If this is indeed as good enough to a cure for most then it's what the world has been looking for so a good find Maxx. I think this is a good title for a thread as it's been on my mind recently that despite a few finds there hasn't as yet been anything that has proven effective enough. I know here in the UK that they were trialling injection of blood into people who had recovered from Coronavirus that had built up antibodies to see if that would help. So far though people are still dying in UK hospitals perhaps averaging around 100 a day which kind of tells us that no cure good enough has as yet been found, save possibly this one if it were to work out on a large scale.
We're still only a few months into all of this and so a lot of people to date will have been used as gineau pigs being offered all sorts of useless rubbish to be pumped into them. I see it as better to try and avoid a lot of risk at the moment and try to last it out until they have something that has made it through as a good solution to the virus problem. At the moment it seems it's still in the grasping at straws phase.
Sorry Maxx', if this has anything to do with Alex Jones the already dodgy medical basis for this recommendation just got more iffy..
We've seen snake oil merchant push HCQ and idiot leaders push it's efficacy...(
Maxx, humans have never found a safe and effective treatment or vaccine for any coronavirus in history. I doubt a doctor is just going to pull something out of his medicine cabinet which is designed for something else and have it work on the virus of the century.
There's a reason we have trials. That doctor only worked with a small group of people. We all know more people prefer Coke over Pepsi. You can do hundreds of taste tests with groups of 10 people and eventually you'll have a group of people that prefers Pepsi over Coke and then proclaim Pepsi is the winner. Each doctor in the world works with a small group of people. A few French doctors thought they had great success with HCQ and it was thought to be a miracle treatment because the media educated us that it was. The media reversed course after Trump promoted it. After being put in trials, HCQ didn't replicate the same success the French doctors had. It's possible the French doctors patients naturally recovered on their own and they falsely credited HCQ for being the reason.
GQB,
I prefer to believe a team of experts without vested interests ..
You've already proved you don't understand how HCQ works..and it's unsuitability for treating COVID-19..
Yup, a snake oil 'doctor '..
There are many highly reputable medical facilities in USA.
Just to name a few:
Johns Hopkins
Mayo Clinic
Cleveland Clinic
Cedars-Sinai Medical Center
UCLA Medical Center
UCSF Medical Center
University of Michigan Hospitals
Massachusetts General Hospital
Duke University
Brigham and Women's Hospital
Mount Sinai Hospital
Now granted not all of the above are involved in Covid research, and there are many places not listed that are involved in such.
But point is, when real treatments for Covid are found, it will come from such places, not from individual isolated physicians found in West Texas.
But point is, when real treatments for Covid are found, it will come from such places, not from individual isolated physicians found in West Texas.
Various sources in the US have reported how treatment of COVID patients has improved. Hospital stays are shorter, and death rate lower. The reasons given are many, and one of the reasons is the use of steroids. The reports usually cite the use of the anti-inflammatory steroid dexamethasone, yet I imagine they could include budesonide. Dexamethasone and budesonide are both corticosteroids.
methinks a very reputable health organization have far more validity than a wandering loner worm, wouldn't you think?
But hey, knock yourself out, they have a 'contact us' page...go write to their epidemiologists and tell them you know better because you can Google anything in the internet to prove them wrong...
Maybe it's a coincidence Michigan's sudden drop from the hot zone was because of toilet paper...who knows..
It may also be a coincidence Detroit's Representative Karen Whitsett was censured for saying HCQ saved her life and actually thanked Trump.
According to Henry Ford Health System, it is.
http://www.henryford.com/news/2020/07/hydro-treatment-study
The issue being that, unlike you ... I DO think..
Worms are people who believe internet saddos who pm utter tosh about my 'hacking' of forums ( and spread it further ) and suggest meds that offer no efficacy re the treatment of COVID-19 ( ie. HCQ)
Then GQB goes on to describe himself ..
When it comes to HCQ and it's benefits... I understand what it's REALLY good for ..
Well offer is a reason ..?
Spreading misinfo in a pandemic ..see what happens ?
You see a 'conspiracy' ... I see stupidity
According to the link below, non-profit Henry Ford Health System Funded the study and conducted the study themselves and conflict of interest includes speakers from pharmaceutical companies. No government input to on how to conduct the study. There are ways to conduct studies to get favorable outcomes like People prefer Pepsi over Coke.
http://www.ijidonline.com/article/S1201-9712(20)30534-8/fulltext
Since March 2020 Henry Ford Health System got huge increase in donations from pharmaceutical companies. January donations were 3 mil. June donations are up to 53 mil. Government NIH also donated.
http://www.henryford.com/-/media/files/henry-ford/hcp/research/award-report-research.pdf?la=en&hash=9B5F79AA4DAB894A724A3B5F4E810398
Scientists, businesses, and doctors have an interest to be the first and/or get their products out there. Moderna and the government have been fighting over how the vaccine trials should be conducted so they have lost time as a consequence. Of course Moderna wants to conduct the trial favorable to themselves. Government wants it done right.
http://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19/87461
There are different reasons people die from COVID-19. Respiratory, heart or other organ failure. Some will get pneumonia from a bacterial infection. Some people's immune systems are too weak to fight Covid-19 while other's immune systems are going into overdrive and their own antibodies are destroying their organs. It'll be hard to find a treatment that can be used in every scenario. Even if a treatment is proven to help people, it may also be proven to increase chances of death in others. Our government's NIH and international body WHO have ended trials of HCQ. Regardless of What Henry Ford Health System says, government oversight bodies are not impressed. It's over for HCQ.
Isn't that what IBM said while a kid in Seattle named Bill Gates was working in his basement?
Odds favor the research institutions, yet...
Isn't that what IBM said while a kid in Seattle named Bill Gates was working in his basement?
Odds favor the research institutions, yet...
You do understand what 'peer review" is, right BillyB?
Did ANYONE watch the video of the doctor being interviewed by the Dallas TV station??
WHO, NIH, CDC, and FDA peered reviewed all credible studies with their own doctors and scientists. That's why they needed to end the trials of HCQ immediately. FDA has revoked the emergency use authorization (EUA) to use hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine to treat COVID-19 in certain hospitalized patients when a clinical trial is unavailable or participation is not feasible. Doctors can't use it anymore in a hospital setting just because they personally "believe" it'll help a patient. FDA concludes HCQ is causing organ injury and failure. What drug doesn't have side effects? Everybody likes to talk about how good a drug works without talking about the dangers of using the product. We know more now. HCQ probably got studied more than 99% of the drugs in history in trials conducted all over the world. Studies usually take years to figure out if a drug is safe and effective but in a matter of months, they concluded HCQ is not safe and effective.
BillyB-
The contact page is there. Challenge it. Walk your talk and quit Googling for a change. This is very simple you know.
Here, help you out: http://www.henryford.com/about/contact
weren't you predicting at one time that by now the mortality rate of COVID-19 will be in the *billions* with your mathematical acuity not too long ago?
Phone numbers to hospitals? I don't need to make an appointment for hip replacement surgery. I'm satisfied with the conclusions of WHO, NIH, CDC, and FDA. It's up to Henry Ford Health Systems to push their findings on those organizations if they want to change their minds.
I didn't exactly say that but billions can die. Without immunity or vaccine and considering we all get old and our immunity systems get weakened, billions will eventually die of Covid-19 if we try to resume the same lifestyle we had at the beginning of the year. Covid-19 is estimated to take 11-12 years off our lifespans and it will be true if we allow it to run loose around the world like common cold viruses. Periodic lockdowns and masks will be a way of life for awhile unless something changes.
This is simple, BillyB. Walk the talk...Challenge their published study. Don't come here giving us your silly Google results if you have the conviction with what you're spewing here.
I think it was 780,000,000 IINM is what you said in the ensuing post on the same thread. LMAO! But your calculation of 27.5% mortality rate is correct, right?
Man...you sure know your clinical studies regarding COVID-19.
You can challenge the studies WHO, NIH, CDC, and FDA looked at that convinced them HCQ isn't safe and effective. Most people are past the HCQ debate.
You're the one that posted the link below. Did you read it past the title and a journalist's article claiming victory? The head guy of the study siad the study should be interpreted with caution and that more controls are needed to evaluate safety and efficiency of HCQ. Translation; their study was not controlled and not complete enough to claim HCQ was safe and efficient.
http://www.henryford.com/news/2020/07/hydro-treatment-study
You think I said something and then go on to comment on it. If my not embracing the Henry Ford study has got you upset with me enough to bring in other things into this thread, then quote me in full and I will explain. In a matter of months, one out of every 600 people in NY and NJ just died and all governments have taken action against this pathogen in a way never seen since the Spanish Flu. Yes, it is very dangerous and a threat to our way of life. If it doesn't kill us the first time we get it, it may eventually kill us later on. Who here only got one flu or one cold in their life?
There you go...the worm-like obfuscate then deflect move. They posted the study here (http://www.ijidonline.com/article/S1201-9712(20)30534-8/fulltext).
That was the study I posted and you didn't read it. Here's a cut and paste for you.
Conclusions and Relevance
In this multi-hospital assessment, when controlling for COVID-19 risk factors, treatment with hydroxychloroquine alone and in combination with azithromycin was associated with reduction in COVID-19 associated mortality. Prospective trials are needed to examine this impact.
What does the highlighted in bold mean to you? Victory a treatment was found by a Henry Ford Health System study? Just because right wing media sources says the study concluded HCQ works doesn't mean it's true. There needs to be more trials in a "controlled" environment. Even the study concludes that. Doesn't matter now. WHO, NIH, CDC, and FDA seen enough of HCQ and they don't like what they see.
Comprende now?
So now we're back with your expert assessment and definition of 'mortality rate'. Have you improved in that belief or are you still maintaining a 27.5% mortality rate?
All anybody needs to comprehend is the pursuit to learn if HCQ is a safe and effective treatment for COVID-19 is over. Billions were spent on it. The best and brightest independent and government doctors, scientists, and trial clinics gave it their best shot. It's over. Right now we need take the money and manpower to study a more promising drug to treat Covid-19.
If you'd quote me in full from back in March, based on the deaths and recoveries of the selected nations I posted, 27.5% is correct. Today, a nation such as Italy or State such as NJ has a 15% case fatality rate which is still alarming. Some of the data you get from right wing media includes Chinese and surrounding nation's data to water down the numbers. China's numbers are laughable. Mongolia, North Korea, Laos, and Vietnam's are even more laughable because they all report zero deaths. You are still free to believe this is no more dangerous than the flu.
Just bustin’ your bawls, BillyB. Don’t mind me.
:devil:
Well we did it, beaten the world and more importantly the EU to a vaccine:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53469839
No wonder those naughty Ruskies were snooping around.