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RWD Discussion Groups => Starting Out => Topic started by: ML on April 19, 2012, 11:12:32 AM

Title: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: ML on April 19, 2012, 11:12:32 AM
Pursuing FSUW 101.  Below are the basics.

First, avoid all agencies and any websites that require pay per contacting each woman and/or pay per each letter.

Second, go to these websites:

http://singles.ru/ (http://singles.ru/)
http://www.luckylovers.net/ (http://www.luckylovers.net/)
http://www.rbrides.com/ (http://www.rbrides.com/)
http://www.ukrainedate.com/ (http://www.ukrainedate.com/)
http://www.allsinglerussiangirls.com/ (http://www.allsinglerussiangirls.com/)
http://freepersonals.ru/ (http://freepersonals.ru/)
http://bride.ru/ (http://bride.ru/)
http://fdating.com (http://fdating.com/)
http://www.1vipdating.com/ (http://www.1vipdating.com/)
http://freeukrainianwomen.com/ (http://freeukrainianwomen.com/)
http://okfreedating.net/ (http://okfreedating.net/)
http://luckylifepartner.com/ (http://luckylifepartner.com/)
http://www.weblovefinder.com/ (http://www.weblovefinder.com/)

The below are in Russian language.
 
 http://www.edarling.ru/ (http://www.edarling.ru/)
 http://vmireznakomstv.ru/ (http://vmireznakomstv.ru/)
 http://www.your-ideal.com/ (http://www.your-ideal.com/)
 http://www.24open.ru/ (http://www.24open.ru/)
 http://loveplanet.ru/ (http://loveplanet.ru/)
 http://www.maybe.ru/ (http://www.maybe.ru/)
 http://znakomstva-sitelove.ru/ (http://znakomstva-sitelove.ru/)

Go to the above free and monthly cost ($19-30) dating websites.  Make up a nice profile of yourself.  Use the search engines to find about 800 - 1,000 women who are in the age range you want and have the education, height, weight, language, children, drinking, smoking, etc., parameters that you desire and are in a single target geographical area.

Do this screening first rather than look at pictures first.  After you have done the screening; then look at the pictures.

When you are two months away from your trip departure time, then start sending out your first message.

Send a generic but well written introductory message to all with each individual name typed at the top.

Of those  who reply, filter out all who make you worry in any way or give you concerns.

Send second generic but well written letter to all with their individual names typed at the top.  Modify it a bit to answer any questions that an individual woman may have asked.  Yes, this takes a lot of time.

Repeat these procedures over about 6-8 weekly emails and you will have narrowed down your list to 15-30 gals.  You can continue to use a generic letter for each successive mailing, but be sure to modify it a bit to answer specific questions any gal may have asked and to ask specific questions of your own related to the family, interests, jobs, etc., of each individual woman.  Yes, this takes a lot of time, but each week you will be cutting your list down. 

Finalize your trip plans and start scheduling the women into time slots.

If you follow the above procedure, you will not have the need to ask us questions about scammers, etc., as you will have filtered out all scammers.  And if any of the women you are writing to give you any sheeeeet or cause you any concern at all, or ask for money for ANYTHING you simply drop them off your lists and continue on.
Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: Daveman on April 19, 2012, 11:23:53 AM

Excellent topic...


Sticky mode activated.  Let's reserve this thread for information only...
Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: ML on June 14, 2012, 10:38:12 AM
Here is another to add to this list of Free or Monthly cost.

http://badoo.com/help/

I haven't used it, but others here said they did to satisfactory results.
Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: ML on January 22, 2013, 09:01:29 PM
Another to add to the list.

RussianCupid isn't a pay per letter site.   
This is pay monthly membership. 
You pay, say $30 a month for unlimited letters.

CDW
Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: steveboy on July 23, 2013, 10:20:21 AM
Pursuing FSUW 101.  Below are the basics.

First, avoid all agencies and any websites that require pay per contacting each woman and/or pay per each letter.

Second, go to these websites:

http://singles.ru/ (http://singles.ru/)
http://www.luckylovers.net/ (http://www.luckylovers.net/)
http://www.rbrides.com/ (http://www.rbrides.com/)
http://www.ukrainedate.com/ (http://www.ukrainedate.com/)
http://www.allsinglerussiangirls.com/ (http://www.allsinglerussiangirls.com/)
http://freepersonals.ru/ (http://freepersonals.ru/)
http://bride.ru/ (http://bride.ru/)
http://fdating.com (http://fdating.com/)
http://www.1vipdating.com/ (http://www.1vipdating.com/)
http://freeukrainianwomen.com/ (http://freeukrainianwomen.com/)
http://okfreedating.net/ (http://okfreedating.net/)
http://luckylifepartner.com/ (http://luckylifepartner.com/)
http://www.weblovefinder.com/ (http://www.weblovefinder.com/)

The below are in Russian language.
 
 http://www.edarling.ru/ (http://www.edarling.ru/)
 http://vmireznakomstv.ru/ (http://vmireznakomstv.ru/)
 http://www.your-ideal.com/ (http://www.your-ideal.com/)
 http://www.24open.ru/ (http://www.24open.ru/)
 http://loveplanet.ru/ (http://loveplanet.ru/)
 http://www.maybe.ru/ (http://www.maybe.ru/)
 http://znakomstva-sitelove.ru/ (http://znakomstva-sitelove.ru/)

Go to the above free and monthly cost ($19-30) dating websites.  Make up a nice profile of yourself.  Use the search engines to find about 800 - 1,000 women who are in the age range you want and have the education, height, weight, language, children, drinking, smoking, etc., parameters that you desire and are in a single target geographical area.

Do this screening first rather than look at pictures first.  After you have done the screening; then look at the pictures.

When you are two months away from your trip departure time, then start sending out your first message.

Send a generic but well written introductory message to all with each individual name typed at the top.

Of those  who reply, filter out all who make you worry in any way or give you concerns.

Send second generic but well written letter to all with their individual names typed at the top.  Modify it a bit to answer any questions that an individual woman may have asked.  Yes, this takes a lot of time.

Repeat these procedures over about 6-8 weekly emails and you will have narrowed down your list to 15-30 gals.  You can continue to use a generic letter for each successive mailing, but be sure to modify it a bit to answer specific questions any gal may have asked and to ask specific questions of your own related to the family, interests, jobs, etc., of each individual woman.  Yes, this takes a lot of time, but each week you will be cutting your list down. 

Finalize your trip plans and start scheduling the women into time slots.

If you follow the above procedure, you will not have the need to ask us questions about scammers, etc., as you will have filtered out all scammers.  And if any of the women you are writing to give you any sheeeeet or cause you any concern at all, or ask for money for ANYTHING you simply drop them off your lists and continue on.


Bride.ru was once upon a time a quality site I was a gold member there for several years and met many many women from there. Unfortunately now they have little more than a hand full of new women registering each week, and if you actually take a good look at how they are positioning the women many women who registered even several years back are put to the front of the site. Unfortunately the site has lost track, they never pay their affiliates and over time this has caught up with them and is reflected in their traffic. Well over priced for a dwindling list of women.

Rbrides.com was also not a bad place to catch a few ladies SEVERAL YEARS back, though the site has always been infested with scammers in general if you used your common sense you could pick up some dates there. But as of recent years the site has also declined, the site also has very few women registering at this site as of recent probably just a few dozen a week, if you are a Gold member you only need to check the new members each week to see the poor sign up rate from women. The site also has zero customer service whatsoever. Scammers are never removed they are encouraged. Typical russian managed site. Take the money and run.

Your list of recommended sites is well outdated. I would suggest you sign up to several and do some thorough research before recommending them, in particular the two I have just mentioned.

Though I totally agree with your recommended approach to contacting women on these and other sites.




Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: Ukraine_Brides on August 05, 2013, 12:10:45 AM
It's true - I share with you my experience)
I was looking for about four years and have tried a lot of sites.
Now we already have a little girl)))
I'mjust want to tell you before you coming to Ukraine - it is good to get to know each other in Skype or other video messager)
Wish all of you good luck!
Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: 2tallbill on September 21, 2013, 01:52:45 PM

I would add

http://www.mamba.ru/ (http://www.mamba.ru/)


There are over 680,000 people online right now.


Udachi !


Bill
Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: lordtiberius on September 21, 2013, 05:46:08 PM
great thread
Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: ukthesis on December 06, 2013, 08:37:40 AM
Thanks for the advice.  I got stuck on Tau2, which is a pay per contact address (per email) service that was recommended, and ended up paying over £100 (about $150) for the emails of just several women.  This made me VERY nervous about contacting any of the others, even if they could have been great companions, simply because of the high cost involved.  Now, I am only looking for services that don't require subscribers to pay per message or pay for the contact details of the women.

Secondly, I very strongly advise those who are not already on Skype to go there.  It is the ONLY way you will have an accurate way of knowing what she is like and whether you in fact will like her if you met.  Don't forget that all this traveling is very expensive and you don't want to spend a few thousand bucks only to find that the ravishing beauty of her profile is actually overweight and not very nice in her personality.  That she hasn't much interest in you and only wants you as an escape route from poverty to the west.  In other words, using Skype is a brilliant way of deciding if she is worth a visit, and infinitely better than simply exchanging emails.

If she says she doesn't do Skype, be very careful.  I recently met on Tau2 a woman who said that she preferred to meet people the "natural" way, face to face.  She didn't believe in Skype, she said.  So I went to Cyprus to meet her on this basis.  But she was little like her photos in the flesh, and she expressed hardly any interest in me.  She did ask about the size of my house, which tells you the way she was thinking.  If I'd have insisted she first use Skype, I could have determined this without going there.

Next, don't forget that most of the women on these dating forums are working girls.  This means that they don't have time, often, to spend let's say a week from work to escort you around the place.  In addition, if the place or region she lives in hasn't much in the way of attractions, spending a whole week there is too much.

I would say that spending 2-3 nights in her home town is sufficient to gauge if you two want to meet again for a longer period.  I think most people can tell after this period of time if they are actually attracted to each other enough that the investment of more money is worthwhile.  And if you don't really get on with her, spending 2-3 nights isn't a hassle and she can pass the time with you showing you around whatever they have there without it getting very awkward for both of you, and wishing it would end and you could just fly home.

In addition, a quite common complaint is that the western men simply don't take the step of going over there to meet the women.  This seems to have made some quite cynical and suspicious.  This creates problems for those guys, like me, who are actually prepared to meet them.  To give one example, the woman in Cyprus told me I was the first man from Tau2 to actually meet her in the two years she's been a member on there.

Finally, for those without a Smartphone, I suggest you buy one.  The women I know are all quite familiar with these cellphones and most of the time expect the man to have one.  I've gone for years just with a first generation cellphone that doesn't for example, take Viber and this is something that can cause practical problems.

Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: Daz0187 on December 22, 2013, 06:38:48 PM
Hi Everyone,

I came across an E book that is like the bible to meeting and interacting with FSU women that I think new starters may get some good advice from.

If people are interested I can copy and paste sections at a time just let me know.

I found some interesting information in it and I am happy to share
Admin please let me know if this is ok?

Daz
Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: SANDRO43 on December 23, 2013, 05:36:59 AM
Hi Everyone,
I came across an E book that is like the bible to meeting and interacting with FSU women that I think new starters may get some good advice from. If people are interested I can copy and paste sections at a time just let me know. I found some interesting information in it and I am happy to share

Admin please let me know if this is ok?
Daz
Daz, I'm not Admin, but it depends on what the E book says about copyright, permission to reproduce parts of it, etc. :-\
Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: Daz0187 on December 23, 2013, 02:57:13 PM
Hi Sandro

Yes I thought the same thing thats why I asked first,
I will check it out and see if there are copy rights etc and wait for admin response before I put it on the forum.

Cheers,

Daz
Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: JayH on December 23, 2013, 03:28:49 PM
Daz--you can put title here-- it may be well known around here!! At a guess!!
Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: Daz0187 on December 23, 2013, 03:47:05 PM
No Worries JayH Ill try and find it again lol

Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: northkape on June 12, 2014, 11:38:31 AM
After a request from ML I'm posting one of my previous answers from a couple of weeks ago here.

I wouldn't waste too much time on free sites, there is too much noise, and a lot of writing for less results.

Fdate is somewhat acceptable, but still a lot of writing for less results.

Ukrainedate.com is OK,,, but a lot of fake profiles, fishing for your email address,,
which they will use for baiting you with that nice profile, and some pleasant personal letters....
When you have swallowed the bait and she has got you hooked,, your lady will try reeling you in on a pay per letter site..
A site like UADreams.com, are among those having a lot of baits out on Ukrainedate.com
If you are able to see through the baits,,, there are a lot of legit women there.

Much better is freeukrainianwomen.com
They are weeding out most fake profiles before listing them,,,,
and if someone slips through, they are usually removed within a day or two.
It is in my opinion the best dating site for finding a Ukraine woman on the Internet today.
A lot of serious women,, and you can set up a very good profile with lots of photos,,
(photos are very, very, no, actually extremely important to do right)
And they have online translation with back-translating, using google translate, + many more features..
No other site has given me more results, per hour spent on correspondence.

And I would concentrate all my searching in a relatively small geographical area, over a 3-6 months period of time.

Without a rental car,,, max radius of 200 km / 130 miles around Kiev, Moscow or St. Petersburg
With a rental car,,, max radius of 400 km / 250 miles around Kiev, Moscow or St. Petersburg

That will make it possible for you to have a short meeting with several prospects in a short amount of time.

Doing it this way, with a lot of correspondence and Skype + daily messaging,,
you should easily have a list of 5-10 very good prospects when you go there for a week or so.

You will not regret doing your homework before starting out,,,, I promise... smile
Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: hookmeup on June 26, 2014, 10:39:04 PM
Hi everyone.

I'm familiar with a dating website with a free chat room in Australia called http://www.freedatingaustralia.com.au/chat-rooms

I'm not entirely sure how many Russian ladies use the site but it's a free website.   
Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: scottiestevie on November 13, 2014, 10:17:53 PM
I'm from New York and there are a few ways to meet the women of your dreams.  I actually lived in Eastern Europe for 10 years teaching English.  Prague, Slovakia, Poland and Ukraine. This is a great way, if you have the time and no commitments back home, because it pays your way and you automatically meet lots of beautiful students who are speaking English. Plus, all the hot Ukrainian teachers who are already working in the school. That's a win-win-win!  Its even better than going out to the bars or clubs trying to find women who can speak English.  The work is done for you.  A school IS COOL.

If you can't spend years living abroad like I did, then next option is a marriage site.  Not a dating site because you cannot date a women over the ocean.  If you goal is to marry then its got to be a MARRIAGE site and you will have to travel there to meet, spend time and hopefully get engaged when you find the right one. But don't rush it guys.  It can still take a few years to find the right girl.

American owned vs Ukraine or Russian operated.  It makes a big difference.  You're gonna get more honest service if you can find a company that is run from here or at least owned by an American.

Don't pay for services that charge for every translation letter.  A good company will do it for a fixed fee or part of the membership.  And those 'chat' dating sites with 100s of hot girls are useless.  Ever notice how the girl is 'always there' to talk...even when its 4am Ukraine time.

I married a Ukraine lady and am a very happy man.  Ukraine women are top notch.  Russia gets messy with visas, travel restrictions and money exchange, but the US and Ukraine are friendly towards each other politically and for travel purposes.  Americans don't even need a visa to travel to Ukraine, but Russia you do.

Here are my two best sites I can recommend that are AMERICAN owned. (I've met both owners- Bret and Stephen):
www.kievconnections.com
and
www.bridesmadeinukraine.com

Good luck,
Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: AC on November 14, 2014, 12:44:00 AM
It says you've met both owners.  Don't you mean to say that you are one of the owners (Stephen Pellicano).  It seems rather obvious, and if you are him you might as well say it.
Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: 2tallbill on March 22, 2015, 08:05:39 PM
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Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: msmobyone on April 02, 2015, 05:37:21 PM
  Russia gets messy with visas, travel restrictions and money exchange, but the US and Ukraine are friendly towards each other politically and for travel purposes.  Americans don't even need a visa to travel to Ukraine, but Russia you do.



Excluding RW - because you need a visa - not difficult to get - is a great reason why so few guys bother and ignore many good women.





 
Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: Anotherkiwi on April 03, 2015, 03:59:41 AM
Excluding RW - because you need a visa - not difficult to get - is a great reason why so few guys bother and ignore many good women.

That's true - sheer laziness.  As I've explained more than once, New Zealanders and Australians still need a visa to travel to Ukraine, and the Russian one is a LOT cheaper and easier to get.  However, in the current political climate, I'm guessing that quite a few potential travellers may be making a positive choice to boycott Russia because of the actions of their government.  A lot, of course, may also not care (and some of the dimmer bulbs may not even know what's happening in eastern Ukraine).
Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: msmobyone on April 03, 2015, 08:11:18 AM
I have never been a fan of Putin, but not going there because of his policies is like not going to USA - if you don't like Obama.  ;)
Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: 2tallbill on April 03, 2015, 12:33:04 PM
Excluding RW - because you need a visa - not difficult to get - is a great reason why so few guys bother and ignore many good women.

If you are a visit one type of guy, my suggestion is to keep your net wide open and
go where ever you find the girl. If you find her in Dumpsk Krapistahn then go to Dumpsk
and learn a few words of Krapis  :D

If you are a visit many type of guy, I would pick a city with enough girls in it, check
Mamba and make sure there are a couple hundred to write to and go. I would probably
avoid Odessa and Nikolaev just to stay away from the industry girls. If you have contacts
or know people in those cities then I recant my previous advice. Local contacts are 100
times more valuable.

Just for sheer numbers there are lots more Russians.
The population of Russia is approximately 142,400,000
The population of Ukraine* is approximately 44,646,000

Over half of both numbers are women. You can put most other FSU countries in the
mix like Belarus, Moldova, etc. I recommend avoiding Georgia for 99.9% of the men
here.


*It depends on where you draw the line these days
Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: Anotherkiwi on April 03, 2015, 12:57:57 PM
I have never been a fan of Putin, but not going there because of his policies is like not going to USA - if you don't like Obama.  ;)

The difference is that, as far as I know, the USA has not recently invaded Canada or Mexico under the pretext of "protecting the rights of ethnic US English speakers."  Nor is the USA sanctioned by any other country (except maybe North Korea).  Also, what if Putin goes absolutely over-the-top nuts and shuts the borders while you're there?  Highly unlikely, I grant you, but so were some of the other political actions in the last 150 years.

I love Russia, moby, but I won't be going back until Putin has gone.
Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: msmobyone on April 05, 2015, 10:03:01 PM
The difference is that, as far as I know, the USA has not recently invaded Canada or Mexico under the pretext of "protecting the rights of ethnic US English speakers."  Nor is the USA sanctioned by any other country (except maybe North Korea).  Also, what if Putin goes absolutely over-the-top nuts and shuts the borders while you're there?  Highly unlikely, I grant you, but so were some of the other political actions in the last 150 years.

I love Russia, moby, but I won't be going back until Putin has gone.

Hi AK,

All understood.. perhaps my analogy was terrible - but the woman I desire lives in Russia and despite the worries of family / friends - in light of my views - I want to be able go there for our pleasure - not any any way supporting the nation's foreign policy.

Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: Anotherkiwi on April 06, 2015, 04:40:10 AM
Hi AK,

All understood.. perhaps my analogy was terrible - but the woman I desire lives in Russia and despite the worries of family / friends - in light of my views - I want to be able go there for our pleasure - not any any way supporting the nation's foreign policy.

That's fine - it's your relationship.  I don't have one, so I simply won't bother looking in Russia at this time.
Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: AnObserver on April 11, 2015, 03:33:02 AM
That's fine - it's your relationship.  I don't have one, so I simply won't bother looking in Russia at this time.

What if you lose your one and only chance of happiness by not going there?

Nothing ventured, nothing gained!
Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: ML on April 11, 2015, 09:14:08 PM
The owner of this website says it is completely free to sign-up and have unlimited contact with all the gals there.

http://www.rugirlfriend.com/

Some of you that are interested can check it out and report back here on what you think.
Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: BillyB on April 12, 2015, 10:21:57 AM
The owner of this website says it is completely free to sign-up and have unlimited contact with all the gals there.

http://www.rugirlfriend.com/

Some of you that are interested can check it out and report back here on what you think.


Didn't sign up but checked it out. Owner should encourage members to post more photos of themselves. It's important for the owner to keep recruiting people. Membership is small and people may not stay long if there aren't new people to contact. It's also important he keep a balance of male and females. The site seems heavy on the females right now. Too many of one gender will turn some people off. I wouldn't waste time at a site if the ratio of men to women is 10-1.
Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: Hybrid on April 12, 2015, 10:56:34 AM

Didn't sign up but checked it out. Owner should encourage members to post more photos of themselves. It's important for the owner to keep recruiting people. Membership is small and people may not stay long if there aren't new people to contact. It's also important he keep a balance of male and females. The site seems heavy on the females right now. Too many of one gender will turn some people off. I wouldn't waste time at a site if the ratio of men to women is 10-1.

Thank you for the constructive feedback. We have found it much easier to attract women than men, they seem to be very happy to sign-up. The men are a little slower but that seems to be in discovery and not conversion. The ones that do visit do mostly register.

I personally wouldn't be unhappy with there being many more women than men as a male myself but I do understand your point. We will continue to advertise and hope to build out our members. It's been about a month since going live and we have 350+ women and 90+ men which isn't bad growth but I fully understand the customer in this niche wants high raw numbers to trawl through and we need to continue to work on that.

Thanks again for taking the time to check us out. Dave.
Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: BillyB on April 12, 2015, 01:58:18 PM
We have found it much easier to attract women than men, they seem to be very happy to sign-up. The men are a little slower but that seems to be in discovery and not conversion. The ones that do visit do mostly register.



If you had to have too much of men or women, women are the better choice. With more women to talk to, men will be more motivated to sign up. :D Good luck to you Dave and in bringing people together.
Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: msmobyone on April 12, 2015, 07:57:25 PM
I signed up - not to find a woman - just to contribute to another site.  I like the format, but I'm not too sure about each post requiring 'moderation' before it appears.

I am going to recommend it to some FSUW we know are looking for w.men and see what happens

Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: Hybrid on April 13, 2015, 12:22:55 AM
I signed up - not to find a woman - just to contribute to another site.  I like the format, but I'm not too sure about each post requiring 'moderation' before it appears.

I am going to recommend it to some FSUW we know are looking for w.men and see what happens

Thanks for your support. Moderation is only there to combat spam. Members whom post often are soon exempt from it. :)
Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: Slman on April 13, 2015, 05:02:30 AM
First of all, you will find scammers on all dating websites. But Russian Cupid is nice. Do not approach ladies which are photographed in Studios. Important is to see the ladies with real photos. Try your luck. Nice ladies on this site. Be yourself.
Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: msmobyone on April 13, 2015, 06:35:17 AM
First of all, you will find scammers on all dating websites. But Russian Cupid is nice. Do not approach ladies which are photographed in Studios. Important is to see the ladies with real photos. Try your luck. Nice ladies on this site. Be yourself.

You DO realise that many women go to a photo studio to hopefully stand out.. and some agencies arranged such shoots for free...to attract men...... it does not necessarily make them the sort to be avoided



Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: Hybrid on April 13, 2015, 07:02:43 AM
Agree, from our data pro images are pretty normal and are simply a case of the girl wanting to appear in the best way she can.

Another red flag myth IMO is avoiding girls who initiate contact. This situation is about perceived value, western men that are older, less healthy or worse looking than the FSU girl are still perceived as a higher value person because of where they live. When you want to punch above your weight so to speak, you need to be the one making the moves. It's normal dating behavior and just something us western men are not used to. We are so conditioned to chase our western women because of their perceived higher value that we class this as scam territory when it really is just a keen women. It should be a welcome change, embrace it!  ;)
Title: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: 2tallbill on July 16, 2015, 06:46:12 PM
1. Get some professional photos done with a digital copy so that you
can use them for a profile and for future letters. Don't have them photo shopped
unless you have a bee sting on your nose and that is a rare occurrence. Also get
a number of normal photos of you by the beach, in the forest, the mountains, doing
various things like picnics and barbecues. DON'T include photos of other women unless
they are your Mother, Grandmother or Full sister, or they are older than 80 or less than
8 years old. Do not take photos of your stuff! Your boat, your car, your house, etc.
Don't use non-current photos

2. Get a new email exclusively for your search. Use that new email to start a
new Facebook page. DON'T ask any of your family or friends to your new FB
page. Use the new Facebook page to create an account with Mamba.ru
Don't use your existing FB account or existing email addresses. If you really
want to know why ask me later and I or somebody else will explain. Get a Skype
account and a decent headset and web camera.

3. Learn some Russian There are lots of ways to do this. I like Pimsleur for
conversation and Rosetta Stone for vocabulary. Look on Craigslist or used places
for deals. Rosetta Stone is difficult to buy used on Ebay. Learn the alphabet. It takes
a little time but once you learn it you will be surprised how fast you improve. Talk to
a FSUW and you will start picking up Russian even faster.

4. Make a decision on strategy.

Are you a Visit One (VO) type? with a backup plan or B. a Visit Many (VM) type?
A. A Visit One type writes a zillion girls letters sifting through the girls
who answer, trying to get any high potential girl on the phone or skype as soon as
possible eventually distilling everything down to one excellent girl and then getting
on a plane right away and visiting her. You should NOT fall in love before you meet,
you should be hopefully optimistic but prepared to move on at all times if there is
no chemistry or you find a fatal flaw. (lying, smoking, drug use, having a local
husband) are examples of what might be fatal flaws

If you visit a woman and it doesn't work out you need to use your backup plan. If you
are a crybaby then your backup plan can be to mope around looking at local tourist crap
and take photos and feel sorry for yourself. My advice is that your backup plan should
be to move to a visit many strategy for the remainder of the trip.

I have been on several visit one trips that didn't work out. I've been heartbroken, but
I went to my backup plan and didn't just give up. Give yourself a pep talk then go after
it. I found my wife using my backup plan!

B. A Visit many type This is for guys who would prefer to determine mutual
chemistry first before wasting a lot of time writing letters or makes a great backup
plan for a visit one trip that goes bad. Pick a city with more than 500K people in it
and buy a ticket to the city, arrange for an apartment, a translator, etc. One week
before you leave you write ONE zillion girls who you find attractive and ask them if
they would like to meet you for coffee or tea.

Don't mix visit one and visit many tactics!!!!
Don't write a dozen girls several letters and have skype and phone calls for a
visit many trip. This will usually blow up in your face. If you have questions ask,
Either myself or one of the others can elaborate further.

5. Do NOT recycle girls if you are writing to Sveta in Sochi and Olga in Omsk
and decide to meet Olga and for whatever reason things don't work out with Olga
then don't go back to Sveta. Why? because Sveta was your number two pick. You
don't want a number two girl you want a number one girl. Sveta doesn't want to
be a number two girl either. You picked Olga for a reason, you didn't choose Sveta
for a reason. You want a number one girl. Don't recycle. Find new girls and start over.

6. If you don't have mutual chemistry with Sally move on This is NOT Hollywood.
Sally is not going to suddenly realized you were what she always wanted. If there is
not mutual chemistry on the first date then Dump her forever. Don't waste your
time or her time. If you don't have a date for all day Saturday don't call Sally! don't
call some girl that you've rejected. Spend the time writing more letters.
Even if the girl is so hot that you can't look at her without drooling on your shoes, if
there isn't mutual chemistry between you DON'T ASK HER OUT AGAIN!

7. If you find a beautiful girl with whom you have mutual chemistry and she
passes all the first date tests. Then you stop dating and pursue her exclusively.
Explain to her that you want to spend as much time with her as possible. If she is as
hot about you as you are about her, she will find a way. If she can't find a way then it's
NOT her, dump her and move on.

8. Be ruthless be a gentleman but dump any girl who isn't the future
Mrs______________ your name here. Don't waste her time don't waste your time.
The sooner you get her out of way the sooner both of you can find your future mate.
You are doing her a favor by dumping her and not wasting her time.

9. Don't listen to excuses. if a girl starts making excuses then dump her.
A serious interested girl will find a way and not make excuses. If you need more info
on what I mean then ask and somebody or myself can elaborate further. A serious
good girl will come up with a solution.

10. Get back on a plane to see her again soon It's best if you make plans to
see her again before you even leave. When you leave you are not there! and it's your
job to keep things rolling along. Don't be vague! FSUW don't do vague! Say I am going
to be on a flight to see you on XYZ day and I want you to wear your red dress and black ]
panties and I will be checking the panties. You need to be a man of action! The relationship
is fragile as soon as you leave so make sure she know you are coming back in 2 or 3
months. Call her daily, skype her daily, send her sms daily it's your job to romance her 
and to seduce her. She wants to be romanced and she wants to be seduced!

LASTLY, FSUW are not for entry level daters. You know who you are. If you are considered
gullible by your friends or are socially shy or inept then it might be best to hire a wingman
like Eduard or one of the commercial members here rather than to try this on your own.

Udachi!

Bill
Title: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: 2tallbill on July 16, 2015, 07:44:07 PM
What is the five date rule?

In a foreign long distance relationship face time is very compressed.
Some newbies are told to establish a 5 date rule to determine whether
the girl is interested in them or not. The theory is that by five dates a
girl who is seriously interested in you will allow her knickers to fly.

Some guys can't tell if a woman is into them or not. If an FSUW is into
you, believe me you will know. However many men put so much time
and effort into one girl and they don't want to admit that there isn't any
chemistry after meeting them. They want to use excuses like cultural
differences etc.

It's happened to me. I spent a lot of time pursuing one girl, I got
on a plane and there was no chemistry. It sucks @ss but it happens.

I can tell if a girl is into me (especially an FSUW) so I don't have
any arbitrary rules. If I don't feel the chemistry there aren't going
to be 5 dates. 

Now remember those knickers don't fly off on their own. You have
to seduce the girl. You have to win her heart. The goal isn't just to
have the panties flying the goal is to find the future Mrs [your name here]

If they are interested and serious, they will want you to win their hearts
and they will want to be seduced.

If a girl meets you in person and decides that you aren't for them,sometimes
they will feel obligated to show you around and spend time with you and they
might be hesitant to come out and say that they aren't interested in you.

This is the situation that the 5 date rule was primarily made for.

However, if you written to a girl daily, and talked to her on skype
daily and called her on the phone daily and told her all your hopes
and dreams for two months then when you finally meet her you
probably won't be getting the cheek unless there is no chemistry.

If there is no chemistry then there is no chemistry and regardless
of how much time and effort has been expended you need to move
on.
Title: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: 2tallbill on July 16, 2015, 07:50:18 PM
Some quotes

“If you use money as bait don’t be surprised to catch gold diggers”

"FSUW are not for entry level daters"
Title: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures
Post by: 2tallbill on July 20, 2015, 02:14:13 PM
Look for an apartment and not a hotel:

An apartment is bigger, often less expensive, has a kitchen and a refrigerator.

Many hotels will treat any female guest as if she were a prostitute and will want
a percentage. Many ladies will not even go into a hotel. You can entertain, have
a party, cook dinner for a girl or a lady might wish to cook for you or "play house"
Many will have a washing machine so you don't have to pack so many clothes.

You can wake up at three in the morning (because of your jet lag) in your underwear
go to the refrigerator and have a cold drink or, make yourself a sandwich and you
won't have to pay restaurant prices. In a hotel you will have to get dressed and
find an open all night place and trudge around outside at zero dark thirty.

With an apartment you will have many of the comforts and conveniences of home.
In Russia you will have to go to a post office/police station to register your visa with
is more of a pain than having a hotel do this.

Title: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures
Post by: 2tallbill on July 20, 2015, 02:15:47 PM
***Water safety***

If anyone has ever had Montezuma's revenge then they can explain
what will happen if you drink FSU tap water.

Some people will argue with me, ignore my advice at your peril . If you spend
thousands of dollars to travel half way around the world to find someone to
spend the rest of your life with do you really want to risk even a small chance
of spending several days on a toilet with severe stomach cramping and pain?

How much money will you save going Native? Certainly not enough. By the way the
Natives don't drink unboiled or unbottled water either

1. Drink only bottled water
2. Brush your teeth with bottled water
3. I even rinse my dishes with bottled water
4. I wash all vegetables and fruits with bottled water.
5. I make ice with bottled water
6. I use bottled water even to boil for tea or coffee (it tastes better)

Items 3,4,5 and 6 may seem too much and they might be. But if I spend an
extra $10 dollars on water but never get sick on a trip then in my mind it's worth
it.

Title: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures
Post by: 2tallbill on July 20, 2015, 02:19:57 PM
Various Tips

Bring brand new money (dollars or Euros)with you.
I am not sure what the guys from Oz or Countries with other currencies
do. I know that dollars and Euros are most common. Maybe someone
who knows will tell us how easy it is to exchange other currencies
in a post.

The airport usually has the worst exchange rate in the country. You might
use your ATM card and take out some cash at the airport. Then exchange it
in the city you travel to in order to get a better rate.

Regardless of Currency make sure it's brand new with no folds or writing
on it. Make sure they are as perfect as possible or they will not
take them.

Advise your bank ahead of time when and where you will be traveling
around the FSU. Otherwise your ATM / Credit Card might not work.

Some places still don't take credit cards, places that allow an American
Express card are as rare as recent French Military victories. Forget Diners
Card. It is only useful for scraping frost off a car windshield while in the FSU.

When arriving as a guest bring don't come empty handed bring
something with you  (a cake is a good general purpose thing to bring)

Watch out for cars, even on the side walk.

Title: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures
Post by: 2tallbill on July 20, 2015, 02:33:32 PM
Here are just some random FSU customs/superstitions
Note many FSUW don't believe in all/most of these.

If you give your sweet heart flowers give them in Odd numbers.
Even numbers are for funerals.

Don't give your sweet heart yellow flowers they are NOT for lovers
(don't ask me why)

Birthday parties should be celebrated on or after one's birthday,
not before. (don't ask me why)

Do not to shake hands or give something across a threshold. Come
inside first. Using ice in something to drink is very risky similar to floating
down Niagara Falls in a barrel. Putting ice on a sore back is will be looked
at the same way as if you wanted to use leeches.   

A draft (even on a hot day) is more likely to cause back/muscle/joint pain
than a lumpy bed or sofa.

Most colds, sore throats etc can be directly tied back to ingesting something
cold or being near a draft. An open window on a train on the hottest day of
the year is only slightly less dangerous than French kissing Ebola victims. 

Whistling indoors will cause you to lose all of your money.

If you decide to go on a trip, everyone in your household needs to sit still for
a minute before you leave. Anyone who has noticed chronic lateness among
Russians now knows at least one potential explanation.

Other gifts are also off the gift lists.: handkerchiefs or sharp objects like knives
can disappoint for more than one reason. Not to worry, the receiver of the gift
can pay a few kopecks to the giver to dupe the fates into seeing the transaction
as a business deal, rather than gift-giving.

Never leave empty bottles on the table. Do not eat off your knife
Don't pour wine back-handed and don't light your cigarette from a candle

Whatever you do, don't sit on cold stones because you won't have children,
especially if you're a girl. Quite frankly, this one should be followed just to avoid
a long and heated argument with a Russian.

If your hand itches, it means you will get money. If your ear itches, it means
someone is talking about you. And if your back itches, it means you should
take a shower.

The biggest and most dangerous of all money superstitions is to whistle indoors.
You, the people you live with, even the neighbors can lose all their money. Many
extra-careful Russians avoid whistling altogether.

If you step on somebodies foot, let them step on yours to make sure you remain
friends.
Title: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures
Post by: 2tallbill on July 20, 2015, 02:42:25 PM
Take care of your Feet !!!


I usually walk 5 + miles per day while in the FSU. If you are good
to your feet then they will be good to you. Basketball shoes are excellent
for playing basketball in. The are made to make quick starts, stops and
changes in direction.

They are horrible for walking long distances  over pot hole filled concrete
and asphalt. They do not let your feet breath properly and they make a
negative fashion statement in the FSU. Don't bring your church shoes that
give you a blister if you attend a long service. Fashion is nice but quality and
comfort are more important.

Blisters, foot rot, bloody socks, stinky feet aren't seen as positive attributes
by FSUW. Walk 7 miles a day for a week in a pair of Nike Airs and you will have
many if not all of the above FSUW repellent

Here is what I suggest.

1. Buy a couple of pairs of high quality fashionable dress shoes and or boots
that are comfortable and durable.

2. Break your shoes in before bringing them to the FSU or the shoes will break
in your feet, it's your choice. Wear them for three days not in a row to your office.
Then Polish them up nicely or have a pro do it.

3. A little bit of baby powder will keep your feet cool and dry in the summer and
warm and dry in the winter. A dry foot is a happy foot!

4. Cut your toe nails. It will cause the shoe to fit properly on your foot and cause
less stress on your toes and feet, it will keep your socks from looking like Oliver
Twist's socks and besides men's feet look bad enough, properly cut toe nails is
proper hygiene especially in the FSU
. For best results go to a nail place and get
a proper manicure and pedicure.

5. In the winter a good pair of boots will keep you warm comfortable and not feeling
like you are wearing roller skates on an escalator during snowy days. They don't have
ambulance chasing lawyers running around in the FSU. There will be ice in places
that are dangerous and If you prevent just one slip and fall on an icy sidewalk you will
be infinitely happier.

6. Alternate your shoes. Don't wear the same pair each day. It will give your feet and
your shoes a break. Change your socks frequently, and don't buy the thinest socks. A
slightly thicker sock gives your feet some additional cushion and is more absorbent.

7. I bring a small polish kit and touch up my shoes especially on rainy/snowy days.
Your shoes will last longer, repel water better, be more comfortable and look sharper.

8. Tip for shining shoes, take a little extra time, bring a little plastic bag to keep polish
off of your fingers. You don't want to look like you just overhauled your Harley.
Title: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures
Post by: 2tallbill on July 20, 2015, 02:44:42 PM
If your FSUW wants to send a sms/text message to your phone for free she
can do this from her computer email. 

The major US cellular carriers use the 10_digit_number@cell.carrier_domain.com
format for SMS to text capable cell phones, with a limit of 160 characters in the
subject and message body (total).

use your 10 digit phone number : 555 123 1234

Carrier    Send Email to phonenumber@....
Alltel    @message.alltel.com
AT&T    @mms.att.net
Nextel    @messaging.nextel.com
Sprint    @messaging.sprintpcs.com
SunCom    @tms.suncom.com
T-mobile    @tmomail.net
VoiceStream    @voicestream.net
Verizon    @vtext.com (text only)
@vzwpix.com (pictures and videos)
Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures
Post by: BillyB on July 20, 2015, 03:53:07 PM

Don't give your sweet heart yellow flowers they are NOT for lovers
(don't ask me why)



Yellow flowers are for funerals and is the color of separation.
Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures
Post by: 2tallbill on July 20, 2015, 06:22:23 PM

Yellow flowers are for funerals and is the color of separation.

No, odd numbers of flowers are for funerals. You can send Yellow flowers
to your MIL or SIL, etc but not your wife/girlfriend.
Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: jone on July 20, 2015, 06:29:37 PM
You're not from Texas.
Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures
Post by: BillyB on July 20, 2015, 08:18:35 PM
No, odd numbers of flowers are for funerals. You can send Yellow flowers
to your MIL or SIL, etc but not your wife/girlfriend.



Read the below links if you don't believe me. Info like this isn't hard to find on the internet.


http://russianaccelerator.com/russian-superstitions


http://web.stanford.edu/group/ccr/ccrblog/2010/03/flowers_in_russia.html
Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures
Post by: Anotherkiwi on July 20, 2015, 08:26:26 PM
Look for an apartment and not a hotel:

An apartment is bigger, often less expensive, has a kitchen and a refrigerator.

Make that "nearly always," unless it's a three- or four-bedroom apartment in the centre of Moscow, Kyiv or St Petersburg.

Many hotels will treat any female guest as if she were a prostitute and will want a percentage. Many ladies will not even go into a hotel.

The exception to that is if you are travelling together.  I had no problem, either with the hotel staff or the only lady that I was travelling with (we stayed in an apartment in Rostov and a hotel in Khosta, near Sochi - everyone else I met was in their home town).

In Russia you will have to go to a post office/police station to register your visa which is more of a pain than having a hotel do this.

Which is why so many people recommend spending the first night in a hotel which will register your visit for free - if you are lucky (or are able to sweet-talk the receptionist), they will register you for the entire duration of the trip, and not just the night(s) that you are staying with them (thank you, Hotel Baoli/Bali in Krasnodar  :D).
Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures
Post by: 2tallbill on July 21, 2015, 03:15:12 PM

Read the below links if you don't believe me. Info like this isn't hard to find on the internet.

http://russianaccelerator.com/russian-superstitions
http://web.stanford.edu/group/ccr/ccrblog/2010/03/flowers_in_russia.html

The internet is wrong about Yellow flowers being ONLY for funerals. Why do they
have a couple of dozen yellow flower combinations in EVERY florist shop in the FSU?
It's because you can give yellow flowers to anyone EXCEPT your wife/girlfriend. For
a wife/gf it signals the end of the relationship. You can give yellow flowers to her
babushka without her thinking that you are praying for her to die. You can buy
yellow flowers for an office party. You can buy Yellow flowers for a centerpiece for
New Years and nobody will think it's for a funeral.

Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures
Post by: BillyB on July 21, 2015, 04:02:12 PM
The internet is wrong about Yellow flowers being ONLY for funerals.



Those websites are not wrong. They never said it's "only" for funerals. It's the color of separation. It can be given at funerals, a daughter leaving home, somebody leaving their job, or at a breakup. When yellow flowers are used with other colors, it has a entirely different meaning.
Title: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures
Post by: 2tallbill on July 22, 2015, 06:24:53 PM
WOVO = Write One, Visit One
WMVM = Write Many, Visit Many
WMVO = Write Many, Visit One
FSU = Former Soviet Union
FSUW = Former Soviet Union Women
FSUM = Former Soviet Union Men
AW/WW= American Women/Western Women
RW = Russian Women
UW = Ukrainian Women
AM = American Men
RM = Russian Men
UM = Russian Men

GCG--Green Card Girl (meaning women who marry just to immigrate)
DV--domestic violence
Mule-- A man who marries a GCG Green Card Girl

AWEB – anastasiaweb.com
ADATE – anastasiadate.com (same as AWEB)
HRB – hotrussianbrides.com
RLM – russianlovematch.com (same as HRB)
AOB – army-of-brides.com (also, a-pretty.com, hanuma, and hundreds more)

EM – elenasmodels.com

AFA – A Foreign Affair (url – loveme.com – many guys don't know this)

LL – lucklovers.net

Fat Uri or Hairy Boris  is the name we give to guys who pose as women to scam you.
SMS =Text on a mobile phone

Title: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures
Post by: 2tallbill on July 22, 2015, 06:28:07 PM
Tip on getting a good apartment rate

Go to http://www.airbnb.com
 
Do a search for your dates and you will note when you view a property you can contact the owner/agent direct.

Don't make a booking, just write to a few of these contacts with your actual dates and try to get some deal. You don't want to be paying the advertised 'daily tourist rate'.

If you haven't used airbnb before then you have to register but its worth the hassle.
Title: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures
Post by: 2tallbill on July 22, 2015, 06:31:52 PM
Excuses vs Solutions

A serious FSUW will find a way to overcome any problem known to mankind if they
are romantically interested in a man. Conversely, they will generate endless problems
and excuses if they are not. You only want a woman who is romantically interested in YOU.

If an FSUW is romantically interested in you she will borrow her sisters phone and lean out
the window with a coat hanger in her hand in a rainstorm to improve cell phone reception
just to talk to you on the phone if her phone dies. She will move mountains, solve intricate
problems and deal with all sorts of inconveniences to be with you.

If she is not interested in you then her phone will stop working, relatives will become sick,
her computer will catch a virus, the hard drive will crash and it will explode into a ball of
flames. The internet will cease to work in her city, She will be required to work 24 shifts,
and will need to donate a kidney to save a loved one.

If she has a legitimate excuse then she will often offer an alternative. I can't talk to you
at 9:00 pm because I must do XYZ with my Mother at 9:00 pm, I can talk to you at
10:00 pm.   

A serious girl will want to talk to you on the phone and on Skype.
A non serious girl will only want to speak to you on an agency site
where a proper commission will be paid.

Once you start hearing excuses in bunches you need to move on. You are wasting your
time and you are missing out on finding the girl for you. The sooner you dump this girl
the sooner you will find your girl. If she makes excuses why she doesn't want to meet
you in person then you are wasting your time, the girl isn't serious.

You MUST win the girls heart. She really wants you to but you must put in the work to
do it. You need to make the first move. You should be the one to initiate sex, especially the
first time. If she's not ready yet then she's not ready yet and will tell you. This is not a deal
killer in the FSU like it can be in the West. If they are serious THEY WANT YOU TO SEDUCE
THEM!
Every not butt-ugly Russian girl has been hit on by Russian men, they understand
you are a man. It's better to hit on the girl too early than too late. Of course it's better to do
this at the perfect time. They want to know that you are sexually attracted to them, if you
wait too long they will begin to think that you are either a wienie or not attracted to them or
both. 

Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: Chicagoguy on July 26, 2015, 02:19:56 PM
Please try and post a professional looking picture of yourself. Not just a snapshot or camera photo.
Title: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures
Post by: 2tallbill on September 14, 2015, 02:49:21 PM
You are new at this and know very little Russian. Here is a website that
has many different excellent Russian phrases. It's been mentioned in
other threads but those threads have been buried for years.

This site gives you a list of many must learn phrases and many romantic
phrases. Did you know that every Russian name has several tender nicknames?
For example if your girls name is Svetlana she can be called SvetlAna, SvEta,
SvEtochka, SvetlAnka, SvEtik and the site has an mp3 recording so you
can hear how to pronounce them.

Here is the site
http://www.meighan.net/alexander/

I highly recommend learning at least half of the phrases

I would also highly recommend looking up the pet ways to say your girls
name. She will really like at least one of them and it's your job to find out
which one.



Udachi!

Bill
Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures
Post by: ML on September 23, 2015, 07:36:56 AM
I would also highly recommend looking up the pet ways to say your girls
name. She will really like at least one of them and it's your job to find out
which one.

More efficient . . . call them all Honey Bunny.
Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures
Post by: Hammer2722 on September 23, 2015, 02:55:33 PM
More efficient . . . call them all Honey Bunny.

LOL, That's what I call my girl an she loves it. Even refers to herself that way..... :D
Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: bizpat72 on September 23, 2015, 05:13:36 PM
Quote
Here is the site
http://www.meighan.net/alexander/

@2tallbill wow! thank you for the link. I will surprise and tease my Russian girlfriend with a few basic quotes from this site until she goes ok My Pat, where do you pick these quotes :)
Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: Eximio on November 14, 2015, 01:16:24 PM
Does anyone have experience with BridesandLovers.com?

Just looking through the site, there seem to be a lot of women there.  But that might be a scam.  The site is also very aggressive about sending multiple e-mails per day with women supposedly expressing interest.  That seems a little to good to be true, because I have not even yet posted a photo! 

I'm thinking that a good way to test one of these sites is to set up a profile, before paying, and NOT post a photo.  Also put only the bare minimum in terms of description.  Then, wait to see how aggressive the site is about trying to pull you in.  If lots of apparently attractive women are expressing interest, you should have some major doubts.
Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: BillyB on November 14, 2015, 01:28:44 PM
Just looking through the site, there seem to be a lot of women there.  But that might be a scam.  The site is also very aggressive about sending multiple e-mails per day with women supposedly expressing interest.  That seems a little to good to be true, because I have not even yet posted a photo! 



You know the answer after reading this thread. Why ask us? You're hoping somebody says it's a legit place? If your dream girl is in there, chances are she probably doesn't want to get to know you but you can Google her name, city, a few physical stats, and "marriage agency" or "dating site" or other combinations of words to see if she pops up at another agency doesn't play tricks on you.
Title: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: 2tallbill on November 15, 2015, 01:17:18 PM
I wrote this elsewhere but decided to put it here as well.

Here are three pieces of advice that all men should keep in mind.

FSUW are not for entry level daters: If you are a beginning dater, stop
and get some local experience first, before dipping your toe in international
waters.

If you expect a scam everywhere you look, you will find a scam
everywhere you look:

Paranoia big destroyyyyaaa! You can wreck more international
relationships by falsely accusing an FSUW of being a scammer.
Want to avoid a scam? listen, watch her face and eyes and remember
what she says. The scammers will out themselves if you just pay attention.
The good girls will enjoy your attentiveness. It's a win-win

Never marry a woman you don't know if you only have two weeks of vacation
a year then you are barking up the wrong tree. It's impossible to know a woman
with only two weeks of boots on the ground. If you have limited vacation time,
change jobs, offer to work weekends and holidays and get more time for travel
or don't pursue a foreign woman.


Udachi!


Bill
Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
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Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: ML on May 28, 2016, 10:39:17 AM
After arrival for a 4 week or so visit:

1) call the 3 or so gals that are first on your lists that you have already scheduled dates with in the above procedure.  This is to touch base and assure them you are really there.  Later you call the other gals on your list 3 days or so before their scheduled time.
2) I had business meetings most mornings; so I scheduled mid-afternoon restaurant meetings with the gals at around 2-3 PM.  This had advantage of virtually empty restaurants and absence of smokers.
3) I had told the gals to free up time for this [ I had already insisted that the gals take an afternoon off from work.  Those who only wanted to meet after work and weekends were dropped in the earlier email exchange process] and for the entire evening as we could have some fruits and wines later.  I never said it would be the entire evening or night or anything about a sleepover, etc.  They could read it anyway they wanted.
4) Depending on how the meal meeting went:
a) I would thank them for meeting with me and wish them well; or
b) We would go for a walk in the city parks, etc.
5) We would talk about a future meeting and I would put them in a taxi; or
6) We would go to my apartment for the fruits, wine, look at my pictures, listen to music, maybe sing some karaoke, maybe dance, maybe do some light making out, which may or may not lead to heavier stuff.
7) We would call a taxi for her; or
8) She would stay the night.  I never pushed this.
9) Continue this procedure for 10-15 days with new gals.
10) Because some dates would end after the first afternoon meal and others would end after a walk in the park; this left empty time starting at day 3 or so for late afternoons, evenings and nights.  This would  allow for phone and SMS calls to previous gals who you want to meet for 2nd, 3rd, etc. times.
11) The gals that you started meeting multiple times, you start talking with them about future days that you can spend consecutively with them which implies sleepovers.
12) By the time you have met with all 10-15 gals, you are probably down to 3-6 who you end up spending a lot of time with the last two weeks or so of your trip.

Yes, of course a person can't do the above if he lacks:

a) A strong personality and leadership skills.
b) Analytical ability.
c) Ability to perform complex scheduling and coordination tasks.
d) A good memory and recall of facts, people, faces, names, places, etc.
e) Confidence in yourself.
f) Ability to tell a lot of jokes and have great humor in general.
g) Comfort around women in general.
h) Social skills in general.
i) Good written and oral (both type) skills
j) Ability to talk about most anything with most anybody.
k) Ability to avoid meeting with women lacking English skills.
Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: wallm on August 02, 2016, 08:32:29 AM
I am looking at the list. I had already checked out fdating.com and luckylovers.net. Both seemed to have lots of scammers. May be I am just a scammer magnet.  :D Invaluable education on this site enabled be to detect and terminate contact with scammers of course.

Is there an update to the site listing seen at the top in terms of which are best?

Thanks.
Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: Hammer2722 on August 02, 2016, 09:35:21 AM
I am looking at the list. I had already checked out fdating.com and luckylovers.net. Both seemed to have lots of scammers. May be I am just a scammer magnet.  :D Invaluable education on this site enabled be to detect and terminate contact with scammers of course.

Is there an update to the site listing seen at the top in terms of which are best?

Thanks.

All dating websites will have their fair share of fake profiles and scammers. Its up to you to use your common sense in filtering out the undesirables. The recommended sites listed will give you a fair chance at finding some good ladies looking for real relationships.
Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: BillyB on August 02, 2016, 09:37:39 AM
May be I am just a scammer magnet. 


Every man attracts them because you're writing to the same sexy girls they do.  ;) Scammers are also less selective and better at attracting men than normal women are.
Title: Pursuing FSUW 101. Improving your chances
Post by: 2tallbill on January 12, 2017, 12:13:27 PM
The race doesn't always go to the swift, nor the battle to the strong but that's
the way to bet. A guy can do everything wrong and still have success but he is
far more likely to fail. These are methods or guidelines to improve your chances
at success.

What can you do to improve your chances?

1. Figure out what you want: If you don't know what you are looking for will
 you recognize it when you find it? Decide if you are a visit one or a visit many guy.

2. Make a plan: Plan your work and work your plan. Always look for ways to
improve your plan and your tactics. Don't make the same mistakes again and again.

3. Make a back up plan: It's very rare for a guy to find the girl of his dreams
on his first trip. Far more often things don't work out especially in a visit one situation.
If you want to simply tour around the country and be a tourist it's better than locking
yourself in your room feeling sorry for yourself, but it's not nearly as good as having a
plan of action to meet others.

4. Improve yourself: You will attract more hotter, higher quality women if
you are in reasonable shape, speak a few words of Russian, have clean clipped
nails and are stylishly dressed than if you look like you've just rebuilt your Harley.
If you utilize your ear hair in your comb-over then you won't as readily attract the
highest quality women as someone who keeps his ear and nose hair under control.

5. Stay in an apartment NOT A HOTEL!: I could list a hundred reasons why,
but there are always a fairly large number of jack asses men who will ignore
this.

6. Visit them in their city for your first trip There are many reasons to do
this. There are some reasonable exceptions to this and I would be happy to discuss
them, but this is the best advice to improve your chances, especially for newbies.
A. Don't go on a joint vacation with them for a first trip.
B. Don't stay in their apartment 
C. Don't try to hop around to a half dozen cities where various girls are located.
D. Don't rent an apartment with a separate bed for them.

7. Take this one step at a time:
A. Don't bring a ring or visa paperwork with you on your first trip.
B. Don't fall in love before you meet in person
C. A cafe is a good place for a first date, save a romantic dinner or the
tickets to the ballet for a future date when you know you have chemistry.
D. You don't go shopping

8. Stop and smell the roses, wherever you are be there. While it makes
a lot of sense to spend your time seeing new girls if you haven't found one to
pursue exclusively don't go to St Petersburg without seeing the Hermitage.
(I did that) For goodness sake have FUN! if you aren't having fun dating
beautiful and exciting women then you are doing something wrong.

9. Be prepared to kick any girl no matter how hot she is to the curb If
you can't do this then date girls at home.

10. Be the one driving the bus! for a first date, you are the one who picks
the venue, etc. Don't allow a hottie to lead you around by the penis nose.

11. If/When you meet a perfect candidate then stop dating other girls and pursue her.
Let her know your intentions and get her out of circulation.

12. Don't leave without a plan to meet again unless you don't want to meet again

13. Review, correct mistakes and improve After each conversation, each date,
each meeting, each trip you should be getting progressively better and better at this.

Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: Darth_Budda on January 12, 2017, 03:32:01 PM
Do Learn Russian..

Do try to make local friends...

Do eat new foods..

Make sure you get on the good side of her parents...



I need a banya and some honey wine....  Soon,,, Soon.. I will be back...
Starting to miss Ukraine... and Vacation..
Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: Anotherkiwi on January 12, 2017, 04:25:44 PM
Do Learn Russian..

You don't have to be fluent - in fact, you aren't going to be living there, so don't bother with anything more than the basics.  Learn the Cyrillic alphabet to help you get around when you're on your own, and learn at least a few helpful phrases in Russian or Ukrainian, depending on where you are going.  The ABSOLUTE basics are obvious:

Hello
Goodbye
Please
Thank you
Yes
No
Where's the toilet?  :devil:

Good luck!
Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: ML on January 12, 2017, 08:51:04 PM
The ABSOLUTE basics are obvious:

Hello
Goodbye
Please
Thank you
Yes
No
Where's the toilet? 

You forgot:

Do you wanna .........?
Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: 2tallbill on January 14, 2017, 03:27:38 PM
You forgot:

Do you wanna .........?

Vy (ty is informal) khotite ......................
Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: msmob on August 08, 2017, 02:03:40 PM
As per my 'orders' from ML! :)

1/ Fdating.com  (http://Fdating.com)

2/ http://dmnotify.com/ (http://dmnotify.com/)

They worked for us

Title: Pursuing FSUW 101: The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: 2tallbill on September 23, 2017, 04:40:24 PM
AJ posted this in another thread. I didn't want to see it get lost, so I copied it here
so that newbies could learn from his experience and success.



So vast majority if crash and burns at such suspect agencies , is over a METHODOLOGY, 
of a guy chasing a girl out of his league.


This methodology, wouldn't be generally successful in his home town,  at a free site of FSU
women, or with fsu women he met at the park.

If he dated FSU women his age, in relative attractiveness to his looks and and status, it
would not matter if he met them off a ppl site ,a free site or the park, we wouldn't even
be having this discussion.

So to think the crappy ppl.sites, are the real heart if the issue cracks me up.
The men's expectations are.

They travel to a poor economy, a culture and society where corruption is a way of
life and accepted as status quo, then think *where* they find the woman has much
bearing on any given woman's ethics.

The reason guys should avoid ppl, is because they are like moths to the flame, they
write the ten hottest youngest women, or as close to it as the personally dare, and
wonder why there are issues. They can't bring themselves to correspond with the
thousands and thousands  of women in just one city on such sites they'd consider
average.


I know a pile in Nikoleav that are quite attractive, early to late 30s and never get
a sincere letter in 3 or 4 years. They then typical give up, as they never really felt
it possible anyway.

To label all agency girls as unethical, over the percent that are mercenary, is silly.


To wade through the ppl bad agency crap, we say is too tough.
Its, only too tough because men are men.

I married someone 19 years younger, and breathtakingly beautiful inside and out,
so admit the glass house  .

My wife was 28 when we met.
So don't take it harshly, I'm throwing pebbles not stones!

But I don't hide behind crappy excuses, or blame mercenary girls for any failure
of my own. I own my actions, every one of them, poor or not, and frankly had no
problems telling a good person from a mercenary one.

If I did not,  I'd have mitigated my losses and taken my lumps.
In fact I'd have probably felt *good on ya girl* and know I was as culpable as she,
and just moved on.

It's about attitude. Its about realistic expectations,
And it's about knowing what you have to offer as a partner
(very little of that worth is measured financially)

I've made decent money some years ad zero some years,means nothing.
My wife has worked ,and would gladly carry us, if I was unable to at any given time.
She's never had to ,but the attitude of a team, a partnership in life as a family is
fundamental to how she thinks,reacts, lives.
As long as its a husband she loves & respects this is typical of an FSU woman s mentality .

So guys going on  about a subset of 20 yo smokinhotkovas, being totally mercenary,
is actually a bit amusing .

These are not the guys a model looking 20 to 25yo NYC or LA socialite is regularly dating,
and within that group of girls  ,there is a pretty good percent of mercenary status climbers.

So yes guys should avoid flying to NyC to meet them, unless buying very high end items
is their idea if true romance right?

Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: 2tallbill on November 26, 2017, 07:05:36 PM
NOTE: I am using the word Skype generically instead of messenger
or webcam chat etc. 

If you plan on meeting more than one girl then don't Skype at all
until after you meet. All you want is an introduction letter, answer
a couple questions and get a meeting.

If you are going to meet one girl then Skype (or other messenger)
is a great tool, it's a force multiplier. You can read a girls eyes when
you are talking to her. If she seems bored then you are chasing the
wrong girl. You want an interested girl. You could never determine
this exchanging letters.

A girl can say anything in a letter true or false. Most girls aren't
very good saying false things in another language, it will usually
show on their face. 80% of communication is nonverbal. Think
about that for a minute. What they say is less important than
how they say it. Why would anyone throw away 80% of
communication out the window?

I think, I know the answer. If you aren't using it, it's because
you don't have the confidence in your ability to banter, make
small talk etc*. It's a learned trait. You can spend 5 minutes
crafting a sentence to answer a question, but you pretty much
have to do it on the spot during a messenger type call.

*Bantering 101: How to talk to pretty girls
(Without puking on your shoes). 
1. Always have a small 30-60 second conversation figured out
ahead of time. Example: I saw your profile, liked your smile
and thought I better get hold of this girl before everybody
else does. Yada, yada.

2. Always have some prepared questions. Do you want kids?
What things do you like to do in your spare time?
How do I know you won't try to make me eat holodetz?
blah, blah, blah etc. 

3. Limit the conversation to so many minutes. Decide if you
want to see this girl on Skype again or not.

4. If you want to see her again, tell her you have to go but
that you want to see her again and nail down a time and
date. Get her phone number if something comes up. Send
her an SMS telling her you liked her voice/accent/eyes/cute
personality/bubbly laugh etc (don't say tits on the first call
even if they are truly spectacular)

5. If you run into a brain fart or can't think of something to
say then turn it around immediately. Say something like
"You are so pretty, that I totally forgot what I was going
to say." "You make me feel like a schoolboy again" How is
it possible that you aren't married?!? are all the men in
your city blind? etc.

You can also unplug the mike or the camera. Then fumble
around hooking it back up. Then ask what were we talking
about? Oh yes, I remember we were talking about how loud
you are during sex and how thick the walls need to be.

Those will get you a shy smile 95% of the time and you've
turned it completely around from a negative to a positive.

80% of the girls I Skyped with, I did only once. I decided
it wasn't worth my time to continue. I was only interested
in an exceptional girl, so all the so-so girls got sent to find
their love interest elsewhere. One mans coal is another
mans diamond. Lather, rinse and repeat. Don't hang on
to a girl just because she is hot!!!

Never compromise on character.

You will get better and better at this with practice.

Udachi!

Bill
Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: gaspar227 on December 30, 2017, 04:34:36 PM
I just wanted to give my 2 cents on dating websites I tried. 

In November 2017 I joined this forum and immediately joined 3 websites.  Cuteonly.com, Ukrainedate.com and DMNotify. All of these are modeled after USA websites, sort of like match.com.  The prices are relatively similar, about $20-$30 a month.

I'd like to take a couple minutes to describe my experiences with each.  My search criteria was very selective at first, 25-35 non smokers less than 140 lbs.  I figure try to see women that in USA are extremely elusive just to compare.  Every woman I mention below fit well within this criterion.  Maybe i'm reaching but for the fist 6 months why not. 

1. Cuteonly:  I only joined this because of their add on here.  When I clicked it there was a 3 for 1 special or something so the price was very reasonable a month (I believe it was more like $45 for 3 months).  This site as access to many former CCCP countries.  The UI is pretty good, easy to search.  The chat leaves much to be desired IMO, but that's actually a plus because many women seem eager to get off of site and viber/whatsapp.
Many of the photos here are very high quality.  The women I have met are extremely nice and most are genuine.  The only downside for me was the chat.  In the 1.5 months, and being extremely selective, I had ongoing communication with 3 very beautiful women.  The only reason I stopped was that I found someone I enjoyed more and suspended my account.

I would rate this site an 8 out of 10 and would definitely recommend and will renew if I need to

Ukrainedate:  This site is all about Ukraine.  It has a great search, it definitely has a nice UI.  There is only one problem.  It seems like the girls here see a lot of traffic.  They are not as quick to reply, and they seem more hesitant, also there are a LOT of fake accounts, people that are there or a very short time asking for your email so that you can communicate without being a member.  I have also seen very attractive girls that I began conversations with suddenly drop their picture and say it's because they have too many messages. 

This seems uncannily similar to a match.com.  I found out about this website from a website that was recommending this for 'hook ups' so I think that the girls are real, or at least a % of them, but that they see a lot of traffic and have had some bad experiences with foreign men.  Also there is a high response rate of particularly attractive women from Donetsk I noticed, which kind of makes me think that there are other scams I just avoided because I refused to engage in email correspondents when all the signs of a scam were there.

I would say this is a very fun site, I like the fact that there's a dedicated app, not just a html site.  There are a ton of really attractive women, but the scam factor and burn-out from the women meant that overall my success rate was low with getting actual connections.  On this site I had at least 10 decent chats with very attractive women, 80% of them eventually made an excuse and tried to turn this to email.   I had 2 try to get me to go to another website (ppl/pp video).  Another woman I decided to stop and another stopped talking to me from Viber.  I still had fun here, but to me it's a lot more work than the others and much more what I would expect from a USA website.  This is part of the 'cupid' sites.  As with Cuteonly I suspended my account because of a relationship i found on another site.

Overall this was a 6 out of 10 for me.  Entertaining, and I can see with more time and energy finding some gems here, but overall the amount of garbage to sort through just makes it frustrating if you actually want to find a woman.  I will not renew. 

DMNotify -- everyone said this was the best site.  I agree.  I had 3 fairly long and successful  Viber/Whatsapp correspondences.  The one from Nakhodka was the first, she was amazingly beautiful, but this was my first interactions with Russian women on Whattsapp.  There were so many things that just were so foreign for me that I think I blew it just out of simple mistakes and overthinking.  The second was an absolute stunner, but things were fairly slow, and unfortunately were outpaced by the last woman, which I'm hoping to visit in about a month.  Overall this site has the worst interface, the worst search tools, the least amount of overall information as far as the search goes, but there are lots of other things that make it unique. 

The most telling thing about this site came when I decided to do a search for men out of curiosity.  And if you search for men, you see why this is the best site.  The competition is very small, especially for USA men (something like less than 100 or so within 5 years of my age).  A few good pictures, and some general knowledge of how to talk to women, and the ratios are so far in your favor.  Also, the chat you can send extra pictures, you can actually use it a like a viber almost, so it's worth it.  I was a gold member (again suspended now) but if you close your account, you lose your membership, whereas other sites maintain it.  That was the only bummer.   The other bells and whistles (personality test etc) are just fun, I didn't see any real value in them (all the women were almost exactly the same LOL..and I was basically opposite). 

I would give this a 10/10 stars.  I think I could visit a new woman from this site every 2-3 months if I had the resources.  The UI is the worst, but once you get past the clunkiness, the guts are the best.  I will definitely get a new account here and possibly try platinum status if I look further. 

** note ** I also got a free account at Elena's models, but their membership costs was very high.  I will say that the women that filled my inbox (that I could not reply to) were not as interesting as with cuteonly or dmnotify.  If this woman I'm with falls through, I may try this site as it is the most polished and would be fun to now compare.

Overall I spent like $200 for 3 months of membership.  About the cost of 2 dates in USA and have been very entertained, learned a lot and think it well worth it to try a couple approaches/websites if you go this route. 

Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: JohnDearGreen on December 30, 2017, 10:10:01 PM
dmnotify web site is registered to Irina Grebneva.  She is also associated with DM PLANET LLP and according to this post, many other sites:
http://www.romancescam.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=32125 (http://www.romancescam.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=32125)
Title: Great Analysis: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: ML on December 30, 2017, 10:36:38 PM
I just wanted to give my 2 cents on dating websites I tried. 

In November 2017 I joined this forum and immediately joined 3 websites.  Cuteonly.com, Ukrainedate.com and DMNotify. All of these are modeled after USA websites, sort of like match.com.  The prices are relatively similar, about $20-$30 a month.

I'd like to take a couple minutes to describe my experiences with each. 

Very excellent posting Gaspar; thanks a lot for it.

This is exactly the type of info that those in the hunt should be sharing.
Very specific analysis rather than just wild statements that some make about a site being great or terrible.

Thanks again.
Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: msmob on December 30, 2017, 11:22:42 PM
dmnotify web site is registered to Irina Grebneva.  She is also associated with DM PLANET LLP and according to this post, many other sites:
http://www.romancescam.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=32125 (http://www.romancescam.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=32125)


I often recommend DMNotify to friends of SC seeking a western man and guys seeking FSU W...   I would NEVER recommend a scam site

Have YOU had a bad experience with DMNotify or an associated site...is this your review ?

Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: JohnDearGreen on December 31, 2017, 12:00:00 AM
I am not Mr. "Foxy".   I simply implied she is one of the major players in the industry.   These sites appear to be registered or operated by her and her partner Nikolay, or their affiliated partners:
   RussianBridesAgency.com
   datingandmatchmaking.com
   allsinglerussiangirls.com
   www.rus-women.com (http://www.rus-women.com)
   7brides.ru


They will even let one of us build yet another affiliate web site with her help:
http://www.owndating.ru/ (http://www.owndating.ru/)


Blog entry even gives interesting ways to increase your web site income:
http://affiliater.ru/2016/05/ (http://affiliater.ru/2016/05/)
http://affiliater.ru/2015/04/ (http://affiliater.ru/2015/04/)    (click on the "6 comments", Payment to ladies?)


They list one of their goals is to be "rich and honest".   Not necessary to be
poor to be honest...
Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: msmob on December 31, 2017, 01:20:26 AM
I am not Mr. "Foxy".   I simply implied she is one of the major players in the industry.   

I apologise... my mistake ..

I thought your posting info from  site called 'romancescam'- discussing dmnotify and it's common database of sites implied a recommendation ...

Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: JohnDearGreen on December 31, 2017, 11:21:22 AM
Unfortunately, one bad affiliate can affect the reputation of multiple sites, as they probably share one common database of ladies.  As the blog mentioned, there was one instance of fake ladies being added, which was discovered and eliminated.   For those who like free sites, click on the link discussing payment to some ladies for being on the free web sites.
Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: IvanM07 on April 18, 2018, 04:32:06 PM
I've been trying to set up a few contacts to while getting ready for a trip next month, I read Gaspar's review and took his advice. Joined Cuteonly, DMNotify, and FDating. Of all 3 I get the most hits on F-Dating, with quite a few so far going off site onto Viber/Whatsapp and Skype and still going with a few of them.

Followed by DMNotify, I will get a lot of first responses but not a whole lot of response after that. The ones that I'm speaking to also only seem to get on-site once or twice a week.

Followed by Cuteonly. I think I've only gotten like 3 or 4 responses but they mostly died out after that.

What has everyone elses experiences been? F-dating I think has been best for me since I'm 27. There's been several women there exclaim that I'm the first person in a week that was under 50 and not Turkish to have contacted them lol. Maybe it's just down to the Demographics each site targets? The funniest initial response is the following -

"Анна: It's good luck for me to meet one trustful and fair person at least! I'm so freakin annoyed of men of my father's age who want dono what and turkish/arabic sex tourists whose options are goat or russian whore. Was considering of deleting my account."

Yeah that's one I'm still talking to she's pretty hilarious.
Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: krimster2 on April 18, 2018, 05:03:03 PM
IvanM07,

tell us more about yourself, the more we know about you, the easier it is to offer "sage" advice...
how much time can you get away from your regular life to devote to this...
past marriages, children, similar kinds of issues...

one piece of advice that absolutely will not fail you no matter your circumstances
learn as much Russian as you can...



Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: Sting23 on April 18, 2018, 05:13:18 PM
IvanM07,

learn as much Russian as you can...

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Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: IvanM07 on April 18, 2018, 05:14:55 PM
IvanM07,

tell us more about yourself, the more we know about you, the easier it is to offer "sage" advice...
how much time can you get away from your regular life to devote to this...
past marriages, children, similar kinds of issues...

one piece of advice that absolutely will not fail you no matter your circumstances
learn as much Russian as you can...

Krimster,

Thanks for the reply :)

I'm 27, 6'3, 220lbs, though I'm shooting to be back to 200 before I fly over next month. It's been a lazy Winter here.

No past marriages, no kids I'm aware of, no criminal record, currently learning Cyrllic still. I downloaded about 30GB of Pimsleur, Rosetta Stone, and a few other items for learning Russian. I had initially downloaded all Ukrainian learning materials but learned that pretty much everyone in that part of the world Speaks Russian.

I purchased one of those auto earbud/Smartphone translators. Cant say for Russian but for Spanish it works perfectly well 95% of the time aside from a sometimes wonky translation.

I think initially I was looking to spend 11-14 days over there. The flight to Kyiv will be free just from AA Points which makes it nice.

Realistically I can spend as much time as I need over there and work remotely. I work from a PC although the hours would be very strange I could make it work.
Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: krimster2 on April 18, 2018, 05:44:37 PM
well IvanM07,
   your purchases certainly demonstrate a commitment to your success!
however, let a veteran offer some practical advice!

Russian grammar will be time consuming to learn, it’s kinda like French with those gender rules, but lacking the grace of French

I’d recommend not depending on technical crutches and just go full immersion, but with some preparation...

for example, I recommend learning simple phrases, like the following:

I want to buy      ya hachoo kopeet

you can make a list of simple phrases you might attach some importance to in English
go to google translate and translate them in Russian and then click on a button and hear their pronunciation, then MEMORIZE it. 

once you do that you can learn some nouns, like beer is "piva", so if you want to buy a beer you say "ya hachoo kopeet piva".  simple, even an American like me can do this!!!

I’d go for the usual what where who why how phrases and then learn as many nouns/verbs as you can

this is how I started, it allowed me to have a 20 minute conversation with a tiny, frail little old man I met at Victory Day, who was a veteran of Stalingrad, at the end of the conversation he embraced me like I was his own son, you don’t get many chances to have an experience like that, and you have to speak Russian to do so...

the sabbatical idea is a good idea!  you can get high speed internet very cheaply in Kyiv
I spent 6 months in Kyiv doing this in 1996, hardly any foreigners there then...

I think you are the youngest I've seen doing this, you have a lot of potential to just play around there if you wanted to, are you sure you want to settle down so early in the game?




 
Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: Davo2 on April 18, 2018, 07:17:07 PM

What has everyone elses experiences been? F-dating I think has been best for me since I'm 27. There's been several women there exclaim that I'm the first person in a week that was under 50 and not Turkish to have contacted them lol. Maybe it's just down to the Demographics each site targets? The funniest initial response is the following -



I've only used Fdating and talked to older women 35-44. They had similar experiences to the girl you talked to as far as Arabs and Turks. They didn't have many men message them and those that did they generally described as sick men. When I started chatting to them, they commented that it was nice to talk to a "normal" man. I got the feeling that if you have a job, house, are family orientated and chat in a respectful manor, you have a big advantage over most other men on  there

 I don't have anything to compare to, but I got a good response rate, actually most replied to my opening message. This may have something to do with the age of the woman.  Like you probably a third died out quickly.  I think being from Australia helped. Our wild life, beaches and climate was of great interest to most of the women, that and the fact that I have custody and are the primary carer of my children, which they were amazed about.
Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: krimster2 on April 18, 2018, 07:26:55 PM
a trivial conversation about a serious subject!

guys...
when you’re just starting out...

make sure you completely remove ALL and I mean ALL facial hair around your lips!
why?
because some of you will have “stubble" that can easily irritate a woman’s sensitive skin after prolonged contact...
doing so will be considered a major faux paux on your part!



Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: krimster2 on April 18, 2018, 09:47:48 PM
BTW IvanM07,

I’m going to make an assumption that you are an earnest young Caucasian gentleman that is according to your own description 6‘3“ and can hopefully get your weight down to 200...

if you are of at least average, but hopefully above average facial looks, then let me tell you a story...

once upon a time I was in the McDonald’s in Kyiv waiting in line, in walked 2 USA marines in their civilian clothes, we flipped signs and exchanged greetings, there must have been over 100 people in there it was packed, but you could have heard a pin drop, 2 young twenty something all-American clean-cut guys built like linebackers, every woman in the place was drooling over them, I have never in my entire life seen anything like it! 

it’s because almost all western men in Ukraine are usually much older!!!

if you are even remotely close to being a young, white, “alpha” male, then MY MAN!!!
you are going to have it made!!!!

instead of actually working at finding sex, you are going to have to do the opposite!

OMG, do you realize your worth over there?
I don’t think you do...

Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: IvanM07 on April 18, 2018, 10:28:36 PM
....
the sabbatical idea is a good idea!  you can get high speed internet very cheaply in Kyiv
I spent 6 months in Kyiv doing this in 1996, hardly any foreigners there then...

I think you are the youngest I've seen doing this, you have a lot of potential to just play around there if you wanted to, are you sure you want to settle down so early in the game?

Haha, I've had my fun. Up until 3 months ago never thought about settling down or having kids. I don't know why or what changed, I just decided that's what I wanted now. Once I decide on something I tend to stick to that path barring some unforeseen circumstance :D

BTW IvanM07,

I’m going to make an assumption that you are an earnest young Caucasian gentleman that is according to your own description 6‘3“ and can hopefully get your weight down to 200...

if you are of at least average, but hopefully above average facial looks, then let me tell you a story...

once upon a time I was in the McDonald’s in Kyiv waiting in line, in walked 2 USA marines in their civilian clothes, we flipped signs and exchanged greetings, there must have been over 100 people in there it was packed, but you could have heard a pin drop, 2 young twenty something all-American clean-cut guys built like linebackers, every woman in the place was drooling over them, I have never in my entire life seen anything like it! 

it’s because almost all western men in Ukraine are usually much older!!!

if you are even remotely close to being a young, white, “alpha” male, then MY MAN!!!
you are going to have it made!!!!

instead of actually working at finding sex, you are going to have to do the opposite!

OMG, do you realize your worth over there?
I don’t think you do...

Haha well That's an ego boost for sure! I'll attach a pic of me and let y'all draw your own conclusions, I'd say I'm average. Pale as heck, but average.
Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: krimster2 on April 18, 2018, 10:52:27 PM
IvanM07,
   why did you send me a picture of Brad Pit, isn't that who that is? 8)

you will do just fine, I would stop a little and reflect on your choice to settle down at an early age...
you have a lot of freedom now that you will definitely NOT have AFTER you settle down...
this is a time to have adventure and experience as much of life as you can, before you get all the big responsibility of being a husband and father...
if you choose to give that up for a family now, you will never have that part of your life later...

you could wait 10 years and you would still have plenty of time for starting a family.
and meanwhile you could have a total blast over there, and live a life that would be beyond what most could even dream of...

also, be careful of "first woman you meet" syndrome, don't get fixated too early
if you went there to stay for awhile, it would be trivially easy for you meet super gorgeous women wherever you go in Kyiv, banks, stores, shopping, etc.
my guess is that if you learned enough basic Russian that you'd get about a 50% success rate on asking out these random women to lunch, etc...

also, 3 date rule...
if sparks ain't flyin by the third date, then they probably ain't gonna fly, and time to move on...

see my post about taking your GF to the sauna, this is definitely 3rd date material when you go together...

clean socks, bring lots of clean socks, best to have new shoes
why? Russians always take off shoes when entering a private residence, how very Japanese!!

find out what makes your GF laugh, and always do that
find her inner most fantasy and give it to her s-l-o-w-l-y

watch a lot of Russian and Ukrainian MTV!!!






 

Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: DaveNY on April 18, 2018, 11:29:43 PM
Krimster,

Thanks for the reply :)

I'm 27, 6'3, 220lbs, though I'm shooting to be back to 200 before I fly over next month. It's been a lazy Winter here.

No past marriages, no kids I'm aware of, no criminal record, currently learning Cyrllic still. I downloaded about 30GB of Pimsleur, Rosetta Stone, and a few other items for learning Russian. I had initially downloaded all Ukrainian learning materials but learned that pretty much everyone in that part of the world Speaks Russian.

I purchased one of those auto earbud/Smartphone translators. Cant say for Russian but for Spanish it works perfectly well 95% of the time aside from a sometimes wonky translation.

I think initially I was looking to spend 11-14 days over there. The flight to Kyiv will be free just from AA Points which makes it nice.

Realistically I can spend as much time as I need over there and work remotely. I work from a PC although the hours would be very strange I could make it work.

IvanM07 if you can spend significant amounts of time in a country looking for a wife get an educational visa which will entitle you to an extended stay and learn the local language from a local university.

In Moscow, Moscow State University offers Russian language courses of varying lengths year round, or at least they did a decade ago. The courses are taught by professionals and the students are from all over the world. Your future wife could end up being from Germany, Sweden or any number of countries in addition to Russia.
Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: krimster2 on April 19, 2018, 12:26:10 AM
off the top of my head I know of two medical schools, one in Russia and one in Ukraine that teach in English and are internationally recognized
I bet 5 minutes on Google would find more
for the price of a Honda, get a Medical degree while being surrounded by nubile young college students...
damn you could probably even make a YouTube video about your life style...

you know there's gotta be someone already doing this, "but them's that knows, don't says..."
if you're out there, let us know you're here, is it as good as I think it is???







Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: IvanM07 on April 19, 2018, 11:59:48 AM
IvanM07,
   why did you send me a picture of Brad Pit, isn't that who that is? 8)

you will do just fine, I would stop a little and reflect on your choice to settle down at an early age...
you have a lot of freedom now that you will definitely NOT have AFTER you settle down...
this is a time to have adventure and experience as much of life as you can, before you get all the big responsibility of being a husband and father...
if you choose to give that up for a family now, you will never have that part of your life later...

...

also, 3 date rule...
if sparks ain't flyin by the third date, then they probably ain't gonna fly, and time to move on...

see my post about taking your GF to the sauna, this is definitely 3rd date material when you go together...

clean socks, bring lots of clean socks, best to have new shoes
why? Russians always take off shoes when entering a private residence, how very Japanese!!

find out what makes your GF laugh, and always do that
find her inner most fantasy and give it to her s-l-o-w-l-y

watch a lot of Russian and Ukrainian MTV!!!

Haha on the Brad Pitt thing, Never been given that compliment before but I'll take it!

This is all great info to know, I suppose I still have plenty of time to figure out if someone I meet over there I do want to marry, at the very least it would be 5 or 6 trips plus a year or so for a K1 so it gives me plenty of time to reflect and make sure it's what I want.

I've read some trip reports where people seem to take their dates out and they're wearing a suit. Is that normal? I'm pretty informal and hate suits. After my folks wedding 5 minutes after the ceremony I was back in a collared shirt and Jeans at the reception lol.

I may need to make a separate thread called "Ivan's Faux Pas and Folleys" my First "error in translation" I guess you could say.

To start off, asking if a girl would like to meet for a date is the same in Ukraine as it is in America, right?

For whatever reason this girl I'd been talking to on DMnotify and later whatsapp thought I was propositioning her for a weekend at a hotel when I clearly said Date and mentioned some things around town I thought would be interesting (Park, freedom square, parasailing) and later dinner.

I've started getting better results on DMNotify after I stopped looking too deep into the personality compatibility and just playing the numbers game and sending a message to everyone that seemed interesting.

So far the most interesting is one girl Who is a Java Developer (We're both IT Nerds I guess)

IvanM07 if you can spend significant amounts of time in a country looking for a wife get an educational visa which will entitle you to an extended stay and learn the local language from a local university.

In Moscow, Moscow State University offers Russian language courses of varying lengths year round, or at least they did a decade ago. The courses are taught by professionals and the students are from all over the world. Your future wife could end up being from Germany, Sweden or any number of countries in addition to Russia.

I could stay for an extended period but probably not much more than a month at a time without having to return to my office, and attend some worthless progress meetings that could be covered in a paragraph email.

The job allows some remote ability but not total remote ability unfortunately :/
Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: alex330 on April 19, 2018, 02:12:51 PM
I've read some trip reports where people seem to take their dates out and they're wearing a suit. Is that normal? I'm pretty informal and hate suits.

Nah, at your age that's not normal man. Pass on that one.

To start off, asking if a girl would like to meet for a date is the same in Ukraine as it is in America, right?

Pretty much the same as far as I am aware. Just ask them out for lunch or dinner so there is no confusion.

So far the most interesting is one girl Who is a Java Developer (We're both IT Nerds I guess)

Would make it easier for her to get a decent job here once she lands.
Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: krimster2 on April 19, 2018, 03:45:32 PM
suit would only be for some special occasion...

otherwise dress in general just a notch above how you would dress in the US
popular colors for guys over there are black and gray, if you stray too far from this you will stand out...
I had a silver dollar belt buckle the ladies there all fancied, and I let them hold my old dog tags, so stuff like this can be cool...
get a couple of high thread-count silk shirts, some in solids and some in prints


if you're planning on some 5 star locations
then a good sports jacket in a conservative color with a dress shirt and a tie any color but black...

remember the socks/shoes issue..
look for concealable wallets that you can conceal on your person and make this part of your wardrobe and get used to carrying this

if you're in kyiv in the winter don't walk directly on the sidewalk below tall buildings!

every year, large icicles fall from these buildings, sometimes with fatal results

DO NOT go swimming in the Dnipro, but you can hang on the beach

bring a metal detector






Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: Trenchcoat on July 24, 2018, 04:51:53 PM
I have a question of the strategy that ML states on the op of this thread of contacting 800-1000 women and whittling it down. I know BillyB has suggested similar as well.

In this age of apps I find a lot of women, some even after the first message suggest moving over onto WhatsApp, Viber or Skype. Should I do so and continue my message filter process there or just refuse and continue to message on the dating site?

If I accept it equates to a load more work connecting to them all and then I find some want an instant message situation where I would be stuck messaging back and forth with just that one which could take half an hour or more - also possibly messing up my messaging order also.

On other hand if I knock them back while it's more convenient to handle it all one one site I'm bound to lose a fair few on refusing to move to the App. Some of the girls are very adamant in their wish to move thinges to the app and we know how refusing a FSW goes, lol.

My only other option is to ask them all of my filter questions up front on the first email and hope they reply with all or near enough all questions answered. Then once I sift & sort based on their responses I don't mind moving onto an App with them. I have ten filter questions - did not purposely decide on ten it just reached that number. So I don't know if too many for first message or perhaps preferable for them that it all comes up front for them.

Any thoughts?
Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: msmob on July 24, 2018, 09:32:23 PM
1/ The number is too high and impossible to control / remember all the ladies and what you discussed, previously

2/ FSU ladies will be 'filtering' you as fast ...
Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: ML on July 24, 2018, 09:48:25 PM
1/ The number is too high and impossible to control / remember all the ladies and what you discussed, previously

2/ FSU ladies will be 'filtering' you as fast ...

No, the number is not too high.  I have done it multiple times.

And, if you read my procedures, there is no need to remember all the ladies and what you discussed previously.  The man has to control the flow of messages and the frequency of contact; and he is using standardized messages.  Messages tailored exactly for one woman comes only near the end, when the list is down to 10-20.

However, I do note that TC has raised a good point; one which did not exist for me X years ago.
As he notes, refusal to give up control could mean losing some women.
That, along with any other 'filtering' the women are doing is fine; it whittles down the target group.

Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: DaveNY on July 24, 2018, 10:29:56 PM
I have a question of the strategy that ML states on the op of this thread of contacting 800-1000 women and whittling it down. I know BillyB has suggested similar as well.

1000 is a lot of women to keep track of manually. If you're going to contact that many women it is best to use software to track the women. A simple Excel or Access database would work or perhaps some CRM software.

Set up a program to store contact info, photos and other details. Set up a ranking system and then run some what if analysis to filter out women who don't meet your criteria. Make sure you set up the program so the criteria can be easily altered. After all it's likely you'll change your mind on some of your original assumptions.

In this age of apps I find a lot of women, some even after the first message suggest moving over onto WhatsApp, Viber or Skype. Should I do so and continue my message filter process there or just refuse and continue to message on the dating site?

If I accept it equates to a load more work connecting to them all and then I find some want an instant message situation where I would be stuck messaging back and forth with just that one which could take half an hour or more - also possibly messing up my messaging order also.

On other hand if I knock them back while it's more convenient to handle it all one one site I'm bound to lose a fair few on refusing to move to the App. Some of the girls are very adamant in their wish to move thinges to the app and we know how refusing a FSW goes, lol.

My only other option is to ask them all of my filter questions up front on the first email and hope they reply with all or near enough all questions answered. Then once I sift & sort based on their responses I don't mind moving onto an App with them. I have ten filter questions - did not purposely decide on ten it just reached that number. So I don't know if too many for first message or perhaps preferable for them that it all comes up front for them.

Any thoughts?

If messaging on the dating site is free why not? Haven't heard of too many that are. From what I understand it's cheaper to use a messaging app than a dating site.

If you going to use messaging apps you're going to have to use whatever apps are most common in the women's region. It's far easier for you to get an app that's not common in your country than it is for the women to get one that's not common in her country.
Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: msmob on July 24, 2018, 11:31:42 PM
ML I have read your thesis on multiple contacts and THIS poster could not manage to find 1000 women worth contacting in the first place))
Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: Trenchcoat on July 25, 2018, 12:54:11 AM
ML I think I get your drift, in that if a girl is real interested in you, she'll keep on contacting you. The girls that are not so interested will drop out along the way, that includes those that don't take me rejecting using the Apps well. Hence at the end I would be meeting a woman (or if I wish many women) who are very highly interested in me. Hence a greater chance of success as they would be close to infatuated with me to stay through all of that. It gets rid of all the time wasters, scammers and those not so interested. Am I correct?

Dave, well so far I have found Viber mos popular in Ukraine, WhatsApp in Russia and Skype used by women a fair bit in both countries so about a third each way. If they came up with an unusual one I could just suggest one of these three more mainstream ones, but like I say all more work. I think I can deal with it ok so long as it's just two or three dating sites I am dealing with. I think the software may just create more work so probably better not to worry about the ones I lose or possible guff ups.

I've noticed one or two of the women I was messaging online a fair bit so I think a few FSW do something similar to ML's Strategy as otherwise they probably figure from where they love remote & far flung it could take them a long time if they just sat and waited. The numbers still seem a bit daunting though.
Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: Boethius on July 25, 2018, 12:57:59 AM
Have you ever considered that you rejecting the apps tells them you’re not serious?  Of course not, as it’s all about you.
Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: Trenchcoat on July 25, 2018, 02:06:35 AM
Have you ever considered that you rejecting the apps tells them you’re not serious?  Of course not, as it’s all about you.

Well it is all about me yes ;D lol. Yes you may have a point there. It's something I have to consider carefully before embarking on this strategy. If I am pointlessly losing a load of women through rejecting using Apps then I may be hitting a brick wall needlessly. My only thought is to include my connect details for each one in with my original message as standard to avoid all the ordeal over which app and sending my connect details for each individually.
Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: John Gaunt on July 25, 2018, 03:34:55 AM
ML I think I get your drift, in that if a girl is real interested in you, she'll keep on contacting you. The girls that are not so interested will drop out along the way, that includes those that don't take me rejecting using the Apps well. Hence at the end I would be meeting a woman (or if I wish many women) who are very highly interested in me. Hence a greater chance of success as they would be close to infatuated with me to stay through all of that. It gets rid of all the time wasters, scammers and those not so interested. Am I correct?

Dave, well so far I have found Viber mos popular in Ukraine, WhatsApp in Russia and Skype used by women a fair bit in both countries so about a third each way. If they came up with an unusual one I could just suggest one of these three more mainstream ones, but like I say all more work. I think I can deal with it ok so long as it's just two or three dating sites I am dealing with. I think the software may just create more work so probably better not to worry about the ones I lose or possible guff ups.

I've noticed one or two of the women I was messaging online a fair bit so I think a few FSW do something similar to ML's Strategy as otherwise they probably figure from where they love remote & far flung it could take them a long time if they just sat and waited. The numbers still seem a bit daunting though.
Oh boy. Only in TrenchWorld could you go from messaging to infatuation.
Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: Trenchcoat on July 25, 2018, 07:03:22 AM
Right, just been thinking this process through. I will send out my first email with my top 5 filter questions then cut down the field from those responses. I would then send them out a second email with my remaining 5 filter questions and stating to them that I will send my App - Viber, Whatsapp, and Skype connect details in my next email. So hopefully I won't unecessarily lose too many women this way.

If I am able I will answer any of their specific questions but only if I am practically able to.

After the second filtering out and on the third email I shall give my App connect details and answer any questions as far as practically possible in brief. I won't ask any more questions on this third email.

Once the interested girls connect to me (hopefully the will still be some left by this stage) I will get into more conversational talk on the apps to get to know them better. From here I can try and bring them up on video chat in turn hopefully as it naturally seems to come about. From the video chat I will determine if I wish to meet the girl over a long weekend and if so make arrangements with her.

This is generally the way I may see this strategy working for me. I know from just the couple of girls I have on the go at the moment that unless I grapple with the process of this method quite tightly that it would probably most likely get out of hand pretty quickly.

I think I'll dona trial run of this with just a few girls first to see how it goes and adjust the process if needed so as to get the best results I think.
Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: IvanM07 on July 25, 2018, 08:15:18 AM
Right, just been thinking this process through. I will send out my first email with my top 5 filter questions then cut down the field from those responses. I would then send them out a second email with my remaining 5 filter questions and stating to them that I will send my App - Viber, Whatsapp, and Skype connect details in my next email. So hopefully I won't unecessarily lose too many women this way.

If I am able I will answer any of their specific questions but only if I am practically able to.

After the second filtering out and on the third email I shall give my App connect details and answer any questions as far as practically possible in brief. I won't ask any more questions on this third email.

Once the interested girls connect to me (hopefully the will still be some left by this stage) I will get into more conversational talk on the apps to get to know them better. From here I can try and bring them up on video chat in turn hopefully as it naturally seems to come about. From the video chat I will determine if I wish to meet the girl over a long weekend and if so make arrangements with her.

This is generally the way I may see this strategy working for me. I know from just the couple of girls I have on the go at the moment that unless I grapple with the process of this method quite tightly that it would probably most likely get out of hand pretty quickly.

I think I'll dona trial run of this with just a few girls first to see how it goes and adjust the process if needed so as to get the best results I think.

I never went through 800, maybe 1-200 or so on Fdating or Dmnotify. I'm lazy so I hired an Indian Programmer for $8 to make me a script/macro that would scrape the name from the message header and drop it into a form filled message, "Hey there -------, I'm Ivan! How's it going? :) It just got done raining here in Dallas, how is it there in ------?"

You're asking two questions, one which requires more of a response than "fine, thanks" For $8 it was worth it.

It didn't take more than one or two slightly more personalized questions to figure out if there was anything else worth talking about.

As a 2nd or 3rd question mentioning a hobbie you had that is interesting and asking if they had any exciting exciting hobbies or things they liked/wanted to do like Bungee jumping, SkyDiving or Robbing a bank also worked to pretty well too.
Title: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: 2tallbill on July 25, 2018, 10:38:31 AM

As a 2nd or 3rd question mentioning a hobbie you had that is interesting and asking if they had any exciting exciting hobbies or things they liked/wanted to do like Bungee jumping, SkyDiving or Robbing a bank also worked pretty well too.

Since, I am tall I would always write a letter to the tall girls. 90% the tall girls would
write me back, but one didn't so I sent her a letter saying "We aren't going to get
married and live happily ever after, if you don't write me back!" and that got me
a response.


When going through the profiles picking which photos I liked, and when I sent them
a letter, I would always comment on what caused me to choose them.

Example

I was looking through the profiles and then I saw your amazing sunny smile (or other
winning attribute) and I had to write you immediately before anybody else saw you
and swept you off your feet!

Or something like that.

Every first letter had at least one personalized line about them.

I never went through 800, maybe 1-200 or so on Fdating or Dmnotify.

I wrote thousands but it was over a period of 9 years. I never wrote to more
than a hundred or so at one time. I would have never been able to reply to
all the smitten FSUW.

Title: Pursuing FSUW 101. Filter questions
Post by: 2tallbill on July 25, 2018, 10:50:23 AM
Right, just been thinking this process through. I will send out my first email with my top 5 filter questions then cut down the field from those responses.

Hmmmmm............. filter questions. That could be an interesting and useful topic
for others, but since this is a sticky for newbies and I don't want to add 16 pages
of debate with the peanut gallery, I will ask you about your filter questions here

For those wanting to follow the filter question discussion, please come to this
thread for your comments, insights and theories.
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?action=post;topic=22008.1700;last_msg=487453

Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: Trenchcoat on July 25, 2018, 02:03:53 PM
Well, I've posted of to 20 women in Ukraine on Fdating as an initial sample test group - aLL aged between 28-34 and quite pretry might I say :D. I've had one reasonably positive response back already so will let you know how it goes with the rest in due course.
Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: BdHvA on July 25, 2018, 03:30:44 PM
Well, I've posted of to 20 women in Ukraine on Fdating as an initial sample test group - aLL aged between 28-34 and quite pretry might I say :D. I've had one reasonably positive response back already so will let you know how it goes with the rest in due course.

There are some 20 women in Ukraine who are an illusion richer.

Way to go Trench! You have managed to almost singlehandedly turned off more women from dating a foreign man in Ukraine than any one else.

PLEASE get a gold fish and try to keep it alive.
Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: ML on July 25, 2018, 05:19:04 PM
1000 is a lot of women to keep track of manually. If you're going to contact that many women it is best to use software to track the women. A simple Excel or Access database would work or perhaps some CRM software.

No, it is not.

Read my procedure thoroughly before you jump to conclusions about the procedures.

First of all;  for the 1000 you write, only about half are going to answer.

For those that do answer, you send your second standardized but well written and interesting message to them telling some about yourself and asking quite a few questions of them.

By asking a lot of questions, you cut down on the volume of questions they have time to ask of you.  In that manner, you can keep sending the standardized message until the group is whittled down to 100 or so.  With that group, you can spend some time with more detailed answers to their questions.

This is not Rocket Science or Brain Surgery; but it does take organizational skill.
Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: msmob on July 26, 2018, 07:49:17 AM
ML

A lot of time has passed since you last did this - there are app based dating sites and many ladies don't WANT to write... they'll want to video chat if they're interested

I certainly got a higher return rate than 50 percent 
Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: Trenchcoat on July 26, 2018, 08:15:24 AM
ML

A lot of time has passed since you last did this - there are app based dating sites and many ladies don't WANT to write... they'll want to video chat if they're interested

Which are?
Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: Trenchcoat on July 26, 2018, 08:31:24 AM
I must admit I am already running into problems with my approach on what ML does here. It seems I am asking way too many questions, 5 per email appears to be too many that the girls see it as an interview. Also I think I would be better off asking my questions within the text rather than as a list as this i s what Ihave been doing.

Even still the old way of asking a lot of questions seems to be a turn off for these women, perhaps as Moby suggests now that video chat has become more popular with them. It would figure hence why so many ask for a Viber, Whatsapp, Skype connection early on. So it is now more the girls than the guys that are after this, lol.

I think certainly the questions I have would need to be split over several more Emails I have than the two I planned for before going to the App connection details. I think in a lot of cases either the girl might become bored or she would be kicking her heels in about moving to an App, they seem to do that big time now is what Ihave noticed.

I think ML's method may struggle nowadays, the App messaging tends to be a lot more conversational and flowing. I think a standardised message would be difficult there as it tends to be shorter quicker messages.

Question now is, is how to tackle all of this situation present day?

I can only think of doing a standardised letter for the first one, perhaps with a maximum of three questions built into the message. The for the second have perhaps a maximum of two questions in a standardised small paragragh and then add on specific stuff to the lady and notification of move to an App. 
Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: IvanM07 on July 26, 2018, 11:25:45 AM
I must admit I am already running into problems with my approach on what ML does here. It seems I am asking way too many questions, 5 per email appears to be too many that the girls see it as an interview. Also I think I would be better off asking my questions within the text rather than as a list as this i s what Ihave been doing.

Even still the old way of asking a lot of questions seems to be a turn off for these women, perhaps as Moby suggests now that video chat has become more popular with them. It would figure hence why so many ask for a Viber, Whatsapp, Skype connection early on. So it is now more the girls than the guys that are after this, lol.

I think certainly the questions I have would need to be split over several more Emails I have than the two I planned for before going to the App connection details. I think in a lot of cases either the girl might become bored or she would be kicking her heels in about moving to an App, they seem to do that big time now is what Ihave noticed.

I think ML's method may struggle nowadays, the App messaging tends to be a lot more conversational and flowing. I think a standardised message would be difficult there as it tends to be shorter quicker messages.

Question now is, is how to tackle all of this situation present day?

I can only think of doing a standardised letter for the first one, perhaps with a maximum of three questions built into the message. The for the second have perhaps a maximum of two questions in a standardised small paragragh and then add on specific stuff to the lady and notification of move to an App.

I've had some women on cuteonly or dmnotify drill me with questions and it did feel like an interview. Mostly they were about aspirations, job, and if I wanted kids.

Keep your introductory message to 1 or 2 questions about them that they would want to talk about or reveal. If you can or feel like it personalize it some with what they say in their profile is something they like. Mostly general stuff though.
Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: jone on July 26, 2018, 12:05:56 PM
One thing I learned while interviewing FSU Women is never to reveal too much about one's self.  There is a direct correlation between a woman asking a bunch of questions and a woman with an attitude. 

I need a woman who can express herself without demanding information.  Very simply put, if a woman cannot be kind when she is interviewing a prospective mate, how do you think it will be living with her?

My goal has always been to develop relationships as naturally as possible given that you are really going around the world for a blind date. 

It is fun to ask general questions of a woman that allow her to engage you without thinking she is getting the third degree.  For instance, a woman from Dnepropetrovsk might get a question like:  You aren't a rocket scientist are you?   I remember asking a woman from Chelyabinsk where she was when the meteor hit close to her city. 
Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: ML on July 26, 2018, 12:11:25 PM
ML

A lot of time has passed since you last did this - there are app based dating sites and many ladies don't WANT to write... they'll want to video chat if they're interested


This is the place to add info, not just mention what is missing.

So . . . tell what are the app based dating sites.

This thread does always need constant updating to keep current; so everyone . . . do it!!!
Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: ML on July 26, 2018, 12:18:15 PM
I must admit I am already running into problems with my approach on what ML does here. It seems I am asking way too many questions, 5 per email appears to be too many that the girls see it as an interview. Also I think I would be better off asking my questions within the text rather than as a list as this i s what I have been doing.

You are quite right.
I didn't specify it,  but never a good idea to list questions, except in business correspondence.
The questions need to be in text, and not all in a row.
Always tell your answer to the question you are about to ask; then ask her the question.
i.e.  My favorite food is Italian . . . What is yours?
I like the woman on top . . . How about you?  (Just for humor . . . Don't ask this . . . Unless the woman has already initiated serious sex talk)
Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: ML on July 26, 2018, 12:25:15 PM
One thing I learned while interviewing FSU Women is never to reveal too much about one's self.  There is a direct correlation between a woman asking a bunch of questions and a woman with an attitude. 

Jon, my answer is not totally on spot with respect to the rest of what you wrote.

However, going back to my procedures as I originally laid them out . . .
I do tell a lot about myself in my series of messages.
The main advantage of this, along with my asking them questions, is that it gives them less incentive to ask me questions.
When you start out with 1,000 or so women (or men), you cannot be answering many of their questions.
So give them little opportunity to ask questions.
Only when you are down to 20-30 or so women (or men, as the case may be) can you have time to answer many questions.
Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: jone on July 26, 2018, 12:47:28 PM
ML,

We are not totally compatible on our views as to how to interview FSU women or the number of women to contact.  I was simply giving my opinion.
Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: Trenchcoat on July 26, 2018, 01:35:00 PM
ML,

We are not totally compatible on our views as to how to interview FSU women or the number of women to contact.  I was simply giving my opinion.

I don't know, I think ML is just saying to use the method he states as an opportunity to 'control' What you tell a women on your terms rather than her ask the questions on her terms and risk her interrogating you should she decide to pry deeper. So sounds a good idea to me. End of the day you are going to need to tell the girl a fair amount of stuff about yourself without leaving yourself exposed in order to build rapport. Otherwise she wouldn't know who the hell you are and if the shoe was on the other foot I would feel quesy about that too.
Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: Trenchcoat on July 26, 2018, 01:49:27 PM
I think though while I cacked up my approach to ML's method on this I am still not sure if it would work today. For the less popular or older women over forty maybe. For those women that are on the dating site frequently I wonder if the online dating scene all moves at a brisker pace these days.

With the hotties I messaged 28-34 I would say that most of them are on the dating site a lot checking in every few minutes I assume from their mobiles. I'm not sure if this is just to keep themselves at the top of the page or if they are communicating with many men. Certainly most seem to take a while to get back to me, say at least a good few hours, minimum. So I wonder if they are messaging with a load of men so a very vibrant scene or just finding some time outside of work to message back and just go on there to check messages and refresh screen to get them to the top of the search.
Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: John Gaunt on July 26, 2018, 02:14:30 PM
I don't know, I think ML is just saying to use the method he states as an opportunity to 'control' What you tell a women on your terms rather than her ask the questions on her terms and risk her interrogating you should she decide to pry deeper. So sounds a good idea to me. ЯEnd of the day you are going to need to tell the girl a fair amount of stuff about yourself without leaving yourself exposed in order to build rapport. Otherwise she wouldn't know who the hell you are and if the shoe was on the other foot I would feel quesy about that too.
You are attempting to form relationships with women who are prospective spouses. What is it you are afraid of exposing about yourself?
Oh, my bad, this is Trench. You have an awful lot you need to be careful not let them know about as they would scarper in a jiffy.  :)
Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: Boethius on July 26, 2018, 08:07:06 PM
Trench, your approaches have failed in the past, just as posters predicted.  Why not use the advice successful (by that, I mean men who have entered into relationships with FSUW) posters suggest?  Your pig headed stubborness is defeating you.
Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: Trenchcoat on July 26, 2018, 09:23:12 PM
Trench, your approaches have failed in the past, just as posters predicted.  Why not use the advice successful (by that, I mean men who have entered into relationships with FSUW) posters suggest?  Your pig headed stubborness is defeating you.

Well I was attempting to do what ML had done in the past (yes I know he never got with the ladies he sourced that way but instead a business associate) and I hear BillyB did the same. So like you say guys that were successful. Yet as Moby seems to have correctly pointed out stuff in the sting game has moved on a bit and writing to many like this doesn't seem to work that well these days.
Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: Bee Farmer on July 26, 2018, 10:03:38 PM
It has been my experience that if a woman is interested in me, she will ask questions.  The number of questions she asks is proportional to her interest.  Or maybe women simply find me fascinating. 

If I were writing 1000 women (and I personally would never do that) I would elevate a woman to the top of the list if she began asking many questions.  She sincerely wants to get to know me better.  The more questions a lady asks, the more she is investing in you emotionally.

If you're just looking for a date or a penpal, writing 1000 may be suitable.  But if you are searching for a life partner, you need to be able to filter those 1000 before writing.

I would highly encourage you to take the Myers-Briggs Type Indicator (MBTI) test and find out what personality type you are, and what personality type best matches yours.  Know thyself, as the saying goes.

It's also probably worthwhile to familiarize yourself with the psychology Big 5.  Know thyself, and know how to recognize her traits simply by what she writes.

Knowing your IQ is also worthwhile.  Understanding how to recognize IQ in others is helpful too.  Girls with a higher IQ than the guy usually want a man she can control.  Women normally go for a guy who has a higher IQ than her. (part of the dominance heirarchy)

This will allow you to eliminate a lot of profiles, simply by glancing at what they write.  Even if they are attractive, if you know your personality types are not compatible, there won't be chemistry.  If your personality types are compatible, you will find chemistry when you meet.

This knowledge will also help you ask better questions, which helps filter girls.  For example, object oriented girls are less likely to respond to abstract questions, and idea oriented girls are less likely to respond to concrete.

The only drawback is that depending on your personality type, (especially if you are idea oriented) you may go through 1000 profiles and not find any that stand out.

Hint: idea oriented people just found my post interesting.  Object oriented people's eyes glazed over by the second paragraph.
Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: msmob on July 26, 2018, 10:21:26 PM
Which are?

Trench, REALLY ?  How long have you been on this forum and don't realise how many dating apps there are ?

You seem to post from a mobile phone - judging by the spelling mistakes you/ I make when using one.... why not do a search ?

Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: Trenchcoat on July 26, 2018, 10:31:34 PM
Trench, REALLY ?  How long have you been on this forum and don't realise how many dating apps there are ?

You seem to post from a mobile phone - judging by the spelling mistakes you/ I make when using one.... why not do a search ?

If you mean stuff like Tinder, Badoo, Blendr, (I'll leave Grindr to you ;D ) I don't tend to find I get a high success rate with these apps nor particularly like them. I prefer the more inteenergy dating sites where you can see more stuff than just her pic, profile info for example.
Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: IvanM07 on July 26, 2018, 11:27:08 PM
I think though while I cacked up my approach to ML's method on this I am still not sure if it would work today. For the less popular or older women over forty maybe. For those women that are on the dating site frequently I wonder if the online dating scene all moves at a brisker pace these days.

With the hotties I messaged 28-34 I would say that most of them are on the dating site a lot checking in every few minutes I assume from their mobiles. I'm not sure if this is just to keep themselves at the top of the page or if they are communicating with many men. Certainly most seem to take a while to get back to me, say at least a good few hours, minimum. So I wonder if they are messaging with a load of men so a very vibrant scene or just finding some time outside of work to message back and just go on there to check messages and refresh screen to get them to the top of the search.

They get usually 20-30 messages a day. On F-dating it was usually from Turks or Guys over 45 messaging 20 somethings.

They may be trying to keep at the top of the results or just moving another message to the trashbin.

If your profile picture doesn't push them to click on your message and then your message is a generic "hey, sup" or a questionnaire that may be why they aren't responding.
Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: Trenchcoat on July 29, 2018, 02:35:38 AM
1000 is a lot of women to keep track of manually. If you're going to contact that many women it is best to use software to track the women. A simple Excel or Access database would work or perhaps some CRM software.

Set up a program to store contact info, photos and other details. Set up a ranking system and then run some what if analysis to filter out women who don't meet your criteria. Make sure you set up the program so the criteria can be easily altered. After all it's likely you'll change your mind on some of your original assumptions.

I'm actually quite keen on this contribution of yours now Dave :) I wasn't so much at first but I'm coming to realise that being highly organised on this search I think for me is the way forward.

I think ML's strategy is that you simply don't care about keeping in with the messaging. That the most interested women stick in to the end or at least enough of them. I can see it's merits and he could be right. I'm not sure though it's something I can bring myself to do at the moment and I think Boethius point on rejecting moving to app messaging making them think I'm not serious is something to consider with this strategy.

I find I quite like the idea of messaging a few women using ML's strategy, maybe up to 20 or more and filtering down from there. I find with a fair few women their time is split with either work or other guys they are messaging so they don't get back to me a lot. Maybe they don't have the required interest Idk. The other thing is I find a lot of girls diverge into different questions. ML's strategy of asking them a fair few questions each email may help stop thus a bit but I think it will still occur a bit and it get a bit arduous keeping up.

I'm going to have another go this Monday with another sample of say 10-20 girls using my revised messages this time with the questions built into the message and see how I get on :)
Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: Trenchcoat on July 29, 2018, 02:42:32 AM
If you mean stuff like Tinder, Badoo, Blendr, (I'll leave Grindr to you ;D ) I don't tend to find I get a high success rate with these apps nor particularly like them. I prefer the more internet dating sites where you can see more stuff than just her pic, profile info for example.

I feel it important to state to readers that such above dating apps may have a high volume of Scammers and prostitutes on as Gaspar has found in his Paris + Kiev trip report and other news off the internet. I certainly have found them little joy in meeting anyone which is probably just as well and have now deleted them off my phone. They're pure trash if you ask me.
Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: msmob on July 29, 2018, 05:09:44 AM


I think ML's strategy is that you simply don't care about keeping in with the messaging. That the most interested women stick in to the end or at least enough of them. I can see it's merits and he could be right.

IMHO it is absolutely NOT te why to go and ML didn't met his wife using this 'technique' ..

It is hardly surprising that you would choose a method that doesn't require too much interaction ...

As I said before - his getting only a 50 percent response rate should be a 'clue' ....   Choose your targets wisely and you should get nearer 100 percent - if the lady is serious
Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: Trenchcoat on July 29, 2018, 05:37:33 AM
IMHO it is absolutely NOT te why to go and ML didn't met his wife using this 'technique' ..

It is hardly surprising that you would choose a method that doesn't require too much interaction ...

As I said before - his getting only a 50 percent response rate should be a 'clue' ....   Choose your targets wisely and you should get nearer 100 percent - if the lady is serious

It's funny you state this Mobers it's what's been weighing on my mind just these past few moments. Ultimately this strategy failed for ML as after meeting a load of women with it none of them matched up to he's choice which apparently was a lady he met through his business dealings over there.

Even my small taste of the visit many, well it was ok but had a slight 'speed dating' feel about it. However, I am also aware that one can invest a lot of time interacting with the wrong woman and hence much wasted time.
Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: ML on July 29, 2018, 06:52:25 AM
Moby:  IMHO it is absolutely NOT the way to go and ML didn't met his wife using this 'technique' ..

It's funny you state this Mobers it's what's been weighing on my mind just these past few moments. Ultimately this strategy failed for ML as after meeting a load of women with it none of them matched up to he's choice which apparently was a lady he met through his business dealings over there.

Both of these statements are wrong.

The strategy did not fail for me.  I did meet a load of women, and several of them would have made good wives.   I had return trips to visit several of them, we went on vacation trips, etc.  Three of them came to USA on business and tourist visas and spent time with me.  This time I spent on WMVM trips and follow ups was one of the best times of my life.  Many of the guys here would have jumped at the chance to start visa process for any one of them immediately.

Ultimately I just wasn't really ready to settle down.

And I DID meet my  current wife through this same WMVM process.
The WMVM process doesn't mean that all women have to be contacted through dating websites.
I have met women on WMVM trips that happen to be neighbors in my apartments, met at consulting jobs, theatres, etc.
That I had briefly met current wife many years earlier through my business dealings with her husband was irrelevant.
We corresponded before my trip just like with the other women, so she was part of the WMVM process and trip.
Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: Trenchcoat on July 29, 2018, 08:27:47 AM
Well I guess that's how one could view it. ML tell me though how did you deal with the women's response to just a meeting? Many upon hearing that you were just there to see them for a meet of perhaps just a few hours would know that you are not flying all the way from the US just to see them briefly. Surely they knew you were seeing other girls? I wouldn't have thought that would go down well from what I've experienced.
Title: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: 2tallbill on July 29, 2018, 11:16:22 AM
Well I guess that's how one could view it. ML tell me though how did you deal with the women's response to just a meeting? Many upon hearing that you were just there to see them for a meet of perhaps just a few hours would know that you are not flying all the way from the US just to see them briefly. Surely they knew you were seeing other girls? I wouldn't have thought that would go down well from what I've experienced.

My theory is slightly different than ML's.

In my opinion, if you are going to meet many, then don't use the tactics that
people who are going to meet only one.

The tactics for meeting one and meeting many are totally different. You want
to blend them both together and it will frustrate you for all eternity and you
are probably too hard headed to realize this so, go do it and when you want
to improve come back and read this.

Tactics for meeting one girl: You write a zillion girls and sift through the girls
till you have it narrowed down to one girl and then go visit her.

NOTE: That is a high risk/reward proposal. You are putting all your hopes into
one girl. If you want to do this then you need to have a backup plan. A very
bad backup plan is to meet the second and third place girls that you rejected
previously.

The best backup plan is to go meet new girls.
The worst backup plan is to sit in your apartment and mope around feeling sorry
for yourself and then go write on scam sites that the girl is a scammer because
she didn't fall in love with you.

If you want to meet many, then you don't write many letters, ask them a couple
questions at most and then ask them to meet you for tea. If you hit it off with the
girl pursue her, if you don't then you move on.
DON'T ask her on another date if you didn't hit it off just because she's hot!!!

What you are doing is exchanging many, many letters with many girls and try to
meet with several of them. That isn't going to work for you. You are going to constantly
find that the girls are upset that you're seeing other girls instead of just them.

Don't mix tactics. If you visit many you write a few letters. If you visit one then you
write many letters and skype and phone etc.


Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: LAman on July 29, 2018, 11:54:52 AM
My theory is slightly different than ML's.

In my opinion, if you are going to meet many, then don't use the tactics that
people who are going to meet only one.

The tactics for meeting one and meeting many are totally different. You want
to blend them both together and it will frustrate you for all eternity and you
are probably too hard headed to realize this so, go do it and when you want
to improve come back and read this.

Tactics for meeting one girl: You write a zillion girls and sift through the girls
till you have it narrowed down to one girl and then go visit her.

NOTE: That is a high risk/reward proposal. You are putting all your hopes into
one girl. If you want to do this then you need to have a backup plan. A very
bad backup plan is to meet the second and third place girls that you rejected
previously.

The best backup plan is to go meet new girls.
The worst backup plan is to sit in your apartment and mope around feeling sorry
for yourself and then go write on scam sites that the girl is a scammer because
she didn't fall in love with you.

If you want to meet many, then you don't write many letters, ask them a couple
questions at most and then ask them to meet you for tea. If you hit it off with the
girl pursue her, if you don't then you move on.
DON'T ask her on another date if you didn't hit it off just because she's hot!!!

What you are doing is exchanging many, many letters with many girls and try to
meet with several of them. That isn't going to work for you. You are going to constantly
find that the girls are upset that you're seeing other girls instead of just them.

Don't mix tactics. If you visit many you write a few letters. If you visit one then you
write many letters and skype and phone etc.


Maybe you should update your 'tactics'. Letter writing? I don't remember last time I wrote a letter to a girl. World is different now, it is 'conversations' now using apps available on phones. You write a couple messages, get contact info(phone not email) and use WhatsApp or viber ( skype ok too) to get to know girl through messages, phone conversations in audio/video.
Title: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: 2tallbill on July 29, 2018, 10:29:00 PM

Maybe you should update your 'tactics'. Letter writing? I don't remember last time
I wrote a letter to a girl. World is different now, it is 'conversations' now using apps
available on phones. You write a couple messages, get contact info(phone not email)
and use WhatsApp or viber ( skype ok too) to get to know girl through messages,
phone conversations in audio/video.

I've never written a paper letter to a girl in the FSU. I sent messages as well.
Exchange the word letter with your word message and my advice is the same.


Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: msmob on July 29, 2018, 10:41:03 PM
Moby:  IMHO it is absolutely NOT the way to go and ML didn't met his wife using this 'technique' ..

Both of these statements are wrong.

ML, no one knows better how they met their wife than themselves - my apologies


I was sure I read you met her through biz dealings with her ex and reconnected ... IF that was the case - it's hardly the result of a WMVM

You go on to say you were conducting WMVM but weren't ready to settle down ..  So - you WEREN'T looking for a partner to settle down with ... just 'fun' ..

May be WMVM is 'better' if you seek fun ? ;)






Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: LAman on July 30, 2018, 12:14:11 AM
I've never written a paper letter to a girl in the FSU. I sent messages as well.
Exchange the word letter with your word message and my advice is the same.


I was not speaking of paper letters, I was speaking of letters in emails, which are archaic now. There is a difference between a letter and a message. My messages were one liners...maybe a second in a CONVERSATION with someone.

I have many different conversations(messaging) with 15-20 girls over several months and I am a WMVM, which goes against your advice.
Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: msmob on July 30, 2018, 01:42:44 AM

I was not speaking of paper letters, I was speaking of letters in emails, which are archaic now.

Indeed, you're still searching and having fun ....

There is a difference between a letter and a message. My messages were one liners...maybe a second in a CONVERSATION with someone.

I have many different conversations(messaging) with 15-20 girls over several months and I am a WMVM, which goes against your advice.

How long HAVE you been searching and how's it working out for you ?   

My last FSUW search ended over five years ago and I have no idea if emails are 'out' - but I DO know giving out Whatsapp / Viber means you are giving away one's contact tel number - whereas with SKYPE that is not the case ...


I know you can block a contact - but they can easily contact you again with a new number ..With Skype you can choose to receive calls from contacts only ..

It would seem you have been searching for a long time and yet you still suggest WMVM is 'the way' .....


Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: northkape on July 30, 2018, 04:32:56 AM
Even though I absolutely agree with ML about the advantages of WMVM strategy,,,
Ever since writing my story, (read it here: http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=15509.0 )   
My mind has been pondering on whether or not it's advisable for most men to do.

Bo clearly has a point when saying "I believe a man has to be exceptionally comfortable with women, even "smooth", to succeed with this type of strategy."

And not only that, a man using this strategy, has to know almost exactly what he is looking for, and also how to quickly identify a qualified prospect.
Without this ability, there is no way for him to know when to move on, or when to "slow down for verifying", and finally when to consider his mission completed.
It also means being able to say "good bye" to beautiful women where he have immediate good chemistry, and an enjoyable comfortable meeting with. 
On top of this comes the logistic chaos he has to sort out, continually throughout his search.
I have seen, throughout my life, that few men possess such qualifications.

Anyway,,,,,,
For any man planning a search strategy, I would advise the following:

Avoid communicating a lot, and getting emotionally involved early on,,,,
"you are working overtime at work almost every evening",  so you don't have "free time" for communicating every day. Any woman will be happy to have two nice and well written messages, including a new photo from your life, and a short Skype session every week.

From the start of communicating, you tell the women that you will have the opportunity to visit Ukraine in the near future, related to something in your work. And that it might be possible to take a day off to visit her.

Plan on seeing more than one woman, before making a decision. Something in between WMVM and WOVO. Write and communicate with as many as you feel comfortable with, and after a month or two, visit a few, maybe 3 - 4 for a short coffee date in the middle of the day, close to where they are living. Then you have all evening if the chemistry is good. If not, both of you just says thanks for the meeting after an hour or so, and leave. If chemistry is good, you tell her that you will have another chance for  a trip to Ukraine in the near future, and would like to meet with her again. So she can expect to hear from you as soon as you are back home again. Next day, repeat. After two or more trips, you should have at least two that you want to meet again for a full day or two. Hopefully, after going through this a couple of times, you have a good prospect that you want to spend more time with.

Like ML said, writing smart and telling a lot about yourself, means you can avoid a lot questions and reuse most text again and again. But try to include a few things directly related to her profile and her letters. Photos can be from your neighbourhood, family, friends, animals, nature, events, work, activities, map showing where you live,,, on and on. Avoid photos of items like expensive cars, boats and similar. Never talk about money or tangible things, instead focus on all wonderful things in life that are for free,,, family, children, friends, animals, nature, music, cooking, reading, walking, and so on.

When she asks when you will come to Ukraine and where you will be living, you don't know yet. A few days before arriving in Ukraine, you ask if it will be possible to meet with her on a specific day at noon. You will arrive in Kiev, but still don't know exactly where you will be staying. Having a rental car, makes this game a lot easier to play. You arrive at her place, pick her up and go to Mc.Donalds or similar for a cup of coffee. And when finished you drop her off, and disappear in the car.

Have more than one phone, at least one smartphone that is clean, no photos, messages or phone list with other women, but with a lot of photos from your life. Let her sit looking at photos, what music you like, your interests, bookmarks, and so on. All women I met with, loved to look at all photos on my phone (that was always open without a password), and of course checking what else might be there. Besides you will have another phone (or two) with a local sim card that you use for communicating with prospects, very important when you are communicating through message apps on the phone.
It helps giving the woman the impression, that you are meeting only with her.
(I used three iPhones five years ago, one was with the phone number of my date at the moment and for google translate)



 
Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: ML on July 30, 2018, 08:35:04 AM
You go on to say you were conducting WMVM but weren't ready to settle down ..  So - you WEREN'T looking for a partner to settle down with ... just 'fun' ..

May be WMVM is 'better' if you seek fun ? ;)

As typical, you are rearranging to suit your purpose.

My words were:

"The strategy did not fail for me.  I did meet a load of women, and several of them would have made good wives.   I had return trips to visit several of them, we went on vacation trips, etc.  Three of them came to USA on business and tourist visas and spent time with me.  This time I spent on WMVM trips and follow ups was one of the best times of my life.  Many of the guys here would have jumped at the chance to start visa process for any one of them immediately.  Ultimately I just wasn't really ready to settle down."

I pursued the WMVM in good faith with goal of finding a wife.
But after finding several good prospects . . . I did not marry them . . . realizing I just wasn't ready to settle down.

This is entirely different from your rearranging the sequence to read:  "conducting WMVM but weren't ready to settle down"

Intellectual dishonesty.
Title: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: 2tallbill on July 30, 2018, 11:50:34 AM
I have many different conversations(messaging) with 15-20 girls over several months and I am a WMVM, which goes against your advice.

Yes, I disagree with your tactics.
Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: ML on July 30, 2018, 11:55:08 AM
Quote from: 2tallbill on Today at 12:29:00 AM
I've never written a paper letter to a girl in the FSU. I sent messages as well.
Exchange the word letter with your word message and my advice is the same.



I was not speaking of paper letters, I was speaking of letters in emails, which are archaic now. There is a difference between a letter and a message. My messages were one liners...maybe a second in a CONVERSATION with someone.

I have many different conversations(messaging) with 15-20 girls over several months and I am a WMVM, which goes against your advice.

I am lost here LAman.  What is it that 'goes against your (Big Bill's) advice?
Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: LAman on July 30, 2018, 03:53:09 PM
Quote from: 2tallbill on Today at 12:29:00 AM
I've never written a paper letter to a girl in the FSU. I sent messages as well.
Exchange the word letter with your word message and my advice is the same.


I am lost here LAman.  What is it that 'goes against your (Big Bill's) advice?


Writing letters to girls ML, in my post above I said I haven't written any letters for several years. Letters were written in emails, I communicate in messages on phone using apps.

Bill said on WMVM, you don't write many letters to girls you visit, then he equated letters to messages, and I send many messages to girls over several months and will visit many of them. We just disagree on 'tactics'
Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: LAman on July 30, 2018, 03:56:43 PM
Yes, I disagree with your tactics.

Gotcha !! ))

How many years has it been since you were dating?
Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: GQBlues on July 30, 2018, 05:15:02 PM
I feel for you, Newbs..LOL! Some of these threads are too funny if not downright painful to read.

Dating FSUWs is no different than dating western women. If anything, considering favorable MOB advantages afforded WM, it is (or should be) much, much easier. Some had even pegged this pursuit *fishing in a barrel* before. If some of you are having a tough time at this juncture, dare I say the real challenge then is being true to yourself. Period. Just own up to the fact that the problem lies with YOU. Work on that/yourself and you'd be much better for it.

It has little to nothing to do with your 'approach' - or more importantly, women.

WOVO have their respective following, as do WMVM. If you do not have the personality to do one or the either, don't. It's tough enough as it is to be so outside your surrounding and environment when you get there without having to try to do something you just don't have the personality to do. As with so many of you, you try to compensate for these failings by leading with your money, only to end up broke with nothing to show for it.

I'm a WMVM guy. My mojo had always been, how do you know you made the right choice if you never had choices to begin with? After all, a WMVM is WOVO waiting to happen.
 
Mind you, these were all before Skype/Messenger/WhatsApp, etc...Yet, I never wasted my time writing drivels and letters to each of the women. Sh1t, are you guys nuts?!? The whole get-to-know chapter happens, as it should, AFTER I met (you meet) the gals in person and if it's warranted. My time, my rules. Period. I can write an entire book how each of the gals were anxious for my upcoming trip. No BS. So much so, THEY call me here in L.A. Or be always at home when *I* call. Some even send packages to me. Some, months later after I had already committed myself to my present wife, were still trying to keep in contact - just in case. One gal even wrote me an email 4 years after I got married just to see how everything is. She had apparently married an American and moved to the east coast but the marriage apparently didn't work out.

Additionally, I never subscribe to all these *FSUWs are yada, yada, yada...* Men who say that run short with their social calendar..

Sure, I was superficial in the women I chose at first contact, why not? You don't know any of these ladies to be in a position to make any other choices. We/I then refined that process of selection through natural progression. I invested 3 months before I went. It was a one-shot deal for me. Living and enjoying life at home was still a very viable option for me. Women are women the world over. So I wasn't planning on wasting my time with this anymore than I planned to. I still dated at home through that 3 months time, though not seriously.

There is *nothing* on this board that can help your cause more than YOU can *honestly* do for yourself. Just take a little bite of reality, is all. Just be honest with the gals, yourself and who you are. Then just let the chips fall where they may. You can't force fit this experience.
Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: ML on July 30, 2018, 06:29:32 PM
Pretty sound advice GQ.
Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: 2tallbill on July 30, 2018, 07:55:34 PM
Gotcha !! ))

How many years has it been since you were dating?

5 years
Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: msmob on July 31, 2018, 12:36:12 AM
As typical, you are rearranging to suit your purpose.

You are mistaken

I did not 'rearrange', nor is it a pattern, sir !

Your explanation - despite your 'clarification' - IMHO suggested fun meant lots of sexual encounters whilst you had not intention of settling down - right ?

'Good faith' ?



Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: msmob on July 31, 2018, 12:41:38 AM


Sure, I was superficial in the women I chose at first contact, why not?

....



 Just be honest with the gals, yourself and who you are.

Hmm, does not this advice conflict ?

BTW, I was thinking I would be eating some serious humble pie re Tiger's performance at The Open .. It was great to see him competing to win, but I was glad for Molinari   

Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: GQBlues on August 01, 2018, 01:12:31 PM
Hmm, does not this advice conflict ?..


Not for me. By 'superficial', I meant choosing simply based on 'looks'. After all, there really isn't much to go by when one looks at a profile beyond the photos since I don't buy much of what those 'canned' profile say. She looks cute. Now let's find out the person behind it.

As for honesty, I tell them my intent on the intro letter and afford them the option to say 'yeay' or 'nay' - respectfully. I state my point and reinforced it by saying that I more than encouraged them to be open to meet as many men as well, locally or otherwise, until such point we meet in person and be able make a rational decision if there will be reasons to continue, get to know each other better, and eventually - if we're compatible to pursue anything further.

I don't mind competition. Matter of fact, I not only like it, I prefer and encourage it. It assures me the gal have a sound basis for her life changing decision. As do I.

I don't do back-ups, I didn't lie, nor did I conceal my intentions as many men here advice newbies to do.

To me, these are all chance meetings. Natural progression. My get-to-know period happens AFTER the chance meeting, not before. had I come back home without any reason to pursue, I would've been comfortable with that as there are options at home and elsewhere.
Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: Trenchcoat on August 01, 2018, 01:35:06 PM

Mind you, these were all before Skype/Messenger/WhatsApp, etc...Yet, I never wasted my time writing drivels and letters to each of the women. Sh1t, are you guys nuts?!? The whole get-to-know chapter happens, as it should, AFTER I met (you meet) the gals in person and if it's warranted. My time, my rules. Period. I can write an entire book how each of the gals were anxious for my upcoming trip. No BS. So much so, THEY call me here in L.A. Or be always at home when *I* call. Some even send packages to me. Some, months later after I had already committed myself to my present wife, were still trying to keep in contact - just in case. One gal even wrote me an email 4 years after I got married just to see how everything is. She had apparently married an American and moved to the east coast but the marriage apparently didn't work out.


Did they know you were rich already and living in LA? ;D

For me I would not do it this way, I agree on not writing drivels but building a bit of rapport before visiting can pay dividends and help avoid flake outs. This is what I learned form my trip to Lviv where I tried to meet girls on the hoof, ok I messed up a bit in pre-correspondence and it wasnt pre-coresspondence before the trip but all the same. I felt I was taking a shot in the dark meeting with these girls and they probably felt just the same or worse.

By the same token I can see that a lot of time can be wasted on writing drivels for months onlt to find the girl was not right. Sure if the right questions are asked a lot can be garnered but if it doesn't work out its a lot of labour time and effort writing & skyping. So I think somewhere between the two approaches might well be the best place to head for and generally that is what I'm doing at the moment.
Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: GQBlues on August 01, 2018, 02:03:30 PM
... So I think somewhere between the two approaches might well be the best place to head for and generally that is what I'm doing at the moment.


...and that's where you need to exercise your wits and creative self to separate yourself and stand out from the herd. What I did worked wonders.
Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: msmob on August 02, 2018, 12:49:39 AM

Not for me. By 'superficial', I meant choosing simply based on 'looks'.

thanks for the clarification
Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: Trenchcoat on August 17, 2018, 06:23:53 PM
ML, just curious to know on this one, what was your initial criteria on which the seems 1000 women were selected?
Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: DaveNY on August 17, 2018, 07:10:51 PM

Dating FSUWs is no different than dating western women. If anything, considering favorable MOB advantages afforded WM, it is (or should be) much, much easier. Some had even pegged this pursuit *fishing in a barrel* before. If some of you are having a tough time at this juncture, dare I say the real challenge then is being true to yourself. Period. Just own up to the fact that the problem lies with YOU. Work on that/yourself and you'd be much better for it.


WM may have had an advantage in the 90s when Russia was just coming out of communism or when Russia went into a bad recession but now, at least in the major cities, IMO WM do not have an advantage over RM. In fact WM are probably at a disadvantage. There are many reasons for this, some are:

Most WM who visit Russia don't speak Russian or Ukrainian or any of the local languages.

Many FSUW believe WM are simply sex tourists. This notion has been widely promoted by the Russian and Ukrainian governments for at least the last 15 years.

FSUW know that WM are generally not going to be in country for longer than a few weeks. In fact the vast majority of WM who write FSUW never travel to any FSU country. FSUM live there permanently.

I agree that there is nothing that makes FSUW substantially superior to women from other countries however they do have a culture different from the US, UK and other western countries. WM do not understand this culture, of course FSUM do.

Most WM will never learn Russian or other FSU languages well enough to converse on even a conversational level. Learn her language learn her culture. By learning her language you learn her culture, at least to some degree.

I always advise men who want to meet women from a non English speaking to learn her language. I've never meet a foreign woman who said she wished her husband didn't understand her language and culture so well. Met plenty of foreign women who said her husband needs to learn her language.   

With respect to your potential wife's culture. Many American men know if you marry a Filippino woman you will probably be sending money to her family. The same MAY be true of FSUW. Some families of FSUW believe in this others don't. YMMW.

Most FSUW love their country. They are not going to instantly love your country and even after decades there may still prefer their birth country. There's no getting around this.

A couple of years ago my wife and I were at an anniversary party. The couple were an Ukrainian woman and an American man who were celebrating their tenth.

I had been talking to one of the men who left to get a refill and started to listen to a conversation my wife and 5 other women were having. The topic of conversation, would you return to your country if your husband died? One of the women was from China the others were all FSUW. The only woman who would go home was from Kazakhstan. 

She was from a small town outside of Aktau and found NYC crowded. They didn't have children. All the other women wanted to stay. All had children and were or had been employed. You should not extrapolate this to include all American men/FSUW marriages. Again YMMV. 
Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: ML on August 17, 2018, 08:31:26 PM
ML, just curious to know on this one, what was your initial criteria on which the seems 1000 women were selected?

Every man can be different, so not much value in knowing what another's criteria was.

But anyway, I screened on:
Age range
Height range
Weight range which I had to do separately for each height, so time consuming.
Some English
No smoking
No or moderate drinking
Minimum bachelors degree

And yes, what they posted regarding above isn't always correct, but I didn't find any serious discrepancies with the gals I ended up spending a lot of time with.

Unlike many other guys here, I didn't pay too much attention to photos as they often might not give correct situation, and most of the gals in Ukraine are not too bad looking anyway.  I am more of a body man than a face man.  There were only a few that I met that were 'butt ugly.'  Even those, I treated decently and kept meeting as short as possible.
Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: 2tallbill on October 29, 2018, 05:38:44 PM
I copied the information below from a post that GQBlues took the effort to post
in another thread. I posted it here so it wouldn't be lost.

See below

The premise in all of this is you're pursuing the FSU scene with marriage as an underlying possibility/probability (as oppose to merely getting laid - not saying you are). This doesn't negate anything you accustomed yourself into doing socially. Everything is a process regardless which approach is taken. Thus, proceed with a process that's 'trusted', comfortable and natural to you. Geography or culture doesn't change that, IMO. Doing things differently only means you're being someone you're not to suit a temporary 'fix'. That'll just get you in trouble in the long run. Guaranteed.

So, let me share with you what I did. I will only speak of myself as I only know what I can do. Not implying you do the same..Here goes:

I made up my mind to give this route one shot. Like you, I had options at home and everywhere else, so the FSU was just one of the options. The best thing for me to handle this was so much more different than what everyone seem to have done based on what they shared of their experiences. That's OK with me as I stayed true to myself by sticking to my 'norm'. I am not overwhelmed in the presence of gorgeous women. I don't give a hoot who. I've been used to it all my life. So I maintained presence of mind regardless of situations.

Then:

1. I susbcribed to EM with their then-early mailers of 'upcoming' list of women before they appeared in their website.
2. First email is short and sweet (content in both language/subject header in Russian). Two photos attached. Basic introduction. My intent and premise - the opportunity to meet in person (given estimated time of my trip).
3. Encouraged them to meet as many men as they like, as I plan to do the same with FSUWs, which also included me still dating women here at home. Period. Some said, no way, so I remained gracious and respectful for those who responded 'nay' and thanked them for their honesty. Others agreed with me (you'd be surprised how many 'agreed apprehensively. Few readily. Plenty nonetheless).
4. w/ English language knowledge only. Fluency is not necessary.

Here's where I may have done something few, if none, did the same. With 2-3 months before my trip, and being a WMVM, I didn't want to be burdened with a barrage of emails/phone calls with numerous women before the trip. That's a waste of time and energy. For me, I feel there should NOT be any emotional connection during this time. I'll get to know the person AFTER we meet and acknowledged that by then an opportunity of getting to know each other better is warranted. So how do I accomplish this?

2002-2003 was before Skype/Facebook/most Social media...so I had to be creative, do something that will separate me from everyone else, but also somehow maintain continued interest without laboring the process and writing redundant emails for so many gals for the entire 2-3 months.

So what I did is this: at the time, there was a website (webcrawler, IIRC) that offered a 'free', limited webpage. 4 pages. So I took the 'free' offer.

1st page: Intro, the genesis of why I'm pursuing FSU, a small tidbit of who I am and where I live and a good sized picture of me.
2nd page: pictures page (update per your mood), of you, w/ friends, places you've been to, in essence it'll be like they're there with you and sees the things you're seeing; (Eventually, my 2nd page became a mirror of the first page but written in Russian and with a different picture - there's a story of how that came to be).
3rd page: postings of recent events in my life (nothing personal). Could be anything random. It's like telling a friend your day, sports you played, general recent experiences (update per your mood);
4th page: a little bit of history about you re: childhood, trips, notable achievements, favorites things to do; etc...(update per your mood). I did most of these in a story-telling fashion. Allow their imagination to kick in. I tried to be as creative as I could. After all, the mind is, eherm, the biggest 'organ' you know.

The cool thing was, you actually get your 'own' weblink that you provide to those who took your offer. Doing this once, actually sends a universal notices to the gals every time you entered an update. There's also an added little 'cool' page hit counter, too. LOL, you'd know how many times your webpage got visited. Definitely an awesome and fun bonus for the ego. It's amazing how much intrigue and compliments I was continually receiving from all the gals - day 1. I was taken aback by the page hits because it didn't seem to justify the number of the gals I was in contact with. It was relatively enormous and couldn't really make sense why until I found out many of the gals were sharing the link with family, friends, etc...

I can tell you amazing things that happened to every single gal because of that webpage. Each one is an amazing story unto itself because of it. It was the gals themselves that pushed for more so much so they're calling me in L.A., send me text messages, sending me gifts, snail mail with cool stuff, etc...These were all pretty expensive to do from Russia at the time. The effect was incredible.

By the time I made my trip, I was almost a rock star with each one of them. Of course now you have Facebook/Instagram, etc..So you'll need to get ahead of these curve in the same way I did for me at the time. There's more than one way to skin a cat. This is just one of them, and one I chose to do...

Do what you believe works for you. Do not COMPROMISE yourself and your belief. Be your own man!
Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: ML on October 30, 2018, 08:21:33 PM
I searched back in my old trip report to get my wording on this matter.

Here is what I wrote concerning my WMVM trips:

"Further, all of the women I met knew I was meeting with other women.  Did I specifically tell them?  No I did not.  But, in emails before we met, I told in very strong language that I would under no circumstances discuss other women past, present or future, and I would not ask questions about other men past, present or future.

In coy terms, many of the women made slight reference to 'other women.'  I ignored such comments, and none of the women pressed the issue.  But they knew; just because they were not stupid.

And, I am not so stupid as to slap the women in the face by telling them I will choose based on 'how they play their cards.'  Again, I don't have to tell them, because as intelligent women; they already know this."
Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: msmob on October 30, 2018, 11:57:02 PM
What you don't say, is how many women who 'dared' to raise your 'no,no' subject list  met you again ;)

If they were 'smart', I mean ...

Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: ML on November 10, 2018, 11:38:05 AM
Periodically there are complaints that my original list is out of date:


OK you 'up to date guys'  please provide a listing of those sites in my original listing that are not even around anymore.

Complaints without solutions are not very productive.

Then, we can see if a moderator can go into the thread and delete those.
Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: msmob on November 10, 2018, 11:47:09 AM
Can I suggest that mamba.ru is removed ?
Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: LAman on November 10, 2018, 02:37:32 PM
It is funny reading here about some posts describing their 'style' in pursuing FSU women years ago.


Intro letters, pages 1,2,3 ? Writing emails? It is mostly now about conversations on apps on phones with video when possible. Every year English language and western culture is more ingrained into society in FSU.

More and more girls are on Facebook and Instagram. I don't bother with vk anymore.
Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: BillyB on November 10, 2018, 03:02:33 PM
It is funny reading here about some posts describing their 'style' in pursuing FSU women years ago.


What style have you used to successfully catch women and get one to accept a marriage proposal?
Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: JayH on November 10, 2018, 03:36:24 PM
It is funny reading here about some posts describing their 'style' in pursuing FSU women years ago.


Intro letters, pages 1,2,3 ? Writing emails? It is mostly now about conversations on apps on phones with video when possible. Every year English language and western culture is more ingrained into society in FSU.

More and more girls are on Facebook and Instagram. I don't bother with vk anymore.

I know you are one person that has agreed frequently with  me about guys persisting in handing out very dated "advice"
It does not seem to matter to some that they continue doing it -- and then scream they are "helping" guys.

Things change in the world - sometimes quickly. Viber went from nothing to everything in a very short time is an example.Sure -the principle is the same as Skype -- but Skype never had the all encompassing penetration via the spread of the smartphone age -- it changed a lot in a short time.

Instead of guys with yesteryear exposure getting cut when it is pointed out -- they should learn from it an adapt a principle of "their" time on the ground . As an example of a really entertaining ( but from an earlier time)e  TR of Donholio which still deals with the basics of relationships . The actual methodolgy is only relevant today in the widest terms.

What style have you used to successfully catch women and get one to accept a marriage proposal?

Now -here is Silly Billy at it again- his response is to attempt to claim so higher knowledge based on his "success" as he wants us to believe. Silly is an example of a guy who persists in rationalising what amounts to BS-even when it was current-- which was a long time ago.
Only a fool would take his "advice"
Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: SteveInBoston on November 10, 2018, 03:53:19 PM
Dmnotify and Ukrainedate worked for me.  Scrolled through various women's profiles, wrote an introductory message to those that seemed interesting, got replies, messaged back and forth, then moved onto chatting via WhatsApp and Skype.

Started in Feb of this year, 2018.  I'm in my late 40's, searched for women who were 34-44 (give or take), indicated they wouldn't mind relocating to another country, and had at least limited English (not basic - one step above).

About 50% responded, and after a couple of messages focussed on half of that.  Narrowed the choice to 6 women after a month.  Visited Ms. T in Ukraine, hit the jackpot.

Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: krimster2 on November 10, 2018, 04:00:33 PM
"About 50% responded,"

I had the same success rate in Kyiv, just talking to women I randomly met, and then inviting them for a coffee, then dinner and apartment
I was 40, and picking up women 19-28, all 9-10 looking, super beautiful, gorgeous...
this past summer was in Crimea
still super easy to meet women
same old pickup lines still work

the more things change
THE MORE THEY REMAIN THE SAME
Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: LAman on November 10, 2018, 04:03:59 PM
What style have you used to successfully catch women and get one to accept a marriage proposal?


For one thing 'successful' can have many meanings and interpreted many ways. It is an individual assessment. To me, a 'successful' marriage lasts 40-50 years until one passes. To others it is a 'good' 5- 10 years. I catch women all the time, big deal. I don't settle like some, it takes time to find someone you feel is right. Sometimes you never find that person, sometimes you do and it ends up a LTR only. To me marriage is a BIG thing, not taken lightly.


I cringe when I hear the word 'success' here. When dealing with relationships, emotions, feelings, thoughts... what is success or failure? How is it measured? It either works out or not. In relationships, two people decide what will be.
Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: LAman on November 10, 2018, 04:13:07 PM
"About 50% responded,"

I had the same success rate in Kyiv, just talking to women I randomly met, and then inviting them for a coffee, then dinner and apartment
I was 40, and picking up women 19-28, all 9-10 looking, super beautiful, gorgeous...
this past summer was in Crimea
still super easy to meet women
same old pickup lines still work

the more things change
THE MORE THEY REMAIN THE SAME


What do you mean the same pick up lines still work??? You mean you took them for coffee, then dinner and back to your apt?? What did Mrs Krimster have to say?


You know God created the world Mon-Fri. For the women, on Sat he created BillyB and on Sun created Krimster!! 

I am surprised you two left any women on earth for the rest of us 'normal' guys!!
Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: Nightwish on November 10, 2018, 04:20:12 PM

What do you mean the same pick up lines still work??? You mean you took them for coffee, then dinner and back to your apt?? What did Mrs Krimster have to say?


You know God created the world Mon-Fri. For the women, on Sat he created BillyB and on Sun created Krimster!! 

I am surprised you two left any women on earth for the rest of us 'normal' guys!!

Some guys live their dreams, some live in their dreams...
Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: krimster2 on November 10, 2018, 04:39:44 PM
"What do you mean the same pick up lines still work??? You mean you took them for coffee, then dinner and back to your apt?? What did Mrs Krimster have to say?"

"Do I want to be on top or can she be?"





"I am surprised you two left any women on earth for the rest of us 'normal' guys!"

I am creating new beautiful women, so there's a net gain of beautiful women to the world because of me"

Title: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: 2tallbill on November 10, 2018, 04:44:16 PM
Instead of guys with yesteryear exposure getting cut when it is pointed out --
they should learn from it an adapt a principle of "their" time on the ground .

I have you on ignore but I can see your post, I am commenting against
my better judgement. There was a section in this forum called OMB for
"Old married bastards"

If the OMB stopped posting the forum would die and nobody could read
your posts (or ignore them). How would a guy who pursued FSUW 10 years
ago, know what parts of his advice are out of date or not? He wouldn't.
You won't know what parts of your advice which becomes stale by the
hour are outdated either will you?

Supposedly you are in a LTR, I don't know the details because you and
I don't exchange Christmas cards anymore.

The newbies should read everybody's advice and decide for themselves what
works best for them, their goals, their personality and their situation.

The only purpose of the tenor of your post is to make yourself feel better
and more special than others. It's always been boy meets girl since the
horse and buggy days, analog worked back in the day and it works now.

If somebody has something that they think is relevant or better let them
post it and let those who are still in the game decide it's value, not guys
who are only slightly less stale than others.

(http://i.pinimg.com/originals/66/00/3b/66003b7eef78145abe1d7541ba69c232.jpg)

Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: Davo2 on November 10, 2018, 04:54:41 PM
As far as online sites go, I'd put dmnotify at the top. There is a steady flow of new women and they aren't afraid to make first contact, especially in the 35-45 year range. I've received 52 messages to date and only found two to be scammers (although I didn't reply to all)

The site is very proactive regarding non - genuine women and often suspend accounts while they are under review. Site support is great and so is the forum.

It costs 40 pounds a month which is quite modest and really you only need a month to meet a lot of genuine / interested women. I've been spending one month on and then one month off the site.

Title: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: 2tallbill on November 10, 2018, 05:01:57 PM
Can I suggest that mamba.ru is removed ?

You can make all the suggestions you want based on what others
have told you. Hopefully, they leave everything up and let people
still in the game sort things out for themselves.

This forum is not a step by step guide, it's a learn how to do things
yourself resource. Turbo and others used snail mail back in the olden
days. Doesn't mean he can't post or explain how he did something
or that he should have a disclaimer under every post.

If somebody gets onto an old site and can't figure it out then they
have no business pursuing FSUW. Most people have updated their
profiles when they got married and Newbies can look at that and
decide what level of weight to give each post.

Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: JayH on November 10, 2018, 06:24:47 PM
I have you on ignore but I can see your post, I am commenting against
my better judgement. There was a section in this forum called OMB for
"Old married bastards"

If the OMB stopped posting the forum would die and nobody could read
your posts (or ignore them). How would a guy who pursued FSUW 10 years
ago, know what parts of his advice are out of date or not? He wouldn't.
You won't know what parts of your advice which becomes stale by the
hour are outdated either will you?

.

The newbies should read everybody's advice and decide for themselves what
works best for them, their goals, their personality and their situation.



Amazing what you read on ignore !

Given that you know full well that you are a major offender in the "past use by" date of info.
Despite numerous people pointing out that to you the blundering on continues .

Funnily enough -earlier today you made a generalise post of common sense without harking back to outdated info. Some things do not change that much -- which I pointed out in the post you have commented on -- HOWEVER -- there has been considerable change that has been quite rapid in the practical and logistics of the whole exercise .
As an example -- how long ago were you actually in Dnipro ? Note-it even has a new name for those that have respect for Ukraine -- and you were there when? 10 years ago?How many days were you actually there? It is relevant because there has been a lot of change --in particular changes that can make a big difference for a guy visiting .
That has been pointed out to you repeatedly --yet -- you ignore that and hark back to outdated info. That is a very clear example .

It is one thing having a different opinion-- but another thing altogether when handing out factually incorrect information.

FWIW -I mentioned the Donholio TR earlier-- it is an example of how so much has changed -- and is easier now -- but-- on the human interaction it is as relevant as when it was written and is both interesting and entertaining.
Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: JohnDearGreen on November 10, 2018, 08:50:45 PM

This forum is not a step by step guide, it's a learn how to do things
yourself resource. Turbo and others used snail mail back in the olden
days. Doesn't mean he can't post or explain how he did something
or that he should have a disclaimer under every post. 
Break the process into 2 parts:
a) introductory phase, arranging a meetup
    snail mail, email, skype, etc.
    yes, this changes much.
    but bottom line,  if you're the right person, almost anything will work,
          and if you're the wrong person, almost nothing will work.
b) meeting phase, 1st date, etc.
     this part never changes much.
     yes, sometimes more competition, sometimes less.
Some guys may master part a, then not so good at part b....
Others are not the planning/strategy type, but may be very good at part b.
Succeed with the wrong ladies, fail with the right ladies.
Successive approximation eventually finds the light at the end of the tunnel.
Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: BillyB on November 10, 2018, 09:06:12 PM
Now -here is Silly Billy at it again- his response is to attempt to claim so higher knowledge based on his "success" as he wants us to believe. Silly is an example of a guy who persists in rationalising what amounts to BS-even when it was current-- which was a long time ago.
Only a fool would take his "advice"


You've been here over 6 years and had zero success and you want people to take your advice? "Silly Billy" is what I used to hear in elementary school. Women prefer men, not kids.


For one thing 'successful' can have many meanings and interpreted many ways. It is an individual assessment. To me, a 'successful' marriage lasts 40-50 years until one passes. To others it is a 'good' 5- 10 years. I catch women all the time, big deal. I don't settle like some, it takes time to find someone you feel is right. Sometimes you never find that person, sometimes you do and it ends up a LTR only. To me marriage is a BIG thing, not taken lightly.


I cringe when I hear the word 'success' here. When dealing with relationships, emotions, feelings, thoughts... what is success or failure? How is it measured? It either works out or not. In relationships, two people decide what will be.

It doesn't matter if you're single, in a relationship, or married, if you're beating your competition and are happy, you're successful.

It takes time to find someone right you say? You've been on this forum 9 years. How much more time do you need? While some of the single guys here are bragging they have a 50% success rate with women responding to them on dating sites and apps, other men are dating 50 women in real life right now. You guys get upset when someone else recommends a site different than what you'd recommend. Those sites and apps are simply a tool to introduce yourself. It doesn't matter if we recommend the BEST tool, if a guy is a loser, no woman is going to claim him.

The real difference between the winners and losers come during the dating phase. It seems like I, ML, and Krimster got plenty of dates before we got married. The single guys who are upset about "old dating sites" seem to have one thing in common, you rarely or never talk about any real life meetings with women. You should be able to catch the women anywhere, whether she's on a new or old site. As long as the site doesn't have agency employees writing the letters, you are writing to a real woman and it's up to you to win her over. If you find your competition is getting all the action, you have only yourself to blame. I don't care if Mamba.ru is 1 yo or 101 yo, it has the most women on it and there's no reason not to catch one. And just because a woman responded to your message doesn't mean you caught her or worth bragging your response rate is great and the site or app is worth recommending because a few women talked to you.
Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: krimster2 on November 10, 2018, 10:38:46 PM
defining success is simple!
“the accomplishment of an aim or purpose”

Ukraine to me was once upon a time, a land of fairy tales “maya babooshka” told me about
with stories of the hungry wolf vrs the farmer’s clever son

when I discovered Ukraine for myself
I discovered that it WAS I WHO WAS THE HUNGRY WOLF


girlfriend #2 in Ukraine - a 19 yr old Education major at Taras Shevchenko National University of Kyiv
she was the epitome of the perfect female physical form, incredible almost superhuman beauty
totally unspoiled, didn't wear any makeup, wore simple clothes, walked EVERYWHERE

seriously, there is NO WAY a 40 yr old guy could tap this in the USA, no way....
and by Ukrainian standards, she's basically average...

Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: msmob on November 11, 2018, 02:18:15 AM
.

More and more girls are on Facebook and Instagram. I don't bother with vk anymore.

Girls being the appropriate adjective ?

It seems there may be a generation gap re use of dating sites / apps ? ;)

Anyway,

mamba.ru is now ranked 81st in Russia and 955th in the world

http://www.similarweb.com/website/mamba.ru#overview (http://www.similarweb.com/website/mamba.ru#overview)

I did not find this source - but seems to demonstrate some of us ( myself included ? )  are out of touch re the dating scene :)

Mamba.ua is 346th  in Ukraine - same source.





Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: msmob on November 11, 2018, 02:25:56 AM


Supposedly you are in a LTR,

Nah!  I suspect he is an expert on dating sites, again, Beel
Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: northkape on November 11, 2018, 07:29:19 AM
As usual, I agree with ML and his rational logic,,,,
when it comes to dating in the FSU..

and also with the following statements below:

GQ:
Dating FSUWs is no different than dating western women.
If anything, considering favourable MOB advantages afforded WM, it is (or should be) much, much easier.
Some had even pegged this pursuit *fishing in a barrel* before.
If some of you are having a tough time at this juncture, dare I say the real challenge then is being true to yourself. 

(I think the correct wording is “shooting fish in a barrel”)

Billy:
Those sites and apps are simply a tool to introduce yourself.
It doesn't matter if we recommend the BEST tool, if a guy is a loser, no woman is going to claim him.

John Dear Green:
if you're the right person, almost anything will work,
and if you're the wrong person, almost nothing will work.

Krimster:
the more things change
THE MORE THEY REMAIN THE SAME

I have done this twice,,,
Marrying with a beautiful Ukraine woman more than 20 years younger….
First time 20 years ago, second time 5 years ago,,
Everything worked the same way, only so much easier 5 years ago.

Read my story here:
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=15509.0

And today, it looks to be even easier.

In my search for some business opportunities, early this year, I met with a small business owner.
When I called him first time, he told me that he was busy, as he was on his way to Kiev.
I asked what for, and he said women,,,,,,, thats how it started.
These days we are doing some business together, and he has become almost like a friend to me.
He is my age, went through a costly divorce 10 years ago, after a 25 year marriage.
Very good condition, a true fitness fanatic that is swimming, bicycling or running every afternoon.
Even though he had a couple of years dating experience in Moscow and Kiev,
he was very interested in my advice for how to find the “right one”

At the moment, he has 2/3 women that he is dating regularly, meeting with each of them, one or two times a month.
Going to Kiev or inviting one here for the weekend, and sometimes going on a week vacation together.
He sent me photos in the morning today, from Thailand, where he is spending a week together with one of them.
A beautiful Ukraine dentist, 20+ years younger than him.

He is afraid of marrying again and worried about choosing a future failure.
I told him to meet more women “for coffee” and then choose,,,
instead of getting emotionally connected with one lady before meeting.

Getting tired of writing, he is now paying a private female matchmaker in Kiev for finding  women.
Slim, beautiful, good english, educated, no children (at home), 20+ younger.
Every month now, he goes for a weekend  in Kiev, to meet with 3-4 new prospects.

Jan
Title: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: 2tallbill on November 11, 2018, 09:41:19 AM
Break the process into 2 parts:
a) introductory phase, arranging a meetup
    snail mail, email, skype, etc.
    yes, this changes much.
    but bottom line,  if you're the right person, almost anything will work,
          and if you're the wrong person, almost nothing will work.


The important part of process one that is that it's usually a numbers game. You contact
many girls with a wide net using whatever technology interface best leverages your
effectiveness then you sift it down to find your gold nugget in all that sand.

Your bottom line is essentially true barring luck. I've seen luck work when a
guy had a .0000000001% chance.

b) meeting phase, 1st date, etc.
     this part never changes much.
     yes, sometimes more competition, sometimes less.
Some guys may master part a, then not so good at part b....
Others are not the planning/strategy type, but may be very good at part b.
Succeed with the wrong ladies, fail with the right ladies.
Successive approximation eventually finds the light at the end of the tunnel.

This is the analog part, the boy meets girl part. This has been going on since
the day men stopped dragging a girl by the hair back to their caves. Once the
girl walked to the cave on her own steam and her own volition this part follows
a romantic path.

HOWEVER, this is the part where a mistake(s) can lead to the biggest disaster.
There have been guys who married girls they barely knew. There have been
guys who married a girl with a child and NEVER had a conversation about
raising that child or discipline of that child.

b) meeting phase, 1st date, etc.
     this part never changes much.
     yes, sometimes more competition, sometimes less.

When a guy goes on the first date, either they have chemistry or they don't.
If they don't some guys (we will call them Joe's) move on. Joe's will meet other
girls and give themselves a chance to finding the right girl while they are in
country with boots on the ground.

The guys who don't move on (Delbert's)will cling to any possibility that things
might work out. They will misinterpret and sign of the girl being nice to him as
a sign of her changing her mind towards him. Delbert has watched every Hollywood
movie of the guy outside the girls bedroom window playing a song on his boom box.

Even if you find a girl and things are great, you have a ton of work still to do.
These overseas relationships are fragile and can fall apart. These relationships
are like gardens, they need tending. You gotta get back on a plane and see that
girl again and again or risk that things fall apart.

It has happened to me, it has happened to others.
 
Title: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: 2tallbill on November 11, 2018, 10:00:48 AM
Those sites and apps are simply a tool to introduce yourself.
It doesn't matter if we recommend the BEST tool,
if a guy is a loser, no woman is going to claim him.

If you added good girl then it would be accurate.

"If a guy is a loser, no good woman is going to claim him.

If a loser get's claimed it will be by a girl with questionable goals and motives.
The mule drivers pick losers, the green card girls pick out the most gullible losers.

There are girls on this Earth who will harvest your organs for a nice set of boots
or would happily ruin your life for any small benefit to herself but most of us spot
that girl coming and step aside letting her pass by without a glance back, but the
losers out there will see that girl coming and can't help but getting sucked into
their vortex.

Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: krimster2 on November 11, 2018, 10:06:31 AM
danke for your post Jan!

refreshing to read of success, instead of all the failures that get posted here
I can tell by your attitudes that you and your friend will continue to do well with UW
I would doubt that there would be anything I could teach either of you
that you don't already know, based on your own experience

I still have a business connection in Kyiv as well
a long time ago I developed some properties in Crimea
but I HATE this business and will never do it again!!!


it's sad that guys who are miserable in their home country dating scene
don't know the kind of results that they can get in Ukraine
you DON'T HAVE TO BE A RICH SUPER STUD to succeed in Ukraine
just be at least "average" across most categories
that's all it takes, seriously

until I read of all the guys posting here who failed in Ukraine
I would have thought that it would have been impossible to fail in Ukraine!
amazing to me that there have been those who have figured out how to do it
I just don't understand why
when you consider the nature of the reward for success

please tell me something that's better than making love to a beautiful Ukrainian woman
I mean other than fishing of course...
and you guys passed it by....






Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: 2tallbill on November 23, 2018, 03:33:28 PM
I posted this elsewhere but thought that I would post it here too so that it won't get lost.

This is about gifts for a first trip, the person was from Chicago so I slightly personalized
the advice to that area. Obviously you don't buy her a Chicago Bears tee shirt if you are
a Seahawks fan in Seattle. You can find something locally grown and canned or bottled.


If you haven't met her in person, my advice would be to buy her

1. Table top style picture books of the area surrounding where you live: You can find them at
Barnes and Noble or Amazon. These books show her some of the interesting things near where
you live. Go through the book so that you can have a little story or anecdote about each page.
Doing this highly personalizes the gift and gets her thinking of life with you, where you live.


2. Chocolate: She likes either dark or light so find out which and bring some high quality truffles
with you.   http://www.yelp.com/search?cflt=chocolate&find_loc=Chicago%2C+IL


3. Some Real Maple syrup: It's still fairly uncommon in Russia, tell her it's for blini. Ask her to
make some for you. They have Marshmallows in the FSU, but they are rare. So bring some Swiss
Miss cocoa and drop a couple marshmallows in the cup to melt on top. It's just a little something
different from home and it's always easy to find an excuse to drink hot cocoa.


4. Something local: a Black Hawks Tee or one of the local sports team (remember she is smaller than
American girls), probably a Small or extra small. Pear Tree preserves make local jams in Chicago. Maybe
some strawberry rhubarb (I made it this year)
http://voyagechicago.com/interview/meet-susie-kirkwood-pear-tree-preserves-humboldt-park-chicago/


5. Something handmade: If you can make something better than a paperclip necklace or a pirate hat
from a newspaper. Although those are GREAT Gifts to be made on the spot for nieces and nephews.
Hand made gifts are the best.


These are excellent things to give an FSUW, they are personal, unique to you and the area you
live and don't cost much so they are easy for her to accept (and to cherish).


Udachi!

Bill
Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: DaveNY on November 23, 2018, 03:46:40 PM
I posted this elsewhere but thought that I would post it here too so that it won't get lost.

This is about gifts for a first trip, the person was from Chicago so I slightly personalized
the advice to that area. Obviously you don't buy her a Chicago Bears tee shirt if you are
a Seahawks fan in Seattle. You can find something locally grown and canned or bottled.


If you haven't met her in person, my advice would be to buy her

1. Table top style picture books of the area surrounding where you live: You can find them at
Barnes and Noble or Amazon. These books show her some of the interesting things near where
you live. Go through the book so that you can have a little story or anecdote about each page.
Doing this highly personalizes the gift and gets her thinking of life with you, where you live.


2. Chocolate: She likes either dark or light so find out which and bring some high quality truffles
with you.   http://www.yelp.com/search?cflt=chocolate&find_loc=Chicago%2C+IL


3. Some Real Maple syrup: It's still fairly uncommon in Russia, tell her it's for blini. Ask her to
make some for you. They have Marshmallows in the FSU, but they are rare. So bring some Swiss
Miss cocoa and drop a couple marshmallows in the cup to melt on top. It's just a little something
different from home and it's always easy to find an excuse to drink hot cocoa.


4. Something local: a Black Hawks Tee or one of the local sports team (remember she is smaller than
American girls), probably a Small or extra small. Pear Tree preserves make local jams in Chicago. Maybe
some strawberry rhubarb (I made it this year)
http://voyagechicago.com/interview/meet-susie-kirkwood-pear-tree-preserves-humboldt-park-chicago/


5. Something handmade: If you can make something better than a paperclip necklace or a pirate hat
from a newspaper. Although those are GREAT Gifts to be made on the spot for nieces and nephews.
Hand made gifts are the best.


These are excellent things to give an FSUW, they are personal, unique to you and the area you
live and don't cost much so they are easy for her to accept (and to cherish).


Udachi!

Bill

Great, common sense ideas. When I was dating my now wife and living in London I bought her things from London. Souvenir books, mugs, shirts, etc. Maps that we'd use to plot trips we'd take around the city when she came to visit. I also took photos of some of her favorite places in London. She had been in London about 5 years earlier so knew something about the city.

When I was transferred back to NYC I bought her souvenirs from NYC. She knew nothing about American football or baseball but because she had played basketball I bought her tshirts, caps, etc from the local NYC teams. Again photos of local landmarks and even photos of my home and job. By this time we were in a committed relationship. I wouldn't advise taking photos of your home, car, job etc for a first time trip.

One thing I would recommend checking is if you're taking food overseas make sure it will be allowed into the country. Don't know about the rules for food entering the FSU but I know the US has very strict rules about what types of food is allowed into the US.
Title: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures
Post by: 2tallbill on August 26, 2019, 07:36:47 AM
Six common mistakes in the search phase

1. Large age differential search parameters. 
What is your age and what are the ages of these women? These
are the type of results one would expect when pushing the age
difference too far.

An example: A 50 year old writes one hundred 25 year old hotties.
95 of the hotties reject him or never reply. The 95 rejections were
from the good girls and the 5 who answer his emails have dubious
motives and/or character.

2. The same can be found with huge differences in looks. 5 foot tall fat
man with 5 teeth contacts only 6 foot tall runway models so very few
respond, those that do have questionable motives.

3. Failure to reject. A guy keeps communicating a girl who has displayed a
few caution flags or doesn't seem to have the same interest intensity. Usually
the girl is hot. You want a girl who is at least as interested in you as you are
in her AND you want a girl who doesn't have any yellow flags or character
concerns.

4. Failure to clear the board. You initiated contact with 25 girls and the ones
who responded positively have all seemed nice, but none of them stand out.
You want a standout. You want a number one girl. You are spinning your
wheels wasting your time and their time, you need to clear the board
and start over.

5. Failure to dump everyone else when you have a clear winner. Once you've
determined that Sally is the best girl then you kick Betty, Brenda and Bernette
to the curb. Otherwise Sally doesn't think you have the same interest intensity
and you get the boot. Women can sense things. They need to sense that you
are really into them.

6. Repeating the same mistakes/failure to review. I started over too many
times to count, but I would review what I did and how I did it. What could
I have done better each step of the way. I didn't want to make the same
mistake again.

Title: Pursuing FSUW 101: Due Diligence
Post by: 2tallbill on November 22, 2019, 02:40:44 PM
You meet a girl and generally have a few questions and she will
generally ask a few of you and you start having a conversation.
At first you are trying to find out if this girl needs to be rejected
or not. Second you are trying to find out if this girl is interesting
or not. Third you are trying to find out if this girl and you are a
match.

Guys have said "I don't know what to say" and I've posted suggestions
and/or a list of things to go over in different places here on the forum.
Now I thought I would explain in more detail.

My advice is to make a list of subjects and organize it
into an outline that you need to go over first before you
marry a woman.

If you spend a few hours at this, you will be surprised at how
fast your outline grows and how many subjects that you need
to talk about before you get on a plane, before you get engaged,
before you get married.

99% of Good girls will want to have these conversations. These
are true insights about how things might work out between you.
If a girl doesn't want to have these conversations, dump her
because she's not a good girl.

I also recommend putting the list in some sort of order. When you
get to item number 7 or item X that's when you are ready to get on
a plane. When you finish the list that's when you ask the girl to
marry you or dump her because you aren't a good match.

Example of something that I spent less than 3 minutes writing.

I. Expectations and roles in a family
   A. What tasks are expected of the husband
     1.
     2.
     3.
   B. What tasks are expected of the wife
   C. What tasks are expected of the children
   D. What tasks Exwife, Mother in law, creepy uncle etc.

II. Conflict Resolution
   A. What is off limits for you in an argument
     1. Gun fights,
     2. Calling my mother a  _____________
     3. Etc.
   B. What is off limits for me in an argument
   C. What to do when we disagree
   D. Something else.   

III. Sex stuff
   A. Frequency
   B. What's freaky good
   C. What's freaky bad
   D. Something else
   E. What happens in the unlikely event that Angelina Jolie wants
   to have sex with me (one time only).
   F. Blowjobs vs __________ list something else

IV. Kids
  A. Do we want to make any of our own
  B. What if we make one by accident
  C. Who disciplines your child/my child
  D. What happens if child acts out
  E. One million other things here.
  F. What if they get into a fight at school

V.  Exwife/ExHusband


VI. Inlaws/Outlaws

VII.  Education, learning English, Driving a car, insurance,

VIII. Pet Peeves, hobbies, how much sports is too much. 

IX.  Jobs and work.

X.   Goals

XI.  Retirement

XII. This list can go on and on and on and it should
this is your due diligence phase.

Make a list prioritize it, make it into an outline, adding content,
add to it as things come to you. Then pick a subject and you
are off to the races. Do no more than one subject at a time,
don't send the entire outline to a girl.

Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: jone on November 22, 2019, 03:13:03 PM
Bill,

I would run like hell if Angelina Jolie wanted to have sex with me.
Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: ML on November 22, 2019, 04:23:43 PM
Big Bill, I have found that FSU gals don't like lists of anything.
They find them boring.
So never have a visible sheet of paper with these questions.
Title: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: 2tallbill on November 22, 2019, 04:54:19 PM
Bill,

I would run like hell if Angelina Jolie wanted to have sex with me.

I picked a name to add some potential humor to the post.
I was going to ask which days can I spend with my
mistress but decided to go with a movie star instead.


Big Bill, I have found that FSU gals don't like lists of anything.
They find them boring.
So never have a visible sheet of paper with these questions.


I agree. I think making the list and organizing it has many uses as
well. It helps guys understand the immensity of what the end game
is.

List everything that annoyed you about your ex, list everything
that drives you nuts. Wouldn't it be cool if your new wife didn't
do most of those things?

There are some guys that marry women without discussing what
happens if the teenage stepson crashes your car, or if he refuses
to get out of bed before 3 pm. I know guys from the forums who
got divorced because they never spent the time asking their Fiancée
what happens if her son talks back to them.

The lesson is to organize your thoughts and your goals. Once you're
organized it's much easier to talk about. Don't assume that your
Fiancée will be cool with your exwife stopping by to drop off your
kids. You need to talk about this. It might be good to know if your
hot Russian wife will stab your exwife in the eye with a knitting
needle if she sets foot in your house.



Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: krimster2 on November 22, 2019, 05:04:28 PM
I SWEAR by the 3-date rule...
TRY not to do sex until the third date...
BUT, if you haven’t done it by the 3rd date, then it ain’t gonna happen, so move on...

with personal assistants from Ukraine, I just kept constantly moving the intimacy dial
I would love to take innocent young Ukrainian girls to Istanbul to the women’s clothing stores....
when they had this wide eyed shocked look, then I knew they were mine...
and they were...

I can’t begin to express the level of erotic perfection that these young women possessed...
just stunning.....

and they had a different mentality when they went to Istanbul
everything just clicked in their minds, I didn’t need to apply ANY coercion....
they KNEW what to do....
they wanted to please “their boss”
and so they did...

the first time you pay your Ukrainian assistant in cash...
they get a look I call “the money rush”
combine this with a clothing allowance and you take her shopping and try out in the fitting room...

no smart Ukrainian girl will say no, if you pay them enough...
just negotiate...

it is one of the sweetest relationships you can have
without all the "complications" of marriage
just a mistress curled up naked in your lap under a blanked while you read Keats to her in candle light...
but...
when it's time to go, you hand her an envelope with her severance package
and you head back home...

Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: Patagonie on November 22, 2019, 05:52:56 PM
I SWEAR by the 3-date rule...
TRY not to do sex until the third date...
BUT, if you haven’t done it by the 3rd date, then it ain’t gonna happen, so move on...

with personal assistants from Ukraine, I just kept constantly moving the intimacy dial
I would love to take innocent young Ukrainian girls to Istanbul to the women’s clothing stores....
when they had this wide eyed shocked look, then I knew they were mine...
and they were...

I can’t begin to express the level of erotic perfection that these young women possessed...
just stunning.....

and they had a different mentality when they went to Istanbul
everything just clicked in their minds, I didn’t need to apply ANY coercion....
they KNEW what to do....
they wanted to please “their boss”
and so they did...

the first time you pay your Ukrainian assistant in cash...
they get a look I call “the money rush”
combine this with a clothing allowance and you take her shopping and try out in the fitting room...

no smart Ukrainian girl will say no, if you pay them enough...
just negotiate...

it is one of the sweetest relationships you can have
without all the "complications" of marriage
just a mistress curled up naked in your lap under a blanked while you read Keats to her in candle light...
but...
when it's time to go, you hand her an envelope with her severance package
and you head back home...
Considering the total price of the expedition, i would prefer use several pro in any ukrainian city, where i could also meet normal girls and create a clear line between buying a girl and my normal dating life.
Money has never been the major factor to date me in my life, in the worst case only a parameter i had to manage to achieve a normal life because my partner was economically not capable to follow, generally occasionnaly.

Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: krimster2 on November 22, 2019, 07:24:31 PM
that’s a COMPLETELY different level of experience....
I’ve had experience with different types of Odessa escorts “back in the day”
I would never under any circumstance have unprotected sex with one
so it makes it a VERY different experience than a more intimate relationship with a young personal assistant...
for example, I have NEVER given oral sex to an escort
but I did with ALL my personal assistants...
and it was the first time for each of them...
oh my goodness!!!

I’ve always been able to hustle in both Ukraine and Russia...
in Ukraine, I could make a little bit of money in real estate
enough to allow me to hire a personal assistant who “fronted” for me for handling transactions
and for document filing, etc
if I paid her a much higher salary than normal, then she becomes a “secretary with benefits”
this goes on in EVERY big office in Ukraine....
it’s what’s NORMAL there...
I just knew how to capitalize on it and how to actually DO IT!!

even though my Russian hustles are much bigger
it's unfortunate for me, but this knowledge no longer matters....
because I have an agreement with my wife NOT to cheat in our relationship!
in exchange, my wife who is STRONGLY bi-sexual lets me sleep with her blond Russian girlfriend and we have 3-somes
and there’s no freakin way I’m gonna do something to mess this sweet deal up!
geezzz what an idiot I’d be!!!

PS,
it's not about the money itself...
it's about the EMOTION that surrounds the money...
you use that...

Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: Patagonie on November 23, 2019, 08:09:20 AM
Thank you for those precious informations, that are enlightening the topic.
I doubt that a lot of people are matching the same life circumstances.
I understand the pros and cons and the global benefit of your approach, technically speaking.

I have personaly never been impressed by money, and money is an unhealthy emotion for me when it comes about relationships, i appreciate the freedom it gives you and the level comfort associated with it however. 

I also know that can be a part of the attraction for a man, considering the nature of women. 

 But a strategy of conquest based on the solely power of money IMHO is only a distorted, an unreal life that has nothing to do with your personality, because money is to own and not to be. So you get emotions based on a faked contract, full of vacuity at the end.   


I have nothing against cynism, many philosophies can come along when you want to lead your life, i have no morale judgment but money being the prime reason of her move (lady opening her to you), is blewing up the whole human experience. Except a pure sex satisfaction, i don't see anything worth in it.
Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: krimster2 on November 23, 2019, 09:45:54 AM
forget what ever silly French ideas you have about romance!!!
all women basically want is to be taken care of and be protected by a man

when YOU behave the way THEY want you to behave...
then THEY will behave the way YOU want them to behave...
c'est simple, n’est pa?

totally worth the money!!!
and then some...

sleeping with your secretary provides about 80% of the typical girlfriend experience...
but 90% less hassles....
I would have kept doing this forever, but my last girlfriend that I did this with
turned the tables on me, and the hunter became the hunted, and I married her!!!
so that game’s been over for me some 20 years now...
but all the business owner’s I know today in Russia, all have a secretary/mistress on the side...
but not me...
not any more....
just great memories of the most beautiful women I ever saw...

the average guy here on RWD, doesn’t get too far past the
“dang I saw me a purty you-crane girl on that agency web site”
and I’m a gonna write her a note....”

OTOH, I’m on the other end of that scale....
if I hadn’t married and had children
I probably would’ve ended up with a lifestyle like Epstein but with legal aged girls...
so marriage saved me from this fate!!

life is always rooted in réalité mon ami...
what is in our hearts is always less important than what is in our hands...
to DO SOMETHING, is to BE SOMETHING...

so what I DO, is I give a young simple Ukrainian girl
the “time of her life” in Istanbul...
I begin with subtly teaching her the proper table etiquette for eating at the highest Michelin rated restaurant in Istanbul...
a 5 star penthouse suite at the Four Seasons...
a private limo
shopping for her at the best boutiques....
these are the “day time” activities...

i start out slowly....
I prepare meals for her and I see that she enjoys them...
I lightly touch her arm now and then, and I gauge her reaction
then I will come out of my bedroom with my shirt off and watch if she’s watching me in the mirror...then my shirt’s off more and more... and then I sit down next to her like this....
then over a drink we’ll watch some Russian kino, and usually during the second drink is when I make my move....
and then her top comes off, I used to always have a slight struggle with Russian bra clasps, but I’m pretty good at it now and can do it in a single movement!!!!
by the time the two of you hit the hotel pool, (after you buy her a new bathing suit!)
I can guarantee you that you will have seen her naked...
and if you're lucky she will sit in your lap this way and give you a big kiss...
a naked, wet woman sitting with goosebumps and erect nipples (dang air conditioning after pool!) in your lap expressing her deep gratitude to you by kissing you, is uh, uh, a pretty good feeling...
at least that's how I remember it...

worth it!!!
thanks AMEX!!!










Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: Patagonie on November 23, 2019, 11:25:48 AM
forget what ever silly French ideas you have about romance!!!
all women basically want is to be taken care of and be protected by a man

when YOU behave the way THEY want you to behave...
then THEY will behave the way YOU want them to behave...
c'est simple, n’est pa?

totally worth the money!!!
and then some...

sleeping with your secretary provides about 80% of the typical girlfriend experience...
but 90% less hassles....
I would have kept doing this forever, but my last girlfriend that I did this with
turned the tables on me, and the hunter became the hunted, and I married her!!!
so that game’s been over for me some 20 years now...
but all the business owner’s I know today in Russia, all have a secretary/mistress on the side...
but not me...
not any more....
just great memories of the most beautiful women I ever saw...

the average guy here on RWD, doesn’t get too far past the
“dang I saw me a purty you-crane girl on that agency web site”
and I’m a gonna write her a note....”

OTOH, I’m on the other end of that scale....
if I hadn’t married and had children
I probably would’ve ended up with a lifestyle like Epstein but with legal aged girls...
so marriage saved me from this fate!!

life is always rooted in réalité mon ami...
what is in our hearts is always less important than what is in our hands...
to DO SOMETHING, is to BE SOMETHING...

so what I DO, is I give a young simple Ukrainian girl
the “time of her life” in Istanbul...
I begin with subtly teaching her the proper table etiquette for eating at the highest Michelin rated restaurant in Istanbul...
a 5 star penthouse suite at the Four Seasons...
a private limo
shopping for her at the best boutiques....
these are the “day time” activities...

i start out slowly....
I prepare meals for her and I see that she enjoys them...
I lightly touch her arm now and then, and I gauge her reaction
then I will come out of my bedroom with my shirt off and watch if she’s watching me in the mirror...then my shirt’s off more and more... and then I sit down next to her like this....
then over a drink we’ll watch some Russian kino, and usually during the second drink is when I make my move....
and then her top comes off, I used to always have a slight struggle with Russian bra clasps, but I’m pretty good at it now and can do it in a single movement!!!!
by the time the two of you hit the hotel pool, (after you buy her a new bathing suit!)
I can guarantee you that you will have seen her naked...
and if you're lucky she will sit in your lap this way and give you a big kiss...
a naked, wet woman sitting with goosebumps and erect nipples (dang air conditioning after pool!) in your lap expressing her deep gratitude to you by kissing you, is uh, uh, a pretty good feeling...
at least that's how I remember it...

worth it!!!
thanks AMEX!!!
lol, thanks AMEX, i like to read you Krim.
Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: krimster2 on November 23, 2019, 11:46:41 AM
merci!
merci beau coup!!!! (with an Elvis sounding voice)

Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: Patagonie on November 23, 2019, 01:11:56 PM
Je t'aime bien garçon, tu as une pensée unique ici, même si il y a quand même pas que des gens ordinaires chez les plus actifs membres.
Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: krimster2 on November 23, 2019, 01:40:26 PM
je être dans le rien...
pardon moi, my french patois is a trifle out of practice!
replaced by Russian patois!!
Russians are NOT amused by my abuse of their language!
Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: isamu on December 12, 2019, 12:51:33 AM
May I request, on behalf of everybody (i think) specially new guys, a refresh, an update of the "good" sites to use?
Title: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: 2tallbill on December 12, 2019, 07:33:33 AM
forget what ever silly French ideas you have about romance!!!
all women basically want is to be taken care of and be protected by a man

All women basically want is to be taken care of and be protected
by a CONFIDENT man. If you aren't confident in yourself then
why would they be? They might settle for a settle for somebody
who isn't confident, but that's what they want.

Title: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: 2tallbill on December 12, 2019, 07:47:38 AM
May I request, on behalf of everybody (i think) specially new guys, a refresh, an
update of the "good" sites to use?

The problem is that only guys like yourself still in the hunt know the answer.
I can tell you to avoid pay by the letter and pay to chat sites. I can tell you
to get the woman away from any agency as soon as possible, but I can't
tell you if Sallys_match_making_service.com is any good or not without
using it recently.  I don't know if Sally sold her match making service to
Harry Boris and now it sucks. He could have stole all the photos from
Russian porn stars.

If I start checking out Russian marriage agencies my beautiful Russian
wife will Keeeel me. She won't listen to me explain that isamu wants
me to help him and that I'm doing it for him.

Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: JayH on December 12, 2019, 08:24:33 AM

If I start checking out Russian marriage agencies by beautiful Russian
wife will Keeeel me. She won't listen to me explain that isamu wants
me to help him and that I'm doing it for him.
:ROFL:    Exactly!

It is an important point you are making in post --things move on and do change -- 2T exposure is not that old  compared to the guys of 20 plus years ago who persist in posting without qualification of the timing.
Over time I have made that  point regularly here .
Some things do not have an expiry date--  and some places will have changed less .As  far as Ukraine is concerned -- so  much has changed in the last decade -- and particularly so over the last 5 years .Most importantly --looking forward in Ukraine there are solid reasons for optimism ( for way of life,prospects etc) and that is a vastly different scenario from 25 years ago or so .
   A FWIW  ---Unless someone actually lives permanently in Ukraine I am confident that if I have spent more time in Ukraine than anyone else that posts here .


Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: Nightwish on December 12, 2019, 09:43:03 AM
:ROFL:    Exactly!

It is an important point you are making in post --things move on and do change -- 2T exposure is not that old  compared to the guys of 20 plus years ago who persist in posting without qualification of the timing.
Over time I have made that  point regularly here .
Some things do not have an expiry date--  and some places will have changed less .As  far as Ukraine is concerned -- so  much has changed in the last decade -- and particularly so over the last 5 years .Most importantly --looking forward in Ukraine there are solid reasons for optimism ( for way of life,prospects etc) and that is a vastly different scenario from 25 years ago or so .
   A FWIW  ---Unless someone actually lives permanently in Ukraine I am confident that if I have spent more time in Ukraine than anyone else that posts here .

I'm not sure if I spent more time than you, but - when the check-in personnel starting to greet me
 and welcome me back with my first name even before I presented my passport I suddenly realized I have gone over there a lot these last few years  :cheesy:
Title: Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
Post by: JayH on December 12, 2019, 10:04:38 AM
I'm not sure if I spent more time than you, but - when the check-in personnel starting to greet me
 and welcome me back with my first name even before I presented my passport I suddenly realized I have gone over there a lot these last few years  :cheesy:
It is easier for you to make short visits -- so mine tend to be longer stays !
When I arrive - they start looking at visa's over a few years and now give up quickly to stamp etc