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Re: The Russian/Syrian connection thread
« Reply #1175 on: April 16, 2018, 10:33:41 AM »
   
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Re: The Russian/Syrian connection thread
« Reply #1176 on: April 16, 2018, 10:39:52 AM »
My wife was in, Estonia last year. She said none of the young people speak Russian anymore. Like Dave says it is mostly the older ethnic Russians that still cling to it.

There was quite a bit of animosity towards the Russians. My wife was expelled from the country for illegal entry due to this. They detained and interrogated her for not having an entry stamp in her passport (most countries fail to stamp when entering via private jet). Wife is a Uke, but all the passengers were Russian celebrities and immigration was not excited to be blessed with their presence.

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Re: The Russian/Syrian connection thread
« Reply #1177 on: April 16, 2018, 10:46:18 AM »
I bet you weren't in Narva.


It occurred in Tallinn.

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Re: The Russian/Syrian connection thread
« Reply #1178 on: April 17, 2018, 04:26:30 PM »
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Re: The Russian/Syrian connection thread
« Reply #1179 on: April 18, 2018, 08:42:22 AM »
Trump is going to apply sanctions on Russia again due to their support of the Syrian chemical weapons program. Obama had the same intel and did nothing about it. Trump continues to do more against Russia in less than two years than Obama did in eight years. At this pace, I think Russia is going to support the Democrats in the next few elections...


This (from a conservative news outlet no less) raises serious questions as to why the more things change, the more they remain the same.


http://www.oann.com/oan-investigation-finds-no-evidence-of-chemical-weapon-attack-in-syria/

Maybe you're right, the same intel that fed Obama is feeding Trump. Just as it did Bush (Iraq), Clinton (Kosovo), Johnson (Vietnam), etc..and likely in hindsight - Obama was the only one that did the right thing by doing *nothing*.


I wonder if the alleged (that apparently never happened) chemical attack was used to justify bombing Syria for no other reason than to 'test' Russian defensive capability.
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Re: The Russian/Syrian connection thread
« Reply #1180 on: April 18, 2018, 09:29:52 AM »


I wonder if the alleged (that apparently never happened) chemical attack was used to justify bombing Syria for no other reason than to 'test' Russian defensive capability.

Of course you can take the test theory one step further. Putin knew of the coming attack and deduced that the attack was really a 'test' of the Russian missile defense capability so Putin ordered the Russian missile batteries to stand down. This would account for the fact that, according to the Americans, none of their missiles were intercepted.

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Re: The Russian/Syrian connection thread
« Reply #1181 on: April 18, 2018, 11:09:59 AM »
I wonder if the alleged (that apparently never happened) chemical attack was used to justify bombing Syria for no other reason than to 'test' Russian defensive capability.

Not sure the gas attack never happened, but it could certainly have been to test the Russian SAM's. Weapons also have a life expectancy, so it's a use it or lose it type deal sometimes.

Israel has been sending fighters into Syrian airspace on bombing raids without any issue from the defenses. They have hit multiple bases this last week I believe. Supposedly they are using the F35's we just sold them.

Of course you can take the test theory one step further. Putin knew of the coming attack and deduced that the attack was really a 'test' of the Russian missile defense capability so Putin ordered the Russian missile batteries to stand down. This would account for the fact that, according to the Americans, none of their missiles were intercepted.

Yes, the Russians announced they would only defend their own troops/bases with the S300 and S400. Saves them embarrassment and maintains weapons sales in case they are not as advertised.

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Re: The Russian/Syrian connection thread
« Reply #1182 on: April 18, 2018, 12:23:24 PM »
So we were testing new missiles.


"The extended-range version of the Joint Air-to-Surface Standoff Missile made its first combat appearance and successfully hit its targets in Syria, according to the Pentagon. "



http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/04/18/pentagon-new-missiles-attack-syria-chemical-sites/525597002/


And Israel taking out Tor missile systems in Syria.


http://www.timesofisrael.com/report-israel-targeted-advanced-iranian-air-defense-system-in-syria-strike/

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Re: The Russian/Syrian connection thread
« Reply #1183 on: April 19, 2018, 06:25:21 AM »
It seems the new consensuses is that their wasn't THAT much evidence that Assad was the one releasing chemical weapons.  Yet that was the justification for our latest bombing of the empty facilitates.   As impotent as it was, the bombing was still an infringement on Syria's sovereignty.

It is humorous that we claim to be the good guys, when ultimately our objective isn't noble, it is to keep countries from being strong enough to defend themselves effectively.  Thereby keeping them dependent, subservient, and easy to push around financially. 

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Re: The Russian/Syrian connection thread
« Reply #1184 on: April 19, 2018, 06:56:33 AM »
It seems the new consensuses is that their wasn't THAT much evidence that Assad was the one releasing chemical weapons. 

Sure, Syrian helicopters weren't circling overhead and dropping 'something'

You'll be telling us it's food parcels

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Re: The Russian/Syrian connection thread
« Reply #1185 on: April 19, 2018, 09:00:23 AM »
It seems the new consensuses is that their wasn't THAT much evidence that Assad was the one releasing chemical weapons. 

No idea where you are reading that except for the Russian trolls. The French report has been declassified.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-syria-france-intellige/french-declassified-intelligence-report-on-syria-gas-attacks-idUSKBN1HL0N1

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Re: The Russian/Syrian connection thread
« Reply #1186 on: April 19, 2018, 09:23:20 AM »
Assad uses gas because even crude WWI gases like chlorine when used in warfare would produce about 6X as many casualties per ton as high explosive shells.

On to victory with Assad!

Oh, if only you folks knew the true nature of chemical weapons in Syria!

google “Anatoly Kuntsevich”

Gen. Anatoly Kuntsevich, official title was Yeltsin's adviser on chemical and biological disarmament.

but his actual job was to set up nerve gas and in particular novichok development in Syria
for which he was paid many millions $$$

our Hebrew brothers thought ill of his business and wacked him

but his work remained....

I find it particularly alarming that British Intelligence services detected traffic in Syria discussing the Novichok attack in the UK, Kuntsevich Novichok is almost certainly what was used in Salisbury and I believe it will be used again...



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Re: The Russian/Syrian connection thread
« Reply #1187 on: April 19, 2018, 10:04:54 AM »
Breaking News, RT are reporting that the Kremlin Foreign Ministery spokes person Maria Zakharova is claiming the rebels were using 'smoke canisters made in Salisbury' :))

http://www.rt.com/news/424581-chlorine-germany-bombs-uk-syria/

“In the liberated areas of Eastern Ghouta, Syrian government troops have found containers with chlorine – the most horrible kind of chemical weapons – from Germany, and also smoke grenades produced – please pay attention [to this] – in the city of Salisbury, the UK,” Zakharova told a news conference in Moscow on Thursday."

Someone needs to tell the Russian FM spokes-person that April Fool's Day was 19 days ago


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Re: The Russian/Syrian connection thread
« Reply #1188 on: April 19, 2018, 10:21:49 AM »
Breaking News, RT are reporting that the Kremlin Foreign Ministery spokes person Maria Zakharova is claiming the rebels were using 'smoke canisters made in Salisbury' :) )

“In the liberated areas of Eastern Ghouta, Syrian government troops have found containers with chlorine – the most horrible kind of chemical weapons – from Germany, and also smoke grenades produced – please pay attention [to this] – in the city of Salisbury, the UK,” Zakharova told a news conference in Moscow on Thursday."


I believe her. They have found evidence of chemical weapons from Salisbury.





Now Russia is drawing Germany into it as well? They really don't know when to shut up....

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Re: The Russian/Syrian connection thread
« Reply #1189 on: April 19, 2018, 11:03:01 AM »
Of course you can take the test theory one step further. Putin knew of the coming attack and deduced that the attack was really a 'test' of the Russian missile defense capability so Putin ordered the Russian missile batteries to stand down. This would account for the fact that, according to the Americans, none of their missiles were intercepted.

Russia had developed a jamming defense against satellite-guided missiles such as the tomahawks. Much like those radar jamming defense system. Since tomahawks fly below radar detection, such a defense is key against tomahawks. That likely explains why British and French warplane joined the US attack to see what and how that defense mechanism's limitations/capabilities are if met with a deployment of a multi-guided missile attack.

MSM had been trying to refute Pearson Sharp's report from yesterday. Sharp is in Douma at the present time and this is his current report from ground zero in support of his citation.

http://www.oann.com/watch-pearson-sharp-refutes-msm-reports-of-chemical-weapons-attack-in-douma/
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Re: The Russian/Syrian connection thread
« Reply #1190 on: April 19, 2018, 11:09:16 AM »
Once upon a time,  General Anatoly Kuntsevich, was Yeltsin's adviser on chemical and biological disarmament.
Well actually that was his “day job”, his highly lucrative night job was selling Russia’s nerve gas production knowledge to Syria. Especially the nerve agent novichok, a few hundred kg of novichok can kill 50% of the population in one square kilometer!  General Anatoly Kuntsevich made millions $$$ from Syria for setting up production labs for chemical weapons, this is a matter of public record, even in Russia. you know the intelligence is legit if he got wacked by Mossad along with another retired Russian general, Yury Ivanov, who was killed IN SYRIA!!

so it’s public record that Russian generals either going rogue or under the likely approval of top Kremlin leaders established Syria’s chemical weapons program, with a focus on novichok, google General Anatoly Kuntsevich and see.

it’s also now a matter of public record that the salisbury novichok came from the General Anatoly Kuntsevich facility in Syria

Russia not only directly responsible for creating Syria’s chemical weapons program, but is accessing it and deploying it in western countries

why are we not at war already?

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Re: The Russian/Syrian connection thread
« Reply #1191 on: April 19, 2018, 01:46:55 PM »
Sounds like the US and Ukraine are pushing Russia out of India's military arms market. In addition to the sanctions this will probably hurt them a bit more. I wasn't aware that India made up 12% of all Arms purchases globally.

http://www.defensenews.com/opinion/commentary/2018/04/17/ukraine-us-are-kicking-russia-out-of-indias-defense-market/

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Re: The Russian/Syrian connection thread
« Reply #1192 on: April 19, 2018, 01:48:26 PM »
No idea where you are reading that except for the Russian trolls. The French report has been declassified.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-syria-france-intellige/french-declassified-intelligence-report-on-syria-gas-attacks-idUSKBN1HL0N1

I really don't expect an impartial report from western powers that want Assad out.    I wouldn't be surprised if chemicals released were planned to look like they came from Assad forces.  It makes very good strategic sense if it were. 

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Re: The Russian/Syrian connection thread
« Reply #1193 on: April 19, 2018, 11:59:40 PM »
What happens if the Syrian conflict leads to open warfare between the US and Russia? According to this article Russia doesn't stand a chance if the war is fought strictly with conventional weapons. Of course if the war goes nuclear we're all f****d.

http://theconversation.com/could-the-us-win-world-war-iii-without-using-nuclear-weapons-94771

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Re: The Russian/Syrian connection thread
« Reply #1194 on: April 20, 2018, 12:10:20 AM »
what worries me is that Putin feels public pressure for" Pay Back" after the Russian contractors were killed by US forces...
I don't think Putin wants an actual war with the US, but he may miscalculate, hope he doesn't do in this country what he's done in the UK

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Re: The Russian/Syrian connection thread
« Reply #1195 on: May 10, 2018, 12:58:26 PM »
The Russian Pantsir S1 against Western capabilities.



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Re: The Russian/Syrian connection thread
« Reply #1196 on: May 25, 2018, 01:41:20 PM »
More info coming out on the Russian "mercs" that attacked our special forces in Syria.

"American military officials repeatedly warned about the growing mass of troops. But Russian military officials said they had no control over the fighters assembling near the river — even though American surveillance equipment monitoring radio transmissions had revealed the ground force was speaking in Russian"

"For the first 15 minutes, American military officials called their Russian counterparts and urged them to stop the attack"


http://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/24/world/middleeast/american-commandos-russian-mercenaries-syria.html

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Re: The Russian/Syrian connection thread
« Reply #1197 on: May 25, 2018, 02:53:40 PM »
"For the first 15 minutes, American military officials called their Russian counterparts and urged them to stop the attack"

http://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/24/world/middleeast/american-commandos-russian-mercenaries-syria.html


Impressive victory considering the Americans hesitated. Sec of Defense Mattis called his Russian counterpart and the Russian insisted it wasn't Russian forces attacking. Mattis ordered the annihilation of the attackers.

I'm sure the Russian government knew where Wagner was at at all times. I suspect they wanted to test Russian ground troops against Delta Force, Green Berets, Marines, and Rangers. They've tested their equipment against ours. Syria is a great place for testing and understand how Russian will fare in a larger scale war against America.
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Re: The Russian/Syrian connection thread
« Reply #1198 on: May 25, 2018, 03:06:15 PM »
They've tested their equipment against ours. Syria is a great place for testing and understand how Russian will fare in a larger scale war against America.


Yes, it's a playground for the World's militaries right now. Israel recently tested our fighters against Russian equipment and drones are being played with by all sides.
Looks like we are still years ahead of everyone.

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Re: The Russian/Syrian connection thread
« Reply #1199 on: May 25, 2018, 07:17:52 PM »

Russia has some of the best intelligence in the world and they give intelligence to Syria and Wagner. Someday the young Syrian and Russian men who survived that battle will understand their leaders knew the situation and sent them into a fight with America's elite soldiers and into an area where America had control of the skies. They will someday understand they were used as guinea pigs.
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