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RWD News From the Front => Ukrainian Front Discussion => Topic started by: 2tallbill on August 08, 2022, 09:37:17 AM
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The Daily Star isn't known for it's super accurate, unbiased reporting of the News.
Putin 'has given order for Russia to deploy nukes in Ukraine' claims Kremlin insider
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/world-news/putin-has-given-order-russia-27686367
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I doubt this story.
A nuclear strike is the one thing that does trigger required action by USA under the Budapest Memorandum.
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ya’ll need to pay attention to Putin’s far-eastern war game at the end of this month
cuz it’ll tell ya the size of Russia’s future deployment in Ukraine
just like the past “vostok drill” told ya the size of the initial Ukraine deployment
at the same time, Putin is preparing a further strategy of destabilizing Ukraine even more
by shutting down power plants in Zaporizhzhya and to the west
combined with termination of all gas through Ukraine and seizure of Ukrainian coal fields
and attacking Ukrainian transportation and agricultural infrastructure
Russia will be like a giant python squeezing the life out of Ukraine leading to Holodomor 2.0
then, they will target Zelensky and those around him for liquidation with a raketa
to be replaced by pro-Russian politicians
leading the Ukrainian government to surrender…
then Russians who worked with Trump/Manafort in 2016, will work to boost the Republican pro-Russia caucus in 2024…
while working with Iran to create a crisis in the middle-east to inflate oil prices
there are many ways for Russia to use nukes in Ukraine
most likely would be for Russia to detonate a very precise high altitude nuclear burst used as an EMP weapon
that destroys all the western hi-tech weaponry and communications, drones, etc
leaving no radiation, or even a broken window on the ground, nor affecting surrounding territory
while brokering a deal with China and Iran, to "stir things up"
Iran could announce it's first nuclear test during this time and china do something similar
making it VERY unlikely USA will escalate militarily in Ukraine
cuz it won't be able to convince Germany and others to go "all in"
and the American military is a shadow of its former self
only able to play defense in Europe and not offense
while Russia is undermining the Biden administration at home
to reduce support for more involvment in Ukraine
Trump supporters are all in favor of Russia succeeding in Ukraine
look at how much CPAC is embracing fascism
Russians will help direct American fascism
just like Germany did before Pearl Harbor
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The Daily Star isn't known for it's super accurate, unbiased reporting of the News.
Putin 'has given order for Russia to deploy nukes in Ukraine' claims Kremlin insider
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/world-news/putin-has-given-order-russia-27686367
LOL. The west have no Kremlin insiders, the level of intelligence is deplorable.
Have a look at the number of legit leaks since February from the west. Zero, zip, nada. On the other hand Russia have Ukrainian moles in every oblast. Some suspected double agents have been arrested or executed.
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There are always moles in foreign governments. The fact you think there are not suggests the Kremlin moles are successful.
There are Ukrainian spies within the Russian intelligence service as well. The fact Russian spies are caught on Ukrainian soil suggests this is the case.
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ya’ll need to pay attention to Putin’s far-eastern war game at the end of this month
cuz it’ll tell ya the size of Russia’s future deployment in Ukraine
just like the past “vostok drill” told ya the size of the initial Ukraine deployment
at the same time, Putin is preparing a further strategy of destabilizing Ukraine even more
by shutting down power plants in Zaporizhzhya and to the west
combined with termination of all gas through Ukraine and seizure of Ukrainian coal fields
and attacking Ukrainian transportation and agricultural infrastructure
Russia will be like a giant python squeezing the life out of Ukraine leading to Holodomor 2.0
then, they will target Zelensky and those around him for liquidation with a raketa
to be replaced by pro-Russian politicians
leading the Ukrainian government to surrender…
then Russians who worked with Trump/Manafort in 2016, will work to boost the Republican pro-Russia caucus in 2024…
while working with Iran to create a crisis in the middle-east to inflate oil prices
there are many ways for Russia to use nukes in Ukraine
most likely would be for Russia to detonate a very precise high altitude nuclear burst used as an EMP weapon
that destroys all the western hi-tech weaponry and communications, drones, etc
leaving no radiation, or even a broken window on the ground, nor affecting surrounding territory
while brokering a deal with China and Iran, to "stir things up"
Iran could announce it's first nuclear test during this time and china do something similar
making it VERY unlikely USA will escalate militarily in Ukraine
cuz it won't be able to convince Germany and others to go "all in"
and the American military is a shadow of its former self
only able to play defense in Europe and not offense
while Russia is undermining the Biden administration at home
to reduce support for more involvment in Ukraine
Trump supporters are all in favor of Russia succeeding in Ukraine
look at how much CPAC is embracing fascism
Russians will help direct American fascism
just like Germany did before Pearl Harbor
Interestingly the US will have their Presidential & Government Elections roughly the same time as we in the UK have our General Election in late 2024. That's assuming of course our General Election isn't called much earlier, perhaps it should but I doubt that will be the case. Trump I hear has made noises about running again but has yet not officially declared he is in as I understand it. To date he has last been spotted flushing notes down his toilet :ROFL:
The heads up about Russia' far east war games is good info Krim. I wouldn't mind betting though that they call it off as it's really a waste of money and ties up armaments they need in Ukraine if indeed they have anything much in the. way if armaments to put to the test which aren't just pitiful & embarrassing. Possibly they might turn it into a big training exercise for new recruits before bussing them to the front in Ukraine. At this juncture it looks like China's eyes are firmly fixed on Taiwan luckily for Putin. Russia having nukes though will likely mean they keep out of Russia is my guessing.
In Ukraine it looks like the battle for Kherson is building. Russia is sending many of its trips from the Donbas there. It's really down to whether & when Ukraine will move in. I wouldn't mind betting they hold off if they can't get an easy in and instead just pick away at Putlers forces with the HIMARS. It's tying up Russian forces by doing so, so holding off isn't a bad move. I personally think counter attacking in the Donbas would be a better option. Putlers has moved forces away to Kherson weakening his position there plus there are already two largely destroyed cities so easier to move to without risking mass devastation & civilian casualties since that has already occurred.
So basically down to Ukraine to play their hand now it seems or risk losing the opportunity to counter and falling into a dug in stagnation of the war I reckon.
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“LOL. The west have no Kremlin insiders, the level of intelligence is deplorable.”
no, it isn’t…
that’s NOT how intelligence works AT ALL!
Since you don’t read very much, I’d suggest you watch the recent movie “Midway”
it explains intelligence, to someone on your “level”
the USA figured out the exact time and position of the Japanese fleet about to attack Midway
and set a trap that ended up destroying the Japanese carriers
you think they had spies in Hirahito’s inner circle?
No, as the movie explained, the picture of the enemy, is like a puzzle composed of 1,000 little pieces, that Intelligence assembles into a complete picture…
the USA knew MORE about Putin’s plans than Putin’s inner circle did!
this is why the USA setup refugee camps in Poland WAY before the invasion happened
if you like Russia so much, I suggest you go there, and stand somewhere in a public place
and hold up a blank empty sign, and see what happens to you
I wouldn't mind betting though that they call it off as it's really a waste of money
Nyet! Putin trusts the military much less than in February
the exercise is to see how well the deployment will go and prepare all the village boys for action
just like Vostok
when the war switches to Holodomore tactics, Ukraine and the West won't really have a defense against it
so Putin will pivot to this direction
the one consistant thing about Russia, is their predictability
and their limited repertoire of "actions"
mass starvation
mass deportation
throwing their reserves into a winter offensive
blame the West
etc, etc
Interestingly the US will have their Presidential & Government Elections roughly the same time as we in the UK have our General Election in late 2024
less than 2 months before JFK's assasination, Oswald met with Valery Vladimirovich Kostikov in Mexico City, Kostikov was a KGB specialist in political assination
in 2016, paul manfort gave crucial information to Konstantin Kilimnik a GRU specialist in disrupting elections
Russians ALWAYS have local assistance
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then Russians who worked with Trump/Manafort in 2016, will work to boost the Republican pro-Russia caucus in 2024…
while working with Iran to create a crisis in the middle-east to inflate oil prices
look at how much CPAC is embracing fascism
Russians will help direct American fascism
just like Germany did before Pearl Harbor
The Russians who worked with Trump were figments of Hillary Clintons
imagination. 100% of the Russian hoax collusion was proven to be fake
news.
Fascism is exclusively a left wing movement.
WWII Germany had a government that was to the left of FDR but
to the right of Stalin. Similar to the sweet spot that Bernie Sanders/AOC
aspire to have.
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Russians ALWAYS have local assistance
The sneaky Russians tricked Hillary to not campaign in Pennsylvania and
they convinced young people who voted for Obama to sit out the election
this time. Dems are soooooo... easily duped.
Did you mean to tie this all together with UFO's, JFK, bigfoot and the Loch
Ness Monster?
(http://www.oclvision.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/GettyImages-175417397-1-300x199.jpg)
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“100% of the Russian hoax collusion was proven to be fake news.”
Proven by who, Alex Jones? After he proved that democrats staged the Sandy Hook school shooting?
Yeahhhhh, right!!! LOL
no Beel, all the evidence of KNOWN Russian collusion with "team Trump", are in OFFICIAL US court records as a result of FBI investigations
and all VERY EASILY accessible to you on Google
your evidence?
show us….
Otherwise your claim is COMPLETE nonsense
derived from tin-foil hat wearing demagogs who do it for profit, like Alex Jones and Faux News
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1939_Nazi_rally_at_Madison_Square_Garden
change a few words in Fritz Kuhn’s speech, and it would fit in entirely today with the far right GOP "Christian Nationalists"
you can watch his speech on youtube
is THIS who YOU are Beel?
sad...
denial, ain't a river in Egypt!
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There are always moles in foreign governments. The fact you think there are not suggests the Kremlin moles are successful.
There are Ukrainian spies within the Russian intelligence service as well. The fact Russian spies are caught on Ukrainian soil suggests this is the case.
LMAO.
Show me one leak uncovered in the west from a "Kremlin insider" since February 24. Just one.
The intelligence prior to that time was from satellite images not from a Kremlin insider.
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The point is, successful moles remain that way because their information doesn’t become part of the public domain. Are you being naive, or purposely obtuse?
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I get it. The proof of Kremlin insiders is that there's no proof. Awesome. Yet when I look at other military capabilities and responses of the US and EU I see a level of ineptitude that doesn't give much confidence that there's any effective intelligence gathering in Russia (that is material to changing the course of the conflict).
So is ded moroz or sneznaya koroleva the mole you speak of?
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Fascism is exclusively a left wing movement.
WWII Germany had a government that was to the left of FDR but
to the right of Stalin. Similar to the sweet spot that Bernie Sanders/AOC
aspire to have.
Have you been doing drugs, Bill? Because that is so wrong and absolute BS that it isn't funny.
Fascism is ALWAYS right wing. Socialism is left wing.
Socialism is state ownership of goods and services, and the means of producing them, with state regulation of such.
Fascism is private ownership of goods and services, and the means of producing them, with government regulation.
Capitalism is private ownership of goods and services, and the means of producing them, with private oversight/regulation.
WWII Germany had private ownership of goods and services, and the means of producing them, with government oversight. That is what made Germany fascist.
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I get it. The proof of Kremlin insiders is that there's no proof. Awesome. Yet when I look at other military capabilities and responses of the US and EU I see a level of ineptitude that doesn't give much confidence that there's any effective intelligence gathering in Russia (that is material to changing the course of the conflict).
So is ded moroz or sneznaya koroleva the mole you speak of?
Have you ever heard of John Anthony Walker? He successfully spied for the Soviets for almost 2 decades. His secrets had a devastating effect on the US navy, and resulted in the Soviet navy using advanced American technology to improve their own navy. He was only caught when his ex wife reported him.
You can believe what you wish, but the reality is that successful spies’ secrets don’t make the front page. Only a rube would assume otherwise.
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I get it. The proof of Kremlin insiders is that there's no proof. Awesome. Yet when I look at other military capabilities and responses of the US and EU I see a level of ineptitude that doesn't give much confidence that there's any effective intelligence gathering in Russia (that is material to changing the course of the conflict).
So is ded moroz or sneznaya koroleva the mole you speak of?
How do you think the Ukrainians were able to capture all the kill teams Putin sent into Ukraine to kill Zelensky and other Ukrainian officials? Someone in the FSB alerted Ukraine. :cluebat:
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Looks like the HIMARS are having a real crippling effect on the Russian military. Apparently the UK is going to send some additional advanced weapons to Ukraine also:
http://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-war-longer-range-missiles-sent-by-uk-and-us-are-making-russia-change-tactics-12670669
All just a case of see what happens next, if Russia breaks. If I were Ukraine I would use the HIMARS now to target as many Russian concentrations of troops as possible all at once and continuous for a few days, see if they can make the whole Russian Army break and run!
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“100% of the Russian hoax collusion was proven to be fake news.”
Proven by who, Alex Jones? After he proved that democrats staged the Sandy Hook school shooting?
Yeahhhhh, right!!! LOL
New York Times
NYT’s Bret Stephens Becomes First Corporate Media Figure To Acknowledge
Russian Collusion Was A ‘Hoax’
http://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/21/opinion/bret-stephens-trump-voters.html?partner=IFTTT
How about NPR?
Arrest of Steele dossier source forces some news outlets to reexamine their coverage
http://www.npr.org/2021/11/12/1055030223/the-fbi-arrests-a-key-contributor-to-efforts-trying-to-link-trump-with-russia
How about Robby Mook, Hillary's campaign manager testifying under oath that
it was a campaign dirty trick.
Prosecutors asked Mr. Mook about his role in funneling the Alfa Bank claims
to the press. Mr. Mook admitted the campaign lacked expertise to vet the
data, yet the decision was made by Mr. Mook, policy adviser Jake Sullivan
(now President Biden’s national security adviser), communications director
Jennifer Palmieri and campaign chairman John Podesta to give the Alfa Bank
claims to a reporter. Mr. Mook said Mrs. Clinton was asked about the plan
and approved it. A story on the Trump-Alfa Bank allegations then appeared
in Slate, a left-leaning online publication.
read all about it here
http://www.wsj.com/articles/hillary-clinton-did-it-robby-mook-michael-sussmann-donald-trump-russia-collusion-alfa-bank-11653084709
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none of what you wrote has any bearing on the FBI's investigations AT ALL
and none are court based produced under oath...
an opinion piece is your evidence?
good grief
wait till you find out what the recent FBI raid on Trump was all about, LOL...
again, court documents vrs an opinion piece on something I don't even consider "evidence" in the first place...
why not quote your uncle charley, who said Trump was innocent during Thanksgiving?
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Fascism is private ownership of goods and services, and the means of producing them, with government regulation.
With government HEAVY regulation= Modern Democratic Party Move one step
to the left and you get socialism, move another step to the left and you get Communism.
Facism is ONLY one step to the right of Socialism.
Capitalism is private ownership of goods and services, and the means of producing them, with private oversight/regulation.
WWII Germany had private ownership of goods and services, and the means of producing them, with government oversight. That is what made Germany fascist.
Nazi Germany controlled private businesses. Telling then what to build
and how much, just like FDR did with Ford, GM and many others. That's
what made them fascist. Government oversight does not include telling
private industry to build tanks. That is EXACTLY where the far left Dem's
want to be.
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Article on Washington’s warnings of invasion.
http://archive.ph/nsxEt
But we’ve been told the US has no spies in Russia.
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Article on Washington’s warnings of invasion.
http://archive.ph/nsxEt (http://archive.ph/nsxEt)
But we’ve been told the US has no spies in Russia.
The story from the UA web sites is quite different.
http://fakty.com.ua/ua/ukraine/20220811-u-nyh-bulo-dva-plany-arestovych-znav-pro-vtorgnennya-rosiyi-v-ukrayinu-shhe-voseny/
Video tells when Ukraine was first sure of an attack. Attack was delayed several times by Russia.
7:35 mark tells response (English CC available)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtAbQYffGhg#t=455
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But we’ve been told the US has no spies in Russia.
For a lawyer you have a hard time reconciling words.
LOL. The west have no Kremlin insiders, the level of intelligence is deplorable.
The intelligence prior to that time was from satellite images not from a Kremlin insider.
Russia is a lot bigger than the Kremlin. I stand by my claim, the west have no Kremlin insiders providing meaningful intelligence related to this conflict.
Washington Post is USA's Pravda. Hardly a reliable source.
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I think they do. An “insider” is very broadly defined. FSB analysts are “Kremlin insiders”. The elite are “Kremlin insiders”.
The type of information Washington had, relatively early, could only have come from someone with a high security clearance.
The WP is an independent paper. A paper whose journalists brought down a president can hardly be referred to as “Pravda”.
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I stand by my claim, the west have no Kremlin insiders providing meaningful intelligence related to this conflict.
How can you, or anyone, make such a claim ?
The very best insiders providing info to others are those who are never known or discovered in their lifetime.
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The WP is an independent paper. A paper whose journalists brought down a president can hardly be referred to as “Pravda”.
Nixon? LOL, that was half a century ago. How old was Bezos back then?
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How can you, or anyone, make such a claim ?
The very best insiders providing info to others are those who are never known or discovered in their lifetime.
There is no evidence that intelligence allegedly gathered from within the Kremlin has been used to gain an upper hand on the battlefield.
On the contrary the western response has been chaotic and Russian-backed forces are steadily breaking down the Ukrainian army. Ukraine has had massive problems with moles/spies.
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There is no evidence that intelligence allegedly gathered from within the Kremlin has been used to gain an upper hand on the battlefield.
On the contrary the western response has been chaotic and Russian-backed forces are steadily breaking down the Ukrainian army. Ukraine has had massive problems with moles/spies.
While the case for or against intelligence gathered from within the Kremlin cannot be proven, we know that Russia, the US, and other countries spy on each other at high levels and that US intelligence was correct regarding RU's intentions before the war started.
Regarding response chaos, I guess it depends on which news channel one views or reads. The fact Ukraine still exists after many months and is holding ground against a much more powerful enemy is enough evidence for me that UA has the upper hand on the ground and in the hearts of its citizens. That many RU moles existed in UA is no secret after decades of RU influence in political circles, but fewer of them now than before the war.
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Bezos is hands off at the WP. It is a newspaper of record.
No one has claimed Ukraine is getting information from the Kremlin on war tactics. But I doubt those tactics are formulated by Kremlin officials, in any event.
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Bezos is hands off at the WP. It is a newspaper propaganda rag of record lies.
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Your beliefs are NOT as authentic as facts
Fact is, the Fox channel has never won a journalism award. Never. Not once, which isn't surprising, since journalism isn't its purpose.
OTOH, The Washington Post has won 65 Pulitzer Prizes in journalism, the second highest of any newspaper or magazine in the United States. It has won the gold medal for Public Service, the most distinguished award, six times.
but as Orwell warned us, the "proles" will be bombarded with "doublethink", truth is a lie, war is peace, "Stop The Steal", is actually about stealing, and so on, and so forth, and the world keeps turning as it burns...
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Note: I only use antenna to get TV and Fox doesn't show up except as picked up by a local channel only for Fox News Sunday.
But to address Krimster's point . . . surely he and all others here know the real reason Fox hasn't gotten Pulitzer Prizes.
Simply remember who votes for such.
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Here is a list of Pulitzer prize winners. The vast majority are neither “left” nor “right”.
http://www.pulitzer.org/prize-winners-by-category/206
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sure, go ahead and tell us what conspiracy theory you believe is responsible for Fox not getting a Pulizer, meanwhile conservative WSJ has received 38 pulizer prizes, so that'd kinda eliminate left/right bias as a factor...
WSJ has received 9 pulizer nominations on stories involving Amazon's (Jeff Bezos) business practices, so where's the bias?
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Your beliefs are NOT as authentic as facts
Fact is, the Fox channel has never won a journalism award. Never. Not once, which isn't surprising, since journalism isn't its purpose.
OTOH, The Washington Post has won 65 Pulitzer Prizes in journalism, the second highest of any newspaper or magazine in the United States. It has won the gold medal for Public Service, the most distinguished award, six times.
but as Orwell warned us, the "proles" will be bombarded with "doublethink", truth is a lie, war is peace, "Stop The Steal", is actually about stealing, and so on, and so forth, and the world keeps turning as it burns...
You are funny! I don't watch Fox, LOL! Your beliefs of everyone that opposes the lefty loons is a Fox watching knuckle dragger is a joke. It seems that you need to insert your ill informed opinion in to every conversation lately, I wonder why. :cluebat: The new TC in the making maybe.
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"Your beliefs of everyone that opposes the lefty loons is a Fox watching knuckle dragger is a joke."
no, I believe there are also other types of knuckle draggers, who are anti-democratic as well
but since they have so much in common with the Fox knuckle draggers, I tend to use the Fox type generically.
I'm curious though, from your standpoint, how would you differentiate your beliefs, from the Fox knuckle draggers?
Mathematically, if two expressions are equivalent, they are considered equal
so unless your political/social beliefs are NOT equivalent to the Fox knuckle draggers
then you just implied that you have calloused knuckles...
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You are funny! I don't watch Fox, LOL!
What news do you watch, Brillynt?
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Non existent intelligence reported from a newspaper that allegedly only prints propaganda. Names and dates included.
Of course, it’s all wrong and Russia took Kyiv in days, based on its impenetrable and unfaltering intelligence services.
http://archive.ph/jvshT
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Non existent intelligence reported from a newspaper that allegedly only prints propaganda. Names and dates included.
Of course, it’s all wrong and Russia took Kyiv in days, based on its impenetrable and unfaltering intelligence services.
http://archive.ph/jvshT
LOL, you jump to such outlandish conclusions. Where did I say Russia took Kyiv? Where did I say anything about about unfaltering intellligence services. Such immediate attempts to smear people because they said something you dont like, a typical lefty loon habit.
My wife is Ukrainian, I hate this freaking war. My wifes family is in the middle of this crap. So stop making unfounded and stupid assumptions.
To other other question. I dont watch any TV Progaganda(News). I read mulitiple web sites on both sides to try and distill the truth of what is happening.
So excuse the F... out of me for hurting your fee fees.
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"Your beliefs of everyone that opposes the lefty loons is a Fox watching knuckle dragger is a joke."
no, I believe there are also other types of knuckle draggers, who are anti-democratic as well
but since they have so much in common with the Fox knuckle draggers, I tend to use the Fox type generically.
I'm curious though, from your standpoint, how would you differentiate your beliefs, from the Fox knuckle draggers?
Mathematically, if two expressions are equivalent, they are considered equal
so unless your political/social beliefs are NOT equivalent to the Fox knuckle draggers
then you just implied that you have calloused knuckles...
Damn, that's a lot of words to just call me a knuckle dragger. I hope the wife does'nt notice that I suddenly started dragging my knuckles.
Have a good life and enjoy yourself. :clapping:
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LOL, you jump to such outlandish conclusions. Where did I say Russia took Kyiv? Where did I say anything about about unfaltering intellligence services. Such immediate attempts to smear people because they said something you dont like, a typical lefty loon habit.
My wife is Ukrainian, I hate this freaking war. My wifes family is in the middle of this crap. So stop making unfounded and stupid assumptions.
To other other question. I dont watch any TV Progaganda(News). I read mulitiple web sites on both sides to try and distill the truth of what is happening.
So excuse the F... out of me for hurting your fee fees.
You jumped to an erroneous conclusion. My post was not directed at you.
You didn’t hurt my feelings. Another erroneous conclusion on your part.
I knew your wife is from Ukraine and that she has posted here.