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Title: Trip debacle
Post by: odba on January 27, 2018, 08:41:11 PM
I was approached by Mila Lobunko in September of 2016 on this forum offering to introduce me to her "friends." I suppose she monitors the Starting Out section for new clients. Since I was very busy with work, I was finally able to go in February 2017. Why did I choose to engage her? Because of recommendations on this forum. I was also cautioned against using her services but I didnít listen. Serves me right to trust opinions of people whom I don't know personally.

to be continued.......
Title: Re: Trip debacle
Post by: Lord of the Dance on January 27, 2018, 10:17:03 PM
Hey, I just recently received a PM from Mila introducing herself. I responded but then never heard back... this was about 10 days ago.
Title: Re: Trip debacle
Post by: msmob on January 27, 2018, 10:31:21 PM
I was approached by Mila Lobunko in September of 2016 on this forum offering to introduce me to her "friends." I suppose she monitors the Starting Out section for new clients. Since I was very busy with work, I was finally able to go in February 2017. Why did I choose to engage her? Because of recommendations on this forum. I was also cautioned against using her services but I didnít listen. Serves me right to trust opinions of people whom I don't know personally.

to be continued.......

Yeah, I also read you removed our Ed from your list as you heard, "he charges 20K..." 
Title: Re: Trip debacle
Post by: Anotherkiwi on January 28, 2018, 04:38:49 AM
...Why did I choose to engage her? Because of recommendations on this forum. I was also cautioned against using her services but I didnít listen. Serves me right to trust opinions of people whom I don't know personally...

Um...can't you see the dichotomy here?

You didn't (and presumably still don't) know any of the people who recommended Mila, but the same applies to those who cautioned you.  How could you possibly know which group to listen to?

I'm presuming that you had a bad experience, because you would have phrased this introduction differently if it had been good, so I'll wait for your further details.
Title: Re: Trip debacle
Post by: ML on January 28, 2018, 05:17:32 PM
If given the choice, I would give more weight to those who caution against using someone's services over those who recommend.

Reason . . . they have probably observed the helper when things go sideways.
Title: Re: Trip debacle
Post by: Trenchcoat on January 30, 2018, 03:15:43 PM
I was approached by Mila Lobunko in September of 2016 on this forum offering to introduce me to her "friends." I suppose she monitors the Starting Out section for new clients. Since I was very busy with work, I was finally able to go in February 2017. Why did I choose to engage her? Because of recommendations on this forum. I was also cautioned against using her services but I didnít listen. Serves me right to trust opinions of people whom I don't know personally.

to be continued.......

Why leave it to nearly a year later to complain about it on here? There was another guy that was complaining about her services a few months back on here, a Greek guy. I believe she agreed to be more up front about the costs to services rendered as they occurred. So we await more recent experience of some one using her services. I think there was some other guy that said he would go out there around February this year and let us know.

Other issue the Greek guy had was whether he was being played into spending more meetings with the women for extra terp time expense. It looked dubious but if you put yourself in that situation then stuff like that will no doubt play on your mind.

Another poster, Treadmill dude (TMD) suggested Mila is best at sounding out girls rather than hooking you up with one. I think he may have a point. If say like I said in another thread only 1 in 20 girks are attracted to you (and even that may be on the slightly high side) then it's likely to take several hundred dollops to a grands worth or so for anything to turn up - that's assuming they are all on the level.
Title: Re: Trip debacle
Post by: Boethius on January 30, 2018, 03:43:42 PM
No one is obligated to post here.  That said, the OP should conclude his trip report, so readers can determine if his complaints are reasonable.  All of the interpreters who have posted here have had complaints against them, and on balance, those complaints are often unreasonable (note - I make no judgement about OP at this time).
Title: Re: Trip debacle
Post by: wallm on January 31, 2018, 09:02:55 AM
Writing a trip report here is a futile exercise. Most of the experts will tell you how you are wrong at every turn and how they would have handled it perfectly. There are a handful of people who are sensible and you will know who they are. Watch out for her groupies who will get their panties in a bunch if you say anything negative.
Title: Re: Trip debacle
Post by: Boethius on January 31, 2018, 09:17:30 AM

Here are the last seven trip reports.   I didn't include two, one of which was about Mila's services, and I/O's update, which is not really a TR.  With the exception of rw-recruiter, who did have some negative comments, please point to all these posts telling the OP how he could have done everything better -

http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=22388.0


http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=21641.0


http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=22274.0


http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=3432.0


http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=22120.0


http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=22251.0


http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=22039.0

Title: Re: Trip debacle
Post by: BillyB on January 31, 2018, 09:39:21 AM
With the exception of rw-recruiter, who did have some negative comments,



 His agency girl collected money from naive men writing to her. Recruiter makes the trip to meet her, he makes the big bucks, and according to him, he's her dream man. Unfortunately he doesn't want to get married and realistically he can't legally bring her into in America. Surprisingly, Recruiter knows ways to bring in illegals and drugs into Florida by way of boat. Last we heard from him was he was going to smuggle his girl into America risking her getting caught and banned from ever coming into America. Romantic? What's positive about this story? Hope he comes back to finish it but I doubt it.
Title: Re: Trip debacle
Post by: BillyB on January 31, 2018, 09:44:10 AM
to be continued.......



Please continue.


Hey, I just recently received a PM from Mila introducing herself. I responded but then never heard back... this was about 10 days ago.


She may be busy driving a client all over the country. You may get a message back later. Keep contacting ladies. Don't wait for others to hook you up.
Title: Re: Trip debacle
Post by: Lord of the Dance on February 02, 2018, 02:09:42 AM
She may be busy driving a client all over the country. You may get a message back later. Keep contacting ladies. Don't wait for others to hook you up.

Good thoughts!
Title: Re: Trip debacle
Post by: msmob on February 02, 2018, 04:46:28 AM
Good thoughts!

Hardly, not answering prostrate emails is not a good sign, full stop.

No one is THAT busy..

Even if on hols an auto response is easy to setup

Title: Re: Trip debacle
Post by: tfcrew on February 02, 2018, 08:31:19 PM


to be continued.......

When...a year from now?
Title: Re: Trip debacle
Post by: Lord of the Dance on February 02, 2018, 11:50:02 PM
Hardly, not answering prostrate emails is not a good sign, full stop.

No one is THAT busy..

Even if on hols an auto response is easy to setup

I suppose my comment more pertained to BillyB's suggestion to keep contacting ladies in the meantime (though as I've stated previously, not even ready to do that yet... I only responded to Mila's email to be polite, I was just surprised when I didn't hear back).

Moby you are right that there's really no excuse to not at least acknowledge receipt of a mail... it would seem that many professionals from all walks of industry suffer from that 'ailment.'
Title: Re: Trip debacle
Post by: Lord of the Dance on February 02, 2018, 11:51:50 PM
When...a year from now?

 :D  :crackwhip:
Title: Re: Trip debacle
Post by: Trenchcoat on February 03, 2018, 03:05:26 AM
I suppose my comment more pertained to BillyB's suggestion to keep contacting ladies in the meantime (though as I've stated previously, not even ready to do that yet... I only responded to Mila's email to be polite, I was just surprised when I didn't hear back).

I think you are right to move when you are ready, this is what I do. I think BillyB meant more once you're in a position to move on this keep messaging them. I myself do not bother much till the weather is decent and I know what strategy I am using as this affects when to start making contacts.  Some people on here, mistakenly I believe just think you can keep at it all year but that is not always practical. There's also a bit of learning on all of this Ive found.
Title: Re: Trip debacle
Post by: BillyB on February 03, 2018, 10:24:02 AM
Moby you are right that there's really no excuse to not at least acknowledge receipt of a mail... it would seem that many professionals from all walks of industry suffer from that 'ailment.'



I work in construction as a sub contractor and like Mila, I look for work. I sometimes write General contractors if they have any jobs coming up I can bid on. Sometimes they write back with a list. I don't always respond. If my plate is full, I don't waste time responding to every email out there. You will experience more of this behavior looking for love. A girl will suddenly stop writing you. Don't get upset. Her plate may be full of love and found her man/men she prefers to dedicate her time with.
Title: Re: Trip debacle
Post by: wallm on February 03, 2018, 11:39:11 AM
OP, as I said before, forget this. You haven't written the full report yet and look what is going on already. It will be ugly.

I work in construction as a sub contractor and like Mila, I look for work. I sometimes write General contractors if they have any jobs coming up I can bid on. Sometimes they write back with a list. I don't always respond. If my plate is full, I don't waste time responding to every email out there.

It is common sense to show courtesy. In the amount of time you spend on this forum, you can respond with a single sentence to everyone that sends an offer your way. Recruiters do the same shit as I had said to RWRecruiter a while back. My time is too precious to show you courtesy.... :rolleyes2:
Title: Re: Trip debacle
Post by: BillyB on February 03, 2018, 11:52:40 AM
It is common sense to show courtesy. In the amount of time you spend on this forum, you can respond with a single sentence to everyone that sends an offer your way. Recruiters do the same shit as I had said to RWRecruiter a while back. My time is too precious to show you courtesy.... :rolleyes:





If a General Contractor sends me a list of projects asking me to bid and I'm busy, I don't need to respond except with a dollar amount. I've got tens of thousands of emails and they probably have even more. There's other subs that will give them bids so it's not the end of the world if I don't reply back. If I need work, I will respond with a bid. All they care about is the lowest bid.


Me: Thank you for giving me the opportunity to bid your jobs.
General: No, thank you for considering bidding our jobs.
Me: No, you deserve all the thanks for considering me for the job. It would be a pleasure to work with you.
General: You are so kind. Although you may be the highest bidder, we'll take you because you are so courteous.


All that isn't necessary. People shouldn't get their feelings hurt if someone doesn't reply to the last email. Somebody has to write the last email anyway. More important things to worry about. General Contractors only care about the lowest price. Lord of the Dance shouldn't put his life on hold for other people to hook him up and wondering why a reply didn't happen.
Title: Re: Trip debacle
Post by: Anotherkiwi on February 03, 2018, 06:38:10 PM
If a General Contractor sends me a list of projects asking me to bid and I'm busy, I don't need to respond except with a dollar amount. I've got tens of thousands of emails and they probably have even more. There's other subs that will give them bids so it's not the end of the world if I don't reply back. If I need work, I will respond with a bid. All they care about is the lowest bid.

That may well be true in your industry, because there are many companies doing the same sort of work, and many more sub-contractors who are competing for a slice of any particular pie.  However, that response isn't necessarily "one size fits all."  Just as an example, my company has been working for several months on preparing a bid for a very specialised project which will be worth well into eight figures to the successful tenderer.  For part of this work, we have contacted suppliers of certain items from literally all around the world, their portion of the final work being worth several million dollars in itself.

Me: Thank you for giving me the opportunity to bid your jobs.

This is the response we received from most of those suppliers (hardly surprising, given the amount involved  :D ).

General: No, thank you for considering bidding our jobs.
Me: No, you deserve all the thanks for considering me for the job. It would be a pleasure to work with you.
General: You are so kind. Although you may be the highest bidder, we'll take you because you are so courteous.

All that isn't necessary. People shouldn't get their feelings hurt if someone doesn't reply to the last email. Somebody has to write the last email anyway. More important things to worry about. General Contractors only care about the lowest price.

For us, there is far more to worry about than just the cost.  There are so many variables within our project that, while we may well end up with the lowest bidder, we could end up with any of the others if what they can supply is a better overall package.

People don't necessarily get hurt feelings if someone doesn't respond to an email (especially if, in a business setting, there's a deadline involved).  What they do feel is (at first) puzzlement, then annoyance, and finally being pissed off at whoever hasn't responded not having the courtesy to respond.  Again, because it's such a specialised project, we've been willing to actually chase some of these suppliers if they haven't come up with answers by deadlines - not something we would ever normally consider, and not something I guess that you would do either!  Because of the nature of our work, there have been times in the past when we HAVE used the highest bidder, especially if it's a contractor we've used before and whose quality of work we know to be exponentially better than someone else who has replied with a lower bid.

Lord of the Dance shouldn't put his life on hold for other people to hook him up and wondering why a reply didn't happen.

All of what I've written above specifically applies to a business setting.  However, I'm firmly in agreement with wallm on this one:

It is common sense to show courtesy. In the amount of time you spend on this forum, you can respond with a single sentence to everyone that sends an offer your way.

Again, while he is responding to Billy's comment about contractors, I don't see why FSU women can't end things with a simple response along the lines of:

Dear LOTD, I'm sorry, but I don't think we're a good enough match to continue this correspondence.  Good luck in your search.

I've written something similar to this to every FSU woman that I didn't think was the future Mrs Anotherkiwi.

Sure, you may be puzzled as to WHY she thinks this way, especially if things have been going well from your point of view.  But, as has been written here many times before, you're finished if you ever get such an email.  The WHY is not as important as the fact that she HAS ended it, so you have to simply accept it and then, as Billy (and everyone else) has said, try to forget her and just start looking for someone else.

Don't forget, though, that many FSUW have complained that they were left in the dark as to why their cyber boyfriend stopped writing, so it's not a one-way street.   I would like to hope that EVERYONE in such a situation would notify the end but, unfortunately, we don't live in a courteous paradise!
Title: Re: Trip debacle
Post by: BillyB on February 03, 2018, 07:43:17 PM
my company has been working for several months on preparing a bid for a very specialised project which will be worth well into eight figures to the successful tenderer.



For eight figures, I'd not only be extremely nice, I'd kiss some ass.


I don't see why FSU women can't end things with a simple response along the lines of:

Dear LOTD, I'm sorry, but I don't think we're a good enough match to continue this correspondence.  Good luck in your search.



A few do, most do not. Just the way life is over there. A guy complaining/crying over the behavior of most FSU women isn't going to do him any good. Women who tend to get the most attention and thousands of messages are more likely to disappear without saying goodbye.
Title: Re: Trip debacle
Post by: odba on February 04, 2018, 10:03:10 AM
Um...can't you see the dichotomy here?

You didn't (and presumably still don't) know any of the people who recommended Mila, but the same applies to those who cautioned you.  How could you possibly know which group to listen to?

Good point. One of the members here sent me a message telling me to not use her and he gave me reasons which seemed plausible. In hindsight he was right. I just chose to believe the numerous positive ones. I am not blaming anyone here for my failure on that trip. It was said tongue in cheek. I made the choice to hire her and it was a stupid decision on my part. I was unable to devote enough time to this and chose what I thought was a quicker way. Wrong.
Title: Re: Trip debacle
Post by: Trenchcoat on February 04, 2018, 10:57:14 AM
Odba, don't worry this search takes a bit of time and learning along the way. It's no bad thing not to get it right first time as one or a few wrong turns normally make it better in getting on the right path. Just learn from the mistake and try another route.
Title: Re: Trip debacle
Post by: Lord of the Dance on February 06, 2018, 02:33:39 AM
I think you are right to move when you are ready, this is what I do. I think BillyB meant more once you're in a position to move on this keep messaging them. I myself do not bother much till the weather is decent and I know what strategy I am using as this affects when to start making contacts.  Some people on here, mistakenly I believe just think you can keep at it all year but that is not always practical. There's also a bit of learning on all of this Ive found.

I'm still not sure about the whole 'meeting women online' thing... I'm eager to begin some travel and perhaps just meet my special someone in person. It just seems more natural than writing to people over the internet (who might not even be 'real'). But in either case, I'm in no rush. 
Title: Re: Trip debacle
Post by: Lord of the Dance on February 06, 2018, 02:36:58 AM

I work in construction as a sub contractor and like Mila, I look for work. I sometimes write General contractors if they have any jobs coming up I can bid on. Sometimes they write back with a list. I don't always respond. If my plate is full, I don't waste time responding to every email out there. You will experience more of this behavior looking for love. A girl will suddenly stop writing you. Don't get upset. Her plate may be full of love and found her man/men she prefers to dedicate her time with.

I will concede that your point does hold merit in the realm of practicality. In the kingdom of politeness however, I would have to hold an alternative opinion. 
Title: Re: Trip debacle
Post by: Lord of the Dance on February 06, 2018, 02:41:49 AM
OP, as I said before, forget this. You haven't written the full report yet and look what is going on already. It will be ugly.

It is common sense to show courtesy. In the amount of time you spend on this forum, you can respond with a single sentence to everyone that sends an offer your way. Recruiters do the same shit as I had said to RWRecruiter a while back. My time is too precious to show you courtesy.... :rolleyes2:

I agree with you wallm, it is only proper to show some courtesy in communications. Besides, you never know when you might be communicating with a multimillionaire who'll prove to be your most awesome client (unlikely perhaps, but it could happen)! 
Title: Re: Trip debacle
Post by: Lord of the Dance on February 06, 2018, 02:43:49 AM
Lord of the Dance shouldn't put his life on hold for other people to hook him up and wondering why a reply didn't happen.

A valid point.
Title: Re: Trip debacle
Post by: Lord of the Dance on February 06, 2018, 02:53:20 AM
That may well be true in your industry, because there are many companies doing the same sort of work, and many more sub-contractors who are competing for a slice of any particular pie.  However, that response isn't necessarily "one size fits all."  Just as an example, my company has been working for several months on preparing a bid for a very specialised project which will be worth well into eight figures to the successful tenderer.  For part of this work, we have contacted suppliers of certain items from literally all around the world, their portion of the final work being worth several million dollars in itself.

This is the response we received from most of those suppliers (hardly surprising, given the amount involved  :D ).

For us, there is far more to worry about than just the cost.  There are so many variables within our project that, while we may well end up with the lowest bidder, we could end up with any of the others if what they can supply is a better overall package.

People don't necessarily get hurt feelings if someone doesn't respond to an email (especially if, in a business setting, there's a deadline involved).  What they do feel is (at first) puzzlement, then annoyance, and finally being pissed off at whoever hasn't responded not having the courtesy to respond.  Again, because it's such a specialised project, we've been willing to actually chase some of these suppliers if they haven't come up with answers by deadlines - not something we would ever normally consider, and not something I guess that you would do either!  Because of the nature of our work, there have been times in the past when we HAVE used the highest bidder, especially if it's a contractor we've used before and whose quality of work we know to be exponentially better than someone else who has replied with a lower bid.

All of what I've written above specifically applies to a business setting.  However, I'm firmly in agreement with wallm on this one:

Again, while he is responding to Billy's comment about contractors, I don't see why FSU women can't end things with a simple response along the lines of:

Dear LOTD, I'm sorry, but I don't think we're a good enough match to continue this correspondence.  Good luck in your search.

I've written something similar to this to every FSU woman that I didn't think was the future Mrs Anotherkiwi.

Sure, you may be puzzled as to WHY she thinks this way, especially if things have been going well from your point of view.  But, as has been written here many times before, you're finished if you ever get such an email.  The WHY is not as important as the fact that she HAS ended it, so you have to simply accept it and then, as Billy (and everyone else) has said, try to forget her and just start looking for someone else.

Don't forget, though, that many FSUW have complained that they were left in the dark as to why their cyber boyfriend stopped writing, so it's not a one-way street.   I would like to hope that EVERYONE in such a situation would notify the end but, unfortunately, we don't live in a courteous paradise!

I'm in general agreement with this sentiment... like holding a door, a quick response is simple and polite. It's not the end of the world when someone ignores you, but I believe those simple acts of kindness are what really make the world go 'round.

Incidentally, through invitation of Mila's business website, I sent her a Facebook friend request which has also gone unanswered up to this point (in all fairness to her, and as some have pointed out, maybe she's just busy at the moment and will respond later).
Title: Re: Trip debacle
Post by: lyndontom on February 06, 2018, 02:59:08 AM

I agree with you wallm, it is only proper to show some courtesy in communications. Besides, you never know when you might be communicating with a multimillionaire who'll prove to be your most awesome client (unlikely perhaps, but it could happen)!

I partly agree on the courtesy thing, but I've found it's commonplace with any agency, hotel, apartment or whatever type service in the FSU if you indicate no short-term plans.  Write to her again when you're seriously thinking about doing something. From your posts you don't even have a vague idea of what you're going to do.

You could be a billionaire, but if you're not a man of action you'll only waste her time and yours. Would you prefer someone went on a massive sales pitch to you?

I get emails every day from people saying I'll do this and that in 12 months time...great, write back to me in 11 months time!
Title: Re: Trip debacle
Post by: ML on February 06, 2018, 08:06:29 AM
I'm eager to begin some travel and perhaps just meet my special someone in person.

Sure, it's always best to eventually meet in person.
But the question is . . . how are you going to arrange this meeting?
That is the beauty of internet dating . . . to make the arrangement.
Title: Re: Trip debacle
Post by: Trenchcoat on February 06, 2018, 08:29:40 AM
I'm still not sure about the whole 'meeting women online' thing... I'm eager to begin some travel and perhaps just meet my special someone in person. It just seems more natural than writing to people over the internet (who might not even be 'real'). But in either case, I'm in no rush.

I think you're right, meeting in person is best. Dating sites can help facilitate this once over there as roaming around and waiting for someone to pop up whose single may not be easy. Writung online can help in finding out more about the FSU and the dating scene there and also determining characteristics of scammers. If I were me starting back two years ago this is what I should have used it for and left the dating till I got there had I known. Still the experience all adds up and it's been a fun journey for the most part so far but that is how I would have done stuff differently now I think.
Title: Re: Trip debacle
Post by: BillyB on February 06, 2018, 09:56:34 AM
In the kingdom of politeness however, I would have to hold an alternative opinion.



Keep in mind, nice guys don't finish last or first because they are nice. I"m sure Mila has wrote a bunch of guys and many didn't respond. I doubt she's depressed over those who don't write back or who writes back but later stops writing. Don't let what happened bother you. If she ends up writing you back and offers you a good deal, don't pass up a good deal.