, 2012, 01:58:49 AM
So, is Robert Prechter the one that you call "The Center"? I'd like to know exactly who/what "the Cente" is

Hi Pittbull,

I was curious about this as well, so I googled the center.  I only came up mostly with gay and lesbian centers in all of the states.  there was one rural development center in Kentucky.  but that is all I found!!
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Vinnvinny on June 27, 2012, 03:54:37 AM
Talking of free sites ……..
 
I’m still trying to work out why on the free sites I’m way too old for the age of lady I seek, yet on the pay and play sites the young hotties miraculously are very happy to meet old codgers of my age. It’s spooky, but it gives me faith in the Lord.
 
Btw. The only food I store is milk and when it runs out (usually after 3 or 4 days) I just pop to the shop and buy some more. I recommend more people live like I do.
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: kmin on June 27, 2012, 04:17:30 AM
For example:
http://freepersonals.ru/
http://www.russianamericanlove.com
http://www.cherryblossoms.com
http://www.russianeuro.com
http://www.privetzapad.com
http://www.elenasmodels.com
http://russian-dating.com/
And many others.

Yes i live in Russia in Nizhny Novgorod city.

I found my love on freepersonals.ru   and now I am a WOVO and soon going to become a WOVOMO   She is really cool and in every way the best I could ever have hoped for. 

I must say free sites are the only way to go, but you must set realistic expectations (see other posts on this site).
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: ML on June 27, 2012, 06:12:29 AM
Quote from: ML on Yesterday at 09:42:54 PM (http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=13748.msg304098#msg304098)So the test is . . . which are free or monthly cost for men?

Just open these sites and check.  :)

No, it is not quite that simple.
With many such sites it takes a LOT of time to become familiar enough with the operation to really find out the costs.
Many of them go to great lengths to hide the actual costs until you have spent a LOT of time there fussing around.
I am maintaining the FSUW 101 thread as a public service.
This requires that others give me feedback as to the true situation as to how the various  sites operate.
I am not currently searching, so I am not going to take the time to determine how the various sites operate.
Everyone is encouraged to help me lengthen and refine the FSUW 101 list.
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Faux Pas on June 27, 2012, 06:28:56 AM
Talking of free sites ……..
 
I’m still trying to work out why on the free sites I’m way too old for the age of lady I seek, yet on the pay and play sites the young hotties miraculously are very happy to meet old codgers of my age. It’s spooky, but it gives me faith in the Lord.
 
Btw. The only food I store is milk and when it runs out (usually after 3 or 4 days) I just pop to the shop and buy some more. I recommend more people live like I do.

Supply and demand  ;D
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: alyosha on June 27, 2012, 07:12:05 AM
I am also a little curious about the term "center", however it is not a big deal.  Several organizations and some religions have encouraged Americans to store food and other items for emergencies.  The emergency does not have to be political upheaval, it can also be a natural disaster.

It is just common sense.  For those that go through life thinking "It can't happen to me",  are the first to want to mooch off those that prepared themselves.  Anyone that has seen store shelves empty out on one day, get the drift of why every family is wise to prepare in advance for emergencies.  It's not necessary to become a fanatic about it,  just use some common sense.  It not only includes food, but backup power and other essential items.

Tom Chittum, a Vietnam combat vet wrote "Civil War II" in 1995, detailing how the U.S. would break up like the Soviet Union and Yugoslavia, but on steroids.
Robert Prechter's book is the best explanation on the world wide civil unrest he sees as coming.
US will likely be hit hardest due to not having a cohesive ethnic core that Russia had.
Russia will be seeing problems to soon as oil is dropping fast in price, down 21% since February.
If a child were born to a Russian woman and an American man she could claim immigration preferrence due to being the mother of a U.S. citizen.
The problems coming will be world wide according to Prechter but I think eventually it will be much worse here in the U.S.  Too many mutually hostile racial/religious and linguistic groups.
A smart person, like some of these FSU ladies, should have at least a couple of opptions as to what continent they could legally live on.
I'm a vet so know how to evade trouble.  Only thing I'm concerned about is having a family to leave my farm and savings to.
It is 80 miles to the nearest big city so my little village should be a relatively safe place.
As I described the farm, it's a lot like Western Russia except several degrees warmer year round.  A lot of Volga Germans settled just west of me in the 1870's.  Guess it reminded them of home too.  A Russian lady should feel quite at home on the American Steppe.
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: alyosha on June 27, 2012, 07:41:36 AM
Im sorry, if all RW are too bad and materialistic, why you want to marry us? 
Or maybe you look for not there?
Most of you use the agencies. But usually agency have too young girls with no english, students, or woman with kids and with no good job.
So what a young girl want?  New boots, clothes and entertainments. What a woman with no good job and with kids want ? Money!
Smart and serious woman who want to find a good foreign husband - study inglish, have a PC and good internet for conversation, looking good, care for her health. And it means she have enough money for this.
But of course most of RW don't want to do anything and sits on their bums and waiting for the fine foreign prince on a white horse who will pay for all their wishes.

A Russian widow or divorcee with a child (lot's of Russian men died during the turmoil)
would do well to remarry and have another child.
Women can not help but give too much attention to their last baby.  As a result last borns in families often don't develop well socially.  I was the last born which is probably part of the reason I failed at marriage.  But now I'm experienced.   ;)
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Vinnvinny on June 27, 2012, 10:34:30 AM

Talking of free sites ……..
 
I’m still trying to work out why on the free sites I’m way too old for the age of lady I seek, yet on the pay and play sites the young hotties miraculously are very happy to meet old codgers of my age. It’s spooky, but it gives me faith in the Lord.
 
Btw. The only food I store is milk and when it runs out (usually after 3 or 4 days) I just pop to the shop and buy some more. I recommend more people live like I do.


Supply and demand  ;D


Yep, milk is delivered every day around these parts .......  :D
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: alyosha on June 27, 2012, 10:58:21 AM
I find your whole long post very interesting. I am especially interested in a detailed explanation of what the "Center" is  :)  Animals are cool too, especially if you cook them right.
And yes, I am as FSUW as it gets  ;)

A farmer 50 kilometers  east of us used to rent another 130 hectors from mother.  One year he showed us a photo with five deer hanging up.  He and his son had bagged them in one day.  Venison is a welcome addition to the locals diet during hunting season.
I also like Buffalo burgers, but haven't had the opportunity to eat one in years.
We always had fun on our grandparents farms during summers.
One thing I remember is aunt Blanche canning wild plumbs, and the time we all picked peaches near Wichita.
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Gator on June 27, 2012, 12:36:40 PM
Considering he is from Kansas with some devastating tornadoes each year, I thought the "center" was the National Weather Center (Service).  In Florida we follow the National Hurricance Center when a tropical depression appears on the weather map.
 
Then again, Center could be some right wing splinter group, white supremists, etc.
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: alyosha on June 27, 2012, 12:49:30 PM
Considering he is from Kansas with some devastating tornadoes each year, I thought the "center" was the National Weather Center (Service).  In Florida we follow the National Hurricanes Center when a tropical depression appears on the weather map.
 
Then again, Center could be some right wing splinter group, white supremists, etc.

I'm in Florida now dealing with rain from hurricane Debbie.  Kansas tornado's as a cause of injury are over hyped.  Greensburg Kansas got wiped of the map, looked like Hiroshima, but only seven died.  We have bunkers.
A woman down the road in Hen Scratch Florida was killed last week by a tornado spin off from Debbie.  In Florida they don't have tornado bunkers or sirens.  They just take the rare casualties.

My early phraseology was meant to mean something to more mature FSU ladies, or at least to their Babushkas if asked.
I remember the Russian girls fondly from my army tour in Berlin.
One looked just like Shura from "Ballad of A Soldier"  Now you know why my handle.
I want to return to my village, "Sovnosko."  :-)

As Katerina said to her visiting soldier son: "I did not wait for your father but I will wait for you"

Wait for me by Konstantin Simonov was a poam written for his wife in 1941 that went on to be widley popular in the war.

Wait for me and I’ll return, only wait very hard.
Wait when you are filled with sorrow as you watch the yellow rain.
Wait when the wind sweeps the snowdrifts.
Wait in the sweltering heat.
Wait when others have stopped waiting, forgetting their yesterdays.
Wait even when from afar no letters come for you.
Wait even when others are tired of waiting.

Wait for me and I’ll return, but wait patiently.
Wait even when you are told that you should forget.
Wait even when my mother and son think I am no more.
And when friends sit around the fire drinking to my memory
Wait and do not hurry to drink to my memory too.

Wait for me and I’ll return, defying every death.
And let those who do not wait say that I was lucky.
They will never understand that in the midst of death
You with your waiting saved me.
Only you and I will know how I survived:
It was because you waited as no one else did.

 


Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Gator on June 27, 2012, 01:34:49 PM

One looked just like Shura from "Ballad of A Soldier"  Now you know why my handle.


Great film.  My university student center showed it when I was a young man, and I was mesmerized.  Oddly 35 years later I am in Moscow walking near the space museum and I see the impressive "Worker and Collective Farm Girl" statue.  This statue was the opening logo in the film, evidently the film company's trademark (such as MGM's roaring lion).
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: alyosha on June 27, 2012, 04:16:42 PM
I've got the DVD.  That's one place I've picked up a smattering of Russian.
In the opening scene I remember the English translation" This is the road to town.  This is the road our people take when they go to market--or when they go away to war.
This is Katerina Skortsov.  She is waitng for no one.  She is waiting for her son Alyosha who didn't come home from the war."

It was fantastic propaganda during the cold war.
Two minutes into the movie and already they had you reaching for the Kleenex.

(Our unit had a few incidents with the Red Army at the Potsdamn check point, but I got to see some beautiful Russian girls on pass in East Berlin)
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: LiveFromUkraine on June 27, 2012, 04:25:35 PM
A farmer 50 kilometers  east of us used to rent another 130 hectors from mother.  One year he showed us a photo with five deer hanging up.  He and his son had bagged them in one day.  Venison is a welcome addition to the locals diet during hunting season.
I also like Buffalo burgers, but haven't had the opportunity to eat one in years.
We always had fun on our grandparents farms during summers.
One thing I remember is aunt Blanche canning wild plumbs, and the time we all picked peaches near Wichita.

I met a lovely Uzbekistan woman while on some travels in India.  She said she loved eating dog meat.  She also wanted me to visit and later said she would not tell me what we would be eating until afterwards.  I can only assume it would be either dog or some sort of brains as she enjoyed laughing at the faces I made when we talked about it.
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: alyosha on June 27, 2012, 04:40:15 PM
I hear you're not supposed to eat "chicken" if served it in small towns.
You remember our Donner Pass party caught in the High Sierra, winter of 1848/49?
Supposedly in Russia they call it "chicken".   :-(
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Olly on June 28, 2012, 09:49:44 AM
No, it is not quite that simple.
Many of them go to great lengths to hide the actual costs until you have spent a LOT of time there fussing around.
I don't know what is FSUW 101 list.
To find your THE ONE is takes a lot of time and efforts. Russians says: without efforts you can't get fish in a pond.
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: pemdas1983 on July 01, 2012, 10:00:07 PM
Vincenzo, this explanation looks plausible to me, but as a RW in Russia I would have a hard time believing it. A woman who is unattractive but who at the same time has this requirements for a man sounds rather unrealistic to me. Such woman must be a complete 'dura', out of her mind, which are relatively rare. In your answer however, you would want to rely on some significant number of then in the US. Again, hard time believing this.

Lily,

That obese woman in Vincenzo's photo is obviously a joke as it's overly exaggerated, BUT it's not too far from the truth.   In my experience, you do often times see fat girls with skinny guys in this country.  It's just, many times, they get upset with the skinny guy is as poor as shit. 

Fat girls, like skinny ones, want to be provided for, but can't compete with the hot girls.  So, they get angry and bitter when the rich men go for the hot girls.  But, the hot American girls tend, just like the fat ones, tend to have a ridiculously huge sense of entitlement.

It's hard to imagine the typical hot, American trophy wife doing a good job of raising children or being a good wife.  Her major concern would be to spend up her husband's money on shit.  Similarly, the really obese, girl wants this as well but her dumb-ass skinny boyfriend is uneducated and can't pay the bills with his minimum wage job.


Of course, that isn't all American girls and that isn't to say that American men don't have an undeserving sense of entitlement either.  People in this country do care more than just looks and material wealth, but I would say that we generally do have a very materialistic culture here.
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: alyosha on July 02, 2012, 05:47:35 AM
Lily,

That obese woman in Vincenzo's photo is obviously a joke as it's overly exaggerated, BUT it's not too far from the truth.   In my experience, you do often times see fat girls with skinny guys in this country.  It's just, many times, they get upset with the skinny guy is as poor as shit. 

Fat girls, like skinny ones, want to be provided for, but can't compete with the hot girls.  So, they get angry and bitter when the rich men go for the hot girls.  But, the hot American girls tend, just like the fat ones, tend to have a ridiculously huge sense of entitlement.

It's hard to imagine the typical hot, American trophy wife doing a good job of raising children or being a good wife.  Her major concern would be to spend up her husband's money on shit.  Similarly, the really obese, girl wants this as well but her dumb-ass skinny boyfriend is uneducated and can't pay the bills with his minimum wage job.


Of course, that isn't all American girls and that isn't to say that American men don't have an undeserving sense of entitlement either.  People in this country do care more than just looks and material wealth, but I would say that we generally do have a very materialistic culture here.

Some of us may be a bit too trusting in fate.  We think that if we just act normal we will find a partner.
One of the best pop psychologist in America 20 years back was John Bradshaw.
He might call "waiting for destiny" Magical Thinking.
My mother constantly advised me that if I studied hard and got a good job I would automatically get a wife.  That turned out not to be true.  I was using what Bradshaw called "Magical Thinking."
 
 A good capitalist would say I must have set my standards for a wife too high, and
therefore the other guys were out competing me.   
So on review it seemed the one standard best to lower would be having a trim wife.
In less than two years after making that decision I was married.
Of course it would have been better to improve my personality, but that is extremely difficult.
I will say one thing that attracts women is physical courage.  Unfortunately men world wide may have to display courage soon.
  I don't think what is coming in the Middle East and else where will be as bad as WWII, but men like Robert Prechter here in America say we will have major conflict.
One of your Russian academics, I remember his name begins with a P, also says America will have internal conflicts and break apart like the Soviet Union.  Russia may not be immune, but has already gone through probably the worst since 1991.
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Lily on July 02, 2012, 06:58:40 AM
Alyosha,
The majority of people do act normal in their daily life, and they do get partners this way, sooner or later. This is a normal behaviour for people, and it works for many people to a larger or lesser extent.
Men and women who look abroad however want more and better than what the local supply can offer them. Women in the FSU live in the society that tend to be very particular about many things, especially in the genders roles. They have a rather limited time of their lives in order to be deemed competitive on the dating market. If they find a way to get to the West, they inevitably will notice that their value on the dating market is different here. That's why it is in the woman's interest to get to the West if she wants to have a choice of men.
The same way works for the Western men. Life in the West is arranged the way that a number of local women are not that attractive, and men do not have enough choice, at least in comparison to what is available in the FSU in terms of gender relations. There might be many reasons for that, but let's just deal with what we have as a result. Men have to compete for attractive women in the West, the burden is on them, often not on the woman, to demonstrate his best features and to outcompete the other men.
It is not hard to notice this balance. Attractive women have an upper hand in the West, attractive men have the upper hand in the FSU. It is this simple, to put it generally.
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Boethius on July 02, 2012, 08:56:46 AM
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Life in the West is arranged the way that a number of local women are not that attractive, and men do not have enough choice, at least in comparison to what is available in the FSU in terms of gender relations.

I disagree.  Life in the West is arranged in a way that women do not necessarily need a man to have a fulfilling life and material comfort.  Few WW over forty-five want to remarry, and while divorce rates have, in the West, mostly decreased, they have doubled for couples over fifty.  Most of those women will date, but have no desire to marry again.  It's not attractiveness that is an issue, but the fact women have more choices.
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Daveman on July 02, 2012, 09:16:42 AM
I disagree.  Life in the West is arranged in a way that women do not necessarily need a man to have a fulfilling life and material comfort.  Few WW over forty-five want to remarry, and while divorce rates have, in the West, mostly decreased, they have doubled for couples over fifty.  Most of those women will date, but have no desire to marry again.  It's not attractiveness that is an issue, but the fact women have more choices.


I counter your disagree and raise you a partial disagreeing Nuh-Uh!  8)


It is true that fewer people in their 40's, men or women, want to marry.  I didn't necessarily want to get married again. 


And attractiveness is an issue here.  Which is the *whole* reason many guys go to the FSU.  There are fewer very attractive women here than say, 20 years ago.   People have become fatter, AND our selection pool has become older... many do not age well.  Sure, some do, but the "attractiveness" of the peer group has decreased. So, if a man wants a very physically attractive woman he has to compete for the few who have aged well, or go younger and compete with the younger men, or go somewhere else.   



Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Boethius on July 02, 2012, 09:26:25 AM
Quote
There are fewer very attractive women here than say, 20 years ago.   People have become fatter, AND our selection pool has become older... many do not age well.  Sure, some do, but the "attractiveness" of the peer group has decreased. So, if a man wants a very physically attractive woman he has to compete for the few who have aged well, or go younger and compete with the younger men, or go somewhere else.   


More men than women are fat, if statistics are to be believed.  But I don't think it is weight that is at play here, I think it is that many, many women over a certain age aren't interested in marriage.
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Lily on July 02, 2012, 09:27:33 AM
I disagree.  Life in the West is arranged in a way that women do not necessarily need a man to have a fulfilling life and material comfort.  Few WW over forty-five want to remarry, and while divorce rates have, in the West, mostly decreased, they have doubled for couples over fifty.  Most of those women will date, but have no desire to marry again.  It's not attractiveness that is an issue, but the fact women have more choices.
And I also do agree with that! In my post just considered the attractiveness only, and did not took into account the 'needs' part.
Your message is not just about attraction, but about the marriage that sometimes have other reasons behind it. This was not what I talked about.
 
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Daveman on July 02, 2012, 09:38:43 AM

More men than women are fat, if statistics are to be believed.  But I don't think it is weight that is at play here, I think it is that many, many women over a certain age aren't interested in marriage.


It's not really about which gender has a higher obesity (or plumpness) rate, or even about the lack of desire for marriage.. it's about "Why don't you just date an American woman?" as relating to our specific group. 


It boils down to the women whom the men *can* date are viewed as undesirable -- for whatever reason(s), rational or otherwise.   (note: yes, this includes the men being culled as undesirable themselves, thus reducing the overall number they can date).




Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Boethius on July 02, 2012, 09:41:48 AM
 Call me skeptical about the rationalizations, Dave.



And I also do agree with that! In my post just considered the attractiveness only, and did not took into account the 'needs' part.
 Your message is not just about attraction, but about the marriage that sometimes have other reasons behind it. This was not what I talked about.
 
But it is related.  If a woman is not interested in attracting a man, she will not necessarily turn her face into what my husband calls (in reference to FSUW he sees here), "nature morte", she won't dress in four inch heels and short skirts, etc.
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Daveman on July 02, 2012, 09:50:26 AM
Call me skeptical about the rationalizations, Dave.


No rationalizations in my comments.  Just an honest analysis of the situation.

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But it is related.  If a woman is not interested in attracting a man, she will not necessarily turn her face into what my husband calls (in reference to FSUW he sees here), "nature morte", she won't dress in four inch heels and short skirts, etc.


and THUS she becomes less attractive to men who are looking for a date...  it makes zero difference whether by her own choice or not because the fact remains she's out of the game... move those trees out of the way  ---- "Why don't you just date an American woman?"   :P
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Boethius on July 02, 2012, 09:55:36 AM
So call it what it is.  It is not because AW are all fat.  Plus, men looking for FSUW are not, in general, looking for women in their forties or beyond.
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Ade on July 02, 2012, 10:08:45 AM
So call it what it is.  It is not because AW are all fat.  Plus, men looking for FSUW are not, in general, looking for women in their forties or beyond.


Not only that but if there are more fat men than fat women, the competition for the slimmer ladies should be less. In theory. But let's be honest, it's not just about weight, it's generally more about guys with sexist tendencies, a huge sense of entitlement and, mostly, little mojo to show for it in their home country. All this is of course hidden behind the veil of language and cultural barriers when dating in the FSU... for a little while at least.  ;D
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Daveman on July 02, 2012, 10:11:37 AM
So call it what it is.  It is not because AW are all fat.  Plus, men looking for FSUW are not, in general, looking for women in their forties or beyond.


Not sure what your point of contention here is.. I DID call it exactly what it is.  I didn't write that they are ALL fat.. I stated that MORE are fat than twenty years ago (proven by statistics), that generally people don't age well (no statistics, but I think I can trust my power of observation on that one), and as your husband correctly noted - some women remove themselves -- so it is safe to infer that the number of very attractive women available for dating is smaller and therefore a much more competitive process manifests as a result.

It is what it is

TAG! You're it!  :D
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: missAmeno on July 02, 2012, 10:35:38 AM
If a woman is not interested in attracting a man, she will not necessarily turn her face into what my husband calls (in reference to FSUW he sees here), "nature morte", she won't dress in four inch heels and short skirts, etc.

...and as your husband correctly noted - some women remove themselves -- so it is safe to infer that the number of very attractive women available for dating is smaller and therefore a much more competitive process manifests as a result.

What women want guys that attracted to them due to four inch heels and short skirts?

Dave, those women dont remove themselves from dating pool, they just dont want to be drown in the shallowness of those guys who hung up on mini skirts.  :devil:
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Daveman on July 02, 2012, 10:44:13 AM
What women want guys that attracted to them due to four inch heels and short skirts?

Dave, those women dont remove themselves from dating pool, they just dont want to be drown in the shallowness of those guys who hung up on mini skirts.  >:D


LoL, so they remove themselves from the dating pool available to "those guys who hung up on mini skirts."   >:D



Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: pitbull on July 02, 2012, 10:47:53 AM
What women want guys that attracted to them due to four inch heels and short skirts?

Dave, those women dont remove themselves from dating pool, they just dont want to be drown in the shallowness of those guys who hung up on mini skirts.  >:D

The funny thing is that when the newly arrived RW wives start wearing the customary 100-lawyer make-up, 4-inch hills paired with mini skirts and tight shirts in the US, their husbands tend to tell them to tone down to blend in. Otherwise they look like a pimp and a prostitute for the neighbors.
I have to say, I am very careful with what I wear to work, and always ask my husband if the new purchase for work is too tight/short/sexy. It's better to be underdressed than overdressed if you are to bwe taken seriously in professional circles here.
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: missAmeno on July 02, 2012, 11:39:39 AM
Otherwise they look like a pimp and a prostitute for the neighbors.

 :ROFL:

I stopped wearing high heels together with short skirts in the 1st year living in UK. Each time I attempted to wear them together, after looking in the mirror, I came to conclusion if I get outside dressed like that everyone would read Eastern European женщина легкого поведения on my forehead.
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: vwrw on July 02, 2012, 06:35:18 PM
In my mind, being not interested in finding a husband and attracting men are poorly corelated in Russia. I was not intersted in marring someone until I was 24, yet i was always dressing myself to be appealing to men (with the exception when i was at work). I simply like to feel attractive and when men look on me with interst, i feel excitingly attractive. And i know many RW who feel the same.

Certainly, from my day one in America, i avoided Russian sexy style. From my arrival, i was observing how the women in my new culture were dressing themselves, and then i combind those observations to create my American sexy style which i use each time when i feel i need some reassurance of my attractiveness , and i am certain my behavior has nothing to do with finding a husband. I am happily married.

Some women just love get attention and they will work to be appealing: others feel discomfort because of it or have other ways to please themselves.  Maybe one day when i am in my 50, i also will learn to extract a pleasure from gardening and would care less about if men find me attractive. Though frankly, i hope to be like this women in this video. She enjoys being a magnet, yet something tells me that her being so attractive have nothing to do with finding a husband either.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=FIqHm3hqOIs#!
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: alyosha on July 02, 2012, 07:33:03 PM

I counter your disagree and raise you a partial disagreeing Nuh-Uh!  8)


It is true that fewer people in their 40's, men or women, want to marry.  I didn't necessarily want to get married again. 


And attractiveness is an issue here.  Which is the *whole* reason many guys go to the FSU.  There are fewer very attractive women here than say, 20 years ago.   People have become fatter, AND our selection pool has become older... many do not age well.  Sure, some do, but the "attractiveness" of the peer group has decreased. So, if a man wants a very physically attractive woman he has to compete for the few who have aged well, or go younger and compete with the younger men, or go somewhere else.
I think I've notice that people in FSU look to be less aged than people in the USA.   Intense sunlight in the USA ages our peoples skin faster. 
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: alyosha on July 02, 2012, 07:58:49 PM
Alyosha,
The majority of people do act normal in their daily life, and they do get partners this way, sooner or later. This is a normal behaviour for people, and it works for many people to a larger or lesser extent.
Men and women who look abroad however want more and better than what the local supply can offer them. Women in the FSU live in the society that tend to be very particular about many things, especially in the genders roles. They have a rather limited time of their lives in order to be deemed competitive on the dating market. If they find a way to get to the West, they inevitably will notice that their value on the dating market is different here. That's why it is in the woman's interest to get to the West if she wants to have a choice of men.
The same way works for the Western men. Life in the West is arranged the way that a number of local women are not that attractive, and men do not have enough choice, at least in comparison to what is available in the FSU in terms of gender relations. There might be many reasons for that, but let's just deal with what we have as a result. Men have to compete for attractive women in the West, the burden is on them, often not on the woman, to demonstrate his best features and to outcompete the other men.
It is not hard to notice this balance. Attractive women have an upper hand in the West, attractive men have the upper hand in the FSU. It is this simple, to put it generally.
I don't know the exact statistics, but in FSU I understand during the stress in the years just before and after 1991 a lot of men died.  In America we were told Russian men's life expectancy dropped to 57 years.  That could explain a shortage of men in FSU.
In America I think women are more picky because the welfare state replaces the lower class women's need for a provider.
For middle and upper class women government enforced employment preferences for woman probably makes educated women more picky about marriage.
Thirdly in America a lot of men divorce their wives at about age 45 and marry younger women.
That makes women under 40 in short supply.
Fourthly in America the media down plays the importance of marriage.  I don't think you have that in FSU.  I understand the Russian government even pays couples to have children.
Eventally I may try to find what in the US we call a surrogate mother, but I will have to be able to find a wife here first and my dissident activity has put me in a real bind that is too complicated to go into.  One famous young political commentator mysteriously died suddenly this year of a "heart attack" at age 43.  Dissent can be dangerous.
And as to my negatives, the big one is I'm congenitally shy.  Shy to a degree you wouldn't believe.
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: ML on July 03, 2012, 09:51:09 AM
I think I've notice that people in FSU look to be less aged than people in the USA.   Intense sunlight in the USA ages our peoples skin faster.

You are 180 degrees out of whack here.
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: GregfromGa on July 03, 2012, 09:57:39 AM
You are 180 degrees out of whack here.

Me thinks as well.
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: alyosha on July 03, 2012, 05:08:35 PM
:ROFL:

I stopped wearing high heels together with short skirts in the 1st year living in UK. Each time I attempted to wear them together, after looking in the mirror, I came to conclusion if I get outside dressed like that everyone would read Eastern European женщина легкого поведения on my forehead.

I can't read the cryillic but I understand enough to get a good laugh.   :-)  Prazem
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: alyosha on July 03, 2012, 05:22:07 PM
You are 180 degrees out of whack here.
  You live where in Washington state??
I live in Florida, they tell us the sun will give us skin cancer and damage our looks as well.  I've known several people here who have skin cancers. That's why farm women here in the south get leathery looking skin by age 50.
It's mostly when your skin is young and tender that you get sun damage.  If you are over 25 before getting exposed you will not have a problem.  That's why all the Southern Bells in "Gone With the Wind" carried parasols.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGlSpj9hXzY&feature=results_main&playnext=1&list=PL301AADC4DB17685C

I think the first thing I noticed was the old Russian WWII vets they showed on TV ten years ago looked a heck of a lot younger than you'd think.
Also when I first arrived in Berlin in February from training in Georgia, my first thought was all the guys in the Berlin garrison had pale and pink rosy colored skin like babies.
To me they actually looked like over sized babies. :-)
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Anotherkiwi on July 03, 2012, 05:28:25 PM
...If you are over 25 before getting exposed you will not have a problem...

Utter rubbish!  Coming from the part of the world which has the highest incidence of melanoma and other skin cancers, I can categorically refute that.  I know several people who have been affected in their 40s and 50s.  I/O and Kuna, who both live in Queensland (with the absolute No 1 rating), will back me up.
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: alyosha on July 03, 2012, 05:43:07 PM
Quote from AnotherKiwi:

"Utter rubbish!  Coming from the part of the world which has the highest incidence of melanoma and other skin cancers, I can categorically refute that.  I know several people who have been affected in their 40s and 50s.  I/O and Kuna, who both live in Queensland (with the absolute No 1 rating), will back me up."



I've always read that the most damage is done when you are younger.
You likely won't get cancer until you are past 45 any way. 
The cases I know of personally were four people who were born in Florida, one in Louisiana and one who spent his childhood in Southern California.
I know no one who was born outside the South and got skin cancer.
My ancedotal experience backs up what the doctors say.  Most of your later life problems comes from exposure in your childhood and teenage years.
It's pretty much like everything else dangerous in your environment, children are the most vulnerable.
Give it a rest man, you talk like that and we're all gonna die bachelors! :-)

NOTE MOST PEOPLE WHO GREW UP IN THE SOUTH DON"T HAVE THESE PROBLEM AND 98% of cases are NOT SERIOUS.
And I'll buy my blushing bride a van load of parasols!!!
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Boethius on July 03, 2012, 06:12:48 PM
According to what I've read, sun damage in childhood doubles the risk of melanoma.  That doesn't mean the sun can't cause damage later, just that your risk is increased if you have had sunburns as a child.
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Chemist on July 03, 2012, 07:21:42 PM
Dating AW would be fine if that was my goal.  But I wish to get married and it's becoming a dying institution in the US.

Marriage is my goal so after a few years of trying to date in the US after my divorce with an AW, I decided to go to a place where women are looking to get married and aren't ashamed to be admitting that fact.  The FSU became one of those places for me because the FSUW do a much better job of marketing themselves than the AW do.  Try to compare profiles on a American dating website with those on a FSUW site.  See the difference?

It was enough to make me curious, at least.  Once I made a few trips, I came to the conclusion that dating is simply more enjoyable in the FSU than the US so I'll likely never go back to dating AW.
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: erikmagenta on July 04, 2012, 12:12:32 AM
Dating AW would be fine if that was my goal.  But I wish to get married and it's becoming a dying institution in the US.

Marriage is my goal so after a few years of trying to date in the US after my divorce with an AW, I decided to go to a place where women are looking to get married and aren't ashamed to be admitting that fact.  The FSU became one of those places for me because the FSUW do a much better job of marketing themselves than the AW do.  Try to compare profiles on a American dating website with those on a FSUW site.  See the difference?

It was enough to make me curious, at least.  Once I made a few trips, I came to the conclusion that dating is simply more enjoyable in the FSU than the US so I'll likely never go back to dating AW.

Understatement of the century.  If, and that is a gigantic if, an AW is anywhere near the hotness level which I seek, you hear 100 different reasons why she cannot go out with you until the 12th of never.  Russian Ukrainian women are more slender, more fashionable by 10,000 times, hotter and say why not?  Let's do it!!  It's just that easy.  It's a world economy, and soon that will include more and more men saying enough is enough.  Boring "feminist" American women who think they can wait until they are 40 years old and "fulfilled" before getting married are on the way out.  They will be dinasours!!
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: BC on July 04, 2012, 02:47:15 AM
It was enough to make me curious, at least.  Once I made a few trips, I came to the conclusion that dating is simply more enjoyable in the FSU than the US so I'll likely never go back to dating AW.

Pretty expensive and time consuming though....

In your shoes I would continue dating at home.

There are always women around that are dating material.. I don't buy into the whole feminazi deal.  I think one has to look pretty deep to find out what it is that will not allow you to attract the women you want.

Is it age?
Is it looks?
Is it money?

Don't think FSUW are looking for anything less than a woman would in the US, especially if she starts to reorient herself in new surroundings, which is quite normal btw...

'Too good to be true...'  There is a lot of common sense in that.
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Turboguy on July 04, 2012, 05:00:12 AM

Don't think FSUW are looking for anything less than a woman would in the US, especially if she starts to reorient herself in new surroundings, which is quite normal btw...

I would agree they are not looking for less but I do think the priorities are different.  I think looks are more important to AW and within reason less important to an FSU woman.  I think inner qualities and financial stability are more important to an FSU woman and less important to AW.  In the USA a hunk who is an auto mechanic or a pizza delivery person will find lots of interest in the oppoisite sex.  A corporate executive who is a little nerdy will spend a lot of Saturday nights alone but probably will do well with FSU women.  FSU women value a secure man who treats them well and has good inner qualities.  AW are quite accepting of a handsome hunk who has little going for them and treats them like crap.  Most RW won't take a lot of crap from anyone.
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: TheTraveler on July 04, 2012, 05:48:12 AM
I would agree they are not looking for less but I do think the priorities are different.  I think looks are more important to AW and within reason less important to an FSU woman.  I think inner qualities and financial stability are more important to an FSU woman and less important to AW.  In the USA a hunk who is an auto mechanic or a pizza delivery person will find lots of interest in the oppoisite sex.  A corporate executive who is a little nerdy will spend a lot of Saturday nights alone but probably will do well with FSU women.  FSU women value a secure man who treats them well and has good inner qualities.  AW are quite accepting of a handsome hunk who has little going for them and treats them like crap.  Most RW won't take a lot of crap from anyone.

enjoying your posts immensely!

keep 'em coming, braugh!
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: TheTraveler on July 04, 2012, 05:54:04 AM
In America I think women are more picky because the welfare state replaces the lower class women's need for a provider.

For middle and upper class women government enforced employment preferences for woman probably makes educated women more picky about marriage.

interesting points, alyosha.
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Chemist on July 04, 2012, 07:42:58 AM
Pretty expensive and time consuming though....

In your shoes I would continue dating at home.

That won't be likely.

If it's one thing I've learned is that finding a wife, particularly a foreign one, is that it's a huge commitment that can't be done half-assed.  A trip to the FSU from America requires significant planning and the use of a limited amount of vacation time.  An AM who is dating at home will never end up on the plane to the FSU because he'll always be wondering how is current dating prospect will turn out and end up putting the trip on hold repeatedly.  In which case, it isn't fair to the FSUW he would be corresponding with and it would be better that he not even start the endeavor.

Yes, it's more expensive and time consuming, but if the venue is much more enjoyable, then the value is priceless.




Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: IAmZon on July 04, 2012, 10:02:45 AM
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I think inner qualities and financial stability are more important to an FSU woman and less important to AW.

Yes, but!

There is clearly an "auction mentality" at work with very attractive women (and men) in modern, first world cities - and to a lesser extend third world cities too).   The prize goes to the highest bidder (I am not just talking about money, but that can be a big part of it).

I have seen well-intentioned women come the the USA from Russia (apparently in love and hoping for the best).  The first year is always difficult.  After the transition, a very young and attractive woman can find herself in a relationship where the gloss has worn  thin, and in a situation where she did not get the highest price possible.  Women who are looking for a foreign husband and have the courage to act, and re-locate, are by definition ambitious.  Thus, the seeds of problems can be in the motivation for the initial meeting.

This is why I think it is enormously dangerous for a guy to go out of age and league with a 18 - 28 year old woman.   Ice cube's chance in hell, I think.

ON THE OTHER HAND, it is possible for a RW to be happy in a "prosperous life" (financially speaking) in the middle class / upper middle class income range.  If there is a real relationship you do not have to be a millionaire to buy the girl of your dreams.


Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Boethius on July 04, 2012, 10:09:14 AM
Quote
In the USA a hunk who is an auto mechanic or a pizza delivery person will find lots of interest in the oppoisite sex.  A corporate executive who is a little nerdy will spend a lot of Saturday nights alone but probably will do well with FSU women.  FSU women value a secure man who treats them well and has good inner qualities.  AW are quite accepting of a handsome hunk who has little going for them and treats them like crap.  Most RW won't take a lot of crap from anyone.

You won't see too many college educated women dating the pizza delivery man.  Many won't even date a mechanic, though I don't know why.

I think college aged women will date "hunks" for fun and sex, as will some older women, but not for a relationship.  Unless the hunk has a brain/money.  I can tell you from observation, there are tons of young women who will sleep with the forty year old nerd, many within hours of meeting him, provided he has a wad of cash.
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Muzh on July 04, 2012, 12:04:16 PM
Lily,

That obese woman in Vincenzo's photo is obviously a joke as it's overly exaggerated, BUT it's not too far from the truth.   In my experience, you do often times see fat girls with skinny guys in this country.  It's just, many times, they get upset with the skinny guy is as poor as shit. 

Fat girls, like skinny ones, want to be provided for, but can't compete with the hot girls.  So, they get angry and bitter when the rich men go for the hot girls.  But, the hot American girls tend, just like the fat ones, tend to have a ridiculously huge sense of entitlement.

It's hard to imagine the typical hot, American trophy wife doing a good job of raising children or being a good wife.  Her major concern would be to spend up her husband's money on shit.  Similarly, the really obese, girl wants this as well but her dumb-ass skinny boyfriend is uneducated and can't pay the bills with his minimum wage job.


Of course, that isn't all American girls and that isn't to say that American men don't have an undeserving sense of entitlement either.  People in this country do care more than just looks and material wealth, but I would say that we generally do have a very materialistic culture here.

My goodness man, where the hell do you hang out?
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Muzh on July 04, 2012, 12:09:34 PM

Not only that but if there are more fat men than fat women, the competition for the slimmer ladies should be less. In theory. But let's be honest, it's not just about weight, it's generally more about guys with sexist tendencies, a huge sense of entitlement and, mostly, little mojo to show for it in their home country. All this is of course hidden behind the veil of language and cultural barriers when dating in the FSU... for a little while at least.  ;D

Right on the nail.
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Muzh on July 04, 2012, 12:14:20 PM

The funny thing is that when the newly arrived RW wives start wearing the customary 100-lawyer make-up, 4-inch hills paired with mini skirts and tight shirts in the US, their husbands tend to tell them to tone down to blend in. Otherwise they look like a pimp and a prostitute for the neighbors.
I have to say, I am very careful with what I wear to work, and always ask my husband if the new purchase for work is too tight/short/sexy. It's better to be underdressed than overdressed if you are to bwe taken seriously in professional circles here.


BONG!!!

We have another winner!!!

On both counts.
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Muzh on July 04, 2012, 12:21:42 PM
  You live where in Washington state??
I live in Florida, they tell us the sun will give us skin cancer and damage our looks as well.  I've known several people here who have skin cancers. That's why farm women here in the south get leathery looking skin by age 50.
It's mostly when your skin is young and tender that you get sun damage.  If you are over 25 before getting exposed you will not have a problem.  That's why all the Southern Bells in "Gone With the Wind" carried parasols.


Bzzzzzzzzz.

Awww, wrong answer.

The reason older women in the south (and anywhere else) exhibit leathery skin is because of the smoking and hard liquor. (As in everything else, there are exceptions.)

Fact.
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: erikmagenta on July 05, 2012, 02:05:58 PM
Dating AW would be fine if that was my goal.  But I wish to get married and it's becoming a dying institution in the US.

Marriage is my goal so after a few years of trying to date in the US after my divorce with an AW, I decided to go to a place where women are looking to get married and aren't ashamed to be admitting that fact.  The FSU became one of those places for me because the FSUW do a much better job of marketing themselves than the AW do.  Try to compare profiles on a American dating website with those on a FSUW site.  See the difference?

It was enough to make me curious, at least.  Once I made a few trips, I came to the conclusion that dating is simply more enjoyable in the FSU than the US so I'll likely never go back to dating AW.

Understatement of the century.  If, and that is a gigantic if, an AW is anywhere near the hotness level which I seek, you hear 100 different reasons why she cannot go out with you until the 12th of never.  Russian Ukrainian women are more slender, more fashionable by 10,000 times, hotter and say why not?  Let's do it!!  It's just that easy.  It's a world economy, and soon that will include more and more men saying enough is enough.  Boring "feminist" American women who think they can wait until they are 40 years old and "fulfilled" before getting married are on the way out.  They will be dinasours!!
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: BC on July 05, 2012, 02:52:20 PM
Understatement of the century.  If, and that is a gigantic if, an AW is anywhere near the hotness level which I seek, you hear 100 different reasons why she cannot go out with you until the 12th of never.  Russian Ukrainian women are more slender, more fashionable by 10,000 times, hotter and say why not?  Let's do it!!  It's just that easy.  It's a world economy, and soon that will include more and more men saying enough is enough.  Boring "feminist" American women who think they can wait until they are 40 years old and "fulfilled" before getting married are on the way out.  They will be dinasours!!

yadda yadda.....

Once in the new environs, FSUW will adapt quite well...  Dont even expect her to remain the same as she was in FSU.  The accent might stick around for a bit but that's about it.  Don't expect more.
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: erikmagenta on July 05, 2012, 06:31:09 PM
yadda yadda.....

Once in the new environs, FSUW will adapt quite well...  Dont even expect her to remain the same as she was in FSU.  The accent might stick around for a bit but that's about it.  Don't expect more.

Whoever said that I intend to bring a woman to the West?  I intend to live in Russia or other country where men still are respected and have rights.  So yadda yadda to that....
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Chemist on July 05, 2012, 09:07:03 PM
Whoever said that I intend to bring a woman to the West?  I intend to live in Russia or other country where men still are respected and have rights.  So yadda yadda to that....

Sorry Erik, but I have to ask since I don't know your background:

Are you fluent in Russian?  Have you lived there before or know somebody who lives there?  Can you get a job there or perhaps you're independently wealthy?

Living in the FSU is much different than visiting a week or two.  I've read about people who have moved there and nobody describes it as easy.

Men are expected to support and provide for their families and you won't be able to do this very well if you lived with a lady in Russia.  It would be best of she moved to the US to be with you.  You at least know this culture and how to take care of things, which she would be more comfortable with.

Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: IAmZon on July 06, 2012, 05:22:46 AM
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Men are expected to support and provide for their families and you won't be able to do this very well if you lived with a lady in Russia.  It would be best of she moved to the US to be with you.  You at least know this culture and how to take care of things, which she would be more comfortable with.

It is increasingly possible for men to work remotely with Internet / phone for extended periods of time.  Thus, geographic borders are less of a limitation.
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: BC on July 06, 2012, 06:20:36 AM
Whoever said that I intend to bring a woman to the West?  I intend to live in Russia or other country where men still are respected and have rights.  So yadda yadda to that....

Strange, I can't recall you ever indicating that your intent was to move to FSU.  Just doesn't add up.. why in the world talk about socials, agencies and such when the best way to find a woman that does not intend to emigrate is to do so while living there.  Sort of putting the cart before the horse or?

Oh, guess I forgot your brothel book research... yes, such could well be less expensive there but doubt a publishing house will give much of a book advance for this kind of research.  Might also be incompatible with the women you would date there.

I dunno... the whole secret book thing, now going to live in FSU.. sounds like vaporware to me, but surely we'll get another answer that somehow explains all these contradictions, raising even more questions than those answered..
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: IAmZon on July 06, 2012, 06:43:45 AM
vaporware

LOL
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Hammer2722 on July 06, 2012, 07:11:00 AM
I intend to live in Russia or other country where men still are respected and have rights.  So yadda yadda to that....

I think the more accurate statement would be: "I intend to live in Russia or other country where women have less rights and men rule!!!!"  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: IAmZon on July 06, 2012, 07:56:28 AM
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I think the more accurate statement would be: "I intend to live in Russia or other country where women have less rights and men rule!!!!"

Don't be so flippant about a cultural truth. 

 I lived in Colombia for a couple years. I was just in EE and Ukraine for 2 months.  My first weekend back to the good old USA, I went to a restaurant with my family, and approached the hostess / bartender / waitress with a drink order.  I got the look and response!   The USA is NOT neutral and balanced in this regard!  IT IS TRUE HERE - it is not make believe.

Living in EE; Colombia and elsewhere, the value of being a man is much higher.   IT IS TRUE THERE  - it is not make believe.

Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Hammer2722 on July 06, 2012, 08:20:38 AM
Don't be so flippant about a cultural truth. 

 I lived in Colombia for a couple years. I was just in EE and Ukraine for 2 months.  My first weekend back to the good old USA, I went to a restaurant with my family, and approached the hostess / bartender / waitress with a drink order.  I got the look and response!   The USA is NOT neutral and balanced in this regard!  IT IS TRUE HERE - it is not make believe.

Living in EE; Colombia and elsewhere, the value of being a man is much higher.   IT IS TRUE THERE  - it is not make believe.

I'm not being so flippant as you so lightly put it. The fact is that women have less rights in FSU countries as well as South America. That is a fact! Just ask all the single mothers that can't get any support from the deadbeat dad's. Especially in FSU!
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Faux Pas on July 06, 2012, 08:29:48 AM
Whoever said that I intend to bring a woman to the West?  I intend to live in Russia or other country where men still are respected and have rights.  So yadda yadda to that....

erik, the more you post the more you reveal. One doesn't get respected because they have a penis. There are a lot of penises in the world. If you want respect as a man, you have to be a man and earn it. It would appear you aren't receiving your idea of respect in your current environment and you are laying the blame for that on Western women. You are coming off as a serious misogynist. You are either damaged goods or you have a hellva lot to learn FWIW

Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: IAmZon on July 06, 2012, 08:31:00 AM
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I'm not being so flippant as you so lightly put it. The fact is that women have less rights in FSU countries as well as South America. That is a fact! Just ask all the single mothers that can't get any support from the deadbeat dad's. Especially in FSU!

Of course, I am not a supporter of men who shrink their moral / human obligations.

MORE TO THE POINT on this board, I think, is the core problem:  How do you take a woman who has a general "lower social value" relative to men, and then put that woman in an environment where her social value sky rockets relative to men generally (presumably her husband specifically)  Clearly this is a new and beneficial environment to the women.

Add to that these three points:
1) at a time in a when she is newly married
2) in a relationship where she has very likely settled below the norms of the destination country (league and age)
3) at a time where she is rediscovering her potential in life.
Not so advantageous to the man I think ... or, are we to believe?

BTW - I am not saying one environment is Right, or Better ... I am just noting the difference - and it is more severe than most of us want to acknowledge.
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Faux Pas on July 06, 2012, 08:42:50 AM
Don't be so flippant about a cultural truth. 

 I lived in Colombia for a couple years. I was just in EE and Ukraine for 2 months.  My first weekend back to the good old USA, I went to a restaurant with my family, and approached the hostess / bartender / waitress with a drink order.  I got the look and response!   The USA is NOT neutral and balanced in this regard!  IT IS TRUE HERE - it is not make believe.

Living in EE; Colombia and elsewhere, the value of being a man is much higher.   IT IS TRUE THERE  - it is not make believe.

Bull kaka. You "value" as a man isn't any greater in EE, Columbia or anywhere else over the USA. The difference it would appear that you experience is the value of your wallet. Likely you are confusing your value as a man with your value as a customer
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: IAmZon on July 06, 2012, 09:09:20 AM
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Bull kaka. You "value" as a man isn't any greater in EE, Columbia or anywhere else over the USA. The difference it would appear that you experience is the value of your wallet. Likely you are confusing your value as a man with your value as a customer

I have had this discussion / debate many, many times.  I have never lost to an open minded man ... and am very accurate with my words.  Unlike you ... "it would appear that you experience is the value of your wallet"

So you are telling me that the social values of gender the same in the USA, Colombia, EE, Ukraine, or Russia?   Hmmm.  Give me something concrete without name calling and I will respond, so we can see where this goes.  Otherwise, your silence is appreciated.
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Faux Pas on July 06, 2012, 09:43:56 AM
I have had this discussion / debate many, many times.  I have never lost to an open minded man ... and am very accurate with my words.  Unlike you ... "it would appear that you experience is the value of your wallet"

With yourself no doubt? So anyone who doesn't agree with you is close-minded? You are already admitting your unworthiness in such a debate with your need to point out spelling, here on an internet forum. Please try not to be so anal retentive.

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So you are telling me that the social values of gender the same in the USA, Colombia, EE, Ukraine, or Russia?   Hmmm.  Give me something concrete without name calling and I will respond, so we can see where this goes.  Otherwise, your silence is appreciated.

I'm not telling you anything and I do not post for your appreciations. If you desire my silence, maybe you should lobby for the ignore function.  The value of a "man" has nothing to do with the country he is in if indeed, he truly is a man. Being a man requires much more than having a penis and a wallet.  Don't confuse your idea of self worth as a man with that of your wallet. Your value as a man should be the same, no matter what country you find yourself in.  I am sure you have difficulty with the concept. I would expect nothing less from you
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: IAmZon on July 06, 2012, 10:05:46 AM
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The value of a "man" has nothing to do with the country he is in if indeed, he truly is a man. Being a man requires much more than having a penis and a wallet.  Don't confuse your idea of self worth as a man with that of your wallet. Your value as a man should be the same, no matter what country you find yourself in.  I am sure you have difficulty with the concept. I would expect nothing less from you

Ahh!  I will overlook your penis wallet comments, and pretend you have a serious point.

You do not think the value of a man is different in the USA to Colombia, for example?!?!?   I think you are severely mistaken.  Maybe in the eyes of God. But, as a practical matter, a man has a MUCH different social value in Colombia than the USA. 

1, Security / Protection - this is the biggest factor.  While human beings have evolved for 10,000, it has been primarily the male gender that has protected the women and children.  In Colombia, that is still very much the case.  When your woman grabs your hand in Colombia, often times she feels more safe.  This NEVER happens in the USA.  This has a universal and absolute affect on the genders in the USA. It makes the man less responsible - less a man.

Do you think this is unjust, a fabrication.  I can assure you it is not!   When a woman, or man, or couple experience ANYTHING in the USA, one or both are capable of dialing 911 - and the gender based system runs to the rescue.    This has a universal and absolute affect on the genders in Colombia.  It makes the man more responsible - more a man.

2, Food / Shelter / Resources - this is the second biggest factor. In the USA, a woman does not need a man for physical needs In fact, current studies show men are less and less capable compared to women.   Look at college enrollment, for example.   If women do not need men, they often choose not to have them - and wear flat shoes, and become fat.   But, the fact that men increasingly are not the sole or capable breadwinners / and that women do not need a man has a deep affect on the valuation of men too.Then, there is the hypersensitivity feminist ... it is not OK for anybody to be sexy - except lesbians  (Hey has anyone notice the lesbian worship that is happening in the USA ?)== anyway, I would be curious if FP, or others would suggest these two points are flawed?
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: ML on July 06, 2012, 10:24:12 AM
  Hey has anyone noticed the lesbian worship that is happening in the USA ?

A couple of years back I went to a k.d. lang concert (my choice).
She is a great soulful singer and performer, regardless of sexual orientation.

And, man, did she get the worship treatment from many female members of the  audience.  They yelled out many sexual suggestions to her.  She just smiled and said: I would love to honey.

- - - -

Anyway, it is not just lesbian worship that is expanding; it extends to gay men also.

Anyone watch the recent Tony Awards?
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: BC on July 06, 2012, 10:29:09 AM
Ahh!  I will overlook your penis wallet comments, and pretend you have a serious point.

You do not think the value of a man is different in the USA to Colombia, for example?!?!?   I think you are severely mistaken.  Maybe in the eyes of God. But, as a practical matter, a man has a MUCH different social value in Colombia than the USA. 

1, Security / Protection - this is the biggest factor.  While human beings have evolved for 10,000, it has been primarily the male gender that has protected the women and children.  In Colombia, that is still very much the case.  When your woman grabs your hand in Colombia, often times she feels more safe.  This NEVER happens in the USA.  This has a universal and absolute affect on the genders in the USA. It makes the man less responsible - less a man.

I wonder how much of this is environmental.  If it is a safety issue any man will do that has hands.

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Do you think this is unjust, a fabrication.  I can assure you it is not!   When a woman, or man, or couple experience ANYTHING in the USA, one or both are capable of dialing 911 - and the gender based system runs to the rescue.    This has a universal and absolute affect on the genders in Colombia.  It makes the man more responsible - more a man.
2, Food / Shelter / Resources - this is the second biggest factor. In the USA, a woman does not need a man for physical needs In fact, current studies show men are less and less capable compared to women.   Look at college enrollment, for example.   If women do not need men, they often choose not to have them - and wear flat shoes, and become fat.   But, the fact that men increasingly are not the sole or capable breadwinners / and that women do not need a man has a deep affect on the valuation of men too.

Then, there is the hypersensitivity feminist ... it is not OK for anybody to be sexy - except lesbians  (Hey has anyone notice the lesbian worship that is happening in the USA ?)

== anyway, I would be curious if FP, or others would suggest these two points are flawed?


Had a long chat with my uncle before he passed.  He would often ask the more international folk if we feel free living overseas.  We would often talk about individual liberties in different countries.  One of his best examples came out during our last discussion..  "The other day I was down near the boat ramp..  A car full of ladies hopped out of a SUV towing a fair sized boat.  They backed down the ramp, got the boat in the water and sped away to have some fun around the island. 

I was a bit befuddled with his example.. but did finally get the point that a large part of freedom is equality.

Equality brings choice..

In the US and some other countries women thrive on the choices that make them free.  In other countries it is indeed much different as you state but I think you confuse it with being feminine or 'traditional' when in fact they simply are provided with fewer choices in life.

Think about it a bit.
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Faux Pas on July 06, 2012, 11:08:03 AM
Ahh!  I will overlook your penis wallet comments, and pretend you have a serious point.

There is a serious point there riv, you're just not capable of seeing it. Your level of integrity is what you do when nobody is looking

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You do not think the value of a man is different in the USA to Colombia, for example?!?!?   I think you are severely mistaken.  Maybe in the eyes of God. But, as a practical matter, a man has a MUCH different social value in Colombia than the USA. 

Is this you building yet another straw man for you to attack? I'll remind you we got to this point, based on places "where men are still respected and have rights" and now it's men's social value in Columbia versus USA? Two different but, related, I'll grant you that. I am not referring to in the eyes of God. I am referring to the man himself, in his own eyes. If his respect for himself changes because he is in a 3rd world country, he has no integrity, dignity or self respect. Respect, and specifically self respect is earned. Not awarded because you are in a different place.

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1, Security / Protection - this is the biggest factor.  While human beings have evolved for 10,000, it has been primarily the male gender that has protected the women and children.  In Colombia, that is still very much the case.  When your woman grabs your hand in Colombia, often times she feels more safe.  This NEVER happens in the USA.  This has a universal and absolute affect on the genders in the USA. It makes the man less responsible - less a man.

This does happen in the USA. Likely just doesn't happen to you. Maybe some self introspection will help you find out why. Many women still look to a man for protection and to feel safe. Even AW. Columbia hasn't cornered the market on women that look to a man as a protector. Some women, even in Columbia don't need a man for anything, just like many women elsewhere. Why would this threaten you as a man? If it doesn't threaten you, why is it an issue? Perhaps you don't give out the pheromones or vibes to indicate to WW that you are capable as a protector?

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Do you think this is unjust, a fabrication.  I can assure you it is not!   When a woman, or man, or couple experience ANYTHING in the USA, one or both are capable of dialing 911 - and the gender based system runs to the rescue.    This has a universal and absolute affect on the genders in Colombia. 
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It makes the man more responsible - more a man
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Again, why would this bother or threaten you? Do you have a need to physically dominate your women? Can you not win women over with an interesting personality, wit and charm?
You ARE still responsible as a man to be a man, no matter if it's in Columbia, EE or the USA. Is the responsibility to be a real man just too much for you to bear?


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2, Food / Shelter / Resources - this is the second biggest factor. In the USA, a woman does not need a man for physical needs In fact, current studies show men are less and less capable compared to women.   Look at college enrollment, for example.   If women do not need men, they often choose not to have them - and wear flat shoes, and become fat.   But, the fact that men increasingly are not the sole or capable breadwinners / and that women do not need a man has a deep affect on the valuation of men too.

I've got news for you guy, most women still need a man for physical needs too but, that's not all. Most men have to step their game up too. You yourself have had a laundry list of what you expect in a women yet, you think the women don't have the same? Your sense of entitlement is over the top. You seem to think women should need you because you are a male. You're in for a surprise if it ever does click. Women have to want you and it is your responsibility to insure that they do. That onus is yours.

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Then, there is the hypersensitivity feminist ... it is not OK for anybody to be sexy - except lesbians (Hey has anyone notice the lesbian worship that is happening in the USA ?)

== anyway, I would be curious if FP, or others would suggest these two points are flawed?

I don't know that bizzaro world you are living in. I know and see sexy hetero women all the time, every day. The world has become really desensitized to the homosexual community. I'm comfortable in my heterosexuality, it doesn't bother me. I don't support it but, power to those who do.

Your points are seriously flawed and predicated on your need to have women "need you". Color me surprised.

I know of what you speak when you keep incessantly harping on women in Columbia. I would say it gives you  a very false sense of self-worth. I've been to Central America many times. I expect it isn't that different from Columbia. It can in no way be honestly compared to dating in the US. Very disingenuous to try.

Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: IAmZon on July 06, 2012, 11:24:51 AM
I am nut talking about SELF worth.  I am talking about the social value of a man, or woman.

The opposite is true (I wonder how you will personalize this statement).  In the USA, few things are valued more than youth and beauty.  Do I really need to prove this?!?  So, take a 30 year old, very beautiful women from Colombia / Russia, and place her in Anywhere USA, it is likely she will feel a much higher social value.  (notice not self value)  Do you see this, or are you blind to this example too?


Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: BC on July 06, 2012, 11:36:36 AM
I am nut talking about SELF worth.

Freudian...
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: erikmagenta on July 06, 2012, 11:45:08 AM
erik, the more you post the more you reveal. One doesn't get respected because they have a penis. There are a lot of penises in the world. If you want respect as a man, you have to be a man and earn it. It would appear you aren't receiving your idea of respect in your current environment and you are laying the blame for that on Western women. You are coming off as a serious misogynist. You are either damaged goods or you have a hellva lot to learn FWIW

Thanks FauxPas, yet we all have our perceptions of reality and of what we believe in at our core.  You are welcome to think and believe what you want.

In regards to learning, I read a lot and do actually enjoy learning new things.  My fave saying from my High School counselor--the more I learn, the more I learn, how much I have to learn.

You can call me a mysoginist if you want--I believe in Patriarchy and in traditional values.  Some women do as well.  Those kind of women are the ones I love and cherish.  It's very silly to call a guy a mysoginist if he does not care for certain type of women who only want to destroy society as a whole.  What do you call them??
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: erikmagenta on July 06, 2012, 11:49:17 AM
Sorry Erik, but I have to ask since I don't know your background:

Are you fluent in Russian?  Have you lived there before or know somebody who lives there?  Can you get a job there or perhaps you're independently wealthy?

Living in the FSU is much different than visiting a week or two.  I've read about people who have moved there and nobody describes it as easy.

Men are expected to support and provide for their families and you won't be able to do this very well if you lived with a lady in Russia.  It would be best of she moved to the US to be with you.  You at least know this culture and how to take care of things, which she would be more comfortable with.

Chemist,

No I am not even remotely fluent in Russian, but speak conversational Spanish well enough to get by in South America, so that is the likely final destination--not forever, but a few years of it I would really like to experience.  If I were to marry an FSU gal, we could go there first, and then to the USA if she really really wanted to.
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: erikmagenta on July 06, 2012, 12:04:12 PM
Strange, I can't recall you ever indicating that your intent was to move to FSU.  Just doesn't add up.. why in the world talk about socials, agencies and such when the best way to find a woman that does not intend to emigrate is to do so while living there.  Sort of putting the cart before the horse or?

Oh, guess I forgot your brothel book research... yes, such could well be less expensive there but doubt a publishing house will give much of a book advance for this kind of research.  Might also be incompatible with the women you would date there.

I dunno... the whole secret book thing, now going to live in FSU.. sounds like vaporware to me, but surely we'll get another answer that somehow explains all these contradictions, raising even more questions than those answered..

When did I ever once talk about a social??  Never been to one, will never go!!  Agencies?  Probably will not need to use one.  If I get a certificate to teach English to foreign students, I can live and work in Russia or Ukraine and meet women while there.  Capiche??  On top of that, I already have a pension which is an aditional source of income.  It's enough that I could live in either place for 3 months at ease.

The book?/  You're probably right, it will probably never happen.  I did not like the response, I feel it is a losing battle.  More importantly I am working on a totally different business plan which I have had for many many years. 
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Faux Pas on July 06, 2012, 01:21:44 PM
I am nut talking about SELF worth.  I am talking about the social value of a man, or woman.

The opposite is true (I wonder how you will personalize this statement).  In the USA, few things are valued more than youth and beauty.  Do I really need to prove this?!?  So, take a 30 year old, very beautiful women from Colombia / Russia, and place her in Anywhere USA, it is likely she will feel a much higher social value.  (notice not self value)  Do you see this, or are you blind to this example too?

More avoidance? Yeah exactly as I suspected, so much for the debate eh?  :rolleyes:

To answer your latest straw man, youth and beauty is reveled just about everywhere isn't it? Why should the USA be any different? Do you insinuate that it is top priority valued? No need to prove it by me. Was it not valued in Columbia? It is valued in Ukraine is it not? I notice you didn't seek a 48 year old Ukrainian women. I've never heard mention dating a 40-50 year old Columbian either.

What is your point? Everybody's social value is predicated only on their beauty and youth? Is this just the USA or no? Your beauty and youth or lack of, should be dismissed by those 30 year old Ukrainian women while you do not dismiss the 40-50 year olds?

If your 30 year old beauty from Columbia or Russia needs to be appreciated for her beauty she will likely find it in her own country as well as the USA. If she needs it to feel a value as a person, she'll be in heaven. Likely she'll also be an empty airhead.
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: BC on July 06, 2012, 02:11:19 PM
When did I ever once talk about a social??  Never been to one, will never go!!  Agencies?  Probably will not need to use one. If I get a certificate to teach English to foreign students, I can live and work in Russia or Ukraine and meet women while there.  Capiche??  On top of that, I already have a pension which is an aditional source of income.  It's enough that I could live in either place for 3 months at ease.

The book?/  You're probably right, it will probably never happen.  I did not like the response, I feel it is a losing battle.  More importantly I am working on a totally different business plan which I have had for many many years.

Can't recall plans to teach English either.  There have been a couple of discussions about doing that, IIRC pretty tough to eek out a living.  I do know it can be pretty expensive for anything near a western lifestyle.  How's your Russian?  Ukrainian?  Spanish?.. ahh that was already asked upthread by another poster.

oh well....

Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: erikmagenta on July 06, 2012, 03:26:04 PM
Can't recall plans to teach English either.  There have been a couple of discussions about doing that, IIRC pretty tough to eek out a living.  I do know it can be pretty expensive for anything near a western lifestyle.  How's your Russian?  Ukrainian?  Spanish?.. ahh that was already asked upthread by another poster.

oh well....

My Spanish is good enough to get by, yet can improve dramatically if living in a Spanish speaking country.  Income as an English teacher, income from a pension, and income from a website business alltogether is more than enough.  In fact my pension is high enough that I could live very well in several countries in South America--but I like to keep busy, so would do other things as well.  My pension is enough, that through my research (admittedly a lot better than most of my posts here would indicate) I could afford a luxury 2 or 3 bedroom apartment, with maid service, etc.
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Gator on July 06, 2012, 04:50:55 PM
Rivardco raises an interesting point.  Regarding how women treat men in American and FSU, I have noticed a difference.   I am not talking about women one encounters in business and commerce and government service, but women in a dating environment.   
 
The population of RW seems bifurcated into those who are cleverly seductive  and those who simply ignore you. 
 
With regard to AW, some can be just as "charming" (i. e., seductive) as any RW.   And many ignore you as with RW.    Unlike RW, not a small number of AW seem to have a chip on their shoulder.  Even though I have never met them before, some AW will act as if I were the man who gave them a bad time on their last date.   Some may even accuse you of misogyny based on a  mundane comment.  Why so rude?  Why am I the enemy?    Is this the result of psychotherapy, self-help books, etc.  Why not just say "Get Lost!"  Why the putdown.
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Gator on July 06, 2012, 04:55:52 PM
I have also noticed a difference in how men value women in the American and FSU societies.   
 
With regard to pursuing women and adoring them early in the relationship, the RM seems  far more demonstrative if not dramatic.   They do not make rehearsed flirty quotes in public, yet flowers, gifts, words, displays, etc. flow freely.   I have seen young RM chase after a RW with her nose in the air, virtually down on his knees begging forgiveness, as explained to me by another RW.  And the RW with me is laughing knowing it is an act.
 
I don't behave this way, and never did even when very young and horny.
 
Fast forward to marriage.   When visiting a married couple, one hears "Don't pick up the dirty dishes, that is woman's work."
 
Exceptions must exist, and my experience with visiting FSU married couples is small.
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: erikmagenta on July 06, 2012, 08:37:25 PM
Rivardco raises an interesting point.  Regarding how women treat men in American and FSU, I have noticed a difference.   I am not talking about women one encounters in business and commerce and government service, but women in a dating environment.   
 
The population of RW seems bifurcated into those who are cleverly seductive  and those who simply ignore you. 
 
With regard to AW, some can be just as "charming" (i. e., seductive) as any RW.   And many ignore you as with RW.    Unlike RW, not a small number of AW seem to have a chip on their shoulder.  Even though I have never met them before, some AW will act as if I were the man who gave them a bad time on their last date.   Some may even accuse you of misogyny based on a  mundane comment.  Why so rude?  Why am I the enemy?    Is this the result of psychotherapy, self-help books, etc.  Why not just say "Get Lost!"  Why the putdown.

+1  It is media and Hollywood conditioning to blame men for everything, and for those type of women to never ever take any responsibility for their own actions. 
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: IAmZon on July 07, 2012, 02:00:20 AM
As a result of living much of my time outside the USA for the past several years, there are two issues that when raised, my comments - in the USA - come off as extreme and out of proportion:

1, Obesity in America (it is breathtakingly amazing!  It is obvious that we are poisoning ourselves here, and most do not even notice)
2, The Male gender is depicted as "boobs" in TV commercials / print advertising.
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Gylden on July 07, 2012, 02:18:18 AM
As a result of living much of my time outside the USA for the past several years, there are two issues that when raised, my comments - in the USA - come off as extreme and out of proportion:

1, Obesity in America (it is breathtakingly amazing!  It is obvious that we are poisoning ourselves here, and most do not even notice)
2, The Male gender is depicted as "boobs" in TV commercials / print advertising.

I have been living for the last 15 years outside of the US. I have been active in South America and Europe, although not in eastern Europe.
I have noticed the obesity phenomenon pretty much everywhere in Europe (especially in the youth) IMO it is because of the increase in consumption of fast food/semi prepared food/soda and the increase in the use of motor vehicles.
People who are living in poorer countries are on foot more often and prepare food from raw materials more often (more exercise and better diet).
 
As for the male gender being depicted as "boobs" well in many cases "if the shoe fits".
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: missAmeno on July 07, 2012, 04:30:51 AM
As for the male gender being depicted as "boobs" well in many cases "if the shoe fits".

 :clapping:




Been laughing reading all this silly comments about men having bigger value in FSU. Made me realize that this forum is the best sarcastic comedy I have read in long time. Keep writing, just dont forget to take with you your thick wallets when vising FSU.
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Faux Pas on July 07, 2012, 07:29:36 AM
:clapping:




Been laughing reading all this silly comments about men having bigger value in FSU. Made me realize that this forum is the best sarcastic comedy I have read in long time. Keep writing, just dont forget to take with you your thick wallets when vising FSU.

+1
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: IAmZon on July 07, 2012, 08:44:50 AM
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Been laughing reading all this silly comments about men having bigger value in FSU. Made me realize that this forum is the best sarcastic comedy I have read in long time. Keep writing, just dont forget to take with you your thick wallets when vising FSU.

You can state it several ways:

- Men have a higher social value in more traditional societies (places where masculine characteristics still add to life - physical security and "bringing home the bacon")

- Men have a lower social value in societies that have become "gender neutral". (physical security is institutionalized.  Women and feminine traits are tending to trump masculine traits in higher education and the modern work place)

- Women (probably best to say attractive women) have a lower social value in places like Colombia / FSU because  (a) diet, exercise, willingness to dress sexy ... make beauty less rare  (b) less in control of business, justice, police - the institutions of power

- Women have a higher social value in the USA, UK, Norway (a) fat, less willing/motivated to dress attractively  b) very equal in the workplace and leadership)

Sarcastic comedy - or obvious truism?
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: IAmZon on July 07, 2012, 09:30:19 AM
It is hard (Impossible) to NOT agree with these objective observations.  Here is a nice example, of which there are millions.  Man is a boob.  Woman in control.  Girls Night Out.  Do you think this would run in the USA 10 - 20 years ago?  If this were ONLY ONE example, it would be humorous ... but it is systemic of how current society in the USA is imaging the male gender.   OF COURSE, this does not apply to everyone, individually.  Just like it is not true that ALL people are fat.  But, it is a clear and obvious generality

http://youtu.be/pMP4PF3DNg8
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Faux Pas on July 07, 2012, 09:58:25 AM
It is hard (Impossible) to NOT agree with these objective observations.  Here is a nice example, of which there are millions.  Man is a boob.  Woman in control.  Girls Night Out.  Do you think this would run in the USA 10 - 20 years ago?  If this were ONLY ONE example, it would be humorous ... but it is systemic of how current society in the USA is imaging the male gender.   OF COURSE, this does not apply to everyone, individually.  Just like it is not true that ALL people are fat.  But, it is a clear and obvious generality

http://youtu.be/pMP4PF3DNg8

Suck it up and grow you a pair there Cupcake. It is what it is. Do you feel you've been wronged because the US has moved toward (still debatable) a gender equal society? Or is it the 48 year old Lotharios have too much trouble trying to bag the sub 30 year old hotties?
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: tfcrew on July 07, 2012, 10:09:22 AM
 :offtopic: First post in this thread-

I don't know about pcmatic.
I have malwarebytes anti-malware & superantispyware ...
They have free versions [updateable] that work great.

Now...I say 'date' anyone you want, just be careful who you would marry...........
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: missAmeno on July 07, 2012, 10:27:30 AM
Here is a nice example, of which there are millions.  Man is a boob.  Woman in control.  Girls Night Out.

If you believe wife that time to time enjoys company of her mates makes husband into "boob", you should have a talk with psychologist.
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: IAmZon on July 07, 2012, 10:36:18 AM
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CupCake?  Is what it is? Do you feel you've been wronged because the US has moved toward (still debatable) a gender equal society?

You have an affinity to personalize anything I post.  Cup Cake ...

You like to be super supportive of the whole MOB thing, for anybody wishing to dive in (or so it seems).  Kumbaya Kumbaya.  I, on the other hand, am interested in designing a life that does not necessarily build upon the definitions at hand.  Therefore, I AM interested in facts, observations and general impressions of others.  You are not.   ( Do us a favor an put me on ignore )

Does it bother me about the relative social value of men declining in the West?  Not really.  But, it is hard not to notice, and I would prefer not to participate.  I guess that is one of the many reasons I don't live here full time anymore.

It is similar to obesity.  I weight 10 pounds more than I did in college.  I went to my 30 THIRTIETH High School reunion last weekend.   Mr. Basketball was about 125 pounds overweight.  Mr. Football was about 75 pounds overweight (although he is short)  The captain of the cheer leading team was probably coming in at 190 pounds too.  Does that bother me, personally?  NO. But, it is hard not to notice an epidemic ... and I would prefer not to participate.
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: IAmZon on July 07, 2012, 10:38:36 AM
Ms A - PLEASE.  Look at the little video again and tell me that is all you see?!?!?!

When you make posts like this that are so one dimensional and obtuse, it subtracts from whatever other credibility your other posts contain.   

Is that REALLY all you see?  (yes, this is a test)
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: missAmeno on July 07, 2012, 11:25:16 AM
Ms A - PLEASE.  Look at the little video again and tell me that is all you see?!?!?!

When you make posts like this that are so one dimensional and obtuse, it subtracts from whatever other credibility your other posts contain.   

Is that REALLY all you see?  (yes, this is a test)

What do you see so scary in that video? Why you so petrified of women in control?
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: IAmZon on July 07, 2012, 11:30:25 AM
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What do you see so scary in that video? Why you so petrified of women in control?

Stop it.  I have noted rather obvious facts.  I am NOT making a mountain out of a mole hill.  At one point, you say these points do NOT exist.  Then, you suggest IF they do exist then the fault is MINE because I find them "harmful" or "scary".   NO.  NO NO  Let's take one point at a time. 

Factually, do you agree or disagree with any part of the below?

You can state it several ways:

- Men have a higher social value in more traditional societies (places where masculine characteristics still add to life - physical security and "bringing home the bacon")

- Men have a lower social value in societies that have become "gender neutral". (physical security is institutionalized.  Women and feminine traits are tending to trump masculine traits in higher education and the modern work place)

- Women (probably best to say attractive women) have a lower social value in places like Colombia / FSU because  (a) diet, exercise, willingness to dress sexy ... make beauty less rare  (b) less in control of business, justice, police - the institutions of power

- Women have a higher social value in the USA, UK, Norway (a) fat, less willing/motivated to dress attractively  b) very equal in the workplace and leadership)

=> After this, then we can move to the specific, or personal level.  Something you and FP seem to have a hard time living without. <=
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Faux Pas on July 07, 2012, 11:37:58 AM
You have an affinity to personalize anything I post.  Cup Cake ...

You like to be super supportive of the whole MOB thing, for anybody wishing to dive in (or so it seems).  Kumbaya Kumbaya.  I, on the other hand, am interested in designing a life that does not necessarily build upon the definitions at hand.  Therefore, I AM interested in facts, observations and general impressions of others.  You are not.   ( Do us a favor an put me on ignore )

Us a favor? Have you got a mouse in your pocket? It is all personal, Cupcake. Your generalizations are all personal. I am supportive of the whole MOB thing for those worthy enough and for those that have the cajones  to do it. Those that use it as an excuse to inflate their own suffering egos, play sex tourist, well, they receive little support from me. You are full of nothing but excuses riv. You can fool some of the people some of the time, just not all of the people all of the time. You are damaged goods dude and your looking for excuses under every rock why the blame doesn't lay with you. Good luck with that.
 
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Does it bother me about the relative social value of men declining in the West?  Not really.  But, it is hard not to notice, and I would prefer not to participate.  I guess that is one of the many reasons I don't live here full time anymore.

It is similar to obesity.  I weight 10 pounds more than I did in college.  I went to my 30 THIRTIETH High School reunion last weekend.   Mr. Basketball was about 125 pounds overweight.  Mr. Football was about 75 pounds overweight (although he is short)  The captain of the cheer leading team was probably coming in at 190 pounds too.  Does that bother me, personally?  NO. But, it is hard not to notice an epidemic ... and I would prefer not to participate.

Social value of men and the obesity problem of the US. Yeah, that's the ticket. Yeah that's it. That is what drives the 48 year old shallow and conceited hopefuls around the world to hunt/date women 20 years his junior that he can't date at home. There has to be something else to blame. It can't possibly be his own fault can it?  :rolleyes:

As long as you posting your current line of tripe in the open forum, I'll pick and choose what I wish to respond to. You are welcome to do the same. None of it will be at your leisure, only mine.  ;D
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: GQBlues on July 07, 2012, 12:30:32 PM
...
You can state it several ways:

- Men have a higher social value in more traditional societies (places where masculine characteristics still add to life - physical security and "bringing home the bacon")

- Men have a lower social value in societies that have become "gender neutral". (physical security is institutionalized.  Women and feminine traits are tending to trump masculine traits in higher education and the modern work place)

- Women (probably best to say attractive women) have a lower social value in places like Colombia / FSU because  (a) diet, exercise, willingness to dress sexy ... make beauty less rare  (b) less in control of business, justice, police - the institutions of power

- Women have a higher social value in the USA, UK, Norway (a) fat, less willing/motivated to dress attractively  b) very equal in the workplace and leadership)

I am with you hero. Not sure why anyone is debating your personal perception.

You deem yourself of lower social value and thus you feel the only road to your personal happiness and redemption is finding someone who thinks the same of herself which is why you've been spending a great deal of your life searching in places mentioned.

Knowing what we know of you these days, who can really argue with your cause and logic?
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Gylden on July 07, 2012, 01:12:54 PM
It is hard (Impossible) to NOT agree with these objective observations.  Here is a nice example, of which there are millions.  Man is a boob.  Woman in control.  Girls Night Out.  Do you think this would run in the USA 10 - 20 years ago?  If this were ONLY ONE example, it would be humorous ... but it is systemic of how current society in the USA is imaging the male gender.   OF COURSE, this does not apply to everyone, individually.  Just like it is not true that ALL people are fat.  But, it is a clear and obvious generality


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOrSZUFCHk4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOrSZUFCHk4)

I think humor is just a popular way to advertise, it goes both ways.
That said, which woman do you find sexier?
 
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Gylden on July 07, 2012, 01:18:23 PM
Here is another.
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgvogxW0qhE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgvogxW0qhE)
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: erikmagenta on July 07, 2012, 01:35:59 PM
Funny stuff Glyden.  Are those vids in Europe?  To be honest I am not sure we have any that good here in the USA, as they might be deemed "sexist" and cause a company to lose money.  Of course in the case of Hooters and some other such "breastarants" there was just an article, I think on the net, that those type of restaurants are doing great business and making a profit, while others are losing money.  Just goes to show that guys really do enjoy that kind of stuff and will "pay" for it so to speak.

I also agree with you that for every commercial putting down men (allegedly, as it is open to interpretation), there are often nearly as many (I say nearly as many, because IIRC there was a time period when the majority seemed to be putting down men) which make fun of women.
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: missAmeno on July 07, 2012, 01:46:43 PM
Stop it.  I have noted rather obvious facts.  I am NOT making a mountain out of a mole hill.  At one point, you say these points do NOT exist.  Then, you suggest IF they do exist then the fault is MINE because I find them "harmful" or "scary".   NO.  NO NO  Let's take one point at a time. 

So after all it was "woman in control"  ;D  But what is bothering you so much? She is not in control of your life and not in control of her husband's life, she is in control of her own life. Do you feel powerless if women doesnt need you to control her?  :rolleyes: 

Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: newjason on July 08, 2012, 07:30:57 AM
Wow
this thead is a trip.

So we must all be ranked by our attractiveness , our weight, and our gender. 
Otherwise, punt and move to a place where they will believe this bullshit.

wow
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Faux Pas on July 08, 2012, 07:45:23 AM
Wow
this thead is a trip.

So we must all be ranked by our attractiveness , our weight, and our gender. 
Otherwise, punt and move to a place where they will believe this bullshit.

wow

Only for the superficial and vain among us  ;D
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: IAmZon on July 08, 2012, 07:59:51 AM
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Wow this thead is a trip. So we must all be ranked by our attractiveness , our weight, and our gender. 
Otherwise, punt and move to a place where they will believe this bullshit. wow

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Only for the superficial and vain among us

Support Group WARNING ... Kumbaya   Anything that offends the fairy tale pursuits is scorned.  Ah, it would be nice to live in the Victorian era, right boys.

Point is everything I said about the culture and environment is DEAD ON. The basic points I posted up thread are 100% facutal - not my creation! And, they most likely will have some bearing on a relationship that most of you have had, or will  have, or want to have.  To think anything else is foolish.

RWD is full of micro details about finding, dating, courting, governmental details (and all the lies and traps therein) ... but, all of that drives to one simple question after all the language, and culture, and league gaps and age gaps and so on and so on: Will both people be happy with the relationship they have entered into over time in a new environment and culture?  For most the answer is, and will be NO.  For others the answer is, and will be, yes. 

Bien Suerte ...
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Faux Pas on July 08, 2012, 08:07:27 AM

Point is everything I said about the culture and environment is DEAD ON. The basic points I posted up thread are 100% facutal - not my creation! And, they most likely will have some bearing on a relationship that most of you have had, or will  have, or want to have.  To think anything else is foolish.


Said the fool  :-X
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: IAmZon on July 08, 2012, 08:31:42 AM
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Said the fool

I have a CRAZY idea! Instead of calling me a fool (or many variations thereof), or cozying up to GrandpaBob (your willingness to accept and promote, I simply do not understand), or simply saying everything is possible for everybody - "just keep your eyes closed" ... why don't you express yourself factually.  Are the following observations not accurate, and do they not come into play in international dating / marriage?

( I am seriously wondering if you are capable of a substantive answer on the concept, without referencing me in any way, shape of form )

Factually, do you agree or disagree with any part of the below?

You can state it several ways:

- Men have a higher social value in more traditional societies (places where masculine characteristics still add to life - physical security and "bringing home the bacon")

- Men have a lower social value in societies that have become "gender neutral". (physical security is institutionalized.  Women and feminine traits are tending to trump masculine traits in higher education and the modern work place)

- Women (probably best to say attractive women) have a lower social value in places like Colombia / FSU because  (a) diet, exercise, willingness to dress sexy ... make beauty less rare  (b) less in control of business, justice, police - the institutions of power

- Women have a higher social value in the USA, UK, Norway (a) fat, less willing/motivated to dress attractively  b) very equal in the workplace and leadership)
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Faux Pas on July 08, 2012, 08:55:30 AM
I have a CRAZY idea! Instead of calling me a fool (or many variations thereof), or cozying up to GrandpaBob (your willingness to accept and promote, I simply do not understand), or simply saying everything is possible for everybody - "just keep your eyes closed" ... why don't you express yourself factually.  Are the following observations not accurate, and do they not come into play in international dating / marriage?

( I am seriously wondering if you are capable of a substantive answer on the concept, without referencing me in any way, shape of form )

Factually, do you agree or disagree with any part of the below?

You can state it several ways:

- Men have a higher social value in more traditional societies (places where masculine characteristics still add to life - physical security and "bringing home the bacon")

- Men have a lower social value in societies that have become "gender neutral". (physical security is institutionalized.  Women and feminine traits are tending to trump masculine traits in higher education and the modern work place)

- Women (probably best to say attractive women) have a lower social value in places like Colombia / FSU because  (a) diet, exercise, willingness to dress sexy ... make beauty less rare  (b) less in control of business, justice, police - the institutions of power

- Women have a higher social value in the USA, UK, Norway (a) fat, less willing/motivated to dress attractively  b) very equal in the workplace and leadership)

*YAWN* You are sounding like a broken record riv. Have you anything new? Anything at all?
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Faux Pas on July 08, 2012, 08:56:14 AM
BTW, you ARE Grand Pa riv
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Gylden on July 08, 2012, 09:02:56 AM
Actually Rivarco, IMO women and men have traditionally had their own place in society. To say one is higher than another seems to be where we part ways. Regardless if a woman chooses to be a housewife/mother or a lawyer/doctor I can't see the difference in a level of importance to society.
I really believe women can be valued for who they really are, without being a threat to men. I don't feel threated anyway.
 
What criteria are you using to determine social value?
 
 
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Faux Pas on July 08, 2012, 09:07:13 AM
riv, you can dress it up anyway you like, polish, spin, make up excuses with society until the cows come home but, it doesn't cover up the core of your problem. The only reason you can't date the 20-30 hard body beautiful AW is because, they don't want to date you. If they did, they would (without paying them, that is  ;D). Is that not "factual"?
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: IAmZon on July 08, 2012, 09:23:58 AM
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riv, you can dress it up anyway you like, polish, spin, make up excuses with society until the cows come home but, it doesn't cover up the core of your problem. The only reason you can't date the 20-30 hard body beautiful AW is because, they don't want to date you. If they did, they would (without paying them, that is  (http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/Smileys/default2/grin.gif)). Is that not "factual"?

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Actually Rivarco, IMO women and men have traditionally had their own place in society. To say one is higher than another seems to be where we part ways.

1, Gylden, I am not commenting on the comparative value between man and women

2, Everybody else, I did not make this $hit up.  The fact that most of you want to NOT see it, or call me names for simply making MY OBSERVATIONS is, well SUSPICIOUS - and does not change reality.  If I can not get one active member here to chime in with a sober thought of realism, perhaps I should reference some intellectual weakling, and social low life - The Atlantic Monthly!
Increasingly, I see this place as a homogeneous, isolated little world.

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The End of MenEarlier this year, women became the majority of the workforce for the first time in U.S. history. Most managers are now women too. And for every two men who get a college degree this year, three women will do the same. For years, women’s progress has been cast as a struggle for equality. But what if equality isn’t the end point? What if modern, postindustrial society is simply better suited to women? A report on the unprecedented role reversal now under way— and its vast cultural consequences
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2010/07/the-end-of-men/8135/ (http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2010/07/the-end-of-men/8135/)

PS - And, you don't think this stuff is relevant to your current, future marital plans?  WHAT A JOKE
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: IAmZon on July 08, 2012, 09:37:26 AM
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BTW, you ARE Grand Pa riv

your fixation on me has reached the level of "spooky".   So, I am a Grand father?  You must know something that I do not ...
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: BC on July 08, 2012, 09:56:12 AM
Riv,

The article you referenced supports FP's statement 100%

riv, you can dress it up anyway you like, polish, spin, make up excuses with society until the cows come home but, it doesn't cover up the core of your problem. The only reason you can't date the 20-30 hard body beautiful AW is because, they don't want to date you. If they did, they would (without paying them, that is  ;D). Is that not "factual"?
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Faux Pas on July 08, 2012, 10:42:39 AM
your fixation on me has reached the level of "spooky".   So, I am a Grand father?  You must know something that I do not ...

You are old enough to be. Don't be confusing my need to call out bullshit when I see it as a fixation on you. Just more of your vanity  ;D
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: BC on July 08, 2012, 10:53:39 AM
Riv,

how old are you btw?.....   I'm now 52 and yes, a grandpa.

Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: LiveFromUkraine on July 08, 2012, 10:53:59 AM
Riv, maybe you can explain more about what you perceive as social value.  I don't think I am understanding your meaning. 

For example, more women becoming managers may have something to do with more women going to college now. 

It almost reads like you would rather women be more dependent on men like they are in several 3rd world countries.  I also don't understand why you are trying to pass off your perceptions of reality as fact based.

Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: LiveFromUkraine on July 08, 2012, 10:55:13 AM
You are old enough to be. Don't be confusing my need to call out bullshit when I see it as a fixation on you. Just more of your vanity  ;D

FP, yes, you are spooky but it seems to be ok for a guy to repeatedly ask other guys if they are gay.   :P
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: LAman on July 08, 2012, 11:16:38 AM
Is it  possible.......................... for a single man to have a mid-life crisis?? :o
 
Ones thoughts/observations(even suspicions) are perceptions on life as it is(in their eyes).....they are not facts per se.
There is only one sure thing.........you can either agree or disagree.....
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: erikmagenta on July 08, 2012, 11:32:40 AM
Riv, maybe you can explain more about what you perceive as social value.  I don't think I am understanding your meaning. 

For example, more women becoming managers may have something to do with more women going to college now. 

It almost reads like you would rather women be more dependent on men like they are in several 3rd world countries.  I also don't understand why you are trying to pass off your perceptions of reality as fact based.

3rd world countries have higher birth rates, probably because of more clearly defined male and female roles.  Are you, like "elite" "feminists", critisizing women in the USA who willingly choose to stay home and be traditional mothers and wives??  Germany and Russia have declining birthrates.  These countries will not be able to pay for pensions and benefits of future retired generations, if they continue to have declining birthrates.  In the case of Russia it could become extremely dangerous as they have 1 Billion hungry Chinese people at their South East border.

This is not to suggest that a woman cannot be fulfilled and work at a career of her choice after raising the children to a certain age where they can go out on their own.  There is something very positive to say about traditional roles, and you should not discount those roles without acknowledging the benefits--both to the immediate family, and to society as a whole.
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Gylden on July 08, 2012, 11:43:24 AM
Men who feel threatened by women will place a different value on women than men who are not threatened by women.
Men who do not have daughters might have problems to understand women's importance in society and their freedom for their own pursuit of happiness.
This doesn't mean women want to replace or undervalue men either.
Let us as men make ourselves worthy of high values and truly respect and value our women for who they are as individuals and not stereotypes.
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: LiveFromUkraine on July 08, 2012, 11:45:02 AM
3rd world countries have higher birth rates, probably because of more clearly defined male and female roles.  Are you, like "elite" "feminists", critisizing women in the USA who willingly choose to stay home and be traditional mothers and wives??  Germany and Russia have declining birthrates.  These countries will not be able to pay for pensions and benefits of future retired generations, if they continue to have declining birthrates.  In the case of Russia it could become extremely dangerous as they have 1 Billion hungry Chinese people at their South East border.

This is not to suggest that a woman cannot be fulfilled and work at a career of her choice after raising the children to a certain age where they can go out on their own.  There is something very positive to say about traditional roles, and you should not discount those roles without acknowledging the benefits--both to the immediate family, and to society as a whole.

Strange, you ask me if I criticize women for staying at home based on my post?  I would be interested in understanding how you came to that question.  Maybe it will provide some insight into the way you view things.

My mother stayed home.  I don't know how you came up with me implying it is a bad thing.  I just said women have more choices and that is a good thing.  They don't have to settle for staying at home being dependent on a man like in the past. 

Would you prefer a woman marrying and staying with you because of dependency?

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Germany and Russia have declining birthrates.

You can add Japan to that list.  I believe Japan is more traditional.  The costs of raising a child has increased tremendously throughout the years in many first world countries.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/post/the-cost-of-raising-kids-in-two-charts/2012/06/18/gJQA35ENlV_blog.html (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/post/the-cost-of-raising-kids-in-two-charts/2012/06/18/gJQA35ENlV_blog.html)


That also means that two incomes are required for many families.
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: alyosha on July 08, 2012, 03:42:52 PM
That won't be likely.

If it's one thing I've learned is that finding a wife, particularly a foreign one, is that it's a huge commitment that can't be done half-assed.  A trip to the FSU from America requires significant planning and the use of a limited amount of vacation time.  An AM who is dating at home will never end up on the plane to the FSU because he'll always be wondering how is current dating prospect will turn out and end up putting the trip on hold repeatedly.  In which case, it isn't fair to the FSUW he would be corresponding with and it would be better that he not even start the endeavor.

Yes, it's more expensive and time consuming, but if the venue is much more enjoyable, then the value is priceless.



I was dreaming of a trip and of enjoying site seeing even if I didn’t meet anyone. :-)
But then the memory came back of the one or two times our KGB (quaintly known as the FBI) and their KGB (now known as the FSB) colluded in attempting to entrap and arrest me.
So there is a real chance I would be whisked off to an Eastern European prison the minute I got off the plane.
I’m an American dissident and we get entrapped by the KG…I mean, the FBI all the time. 
So I must remain strong and sacrifice myself for Mother Rodi… I mean Mother Columbia.

:-(

Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: erikmagenta on July 08, 2012, 04:43:30 PM
Men who feel threatened by women will place a different value on women than men who are not threatened by women.
Men who do not have daughters might have problems to understand women's importance in society and their freedom for their own pursuit of happiness.
This doesn't mean women want to replace or undervalue men either.
Let us as men make ourselves worthy of high values and truly respect and value our women for who they are as individuals and not stereotypes.

Who are these guys who feel "threatened" by women?? 


 :ROFL:


Whether a man is more traditional or more modern, either way both men admire and respect women, in their own individual ways.

Just as we should not and cannot try to prevent women from being in the workforce and being successful, of which there are huge numbers of successful career women or women who own their business,

We should not and cannot try to prevent women who wish to have a traditional family from doing so.  So called elite feminists have been trying to badmouth mothers and homemakers for decades now.  Just recently the Obama campaign tried to badmout Mrs. Romney because she was a stay at home Mom and not a career woman, and it totally backfired on them.

The great thing about the West and the USA is we can value a woman for whatever her choice may be.  Mothers who want to stay at home and let the man work, if that is their choice, should be just as highly valued and respected as women who want to go to University and pursue a career.  It's called liberty.
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Faux Pas on July 08, 2012, 04:50:21 PM
Men who feel threatened by women will place a different value on women than men who are not threatened by women.
Men who do not have daughters might have problems to understand women's importance in society and their freedom for their own pursuit of happiness.
This doesn't mean women want to replace or undervalue men either.
Let us as men make ourselves worthy of high values and truly respect and value our women for who they are as individuals and not stereotypes.

Excellent post Gylden.

Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Anotherkiwi on July 08, 2012, 05:25:11 PM
Who are these guys who feel "threatened" by women?? 


 :ROFL:


Whether a man is more traditional or more modern, either way both men admire and respect women, in their own individual ways.

Just as we should not and cannot try to prevent women from being in the workforce and being successful, of which there are huge numbers of successful career women or women who own their business,

We should not and cannot try to prevent women who wish to have a traditional family from doing so.  So called elite feminists have been trying to badmouth mothers and homemakers for decades now.  Just recently the Obama campaign tried to badmout Mrs. Romney because she was a stay at home Mom and not a career woman, and it totally backfired on them.

The great thing about the West and the USA is we can value a woman for whatever her choice may be.  Mothers who want to stay at home and let the man work, if that is their choice, should be just as highly valued and respected as women who want to go to University and pursue a career.  It's called liberty.

For crying out loud, erik, what's wrong with you?  :shock:
 
This post is totally sensible and everyone will agree with you!  :applaud:
 
Now can you please fix up your other 250 posts...
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: BC on July 09, 2012, 08:37:04 AM
3rd world countries have higher birth rates, probably because of more clearly defined male and female roles.  Are you, like "elite" "feminists", critisizing women in the USA who willingly choose to stay home and be traditional mothers and wives??  Germany and Russia have declining birthrates.  These countries will not be able to pay for pensions and benefits of future retired generations, if they continue to have declining birthrates.  In the case of Russia it could become extremely dangerous as they have 1 Billion hungry Chinese people at their South East border.

This is not to suggest that a woman cannot be fulfilled and work at a career of her choice after raising the children to a certain age where they can go out on their own.  There is something very positive to say about traditional roles, and you should not discount those roles without acknowledging the benefits--both to the immediate family, and to society as a whole.

OMG...  Have you not heard of the 'pill'?
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: IAmZon on July 09, 2012, 09:49:34 AM
Well, there is no interest to discuss the changes that have occured in the last 20 years in gender in the USA. Or, even an interest to notice ongoing trends, and how they are affecting, will affect society.  The only comments given suggest that this is a one dimensional story - their side versus our side.  I see gender roles first as a human, second as a man.  There are many very popular books on the subject that are worthy reads. 

( There is continued interest with the most active posters to show that every breath I take and idea I generate exists only to get into some woman's pants that I do not deserve. It has become a past time ).

And, one point on the courageous one ... this assumption that if you live in Colombia, then magically any gringo can date any woman is 100% false.  I have noted numerous times that if you want to attract non-compromised women, educated, and from good families, most Americanos must up their game BIG TIME.
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Muzh on July 09, 2012, 09:55:55 AM
Who are these guys who feel "threatened" by women?? 


 :ROFL:




Do you have a mirror at home?
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Muzh on July 09, 2012, 10:01:49 AM
And, one point on the courageous one ... this assumption that if you live in Colombia, then magically any gringo can date any woman is 100% false.  I have noted numerous times that if you want to attract non-compromised women, educated, and from good families, most Americanos must up their game BIG TIME.

Let's say that I'm taking a wild guess here since I've never been to Latin America but, IF you are in the porn industry, regardless of what capacity you are in, you will NOT attract any of the ladies mentioned above.

Again, just a wild guess.

Puertorriqueño since 1954.
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: BC on July 09, 2012, 10:10:43 AM
Puertorriqueño since 1954.

Aguadilla 68-71
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Muzh on July 09, 2012, 10:19:12 AM
Aguadilla 68-71

Shit, I went to the base in Aguadilla in 70, 71, and 72 to play basketball and volleyball for my school. Great place. I believe one of the few golf courses at that time in PR was there.

BTW, my great grandfather owned most of that. And then the Americans came in (in Aguadilla) and did "land reform." Ever heard of a little town not far from there called Las Marias? My great grand mother Angelique Marie) and grand mother (Maria Angelica).
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: BC on July 09, 2012, 10:34:33 AM
Shit, I went to the base in Aguadilla in 70, 71, and 72 to play basketball and volleyball for my school. Great place. I believe one of the few golf courses at that time in PR was there.

Yeah, the golf course was right off the end of the runway.  To get to the base we had to cross the runway.. there was a stoplight when the B52's were landing.  When they took off school sort of stopped since they made so much noise.

Lots of good memories there, loved the seafood, mostly red snapper and turtle soup..  and the blowholes and phosphorescent bay.  Wonderful time swimming and observing all kinds of sea critters.  I used to spend a good amount of time climbing the huge mango tree across the street (my parents insisted we lived off base -  a practice I fully agree with).  We were in Panama before so Spanish was my third language.

Wonderful experience I will never forget.

Is indeed a small world....
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: BC on July 09, 2012, 10:43:09 AM
We were in Panama before so Spanish was my third language.

oops... 4th language... I did not count English in-between... LOL
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Muzh on July 09, 2012, 10:46:48 AM
Yeah, the golf course was right off the end of the runway.  To get to the base we had to cross the runway.. there was a stoplight when the B52's were landing.  When they took off school sort of stopped since they made so much noise.

Lots of good memories there, loved the seafood, mostly red snapper and turtle soup..  and the blowholes and phosphorescent bay.  Wonderful time swimming and observing all kinds of sea critters.  I used to spend a good amount of time climbing the huge mango tree across the street (my parents insisted we lived off base -  a practice I fully agree with).  We were in Panama before so Spanish was my third language.

Wonderful experience I will never forget.

Is indeed a small world....

Turtle soup.

<Psst. There's a little place I know where you can get turtle soup.>

Ah yes, the phosphorescent bay. I went to Cabo Rojo last week to disperse my mom's ashes in the Caribbean. That night I took the family to the phosphorescent bay. Kind of sad. Not as vibrant as it was in the early 70s. I remember you could see a streak of light after the path of a swimmer. Not anymore. Still, beautiful as ever.

Just to clarify, I used to travel to Aguadilla to play the gringos from the base school. That was my favorite trip.

And since you mentioned the runway, same exact set up in Roosevelt Roads. The thing is that there are no gates or warning signs that you are crossing the runway. Never seen a B-52 landing up close? Not my cup of tea. Nor it was for the MPs.  :P

The pics are from a few years ago.
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: alyosha on July 09, 2012, 01:34:48 PM
Who are these guys who feel "threatened" by women?? 


 :ROFL:


Whether a man is more traditional or more modern, either way both men admire and respect women, in their own individual ways.

Just as we should not and cannot try to prevent women from being in the workforce and being successful, of which there are huge numbers of successful career women or women who own their business,

We should not and cannot try to prevent women who wish to have a traditional family from doing so.  So called elite feminists have been trying to badmouth mothers and homemakers for decades now.  Just recently the Obama campaign tried to badmout Mrs. Romney because she was a stay at home Mom and not a career woman, and it totally backfired on them.

The great thing about the West and the USA is we can value a woman for whatever her choice may be.  Mothers who want to stay at home and let the man work, if that is their choice, should be just as highly valued and respected as women who want to go to University and pursue a career.  It's called liberty.

Gee fella, I feel threatened by men, let alone by women.  :-()
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: IAmZon on July 09, 2012, 03:17:13 PM
Quote
Let's say that I'm taking a wild guess here since I've never been to Latin America but, IF you are in the porn industry, regardless of what capacity you are in, you will NOT attract any of the ladies mentioned above.

Again, just a wild guess.

It is a homogeneous group here - like a church / support group.  First, you presume that my associations to the porn industry paint my life, as if one would spot me, or have diner with me ... and say "hey, you are in the porn industry".   Ludicrous!   What kind of skill set  must a person possess to negotiate with banks to accept high risk paper / processing?  Not what you are guessing - I GUESS

And, it may be very interesting to you narrow-minded fellas, that even "good girls" - when they see that I can win the approval of difficult parents and brothers quite often are TURNED ON - NOT OFF - by my professional associations. 

But, I imagine that is a world that none of you good people know anything about.   The idea of being "good in bed" is something you guys probably need to "psych your self up for"  LOL  I mean, based upon your comments and observations, it is a little world that you live in .  I find that many women want to be with a man that does not have to guess, and has some rather exceptional experiences. 
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: missAmeno on July 09, 2012, 07:47:12 PM
It is a homogeneous group here - like a church / support group.  First, you presume that my associations to the porn industry paint my life, as if one would spot me, or have diner with me ... and say "hey, you are in the porn industry".   Ludicrous!   What kind of skill set  must a person possess to negotiate with banks to accept high risk paper / processing?  Not what you are guessing - I GUESS

And, it may be very interesting to you narrow-minded fellas, that even "good girls" - when they see that I can win the approval of difficult parents and brothers quite often are TURNED ON - NOT OFF - by my professional associations. 

But, I imagine that is a world that none of you good people know anything about.   The idea of being "good in bed" is something you guys probably need to "psych your self up for"  LOL  I mean, based upon your comments and observations, it is a little world that you live in .  I find that many women want to be with a man that does not have to guess, and has some rather exceptional experiences. 

Haha, its getting more ridiculous every time
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Faux Pas on July 09, 2012, 07:50:14 PM
Haha, its getting more ridiculous every time
He is trying so hard to isn't he?  :ROFL:
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: alyosha on July 09, 2012, 08:21:22 PM
Haha, its getting more ridiculous every time

"Greater love hath no man but that he lay down his life for his friends"

"I can't make my wife understand the bond that I feel with these men."

 WWII vet attending his units reunion.
   
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: IAmZon on July 10, 2012, 06:48:35 AM
"Haha, its getting more ridiculous every time"

Thus, the definition of a homogeneous group.  (More like a church/ support group in this case).  The membership reaffirms its views and opinions on each other to create more concrete opinions and the comfort that comes from living with a flock (birds of a feather flock together)

There are several other discussion boards that are VERY active with LARGE memberships that I keep an eye on.  SOME of the members here, are also members on those boards.  (but they are smart enough to keep their mouths shut HAHAHA) 

One board is for guys that want to LIVE abroad, primarily.  (not overly concerned about women)
One board  is for guys that want to PLAY abroad, primarily. (definitely overly concerned about women)
One board is for guys that want to PICK UP women specifically WITHOUT paying (romance only, probably not marriage).
And, this board ...

All these boards have knowledgeable people and good, hard to find information.  I have always noticed that the topics overlap. I have always noticed that the most active members on each board are intolerant of others views when they deviate ever so slightly from the main themes and norms of the board.

IMO - I am a Libertarian . Many of you are not -  LOL
 
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: missAmeno on July 10, 2012, 08:28:33 AM
There are several other discussion boards that are VERY active with LARGE memberships that I keep an eye on.  SOME of the members here, are also members on those boards.  (but they are smart enough to keep their mouths shut HAHAHA) 

One board is for guys that want to LIVE abroad, primarily.  (not overly concerned about women)
One board  is for guys that want to PLAY abroad, primarily. (definitely overly concerned about women)
One board is for guys that want to PICK UP women specifically WITHOUT paying (romance only, probably not marriage).
And, this board ...


Curious ... why you keeping an eye on all those boards? What that says about you? And is your interest in them personal or job related?   ;)
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Jooky on July 10, 2012, 09:15:12 AM
This is mostly for Rivardco, but also I have comments on other things I read on related threads killing time today.

First, where I'm coming from (for those that don't know). First trip to Russia in 2001. Returned around 4 years later to visit Russian friends I met in San Francisco and have spent about 1/4 or more of my time in Russia since, mostly for business reasons.

Value: I don't normally think about social value, but I'll go with the concept. In Russia, dating cool, attractive, intelligent, educated women was like shooting fish in a barrel. Not because of the social value of men, but because my social value was higher than typical Russian men. What set me apart?

- The foreign factor. Foreigners are interesting and being a foreigner gets you an easy 'foot in the door' with a lot of women. This has worked in my favor over the years in Europe and Australia (mostly back in the days when the US was liked by the rest of the world) as well.

- Money. Foreigner = you've got money (even if you don't). There are always a good number of women anywhere that attracted to men with money (real or perceived). It's not always just about the money, but the fact that you are a man that can make money (ambitious, hard worker, what have you) that is attractive. It can be that a woman just wants a man with a good stable job (non loser) and a foreigner in Russia automatically checks that box, while many Russian men don't. Sometimes it is just about the money, but in all these years I managed to avoid those type of girls.

- Personal qualities. Many of my personal qualities were appreciated in Russia . Some because they made me stand out from the crowd and some that I found were more 'valued' in Russia than back where I live in the USA. Really this is very individual. Some foreigners do much better in Russia than others and despite my first two points above agencies these days need to entice and beg pretty women to actually actively seek foreign men through an agency.

Protection: The idea of a man as protection for a woman, in Russia, I find absurd. Women of all ages in Russia are accustomed to go around town unescorted by men, all the time. Men aren't needed for protection.
Definitely there are women who like to grab onto a man's arm or hand and it makes them feel 'safe' and comfortable. This has been the same for me in the US as in Russia, even with women who were only friends. Maybe I'm just very touchable.  ;D

Bringing home the Bacon: I partially agree that a man with a good stable job is more appreciated in Russia than most parts of the US. Stability is good in an unstable economy. However, you need to consider a few things. Women in Russia typically work (I haven't met a single full 'stay at home mom' in Russia. I know many in the US). Young women live with their families or with roomies (like just about everywhere else in the modern world) when not married. Women do not rely on men to bring home the bacon. That wasn't a commie tradition and it's not part of Russian culture now. Men do usually foot the bill on dates and often lavish their women with expensive gifts when dating, but that's something entirely different and gives a higher social value not to men but to men with money.

American women smart American men boobs: You kidding? That's been the standard comedy tv formula since the Honeymooners and often used device since before Shakespeare. If anything there are a lot more women 'boobs' (in both senses) on tv and in movies (did you see the movie Bridesmaids?) then 20 years ago.
This doesn't spill over too much into modern dramas or reality shows (where practically everyone is a 'boob'), though clever women manipulating clueless men has been a common theme in drama and reality since words were first carved in clay.

Obesity: Definitely bigger in the US than Russia. It's got a lot to do with Golden Corral's endless cotton candy and chocolate waterfall and nothing to do with PC feminazis. Matter of fact there are a lot less fat-assess in my ultra-knee-jerk-liberal hometown of San Francisco than you'll find in the traditional Bible Belt.

Gender Roles: This I agree with. Russia retains 'traditional' gender roles, more than the US. Women more typically do the cooking and cleaning. Men work on the house, the car and the bottle of vodka. That's about it. The saying that the woman is 'the neck that turns the head' often rings true.

Girl's Night Out: If this bugs you, avoid Russia. Girl's night out is more common in Russia than even the US. It's why the discos are so full of chicks (the men are having their men's night out at some bar somewhere else and show up late to the discos).

That's some of my observations and thought. Hope they help you get a better perspective on what's up with Russia (or the FSU). I've got more but I'm tired of writing.  :P
 
 
 
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: IAmZon on July 10, 2012, 09:31:54 AM
Ms A "Curious ... why you keeping an eye on all those boards? What that says about you? And is your interest in them personal or job related"

EXACTLY - thank you for demonstrating my point. I think you should be the High Preistest here on RWD

Jooky - Thanks for a very thoughtful, well reasoned post.  This is the kind of give and take that puts a sharper point on things

I do not have a problem with women's rights, or women acting liberally.  (Everyone here assumes so merely because of my accurate observations).  I am simply full appreciation of the stark changes and differences.
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: fathertime on July 10, 2012, 09:42:59 AM
I have had this discussion / debate many, many times.  I have never lost to an open minded man ... and am very accurate with my words.  Unlike you ... "it would appear that you experience is the value of your wallet"

So you are telling me that the social values of gender the same in the USA, Colombia, EE, Ukraine, or Russia?   Hmmm.  Give me something concrete without name calling and I will respond, so we can see where this goes.  Otherwise, your silence is appreciated.


It is not up to you to decide if you 'won or lost' a debate.  In my opinion you have rarely make good points and when you do, they are almost always the most obvious ones, like History 101! jaja     It also seems a little out of place when you make sweeping comments about Colombia or the Ukraine, simply because you seem to have always been on the outside looking in with the women.  It would be like if Stephan Hawking started talking about the finer points of base running.     


Fathertime! 
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: missAmeno on July 10, 2012, 10:24:38 AM
Ms A "Curious ... why you keeping an eye on all those boards? What that says about you? And is your interest in them personal or job related"

EXACTLY - thank you for demonstrating my point.

So what was the point of mentioning those boards unless you prepare to explain how they are relevant to you, this thread or this forum?
 
I think you should be the High Preistest here on RWD

Dear Mr. Riv

Thank you for nominating me for the position of RWD High Preistest. Though it is a very tempting offer, I already hold such position with MssA Household Co and therefore unable provide time and commitment position of RWD High Preistest requires. Nevertheless, I will do my best to contribute to RWD as much as my time and other commitments allow.

I would like to thank you again for the time you took to consider my candidacy.

Sincerely,

MissA
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Admin on July 10, 2012, 10:32:40 AM

It is not up to you to decide if you 'won or lost' a debate.  In my opinion you have rarely make good points and when you do, they are almost always the most obvious ones, like History 101! jaja     It also seems a little out of place when you make sweeping comments about Colombia or the Ukraine, simply because you seem to have always been on the outside looking in with the women.  It would be like if Stephan Hawking started talking about the finer points of base running.     


Fathertime!

FT,

You following rivardco across from one forum to another (and one that bears no relation to your geographical interests/experiences) - and then almost exclusively posting ONLY in response to rivardco - is, well, kind of creepy in an internet stalking kind of way.

- Dan
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: IAmZon on July 10, 2012, 10:44:40 AM
Quote
It is not up to you to decide if you 'won or lost' a debate.  In my opinion you have rarely make good points and when you do, they are almost always the most obvious ones, like History 101! jaja     It also seems a little out of place when you make sweeping comments about Colombia or the Ukraine, simply because you seem to have always been on the outside looking in with the women.  It would be like if Stephan Hawking started talking about the finer points of base running.

Actually, I have grown fond of FT in a weird kind of way.

But, again he assumes that I know women like History 101.  And, to some extent that is true.  I have not been interested in developing real, deep, relationships until recently.  But, the relationships I have had have been sufficiently deep for comparison and conversation - especially when we consider the group here. 
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: TheTraveler on July 10, 2012, 10:50:47 AM
FT,

You following rivardco across from one forum to another (and one that bears no relation to your geographical interests/experiences) - and then almost exclusively posting ONLY in response to rivardco - is, well, kind of creepy in an internet stalking kind of way.

- Dan

i noticed that, too.
 
it's like fathertime is rivardco's own personal paparazzi.
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Muzh on July 10, 2012, 10:59:52 AM
It is a homogeneous group here - like a church / support group.  First, you presume that my associations to the porn industry paint my life, as if one would spot me, or have diner with me ... and say "hey, you are in the porn industry".   Ludicrous!   What kind of skill set  must a person possess to negotiate with banks to accept high risk paper / processing?  Not what you are guessing - I GUESS

And, it may be very interesting to you narrow-minded fellas, that even "good girls" - when they see that I can win the approval of difficult parents and brothers quite often are TURNED ON - NOT OFF - by my professional associations. 

But, I imagine that is a world that none of you good people know anything about.   The idea of being "good in bed" is something you guys probably need to "psych your self up for"  LOL  I mean, based upon your comments and observations, it is a little world that you live in .  I find that many women want to be with a man that does not have to guess, and has some rather exceptional experiences.


You are so funny rivardco.  :rolleyes:

So, let me get this right. You go to some porno seminars and then to Colombia (or vise versa, it don't matter), shack up with a few latinas and that gives you all the answers to life and love? AND in Latin America?

I would waste my time trying to straighten your misconceptions but why bother.

Let's just say that in your small little world the so called "church/support group" is basically your ethos. The standard that is used to measure civilization. Then, of course, there are the exceptions. You claim to be that exception and I agree.

However, you are not exceptional.

Hope you can understand that.
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: IAmZon on July 10, 2012, 11:04:49 AM
Quote
So, let me get this right. You go to some porno seminars and then to Colombia (or vise versa, it don't matter), shack up with a few latinas and that gives you all the answers to life and love? AND in Latin America?

LOL - THANK YOU TOO for demonstrating my point!

So, let ME get this right!  You receive some fragments of my life, read posts, assumptions, and name calling from people who have never met me, nor know me ... and that, qualifies you to even begin to sum up my life ?!?!?  But, nevertheless you do with the above quote?

DO YOU UNDERSTAND?!? 
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Muzh on July 10, 2012, 11:11:01 AM
LOL - THANK YOU TOO for demonstrating my point!

So, let ME get this right!  You receive some fragments of my life, read posts, assumptions, and name calling from people who have never met me, nor know me ... and that, qualifies you to even begin to sum up my life ?!?!?  But, nevertheless you do with the above quote?

DO YOU UNDERSTAND?!?


I thought you were being funny. Now you are bordering into the idiotic.  :wallbash:

I didn't invent anything about you. There are about 100 pages full of your "accomplishments," videos included, provided by yourself.

And loving all this attention.

Now, do you understand?
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: missAmeno on July 10, 2012, 11:15:44 AM
Riv, not sure if you are aware but ... capitalizing full word or phrase is same as shouting online.
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: LiveFromUkraine on July 10, 2012, 11:42:46 AM
LOL - THANK YOU TOO for demonstrating my point!

So, let ME get this right!  You receive some fragments of my life, read posts, assumptions, and name calling from people who have never met me, nor know me ... and that, qualifies you to even begin to sum up my life ?!?!?  But, nevertheless you do with the above quote?

DO YOU UNDERSTAND?!?

Yet, you seem to be doing the very same thing.

Shall we go through all the posts were you make assumptions about the members here?  It could take some time. 

Do you understand?
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: IAmZon on July 10, 2012, 11:49:10 AM
Attention?  A Mild diversion. 

The truth is I am curious to see if one, or all of you is going to say "Ah, I was just kidding."  Or, maybe you guys are some strange version of the "Pro-Marriage Jerry Falwell Society."

Mush; Ms. A; G; LivefromUkraine

That's about it.
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: LiveFromUkraine on July 10, 2012, 11:53:04 AM
Attention?  A Mild diversion. 

The truth is I am curious to see if one, or all of you is going to say "Ah, I was just kidding."  Or, maybe you guys are some strange version of the "Pro-Marriage Jerry Falwell Society."

Mush; Ms. A; G; LivefromUkraine

That's about it.

Maybe we can get Gator or Bo to translate for you.  The delusions are getting so strong it is hard to follow.

Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: fathertime on July 10, 2012, 11:53:45 AM
FT,

You following rivardco across from one forum to another (and one that bears no relation to your geographical interests/experiences) - and then almost exclusively posting ONLY in response to rivardco - is, well, kind of creepy in an internet stalking kind of way.

- Dan
1.  I communicated with Rivardco off the forum and he mentioned this site and that he was having trouble with with some people.  I was curious and decided to take a look, and now I'm interested in participating.  These boards are populated by individuals, some of which have stories that interest me, regardless of what the country they are searching in. 


2.  You may find it creepy, but that is not relevant to me.  I could say I find certain things about you creepy too, and I would assume it is not relevant to you either.


Fathertime! 
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: fathertime on July 10, 2012, 11:58:16 AM
Actually, I have grown fond of FT in a weird kind of way.

But, again he assumes that I know women like History 101.  And, to some extent that is true.  I have not been interested in developing real, deep, relationships until recently.  But, the relationships I have had have been sufficiently deep for comparison and conversation - especially when we consider the group here.


Well Rivardo,  Something has always told me that you weren't being truthful about your interest or lack of interest in the ladies.  Based on what I've read of yours, it seems to me that you HAVE BEEN interested in having a relation/marriage with a lady but haven't been able to muster the necessary characteristics within yourself to pull it off.  Since you realize this, you go on an 'anti marriage' rampage, in order to make yourself feel like you are doing what you want.     In my opinion, you should be working on the aspects of yourself that have been holding you back in regards to women and what it takes to commit and be happily married with one. 


Fathertime! 
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: fathertime on July 10, 2012, 12:05:07 PM

i noticed that, too.
 
it's like fathertime is rivardco's own personal paparazzi.


All his posting has turned me into a Rivardco fan!  I find his story to be an interesting novel, the main problem with it though that he can't put a wrap on chapter 1 and move on to chapter 2, that is the part I'd be even more interested in hearing about! 


 


Fathertime! 
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: BC on July 10, 2012, 12:06:20 PM

Well Rivardo,  Something has always told me that you weren't being truthful about your interest or lack of interest in the ladies.  Based on what I've read of yours, it seems to me that you HAVE BEEN interested in having a relation/marriage with a lady but haven't been able to muster the necessary characteristics within yourself to pull it off.  Since you realize this, you go on an 'anti marriage' rampage, in order to make yourself feel like you are doing what you want.     In my opinion, you should be working on the aspects of yourself that have been holding you back in regards to women and what it takes to commit and be happily married with one. 


Fathertime!

Sounds like pretty solid critique. (I hate the term advice).  In a way it seems you care and that's good.  Maybe a bit of BTDT (been there done that) kinda thing?  Not suggesting the same road, but instead general moral compass direction.
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: fathertime on July 10, 2012, 12:14:41 PM
Sounds like pretty solid critique. (I hate the term advice).  In a way it seems you care and that's good.  Maybe a bit of BTDT (been there done that) kinda thing?  Not suggesting the same road, but instead general moral compass direction.


Correct sir!  I relate to Rivardco (sometimes).  I have overcome my own shortcomings, in part because I've been honest with myself and others.  It just seems to me that that is not the case with Rivardo, and he is only hurting himself by refusing to confront/overcome his own shortcomings.  I also enjoy giving him a VERY hard time, because I think he needs it! 


Fathertime!
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: BC on July 10, 2012, 12:50:12 PM

Correct sir!  I relate to Rivardco (sometimes).  I have overcome my own shortcomings, in part because I've been honest with myself and others.  It just seems to me that that is not the case with Rivardo, and he is only hurting himself by refusing to confront/overcome his own shortcomings.  I also enjoy giving him a VERY hard time, because I think he needs it! 


Fathertime!

Fair game for the 'clue bat' IMHO....

But don't expect miracles.. some learn only by the rules of 'hard knocks'.  Even the best teachers need to know when to let go.
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: TheTraveler on July 10, 2012, 02:18:38 PM

All his posting has turned me into a Rivardco fan!  I find his story to be an interesting novel, the main problem with it though that he can't put a wrap on chapter 1 and move on to chapter 2, that is the part I'd be even more interested in hearing about! 

Fathertime!

since he has invited you, then i guess that means you're not a stalker.  that's cool.  my bad!
 
i enjoy his posts, too, which i find entertaining and interesting --- never boring.
 
i am in full agreement with the idea that what he (or anyone) posts is fair game for vigorous debate.
 
i have noticed a handful of posters on this forum hurl insults and call rivardco names repetitively (pimp, pornographer,...).  they seem more interested in shouting him down or running him off this website than in debating him.  that i don't agree with.
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: missAmeno on July 10, 2012, 02:30:04 PM
i have noticed a handful of posters on this forum hurl insults and call rivardco names repetitively (pimp, pornographer,...).  they seem more interested in shouting him down or running him off this website than in debating him.  that i don't agree with.

I would love to answer to that but it seems that we all turning this thread into resumption of closed thread.
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Faux Pas on July 10, 2012, 02:37:17 PM

since he has invited you, then i guess that means you're not a stalker.  that's cool.  my bad!
 
i enjoy his posts, too, which i find entertaining and interesting --- never boring.
 
i am in full agreement with the idea that what he (or anyone) posts is fair game for vigorous debate.
 
i have noticed a handful of posters on this forum hurl insults and call rivardco names repetitively (pimp, pornographer,...).  they seem more interested in shouting him down or running him off this website than in debating him.  that i don't agree with.

I haven't seen rivardco interested in debating anything with anyone. I have numerous times asked him pointed questions to which he only deflects, avoids and ignores. Then he repeats, rinse and repeats.

Rather than discuss/debate the topic at hand he continuously reverts back to his collective opinion of the forum members and has turned even this thread into "all about riv". He's boring. At least there was a little spice to him when the discussion was in his thread and about porn and pimping. He's about as entertaining and interesting as boiled okra ever since.

 I did refer to him and Jonny Zon Zon as a pimp and he/them are or were in fact pimp(s). They are one and the same are they not?
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: kmin on July 10, 2012, 03:37:25 PM
OK,

Hello everyone, how is it going? 

I can see that all of you have become quite lost and need directions back to the OP.

If you look  ;) over that direction you can see the trail is through the bush, over the hill, and past the river.

Ok back to why you don't just date an American Woman....

Well my answer (new and improved....a little on the sarcastic side) is......

I found my soul mate in Siberia and we are engaged to get married this fall, and as such I am not dating any American Women or any other woman because I found the one who I want to spend my entire life with.

Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Gator on July 11, 2012, 08:02:17 AM


Well my answer (new and improved....a little on the sarcastic side) is......

I found my soul mate in Siberia and we are engaged to get married this fall, and as such I am not dating any American Women or any other woman because I found the one who I want to spend my entire life with.

Congratulations! 
 
Presuming you met your wife on the Internet, what compelled you to go to those webpages when it would be far easier to meet someone from your hometown.  You had to obtain a Russian tourist visa, you had to buy an expensive air ticket, you had to rent an apartment, you had to use your vacation time, etc.  That is a $3,000 blind date vs. $50 with a local woman. 
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Muzh on July 11, 2012, 08:07:32 AM
Okay, let's follow the OP.

Why don't I date an American woman?

Because I'm married at the moment.  ;)
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Turboguy on July 11, 2012, 08:08:00 AM

That is a $3,000 blind date vs. $50 with a local woman.
There is an old saying "You get what you pay for." 
 
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Faux Pas on July 11, 2012, 08:10:38 AM
Okay, let's follow the OP.

Why don't I date an American woman?

Because I'm married at the moment.  ;)

I dated many, many AW and loved them all. I even married one that turned out to be Satan's spawn. I loved her too, for a while  :D
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: ML on July 11, 2012, 10:09:15 AM
FT,

You following rivardco across from one forum to another (and one that bears no relation to your geographical interests/experiences) - and then almost exclusively posting ONLY in response to rivardco - is, well, kind of creepy in an internet stalking kind of way.

- Dan

- - - -

Dan, that same thing happens right here within this forum.

Watch and you will see the 'Saints' following some others from thread to thread and attacking.
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: LiveFromUkraine on July 11, 2012, 10:15:06 AM
- - - -

Dan, that same thing happens right here within this forum.

Watch and you will see the 'Saints' following some others from thread to thread and attacking.

You must have been a hall monitor back in your school days.

Now, certain members can't post in the same threads as Riv otherwise they will be called stalkers? 


Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: ML on July 11, 2012, 10:15:24 AM
There is an old saying "You get what you pay for."

And, you yourself have given ample proof before that this is not true.

Remember your examples of getting identical TV dinners at Walmart at significantly lower price than at Giant Eagle, Kroger or where ever.

I have NEVER believed in this old saying.
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Ade on July 11, 2012, 10:18:41 AM
Now, certain members can't post in the same threads as Riv otherwise they will be called stalkers?


Some of these people see what they want to see regardless of reality. ;)
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Gator on July 11, 2012, 11:23:27 AM

Some of these people see what they want to see regardless of reality. ;)

Stalkers and reality are mutually exclusive.
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: Muzh on July 11, 2012, 12:48:44 PM

Some of these people see what they want to see regardless of reality. ;)

Tut, tut, tut.

Irregardless  ;D
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: kmin on July 11, 2012, 06:59:46 PM

Congratulations! 
 
Presuming you met your wife on the Internet, what compelled you to go to those webpages when it would be far easier to meet someone from your hometown.  You had to obtain a Russian tourist visa, you had to buy an expensive air ticket, you had to rent an apartment, you had to use your vacation time, etc.  That is a $3,000 blind date vs. $50 with a local woman.

Thank you,

It is just something I thought about, went to this website and saw the do's and don'ts.  Read about which websites are better than others.  Gave freepersonals.ru a shot, met her in 2-3 days, started video skype a couple days after that and we hit it off big time.

I tried finding a woman around where I live and in areas around, dated a few, was engaged about 8 years ago, but she decided she didn't want to be married and left.  Looked around, met many women, tried online dating, but really only ended up making a few friends and a few dates, yet nothing went anywhere really and started to wonder if I could find someone. 

Than gave the international online dating and found her right away.  We have a great connection and are comfortable and open with each other.  Things worked out well for us.  I hope others find the same luck we had in finding each other.
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: IAmZon on July 11, 2012, 07:07:56 PM
Good for you! Best of luck...
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: pemdas1983 on July 12, 2012, 06:34:14 AM

 
I am from Siberia. The reason there are many Hondas, Hyundais and Totyotas there is they are imported from Japan. Cheaper then cars imported from Europe.
Again I am from Siberia and find there are exactly as many status conscious people as there are in Saint Petersburg where I lived for 13 years.
Mark Zuckenberg is so rich it does not matter what he drives. Is that your only example of someone who choose a cheaper car over expensive one?

I'm not surprised that he would be like that.  I think that Bill Gates was like that too.  It seems that many of these nerdy guys who start their own IT businesses seem not to buy into flashy things.  Many times, they're doing what they do NOT for the money but just to be able to do it.

I think that it depends on the person, and what they value to be important.  For someone like Mark Zuckerberg, the value of his work is probably more important than how much money that he makes or whether or not he has nice stuff.
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: CDW on July 12, 2012, 07:23:58 AM
I don't date an American woman, because Ukrainian women are much nearer  :D
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: alyosha on August 23, 2012, 09:26:09 AM
I have never heard this question from a RW but I have heard it from many AW.
My answer is always "I did, in fact I even married one."
Exactly what happened to me.  We got married, she had a couple of miscarriages, and felt guilty about it I guess as she knew I wanted a family.
But I guess the biggest thing was I wasn't a perfect husband and after we were married K. lost 9 kilos and found another man and left.
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: alyosha on August 23, 2012, 11:30:27 AM
I'm not surprised that he would be like that.  I think that Bill Gates was like that too.  It seems that many of these nerdy guys who start their own IT businesses seem not to buy into flashy things.  Many times, they're doing what they do NOT for the money but just to be able to do it.

I think that it depends on the person, and what they value to be important.  For someone like Mark Zuckerberg, the value of his work is probably more important than how much money that he makes or whether or not he has nice stuff.

Bill Gates got married and built himself a $50,000,000 house. 
Then he does publicity campaigns about there are too many people in the world straining the ecology of the earth.  How do you spell hypocrit in Russian?
 :arguing:
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: tfcrew on August 23, 2012, 01:00:37 PM
   How do you spell hypocrite in Russian?
 
человек [everybody] but literally лицемер.
Title: Re: "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Post by: alyosha on August 26, 2012, 06:39:34 PM
человек [everybody] but literally лицемер.

So if I copy and past either word all people in FSU will understand?
Thanks. (Prazem?)