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RWD Discussion Groups => Married => Topic started by: ML on December 21, 2014, 11:10:15 AM

Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on December 21, 2014, 11:10:15 AM
I know it is a pretty short courtship, but Ochka and I will be wed tomorrow at 1:30 PM.

She could still be here legally under her OPT for another couple of years . . . but we still decided to go ahead with the legal conjoining at this point.

I hope I don't have to eat my words at some point . . . but Ochka really is the most wonderful person (man or woman) that I have ever known. 

She is very even tempered, doesn't get rattled at virtually anything, wakes up in morning with smile on her face and goes to bed with smile on her face.  An indefatigable worker (she is already outdoors working hard while I am still trying to get psyched up to work) and virtually unbelievable lover.

We are planning just a simple ceremony for the two of us; but when word got around, my friends insisted on throwing us a big 'shin-ding' later in the day.  Have been offered use of a condo in Aspen and a large cabin cruiser in Tampa for get-aways, but we are just going to stay local as Ochka wants to get an early start on preparing for her Multivariable Calculus course she will teach in the Spring Semester.

I plan to get started on the AOS paperwork in early January as I have been reading that Immigration will start accepting apps from all the millions of illegals that are here in mid-February.  Once that starts . . . the processes may drag on for years.

Now, just in case any of my detractors are thinking of loving me . . . I can throw out the real reason for getting married before the end of the year.  Ran the numbers; and filing married joint return will save me about $37,000 in Fed taxes compared to single return.  Sold off a lot of stuff this year; money all going to trust funds for future grandchildren.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: Misha on December 21, 2014, 11:11:46 AM
Congratulations! May you have many, MANY happy years of happiness together!
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: Shadow on December 21, 2014, 11:17:08 AM
Congratulations on realising you will not wake up any time soon from this...
I hope this will change nothing at all between the two of you, at least as far as you have shown here.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: calmissile on December 21, 2014, 11:19:05 AM
Congrats to both of you.  Based upon your description, I am confident your marriage will be a long and happy one.

Our wives seem to have a lot in common in personalities.  Hopefully we can meet in person some time in the future.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: AC on December 21, 2014, 11:23:09 AM
I know it is a pretty short courtship, but Ochka and I will be wed tomorrow at 1:30 PM.

Now, just in case any of my detractors are thinking of loving me . . . I can throw out the real reason for getting married before the end of the year.  Ran the numbers; and filing married joint return will save me about $37,000 in Fed taxes compared to single return. 


 :thumbsup:   Congratulations!
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: AkMike on December 21, 2014, 12:02:45 PM
Good for both of you! Congratulations!
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: Jumper on December 21, 2014, 01:10:10 PM
Congratulations!
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: Gator on December 21, 2014, 01:54:13 PM
Congratulations!

So all that criticism you received over the years about not being interested in marriage was wrong.  ;) It was only necessary to meet the right woman, live together for a year, and bond - as if you were in a normal relationship rather than one of those international, cross-cultural romances.   

Proof that success comes to those who wait.   You must admit you set the bar high. 

I wish you the best.  I do not believe you will ever have to eat your words.   :D   
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: Boethius on December 21, 2014, 02:25:13 PM
Congratulations, ML.  May you have many happy years together.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: BillyB on December 21, 2014, 03:07:08 PM

Somebody has got to stop this madness!!! Marriage is the leading cause of divorce! Grats anyway ML :D
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: Patagonie on December 21, 2014, 03:33:54 PM
HI ML, the last resistance  fighter have surrendered !
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: Hammer2722 on December 21, 2014, 04:31:27 PM
Congrats!  :clapping:
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: Dave13 on December 23, 2014, 07:54:50 PM
Congratulations to you and your lady!

Dave
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: Anotherkiwi on December 24, 2014, 03:45:46 AM
Like they all said!

Congratulations to the one went from "looking" to "L" - and is now in Heaven!  :D
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on December 25, 2014, 11:05:39 AM
Thanks to all for the 'good wishes.'

We have been married now for 4 days.

It was good to finally have sex after living together for nearly 4 years.

We were married by a Circuit Court Judge.  I knew him just a little bit.

He turned out to be quite taken by Ochka and flirted more than he should have.

He first complimented her on her dress which was a beautiful maroon or burgundy color with gold trim.

Then he liked her ear rings.

Then he liked her hair.

Then he took us to another floor of the courthouse to view a newly refinished court room.  This courthouse was built around 1900, so it has the very high ceilings with great craftsmanship that cannot be duplicated today because of labor costs.

I thought he would never finish talking with us (and looking at Ochka) and let us be on our way.

She did look quite stunning.

We then went to a nearby 4 star Italian restaurant for a very nice (but 3 times too much food).  We love tiramisu.

Next day, went to a large banquet hall rented by a couple of business associates who hosted a tremendous feast.  They brought in a small band, singers, some 'go go' dancers and an 'impromptu' comedy group.  It was a lot of fun as they got the audience involved by seeing how well they (audience) could come up with funny words to complete some sentences in a sketch.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: Chelseaboy on December 25, 2014, 11:28:44 AM
Congratulations to you both  :clapping: and happy Christmas  :)
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on December 26, 2014, 12:08:42 PM
Periodically here we get persons criticizing men for being worried about the potential health issues of the FSUW.  Some even ridicule saying: "Why didn't you check out their teeth as if they are horses."

Well crass or not . . . that is not a bad idea.

Recently a part of one of Ochka's back teeth broke off.  It had a large filling in it from before.

We went to my dentist.  Turns out this tooth had previously had a root canal done in Ukraine some years back.

The dentist showed us on X-ray how the root canal had not been completely done and now there was infection in it.  So this root canal would have to be redone now.

And, the X-ray showed that the tooth next to it also needed a root canal.

Ochka wanted to wait until she was in Ukraine next summer to have the work done.  But the dentist told how dangerous this was to have untreated tooth infections.

An Endodontist just happened to be there that day.  He moves around on a rotating basis to different general practictioners offices.   He said he could do the work right then and there.

So we asked about costs.

To redo the one root canal was $1,250.  The other root canal was $975.  The filings for the two teeth would be $237 each.  Crowns for the two teeth will be $996 each.  Initial check up was $75.  X rays were $236.  Teeth cleaning was to be $97.

Yes boys and girls, this adds up to $5,099.

Ochka started crying and saying she didn't want to do it because of that huge price, which really was unconscionable.

But I told her we were going to do it.  She still insisted that we not do the crowns and she would check on prices in Ukraine.

This is a big risk as the dentists told that without the crown, there was danger of splitting the tooth when she bit down on something.

But to calm her down (just a bit) I agreed we would wait awhile on the crowns while she check on Ukraine prices.

OK sure, for me this cost is not a back breaker.

But how many others here can shell out $5,000 or so for two teeth . . . when there are potentially 30 more teeth to go?

And if you brag that you have dental insurance; this just means that your fellow employees will be subsidizing you to pay for dental care for your FSUW.  Their premiums will go up.  Premiums are initially set based on expected care for American teeth, not FSU teeth.

So crude as it may seem . . . checking out teeth isn't such a bad idea.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: Shadow on December 26, 2014, 12:11:14 PM
Checking out dentists is also not a bad idea.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: calmissile on December 26, 2014, 12:49:03 PM
ML,
Agree completely with your post.  We find ourselves in exactly the same predicument.  We are going to bite the bullet and get the work done here even though it is mostly out of pocket expense.  The risks are too high in the long run to use any other option.

Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on January 01, 2015, 09:13:23 PM
We stayed home on New Year's Eve.

Ochka was a little disappointed because this was usually biggest party night of year in Ukraine.

But we had done a ton of things in past couple of weeks, and both really weren't up to staying out late, etc.

To compensate, we went out for a nice lunch around 11 AM at Red Lobster.

This was after first walking 3 miles to pre-burn off the calories we would be consuming.

A lot of sales at the malls, but Ochka says she wants absolutely nothing.  What a Gal !
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on January 18, 2015, 11:41:52 AM
A couple of evening ago, we were watching a (taped) episode of Laura, a police detective.

She went to a meeting of sex addicts because one of their members had been murdered.

After I explained to her what it was all about, she asked how much of such activity we would have to perform to be minimally qualified to attend such meetings.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on January 18, 2015, 11:48:10 AM
Last evening we had 7 couples over to house for a feast.

Ochka wore a skin tight black short dress made of thin knitted material.

This is the type of dress than can only be worn by women with a perfect body . . . unless they want to look ridiculous.

Before guests arrived, Ochka asked me how many of female students at university would look as good as her in this dress.

I told her probably only 2 out of 10.

She guessed it would probably be a somewhat higher proportion than that . . . but she liked my answer.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on January 20, 2015, 11:45:28 AM
Age Gap, Sugar Daddy, and Daddy Issues

Monday's Dear Abby column had a segment on this issue.

Upon reading it, I realized that perhaps a lot of the success of Ochka and I could be due to fact that she doesn't need me as a Sugar Daddy (although she says I am pretty sweet) and she has a wonderful relationship with her own father.

I wonder how many of the failed age gap relationships that we know of here were related to the Sugar Daddy and Daddy Issues concepts?

The article did mention that when the younger woman was around women more her husband's age, that the older women may not be happy.

In our case, I have noted some jealously toward Ochka by older women, but I sensed it was more related to her youthful figure than her age, since she is not a teeny bopper or even a 20 something.

Interesting also that the younger woman's parents were OK with the marriage; but that the older man's parents were not OK with it.  Typically you would think it would be the opposite.

There hasn't been much discussion here concerning the reactions of parents and other family members of the older man in the age gap relationship.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: Muzh on January 20, 2015, 12:35:27 PM
I read that column and the age gap is ONLY 17 years between them. What's the big deal?


Besides, there were no Sugar Daddy issues, Most likely Suga' Mamma issues.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on January 20, 2015, 09:41:22 PM
Yes, I notice that she has economic 'success' but doesn't specifically mention that he has.

So perhaps a gold digger man.

Or maybe he is a FSUM looking for green card.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: Muzh on January 21, 2015, 12:34:06 PM
Yes, I notice that she has economic 'success' but doesn't specifically mention that he has.

So perhaps a gold digger man.

Or maybe he is a FSUM looking for green card.


 :ROFL:
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: southernX on January 22, 2015, 12:02:15 AM
ML congrats to you and your ochka  :clapping: :clapping: :clapping: :clapping:

as for teeth , i i had work done in ukraine , great work , great result and great price !!
no issues at all ,
it wasnt pre planned , just had a toothache while there, ended up getting  the root canal done

SX
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on January 22, 2015, 09:50:07 PM
We go to all the university women's basketball games.  Unlike the men's games which are sold out, there are plenty of great seats to women's games which usually attract less than 3,000 fans.  That's unless you happen to go to Connecticut or Tennessee games.

Anyway, the women coaches, assistant coaches, student helpers, etc.,  for some reason wear short skirts and 5-7 inch high heels.  I think they are trying to overcome a 'jock image' so they go overboard on the feminine thing.

Last night saw some really great looking legs on the gals who are usually  5' 9' and above.

Ochka appreciated the legs also and informed me that we must go to some theatrical plays so she can dress up and wear high heels.  We had gone quite a bit in previous years, but for some reason have slacked off this past half year or so.

Had to go out today to buy tickets to two touring Broadway plays.
Tickets are $60-90 apiece.  What do such cost right on Broadway in NYC?
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: Faux Pas on January 23, 2015, 08:16:26 AM
We go to all the university women's basketball games.  Unlike the men's games which are sold out, there are plenty of great seats to women's games which usually attract less than 3,000 fans.  That's unless you happen to go to Connecticut or Tennessee games.

Anyway, the women coaches, assistant coaches, student helpers, etc.,  for some reason wear short skirts and 5-7 inch high heels.  I think they are trying to overcome a 'jock image' so they go overboard on the feminine thing.

Last night saw some really great looking legs on the gals who are usually  5' 9' and above.

Ochka appreciated the legs also and informed me that we must go to some theatrical plays so she can dress up and wear high heels.  We had gone quite a bit in previous years, but for some reason have slacked off this past half year or so.

Had to go out today to buy tickets to two touring Broadway plays.
Tickets are $60-90 apiece.  What do such cost right on Broadway in NYC?

On Broadway $250-up
Off Broadway $75-$350
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: Muzh on January 23, 2015, 09:46:38 AM
On Broadway $250-up
Off Broadway $75-$350


Well, it depends if it is a hot show. I've seen tickets for under $125.


Try Travelzoo.com Somtimes they have good deals.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on February 03, 2015, 09:39:26 AM
I finally got the AOS (adjustment of status) packet mailed off yesterday.

Forms:

• G-1145, e-Notification
• I-130, Petition for Alien Relative, related forms  and evidence
• G-325A, Biographic Information for each
• I-485, Application to Register Permanent Residence or Adjust Status, related forms and evidence
• I-693 Report of Medical Exam and Vaccination Record
• I-864, Affidavit of Support, related forms and evidence
• I-131, Application for Travel Document, related forms and evidence
• I-765, Application for Employment Authorization, related forms and evidence

107 pages in total and weighing nearly 2 pounds.


Costs:

I-130  $   420
I-485  $1,070
Medical  $270
Copying  $56
FedEx     $59

Value of a hot chick . . . priceless
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: LiveFromUkraine on February 03, 2015, 09:41:35 AM
I finally got the AOS (adjustment of status) packet mailed off yesterday.

Forms:

• G-1145, e-Notification
• I-130, Petition for Alien Relative, related forms  and evidence
• G-325A, Biographic Information for each
• I-485, Application to Register Permanent Residence or Adjust Status, related forms and evidence
• I-693 Report of Medical Exam and Vaccination Record
• I-864, Affidavit of Support, related forms and evidence
• I-131, Application for Travel Document, related forms and evidence
• I-765, Application for Employment Authorization, related forms and evidence

107 pages in total and weighing nearly 2 pounds.


Costs:

I-130  $   420
I-485  $1,070
Medical  $270
Copying  $56
FedEx     $59

Value of a hot chick . . . priceless


Who are you trying to kid?  You made her pay for it, didn't you?   :P
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on February 04, 2015, 09:59:41 PM
Yes, she should pay.

She has a job; I don't have a job.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on February 22, 2015, 07:41:45 PM
This evening, Ochka called out to me that our meal was nearly ready.

I walked into the kitchen to view this.

I said:  "What the Helsinki are you doing dressed like that . . . we never mentioned this would be anything special?"

She said: "No, but I just like to do things special for you and look good for you?"

What a Gal !

I love this about (many) Ukrainian women.  They are not afraid to admit that they dress for their man.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: calmissile on February 22, 2015, 08:59:48 PM
This evening, Ochka called out to me that our meal was nearly ready.

I walked into the kitchen to view this.

I said:  "What the Helsinki are you doing dressed like that . . . we never mentioned this would be anything special?"

She said: "No, but I just like to do things special for you and look good for you?"

What a Gal !

I love this about (many) Ukrainian women.  They are not afraid to admit that they dress for their man.

I am also surprised sometimes by the same thing.  They do it out of love.  She also reminds me when I sit down to eat "Prepared with love".

It's great that they dress nicely, even if it's to go to the local grocery store. 

Larissa noticed that you have the same pots and pans as we do.  These women never miss a detail.     :)
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on March 04, 2015, 09:17:22 PM
Drove into the big city today for Ochka's appointment at USCIS.

Finger printing and photo for her AOS process.

In a month or so, should receive her second EAD/AP combo card which will be good for a year or until her Green Card arrives, which ever is first.  She already has an EAD card for the F-1 OPT program.

Interview appointment will probably come in 2-3 months if 'normal' is encountered.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on March 05, 2015, 09:40:25 AM
Good thing that we had the appointment for yesterday.

A foot of snow here today, and still coming  down.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: jone on March 05, 2015, 09:54:48 AM
Krap. 

I'm flying into Chicago today and heading North.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: AC on March 05, 2015, 10:18:43 AM
This evening, Ochka called out to me that our meal was nearly ready.

I walked into the kitchen to view this.

I said:  "What the Helsinki are you doing dressed like that . . . we never mentioned this would be anything special?"

She said: "No, but I just like to do things special for you and look good for you?"

What a Gal !

I love this about (many) Ukrainian women.  They are not afraid to admit that they dress for their man.

The last time the average AW looked like that in the kitchen and had that attitude was 1950.   ;)
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on March 13, 2015, 10:07:56 PM
Big excitement here.

We have a couple of very big piles of top soil up in a nearby field.  When I put in new road last year for 4 new houses, this topsoil came off the road before gravel and blacktop went down.

These piles now overgrown with long orchard grass, some weeds, etc.  Dead and dried out now, of course.

Ochka wanted me to have a guy bring down some loads to expand a garden  area.  But she wanted to burn off the dead grass, weeds, etc., first.

I told her it would be dangerous because the surrounding field also had this dried grass.

She said,  "no, no . . . we will watch, it will be OK."

So against my better judgement I let her start a fire.

But sure enough, a little wind came and soon we had a heap of trouble on our hands.

It spread over about a quarter acre before I could get some shovels and water to get it stopped.  And luckily, a rain started then so we didn't have to worry about a restart.

Neighbors came and said they should call fire dept.  But I said no; as I think that might have cost $2-3,000, plus a fine for burning without permit, or in wrong season, or something.  But for awhile, I was scared sheeeeetless.

If it had gone another eighth of mile, it would have been into my woods.

I don't want Ochka to think that I am too controlling, so I sometimes let her have her way, even when my experience (in an area) is greater than hers.  Could have been a huge disaster this time.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: AC on March 13, 2015, 11:10:51 PM
Big excitement here.

We have a couple of very big piles of top soil up in a nearby field.  When I put in new road last year for 4 new houses, this topsoil came off the road before gravel and blacktop went down.

These piles now overgrown with long orchard grass, some weeds, etc.  Dead and dried out now, of course.

Ochka wanted me to have a guy bring down some loads to expand a garden  area.  But she wanted to burn off the dead grass, weeds, etc., first.

I told her it would be dangerous because the surrounding field also had this dried grass.

She said,  "no, no . . . we will watch, it will be OK."

So against my better judgement I let her start a fire.

But sure enough, a little wind came and soon we had a heap of trouble on our hands.

It spread over about a quarter acre before I could get some shovels and water to get it stopped.  And luckily, a rain started then so we didn't have to worry about a restart.

Neighbors came and said they should call fire dept.  But I said no; as I think that might have cost $2-3,000, plus a fine for burning without permit, or in wrong season, or something.  But for awhile, I was scared sheeeeetless.

If it had gone another eighth of mile, it would have been into my woods.

I don't want Ochka to think that I am too controlling, so I sometimes let her have her way, even when my experience (in an area) is greater than hers.  Could have been a huge disaster this time.

Sounds to me like you got very lucky, and I'm happy to hear that.  However next time hopefully you will wear the pants and be the "real man" who is firm about what needs to be done.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: calmissile on March 13, 2015, 11:39:24 PM
One of the changes I have made in this marriage is to not sweat the small stuff.  Rather than argue about something,  I let her go ahead and do her thing as long as it does not look like it will be a disaster.   :)   Something like letting your kids make mistakes and learning from them.  Less friction and more lovin.

In this case it looks like you stretched the envelope.   ;D
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: BillyB on March 13, 2015, 11:49:42 PM
It spread over about a quarter acre before I could get some shovels and water to get it stopped. 



Should've had that stuff ready to start with. Creating fire breaks with the shovels or equipment and anything to put out fire should be at the scene. Who knows how bad it could've been? We might have seen you and Ochka on national news explaining how preparing for a garden ended up burning a few hundred thousand acres!


If it had gone another eighth of mile, it would have been into my woods.



I keep always keep my wood a safe distance from fire too.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on March 20, 2015, 09:46:46 PM
Here is a little of what a Ukrainian wife can do for you.

I went from earning some pretty good wages as an independent consultant to earning no wages. 

Why . . . well helping her with English classes for a year, then doing grading and posting of grades for her GTA assignment and now more of same for her instructor position.

And now I am doing more unpaid work.  We had a very small garden for 4 years, but now Ochka has decided we need to get more serious about it.

So, while she is off teaching, I got the job of enlarging the garden space about 5 fold.  Had to take down the existing fence, posts and all, and move out of way.

Had a guy with a backhoe working on a parcel I have for sale, so he came down and loosened up the soil, took out a few very big rocks, dug out a stump, etc.

What thanks did I get when Ochka came home?
You didn't take care to dig up some strawberry plants that were there!!!!!
I didn't even see them or know they were there.

Now, I have to round up someone with rather large tiller or . . . OMG . . . rent one and do myself.

And I was told that chemical fertilizer would not do, and I must find some cow manure.

Get much more fencing, more posts, install the new fence, etc., etc.

This ain't an easy life . . .

All I get out of it is having a smug look on my face when we are out in public and other guys are thinking . . . why the fock does he get to have her!
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: calmissile on March 20, 2015, 11:04:21 PM
LMAO ;D   Sort of in the same boat here.   Just finished planting tomatoes.  Add in working full time, taxi to piano lessons, ballet lessons, ESL classes, swimming lessons (soon), repairing the cars, etc.

Unfortunately, we are so busy we rarely have time to go out anymore.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: cc3 on March 21, 2015, 11:10:45 AM
Carless and landless European urban lifestyle in Lviv is seeming better and better than my decades of typical suburban American existence.

:thumbsup:
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on April 10, 2015, 12:40:27 PM
Ochka continues to be amazed at the difference between FSU and USA with respect to people who have money . . . a lot of money.

In our local community are probably 6 families who are multimillionaires, some really huge.

One such man died a couple of years ago.  He had started a firm 40 or so years ago which grew to several plants across USA and even has some foreign plants.

Don't know for sure, but based on their contributions of $20 million to business college and $50 million to local hospital, I would think they were worth $200 million or more.

We saw his widow (early 60s) at a theatrical performance last year and Ochka remarked how such a person in Ukraine would probably be surrounded by guards and acting very self-important.

Just today, we saw her in WalMart . . . yes WalMart! . . . by herself browsing through the fresh fruit section.  I spoke to her with chit chat about how hard it was raining outside.  She smiled and said, "Yes, I was hoping to do some garden planting, so need the rain to stop."

As we walked on Ochka just looked at me with her mouth agape in amazement.  A multi-multi-multi millionaire in WalMart and talking about planting a garden!!
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: jone on April 10, 2015, 06:25:23 PM
ML,

Did you tell her that the majority of millionaires in the United States drive pick-up trucks?  She might get a kick out of that - and it is true. 
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: BillyB on April 10, 2015, 10:11:50 PM

Just today, we saw her in WalMart . . . yes WalMart! . . .




She got money because she knows how to spend it and invest it. I hope she's enjoying life though. Work to live, not live to work.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: Welder on April 11, 2015, 07:18:33 AM
Nice thread ML, very cool to read funny everyday life stuff. 
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on April 12, 2015, 09:27:55 PM
Fun with an International wife.

Earlier today, we stopped at grocery store and later I was asking Ochka what she thought about the rather strange looking person in line ahead of us.

I said that it was possible the person was a hermaphrodite.  Of course I really know nothing about what such persons might look like; I was just talking.

She understood the word as it is similar in Ukrainian; I guess.

Anyway, I was telling her how if someone irritates us; we tell them to go fock themselves.  And, that such a person could actually do it.

Now . . . flash forward to a hour or so ago.
Ochka was saying how she was so, so, so tired that she was going to bed to sleep.

I said:  "Why do you think that I chose you?"

She:  "Why?"

Me:  "Because you are so young and energetic.  And now you are wanting to go to sleep early and I might want to have sex."  (Not true at all, as that task was this afternoon).

She:  "I don't want to be rude . . . but I could tell you to go fock yourself."

I started laughing almost uncontrollably and she joined in.
We could hardly stop laughing.
It was a great moment.

I said how it was so dangerous for me to teach her anything.

She said that before me, she would never dream of saying some of the things she now said; even to me in private.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on April 17, 2015, 10:26:07 AM
Interesting mail day for Ochka . . . two items of mail.
 
First, her combo EAD/AP card arrived for the AOS process.  Not a really big deal for her compared to many other immigrants who are waiting for such a card, because she already has EAD card for OPT associated with F-1 visa which goes until around July 1st.  And by that date she will probably already have 2 year Green Card anyway.

Second, letter from local court . . . which had her crapping her pants and a bit scared.  I immediately suspected what it was; but wasn't sure.

And I was right . . . it was a summons for her for Jury duty!!

I am pretty sure she cannot serve because not a US citizen, but will have to investigate that situation on internet.

Anyway quite strange because I have NEVER been called for Jury duty during my 100 years or so of living in USA . . . and she gets called.

We were trying to figure out what list she was taken from.  I thought of student list and list when she signed up for Obama Care.
But I think she came up with a more likely story . . . the filing for marriage license.
Still, why was she chosen and not me?
Anyway, she couldn't wait to get on Skype and tell people back in Ukraine about this.  She was really animated when talking to them!!

Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: Wayne on April 17, 2015, 10:58:48 AM
Does Ukraine actually have trial by jury?
 
I have been called for jury duty a few times but was not chosen for a trial. They usually have a lot more people called in than they need for trials.
 
I don't know if you need to be a citizen or not? You have to answer several pages of questions.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on April 17, 2015, 11:07:13 AM
Does Ukraine actually have trial by jury?

I don't understand the relevance of your question with respect to someone who is called for jury duty in USA.

Except if you are wondering if a citizen of Ukraine even understands what jury duty is all about.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: calmissile on April 17, 2015, 02:54:55 PM
http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displaycode?section=ccp&group=00001-01000&file=190-237

(Excerpt)
203.
(a) All persons are eligible and qualified to be prospective trial jurors, except the following:
 
(1) Persons who are not citizens of the United States.
 
(2) Persons who are less than 18 years of age.

(3) Persons who are not domiciliaries of the State of California, as determined pursuant to Article 2 (commencing with Section 2020) of Chapter 1 of Division 2 of the Elections Code.

(4) Persons who are not residents of the jurisdiction wherein they are summoned to serve.
 
(5) Persons who have been convicted of malfeasance in office or a felony, and whose civil rights have not been restored.
 
(6) Persons who are not possessed of sufficient knowledge of the English language, provided that no person shall be deemed incompetent solely because of the loss of sight or hearing in any degree or other disability which impedes the person's ability to communicate or which impairs or interferes with the person's mobility.
 
(7) Persons who are serving as grand or trial jurors in any court of this state.
 
(8.) Persons who are the subject of conservatorship.

(b) No person shall be excluded from eligibility for jury service in the State of California, for any reason other than those reasons provided by this section.

I do not know if this is the latest version.


Here is an article a couple years old that suggests the citizenship requirement may have been dropped, but do not see anything that indicates if the bill was passed and signed into law.

http://www.usnews.com/news/newsgram/articles/2013/04/26/california-moves-to-ditch-citizenship-requirement-for-jury-duty
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on April 17, 2015, 03:05:33 PM
Doug, thanks for the info.

I found some similar stuff on internet, but nothing that said in black and white that non-citizen meant non-juror.

Called local judicial office and they said no one could serve on jury if non-citizen.

But I gave them a bit of a hard time because of totally inefficient system and forms.

For  instance, first question on info sheet each recipient has to fill out is:  Are you a citizen of USA.

But it is missing the important next sentence:  If you check no, then stop and do not fill out the  rest of the form, merely sign and return.

Instead, (because this sentence is missing) people are left with task of completing the entire long form, sending in . . . and then left hanging with anxiety as to what will happen with (for instance) workplace demands, travel plans, etc.

Very, very arrogant and inconsiderate of those who prepared the form.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: calmissile on April 17, 2015, 03:20:30 PM
Glad to see the EAD/AP card came today.  I am going to have to calculate how long it was from your date of receipt of the package or biometrics to guess when Larissa's will arrive.  Her biometrics are scheduled for April 21.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on April 17, 2015, 03:27:55 PM
Glad to see the EAD/AP card came today.  I am going to have to calculate how long it was from your date of receipt of the package or biometrics to guess when Larissa's will arrive.  Her biometrics are scheduled for April 21.

Not related to time of Bio as I told you in email . . . except that you must do Bio on or before the date assigned.

73 days from time AOS packet signed for at Chicago Dropbox to date EAD/AP card received in our mail box.

On VisaJourney website most of us who filed in February are getting EAD/AP cards in the 65-75 days time range.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: calmissile on April 17, 2015, 03:32:16 PM
OK Thanks
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on April 17, 2015, 06:12:31 PM
You all have seen the TV commercials where a stunt man drives a new car like crazy doing all sorts of dangerous moves.

At bottom, always says:  Don't try this at home.

= = = = = = =

Today Ochka gave a private tutoring lesson in calculus in Student Center.

Earlier, we had talked about a romantic evening when she returned.

She called after getting into car, as is our rule.

Me:  Hello
She:  Do you have wine waiting for us?
Me: (After a pause) Who is this calling?
She: (After a pause) Before I answer . . . which number did I call from my address book?

Love this woman !!
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on May 28, 2015, 08:20:09 AM
We have been working for over a month now, preparing a garden for planting.  Tons and tons of rocks removed, along with grass, weeds, roots, etc.

I have lost 6 pounds and Ochka lost 5 pounds.

We have been arguing more over this garden during past month than we have argued about anything for past several years.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: fathertime on May 28, 2015, 09:46:44 AM
We have been working for over a month now, preparing a garden for planting.  Tons and tons of rocks removed, along with grass, weeds, roots, etc.

I have lost 6 pounds and Ochka lost 5 pounds.

We have been arguing more over this garden during past month than we have argued about anything for past several years.
How big is your garden going to be?  It usually only takes me a couple days to prepare the area.     What are you growing? Hopefully the arguments are good natured.  The garden should be strictly a source of pleasure. 

Fathertime!
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: Wayne on May 28, 2015, 10:43:12 AM
Trial by jury is extremely rare in Russia and practly non-existent in Ukraine. Most people in Ukraine have no idea what a jury is.
 
USSR abolished jury trial in 1922 and it was not until 1993 that jury trial took place in Russia. The first jury trial in Ukraine was about 2 years ago.
 
Only certain very serious criminal cases are allowed to be a jury trial in Russia and Ukraine.
 
I was called for jury duty several times where I live in USA. I don't remember any question asking if I was a Citizen of USA. You did have to live in juristiction of the court, however. If you were 70 years old or older, you could ask to be excused.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: jone on May 28, 2015, 11:18:16 AM
Trial by jury is extremely rare in Russia and practly non-existent in Ukraine. Most people in Ukraine have no idea what a jury is.
 
USSR abolished jury trial in 1922 and it was not until 1993 that jury trial took place in Russia. The first jury trial in Ukraine was about 2 years ago.
 
Only certain very serious criminal cases are allowed to be a jury trial in Russia and Ukraine.
 
I was called for jury duty several times where I live in USA. I don't remember any question asking if I was a Citizen of USA. You did have to live in juristiction of the court, however. If you were 70 years old or older, you could ask to be excused.

Wayne, you don't get to be invited to be a member of a jury unless you are registered to vote. 

As for Russian and Ukrainian court systems, one of the reasons there are few juries is that cases are often decided by a 'panel' of judges.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on May 31, 2015, 09:56:39 PM
Wayne, you don't get to be invited to be a member of a jury unless you are registered to vote. 

Not true, because Ochka was not only invited, but the wording was 'commanded' to appear for jury duty . . . while not being registered to vote.

They either got her name from driver's license data base, or maybe from our marriage license registration.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on May 31, 2015, 10:02:58 PM
More about the garden later . . . but for now . . . I haven't noticed anyone mention about the current 3 days of Trinity for Eastern Orthodox religion.

Ochka said she must not do 'extra' work on these 3 days.  I don't remember her making a 'big deal' about it in previous years . . . but perhaps she was very tired of garden work this year . . . so a convenient excuse.

Anyway, the good news is the excellent Pyrizhky that she made today.

Three varieties of filling:  White soft sweet cheese (that she makes herself), Cherries, and Apples.

As usual, she made a huge batch . . . so we will be eating for several days . . . and gaining weight.

Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: calmissile on May 31, 2015, 10:09:02 PM
Wayne, you don't get to be invited to be a member of a jury unless you are registered to vote. 

As for Russian and Ukrainian court systems, one of the reasons there are few juries is that cases are often decided by a 'panel' of judges.

Not true in California.  An excerpt from the states site on jurors.......

Where did the jury office get my name for jury duty?
Names for potential jurors are randomly drawn from voter registration lists obtained from the Secretary of State of California and from lists of driver's license/identification cards obtained from the California Department of Motor Vehicles.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on June 01, 2015, 12:06:16 PM
How big is your garden going to be?  It usually only takes me a couple days to prepare the area.     What are you growing? Hopefully the arguments are good natured.  The garden should be strictly a source of pleasure. 

Fathertime!

Garden is about 250 square feet.

Regarding time to prepare . . . you missed point that this is first time for the area and it was filled with rocks, boulders, roots, etc.  Pictures later.

Many things planted and will be planted.  36 tomato bushes planted and that's the main concern for me.

We are already eating strawberries, leaf lettuce of various types, spinach, cilantro (Ochka only, not me), radishes.

Very big task was preparing bed for asparagus.  We dug down at least two feet and took out any signs of heavy clay.  Then had to sift dirt from another pile and put back in.  Planted 26 crowns.  Not supposed to harvest any of it this year, and only a little next year.  Third year is when can start eating a lot of it.  Supposed to keep producing for 20 or so years.

Arguments were not good natured.  I was pretty upset several times and am still a bit concerned about the situation.  Made me wonder for the first time.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: Boethius on June 01, 2015, 12:28:07 PM
Culturally, men do not tend gardens in Ukraine, and UW take their gardens very seriously, especially if they grew up in villages.
 
My Grandmother, God rest her soul, planted everything, weeded, watered, and harvested.  My Grandfather, God rest his soul,  tilled the garden when she told him it was time, and dug up the potatoes, again, on her order, and both under strict supervision.  He also plucked apples from the tallest branches of the tree and gathered rain water in barrels.   My mother hired someone to till her garden.  My father did nothing in the garden, though he did (and still does) all the other yard work.  Now, he plants the garden, and she complains he doesn't know what he is doing, despite the fact they both grew up subsistence farming.
 
In our home, my husband gardens.  He wanted to do so, and though, having grown up among Ukrainian peasants, I think I could do some things better and get bigger yields, I just let him do his thing.  We won't starve if we get 2 rather than 3 bushels of potatoes.
 
From my observations growing up, when it comes to gardens, you, as the husband of a UW, have no right to an opinion.  A simple "yes dear" likely is the best course of action. 8)
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: Noch1 on June 01, 2015, 01:39:59 PM
I hate gardening, so we made a deal.
I built them, she plants and tends to them.
I get whatever she asks for, to put in them.
She actually knows her stuff and loves it.
She's happy, So I am happy, seems simple enough:)
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: fathertime on June 01, 2015, 02:09:37 PM
Garden is about 250 square feet.

Regarding time to prepare . . . you missed point that this is first time for the area and it was filled with rocks, boulders, roots, etc.  Pictures later.

Many things planted and will be planted.  36 tomato bushes planted and that's the main concern for me.

We are already eating strawberries, leaf lettuce of various types, spinach, cilantro (Ochka only, not me), radishes.

Very big task was preparing bed for asparagus.  We dug down at least two feet and took out any signs of heavy clay.  Then had to sift dirt from another pile and put back in.  Planted 26 crowns.  Not supposed to harvest any of it this year, and only a little next year.  Third year is when can start eating a lot of it.  Supposed to keep producing for 20 or so years.

Arguments were not good natured.  I was pretty upset several times and am still a bit concerned about the situation.  Made me wonder for the first time.


Hmmmm, sorry to hear that the arguments could get THAT heated over the garden...that is concerning for you I'm sure....Perhaps if it is too much work to prepare the garden, you could throw some money at it.  Hire somebody to do the real heavy lifting so you can enjoy the project, as must be at in part what the hope was supposed to be.


How big were these rocks?  I'm in California, and don't get many bigger than my fist.   


Good luck,
Fathertime!   
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: calmissile on June 01, 2015, 02:57:50 PM
Culturally, men do not tend gardens in Ukraine, and UW take their gardens very seriously, especially if they grew up in villages.
 
From my observations growing up, when it comes to gardens, you, as the husband of a UW, have no right to an opinion.  A simple "yes dear" likely is the best course of action. 8)

"Yes Dear" is the first Russian expression I learned and use it frequently.  We are in the midst of the same thing as ML but on a smaller scale.  When we had disagreements about some of the new trees and plantings Larissa reminded me that she is the one with the degree in agriculture and a 'Yes Dear' ended the discussion.

As long as I do not have to weed the garden she can do whatever she likes with it.  I hired someone to dig up the clay and prepare the bed for the vegetable garden as well as deep holes for the new fruit trees, so she was happy.  It is true that FSUW take gardening very seriously.  We should have tomatoes and other vegetables coming out our ears in a few weeks.  How can I complain?    ;D
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: Bee Farmer on June 01, 2015, 10:36:36 PM
Quote
Garden is about 250 square feet.

36 tomato bushes planted and that's the main concern for me.

Planted 26 crowns.  Not supposed to harvest any of it this year, and only a little next year.  Third year is when can start eating a lot of it.  Supposed to keep producing for 20 or so years.

Your garden should be much larger than 250 square feet for what you are growing.

At the minimum, you want 8 square feet per tomato plant.  (2 feet apart, with 4 feet between rows.)  Even at 8 sf, you will have difficulties walking in the tomato jungle.  @8 sf per plant, that's 288 sf just for the tomatoes.

The asparagus should have 1 sf per crown.  That's 10% of your 250 sf garden.  You can pick any spears pencil thickness or larger.  Leave thinner spears alone. 
It's wise to mulch asparagus to suppress weeds.  (And if you cover asparagus when it starts growing spears, you get white spears which are worth more than green spears.)  Also, asparagus can tolerate a lot of salt.  If you make homemade ice cream, dump your salt water on the asparagus.  The salt will help suppress weeds, and asparagus seems to like the salt.

If you planted a 250 sf garden with as many plants as you did, make sure you prevent any weeds from growing or you won't get a crop.  There will be too much competition from weeds, and your plants will be pitiful.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: southernX on June 02, 2015, 01:20:34 AM
ah the anomalies of gardening ,

my wife did not garden naturally when we met .

 In her home city it was the men in her family who controlled the darcha garden , the women got to water it and harvest from the garden .
producing cider,  jams, relishes, pickled veg, compote and all manner of bottled items

still to this day it is the same in the familys darcha , potatoes, watermelon, corn , tomatoes,  paprikes cucumbers , etc are all planted and tended by the men of the house

 my wife  has picked up the  gardening skill  since we met, as i like to garden , mostly vegetables, fruit, but also flowers
she now enjoys watering more than anything else , she also loves the fact that she can walk outside in any season and  harvest something from our garden to cook with or beautify the house

this is all done in typical european style , full apron with a front pocket , gloves ,  cane  hand basket  for the harvest and hat worn on a jaunty angle usually  !!!  :-*

fresh produce is always on our table , we have experimented with all types of preserving and bottling , including olives and cured meats , living in australia we are lucky with the climate we have for outside gardening

SX
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: Wayne on June 02, 2015, 10:44:36 AM
At our dacha, there is no lawn; the whole area is planted in fruit trees, grapes, strawberries, flowers, etc. The growing season is longer in Crimea than where we live in the states.

I have a vegetable garden here that is about 3000 square feet. I can grow a lot.

You can save space in a garden by using supports for your tomatoes, beans, peas, etc. You can follow the advise for companion planting. You can plant certain things that repel insects.

My wife does not have any place for a garden at her flat, but she always had house plants. She likes to grow orchids.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on June 02, 2015, 12:07:55 PM
Ooooops . . . big typo by me.

Garden is about 2,500 square feet . . . not 250.

The 250 is approximate square meters which Ochka can better understand.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: 2tallbill on June 02, 2015, 01:46:24 PM
Wayne, you don't get to be invited to be a member of a jury unless you are registered to vote. 

As for Russian and Ukrainian court systems, one of the reasons there are few juries is that cases are often decided by a 'panel' of judges.

There is a zillion ways to get on a jury list, the most common is voters lists but
DMV lists are also very common among others. It's far too boring to paste the
details here in ML's thread but if you follow the link and read 197 a, b and c
then you can see all the various methods they have to constitute a jury list.


http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displaycode?section=ccp&group=00001-01000&file=190-237
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: Jumper on June 02, 2015, 05:56:57 PM
There is a zillion ways to get on a jury list, the most common is voters lists but
DMV lists are also very common among others. It's far too boring to paste the
details here in ML's thread but if you follow the link and read 197 a, b and c
then you can see all the various methods they have to constitute a jury list.


http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displaycode?section=ccp&group=00001-01000&file=190-237

My wife was called for jury duty.
Like Bill mentioned, there are several ways to get on the  mailing list.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on June 02, 2015, 09:41:34 PM
Gator has been MIA for two months now.

Anyone have an status update on him?

Health problems or . . . .
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: BillyB on June 02, 2015, 10:57:31 PM
Gator has been MIA for two months now.

Anyone have an status update on him?

Health problems or . . . .


I've been gone for months in the past too. Anybody wonder if I were dead? Anybody wish I were dead? Hopefully Gator's enjoying life.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: Anotherkiwi on June 03, 2015, 02:48:46 AM
Gator has been MIA for two months now.

Anyone have an status update on him?

Health problems or . . . .

Hopefully he's just enjoying life.  Daveman and GQBlues have been missing for a lot longer.  Nobody seems too worried about them, either.  :devil:
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: JayH on June 03, 2015, 04:37:10 AM
Daveman & Gator are missed-- there is a difference!
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: Jumper on June 03, 2015, 10:29:01 AM
Fairly certain all the above are fine and living their lives...

I'm not here much either, simply have less time.

 
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: Anotherkiwi on June 03, 2015, 07:24:31 PM
Daveman & Gator are missed-- there is a difference!

 :D
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on June 05, 2015, 09:17:17 PM
Ochka went to her first 'closing' with me today, as we sold another acre parcel where new house will be built.

She couldn't believe the stack of papers nearly an inch thick that buyers had to sign with respect to their loan.

And, she wasn't happy when I told her how much in income taxes we were going to pay.  Cost basis was only about 5 percent of the sales price.

A newer (but used) farm pickup may be in the offing.
Current one has some very rusted cross members under the bed.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: jone on June 05, 2015, 10:39:44 PM
In America, pickup trucks are the mode of transportation of millionaires.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: Noch1 on June 06, 2015, 04:35:22 AM
In America, pickup trucks are the mode of transportation of millionaires.
Many pick ups are not cheap anymore.
My last truck was 65k

The Millionaire truck owners leave in Texas.
But many rich drive large American SUV's
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on July 01, 2015, 08:53:13 PM
Ochka tried to scam me today.

We went out for a lunch meal at Cracker Barrel, and afterwards she asked me to drive by the airport.

While there, she jumped out of car, grabbed 2 suitcases, went in and got on airplane for a trip back to Ukraine to visit with family and friends for a month.

Ha . . . but the joke is on her because I paid for the meals with a debit card on her bank account that I took from her purse when she went to ladies room.

A gal has to get up pretty early in morning to pull one over on me . . . a long time reader on RWD who knows about the scams these FSU gals run.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on July 07, 2015, 03:34:24 PM
Air France is giving some very good prices on tickets from Kyiv - Paris - direct to several cities in USA now.

Even for travel during this peak summer period.

2-3 Flight daily between Paris - Kyiv.

Some on AF and some on Ukraine International.

They are partners with Delta, so some flights Paris to and from USA are on Delta and some on Air France.

But the tickets booked through AF are $300-400 cheaper than the exact same tickets booked through Delta.

The ticket prices on the AF website are a couple of dollars cheaper than any price found for the exact same flights on any of the 'cheap fare' websites.

Just booked round trip ticket for Ochka to return to USA in early August . . . and go back to Ukraine in mid May 2016.

AF - Delta now fly direct Paris to:

Atlanta
Boston
Cincinnati
Chicago
Detroit
Houston
Los Angeles
Miami
Minneapolis
New York
Philadelphia
Pittsburgh
Salt Lake City
San Francisco
Seattle
Washington, DC
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: calmissile on July 08, 2015, 02:14:54 AM
Nor sure I will ever fly on Air Chance (Air France) again unless I can tolerate a couple of days with no luggage at the destination.  I would have to think about the $300-$400 savings vs the inconvenience.    I still prefer the LAX - Amsterdam- Kiev flight.  Lots of sleep time.  LOL
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: jone on July 08, 2015, 08:47:18 AM
Nor sure I will ever fly on Air Chance (Air France) again unless I can tolerate a couple of days with no luggage at the destination.  I would have to think about the $300-$400 savings vs the inconvenience.    I still prefer the LAX - Amsterdam- Kiev flight.  Lots of sleep time.  LOL

Ha,

If you hadn't lost your luggage, you might not even be married now.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on July 08, 2015, 10:25:27 AM
Terrorists, scammers and hackers continue to cause problems for we ordinary folks.

Much of this trouble comes from actions of companies, etc., who are trying to protect us from terrorists, scammers and hackers.

Example:

As soon as Ochka tried to access her gmail account after arrival in Ukraine . . . gmail denied access because it was worried the log in attempt came from a different country.

I was able to log into her account here in USA, and after a lot of checking and hassles, initiated some settings that will allow her to access from Ukraine . . . BUT . . . this will only take effect after 7 days.

In the past, I travelled a lot to different countries and didn't have this type of trouble accessing gmail and other email accounts.

But, it seems things are changing.

Anyone else encounter this sort of thing?

Previously we needed to tell our credit/debit card issuers about travel plans.  Now we need to tell email carriers as well.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: HoundDaddyLee on July 08, 2015, 11:05:09 AM
Terrorists, scammers and hackers continue to cause problems for we ordinary folks.

Much of this trouble comes from actions of companies, etc., who are trying to protect us from terrorists, scammers and hackers.

Example:

As soon as Ochka tried to access her gmail account after arrival in Ukraine . . . gmail denied access because it was worried the log in attempt came from a different country.

I was able to log into her account here in USA, and after a lot of checking and hassles, initiated some settings that will allow her to access from Ukraine . . . BUT . . . this will only take effect after 7 days.

In the past, I travelled a lot to different countries and didn't have this type of trouble accessing gmail and other email accounts.

But, it seems things are changing.

Anyone else encounter this sort of thing?

Previously we needed to tell our credit/debit card issuers about travel plans.  Now we need to tell email carriers as well.


Hi ML,


This is done for security reasons. It is a pain in the a**. Basically, when you set up an email (Gmail, Outlook), you give them your mobile phone number and they send you a code to verify that you are you.


If you then access your account from a different device/IP Address/Country, they want to send another code to your mobile device to verify you are the one accessing. I hate this, but it is the world we live in. Not sure if you can contact them before the trip to avoid this. This is called "Multi-factor Authentication" if you want to Bing/Google it. :)


Hope this helps,
HDL
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on July 08, 2015, 01:47:46 PM
Thanks.

But we refuse to give phone numbers when gmail asks for it.

And, even if we did give phone number to gmail, it wouldn't help for this situation because we use entirely different phones in Ukraine compared to what we use in USA.

Just as gmail freaked when she tried to access from Ukraine, it would likely also freak if we remembered to change the phone number from USA to Ukraine number.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: Vinnvinny on July 08, 2015, 01:55:38 PM
It’s not so important when one arrives, what’s key is that one eventually does turn up.

With the above in mind, many congrats ML and Ochka. :)

p.s. I didnt read all the thread so I'm hoping you're still together.  ;)
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on July 08, 2015, 02:15:18 PM
Hi Vinny, haven't seen you around much for awhile . . . at least not in my threads.

Not sure what you are referring to  'eventually does show up.'

Anyway, we are still together . . . at least as of about an hour ago when we talked on Skype.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: yaricksl on July 12, 2015, 12:29:35 PM
Hi,

Me UK and my girlfriend Taiwan are in a similar situation.
I do know from experience of another chap who got married and tried registering in Taiwan. He found the people within the government offices hard to talk to as they needed certified proof that he hadnt been married before. This is actually quite a hard thing to prove when you think about it, they got his birth certificate and then needed to go to a solicitor for a written statement that he had not been married before. However, reading your post it seems likely that you are getting married in the UK first then registering in Taiwan, this is the opposite way round of my case story and I hope it all goes well and you have a great wedding.
It has been a while since you posted this note... maybe you are married already in which case congratulations. I found your previous posts and was interested because I am experiencing the same things in my life, having a relationship where my girlfriend lives far away and we skype a lot. I have some questions like:

Did you find a job in Taiwan?
What job is your girlfriend going to find in the UK?
What are your plans for the future?

Any advice would be great.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: 2tallbill on July 12, 2015, 12:46:34 PM
Hi,

Me UK and my girlfriend Taiwan are in a similar situation.
I do know from experience of another chap who got married and tried registering in Taiwan. He found the people within the government offices hard to talk to as they needed certified proof that he hadnt been married before. This is actually quite a hard thing to prove when you think about it, they got his birth certificate and then needed to go to a solicitor for a written statement that he had not been married before. However, reading your post it seems likely that you are getting married in the UK first then registering in Taiwan, this is the opposite way round of my case story and I hope it all goes well and you have a great wedding.
It has been a while since you posted this note... maybe you are married already in which case congratulations. I found your previous posts and was interested because I am experiencing the same things in my life, having a relationship where my girlfriend lives far away and we skype a lot. I have some questions like:

Did you find a job in Taiwan?
What job is your girlfriend going to find in the UK?
What are your plans for the future?

Any advice would be great.

yaricksl,

I recommend that you start a new thread in the immigration and visa section here
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?board=7.0

ML, is an American and his wife is Ukrainian and neither of them were married in Taiwan
and the laws of USA, Ukraine, Taiwan and the UK are all different.

However, I recommend that you start a new thread in the immigration and visa section here
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?board=7.0

I would title the thread, UK man marries in Taiwan advice please and you will probably get
some valuable advice.

Udachi! or Zaohua (good luck!)

Bill
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on July 12, 2015, 06:06:30 PM
Just saw the post. 

No idea where the Taiwan thing came from.  I was there a hundred years or so ago as a young man serving 4 years in US Navy.

Thanks Bill for setting him straight.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: yaricksl on July 13, 2015, 09:52:39 AM
Hi,

Me UK and my girlfriend Taiwan are in a similar situation.
I do know from experience of another chap who got married and tried registering in Taiwan. He found the people within the government offices hard to talk to as they needed certified proof that he hadnt been married before. This is actually quite a hard thing to prove when you think about it, they got his birth certificate and then needed to go to a solicitor for a written statement that he had not been married before. However, reading your post it seems likely that you are getting married in the UK first then registering in Taiwan, this is the opposite way round of my case story and I hope it all goes well and you have a great wedding.
It has been a while since you posted this note... maybe you are married already in which case congratulations. I found your previous posts and was interested because I am experiencing the same things in my life, having a relationship where my girlfriend lives far away and we skype a lot. I have some questions like:

Did you find a job in Taiwan?
What job is your girlfriend going to find in the UK?
What are your plans for the future?

Any advice would be great.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: 2tallbill on July 13, 2015, 10:48:02 AM
Just saw the post. 

No idea where the Taiwan thing came from.  I was there a hundred years or so ago as a young man serving 4 years in US Navy.

Thanks Bill for setting him straight.

Looks like he could have missed my point (http://se.uploads.ru/Tp7vh.gif)

He posted this right after you

Hi,

Me UK and my girlfriend Taiwan are in a similar situation.
I do know from experience of another chap who got married and tried registering in Taiwan. He found the people within the government offices hard to talk to as they needed certified proof that he hadnt been married before. This is actually quite a hard thing to prove when you think about it, they got his birth certificate and then needed to go to a solicitor for a written statement that he had not been married before. However, reading your post it seems likely that you are getting married in the UK first then registering in Taiwan, this is the opposite way round of my case story and I hope it all goes well and you have a great wedding.
It has been a while since you posted this note... maybe you are married already in which case congratulations. I found your previous posts and was interested because I am experiencing the same things in my life, having a relationship where my girlfriend lives far away and we skype a lot. I have some questions like:

Did you find a job in Taiwan?
What job is your girlfriend going to find in the UK?
What are your plans for the future?

Any advice would be great.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on July 13, 2015, 10:55:36 AM
Am I being stalked by yaricksl ?
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on July 16, 2015, 11:09:15 AM
Ochka has been spending time the last couple of days with friends who are finishing off new apartments.

Helping them analyze floor tiling, kitchen cabinets, bathroom fixtures, etc.

They have been remarking to each other how simple it was back in Soviet times.

i.e. There was practically no choice; so not the necessity of all this time spent agonizing over the alternatives.

Also surprisingly, the cost of these new apartments has not decreased over the past year, despite the uncertainties Ukraine faces.

The apartment that Ochka bought and finished out last year would cost a little bit more right now.

And, in general, she says apartment prices have not changed much at all.  There are factors pushing toward lower prices, but this is offset by people in general just holding off selling.

Instead of selling, they are giving their previous older apartments out for rent.

As a result, the prices for rent have dropped noticeably.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on August 02, 2015, 09:32:16 PM
Ochka is on plane now in Kyiv and heading for Paris for plane change.

Neighbors will be glad when she returns because they are getting tired of me window peeping, etc.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: BillyB on August 03, 2015, 06:38:21 PM
Neighbors will be glad when she returns because they are getting tired of me window peeping, etc.



What's the "etc" and exactly how is your wife going to get you to stop? Inquiring minds want to know.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on August 03, 2015, 08:47:18 PM
Ochka will get me to 'stop' because she has this large stick that she hits me with when I do something wrong.

And now we are back home.

Her flights were great and she slept a lot on both legs of the flight.

However, upon landing, a lot of delays.  Rain downpour just after landing.  Crews couldn't get plane up to gate for some reason.  Or maybe couldn't get covered walkway to move up to plane.

Then long lines for immigration.

Ochka came in on EAD/AP card for first time.  I  had warned her that I read on Visa Journey that all coming in on this card are taken to secondary inspection station.  And they did for her also.  Another line there.

Then, because of rain, belt system wouldn't work to move luggage to carousel.

Anyway, she is safe and sound here.  Showered, I gave her back massage, and she went immediately to sleep.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: BillyB on August 03, 2015, 09:27:04 PM
Ochka will get me to 'stop' because she has this large stick that she hits me with when I do something wrong.



I know you ML and you do a lot of things wrong so you're getting beat on a regular basis. You have rights in America and we can get you help. You may think you deserve everything you get but you're a victim of domestic violence. 911 is your best friend.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on August 03, 2015, 09:51:18 PM
Yeah, I am going to check into that there 'elder abuse' thing.

Billy, when does your spouse get back into USA from Ukraine?
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on August 03, 2015, 09:57:22 PM
Ochka was asking me what I thought about us buying some older, run-down apartments in Ukraine; then fixing up for rent or selling for profit (hopefully).

In finishing out her new apartment near US Embassy in Kyiv, we found a very good worker/partner in a relative of hers by marriage.

We would put up the money, he would do the work, and then we split the gain on sale.

No, we aren't thinking of buying in Donetsk region.

I told her violence could break out and destroy apartments anywhere in Ukraine . . . but she thinks extremely unlikely in Kyiv and western Ukraine.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: jone on August 04, 2015, 10:41:39 AM
I think you are right.  If Putin decides to go West, it will be a blitzkrieg and will be over before it begins.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: BillyB on August 04, 2015, 08:16:29 PM
Billy, when does your spouse get back into USA from Ukraine?



In a month. Fortunately I got you guys to listen to my crappy jokes while I wait.


I told her violence could break out and destroy apartments anywhere in Ukraine . . . but she thinks extremely unlikely in Kyiv and western Ukraine.



If Putin goes for it all, all he'd need to do is take Kiev. My wife's in Western Ukraine so I didn't protest her leaving at this time.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on August 19, 2015, 07:05:13 PM
What prima donnas these women are.

Ochka has just completed three days of university teaching this semester.

Very stressful for her as one course is a new preparation.

So when she came home today, she said:  "I need to celebrate finally getting through these three days.  Let's go out to restaurant."

Three days . . . what the he!!

Who ever heard of celebrating and getting a meal at restaurant after three days . . . when the semester goes until mid-December?

But me being pussy whipped; I obediently complied.

I mean it's not like this stuff she teaches is difficult.

Second semester calculus class to Engineering students and multivariable calculus class to Engineering students. 

Sound fairly simple to me.

I don't know what calculus is, but anything that can vary in multiple ways sounds like a lot of fun.  Probably a snap course and something to do with new math, I suppose.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: BillyB on August 19, 2015, 10:31:52 PM
So when she came home today, she said:  "I need to celebrate finally getting through these three days.  Let's go out to restaurant."



You may have been scammed for a free meal. Report back to us what she asks of you after the next three days. We're here to help.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: Wayne on August 20, 2015, 10:41:09 AM
Calculus has been around for a very long time and there is nothing new about it. Most people don't need it. Math and engineering majors must pass it. Most people would just use a computer.
 
Perhaps your wife is used to being off for the Summer and not wanting it to end?
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: BdHvA on August 20, 2015, 01:18:54 PM
 :clapping:
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on August 20, 2015, 02:12:20 PM
Ochka has been bugging me to post pictures here of her garden produce.

At time of this pic, tomatoes were just getting started.

Now we have tomatoes coming out our ears and most other places.

We ended up with over 30 tomato bushes.  Just wanted 10 or so, but she planted an entire packet . . . and they all came up and are producing.  Plus bought 3 yellows which are my favorite.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on August 20, 2015, 02:15:43 PM
Here is something that is really tasty.

Zucchini Pizza.

Slice length way.
Add mayo, tomato, a little garlic  and some cheese on top.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: BillyB on August 20, 2015, 06:06:23 PM
Ochka has been bugging me to post pictures here of her garden produce.



Really nice looking vegetables. So nice I'm wondering if Ochka knows how to Photoshop.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: calmissile on August 20, 2015, 06:12:58 PM
Here is something that is really tasty.

Zucchini Pizza.

Slice length way.
Add mayo, tomato, a little garlic  and some cheese on top.

Looks so good I am going to ask Larissa to give it a try.

Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: SANDRO43 on August 20, 2015, 06:40:24 PM
Here is something that is really tasty. Zucchini Pizza. Slice lengthWISE. Add mayo, tomato, a little garlic  and some cheese on top.
Why on earth do you add mayo to a pizza :o?
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: Anotherkiwi on August 20, 2015, 07:23:49 PM
Why on earth do you add mayo to a pizza :o?

She's Ukrainian, Sandro - what did you expect?  :devil:
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: BdHvA on August 21, 2015, 03:50:30 AM
She's Ukrainian, Sandro - what did you expect?  :devil:

Sort of like northern Germans, they will throw a pineapple slice on top of any dish of food.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on August 21, 2015, 10:14:29 AM
Sorry, I mis-spoke about the mayo.  Actually Ochka does not use mayo much, unlike others from her area.

Here is the recipe:

Zucchini Pizzas .... Low carb!

Zucchini
Olive Oil
Garlic Powder
Sliced tomatoes
Shredded Mozzarella Cheese
Parmesan Cheese
Salt/Pepper

Directions:
Slice the zucchini in half. Slice off some bottom also to keep it stable. Brush with olive oil and top with garlic or garlic powder. Top with sliced tomatoes, salt and pepper to taste. Use Mozzarella cheese, Parmesan cheese or mixed blend.. Bake 375 for 20 to 30 minutes until soft.



Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: SANDRO43 on August 21, 2015, 11:51:10 AM
Much better - although Parmesan there is a bit redundant along with mozzarella ;).
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on August 22, 2015, 11:36:34 AM
Went to a picnic last evening for College of Arts and Sciences.  Huge college which the math department is part of.

I knew several professors from different departments and Ochka knew the math professors, of course.

We heard from some that 'you must meet X, Y Z who is new here from Russia.'  I said as nice as possible . . . no please do not send them our way.'

Then, as we were sitting and eating, a geography professor that I knew headed toward us with two women in tow.

I thought . . . oh sheeeeeet!

But it turned out great as the younger mid 30s professor of physics was from . . . Kyiv !!   Yeah.

And the older 60ish woman was her mother who was here (with the father) for 2 months on tourist visa.

The mother also had PhD in physics and worked at some government facility in Ukraine as scientist.  She said she had to sign a bunch of documents promising not to disclose secrets, before she could get out of the country.

Anyway, the three of them gabbed on and on in Ukrainian language.

The mother had spent a lot of time on Maidan supporting those trying to oust Yanokovich back when.

The daughter was not very pretty although she had a model's figure and was around 5 foot 9.  The mother was short and dumpy.

Not all Ukrainian women are 10s.

But very nice people and will be coming to our house soon.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: calmissile on August 22, 2015, 04:31:32 PM
ML,

Glad to see you guys making friends.  Larissa has been doing the same thing.  I am amazed how word gets around of another new Ukrainian in town.  Friends of friends have been introducing her to many new people. I have already lost track of all of her new friends. 

Of course there is our member, Krassie that she met when I first introduced her to on Skype when we first met in Kiev.  The two of them have chatted regularly on Skype for the past couple of years.  It's nice to have resident members that a new wife can chat with in their native language.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on August 28, 2015, 01:43:22 PM
W had a LOT of tomatoes this year.

So Ochka fixed some for later days.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on August 30, 2015, 10:16:53 PM
We had a picnic here today.  Mostly Ochka's fellow faculty in math, but a few others thrown in also.

It looked like a mini UN conference.

Attendees from Ukraine, Romania, Greece, Cyprus, Poland, Germany, France, Austria, Czech, Israel, India, Taiwan and Japan.

Only three USA native born's in entire group, including myself.

I noticed one math prof had the hots for Ochka, but he is a very shy type.  She took classes from him and thought him a near genius in the classroom, but outside classroom he is lost.  She said she never noticed his his interest in her, but it was clear.  I think he was quite disappointed to find out she was married.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on September 02, 2015, 10:16:58 PM
Not at all trying to 'rub salt' with respect to the current thread started by EasternSun, but . . .

Today, as with last week (Wednesday), Ochka thinks that because she taught for 3 days she deserves a restaurant dinner.

She really enjoys these and especially our long talks that seem to occur at restaurants.

Anyway, she was telling me of the very scary dream she had last night.

I was insisting that we were going to leave USA and go live in Ukraine.  She was very much against it, and in a terrible fright about it.

Her deceased Grandmother was in the dream also, but she didn't know what the Grandmother might have to do with this planned move to Ukraine.

She tried everything and every reason she could think of to get me to change my mind about us going to Ukraine.

But, in the end, I picked up some suitcases and headed for the door.

She then woke up in a cold sweat from the dream ordeal.

Note:  I never told her about EasternSun's story, so she wasn't just BSing me to show that she was different from his wife.

She and I couldn't figure out where this dream came from because I have never voiced any intention to go live in Ukraine permanently.

And, I thought it best not to ask her why she didn't actually like the idea that I wanted us to go live in Ukraine.  I guess deep down I wouldn't want to hear that she would rather live there than here.

A couple of slight things she said over the past few months leads me to believe she might becoming quite attached to USA. 

She told that when talking with a group of her very close women friends in Ukraine this past summer, she said something along the lines of "we in USA like to do X, Y, Z."    One of her 25 year friends was quite annoyed and 'called her' on referring to herself as part of the 'we' group in USA.  So Ochka realized she had actually thought of 'we' rather than 'they' when referring to people in USA.

And just recently, she remarked that she was really starting to think of our group of friends and acquaintances as people that she doesn't want to be separated from.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on September 10, 2015, 02:07:31 PM
Ochka has me check over her handouts, quizzes, exams, etc. for English before she does final printout for copying.

So just now, I looked over some of her Multivariable Calculus materials and came across the word 'parallelepiped' that she had typed.

I was ready to mark it as some sort of weird error wherein she had combined some words with misspellings, etc.

But, just decided to check out on Google.

OMG . . . there is such a word !!

Don't read about it . . . you can become a little queasy, as I did.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: SANDRO43 on September 11, 2015, 04:23:34 AM
So just now, I looked over some of her Multivariable Calculus materials and came across the word 'parallelepiped' that she had typed.I was ready to mark it as some sort of weird error wherein she had combined some words with misspellings, etc.But, just decided to check out on Google.OMG . . . there is such a word !!Don't read about it . . . you can become a little queasy, as I did.
It's just a stretched-out cube ;D:

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/ca/Parallelepipede.png)

Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on September 11, 2015, 09:50:12 AM
Too simple Sandro.

In three dimensions, a parallelepiped is a prism whose faces are all parallelograms. Let A, B, and C be the basis vectors defining a three-dimensional parallelepiped. Then the parallelepiped has volume given by the scalar triple product

Parallelepiped is a three-dimensional figure formed by six parallelograms (the term rhomboid is also sometimes used with this meaning). By analogy, it relates to a parallelogram just as a cube relates to a square or as a cuboid to a rectangle. In Euclidean geometry, its definition encompasses all four concepts (i.e., parallelepiped, parallelogram, cube, and square). In this context of affine geometry, in which angles are not differentiated, its definition admits only parallelograms and parallelepipeds. Three equivalent definitions of parallelepiped are

    a polyhedron with six faces (hexahedron), each of which is a parallelogram,
    a hexahedron with three pairs of parallel faces, and
    a prism of which the base is a parallelogram.

V_(parallelepiped)   =   |A·(BxC)|   
(1)
   =   |C·(AxB)|   
(2)
   =   |B·(CxA)|.   
(3)

In n dimensions, a parallelepiped is the polytope spanned by n vectors v_1, ..., v_n in a vector space over the reals,
span(v_1,...,v_n)=t_1v_1+...+t_nv_n,    
(4)

where t_i in [0,1] for i=1, ..., n. In the usual interpretation, the vector space is taken as Euclidean space, and the content of this parallelepiped is given by
abs(det(v_1,...,v_n)),    
(5)

where the sign of the determinant is taken to be the "orientation" of the "oriented volume" of the parallelepiped.

Given k vectors v_1, ..., v_k in n-dimensional space, their convex hull (along with the zero vector)
{sum_(i)t_iv_i:0<=t_i<=1}    
(6)

is called a parallelepiped, generalizing the notion of a parallelogram, or rather its interior, in the plane. If the number of vectors is equal to the dimension, then
A=(v_1...v_k)    
(7)

is a square matrix, and the volume of the parallelepiped is given by |detA|, where the columns of A are given by the vectors v_i. More generally, a parallelepiped has k dimensional volume given by |detA^(T)A|^(1/2).

When the vectors are tangent vectors, then the parallelepiped represents an infinitesimal k-dimensional volume element. Integrating this volume can give formulas for the volumes of k-dimensional objects in n-dimensional space. More intrinsically, the parallelepiped corresponds to a decomposable element of the exterior algebra Lambda^kR^n.


Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: BdHvA on September 11, 2015, 06:49:46 PM
In three dimensions,
    a polyhedron with six faces (hexahedron), each of which is a parallelogram,
    a hexahedron with three pairs of parallel faces, and
    a prism of which the base is a parallelogram.

V_(parallelepiped)   =   |A·(BxC)|   
(1)
   =   |C·(AxB)|   
(2)
   =   |B·(CxA)|.   
(3)

In n dimensions, a parallelepiped is the polytope spanned by n vectors v_1, ..., v_n in a vector space over the reals,
span(v_1,...,v_n)=t_1v_1+...+t_nv_n,    
(4)

where t_i in [0,1] for i=1, ..., n. In the usual interpretation, the vector space is taken as Euclidean space, and the content of this parallelepiped is given by
abs(det(v_1,...,v_n)),    
(5)

where the sign of the determinant is taken to be the "orientation" of the "oriented volume" of the parallelepiped.

Given k vectors v_1, ..., v_k in n-dimensional space, their convex hull (along with the zero vector)
{sum_(i)t_iv_i:0<=t_i<=1}    
(6)

is called a parallelepiped, generalizing the notion of a parallelogram, or rather its interior, in the plane. If the number of vectors is equal to the dimension, then
A=(v_1...v_k)    
(7)


Sorry see no reason to reqoute the entire article. But I am certain that there was no future in maths for me.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: Photo Guy on September 11, 2015, 07:54:55 PM
Too simple Sandro.

In three dimensions, a parallelepiped is a prism whose faces are all parallelograms. Let A, B, and C be the basis vectors defining a three-dimensional parallelepiped. Then the parallelepiped has volume given by the scalar triple product ...'

My sentiments exactly!
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on September 18, 2015, 09:39:46 AM
How many of you have ever experienced a woman (or man) coming home and saying?:

"I want a pizza and sex."

What a pain.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: BdHvA on September 21, 2015, 06:29:01 PM
ML, The three best things in life are a Scotch before and a nap afterwards.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: BillyB on September 21, 2015, 08:39:46 PM
"I want a pizza and sex."

What a pain.



Very demanding woman and always making you do two things at once. How long will you last before you get worn out?
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on October 05, 2015, 09:42:52 PM
This evening we went to a very interesting presentation at the university concerning the Russian invasion of Ukraine.

There were 4 very knowledgeable people on the panel.

Two professors specializing in Eastern Europe.  Both had spent considerable time on the ground in the area.
One of them had been to Ukraine 14 times including several times working as an official observer during  various elections.  He will be going back later this month to monitor some of the local elections.

One military officer with an extensive background in the various war colleges, etc.

One man fairly high up in the State Department with specialty in Eastern Europe.

What was fairly surprising to me was that none of them minced words.  I expected the State Department guy to use diplomatic words like . . . civil war in Eastern Ukraine with alleged help  from Russia.  But no, he used words . . . Russian invasion of Ukraine . . . Russian violation of various treaties, international standards of conduct, etc.

Interestingly, as was noted by others, the State Department guy spoke strongly for sending weapons to Ukraine . . . while the military guy spoke against and urged political solution.

There was discussion at end, and I asked more questions  than anyone.

I asked if I was correct in thinking that USA has proof from our satellites etc., where missile came from that downed the Malaysia flight . . . and that we were withholding this as a bargaining chip with Russia and wanted to avoid embarrassing Russia.

One of the answers was . . . what makes you think Russian people can be embarrassed at any misdeed they do?

I also asked why we weren't doing more to counter all the false propaganda that Russia was putting out.

The answer was that in our system, the reliance is placed on independent news organizations to do this rather than from our government.

At the beginning of my first question, I noted that I had extensive time on the ground in Ukraine myself . . . and that I had a beautiful Ukrainian wife as a result.  That brought smiles all around.

Afterward, the State Dept guy came up to Ochka and started talking to her in perfect (as she told me later) Ukrainian.  They talked for quite some time.  And later, one of the Professors sought her out to talk also . . . in Russian.  He wants her to come to some other events.

And finally, two Ukrainian nationals came to talk with Ochka.  One was a Professor in biosciences and the other working locally in industry.  They also want us to get together with them and others for social events.

Ochka was fairly glowing as we left and thanked me for pointing out that she was Ukrainian.  Without that . . . she would not have been sought out by those folks.
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Post by: Boethius on October 05, 2015, 11:09:24 PM
Thanks for that, ML.  Interesting.

I assume the State Department guy is the son of diaspora Ukrainians. 
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Interestingly, as was noted by others, the State Department guy spoke strongly for sending weapons to Ukraine . . . while the military guy spoke against and urged political solution.



I assume that is because the military guy has seen conflict.
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Post by: Patagonie on October 06, 2015, 09:08:47 AM
Fortunately they didn't steal your wife at the end!
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Post by: jone on October 06, 2015, 09:29:19 AM
ML,

I am curious if you note a shift in the US diplomatic stance from a year ago.  It seems to me that with Russia ignoring and even confronting US intentions in Syria that slowly the gloves are coming off.

I can tell you that I was talking with a congressional staffer two days ago and she said as much.  She said that the US State Department had specific instructions to treat the Russian nation as belligerents.  I would assume that those instructions came from 1600.

On two other notes and regarding your statement on Russians and misdeeds:

My woman is in Chelyabinsk for a week while I travel.  We got her an apartment through AirBNB.  After paying for the initial stay, our intent was to extend.  The owner said that he was unfamiliar with computers and could we pay him in cash.  I wasn't there, and when N called and asked me what to do, I asked her how we had paid him originally and how he was able to tell me through email to call him at the number we did.  She thought for a moment and I then could hear the conversation in Russia where she read him out. 

He gets paid more in cash because there is no service fee (or commission).  So he was lying to get the additional money.  His response was not even apologetic.

On the second and different note:  I was at a bus station and needed a taxi back to my hotel.  I hopped in the taxi and asked in Russian how much my fare would be.  He stated more than two times the going rate.  I hopped out of the car and told him some not nice things in Russian that my lovely had taught me.  I guess I am losing my patience with this mentality.
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Post by: Muzh on October 06, 2015, 09:33:00 AM
ML,

I am curious if you note a shift in the US diplomatic stance from a year ago.  It seems to me that with Russia ignoring and even confronting US intentions in Syria that slowly the gloves are coming off.

I can tell you that I was talking with a congressional staffer two days ago and she said as much.  She said that the US State Department had specific instructions to treat the Russian nation as belligerents.  I would assume that those instructions came from 1600.



That status is NOT new. The dragon lady pushed Obama to treat them as so years ago.
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Post by: BillyB on October 07, 2015, 10:23:20 PM
I assume that is because the military guy has seen conflict.



Shouldn't matter if the guy seen conflict. Conflict is always ugly. War should never be the first step in diplomacy. But in the case of Ukraine, it was clear early on diplomacy and sanctions weren't going to stop Russia from regaining control of Ukraine. Somebody has to have the balls to get in their way.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: Muzh on October 08, 2015, 09:45:07 AM

Shouldn't matter if the guy seen conflict. Conflict is always ugly. War should never be the first step in diplomacy. But in the case of Ukraine, it was clear early on diplomacy and sanctions weren't going to stop Russia from regaining control of Ukraine. Somebody has to have the balls to get in their way.


That's right. We need leaders who think with their dicks.
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Post by: BillyB on October 09, 2015, 12:16:58 AM

That's right. We need leaders who think with their dicks.


Balls equal courage. Dicks don't
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Post by: Muzh on October 09, 2015, 09:11:07 AM

Balls equal courage. Dicks don't


Heh, what are balls without a dick.  ;)


Besides, you don't see guys comparing the size of their balls, do you?
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Post by: Noch1 on October 09, 2015, 04:20:55 PM

Heh, what are balls without a dick.  ;)


Besides, you don't see guys comparing the size of their balls, do you?
Every day, its just all in how you look at it :)
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on October 09, 2015, 07:38:28 PM
Years ago, I started rolling up a sock and stuffing in front area of my briefs.

Scares a lot of guys and gets approving looks from gals.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: Muzh on October 12, 2015, 01:58:53 PM
Try a plantain.  ;)
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on October 12, 2015, 09:35:41 PM
Friends of mine came over for the 4 day weekend.

We took them to university, and in one of the classrooms, they asked Ochka to show some of her calculus class info.

I didn't understand anything, but the husband was an engineer and he understood.
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Post by: BillyB on October 12, 2015, 09:43:26 PM
I didn't understand anything,



It's the formula for rockets to break Earth's gravitational pull in route to reach Mars. I did sleep in a Holiday Inn Express last night.
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Post by: Muzh on October 13, 2015, 08:15:41 AM
Oh boy, differential equations. I took Calculus years back with Isaac Newton.
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Post by: jone on October 13, 2015, 08:41:00 AM
I thought that the diagram on the board was a pointed object passing into a circular object.  Or am I just obsessed?
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: Muzh on October 13, 2015, 09:54:56 AM
Obsess more likely.  :P
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: SANDRO43 on October 13, 2015, 04:15:34 PM
I took Calculus years back with Isaac Newton.
And where did the two of you bring that poor lad :D?
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Post by: 2tallbill on October 13, 2015, 06:13:01 PM
Oh boy, differential equations. I took Calculus years back with Isaac Newton.

I had my last calculus course back in 1984? but I can't remember any of it.

Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: Muzh on October 14, 2015, 09:11:32 AM
And where did the two of you bring that poor lad :D ?


Why, under an apple tree, of course  ;)
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on October 18, 2015, 01:40:49 PM
We go Tuesday for Ochka's Green Card interview.

Today during our exercise walk, she was asking what we would do if she was denied.

I told her there was virtually zero percent that she would be denied.

But she persisted . . . what would we do . . . if ?

I told her it wouldn't be a problem for me because there were plenty of other women in Ukraine to bring over.

Seems I will not get any home cooked meals for awhile.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: Larry1 on October 18, 2015, 01:57:25 PM
We go Tuesday for Ochka's Green Card interview.

Today during our exercise walk, she was asking what we would do if she was denied.

I told her there was virtually zero percent that she would be denied.

But she persisted . . . what would we do . . . if ?

I told her it wouldn't be a problem for me because there were plenty of other women in Ukraine to bring over.

Seems I will not get any home cooked meals for awhile.

There are even more in Russia.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on October 20, 2015, 05:55:03 PM
Went to Ochka's Green Card interview today.

Everything seemed to go OK, but I/O said this office never tells applicants they are approved on the spot, as do some other offices.

However, she sort of hinted that the Green Card would  be coming soon.

And, after we got home from a long day of shopping and eating, the email messages from USCIS had arrived saying Green Card was in production.

I told Ochka I was most happy that I wouldn't have to go through with this again with another gal later.  She liked my humor.

It is harder and harder each year to find real leather shoes locally.

So after the interview and eating at Mexican Restaurant, we went to the Gigantico Mall in the big city.

Now, you won't believe this, but the Louis Vuitton and Manolo Blahnik shoes that Ochka bought fit better and felt better on her feet than the store brands.

She was sure of it.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on October 23, 2015, 03:44:42 PM
Also, of possible interest was fact that the I/O boldly mentioned that Ukrainians were at or near top of list for marriage visa fraud.

I didn't pursue this with the I/O because I didn't want her to focus too much time on it.  So I diverted attention by mentioning the case of the Chinese man and his daughter who had the massive million dollar scheme of fraudulent marriages between Chinese women with money and homeless (some) AM in Los Angeles.  She had read about that also.

Anyway, I was somewhat surprised she said this about Ukraine.

I knew from way back that Ukrainians were near the top for tourist visa fraud; that is coming, overstaying and fading into the ethnic workplace underground.  But I didn't know there was that much marriage fraud going on . . . at least in recent years.

However, it might be true that the number of fraud cases with Ukrainians are relatively high, simply because the number of AM-UW marriages are relatively high.

Anyone else have any info about this?

I initially thought maybe this situation is why they delayed even scheduling our interview for nearly 9 months; but then Doug and his wife did not have this delay.
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Post by: ML on October 28, 2015, 10:19:33 PM
Green Card arrived in mail today . . . and it was actually Green.

I had seen some in previous years that were far from Green actually being somewhat Pink, and people were always asking why they were called Green Cards when they weren't green.

Now they are Green in color.
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Post by: ML on October 29, 2015, 09:59:02 PM
Bridge of Spies movie.

We saw it today.

Highly recommend it.

Take your FSU gal and think in some amazement how you and she are together watching this movie.
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Post by: Muzh on October 30, 2015, 08:46:03 AM
Yeah, I want to see that one.  :clapping:
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on November 01, 2015, 10:40:20 AM
Ochka has become pretty good friends with a couple of professors from Poland.  Friday night one of them hosted a party and invited us.  I was a little bit surprised that there were 12 other couples there . . . all Polish.  Didn't know there were so many in town.

They were all PhD professors in the sciences or MDs; both men and women.  So a really high caliber group of people.  I was the only native English speaker, but they all had pretty good English, of course.

Many of them had gone to Oxford or Cambridge in England and most all had children in (or completed) doctoral programs at Stanford, Ivy League schools, etc.

And quite pleasingly, almost all of them individually made a point of coming to sit beside Ochka and me to chat a bit; while the others could be together gabbing away in Polish.  One man had talked to me for about 10 minutes before he commented "you seem to have very good English."  I laughed and told him I was from USA.  He had mistakenly thought I was from Ukraine, along with Ochka.

Also, these people really know how to party.  A lot of drinking and dancing.  But drinking was wine only, no hard stuff which was kind of surprising.  Many of the men danced with Ochka, but I didn't ask any of the other gals to dance.  Ochka is really good at dancing the Polka, which I hadn't really known about.

I knew from previous encounters with EE people that they tend to have more 'at home' parties than Western folks.  This is a carry over from Soviet times when it was not either 'safe or acceptable' to do such in public.  At least that is what I have been told over the years.

All of these folks were in 40s and 50s, so had grown up behind the Iron Curtain when it was still down.

No real beautiful gals, but most had kept fairly fit and trim.

The only drawback of the evening was that most of them lamented the lack of more 'socialized' services in USA.  I get quite irritated at people who come to USA because it is the best country in the world . . . and then want to change USA toward the failed systems where they came from.
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Post by: calmissile on November 01, 2015, 11:09:18 AM
Larissa and I went to see Bridge of Spies last night.  Agree, it is a good movie.

Has anyone learned the secret to how to keep your FSU woman from talking during movies or TV shows?   ;D
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on November 01, 2015, 11:46:34 AM
Ochka does not talk at the movies, but I often tell her things that I think might have been confusing to her.  We always go during mid-afternoon when only 2-6 other people are in the theatre and sit distant from others, so no one is bothered by my talking to her.  Plus I turn and talk directly into her ear, so voice can be very soft.

At home, we watch a lot of stuff that has been recorded, and she sometimes asks me to pause the show so she can get a clarification from me.
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Post by: Anotherkiwi on November 01, 2015, 05:29:29 PM
The only drawback of the evening was that most of them lamented the lack of more 'socialized' services in USA.  I get quite irritated at people who come to USA because it is the best country in the world . . . and then want to change USA toward the failed systems where they came from.

Don't be such a snob.  :)  A lot of the "failed" systems in such places have not failed at all - they're just different from what you're used to, so don't assume that they're necessarily inferior.
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Post by: ML on November 01, 2015, 05:47:48 PM
Don't be such a snob.  :)  A lot of the "failed" systems in such places have not failed at all - they're just different from what you're used to, so don't assume that they're necessarily inferior.

They came to my country for a better life for themselves and their children !!!
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: Anotherkiwi on November 01, 2015, 06:17:28 PM
They came to my country for a better life for themselves and their children !!!

So what?  That doesn't necessarily mean that EVERYTHING they left behind was worse than they encounter in the USA.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: Boethius on November 01, 2015, 06:58:23 PM
Rather than complaining, they could become active to change that which they believe could be better. 
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on November 01, 2015, 08:50:02 PM
Pythagoras' Theorem: ..............................24 words.
Lord's Prayer: .......................................... 66 words.
Archimedes' Principle: ..............................67 words.
Ten Commandments: ..............................179 words.
Gettysburg Address: ................................286 words.
US Declaration of Independence: .........1,300 words.
US Constitution with all 27 Amendments: ..7,818 words.
European Union Regulations on Sale of CABBAGES:..26,911 words.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: Boethius on November 01, 2015, 09:15:16 PM
But EU laws are, I believe, published in all 23 languages of the EU. 
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on November 07, 2015, 06:19:24 PM
Woman:  You know what I want for Thanksgiving?

Man:  Turkey, I suppose.

Woman:  I want to have sex on floor in front of fireplace.

Man:  Life is great.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: jone on November 07, 2015, 06:51:47 PM
Could you pass the cranberries?
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on November 07, 2015, 08:27:16 PM
Could you pass the cranberries?

Which meaning of 'pass' are you using?
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: Muzh on November 09, 2015, 12:52:05 PM
Emergency evacuation procedures.  ;)
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Post by: jone on November 09, 2015, 01:34:19 PM
They wouldn't be cranberries any more.
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Post by: SANDRO43 on November 09, 2015, 03:35:40 PM
Isn't it time to change the title of this thread to "Four Year Wonders GOT Married: Ochka and ML" ;)?
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Post by: ML on November 09, 2015, 04:06:59 PM
Isn't it time to change the title of this thread to "Four Year Wonders GOT Married: Ochka and ML" ;)?

That change would be OK with me.

Can you do it Sandro?
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Post by: ML on November 28, 2015, 10:25:01 AM
Black Friday purchases.  Actually Brown Thursday evening.

Toshiba Encore Tablet.  List price $299.  We paid $89.
Toshiba 14 inch laptop.  List price $399.  We paid $119.
Merino wool sports coat (2 of them).  List price $200.  We paid $69.
Formal evening dress.  List price $300.  We paid $54.
Formal evening dress.  List price $250.  We paid $22.
16 GB micro chip (2 of them).  List price $19.  We paid $5

Several other misc items.
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Post by: BillyB on November 29, 2015, 11:18:53 AM


How were the crowds? I went to a few stores and I've never seen so few people. Traffic wasn't even bad. Not many mind blowing deals and I think more and more people are buying on the internet. Many stores opened at different times so I think that cut down on the crowds. My wife bought me something from Victoria's Secret. Did anybody die at Walmart this year?
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Post by: ML on November 29, 2015, 03:36:12 PM
JC Penny opened at 3 PM on Thursday.  We arrived at about 2:55 and saw a line.  But when we arrived at door, it had just opened and the line was already almost completely in.  Didn't know it, but they handed out $10 coupons  to first 200 people; we got 2.

Best Buy opened at 5 PM, we got there around 5:10 and no line.  A lot of people  inside, but I was able to get the Toshiba tablet.

Office Depot opened at 6 PM, we got there at 5:45 and there was line of about 20 people.  I thought we would be out of luck for the Toshiba laptop, but a guy came along line asking  what we wanted.  He handed out coupons for the items until he ran out.  Luckily, we got the next to last coupon.

Then we went to higher end clothing store and found the dresses for Ochka.  Didn't seem to be a lot of people inside.

Went to WalMart on Friday to pick up the microchips and other misc items.  Went in afternoon, and looked pretty much like a normal shopping day, with respect to number of people inside.
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Post by: ML on December 01, 2015, 11:52:32 AM
Had to return the Toshiba Encore.

First, it locked up and wouldn't turn off.
Search on google gave hint that it might turn off if the + key on volume was held down at same time as power off button.  It worked, but pretty silly system.

Then, it wouldn't turn on even though fully charged and still plugged in to AC.  Tried repeatedly over a 7-8 hour period pushing every combination of keys possible.

Read on Internet that many people were experiencing this same problem.

Then suddenly it came on.

Next day, same thing happened.  Wouldn't come on.

Returned it in that condition.

No hassles at all in Office Depot taking it back.

Strange, all these problems . . . and not just with mine . . . and at same time one reviewer placed the Toshiba Encore in top 10 of all tablets.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on January 08, 2016, 10:03:30 AM
It's that time of year . . . January 7th . . . so Ochka busy all day on the 6th preparing food guaranteed to make me even fatter.

Two of the items were Kutia and Pirozhki.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kutia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pirozhki

She had three different fillings in the pirozhki; cherries, peaches and sweet cheese that she made herself from scratch starting with Kefir.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kefir

In picture, Ochka is grinding poppy seeds (using mortar and pestle) as one of the ingredients of Kutia.  She uses rice as one of the other main ingredients rather than some other grain.

She always tells me that men are supposed to do the grinding of the poppy seeds; but I tell her not in USA since days of male emancipation.
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Post by: jazztropy on January 08, 2016, 11:06:15 AM
Looks delicious
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on January 13, 2016, 01:44:09 PM
Ochka infrequently reads some news discussion sites in both Russian and Ukrainian.

1) She remarks how funny it is that the same event is portrayed completely differently in Russian vs Ukrainian sites.

2) One thread was about people at ski resorts in France and Switzerland.  The Russians can always be spotted because all (men, women and children) wear flashy fur coats and women all gold and diamonds in restaurants, etc. while others dress as skiers.  Many out-of-shape RM are at the ski resorts who have no intention of skiing.

3) In another thread, the women were stating how all WW were very fat, so WM would be attracted to FSUW who were just a little fat.

I told her number 3 was not true, for myself and most other WM.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ChickMagnet on January 16, 2016, 11:28:32 PM
I'm glad "Wonder" applies to 4 year also. I'm the OWW and still going after 11 years. I wish the best for
you. The important part is not the length before marriage, but the length after marriage.

Mark
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Post by: Maxx2 on January 17, 2016, 04:40:39 AM
I'm glad "Wonder" applies to 4 year also. I'm the OWW and still going after 11 years. I wish the best for
you. The important part is not the length before marriage, but the length after marriage.

Mark


I thought that was you from a PM you sent me a few years ago inquiring if I was thee "Maxx." I am glad you are doing fine and well and the Misses too. Your new name had me worried though about that. I thought, "Oh no! Not another casualty!" Well, you outlasted the guy who gave you your title by a few years.
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Post by: ML on January 19, 2016, 01:48:50 PM
Today is the 'blessing of the waters' day on the Orthodox calendar.

Also, supposed to wash your self and then the year will be good to you, or some such.

Ochka told me I must take a shower today, but I told her it was not near enough to the end of the month for that.
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Post by: ML on January 20, 2016, 12:14:31 PM
Kutia and Pirozhki required again for recent religious day.

These were filled with Ochka's home made sweet cheese or cherries.

Yes, I already ate one, to make sure they were OK !!
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on January 20, 2016, 12:16:24 PM
Has anyone (or spouse) renewed their Ukrainian passport in USA at Ukrainian Embassy in DC or one of the Ukrainian Consulate offices?
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: Jumper on January 21, 2016, 01:23:23 PM
Kutia and Pirozhki required again for recent religious day.

These were filled with Ochka's home made sweet cheese or cherries.

Yes, I already ate one, to make sure they were OK !!

If you keep eating bread, you are going to lose your girlish figure!
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: Jumper on January 21, 2016, 01:24:32 PM
Has anyone (or spouse) renewed their Ukrainian passport in USA at Ukrainian Embassy in DC or one of the Ukrainian Consulate offices?

I've known people that did.
Seemed a hassle , yet easier than flying back to Ukraine.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on January 24, 2016, 09:11:24 PM
Winter storm Jonas came through Saturday and dropped 22 inches of snow on us.

I wanted to get one of my guys out with the tractor and blade, but Ochka said she could do it by hand.  So, of course, I had to help.

But then I called the guy anyway, once we got started down the main driveway.  It would have taken us 2 weeks or so to finish by hand.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: BillyB on January 24, 2016, 10:27:08 PM


  It would have taken us 2 weeks or so to finish by hand.



Some people pay for that kind of exercise at fitness clubs. You could've gotten two weeks exercise for free but lost the benefit when you called in the tractor.
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Post by: Gator on January 25, 2016, 05:28:59 PM
Multiply that by 4 and you have Boston from last year.   

When living in Pennsylvania outside Philadelphia, we received almost 36" of snow in one day.  I constructed a toboggan run for my 3-yo son with steep sides so he would not fly into the trees. It took me most of the day.

The snow plows came late the second day and cleared our rural road.  I cleared the driveway on the third day, which was not a difficult task as it was steep and I merely pushed the snow sideways into a ravine rather than shovel it into piles.     

I finally made it to the office around noon of the third day, yet had written a business proposal by longhand. 

It was beautiful but once was enough.  Now I know why I live in the subtropics.  Yet even here I had to wear thermal underwear to play golf. 
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Post by: GuppyCaptain on January 25, 2016, 08:00:00 PM
ML, where do you live that you got 22"? We "escaped" the worst of it with only 6-8" up in the northeast corner of PA where I live, but 29" piled on top of my car awaits me when I finish my trip tomorrow night in BWI. Plus, I'll be plowed in. Can't wait....
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on January 25, 2016, 09:06:43 PM
ML, where do you live that you got 22"? We "escaped" the worst of it with only 6-8" up in the northeast corner of PA where I live, but 29" piled on top of my car awaits me when I finish my trip tomorrow night in BWI. Plus, I'll be plowed in. Can't wait....

We are south of you.  We get hit worst when winter storm comes up from Gulf bringing all that moisture.

You probably get hit more from snow coming down from Canada . . . when wind coming from that direction.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: Vaughn on January 30, 2016, 06:27:07 PM
I'm more than a year late to this thread, but ML, allow me to wish you my sincere congratulations. Several years ago in a private exchange you said something like "You are I are two very different people." While that may be so, it strikes me that the difference is more pronounced in how we perceive things and the world. Elvira and I are very happy for both you ~ we all strive to get to the same place, although in our own unique way.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on January 30, 2016, 09:06:49 PM
Hi   
Thanks a lot for your wishes.  It means a lot to me since you are a straight shooting solid citizen.

I had wondered from time to time what happened to you, since I didn't see you posting.  But I assumed that solid citizen types didn't have time for most of the silliness that goes on here !!  :-)

Give our best to your spouse and family,

ML and Ochka
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on February 04, 2016, 09:24:32 PM
My spouse is a kisser.

About 2-4 times a day, she is likely to say: "I want to kiss you."

Tonight we were watching "Blacklist" where a lot of killing  occurred.

During a commercial she  turned to me and said:  "I want to kill you."

I looked at her wide eyed . . . and she immediately caught her mistake.  We both started laughing . . . but then I wouldn't let her kiss me.

She wanted to know why.

I said: "This was perhaps a Freudian moment."

That made her a little mad.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: BillyB on February 04, 2016, 10:33:00 PM

During a commercial she  turned to me and said:  "I want to kill you."



This statement was deep in her subliminal thoughts and if I were you, sleep with one eye open tonight. Every time she said she wanted to kiss you she made it happen, right? She'll make it happen.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on February 14, 2016, 05:57:53 PM
Valentine's Day 2016.

Despite this being relatively new to Ukraine, Ochka is very much into it.

Pilates in morning while watching discussion shows on TV.
Lite breakfast.
Shower, check email and internet discussion sites.
Off to nice restaurant for early afternoon meal.
Specialty ice cream shop for dessert.
Crank up fireplace at home.
Pull queen sized mattress to front of fireplace.
Activities with very passionate, affectionate and capable Ukrainian gal at height of her sexual powers.
Long sleep and rest in front of very warm fire.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: calmissile on February 14, 2016, 06:50:11 PM
Valentine's Day 2016.

Despite this being relatively new to Ukraine, Ochka is very much into it.

Pilates in morning while watching discussion shows on TV.
Lite breakfast.
Shower, check email and internet discussion sites.
Off to nice restaurant for early afternoon meal.
Specialty ice cream shop for dessert.
Crank up fireplace at home.
Pull queen sized mattress to front of fireplace.
Activities with very passionate, affectionate and capable Ukrainian gal at height of her sexual powers.
Long sleep and rest in front of very warm fire.


An ideal day.    ;)
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: BillyB on February 14, 2016, 08:10:29 PM
Activities with very passionate, affectionate and capable Ukrainian gal at height of her sexual powers.



Did those activities include a game of Monopoly? If so, an ideal day.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on February 15, 2016, 01:46:21 PM

Did those activities include a game of Monopoly? If so, an ideal day.

Actually, we put together a puzzle.
We are a pretty good team, because it only took us 3 hours while the puzzle said 4-5 years.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on February 15, 2016, 01:53:09 PM
Ochka bought a Hyundai Elantra when she arrived almost 5 years ago.
On snow days, I usually drove her to university in Nissan Frontier stick shift with 4 wheel drive.
She resisted learning stick shift, and I never pushed very hard.
Last fall, I traded in the Nissan for a Ford Ranger automatic with 4 wheel drive.
I told her she could drive it to university on snow days.
She resisted; but I pushed, and had her practice a few times with me in the vehicle.
Finally, last week she drive the Ranger herself to university 3 days.
Now she is telling me she is really liking it, and maybe wants to drive the Ranger all the time !!!
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on February 18, 2016, 01:18:02 PM
We previously became acquainted with a couple from Ukraine who are both professors at the university.
Last night we went to basketball game with the man and his father who is visiting from Ukraine.
He is retired as professor of Electrical Engineering at a university in Kharkiv.
They told how the family had always spoken Russian at home, but now the family still in Kharkiv and the family here in USA have switched to speaking only Ukrainian at home.
A cousin was wounded in battle in Donetsk, recuperated a couple of months, and has now returned to active duty again in Donetsk region.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: mendeleyev on February 28, 2016, 09:40:06 AM
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They told how the family had always spoken Russian at home, but now the family still in Kharkiv and the family here in USA have switched to speaking only Ukrainian at home.

A very common Ukrainian reaction to what is happening. I pray that this conflict will end soon and that Ukrainians will be able to live on their own terms, not being dominated by any power--whether from East or West.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on February 28, 2016, 11:10:13 AM
Yesterday was my birthday.
Turning 40 is a big event in anyone's life.
Ochka and I walked in morning at nearly empty mall for an hour and had good talks about world events, etc.
Then free breakfast at IHOP.  Join their club to get this.
Also have coupon for free breakfast at Denny's and Bob Evans that are good for a week or so.
Then to another mall where a Health Fair was being held.
We spent about 45 minutes sitting and listening to a free performance given by a Polish Polka band.
Ochka can really dance the Polka well, but I don't, so no go.
She really enjoyed the music and said it reminded her of home.  Polish polka music was always played at weddings, birthday parties, etc., even as they weren't Polish.  But  she did grow up in Western Ukraine where there is a lot of Polish influence.  She said Jewish music was also mostly always played at weddings (along with some Jewish dances), even as they weren't Jewish.
Then home for free late afternoon sex.
Light meal.
Off to university basketball game where I have free tickets.
We won.
Since we had such  a great day with all the free stuff, and I hit almost all green lights all day,  Ochka said I should purchase a PowerBall ticket for the Saturday night drawing.

I did . . . and after checking just now, found out all my luck had been used up on green lights, free meals, free music, free sex, and free basketball tickets.

Later this afternoon we go to a Chamber Music performance.  The tickets were not free.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: BillyB on March 01, 2016, 02:00:00 AM
Yesterday was my birthday.
Turning 40 is a big event in anyone's life.





Happy Birthday! You look like you're in your 20's.  Cough cough.




We spent about 45 minutes sitting and listening to a free performance given by a Polish Polka band.
Ochka can really dance the Polka well, but I don't, so no go.
She really enjoyed the music and said it reminded her of home.  Polish polka music was always played at weddings, birthday parties, etc., even as they weren't Polish. 




I like a good Polka. Lawrence Welk does a number of good Polkas.




Then home for free late afternoon sex.





What time of day sex isn't free? Never mind. You can't go wrong sticking with the free sex in the late afternoon.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: mendeleyev on March 06, 2016, 11:01:12 AM
МЛ, С днем рождения!
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on March 10, 2016, 04:30:21 PM
Thanks Jim for the birthday wishes.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on March 10, 2016, 04:39:47 PM
Ochka cleans the house, cars, and yard.
But she doesn't like to clean her computer (delete messages, etc.)
Periodically I go into her email account and delete a ton of old messages, mostly ads, etc.
About 6 months ago, I went into her Skype and cleaned out 'contact requests.'  Don't remember how many there were or the nature.
This week, she asked a person to send a 'contact request' and wanted me to go into her Skype and respond to the contact request, so they could start talking on Skype.
OMG, I encountered about a 100 contact requests from men.
Interestingly, about 40% of them were from guys who had General in front of their name, and many of them were in uniform.
Another 25% or so had Dr. in front of their name, and many of them wearing white lab coats.
So it seems this is one of the latest procedures to hopefully start a relationship with a woman on Skype . . . i.e. claim to be a General or a Doctor.
Ochka does not even have a picture of herself showing on Skype and her age is not listed either.
But I guess just being a female and listing Ukraine is enough to get all this attention.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: Chicagoguy on March 11, 2016, 08:49:26 AM
My wife also frequently gets similar requests on Skype. Over 2 years ago she changed her picture to an ugly one. Still they kept coming. She doesn't even mention it now. Just assumes there is nothing she can do about is so she just deletes them.

As for me, I can't understand where these people come from or who they are ?
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on March 11, 2016, 09:14:44 AM

As for me, I can't understand where these people come from or who they are ?

Just guys with testosterone.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: Hammer2722 on March 11, 2016, 09:37:45 AM
They are probably scammers from Nigeria or Ghana trying to find new ways to find their victims, lol
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on March 27, 2016, 10:19:22 PM
Would you believe these two pictures are of the same woman taken today?
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: Anotherkiwi on March 28, 2016, 04:08:34 AM
Would you believe these two pictures are of the same woman taken today?

Thank you, ML!  At last we can see what she looks like without you adding terrible acne to her face!  ;D
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: Muzh on March 28, 2016, 02:33:38 PM
Would you believe these two pictures are of the same woman taken today?


FINALLY!! You got her to a dermatologist to take care of that picture rash.


Man, does she look great or what?


DUDE!!
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: Gator on March 28, 2016, 03:56:00 PM
Would you believe these two pictures are of the same woman taken today?

My, my!  That is the most beautiful wheelbarrow in the world. 

Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: Gator on March 28, 2016, 04:01:42 PM
Judging by the size of the hole and the photo at the garden shop, she is planting a flowering tree.  Is there enough sun under the oaks?
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: Faux Pas on March 28, 2016, 04:31:55 PM

FINALLY!! You got her to a dermatologist to take care of that picture rash.


Man, does she look great or what?


DUDE!!

Yeah she's pretty hot now that she's grown out of that skin condition  :devil:
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: BillyB on March 28, 2016, 04:45:05 PM
Would you believe these two pictures are of the same woman taken today?



Where is the man of the house at in the second photo? Doing the heavy lifting of a camera? Don't tell me you don't have a license to operate a shovel or wheelbarrow.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: Gator on March 28, 2016, 05:00:16 PM

Where is the man of the house at in the second photo? Doing the heavy lifting of a camera? Don't tell me you don't have a license to operate a shovel or wheelbarrow.

ML knows nothing about machinery. 
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on March 28, 2016, 08:35:47 PM
Thanks fellas for the good words about my Ochka.
She can outwork me and most any other man or woman.

Gator, that is actually a pile of topsoil that I had brought in after it was skimmed off the top of driveway for one of the new houses being built.

Our garden is full of large rocks and has mostly clay.  So we have been digging out the rocks and clay, hauling it off, and then replacing with the topsoil.  Ochka even insists on sifting the topsoil to remove smaller pebbles.

We did this same thing last year but never finished with the entire rather large garden area.  So this year we are trying to fix up some more of the area.  This past week was spring break from the university, so we got quite a bit done . . . but still more to go.

Those of you who want a woman who will carry more than her share of the work . . . go Ukrainian.

Actually, I would just as soon not do the garden and buy from others who do a garden . . . but Ochka will hear none of that.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on April 20, 2016, 03:20:20 PM
We may get a divorce over the gardening!!!
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on May 01, 2016, 03:54:33 PM
May 1, 2016.  Orthodox Easter day.

Ochka didn't really have the time (because preparing final exams and holding extra review sessions, etc), but still insisted she had to make Paska (Easter bread) and Pyrizhky.

To me, the Paska is rather tasteless, but she likes it a lot.
So she makes the Pyrizhky for me.
Two different fillings in the Pyrizhky;  cherries and apples.

She is embarrassed that her Paska doesn't look very pretty and is lacking decorations, and she figures that Big Bill's spouse prepared something pretty fancy, but . . .
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: Anotherkiwi on May 01, 2016, 06:29:13 PM
To me, the Paska is rather tasteless, but she likes it a lot.
So she makes the Pyrizhky for me.
Two different fillings in the Pyrizhky; cherries and apples.

I'll put in an order for some apple ones, please!  :toocool:
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on May 01, 2016, 09:05:22 PM
I'll put in an order for some apple ones, please!  :toocool:

Fed Express, UPS, DHL . . . or what ?
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: Anotherkiwi on May 02, 2016, 04:19:20 AM
Fed Express, UPS, DHL . . . or what ?

DHL should do the trick!  :zap:
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: 2tallbill on May 03, 2016, 11:25:29 PM
Big Bill's spouse prepared something pretty fancy, but . . .

It's not a competition  ;D
I didn't get to eat any of it since I'm in Cheyenne and she is in North Dakota.
I'll be flying to see her on Thursday.


(http://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13082544_492890407574974_3970534575746279435_n.jpg?oh=38caa85e58cc0e12804d322be55c140f&oe=57E2BD2E)
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: cc3 on May 04, 2016, 02:14:45 AM

I didn't get to eat any of it since I'm in Cheyenne...


Say, Bill, are you in Cheyenne often? Cheyenne is my American headquarters when visiting the US from Lviv. I'll be there, with my Ukrainian 'better half' (her first US trip), in two weeks!  8)
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: msmobyone on May 04, 2016, 11:43:37 AM
Keep getting fed this cake...it's SO dry.. you need to drink with it...

or better still - pour on some Amaretto


Tastes far better..

Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on May 09, 2016, 05:11:35 PM
Had a 'Ukrainian' end-of-semester picnic at our house yesterday.
17 persons attended (one unmarried), all university associated.
All were born in Ukraine except for one Russian, one Frenchman and myself.  We three are married to Ukrainian women.  The Russian man was of Jewish faith (my guess), was no lover of Russia (thank God) and had left Russia as soon as he could.
Most of the married couples seemed to be within 5 years of each other.
But for two FSU couples, the man might have been 15 years or so older than the woman.
Two of the couples met and married here in USA, even as all 4 were born in Ukraine.
Females were not all 'lookers' but there were no 'porkers.'
Most all attending had PhDs and remaining Masters.
All were very happy to be living in USA; there was no 'bitching and moaning' about USA, and Ochka said, that in private conversations with the females, none complained about their husbands.  They also all lied and told Ochka what I great guy I seemed to be.
When all were gathered, I announced that they should speak in Ukrainian (which they [including the Frenchman] did) and not worry about me.   And, out of kindness, all of them rotated over to me (one or two at a time) and spoke in English.
Luckily, yesterday was one of the few 'rain-less' days for the past several weeks, even as it wasn't quite as warm as I had hoped.
A good time was had by all, there was too much food (of course) and wine was the only drink consumed.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on May 14, 2016, 10:23:26 PM
This afternoon we went to the new movie "Mother's Day."

A light hearted comedy with some romance which was a nice change of pace from the killings which occur in most of the current TV series.

Ochka really enjoyed it, and it brightened our mood greatly on an overcast rainy day.

For me, nice to view a bevy of good looking slender women with great toned and taunt bodies:  Jennifer Aniston, Kate Hudson, Britt Robertson, Courteney Cox, and for really smoking hot . . . check out Shay Mitchell.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: cc3 on May 15, 2016, 04:35:35 AM
This afternoon we went to the new movie "Mother's Day."

A light hearted comedy with some romance which was a nice change of pace from the killings which occur in most of the current TV series.

Ochka really enjoyed it, and it brightened our mood greatly on an overcast rainy day.

For me, nice to view a bevy of good looking slender women with great toned and taunt bodies:  Jennifer Aniston, Kate Hudson, Britt Robertson, Courteney Cox, and for really smoking hot . . . check out Shay Mitchell.

There is a plethora of good looking slender women with toned and taunt [sic] (I think you meant 'taut') bodies here in Lviv!  ;) Don't need to wait for a flick to view them.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on May 18, 2016, 12:25:32 PM
Soon Ochka will be leaving for her annual month-long visit back to Ukraine.

She has been preparing extra-special meals and cooking many things to put in freezer that I can eat later.

And, now that the semester is done, she can take more time to look extra-special for me.

My 40 something can put many 20 somethings to shame.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: Patagonie on May 18, 2016, 12:38:53 PM
All my congratulations for you and your wife,
a little hello from France.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on May 18, 2016, 03:42:47 PM
All my congratulations for you and your wife,
a little hello from France.

Hey Pat, good to hear from you.
You have been missing so long, I figured you were deep undercover chasing terrorists.
Let us know what's happening in your life.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: BillyB on May 19, 2016, 11:23:32 AM
Soon Ochka will be leaving for her annual month-long visit back to Ukraine.


If you're feeling lonely we'll be here for your emotional needs. Some of us may even be available for your physical needs but not me.


Hey Pat, good to hear from you. You have been missing so long, I figured you were deep undercover chasing terrorists.


Always good to hear from Pat. I like to believe when someone is missing for some time, they were abducted and experimented on by aliens. I don't want to be the only person here that had that happen.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on May 21, 2016, 07:15:55 PM
Ochka arrived safely in Kyiv and is now sleeping at family's place.
 
She is going to check on current apartment prices and maybe we will buy another unfinished unit or two to finish out.  Don't know if apartment prices in Hryvnia have tripled to keep pace with the tripling of Hryvnia to dollar the last year or two.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on May 25, 2016, 03:13:55 PM
I feel bad for Ochka.  She put a lot of work into the garden and now the strawberries are really producing and she is not getting to eat any.

Also tons of leaf lettuce ready; and radishes which I don't eat.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: jone on May 25, 2016, 03:51:19 PM
I feel bad for Ochka.  She put a lot of work into the garden and now the strawberries are really producing and she is not getting to eat any.

Also tons of leaf lettuce ready; and radishes which I don't eat.

Does that mean you're not getting any either?

 :blowkiss:
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on May 25, 2016, 06:06:58 PM
Does that mean you're not getting any either?

 :blowkiss:

No . . . I am getting the strawberries.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: Anotherkiwi on May 25, 2016, 07:10:54 PM
No . . . I am getting the strawberries.

Good - they look terrific!  :thumbsup:
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: fathertime on May 25, 2016, 07:21:45 PM
I feel bad for Ochka.  She put a lot of work into the garden and now the strawberries are really producing and she is not getting to eat any.

Also tons of leaf lettuce ready; and radishes which I don't eat.


the strawberries look tasty...i remember as a kid strawberries were small, bright red, and super tasty...now store bought ones are the size of a plum but the taste is much duller. 


Fathertime!   
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on May 26, 2016, 05:29:19 PM
Yes these taste like real strawberries.  The way they all used to taste in our youth when mostly what you ate was grown by grandparents or other local folks.

We almost never buy strawberries, tomatoes or peaches from supermarkets.  They mostly taste like styrofoam (and don't ask me how I know what styrofoam tastes like).

Blueberries, grapes and apples are fine though.

Right now, mangoes from several supermarkets are tasting great.  Must be the season for them.

I might have some tomatoes in a month or so.

Last fall we found a good source for peaches, but they are  only available in approx a 2 week window.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on May 26, 2016, 05:33:48 PM
Just today I washed carefully, cut-up, smashed with two sizes of potato mashers and added powdered sugar to about 250 strawberries.

Then I put in several cup and half size sealed containers and into freezer.  This was at Ochka's request and direction.  I don't like doing any of this type of stuff, but . . .
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: Larry1 on May 26, 2016, 06:14:08 PM
Yes these taste like real strawberries.  The way they all used to taste in our youth when mostly what you ate was grown by grandparents or other local folks.

We almost never buy strawberries, tomatoes or peaches from supermarkets.  They mostly taste like styrofoam (and don't ask me how I know what styrofoam tastes like).

Have you tried Plant City (FL) strawberries? They were better than what I could get at Publix.

There's a market here where the tomatoes are very good in late August and september.  The rest of the year they are nasty.

When I was a kid we got peaches that had been picked within the previous day or so. They were amazing. Now I've just about given up on buying peaches. As Jerry seinfeld said, "fruit is a gamble".
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: Anotherkiwi on May 26, 2016, 06:53:19 PM
Just today I washed carefully, cut-up, smashed with two sizes of potato mashers and added powdered sugar to about 250 strawberries.

Here we call it "icing sugar."  It's the staple topping for strawberries in this part of the world.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on May 26, 2016, 08:25:33 PM
Have you tried Plant City (FL) strawberries?

Never heard of it; but just now read some on Internet.

If they ship to supermarkets; don't know if they would be labeled as such.

Sounds good.  Can you send me some via email later in the year ?
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on May 29, 2016, 11:03:34 AM
Ochka worked hard here putting in fairly large garden before she left.

Now she is working hard weeding and other tasks in her parent's super humongous garden in Ukraine.

I asked her to not gain weight while at her parent's, as she usually does.

She said she would try . . . but I doubt it.
Her mother puts out food like they are recovering from a famine.

The up and down with weight is not healthy.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: jone on May 29, 2016, 11:23:31 AM
You wanna discuss your wife's weight on a forum?  You're a braver man than I am.  (Or maybe bravery has nothing to do with it.)
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: The Natural on May 29, 2016, 11:44:34 AM
You wanna discuss your wife's weight on a forum?  You're a braver man than I am.  (Or maybe bravery has nothing to do with it.)


Maybe he weighted in the pros and cons and decided to go for it?
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on May 30, 2016, 01:31:23 PM
OMG the strawberries just keep on coming.

In my previous picture, the basket was about 3/4 full.

Yesterday I picked and the basket was overflowing.  I gave several to a couple of neighbor families and ate some myself.

This was still left.  Took me three hours to wash, stem, mash, mix with powdered sugar, put in containers and into freezer.

I need my Ochka !!
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on May 30, 2016, 01:33:35 PM
Finally getting rain in western Ukraine the past two weeks or more; after a very dry earlier spring.

So Ochka and her family busy in the huge home garden pulling weeds, hilling up potatoes, etc.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on June 10, 2016, 11:25:25 AM
Ochka has been working as part-time Adjunct Instructor in calculus courses for two years now.

A full time position was funded for Fall 2016.  She applied along with 30 others.

She was selected as one of 3 finalists, and went through full interview process just before she left for Ukraine.

Notice came today that she was not selected.

She will be quite disappointed.

But actually I am glad she didn't get the position; and she knew my feelings about this all along.

A full time position with all the lecture preparations, class time, office hours, exam preparations, grading, etc., etc., would have meant we had very little time together 9 months of the year.

Actually, I wish she would not work at all; but I know that she wants to do something . . . probably just to get away from me for some hours each week !!!

Probably the biggest negative of not having full-time job is the health insurance.  The top plan we buy for her costs over $500 a month out of pocket.

I hope she will not become too depressed about this.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on June 14, 2016, 11:21:33 AM
The notification letter that she didn't get the full time job came in US Mail.

I didn't tell Ochka about it because didn't want to ruin any of her vacation time in Ukraine.

But a faculty member sent her an email of condolences . . . so she now knows . . . and is in bad mood.

Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: BillyB on June 14, 2016, 02:00:20 PM
so she now knows . . . and is in bad mood.


But what is important is that you're in a good mood over the results. We have to live with you for a few more months.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: Gator on June 14, 2016, 04:54:27 PM
The notification letter that she didn't get the full time job came in US Mail.

I didn't tell Ochka about it because didn't want to ruin any of her vacation time in Ukraine.

But a faculty member sent her an email of condolences . . . so she now knows . . . and is in bad mood.

This is a huge disappointment to Ochka.  It is now important to make sure she does not become discouraged.  Among other things, I suggest you promise that you will search for other opportunities. 
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on June 19, 2016, 01:23:09 PM
More on Ochka's teaching job situation.

Thursday, the Dept Chairman sent email to her asking if she were willing to teach 4 courses each semester as Adjunct Instructor and be eligible for benefits.  This is the same situation (course teaching load and benefits) that she would have gotten if she were selected for the Full time Instructor position that she didn't get.

(Currently she is Adjunct teaching 1 or 2 courses each semester with no benefits.  Previously when she inquired about lack of benefits . . . she was told that Adjuncts never get benefits.  So don't no quite how this new offer would include benefits.)

But with the Adjunct 'sticker' the pay is based on a 'per course flat rate' which adds up only to about 2/3 as much as the yearly contract for the Full time Instructor position.

So essentially he was saying she wasn't good enough to be hired for the higher paid full time job, yet she would end up teaching exactly same as the person who did get the higher paid full time job.

This is probably a sure fire age discrimination lawsuit . . . but even when the person wins . . . they lose . . . because of the subsequent working conditions they face.

The person they chose was 20 years younger than her.

Anyway, we talked at length about it.  I didn't want her to accept.  She thought if she didn't accept, she would have no chance in future for another FT position that might come available.  A lot of crying involved, so I finally relented.

We don't know exactly why she was not chosen, but 3 ideas:

1) Age . . . the Dept Chairman probably wants to minimize the number of times he has to go through the hiring process.  The younger the hire; the better the chance the replacement won't be needed for longer time period.  Of course there are hundreds of variables, but still.

2) Language skills.  Ochka is pretty good at English but, of course, she does have the accent.

3) Ochka isn't certain, but she thinks the person selected probably used a lot of computer graphics, etc., in his lecture presentation; whereas she gave a straight blackboard lecture presentation.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: HoundDaddyLee on June 19, 2016, 01:32:08 PM
ML,


Very sad to read this. The flashier presentation may have helped, but I firmly believe it was an age thing. I see it so much in my profession (software engineering). I posted on another thread about how companies would rather have 3 H1-B visa employees than one experienced engineer.


Good luck to you both,
HDL
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on June 19, 2016, 01:34:54 PM
In retrospect . . . I think we made a big mistake by Ochka choosing to pursue the Masters in Math when she finished the Intensive English Program.

Her original intent was to get a degree in business . . . probably an MBA, but it even better should have been a BS in accounting.

But, she made a big impression on a senior math professor when she sat in on one of his courses (just to get some experience in hearing lecture in English) when she was in the IEP program.  He pushed her masters application through and got her full tuition scholarship and pay as GTA without her even taking the GRE or any other entrance exam.

But, she should have taken the more expensive route of paying tuition to get degree in business or accounting.

Much more job opportunities at much higher pay with business and accounting.

Math people only make good money with defense contractors, etc., which mostly requires US citizenship AND there are no such jobs in our area.

But, on the other hand, with a non-teaching job, Ochka could never be able to go to Ukraine for a month in the summer as she needs to do.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: HoundDaddyLee on June 19, 2016, 01:43:07 PM
ML,


If she is good with math, I would recommend she pick up some programming knowledge. Good software people are rare and we are importing bad ones.  :)


HDL
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: LiveFromUkraine on June 19, 2016, 02:11:51 PM
A lot of crying involved, so I finally relented.


Dang, she sounds tough.   She got her way even after you cried.  No male tears for that woman.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: Boethius on June 19, 2016, 02:28:53 PM

I know a lot of academics, some from my days in grad school, and a few are retired law professors, including a former dean.  The academic world is pretty brutal,

Age is probably a factor, but so, would be academic qualifications.  Did the candidate selected get his degree elsewhere?  Universities usually want that for tenure track academics.  Does he have a PhD, or is he working on one?  That also is a consideration.  Has the candidate chosen published any academic papers?  Publication is often a big factor in academia.  Does it appear he has good social skills to schmooze potential donors?

If Ochka has benefits and enjoys what she is doing, this is probably a blessing.  Although she has less job security, she doesn't have many of the other responsibilities expected on the tenure track.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on June 19, 2016, 09:40:53 PM
Boe, the full time Instructor job was not tenure track and only required a masters degree.  They did have opening for tenure track assistant professor also which required PhD.

The young man selected had just finished his masters degree at this same school, where Ochka got her masters 2 years ago.  Neither he or Ochka has any publications accepted or even submitted, and they probably never will.  He was the GTA for a hugely popular (with students) professor and probably picked up a lot of similar skills by working with that guy.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on June 20, 2016, 11:14:47 PM
Warning to all you guys looking for FSU gals.

They really tend to 'fall apart' after age 40.

Ochka will be back on Saturday, and I will just have to put up with her looks.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: onlyFSU4me on June 20, 2016, 11:27:31 PM
You poor soul! I feel soooooo sorry for you!    ;)
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on June 21, 2016, 05:14:30 PM
Today, Ochka flew from Kyiv to Dublin via Paris.

She will be in Dublin a few days to visit with a relative and two other couples from Ukraine.

Also, she will have a 'look-see' at the townhouse we bought a couple of years back.  It has been rented now for two years to the same family with no problems in rent payment, etc.

A big PIA was going through customs in Dublin.  She said there were 10 booths serving persons from EU and only 2 for non-EU.  Despite several of the EU lines being nearly empty, they did not switch people from the 2 very long non-EU lines to those empty lines.

She reminded how Kyiv is great now for incoming because if lines get too long, they quickly open up new lines.

It was around 85 in Ukraine for many days, but it Ireland it is 68, and the people there said: "It is pretty warm here."
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on June 24, 2016, 09:34:18 PM
Ochka is safely back in our home.

Jet lag is bothering her more than for previous trips.

Real estate market in Ireland is starting to show some improvement, but many bargains still seem to exist with townhouses, etc., that never were finished out before the bust hit.

We may think of buying some more, and Ochka's relative will finish out on profit sharing basis.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on June 26, 2016, 11:08:32 AM
Well maybe not so many remaining bargains in Ireland as I thought.

Our townhouse has increased in value about 30% in the three or so years since we bought it near the market bottom.

However, if we were to sell, we would lose a lot of that due to decrease in Euro compared to dollar.  That is if we converted to dollars.  Then there would be the taxes. 

Maybe we would wait until President Trump gave us amnesty to bring the dollars back tax free!!

Ochka's new apartment near US Embassy in Kyiv has also seen about 30% appreciation in about 2 years.  This is before factoring in any bombing damage from a further Russian invasion.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: Gator on June 26, 2016, 11:26:11 AM
Warning to all you guys looking for FSU gals.

They really tend to 'fall apart' after age 40.

Ochka will be back on Saturday, and I will just have to put up with her looks.

I imagine you are more than ready for Saturday!
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on June 26, 2016, 02:20:33 PM
I imagine you are more than ready for Saturday!

Yes, and that was yesterday.  Actually she came in 4 hours early Friday night.  Was able to get on an earlier flight at the transfer point.

Saturday indeed was a memorable day for us !!!

Jet lag is hitting her today, but not too bad.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on June 28, 2016, 04:59:37 PM
Girl on windy east coast of Ireland.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: Gator on June 28, 2016, 07:41:33 PM
Lovely.

I am so happy that her complexion problems cleared.  LOL
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on July 05, 2016, 03:37:12 PM
Many guys here are frequently stating there are no desirable women in USA.

Well, that is simply not true as shown in the attached pictures.

We were at a picnic on Saturday and talked with a band conductor.  I told him we would attend his concert at noon on the 4th.  We do go every year.

Well, it was raining pretty steady, but I had told him we would be there . . . and Ochka really likes these events . . . so we attended . . . along with about 20 other persons.  Typically there are 300 or so at this annual event.

And, Ochka tried to sing along with most of the patriotic USA songs, so I was pretty proud of her efforts.  We had hand-out sheets with the words.  First time she had done such, so seems some change of heart, but not a big deal with me one way or the other.

Near the end, they play the various military theme songs and ask those who served in those branches to stand up along with their family members when their song was played.  I was U S Navy.

Ochka smiled and asked me if she should stand for relatives who served in various branches of the Soviet military.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on July 24, 2016, 04:25:17 PM
Hot as he!! here Saturday.
So off to the lake in mountains.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on August 29, 2016, 09:19:44 AM
A group of us met yesterday to celebrate (late) Ukrainian Independence Day.

12 people born in Ukraine who are either professors or students here at the university plus 5 of their children who are US citizens (having been born here), plus me and another husband who was born in France.

The Frenchman (who speaks good English) and I talked together a lot so that the others could converse in their native language.

This group would do great damage to the stereotype held here regarding the women as, except for Ochka and one other gal, they were not pretty and not slender.

But everyone was highly intelligent, as would be expected given their status;  and very nice people, except for one guy.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on September 08, 2016, 08:38:17 PM
Today, Ochka and I left the house in two vehicles to exercise on a walking rail-trail and then to breakfast.

She then drove to university to teach some classes, while I did some errands, grocery shopping, etc.

Back at home, I stopped at road to get newspaper and check mailbox.  But it was early for mail, so none there as I expected.  It's Ochka's job to get the mail when she comes home in late afternoon.

She came into house.  I said, 'what was in the mail?'
She, 'I never checked because I thought you would get it.'
Me, 'But you knew it was probably too early for mail by the time I came home.'
She, 'Well I thought about checking, but decided I wouldn't.'
Me, 'That wasn't very logical, what would it have hurt to at least check, even if I had already gotten it.'

This conversation went back and forth like this a few more times, without getting overheated.

Finally . . . .

She, 'Ok, well you like having a blonde wife, so I am just giving the entire program.'

Love this woman.

- - - - - -

Note:  Our house in down in woods about a quarter mile off the road, so not simple to just make a quick trip out the door to check the mail.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: Gator on September 08, 2016, 09:36:18 PM
Love this woman.

She is clever. 

Quote
Note:  Our house in down in woods about a quarter mile off the road, so not simple to just make a quick trip out the door to check the mail.

The mail will be there tomorrow.  So you can wait a day before throwing out election mailings, blind ads, credit card invitations, ..... 
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on September 12, 2016, 08:19:48 AM
Ochka's Differential Equations class.

Can you solve for Y ?
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: alex330 on September 12, 2016, 09:12:46 AM
She, 'Ok, well you like having a blonde wife, so I am just giving the entire program.'


LOL, sounds like my wife when she is taking too long to get ready or we are running late. "Well, you chose x,y,z so that is what you get"
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: BillyB on September 12, 2016, 09:16:57 AM

ML, are you the student that is taking the photo from the back of the class? Is the teacher so intimidating that you don't want a seat in the front row?
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on September 12, 2016, 11:36:58 AM
ML, are you the student that is taking the photo from the back of the class? Is the teacher so intimidating that you don't want a seat in the front row?

Actually, these photos are frames taken from a film clip.
The university filmed some classes for promotional purposes.  So a professional photographer took.

I am actually afraid to even go into the classroom !!
The formulas make my head spin.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on September 19, 2016, 08:51:40 AM
Had a picnic here Friday evening for Ochka's colleagues in department of math. Close to 40 people attended.  Ochka really likes playing the hostess; but man was it a lot of  work for me getting the deck, patio, lights, torches, tables, chairs, yard, etc. ready.  She didn't help much in the days leading up to it because of her class preparations, and she gave exams also meaning a lot of grading time.

Anyway, it was worth it to see Ochka so glowing and happy interacting with her friends.  The math department is really international with people from around 12 different countries.  Many of them were award winners or high placement in international math competitions during their high school days, etc.  And most had the required beards . . . the men that is.

Now that I have so much of the 'facilities' in place we decided to go ahead and host a second picnic this Friday evening for another group, which are mostly from my side of the friendship circle.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: mhr7 on September 19, 2016, 09:19:37 AM
Ochka's Differential Equations class.

Can you solve for Y ?
Mine teaches the same, and computer science.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on September 19, 2016, 07:24:13 PM
Among the math people at our picnic was a young couple who just got married in the summer.

He had been here already 4 years after getting his PhD in a midwestern  state.

I asked his gal if she were from that same state.

She said No;  and then without any other comments from me she went on to say:  We met on an online dating site.  She lived one state away from here.

Most of those in attendance heard her words;  and I heard one person say:  That is the modern way.  And then another agreed.

I was rather surprised at her boldness; but maybe this internet stuff has gone further than I thought.

Anyway, this AW gal would fit right in with what most here are looking for looks wise:  She was about 5 feet 7 or 8 inches, 115-120 pounds or so, B cup, natural blonde hair down to shoulders, 25 years in age or so.  9 in body, 8 in face although maybe higher, but the lighting was not too good where we were talking.  Appeared to be a very pleasant, congenial smiling gal.

He is only about 5 foot 9, slender and mid to late 20s.

Didn't hear anything about her education, but she is  already working here in this city.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: BillyB on September 19, 2016, 09:19:48 PM
She said No;  and then without any other comments from me she went on to say:  We met on an online dating site.  She lived one state away from here.

Most of those in attendance heard her words;  and I heard one person say:  That is the modern way.  And then another agreed.

I was rather surprised at her boldness; but maybe this internet stuff has gone further than I thought.


Say it loud and say it proud. Finding love with the help of a computer is the modern way. Been there, done that. Now I just got to figure out how my computer can get me get a million dollars.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on September 26, 2016, 10:23:03 AM
Had our second Friday evening picnic here last Friday.

Then, I had to spend all day Sunday carrying tables, chairs, lights, torches, grills, etc., to lower garage and basement.  Couldn't believe how many trips I had to make.

Ochka, meanwhile, dug the remaining potatoes in her garden.  I tried to help, but she ran me off after I punctured too many with the potato fork. She got 7 five gallon buckets full this year compared to 2 last year.  And last year the two lasted until first of new year, as she has told me several times.  So  seems we will be having a lot of potatoes.

A little bit of a 'situation' developed with Ochka and her parents . . . and maybe me.

She was innocently telling them how she was grating zucchinis and yellow squash, making them into pancakes, and taking that to university with her for lunch along with her cucumbers, radishes, tomatoes, etc.  She loves it . . . while I eat such sometimes for lunch.

Anyway . . . her parents are taking it like this is all she is able to afford to eat . . . and that is MY problem . . . because maybe I am taking all her salary money.  In fact, she is banking all of her salary in a separate account (this is what I insisted) and I am paying all bills.

Pretty silly as they know she has a lot of her own money even before any salary AND this is what they eat also.

She tried to clear it all up with them . . . but once the idea is in place . . .

Also, some of Ochka's friends are asking her why she is working so hard to take care of a garden . . . because she is now in the land of plenty . . . and her husband is supposed to be supporting her in a high lifestyle.

However, this whole garden 'thingy' is Ochka's desire, not mine.

Ochka tells me that she would like to tell these 'friends' that maybe this is the reason she is here and they aren't.  i.e. that they are lazy persons who weren't willing to be adventurous (and risky) like her to move to a better country, to advance her education, and to continue to do hard physical work.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: Gator on September 26, 2016, 03:17:15 PM


Ochka tells me that she would like to tell these 'friends' that maybe this is the reason she is here and they aren't.  i.e. that they are lazy persons who weren't willing to be adventurous (and risky) like her to move to a better country, to advance her education, and to continue to do hard physical work. have the free time to pursue her favorite hobbies, one of which is great exercise to stay in shape for her sexy husband.   ;D

Three cheers for Ochka

 :clapping:  :clapping:    :clapping:
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on September 26, 2016, 04:04:48 PM
Thanks for the cheers for Ochka.

But, Oh My !! . . .  Sexy husband ??

Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: Larry1 on September 26, 2016, 04:18:43 PM
Thanks for the cheers for Ochka.

But, Oh My !! . . .  Sexy husband ??

Are you accusing Ochka of bigamy?  :o

Only joking. You've got the great Tom selleck/Harry Reams 'stache going.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: alex330 on September 26, 2016, 06:38:35 PM
Ochka tells me that she would like to tell these 'friends' that maybe this is the reason she is here and they aren't.  i.e. that they are lazy persons who weren't willing to be adventurous (and risky) like her to move to a better country, to advance her education, and to continue to do hard physical work.


That's the common denominator among the women we know. More adventurous, more open to risk, or more of a go getter. They want more out of life and they make the leap.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on October 16, 2016, 11:55:49 AM
Went to an OctoberFest yesterday afternoon/evening.

Guess which woman Donald would not have chosen ?
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: Larry1 on October 16, 2016, 12:05:47 PM
Went to an OctoberFest yesterday afternoon/evening.

Guess which woman Donald would not have chosen ?

The one on the right, facing away from the camera
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: Boethius on October 16, 2016, 02:59:48 PM
He would not have chosen either.  One is too large.  The other is over 35, the "expiration date" of a woman, according to Trump.


BTW, nice photo. :)
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: Anotherkiwi on October 16, 2016, 05:57:24 PM
He would not have chosen either.  One is too large.  The other is over 35, the "expiration date" of a woman, according to Trump.


BTW, nice photo. :)

Now, where's that "Like" button gone?  :D
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on October 17, 2016, 10:07:26 AM
As shown in the new thread by hiii98, the situation of the city size she comes from and the city size you live in is a consideration.

Boe says that those truly in love don't care where they live.  But I think that level of love is fairly rare.
And even if there is true love, something like this can nag or grate on a person so much constantly that it will wear true love down.

Also, in the typical scenario followed by those involved in international romances . . . true love will rarely exist for quite some time.  The best that most can hope for is that the two are compatible and true love may develop over time. 

Given that . . . irritations related to city size and imagined missed pleasures and opportunities could doom even the most compatible (not yet in love) couples.

My spouse and I are quite lucky in that we both were raised in small towns, later lived in large cities, and now could probably live together in any sized town.

I talked with her just last night about this to get a refresher on her ideas.  She noted that (because we live in a university city . . . small city [30,000 permanent citizens] . . . large university [31,000 students]) there are actually just as many things to do here as in cities of a million or so population.  If desired we could go to a musical, theatrical, dance, intellectual presentation, sporting event, etc., almost every day of the year.

Example:  This afternoon there is a presentation by a medical researcher on the aging process (not that I am aging) and tonight there is a presentation by university orchestra conducted by a doctoral candidate, tomorrow there is an economic conference presented by Federal Reserve at 8:00 AM and a presentation regarding Brexit at 4 PM featuring a Swiss government official.  Wednesday is a recital program of woodwind instruments, Friday is concert by State Orchestra, Saturday we go to monthly wine tasting club affair, etc., etc.

Also we have a rather large garden that needs cleaned up of vegetation and prepared for winter.  Saturday morning we went over to a nearby farm and loaded up a pickup with cow manure.  I only slightly knew the guy who was in mid 50s.  When he saw Ochka outworking me with the pitchfork he said . . . Where on earth did you find that woman!!!  Lest he thought I was abusing her, I had to quickly tell that this whole garden thing . . . and the insistence on manure was strictly her idea . . . and she readily backed me up on that.

And, of course, he really took to her and wanted to show her calves, tractors, etc, etc.  We barely escaped.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: Faux Pas on October 17, 2016, 02:08:11 PM
He would not have chosen either.  One is too large.  The other is over 35, the "expiration date" of a woman, according to Trump.


BTW, nice photo. :)

The math doesn't add up. Melania is 46 and they've been married 11 years. Why would The Donald marry a woman who's expiration date had clearly passed?
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: Anotherkiwi on October 17, 2016, 05:44:09 PM
The math doesn't add up. Melania is 46 and they've been married 11 years. Why would The Donald marry a woman who's expiration date had clearly passed?

Presumably because she was rather younger than 35 when they met...and he lied again.  ;D
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: Faux Pas on October 17, 2016, 08:36:14 PM
Presumably because she was rather younger than 35 when they met...and he lied again.  ;D

According to Boe Melania was expired like a carton of milk and spoiled milk just isn't acceptable for The Donald. Spoiled going on 11 years now  :D
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: Larry1 on October 17, 2016, 08:53:24 PM
Presumably because she was rather younger than 35 when they met...and he lied again.  ;D

What was his lie?
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: Boethius on October 17, 2016, 09:04:57 PM
According to Boe Melania was expired like a carton of milk and spoiled milk just isn't acceptable for The Donald. Spoiled going on 11 years now  :D

Maybe that's why he gropes younger women. Plus, Melania has had an awful lot of surgery/Botox to look younger.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: Anotherkiwi on October 18, 2016, 05:50:20 PM
What was his lie?

That all women's "use by" or "best before" date is their 35th birthday.  ;D
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: BillyB on October 18, 2016, 06:21:27 PM
That all women's "use by" or "best before" date is their 35th birthday.  ;D

One should not throw away women when they expire. When a woman reaches 36 years old, you trade her in for two 18 year olds.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: Anotherkiwi on October 18, 2016, 06:27:04 PM
One should not throw away women when they expire. When a woman reaches 36 years old, you trade her in for two 18 year olds.

Mary Kate 'n' Ashley?  ;D  They would have been about the right age back then.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on October 26, 2016, 09:42:35 AM
We went to wine tasting party on weekend.

There were 3 couples there living together unmarried.

One woman proudly told me . . . we are progressives.

I agree it's a good idea to stay unmarried, if no considerations suggest otherwise.

But there are many considerations . . . taxes, children, death benefits, etc., that point toward marriage.  And in the case for most here; the immigration status is a major determining factor.

On another note, of the 12 or so women there, only one was not slender.  Most were in their 30s, as I estimated, and all worked at the University.  Who would have guessed this (slender) for a group of AW ?

Oh I just remembered there was one fairly chunky gal there.  She was a visiting professor from Cuba.  Flawless English and very personable.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: BillyB on October 26, 2016, 10:20:39 AM
One woman proudly told me . . . we are progressives.


I've met a few women who say they don't care about marriage but deep down they're hoping a man proposes.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: Anotherkiwi on October 26, 2016, 05:20:22 PM
I've met a few women who say they don't care about marriage but deep down they're hoping a man proposes.

True.  My "sort of" sister-in-law has been waiting for at least 15 years!  :'(
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on October 27, 2016, 03:51:58 PM
We have been invited to (adult) Halloween party Saturday night.

I ordered and just received today two masks. 
One of Donald and one of Hillary that we will wear.

I am going to come up with a set of jokes we can tell.

Example: 

Me (as Donald)  "I will make America great again."

Ochka (as Hillary)  "When I am elected I will make America great again . . . by expelling you to Canada."

Anyone have further ideas on this ?
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: BillyB on October 27, 2016, 10:19:44 PM
Anyone have further ideas on this ?


It's an adult party so check this out. Remember the leaked recording of Donald saying he wanted to grab pussy? Those were words but you can turn that to action. Ochka should wear the Donald mask. Sometime during the party she yells "I want to grab pussy!". Then she grabs you! Of course you'd be wearing the Hillary mask so nobody assumes you're an actual pussy.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: Gator on October 28, 2016, 07:36:42 AM
It's an adult party so check this out. Remember the leaked recording of Donald saying he wanted to grab pussy? Those were words but you can turn that to action. Ochka should wear the Donald mask. Sometime during the party she yells "I want to grab pussy!". Then she grabs you! Of course you'd be wearing the Hillary mask so nobody assumes you're an actual pussy.

A variant of this idea.

Ochka dresses like Hillary and holds in her hand a large envelope:

(http://www.jampaper.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/ManillaClaspEnvelopes-e1381513779842.jpg)



On the envelope are the words:

ACTUAL PHOTO OF TRUMP GRABBING A PUSSY



Inside the envelope is the following photo (not to be shown to your professor friends)












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Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on October 30, 2016, 11:28:56 AM
Thanks Billy and Gator for your suggestions.

Ochka and I were able to come up with a few humorous bits to tell.  They went over pretty well.

Our masks were a pretty big hit also.

I hated to blur out the face of a gal who attended as she was quite beautiful in face, even as she was only about 5 foot tall.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: Chicagoguy on October 31, 2016, 10:58:17 AM
My wife had never been married and had never wanted to. Did not like Russian men. At age 50 a friend said just for fun let us check out a web page. As a lark she wrote on my profile. Now married 7 years. She had never in her life paid any attention to U.S. And now she is a citizen.   ;D
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on December 12, 2016, 02:26:07 PM
Final exam time here at university.
I am working (unpaid) as GTA grader for Ochka's sections  of Differential Equations.
Of course I don't know much about it, but . . .
I look for the 3-4 key equations that are developed in solving, and if they are all there, I  assign the  full 10 points or so for that question.
If anything is missing, that person's exam goes into another pile where Ochka grades with partial credit.

And I  get the very important job of entering scores into  spreadsheet, totaling up columns to determine total points earned for class for each student, dividing by total possible to get percentage, etc.  Do some statistical work to find mean, standard deviation, etc.  This work I can do.

We will be busy at least through Wednesday.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: Gator on December 12, 2016, 02:51:00 PM


We will be busy at least through Wednesday.

With only 17  students to grade?

I had the opportunity to use my higher math education.  In my younger professional years, I worked on a project in which I had to predict the time based overflow from a combined sewer (stormwater and poop) for an EPA water quality research project.  Triple integral calculus.  I gave my work to the project manager.  He had trouble telling right side up, so he took my work to a Chinese PhD.  An hour later, he came back and said well done.  The next phase of the project was not funded, so I never confirmed with real sampling data whether my prediction was correct. 

The work was published, and I may have a copy in the catacombs. 

Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on December 12, 2016, 03:03:37 PM
With only 17  students to grade?

Where did you get the 17?

Actual number is just over 100.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on December 22, 2016, 09:07:33 PM
First met 12 1/2 years ago in Ukraine.

Renewed acquaintance 6 1/2 years ago in Ukraine

Living together full time 5 1/2 years in USA.

Two year anniversary of marriage today.

I was all set to change status on profile here to > 2 years; but there is no such option !!

- - - - - - -

Walked 3 miles in morning.
Breakfast at Burger King.
$5.00 coupon gets you 2 sausage, egg, cheese croissants, 2 orders of tater tots, 2 coffees.
$1.00 coupon gets you 5 pieces of French Toast.
Probably no more than 4,000 calories for each person.

I thought that would be enough for anniversary meal, but Ochka nixed that.

So in late afternoon, off to Italian restaurant.

I presented her with gold herringbone necklace just before we left.

In evening, we watched Borat movie at home.
Ochka got a kick out of most of it.
I had seen it before, several years ago.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: Larry1 on December 22, 2016, 09:16:41 PM
Happy anniversary to you and Mrs. ML
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: calmissile on December 23, 2016, 12:14:58 AM
Happy Anniversary to you and Ochka.  I didn't realize we were ahead of you in anniversaries.  But you do have many years ahead of us in being together.  :)

Many more to come.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: wallm on December 23, 2016, 06:46:54 AM
She must be an angel to tolerate being married to someone who wears an untucked shirt with a jacket.  ;D

Congratulations.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: Gator on December 23, 2016, 07:21:51 AM


Two year anniversary of marriage today.


 :applause:
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: BillyB on December 24, 2016, 11:04:56 AM
Breakfast at Burger King.
$5.00 coupon gets you 2 sausage, egg, cheese croissants, 2 orders of tater tots, 2 coffees.


Congratulations on getting that coupon! I got that in the mail too and it's a very good deal.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: HoundDaddyLee on December 24, 2016, 12:31:57 PM
Congratulations ML! But can you pass one of her differential equations exams?  :D


Here's to many more years of happiness.


HDL
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: msmob on December 24, 2016, 02:02:57 PM
Always pleased to read of happiness in this mad endeavour ;)
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: Boethius on December 28, 2016, 06:21:58 PM
Belated congratulations ML. 
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on January 09, 2017, 01:03:09 PM
1) In Ukraine kutia is an essential dish at the Ukrainian Christmas Eve Supper (also known as Sviata Vecheria or Svyata Vecherya).

The main ingredients used to make traditional kutia are: wheatberries, poppy seeds and honey. At times, walnuts, dried fruit and raisins are added as well. Kutia is a Lenten dish and no milk or egg products can be used. There are known kutia recipes that use pearl barley or rice instead of wheatberries.

Kutia, as a part of Ukrainian Christmas Eve Supper, is used in a number of rituals performed on the night. Kutia is the first out of twelve dishes served for Sviata Vecheria to be tasted. Everyone present must have at least a spoonful of kutia.

2) Pyrizhki with apples or cherries inside.

3) Ukrainian Poppy Seed Roll Makovyi Knysh.
http://www.food.com/recipe/ukrainian-christmas-poppy-seed-roll-makovyi-knysh-194485

4) Deviled eggs; one of my favorites.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on January 15, 2017, 09:43:36 PM
We watched Golden Globes and was intrigued by La La Land.

Ochka has extra day off, so we decided to go see this movie.

Pretty interesting and enjoyable to watch . . .  until near the end.

They did sort of a screwball ending, which degraded the movie, in my opinion.

Ochka accepted the twist better than I did, and she more quickly understood it was to hint at what might have been.

I can only give it a C+ rating because of the ending; although I understand it stands a good chance of an Oscar also.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on January 22, 2017, 10:55:26 AM
Jared’s maternal grandfather was Morris/Moishe Raphael ben Yehoshua Stadtmauer (the son of Oscar Yehoshua Stadtmauer and Sophie Wolf). Morris was born in New York, to Polish Jewish parents. Oscar was the son of David Stadtmauer, who was born in Pidhaitsi, Ternopil’s’ka oblast, Ukraine, and of Basia Golda Zimmerman, who was born in Radymno, Jarosław County, Poland.

Ochka's parents were the first to bring this to our attention.
It is big news in the parents' area which is close to Ternopilska oblast.

Jared is apparently behind the push to bring Israel back to near the forefront of our support, compared to Obama years.

Let's hope that he will do the same for Ukraine.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on January 22, 2017, 11:29:45 AM
Lara Yunaska Trump’s paternal grandfather was Luke Max Yunaska (the son of Jozef/Joseph Yunaska and Suzanna/Susan Hanko). Jozef was Hungarian. Suzanna was reportedly born in Czechoslovakia.

Galya says most all names ending in 'ko' are ethnic Ukrainian.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on January 22, 2017, 11:35:45 AM
Vanessa best looking of the Trump women.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: Larry1 on January 22, 2017, 11:45:13 AM
I think Melania is the most beautiful Trump, followed by Ivanka.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on January 22, 2017, 11:49:21 AM
I think Melania is the most beautiful Trump, followed by Ivanka.

Well, you are just wrong !!  :-))

OK, let's just focus on facial beauty.

In that regard,  none can hold a candle to Vanessa.

But if you want to talk about beautiful shape . . . then it would be hard to vote against any of them.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: BillyB on January 22, 2017, 06:16:01 PM

ML, you're a little off topic here but I'll play.  You and Larry must be smoking crack cocaine. Ivanka is #1.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on January 26, 2017, 09:11:30 PM
We went to university women's basketball game Wednesday evening.

Was very pleased to note that about half the gals on the opposing team wore actual shorts . . .  not short shorts, but the mid to upper thigh style.

For years now we have had to put up with the totally ridiculous look of the 'trousers' that hit just below the knee.  As silly as they look, they must be even more uncomfortable when the legs are constantly in motion.

So hope this becomes a trend that sweeps the nation.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: Larry1 on January 26, 2017, 10:11:08 PM
We went to university women's basketball game Wednesday evening.

Was very pleased to note that about half the gals on the opposing team wore actual shorts . . .  not short shorts, but the mid to upper thigh style.

For years now we have had to put up with the totally ridiculous look of the 'trousers' that hit just below the knee.  As silly as they look, they must be even more uncomfortable when the legs are constantly in motion.

So hope this becomes a trend that sweeps the nation.

The style for "shorts" down below the knees is said to have originated in prison, then to have made its way to the ghetto, then naturally to basketball.

Glad to see some objections to this fashion.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on February 26, 2017, 11:13:11 AM
http://www.kyivpost.com/lifestyle/romantic-drama-movie-ukraines-famine-holodomor-hits-theaters.html

“Bitter Harvest,” a romantic-drama movie about the famine Holodomor that killed millions of Ukrainians in the 1930s, comes to cinemas in Ukraine and abroad on Feb. 23-24.

The movie directed by George Mendeluk, a German-born Canadian film director, tells a love story of two villagers caught in the ravages of Joseph Stalin’s genocidal policies against the Ukrainian people. The estimated number of people in Ukraine who starved to death in 1932-1933 varies from 2 million to 10 million people.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: Gator on February 26, 2017, 12:35:19 PM
In Tampa a couple of ads promoting the film have appeared on TV, yet the film is playing at only one theater.  As of two days ago, Rotten Tomatoes had no reviews. 
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: calmissile on February 26, 2017, 07:23:28 PM
Looks like it is playing in Riverside and Anaheim but not Redlands yet.  Will keep an eye out.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on March 13, 2017, 01:09:48 PM
Wifey was on Spring Break for a week.
We got a lot of yard work and garden cleaning done until weather turned too cold, and had a good time in general.
She has amazing amount of energy.
Now she is back to her University teaching and I am not liking it.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on April 15, 2017, 04:21:07 PM
We have been keeping extremely busy in garden last week and have been very tired - - - too tired even for sex.

We still need to do more work, but I remembered prohibition on certain days.
I asked Ochka if we could work tomorrow, Easter, and she said, No.
I asked if we could have sex.
She said, Yes; but said actually we could not have had it last week because of Lent.  Don't remember that last years.
But anyway, it worked out fine as we were too tired anyway.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: BillyB on April 16, 2017, 09:15:53 PM
We have been keeping extremely busy in garden last week and have been very tired - - - too tired even for sex.


I've got a difficult life too. I go to work 8 hours a day. When I come home, the wife makes me work another 8 hours. When I go to bed, the wife makes me work another 8 hours.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on May 20, 2017, 09:13:23 AM
April picture shows Strawberry patch with lots of blooms.
Today's harvest of Strawberries.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on May 29, 2017, 10:23:41 PM
Wifey left me today.
She does this every year.
A month in Ukraine.
Hope she comes back.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: BillyB on May 31, 2017, 08:53:06 PM

Me wife is leaving too in July.
I have to stay and work.
Somebody has to pay for her vacation in Ukraine.
Hope she comes back.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on June 10, 2017, 01:36:54 PM
Wife gone nearly two weeks now.
That is about my limit for no sex.
Anyone here available, female . . . or very cute young man?
You won't even have to pay me; at least the first time.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on June 10, 2017, 09:41:13 PM
Wifey due to pick up her new Ukrainian Biometric passport on Wednesday or so.

Then we can go visit her cousin in Italy and spend all winter with Sandro at his home.
He doesn't know this yet.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: SANDRO43 on June 11, 2017, 07:26:27 AM
Then we can go visit her cousin in Italy and spend all winter with Sandro at his home.
My balcony is at your disposal ;D. Bring warm clothing and a pup tent.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on June 11, 2017, 10:03:47 PM
Sandro, we won't be bringing a pup or a kitten, so won't need the tent.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on June 15, 2017, 03:29:03 PM
http://www.kyivpost.com/ukraine-politics/ukraine-says-blast-near-us-embassy-kyiv-terrorism-us-disagrees.html

The apartment we bought and finished out in 2014-15 is two buildings down from US Embassy in Kyiv.

Before purchase, Ochka opined that it's location would insure its safety.
I told her my idea would be the opposite.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on June 17, 2017, 10:03:09 PM
Best wishes to all you who are Fathers.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: Anotherkiwi on June 17, 2017, 10:06:44 PM
Best wishes to all you who are Fathers.

I'll bookmark that for September when we have Father's Day...
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: calmissile on June 18, 2017, 02:01:50 PM
Larissa and Lisa are in Kiev now for 6 week vacation.  Both need to get new passports.  Wife said the waiting time for new passports is very long.  What did your wife experience as to waiting time?

Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on June 18, 2017, 04:26:23 PM
Doug, it only costs something like $10 extra to get a quick appointment.  Don't know exact details, but must be easy to find out about and do since my wife did it.
Also, I think for something like another $10, you get the new passport in less than a week.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on June 18, 2017, 04:48:52 PM
Doug, LAman posted the below in another thread.  Sounds about like what my wife said.

Passport cost-577uah
Expedited(10 day)- 213uah
Service center( faster lines, open longer)-400uah
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: calmissile on June 18, 2017, 08:00:04 PM
Thanks, I will pass the info along to her.

She is also having to fight the Russian Government in Crimea trying to re-register her apartment in Yalta.  She said it is a mess and the locals try everything they can to take the property away from Ukrainians and register it to themselves.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on June 18, 2017, 10:18:59 PM
She is also having to fight the Russian Government in Crimea trying to re-register her apartment in Yalta.  She said it is a mess and the locals try everything they can to take the property away from Ukrainians and register it to themselves.

Yes, I had known that was going to happen from the very beginning.
Remember several months or even more than an year ago I suggested she try to sell as soon as possible.
Any price now will be more than zero in the future.
Same goes for Wayne and others.

I know at very beginning, there was a lot of it concerning small businesses that were illegally taken over by Russians who subsequently gained legal ownership.

Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: calmissile on June 18, 2017, 10:48:43 PM
Women don't always listen to the advice from their husbands.    ;D
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: Wayne on June 19, 2017, 07:40:37 AM
There could be a problem if Larrisa does not have Russian citizenship and owns property in Crimea. She could lose it!
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: calmissile on June 19, 2017, 10:25:38 AM
There could be a problem if Larrisa does not have Russian citizenship and owns property in Crimea. She could lose it!

Yes, that is the issue.  That is what she is worried about and trying to jump through all the hoops to get the apartment re-registered.   She is Ukrainian, not Russian.  Another reason to dislike Putin!
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: Wayne on June 19, 2017, 10:54:03 AM
Another thing is the value of her property in US dollars could have gone down. If selling, the buyer would probably need to be Russian.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on June 21, 2017, 02:25:26 PM
OMG Donald . . . how could you do this.

It has been reported that during meeting with Poroshenko, Donald referred to 'the Ukraine.'

This the last straw for me !!!!!!!
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on June 25, 2017, 09:40:33 AM
My spouse will be back in two more days.
Good thing; because my hand lotion container is almost empty.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: msmob on June 25, 2017, 10:45:42 AM
My spouse will be back in two more days.
Good thing; because my hand lotion container is almost empty.

Curmudgeon mode, endeth ?! ...
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: jone on June 25, 2017, 12:04:44 PM
My spouse will be back in two more days.
Good thing; because my hand lotion container is almost empty.

Oh, great.  She'll love your soft hands.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on June 26, 2017, 12:24:02 PM
Global Warming: Advantages and Disadvantages. The heat in Arizona has allowed people to cook full meals including pies by putting them on the dashboard of their cars. Savings of gas and electricity. On the other hand, mailboxes and street signs are also melting.

http://www.accuweather.com/en/weather-news/its-so-hot-in-arizona-that-street-signs-and-mailboxes-are-melting/70002032
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: HoundDaddyLee on June 26, 2017, 12:49:46 PM
Global Warming: Advantages and Disadvantages. The heat in Arizona has allowed people to cook full meals including pies by putting them on the dashboard of their cars. Savings of gas and electricity. On the other hand, mailboxes and street signs are also melting.

http://www.accuweather.com/en/weather-news/its-so-hot-in-arizona-that-street-signs-and-mailboxes-are-melting/70002032 (http://www.accuweather.com/en/weather-news/its-so-hot-in-arizona-that-street-signs-and-mailboxes-are-melting/70002032)


Shocking, it is hot in the Desert in the summer. And this just in, it will be colder than a witches tit in Upstate New York next February.  :P


HDL
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on June 26, 2017, 01:27:11 PM
Ukrainian Student wins Gold Medal at Genius Competition

http://www.kyivpost.com/lifestyle/ukrainian-student-wins-gold-genius-olympiad-us.html
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on June 26, 2017, 10:16:06 PM
Ochka on plane now in Kyiv headed for intermediate stop in Frankfurt. 
She wasn't sure if she would come back or not, so she just tossed a coin.
Won't arrive in our town until near midnight Tues. 
I have been busy doing laundry and trying to pick up mess that I let pile up over last 4 weeks.  Don't want to get a spanking for not proper care of house.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: msmob on June 26, 2017, 11:37:05 PM
Don't want to get a spanking for not proper care of house.

Are you sure about that ? ......
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: BdHvA on June 27, 2017, 12:59:34 PM
Are you sure about that ? ......

You are looking at this from the wrong perspective - you need to give her a spanking for being away for so long.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: msmob on June 27, 2017, 09:03:07 PM
:)))

Well, the 'good news' is something is distracting ML from posting ....
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on July 06, 2017, 10:43:55 PM
Today, just for fun, I took Ochka to an Estate Auction that was nearby.

Was just planning to show her the atmosphere . . .

but she fell in love with a very extensive China set.  It had 12 place settings of everything imaginable, plus all the special pieces.  112 pieces I think.

It was quite exquisite, I did admit.
The auctioneer showed original purchase document showing price of $699.00 paid about 32 years ago.

Luckily, there weren't many interested, so I was the winning bidder at $225.00.

She has been happy as a lark all afternoon and evening, washing and placing in our China cabinet.

However, I already had two (less extensive) China sets there, so now what to do with them.
I suggested giving away to some younger folks we know from Ukraine, but Ochka said that it was in very bad taste to give used items.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: LAman on July 07, 2017, 12:49:01 AM


However, I already had two (less extensive) China sets there, so now what to do with them.
I suggested giving away to some younger folks we know from Ukraine, but Ochka said that it was in very bad taste to give used items.

Yes ML, much better to BUY used items.....such as extensive china sets??? ))) or even less extensive china sets
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: Boethius on July 07, 2017, 08:38:30 AM
It cost less than a really nice dinner out (with a good bottle of wine), and made his wife happy.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: BdHvA on July 07, 2017, 08:44:46 AM
Today, just for fun, I took Ochka to an Estate Auction that was nearby.

Was just planning to show her the atmosphere . . .

but she fell in love with a very extensive China set.  It had 12 place settings of everything imaginable, plus all the special pieces.  112 pieces I think.

It was quite exquisite, I did admit.
The auctioneer showed original purchase document showing price of $699.00 paid about 32 years ago.

Luckily, there weren't many interested, so I was the winning bidder at $225.00.

She has been happy as a lark all afternoon and evening, washing and placing in our China cabinet.

However, I already had two (less extensive) China sets there, so now what to do with them.
I suggested giving away to some younger folks we know from Ukraine, but Ochka said that it was in very bad taste to give used items.

Next you will need to acquire a new larger house.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on July 11, 2017, 06:27:55 PM
We bought a townhouse along East coast of Ireland back in 2013 near bottom of R.E. market.

Paid approx 80,000 Euros.  Hard to believe, but original buyer had paid 210,000 Euros for this townhouse at height of bubble.  She defaulted, bank repossessed and then we bought.

After purchase, a renter was immediately found and has been there for nearly 3.5 years and pays regularly with deposit into an account we have in Ireland.

Ochka's relative lives very near and manages this for us, although nothing really has needed to be done.

He tells us today that the unit next door which is identical just sold for 130,000 Euros in the recovering housing market.

Yes boys and girls . . . that is 62.5% paper increase for us in 3.5 years. 

I am waiting for full recovery to 210,000 Euros.

Yes, of course, this same gain could have been realized via purchase in one of several cities in USA that went through a bubble burst.  But I liked this deal because it gave country diversification to Ochka's portfolio and we had a trusted caretaker there in Ireland.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on July 11, 2017, 06:55:59 PM
Tidbit of info.

Ochka has gotten into habit of wearing jeans everywhere since her arrival in USA 6 year ago.

Today, we were going out for breakfast at standard chain restaurant (not fast food).

I said to her . . . wear a dress or skirt with blouse. 
And she did . . . with high heels.

After we returned home she says:  I feel sexy.

Me:  What . . . why?

She:  Just dressing up nice caused that effect.

Me:  OK . . . you are the boss.

Note:  Never heard such a thing ever from my previous wife.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: Lily on July 12, 2017, 08:39:57 AM
ML - Beautiful story  8)
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: msmob on July 12, 2017, 01:19:03 PM


Ochka has gotten into habit of wearing jeans everywhere since her arrival in USA 6 year ago.

Grounds for divorce - reason: 'unreasonable behaviour '.....


Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on July 12, 2017, 09:09:55 PM
I really don't mind the jeans, as she looks very good in them.

But just got to realizing that I wanted to see her in something different when we are out and about. 

She always dresses up in dress and heels when we are out in evening for dinner, theater, etc.   But I wanted to see in daytime also . . . once in awhile.

Interesting also how she was shocked at how female professors wore jeans to teach when she arrived and was in Intensive English program and then Masters program. 

When she got her first teaching assignment she told me . . . I will wear dress or skirts with medium heels.  I said:  That won't last long. 

And sure enough, she was in jeans and comfortable walking shoes by the second week and never went back to formal dress.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: msmob on July 12, 2017, 11:11:01 PM
Indeed , it is one of the sad things that wives 'adapt' to Western dress 'protocols' ...

Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: Steamer on July 13, 2017, 06:37:24 AM
Indeed , it is one of the sad things that wives 'adapt' to Western dress 'protocols' ...


Very true but that just makes it easier for my wife to stay a few notches above the women she works with.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: BillyB on July 15, 2017, 01:31:15 AM
I said to her . . . wear a dress or skirt with blouse. 
And she did . . . with high heels.

After we returned home she says:  I feel sexy.


Feeling sexy is a good thing. You might want to borrow that dress and heels from your wife occasionally. Doesn't matter if you wear panties with the set or leave them out.

it is one of the sad things that wives 'adapt' to Western dress 'protocols' ...


My wife didn't adapt. When we first married, she said don't try to change her. I would be a fool if I did. Half her wardrobe is dresses and skirts. I've got more opportunities to feel sexy than ML does.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on July 15, 2017, 06:57:15 AM
Feeling sexy is a good thing. You might want to borrow that dress and heels from your wife occasionally. Doesn't matter if you wear panties with the set or leave them out.

I am shocked at even reading about such kinky ideas !!!
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on July 22, 2017, 03:57:43 PM
Spouse filed ROC for 10 year Green Card today.
$680 filing fee now + $14 copying + $22 Fed Express.

90 days before expiration of 2 year Green Card.

Next event will be receipt of One Year Extension letter.

Then we go to DMV before Oct 20th for 4th or 5th time for her DL issuance/renewal; but only for one year again.  Really a pain.

Completion of ROC and issuance of 10 year Green Card seems to be taking a year or more at Vermont Service Center now.

Several days of my time to gather items, fill in form and organize.

She . . . only works in garden during this time . . . and looks pretty.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: jone on July 22, 2017, 05:36:10 PM
Spouse filed ROC for 10 year Green Card today.
$680 filing fee now + $14 copying + $22 Fed Express.

90 days before expiration of 2 year Green Card.

Next event will be receipt of One Year Extension letter.

Then we go to DMV before Oct 20th for 4th or 5th time for her DL issuance/renewal; but only for one year again.  Really a pain.

Completion of ROC and issuance of 10 year Green Card seems to be taking a year or more at Vermont Service Center now.

Several days of my time to gather items, fill in form and organize.

She . . . only works in garden during this time . . . and looks pretty.

Well, you could save yourself the trouble and send her back to UA.  Just sayin.   :devil:
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: msmob on July 22, 2017, 10:20:24 PM
Spouse filed ROC for 10 year Green Card today.

Rep of Cyprus ?

Then we go to DMV

DMV ? Driver Motor Vehicles ?

We don't all live in the US and understand your acronyms ! :)  Seriously.. I am interested to know what ROC stands for.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: 2tallbill on July 22, 2017, 10:45:32 PM
Rep of Cyprus ?

DMV ? Driver Motor Vehicles ?

We don't all live in the US and understand your acronyms ! :)  Seriously.. I am interested to know what ROC stands for.

ROC = Removal of conditions
http://www.uscis.gov/green-card/after-green-card-granted/conditional-permanent-residence/remove-conditions-permanent-residence-based-marriage

DMV = Department of Motor Vehicles

Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: msmob on July 22, 2017, 11:03:28 PM
Thank ye, kindly, Beel !
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on August 16, 2017, 09:00:06 AM
If my math teacher had looked like this; I might have gone to class more.
But would I have learned more ?
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: Lily on August 16, 2017, 10:25:45 AM
If my math teacher had looked like this; I might have gone to class more.
But would I have learned more ?

You would have been distracted a lot, ML!  :D
Thanks for posting pictures!
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: JayH on August 16, 2017, 01:35:42 PM
You would have been distracted a lot, ML!  :D
Thanks for posting pictures!


Ditto !! :)
I had a hot music teacher-- I have zero musical skills --but I was good at moving the piano around for her !! :) :-X
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: BillyB on August 16, 2017, 05:08:33 PM
If my math teacher had looked like this; I might have gone to class more.
But would I have learned more ?

I had a crush on a teacher and I learned more. There was a teacher I was in lust with. She had big boobs. I was shallow back then. I grew out of it last year. She taught typing and one day I asked a question and she leaned over and showed me how to type. I liked it when she bent over so I made a habit of asking more questions. I learned a lot from her but I secretly wished she'd teach me other things. Because of her, I type with all my fingers. I can type so fast, I can harass people on the internet at twice the rate they harass me.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: calmissile on August 16, 2017, 10:50:24 PM
I had a crush on a teacher and I learned more. There was a teacher I was in lust with. She had big boobs. I was shallow back then. I grew out of it last year. She taught typing and one day I asked a question and she leaned over and showed me how to type. I liked it when she bent over so I made a habit of asking more questions. I learned a lot from her but I secretly wished she'd teach me other things. Because of her, I type with all my fingers. I can type so fast, I can harass people on the internet at twice the rate they harass me.

I am with you Billy  :)
In my case it was not the typing teacher that caused me to sign up for typing class..... it was the fact that this is where the chicks are!  I have always been grateful that I took the class in High School.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: Wayne on August 17, 2017, 10:37:05 AM
When I was a senior in high school, my advisor told me that I should take typing. So I did! There was one other boy in the class and the rest were girls, mostly 9th or 10th graders.

The teacher was fresh out of college, first year teacher and only a few years older than I. She was very good looking, and one day when I was running late for a track meet and missed the bus, she drove me in her red, convertible sports car to the meet. That day, I came in first in the mile!
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: BillyB on August 17, 2017, 10:38:57 AM
She was very good looking, and one day when I was running late for a track meet and missed the bus, she drove me in her red, convertible sports car to the meet. That day, I came in first in the mile!



Becoming horny, your testosterone levels were high that day. No wonder you left the other guys in the dust.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on August 18, 2017, 05:43:24 PM
Wife called as she was getting ready to come home from university today.
Said she wanted pizza and sex after finishing first week of classes.
But classes didn't start until Wednesday, so it seems this type of celebration was not warranted.
I reluctantly agreed anyway.
Scams come in all forms.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: BillyB on August 18, 2017, 07:12:29 PM
Said she wanted pizza and sex after finishing first week of classes.



Did she want one serving or a buffet?
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on August 23, 2017, 09:37:14 AM
Ochka got the standard One Year Extension Letter for her 2 year Green Card a couple of weeks ago.

And last week received appointment letter to go to USCIS center for another round of finger printing regarding her application for ROC and to receive 10 year Green Card.  The appointment date is this Friday.

After that, we have to settle in for a wait of a year or more, and in some cases applicants have to go back to get another extension when a year passes.

Could even be a deliberate slow down in the processing.

Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on August 28, 2017, 10:59:40 AM
For those of you looking for a Slavic wife . . . avoid the foreign travel and visa problems of getting her here.

100,000 Slavic Christians live in the Vancouver, Oregon area.

http://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/26/us/ukrainian-christian-refugees.html?mcubz=3
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: BillyB on August 28, 2017, 02:53:46 PM

A lot of them are in the Pacific NW. Add another 100,000 in the Seattle area. A lot of people got visas due to the persecution they experienced in the FSU for their beliefs. After Reagan made an agreement with Gorbachav and opened up visas to America, a lot of people in the FSU finally found a need to believe in God. Currently most new immigrants are sponsored by their relatives who arrived in the first and second waves. I've been to their churches. Seemed cult like in some ways. Had to stand on a hard concrete floor with our knees 20-30 minutes at certain times during the service. The service lasted 3 hours. The people  in the congregation were allowed to preach from their seats taking turns with the pastor.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: Boethius on August 28, 2017, 06:40:06 PM
For those of you looking for a Slavic wife . . . avoid the foreign travel and visa problems of getting her here.

100,000 Slavic Christians live in the Vancouver, Oregon area.

http://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/26/us/ukrainian-christian-refugees.html?mcubz=3 (http://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/26/us/ukrainian-christian-refugees.html?mcubz=3)


I don't think they marry out of their communities (meaning Pentecostal or Baptist) very often.


Those communities were well established in both Russia and Ukraine.  Baptists had a very high rate of emigration in Tsarist times, due to persecution.  I met Baptists in Soviet times, as there was a large village just outside Kyiv, and my husband worked with a young man from that community.  They were very pious, and they faced tremendous persecution in Soviet times, even during so called "glasnost'".  They did marry outside their community, but only if the outsider accepted their religion.  Only 18,300 Baptists and Pentecosts emigrated to the US from the entire USSR between 1987 and 1990, with another 7,400 leaving in 1991.  However, as the USSR collapsed in August of 1991, it is unknown how many emigrated before the collapse, and how many left after.


What is more interesting is the Old Believer communities in Siberia.  They were completely isolated, living basically off the map, so even Soviet authorities didn't know of them.  One community was discovered in the late 1970's when a Soviet pilot who had been captured by them and used to impregnate women escaped.  They spoke a Russian that doesn't exist anymore, and lived as their ancestors had in the 18th century, when they denounced society and moved into isolation.  There are Old Believer communities in Canada and the Western U.S. as well.  In fact, that was the first Russian my husband heard here, and he went and asked them where they were from.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: Anotherkiwi on August 28, 2017, 07:00:18 PM
For those of you looking for a Slavic wife . . . avoid the foreign travel and visa problems of getting her here.

100,000 Slavic Christians live in the Vancouver, Oregon area.

Washington, not Oregon.

It confused me when I first saw it, because the only Vancouver I've ever heard of (until now) is the one in British Columbia.  How confusing is it for people in the area, considering that they're relatively close together (maybe 150 miles apart)?
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: BillyB on August 28, 2017, 07:13:10 PM

I don't think they marry out of their communities (meaning Pentecostal or Baptist) very often.



It's hard to get a date with one of those girls but enough FSU people came over that weren't very religious or left their religion and embraced other kinds of Christianity that are easier to get to know.


Washington, not Oregon.

It confused me when I first saw it, because the only Vancouver I've ever heard of (until now) is the one in British Columbia.  How confusing is it for people in the area, considering that they're relatively close together (maybe 150 miles apart)?


When ML said Vancouver, Oregon area, he's technically not wrong. Vancouver, WA and Portland, OR are next door neighbors separated by a river. Large pocket of FSU people in both those cities. I dated a few. A few hours drive from another large pocket of FSU people in the Seattle area. I live between both Vancouvers and people here make sure to say "B.C." after saying Canada's Vancouver.


Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: Anotherkiwi on August 28, 2017, 07:18:17 PM
When ML said Vancouver, Oregon area, he's technically not wrong. Vancouver, WA and Portland, OR are next door neighbors separated by a river... I live between both Vancouvers and people here make sure to say "B.C." after saying Canada's Vancouver.

Thanks, Billy.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on August 31, 2017, 01:42:32 PM
Before his career took off as a singer, TV and movie performer, Glenn was in high demand by recording studios.

Here you can see why.

http://www.youtube.com/embed/GUBhE00h9U0?feature=player_detailpage
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on September 05, 2017, 02:11:55 PM
Yushenko started this way back when, but then Yanokovich reversed it.

This will be the second  try.

http://www.kyivpost.com/ukraine-politics/parliament-oks-law-bring-ukrainian-education-closer-european-standards.html

I was in Ukraine in 2009 and talking with University faculty.  They were telling of the problem that would occur when no new students came to university during the switch year.

And, the high schools would have the opposite problem as they wouldn't have teachers for the 12th year.

For universities, it was a one time problem.
For high schools, the problem would continue.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on September 06, 2017, 04:04:50 PM
Saw a little segment about blockchains on PBS recently.

Bitcoins use that technology, but it can be used for many, many other applications also.
Apparently it is virtually hack-proof.

I am in favor of it . . . but not for Bitcoins or other currencies.
There is no control over Bitcoins and it is probably already a balloon ready to burst.

Also, Monetary Policy is a necessary tool for governments to help the economy.

Whether you like any given Monetary Policy followed by any government at a particular point in time . . . surely no one can believe that nations (or groups of nations - Euro) should not be able to control their own Monetary Policy.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on September 07, 2017, 05:46:29 PM
http://en.newsner.com/he-demands-a-divorce-in-letter-to-wife-but-her-reply-makes-him-regret-every-word/about/family
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: Anotherkiwi on September 07, 2017, 07:23:29 PM
http://en.newsner.com/he-demands-a-divorce-in-letter-to-wife-but-her-reply-makes-him-regret-every-word/about/family

That (and its many variations) is so old!  :deadhorse:

But still funny.  ;D
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on September 08, 2017, 09:10:03 AM
http://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-crime/2298254-half-a-ton-of-gold-stolen-by-yanukovych-family-arrested-abroad-prosecutor.html
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: BillyB on September 08, 2017, 03:10:17 PM

ML, I thought you didn't like off topic posts. I would've never thought information about Glenn Campbell, Yushenko, Yanukovych and Bitcoins can be found here. Can we talk about Alcoholics Anonymous here too?
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on September 08, 2017, 08:41:31 PM
Billy, those are just small items not  worthy of separate threads.

Besides, the rule is:  If I do it, it is by definition OK.  Get with the program.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on September 09, 2017, 12:48:17 PM
What can our Florida members report about Irma?
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on September 13, 2017, 10:38:20 AM
What ?????
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ChickMagnet on September 17, 2017, 12:43:37 AM
Congratulations!

I'm not sure what the 4 years wonder means but seems to mean it took 4 years.

Hey, it took me 1 week (original One Week Wonder), and 12-13 years later we are still going strong.
This might seem like a controversial statement, but I learned it from a Serbian lady across my street.
She said her love grew over time. And that's the same with me and my wife, although I don't know how
it can grow any stronger.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on September 23, 2017, 11:14:43 AM
We were recently in art museum.
I kept looking at this pic for a long time.
Wifey wanted to know what I found so riveting.
Couldn't quite figure it out . . . but just something about it.
Can you help me out here ???
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: BillyB on September 23, 2017, 11:35:17 AM
Wifey wanted to know what I found so riveting.



ML, I'm with your wife on this one. Sorry.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on October 16, 2017, 10:19:48 AM

ML, I'm with your wife on this one. Sorry.

Billy, and others, rotate the pic 90 degrees to right.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on October 16, 2017, 10:35:16 AM
Best turn of good luck we have had in this process of getting wife settled into USA.

We needed to get her a 5th drivers license.  Don't ask . . . but she came on Student Visa, then it was extended, then marriage with filing for 2 year GC which involved first getting EAD, then 2 year Green Card, then filing for 10 year GC, then getting 1 year extension etc.

Each step meant getting renewal which was only good for the limited period covered by the newest document.

So last event was receipt of the 1 year extension letter which came a couple of months ago and her license was due to expire next week.

Our state is a stickler and will only give a new one year license whereas I have read on VisaJourney that some states gave 5 year or more DL right from the beginning.
And when she was at the window the guy gave her a stern talk about fact that if she didn't get the 10 year GC within the next year then she couldn't get a renewal next year . . . bla, bla, bla.

Then we moved to next station and waited to be called for picture taking.
Then wait for card production, lamination, etc.

I told spouse to be sure that they put one year from date of Green Card expiration, rather than one year from date on extension letter (which some states and even some offices within various states have done.)

She looked at the card and came rushing to me with a rather white face.

They had given her a 5 year DL !!!!!

So despite the state rules and the stern talk from the guy . . . he had lost his head and just punched in 5 years because that's what he was used to doing 99 percent of the time.

Wife is afraid we will get letter any day demanding the return of the 5 year DL, but I doubt anyone or their system will catch this.

This bit of good luck will save us perhaps 3-4 more renewals within the next 5 years.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: BillyB on October 16, 2017, 10:53:31 AM
Billy, and others, rotate the pic 90 degrees to right.


Nasty, but definitely an improvement!
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: Hammer2722 on October 16, 2017, 03:11:12 PM
Billy, and others, rotate the pic 90 degrees to right.

No need, I got it right off the bat, LOL
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on November 09, 2017, 12:35:00 PM
We usually have extra-curricular activity on Thursday mornings because wifey doesn't have to teach courses on that day until mid afternoon.

Tuesday she asked me to look over an exam she had typed to check for spelling errors, etc.  This is standard practice.

I asked her when would I ever get paid for such work.

She replied:  Thursday morning.

Then on Wednesday evening she asked me:

"Will you be ready to cash your check in the morning?"

I had just a momentary puzzled look on my face . . . which she really liked.

And I really liked her humor.  Great Gal !!
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: BillyB on November 09, 2017, 03:34:30 PM
"Will you be ready to cash your check in the morning?"



Well, it's Thursday. Did you check clear or bounce?
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on November 09, 2017, 06:33:00 PM

Well, it's Thursday. Did your check clear or bounce?

Technically it was her check.

I made the deposit without problems.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on November 23, 2017, 10:03:28 PM
As most in USA know, retailers have moved toward starting the sales at 6 PM or so on Thursday evening.

Wife and I were out for late afternoon Thanksgiving dinner and then went to WalMart arriving at about 5:45 PM.  Had time to look around a bit and find some items.  A huge number of people clogging most aisles but we managed to get near the printers.

At 6:00 we each grabbed up a HP printer selling for $19.  Ochka kept asking why we needed two when we already have two working ones at the house.  But when I took her over to the print cartridge area and she saw they cost nearly $36, she understood why.  The print cartridges are the same as needed in our existing.  Then I searched out and found another HP selling for $49 compared to its regular price of $99, I bought it also.  Presume it is of higher quality and will replace one of our existing when the time comes.

Also bought a Mr Coffee maker for half price, a 24 piece set of Pyrex bowls for half price and pillows for same deal.

We quickly headed for check out and were able to be one of first out of the store.  Later the check-out lines would be a mile long.

Tomorrow a local farm store is selling chain saws for $99 that normally sell for $169.  I plan to buy two if I can.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: Boethius on November 24, 2017, 10:14:34 AM
Why not buy a laser printer?  Best Buy probably has good Black Friday sales.  They cost more, but print a lot more as well.  I have found them very cost effective.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: JayH on November 24, 2017, 02:34:50 PM
The "cheap" printers have horrific refill prices and very short number of prints -- so prove much more expensive and inconvenient to run.

Maybe ok  to print a page very occasionally --but useless for even modest use.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: Anotherkiwi on November 26, 2017, 04:35:43 PM
The "cheap" printers have horrific refill prices and very short number of prints -- so prove much more expensive and inconvenient to run.

Maybe ok  to print a page very occasionally --but useless for even modest use.

Especially ones with just a single cartridge, such as Canon Pixma.  Those with individual colour cartridges aren't so bad.  I don't think too many people here actually buy the factory-made ones as replacements, because we can get good to high quality compatible cartridges at a fraction of the price (why pay $35 when you can buy the same thing on-line for $2.75 plus postage)?  The only problem I've encountered is that the chip in a compatible cartridge doesn't always get read properly by the printer, so I get warned that the cartridge is running out of ink when it's actually still two-thirds full.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on December 16, 2017, 12:07:04 PM
Really a big problem here.

I have been under the weather with something (standard cold, allergies and or flu) for 10 days now.

Haven't been up to joint (pun intended) sex in that time span, although I continue to provide wifey with pleasure one or more times each day.

For 8 days, this wasn't a big problem as she was busy with preparing finals, administering finals, grading, (I accumulated up all page totals, test totals and calculated final course percentages), and posting of grades.

Then 2 days ago she said, OK I am now going to take two days to clean the house . . . and then I am going to expect a lot from you . . .

And now I am still not 100% . . . and she is worried that she might be coming down with this stuff.

Plus our anniversary date is fast approaching.

Back in Ukraine, when anything needed fixed, the most common phrase was . . . 'we need to hire a man/woman.'
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on December 18, 2017, 12:19:29 PM
We only had a couple of good health days . . . then spouse did catch whatever I had.  Very bad sore throat now and up into one ear.  But this stuff usually doesn't last as long for her as it does me.
Hate to see her break-time from university teaching being spent like this though.

True to her Ukrainian heritage, she went out to garden area and cut off some small twigs from our raspberry bushes.  Boiled them in water to make a tea.

I wasn't too anxious to try, but I did and am still alive.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: calmissile on December 18, 2017, 12:58:41 PM
I hope you recover soon, but had to laugh about the witches brew that our UA women come up with.  :)
I gave up trying to figure out what Larissa is making for me or to get her to explain why it is supposed to work......just drink the stuff and don't argue about it.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: Boethius on December 18, 2017, 01:41:09 PM
Raspberry leaf is high in Vitamin C.  I don't think you really need it if you are taking Vitamin C in other forms.  Of course, it was used at a time when oranges were uncommon in Ukraine year round, and vitamin tablets were unheard of.

My grandmother used to make a tea that cured colds.  It was made with a specific herb, "polyn.", in Ukrainian, which she gathered in forests.  I think it may be wormwood, but I am not 100% on that, as I am going by the translation.  It was bitter, and I recall when she brewed it when I was ill as a child, I drank it willingly, even eagerly, as I knew that by the next morning, my cold would be gone.

I can still remember the taste of it, and the smell, but I wouldn't try to make it myself.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on December 22, 2017, 11:07:06 AM
Today is our 3rd wedding anniversary.
However, we have been living together in USA for 6 and half years;
And, we have had some acquaintance for 13 and a half years.

Just changed my profile to show married 3-5 years.

Unfortunately we are both somewhat ill from cold/flu/allergies.
She for 6th day and me for 17th day.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: calmissile on December 22, 2017, 11:37:51 AM
Congrats on your anniversary and wish you many more to come.

Doug, Larissa, Lisa
 
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: msmob on December 22, 2017, 11:55:35 AM
Today is our 3rd wedding anniversary.
However, we have been living together in USA for 6 and half years;
And, we have had some acquaintance for 13 and a half years.

Just changed my profile to show married 3-5 years.

Unfortunately we are both somewhat ill from cold/flu/allergies.
She for 6th day and me for 17th day.

Well, hope you both recover to do your 'time-served' proud !
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: Boethius on December 22, 2017, 01:15:29 PM
Congratulations ML and Ochka.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: BillyB on December 22, 2017, 03:26:18 PM
Grats ML and Ochka! Don't look at being ill as a curse. Consider it a blessing that you can't go out and celebrate your anniversary since you must stay home and spend time with the finest people of world all at RWD.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on December 24, 2017, 12:44:29 PM
Ochka is 'still under the weather' somewhat from the 'common cold' so she is not up to the 12 course tradition for Christmas.

However, she did make cherry filled piroshki and kutia this morning.

We are going to put off our wedding anniversary celebration until after Christmas.  Hope we will both be in top shape in 3 days or so.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on December 24, 2017, 04:15:42 PM
We decided to go out for an afternoon meal at Denny's which is very near.  This was not our anniversary dinner.

Anyway very nice thing that after we ordered, Ochka looked into my eyes and said:  I love you very much and am very happy to be with you.  And her eyes teared up a little.

We never got each other any Christmas presents . . . but who could ask for anything more than this !!!.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on December 24, 2017, 04:31:54 PM
Ochka told me this that she had just heard via Skype from an older lady (early 80s) that she knew back in Ukraine.

This woman has only one grandson whose parents are both deceased so they only have each other.

He 30 now and had dated a girl for many years.  She from very wealthy family (house like a French palace), he just normal guy with masters degree and regular job.

He tall and good looking, she short and skinny with no breasts (this is all from Grandmother).  Grandmother had told Ochka 3-4 years ago she hoped he would 'get a tall girl with big breasts under him' and that then he would drop this gal.  But never happened.

3-4 years ago, the girl's mother asked the Grandmother why the grandson didn't marry her daughter.  Grandmother told that he would never have the money to support her as she was accustomed to.  The Mother and girl said that the money didn't matter and that he should either marry her or let her go.

And the Grandmother became more worried that her Grandson would not have someone to 'care for him' when she had passed away . . . so she told Grandson to get married.  Note:  FSU men do a lot that Mothers and Grandmothers tell them to do . . . more so than AM do.

So they married and now she is pregnant.  And for last year or so the now wife has been complaining about the money and that he should 'earn more.'  She likes  to buy new dresses frequently . . . but dress only will not do.  It must be dress, matching shoes, purse, scarves, etc.  Her Mother tells young man that she will provide money but that 'he must be very grateful for it.'

Train wreck coming and too bad a child will now be involved.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: kynrazor on December 24, 2017, 11:45:24 PM
3-4 years ago, the girl's mother asked the Grandmother why the grandson didn't marry her daughter.  Grandmother told that he would never have the money to support her as she was accustomed to.  The Mother and girl said that the money didn't matter and that he should either marry her or let her go.

And the Grandmother became more worried that her Grandson would not have someone to 'care for him' when she had passed away . . . so she told Grandson to get married.  Note:  FSU men do a lot that Mothers and Grandmothers tell them to do . . . more so than AM do.

So they married and now she is pregnant.  And for last year or so the now wife has been complaining about the money and that he should 'earn more.'  She likes  to buy new dresses frequently . . . but dress only will not do.  It must be dress, matching shoes, purse, scarves, etc.  Her Mother tells young man that she will provide money but that 'he must be very grateful for it.'

Train wreck coming and too bad a child will now be involved.

What confuses the heck out of me ML, is if the now pregnant wife is really wealthy, why would she need even more money from her husband? Or is it only her mother who is rich?

I don't see it necessarily as a trainwreck, especially assuming the husband is willing to be a tad more subservient in the household and has good relations with his wife's mother? The wife's family becomes partly provider and husband becomes part-caregiver....a mutually beneficial partnership perhaps?  :popcorn:
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: BillyB on December 25, 2017, 01:02:12 AM
We decided to go out for an afternoon meal at Denny's which is very near.  This was not our anniversary dinner.

Anyway very nice thing that after we ordered, Ochka looked into my eyes and said:  I love you very much and am very happy to be with you.  And her eyes teared up a little.



That exact thing happened to me and my wife. We went to Denny's for an afternoon me a few days ago.


We never got each other any Christmas presents . . . but who could ask for anything more than this !!!.



An inscription of "I love you" on a Rolex is even better. This Christmas my wife made a book on Shutterfly of containing her favorite photos of me and her together. That was the best present she gave me that wasn't physical in nature.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: Maxx2 on December 25, 2017, 02:15:39 AM

That exact thing happened to me and my wife. We went to Denny's for an afternoon me a few days ago.



Perhaps you and ML ordered the same dish and there was something in the food that caused the same reaction?  ;)
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on December 25, 2017, 10:48:18 AM
What confuses the heck out of me ML, is if the now pregnant wife is really wealthy, why would she need even more money from her husband? Or is it only her mother who is rich?

My wording was 'She from very wealthy family.'

That means the same the world over and  does NOT indicate the 'she or he' yet has any of the wealth.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on December 25, 2017, 10:51:23 AM

Perhaps you and ML ordered the same dish and there was something in the food that caused the same reaction?  ;)

Nice thought Maxx, but in my case I noted 'after we ordered' implying we had not yet eaten anything.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on December 31, 2017, 07:00:31 PM
New Year Greetings to all !!
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on January 02, 2018, 11:41:56 AM
We have read a lot about reforms, plans for reforms, and lack of reforms in Ukraine.
I can report on one small aspect based on personal experience.
Ochka has a female cousin, early 40s.
She had made a career in banking.  Very low pay similar to banking salaries in USA (except for commercial loan officers and investment bankers.)
She saw advertisement for Senior Analytical Statistician at a National Government Agency in Kyiv.
So she applied.  The personnel people rather dismissively treated her and told how a written exam would be required for her and for several experienced internal candidates.
Note this is a new procedure in Ukraine as typically jobs and promotions are given based on friendships, family connections, bribes, beauty (for female candidates), young age, etc.
She took the exam and scored 100% and no other candidates came close to this score.
It was not believed, so she was called in for an oral exam which she also aced.
None of this was unexpected by her and her family as she had gotten a Red Diploma at graduation from University.
She got the job (despite her age) at double her banking salary, but still not really very much money.
Anyway, one small indication of some reforms actually taking place in Ukraine.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: BillyB on January 02, 2018, 12:09:42 PM
She took the exam and scored 100% and no other candidates came close to this score.
It was not believed, so she was called in for an oral exam which she also aced.



Good to hear that the oral exams employers give females today are different than those in the past.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: msmob on January 02, 2018, 03:53:02 PM
THIS news (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-42540819 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-42540819) suggests that Ukraine has a way to go ((

Ukraine murder probe over lawyer Nozdrovska's death


"Ukrainian police have opened a murder investigation after the body of a lawyer and human rights activist was found in a river in the capital Kiev.

Iryna Nozdrovska, 38, went missing on 29 December. She had worked on the case of her sister, who was killed in 2015 by a car driven by the nephew of a Kiev judge."
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on January 02, 2018, 05:23:43 PM
THIS news (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-42540819 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-42540819) suggests that Ukraine has a way to go ((

Ukraine murder probe over lawyer Nozdrovska's death


"Ukrainian police have opened a murder investigation after the body of a lawyer and human rights activist was found in a river in the capital Kiev.

Iryna Nozdrovska, 38, went missing on 29 December. She had worked on the case of her sister, who was killed in 2015 by a car driven by the nephew of a Kiev judge."

Yes, that event totally disgusts me.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: Boethius on January 02, 2018, 05:29:20 PM
Both Ukraine and Russia are still controlled, both politically and economically, by the former Soviet nomenklatura.  These are largely sociopaths.  So, no surprises at extra judicial killings in either country, and no systemic mechanisms for punishing powerful people who abuse their positions.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: whynotme on January 02, 2018, 07:56:32 PM
Both Ukraine and Russia are still controlled, both politically and economically, by the former Soviet nomenklatura.  These are largely sociopaths.  So, no surprises at extra judicial killings in either country, and no systemic mechanisms for punishing powerful people who abuse their positions.

The former Soviet nomenklatura is retired or died long ago. And only the broken record Boethius is repeating the same thing for the last 25 years.  :D
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: Boethius on January 02, 2018, 07:58:00 PM
No they're not.  Putin is part of the former nomenklatura.  So is Poroshenko.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: msmob on January 02, 2018, 10:23:01 PM
Sorry, whynotme..I'm with Boethiuis on this one.. (

Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: whynotme on January 02, 2018, 11:52:49 PM
No they're not.  Putin is part of the former nomenklatura.  So is Poroshenko.

Seems, you have your own definitions for everything  :D I didn't study the biography of Poroshenko, but before 1991 Putin was a modest KGB major who lived in khrushchevka. The Soviet nomenclature were Primakov, Chernomyrdin, Yeltsin ... Putin is another generation, I wouldn't attribute him to the former Soviet nomenclature so unequivocally.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: msmob on January 02, 2018, 11:58:12 PM
Seems, you have your own definitions for everything  :D I didn't study the biography of Poroshenko, but before 1991 Putin was a modest KGB major who lived in khrushchevka. The Soviet nomenclature were Primakov, Chernomyrdin, Yeltsin ... Putin is another generation, I wouldn't attribute him to the former Soviet nomenclature so unequivocally.

I see your point, but Putin was in E.Germany and was humiliated by the fall of the Soviet Union and 'people power'

I believe he very much regrets the fall and is trying to ensure a wave of popular support against a govt cannot over power a Moscow govt. whilst doing 'OK' ( for himself) in the process.. 

If we check his publicly declared  property portfolio he suggests he isn't much better off then he was then.

Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: Boethius on January 03, 2018, 12:30:52 AM
Nomenklatura=members of the CPSU who formed the bureaucratic and governing elite.


Putin, a Lieutenant Colonel of the KGB, was certainly part of the nomenklatura. 

Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on January 08, 2018, 12:19:21 PM
Went out for Christmas dinner yesterday.

When seated, I said to Ochka:  Merry Christmas.

It took her a few moments to remember the Orthodox Greeting, and the reply I was supposed to say.

What does this indicate ??
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: msmob on January 08, 2018, 02:28:32 PM
Went out for Christmas dinner yesterday.

When seated, I said to Ochka:  Merry Christmas.

It took her a few moments to remember the Orthodox Greeting, and the reply I was supposed to say.

What does this indicate ??

The possible list is long and many involve alcohol ;)
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: Boethius on January 08, 2018, 04:14:21 PM
It doesn't surprise me, as other than in some parts of Western Ukraine (particularly villages), religious greetings disappeared under the communists.  Religious education, in general was very lacking in the USSR.  So, it may be that Ochka did not grow up with these traditional greetings.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: LAman on January 08, 2018, 05:34:58 PM
Went out for Christmas dinner yesterday.

When seated, I said to Ochka:  Merry Christmas.

It took her a few moments to remember the Orthodox Greeting, and the reply I was supposed to say.

What does this indicate ??

Hmmmm, Maybe she's not into you??))

Is this first X-mas you said Merry Christmas? This has got to 3-4th Christmas for both of you.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: Boethius on January 08, 2018, 06:56:44 PM
For Ukrainians, a Christmas meal cannot be started without saying "Khristos Razhdayetsya!" (Christ is born!) to which the reply is "Slavite Yoho!" (Glory/Glorify Him!)  That is what ML is referring to. :)
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on January 08, 2018, 07:08:12 PM
For Ukrainians, a Christmas meal cannot be started without saying "Khristos Razhdayetsya!" (Christ is born!) to which the reply is "Slavite Yoho!" (Glory/Glorify Him!)  That is what ML is referring to. :)

Yes, these were the two sayings.

And she did know these very well, as her family was practicing Christians, even as it was low key during Soviet times.

Also, she had told me these and what to say in reply every year for the 6 previous Christmases she has been here.

My point was . . . since she had a momentary lapse . . . maybe some indication of her becoming a USA person ??

Also, she is very strident that we get to sporting events in time to hear/sing our national antheum.

She has never vocalized anything about becoming a USA person, but the above gives some hints and she has said she prefers to spend time with USA persons rather than the Ukrainian group here.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: Jumper on January 08, 2018, 08:55:20 PM
She's been immersed in an English speaking culture daily,for serveral years  it usntbunusual to have to occasionally search for a word in the native tongue.

Been through it myself,years asho,
and certainly my wife searches for a Russian word or two occasionally now.

I don't think it indicates becoming a *USA* person,exactly, but does indicate she spends more time with English speakers than with those speaking her native language.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on January 09, 2018, 08:34:29 AM
She's been immersed in an English speaking culture daily,for serveral years  it usntbunusual to have to occasionally search for a word in the native tongue.

Been through it myself,years asho,
and certainly my wife searches for a Russian word or two occasionally now.

I don't think it indicates becoming a *USA* person,exactly, but does indicate she spends more time with English speakers than with those speaking her native language.

Good points.  I thought of that myself late last night.
i.e. Speaking English so much.

I knew of young USA college man who spent time in an East German prison back in cold war period for trying to smuggle out an East German man.  Guards only spoke German, so he had to learn.

Two years or so I think.
Upon his return to USA, he had some trouble remembering English words and spoke with rather heavy German accent for several months.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: Jumper on January 09, 2018, 11:28:15 AM
Everyone is different, but in my experience dealing with total immersion (No English spoken) my pea brain finally adapted to thinking in the *new* language first (not translating it in your mind first) at about 18 months, also start dreaming in the new language,which my wife has also noticed.

In our case my wife has always felt like a western person, so there is transition there as well I suppose but a less distinct line.I honestly can't  think of anything specifucally FSU cultural related in her mannerisms or thinking.

Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on February 03, 2018, 12:59:36 PM
Right now, wifey is hauling in firewood to stack in garage for our wood burning furnace.
And I am doing the laundry.
Anything wrong with this ???

Point of fact . . . she loves dealing with firewood, and especially starting the fire, feeding the stove, etc.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: Boethius on February 03, 2018, 01:19:29 PM
No, nothing wrong with that.  Laundry is easier.  :)


I love ironing.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: BillyB on February 03, 2018, 03:20:14 PM
And I am doing the laundry.
Anything wrong with this ???



I do not have confidence you can get the clothes clean enough. I washed the clothes one time and my wife complained I didn't use the right water temperature, the right detergent, the correct wash cycle and didn't get the spots out. Apparently washing clothes is a big deal and a sophisticated operation.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on February 03, 2018, 03:28:23 PM

I do not have confidence you can get the clothes clean enough. I washed the clothes one time and my wife complained I didn't use the right water temperature, the right detergent, the correct wash cycle and didn't get the spots out. Apparently washing clothes is a big deal and a sophisticated operation.

Use 'pre wash' for any spots and stains.
We have only one detergent to put in washing machine.

And besides that, I taught wifey how to use washing machine anyway.

Ironing is another matter.  I don't like that.

Cooking also is not my thing.  I can make a huge mess in the kitchen and then proceed to overcook or undercook, splatter oil everywhere, burn some part of my body, get my clothes covered with oil, flour and most anything else.

Eating I can do pretty well.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: msmob on February 05, 2018, 01:13:28 AM
Judging by your comments - your wives have a LOT to worry about - lest you put her red lingerie in with the white  towels on a cottons setting ;)

Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on March 30, 2018, 03:31:16 PM
Over the past few years I have sold 15 one acre lots in my real estate development.
I have never reduced the asking price on any parcel, so it's a take it or leave it operation.

Today, I got this message from a guy who had been out and looked a couple of times, and who had all the info about my previous sales and other nearby comparable sales because I had furnished it.

He gave me an offer of about half my asking price (which was in line with my previous sales), and also furnished this statement in support of his 'low ball' offer:

"Land in this area has skyrocketed over the past 10 years for no apparent reasons other than the boom in the housing market."
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: Jumper on March 30, 2018, 04:15:33 PM
Lol!
Did you reply.


"That's right."
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: BillyB on March 30, 2018, 04:22:03 PM
He gave me an offer of about half my asking price (which was in line with my previous sales), and also furnished this statement in support of his 'low ball' offer:

"Land in this area has skyrocketed over the past 10 years for no apparent reasons other than the boom in the housing market."


Dumb reason he gave you. It certainly didn't motivate you to sell.


There are people and groups out there that offer half the amount of value for property to a whole lot of people. Eventually they will contact one or a few people in financial trouble that will sell. Throw out a thousand offers and if only a few people bite it'll earn millions for those who are buying property at half the value and reselling at full value.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on April 02, 2018, 10:22:44 AM
In a politically popular move that could change (for the worse) the face of Ukrainian transportation, Rada deputies propose that cars can be imported after owners pay flat fees of 500 euros.

This single fee would replace VAT and excise duties that often top 6,000 euros.
The new fee would apply to new cars and used cars less than 10 years old.

Rada Deputy Oleksandr Shevchenko from UKROP, or the Ukrainian Association of Patriots, tells UNIAN:

"In our time, a car is really not a luxury, but a means of transportation. It is needed for everything – for families, to go to doctors when they are sick, for entrepreneurs, to be mobile and have time to do business, for average people, to visit relatives, travel and relax.”
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on April 05, 2018, 12:58:48 PM
Guys, this is 'clean Thursday' in Orthodox system.

So even though it is not close to end of month, you may want to shower anyway.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: Boethius on April 05, 2018, 01:35:13 PM
Traditionally, "clean Thursday" meant washing the feet of someone else, mimicking Jesus' washing the disciples' feet at the Garden of Gethsemane. 


The cleaning of homes is a very literal interpretation (IMHO, misinterpretation) of Matthew 12:43-45 or Luke 11:24-26.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on April 18, 2018, 10:42:43 AM
The devaluation of the Russian ruble following the imposition of new sanctions by the U.S. has not adversely affected the Hryvnia, according to bankers polled by Interfax-Ukraine. Board Chairman of RwS Bank Vladyslav Kravets explained: "For the first time in 25 years of Ukraine's independence, the sharp decline in the ruble's exchange rate has not adversely affected the hryvnia exchange rate, which, in turn, also attests to achieving greater energy independence of the country.”
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: Jumper on May 21, 2018, 01:46:56 PM
This seems to have  become a weather or stock market report.
I hope things have gone well for you two.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on June 30, 2018, 09:34:36 AM
FSUW bodies fall apart in late 40s
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: Trenchcoat on July 02, 2018, 01:56:21 PM
So are you guys still splitting up ML or did you manage to sort things out?
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on July 02, 2018, 02:06:11 PM
She is still making me meals.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: BillyB on July 02, 2018, 04:02:36 PM
She is still making me meals.

That doesn't mean you're eating them. I predict you both kissed and made up and then kissed and made out.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on August 04, 2018, 06:22:21 PM
Took Ochka to her first horse races.
Had a good time and even won a small amount on betting.
But lost it all on roulette wheel in casino.  Nothing big though.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: Boethius on August 04, 2018, 06:43:00 PM
Ah, I used to go to the racetrack all the time as a kid. Lost interest completely in high school, even before I could go watch in the lounge.

My father used to take our kids. He would give them each $20 to bet.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on August 15, 2018, 08:28:14 PM
Spouse reported that relatives of hers, a young couple and 2 children, are visiting with other relatives of the wife in Berdyansk, Ukraine.

They are having a good time visiting the beach at Sea of Azov and other nearby water attractions, etc.  Sent a lot of nice pics.

I was surprised to hear that the water is clean.
I thought I had heard/read years ago that the Sea of Azov was very polluted.

Plus, I would  think that area is a little too close to potential flare ups with the Russian invaders.

Anyway, news to me that nice beaches there . . . and strange that I don't recall anyone posting here about visiting the beaches there.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: krimster2 on August 15, 2018, 08:38:20 PM
it's "out of the way"
your family is about 75 miles from actual shelling at this very moment
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: DaveNY on August 15, 2018, 08:43:34 PM
Spouse reported that relatives of hers, a young couple and 2 children, are visiting with other relatives of the wife in Berdyansk, Ukraine.

They are having a good time visiting the beach at Sea of Azov and other nearby water attractions, etc.  Sent a lot of nice pics.

I was surprised to hear that the water is clean.
I thought I had heard/read years ago that the Sea of Azov was very polluted.

Plus, I would  think that area is a little too close to potential flare ups with the Russian invaders.

Anyway, news to me that nice beaches there . . . and strange that I don't recall anyone posting here about visiting the beaches there.

The Sea of Azov outflows to the Black Sea which outflows to the Med so the Sea of Azov is constantly being cleaned out. Maybe the Russians and Ukrainians decided not to pollute it any more?

I wouldn't be surprised if Russia used the Sea of Azov to infiltrate and harass Ukraine. Considering Putin wants the east of Ukraine for a land bridge to Crimea and Moldova I'm surprised Russia has staged incursions via the Sea before.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: mhr7 on August 15, 2018, 08:50:08 PM
Spouse reported that relatives of hers, a young couple and 2 children, are visiting with other relatives of the wife in Berdyansk, Ukraine.

They are having a good time visiting the beach at Sea of Azov and other nearby water attractions, etc.  Sent a lot of nice pics.

I was surprised to hear that the water is clean.
I thought I had heard/read years ago that the Sea of Azov was very polluted.

Plus, I would  think that area is a little too close to potential flare ups with the Russian invaders.

Anyway, news to me that nice beaches there . . . and strange that I don't recall anyone posting here about visiting the beaches there.

Spent a few days at the Sea of Azov in Taganrog last summer, everything was very nice.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: krimster2 on August 15, 2018, 08:50:21 PM
apologies hit post too soon
shelling is by 45th Heavy Artillery Brigade - these boys have the big stuff
about 40 miles NE of where your family is Ukrainians are digging in their BM-27s, and that's weird!!!!
i'd be a little nervous if I were you...
if the wind is right that may here distant thunder at night
 
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: krimster2 on August 15, 2018, 08:55:43 PM
hear not here - i know - tired
tell your family to go no further east than where they are
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: SteveInBoston on August 15, 2018, 08:57:02 PM
My fiance has friends in Urzuf, who she visits regularly.  I haven't been told about the water condition - she and her friends don't go to the beach during the day and only go for strolls in the evening.  From the photos the sea coast looks really nice.

The latest word from her is that the border checkpoints are the same as always, but tells me of the occasional casualties from shelling that happens.  The last one she mentioned was a month ago when a father and son were killed in a house that was shelled, near Donetsk.



Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: Boethius on August 15, 2018, 08:59:40 PM
I think calmissile did a few trips there before he met his wife.

I know there are no fish (not enough for fishing) in the Dnipro around Kyiv, and that’s been the case for at least a decade.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: JayH on August 15, 2018, 09:23:39 PM
Spouse reported that relatives of hers, a young couple and 2 children, are visiting with other relatives of the wife in Berdyansk, Ukraine.

They are having a good time visiting the beach at Sea of Azov and other nearby water attractions, etc.  Sent a lot of nice pics.

I was surprised to hear that the water is clean.
I thought I had heard/read years ago that the Sea of Azov was very polluted.

Plus, I would  think that area is a little too close to potential flare ups with the Russian invaders.

Anyway, news to me that nice beaches there . . . and strange that I don't recall anyone posting here about visiting the beaches there.

I have spent some time in Berdyansk recently  ( on the beaches) and a little time further east !
The water seems clearer than Odesa and down the coast from there . Odesa also seems to have summer jelly fish invasion to deal with.
It does seem bizarre -- but life  quite close to the actual front lines goes on in a remarkably normal way.

It has not stopped many 1000's of Ukrainians taking their traditional beach holiday -- the destinations all along the Ukrainian coastline -- both Azov and Black Sea boom in summer as Ukrainians overwhelmingly have rejected going to Crimea-- and spent their money in Ukraine since 2014 !!

I think calmissile did a few trips there before he met his wife.

I know there are no fish (not enough for fishing) in the Dnipro around Kyiv, and that’s been the case for at least a decade.

On water quality -- I said above that the Azov seems clearer -- how clean it actually is -- do not know.
Downstream from Kyiv --decent size  fish are being caught ( & eaten!!) & there are certainly a lot of people fishing.
There has been an effort to create beach facilities in cities on the Dnieper  -- with quite good facilities and nice sand beaches . Certainly many people are swimming in it.

I would like to see actual water test results in any given area of the Dnieper before swimming in it . It is an absolutely magnificent river.  I have been swimming in both Azov  & Black seas without issues.



ADDED LATER -- ML --the now married self drive Norwegian guy was staying at Berdyansk 2/3 summers ago and wrote about it
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: krimster2 on August 16, 2018, 06:11:32 AM
seriously, ML
if your family got onto to the M14, and drove maybe 20 minutes they’d be on the fringe a war zone
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on August 24, 2018, 09:28:35 PM
Today, Ochka wore a traditional Ukrainian shirt to University in honor of Independence Day.

She was pleased that many people commented, and even more pleased that the professors from Poland, Czech and Romania knew what she was celebrating.

She was telling me that Ukrainian traditional clothing was more similar to those countries plus Belarus, than it was to Russian traditional clothing.

I took her out to dinner, and then to a small musical which was horrendous.  We left at intermission.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: BillyB on August 24, 2018, 10:48:15 PM

Wife and I watched a video of the celebration in Maidan Square. Trump sent Sec of State John Bolton to be on stage with President Poroshenko and American soldiers marched down Khreshchatyk Street.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on September 02, 2018, 11:02:54 AM
Just this morning after we finished Pilates, I remarked to wife (as I often do) . . . nice A$$.

Then I added; where did you get that, at WalMart or Neiman Marcus?

She replied:  "Can only be ordered on Internet from another country.  Too expensive in USA."
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: BillyB on September 02, 2018, 11:31:05 AM
She replied:  "Can only be ordered on Internet from another country.  Too expensive in USA."

She's right. Imported ass is the best.

Just read my last post. Had a brain fart with John Bolton's job title.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on September 12, 2018, 05:22:22 PM
Wife's mother called on Skype in a panic.  Because of the coming hurricane, she must come back home to safety in Ukraine until the threat passes.

Telling her that the storm will be 4 hours away at closest point did no good.

Always forest fires, tornadoes, earthquakes, flash floods, hurricanes, etc., in USA.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on November 06, 2018, 11:23:10 AM
You married men, or men in long term relationship with FSUW.

Have you noticed that your gal often doesn't answer the question you asked; but rather answers another somewhat related (or possibly even unrelated) question?

I don't think they are being deliberately antagonistic, but just something in their character causes it.

It is getting a little tiresome for me.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: GQBlues on November 06, 2018, 02:15:53 PM
The fact I actually had to try to recall any instances, I cannot honestly say I share the same sentiment, ML. There were times some misunderstanding occurred but those have more to do in the manner I phrased the question which she misunderstood.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: DaveNY on November 06, 2018, 03:00:22 PM
You married men, or men in long term relationship with FSUW.

Have you noticed that your gal often doesn't answer the question you asked; but rather answers another somewhat related (or possibly even unrelated) question?

I don't think they are being deliberately antagonistic, but just something in their character causes it.

It is getting a little tiresome for me.

Got to agree with GQB. My wife and I talk all the time. When I'm at the office I can count on her calling on the phone or texting me several times a day about something and I do the same. If I call about what's for dinner or what I need to pick up from the store on my way home I get a detailed answer.

My wife loves lists and will give me a detailed list for stuff to pick up at the store. How many loaves of bread, white or whole wheat, brand, etc.

If we're talking about the kids via text sometimes she will bring about totally unrelated topics such as the her car needs an oil change but that's just her being detailed and the fact that I handle all car related issues even if it's her car. 
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: krimster2 on November 06, 2018, 04:54:12 PM
I have had business dealings with Russians
being “evasive” when confronted by questioning is a cultural norm, it means they’re being “cautious”

my wife knows what pleases me
and what irritates me

she understands it is very much in her self interest to be pleasing
and not irritating
it is one of the many things I have have taught her

once you teach a UW obedience
then the rest becomes quite easy...
just like raising children, you have to have discipline with your wife as well

if you ever have to yank the chain on a Ukrainian woman
she will just roll over and expose her unprotected underbelly to you in a show of submission
unlike an American woman, who would never be submissive under any circumstance
it's another thing I really like about my wife
a simple, sweet natured woman
who ALWAYS gets what SHE wants
because I ALWAYS get what I want

more quid = more quo





Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: BillyB on November 06, 2018, 04:57:32 PM
You married men, or men in long term relationship with FSUW.

Have you noticed that your gal often doesn't answer the question you asked; but rather answers another somewhat related (or possibly even unrelated) question?


My wife doesn't but my sister does. My sister drives me nuts. I've known a few FSU women that answer a question with a question though.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: Jumper on November 06, 2018, 11:19:48 PM
You married men, or men in long term relationship with FSUW.

Have you noticed that your gal often doesn't answer the question you asked; but rather answers another somewhat related (or possibly even unrelated) question?

I don't think they are being deliberately antagonistic, but just something in their character causes it.

It is getting a little tiresome for me.

With my wife, no.
Completely normal question/answer scenarios, I'd be more likely to not answer directly as I might have not understood the questions exact  phrasing. She often leaves out key details when asking me something, as she thinks I already know what's in her head.lol I think because we both read each other too well,but I do have to ask for details at times when answering. Not if i ask the question though.


If she changes a topic out of the blue,she actually normally states that's shes going to do so, prior to the tangent. Normally in a joking way.
So no, really dont see that at all with her.

Have seen it with others though ,many times, it seems a tad common *over there*
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on November 14, 2018, 10:41:07 AM
Yesterday drove by a parcel that I had sold to a small-time builder.
Noticed he was going back and forth from an excavator to a front loader in digging out the basement area.
Went up to talk with him and got the scoop that his helper had not showed.
So I offered to help him.
With some minimal instruction, I was able to operate the front loader.
Spent about 7 hours on the front loader making probably a couple hundred trips.
What a mind numbing, boring job, and I had aches and pains everywhere during evening and night.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: Bee Farmer on November 14, 2018, 06:56:13 PM
A front end loader or a skid steer with a bucket?  A true front end loader isn't so bad, as it has softer tires and a better seat.  A skid steer will beat you up though.

You should have gotten on the excavator.  A lot smoother ride and easy to run.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: BillyB on November 14, 2018, 09:26:37 PM
A front end loader or a skid steer with a bucket? 


Front end loader is a generic term and skid steer falls into that category. If ML used his feet to operate the bucket and hands to get the machine to travel, he was in a skid steer loader. If he used his feet to get the machine to travel and hands to operate the bucket, he was in a track or wheel loader.

What a mind numbing, boring job,


Carving out dirt is a form of artwork.


I had aches and pains everywhere during evening and night.


You can get used to it. Using your body everyday will make you tougher than nails. With experience you'd get better at working the machines. A good operator would've created a smooth surface to travel on so he wouldn't feel every bump and hole while travelling.


Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: msmob on November 14, 2018, 11:30:01 PM
You married men, or men in long term relationship with FSUW.

Have you noticed that your gal often doesn't answer the question you asked; but rather answers another somewhat related (or possibly even unrelated) question?

I don't think they are being deliberately antagonistic, but just something in their character causes it.

It is getting a little tiresome for me.

Two possible scenarios

1/ She understand your question -seems unlikely

2/ She DID understand - but didn't think it important enough to answer - bur as you raised a matter - comes back with something on HER mind ?.....

Why not mention this - with and appropriate smile and wink and answer HER question... and not bother about yours ...


THEN next time she answers you a question - YOU do her 'thang' and just hint that she shoudl know you are being ironic

IF she does it a third time and doesn't take the hint - smile at her and give her just enough time to understand that she is about to be 'punished' ...

After when she is wondering - what was all THAT about ? Explain, you just want her to be as confused as you get ?



Please note that this might back fire - but at least - if she becomes angry - rather than passionate - you can discuss if may be there's a communication / relationship problem ?

Things that 'irritate' when times are good can become MAJOR issues when things are 'bad' - you best to talk 'em trough - if you can ?

I adored my ( nearly ) former wife and 'forgave' some character flaws ( me being being so 'perfect' )  and it is only AFTER being dumped by her - and living with SC - that I appreciate how unreasonable she could be.

ML, you ave posted about shakey times in your relationship in the past and then we noted no mentions disagreements - so we were all pleased for you both.. You are very proud of her and we've seen the way you've posting adoring comments.

I hope you can work it through and laugh about, after ...








Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on November 16, 2018, 09:28:02 AM
Here is a picture of Case Track Loader like I used.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: GQBlues on November 16, 2018, 09:44:22 AM
Holy Loader Batman! You missed the word 'compact' in there ML.  :P I guess that model came before AM/FM radio and cup holder features, no?

Must not be a very deep basement since the buckets looks like a half-a-yard bucket. At 200 trips means you moved 100 CY in 7 hours!!!! I can move dirt faster than that with 2 labors sharing a shovel in 7 hours!

You're fired! BillyB can employ you instead... :P

Seriously though, the newer model do have better ride. These loaders are a multi-functioning equipment doing general chores around farms and such.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on November 16, 2018, 10:13:07 AM
I said it was 'like' the one I used.  Just found that pic in a quick search on Internet.
The one I used has already been moved out, and a crew is on the property now erecting the panels used to frame up for pouring of concrete basement walls.

And, I didn't have nearly full loads each trip.  There was a lot of rock that was being chipped out and it was hard for me to get it cleaned up and into a load, with my great inexperience.

Just yesterday and this morning I used the same man's small excavator to dig out some small and medium stumps on another of my parcels I will prepare for sale.  That was also a new and exciting experience for me, and I am sure it took me 10X as long to do it as for you and Billy.

But it is something different for me to do (compared to my normal paperwork and computer stuff) while wifey is off to university.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: GQBlues on November 16, 2018, 11:11:18 AM
...But it is something different for me to do (compared to my normal paperwork and computer stuff) while wifey is off to university.

Yeah, I know what you mean..

Back during the infancy days of my career, I spent a lot of Saturdays behind D9s/D8s and 651s, 633s, and 637/57s..They weren't for production purposes, but rather more for acclimation of what these various equipment can do. I literally move a pile from one point to another, then over again and start over.

Today, I sit behind computers, make calls, make deals, tell people what to do, sign here/sign there, etc...lazy stuff  :P

The basements we dig are at least 2 acres big (bigger the better), could be one story on down to 5-6 stories down depending on building designs (underground parking, etc.). We use 349 excavators/966 loaders, etc...loading bottom-dumps. Walls are shored with rakers, tiebacks, struts and braces.

Site development grading is a whole different operation. That's when we move mountains or rearrange massive terrain for whatever developmental purposes is planned...

I agree with you - field work is a bunch of fun. Tough, but more fun than sitting in the office all day.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: BillyB on November 16, 2018, 10:19:16 PM
Here is a picture of Case Track Loader like I used.

That's a skid steer loader with tracks.

And, I didn't have nearly full loads each trip.


As you're entering a pile of dirt, lift up the bucket to add weight to the tires or tracks of a loader to get better traction which would allow you to get more in the bucket.

Today, I sit behind computers, make calls, make deals, tell people what to do, sign here/sign there, etc...lazy stuff  :P


I do that too but occasionally go out with the guys. I like working outdoors more than indoors. I soil cemented the sub-grade and graded the capillary break within a half an inch tolerance with the Komatsu 200 excavator I'm taking the photo from below. Although I'm operating equipment less, I haven't forgotten. I want to comb your hair and shave off ML's mustache using an excavator for all your grooming needs. I think I still got the delicate touch.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on December 12, 2018, 12:14:34 PM
Ochka received her ten year Green Card in mail today.

We filed her Citizenship papers last week, and have Biomentrics scheduled for afternoon of 24 December.
Any chance the USCIS workers will be drunk when we arrive ??
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: BillyB on December 12, 2018, 12:28:10 PM
Grats. How green is her card?
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on December 12, 2018, 12:41:52 PM
Light green color covers about half of front of card.  Also some light red (actually pink), blue and gray-white on front.  Back about 3/4 covered with the light green color.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: msmob on December 12, 2018, 12:45:24 PM
Ochka received her ten year Green Card in mail today.
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Great early Christmas 'gift'....Congratulations !
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: JayH on December 13, 2018, 01:23:56 AM
  Congrats Ochka -- and of course to ML ! :clapping: ;D
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on December 21, 2018, 10:14:14 AM
Would you believe we need to be at USCIS office Monday to get Ochka finger printed for her Citizenship process.

And government shut down looming.

As I understand it, the processing of Green Cards, Citizenship, etc., is funded by the fees paid by applicants.

But still . . . will USCIS be part of the shut down ??

I suspect it will be impossible to get timely info on whether offices are actually closed or not.
One cannot call an office directly, and the central phone answering people are generally clueless about everything including . . . what year we are in and what day of the week it is.

Not a minor point for us, unlike many others who live in big cities, because we have a two hour drive each way.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: SteveInBoston on December 21, 2018, 10:54:15 AM
From what I've read only B1 business or similar visas that require interface with the Department of Labor will be affected by the shutdown, as far as USCIS is concerned (as you said, it is a fee-paid department and work under contract).

But I think staff reductions might be a possibility, and perhaps reduced office hours, but not a total shutdown.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on December 21, 2018, 11:02:08 AM
If USCIS office is in a Federal Building, it will be shut down as building will be closed.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: GQBlues on December 21, 2018, 11:15:27 AM
USCIS (DHS) will continue to work albeit without pay. Once the shutdown comes to pass, their 'pay' will be restored.

No chance to turn back for you ML. She will be fingerprinted....
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: flitabout62 on December 21, 2018, 11:48:20 AM
Here's where I would expect :-\ USCIS to provide closing information.
 
http://www.uscis.gov/about-us/uscis-office-closings
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: GQBlues on December 21, 2018, 12:50:57 PM
Here's where I would expect :-\ USCIS to provide closing information.
 
http://www.uscis.gov/about-us/uscis-office-closings

Awesome! Completely slipped my mind Monday being Christmas eve... :o

http://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/executive-order-providing-closing-executive-departments-agencies-federal-government-december-24-2018/
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on December 21, 2018, 03:26:01 PM
Thanks flitabout62 and GQ for the info.
I was planning to make a hotel reservation today for Sunday night so we could go to the big city early Sunday, have a nice meal, take in some entertainment and then go to Monday USCIS appointment.

But luckily, I remembered about the possible shut down, so decided to hold off on hotel reservation until Saturday or even Sunday morning.  Saw that the hotels giving big discounts because not many travelers to those hotels.

This will screw us up because a rescheduled appointment will come during Spring semester, so lost classroom time, perhaps exams to make up, etc.

Kind of not nice either that the order was signed 18 December, but just promulgated 21 December.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on December 21, 2018, 03:32:36 PM
And speaking of wife's PhD classes, her first semester has ended.
She took 4 courses.
3 A+ and 1 A.
I gave her grief about the one 'plain' A.
She said that professor never gives + or - signs.
I told her that was no excuse and to do better in the Spring !!!
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on January 02, 2019, 09:58:16 AM
Four years married now just before Christmas day !!

Not as long as many here . . . but moving along.

A lot of 'tensions' in our life with university pressures, working to sell parcels of land, immigration and citizenship filings, property holdings in multiple countries, problems with international banking transactions, helping her relatives, some health issues for both of us, etc., etc., etc.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on January 06, 2019, 11:02:48 AM
Ochka is busy making up all the 'required' foods for tonight's Christmas Eve and tomorrow's Christmas day.

Unfortunately, tomorrow is first day of classes for Spring semester at University.

In Ukraine, they are celebrating Christmas on both the traditional day and on Dec 25th.
Some move toward going to Dec 25th completely, as Ochka hears it.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: msmob on January 06, 2019, 11:11:55 AM

In Ukraine, they are celebrating Christmas on both the traditional day and on Dec 25th.
Some move toward going to Dec 25th completely, as Ochka hears it.

I expect this will be the case - as they will move closer to the Greek Orthodox calendars ... this may mean a 'catholic' Christmas on the 25th Dec and the Orthodox Easter ...



Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on January 06, 2019, 11:19:30 AM
I expect this will be the case - as they will move closer to the Greek Orthodox calendars ... this may mean a 'catholic' Christmas on the 25th Dec and the Orthodox Easter ...

You are misusing 'Catholic' just like many in FSU do.
You are leaving out Protestants.

I have tried to train Ochka to properly refer to 'Western Christians' rather than 'Catholics' when she wishes to differentiate dates, practices, etc. from Orthodox Christians.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: msmob on January 06, 2019, 11:34:19 AM
You are misusing 'Catholic' just like many in FSU do.
You are leaving out Protestants.

Hi ML- most defo not ))

on this side of the pond the use of the small 'c' in 'catholic' denotes all embracing...I'm guessing it means the same there? ! .....  If I meant to say 'Roman Catholic' it would have a capital 'C'...

I am Protestant ... !   

Church of Ireland / Scotland and England Churches say this format of the Apostle's Creed

"I believe in God, the Father almighty,
creator of heaven and earth.
I believe in Jesus Christ, God's only Son, our Lord,
who was conceived by the Holy Spirit,
born of the Virgin Mary,
suffered under Pontius Pilate,
was crucified, died, and was buried;
he descended to the dead.
On the third day he rose again;
he ascended into heaven,
he is seated at the right hand of the Father,
and he will come to judge the living and the dead.
I believe in the Holy Spirit,
the holy catholic Church,
the communion of saints,
the forgiveness of sins,
the resurrection of the body,
and the life everlasting.

Amen.


 


Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on January 07, 2019, 09:58:17 AM
Moby, OK I see where you are coming from.

However, in practice, probably 99% of persons who hear the word catholic will assume that Roman Catholic is meant.  Any thought that they might be thought of as Roman Catholic is very distasteful to many people.

So to avoid this situation, it is far better to refer to Western Christian when one wishes to distinguish from Orthodox Christian.

In further recognition of this desire for clarity, some Protestant churches avoid using the term (catholic) completely, to the extent among many Lutherans of reciting the Creed with the word "Christian" in place of "catholic". (Wikipedia)
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: krimster2 on January 07, 2019, 11:01:17 AM
Ecclesia Catholica Alchoholika
A unique new fragrance by Chanel...
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: msmob on January 08, 2019, 05:45:49 AM
Thanks for the response ML...  appreciated !
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on January 09, 2019, 11:54:34 AM
Went up to the 'big city' for Ochka's fingerprinting and picture taking for the citizenship process.

One and a half hours to two hours drive for us and appointment at 9AM, so we decided to drive up night before and stay at hotel.  Even being only 10 minutes away, still just made it on time for the 9AM appointment.  I am slow getting around, not her.

Ochka heard Ukrainian language, so asked me if she should go talk with  them.  I said yes.
This couple and their teenage son had won the Green Card lottery.
They were living in the big city, but took them two hours to get there via public transportation.
I wonder about how well these lottery winners can support themselves, but I think there is some sort of financial test they have to pass.

Ochka is always smiling and bubbly, but I detected that the other couple was sort of 'stand offish.'  Perhaps they are sensitive to various scams, etc., and are leery about trusting someone.

Each time we go to the USCIS office I get upset about the number of workers doing virtually nothing, yet the processing times are ridiculous.  Took about 18 months for spouse's 10 year green card and now projected another year or so for Citizenship process.

There were 3 security guards at the check-in scratching their asses.
The fingerprinting and photos done by one guy, and he had a supervisor in an adjacent office.  Each time we have been there (4 times) there were only 2 other people being serviced.
Over in the interview area, the workers were mostly gossiping while the clients waited patiently in their seats.

This processing is funded by the applicants, but we have no control over wasted time and the hiring/firing.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: Arti99 on January 14, 2019, 06:54:45 AM
I expect this will be the case - as they will move closer to the Greek ukraine mariage (http://www.femme-ukraine.com/) Orthodox calendars ... this may mean a 'catholic' Christmas on the 25th Dec and the Orthodox Easter ...
Hello; i will reply in French :
"Pourquoi certains orthodoxes fêtent-ils Noël après les catholiques
La période de préparation aux fêtes de la Nativité ne s'appelle pas « Avent » mais « Carême de Noël », période de jeûne qui commence 40 jours avant la fête, du 28 (15) novembre, jour de la fête du l'apôtre Philippe (c'est pourquoi cette période est parfois appelée aussi « Carême de Philippe »), au 6 janvier (24 décembre). Les deux dimanches précédant Noël sont appelés respectivement « Dimanche des Ancêtres », consacré aux patriarches et prophètes de l'Ancien Testament, et « Dimanche des Pères », consacré aux parents du Christ selon la chair, tels qu'ils apparaissent dans les Généalogies du Seigneur.
Le 24 décembre (6 janvier), on célèbre les Vêpres de Noël puis une première Liturgie eucharistique au cours de laquelle on proclame l'Évangile de la Nativité. L'office de Minuit comporte les Grandes complies, les Matines, puis une seconde Liturgie eucharistique, avec le canon de saint Jean Chrysostome, lors de laquelle on proclame l'Évangile de la venue des Rois Mages. Le 8 janvier, appelé « Synaxe de la Mère de Dieu », on célèbre l'Eucharistie en l'honneur de la Vierge Marie. Douze jours plus tard, le 6 (19) janvier, les orientaux fêtent l'Épiphanie ou Théophanie, au cours de laquelle ils célèbrent le Baptême le Seigneur."
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: msmob on January 15, 2019, 12:49:33 AM
Arti99

I do not appreciate you editing my post to include a spam advert for a marriage agency site ..

Desperate and pretty deceptive ...


I hope others will avoid such stunts ...

Mods :

Feel free to delete my post if you decide Arti99's response was spamming

Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on January 29, 2019, 05:10:12 PM
Frequently there are visitors to various departments at universities who present their research progress and/or conclusions.  The math department is no exception.  Doctoral students are required to attend at least 5 of these presentations each semester.

Last Friday a presentation started at 3:00 PM.  The presenter asked how long he had.

The Math Dept Head said (with a smile):  These are all Math folks; they have nothing to do or any place to go on Friday afternoons . . . so you can talk as long as you want to.

When Ochka got home she told me of this, and then asked what I thought the response would be had she spoken up and said:  I do need to get home soon for pizza and sex!!

My kind of Gal !!
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: Boethius on January 29, 2019, 05:18:49 PM
So which takes precedence?

This post was composed without the aid of google.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on January 29, 2019, 05:27:07 PM
Well luckily the talk did not go on too long . . . so she was able to accomplish all required and desired tasks in a timely manner.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: DCcowboy on January 29, 2019, 07:01:11 PM
At least it is open until the 15th, good deal she was a able to get in,the military was never shut down.

:cluebat: edit: note to self read the thread before replying :cluebat:
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on February 11, 2019, 11:01:13 AM
You will be amazed and stunned by this woman's talent and creativity; at least I was.
First is her performance in AGT World Champion Contest in January 2019

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clGC1K7882E

Second is her winning performance for Ukrainian Got Talent Contest in 2009
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOMgDbcA84A

This portrays the rape of Ukraine by Germany in WWII, which is now being continued by the rape of Ukraine starting in 2014 and continuing currently by Russian terrorist forces.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: msmob on February 11, 2019, 12:36:47 PM
I've raved and posted the works of Kseniya Simonova since she was pointed out to me in 2009 - before she went on to win Ukraine's got Talent

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kseniya_Simonova#cite_note-:14-51 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kseniya_Simonova#cite_note-:14-51)
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on February 11, 2019, 02:24:09 PM
I've raved and posted the works of Kseniya Simonova since she was pointed out to me in 2009 - before she went on to win Ukraine's got Talent

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kseniya_Simonova#cite_note-:14-51 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kseniya_Simonova#cite_note-:14-51)

Thanks for that reference point.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: msmob on February 12, 2019, 12:55:30 AM
My bad..



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kseniya_Simonova (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kseniya_Simonova)
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on February 19, 2019, 02:50:02 PM
Ochka got notice in US mail today that her Naturalization interview has been scheduled for late March 2019.

A big surprise because all previous correspondence had indicated a target date of August 2019.

At the interview she will be tested on reading, writing and speaking English; and on her knowledge of the government and history of the United States.

She will have no trouble with the English and, although the second part is not that difficult, it will still be a hassle to study for given her heavy course load already.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: DaveNY on February 19, 2019, 03:03:51 PM
Ochka got notice in US mail today that her Naturalization interview has been scheduled for late March 2019.

A big surprise because all previous correspondence had indicated a target date of August 2019.

At the interview she will be tested on reading, writing and speaking English; and on her knowledge of the government and history of the United States.

She will have no trouble with the English and, although the second part is not that difficult, it will still be a hassle to study for given her heavy course load already.

The part about American history and how the US government works isn't difficult. There are videos on Youtube that will give her all the information.

My wife had no problems with the American history part of the test. I doubt she spent much more than 5 or 6 hours reading and testing herself in the months prior to the interview. I'd quiz her from time to time. 

She met people who passed the English knowledge test who couldn't do much more than say Hello and Thank you and count to 100 yet they somehow passed the English comprehension test.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on February 19, 2019, 03:11:58 PM
Dave, yes I know the government and history part is not difficult stuff.
But that is not the point for wife.

She has practically zero time for such given her existing coursework and teaching.
We were expecting August, which would have given her several summer hours to spend on the study.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: krimster2 on February 19, 2019, 05:35:05 PM
ahh I remember those days!!!
yes, get the most recent cheat sheet off the interweb and print it
leave on the kitchen table go over and help her memorize the questions, my wife said cheat sheet was essentially the actual test
my wife knew EVEN LESS than the average Trump voter about American History and System of Government
my wife actually has a negative score on this subject, meaning not only has she zero points but she's able to lower the points of people in close proximity of her
BUT she memorized the cheat sheet and got nearly a perfect score
I took all the credit of course for the cheat sheet
as my reward for helping
every morning for a month my wife had to sit naked at the foot of the bed with her feet tucked under her
her back arched and her breasts protruding straight forward
and she must ask me, "yes, master how may I serve you?"
and whatever I say, she has to do it, no matter what it is
and you know what's really bad?
I didn't tell her the correct time, I got 37 instead of 31 days!!!!
anyway, it worked for me!
you can use it if you want
got any of your own?

if ya gotta Russian woman problem...
in yur neigh-bor-hood!
who ya gonna call?
Russ Busters!

slovo!

Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: Jamesukjames on February 19, 2019, 08:51:25 PM
Master.  I prefer to be called sir.  It certainly makes waiters and bar tenders do a double take when your partner calls you sir in public.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: Jamesukjames on February 19, 2019, 09:06:23 PM
American history.  Deny Viking landings.  Slaughter indigenous population or use bio logical weapons against them as in diseases they were not immune too.  Slaughter indigenous peoples food source.  Turn up late for 2 world wars and from then on meddle and try to influence the whole world as the self declared leaders of the world claim Christianity for the usa .  Try to hoard and control world resources.  Like all civilisations from as far back in time as you can go start to collapse under it's own weight.  There you go usa history in a nut shell.  Apart from the internal mess of intolerant cultures and races.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: krimster2 on February 19, 2019, 09:16:05 PM
i say old chap, but weren't all those things in fact done by English Men?
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: DaveNY on February 19, 2019, 09:59:20 PM
American history.  Deny Viking landings. 

Actually a number of American universities have done studies on Vikings trips to modern day Canada and the US. There've been studies that have suggested the Vikings might have gotten as far as parts of the central US. Don't recall any studies saying the Vikings didn't land in the US. If these studies exist they'd probably be outnumbered by studies of Viking travels in the US.

Slaughter indigenous population or use bio logical weapons against them as in diseases they were not immune too.  Slaughter indigenous peoples food source.

Jamesukjames did you study UK and US history in school? Long before the US existed the UK and other European powers were in the Americas fighting indigenous peoples and stealing their food and resources.

These same European powers were doing the same in Africa and parts of Asia at the same time. When you have a moment google the map of the countries that the UK has invaded. It covers most of the world. 

Turn up late for 2 world wars

Both world wars started in Europe. Enough said.

and from then on meddle and try to influence the whole world as the self declared leaders of the world

The UK did the same for centuries in years past. UK fought France and Spain to maintain that title. Besides as mentioned above Europe wasn't very stable for most of the 20th century so some country had to take charge.

claim Christianity for the usa .

Haven't heard of that particular claim although the FBI and other law enforcement agencies have charged many clergy in the Catholic Church with child rape. Is that what you're referring to?


 Try to hoard and control world resources.

Again I mention in the past when the UK was a world power they raped and plundered countries around the globe for food and resources. The US  has a great deal of resources. Add in agreements with Canadian companies and in North America alone we have considerably more. If you read the business section you'll see China is doing the same. Striking deals with Russia and countries in Asia and especially Africa.


Like all civilisations from as far back in time as you can go start to collapse under it's own weight.  There you go usa history in a nut shell.  Apart from the internal mess of intolerant cultures and races.

True. Greece eventually fell. Rome eventually fell. The Mongol Empire eventually fell. The UK eventually fell. Like all superpowers or empires eventually America will be #2 or worse to some new superpower(s). It will likely be a while though.

China has enough problems and many have speculated that China won't be able to make the leap to #1 global superpower due to internal and external struggles. I could be wrong, perhaps any children you might have should learn Mandarin? Personally I think the world would be far worse off if China and/or Russia were the world's only superpower(s). 

http://www.scmp.com/culture/books/article/2119810/jonathan-fenby-why-china-will-not-rule-world-21st-century-subject-his
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on March 09, 2019, 12:21:28 PM
I am confined to house with a bad cold.
Wife is out bringing in firewood for our wood furnace.
I feel bad about that.
Even worse, next week is her Spring Semester break and we had planned a lot of outdoor work.

But to cheer me up:  (1) a 6,000 square foot house is under construction in my development.
(2) Possibly will sell another acre parcel in next few weeks.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on March 15, 2019, 09:36:32 PM
Wife is making some progress on the 100 Citizenship Questions despite only having time to read through one time.
I made note of the 15 or so she stumbled around with, and will retest her on those.
Only about 11 days to go.

How many of you knew that Maine and Vermont were not part of the original 13 states . . . liars.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: jone on March 15, 2019, 11:51:00 PM
Wife is making some progress on the 100 Citizenship Questions despite only having time to read through one time.
I made note of the 15 or so she stumbled around with, and will retest her on those.
Only about 11 days to go.

How many of you knew that Maine and Vermont were not part of the original 13 states . . . liars.

Hah.  All you have to do is look at the dates on the quarters you have in your pocket.  Those quarters came out based on the date that the state joined the union - or in the case of the original 13 colonies, when they ratified the constitution.   First state?   Delaware., etc.  How many remember when West Virginia became a state .... and why?
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on March 16, 2019, 10:50:05 AM
How many remember when West Virginia became a state .... and why?

I was sick a lot around that time period, so don't remember a lot of what happened.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on March 21, 2019, 10:25:11 PM
I am scheduled for hernia operation in about 10 days; right in the belly button.

Man was out today to haul off some timber I gave away (he has small sawmill).

We were talking about many things and I mentioned the above.

He gave me the good news that a neighbor of his had the same operation 12 years ago.
Infection developed and spread and never was controlled.  He died.

I was glad Ochka wasn't here to hear it.

But it reminded me again that my financial state of affairs is extremely complicated and I don't think I can ever get it laid out so that Ochka (or anyone) can understand it all.  And I have even simplified it greatly in past 5 years or so (selling off a lot, closing out partnerships, interests in small businesses [I took a lot of ownership positions in lieu of cash for helping get them started], etc.) compared to previously.

Also realized that I have 7 or more email accounts with some info going to various ones [all for good reasons, at least originally] and dozens of passwords for accessing and paying bills (not much paper arriving now) and passwords for various investment accounts, etc., etc., etc.

A real mess for anyone, and even getting difficult for me to keep track of.

We do have updated wills, living medical powers, etc.

Fortunately we go for Ochka's citizenship interview next week, before my operation.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: Gator on March 22, 2019, 08:17:42 AM
ML,

First, the hernia surgery is simple.  I am a survivor.  Demand that your surgeon select a proven fabric. 

The surgery is necessary; otherwise, your intestine could become impinged, and that indeed risks fatal infection. Think about that if you now and then take trips to Ukraine or to Upper Bum**ck.

Regarding your financial affairs, it sounds as if you are already simplifying.  Good!  Along this line, I suggest you consolidate your investment accounts into two.  If you have not done it already, complete the beneficiary designation such that your heirs will have immediate access to your account without any legal entanglements.  One of your two remaining accounts should be with an active trustworthy manager (broker) who has performed well.  The manager can help Ochka, who perhaps is not competent about stock investments.  She and other heirs may elect to transfer your self-managed account to the manager. 

Do you have a complicated set of heirs, such as children.  If so, be careful in selecting your Estate Executor.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: msmob on March 22, 2019, 08:25:03 AM
I am scheduled for hernia operation in about 10 days; right in the belly button.

Man was out today to haul off some timber I gave away (he has small sawmill).

We were talking about many things and I mentioned the above.

He gave me the good news that a neighbor of his had the same operation 12 years ago.
Infection developed and spread and never was controlled.  He died.


You will be fine !))



Also realized that I have 7 or more email accounts with some info going to various ones [all for good reasons, at least originally] and dozens of passwords for accessing and paying bills (not much paper arriving now) and passwords for various investment accounts, etc., etc., etc.

A real mess for anyone, and even getting difficult for me to keep track of.



Did senality just kick in?

Only a few days ago your were espousing the figures of VM trips and an organised mind ,))

I am teasing..
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: Patagonie on March 22, 2019, 08:49:29 AM
The surgeon will be too afraid to manage so many passwords and accounts, so don't worry he will do his best to let you survive.
 :P
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on March 22, 2019, 10:35:17 AM


A real mess for anyone, and even getting difficult for me to keep track of.




Did senality just kick in?

Only a few days ago your were espousing the figures of VM trips and an organised mind ,))

I am teasing..

Actually you are on the right track.
I also had some neurological tests . . . and I only got 60% or so on the short term memory ability part.
Really frightens me because I have had unusual memory abilities my entire life.
I think the short term memory goes first, before the long term memory.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on March 22, 2019, 10:35:40 AM
The surgeon will be too afraid to manage so many passwords and accounts, so don't worry he will do his best to let you survive.
 :P

Thanks Pat.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on March 22, 2019, 10:36:24 AM
ML,

First, the hernia surgery is simple.  I am a survivor.  Demand that your surgeon select a proven fabric. 

The surgery is necessary; otherwise, your intestine could become impinged, and that indeed risks fatal infection. Think about that if you now and then take trips to Ukraine or to Upper Bum**ck.

Regarding your financial affairs, it sounds as if you are already simplifying.  Good!  Along this line, I suggest you consolidate your investment accounts into two.  If you have not done it already, complete the beneficiary designation such that your heirs will have immediate access to your account without any legal entanglements.  One of your two remaining accounts should be with an active trustworthy manager (broker) who has performed well.  The manager can help Ochka, who perhaps is not competent about stock investments.  She and other heirs may elect to transfer your self-managed account to the manager. 

Do you have a complicated set of heirs, such as children.  If so, be careful in selecting your Estate Executor.

Thanks for your 'pep' talk and the good advice.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: Maxx2 on March 22, 2019, 11:00:52 AM

Really frightens me because I have had unusual memory abilities my entire life.
I think the short term memory goes first, before the long term memory.


I never did and my short term memory ... what was I going to say?   ;)


I read somewhere that with the growing epidemic of type 2 diabetes so is Alzheimer's. That demential is really diabetes of the brain. That is the glucose is having difficulty with insulin resistance of the brain cells so the brain cells start to deteriorate and die. I've read the alternative to glucose for energy is ketones, which are much smaller molecules than glucose and penetrate the blood-brain barrier easily. They are also not affected by insulin resistance. I hate bring this up because the suggestion of hope is often slapped down. 


Anyway ML, I hope things get better for us.   

Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: Gator on March 22, 2019, 03:30:35 PM

I think the short term memory goes first, before the long term memory.

It's true.  To prove it to yourself, start naming friends from your youth, from your business days, and from  a few months ago. 

Do not fret if you forget where you placed you car keys.  Sadly, if you were to hand car keys to someone affected with Alzheimer's, they would not know the purpose of the keys.  If asked to draw a clock, they are unable to place hourly numbers in correct position. 

Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: msmob on March 22, 2019, 08:12:44 PM
It's true.  To prove it to yourself, start naming friends from your youth, from your business days, and from  a few months ago. 



Do not fret if you forget where you placed you car keys.  Sadly, if you were to hand car keys to someone affected with Alzheimer's, they would not know the purpose of the keys.  If asked to draw a clock, they are unable to place hourly numbers in correct position.

Oh, no!  My Mum is no longer allowed to drive.. She has been diagnosed as having Alzheimer's....She knows EXACTLY what the keys to her Range Rover look like..)).

She is on some new medication that has brought 'the old Mum' back to us...  and BOY does she know those keys.. ((

4 months ago, if you left one's own car keys around.. you might never see them again...

God bless pharmaceutical geniuses.

Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on March 24, 2019, 10:11:34 AM
Periodically but not often, wife asks me what are the discussions here.
I tell her they are mostly about politics.

She says . . . where are the romance stories ??
Typical female.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: Maxx2 on March 24, 2019, 11:04:28 AM

She is on some new medication that has brought 'the old Mum' back to us...  and BOY does she know those keys.. ((



Do you know how it works?
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: JohnDearGreen on March 24, 2019, 02:44:14 PM
First, the hernia surgery is simple.  I am a survivor.  Demand that your surgeon select a proven fabric. 
The surgery is necessary; otherwise, your intestine could become impinged, and that indeed risks fatal infection. T
That was the previous recommendation.  Now they tend to recommend "watch and wait".  Wait until you are feeling minor discomfort.  As only a few out of 1000 have the issue,  and the percentage of problems after the surgery is just as high.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: msmob on March 24, 2019, 09:11:09 PM

Do you know how it works?


No..and I do not want to know..in case of side effects!)
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: Maxx2 on March 25, 2019, 09:28:03 AM

No..and I do not want to know..in case of side effects!)


Knowing your mother's condition may help you know what to watch out for in yourself. Or what diet or dietary method you should consider to counter a condition you might inherit.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: msmob on March 25, 2019, 09:32:21 AM

Knowing your mother's condition may help you know what to watch out for in yourself. Or what diet or dietary method you should consider to counter a condition you might inherit.

If I get to 80 as fit and healthy as she was....I will be happy..

I see nothing in her diet..I do see a genetic pattern ((
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: Maxx2 on March 26, 2019, 12:58:06 AM
If I get to 80 as fit and healthy as she was....I will be happy..

I see nothing in her diet..I do see a genetic pattern ((


I got lots to say about that but I'll (If I don't forget  ;) ) do it later.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: msmob on March 26, 2019, 01:05:00 AM
 :thumbsup:
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on March 26, 2019, 07:42:25 AM
Off to the big city for Ochka's Citizenship Interview and Testing.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: msmob on March 26, 2019, 10:45:43 AM
Good luck
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: Gator on March 26, 2019, 02:57:32 PM
It will be a walk on the beach.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: msmob on March 26, 2019, 03:03:55 PM
If it's like a Sochi one - big stones - one can fall over v. easily ..;)

I think it will be a soft. sandy one
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on March 26, 2019, 05:11:26 PM
Wife passed Citizenship Tests which  consisted of 1) Written English, 2) Spoken English, 3) U.S. History and 4) U.S. Government.

To celebrate, we went to restaurant where we spent more than $20.

Oath Ceremony to be scheduled.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: BillyB on March 26, 2019, 09:19:57 PM

Great news for Ochka! Congratulations!
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: msmob on March 26, 2019, 11:05:27 PM
Happy for both of you!
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: Maxx2 on March 27, 2019, 01:57:54 AM
Congratulations ML and Ochka!
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: Patagonie on March 27, 2019, 02:31:28 AM
Congrats ML
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: Gator on March 27, 2019, 07:27:01 AM

Oath Ceremony to be scheduled.

Excellent. 

Ochka can register to vote after taking the oath. 

At our ceremony, the county registrar of voters (supervisor of elections) sent 3 representatives to help new citizens complete registration documents.   It seemed most of the 50 new citizens formed a line and completed the registration document.   Perhaps those not registering were residents of a different county.       
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: Hammer2722 on March 27, 2019, 08:00:08 AM
Wife passed Citizenship Tests which  consisted of 1) Written English, 2) Spoken English, 3) U.S. History and 4) U.S. Government.

To celebrate, we went to restaurant where we spent more than $20.

Oath Ceremony to be scheduled.

Damn, big spender! Congrats to you both!  :clapping:
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on March 29, 2019, 10:32:15 AM
Quote from: ML on March 26, 2019, 07:11:26 PM

To celebrate, we went to restaurant where we spent more than $20.

Damn, big spender! Congrats to you both!  :clapping:

I was attempting a 'Pavlov' here, but only got one mild rebuke. 
I am disappointed.
Actually, it was one of our largest restaurant bills ever.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on March 29, 2019, 10:46:25 AM
This morning I was reflecting on what an amazing woman my wife is.

No, I am not inferring that she is greater than many other wives whether local or imported, nor that all (or even most) FSU women will be amazing women.

Nor am I stating that we don't have recurring problems or that it is guaranteed that all will be fine forever.

In her specific instance:

She is taking an overload of PhD courses and teaching a course herself.
She is doing this in a language which is not native to her.
She went through the anxiety and study (even as not difficult) for Citizenship Interview.
She takes almost complete care of all household duties.
She is continuing some yard and garden work.  If I go out to do anything, I tell her to stay in and do her school work, but within minutes she is out working also.
She will soon be tending to a husband who has gone  through an operation.  Minor or not, she will have to miss classes, go through the anxiety, etc.
Even with all of the above, she is always willing for any sex, either just quick for her or long for the both of us.

Oh, and most amazing of all . . . she puts up with me . . . and even smiles.

Could I do the above if it were I on the 'doing' end?  No, I could not.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on March 29, 2019, 10:59:12 AM
Speaking of sex . . . which you know I am always reluctant to do.

Recently Dan posted about Jack Bragg.

How many of you remember this about Jack going back 10-15 years or so ago?

He had just gone through divorce with his Ukrainian trophy wife from Odesa after (what) 6-10 years of marriage.  (As I recall, she wanted children after affirming to him for many years that she did not.  But, of course, she may have a different story.).

He gave an interview to a magazine (was it GQ or some such) wherein he was still (of course as promoter of his business) praising the FSU women.

He said:  "Not once in 6-10 years (or whatever) did she ever have a headache; not once!"

That has been my experience also.

What about the rest of you men (and women)?
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: msmob on March 29, 2019, 11:15:48 AM
I'll probably NOT get married if I answer that Q ...   safe to say, SC doesn't get headaches, either ..

Will that change if married ?


A long time ago I knew someone who said, "Get a giant WhiskEy bottle and put a coin in every time you have sex"... When you get married, "take it out every time you have sex  ... you will not need to borrow from the bank"  ..

He was not married to a FSU woman

Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: GenMish on March 29, 2019, 04:57:02 PM
Speaking of sex . . . which you know I am always reluctant to do.

Recently Dan posted about Jack Bragg.

How many of you remember this about Jack going back 10-15 years or so ago?

He had just gone through divorce with his Ukrainian trophy wife from Odesa after (what) 6-10 years of marriage.  (As I recall, she wanted children after affirming to him for many years that she did not.  But, of course, she may have a different story.).

He gave an interview to a magazine (was it GQ or some such) wherein he was still (of course as promoter of his business) praising the FSU women.

He said:  "Not once in 6-10 years (or whatever) did she ever have a headache; not once!"

That has been my experience also.

What about the rest of you men (and women)?


38 years experience, 3 WW LT relationships, one FSU wife, none of the 4 ever had a headache. Only one WW(German/Irish mix) thought everyday was too much , but her 3-4 days a week were really worth the wait. What made my FSU wife stand out was 365 days a year(at least for the first 16-17 years), not just 26 days a month. And those 4 days days were just as exciting as the other 26. I never asked, it was not an expectation, just something she wanted to do.


  lol....with my American GFs, it would have been suicde to expect something those 4 days
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: jone on March 29, 2019, 06:04:34 PM

38 years experience, 3 WW LT relationships, one FSU wife, none of the 4 ever had a headache. Only one WW(German/Irish mix) thought everyday was too much , but her 3-4 days a week were really worth the wait. What made my FSU wife stand out was 365 days a year(at least for the first 16-17 years), not just 26 days a month. And those 4 days days were just as exciting as the other 26. I never asked, it was not an expectation, just something she wanted to do.


  lol....with my American GFs, it would have been suicde to expect something those 4 days

Which four days?
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: GenMish on March 30, 2019, 06:28:34 AM
Which four days?

The 4 days all the dark chocolate in the house disappears
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on April 01, 2019, 01:35:39 PM
I am in for 'belly button' surgery at 10:45 AM tomorrow.

If I don't survive, the gang will need to elect someone to take over my role here and carry it out properly.

I saw spouse adding up all numbers from our various financial accounts, and looking at tickets for Tahiti.

Just joking; I didn't actually see her doing it.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: Boethius on April 01, 2019, 01:49:10 PM
Good luck, ML.  I am certain everything will be fine. 8)


This post was composed without the aid of google.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: DaveNY on April 01, 2019, 02:12:28 PM
Had a colonoscopy a few years ago. My wife dropped me off at the hospital in the morning and when she came back to pick me up a few hours later she remarked that she just found out how cheap it was to fly to Paris and live in Paris. She's always wanted to live in Paris.

Best of luck ML.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: Patagonie on April 01, 2019, 02:18:24 PM
You will be good buddy!
Write a last message to RWDvin case you don't survive.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on April 01, 2019, 03:30:39 PM
You will be good buddy!
Write a last message to RWDvin case you don't survive.

OK, if I don't survive; I will write a message from the 'next place.'
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: Gator on April 01, 2019, 04:52:37 PM
Wishing a speedy recovery!
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: msmob on April 01, 2019, 06:11:18 PM
I am in for 'belly button' surgery at 10:45 AM tomorrow.

If I don't survive, the gang will need to elect someone to take over my role here and carry it out properly.




What time should we expect the first terrible joke when you wake up?....


Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on April 03, 2019, 11:27:49 AM
Got through the first 24 hours.  A lot of ugly looking bruising and stitching; and a lot of pain.
But I should look better in a speedo now.  Will post pics upon request.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: msmob on April 03, 2019, 11:31:40 AM
ML - glad to have you back and wishing you a full recovery !
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Post by: Boethius on April 03, 2019, 12:16:58 PM
Hope you are at 100% soon.

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Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on April 06, 2019, 04:06:40 PM
We are both disappointed that nothing heard yet concerning scheduling of Oath Ceremony  for Ochka.

This is really screwing up plans to buy ticket for her trip to Ukraine this summer.
Especially troubling since she missed going all of last year due to the silly 12 and then 18 month 'flimsy paper' extensions of her 2 year Green Card.
So 2 years since she has seen her parents and other family.

We were lucky as one of first to have the Citizenship Interview from our filing month group on VisaJourney.  But now luck has changed as some who went later got their Oath Ceremony scheduled before they reached parking lot upon leaving.

This is all specific to each USCIS city, so comparisons are meaningless.

On VisaJourney some have gotten scheduled quickly (as exampled above) and other have waited 2 months or more (some even 2 years or so).

I tried calling the central USCIS number once, but gave up after being on hold for 26 minutes.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: BillyB on April 06, 2019, 04:52:29 PM
I should look better in a speedo now.  Will post pics upon request.


You've peaked my interest. I wanna see pics.

We are both disappointed that nothing heard yet concerning scheduling of Oath Ceremony  for Ochka.

This is really screwing up plans to buy ticket for her trip to Ukraine this summer.

Lots of immigrants getting citizenship around Seattle. Oath ceremonies happen often. My wife didn't wait long. Same day for some people. Come here and bring your speedo.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on April 06, 2019, 10:26:32 PM
Virginia takes lead and beats Auburn in last 1.5 seconds.
Auburn guys are going to have nightmares about this for a long time.

Texas Tech outscores Michigan State by 9 points in last minute or so to win the second game.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on April 07, 2019, 11:31:27 AM
Thank you Krimster for your advice regarding Metal Detectors.

I purchased the one you recommended, and was able to quickly locate some iron survey pins.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: krimster2 on April 07, 2019, 11:44:40 AM
cool, now go find the oldest spot in town and coin shoot
it never gets old for me, you might like it
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on April 12, 2019, 10:11:25 AM
Wife finally got scheduled for Oath Ceremony on 24 April 2019.

Now . . . should I worry?

I forget the rule:

I thought the wife would ditch the USA man after she gets the 2 year Green Card.

But maybe the ditching comes after Citizenship achieved.

What's the rule here gang ??
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: msmob on April 12, 2019, 10:13:51 AM
You haven't had the Police investigate 'fraud', yet ?

You'll be fine :))
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: Gator on April 12, 2019, 10:34:39 AM


But maybe the ditching comes after Citizenship achieved.



Only if you forget the magic words, "Yes, darling."
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: SteveInBoston on April 14, 2019, 04:47:58 PM

What's the rule here gang ??

You don't talk about fight club?


....oops...
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on April 25, 2019, 09:15:33 AM
OK, so Billy first used this phrase some time back.

But I couldn't think of a clever alternative, so will just copy.

Wife participated in Oath Ceremony, and this morning we submitted her USA Passport Application at Post Office.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: 2tallbill on April 25, 2019, 12:55:48 PM
OK, so Billy first used this phrase some time back.

But I couldn't think of a clever alternative, so will just copy.

Wife participated in Oath Ceremony, and this morning we submitted her USA Passport Application at Post Office.


Congratulations ML !

No more dealing with USCIS!!!
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Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on April 25, 2019, 07:11:30 PM

Congratulations ML !

No more dealing with USCIS!!!

Thanks Big Bill.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: tfcrew on April 25, 2019, 07:51:38 PM
Wife participated in Oath Ceremony
Did you take pictures?
 
 
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: Patagonie on April 25, 2019, 10:11:41 PM
Congrats too.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on April 26, 2019, 08:55:18 AM
Did you take pictures?
Yes
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on April 26, 2019, 09:01:19 AM
Congrats too.

Thanks Pat.

There were only 3 caucasians there out of 28 gaining Citizenship.

Those three were women who had married American men.
1 from Ukraine, 1 from France and 1 from Germany.

So not all USA men are going to poverty stricken countries to find disadvantaged women; only I did.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: msmob on April 26, 2019, 11:41:19 AM
If you listen to Trench, you'll be dumped, soon  :deadhorse:
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: 2tallbill on April 26, 2019, 03:13:06 PM
If you listen to Trench, you'll be dumped, soon  :deadhorse:

?

Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: msmob on April 26, 2019, 11:46:02 PM
?

RW just want a passport,  access to your wealth and property.....
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on May 03, 2019, 03:22:23 PM
Wife received her USA Biometric Passport today.

Now she can travel freely most everywhere in the world.

She will go through Ireland on her visit to Ukraine this summer to look in on the townhouse we own there . . . and won't have to get a visa to Ireland !!!

Her passport picture is about the worst ever, but that's life.

She finished the last of the Spring semester final exams today.
As usual she is saying she probably failed some of them.
This from a gal who has gotten A+ in about 80% of her previous MS and PhD courses and straight A in the rest.

Now she, with my help, will have to grade the one section of Differential Equations that she taught this semester.  I am really good at adding up scores (at least to 100) and recording.  I can even grade some stuff with very clear cut answers.

Another bit of perhaps good news.  One of the highest ranked research professors here asked her if she wanted him to be her main adviser and work with him on some research.  One potential downside is that sometimes such professors work their people to death.  Don't know what his reputation is in that respect, but will investigate.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: msmob on May 03, 2019, 10:57:56 PM
Might be time to sell up in Ireland? Prices starting to fall..

Congrats to Olga on her academic accomplishments

Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on May 10, 2019, 09:52:30 AM
As I suspected, and despite her typical negativity regarding grades, Ochka got all A grades for Spring 2019 semester in her PhD courses.

Now she is happy spending most all days in her garden.

Got round trip ticket to Kyiv for her end of May visit for about $1,200.  The most we have ever paid, but that was due to us waiting until she had USA passport in hand, so couldn't get best prices that come with early purchases.  justfly.com

From Kyiv, she will make short round trip to Ireland for less than $100 on discount airline with no visa needed due to USA passport.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on May 10, 2019, 01:04:51 PM
Due to wife's heavy study schedule, we weren't able to go out for dinner at either USA or Ukraine Easter date.  For first time ever, she didn't even make Paska bread.
 
Now we have Mother's Day coming.

This morning she asked when and where we were going for Mother's Day.
We settled on that.
Then she said what about the two Easters?
I said we would combine those with Mother's Day.
She said: What about my end of semester celebration.
Me: Combined also.
She: What about gaining my USA citizenship.
Me: Same.
She: What about anniversary of our first meeting (sometime in early May many years ago).
Me: You are probably catching on.
She: What about our, what she calls 'big sex,' (as opposed to the quick everyday sex for her.)
Me: Same day.

She: Just smiled.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on May 17, 2019, 06:53:22 PM
Well he actually wasn't there, but . . .

Maxx got me interested in the Keto diet system.  Both wife and I have lost some small amounts, but aren't fully on the system yet as have a lot of stuff to use up first.

However, there are some very tasty recipes on various Keto websites.

We just had one today that was very tasty and very sexy.  We easily follow into the sex trap after such.

Try it . . . but only if you have a reliable sex partner with you.

Creamy Tuscan shrimp  2 servings
1 oz. butter, 1 garlic clove minced, ¾ lb shrimp, 2⁄3 cup heavy whipping cream, 1 ½ tbsp white wine, ½ oz. sun-dried tomatoes, ½ tbsp Italian seasoning, 1⁄3 cup parmesan cheese shredded, 1 ½ oz. baby spinach, salt and ground black pepper, ½ lb green asparagus.
In a large frying pan, sauté garlic in butter until golden and translucent. Add shrimp and fry for a few minutes on each side if it is raw.
It should be pink and opaque. Don't over-cook, or it can become dry and rubbery. Remove the shrimp. Add heavy cream, white wine, finely chopped sun-dried tomatoes and spices. Bring to a simmer. Add parmesan and lower the heat. Simmer for a few more minutes for a creamy consistency.  Add spinach and shrimp and let simmer just until everything is warm.
Clean, trim and chop the asparagus. Boil for a few minutes in lightly salted water and serve with the shrimp.
Add a side of butter-fried mushrooms for a filling, low-carb addition to this already delicious meal!
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: BillyB on May 17, 2019, 07:28:27 PM
Creamy Tuscan shrimp  2 servings
1 oz. butter, 1 garlic clove minced, ¾ lb shrimp, 2⁄3 cup heavy whipping cream, 1 ½ tbsp white wine, ½ oz. sun-dried tomatoes, ½ tbsp Italian seasoning, 1⁄3 cup parmesan cheese shredded, 1 ½ oz. baby spinach, salt and ground black pepper, ½ lb green asparagus.
In a large frying pan, sauté garlic in butter until golden and translucent. Add shrimp and fry for a few minutes on each side if it is raw.
It should be pink and opaque. Don't over-cook, or it can become dry and rubbery. Remove the shrimp. Add heavy cream, white wine, finely chopped sun-dried tomatoes and spices. Bring to a simmer. Add parmesan and lower the heat. Simmer for a few more minutes for a creamy consistency.  Add spinach and shrimp and let simmer just until everything is warm.
Clean, trim and chop the asparagus. Boil for a few minutes in lightly salted water and serve with the shrimp.
Add a side of butter-fried mushrooms for a filling, low-carb addition to this already delicious meal!

Sounds like a lot of work. At what point can a shortcut be taken to go straight to sex?
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: Maxx2 on May 18, 2019, 01:01:35 AM
I'll have to start smoking cigarettes after a title like that.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: John Gaunt on May 18, 2019, 03:38:12 AM
Well he actually wasn't there, but . . .

Maxx got me interested in the Keto diet system.  Both wife and I have lost some small amounts, but aren't fully on the system yet as have a lot of stuff to use up first.

However, there are some very tasty recipes on various Keto websites.

We just had one today that was very tasty and very sexy.  We easily follow into the sex trap after such.

Try it . . . but only if you have a reliable sex partner with you.

Creamy Tuscan shrimp  2 servings
1 oz. butter, 1 garlic clove minced, ¾ lb shrimp, 2⁄3 cup heavy whipping cream, 1 ½ tbsp white wine, ½ oz. sun-dried tomatoes, ½ tbsp Italian seasoning, 1⁄3 cup parmesan cheese shredded, 1 ½ oz. baby spinach, salt and ground black pepper, ½ lb green asparagus.
In a large frying pan, sauté garlic in butter until golden and translucent. Add shrimp and fry for a few minutes on each side if it is raw.
It should be pink and opaque. Don't over-cook, or it can become dry and rubbery. Remove the shrimp. Add heavy cream, white wine, finely chopped sun-dried tomatoes and spices. Bring to a simmer. Add parmesan and lower the heat. Simmer for a few more minutes for a creamy consistency.  Add spinach and shrimp and let simmer just until everything is warm.
Clean, trim and chop the asparagus. Boil for a few minutes in lightly salted water and serve with the shrimp.
Add a side of butter-fried mushrooms for a filling, low-carb addition to this already delicious meal!
Where does the sex come into it? Unless you’re cooking in the buff?
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: Maxx2 on May 18, 2019, 05:29:28 AM
Where does the sex come into it? Unless you’re cooking in the buff?


Almost. ML cooked the meal wearing only an apron. Mrs ML thought he was sexy and wanted to drag him into the bedroom. But she is a woman of common sense and practicality and waited for them to finish their meal for the aphrodisiac quality of the keto shrimp on ML.


Then it was this for Mrs ML


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and this for ML.


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While he was in his state of bliss he thought, "Who else can I thank besides Mrs ML for this?"


Keto, among its health and aphrodisiac qualities is also known to be good for marriages.


 
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: John Gaunt on May 18, 2019, 06:17:49 AM

Almost. ML cooked the meal wearing only an apron. Mrs ML thought he was sexy and wanted to drag him into the bedroom. But she is a woman of common sense and practicality and waited for them to finish their meal for the aphrodisiac quality of the keto shrimp on ML.


Then it was this for Mrs ML


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and this for ML.


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While he was in his state of bliss he thought, "Who else can I thank besides Mrs ML for this?"


Keto, among its health and aphrodisiac qualities is also known to be good for marriages.
That explains it.
For a moment there I thought the shrimp might have more of a participatory role there. 🤔😳
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: Maxx2 on May 18, 2019, 06:34:45 AM
That explains it.
For a moment there I thought the shrimp might have more of a participatory role there. 🤔😳


I have no idea the size of ML's hands.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on May 29, 2019, 08:02:37 PM
Spouse will take a side trip from Kyiv to Dublin.

We bought her ticket today on Ryan Air, and then started filling out the profile info.

Question: What is your nationality?
Drop down list first listed all the Euro countries.
Then came the remainder.
Scrolled down to the U's and . . . there is no United States.
Repeated and got same result.
Thinking . . . why no USA?
I know USA and Ireland have a 'special' relationship, so trying to think where USA might be.
Opened another screen and Googled: Why no USA on Ryan Air website?
Nothing.
Then wife says:  Look under American.
I say no, other countries get mad when we say American because that suggests there are no other countries in the American Continents.
But look anyway . . . and she was right, there it said American.
OK, continue filling out blocks.
What country issued your Passport?
Ha . . . can't fool me again, so I head right for top of second listing . . . and no American is found.
Scroll on down to bottom . . . and there is United States.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: lyndontom on May 30, 2019, 01:08:43 AM
Spouse will take a side trip from Kyiv to Dublin.

We bought her ticket today on Ryan Air, and then started filling out the profile info.

Question: What is your nationality?
Drop down list first listed all the Euro countries.
Then came the remainder.
Scrolled down to the U's and . . . there is no United States.
Repeated and got same result.
Thinking . . . why no USA?
I know USA and Ireland have a 'special' relationship, so trying to think where USA might be.
Opened another screen and Googled: Why no USA on Ryan Air website?
Nothing.
Then wife says:  Look under American.
I say no, other countries get mad when we say American because that suggests there are no other countries in the American Continents.
But look anyway . . . and she was right, there it said American.
OK, continue filling out blocks.
What country issued your Passport?
Ha . . . can't fool me again, so I head right for top of second listing . . . and no American is found.
Scroll on down to bottom . . . and there is United States.


We Brits get the same with different terms being used interchangeably on the nationality/issuing country questions, though not just with Ryanair. British/Great Britain/United Kingdom seem to be used in a variety of combinations without any real consistency.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: msmob on May 30, 2019, 02:48:57 AM
Some countries even put 'England' - which rather peeves the Scots, Welsh and N.Irish .

Whilst I HATE Ryanair - ( They make one show a passport to fly between the UK and Ireland - which is not necessary for immigration purposes ) I DO get the choices..

You are American and your nation is called the USA..


Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on May 31, 2019, 06:07:42 PM
Wife got checked in at airport and arrived at departure gate for flight to Ukraine with stopover in Germany.

Just a few minutes later a German gal we know who is married to an AM arrived at same gate.

They will be on same flight into Germany.  Gossip about USA husbands will be thick!!!
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: msmob on June 01, 2019, 04:04:26 AM
Greedy men ;)
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on June 02, 2019, 01:42:01 PM
Just talked with wife on Skype.
She is staying with friends in Kyiv for a few days so that she can go to dentist, medical, etc., before heading west to her parent's home.
She put another friend of hers on to speak to me briefly.
Told me she asked this other friend to come to visit and now asked her to stay overnight at this home where the host friends don't even know this visiting friend.
I said:  Did you ask the host friends about inviting the visitor over and particularly did you ask them if it were OK to have her stay overnight?
She said:  No.  But I knew they would be OK with it.

Imagine doing this in USA !!!
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: SteveInBoston on June 02, 2019, 04:55:28 PM
Ok, I’m lost.  Who’s on first?
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on June 02, 2019, 08:17:33 PM
Ok, I’m lost.

My wife (referred to hereafter as 'she' or 'her') has (with respect to this posting) Friend 1 and Friend 2.
She is staying with Friend 1 for a few days.
She invited Friend 2 to visit her at Friend 1 home without first asking Friend 1.
She then proceeded to invite Friend 2 to stay overnight at Friend 1 home without first asking Friend 1.
Friend 1 and Friend 2 do not know each other.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: SteveInBoston on June 03, 2019, 08:57:19 AM
My wife (referred to hereafter as 'she' or 'her') has (with respect to this posting) Friend 1 and Friend 2.
She is staying with Friend 1 for a few days.
She invited Friend 2 to visit her at Friend 1 home without first asking Friend 1.
She then proceeded to invite Friend 2 to stay overnight at Friend 1 home without first asking Friend 1.
Friend 1 and Friend 2 do not know each other.

Thank you, got it.  Last year T was invited to stay in Odessa by her friend (Friend 1) at her friend's friend's house (Friend 2 house).  T didn't know Friend 2 until she got there.

Yes, it is very unusual in the States. I have very good Irish friends (in PA) who are that way, and several Canadian friends, but they are exceptions.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: msmob on June 03, 2019, 09:35:33 AM
I have very good Irish friends (in PA) who are that way, and several Canadian friends, but they are exceptions.

If they are 'Irish' and have lived there more than two generations - they are AMERICANS - seeking a heritage - from an Irishman ;)

Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: SteveInBoston on June 03, 2019, 07:22:50 PM
If they are 'Irish' and have lived there more than two generations - they are AMERICANS - seeking a heritage - from an Irishman ;)

Ok, thank you for that.  Not sure why you felt you had to state it.

John and Kathy are from Ireland, moved here about 20 years ago.  Hence they are Irish.  Their kids are Americans with Irish parents.

My dad is American with Slovakian parents.  My mom is Korean with Korean parents.  I am American with American and Korean parents.  Need me to answer any other genealogy questions?

Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: msmob on June 03, 2019, 08:24:10 PM
Ok, thank you for that.  Not sure why you felt you had to state it.

John and Kathy are from Ireland, moved here about 20 years ago.  Hence they are Irish.  Their kids are Americans with Irish parents.

My dad is American with Slovakian parents.  My mom is Korean with Korean parents.  I am American with American and Korean parents.  Need me to answer any other genealogy questions?

Firstly, thank you for bothering yo answer and YES they are Irish by my reckoning !

I will explain... Too many Americans...esp in Boston ...have this REALLY annoying habit of playing the 'Oirish card' when they are no more Irish than the current Pope.

They are AMERICANS.. and some of them sent money to terrorist organisations to destabilise my homeland...thinking they were helping 'heroes'...

But thank you for you genealogy and your pride in being American.. I wish more 'Irish' Americans thought like you.



Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on June 06, 2019, 11:21:08 AM
Ukrainians know very little about money and how to manage it, according to a survey that the American International Development Agency, or USAID, and the National Bank of Ukraine released on June 6.

The survey has measured the national financial literacy of 28 countries and gave Ukraine and Poland the lowest scores — 11.6 out of 21. This is also the worst result among the 14 surveyed European countries.

http://www.kyivpost.com/business/usaid-report-ukrainians-have-worst-financial-literacy-in-europe.html


Note:  This does not apply to my Ukrainian wife.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: krimster2 on June 06, 2019, 11:35:29 AM
this is true, something someone contemplating marriage to a UW needs to consider
just one of many subjects they need to learn, and which you may need to teach
OTOH, this experience proved handy when I gave my oldest daughter a credit card and a bank account from which she is expected to pay her own bills, maintain a balance sheet
raising a Ukrainian wife and American child are similar
besides personal finance, I also taught both how to drive a car!!
and helped them with their schoolwork!
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on June 10, 2019, 10:48:24 PM
We all know, or should know, that most politicians love to spend the public's money, so they must have taxes to do that.

In my state, the Legislature passed a law that allowed cities some so called "Self Rule."
One thing included was the right to impose a city sales tax.
So guess what?  Several cities have already done it.

And, today I closed on sale of a parcel of land.
Took deed to courthouse to record.

My 'bill' included the following line items with individual amounts for each line.
Recording fee
Additional pages recorded past first page
County special fee
State special fee
County excise tax
State excise tax
Housing fee for homeless
County special fee #2
Farm land fee
Heritage program fee
Courthouse improvement fee
Assessor fee
911 Fee
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: GQBlues on June 11, 2019, 12:01:47 AM
Congrats with your states raising taxes. We’ve gone through most phases of that here, although after sighing relief from dodging measure EE, which would’ve raised our property taxes on each of our properties an average of $260.00/EA per year, we found out our home insurances went up an average of 32%. When I called to ask why, they told us it had to be done due to the overwhelming claims made last year due to the wildfires the state suffered.

If that isn’t enough, our governor signed a law today that included providing free health care to illegal immigrants between the ages of 19-25. Payments for this to the tune of $98 million/year via taxation. Why not, they raised our auto insurance premiums the same year they granted these illegal aliens licenses to drive without mandating the same insurance requirements on par with legal residents and citizens. Our raised premiums made up for that.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: krimster2 on June 11, 2019, 12:18:59 AM
20 years ago in the bay area, it cost me 35K in fees, permits and inspections only (not including construction) to remodel my house...
crazy
besides regular home owner's insurance, you need a high risk earth quake insurance policy in the bay area
that will give you sticker shock
if you bought your property recently in California, then your property taxes are crazy as well
and you could never send your kids to most of the public schools there
so you have to add private school to your budget as well

In Texas home owner's insurance will run you an average of $5,000/yr for a million dollar property with a 1% deductible
consult a Topo map before you buy and you won't need flood insurance, if you do, don't buy there
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: Maxx2 on June 11, 2019, 02:54:44 AM
Congrats with your states raising taxes. We’ve gone through most phases of that here, although after sighing relief from dodging measure EE, which would’ve raised our property taxes on each of our properties an average of $260.00/EA per year, we found out our home insurances went up an average of 32%. When I called to ask why, they told us it had to be done due to the overwhelming claims made last year due to the wildfires the state suffered.

If that isn’t enough, our governor signed a law today that included providing free health care to illegal immigrants between the ages of 19-25. Payments for this to the tune of $98 million/year via taxation. Why not, they raised our auto insurance premiums the same year they granted these illegal aliens licenses to drive without mandating the same insurance requirements on par with legal residents and citizens. Our raised premiums made up for that.


I read this and it reminded me of why I left the country of my birth.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: GQBlues on June 11, 2019, 08:58:58 AM

I read this and it reminded me of why I left the country of my birth.

Undue and misappropriated taxation for political agenda is just the tip of the California iceberg, maxx.

Quote
..California’s largest cities are ground zero of the state’s expanding homeless population. Contrary to most city leaders’ claims that this is a housing problem, it is not that simple. While California’s housing costs are through the roof, many of those living on the streets are not even from California, but come here for the state’s liberal policies on drug use, easy theft opportunities and lack of criminal convictions, generous welfare benefits, as well as the “sanctuary” status – and the weather...

Typhoid, hepatitis, tuberculosis, and yes...the bubonic plague...iolani thinks SF's poop problem is bad, sheessh, come to LA, homes. I'll show you what *bad* is...and Garcetti (D), our mayor, wants to run for POTUS. LMAO!

http://californiaglobe.com/fr/bill-to-ban-rodenticides-coincides-with-rat-infestation-and-disease-in-los-angeles/
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: krimster2 on June 11, 2019, 10:21:54 AM
"One thing included was the right to impose a city sales tax."

this means the land right outside the city boundary that won't pay this tax, will rise in price...
and the mean price of properties in this area will be higher due to lower property taxes





Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on June 11, 2019, 12:03:05 PM
"One thing included was the right to impose a city sales tax."

this means the land right outside the city boundary that won't pay this tax, will rise in price...
and the mean price of properties in this area will be higher due to lower property taxes

Krim, you missed that it is a sales tax, not a property tax.

There will be increased sales for those businesses that lie just outside the city boundaries.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: krimster2 on June 11, 2019, 01:06:27 PM
usually they're connected
if you have one, you have the other...
long time ago I owned a little tiny place in Monterey, California
I had to pay a property tax surcharge, for being in the "downtown business zone" even though I was miles from the downtown business zone, WTF?...
all kinds of surcharges, none of which made any sense to me...
but the weather and the beach, and the mountains south of Carmel, OMG!
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: CaptB on June 11, 2019, 10:06:11 PM
Steve,


Congratulations on your wedding !


Capt B
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on June 11, 2019, 10:09:05 PM
Wife agreed to watch over two children (4 and 6) for a week so the parents (her relatives) could take a vacation.

Luckily, she took them to her parent's small farm in western Ukraine where they have been thrilled to help with daily care of some small farm animals, do some garden work, go fishing in pond and nearby river, etc.

They are pretty good kids with no behavioral problems . . . but I wouldn't dream of doing such a thing and was much too risky.  For instance, she hadn't been back to Ukraine for 2 years, so the youngest didn't even remember who she was.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: msmob on June 11, 2019, 10:47:50 PM
Well. clearly they took to her and most Kids respond well to interesting company.


Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on June 14, 2019, 12:09:55 PM
I much prefer college sports to professional games.
But still, I usually watch the Super Bowl and several of the NBA finals games.

The just completed games between Toronto and Golden State have to rank, for me, as some of the greatest games I have ever seen.

Yes, I know that Jabbar, Chamberlain, et al had talent; but I much prefer the current game wherein the medium and long range (and free throw) shooters are the stars.

And Curry in particular has revolutionized the game (although probably not many can follow him) with his extraordinary range.  He regularly shoots anywhere between the half court line and the 3 point line.

Once, just before a half time, he shot from the free throw line at opposite end from his basket and hit the upper side of the rim.  Another time he shot from under the basket at opposite end from his basket and hit the front of the rim.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on June 20, 2019, 03:19:47 PM
Where would Melania be if her husband were a democrat?

On the cover of almost every magazine almost every week.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: msmob on June 21, 2019, 01:26:36 AM
Where would Melania be if her husband were a democrat?

On the cover of almost every magazine almost every week.


Is she ?   Not in Europe ...  We had Mrs 'O'Bama' on your 'Late, Late show ' filmed over here, though ;)

She lead a victory over the UK at Dogeball - inflciting heavy damage to 'our' Harry Styles  ( a pop star , apparently )


http://metro.co.uk/2019/06/18/james-corden-late-late-show-uk-london-michelle-obama-hits-harry-styles-crotch-dodgeball-sky-10002534/ (http://metro.co.uk/2019/06/18/james-corden-late-late-show-uk-london-michelle-obama-hits-harry-styles-crotch-dodgeball-sky-10002534/)
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: SANDRO43 on June 21, 2019, 07:42:07 AM
The Obamas are spending this weekend at the Clooneys' Villa Oleandra in Laglio, on Lake Como.

(http://www.lakecomotourism.it/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/villa-oleandra-02.jpg)
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on June 21, 2019, 09:09:42 AM
The Obamas are spending this weekend at the Clooneys' Villa Oleandra in Laglio, on Lake Como.

(http://www.lakecomotourism.it/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/villa-oleandra-02.jpg)

Sandro, did you have to buy a new suit to attend?
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: SANDRO43 on June 21, 2019, 05:10:52 PM
Sandro, did you have to buy a new suit to attend?
Alas, I am not invited :( ;D.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on July 01, 2019, 11:50:57 AM
Wife returns in 5 hours after month long visit to Ukraine.

Guess it is time to start cleaning the house.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: krimster2 on July 01, 2019, 11:58:02 AM
freaking panic mode
pay the kids $100
is what I'd do...

think pulp fiction
cleaning out the blood
in the back of the car
I do full forensics
before my wife returns
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: msmob on July 04, 2019, 04:21:44 PM
Still married? )

I am 3 hours away from meeting SC for the first time in 7 weeks
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on July 05, 2019, 07:37:16 AM
http://bigseventravel.com/2019/06/the-50-sexiest-nationalities-in-the-world-ranked/
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: Chelseaboy on July 05, 2019, 08:11:07 AM
Engish 9th..not bad.

Americans 45th : )

Moby's Oirish..trailing in 50th place ; ))))
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: BillyB on July 05, 2019, 09:01:04 AM

I'm surprised #30 Russia is not further up the list since Ukraine is #1. They blamed the poor ranking on Putin. I blame America's poor ranking on our manly, tattoo covered, 420 friendly, and overweight women. Some will blame Donald Trump.
Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: Gator on July 05, 2019, 10:57:43 AM
http://bigseventravel.com/2019/06/the-50-sexiest-nationalities-in-the-world-ranked/


This survey makes no sense.  I understand the "eye of the beholder," yet who are the beholders and what were they beholding.   :o. 

Billy mentioned the large disparity between Ukrainians and Russians.  Another example, the Scandinavian countries are all over the place.  The survey surmised that Norway ranked near the bottom (46th) because it is more literary than Hollywood.  WTF!   And Denmark ranked 2nd.  Swedes consider Danish people as decadent, yet I could not tell a difference among the three. 

Irish people ranked dead last.  I guess friendliness is not a factor.  The Vikings took all the beautiful Irish women back to their homeland, especially the redheads.  Yet the men can be handsome. 

How can a Muslim country be included?

Maybe this is based on comparing celebrities from each country. 

Title: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: JayH on July 05, 2019, 05:02:14 PM


Moby's Oirish..trailing in 50th place ; ))))

That would be the obnoxious factor of moby distorting the numbers ~ :deadhorse:
Title: Re: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: msmob on July 05, 2019, 08:38:12 PM

This survey makes no sense. 

Quite.....Garbage in,...garbage out......


How can a Muslim country be included?

??

I can see you never went to Lebanon in Ski season!)

SC is 50 percent 'Muslim'...based on parentage 'ethnicity'...( As Gator says... Eye of the beholder...and all that)

Lots of nations got left out....


Maybe this is based on comparing celebrities from each country.

Sure would explain Armenia appearing ;)
Title: Re: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: Boethius on July 05, 2019, 09:25:51 PM
The better half has always told me Armenian girls were the most stunning in the FSU, but age out quickly (before 30).

This post was composed without the aid of google.
Title: Re: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: Gator on July 05, 2019, 09:27:35 PM

I can see you never went to Lebanon in Ski season!)


Went skiing in Iran several times.  Almost as good as Colorado except Iranians skied as wild as they drove. 

Yes, Westernized Iranian women are attractive even with their strong features.  However, almost all Iranian women were covered in a chador.  Yes, at a party, they remove the chador to reveal a dress from Paris. 
Title: Re: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: msmob on July 06, 2019, 02:25:15 AM
You are trying to duck my querying your wondering at the inclusion of any 'muslim' nation...

Lebanese ladies do not wear veils on the slopes..... Nor do Turkish lasses in night clubs

For all his faults al Assad's wife is beautiful and possesses no harsh features..

I have no idea of how sexy she is... but I have had an Iranian g/f when 20 and she was westernised and 'weaponised'....))

I read some tosh about 'muslim' women not being sexy



Title: Re: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: Gator on July 06, 2019, 12:03:07 PM
You are trying to duck my querying your wondering at the inclusion of any 'muslim' nation...

You are talking about an example here and there, yet the author used the phrase "the country as a whole"   (see Pakistan paragraph).

So,  I am not ducking your query.  Maybe I read more comprehensively than you.  :o    Or maybe you read what you want to read, just to interject  some examples which in your mind make you superior.   
Title: Re: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: SteveInBoston on July 06, 2019, 12:47:39 PM
When I lived in Philly I met this absolutely gorgeous bartender that was from Syria.  She came over when she was young - she was more american than syrian.

It seems the website took polls on sexy celebrities?  It keeps mentioning models and movie stars as examples.  I really like Mila Kunis, but there are better looking Ukrainians....

Title: Re: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: krimster2 on July 06, 2019, 02:45:08 PM
i've been to Turkey, Ukraine, Russia, and nearby countries, including the middle east and western/eastern europe

for real Ukraine is #1, even ahead of Russia which is #2
not only is there a greater ratio of attractive vrs unattractive women
but the average level of attractiveness is much higher and the outliers,
the women who are EXCEPTIONAL are more numerous
and these women will melt your eyeballs

nothing like a 3rd date banya date with your Ukrainian eye candy girl friend
and you see her naked for the first time

then you'd know what I'm talkin about Willis

for illustration purposes
here's 2 photos of my Ukrainian wife
she is by my estimation
"typical" in appearance for a Ukrainian woman
EXCEPT for her height - she's 6 foot one inch tall!
and her bust size
she's DD!
but otherwise, more or less the typical average woman "you'd meet on the street" in Ukraine

AND THAT'S HOW WE MET!
her 6'1" frame got my attention immediately (I'm 6'4")
a tall, tight hard body Ukrainian woman with long muscular legs
a husky Ukrainian farm girl
who can cook AND keep the place tidy
damn, I'm almost in tears, I'm so gosh darned happy...



 
Title: Re: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: Gator on July 06, 2019, 03:21:11 PM

nothing like a 3rd date banya date with your Ukrainian eye candy girl friend
and you see her naked for the first time


Love the private banya.  Introduced to it in St. Piter.  Her idea.  I was such a putz about dating after 25 years of marriage. Awesome, gorgeous body.   
Title: Re: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on July 06, 2019, 04:38:30 PM
Problem with banya's and other such . . . the 'shrinkage' situation.
Title: Re: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: krimster2 on July 06, 2019, 04:53:01 PM
"...the 'shrinkage' situation."

NOT in a banya
it's over 110 degrees F in there

you will have the OPPOSITE problem!!!
especially if it's a Ukrainian woman you just met
kinda awkward to sit quietly right next to someone
while you have a telephone pole sticking out of their lap
you probably don't want to do this, unless you're WEIRD or something like Bee Farmer...

and you see the ukrainian wimmin are mind gaming you
with the "oh the Banya it's natural, and not sexual" kinda thang
the whole time they're TOTALLY but DISCREETLY checking out your "package"
yup!

if you're circumcised, then that usually leads to an inquisitive investigation on their part
but STILL not necessarily sexual...

you don't want to be locked and loaded
if you're not gonna to be doin any shooting
if you know what I mean...

OTOH, if you WANT it to turn sexual...
then just hand the keys over to your willy
and let him drive

and just sit back and enjoy the ride
there's no WRONG way to do the banya
it's whatever way you want

Title: Re: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: msmob on July 06, 2019, 10:23:00 PM
You are talking about an example here and there, yet the author used the phrase "the country as a whole"   (see Pakistan paragraph).

So,  I am not ducking your query.  Maybe I read more comprehensively than you.  :o    Or maybe you read what you want to read, just to interject  some examples which in your mind make you superior.

'Ri-ght '....

YOU made the daft comment about the appearance of ' Muslim'  nations....suggesting 'harsh looks' for Persian lasses and you see no duplicity in your 'defence' of a silly, subjective stance on a poll that is equally so.)))?

I have read polls that say Brazilian women are the most sexy...

I thought Ukraine 'won' the poll for an agenda based reason?


 



Title: Re: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: krimster2 on July 06, 2019, 11:15:59 PM
there are I'm afraid some REALLY FUGLY wimmin in Iran...
very dark skinned, prominant nose, mustache over the lip, short, protruding, bulging eyes
but can have a sweet personality
sounds funny when an Iranian woman is yellin atcha fer messin up the floor or somethin
allah, alee, buka something more about allah, aiiiiiii
or somethin like that
freakin hilarious soundin' because it's so HIGH pitched!!!!

I saw some that would be considered average by Western standards physically
but mentally and "other" factors
I don't think so
I'll take a complete pass on Iran...
would have MUCH better luck in the USA in either Texas or NYC
you'd be AMAZED at how easy it is to pick up redneck girls in Texas!!!
and some are NOT bad at ALL, comparable to Ukraine in quality
Title: Re: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: msmob on July 06, 2019, 11:36:15 PM
May be ML's survey deserves a thread of its own?

US women..if generalising. .....are statistically more likely to be obese... We both know we were referring to a select bunch.



Title: Re: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: ML on July 07, 2019, 07:45:31 AM

you'd be AMAZED at how easy it is to pick up redneck girls in Texas!!!
and some are NOT bad at ALL, comparable to Ukraine in quality

Actually there has been some talk/articles etc., over the years that Texas may have highest proportion of good looking women in USA.  Don't know exactly why given there is quite a mixture there due to migration from other states.

However, I have spent a few days at both Texas A&M and U Texas Austin and was struck by the unusually large (for USA standards) proportion of strikingly beautiful young women on campus.
Title: Re: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: Gator on July 07, 2019, 08:49:30 AM


YOU made the daft comment about the appearance of ' Muslim'  nations....suggesting 'harsh looks' for Persian lasses....



Viewing a "country as a whole," how can one judge the sexy appearance and personality of women from a country whose a) religion requires them to conceal their womanly features and their b) cultural mores subjugate women's public personalities? 

Moby, answer the above question first.  Please no diversion. 

Please answer a second question: Is it not odd given the above that the more conservative Iran ranked higher than more modern Muslim nations where more women are seen in Western styles?    Iranian women are blessed with ample breasts, so maybe that  makes them sexy in the minds of many readers if the readers had dated Iranian women.       


Now a third question:  You were the one who cited Lebanon when talking about Muslim nations, and I do not not consider it a typical Muslim nation.  Do you?





Quote
...and you see no duplicity in your 'defence' of a silly, subjective stance on a poll that is equally so.)))?


Regarding your first point, I assert you have an automatic  contrarian reflex.    In regard to the second point, I concur.  In collecting a sample of its readers, the inconsistencies demonstrate that Big7 did not follow scientific procedures used in applied statistics



Quote
I thought Ukraine 'won' the poll for an agenda based reason?

Who knows?   To quote Big7Travel,  "Survey respondents were given no further specifications of the term ‘sexy’, so interpretation of the word was up to them." 






Title: Re: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: southernX on July 07, 2019, 06:27:48 PM
no 5 for australia

not bad , but our accent is not that sexy imo

SX
Title: Re: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: krimster2 on July 07, 2019, 08:05:14 PM
the sheila's on Bondai beach on a Saturday morning should at LEAST get that....
all homegrown AND they speak English, kinda....
but vegemite?
who the hell came up wit that idea?
I would not trust Australians in the kitchen
my mother was British, nothin but 'taters with gravy and roast beef when I was growin up
as I result, I dislike bland British food, 'cept for that yorkshire pudding, which ain't even puddin at all!!!


Title: Re: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: southernX on July 07, 2019, 08:10:42 PM
lot better beaches around australia than bondi krimster

http://travel.stayz.com.au/info/travel-ideas/discover-australia/australias-top-10-beaches

vegemite ??  , yeh its not for everyone , personally i like promite better

http://ericaswallow.com/2009/04/09/marmite-promite-and-vegemite-comparison/


australians in the kitchen .... :clapping: if you ate pommy food as  a kid then you can handle anything an australian might dish up to you mate

SX
Title: Re: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: msmob on July 07, 2019, 09:43:59 PM


Viewing a "country as a whole," how can one judge the sexy appearance and personality of women from a country whose a) religion requires them to conceal their womanly features and their b) cultural mores subjugate women's public personalities? 

Ri-ight..

Next time you go to Bali, 'north' Cyprus, the Turkish Rivera, etc., do be sure to send us photos of such rare sights...


Moby, answer the above question first.  Please no diversion. 

No irony missed, at all, Gator?


Please answer a second question: Is it not odd given the above that the more conservative Iran ranked higher than more modern Muslim nations where more women are seen in Western styles?    Iranian women are blessed with ample breasts, so maybe that  makes them sexy in the minds of many readers if the readers had dated Iranian women.       

The Iranian woman I was lucky enough  to date as a young man was slim and had small breasts..



Now a third question:  You were the one who cited Lebanon when talking about Muslim nations, and I do not not consider it a typical Muslim nation.  Do you?

What is a typical 'Christian ' nation? Any 'answer' I might give is my opinion and I fail to see how it 'helps' you from your sweeping generalisations


Regarding your first point, I assert you have an automatic  contrarian reflex. 

Then your 'assertion' is simply wrong..



  In regard to the second point, I concur.  In collecting a sample of its readers, the inconsistencies demonstrate that Big7 did not follow scientific procedures used in applied statistics



Who knows?   To quote Big7Travel,  "Survey respondents were given no further specifications of the term ‘sexy’, so interpretation of the word was up to them."

Well, at least we agreed on something!)
Title: Re: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: krimster2 on July 07, 2019, 09:51:02 PM
yeah but Bondai is walking distance from the business district!
and Bondai is "top optional"
if the gods smile upon you, as they have upon me
you may be witness
to topless coeds playing volleyball...
and be invited to join their game...
and the pub after...
Australian beer on tap is not at all half bad IMHO...
not at all like Fosters in a can you get in the USA
Title: Re: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: Gator on July 08, 2019, 06:41:35 AM
Ri-ight..

Turkish Riviera is not the streets of Teheran, the beating heart of Iran.  Yet Iran was ranked 26th and Turkey did not make the top 50.   

You know you dodged the question.  This discussion can not be completed.   'bye. 
Title: Re: Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML
Post by: krimster2 on July 08, 2019, 04:09:44 PM
after Russia and Ukraine Belarus and the Baltics
I found Czech and Hungarian wimmin to be SUPER HOT

Trench didn't like Moldovan women, but I've met many Moldovan women who were solid "9's"  and who would've given a kidney to live in the West...
or for that matter for next month groceries even...

if I hadn't met my wife already, 100% I'd have married this cute little Moldovan girl I met in Kishinev
the cutest sweetest girl you could ever imagine, just WOW!!
Title: My 50 year old teenager
Post by: ML on July 16, 2019, 10:15:28 AM
My 50 year old teenager
Title: Re: My 50 year old teenager
Post by: msmob on July 21, 2019, 06:29:08 AM
My 50 year old teenager

The photo was lovely ... why has it gone ?
Title: Re: My 50 year old teenager
Post by: ML on July 21, 2019, 06:47:42 AM
The photo was lovely ... why has it gone ?

I think it is too risky to post pics here actually, although sometimes I cannot resist.
But probably best to take down quickly before the 'bad guys' can copy and save.

I have read that the 'FaceApp' or whatever it is called is out to cause a lot of harm.
Title: Re: My 50 year old teenager
Post by: msmob on July 21, 2019, 07:12:40 AM
I think it is too risky to post pics here actually, although sometimes I cannot resist.
But probably best to take down quickly before the 'bad guys' can copy and save.

I have read that the 'FaceApp' or whatever it is called is out to cause a lot of harm.

Each to his own ..

I use a photo-sharing link - so I cab check who's viewing - and from wher and can remove the image - anytime I choose at tha later late = as the image is NOT stored on our forum

Using the links ..Anyone using such an app will only see the images on the forum intended ..  I ensure our FB profile and similar are not searchable from the net ..

IF some saddo wantsto get off on another poster's wife / partner ... they can just dream .. ;)