More Bad News for Russia

[AkMike]

Use your translator.. US severs contract with Russian Volga-Dnieper and gives to Ukrainian Antonov Airlines.. Russian airline will be hurting.
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[JayH]

We seem to have developed  a new group of  Russian apologists. What they all have in common is that they refuse to acknowledge the ills of Russia-- and want to point the finger at Ukraine -- and not face the fact that the bad news for Russia is entirely self inflicted.
Sure-Ukraine is the key to the fall in the Russian economy - as a result of the sanctions on Russia because of it's invasion of Ukraine .
The incompetent economic management long before the sanctions was the start of the decline -- and the massive miscalculation over Crimea has cut deep into the economy. It is possible that much worse is to come-with predictions of a falling oil price coming from different directions.
Russia's invasion and interference in Ukraine has been an arrogant mistake-of massive proportions.
Now-Putins last roll of the dice is to seduce Trump into giving him what he wants--ie  lift sanctions and accept Russian occupation of Crimea -- and of course -- leave Putin to continue meddling in Ukraine until Russia controls it again.


"And Putin great ": the first time since tsarist times were Russians earn less than Chinese

According to experts, the Higher School of Economics, the average salary in Russia in 2011 decreased by almost 30%. Salaries of Russian citizens for the first time since czarist times in dollar terms were below Chinese. As the newspaper writes "Prime" This is against a background on largest since 1998 crisis, the collapse of the ruble, and reduced real incomes over the past two years.

Источник: http://www.amn.com.ua/svit/
y-putyn-velykyj-nam-put-ozaryl-upershe-z-
tsarskyh-chasiv-rosiyany-staly-zaroblyaty-menshe-kytajtsiv/

[JayH]

Polish journalist attacked after telling the Russians how it is !!!

Needless to say--it was stopped from going to air in Russia.

Not a great translation-- but you can get the gist of it.

"Ukrainians want to live like normal people, not the shit, like you."

Recording the program "The right to vote" on the Russian propaganda channel "TV Center" on the situation in Ukraine, ended the fight participants. As a result, the transfer took off from the air and it was published only on the YouTube TV channel Center. Invited on the transfer Polish journalist Tomasz Matseychuk first noted that Russia is helping the President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko to kill Russian Donbas, because at the Lipetsk plant earned money goes to buy weapons and ammunition for the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Then we are talking about the average salary in Russia, which is significantly lower than the European. After the words Matseychuka "Ukrainians - they, too, want to live like normal people, not the shit you", a leading Roman Babayan asked the Poles to leave the studio with the phrase "I went away in FIG." Matseychuk continued to skirmish, but it attacked with fists hiding in the Russian ex-People's Deputy from the Party of Regions Igor Markov.

[msmob]

Polish journalist attacked after telling the Russians how it is !!!

Needless to say--it was stopped from going to air in Russia.

Not a great translation-- but you can get the gist of it.

It wouldn't be the first time JayH has got translations wrong, would it ...? !

1/ It's TV Tsentr

2/ They DID post the programme and brawl on their website ...   

It is a sort of state owned channel - forth largest following - IMHO mainly renowned for it's light entertainment - rather than 'propaganda'

As with most Russian TV channels that are state controlled - the truth is there - it is more about emphasis or lack of emphasis - depending about the agenda ....

The Russians and Ukrainians love to show each other are more 'crazy' with fights in parliament or in debates..

This 'translation' is 'interesting '..

"the Russian ex-People's Deputy from the Party of Regions Igor Markov."

Igor Markov is Ukrainian - from Odessa ... and has managed to be a political prisoner in Ukraine and been in and out with Yanu and Poro..  a former member of the Party of Regions - that disavowed Yanu ...
 

[papakota]

Where is a wikipedia link from me?

OCS - eye - oko
Russian  - eye - glaz
Ukrainian - eye - oko

OCS - place - mesto
Russian place - mesto
Ukrainian place - misto

OCS - to carry - nesti
Russian to carry - nesti
Ukrainian to carry - nesti

Funny, we argued so much about the Ukrainian language that you tried to promote, but you don't even know it yourself. 

"Place" in Russian is "Mesto", that's correct, but in Ukrainian it's MISTSE and not misto. Misto means "town" in Ukrainian. Like misto Kyiv is a city of Kiev. Mistse is a place. Мiсце is a place in Ukrainian, not мicто. And you tried to prove me where people in Ukraine speak Ukrainian and where they speak Russian.

[JayH]

More information from the actual records becomes available all the time. So much of it contradicts the "history" that todays Soviet Russia attempts to promote as the "history" of that time.

Ukraine releases KGB documents pertaining to famine in 1932-1933 known as Holodomor

On Saturday, November 26, Soviet KGB document on repressions during the famine of 1932-1933, known as Holodomor, were made public in Ukraine, and released in an electronic archive. Mainly, these are demonstrative documents: indictments, pictures and protocols that previously were unavailable to the public. According to the Director of the State Archive of the Security Service of Ukraine Andriy Kohut, search and systematization of the documents that shed light on this tragic page of Ukrainian history are currently in progress.

Meanwhile, the President of Ukraine, Petro Poroshenko, has instructed the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the country to continue to work towards recognition by the international community of the fact that Holodomor resulted in the genocide of the Ukrainian people. He said this at a mourning ceremony dedicated to the Day of Memory of Holodomor victims.

Since 1998, the Holodomor Remembrance Day is celebrated annually on the fourth Saturday of November. In 2006, the Verkhovna Rada officially recognized the Holodomor of 1932-1933 as genocide against the Ukrainian people.
http://www.uawire.org/news/ukraine-releases-kgb-documents-pertaining-to-famine-in-1932-1933-known-as-holodomor

[JayH]

The connection between the hidden history and today's occupation of parts of Ukraine is being made relevent every day by Russia. The contempt of Ukrainians is actively being promoted.Even on this forum we have a few that attempt to perpetrate the myths the Kremlin seeks to promote so cynically.

Russia hid details about the mass starvation on an unimaginable scale by Stalin in the 1930s and afterward until archives were opened following Ukraine's independence in 1991.

Ukraine is a nation interrupted, its identity and promise stolen by invaders and predators for centuries.

Ukraine’s principle oppressor has been, and remains, Russia where leaders like Vladimir Putin propagate the fiction that Ukraine is “little Russia”



New Film Exposes Russia’s Mass Murder of Ukrainians, Aggression that Continues Today

Finally, a film will be released in the new year that portrays Stalin’s monstrous policies and how they brought about The Great Famine of 1933, known in Ukrainian as the Holodomor (death by starvation).
“Like all Ukrainians, my family suffered enormously over the years,” he said. “There isn’t a Ukrainian alive who doesn’t know about the persecution, executions and starvation. Given the importance of what happened, and that few outside Ukraine knew about it because it had been covered up, the story of this genocide needed to be told. It’s relevant today.”

The scale of The Great Famine remained hidden by the Soviets, but in 1991 Ukraine declared independence and opened up the Soviet archives to the world. These revelations led to a 2003 United Nations Joint Statement, signed by Russia, that declared the Holodomor had taken 7 to 10 million innocent lives. Then on October 23, 2008, the European Parliament adopted a resolution recognizing the Holodomor as a crime against humanity.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/diane-m-francis/film-russia-ukraine_b_8288514.html

[JayH]

The world wakes up !


International Criminal Court: Russia's Invasion Of Ukraine Is A 'Crime,' Not A Civil War[/size

The ICC report is particularly embarrassing for the Kremlin as it tries to peddle its parallel-reality version of the Ukraine conflict to the incoming Donald Trump administration.

http://www.forbes.com/sites
/paulroderickgregory/2016/11/20/
international-criminal-court-russias-invasion
-of-ukraine-is-a-crime-not-a-civil-war/#2d43b1777fec

[BC]

The world wakes up !

As the US did in the past, Russia recently withdrew it's signature from the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court.

Why did the US withdraw before the 2003 Iraq invasion? 

Former U.S. President Bill Clinton signed the Rome treaty on Dec. 31, 2000, but President George W. Bush renounced the signature, citing fears that Americans would be unfairly prosecuted for political reasons.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/03/02/AR2011030200163.html

Why did RU withdraw?

The Russian foreign ministry made the announcement on Wednesday on the orders of the president, Vladimir Putin, saying the tribunal had failed to live up to hopes of the international community and denouncing its work as “one-sided and inefficient”.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/nov/16/russia-withdraws-signature-from-international-criminal-court-statute

In different words, same same.

In any case the ICC has no 'teeth'.. in the matter.  They can only gum on the subject in hopes that one party or other will soften up.

Neither Russia or the US ratified the Treaty.  Ukraine never was a signatory/party to the ICC but simply lodged their complaints and accepting ICC jurisdiction.  http://www.icc-cpi.int/ukraine

Back to sleep world.

p.s. I'm not taking sides on this argument, just pointing out to Jay how useless his 'wake up call' is.  Instead of crying wolf echoing headlines, he should instead try to understand what is really happening and THEN post some thoughts that might be significant enough to initiate good discourse on the topic.

[Boethius]

Funny, we argued so much about the Ukrainian language that you tried to promote, but you don't even know it yourself. 

"Place" in Russian is "Mesto", that's correct, but in Ukrainian it's MISTSE and not misto. Misto means "town" in Ukrainian. Like misto Kyiv is a city of Kiev. Mistse is a place. Мiсце is a place in Ukrainian, not мicто. And you tried to prove me where people in Ukraine speak Ukrainian and where they speak Russian.

Micto is also a word for place in Ukrainian, although not common.  But that was never my point.

http://slovnenya.com/dictionary/%D0%BC%D1%96%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BE

This link is cut up, so as to not change the reading pane -

http://www.lingvozone.com/main.jsp?
action=translation&do=dictionary&language
_id_from=23&language_id_to=41&word
=%D0%BC%D1%96%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BE&t.x=46&t.y=10

[JayH]

The extension of the sanctions and the potential to widen them under Trump comes at a time when Putin and Russia are attempting to ingratiate themselves to Trump--will come as a big blow to Putin.
    The pressure of the sanctions is increasing daily -- and a little fine tuning is likely to push Russia to the brink.

Diplomats Say EU Set To Extend Sanctions Against Russia

BRUSSELS -- European Union diplomats say EU leaders are highly likely to prolong economic sanctions on Russia through July 31, 2017, when they meet in Brussels for a summit next week.

Several EU diplomats close to talks on the sanctions have told RFE/RL that EU leaders might give a green light for the six-month extension of the sanctions without a discussion when they meet on December 15.

http://www.rferl.org/a/eu-sanctions-russia-ukraine-prolonged/28159482.html

[JayH]

"To learn that rotten egg, did not have to eat it": Japanese politician wittily ridiculed Putin

Источник: http://www.amn.com.ua/blogy/shhob-diznatysya-shho-yajtse-tuhle-ne-obov-yazkovo-bulo-jogo-yisty-yaponskyj-polityk-dotepno-vysmiyav-putina/

[AkMike]

Here's an interesting article about the 'good times' in Russia now.


Production of alcohol is up 45%.    Of courxe they're switching to cheaper vodka substitutes, like the kind that killed 72 in [/size]Irkutsk[/color][/size] recently.[/color]

[/size] For more of the conditions that they are going thru ,   [/color][/size]http://euromaidanpress.com/2016/12/24/how-bad-are-things-in-russia-children-ask-father-frost-to-send-them-to-the-dentist/[/color]

[BC]

Here's an interesting article about the 'good times' in Russia now.

Jingle your schadensfreude bells loudly.. fits right in to the holiday spirit.

Sick.

[AkMike]

Sick? Of the Russian invasion? You bettcha!


 The conditions for the Russian are brought on by the Huliomeister and his dreams of imperial glory. They're hurting because of him.

[AkMike]

The Kerch Straight bridge,, Put off again because no one wants to fall under sanctions and the estimated cost is way too low.


  Putin's legacy is a bust! 
No companies willing to build railway on Putin's bridge to Crimea
http://uatoday.tv/business/no-companies-willing-to-build-railway-on-putin-s-bridge-to-crimea-854003.html

To bridge the Kerch not come
http://www.kommersant.ru/doc/3181680

[fathertime]

The Kerch Straight bridge,, Put off again because no one wants to fall under sanctions and the estimated cost is way too low.


  Putin's legacy is a bust! 
No companies willing to build railway on Putin's bridge to Crimea
http://uatoday.tv/business/no-companies-willing-to-build-railway-on-putin-s-bridge-to-crimea-854003.html

To bridge the Kerch not come
http://www.kommersant.ru/doc/3181680

yeah but with trump coming in the ruble is at 18 month highs. 


Fathertime! 

[papakota]

yeah but with trump coming in the ruble is at 18 month highs. 


Fathertime!

It's not because of Trump. Oil prices went up after at OPEC they made a decision in Vienna to cut down the volumes of oil extraction. Trump is not a President yet.

[Gator]

It's not because of Trump. Oil prices went up after at OPEC they made a decision in Vienna to cut down the volumes of oil extraction. Trump is not a President yet.

Absolutely correct. 

Russia's economy is based largely on commodities, a single commodity at that:  oil and gas.   The ruble fluctuates with the price of oil.   Oil was in an upward trend before Trump won the election.  This is shown in the movement of the energy companies in the S&P 500 Index:   

                            Feb 11 – November 7: +25.7%
                            November 8 – present: +9.8%

Banks are also a significant part of the Russian economy.  The S&P 500 Financial companies have moved upward also:
                           Feb 11 – November 7: +25.1%
                           November 8 – present: +17.3%

[fathertime]

It's not because of Trump. Oil prices went up after at OPEC they made a decision in Vienna to cut down the volumes of oil extraction. Trump is not a President yet.

That is true, but still I get the feeling the ruble would not have rallied quite so much,  if it were hillary that was president elect.  Hopefully Trump/Putin can get on the same page and get the 2 countries off a unnecessary collision course.


Fathertime!   

[papakota]

That is true, but still I get the feeling the ruble would not have rallied quite so much,  if it were hillary that was president elect.  Hopefully Trump/Putin can get on the same page and get the 2 countries off a unnecessary collision course.


Fathertime!

RUR was traded at about 66 for 1 USD and now it's about 60 for 1 USD. 10% difference. I don't think it's so crucial, considering that only couple years ago it was about 32 RUR for a dollar. But on the other hand, it's quite good for Russia, since some predicted awhile ago that ruble would plummet to like 80, if not 100 for a buck. An oil was under $30 a barrel not too long ago. Now it's twice as much.

[msmob]

The rail bridge will be severely delayed - but the road bridge construction continues apace

The bridge that carries the materials all the way out to the channel to the Azov Sea has been completed from either end - the piers for the road bridge, proper are being sunk.

[fathertime]

RUR was traded at about 66 for 1 USD and now it's about 60 for 1 USD. 10% difference. I don't think it's so crucial, considering that only couple years ago it was about 32 RUR for a dollar. But on the other hand, it's quite good for Russia, since some predicted awhile ago that ruble would plummet to like 80, if not 100 for a buck. An oil was under $30 a barrel not too long ago. Now it's twice as much.

yeah 10% improvement (quite a bit in short order)...if you look at some of the other commodity based economies, their value vs the dollar hasn't changed very much such the election of Trump.  I'd say Trump has improved Russia's currency singularly. 


Fathertime! 

[AkMike]

Russia finally confesses that they have control of Donbas with their military.   


Just as we've known all along, Russia is behind the invasion! 


ZIK.UA quoting the pro Russia site, Ukrayina.ru shows this article.


http://zik.ua/en/news/2017/01/03/russia_lets_cat_out_of_bag_1019909

[AkMike]

Devastating sanctions" for Russia demanded Intelligence Director elected Trump.

Use your translator for this one: http://ukrainian.voanews.com/a/den-kouts-rosiya-sankzii/3665925.html