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« Reply #25 on: January 19, 2018, 09:31:31 AM »
Trench stop giving out bad advice as usual.  The guy said he doesnt' want to go to Russia.  Did you even read that?

You spew nonsense about UK laws regarding visas.

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« Reply #26 on: January 19, 2018, 10:20:56 AM »
Trench stop giving out bad advice as usual.  The guy said he doesnt' want to go to Russia.  Did you even read that?

You spew nonsense about UK laws regarding visas.

You wouldn't know Sting since you are Canadian. You just don't get it, he has to meet up with her again or she won't be able to get in based of a meeting two years ago.

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« Reply #27 on: January 19, 2018, 10:29:59 AM »
You wouldn't know Sting since you are Canadian. You just don't get it, he has to meet up with her again or she won't be able to get in based of a meeting two years ago.

dude you didn't even read the thread.  She can get a General visa as a tourist.  You are just thinking if she's coming in as a spouse.

She doesn't even need to say she's going to visit him, just that she's on vacation. 

I lived in the UK.  True my Canadian passport gave me easy passage, one of the perks of being a Commonwealth country. 

I know several Russian people who visited the UK with no problem.

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« Reply #28 on: January 19, 2018, 10:39:51 AM »
If the UK is like Canada, she will have to prove she has a job, an apartment, and money in the bank, or her visa application likely will be denied. 


moby has done this, so he may be the best person here to give advice on this topic.
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« Reply #29 on: January 19, 2018, 11:29:13 AM »
dude you didn't even read the thread.  She can get a General visa as a tourist.  You are just thinking if she's coming in as a spouse.

She doesn't even need to say she's going to visit him, just that she's on vacation. 

I lived in the UK.  True my Canadian passport gave me easy passage, one of the perks of being a Commonwealth country. 

I know several Russian people who visited the UK with no problem.

She doesn't need to say she us going to visit him but this will mean she will have to prove that she has even greater financial resources. She can either apply on her own status or joint with his but financial status and will to return has to be proved. Yes some Russians go to UK on holiday but they have proved financial status/will to return. It's not that easy for most Russians. It's not like just saying 'hey I just want to see Big Ben let me in'. I am not getting it confused with spouse visa that has English tests attached but in some ways is less hassle. It why I said to the last girl I was with that it's as much work if not more to get a tourist/general visa than one where you are married. Alternatively she could try for a student visa but again she is unlikely to qualify for that either. Boethius has git it exactly right, the points she states are the same criteria here also.

Stuff can be sorted over time usually one way or another but a lot of people seem to walk around thinking this sort of thing can be sorted overnight as they wish it so it cannot. They seem to refuse to accept that it can not be sorted to their immediate need. I don't know where this sort of thinking comes from  :-\

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« Reply #30 on: January 19, 2018, 03:05:05 PM »
It might sound like I underestimate the difficulty.

I don't.

A little backstory on myself: My original plan leaving Brazil was to stay in the US. I went to college there, but after that failed to obtain a visa to stay. Moved back to Brazil and plan B was going to Canada. Got accepted into a second school there but govt rejected the student visa.
Having the Portuguese passport, I just didn't unpack, changed my plane ticket to the UK and boom. Here I am.

So, I have had experience and I'm fully aware of how strict immigration policy can be. I'm just trying to focus on how to get her here.

That said, let's think about another scenario: A person in Russia, who has a vacation coming up, wants to visit the UK. Strictly as a tourist, to visit the country and see stuff in it, then come back.
They can't??? This sounds so ridiculous to me that a person wants to visit a country and can't.
Now, I understand countries need to protect themselves to some extent against dishonest immigrants and just people who think they can waltz in and already start breaking laws...
But come on, it can't be THAT hard.

I'll ask again: Let's focus on helping me do this. Instead of trying to convince me to do something else.

Jesus how hard can this be?

http://www.gov.uk/standard-visitor-visa/eligibility

http://www.gov.uk/guidance/immigration-rules/immigration-rules-appendix-v-visitor-rules

Immigration lawyer would probably cite you more or less the same stuff. Most of the information can be found online.

As written down in Part V4, especially Parts V4.2 & V4.3, you need proof that there is:

Genuine intention to visit
V 4.2 The applicant must satisfy the decision maker that they are a genuine visitor. This means that the applicant:
(a) will leave the UK at the end of their visit; and
(b) will not live in the UK for extended periods through frequent or successive visits, or make the UK their main home; and
(c) is genuinely seeking entry for a purpose that is permitted by the visitor routes (these are listed in Appendices 3, 4 and 5); and
(d) will not undertake any prohibited activities set out in V 4.5 Ė V 4.10; and
(e) must have sufficient funds to cover all reasonable costs in relation to their visit without working or accessing public funds. This includes the cost of the return or onward journey, any costs relating to dependants, and the cost of planned activities such as private medical treatment.

Funds, maintenance and accommodation provided by a third party

V 4.3 A visitorís travel, maintenance and accommodation may be provided by a third party where the decision maker is satisfied that they:
(a) have a genuine professional or personal relationship with the visitor; and
(b) are not, or will not be, in breach of UK immigration laws at the time of decision or the visitorís entry to the UK; and
(c) can and will provide support to the visitor for the intended duration of their stay.

So yes, as fellow poster msmob has repeatedly advised and alluded to, it is by far more advisable that you FLY to Russia first even if you only see her for a few days, take a couple photos etc just to prove you're "real" friends and to make the case for her visa application stronger. You've got your Brazilian passport, so you're already way better off than us Brits who need a Visa before we can even enter Russia.

Additionally, please make sure she PRINTS OUT A COPY OF HER RETURN TICKET as proof that she will leave the UK on the specified date.

There are no shortcuts. As ridiculous as it may seem, this is the law and I haven't had a friend successfully bribe his way through Border Control. If you still prefer to invite her straightaway into the UK, then do so at your own peril.

An ALTERNATIVE, is she may apply to study in the UK. Maybe a summer english language course. That would be relatively easy, though it'll end up costing more. Or perhaps apply to visit as part of a tour group, though she wouldn't be able to stay very long if she takes that route.

There's reasons why this endeavour for a Russian woman doesn't come cheap. That said, I don't see why it's so hard to visit Russia again? In my case, I am a broke-ass unemployed postgraduate student, surviving on a meagre stipend, who has been saving up for visa and flight tickets for my next trip to Russia this coming March just to see my sweet darling again in Moscow ;D

Like you said, I'm very confident you'll make this work.  :thumbsup:
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« Reply #31 on: January 19, 2018, 04:00:24 PM »

So yes, as fellow poster msmob

Additionally, please make sure she PRINTS OUT A COPY OF HER RETURN TICKET...

Ahem... and Trenchy ;D

The return ticket is not proof she will return as those with a bit up top will buy a return even if they plan to illegally overstay. It often costs little more than a single and those with a single ticket only are giving Border Control an easy case that they are not planning to return. That said its not necessarily the case they may just not know the exact time/flight back they want. It's all rather stupid to read anything into tickets bring dingle or return as the person could be intending to leave or not either way. Still Border Control use it to knock back those with just a single ticket but they still might not accept a return ticket as proof of your intention to leave, it just avoids putting your foot in it and giving them an easy case of a possible overstay as they see it.

Other countries like the US do the same, I used to see TV programmes on their Border Control too and it's much like ours. I used to think if I wanted to live there illegally I would just by a return then just not use the return, lol. As a guy from the UK under a visa free regime I would have almost certainly gotten away with it if that were my intention. Not having a decent source of income to support me though meant this would have ultimately been a silly thing to even consider anyway.

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« Reply #32 on: January 19, 2018, 05:37:54 PM »
Jesus how hard can this be?

http://www.gov.uk/standard-visitor-visa/eligibility

http://www.gov.uk/guidance/immigration-rules/immigration-rules-appendix-v-visitor-rules

Immigration lawyer would probably cite you more or less the same stuff. Most of the information can be found online.

As written down in Part V4, especially Parts V4.2 & V4.3, you need proof that there is:

Genuine intention to visit
V 4.2 The applicant must satisfy the decision maker that they are a genuine visitor. This means that the applicant:
(a) will leave the UK at the end of their visit; and
(b) will not live in the UK for extended periods through frequent or successive visits, or make the UK their main home; and
(c) is genuinely seeking entry for a purpose that is permitted by the visitor routes (these are listed in Appendices 3, 4 and 5); and
(d) will not undertake any prohibited activities set out in V 4.5 Ė V 4.10; and
(e) must have sufficient funds to cover all reasonable costs in relation to their visit without working or accessing public funds. This includes the cost of the return or onward journey, any costs relating to dependants, and the cost of planned activities such as private medical treatment.

Funds, maintenance and accommodation provided by a third party

V 4.3 A visitorís travel, maintenance and accommodation may be provided by a third party where the decision maker is satisfied that they:
(a) have a genuine professional or personal relationship with the visitor; and
(b) are not, or will not be, in breach of UK immigration laws at the time of decision or the visitorís entry to the UK; and
(c) can and will provide support to the visitor for the intended duration of their stay.

So yes, as fellow poster msmob has repeatedly advised and alluded to, it is by far more advisable that you FLY to Russia first even if you only see her for a few days, take a couple photos etc just to prove you're "real" friends and to make the case for her visa application stronger. You've got your Brazilian passport, so you're already way better off than us Brits who need a Visa before we can even enter Russia.

Additionally, please make sure she PRINTS OUT A COPY OF HER RETURN TICKET as proof that she will leave the UK on the specified date.

There are no shortcuts. As ridiculous as it may seem, this is the law and I haven't had a friend successfully bribe his way through Border Control. If you still prefer to invite her straightaway into the UK, then do so at your own peril.

An ALTERNATIVE, is she may apply to study in the UK. Maybe a summer english language course. That would be relatively easy, though it'll end up costing more. Or perhaps apply to visit as part of a tour group, though she wouldn't be able to stay very long if she takes that route.

There's reasons why this endeavour for a Russian woman doesn't come cheap. That said, I don't see why it's so hard to visit Russia again? In my case, I am a broke-ass unemployed postgraduate student, surviving on a meagre stipend, who has been saving up for visa and flight tickets for my next trip to Russia this coming March just to see my sweet darling again in Moscow ;D

Like you said, I'm very confident you'll make this work.  :thumbsup:

Finally someone truly wanting to help out. Thank you VERY MUCH for this response.

I guess I should go into more detail about why I don't want to go to Russia.

Reason #1:
I moved to the UK in September. Don't have a job yet. I have savings from running my own recording studio for 10 years in Brazil plus some production work in the US and Europe.
I have about 10 job applications out there right now, and at least a couple should pop up anytime. I have to be here for this, and if they want me to start right away, I obviously can't be out of the country. And when I do get a job, I won't be able to take a vacation anytime soon, so... there.

Reason #2:
She has roommates in Russia. The plane ticket is the same price for me to go there, or for her to come here. But if I go there I must also spend money on lodging. If she comes here she can just stay with me, instead of a pointless expense on a hotel.

Reason #3:
If I'm going over there to make a stronger case for the border patrol, how stronger would it be if we only have pictures that are so recent? For all they know, I could've just met her a month ago instead of 2 years ago. I don't see how this would be reason enough to go to Russia take pictures with her.

Reason #4:
I don't need to go to ascertain her intentions, as I've made clear. If I didn't trust her I wouldn't be considering this at all. I've been tricked, cheated and misled before. This is not that.

Reason #5:
I've been to Moscow. I've seen what I wanted to see there.
She hasn't been to the UK.
Makes way more sense to take a trip that's new, rather than a repeat one.

So, about the student visa:
That was actually my first idea to get her to come. Sign her up for an English course, get a letter of acceptance from the school, and boom.
But, it turns out that for a course to warrant a visa, it has to be full time and last a while, which is fine, except for how much this would COST.
Why do it this way and spend upwards of £5k, when I can apply for the general visitor visa and spend less than £1k? And she can still stay for 6 months on that one anyway.

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« Reply #33 on: January 19, 2018, 05:51:07 PM »
Ok now we're getting somewhere.


As for visiting her there again, that's a nope because I don't see a reason, as I've stated before.[/quote]

You asked for help and won't listen to the advice of someone who's done this ? ... ;)

The rest of your post is therefore moribund ..I'm outta here((
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« Reply #34 on: January 19, 2018, 06:14:03 PM »

As for visiting her there again, that's a nope because I don't see a reason, as I've stated before.

You asked for help and won't listen to the advice of someone who's done this ? ... ;)

The rest of your post is therefore moribund ..I'm outta here((

I asked for help getting her here. Tell me how going to Russia right now would help, since, as I stated in my latest post, that would only get us RECENT pictures together, which, if I was a border patrol officer, would make me think even MORE that she plans to stay here.

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« Reply #35 on: January 19, 2018, 06:36:58 PM »
Also, since a "specialist" was mentioned...

Does anyone know of one? Like a professional, a lawyer who knows all the ins and outs of UK visa law, who can just take care of this? Preferably one who's done this exact thing before.

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« Reply #36 on: January 19, 2018, 07:34:40 PM »

Reason #3:
If I'm going over there to make a stronger case for the border patrol, how stronger would it be if we only have pictures that are so recent? For all they know, I could've just met her a month ago instead of 2 years ago. I don't see how this would be reason enough to go to Russia take pictures with her.

So, about the student visa:
That was actually my first idea to get her to come. Sign her up for an English course, get a letter of acceptance from the school, and boom.
But, it turns out that for a course to warrant a visa, it has to be full time and last a while, which is fine, except for how much this would COST.
Why do it this way and spend upwards of £5k, when I can apply for the general visitor visa and spend less than £1k? And she can still stay for 6 months on that one anyway.

Fair enough. As mentioned earlier, here are some of your options:

For the scenarios that 100% do not require proof of recent relationship for a general visa:

1. Student Path - If, she applies for a general visa for the purpose of studying in the UK, (i.e short English course), usually the school sponsors her in and takes care of much of the paperwork, and yes indeed, as you said, "boom", she'll be in the UK in a jiffy so long as she has demonstrated she has enough for the fees.

2. Short Stay Tourist Path - If, she joins a tour operated by one of those Russian tour operators and visit the UK as a tourist. Do note these have been in decline as business hasn't been good. Issue here is she won't be able to stay very long.

For the scenario that requires at least some proof of recent relationship for a visa:

3. Visit Friend Path: You sponsoring her as a visitor into the UK. Obviously you'll probably need to sponsor her since she hasn't firmly established herself in Russia, with no bank account, no bank statements and no employment record, for now. To make the sponsorship legitimate, you'll have to prove there's a sustained relationship between the two of you. Eg. phone numbers, proof that you visited her or she visited you recently, etc etc you may even be asked to come down to the immigration office. More importantly, she needs to know a decent level of english.

Hence,

Option 1 - Advantage: No proof of relationship needed. Applications quite routine and usually successful. Drawback: A bit pricey?
Option 2 - Advantage: No proof of relationship needed. Cheap. Drawback: She won't be able to spend a long time with you.
Option 3 - Advantage: Cheapest. Drawback: Need you as a sponsor, and proof of relationship. Riskiest, based on your and her current situation. And if the 1st application is bounced, I have no idea if her name will be red flagged on the immigration list, making subsequent applications harder to succeed. Border Control Officer makes the final call.

Just my general take on it. Your options. Your choice. Entirely up to you how you want to go about this. Pay a little more premium for ease of mind, or risk it.

I know no expert that I can recommend, but I'm sure you'll find one easily. Best of luck and I hope you do succeed in meeting her in the UK, eventually. Ah, and do share with us the experience if you can! Perhaps a Trip Report. We can all learn something. :popcorn:

Best wishes

Some entertainment, visa-free Canadian though. :P
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« Reply #37 on: January 19, 2018, 07:43:18 PM »
If you decide to precede, book a return ticket. Our department of immigration said it's another piece of evidence that's builds your case. Don't make any claims that are untrue, like you have talked regularly for the last two years or she may never get a visa again. Most importantly for your relationship, be honest with her so she is prepared for the worst case scenario. Honestly you probably have a 10% chance she will be approved.

The woman I'm conversing with, was very offended that her visa was rejected for a few days. She was a little happier after talking to a visa specialist in Russia and found that hardly any Russian visas were being granted late last year. She also read several Russian visa forums that indicated the same.

As far as money goes, it's a different situation, but in total we had $7000 designated for two weeks, but would have only spent half of that. Our visa department indicated she should have at least $3000 in her bank for her holiday.

Recently I read an article about an Australian man who got a Russian woman pregnant and then they got engaged. Her visa was rejected also. I's never a sure thing.

You have nothing  to lose, but a little time and money and hopefully you're successful, but don't be disappointed if it gets rejected.
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« Reply #38 on: January 19, 2018, 08:37:43 PM »
Hmmm.

It's looking more and more like my first idea was the best one.
Study visa seems to be the way to go. More expensive but better odds. I'm a fan of this.
I'll do some research and report back, I'm sure more people can benefit.
Keep it coming guys!

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« Reply #39 on: January 19, 2018, 08:45:39 PM »
Also THAT VIDEO!!!!

"We're gonna do some heroin, cocaine, and then we're opening a brothel here".

AHAHAHAHAHAH MY GOD

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« Reply #40 on: January 19, 2018, 09:31:58 PM »
Rod, getting her a visa for a tourist visit to stay with you will be utterly hopeless if you are unemployed also with no income. It basically condemns that path to failure.

Visiting her in Russia is likely to cost a bit say about £1k for a week adding an extra £500 for each week thereafter. Flights aren't real expensive but by the time you add accommodation, in city travel expenses, food, any entertainment, medical insurance etc it all adds up.

If option 1 had any go in it you would show documentation of your visit along with documentation of your visit two years ago, airline invoices etc not just photos. It all helps to show a sustained relationship over time, but yes they could have a negative take on it. So in future if you get w job bear this in mind.

The student path is probably your best hope but courses may run into thousands since it is at international rate and seen as a lucrative market. Although you have savings it sounds like this option would eat through them. She is highly unlikely to have the money. You could hunt around for a cheap establishment. I'm not sure that even this is an option that will go smoothly for you though.

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« Reply #41 on: January 19, 2018, 09:41:11 PM »
Finally someone truly wanting to help out. Thank you VERY MUCH for this response.

I guess I should go into more detail about why I don't want to go to Russia.

Reason #1:
Don't have a job yet.

Reason #2:
The plane ticket is the same price for me to go there, or for her to come here.

Reason #3:
For all they know, I could've just met her a month ago instead of 2 years ago. I don't see how this would be reason enough to go to Russia take pictures with her.

Reason #4:
I don't need to go to ascertain her intentions, as I've made clear. If I didn't trust her I wouldn't be considering this at all. I've been tricked, cheated and misled before. This is not that.

Reason #5:
I've been to Moscow. I've seen what I wanted to see there.
She hasn't been to the UK.
Makes way more sense to take a trip that's new, rather than a repeat one.

except for how much this would COST.
Why do it this way and spend upwards of £5k, when I can apply for the general visitor visa and spend less than £1k? And she can still stay for 6 months on that one anyway.

It looks like you are thinking about this all wrong.

First you need a job.

You need to stop thinking about getting her a visa to visit you. You need to visit
her because you can without a mile of red tape and you haven't seen her for two
years.

You need to get a job and make some money, work weekends if necessary to
save more money and see if you can't get some extra time off by doing so.

Build the relationship and get to know the girl.

I can't believe that others are advising you to try and get her a visa which
likely won't work out when you can get a visa and on a plane for peanuts.
Renting an apartment on airbnb isn't that expensive. 

If this is too expensive for you now, get your affairs in order so that you can
afford it.

FSUW are not for entry level daters
FSUW don't do vague
FSUW like a man of action. Be a man of action 
If you find a promising girl, get your butt on a plane.
There are a hundred ways to be successful and a thousand ways to f#ck it up
Kiss the girl, don't ask her first.

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« Reply #42 on: January 20, 2018, 06:50:17 AM »
Again, let's focus.

I have made up my mind that she's coming here.

I have crossed the threshold of defending this against the ones who don't think it's a good idea.

If anyone here thinks bringing her is not the way to go or won't work, stop posting right now.
For the rest of you who actually wants to help out, please keep contributing with ideas. This is actually helping!

I AM getting a job first. I'm assuming any visa route I go will take the government a while to process it. From what I've seen, it can take up to 3 months.
A lot can happen in that time. But one thing that will definitely NOT happen, is for me to have time off from whatever job I get, to go to Russia. So this would be impossible even if I WANTED to go there first. Which I don't.

Anyone got a lead on a lawyer/company? I've found a few online but they wanna charge me £150 just for a consult. Nope.

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« Reply #43 on: January 20, 2018, 09:39:24 AM »
Man, this guy is actually tighter than me :D

Rod you know £150 for a consult with a lawyer is the least of your worries. Whichever way you cut this it is going to cost and you are going to be the one paying. As is often said on here getting with a FSW is not a poor man's game. ML often states the need to build up financial strength. You don't need to be super rich and a few that are relatively poor manage it but if you are ruling out going to Russia where you don't even need to apply or pay for a visa as you are Brazilian you are ruling out the poor man's main route.

Remember a General Visa will cost you £150 for her and that is before all other expenses if this would work which at the moment is unlikely. There is also no saying you will get a job in the near future here, people can stay our of work a long time here, the longer they are out of work the harder it tends to be to get work. Your attitude to me tends to make me think that you would be open to her illegally overstaying as why make all the ordeal otherwise. Work wise if you were in your jobs for at least 6 months, more preferably a year or more and your & her finances improved a lot as a result including her getting a bank account then this option of bringing her here might improve but still no guarantees.

It's kind of strange you have a similar attitude to the last girl I was with in terms of getting visa for the UK - a kind of self denial that it is not possible in the current situation. No matter how hard the arguing still there was a attitude that it is somehow possible. Where does this come from?

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« Reply #44 on: January 20, 2018, 09:47:09 AM »
No matter how hard the arguing still there was a attitude that it is somehow possible. Where does this come from?

Desire for sex with a hot gal (or any gal) can be so strong as to rule over any logic.
The burden that some men must contend with.

Or as Winston would say:  The burden that with some men must contend.
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I still like Ike.

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« Reply #45 on: January 20, 2018, 10:19:20 AM »
Desire for sex with a hot gal (or any gal) can be so strong as to rule over any logic.
The burden that some men must contend with.

Or as Winston would say:  The burden with that some men must contend.

Plenty of hot gals in the UK, and in Brazil too for that matter. And for a LOT cheaper and less labor intensive and time consuming than getting a russian girl into this country. That's not it mate.

I've decided to go the study visa route. Her English does need work, and I've found a great school I know from Boston, a friend went to visit me there and studied with them, they are a big company that's worldwide and their prices are fair (£1000 for a month long course).
They are also flexible with the duration, meaning they can extend the course if we decided she wants to keep going.

I've contacted them and the next step is checking if they take care of the visa documentation, as I know some schools do. At least the part about the letter of acceptance, etc.

And then, I just need to allow time for the government to process the visa and set a start date.
Will keep you gentlemen posted.

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« Reply #46 on: January 20, 2018, 10:24:01 AM »
Man, this guy is actually tighter than me :D

Rod you know £150 for a consult with a lawyer is the least of your worries. Whichever way you cut this it is going to cost and you are going to be the one paying. As is often said on here getting with a FSW is not a poor man's game. ML often states the need to build up financial strength. You don't need to be super rich and a few that are relatively poor manage it but if you are ruling out going to Russia where you don't even need to apply or pay for a visa as you are Brazilian you are ruling out the poor man's main route.

Remember a General Visa will cost you £150 for her and that is before all other expenses if this would work which at the moment is unlikely. There is also no saying you will get a job in the near future here, people can stay our of work a long time here, the longer they are out of work the harder it tends to be to get work. Your attitude to me tends to make me think that you would be open to her illegally overstaying as why make all the ordeal otherwise. Work wise if you were in your jobs for at least 6 months, more preferably a year or more and your & her finances improved a lot as a result including her getting a bank account then this option of bringing her here might improve but still no guarantees.

It's kind of strange you have a similar attitude to the last girl I was with in terms of getting visa for the UK - a kind of self denial that it is not possible in the current situation. No matter how hard the arguing still there was a attitude that it is somehow possible. Where does this come from?

The money itself is not the issue.
The issue is spending it the right way. £150 on a conversation with a lawyer is not worth it, in my opinion.
£1000 on a one month English course for my girl? Worth it, yes.
See, it's almost ten times more money, but she gets something GOOD out of it.
Because even if things ultimately don't work out between us, she still walks away with something which makes me happy. We have to consider she's risking everything to come here and try this out with me. If it doesn't work, I'm in the UK, well and good, but for her it sucks because she needs to go back to Russia and probably won't have a job anymore since she left for a month.
Whereas the lawyer won't tell me anything I don't already know, except for maybe a couple legal loopholes he might know about.

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« Reply #47 on: January 20, 2018, 04:27:36 PM »
Slaps head to forehead

Guy asks for adviCe .. gets it from someone who has worn the same t-shirt and starts talking about 'student visas' - when he can get her in as his wife on the EU route ..

I mean there's 'no point going to see her' ( you know better than all the members and govt 's Visa officers) - so just pay for her take a trip to Cyprus and get married, there...and apply for the family permit visa and we can observe the train-crash in slow motion ....

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« Reply #48 on: January 20, 2018, 05:35:41 PM »
I don't even know if I understand half of what you said... wife? Nobody said anything about going for a spouse visa. Not once.

What the hell does Cyprus have to do with anything?

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« Reply #49 on: January 20, 2018, 11:55:23 PM »
I believe that mob is saying, you're literally beating a dead horse given your combined circumstances, to try to get any type of visa. If you won't spend some time with her in Russia to improve your chances, getting married is your only option to get her into the UK.

I don't really have the experience other guys do to be giving advice, but for the last 4 weeks I've been reading everything I can and even asking visa specialists for their advice. It's far tougher than you think, even in my situation with a woman who's established and financially independent. I'm starting to see there's still only a small chance of getting her here on a tourist visa,  even if I can prove a legitimate relationship, this is why most of the guys here get engaged before they attempt to bring her to visit their country.

I made the mistake of reading about all the guys who had failed before and thinking it was a different situation for me. ML justifiably made this comment when I failed...

"Weren't you warned to have her avoid telling of relationship (of any kind) with  a man in your country?
We have issued plenty of warnings here over the years on this topic"

Trust me you will be back here in several months with egg on your face like me  ;)
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