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Title: Do Girls from Russia and Ukraine date Communists or people on the left?
Post by: Darth_Budda on July 25, 2017, 07:35:33 PM
Yes... I married one...

I understand many of the men on this forum are on the right...
But even far left Atheists can be accepted..



 
Title: Re: Do Girls from Russia and Ukraine date Communists or people on the left?
Post by: BillyB on July 25, 2017, 09:04:33 PM

Absolutely. When the USSR was thriving and Communism was the thing, people got married. Many became later became disillusioned with Communism but for the remaining fans, they consist of either male or female and would prefer to marry a person with the same beliefs.
Title: Re: Do Girls from Russia and Ukraine date Communists or people on the left?
Post by: Muzh on July 26, 2017, 03:57:51 PM
Ask the Ruskies from Brighton Beach. Take a day trip and ask them. Make sure you are a fast runner.
Title: Re: Do Girls from Russia and Ukraine date Communists or people on the left?
Post by: Gator on July 27, 2017, 03:32:54 PM
Even during Soviet days, my wife never dated a member of the Communist Party.
Title: Re: Do Girls from Russia and Ukraine date Communists or people on the left?
Post by: Olga_Mouse on April 15, 2019, 03:52:06 AM
Do Girls from Russia and Ukraine date Communists or people on the left? (http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=22032.msg465238#msg465238)

Why not - if a man puts family above his political views?

After all, there must be something to talk about in the evening after dinner, apart from the weather forecast for tomorrow... So why not talking about politics and economics, then?
Title: Re: Do Girls from Russia and Ukraine date Communists or people on the left?
Post by: Boethius on April 15, 2019, 09:48:22 AM
You're responding to an old thread. The OP is married and his wife is in the US with him.


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Title: Do Girls from Russia and Ukraine date Communists or people on the left?
Post by: Olga_Mouse on April 15, 2019, 11:55:17 AM

You're responding to an old thread.


Yep, I've read the date of original post. So what?



The OP is married and his wife is in the US with him.
Good for them!

Would you please explain how can their marriage possibly prevent me from posting in this thread? I do not see a logical connection, really...
Title: Re: Do Girls from Russia and Ukraine date Communists or people on the left?
Post by: Boethius on April 15, 2019, 12:03:37 PM
I don't recall posting that you are prevented from posting on this thread.  However, you are responding to a post made almost two years ago by a poster who, shortly after that post, visited Ukraine (TR photos posted here) and married.  It just seems illogical to me, partly because I doubt we will ever have an American communist post here again.


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Title: Re: Do Girls from Russia and Ukraine date Communists or people on the left?
Post by: Darth_Budda on May 26, 2019, 08:00:41 PM
You're responding to an old thread. The OP is married and his wife is in the US with him.


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Still married,,,  Still a Communist.. Busy making little Communists....

Yes we American Communists are rare... But we are a spirited group..
 I am not sure why their are not more,,, TBH...

NEP type Communists,, you know... 


I will be honest,,,  my wife is actually not very interested in politics,,,
She does respect her grandfather a lot.. 
He is still a "Soviet" and Communist to this day...

So, my political rants remind her of grandpa... lol

I love one story she tells...

She asked him one day,, why he carried a gun at work...  He said to kill fascists..
He had some cool stories of cuba in the 60's...  cool guy...
 
Title: Re: Do Girls from Russia and Ukraine date Communists or people on the left?
Post by: Boethius on May 26, 2019, 08:54:58 PM
My family, and husband's were victims of all those "cool communists".  Most of husband's family was liquidated.  Mine were fortunate, as they lived in Western Ukraine, so were only sent to gulags.


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Title: Re: Do Girls from Russia and Ukraine date Communists or people on the left?
Post by: msmob on May 27, 2019, 12:58:32 AM
Depends where one refers to in the FSU..

Some Russians miss the 'stability ' of the Soviet Union ...Some even respect Stalin.. Some dream of Moscow being at the centre of a mighty 'brotherhood' of nations, like 'the good 'ol days'..

Other nations from that former 'britherhood' have been independent from Moscow and have seen what happens, if they seek stronger ties, elsewhere..

I have not met any woman who is in the latter camp... They may exist in younger women...who do not remember the Soviet Union..



Title: Re: Do Girls from Russia and Ukraine date Communists or people on the left?
Post by: Faux Pas on May 27, 2019, 06:40:59 AM
Still married,,,  Still a Communist.. Busy making little Communists....

Yes we American Communists are rare... But we are a spirited group..
 I am not sure why their are not more,,, TBH...


NEP type Communists,, you know... 


I will be honest,,,  my wife is actually not very interested in politics,,,
She does respect her grandfather a lot.. 
He is still a "Soviet" and Communist to this day...

So, my political rants remind her of grandpa... lol

I love one story she tells...

She asked him one day,, why he carried a gun at work...  He said to kill fascists..
He had some cool stories of cuba in the 60's...  cool guy...
 

Because communism doesn't work.
Title: Re: Do Girls from Russia and Ukraine date Communists or people on the left?
Post by: Darth_Budda on May 27, 2019, 07:21:27 AM
Maybe but it seems to work in China...  I mean you can't really just ignore the fact that they have made huge advances over the years...

Even in the SU they made huge advances in a very short time.
They went from a largely uneducated rural farm society, to become a true superpower.. 
all while fighting civil wars and world wars..

I don't think the history of communism is relegated to history..
But Free Market Capitalism is dead...... It has been for a very long time...
All governments interfere in business,, picking winners and losers..

Title: Re: Do Girls from Russia and Ukraine date Communists or people on the left?
Post by: Darth_Budda on May 27, 2019, 07:27:59 AM
My family, and husband's were victims of all those "cool communists".  Most of husband's family was liquidated.  Mine were fortunate, as they lived in Western Ukraine, so were only sent to gulags.


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I understand how you feel,,,   but Communism did not kill them,,, people did...
Title: Re: Do Girls from Russia and Ukraine date Communists or people on the left?
Post by: Boethius on May 27, 2019, 08:07:57 AM
Maybe but it seems to work in China...  I mean you can't really just ignore the fact that they have made huge advances over the years...

Even in the SU they made huge advances in a very short time.
They went from a largely uneducated rural farm society, to become a true superpower.. 
all while fighting civil wars and world wars..

I don't think the history of communism is relegated to history..
But Free Market Capitalism is dead...... It has been for a very long time...
All governments interfere in business,, picking winners and losers..


China is not truly communist at present.


The huge advances in the USSR were made by forcing people to work, almost to death.  Any country that did what Stalnist Russia did would industrialize rapidly.


How do you account for both countries killing tens of millions of citizens in the name of communist ideology>


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Title: Re: Do Girls from Russia and Ukraine date Communists or people on the left?
Post by: SteveInBoston on May 27, 2019, 08:12:25 AM
China and SU are not communist.  They call themselves that, but are not.  Both started as communists to garner public support to overthrow their respective governments, but quickly turned into Totalitarian nations.

While sticking to tenants of communism both nations struggled economically and socially.  The main reason some people are so nostalgic of the old soviet times was not because they were better off, but it was because everyone suffered more or less equally and no one was better than them, except for the high soviet officials.  And, if they remained fiercely loyal to the communist party and was somewhat competent in their profession, they may have a chance at a promotion.

Russia gained economic power after it privatized industry and embraced capitalism - not free market capitalism, but a type of totalitarian capitalism.  China did the same. 

China was a relatively poor nation until the late 70's, when it opened up to the world market.  China is successful now when their economy is similar to the western industrial age period - immensely successful companies owned by super rich families.  The owners of these companies are not mandated to share their profits with their brother communists who slave in their factories.  About the only time the owners get in trouble with the government is if their greed and avarice create a huge scandal (lead paint in childrens toys, for example) that it "embarrases the chinese nation".

Title: Re: Do Girls from Russia and Ukraine date Communists or people on the left?
Post by: BillyB on May 27, 2019, 08:20:11 AM
Maybe but it seems to work in China...  I mean you can't really just ignore the fact that they have made huge advances over the years...


China embraced dollars from Capitalist nations. Nixon allowed America to do business with China. Bill Clinton gave them favorable nation status. China depends on others to get where they're at. Take away the money, you take away their ability to advance. They need America.
Title: Re: Do Girls from Russia and Ukraine date Communists or people on the left?
Post by: Darth_Budda on May 27, 2019, 09:08:11 AM

How do you account for both countries killing tens of millions of citizens in the name of communist ideology>



Most of it is simply pro capitalist propaganda... To be honest...

How many people die everyday under capitalism because of hunger, or lack of medical care?
Seriously,,,,  how many people died so that america could bring capitalism to Iraq and Libya?

Democratic control of the economy for the benefit of all people is not a bad goal..


One last thing,, 

Who are we to judge China?  They say they are "communists" because they are trying to build communism..
But first you must have socialism...  Which is what they have....


Serious question...   Is Ukraine and Russia better today than they were in the 1980's?   
Maybe for some people...  But what about all the people who do no have a better life under capitalism?

Seriously,,,,  in the 1980's Ukraine and Russia were a global power...  Now Ukraine is a basket case..
With fake nazi's imposing their view on the rest of the country... The Russian speaking population is being forced to speak ukrainian... The poor of west Ukraine is going to the east to kill the poor of east ukraine... all while the oligarchs get rich,, and the roads are not getting fixed or people are not getting proper medical care...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gsng5C9pL6k&ab_channel=CalebMaupin







   

Title: Re: Do Girls from Russia and Ukraine date Communists or people on the left?
Post by: Boethius on May 27, 2019, 09:37:18 AM
Most of it is simply pro capitalist propaganda... To be honest...How many people die everyday under capitalism because of hunger, or lack of medical care?Seriously,,,,  how many people died so that america could bring capitalism to Iraq and Libya? Democratic control of the economy for the benefit of all people is not a bad goal..One last thing,,  Who are we to judge China?  They say they are "communists" because they are trying to build communism..But first you must have socialism...  Which is what they have....Serious question...   Is Ukraine and Russia better today than they were in the 1980's?   Maybe for some people...  But what about all the people who do no have a better life under capitalism? Seriously,,,,  in the 1980's Ukraine and Russia were a global power...  Now Ukraine is a basket case.. With fake nazi's imposing their view on the rest of the country... The Russian speaking population is being forced to speak ukrainian... The poor of west Ukraine is going to the east to kill the poor of east ukraine... all while the oligarchs get rich,, and the roads are not getting fixed or people are not getting proper medical care...

Soviet archives prove that millions were murdered.  Over 2 million communist party members.  Up to 7 million peasants deliberately starved to death.  Over 1 million Bashkirs.  I could go on.

Your statement on Ukraine and Russia being a "global power" is ludicrous.  Yes, the USSR was a military power.  But I lived in, and travelled the USSR in the 1980's.  The abacus was still being used in stores to calculate purchase prices and change.  People lined up for hours to buy food, and hope that toiletries were available (constant shortages - one month soap, another, shampoo, a third, toothpaste)  The only thing that worked, without fail, was the KGB apparatus, and I have personal experience with that, as well.

As for today, no one forces Ukrainians not to speak Russian.  Walk around central Kyiv one day to 'test" your theory.  The only difference now is, government services are in Ukrainian.  Given over three hundred years of forced Russification, including in the Soviet period when the Ukrainian alphabet was Russified, Ukrainian writers were executed and, in more "lenient" times, jailed for writing on Ukrainian themes (executions - 1929-1934, and those writers' works were banned completely until around 1988, mass arrests in 1964-66 and 1972-1974.  The last political prisoner in a gulag, who died there, was a Ukrainian poet, translator, and literary critic, who died in that gulag in late 1985).  One could not attend university in Ukraine in Soviet times without complete fluency in Russian.  Ukraine was denigrated as a "hick" language.  So the current position is far more lenient.  I have relatives in Kyiv whose elementary school aged children attend a Russian language school.

None of this was invented by the West.  It's reality.

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Title: Re: Do Girls from Russia and Ukraine date Communists or people on the left?
Post by: SteveInBoston on May 27, 2019, 09:40:06 AM
Serious question...   Is Ukraine and Russia better today than they were in the 1980's?   

Yes.


Seriously,,,,  in the 1980's Ukraine and Russia were a global power...  Now Ukraine is a basket case..
With fake nazi's imposing their view on the rest of the country... The Russian speaking population is being forced to speak ukrainian... The poor of west Ukraine is going to the east to kill the poor of east ukraine... all while the oligarchs get rich,, and the roads are not getting fixed or people are not getting proper medical care...

Interesting.  Sounds just like the propaganda directly from DPR and LPR.

Have you spent time in either place?  I mean Eastern Ukraine and Western Ukraine.

Wifey just came back from visiting her parents in DPR and listed to the usual drivel about the "evil" West. 

I was able to go as close as I could - a town about 10 km from the border zone.  I have lived in Kharkiv this past winter.  It included several visits to the clinics for tests and x-rays.  People were getting "proper medical care".  The roads are in rough shape, some even horrible.  But they are getting fixed - I've passed 7 different road construction zones. 
 

Realize that USSR was a "global" power because they had nukes and a huge military.  No real economic power, no social power.  And it was so "great" that it collapsed.


Communism doesn't work, not because the idea is bad, but because people are bad.  A person can be good or bad, but in general the population tends to be selfish and self-centered.  No one is willing to share their salary with 9 people who don't work, unless forced to.  No one is willing to sweat and struggle to make a company or business great, unless they get to keep the earnings and benefits for themselves. 


Also, about the "Russian speaking population forced to speak Ukrainian" comment.   I take you are perfectly fine with "Polish speaking population forced to speak Russian"/"Ukrainian speaking population forced to speak Russian"/"Romanian speaking population forced to speak Russian"/"Bulgarian speaking population forced to speak Russian"/"Slovakian speaking population forced to speak Russian".... the list goes on...

Title: Re: Do Girls from Russia and Ukraine date Communists or people on the left?
Post by: Boethius on May 27, 2019, 09:43:03 AM
China and SU are not communist.  They call themselves that, but are not.  Both started as communists to garner public support to overthrow their respective governments, but quickly turned into Totalitarian nations.

While sticking to tenants of communism both nations struggled economically and socially.  The main reason some people are so nostalgic of the old soviet times was not because they were better off, but it was because everyone suffered more or less equally and no one was better than them, except for the high soviet officials.  And, if they remained fiercely loyal to the communist party and was somewhat competent in their profession, they may have a chance at a promotion.

I disagree about the nostalgia.  For most Soviet citizens, life in the USSR was stable.  They didn't have a lot of things, but everyone had a job and a place to live,   Healthcare sucked, but it was free.  Education was free.  Basic food staples were heavily subsidized, although food security was not universal.  That was life for most, but not all, Soviet citizens. 

Competence had zero to do with promotion in Soviet society.  One first, had to belong to the right class (the working class) and prove fealty to the system, starting with doing tasks for the party.

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Title: Re: Do Girls from Russia and Ukraine date Communists or people on the left?
Post by: Boethius on May 27, 2019, 09:45:28 AM
I understand how you feel,,,   but Communism did not kill them,,, people did...


Yes.  People who claimed they were killing them in the name of communism.


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Title: Re: Do Girls from Russia and Ukraine date Communists or people on the left?
Post by: Boethius on May 27, 2019, 09:51:10 AM
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The poor of west Ukraine is going to the east to kill the poor of east ukraine... all while the oligarchs get rich,, and the roads are not getting fixed or people are not getting proper medical care...


You are aware, I assume, that all those oligarchs are the former communist nomenklatura? 


The better half says he is happy this occurred, as we can truly see their real natures.


I think Marx got a lot of things correct, and I can see his influence in a lot of Chinese policy.  However, IMHO, communism is just an economic extension of Messianic Judaism, which probably is why it appealed to so many Russian Jews in the late 19th/early 20th century.  It ignores human nature, at least, at this stage of our evolution, so can't work.


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Title: Re: Do Girls from Russia and Ukraine date Communists or people on the left?
Post by: Darth_Budda on May 27, 2019, 10:01:35 AM
I spent most of my time in central ukraine..    I was over their in total maybe 9 or 10 month through all my trips,,, 

I can agree to disagree,,,  people have different opinions...

from the people I know in ukraine,,  most prefer their version of Surzhyk or Russian,,,  They find the pure Ukrainian of the far west hard to understand...  Most people were of a mixed background...
Russians, Ukrainians, Polish, Jewish, Georagan, Belarusian and greek....

Support of the war in any form was low,,, In fact they have no problem vacationing in crimea..

I meet a varing group of people through my travels,,,  Village farmers, bee keepers, city gopnik's, school teachers, mechanics, i little of every one...

Rode the bus,,,  until I bought my Lada...   I speak to my wife everyday...  Not sure if that allows me to repeat what I have observed...

The ukraine some people and the news talk about on here,, the Super Ukrainian Nationalists...
I just have not seen....

I am not saying it's not their... But from my experience,,, I can say Ukraine is a country full of many different groups of people with different views on Ukraines past and future based on their personal experiences...

I have never been to east ukraine,, but I know an american that fight for the DPR...He post news you don't see in the west..
The civilian houses destroyed,, schools shelled, the many non combatants killed..

I am not going to get into a big debate to day,, BBqing over wood ukrainian style soon,,,

But if people take anything of value from what I write,,, It should be that their is many types of people every where,,
We have more in common than we have that divides us... 

Title: Re: Do Girls from Russia and Ukraine date Communists or people on the left?
Post by: Boethius on May 27, 2019, 10:13:12 AM
Almost no one in Ukraine speaks "pure" Russian.  They almost all speak surzhik, and it's not a language.  My husband's family is from St. Petersburg on one side, Moscow on the other.  They ran to Ukraine to avoid being liquidated.  Therefore, my husband has always spoken pure Russian, unmixed by Ukrainian words, although with a Kyiv accent (though he can speak any accent - Moscow, St. Petersburg, the Volga, Siberian, etc.).  He refused to learn surzhik and said it's an ungrammatical mish mash.  As he lived in Ukraine, he also learned Ukrainian, and speaks a "pure" Ukrainian - no mix with Russian words, and I know this because I am fluent in Ukrainian.

You are mistaken about people in Central/Eastern Ukraine not being able to speak Ukrainian.  They can speak "pure" Ukrainian.  In fact, in most villages, that's what's spoken, it's when escapees moved to cities and wanted to "fit in" that they started learning surzhik.  So, they become, effectively, illiterate in two languages rather than one.

If anyone can't understand the Ukrainian spoken in Western Ukraine, it's because they don't speak Ukrainian.  The Ukrainian language is the same.  There are some regional words, mostly, in Western Ukraine, due to Polish influences, but it's no different than say, regional words in Montana vs Florida.  (There are also OCS words used in Western Ukraine, predominantly in Boyko and Hutsul regions.) 

The war in Eastern Ukraine was started by the Russians, easily proven and discussed here ad nauseum.  That war was not about language.  It was about control of wealth, on all Ukrainian sides.  Russia had its own reasons for starting the war. 

Civilians have been killed, houses destroyed, etc., on the Ukrainian side as well.


Re mixing - Ukrainian cities historically were Russian and Jewish in the Russian Empire, Polish and Jewish in the Austro-Hungarian Empire.  Ukrainians tended to live in villages, and were minorities in cities.


After starving to death millions of peasants, in order to Russify Ukraine, Eastern Ukraine was flooded with Russians.  That was deliberate.

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Title: Re: Do Girls from Russia and Ukraine date Communists or people on the left?
Post by: Darth_Budda on May 27, 2019, 10:31:05 AM
My friend is a english teacher at a local university,,,  even he has a hard time with Ukrainian in the far west,,,
Because they tend to use more polish words..  his words....

I am not going to argue against your point,, although I don't agree with it all...

So my wifes city started off as a border fortress call fortress elizabeth..  the land was taken during the crimean war..
The muslims were forced out and repopulated by russians Ukrainians and germans.. Basically anyone not muslim..

This city is in central ukraine...  so it actually has very little "Ukrainian" History... kinda...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kropyvnytskyi
Title: Re: Do Girls from Russia and Ukraine date Communists or people on the left?
Post by: Boethius on May 27, 2019, 10:36:49 AM
As I posted, cities in Ukraine had relatively small ethnically Ukrainian populations in Tsarist times.  But the vast majority of the population, which lived in rural regions, was ethnically what we now recognize as Ukrainian, although at that time, they did not call themselves Ukrainians.

Your friend is mistaken.  I have relatives from Ternopil to the border regions of Western Ukraine, so I travel that region routinely.  You are far more likely to hear Russian, rather than Polish words.  If you are in a Boyko region, you will hear the purest Ukrainian spoken anywhere in Ukraine - that was true in the interwar period, in Soviet times, and now (in fact, Kyinans used to tell me if I wanted to hear "pure" Ukrainian, to go to Ivano Frankivsk).

I have no issue with you disagreeing with me, but I know this region exceptionally well, and I know how they speak, because when I am in Ukraine, I speak Ukrainian.  I know the difference between Ukrainian and Russian, and between Ukrainian and Polish. 

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Title: Re: Do Girls from Russia and Ukraine date Communists or people on the left?
Post by: SteveInBoston on May 27, 2019, 10:38:03 AM

I have never been to east ukraine,, but I know an american that fight for the DPR...He post news you don't see in the west..
The civilian houses destroyed,, schools shelled, the many non combatants killed..


An american who volunteered to fight and kill Ukrainians, and justifies it by talking about destruction.  I guess that makes it all ok.

I have seen the news you speak of.  You can too - Donetsk News Agency and TASS.  One is a separatist government news service and the other is a russian news agency.

In reality, I have seen the civilian houses destroyed, the schools shelled, and the graves of non combatants killed.  In Mariyinka, from DPR shelling. 


It's interesting how you talked about the varying opinions and views in central Ukraine.  We asked a taxi driver in Kyiv about the Motherland monument.  Is Motherland guarding Kyiv from Moscow or is she saluting Moscow?  He starting talking about how it doesn't really matter, that Motherland was built by free masons and that Poroshenko and Putin are free mason buddies and started the conflict to kill commoners.

Everyone has a viewpoint.  It is cool that people in central Ukraine are now free to share their opinions without fear of the state police knocking on their door, like in the good old days.

Title: Re: Do Girls from Russia and Ukraine date Communists or people on the left?
Post by: Darth_Budda on May 27, 2019, 10:45:10 AM
Saturday Night on the Avdeevka Front 18/05/2019 (ENG&RUS SUBS)

Russell Bentley

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Title: Re: Do Girls from Russia and Ukraine date Communists or people on the left?
Post by: BillyB on May 27, 2019, 11:05:11 AM
How many people die everyday under capitalism because of hunger, or lack of medical care?
Seriously,,,,  how many people died so that america could bring capitalism to Iraq and Libya?


Libya had their Arab Spring civil war. Obama and Europe help speed up the process to end the civil war. Although I'm glad Ghadafi is gone and not a fan of the war, the West probably saved lives although that was not their main priority. Syria has less oil and had less support. The prolonged civil war there has a high death toll.

Saddam Insane took power in a violent coup. After that he liquidated his political opponents. He then took Iraq into an 8 year war with Iran. After the war he killed and mass buried Iraqis from regions that did not support his war. Two years after the war with Iran, he went to war against Kuwait. The world made the mistake of allowing him to remain in power. After surrendering to the coalition to keep power, he then liquidated draft dodgers, religious and political opponents so nobody gets second thoughts he's weak and vulnerable after losing the war. My friend from Iraq loved Bush when he removed Saddam from power because he saved lives.
Title: Re: Do Girls from Russia and Ukraine date Communists or people on the left?
Post by: msmob on May 27, 2019, 01:18:16 PM
My friend is a english teacher at a local university,,,  even he has a hard time with Ukrainian in the far west,,,
Because they tend to use more polish words..  his words....

I am not going to argue against your point,, although I don't agree with it all...

Then you are 'unwise'..


So my wifes city started off as a border fortress call fortress elizabeth..  the land was taken during the crimean war..
The muslims were forced out and repopulated by russians Ukrainians and germans.. Basically anyone not muslim..

This city is in central ukraine...  so it actually has very little "Ukrainian" History... kinda...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kropyvnytskyi

Not many Ukrainian cities, do ..  that was due to serial re-occupations by Moscow

Interesting wiki..note the near decimation of the Jews
Title: Re: Do Girls from Russia and Ukraine date Communists or people on the left?
Post by: Darth_Budda on May 28, 2019, 05:13:20 AM
Like I said... This is my.understanding of ukraine...

I am not mistaken about any of it....

Title: Re: Do Girls from Russia and Ukraine date Communists or people on the left?
Post by: Darth_Budda on May 28, 2019, 05:40:12 AM
Maybe I have had a rare experience with all of this.
 I don't really think I'm the typical guy that you see on sites like this. I think I am younger and more poor than most people on this place.  I'm just a poor construction worker from a small village in upstate New York. I was lucky and found my second half..Made friends I still talk too...

Like what I say or not... But I think I have the experience to discuss these things with a degree of knowledge...  but only from my point of view...
Title: Re: Do Girls from Russia and Ukraine date Communists or people on the left?
Post by: Boethius on May 28, 2019, 07:43:54 AM
Like I said... This is my.understanding of ukraine...

I am not mistaken about any of it....

Your understanding is based on a small slice of people you interacted with. 

I don't typically speak with people who speak surzhik.  Most of the people I know in Kyiv speak only Russian, not Ukrainian, and definitely don't use surzhik.  None were ever peasants (which is the demographic that uses surzhik - peasants who escaped villages to come to the city).  Even though most of them to this day, cannot speak Ukrainian, and those that do, do not use Ukrainian in their daily lives, they have no issues with the language.  They are mostly indifferent.  Incidentally, surzhik has no grammatical rules.  It is not taught in schools because it's not a language.  The choices in Ukraine are Ukrainian language schools, or Russian language schools.


In Western Ukraine, you typically will not hear Russian, unless Russian is used by a tourist.  Most Western Ukrainians can speak Russian, because it was imposed on them.  They choose to speak their native tongue now.

If you read the Razumkov Centre, which does polling on social issues across Ukraine, your perception of Ukraine would be a decided minority.

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Title: Re: Do Girls from Russia and Ukraine date Communists or people on the left?
Post by: krimster2 on May 28, 2019, 07:52:29 AM
I know Russel Bentley, we've met, he was really enjoying his 5 minutes of fame....
in "real life" the guy is an "ex-con" homeless dewd who wouldn't be able to pass a basic 6th grade literacy test ....
you didn't mention Mark Paslawsky, any reason?

Title: Re: Do Girls from Russia and Ukraine date Communists or people on the left?
Post by: Darth_Budda on May 28, 2019, 09:29:36 AM
No clue who he is...


Russel is a ex con.  Selling marijuana... With is now legal many places... Unless I am wrong...

It is a Interesting discussion. 
More people are afraid to say what they really think... Because of the anti communist or russian issues in Ukraine.



Title: Re: Do Girls from Russia and Ukraine date Communists or people on the left?
Post by: Boethius on May 28, 2019, 09:33:51 AM
I'm not certain there is an anti communist attitude in Ukraine.  Polls suggest between 65% and 75% of Ukrainians would like to return to the USSR, with the highest support in Western Ukraine (which generally, is poorer).


Anti Russian attitudes don't really exist in most of Ukraine.  Ask Russians who have moved to Kyiv how "anti Russian" it is.  Or the millions who have resettled throughout Ukraine from Donbas.


This post was composed without the aid of google.
Title: Re: Do Girls from Russia and Ukraine date Communists or people on the left?
Post by: msmob on May 28, 2019, 10:31:34 AM


I am not mistaken about any of it....

You'll forgive me, but based on some of your 'assertions'  - based on some interesting historical assumptions - I beg to differ ;) 
Title: Re: Do Girls from Russia and Ukraine date Communists or people on the left?
Post by: krimster2 on May 28, 2019, 01:00:38 PM
"No clue who he is... "

Mark Paslawsky was an American volunteer on the Ukrainian side who was KIA maybe 2 years back...
Title: Re: Do Girls from Russia and Ukraine date Communists or people on the left?
Post by: Darth_Budda on May 28, 2019, 02:36:10 PM
"No clue who he is... "

Mark Paslawsky was an American volunteer on the Ukrainian side who was KIA maybe 2 years back...

I.remember that dude...   It is war...  a lot of people were killed on.both sides.... He knew his chances...

I guess he should not of joined up....

Bombs can't put Ukraine together...  only political conversation..
Title: Re: Do Girls from Russia and Ukraine date Communists or people on the left?
Post by: msmob on May 28, 2019, 03:29:05 PM
Bombs ..or threats of them have split off parts of Ukraine.. Might was used to overcome right and Politicians that disagreed were removed ...in public gaze... and turned up dead the next day...

That is the Ukraine you need to understand((

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volodymyr_Ivanovych_Rybak?wprov=sfla1 (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volodymyr_Ivanovych_Rybak?wprov=sfla1)

Title: Re: Do Girls from Russia and Ukraine date Communists or people on the left?
Post by: Darth_Budda on June 01, 2019, 06:47:19 AM
Ukraine is a country run by oligarchs for oligarchs,,,  Each with their own private militia...

The USA and NuLand was behind the Neo-Nazi backed uprising against the legitimate government of Ukraine..

When the  legitimate government of Ukraine fell....  The east and crimea also had the right of self determination... 

People say look at the polls in Ukraine,,,  Like the same type of poles that said trump would loose?


Report from Ukrainian media on the illegal use of army in the Donbass translated: "The Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Donbass are employed illegally – this was the conclusion reached by experts from the office of the Ukrainian Prosecutor General. According to Oleg Zhivotov, the lawyer of the former head of the [arrested – AF] General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Vladimir Zamany, these results of their examination are contained in the report on suspicions against his client.
The experts’ conclusion are shocking and most importantly, they cannot be undone. It now turns out that everyone who fought in the Donbass violated the Constitution of Ukraine. This threatens any Ukrainian soldier, national guard, volunteer. True, the Geneva Convention may come to their aid – after all, they were under oath and acted on orders. But this convention does not protect Petro Poroshenko, supreme commander, the convention does not protect."

http://www.newcoldwar.org/shocking-analysis-from-the-prosecutor-general-office-poroshenko-and-all-who-fought-there-will-answer-for-donbass/?fbclid=IwAR17IvwbNhB-EaLNZCOxwaMTyxVTnfoPvmgeMaHhXcQjnlRgLd3bAfPWopo (http://www.newcoldwar.org/shocking-analysis-from-the-prosecutor-general-office-poroshenko-and-all-who-fought-there-will-answer-for-donbass/?fbclid=IwAR17IvwbNhB-EaLNZCOxwaMTyxVTnfoPvmgeMaHhXcQjnlRgLd3bAfPWopo)

http://www.rt.com/news/460488-ukraine-nazi-collaborator-monument/?fbclid=IwAR03GCMt1R_VrElJqphuCxQtYBzzvkpqdAPCRo2iTFeEbZe6Ol6aih2e_cU (http://www.rt.com/news/460488-ukraine-nazi-collaborator-monument/?fbclid=IwAR03GCMt1R_VrElJqphuCxQtYBzzvkpqdAPCRo2iTFeEbZe6Ol6aih2e_cU)

Western liberals may praise a Chinese tank man of 1989 but completely ignore how our Ukrainian civil war developed exactly 5 years ago. A government, installed in Kiev via coup, has sent the army to suppress the rioting miners of Donbass who didn’t recognize the coup. Unarmed people managed to stop the army – soldiers first refused to shoot.
Then the pro-US coup government recruited neo-Nazi paramilitary battalions, released and armed criminals from jails, cleansed most of the former army personnel. And only after that the full scale war started in May 2014.
The main reason for the coup and lasting civil war was the issue of free trade agreement with the EU which the former government refused to sign. That’s how western imperialism works.

^^^^^^
Copy pasted words from a comrade in central Ukraine,, he is also a proud IWW member...

Title: Re: Do Girls from Russia and Ukraine date Communists or people on the left?
Post by: msmob on June 01, 2019, 07:05:23 AM
You are on the wrong forum ..if you think Yanokovych  govt was 'legit'..

There is a lot still wrong... But BOY are you being selective

Title: Re: Do Girls from Russia and Ukraine date Communists or people on the left?
Post by: Darth_Budda on June 01, 2019, 07:28:36 AM
A lot of americans hate trump,,,   But you don't see us trying to overthrow the government with Russian money delivered directly from the ambassador to the usa.. ""Nuland cookies""

You don't see nazi CIA trained snipers killing everyone to increase tensions to the breaking point...

In a MF Democracy,,,  you wait and vote the bastard out.....

What do you think would happen in the USA if people tried to take over the government?

The police would murder everyone...
Title: Re: Do Girls from Russia and Ukraine date Communists or people on the left?
Post by: msmob on June 01, 2019, 08:15:09 AM
Like I said ..

You are on the wrong forum to post your one-sided Bollox

mad and bad as 'trampu' will be proven, he has not overseen mass misappropriation of public funds to line his own pocket and not over seen the murder of citizens who protested.
Yanu' 'had to be spirited away by Kremlin GRU to avoid trial is the ONLY reason you can still suggest he was 'hard done by'.

No one is saying the US and EU weren't players...

No one carved up Ukraine like Yanu's eldest son..

Can you invisage 'Trampu's polical supporters disowning him in the way the Party of Regions did Yanu'....?

If you want to play amateur hour ...'who's to blame for trying to screw up Ukraine.. you need to cast your net east as well as west and within.







Title: Re: Do Girls from Russia and Ukraine date Communists or people on the left?
Post by: BillyB on June 01, 2019, 08:47:57 AM
The USA and NuLand was behind the Neo-Nazi backed uprising against the legitimate government of Ukraine..


America and Russia always try to influence other nations. That's the way big nations roll since the beginning of big nations. Doing nothing while your enemies turn your friends into your enemies will speed up your extinction. I've been to West Ukraine many times where the Neo Nazis are supposed to congregate. I'm a minority and never felt discrimination or hostility. There's a bunch of black people from Africa going to colleges in West Ukraine. They walk around freely and don't look scared.

When the  legitimate government of Ukraine fell....


The government didn't fall and wasn't taken over. There were protests. President Yanukovych called for new elections and the next day he fled the country for Russia. The Rada(parliament) stayed in power, held new elections and a new president was elected.

The east and crimea also had the right of self determination... 


Ukraine has a Constitution and Article 73 says that if there is to be a change in borders, there must be an all Ukrainian referendum. If Crimea wanted to secede from Ukraine which changes the nation's borders, the vote must be held by all Ukrainians. The Crimean vote was illegal.
Title: Re: Do Girls from Russia and Ukraine date Communists or people on the left?
Post by: Darth_Budda on June 01, 2019, 08:52:01 AM
according to Article 17 of the Constitution of Ukraine, the Armed Forces of Ukraine cannot be involved in any conflict within the country.

so?  yea...
Title: Re: Do Girls from Russia and Ukraine date Communists or people on the left?
Post by: msmob on June 01, 2019, 08:59:52 AM
according to Article 17 of the Constitution of Ukraine, the Armed Forces of Ukraine cannot be involved in any conflict within the country.

so?  yea...

According to the Budapest Memorandum - Ukraine gave up it's nukes and was supposed to be defended by nations - including Russia .. not have her agreed territory reduced by  Kremlin military personnel on the leased bases on Crimea ..

So.. if you are going to post bollox, revisionist 'history' - be prepared to get a god hosing down..

Title: Re: Do Girls from Russia and Ukraine date Communists or people on the left?
Post by: GQBlues on June 01, 2019, 09:18:06 AM
Ukraine is a country run by oligarchs for oligarchs,,,  Each with their own private militia...
The USA and NuLand was behind the Neo-Nazi backed uprising against the legitimate government of Ukraine..
When the  legitimate government of Ukraine fell....  The east and crimea also had the right of self determination...
 

Damned Straight!

Maidan was a well-orchestrated, brutal attack against a democratically, heavily internationally monitored, legitimately elected government simply because it went against the bidding of the US.

This is what the US cable transmitted via Embassy regarding what Poroshenko, a foreign minister at the time, reported back in 2010. 4 years before Maidan.

Quote
5. (C) Poroshenko praised the work of international election observers and stressed that he had made a point of meeting with them during the election campaign.  He said Tymoshenko later criticized him privately for his embrace of the observers, saying that it had undercut her allegations of fraud. Poroshenko disagreed. Ukraine, he insisted, should be proud of the fact that so many observers had positive reports on the election; it reflected well on Ukraine. Poroshenko concurred with the Ambassador's assessment of the constructive role that ODIHR's Ambassador Heidi Tagliavini had played. This is not 2004....
--------------------
6. (C) Noting his prominent role in the Orange camp in 2004, Poroshenko said that Yanukovych's election this year was consistent with the fundamental goals of the Orange Revolution: free and transparent elections and the peaceful transition of power.

http://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/10KYIV246_a.html

Poor ol' Petro. Unfortunately he turned out not to be the perfect US Stooge as he never got full US support when war broke out from the Obama administration. Petro's major flaw was he was prone to be an idealist for America's palete. So the US left him out to dry.

http://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/09STATE129520_a.html

In addition to what you cited above...add Albright's release of Tymoshenko from prison, to the appointment of US-citizen Natalie Jaresko as Ukraine's Ministry of Finance, to the appointment of Hunter Biden to lead Burisma, and the implementation ML Strategies as DC' lobbyist for Ukraine and appointments of personnel directly connected to both Biden and John Kerry...

http://time.com/2964493/ukraine-joe-biden-son-hunter-burisma/

http://www.mintz.com/newsletter/2015/Advisories/4639-0215-DC-MLS/index.html

USA's hands are more than all over this coup. That was a blatant, major global *butt-phuck* with thousands of civilian casualties.
It's actually laughable how there's a faux media frenzy about foreign entities meddling in our mythical 'democratic' elections.

Got DNC?
Title: Re: Do Girls from Russia and Ukraine date Communists or people on the left?
Post by: msmob on June 01, 2019, 09:31:55 AM
GQB

I missed when the Americans ordered citizens to be killed, robbed the nation's coffers,  sent tough guys to beat up and kill journalists ?

sure Biden had his son lined up to  divvy up the Gas in E.Ukraine ... but to suggest this is 'ALL' a US fubar is more than sl. disingenuous

Title: Re: Do Girls from Russia and Ukraine date Communists or people on the left?
Post by: krimster2 on June 01, 2019, 09:51:40 AM
I know Victoria Nuland personally, and had lunch with her in the pre-Maidan days in Kyiv
she speaks excellent Russian BTW!!
so I can tell ya all about her involvement in creating Maidan
it was ZERO....

the maidan was an example of spontaneous social combustion that was caused by a single spark
read all about the REAL maidan here, and NOT how Russians claim it started...
http://www.opensocietyfoundations.org/voices/uprising-ukraine-how-it-all-began

Victoria handed out her bag of cookies after Maidan started, it was literally just a couple of bags of cookies she bought at the last moment, to pass out to a large crowd of school age kids who were organized into a street militia complete with pot helmets and garbage can armor, some of whom were later gunned down and are part of the heavenly 100...
but this was propagandized by the EXACT same people at the GRU who helped Trump in 2016
and is an early example of Russia "weaponizing" intelligence against other states, the Russians were not just stealing information for intelligence purposes; they were now using social media and strategic leaks to 'weaponize' that information

Victoria Nuland was the test run to go at Clinton 2 years later using the strategy of stealing private information combined with disinformation...
it was LITERALLY THE SAME PEOPLE!!!

OK...



since it's in Republican's best interests to "look the other way"
you all better get used to Russian GRU manipulating American elections and media and corrupt money laundering...


Title: Some folks need to read up more on the away games in Ukraine
Post by: msmob on June 01, 2019, 09:58:33 AM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/articles/28TzwkvPxBrDh69KgNh8VwP/meet-the-most-powerful-man-you-ve-never-heard-of (http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/articles/28TzwkvPxBrDh69KgNh8VwP/meet-the-most-powerful-man-you-ve-never-heard-of)

2In the BBC Radio 4 series The Puppet Master, reporter Gabriel Gatehouse gets to the bewildering heart of contemporary Russia by exploring the fortunes of a secretive, complicated and controversial man. His name is Vladislav Surkov – also known as Putin’s Rasputin, the Grey Cardinal of the Kremlin or the Puppet Master. Here, Gabriel reveals some fascinating things he learned along the way…"

"Leaked documents from his office in the Kremlin show Surkov running a network of activists in the eastern Donbas region, where separatist fighters are waging a war against Kyiv ( Moby edit )  with support from Moscow. A former rebel leader said:

“Periodically I would meet with Vladislav Surkov. He is one of the cleverest people I’ve ever met in my life. I sometimes think of him as an actor, alone on the stage. I’m watching his show, and at the same time I’m learning from him: the art of politics, the art of the possible.”
Title: Re: Do Girls from Russia and Ukraine date Communists or people on the left?
Post by: BillyB on June 01, 2019, 10:08:48 AM
I know Victoria Nuland personally, and had lunch with her in the pre-Maidan days in Kyiv
she speaks excellent Russian BTW!!
so I can tell ya all about her involvement in creating Maidan
it was ZERO....


I'm sure American money was used to support friends in Ukraine or any country for that matter. I'm not saying Nuland was to blame but she had a say where the money went. Money alone doesn't get people to act. The people of Ukraine has a right to be upset with their government from the top down. Corruption and dysfunctional economy are reasons to be upset and want a new government. If America's government became only half as bad as Ukraine's, we'd be overthrowing our government too. My question is why did they take so long?
Title: Re: Do Girls from Russia and Ukraine date Communists or people on the left?
Post by: krimster2 on June 01, 2019, 10:10:56 AM
Surkov' influence has caused the West to attack the very institutions that protect its freedoms (Press, Law Enforcement, government)
and promoted division within western society to manipulate elections to favor Russian interests
quo bono?
who benefits?

i'm just wondering post-Trump what the US response to Russia will be...
it's clearly time to move beyond just adding more and more sanctions
I think a midnight surprise with no warning at all to cut Russia off from SWIFT and freeze all assets overseas belonging to Russian oligarchs
would be a mighty fine start
and stationing small numbers of NATO soldiers at strategic points in Ukraine with advanced radar and other surveillance systems
in other words, "I'll see your bet Mr Putin, and raise it..."


 
 
Title: Re: Do Girls from Russia and Ukraine date Communists or people on the left?
Post by: Darth_Budda on June 01, 2019, 01:52:07 PM
Maybe Bernie, Putin, and Xi should just have a sit down...

Decide to try to work together and build a better world..


Why do we need enemies?  With CIA funded Islamists we have enough problems...
Title: Re: Do Girls from Russia and Ukraine date Communists or people on the left?
Post by: BillyB on June 01, 2019, 02:39:39 PM
Maybe Bernie, Putin, and Xi should just have a sit down...

Decide to try to work together and build a better world..


In the last few years, Russia and China has acquired real estate on land and at sea. America has not. Putin and Xi have their own ideas on how to build a better world for their benefit. I don't think we should go along with it.
Title: Re: Do Girls from Russia and Ukraine date Communists or people on the left?
Post by: Darth_Budda on June 01, 2019, 03:06:02 PM
Are you sure Iraq or Libya and soon venezuela don't count?

How many military bases does Russia and China have around the world?
Compared to the USA?

The US created ISIS...  ISIS of all groups...




I actually think Xi wants to limit corruption and increase Communist teachings

http://english.qstheory.cn/?fbclid=IwAR29kyDGtm91AWdeOZuUYRxRyMbujvfs2bDFCc1JttVtC4l3eaBNqTQaFYI (http://english.qstheory.cn/?fbclid=IwAR29kyDGtm91AWdeOZuUYRxRyMbujvfs2bDFCc1JttVtC4l3eaBNqTQaFYI)

Some light reading from China,,,

I just hope that china can use globalization not just to develop their industry but to help globalize Resistance against the self serving capitalist oligarch class...

The Communist movement must adapt to the circumstances that we find ourself in...
Title: Re: Do Girls from Russia and Ukraine date Communists or people on the left?
Post by: SteveInBoston on June 01, 2019, 04:26:15 PM

Some light reading from China,,,

I just hope that china can use globalization not just to develop their industry but to help globalize Resistance against the self serving capitalist oligarch class...

The Communist movement must adapt to the circumstances that we find ourself in...

What?  China has the fastest growing oligarch class in the world.  They have over 470 billionaires this year, compared to 79 in 2010.   And these are true oligarchs: as long as they stay within the communist party and don't embarrass the government, they have free reign to do what they want.  Dump hazardous waste wherever, no problem, as long as not too many people get sick or die (in this case too much being enough to pass through communication filters to get the attention of international journalists).  Child labor, no problem, as long as not too many children get sick to garner attention.  Hazardous chemicals in their products, no problem, as long as it's not detected.

Yes, Malaysia, Singapore, Vietnam and Philipines are overjoyed that China has claimed the waters around those nations as Chinese waters.  Let's also not forget Tibet and Taiwan.  At least Taiwan still has some resistance left.

Yes, the US meddles in other nations.  Egypt, Lybia, Iraq, etc.  US "meddled" in South Korea.  It was such a terrible thing - the US ruining the nation and taking over...wait, that's not what happened...US kept bases there, freeing up S. Korea to spend their money on infrastructure and economy...hmm.   US forced Japan to de-militarize, again establishing bases there....freeing up Japan to focus on industry and economy...

China invaded Tibet, freeing up Tibet to focus on social and economic policy....wait, nope, Tibet was wiped out with it's leader in exile.
Title: Re: Do Girls from Russia and Ukraine date Communists or people on the left?
Post by: krimster2 on June 01, 2019, 04:44:51 PM
"Decide to try to work together and build a better world.."

really?
know anyone working on that project, I don't...

the reality is that Russia is an engaged in a hybrid war with America, and we're not fighting back for a very obvious reason...
Title: Re: Do Girls from Russia and Ukraine date Communists or people on the left?
Post by: BillyB on June 02, 2019, 12:27:46 AM
Are you sure Iraq or Libya and soon venezuela don't count?


America isn't taking land at those places. Just supporting friends.

How many military bases does Russia and China have around the world?
Compared to the USA?


USA has quite a bit of bases around the world. I hope nations will someday trust Russia and China enough to invite their troops too. Ukraine had Russian troops stationed in their country. It didn't work out too well for them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_with_overseas_military_bases#United_States

The US created ISIS...  ISIS of all groups...


ISIS was formed out of Al Qaeda. America supported Al Qaeda in Afghanistan to keep the USSR from spreading. It was business, not friendship. Whether or not one believe America is responsible for creating ISIS, they are responsible for their own actions.
Title: Re: Do Girls from Russia and Ukraine date Communists or people on the left?
Post by: msmob on June 02, 2019, 12:41:28 AM
America supported Al Qaeda in Afghanistan to keep the USSR from spreading. It was business, not friendship. Whether or not one believe America is responsible for creating ISIS, they are responsible for their own actions.

NO,  BillyB

"Although the mujahideen were aided by the Pakistani, U.S., and Saudi governments, the mujahideen's primary source of funding was private donors and religious charities throughout the Muslim world—particularly in the Persian Gulf. "

"Osama bin Laden, originally from a wealthy family in Saudi Arabia, was a prominent organiser and financier of an all-Arab Islamist group of foreign volunteers; his Maktab al-Khadamat funnelled money, arms, and Muslim fighters from around the Muslim world into Afghanistan, with the assistance and support of the Saudi and Pakistani governments."

Source: Wiki

When I read someone say the US ( west) 'created' Daesh ('ISIS') I wonder if they know WHAT they are talking about





Title: Re: Do Girls from Russia and Ukraine date Communists or people on the left?
Post by: BillyB on June 02, 2019, 10:17:36 AM
Source: Wiki


Where's the link so we know you're not making stuff up...again? America gave billions in aid to assist the Afghan mujahedeen(holy warrior for Jihad) to fight the Soviets, and you want us to believe none of that money went to the Arab volunteers who arrived to assist them? Who fed, gave weapons, and training to the Arab volunteers which included Bin Laden? Charity alone given to the mujahedeen is not enough to beat the Soviets.
Title: Re: Do Girls from Russia and Ukraine date Communists or people on the left?
Post by: msmob on June 03, 2019, 01:51:43 AM
Where's the link so we know you're not making stuff up...again? America gave billions in aid to assist the Afghan mujahedeen(holy warrior for Jihad) to fight the Soviets, and you want us to believe none of that money went to the Arab volunteers who arrived to assist them? Who fed, gave weapons, and training to the Arab volunteers which included Bin Laden? Charity alone given to the mujahedeen is not enough to beat the Soviets.

Silly BillyB  - I don't make stuff up - provide evidence of same, please - but the link is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mujahideen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mujahideen)


Title: Re: Do Girls from Russia and Ukraine date Communists or people on the left?
Post by: GQBlues on June 03, 2019, 06:15:00 AM
GQB

I missed when the Americans ordered citizens to be killed, robbed the nation's coffers,  sent tough guys to beat up and kill journalists ?

sure Biden had his son lined up to  divvy up the Gas in E.Ukraine ... but to suggest this is 'ALL' a US fubar is more than sl. disingenuous

http://youtu.be/0ILMjrdL5Ds

I really like this one...AP’s Matt Rocks!
http://youtu.be/B2MBNdp0gUU

Listening to Psaki’s statement re: the US never engages in any nation’s unconstitutional power transition...

http://youtu.be/bmUNCsT8TjU
Title: Re: Do Girls from Russia and Ukraine date Communists or people on the left?
Post by: msmob on June 03, 2019, 06:21:11 AM
)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

Quoting Farage at ME ?

The guy is sponsored BY the Kremlin
Title: Re: Do Girls from Russia and Ukraine date Communists or people on the left?
Post by: GQBlues on June 03, 2019, 06:27:42 AM
)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

Quoting Farage at ME ?

The guy is sponsored BY the Kremlin

Citation please.
Title: Re: Do Girls from Russia and Ukraine date Communists or people on the left?
Post by: krimster2 on June 03, 2019, 06:38:14 AM
google "Nigel Farage, Russia inquiry" there are HUNDREDS of links
he's even part of the Mueller investigation...
Brexit is the UK's version of Russian political engineering in the "Anglo Saxon World" as Putin calls it
add a few drops of Polonium-210 and Novichok and you're good to go
how much Russian oligarch money is there in London, billions and billions...
this interest WILL be well represented in parliament, getting the best that its money can buy
and now you know specifically by whom

http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/11/nigel-farages-name-keeps-coming-up-in-the-robert-mueller-probe
and HUNDREDS more
Title: Re: Do Girls from Russia and Ukraine date Communists or people on the left?
Post by: msmob on June 03, 2019, 06:52:04 AM
Citation please.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/jun/16/arron-banks-nigel-farage-leave-brexit-russia-connection (http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/jun/16/arron-banks-nigel-farage-leave-brexit-russia-connection)

Aaron Banks - sponsors Farage- lives near me ...

NO WAY does he make enough through his businesses enterprises to fund Farage..


Farage under investigation re his non declaration of expenses ..

Come on, GQB ..

Title: Re: Do Girls from Russia and Ukraine date Communists or people on the left?
Post by: GQBlues on June 03, 2019, 07:09:13 AM
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/jun/16/arron-banks-nigel-farage-leave-brexit-russia-connection (http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/jun/16/arron-banks-nigel-farage-leave-brexit-russia-connection)

Aaron Banks - sponsors Farage- lives near me ...

NO WAY does he make enough through his businesses enterprises to fund Farage..


Farage under investigation re his non declaration of expenses ..

Come on, GQB ..

LMAO! 2016 opinion article lumping in the Trump Russian Collusion, I see... so that was the basis of your assertion.

Got Steele?
Title: Re: Do Girls from Russia and Ukraine date Communists or people on the left?
Post by: msmob on June 03, 2019, 07:54:33 AM
GQB

Nice attempt at obfuscation for your ignorance..

1/ the fact remains that Farage is under investigation

2/ ' Trampu' was not exonerated as chose flakes like Manafort..

The stench has not gone away...


Title: Re: Do Girls from Russia and Ukraine date Communists or people on the left?
Post by: GQBlues on June 03, 2019, 08:02:20 AM
GQB

Nice attempt at obfuscation for your ignorance..

1/ the fact remains that Farage is under investigation

2/ ' Trampu' was not exonerated as chose flakes like Manafort..

The stench has not gone away...

Therein lies your perspective and conviction!

Guilt before presumption of innocence. Classically typical these days!

Got Dossier?
Title: Re: Do Girls from Russia and Ukraine date Communists or people on the left?
Post by: msmob on June 03, 2019, 08:21:12 AM
Much more a case of your sense of denial, there GQB .


Title: Re: Do Girls from Russia and Ukraine date Communists or people on the left?
Post by: Boethius on June 03, 2019, 11:20:10 AM
Ukraine is a country run by oligarchs for oligarchs,,,  Each with their own private militia...

Hmm, I'm not certain I agree 100% with that.

Are you aware that Russian and Ukrainian oligarchs were created by the CPSU?  It was one of their planks in the failed coup.

Quote
The USA and NuLand was behind the Neo-Nazi backed uprising against the legitimate government of Ukraine..

So how many "neo Nazis" voted for the Jewish president of Ukraine?  Or the half Jewish former president (Jewish by Jewish law)?  Or the former PMs of Ukraine who were Jewish?  All supported by the "neo Nazis".

The US was not behind Maidan.  Oligarchs were, definitely, but it was for their own interests.  My husband was in Kyiv during the early days of Maidan protests.  He spoke to protesters, many of whom were babas paid to be there (which is common in Ukraine, BTW).  There is no way the US had anything to do with this.  What was happening was that banks had been shut down, with people losing their life savings, oil prices had increased, and Yanukovych was moving toward Russia politically, which young Ukrainians did not support.  They naively assumed they would be part of the EU, and many assumed they'd automatically have EU standards of living.  Other, more sophisticated protesters, just wanted the freedom Ukrainians have.  Ukraine is, by any standard, freer, politically, than is Russia.

I think where the US did interfere was after Yanukovych left, and when a new government was elected.  They did make clear their "preferred" presidential candidate and their preferred PM.



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When the  legitimate government of Ukraine fell....  The east and crimea also had the right of self determination... 


 :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:

Yes, at the barrel of a gun, and with the manipulation and interference of a foreign neighbour.  Wow, real "self determination" there.

Do you know that there are over 1.8 million internal refugees registered in Ukraine?  So, 1.6 million Ukrainians have officially left the lands that gave them "self determination" to live elsewhere in Ukraine.  Most of those refugees are in Kyiv, which is why there is a mini apartment boom.

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People say look at the polls in Ukraine,,,  Like the same type of poles that said trump would loose?


Trump did lose the popular vote.

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Report from Ukrainian media on the illegal use of army in the Donbass translated: "The Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Donbass are employed illegally – this was the conclusion reached by experts from the office of the Ukrainian Prosecutor General. According to Oleg Zhivotov, the lawyer of the former head of the [arrested – AF] General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Vladimir Zamany, these results of their examination are contained in the report on suspicions against his client.
The experts’ conclusion are shocking and most importantly, they cannot be undone. It now turns out that everyone who fought in the Donbass violated the Constitution of Ukraine. This threatens any Ukrainian soldier, national guard, volunteer. True, the Geneva Convention may come to their aid – after all, they were under oath and acted on orders. But this convention does not protect Petro Poroshenko, supreme commander, the convention does not protect."

http://www.newcoldwar.org/shocking-analysis-from-the-prosecutor-general-office-poroshenko-and-all-who-fought-there-will-answer-for-donbass/?fbclid=IwAR17IvwbNhB-EaLNZCOxwaMTyxVTnfoPvmgeMaHhXcQjnlRgLd3bAfPWopo (http://www.newcoldwar.org/shocking-analysis-from-the-prosecutor-general-office-poroshenko-and-all-who-fought-there-will-answer-for-donbass/?fbclid=IwAR17IvwbNhB-EaLNZCOxwaMTyxVTnfoPvmgeMaHhXcQjnlRgLd3bAfPWopo)

http://www.rt.com/news/460488-ukraine-nazi-collaborator-monument/?fbclid=IwAR03GCMt1R_VrElJqphuCxQtYBzzvkpqdAPCRo2iTFeEbZe6Ol6aih2e_cU (http://www.rt.com/news/460488-ukraine-nazi-collaborator-monument/?fbclid=IwAR03GCMt1R_VrElJqphuCxQtYBzzvkpqdAPCRo2iTFeEbZe6Ol6aih2e_cU)

Western liberals may praise a Chinese tank man of 1989 but completely ignore how our Ukrainian civil war developed exactly 5 years ago. A government, installed in Kiev via coup, has sent the army to suppress the rioting miners of Donbass who didn’t recognize the coup. Unarmed people managed to stop the army – soldiers first refused to shoot.
Then the pro-US coup government recruited neo-Nazi paramilitary battalions, released and armed criminals from jails, cleansed most of the former army personnel. And only after that the full scale war started in May 2014.
The main reason for the coup and lasting civil war was the issue of free trade agreement with the EU which the former government refused to sign. That’s how western imperialism works.

^^^^^^
Copy pasted words from a comrade in central Ukraine,, he is also a proud IWW member...

The war started when Girkin, a career GRU officer, stormed a building and took hostages.  Yup, that's all the fault of Ukrainians. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Frankly, I think Ukraine should cede Donbas.  It is an economically dying region, a drain on the country, with one main industry - coal, an economically dying industry.   

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Title: Re: Do Girls from Russia and Ukraine date Communists or people on the left?
Post by: Boethius on June 03, 2019, 11:21:55 AM
A lot of americans hate trump,,,   But you don't see us trying to overthrow the government with Russian money delivered directly from the ambassador to the usa.. ""Nuland cookies""

You don't see nazi CIA trained snipers killing everyone to increase tensions to the breaking point...

In a MF Democracy,,,  you wait and vote the bastard out.....

What do you think would happen in the USA if people tried to take over the government?

The police would murder everyone...


You don't need GRU officers killing Ukrainians for speaking Ukrainian in Donbas (before the war started), or priests. 


You ought to read some facts once in a while.


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Title: Re: Do Girls from Russia and Ukraine date Communists or people on the left?
Post by: krimster2 on June 03, 2019, 04:24:17 PM
"What do you think would happen in the USA if people tried to take over the government?"

funny, I thought it was supposed to be unequivocally a government of the people, by the people
so the people should already have control of the government

so maybe it's not for the people after all, because that would be socialism and that's bad and was responsible for the extinction of the dinosaurs according to Fuz News

Title: Re: Do Girls from Russia and Ukraine date Communists or people on the left?
Post by: iolanik on June 04, 2019, 03:20:11 PM
If you want to marry a commie or leftist liberal socialist retard, then come to my city of SAN FRANSICKO. You dont need to go to russia to marry a girl, there are plenty of armpit hair sportin', karl marxist preachin, hairy legged "women" here in the bay area and specifically Berkeley, CA to choose from.
Title: Re: Do Girls from Russia and Ukraine date Communists or people on the left?
Post by: ML on June 04, 2019, 03:39:04 PM
. . . armpit hair sportin', karl marxist preachin, hairy legged "women" . . .

Thanks for tonight's nightmare !!!
Title: Re: Do Girls from Russia and Ukraine date Communists or people on the left?
Post by: krimster2 on June 04, 2019, 03:51:17 PM
ahhhh Telegraph Ave on a Saturday afternoon
Amoeba Records, Cody's Books....
I miss those days
but dating totally sucks in the Bay Area if you're a straight guy
worse place EVER for me
best place for me in the USA was Manhattan
best place on Earth was Kyiv
I slept with super models in Kyiv when I was younger
I was in shock the first time it happened
I though I entered into some opposite universe

 
Title: Re: Do Girls from Russia and Ukraine date Communists or people on the left?
Post by: ML on June 04, 2019, 03:55:53 PM

but dating totally sucks in the Bay Area if you're a straight guy


Since there are so many gay guys there, I would think the straight guys would be in big demand by the straight gals.

Or is there a shortage of straight gals also ?
Title: Re: Do Girls from Russia and Ukraine date Communists or people on the left?
Post by: krimster2 on June 04, 2019, 04:22:54 PM
only a part of the Bay Area has a high density of gays, and that's "The Castro"
other than there, I didn't notice a higher percentage of gay people say in Mountain View or San Jose or Redwood City where I lived
but there are mega-herds of male engineers EVERYWHERE in the Bay Area
and free roamin females are pretty sparse
and wimmin who are maybe a 5 if you're being generous
will be the pickiest most demanding princess you could ever imagine
THAT's what I hated

OTOH, in Manhattan, I never had to even bother looking, they ALWAYS came to me
I just would never be happy living there, not really a big city person, suburbs are about the densest area I can live in
 
Title: Re: Do Girls from Russia and Ukraine date Communists or people on the left?
Post by: ML on June 04, 2019, 08:58:50 PM

but there are mega-herds of male engineers EVERYWHERE in the Bay Area


Yeah, I had forgotten about the male/female ratio there.

Now I remember once reading that it was a mecca for women; whereas Washington, DC was a mecca for men.  Ratios.
Title: Re: Do Girls from Russia and Ukraine date Communists or people on the left?
Post by: krimster2 on June 04, 2019, 10:16:45 PM
yeah, I grew up just outside of DC, in Arlington Virginia
many, many colleges and government clerical workers + lots of locals meant that young women were in EXTREMELY plentiful supply there
and these different groups competed with each other in the dating game
I remember the period of time just before HIV became public
when I was in graduate school
there was a bar in Georgetown I could go to where older women would approach me and offer to give me oral sex and take me home
I really dug playing the innocent, and the bolder ones would caress my arm or cheek while making their pitch
I indulged more than a few...
and I guy in his mid 20's having sex with a 40 yr old is one HELL of a learning experience
in Arlington when I was in high school, my family was part of a big social scene
my mother would get asked by her friends if I would take out their dateless daughters
and even gave me date money to take them out
I had sex with every single one of these girls
but OMG...shudder...
kissing a girl and feeling one of her pimples pop is not REALLY conducive to a romantic evening






Title: Re: Do Girls from Russia and Ukraine date Communists or people on the left?
Post by: iolanik on June 05, 2019, 10:18:45 AM
ahhhh Telegraph Ave on a Saturday afternoon
Amoeba Records, Cody's Books....
I miss those days
but dating totally sucks in the Bay Area if you're a straight guy
worse place EVER for me
best place for me in the USA was Manhattan
best place on Earth was Kyiv
I slept with super models in Kyiv when I was younger
I was in shock the first time it happened
I though I entered into some opposite universe


Krimster...Oh you should see the "girls" that are in Berkeley now. As you stated, Telegraph ave walking down from the Cal Campus to Dwight ave..sitting strumming guitars, high on weed, panhadling with their hairy ass legs, facila hair, some may be bald with large gauge piercings. Then in San FranSICKO, you have the women who march for whatever metoo cause, antitrump, anti illegal alien, or any other socialist cause they can congregate for and block traffic. ahh yes, the city by the bay..where if you dont clean up your dog's shit can result in a $320 ticket but people shitting in the street is absolutely acceptable. (No joke, look it up!)
Title: Re: Do Girls from Russia and Ukraine date Communists or people on the left?
Post by: krimster2 on June 05, 2019, 10:36:37 AM
I was pretty happy when I left the Bay Area, I only miss the weather, and some old friends and not much else...
the bay area is what drove me to Ukraine
if I could've handled living in Manhattan, I would've been quite happy with my choices there!!
Title: Re: Do Girls from Russia and Ukraine date Communists or people on the left?
Post by: ML on June 05, 2019, 10:38:01 AM
. . . I guy in his mid 20's having sex with a 40 yr old is one HELL of a learning experience
in Arlington when I was in high school . . .

Took a while to complete high school . . . huh !!  :-))

But, to fess up . . . I only completed 10th grade of high school.
Title: Re: Do Girls from Russia and Ukraine date Communists or people on the left?
Post by: krimster2 on June 05, 2019, 10:48:40 AM
my terse writing style is describing two separate periods of my life...
I was lucky because my home was not far from my University
by the time I started college I knew the DC area very intimately, and was part of a big social network that made life there VERY easy for me...

Title: Re: Do Girls from Russia and Ukraine date Communists or people on the left?
Post by: GQBlues on June 05, 2019, 10:56:46 AM
... Then in San FranSICKO, you have the women who march for whatever metoo cause, antitrump, anti illegal alien, or any other socialist cause they can congregate for and block traffic. ahh yes, the city by the bay..where if you dont clean up your dog's shit can result in a $320 ticket but people shitting in the street is absolutely acceptable. (No joke, look it up!)

 :-X

Yeah well, the dude who ran that city is now running the state. Between him, Pelosi, Feinstein and Garcetti - feces-ladened, garbage strewn, typhoid/bubonic plague infested sidewalks all throughout the state, not just SF, is becoming a reality sooner than later. The only reprieve in Gavin's election was it marked the end of Brown's administration. Slightly.

Wifey used to like SF, a lot. First 6 years of her arrival, we'd be at St Francis for their NYE's bash (first one was at Hyatt Embarcadero). It was then a yearly tradition for us including eating at Morton's across the street for our NYE's dinner before the bash. She also liked that walk from Union Square to P39/F-wharf. Today, as a registered Republican, I couldn't pay her for a weekend trip up there.
Title: Re: Do Girls from Russia and Ukraine date Communists or people on the left?
Post by: iolanik on June 05, 2019, 11:01:04 AM
Since there are so many gay guys there, I would think the straight guys would be in big demand by the straight gals.

Or is there a shortage of straight gals also ?

ML:  Communist/socialist Leftard feminists are also straight...does it matter?
Title: Re: Do Girls from Russia and Ukraine date Communists or people on the left?
Post by: iolanik on June 05, 2019, 11:05:10 AM
:-X

Yeah well, the dude who ran that city is now running the state. Between him, Pelosi, Feinstein and Garcetti - feces-ladened, garbage strewn, typhoid/bubonic plague infested sidewalks all throughout the state, not just SF, is becoming a reality sooner than later. The only reprieve in Gavin's election was it marked the end of Brown's administration. Slightly.

Wifey used to like SF, a lot. First 6 years of her arrival, we'd be at St Francis for their NYE's bash (first one was at Hyatt Embarcadero). It was then a yearly tradition for us including eating at Morton's across the street for our NYE's dinner before the bash. She also liked that walk from Union Square to P39/F-wharf. Today, as a registered Republican, I couldn't pay her for a weekend trip up there.

Braddah, Union square is full of hookers now. The city is a toilet. CA politics is a joke bc these bozos have been in office since the 80s (Arnold being the temporary exception) and nothings been done.
I cant wait to leave this toilet however, I saw my neighborhood real estate agent walking her dog last night and we talked about the neighborhood housing prices. She said current market for our neighborhood is $1.2M  I nearly fainted. Big Island Pu'uohonuaHo'naunau area, your son will be returning shortly!
Title: Re: Do Girls from Russia and Ukraine date Communists or people on the left?
Post by: Boethius on June 05, 2019, 11:06:34 AM

ML:  Communist/socialist Leftard feminists are also straight...does it matter?


It doesn't matter to any of you.  Those women are young, mostly American, educated, and therefore, not looking to date men decades older than they are, nor seeking to be attractive to those men.

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Title: Re: Do Girls from Russia and Ukraine date Communists or people on the left?
Post by: GQBlues on June 05, 2019, 11:30:32 AM
Braddah, Union square is full of hookers now. The city is a toilet. CA politics is a joke bc these bozos have been in office since the 80s (Arnold being the temporary exception) and nothings been done.

That's too bad really. I always liked SF. We used to live in Campbell, and remember driving up the city was always a fun adventure. The state's politician's are fairly zany. Every city is broke. The 4th/5th largest economic state, the state being a sanctuary state - yet every city is broke. Go figure. We just had a special election yesterday here in LALA...an attempt to tax us for more money. Ours is Measure 'EE'. We're told the school (LAUSD) needs more money to educate our kids (LMAO, right!). Happy to know there's still a slight majority who haven't completely lost sanity and bit into that.
http://ballotpedia.org/Los_Angeles_County,_California_ballot_measures

With Gavin's current migrant exodus leading them to the promised land, best they tax these eager libs - not us - and let them take care of their politician's social experiment.


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I cant wait to leave this toilet however, I saw my neighborhood real estate agent walking her dog last night and we talked about the neighborhood housing prices. She said current market for our neighborhood is $1.2M  I nearly fainted.

Older brother have a 3 story, 4 bedroom Victorian home on Noe Street. Fully paid. Sez it's his retirement plan and soon to ditch the city before it gets trashed..

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Big Island Pu'uohonuaHo'naunau area, your son will be returning shortly!

Big shout-out on that. Reminded me of a long time ex-girlfriend who attended Kamuela Preparatory Academy. A Georgia-peach lass From Savannah.
Title: Re: Do Girls from Russia and Ukraine date Communists or people on the left?
Post by: iolanik on June 05, 2019, 11:47:09 AM
That's too bad really. I always liked SF. We used to live in Campbell, and remember driving up the city was always a fun adventure. The state's politician's are fairly zany. Every city is broke. The 4th/5th largest economic state, the state being a sanctuary state - yet every city is broke. Go figure. We just had a special election yesterday here in LALA...an attempt to tax us for more money. Ours is Measure 'EE'. We're told the school (LAUSD) needs more money to educate our kids (LMAO, right!). Happy to know there's still a slight majority who haven't completely lost sanity and bit into that.
http://ballotpedia.org/Los_Angeles_County,_California_ballot_measures

With Gavin's current migrant exodus leading them to the promised land, best they tax these eager libs - not us - and let them take care of their politician's social experiment.


Older brother have a 3 story, 4 bedroom Victorian home on Noe Street. Fully paid. Sez it's his retirement plan and soon to ditch the city before it gets trashed..


GQ: What city in LA you live in? I have a daughter in Arcadia that I drive down to see from time to time. Also my best friend from college lives in Valencia across the frwy from Magic Mtn.  Im coming down to San Diego for a Big Cigar event in August.
Title: Re: Do Girls from Russia and Ukraine date Communists or people on the left?
Post by: tfcrew on June 08, 2019, 02:59:16 PM
My family, and husband's were victims of all those "cool communists".  Most of husband's family was liquidated.  Mine were fortunate, as they lived in Western Ukraine, so were only sent to gulags.
We saw History Smithsonian channels' Apocalypse WW2 ..the part about the Nazi invasion of Ukraine. It seems that Ukraine got the worst of both worlds. Feeling 'liberated' from Stalin...[Goering shows up and decides 'zum Teufel mit ihnen' or roughly-to hell with them]- and commands the Ukrainians be worked until they starved. The Ukrainian Jews were then systematically butchered.
Who was really worse...Stalin? Hitler? Or the ones who carried out their orders? A toss-up huh?