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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #2025 on: October 29, 2017, 11:43:08 PM »
Sounds like a challenging task for sites to be able to differentiate between state actors organizing troll factories making complaints vs the public at large complaining.

Without trying to make too many political points at one  ! -- ignoring or pretending the Russian agenda does not exist  in virtually every country is a really dangerous thing to do.

The net result so far is that it has empowered the Russian leadership  as they have so successfully promoted discord and enmity to a high degree.

The story above related to facebook-- but virtually every outlet was attacked ferociously  during 2014 as Russia sort to promote it's agenda in Ukraine.Those efforts go on unabated today -- attempts to promote wholly untrue and fake ( in the true meaning of the word)  stories that are of their making( see my previous post in thread here)continue to this day.

Back in 2014 in the early days of the invasion the sheer amount of Russian BS was designed to smother any real truths .

An example I have often quoted -- in the shooting down of MH 17 by Russia   -- if you searched google with MH17 -- there was hardly a legitimate news story in the first 10 pages of results but lot's of troll inspired Russian BS promoting everything from the official Russian line  to outrageous ridiculous theories. If you recall--often backed up with stooges on the ground. Now that is 'fake" news !

To make matters worse --western news agencies were fed of picked up some of those  stories . Eventually -- the west caught up on some of that -- but only now with the spotlight bought to bear by the US election process has it really come into the mainstream media.

Go back and read some of the blind belief of the Rus believers on this forum back then -- and it is an illustration of how successful that strategy was back then.Even many sympathetic to Ukraine were unsure what to believe. That gradually changed as the Russian lies became beaten by facts -- but it has never stopped the troll army doing it's thing.
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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #2026 on: October 30, 2017, 04:47:17 AM »
So how about my post about "only FB owner can block the account"?
How can "Russian activist" create the isolation on FB?
You're funny!

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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #2027 on: October 30, 2017, 08:33:18 AM »
It’s inaccurate. FB algorithms are structured so that if enough people complain, information is deleted automatically. So if someone targets information they want to disappear, it will.
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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #2028 on: October 30, 2017, 08:55:31 AM »
I'm not a specialist in political intrigues :). I am Woman:).
But I am sure, that we always have situations, to which we correspond.
And in all countries it is the same.
First we need to cleean our own brain, but not to say about stupid politicians ).
Maybe we are not soooo wonderful too, if we have all this?
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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #2029 on: October 30, 2017, 08:58:50 AM »
I'm not a specialist in political intrigues :). I am Woman:).



Women are better than politics! Welcome to the forum Madlen. Start another thread and tell us your story.  :D
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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #2030 on: October 30, 2017, 10:09:14 AM »
BillyB,
Thanks for the hospitality :).
I am very interested in one thing....).
Now I will make new topic).
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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #2031 on: October 30, 2017, 10:39:10 AM »
I am very interested in one thing....).


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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #2032 on: October 30, 2017, 10:40:27 AM »
It’s inaccurate. FB algorithms are structured so that if enough people complain, information is deleted automatically. So if someone targets information they want to disappear, it will.
Ok, INaccurate but what does it have to do with Russian Propaganda?

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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #2033 on: October 30, 2017, 10:48:08 AM »
It’s inaccurate. FB algorithms are structured so that if enough people complain, information is deleted automatically. So if someone targets information they want to disappear, it will.
Have you read that wonderful article? This one  http://informnapalm.org/en/russia-blocked-ukrainian-activists-from-facebook-during-the-annexation-of-crimea/

With this funny "This is 100% accurate."
Who can give you 100% accuracy on FB?
The answer is NOBODY (Mark including)

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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #2034 on: October 30, 2017, 12:36:06 PM »
She's just saying the report that information was blocked by reports is 100% accurate.  I think you could determine if this is accurate, by looking at when information was posted, and when it was deleted.  Mark Zuckerberg does not personally block data. 


In the current investigation of false news emanating from FB, FB initially denied all culpability.  As more information has come out (not just re Russia, but also fake news from within the US), it has now admitted that it failed.


http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/media/mark-zuckerberg-admits-facebook-played-part-in-spread-of-fake-news/news-story/861a6ad4662612f818610f8ef6a8db29


Personally, I doubt that "fake news" played a decisive role in the election outcome, but, nevertheless, information should not be so easily manipulated.
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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #2035 on: October 30, 2017, 12:42:23 PM »
ML, I do not think, that in my reply there is something unusual).
And this forum is place for normal people, I hope).
Anyway, thanks :).
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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #2036 on: October 30, 2017, 12:48:37 PM »
ML, I do not think, that in my reply there is something unusual).
And this forum is place for normal people, I hope).
Anyway, thanks :).

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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #2037 on: October 30, 2017, 02:08:45 PM »
 :D :D :D thank you :).
I understand).
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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #2038 on: October 30, 2017, 04:55:12 PM »
More information is coming !
It illustrates the extent and reach achieved.


Facebook: Up to 126 million people saw Russian-planted posts


'Many of the ads and posts we've seen so far are deeply disturbing — seemingly intended to amplify societal divisions and pit groups of people against each other.'
Facebook has identified 80,000 Russia-linked posts on its platform that sought to interfere in the 2016 election and were viewed by up to 126 million people, the company's general counsel will tell a Senate panel Tuesday.

The so-called organic posts were planted by the Russia-based Internet Research Agency during the period from January 2015 to August 2017, Colin Stretch will say, according to a copy of his written testimony obtained by POLITICO.

The new information represents a much broader picture of Russian activity on the social network that has previously been disclosed. Facebook previously shared with congressional investigators 3,000 online political ads linked to the same Internet Research Agency. Stretch will tell lawmakers Tuesday those ads were seen by an estimated 11.4 million people. That makes the potential audience for organic posts more than ten times that of the ads that have been at the center of public debate so far.

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/10/30/facebook-russian-planted-posts-244340
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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #2039 on: November 01, 2017, 02:13:20 AM »
Today the US social media owners have been busy testifying before Congress .
I keep posting this stuff because it is important for as many as possible to read what has been happening. The interference in the US election process has created the urgency and awareness --now it is clear that this is not what many believe should be possible.
Ukraine has been at the forefront of Russian attacks.
Changes to twitter’s policy have resulted in the suspension of accounts of top-Ukrainian bloggers in what observers call a concerted campaign to block critics of Russia’s intervention in Ukraine.

Twitter’s new policy misused by pro-Kremlin accounts to block Ukrainian bloggers #SaveUaTwi

According to observers, this is a concerted campaign of pro-Putin twitter accounts, many of which could originate from the infamous Olgino “troll factory.” This inconspucious building in the suburbs of St.Petersburg is the Russian regime’s hub to social media support for Russia’s policies and state-controlled media, the secrets of which were described by an undercover journalist on a one-woman spying mission. This time, it appears that the trolls are moving from verbal abuse and spreading disinformation to active measures.

Twitter user @geomysl made a summary of how the campaign works. According to him, thousands of fake accounts are sending automatic complaints about tweets of top Ukrainian bloggers containing words that can be red-flagged according to twitter’s new policy.

It appears that the account @Leninkaratel is coordinating the campaign, sharing calls to block “undesirable” bloggers. After that, numerous users target the blogger and report a tweet containing a questionable word. The popular account @Andr3ewLVUA here reports on attempts to block him originating from different users:

http://euromaidanpress.com/2016/01/09/twitters-new-policy-misused-by-pro-kremlin-accounts-to-attack-top-ukrainian-bloggers-saveuatwi/#arvlbdata
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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #2040 on: November 14, 2017, 03:29:05 AM »
Some of the material appearing now should be compulsory reading-- especially for some of the thickheads we have on the forum.
That is not just aimed at the russophiles --but some of the extremely blind in the greatest country on earth ( lorl)
Ukraine - more accurately -the disruption of Ukraine- was a forefront target  -and skills and methodology learnt there were applied directly to the USA .
This forum has a specific interest in Ukraine-with many members here USA domiciled-- and instead of putting your collective heads in the sand -- it is long overdue to recognise what a real and present danger Putin and russia represent to western democracies -- and to those that want to be democratic,

Inside the Russian 'troll factory': How Putin's unlikely cyber recruits deployed waves of fake news articles, memes and divisive social media posts in the Kremlin's information war on the West

Vitaly Bespalov, 23, was at the heart of Russia's information war on the West
He worked at the St Petersburg 'troll factory' that is being scrutinized by US intelligence committee's investigation on Russian interference
Vitaly revealed the secrets of life inside the troll factory in War in 140 Characters, a new book by journalist David Patrikarakos
He says from inside the troll factory, Putin's cyber army deployed wave after wave of fake news articles and divisive social media posts
Highly-organized strategy is credited with playing a role in toppling Hillary Clinton's presidential bid and helping Donald Trump win the White House
The fake news machine was creative with memes being deployed as click bait

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5074671/Russian-troll-factory-recruits-fake-news.html
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More Russian Lies
« Reply #2041 on: November 14, 2017, 05:45:38 PM »
There seems to be no end  to the outright lies Russia promotes,


The Russian Ministry of Defence Publishes Screenshots of Computer Games as Evidence of US Collusion with ISIS


What this in fact showed was a cropped screenshot from the mobile phone game AC-130 Gunship Simulator, specifically a screenshot from a promo video for the game:

A side by side comparison of the Russian MoD image and the mobile phone game screenshot shows they are identical, with even part of the text from the promo video reading “DEVELOPMENT FOOTAGE. THIS IS A WORK IN PROGRESS. ALL CONTENT SUBJECT TO CHANGE.” visible in the cropped image used by the Russian MoD as their “irrefutable evidence”:

http://www.bellingcat.com/news/mena/2017/11/14/russian-ministry-defence-publishes-screenshots-computer-games-evidence-us-collusion-isis/
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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #2042 on: November 21, 2017, 11:38:11 PM »
Just saw that you had posted this.


Can you imagine?  I drew  attention to this in another place and it seems to have disappeared!?......

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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #2043 on: November 22, 2017, 04:18:33 AM »
It is a well know FACT,,, that the USA armed groups that later joined ISIS ..    the USA is guilty of war crimes in Syria and Iraq...   using depleted uranium rounds on civilians and arming groups in Syria with out a declaration of war is bull shit... >:(
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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #2044 on: November 22, 2017, 06:15:57 AM »
It is a well know FACT,,, that the USA armed groups that later joined ISIS ..   

That is NOT colluding with ISIS ...  is it ?

the USA is guilty of war crimes in Syria and Iraq...   using depleted uranium rounds on civilians and arming groups in Syria with out a declaration of war is bull shit... >:(

Well, whilst I certainly agree the Iraq campaign was a farce - AFTER Saddam's removal - but you seem to forget another nation has been aiding a dictatorship in Syria and been none to fussy about civilians either ((

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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #2045 on: November 27, 2017, 03:14:34 PM »
Aided and abetted by Trumps ignorance and stupidity in labelling anything that does not suit his jaundiced views of the media at large as fake --the affect of the Russian disinformation is being exposed more as that same media starts to look more closely at the source and promotion of what in fact are fake stories.


Russian 'troll army' tweets cited more than 80 times in UK media


Members of a Russian “troll army” were quoted more than 80 times across British-read media outlets before Twitter revealed their identity and banned them, a Guardian investigation has shown.

Some posts from the accounts were embedded in articles to provide apparently local reportage and pictures from the sites of disasters and crime scenes around the world. In fact, Twitter claims, all the accounts were run from the offices of the Internet Research Agency in St Petersburg, alleged to be the headquarters of Russia’s troll army.


http://www.theguardian.com/media/2017/nov/20/russian-troll-army-tweets-cited-more-than-80-times-in-uk-media
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A guide to Russian propaganda
« Reply #2046 on: December 18, 2017, 01:27:55 AM »
Russian propaganda can be confusing. The fakes and manipulations are endless, often outrageous, and differ depending on their target audience. Russian propaganda for Russians differs from Russian propaganda for Ukrainians, Americans, Germans, or Georgians. With all the crazy fakes, it’s easy losing track of what this coordinated hostile information campaign is pursuing altogether, which makes finding the proper reaction more difficult.

A guide to Russian propaganda. Part 4: Russian propaganda operates by law of war

In the EU, pro-Kremlin outlets try to convince that the Union is doomed and should disintegrate, fulfilling the Kremlin’s dream of a weak and divided Europe, persistently implying that Europeans need to be afraid – of Muslims, of migrants, of their leaders, which opens the door to populism while closing it to reasonable debate.

It also tries to justify Russian aggression abroad and increasingly totalitarian policies at home, implying that Russia’s occupation of Crimea, Russia’s claims to Ukraine, and Putin’s crackdown on his own citizens should be accepted.

Both in Ukraine and the EU, Russian propaganda aims to create divisions, destroy unity, and alienate the people from the leadership. In Ukraine, it incites Ukrainians to overthrow its post-Euromaidan leaders in a “Third Maidan” and suggests that the EU has ignored Ukrainians’ European aspirations and abandoned them, while in the EU it undermines trust in leaders, stokes up fear, anger, resentment, sending the message that the existing leadership doesn’t represent the people’s interests and must be overturned.

http://euromaidanpress.com/2017/12/15/a-guide-to-russian-propaganda-part-4-russian-propaganda-operates-by-law-of-war/
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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #2047 on: December 24, 2017, 06:46:36 AM »
 

 Russian meddling in Binomo? US continues to ‘remind’ Moscow of its place, UN envoy tells pranksters


During the 22-minute conversation with their interlocutor, whose voice and tone strikingly resembled that of the UN envoy, the pranksters raised concerns over Russian interference in the political affairs of an imaginary South China Sea island – Binomo – which does not exist on the world map. Haley, however, seemed to be on top of things, claiming the US is watching the situation there very carefully.




Do you know Binomo?” the impersonator asked. “They have declared independence. They had elections, and we suppose Russians had its intervention
“Yes, of course they did, absolutely,” Haley confidently replied.

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A year of Russian propaganda: 1310 cases of Russian fakes
« Reply #2048 on: December 24, 2017, 07:54:15 PM »
As the year comes to an end, one tends to look back over the past twelve months to try to sum up what has happened. But summing up the pro-Kremlin disinformation year is more about what didn’t happen.This is specifically about Russia -- but I would draw everyone's attention to what is going on in the US-- Trump lies as a matter of course -- and his media lackey lap it up-- and repeat obvious lies -it is seriously dangerous for the world.


During the year we have witnessed plenty of spectacular claims from pro-Kremlin mouthpieces, such as the imminent threat of civil war in Sweden, that an American plane dropped a nuclear bomb over Lithuania, and that the US aims to occupy Europe.  Among the things claimed just last week that didn’t happen, we can find a clumsy Ukrainian soldier who didn’t blow himself up (it was a video made for fun), the rape cases in Sweden that rose by a thousand percent (in fact a rise of 1,4% since 2015) and Pope John Paul II claiming that the invasion of migrants has to stop (he just didn’t). Apart from this, we have also seen the usual recurring pro-Kremlin narratives repeated over and over again.

A year of Russian propaganda: 1310 cases of Russian fakes debunked by EU watchdog

   Good Russia
With this theme, Russia is described as an innocent actor which does everything it can to solve the world’s problems but is constantly mistreated by the “West”. During his annual press conference last week, President Putin repeated two favorite recurring themes: that Russia is not involved in the war in Ukraine and that Crimea decided its own fate. As we know, the European Union does not recognize the illegal annexation of Crimea and the Office of the Prosecutor of the International Criminal Court has concluded that the situation within the territory of Crimea and Sevastopol amounts to an international armed conflict between Ukraine and the Russian Federation. Meanwhile, Russian state TV repeated the claim that sanctions are aimed at destroying Russia when it is clear that they have been imposed by the international community because Russia decided to break international law. 

http://euromaidanpress.com/2017/12/24/what-didnt-happen-in-2017-eu-vs-disinfo-reported-a-total-of-1310-russian-disinformation-cases/
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Inside a Russian disinformation campaign in Ukraine in 2014
« Reply #2049 on: December 25, 2017, 03:32:31 PM »
This story highlights the Russian efforts to misrepresent what was actually happening and has happened in Ukraine.The tactics used by Russia here were the blueprint for what took place in the USA in 2016.
Many who are long term here will recognise the pro Rus   BS as many who swallowed it   & repeated the BS on this forum ( & others) .
Even today ,there are many here have repeated that BS and still can't accept what the reality is.
At the time, some people in Ukraine did understand and see what was going on-- and what the Russian intentions really were.During the first half of the  2014 year, there were constant rumours of a wider Russian invasion being underway . What all the Russian BS did achieve was to cause confusion of people's thinking--particularly with people with stronger connections to Russia .

The report provides a unique window into one GRU team’s effort across six days in 2014. Starting the day after Yanukovych’s fall, the military spies created a slew of fake personas on the social media platforms of Facebook and its Russian equivalent VKontakte, or VK for short. The personas were meant to represent ordinary people from across Ukraine who were disillusioned with opposition protests at Kiev’s central square, called the Maidan.

Inside a Russian disinformation campaign in Ukraine in 2014


By the morning of Feb. 22, 2014, it was clear that the government of Viktor Yanukovych, the beleaguered pro-Russian president of Ukraine, had fallen, amid protests sparked by his decision not to move toward a closer relationship with the European Union.

Yanukovych’s Russian allies denounced his political collapse as a “coup,” and the crisis became a flash point in relations between the Kremlin and the West.

Into the tumult leapt Russia’s military spy agency, the GRU, which launched a covert influence operation — one that presaged what Moscow would do in the United States two years later. The campaign was part of an all-out propaganda offensive against the new government in Kiev and pro-Western demonstrators.

Its goal was to influence key decision-makers and the wider public to pave the way for the Russian military action that was launched Feb. 27 with the seizure of the Crimean parliament building by armed men, according to a classified GRU report obtained by The Washington Post. Crimea was ultimately annexed by Russia.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/inside-a-russian-disinformation-campaign-in-ukraine-in-2014/2017/12/25/f55b0408-e71d-11e7-ab50-621fe0588340_story.html?utm_term=.659213da8a39
« Last Edit: December 25, 2017, 03:38:10 PM by JayH »
SLAVA UKRAYINI  ! HEROYAM SLAVA!!!!
Слава Украине! Слава героям слава!Слава Україні! Слава героям!
 translated as: Glory to Ukraine! Glory to the heroes!!!  is a Ukrainian greeting slogan being used now all over Ukraine to signify support for a free independent Ukraine

 

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