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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #400 on: April 23, 2014, 12:58:27 PM »
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The main objective in this new warfare is not so much to neutralize or vanquish the enemy as it is to fully persuade, control and manipulate the population you purport to "liberate." Through a relentless propaganda campaign, the people are turned into zombies, easily provoked into forming panic-stricken mobs capable of carrying out pogroms and ethnic cleansing. Sometimes they even sacrificing themselves as "living shields" before the guns of the enemy. Those refusing to get caught up in the general hysteria are cast out, beaten or murdered by the crowd.
 
As an example, thousands of people died in Palestine's anti-Jewish pogroms in 1936. But only several hundred Jews were killed. All the rest were Palestinians who had either sympathized with the Jews or refused to kill them.
 

Russia's New War Technology in Ukraine
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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #401 on: April 24, 2014, 07:47:41 AM »
One more example of Russia's New War Technology in Ukraine
 
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Russian President Vladimir Putin said Thursday that the deployment of military in east Ukraine by the authorities in Kyiv was a crime against its own people that will "have consequences."
 
"If Kyiv really began to use the army against the country's population... that is a very serious crime against its own people," Putin was quoted as saying by Russian news agencies.
 
"That is simply a punitive measure that will without question have consequences... including for our inter-governmental relations," he said. However, he did not specify the nature of consequences.
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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #402 on: April 24, 2014, 08:05:00 AM »
One more example of Russia's New War Technology in Ukraine

It is so wrong and hypocritical of Putin to say "...the deployment of military in east Ukraine by the authorities in Kyiv was a crime against its own people that will 'have consequences.' "

The Ukrainian military was deployed to stop Ukrainian people who were leading an insurgency against Ukraine.  Someone (Belvis, et al)  please explain the difference between the east Ukrainian insurgents and the Chechens who fought Russia for an independent Chechnya.   

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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #403 on: April 24, 2014, 08:20:20 AM »
It is so wrong and hypocritical of Putin to say "...the deployment of military in east Ukraine by the authorities in Kyiv was a crime against its own people that will 'have consequences.' "

The Ukrainian military was deployed to stop Ukrainian people who were leading an insurgency against Ukraine.  Someone (Belvis, et al)  please explain the difference between the east Ukrainian insurgents and the Chechens who fought Russia for an independent Chechnya.   

Didn't someone coined the term "doublethink" for that kind of approach?
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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #404 on: April 24, 2014, 08:27:18 AM »
It is so wrong and hypocritical of Putin to say "...the deployment of military in east Ukraine by the authorities in Kyiv was a crime against its own people that will 'have consequences.' "

The Ukrainian military was deployed to stop Ukrainian people who were leading an insurgency against Ukraine.  Someone (Belvis, et al)  please explain the difference between the east Ukrainian insurgents and the Chechens who fought Russia for an independent Chechnya.   

It would appear to me as more doublespeak lying and word parsing from Putin to set the table for further naked aggression on his part. Ukrainian troop movement inside Ukraine is Ukraine's business. Never mind that the troop movement is to defend it's soil from the Russian invader. He is attempting to make it sound as if the Ukrainian military is attacking it's own citizens, apparently so that when he attacks them, he can blame it on Ukraine. It's obvious the truth will not becoming from his lips. Gauge his actions

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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #405 on: April 24, 2014, 10:21:09 AM »
So here's Putler asking Ukraine to remove their armies from the eastern part so he can bring his own.
 
Putler sucks
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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #406 on: April 24, 2014, 11:39:12 AM »
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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #407 on: April 24, 2014, 11:44:08 AM »
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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #408 on: April 28, 2014, 01:09:37 PM »
There are so many Putin lies. Who are the idiots who believe him?
For example: the idea that there are no Russian military personnel in Ukraine:

http://euromaidanpr.com/2014/04/27/why-moscow-revealed-strelkovs-identity/#more-7837

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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #409 on: April 28, 2014, 02:08:36 PM »
There are so many Putin lies. Who are the idiots who believe him?
For example: the idea that there are no Russian military personnel in Ukraine:

http://euromaidanpr.com/2014/04/27/why-moscow-revealed-strelkovs-identity/#more-7837


Churchill once said "A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on."


Putin will say what he has to say to gain the advantage of staying a few steps ahead of everyone.
Fund the audits, spread the word and educate people, write your politicians and other elected officials. Stay active in the fight to save our country. Over 220 generals and admirals say we are in a fight for our survival like no other time since 1776.

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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #410 on: April 28, 2014, 07:46:33 PM »
strelkov interview was given only after he was pretty much already unmasked
by giving the interview he now has cast enough doubt on his identity & origins and his loyaltys aims of his involvement in ukraine ,

it gives to those who  are not sure of the power play at hand some semblence of truth about him while still creating doubt that he is russias man in charge on the ground

yet more skillfull disinformation and propoganda by the kremlin for the unbelievers of the russian stealth invasion going on in ukraine

succesfully masking some outragous lies with some basics truths from strelkov , gives rise to doubt and mistrust in many peoples minds of events on the ground and who is orchestrating /controlling it , exactly the result desired by putin in his chess game with  ukraine and the west

result is over anyalysis of contradicting information , distrust of all /any authority continued destabilisation and general paralysis on the ground , rather than concise decisive action to stop further erosion of ukraines sovereignty

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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #411 on: April 28, 2014, 08:39:38 PM »
Did you see the video I posted showing little green men invading a police station? That's what we need more people to see, especially Putin's citizens. Putin calls these military guys, 'protesters', who have bought military clothing at the local army/navy store. Ha. The videos speak volumes. Here is a short video of what Putin has been calling 'Russian speaking protesters'. All Russians should watch this:
http://say.tv/220792/video/embed/30293/0a490d90bbd88f74817289cfb23e4a3f
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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #413 on: April 29, 2014, 02:04:37 AM »
strelkov ...
You mean Igor Girkyn? The one that is Russian citizen, Colonel, born December 17, 1970, russian passport number: № 4506460961, registered in Moscow at Shenkursky passage 8B, apartment 136?


http://gazeta.ua/ru/articles/politics/_sbu-nazvala-nastoyaschee-imya-rossijskogo-diversanta-strelkova/554917
http://ru.tsn.ua/svit/russkiy-diversant-strelkov-smenil-imya-pered-tem-kak-ehat-v-ukrainu-363110.html

Right now he better return home and take care of his own family.

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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #414 on: April 29, 2014, 04:18:41 PM »
'...There are many more examples where Russian officials talk of patriotism and unity of the Russian people, while their children and other relatives reside abroad...'
from this article:

http://euromaidanpr.com/2014/04/29/children-of-russian-officials-prefer-overseas/#more-7966

Oh, I guess some Russians think life in the EU is not so bad.

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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #415 on: April 30, 2014, 12:03:00 PM »
Irony.
If Putin is concerned about the new Ukraine having free trade with the EU, his actions have actually hurt Russia's trade with the EU, and pushed Ukraine toward the EU, while making Russia appear untrustworthy. So, it's not about trade. It's about Putin being emotional, throwing a tantrum. What does Putin want? Can he put it into words? 

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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #417 on: April 30, 2014, 12:44:51 PM »
Those two links actually show the opposite. Maybe that was your point. Buildings are being occupied in eastern Ukraine by Russian militia, with assault rifles. Protesters for Ukrainian unity are just regular folks, common citizens, who are attacked by radicals. The local police have been doing nothing to protect buildings or citizens.

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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #418 on: April 30, 2014, 12:53:01 PM »
Those two links actually show the opposite. Maybe that was your point. Buildings are being occupied in eastern Ukraine by Russian militia, with assault rifles. Protesters for Ukrainian unity are just regular folks, common citizens, who are attacked by radicals. The local police have been doing nothing to protect buildings or citizens.

I'm pretty sure that was his point.

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The pro-Russian militants return to their headquarters, the regional administration building, where a support committee crying ‘Down with Nazism’ awaits them. 

That's rich!  Those gentlemen wearing balaclavas and beating unarmed rally-attenders with clubs act just like Hitler's brownshirts acted, REAL Nazis.

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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #419 on: May 05, 2014, 02:15:56 PM »
Those two links actually show the opposite. Maybe that was your point. Buildings are being occupied in eastern Ukraine by Russian militia, with assault rifles. Protesters for Ukrainian unity are just regular folks, common citizens, who are attacked by radicals. The local police have been doing nothing to protect buildings or citizens.


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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #420 on: May 06, 2014, 02:41:02 AM »
It is so wrong and hypocritical of Putin to say "...the deployment of military in east Ukraine by the authorities in Kyiv was a crime against its own people that will 'have consequences.' "

The Ukrainian military was deployed to stop Ukrainian people who were leading an insurgency against Ukraine.  Someone (Belvis, et al)  please explain the difference between the east Ukrainian insurgents and the Chechens who fought Russia for an independent Chechnya.   
As soon as you explain the difference between the actions of Yanukovich and the actions of the current government against demonstrants.
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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #421 on: May 06, 2014, 01:18:45 PM »
Oops


The official results of the Crimean Referendum are not what they seem to be.


It seems that someone at the Russian Ministry of Propaganda made a big boo-boo and let the cat out of the bag long enough for some savvy sleuths to catch the "slight" misinterpretation of the numbers.


But of course, the vast majority of the people in Crimea voted (cough, bullshevik) for annexation.


Yea, and pigs fly.
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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #422 on: May 06, 2014, 01:25:19 PM »
Oops


The official results of the Crimean Referendum are not what they seem to be.


It seems that someone at the Russian Ministry of Propaganda made a big boo-boo and let the cat out of the bag long enough for some savvy sleuths to catch the "slight" misinterpretation of the numbers.


But of course, the vast majority of the people in Crimea voted (cough, bullshevik) for annexation.


Yea, and pigs fly.
That is why Ukraine has now closed the border with Crimea, is cutting off water supply and is afraid as hell the people from there will join in the civil war.
So tell me, how does Ukraine expect to hold their presidential elections in Crimea? Or perhaps they will hold them only in Kiev, so it will be easier to get a result.
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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #423 on: May 06, 2014, 01:37:12 PM »
That is why Ukraine has now closed the border with Crimea, is cutting off water supply and is afraid as hell the people from there will join in the civil war.
So tell me, how does Ukraine expect to hold their presidential elections in Crimea? Or perhaps they will hold them only in Kiev, so it will be easier to get a result.


If you haven't got a feed from Russia's Ministry of Propaganda, that's understandable. They seem to run late in fabricating stories.


Notice that the Tatars are being beaten the crap out of them because they want to enter Krim? Who do you think is closing the borders? What the Ukrainians are doing (finally) is not allowing the Russian "tourist" to enter Ukraine. They are considered unstable and malign. Also, they are preparing for elections in Eastern Ukraine. But, somehow that information will not be available from Russia's Ministry of Propaganda. Do you remember the Ministry of Propaganda?
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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #424 on: May 06, 2014, 01:44:11 PM »

If you haven't got a feed from Russia's Ministry of Propaganda, that's understandable. They seem to run late in fabricating stories.


Notice that the Tatars are being beaten the crap out of them because they want to enter Krim? Who do you think is closing the borders? What the Ukrainians are doing (finally) is not allowing the Russian "tourist" to enter Ukraine. They are considered unstable and malign. Also, they are preparing for elections in Eastern Ukraine. But, somehow that information will not be available from Russia's Ministry of Propaganda. Do you remember the Ministry of Propaganda?
I am asking how they will hold election in the Crimea area. If they believe it is still part of Ukraine they should.
So if they do not plan to hold elections there, it is clear that even Ukraine does no longer see Crimea part of their country.

That is the hypocritical stance of the Ukrainian government, the fascists will not rest until they have absolute power.
They are totalitarian and unstable in nature. But as they are considered the 'good guys' they can get away with anything as long as the propaganda machine works.

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