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Title: Russian convicted of spying for the Brits poisoned (?) in the UK West Country ?
Post by: msmob on March 05, 2018, 11:45:28 AM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43295134 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43295134)

Critically ill man 'former Russian spy'


"A man who is critically ill after being exposed to an unknown substance in Wiltshire is a Russian national convicted of spying for Britain, the BBC understands.

Sergei Skripal, who is 66, was granted refuge in the UK following a "spy swap" between the US and Russia in 2010.

Police declared a major incident on Sunday after a man and a woman were reported ill at a shopping centre in Salisbury.

The substance has not been identified.

Police are investigating whether a crime has been committed, following the incident which began at 16:15 GMT on Sunday at the Maltings shopping centre in central Salisbury.

Skripal, who is a retired Russian military intelligence colonel, was jailed for 13 years in 2006 for spying for Britain."
Title: Re: Russian convicted of spying for the Brits poisoned (?) in the UK West Country ?
Post by: ML on March 05, 2018, 12:27:44 PM
Yakov Smirnoff, the comedian used to say (way back when) that in USA you can always find a party; while in USSR the party always finds you.

Things have not changed that much.
Title: Re: Russian convicted of spying for the Brits poisoned (?) in the UK West Country ?
Post by: msmob on March 05, 2018, 01:02:58 PM
Yakov Smirnoff, the comedian used to say (way back when) that in USA you can always find a party; while in USSR the party always finds you.

Things have not changed that much.

The anti-terrorist unit is NOT involved ..

After Litvenenko - you'd think they would be - if they suspected a foreign power's involvement
Title: Re: Russian convicted of spying for the Brits poisoned (?) in the UK West Country ?
Post by: msmob on March 06, 2018, 02:48:02 AM
Now the anti-terrorist unit are involved and the UK govt are calling this a serious incident.

I would seem that the previous UK govt policy of down-playing away-games by Russians in the UK is finished.

The Kremlin say they know nothing of the incident
Title: Re: Russian convicted of spying for the Brits poisoned (?) in the UK West Country ?
Post by: BillyB on March 06, 2018, 09:41:22 AM

Russians naturally have a higher chance of accidently choking themselves on a rope, catching bullets with their chest, ingesting radioactive poisons, and falling out of windows. Why would anybody expect foul play?
Title: Re: Russian convicted of spying for the Brits poisoned (?) in the UK West Country ?
Post by: tfcrew on March 08, 2018, 10:38:12 AM


His daughter was also attacked and a first responder police also became sick.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-43326734
Title: Re: Russian convicted of spying for the Brits poisoned (?) in the UK West Country ?
Post by: msmob on March 08, 2018, 12:48:26 PM
Yes, she is Russian resident and was visiting

The Policeman is now sitting up in bed - but it seems that the nerve agent has effected his motor functions - he MAY recover  - only time will tell

Papa and daughter are still critical

It's the next county to me
Title: Re: Russian convicted of spying for the Brits poisoned (?) in the UK West Country ?
Post by: BillyB on March 08, 2018, 10:37:00 PM

Moby, Russia has a habit of importing chemical weapons and radioactive poisons in your country to assassinate people. What's the UK going to do about it?
Title: Re: Russian convicted of spying for the Brits poisoned (?) in the UK West Country ?
Post by: msmob on March 08, 2018, 11:55:06 PM
Moby, Russia has a habit of importing chemical weapons and radioactive poisons in your country to assassinate people. What's the UK going to do about it?

1/ First it has to find the evidence it WAS state sponsored

2/ Russia has no extradition treaty with the UK

3/ It is part of the EU - and can't really do anything - unless all other nations agree  re Sanctions - as Russia would care if 'we' did increase sanctions

4/ May be seize dubious sourced funds in the UK ?


Just like Litvenenko - nothing, really - unless 'We' send in 007 and reciprocate ?

Title: Re: Russian convicted of spying for the Brits poisoned (?) in the UK West Country ?
Post by: msmob on March 09, 2018, 02:28:39 AM
 Pervy Kanal New anchor 'warning' ..

 'rare that traitors live to old age'

http://www.independent.co.uk/video/News/sergei-skripal-russian-state-tv-anchor-kirill-kleimenov-rare-traitors-live-old-age-a8246666.html (http://www.independent.co.uk/video/News/sergei-skripal-russian-state-tv-anchor-kirill-kleimenov-rare-traitors-live-old-age-a8246666.html)

..and Sergey Lavror says we're being 'hysterical' ? ;) ...


Title: Re: Russian convicted of spying for the Brits poisoned (?) in the UK West Country ?
Post by: tfcrew on March 09, 2018, 03:44:37 PM

Quote
At least 19 others in the area also suffered some exposure. Luke Harding is a reporter for The Guardian in London and the author of a book on another ex-Russian spy poisoned on British soil, Alexander Litvinenko. Harding says this attack was meant to send a message.

http://www.npr.org/2018/03/08/592046380/speculation-continues-in-britain-after-ex-russian-spy-was-poisoned-by-nerve-agen
Title: Re: Russian convicted of spying for the Brits poisoned (?) in the UK West Country ?
Post by: BillyB on March 09, 2018, 07:44:44 PM

Russia says this incident is part of an anti Russian campaign the West and media is on. UK needs to figure out how to stop WMDs from being smuggled into their country. I'm sure terrorists in Syria are paying attention to this incident.
Title: Re: Russian convicted of spying for the Brits poisoned (?) in the UK West Country ?
Post by: msmob on March 12, 2018, 01:54:47 PM
Well, there's Billyb's and Russia's 'theory's' and the UK govt. says..

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43377856 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43377856)

Russian spy: Highly likely Moscow behind attack, says Theresa May

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Title: Re: Russian convicted of spying for the Brits poisoned (?) in the UK West Country ?
Post by: BillyB on March 12, 2018, 03:32:44 PM
Well, there's Billyb's and Russia's 'theory's' and the UK govt. says..


Your government has a theory and suspects Russia did it. I never offered a theory. I said Russia did it.
Title: Re: Russian convicted of spying for the Brits poisoned (?) in the UK West Country ?
Post by: msmob on March 13, 2018, 05:10:07 AM
Well, it's all kicked off in the UK - with the PM stating on the evidence so far - the poison used was a Russian designed nerve agent - 'Novichok' ( New kind ?)   

In combination with RU state-owned media suggesting the 'UK isn't a safe place for traitors' it does rather point to a hit that used the sort of stuff only states control.

The UK isn't well-known for Maskirovka ( deception ) - nor bumping off / taking out opposition....   Moscow does seem  to have a large number of unfortunate events befalling opposition folk abroad and even has legislation to allow retribution

On a personal front, I don't want RU - UK visas to be affected for normal folks 

Two sides of the coin:
UK.http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43381880
 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43381880)

Russia: http://www.rt.com/news/421126-lavrov-response-uk-skripal/ (http://www.rt.com/news/421126-lavrov-response-uk-skripal/)


I hardly think Mrs May is 'under pressure' to blame the Kremlin... if the boot was on the other foot - and ( say ) Philby had been killed by a UK brand of nerve agent....

IF Moscow had jumped in and offered help - instead of the state run media talking about traitors 'not growing old' - they'd look a LOT less 'guilty'
Title: Re: Russian convicted of spying for the Brits poisoned (?) in the UK West Country ?
Post by: msmob on March 13, 2018, 05:11:17 AM
Your government has a theory and suspects Russia did it. I never offered a theory. I said Russia did it.

..indeed you did.. before the UK govt... 

Title: Re: Russian convicted of spying for the Brits poisoned (?) in the UK West Country ?
Post by: BillyB on March 13, 2018, 10:25:54 AM
I hardly think Mrs May is 'under pressure' to blame the Kremlin...


Those in charge has a responsibility to make sure what happens doesn't happen again. They need to get it right and blame the right party. An ex spy getting assassinated in normal spy games isn't a big deal. A lot of innocent UK citizens got hurt by the chemical weapons Russia smuggled in the country. That is a big deal. If the UK ever gets into conflict with Russia in the future, they need to figure out how to stop the smuggling. Better solve the problems now than later.
Title: Re: Russian convicted of spying for the Brits poisoned (?) in the UK West Country ?
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 13, 2018, 08:18:53 PM
Yes, she is Russian resident and was visiting

The Policeman is now sitting up in bed - but it seems that the nerve agent has effected his motor functions - he MAY recover  - only time will tell

Papa and daughter are still critical

It's the next county to me

Well I certainly hope he regains full motor functions in all the crucial places :D

Salisbury is much nearer to me than Mobers so you can be rest assured I have been keeping the windows closed and only breathing in when absolutely necessary ;D

Generally Salisbury is a unexciting, uninspiring place full of old fuddy duddies so not the sort of place you would expect something like this to go down.

The daughter is apparently doing slightly better than the father but given the younger age that might be expected. Also he may have been the main target for the attack.

The deadline for the Russian reply has now passed. It looks like the Russian response was basically to ask to see evidence of their military grade nerve agent was involved. So the gov't may further discuss the situation with them on this basis or it may state it is seeking a more cohesive response from its allies.

I would be surprised if they moved immediately to any action. I think though in the days to weeks to come it will move to action if there is no other explanation that comes forward. 

Given the action taken last time over the Litvinenko scandal I think the UK will certainly be looking to take a more extensive course of action with Russia this time. Personally I think UK visa's for Russians will come under fire as the UK will want to limit Russian agent activity in the UK to reduce the risk of operations being carried out in the UK. Russia of course can be expected to retaliate with banning visa's for UK citizen for visiting Russia. If as it looks Putin is behind it then he is instigating a new cold war. I think the UK will be focused on defence & security against such further attacks so this action on visa's is probably quite likely.

This is not great for me as you know I was planning a search in Russia later this year. For guys like you Moby I think this will be somewhat worse as it will cut you off from SC. Meaning a meet up in a third country would be your only option, so you could well find yourself living back in Cyprus ;)

My only other thought is if the daughter was part of some spy ring involving this chemical and things went wrong and ended up accidentally poisoning themselves. We shall just have to see what unravels over the course of the next few days I'm thinking.   
Title: Re: Russian convicted of spying for the Brits poisoned (?) in the UK West Country ?
Post by: ML on March 13, 2018, 08:40:03 PM


This is not great for me as you know I was planning a search in Russia later this year.

And some keep wondering why I say such an idea is ludicrous . . . not just for you.
Title: Re: Russian convicted of spying for the Brits poisoned (?) in the UK West Country ?
Post by: DaveNY on March 14, 2018, 01:15:31 AM
Has Putin ordered the assassination of another Russian dissident living in the UK? From the article:

Nikolai Glushkov, a Russian exile who had links to compatriots who died in mysterious circumstances in the UK, has been found dead in his London home, his lawyer confirmed.
London's Metropolitan police said counter terrorism officers would lead the investigation "as a precaution because of associations that the man is believed to have had."

If it's an assassination and even if it looks like suicide it's probably an assassination then is Putin sending a message that the UK is not safe for dissidents? What is the UK going to do? Other than cutting diplomatic relations with Russia and imposing more sanctions there's really not much the UK can do.

http://www.cnn.com/2018/03/13/europe/nikolai-glushkov-russia-intl/index.html
Title: Re: Russian convicted of spying for the Brits poisoned (?) in the UK West Country ?
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 14, 2018, 01:49:12 AM
Has Putin ordered the assassination of another Russian dissident living in the UK? From the article:

Nikolai Glushkov, a Russian exile who had links to compatriots who died in mysterious circumstances in the UK, has been found dead in his London home, his lawyer confirmed.
London's Metropolitan police said counter terrorism officers would lead the investigation "as a precaution because of associations that the man is believed to have had."

If it's an assassination and even if it looks like suicide it's probably an assassination then is Putin sending a message that the UK is not safe for dissidents? What is the UK going to do? Other than cutting diplomatic relations with Russia and imposing more sanctions there's really not much the UK can do.

http://www.cnn.com/2018/03/13/europe/nikolai-glushkov-russia-intl/index.html

A possible assassination, maybe they are moving on their targets quickly now the UK has got wind of their activities. Generally though it looks like Russia may have been at it quietly knocking off many targets, gar more than at first thought. If there has been a systematic campaign of knocking off a lot of families of former turned spies then I cannot see the UK doing anything other than placing severe restrictions on Russians travelling to the UK, if they let them in at all. It will be the only way to retrict the attacks. Beyond that and trade sanctions I can't see much else happening. End of the day they won't be able to collapse Russia just view them as not worth having relationships with.
Title: Re: Russian convicted of spying for the Brits poisoned (?) in the UK West Country ?
Post by: msmob on March 14, 2018, 03:38:37 AM
And some keep wondering why I say such an idea is ludicrous . . . not just for you.

ML: Our partners do not run the Kremlin, may not have voted for the leadership and cannot change anything - even if the wanted to


More people in the US voted for Clinton than 'Trampu' - should 'we' all 'stay away' from the US - if we disagree with the policies of their leadership ?



Title: Re: Russian convicted of spying for the Brits poisoned (?) in the UK West Country ?
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 14, 2018, 07:23:12 AM
Well Visa's for the moment are still on, whether this will last long term we'll just have to see. I think you still have a point ML that Russia is a little more precarious on the foreign relations front as the old East/West divide still persists and could cause immense problems for those pursuing or involved with a Russian girl at any time.
Title: Re: Russian convicted of spying for the Brits poisoned (?) in the UK West Country ?
Post by: jone on March 14, 2018, 09:29:53 AM
Yesterday, it seems, there was a threat to discontinue RT in GB.  Russia quickly responded that they would remove all UK correspondents and reporters from Russia.  Then, in a blatant effort to intimidate GB, the spokesperson said that it is not wise to threaten a 'nuclear power'.  Strong arm tactics.  Seems to be the new Russia.
Title: Re: Russian convicted of spying for the Brits poisoned (?) in the UK West Country ?
Post by: BillyB on March 14, 2018, 09:51:28 AM
If it's an assassination and even if it looks like suicide it's probably an assassination then is Putin sending a message that the UK is not safe for dissidents?


I doubt Russians who move to the UK for a more secure life is looking to commit suicide.

- should 'we' all 'stay away' from the US - if we disagree with the policies of their leadership ?


If Trump starts assassinating Americans with chemical weapons living in the UK that he doesn't like, then yes, stay away from America if we get to that point.
Title: Re: Russian convicted of spying for the Brits poisoned (?) in the UK West Country ?
Post by: jone on March 14, 2018, 10:28:18 AM
23 Diplomats deported back to Russia.  New legislation coming out.  Ability to detain suspected spies at border (previously only suspected terrorists could be detained) and materials inspections all part of a package thrown at Russia.  The price of poker just went up.

May is one pissed off old bird.
Title: Re: Russian convicted of spying for the Brits poisoned (?) in the UK West Country ?
Post by: ML on March 14, 2018, 11:26:15 AM
Well Visa's for the moment are still on, whether this will last long term we'll just have to see. I think you still have a point ML that Russia is a little more precarious on the foreign relations front as the old East/West divide still persists and could cause immense problems for those pursuing or involved with a Russian girl at any time.

Good logic.
Title: Re: Russian convicted of spying for the Brits poisoned (?) in the UK West Country ?
Post by: msmob on March 14, 2018, 11:45:41 AM
Yesterday, it seems, there was a threat to discontinue RT in GB.

No... I don't think RT would remain available in N.Ireland....

What IS it with folk from the US who cannot understand that United Kingdom is the correct term?

Not 'England'....not 'GB'.....UK...OK?)



 
Title: Re: Russian convicted of spying for the Brits poisoned (?) in the UK West Country ?
Post by: alex330 on March 14, 2018, 12:43:03 PM
Grand Britannia should probably make novichok illegal.
Title: Re: Russian convicted of spying for the Brits poisoned (?) in the UK West Country ?
Post by: msmob on March 14, 2018, 01:11:19 PM
Grand Britannia should probably make novichok illegal.

' noli illigitimi corborundum '

and I know it's not ready Latin ;)
Title: Re: Russian convicted of spying for the Brits poisoned (?) in the UK West Country ?
Post by: krimster2 on March 14, 2018, 01:13:02 PM
the only way to stop a bad guy with Novichok, is with a good guy with Novichok!
if Great Britain would allow teachers to carry Novichok the way we do here in America, y’all wouldn’t have this problem, we’re several times the size of Great Britain and yet we haven’t had a single Novichok attack, how ya’all like that? 
and this is all thanks to Donald Trump who is totally making America GREAT again! 
if the liberals will let him arm all the teachers like he wants, he will put an end to all school violence and tardiness, late homework, etc.  you guys should just do whatever Donald Trump says to do like we do in this country! 
BTW, why are you guys putting a woman in charge? 
we had a black guy over here running the show for awhile and he totally destroyed the country and that was bad enough, but no way would we ever let a woman be in charge over here - what’s wrong with you guys! 






 

Title: Re: Russian convicted of spying for the Brits poisoned (?) in the UK West Country ?
Post by: Boethius on March 14, 2018, 01:18:20 PM
 :thumbsup: :applaud: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Russian convicted of spying for the Brits poisoned (?) in the UK West Country ?
Post by: ML on March 14, 2018, 02:03:37 PM
Actually UK is expelling the wrong group.

Russia says that Ukraine did the bad deed.
Title: Re: Russian convicted of spying for the Brits poisoned (?) in the UK West Country ?
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 14, 2018, 04:43:16 PM
Actually UK is expelling the wrong group.

Russia says that Ukraine did the bad deed.

They would also have motive as they could stand to gain by turning UK & Russia on each other. Possibly they might also have the contacts in Russia with their Russian population. Easy though for Russia to cast speculation in Ukraine's direction.
Title: Re: Russian convicted of spying for the Brits poisoned (?) in the UK West Country ?
Post by: 2tallbill on March 14, 2018, 07:34:35 PM
Actually UK is expelling the wrong group.

Russia says that Ukraine did the bad deed.

That makes sense since Ukraine really, really hates it when Russian
spies defect and give up Russian secrets to UK secret agents. Wait
a minute, that probably isn't it.

(http://pbs.twimg.com/media/DYSN0PvW0AAfdeN?format=jpg&name=small)
Title: Re: Russian convicted of spying for the Brits poisoned (?) in the UK West Country ?
Post by: BillyB on March 14, 2018, 11:40:55 PM
Not 'England'....not 'GB'.....UK...OK?)
 

OK?

Russia tells the OK they shouldn't threaten a nuclear power. The only way to stop a bad guy with a nuke is with a good guy with a nuke. Russia also thinks UK's investigation is a circus. Moby, you guys selling tickets to that circus?

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/russia-given-24-hour-deadline-explain-military-grade-nerve-agent-attack-uk-173213606.html

Also in the article one of the developers said there is no cure and health problems may show up years down the road for those exposed. Also if traces of the chemical are left behind, it can last years and affect others who come in contact with it.
Title: Re: Russian convicted of spying for the Brits poisoned (?) in the UK West Country ?
Post by: JayH on March 15, 2018, 12:13:07 AM
It is not that hard to see what is needed by the west.

http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=17626.msg479094;topicseen#msg479094

The namby pamby approach of Obama & Co is a proven failure -- time to treat the Russians to a dose of their own medicine .

Time for the idiot President to huff & puff at a real adversary -- and not some tin pot country !
Title: Re: Russian convicted of spying for the Brits poisoned (?) in the UK West Country ?
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 15, 2018, 01:55:49 AM
OK?

Russia tells the OK they shouldn't threaten a nuclear power. The only way to stop a bad guy with a nuke is with a good guy with a nuke. Russia also thinks UK's investigation is a circus. Moby, you guys selling tickets to that circus?

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/russia-given-24-hour-deadline-explain-military-grade-nerve-agent-attack-uk-173213606.html

Also in the article one of the developers said there is no cure and health problems may show up years down the road for those exposed. Also if traces of the chemical are left behind, it can last years and affect others who come in contact with it.

If both sides have nukes then any threats on nukes are idle. Neither side would accomplish anything other than mutual destruction. End of the day there's no point getting into a nuclear war over a few ex-spies being knocked off. If one side had a missile defense shield that could be relied upon to shoot down all nukes, that might be something but it would still be seen as an unwanted scenario.

I think the investigation could prove fruitful, they seem to be making good progress so far. An investigation may sound weak but it has the power to unearth some powerful info that could prove decisive in any conflict. To give the UK police credit they are normally good at investigating stuff these days so I think it's worthwhile to see what they discover.

Personally I would like to see the UK assist with defeating the rebels in eastern Ukraine. Since the Russians are not supposed to be there anyway it would be something Russia would be unable to argue against but still take the hit. I think this is very doubtful to happen though at least as things stand.
Title: Re: Russian convicted of spying for the Brits poisoned (?) in the UK West Country ?
Post by: msmob on March 15, 2018, 05:34:24 AM
My only question is why - if these nerve agents are so dangerous - is no one dead

I appreciate being serious / critically ill is no fun and a complete recovery may  out of the question

I am astounded at those who refuse to see any positive correlation between 'warnings' to those continuing to act  against the state ( more likely trying to prove state involvement in crime / laundering money  / ownership ( interests ) in offshore companies ) meeting unfortunate early death and thinking it is a 'provocation'
Title: Re: Russian convicted of spying for the Brits poisoned (?) in the UK West Country ?
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 15, 2018, 05:47:27 AM
I think a few of the early measures taken such as building a chemical defense establishment and further powers & checks on Russians entering the country are decent enough response. Militarily though it looks like & I fear our military will be sitting it out on the sidelines holding the latest military gear looking all pristine and doing nothing. I do not see any sense it paying for all the up to date military equipment for it to do that. I think the UK & US etc need to engage Russia (& perhaps China) in the small scale theatres of war like they did back in the cold war. Only by giving Russia  bloody nose and checking its moves will they reign their ambitions in. I rather fear the UK gov/military will be too timid in there willingness to use its armed forces.
Title: Re: Russian convicted of spying for the Brits poisoned (?) in the UK West Country ?
Post by: msmob on March 15, 2018, 06:04:08 AM
I think a few of the early measures taken such as building a chemical defense establishment and further powers & checks on Russians entering the country are decent enough response. Militarily though it looks like & I fear our military will be sitting it out on the sidelines holding the latest military gear looking all pristine and doing nothing. I do not see any sense it paying for all the up to date military equipment for it to do that. I think the UK & US etc need to engage Russia (& perhaps China) in the small scale theatres of war like they did back in the cold war. Only by giving Russia  bloody nose and checking its moves will they reign their ambitions in. I rather fear the UK gov/military will be too timid in there willingness to use its armed forces.

Hmm

the quickest way to get Russian 'onside' with Putin would be to do something that is anti man in the street - Putin plays on nationalism and patriotism
Title: Re: Russian convicted of spying for the Brits poisoned (?) in the UK West Country ?
Post by: BillyB on March 15, 2018, 09:59:58 AM
My only question is why - if these nerve agents are so dangerous - is no one dead


Does anybody know how those chemical agents were administered? Where they shoved up the victims nose or released in the air 10 meters away and let the wind carry the chemicals to the victims? The guy who did the assassination attempt probably did it in a way to protect his life so any error on his part in delivering the chemical weapon gives his target a better chance of survival. Me thinks this is going to cost your health care system and taxpayers big bucks to take care of the victims for the rest of their live lives.
Title: Re: Russian convicted of spying for the Brits poisoned (?) in the UK West Country ?
Post by: msmob on March 15, 2018, 12:18:13 PM
 Spoke to a Russian friend who says the nerve agent can be in a binary format and only when two substances combine, does it become active..


Could be it was administered in two places... 
Title: Re: Russian convicted of spying for the Brits poisoned (?) in the UK West Country ?
Post by: alex330 on March 15, 2018, 01:56:32 PM
The substances would need to be mixed before the payload was delivered. It could have been as simple as aerosol in their car or under the door of their apartment. If it is denser than air as they say the victims may not have received a lethal dose.
Title: Re: Russian convicted of spying for the Brits poisoned (?) in the UK West Country ?
Post by: SANDRO43 on March 15, 2018, 06:31:47 PM
Could be it was administered in two places...
A rather convoluted and unprofessional procedure, would it not be? How could they be sure that the intended victims would visit those 2 places in the necessary time frame ::)?
Title: Re: Russian convicted of spying for the Brits poisoned (?) in the UK West Country ?
Post by: southernX on March 15, 2018, 06:39:33 PM
what is most notable about this issue to me is that the russian gov , knowingly decided to use their novichok nerve gas , in the UK , with the full understanding of its implication on the world stage and consequences it would have once investigated

that is imo a clear sign they want the world to know they will intimidiate anyone anywhere with relative impunity

that is how blase they view the western worlds response as weak and undefined

and to date they have been correct , the response is weak and mainly toothless
this just emboldens putin to raise the stakes even higher next time around   and their will be a next time soon enough

SX
Title: Re: Russian convicted of spying for the Brits poisoned (?) in the UK West Country ?
Post by: BillyB on March 15, 2018, 08:45:01 PM
and to date they have been correct , the response is weak and mainly toothless
this just emboldens putin to raise the stakes even higher next time around   and their will be a next time soon enough

SX

I think you're right. Putin doesn't care what the Western World thinks based off his activities. Trump just applied sanctions on Russia again for the Cyber attacks they did all over the world in 2016. That cost America billions of dollars. Obama did nothing. I also think Trumps sanctions over that event is weak. Putin will continue to think he can get away with things with only a slap on the hand. After the next election, he will be continue to make Russia great again by making other nations worse.
Title: Re: Russian convicted of spying for the Brits poisoned (?) in the UK West Country ?
Post by: ML on March 15, 2018, 09:27:33 PM
Additional financial sanctions on the 13 in SPb who are probably college students with 10 rubles in their pocket.
Title: Re: Russian convicted of spying for the Brits poisoned (?) in the UK West Country ?
Post by: southernX on March 15, 2018, 09:51:02 PM

the problem for teressa may is to penalise russia significantly , she must also take on all the wealthy russian bussiness dollars in the UK 

the UK gov cant even silence RT in theIr country for fear of retribution from russia and its dollars

putin imo is reading the game better and playing to his strategies , the rest of the world are just in awe /catch up mode as to how he continually out plays them

no one is prepared to call his bluff

SX
Title: Re: Russian convicted of spying for the Brits poisoned (?) in the UK West Country ?
Post by: JayH on March 15, 2018, 10:09:25 PM
the problem for teressa may is to penalise russia significantly , she must also take on all the wealthy russian bussiness dollars in the UK 

the UK gov cant even silence RT in theIr country for fear of retribution from russia and its dollars

putin imo is reading the game better and playing to his strategies , the rest of the world are just in awe /catch up mode as to how he continually out plays them

no one is prepared to call his bluff

SX


I am going to keep saying this ---  the west needs to wake up totally and deal with the problem of Putin & Russia.
Simply stand on his throat -- how-
-- stand 100% with Ukraine to force Russia out of the east -- AND CRIMEA
-- apply the pressure to Saudi to collapse the oil price and drive the Russians out of the business

Russia will not do anything the west wants willingly --- only faced with eating it will alter Putin  & Russia.

The point is simple enough-- Ukraine is nearly in a position to militarily beat the Russians  and with the potential of wholehearted western support eg western control of the air and use of technology, would be enough.
Secondly -- cut the money stream off -- completely ! Along with seizing Russian money everywhere .

Those measures will see Putin lose control-- and force Russia to see there is no way out. FULL STOP.
Title: Re: Russian convicted of spying for the Brits poisoned (?) in the UK West Country ?
Post by: southernX on March 15, 2018, 10:18:52 PM
jay that would be tantamount to declaring war openly on russia

the west as you know is too weak to make that decison at present without a major major russian aggression on a nato member imo

SX
Title: Re: Russian convicted of spying for the Brits poisoned (?) in the UK West Country ?
Post by: JayH on March 15, 2018, 10:49:15 PM
No--it is not a declaration . It would keep the bad actors busy try to plug the holes in their dyke --  instead of the many wholes in western dykes they are attempting to create !
Putin and Russia WILL continue on their path -- unless an all out standing on his throat happens. As predicted some years ago --Putin & Russia were not just a Ukrainian problem.

The western leaders could stand and deny that they have any troops anywhere !!
Sure -- there are exercises going on  !! ;D

To make the point that Russia IS AT WAR.

Amongst the news today of the cyber attacks/interference of the US power stations ( including nuclear)   is that an attack( attempt to sabotage) has been made on Saudi  plants  -- why? Who benefits if Saudi oil production capacity falls.?
Throw  in the assistance by RUSSIA to give North Korea long distance capacity and create issues for the US --the attempted provocation in Syria etc and much more.

Time for the world to wake up.
Title: Re: Russian convicted of spying for the Brits poisoned (?) in the UK West Country ?
Post by: southernX on March 15, 2018, 11:13:39 PM
jay

whilst we may wish for your stronger action

we both know that is not going to happen any time soon

western values .conscience ..call it what you will of the worlds leaders currently will wait until they have no other reasonable choice ,

we are not there yet imo ...not to say it wont come anytime in the future though

or if where lucky putin may die while we are waiting and a more moderate leader replace him

SX
Title: Re: Russian convicted of spying for the Brits poisoned (?) in the UK West Country ?
Post by: JayH on March 15, 2018, 11:19:53 PM
Putin will die a lot sooner if he loses Crimea !!
Title: Re: Russian convicted of spying for the Brits poisoned (?) in the UK West Country ?
Post by: BillyB on March 16, 2018, 12:02:15 AM
the west needs to wake up totally and deal with the problem of Putin & Russia.



People needed to deal with Hitler before things got out of hand. How did that work out?


Most people are like you Jay. They don't want war and certainly wouldn't start a smaller one in order to prevent a big one.. You only want it now because of your love for Ukraine. Russia and China are testing the West to see how we respond to their minor land and sea grabs. They doubt the West has the will to fight a two front war with the 2nd and 3rd strongest militarizes allied. I think some of those people running Russia and China don't want to be like everyone else which are nobodies. They want to get into the history books.


western values .conscience ..call it what you will of the worlds leaders currently will wait until they have no other reasonable choice ,



Western values. We're civilized, refined, courteous and afraid to confront bullies. We also want Russia's business and we hope Putin will behave. Putin knows being a tough guy, he'll advance his agenda. He will only back off if he confronts a tougher guy. Sanctions never work. Not on Iran, N Korea, Cuba or Russia.
Title: Re: Russian convicted of spying for the Brits poisoned (?) in the UK West Country ?
Post by: msmob on March 16, 2018, 01:54:25 AM
JayH

Once again, I do not approve of HOW Crimea was 'returned' to Russia, but short of physically removing Russian military from the peninsula, what do you propose...given the vast majority living there were happy to be Russian, again.

E.Ukraine is another matter... VVP loves the destabilising effect of frozen conflicts.

He is happy to see Turkey showing a middle digit to the USA over action against Kurds..

Syria is his weak spot.
Title: Re: Russian convicted of spying for the Brits poisoned (?) in the UK West Country ?
Post by: 2tallbill on March 16, 2018, 06:41:47 AM
I think the investigation could prove fruitful

Personally I would like to see the UK assist with defeating the rebels in eastern Ukraine. Since the Russians are not supposed to be there anyway it would be something Russia would be unable to argue against but still take the hit. I think this is very doubtful to happen though at least as things stand.

They had an investigation about a Passenger plane shot down. How did
that turn out? Even if you proved that Russian did it (which is difficult)
They will just insist that they didn't do it.

The UK couldn't expel Russia from Eastern Ukraine even if they wanted
to. How would the UK even get their army there? Drive across Germany
and Poland? Would they agree to that? Or would they want to avoid
getting sucked into the conflict?

Let's say you got 100,000 members of the UK military into Kiev.
Russia could have 3 times that many massed in Belarus and another
3 times that massed to the East by the time you arrived in Kiev. It
could turn out to be a bit worrisome. 
Title: Re: Russian convicted of spying for the Brits poisoned (?) in the UK West Country ?
Post by: msmob on March 16, 2018, 10:35:09 AM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43433552 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43433552)

UK police have launched a murder investigation after the death of Russian businessman Nikolai Glushkov in south-west London.

Mr Glushkov was found dead at his home in the New Malden area of London on 13 March.

Police say Mr Glushkov, whose family has been informed, died from "compression to the neck".
Title: Re: Russian convicted of spying for the Brits poisoned (?) in the UK West Country ?
Post by: ML on March 16, 2018, 11:29:50 AM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43433552 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43433552)



Police say Mr Glushkov, whose family has been informed, died from "compression to the neck".

Any rope burns or finger marks . . . or neck just did a self-compression ?
Title: Re: Russian convicted of spying for the Brits poisoned (?) in the UK West Country ?
Post by: JayH on March 16, 2018, 03:08:19 PM
Given that he was due in court Monday to give evidence -- we can only marvel at how much money Russia is intent on saving the west !!
Title: Re: Russian convicted of spying for the Brits poisoned (?) in the UK West Country ?
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 16, 2018, 11:07:12 PM
I think the danger comes in Russia swallowing up its break away republics over time. Without them they are not nearly as powerful as they were as the USSR. That is essentially the technique the Bolsheviks used to make the powerful USSR. Even still they are still the largest country on earth. I think that a further break up of Russia is key to putting to bed any dreams they have got of world domination again.
Title: Re: Russian convicted of spying for the Brits poisoned (?) in the UK West Country ?
Post by: msmob on March 17, 2018, 03:28:22 AM
Well, VVP has responded

He's expelled 23 UK Diplomats and closed the British Council  - reserving the right to take further action !

Title: Re: Russian convicted of spying for the Brits poisoned (?) in the UK West Country ?
Post by: BillyB on March 17, 2018, 10:37:50 AM
Well, VVP has responded

He's expelled 23 UK Diplomats and closed the British Council  - reserving the right to take further action !


Is Putin's actions going to crush the UK economically and install fear in it's citizens? Probably not. Goes to show you how weak the UK's actions on Russia was. Me thinks the assassinations will continue. It may be a few years before Putin tries a number of assassinations in the UK again but it will happen again because it's important he lets Russians know they aren't getting away with betraying him and Russia.
Title: Re: Russian convicted of spying for the Brits poisoned (?) in the UK West Country ?
Post by: ML on March 17, 2018, 02:12:14 PM
I think the danger comes in Russia swallowing up its break away republics over time. Without them they are not nearly as powerful as they were as the USSR.

These republics are not needed for power.
The republics are desired as a physical barrier to attack by land from the west.
Title: Re: Russian convicted of spying for the Brits poisoned (?) in the UK West Country ?
Post by: 2tallbill on March 20, 2018, 09:48:17 AM
These republics are not needed for power.
The republics are desired as a physical barrier to attack by land from the west.

They are also nice for theft, pillage and plunder, which is
far easier to do if they are under your thumb and not a
member of NATO. 
Title: Re: Russian convicted of spying for the Brits poisoned (?) in the UK West Country ?
Post by: 2tallbill on March 20, 2018, 09:51:03 AM
Well, VVP has responded

He's expelled 23 UK Diplomats and closed the British Council  -
reserving the right to take further action !

Everyone knew that was coming. If they wanted to send a real
message that would end it, they would have to send in somebody
to kill whoever is the UK's version of Edward Snowden.

During cold war one there was ALWAYS tit for tat. Now there
isn't and that's why it will happen again.

Title: Re: Russian convicted of spying for the Brits poisoned (?) in the UK West Country ?
Post by: msmob on March 22, 2018, 01:53:05 PM
The Policeman poisoned has been released from hospital


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43506232 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43506232)

"Det Sgt Bailey said that "normal life for me will probably never be the same" as he also thanked hospital staff."
Title: Re: Russian convicted of spying for the Brits poisoned (?) in the UK West Country ?
Post by: Mappy on March 29, 2018, 12:30:30 AM
Evidence is pointing toward the poison having been delivered in some sticky stuff smeared on the door handle of his home.  A rather crude delivery that, if true, probably explains why he is still alive, how his daughter got rowed in and why traces of poison were spread around the town.
Title: Re: Russian convicted of spying for the Brits poisoned (?) in the UK West Country ?
Post by: BillyB on March 29, 2018, 08:03:02 AM
Evidence is pointing toward the poison having been delivered in some sticky stuff smeared on the door handle of his home.  A rather crude delivery that, if true, probably explains why he is still alive, how his daughter got rowed in and why traces of poison were spread around the town.


Reckless way of delivering the chemical weapons. Any innocent person could've touched the door handle and of course, it got spread around town infecting others to some degree. I read the spy's niece said they have a 1% chance to live.
Title: Re: Russian convicted of spying for the Brits poisoned (?) in the UK West Country ?
Post by: Mappy on March 29, 2018, 04:00:35 PM
Things don't look good for the guy - even if he lives his health appears seriously damaged - but the latest news is that the daughter is recovering.
Title: Re: Russian convicted of spying for the Brits poisoned (?) in the UK West Country ?
Post by: msmob on April 02, 2018, 06:33:18 AM
Ok..now we know the truth....

http://news.sky.com/story/russian-foreign-minister-sergey-lavrov-says-britain-could-have-poisoned-spy-11313772 (http://news.sky.com/story/russian-foreign-minister-sergey-lavrov-says-britain-could-have-poisoned-spy-11313772)

''Britain did it to divert attention from the government's failure to deliver on 'brexit...'  ''


Title: Re: Russian convicted of spying for the Brits poisoned (?) in the UK West Country ?
Post by: ML on April 02, 2018, 01:38:28 PM
Ok..now we know the truth....

http://news.sky.com/story/russian-foreign-minister-sergey-lavrov-says-britain-could-have-poisoned-spy-11313772 (http://news.sky.com/story/russian-foreign-minister-sergey-lavrov-says-britain-could-have-poisoned-spy-11313772)

''Britain did it to divert attention from the government's failure to deliver on 'brexit...'  ''

Wait . . . don't take  the credit away from USA for the poisoning.
Title: Re: Russian convicted of spying for the Brits poisoned (?) in the UK West Country ?
Post by: msmob on April 02, 2018, 02:23:12 PM
Ah, yes are your poodle and we do as we are told...  case closed
Title: Re: Russian convicted of spying for the Brits poisoned (?) in the UK West Country ?
Post by: southernX on April 02, 2018, 06:12:25 PM

Is Putin's actions going to crush the UK economically and install fear in it's citizens? Probably not. Goes to show you how weak the UK's actions on Russia was. Me thinks the assassinations will continue. It may be a few years before Putin tries a number of assassinations in the UK again but it will happen again because it's important he lets Russians know they aren't getting away with betraying him and Russia.

that about sums sit up billy  ;)

the UK would have taken stock of the russian money involved and at this time with brexit happening it would be too risky to take any stronger action against vvp . other than public condemnation blah blah blah

SX
Title: Re: Russian convicted of spying for the Brits poisoned (?) in the UK West Country ?
Post by: ML on April 02, 2018, 07:16:54 PM
the UK would have taken stock of the russian money involved . . .

Sometimes I think people are a little confused about which party has upper hand regarding money, debt, assets, etc.

For instance, many say we must not anger China because they hold trillions of dollars of our debt and they own trillions in real estate in USA.

Ah well . . . it's the debt holder who has more to worry about, not the debt issuer.
We could simply default on Treasury bills China holds and attach their real estate holdings.
Sure I realize it would hurt our credit rating, but not as much hurt as China would incur losing trillions.

Likewise, how about UK simply nationalize the billions of housing owned by Russians?
So who has most at risk, UK or Russian citizens?
Title: Re: Russian convicted of spying for the Brits poisoned (?) in the UK West Country ?
Post by: southernX on April 03, 2018, 01:29:39 AM
Quote
Likewise, how about UK simply nationalize the billions of housing owned by Russians?
So who has most at risk, UK or Russian citizens?

lol that would only come at a state of war id venture ML 

the UK is way to polite and gentlmanly to go and nationalise other states assets

this is about a united public shaming of russia imo . not about fiscal penalties to either state at present
SX
Title: Re: Russian convicted of spying for the Brits poisoned (?) in the UK West Country ?
Post by: msmob on April 11, 2018, 01:32:38 PM
Ms Skripal has used the UK Metropolitan Police to release a statement

http://www.rt.com/uk/423864-yulia-skripal-statement-police/?utm_source=browser&utm_medium=push_notifications&utm_campaign=push_notifications (http://www.rt.com/uk/423864-yulia-skripal-statement-police/?utm_source=browser&utm_medium=push_notifications&utm_campaign=push_notifications)

Certain sources have suggested she may have been abducted against her will....
Title: Re: Russian convicted of spying for the Brits poisoned (?) in the UK West Country ?
Post by: msmob on April 11, 2018, 01:39:36 PM
Interestingly,  although the RT news links to it, the wording in Ms Skripal's statement is softer than the RT headline suggests and makes it clear that her cousin's views are somewhat at odds.

http://news.met.police.uk/news/statement-issued-on-behalf-of-yulia-skripal-302508 (http://news.met.police.uk/news/statement-issued-on-behalf-of-yulia-skripal-302508)
Title: Re: Russian convicted of spying for the Brits poisoned (?) in the UK West Country ?
Post by: msmob on April 17, 2018, 01:42:41 PM
Spoke to a Russian friend who says the nerve agent can be in a binary format and only when two substances combine, does it become active..


Could be it was administered in two places...


From the BBC, today ..

"Some of the agents are also said to be "binary weapons", meaning the nerve agent is typically stored as two less toxic chemical ingredients that are easier to handle.

When these are mixed, they react to produce the active toxic agent which can cause convulsions, shortness of breath, profuse sweating and nausea.


Title: Re: Russian convicted of spying for the Brits poisoned (?) in the UK West Country ?
Post by: msmob on April 23, 2018, 04:41:54 PM
Just watching "Sum of all fears" - loosely based on a Tom Clancy novel

Renegade Russian generals use Novichok - a new binary nerve agent to shell Grozny ...

Couldn't believe it ....

Tom Clancy employed ex- Soviet, US and UK military advisers
Title: Re: Russian convicted of spying for the Brits poisoned (?) in the UK West Country ?
Post by: jone on April 23, 2018, 05:01:54 PM
Where have you been?

In his book, Debt of Honor, 1994, Clancy introduced terrorism by using Commercial Aircraft to take down buildings, well before September 11th.  In it, a Japanese pilot crashes a 747 into the Capital, taking out the sitting government.

What is never spoken about is that taking control of a plane and purposely crashing it was actually practiced before September 11th in Egypt, in 1999.  The US had ample warning that such was a terror premise that was being looked at by Al Queda.

http://abcnews.go.com/International/story?id=82910&page=1
Title: Re: Russian convicted of spying for the Brits poisoned (?) in the UK West Country ?
Post by: BdHvA on April 24, 2018, 08:12:51 PM
Where have you been?

In his book, Debt of Honor, 1994, Clancy introduced terrorism by using Commercial Aircraft to take down buildings, well before September 11th.  In it, a Japanese pilot crashes a 747 into the Capital, taking out the sitting government.

What is never spoken about is that taking control of a plane and purposely crashing it was actually practiced before September 11th in Egypt, in 1999.  The US had ample warning that such was a terror premise that was being looked at by Al Queda.

http://abcnews.go.com/International/story?id=82910&page=1

While not a purposely oriented crash. The power of an airplane hitting a building was clearly demonstrated when ElAl flight 1862 hit an apartment building called the Bijlmermeer in 1992.
Title: Re: Russian convicted of spying for the Brits poisoned (?) in the UK West Country ?
Post by: Anotherkiwi on April 24, 2018, 09:55:49 PM
While not a purposely oriented crash. The power of an airplane hitting a building was clearly demonstrated when ElAl flight 1862 hit an apartment building called the Bijlmermeer in 1992.

This is one of the stories told in the terrific Canadian series "Mayday - Air Disaster."  We have two different series of the programme showing at the moment on different TV channels, one being new (to us - it's two years old) and the other a repeat of a series from seven or eight years ago.  It's still enthralling to watch.
Title: Re: Russian convicted of spying for the Brits poisoned (?) in the UK West Country ?
Post by: DaveNY on April 24, 2018, 11:05:23 PM
Now the Russian government is saying there never was a poisoning and the Skripals are dead. Vladimir Chizhov, the Russian Ambassador to the EU, said that since the UK government isn't allowing evidence to be public that the poisoning didn't happen and the Skripals may be dead.

I'm waiting for the Russian government to say that it's all a conspiracy being planned and run by space aliens. Give it a couple more weeks and I'm sure some Russian official or agency will mention space aliens in regard to the Skripals.   

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/salisbury-spy-poisoning-russia-claims-skripals-dead-094746142.html
Title: Re: Russian convicted of spying for the Brits poisoned (?) in the UK West Country ?
Post by: SANDRO43 on April 25, 2018, 08:03:26 AM
The power of an airplane hitting a building was clearly demonstrated when ElAl flight 1862 hit an apartment building called the Bijlmermeer in 1992.
Even a small plane can cause substantial damage. In April 2002 a Rockwell Commander piloted by a confused Swiss on his way to Milan's Linate airport hit the 26th floor of "Pirellone", a high-rise office building originally for Pirelli next to the Central Railway station, starting a fire that caused 3 deaths and 70 wounded.

(http://www.milanofree.it/images/stories/storia/aereo_colpisce_pirellone.gif#ActualImage)  (http://media.urbanpost.it/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/grattacielo-pirelli-incidente-aereo.jpg#ActualImage)

Title: Re: Russian convicted of spying for the Brits poisoned (?) in the UK West Country ?
Post by: msmob on May 24, 2018, 09:09:03 AM
Back on topic

It was GREAT to see Ms Skipal reading her statement and making it clear to 'useful IDIOTS' ( hello Bounder - who is posting 'bollox' about my private life - in another place - with the protection of Kremlin stooges who allow it to go unresponded to ) who are suggesting that she might be being held 'against her will'

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-44232346 (http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-44232346)

http://www.bbc.com/news/video_and_audio/headlines/44232096/yulia-skripal-we-are-so-lucky-to-survive (http://www.bbc.com/news/video_and_audio/headlines/44232096/yulia-skripal-we-are-so-lucky-to-survive)

She makes it CLEAR that she hopes to return to Russia - but doesn't want Russian Embassy assistance AND that  'no-one' speaks for her family - except her and her Dad....

So much for the 'coz  ..

I wonder what the UK Ambassador will be claiming now - for home consumption

Here's a hoot..from Russia Todays - quoting Maria Zakharova - Russia's Foreign Ministry Spokesperson :

http://www.rt.com/news/427574-julia-skripal-first-interview/ (http://www.rt.com/news/427574-julia-skripal-first-interview/)

Following the release of the interview, Russia’s Foreign Ministry spokeswoman addressed Yulia Skripal in a comment to RT.

“We’d like Yulia Skripal to know that not a single day passed without the Foreign Ministry, Russia’s embassy in London trying to reach her with the main purpose to make sure she was not held against her will, she was not impersonated by somebody else, to get the first-hand information about her and her father’s condition,” Maria Zakharova said.


It seems, the likes of Bounder will still fall for this BS.





Title: Re: Russian convicted of spying for the Brits poisoned (?) in the UK West Country ?
Post by: msmob on May 24, 2018, 10:37:43 AM
Jeez,

JUST found this

http://www.bbc.com/news/av/uk-43820894/the-man-who-made-novichok (http://www.bbc.com/news/av/uk-43820894/the-man-who-made-novichok)

A man who made Novichok is certain that Moscow ordered it ....
Title: Re: Russian convicted of spying for the Brits poisoned (?) in the UK West Country ?
Post by: Trenchcoat on May 24, 2018, 03:47:05 PM
Jeez,

JUST found this

http://www.bbc.com/news/av/uk-43820894/the-man-who-made-novichok (http://www.bbc.com/news/av/uk-43820894/the-man-who-made-novichok)

A man who made Novichok is certain that Moscow ordered it ....

May end up in a withdrawal of visas for Russians, if they are seen as too much of a risk as who knows which of them might be Russian agents out on a mission to poison, etc. Likewise Russia will retalate by ending UK visas to Russia. My guess it will happen after the World Cup now that is so close though announcements could be made in advance of the action so any time soon is no doubt possible.
Title: Re: Russian convicted of spying for the Brits poisoned (?) in the UK West Country ?
Post by: msmob on May 24, 2018, 04:21:17 PM
Roman Abramovich - the owner of Chelsea Football Club is apparently having trouble getting his visa renewed...

If this is true, then Alisher Usmanov - a major shareholder in Arsenal FC will have the same issues - as Navalny has suggested his money sponsors Medvedev's lifestyle

The Kremlin took action to silence Navalny and his investigators - after they claimed to expose these Oligarch's close relations to the Kremlin and trying to stifle Navalny  ..the US sanctioned him...


http://money.cnn.com/2018/04/13/investing/oleg-deripasaka-rusal-us-sanctions/index.html (http://money.cnn.com/2018/04/13/investing/oleg-deripasaka-rusal-us-sanctions/index.html)

Oleg Deripasaka ay now be now ruing his close association



Title: Re: Russian convicted of spying for the Brits poisoned (?) in the UK West Country ?
Post by: msmob on June 07, 2018, 10:36:22 AM
VVP not getting his own way ?

http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/putin-demands-russian-consular-access-to-yulia-skripal/ar-AAykJNn?ocid=ems.display.welcomeexperience&MSCC=1528385228 (http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/putin-demands-russian-consular-access-to-yulia-skripal/ar-AAykJNn?ocid=ems.display.welcomeexperience&MSCC=1528385228)

Mr President - did you not understand Yulia Skripal ?

As for " if the poison was ours - they'd be dead " ....    :deadhorse:
Title: Re: Russian convicted of spying for the Brits poisoned (?) in the UK West Country ?
Post by: BillyB on July 04, 2018, 11:50:28 PM

Russia getting some payback due to their diplomats being expelled or just toying with the UK?

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/police-2-more-exposed-to-same-nerve-agent-that-sickened-spy/ar-AAzysSl?ocid=spartanntp
Title: Re: Russian convicted of spying for the Brits poisoned (?) in the UK West Country ?
Post by: msmob on July 05, 2018, 04:36:42 AM
Yesterday, it seems, there was a threat to discontinue RT in GB. 


Hmm,  so RT would still be available in N.Ireland...
Title: Re: Russian convicted of spying for the Brits poisoned (?) in the UK West Country ?
Post by: jone on July 05, 2018, 09:38:30 AM
Was reading on mail.ru yesterday that Yulia Skripal's cousin has been denied a visa to see Julia multiple times.  Hmm.  I wonder why? 
Title: Re: Russian convicted of spying for the Brits poisoned (?) in the UK West Country ?
Post by: BillyB on July 05, 2018, 09:54:45 AM
Was reading on mail.ru yesterday that Yulia Skripal's cousin has been denied a visa to see Julia multiple times.  Hmm.  I wonder why?

Yulia's cousin should be thankful for being alive. Yulia's uncle died mysteriously in 2016 and her brother died mysteriously while on vacation in 2017. Of course she and her father was on schedule to die this year.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5473953/Exclusive-pictures-Salisbury-Russian-spy-family.html
Title: Re: Russian convicted of spying for the Brits poisoned (?) in the UK West Country ?
Post by: krimster2 on July 05, 2018, 10:24:20 AM
uhhh I hope our friends across the pond realize what happened
the Novichok used in the UK was a BINARY Novichok
you can't ship pre-mixed Novichok an accident on the plane, before the plane, etc
besides the other binary agent is too bulky
you just want the organo-phosphor part of the binary agent
and get the secondary ingredient which is iso-alcohol available at the drug store
right across from where this sample was found and next to the park playground
which is probably mixed it

hey MI5!

look at video from drug store from day before to day of Skipral poisoning
your culprits will be buying rubbing alcohol there


Title: Re: Russian convicted of spying for the Brits poisoned (?) in the UK West Country ?
Post by: jone on July 05, 2018, 10:30:46 AM
uhhh I hope our friends across the pond realize what happened
the Novichok used in the UK was a BINARY Novichok
you can't ship pre-mixed Novichok an accident on the plane, before the plane, etc
besides the other binary agent is too bulky
you just want the organo-phosphor part of the binary agent
and get the secondary ingredient which is iso-alcohol available at the drug store
right across from where this sample was found and next to the park playground
which is probably mixed it

hey MI5!

look at video from drug store from day before to day of Skipral poisoning
your culprits will be buying rubbing alcohol there

Even the would be killers wouldn't be that dumb.  MI5 might be.
Title: Re: Russian convicted of spying for the Brits poisoned (?) in the UK West Country ?
Post by: krimster2 on July 05, 2018, 10:36:01 AM
it also means they were in and out of UK fast!
maybe even 1-2 days
and there was a separate surveillance team
who called them in just for the hit
and who also never actually made physical contact
cell phone records from closest tower
on days before and day of skripal poisoning
will show calls to untraceable phones
Title: Re: Russian convicted of spying for the Brits poisoned (?) in the UK West Country ?
Post by: krimster2 on July 05, 2018, 10:39:46 AM
it's likely the surveillance team is still there
track the untraceable numbers from skripal pharmacy
and plot their calls with all other cell towers on a map
this is where the surveillance team is located
Title: Re: Russian convicted of spying for the Brits poisoned (?) in the UK West Country ?
Post by: msmob on July 05, 2018, 11:13:23 AM
Even the would be killers wouldn't be that dumb.  MI5 might be.

THAT bored, today, Jone ? ....
Title: Re: Russian convicted of spying for the Brits poisoned (?) in the UK West Country ?
Post by: BillyB on July 06, 2018, 12:10:00 AM
look at video from drug store from day before to day of Skipral poisoning
your culprits will be buying rubbing alcohol there


Ah Ha! So Russia was right that the nerve agent was made in the UK!

So UK is going to spend a ton of money investigating yet another assassination or an attempt at one by way of WMDs and do nothing significant to discourage Russia from exporting more poisons into their country.
Title: Re: Russian convicted of spying for the Brits poisoned (?) in the UK West Country ?
Post by: msmob on July 06, 2018, 12:30:10 AM
Ah Ha! So Russia was right that the nerve agent was made in the UK!

BillyB - once more - demonstrates the ease some folks absorb BS and then tell us it's 'fact'  :cluebat:
Title: Re: Russian convicted of spying for the Brits poisoned (?) in the UK West Country ?
Post by: BillyB on July 06, 2018, 11:23:51 AM

Moby, you're as dumb as a box of rocks. How many times on this forum nobody thought I was serious about something but you? You're clueless to what goes on around you. Get your head examined.
Title: Re: Russian convicted of spying for the Brits poisoned (?) in the UK West Country ?
Post by: msmob on July 06, 2018, 02:38:02 PM
Moby, you're as dumb as a box of rocks. How many times on this forum nobody thought I was serious about something but you? You're clueless to what goes on around you. Get your head examined.

BillyB

You are as clueless as Trench as to what qualifies as 'humour'

If I was as tactless as you, your 'advice' would make sense.

Please come to Amesbury or Salisbury. ..or anywhere in Britain.. and claim you were 'joking'...

I live about a hour from Amesbury

Title: Re: Russian convicted of spying for the Brits poisoned (?) in the UK West Country ?
Post by: BillyB on July 07, 2018, 06:13:38 PM
Please come to Amesbury or Salisbury. ..or anywhere in Britain.. and claim you were 'joking'...


Russia has been regularly sneaking in radioactive material and weapons of mass destruction into the UK and the UK government hasn't punished Russia hard enough to discourage them from doing this again and you feel people are more angry at someone who makes a joke? The UK citizens should be screaming at their government for action.

I live about a hour from Amesbury


Yes, we know Moby. You living so close to Amesbury makes you an expert on everything Amesbury. You haven't talked to a soul there yet you know how they think about me.
Title: Re: Russian convicted of spying for the Brits poisoned (?) in the UK West Country ?
Post by: msmob on July 09, 2018, 06:23:53 AM
Russia has been regularly sneaking in radioactive material and weapons of mass destruction into the UK and the UK government hasn't punished Russia hard enough to discourage them from doing this again and you feel people are more angry at someone who makes a joke? The UK citizens should be screaming at their government for action.

I missed how successive UK govts not responding strongly enough previously to away games in the UK 'excuses' your lack of tact / 'sense of humour'

As usual, you attempt to BS your way out by deflection.

Yes, we know Moby. You living so close to Amesbury makes you an expert on everything Amesbury. You haven't talked to a soul there yet you know how they think about me.

Not being clued up as to feelings of locals is your thang....

I have 3 clients in Salisbury and 1 in Amesbury

I have talked to 1 each of 'em....

Title: Re: Russian convicted of spying for the Brits poisoned (?) in the UK West Country ?
Post by: krimster2 on July 09, 2018, 06:45:53 AM
Sergei Roldugin was identified as Putin's "bag man" a financial middle-man who helps launder Putin's "payments"
Putin's cousin "Igor" is his main money launderer

would be a shame if "something happened" to these guys 
might be disruptive
Title: Re: Russian convicted of spying for the Brits poisoned (?) in the UK West Country ?
Post by: msmob on July 19, 2018, 04:38:49 AM
Police 'identify Novichok suspects'

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-44883803 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-44883803)
Title: Re: Russian convicted of spying for the Brits poisoned (?) in the UK West Country ?
Post by: msmob on September 05, 2018, 05:59:14 AM
..and now they've named them - with CCTV footage ..

European Arrest warrants issued - so if they try to enter the EU / EEA nations ...

There is no extradition treaty with Russia

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-45421445 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-45421445)

Edited to add : Theresa May hs just announced the suspects are military intelligence operatives ..... 'GRU' up to 'away games' - AGAIN ? 
Title: Re: Russian convicted of spying for the Brits poisoned (?) in the UK West Country ?
Post by: krimster2 on September 05, 2018, 08:27:37 AM
I think it's time to move past sanctions
and do a little of that quid pro quo
disrupt the kremlin inner circle
and let them blame each other for it
i'm here to help you MI5, call direct (not through "channels") if you need me
the Crimean operation went smoothly
traveling with your family
is the best cover EVER!
it's like hiding in plain sight!
Title: Re: Russian convicted of spying for the Brits poisoned (?) in the UK West Country ?
Post by: krimster2 on September 05, 2018, 12:39:27 PM
http://www.buzzfeed.com/heidiblake/poison-in-the-system?utm_term=.bkLOoZgZ5#.dnKDd3e3A
http://www.buzzfeed.com/emilyashton/the-government-says-theres-no-need-to-re-investigate-14

14 suspicious deaths in UK
Title: Re: Russian convicted of spying for the Brits poisoned (?) in the UK West Country ?
Post by: Trenchcoat on September 05, 2018, 05:09:16 PM
..and now they've named them - with CCTV footage ..

European Arrest warrants issued - so if they try to enter the EU / EEA nations ...

There is no extradition treaty with Russia

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-45421445 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-45421445)

Edited to add : Theresa May hs just announced the suspects are military intelligence operatives ..... 'GRU' up to 'away games' - AGAIN ?

I doubt they'll be entering anywhere. I can see Russia knocking them off for their incompetence so they is no worry about them ever being seen from again.
Title: Re: Russian convicted of spying for the Brits poisoned (?) in the UK West Country ?
Post by: krimster2 on September 05, 2018, 06:11:26 PM
Russians didn't care about Novichok poisoner's IDs anymore than they cared about Polonium poisoner's IDs
they're single shot
offing them would be bad for morale
these guys were just the hit squad
part of the reconnaissance squad is still in UK
can't believe MI5 doesn't arrange an accident
or maybe the reconnaissance is itself under reconnaissance...
seriously MI5, WTF???


Title: Re: Russian convicted of spying for the Brits poisoned (?) in the UK West Country ?
Post by: JayH on September 10, 2018, 12:06:55 AM
Certainly feasible -- regardless it leads back to the criminality of the Russian state as it is today.


Sergey Skripal’s cooperation with the Spanish authorities in exposing the criminality of the Russian oligarchs



Sergey Skripal’s cooperation with the Spanish authorities in exposing the criminality of the Russian oligarchs rather than the idea that this action was revenge by the security services for someone who betrayed them is a far more likely explanation for Moscow’s decision to poison him, Vitaly Portnikov says.

Until The New York Times report about Skripal’s work in Spain, the Ukrainian commentator says, most people explained the murderous attack on the former Soviet agent as revenge by the Russian security services. But that explanation had at least two shortcomings.

On the one hand, Portnikov says, it doesn’t explain why Skripal was attacked while many other Russian agents and defectors have been left in peace. And on the other, it fails to recognize that “as long as Skripal was a traitor [only in this sense], he could count on being pardoned” if that would serve the Kremlin’s interests.

But as soon as Skripal “touched upon the interests of the mafia” in Moscow, as he surely did in Spain, then there was every reason for that mafia to “decide to liquidate him,” a decision that demonstrates as few other things have that the Putin regime is a mafia state rather than a normal one.

In analyzing Kremlin actions, Portnikov says, it is important to keep in mind that Russia today is “a mafia state,” one in which the state not only participates in massive corruption but “above all acts in the interests of the mafia,” including going after and even murdering those who work against that mafia structure.

http://euromaidanpress.com/2018/09/09/moscow-attacked-skripal-for-betraying-russian-oligarchs-highlighting-mafia-nature-of-putin-regime-portnikov-says/
Title: "We were just Tourists"
Post by: msmob on September 13, 2018, 06:27:42 AM
Yeah, right ..

(http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/AC2F/production/_103397044_spy_timeline_overview_v2-nc.png)

They flew in to London - went to a residential area of Salisbury - where Skripal lived and LEFT ...

Two Russian guys on BIZ (?)Visa's ..who did they meet and while such a short a stay and WHY go to  a residential Salisbury street..?

BTW: Stonehenge has paths to prevent guests getting muddy

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-45509697 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-45509697)

Who STILL believes the Kremlin, anymore ?

Who'd fly to Moscow, go to say- Ivanovo - and fly back the next day ? ...

Title: Re: "We were just Tourists"
Post by: JayH on September 13, 2018, 03:11:50 PM


Who STILL believes the Kremlin, anymore ?

Who'd fly to Moscow, go to say- Ivanovo - and fly back the next day ? ...

Who believes --remarkably we have idiots here on this forum who do-- and a plethora of total idiots on your other forum that do.!
Certainly some Russians still do -- and you only have to look at the Trump apologists in the US to see how common sense goes out the window!

As for one  day trips -- well -- I have done (in the past) a few into Moscow.Some years ago -- I was in Germany and decided at last minute to go to UK for the "weekend" ( arrive Sat morning leave Sunday evening ) and immigration officer  was incredulous at  Australian passport and the short visit!  :)
Title: Re: You couldn't make this up ..
Post by: msmob on September 14, 2018, 10:36:56 AM


Well, now even RT's leading lady is finding the seat too hot as she hung up on the BBCs Kirsty Wark



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-45523026/russia-today-editor-in-chief-hangs-up-on-bbc (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-45523026/russia-today-editor-in-chief-hangs-up-on-bbc)

NOW we find that two Russians were expelled from NL over attempts to hack the SWiss labs testing the Noichok agent used in Salisbury..

http://www.expatica.com/nl/news/country-news/Netherlands-Switzerland-espionage-Russia-Britain_2096307.html  (http://www.expatica.com/nl/news/country-news/Netherlands-Switzerland-espionage-Russia-Britain_2096307.html)


Title: Re: "We were just Tourists"
Post by: DaveNY on September 14, 2018, 12:31:35 PM
Yeah, right ..

(http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/AC2F/production/_103397044_spy_timeline_overview_v2-nc.png)

They flew in to London - went to a residential area of Salisbury - where Skripal lived and LEFT ...

Two Russian guys on BIZ (?)Visa's ..who did they meet and while such a short a stay and WHY go to  a residential Salisbury street..?

BTW: Stonehenge has paths to prevent guests getting muddy

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-45509697 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-45509697)

Who STILL believes the Kremlin, anymore ?

Who'd fly to Moscow, go to say- Ivanovo - and fly back the next day ? ...
my bolding above

Back in 1999 I flew into Moscow from London on a Friday and returned to London on a Sunday on at least half a dozen occasions. Also did this during the week when the opportunity presented itself. This is quite common, even today.

People fly into Moscow on a Friday from London or Paris or Geneva, etc and return home on a Sunday. Perhaps they're Russians returning home for a visit or it's business related. In my case it was to visit my g/f.

If you check the flight schedules you'll see there are many flights in and out of Moscow during the week to all the major and many minor European cities.
Title: Re: "We were just Tourists"
Post by: GQBlues on September 14, 2018, 02:34:43 PM
my bolding above

Back in 1999 I flew into Moscow from London on a Friday and returned to London on a Sunday on at least half a dozen occasions. Also did this during the week when the opportunity presented itself. This is quite common, even today.

People fly into Moscow on a Friday from London or Paris or Geneva, etc and return home on a Sunday. Perhaps they're Russians returning home for a visit or it's business related. In my case it was to visit my g/f.

If you check the flight schedules you'll see there are many flights in and out of Moscow during the week to all the major and many minor European cities.


You reminded me of a board member (RWG) back in the day who flew to Moscow from Atlanta, GA for the weekend to meet up with a gal. He even wrote a trip report titled: "My Weekend in Moscow". Awesome TR and IIRC, what he got in the end of the trip was being berated by the gal. IINM I think his moniker was *Firebird*.


Just remembered...Freebird is the correct moniker.
Title: Re: Russian convicted of spying for the Brits poisoned (?) in the UK West Country ?
Post by: msmob on September 14, 2018, 08:52:24 PM
DaveNY,

My 'bad'

They flew into LONDON and make TWO trips to Salisbury from London - the first a recon trip, before the act of placing the nerve agent.

So, it's like travelling to Ivanovo from Moscow, twice - visiting a residential street in the town then leaving ?

Then there's the matter of 'business' - as they had applied for UK Visas on the basis of 'biz'- but failed to do any - unless you call trying to kill someone - and killing someone else by mistake - 'business' ...?

I took Russians from Oxford to London - via Stonehenge and Salisbury - to Bournemouth and onto London a couple of years ago - we didn't use the ring road and went near the Cathedral - my idea .. so I know they weren't casing the joint)

After that - they spent most of the next day recovering ..  it is highly unlikely someone using public transport would wish to do the trip the next day .. except for a pressing reason

I think you and GQBlues may be trying to be a 'devil's advocate' and failing -given the level of coincidences, locations, and their employers..





Title: Re: Russian convicted of spying for the Brits poisoned (?) in the UK West Country ?
Post by: BdHvA on September 15, 2018, 12:55:44 PM
I took Russians from Oxford to London - via Stonehenge and Salisbury - to Bournemouth and onto London a couple of years ago

Were you a chauffeur? This in mind is a highly convoluted road trip.
Title: Re: Russian convicted of spying for the Brits poisoned (?) in the UK West Country ?
Post by: msmob on September 15, 2018, 01:24:43 PM
Were you a chauffeur? This in mind is a highly convoluted road trip.

They are my friends and I was making sure they saw as much of the UK in 7 days and they could ... 

Collected from Heathrow to Oxford, London ( 3 days ) Bath, Brighton ( 2 days) on train to Gatwick

Why ARE you such a 'doubting Thomas' ?
Title: Re: Russian convicted of spying for the Brits poisoned (?) in the UK West Country ?
Post by: DaveNY on September 15, 2018, 04:32:14 PM
Were you a chauffeur? This in mind is a highly convoluted road trip.

The route isn't convoluted if the guests want to see Stonehenge. Then down to the beaches at Bournemouth and on to London. When I lived in London I took guests out to see Stonehenge all the time. If you want to visit the beaches in the south, Bournemouth is a short drive from Stonehenge.
Title: Re: Russian convicted of spying for the Brits poisoned (?) in the UK West Country ?
Post by: msmob on September 15, 2018, 09:29:50 PM
An awful lot of deflection here ..

But who would stay in EAST London and go to Salisbury two days in  a row and state they visited a place that was closed ?  ;)

 
Title: Re: Russian convicted of spying for the Brits poisoned (?) in the UK West Country ?
Post by: BdHvA on September 16, 2018, 03:36:54 AM
They are my friends and I was making sure they saw as much of the UK in 7 days and they could ... 

Collected from Heathrow to Oxford, London ( 3 days ) Bath, Brighton ( 2 days) on train to Gatwick

Why ARE you such a 'doubting Thomas' ?

That you 'expand' on your road trip it is indeed a reasonable visit, in fact possibly enjoyable. Initially it sounded in the context of those who poisoned the Skripals as a one day thing that you did.

Though Moby everything you post is doubtable.
Title: Re: Russian convicted of spying for the Brits poisoned (?) in the UK West Country ?
Post by: BillyB on September 16, 2018, 11:00:31 AM

The bottom line here is that the UK won't do any punishment worthy of discouraging radioactive and chemical substances from entering their country. This has been going on and off for years and it will continue. UK needs to get used to it. UK citizens will need to get used to spending massive amounts of money on these investigations without a solution to end the problem.
Title: Re: Russian convicted of spying for the Brits poisoned (?) in the UK West Country ?
Post by: msmob on September 16, 2018, 02:45:39 PM

Let's deal with you in reverse order


Though Moby everything you post is doubtable.

Sadly, though given every opportunity - you have singularly failed to back that 'assertion' up ....  Examples being your financially ludicrous live beaming of BBC content in the late seventies and your telling me that events in my personal life from thirty years ago hadn't occurred :)))

That you 'expand' on your road trip it is indeed a reasonable visit, in fact possibly enjoyable. Initially it sounded in the context of those who poisoned the Skripals as a one day thing that you did.

WE were coming and going by a car - not public transport and the weather was clement ...  Do TRY to keep up ... 

In the context of our respective govts - who no doubt have seen even more evidence - it seems you are more desperate to  'put one over' on me   :D


Sadly, you don't enjoy the luxury of my ripostes never appearing - on here - so your daft 'assertions' about my past exploits from 30 years ago and your clueless knowledge of Satellite TV up linking costs from the late seventies and eighties ( prohibitively expensive - save for major sporting events )  don't go unanswered .... :popcorn:







Title: Re: Russian convicted of spying for the Brits poisoned (?) in the UK West Country ?
Post by: BdHvA on September 16, 2018, 07:05:22 PM
As is often the case with Moby he has cocked up the quotes ~ okay I have done it as well, but usually I catch them and correct them.

But the very posts above points out what a little pathetic human you are. Your exploits from a few years back are revealing enough into to your character (or lack there of). Moby, why not just stay with you vision and opinion of the facts instead of debating everything? It is tiresome. Just so you understand that your presence elsewhere is because of a number of members myself included lobbied to allow you to post. Yes with out doubt you are moderated because basically you're a tiresome arguementive fish mongers wife.
Title: Re: Russian convicted of spying for the Brits poisoned (?) in the UK West Country ?
Post by: msmob on September 17, 2018, 12:30:12 AM
As is often the case with Moby he has cocked up the quotes ~ okay I have done it as well, but usually I catch them and correct them.

I have corrected my error ( thank you ) and - as you WELL know - there are other places were I cannot correct [edit out ] errors in coding -or my posts are edited to mean something else - by a third party and 'quoted' - all very former Soviet ;)

But, once again, you are merely deflecting from YOUR - frequent - and unfortunate bad habit of questioning my personal experiences- including those of thirty years ago and more recent...

But the very posts above points out what a little pathetic human you are. Your exploits from a few years back are revealing enough into to your character (or lack there of).


So now, having FAILED on the ' Moby fibbed front' -  and not being gentlemanly enough to simply concede  .... you compound the deflection by doing a Silly BillyB and reminding members of my oft admitted stupidity in responding to a fib posted about me on the net - with a truthful riposte ? 

Look, I'm really sorry to disappoint you - but ex-wife and I get on just fine - she came down to to the Sailing Club yesterday- having called me to ask permission -  with two mutual friends - a BY and UA lady ( she is Russian) - parked her car next to mine and went for a walk around the lakes - before 'supporting' me making a pillock of myself ( being over the line - the Officer of the Day was somewhat slow in flying the flag to denote someone was over - and I was at the far end of the line - having done a port end flyer - lost a minute going back -  hitting a mark -360 penalty -  ) and  recovering to take second in the annual  Bart's Bash race..

So, may be you can deal with YOUR trust issues ( making a pillock of yourself)  and suggesting folks are fibbing - when they aren't ;)

www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZCza8y4elI
 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZCza8y4elI)





Title: Re: Russian convicted of spying for the Brits poisoned (?) in the UK West Country ?
Post by: JayH on September 17, 2018, 01:26:39 AM

But, once again, you are merely deflecting from YOUR - frequent - and unfortunate bad habit of questioning my personal experiences- including those of thirty years ago and more recent...


So now, having FAILED on the ' Moby fibbed front' -  and not being gentlemanly enough to simply concede  .... you compound the deflection by doing a Silly BillyB and reminding members of my oft admitted stupidity in responding to a fib posted about me on the net - with a truthful riposte ? 

Look, I'm really sorry to disappoint you - but ex-wife and I get on just fine - she came down to to the Sailing Club yesterday- having called me to ask permission -  with two mutual friends - a BY and UA lady ( she is Russian) - parked her car next to mine and went for a walk around the lakes - before 'supporting' me making a pillock of myself ( being over the line - the Officer of the Day was somewhat slow in flying the flag to denote someone was over - and I was at the far end of the line - having done a port end flyer - lost a minute going back -  hitting a mark -360 penalty -  ) and  recovering to take second in the annual  Bart's Bash race..

So, may be you can deal with YOUR trust issues ( making a pillock of yourself)  and suggesting folks are fibbing - when they aren't ;)

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Av -- Moby fibbing mmmmm hard to believe  from such a genius sailor!

Moby has such a clear recollection of all things past( not!!!) --EXCEPT would you believe is proof ( or even any confirming evidence)that he was in Crimea in Feb 2014  completely escapes him at to where he went and for how long -- BUT -- it suits his attempts at story telling in his haste to try and prove some  point that was not in contention -- and there is more-- Moby was using a nav system that did not exist when he was actually there !!

I raise this here again -- because Moby is so busy stalking AV with nonsensical allegations of nothingness and all from a proven LIAR. :cluebat:

btw  Moby  --  some of us got banned permanently at rua -- and only the super sucks who got invited back actually went! Even then-I can understand why your dribble is edited  over there.
Title: Re: Russian convicted of spying for the Brits poisoned (?) in the UK West Country ?
Post by: JayH on September 17, 2018, 01:33:54 AM
What incredible work is being done by Bellingcat --in the interests of the truth.
An ongoing Bellingcat investigation conducted jointly with The Insider Russia has confirmed through uncovered passport data that the two Russian nationals identified by UK authorities as prime suspects in the Novichok poisonings on British soil are linked to Russian security services. This finding directly contradicts claims by the Russian president on 12 September 2018, and by the two men in an interview broadcast on RT one day later, that they are civilians who traveled to Salisbury for a tourist getaway.

Skripal Poisoning Suspect’s Passport Data Shows Link to Security Services

Original Russian documents reviewed by Bellingcat and The Insider confirm definitively that the two men were registered in the central Russian resident database under the names Alexander Yevgenievich Petrov and Ruslan Timurovich Boshirov, respectively, and were issued internal passports under these names in 2009. However, no records exist for these two personas prior to 2009. This suggests the two names were likely cover identities for operatives of one of the Russian security services. Crucially, at least one man’s passport files contain various “top-secret” markings, which, according to at least two sources consulted by Bellingcat, are typically reserved for members of secret services or top state operatives.

These findings, along with peculiarities in the two men’s bookings of their flight to London, make Russia’s official statements that Petrov and Boshirov are civilian tourists implausible, and corroborate UK authorities’ claims that they are in fact officers of a Russian security service.


http://www.bellingcat.com/news/uk-and-europe/2018/09/14/skripal-poisoning-suspects-passport-data-shows-link-security-services/
Title: Re: Russian convicted of spying for the Brits poisoned (?) in the UK West Country ?
Post by: msmob on September 17, 2018, 01:51:44 AM

Av -- Moby fibbing mmmmm hard to believe  from such a genius sailor!

Moby has such a clear recollection of all things past( not!!!) --EXCEPT would you believe is proof ( or even any confirming evidence)that he was in Crimea in Feb 2014  completely escapes him at to where he went and for how long -- BUT -- it suits his attempts at story telling in his haste to try and prove some  point that was not in contention -- and there is more-- Moby was using a nav system that did not exist when he was actually there !!

I raise this here again -- because Moby is so busy stalking AV with nonsensical allegations of nothingness and all from a proven LIAR. :cluebat:

Er, AV ( and you ) are accusing me of 'fibbing' and have FAILED to produce a single instance - so WHO's 'stalking' bearing in mind this thread's title and your post ? ...   Don't  worry, JayH - I know you're just hoping to get 'pay back' for all the times I've busted you re fake news from Crimea... ;)


btw  Moby  --  some of us got banned permanently at rua -- and only the super sucks who got invited back actually went! Even then-I can understand why your dribble is edited  over there.

Poor JayH

joins in on the 'Moby's fibbing' and is yet ANOTHER person who tells me where I've been ( or not)  and when  :D

1/ There was nothing untruthful in my statement about when I was last on the peninsula - and I think you're prob upset as it was clearly more recently than you ..given your multiple busted 'copy and pastes'
with 'news' from Crimea that were nonsense - esp. about the Crimea Bridge project


2/ To compound your STUPIDITY -  both GLONASS and GPS have covered Crimea WAY before 2014 and it was mapped quite well, too .

3/ I was not invited back - can you get ANYTHING right ?

Remind us of your practical expertise of  designing and testing such kit, testing various mapping software - negotiating commercial use of same ..  Do you own a biz doing that, too ? ...


MORE than happy for those who are keen to discuss their fantasy visions of "what's Moby done" ( or "not done")  a special thread (?) - but I thought this post was about the Skripal farce ?  :popcorn:







Title: Re: Russian convicted of spying for the Brits poisoned (?) in the UK West Country ?
Post by: BdHvA on September 17, 2018, 04:16:07 PM
Moby, You can NOT provide any actual evidence of your event with J. Clarkson, Pas de Calais or A. Robinson, dinner. It is a fib/fantasy until proved otherwise by your self.

I can say I have met the queen of England and Amsterdam in Amsterdam. OK it was little more than a nod and smile. But my youngest daughter presented a bouquet to Quenn Elisabeth. I can back this up with news and reports. You can not provide any such proof.

Why not take a hike to the library and find some proof?
Title: Re: Russian convicted of spying for the Brits poisoned (?) in the UK West Country ?
Post by: JayH on September 17, 2018, 05:59:14 PM
Moby, You can NOT provide any actual evidence of your event with J. Clarkson, Pas de Calais or A. Robinson, dinner. It is a fib/fantasy until proved otherwise by your self.
 


Moby, You can NOT provide any actual evidence of your
supposed time in Crimea in Feb 2014  !!!!

Not one piece of "evidence" has been offered whatsoever  .

A very clear lie told -- and much attempt to divert from discussion .

Everywhere else you are accused of being a liar-- you spend endless time justifying yourself -- and -- in this very precise case -- all you offer is to try and move away from answering.
You lie as a matter of course - Trump is a liar as a matter of course -- mmmmmm
Title: Re: Russian convicted of spying for the Brits poisoned (?) in the UK West Country ?
Post by: JayH on September 17, 2018, 06:12:54 PM
Moby, You can NOT provide any actual evidence of your event with J. Clarkson, Pas de Calais or A. Robinson, dinner. It is a fib/fantasy until proved otherwise by your self.

I can say I have met the queen of England and Amsterdam in Amsterdam. OK it was little more than a nod and smile. But my youngest daughter presented a bouquet to Quenn Elisabeth. I can back this up with news and reports. You can not provide any such proof.

Why not take a hike to the library and find some proof?


Av-- I can say a friend of mine "met" Clarkson !

I should add -- if this had escalated my friend would have made mince meat out of Clarkson --  except for the amount of security present in the area.Now that would have been news !

Jeremy Clarkson snaps

Controversial Top Gear host Jeremy Clarkson has been involved in a mobile phone-fuelled stoush at a Melbourne restaurant over the weekend.


http://www.drive.com.au/motor-news/jeremy-clarkson-in-strife-over-casino-fight-20110314-1btot.html
Title: Re: Russian convicted of spying for the Brits poisoned (?) in the UK West Country ?
Post by: BdHvA on September 17, 2018, 07:25:26 PM
Sadly, you don't enjoy the luxury of my ripostes never appearing - on here - so your daft 'assertions' about my past exploits from 30 years ago

Moby, I suspect there are few who desire to read your 'ripostes' involving figments of your imagination from 30 years ago.
Title: Re: Russian convicted of spying for the Brits poisoned (?) in the UK West Country ?
Post by: JayH on September 17, 2018, 07:36:28 PM
ex-wife and I get on just fine - she came down to to the Sailing Club yesterday- having called me to ask permission -  with two mutual friends - a BY and UA lady ( she is Russian) - parked her car next to mine and went for a walk around the lakes - before 'supporting' me making a pillock of myself ( being over the line - the Officer of the Day was somewhat slow in flying the flag to denote someone was over - and I was at the far end of the line - having done a port end flyer - lost a minute going back -  hitting a mark -360 penalty -  ) and  recovering to take second in the annual  Bart's Bash race..


Sort of funny to read( not)  in the context of the thread.
I have added a link of interview   -- to a VERY good friend of mine  that may give you a few clues about me !  His older brother ( Bob) is and has been a coach and associated with some of the VERY big names of the tennis world  and it was nothing to see famous faces around the dinner table !


Av -- this link will interest you too !

For Moby -- there are a few tips in here !

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJBB5fEYz7s
Title: Re: Russian convicted of spying for the Brits poisoned (?) in the UK West Country ?
Post by: msmob on September 18, 2018, 05:55:14 AM
Moby, I suspect there are few who desire to read your 'ripostes' involving figments of your imagination from 30 years ago.

I can understand why - seeing - like you - they simply demonstrate what a fool believes to the contrary ....

In the mean time - 'Sir' - I wasn't aware my honest and truthful recollections of factual events would be called into question by a 'doubting Thomas' ..

What sort of strange person tells another they haven't done what they truly have and demands proof 30 years on ?

Hopefully, one of the other Flintstones has photos.. one is now in Toronto, another in Zurich and Lord only knows where Betty lives now ..

IF you ever meet JC - do be sure to ask him if he's ever broken down in a white De Tomaso Pantera and who rescued him.... ?

Or.... you could ask him how he refers to IT people ( Geeks) and did he first wife run off with a guy who wore white socks ?.... ;))

I hope you don't claim to be an expert in analysing fakes - you've probably advised folks with genuine works ..



Title: Re: Russian convicted of spying for the Brits poisoned (?) in the UK West Country ?
Post by: msmob on September 18, 2018, 06:10:52 AM


For Moby -- there are a few tips in here !

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJBB5fEYz7s

AV say he sails an old man's boat ...  I've no reason to doubt him ..  ;)

I was in the UK National team for 10 days .. but the then Laser coach - also from N.Ireland wanted commitment I couldn't give as I hard just started my own biz 

I am now overweight for a Laser - and no where near fit enough but beat all the other Lasers - despite giving them a one min 20 head start with my various penalties .... We have one guy in his v. late seventies still racing one

I have no idea what you do (JayH) tennis orientated ? ....

Title: Re: Russian convicted of spying for the Brits poisoned (?) in the UK West Country ?
Post by: JayH on September 18, 2018, 04:21:18 PM
AV say he sails an old man's boat ...  I've no reason to doubt him ..  ;)

I was in the UK National team for 10 days .. but the then Laser coach - also from N.Ireland wanted commitment I couldn't give as I hard just started my own biz 

I am now overweight for a Laser - and no where near fit enough but beat all the other Lasers - despite giving them a one min 20 head start with my various penalties .... We have one guy in his v. late seventies still racing one

I have no idea what you do (JayH) tennis orientated ? ....

I dropped a few names in reference to some of your "name dropping" for a bit of fun-- but in my case all very very real ! I can keep going if you like !! :D
One of the many problems you have is that you know somewhere from nothing to not much about other people here- and will only get snippets as you do not develop relationships with people.There are members here who are/were superstars --like AJ ( Jumper here)  who are known worldwide by millions as a legend in his specific field of endeavour  and have only ever made the barest of mentions of part of that world.There are people here who know more( some who I have met in real life) about me -- and to their credit those confidences are kept. That works 2 ways -- and I hope I am not crossing a line in the next sentence.

Av has not always sailed an old mans boat ! Not sure which of his boats he was referring to --but he has a very beautiful largish yacht that would fit my description that would match! BTW  Moby -- you could not even afford a week's charter of that type of boat -- and AV owns it !! ;D

Interesting comment on your "involvement" in UK team -- does not fit with how things are done-  so call me sceptical.

Further -overweight for a Laser  --mmmm  -- not a fit either looking at your photos and noting recent comments about claimed height-- so perhaps you can tell us what weight you actually are? - Call me sceptical again !

Further (2) -- the Laser has  a thriving age  division world championship at Masters Games so there is no excuse !

Funnily enough after seeing  various  sailing related posts and your Laser claims I was going to tell you I could sail a Laser backwards around a course faster than you can sail !!   And -- the Laser has never been part of anything serious for me -- and --I still own one !
Title: Re: Russian convicted of spying for the Brits poisoned (?) in the UK West Country ?
Post by: BdHvA on September 18, 2018, 05:48:52 PM
What sort of strange person tells another they haven't done what they truly have and demands proof 30 years on ?

Moby, I spent a few days rereading some of J. Clarkson's writing and stories. They are great!

Here is what I found no where does J. Clarkson mention driving a De Tomaso Pantera. The car was interesting as a super car, that was dependable. A Ford engine and drive train. Not as exotic as Ferrari or Lamborghini but a car that was drivable and fun. Plus good looking. These vehicles were built from 1971 to 1993.

Now the Jaguar XJS or XJ~S was built from 1975 until 1996. The car was interesting in styling and in my opinion elegant. The car suffered from a rather poor reputation in reliability.

I spent a fair time looking into various sites regarding J. Clarskson, and different recollections there is no information confirming your tale. Why not go down to the library and find some information that corroborates your story.

Title: Re:Av and JayH - taking out of their respective ...
Post by: msmob on September 19, 2018, 12:30:49 AM
I dropped a few names in reference to some of your "name dropping" for a bit of fun-- but in my case all very very real ! I can keep going if you like !! :D

No thanks, I was merely being sl. friendly in showing some interest ...your continued folly re trying to suggest...

1/ I wasn't where I said I was

2/ When I said I was

3/ Who with

( along with AV ) somewhat amazes me..can two guys be SO STUPID as to continue to doubt truthful recollections of my life - as some sort of 'excuse' to belittle anything else I might post ? ..)

In another life, I provided FAST ( fast at the time)  internet connectivity to many 'lovvies' (including Anne Robinson who was not quite so famous - as her Weakest Leak time had yet to come .) .and at the time I didn't name drop ..  20 -30 years on - I see no harm letting the likes of you and AV making asses of yourselves suggesting I'm making it up ;))


I'm now convinced I've hurt your feelinz re busting your frequent copy and pastes from wack job UA sources on Crimea - which praise be - dried up..

As for Av ... He seems to believe that my stance on immigration and not tarring all followers of Islam with the same brush makes me 'strange' ..

He is a little sensitive re ARSE photos so this one's for him.. IF he's going to talk out of his .. at least let's see a better one..

(http://farm2.staticflickr.com/1856/30904691628_84f2040cac_n.jpg)



It's titled "The rear end of Summer leaves the Northern hemisphere"..

One of the many problems you have ...

Av has not always sailed an old mans boat ! Not sure which of his boats he was referring to --but he has a very beautiful largish yacht that would fit my description that would match! BTW  Moby -- you could not even afford a week's charter of that type of boat -- and AV owns it !! ;D

Interesting comment on your "involvement" in UK team -- does not fit with how things are done-  so call me sceptical.

Further -overweight for a Laser  --mmmm  -- not a fit either looking at your photos and noting recent comments about claimed height-- so perhaps you can tell us what weight you actually are? - Call me sceptical again !

Further (2) -- the Laser has  a thriving age  division world championship at Masters Games so there is no excuse !

Funnily enough after seeing  various  sailing related posts and your Laser claims I was going to tell you I could sail a Laser backwards around a course faster than you can sail !!   And -- the Laser has never been part of anything serious for me -- and --I still own one !

JayH

One of my many 'faults' is certainly not posting BS about my life.. I reserve THAT for you and Av.. You very own Arthur Brett explains his love for the Laser and why...

In my early twenties I did the Laser Circuit, made the national training squad - to be accurate - by my results in travellers series of open meetings series up and down the country ...  a visit to my home club's Club Champion board would be a little clue as to your stupidity..given the number of times my name appears..

My very favourite trophy is one I won with a guy called Steve who had a stroke and is incapacitated down the left hand side...yet cycles 15 miles ( round trip) to the sailing club in a specially designed bike.

I taught him to sail in an Aussie designed boat - a Hansa 303

(http://www.sailingforall.com/imgs/782Accessday6.jpg)

In his first Open Meeting -  UK National event - I crewed him to win in our doubled handed 303 ...    my most satisfying win ever...

I am flattered by the effort you've put in to try and suggest some lack of truthfulness re my posts - or my abilities [  :D ]  but I'm afraid I'm not seeking fame and there are others at my club who've done FAR more to promote Sailability- sailing for the disabled - than I - given the time I spend  away.. 

Lastly, I don't LIKE sailing bigger boats... they just don't FEEL as alive - and I reserve them for cruising to quiet coves..  My father owned a cruising yacht and I learnt it is more sensible to charter..   

A photo from a quiet cove at the eastern most Greek island in the Med ...  SC didn't even have a Schengen Visa - but we had to take shelter from a storm and were given permission to stay one night !

(http://farm2.staticflickr.com/1863/42720414870_cdf5f3976c_n.jpg)


I most congratulate you both on decimating the thread, though... 











Title: Re:Av and JayH - taking out of their respective ...
Post by: BdHvA on September 19, 2018, 12:49:51 AM
Ah the Moby shuffle. He can not provide any proof for his claims so he deflects with other images.

As for Av ... He seems to believe that my stance on immigration and not tarring all followers of Islam with the same brush makes me 'strange' ..

Please show where I have discussed your stance on immigration? In fact where have I discussed immigration?

Ego a bit bruised? Veracity doubted?
Title: Re:Av and JayH - taking out of their respective ...
Post by: msmob on September 19, 2018, 01:15:19 AM
Ah the Moby shufflePlease show where I have discussed your stance on immigration?

Ego a bit bruised? Veracity doubted?


There is NO 'shuffle', 'Sir' ...   YOU are suggesting something I've posted is a 'fib' ....   You seem to be confused as to WHO needs to prove otherwise and if I had a photo from thirty years ago  - I'd 'delight' in rubbing your nose in it ...



I pointed out - elsewhere - that MY eldest daughter lived in S.London and regularly waked through neighbourhoods that some dickhead on US TV had proclaimed a 'no go' area......

YOU seem to have forgotten your suggesting that your daughter attended University in the UK and would not be revealing where - lest I sought her out ?!..... [emoji for puke ]

I'm sure you're 'stalking' slur is now flooding back ...

Once again, I'm constantly AMAZED at the daft things folks post about posters they've never met and assuredly - unless it is by unfortunate accident - never will - simply because they have opposing viewpoints...

I'd NEVER waste my time 'researching' - other than checking back on a forum - what was said by one-some in the context of a historical howler or a comment about my good-self ...   

Yup, this thread really is still about the Kremlin's away games ..
Title: Re: Russian convicted of spying for the Brits poisoned (?) in the UK West Country ?
Post by: BdHvA on September 19, 2018, 01:19:28 AM
Give it a rest Moby, your veracity is at an all time low with you shuffle/deflection.

It is a fib, you can not provide any proof otherwise.
Title: Re: Russian convicted of spying for the Brits poisoned (?) in the UK West Country ?
Post by: JayH on September 19, 2018, 01:22:40 AM
Moby --thanks for reposting that last photo-I specifically mentioned that in another thread today!

Next-- you constantly need everything to be spelt out to you-- and every T dotted and i crossed !! And you still miss the point all too often-- but that does not stop you blundering on .

On you sailing "feats" --mmm   well-- good for you ! I am happy that anyone participates   -- but -- let me paraphrase some comments I have made many times in other worlds in trying to explain high level competition  -- 
 Australian Rules Football is now a highly paid full time profession of an extremely athletic game played by skilled players -- come Grand final day -- Joe Average takes his 3 yo along and outside the ground has a "kick" of their plastic football  !!

 Is it the same game? mmm
Well-- your club sailing is the equivalent to kicking that plastic football!!
Yeah -- I am an elitest when I read BS!! ;D

Now back to a few specifics  --Too heavy for a Laser? Stop avoiding the question-- what height and weight are you? Your photos  offer some clues -- and my guess is that you are too light-- not too heavy .The  point is simple enough -- what weight DO YOU THINK MAKES YOU TOO HEAVY?   For anyone else reading -- it shows lack of understanding .

THEN--  prove you were in Crimea in Feb 2014 as you stated . I believe it was at least 2 years earlier that you were there.Offer some supporting "evidence " to your claim .

So --  I call LIAR again.

On all the sailing issues -- my actual attitude is good for you -- and it is what it is and does not need embellishment  into something it is not.
Title: Re: Russian convicted of spying for the Brits poisoned (?) in the UK West Country ?
Post by: msmob on September 19, 2018, 01:30:28 AM
Give it a rest Moby, your veracity is at an all time low with you shuffle/deflection.

It is a fib, you can not provide any proof otherwise.


Why should I 'give it a rest' when you persist in telling us a truthful recollection of my past experiences are fibs ?  :cluebat:

IF this was a Court of Law - YOU'd need to prove I was 'fibbing' - which I'm not ....     

You seem VERY confused as to right and wrong, truth and fiction ...






Title: Re: Russian convicted of spying for the Brits poisoned (?) in the UK West Country ?
Post by: BdHvA on September 19, 2018, 01:38:36 AM
Why should I 'give it a rest' when you persist in telling us a truthful recollection of my past experiences are fibs ? 

IF this was a Court of Law - YOU'd need to prove I was 'fibbing' - which I'm not ....     

You seem VERY confused as to right and wrong, truth and fiction ...

Here is where you are wrong you are claiming something you can not prove. From Stateside I checked where I could and can not find any proof of your 'exploits'. If I was an employer I would demand a proof of your claims. If I was a publisher again tangible evidence would be needed. You have every chance to do some research and indicate the reality with proof.

Until presently it remains a fib.
Title: Re: Russian convicted of spying for the Brits poisoned (?) in the UK West Country ?
Post by: JayH on September 19, 2018, 01:39:32 AM
LASER FORUM

Laser Talk 
Competitive Weight



Can you guys chip in with what you consider with a competitive weight for a master sailor, 5"10?

By competitive i mean able to win District Level events at least.
It would depend on how good your district is. If the winners in your masters divisions are also capable of winning open cubes, you would have no leeway in regard to weight and would not be able to be over or under weight by any significant degree.

Full rig weights would be between these ranges:

78kg if you are very strong and are able to hike all the way out for extended periods but that is the absolute minimum to be quick in all conditions and you would not want a heavy regatta as similarly skilled sailors who weigh in the low to mid 80kg's will beat you upwind. The advantage downwind is not enough to equalise the difference.

80-84kg being ideal for all conditions.

85kg is the upper range to remain competitive with the top group in light conditions. You could maybe get away with as much as 90kg but not if you are racing sailors who are ranked in lets say the top 100 on ISAF.

Basically you can be quick between these weight ranges in most conditions but skill and fitness will the main determinants of success.

http://sailingforums.com/threads/competitive-weight.20622/

Title: Re: Russian convicted of spying for the Brits poisoned (?) in the UK West Country ?
Post by: JayH on September 19, 2018, 01:44:47 AM
Here is where you are wrong you are claiming something you can not prove. From Stateside I checked where I could and can not find any proof of your 'exploits'. If I was an employer I would demand a proof of your claims. If I was a publisher again tangible evidence would be needed. You have every chance to do some research and indicate the reality with proof.

Until presently it remains a fib.


AV -- my very specific question should be easy to offer some evidence on-- given he want to live his life  out in the "open" internet

From earlier in thread --

Moby, You can NOT provide any actual evidence of your

supposed time in Crimea in Feb 2014  !!!!


Not one piece of "evidence" has been offered whatsoever  .

A very clear lie told -- and much attempt to divert from discussion .

Everywhere else you are accused of being a liar-- you spend endless time justifying yourself -- and -- in this very precise case -- all you offer is to try and move away from answering.
You lie as a matter of course - Trump is a liar as a matter of course -- mmmmmm
Title: Re: Russian convicted of spying for the Brits poisoned (?) in the UK West Country ?
Post by: msmob on September 19, 2018, 01:50:49 AM
Here is where you are wrong you are claiming something you can not prove.

INCORRECT

I posted a past experience from my past life ....  I HONESTY had no idea that some strange guys from the internet would have the temerity to suggest it was made up ....

From Stateside I checked where I could and can not find any proof of your 'exploits'. If I was an employer I would demand a proof of your claims. If I was a publisher again tangible evidence would be needed. You have every chance to do some research and indicate the reality with proof.

I have given you a new clue - Performance Car Magazine ... Feel free to buy up back copies from '87 - '89 ..

Why don't you write to JC and ask him why you can't find that he's driven and broken down in a D T P ? )))


Until presently it remains a fib. [/font][/size]

Let;s get this absolutely correct - YOU remain 'unconvinced' - stating I'm lying - esp . given I'm - clearly - defending my recollection and even conceding an error re the publication should be a HUGE clue as to your folly

Let's see if you can deal with YOUR memory issues re your contention 'Moby the stalker' )))

,,,and YUP the thread is still about the Skripal poisoning ..

Do you think that the Kremlin weren't behind it ?

Title: Re: Russian convicted of spying for the Brits poisoned (?) in the UK West Country ?
Post by: JayH on September 19, 2018, 01:55:46 AM
You are busy posting all over the place -- but decline to tell us your weight.
You recently made an attempt to confuse over your actual height  -- and photo you used gives us some idea of your actual weight.


NOTE -- when Moby is confronted about his bs -- no answer -- anything but an answer
Title: Re: Jay H making it up
Post by: msmob on September 19, 2018, 02:41:58 AM
Re my TRUTHFUL statement to JAYH  - which he has some trouble digesting



A very clear lie told -- and much attempt to divert from discussion .

It wasn't a lie ..and this thread is about the Skripals' poisoning ... so who's diverting ? ...

 I'm ever more amazed at your foolishness - viz:

Everywhere else you are accused of being a liar-- you spend endless time justifying yourself

Incorrect: IF I have evidence to put down an internet 'doubter' - of course I'll post it ..

How do I 'prove'  my statement ?  I entered Ukraine on an Irish passport and  Crimea was still under effective control by Kyiv ...   

You can - of course - write to the UA authorities or maps.me or openstreetmaps and ask if they keep records of users of their free to use versions of mapping software...

We used a Samusng Galaxy Note 1 and 2 and a specialist GPS/ GLONASS sat nav, with a built in GSM modem

Your technical  'ASSertions' re mapping software for Crimea in 2014 was nonsense.   Which one of us earns a crust from such business ?


MY post as to my last visit to Crimea is factual and truthful  - my Irish passport covering that period expired and I have a new one.  I saw NO reason to keep it to 'prove' to an internet idiot - where I've been - given I used the UK passports for trips to Russia (and places not so friendly with Israel )  since 2007 and I DO keep the UK ones, accordingly

I've only used that IRL one to go to Israel - asked for no stamp to be placed, Ukraine, Turkey and various EU trips.

JayH- I'm left wondering if you are describing yourself  re 'faults' ...    Which one of us posts about their travels with photos ? 

From 2012-14 I was single and hurting over my split with V ...  Up to early 2014, I actlvely dissuaded folks to take my photo and saw no reason to advertise my activities ...  a little like you....  'Mr 'secret squirrel - who gets quite upset when others question your movements :)))

Repeatedly telling someone and BROADCASTING they are 'lying' about a factual statement is the action of an internet fool





Title: Re: Russian convicted of spying for the Brits poisoned (?) in the UK West Country ?
Post by: msmob on September 19, 2018, 02:47:37 AM
You are busy posting all over the place -- but decline to tell us your weight.

Not the most observant poster - I have even had Silly BillyB doubt my  - height 179cm plus and weight low nineties in KG which was posted a few days ago ..

You recently made an attempt to confuse over your actual height  -- and photo you used gives us some idea of your actual weight.

Again - only Silly BillyB doubted my height ))


NOTE -- when Moby is confronted about his bs -- no answer -- anything but an answer

As we can see - JayH cannot remember what was posted days ago and THAT was another idiot telling me a fact concerning ME was a 'fib' :)

Title: Re: Russian convicted of spying for the Brits poisoned (?) in the UK West Country ?
Post by: JayH on September 19, 2018, 03:04:34 AM
You are busy posting all over the place -- but decline to tell us your weight.
You recently made an attempt to confuse over your actual height  -- and photo you used gives us some idea of your actual weight.


NOTE -- when Moby is confronted about his bs -- no answer -- anything but an answer

So -- state your height and current weight  is ????????????????????????????
Title: Re: Russian convicted of spying for the Brits poisoned (?) in the UK West Country ?
Post by: msmob on September 19, 2018, 03:20:56 AM
So -- state your height and current weight  is ????????????????????????????

JayH

How can ANYONE believe your 'ASSertions' when it is clear you don't read ....

Anyone not comatose by your ridiculous need for me to prove what I stated was fact to satisfy YOU would have noticed I've posted my height and weight several times in the last seven days ..

I have all the time in the world to counter you strange need to repeatedly question events in my life ..but at least READ my responses ? 

It will certainly save you making an ASS of yourself

Title: Re: Moby proves to JayH who really knows about Laser Racing ...
Post by: msmob on September 19, 2018, 03:37:49 AM
Moby --thanks for reposting that last photo-I specifically mentioned that in another thread today!

You'll forgive me - but I missed that post of yours ..  I'll check back when / if I convince you of your repeated folly on here...

On you sailing "feats" --mmm   well-- good for you ! I am happy that anyone participates   -- but -- let me paraphrase some comments I have made many times in other worlds in trying to explain high level competition 

Some of the guys I used to beat have indeed gone on to make money from racing, but it was the NEXT generation that can do that given the changes in rules re professionalism that didn't exist in my time of being useful .. 

You seems confused as to time, now, too - comparing today with the eighties - The guys who earnt money and it wasn't THAT big were ex-Olympic Champions - who precluded themselves from competing by their taking up - say - America's Cup campaigns


Now back to a few specifics


That would be a first seeing you've not dealt with the main one  - my 'fibbing' ...

  --Too heavy for a Laser? Stop avoiding the question

To remind our poor JayH - I gave my height and weight to Silly BillyB only days ago - and he even doubted that ...  I have NO problem - once more divulging FAR more about myself that you ;) 

179cm plus - low 90 Kg  - the mass is not made up muscular form - given my paunch ...

A quick check on Laser forums would have shown you that Ben Ainslie - 3to 4cm taller - ( UK multiple Gold and Silver  Medal winner ) was 78Kg - his ideal weight when competing for Laser Championships and he went up to 90Kg for the Finn

Why are you posting what is UTTER  BS to someone who's done the circuit and even competed against the young - future multiple champion ?

THEN--  prove you were in Crimea in Feb 2014 as you stated . I believe it was at least 2 years earlier that you were there.Offer some supporting "evidence " to your claim .

I'm 'sorry' but it's what you 'believe', now ?

So --  I call LIAR again.

Like I'm bovvered - given I know my original statement was truthful and you keep proving that you know no more about my life, movements, mapping software, Satellite positioning and now Laser Racing !

On all the sailing issues -- my actual attitude is good for you -- and it is what it is and does not need embellishment  into something it is not.

No embellishment - you got 100 percent FACT .... it's just that you ( and AV)  get your kicks from telling others that a FACT about my past is a 'fib' - and DEMAND proof ... 
Title: Re: Russian convicted of spying for the Brits poisoned (?) in the UK West Country ?
Post by: JayH on September 19, 2018, 03:40:28 AM
It's easy Moby-- state it here where it is directly relevant to a point in question!

You could have said   too light too fat  ,too unfit,too old -- but no-you said too heavy !
Which-- I dispute -- so just tell us all why you refuse to answer  !!!



You complain of the thread being diverted -- but  keep posting crap as you try and avoid being proven a liar/ :)
Title: Re:JayH now confused about what he's complaining about ..
Post by: msmob on September 19, 2018, 04:01:23 AM
It's easy Moby-- state it here where it is directly relevant to a point in question!

You could have said   too light too fat  ,too unfit,too old -- but no-you said too heavy !
Which-- I dispute -- so just tell us all why you refuse to answer  !!!

JayH,

You're clearly not the sharpest tool in the box. 

I've repeated that you are 'mistaken' re my statement concerning my times in Crimea  - which considering your getting your knickers in  twist when folks question your movements was ironic ..

Then you tried to suggest I was being 'economical with fact' re my sailing exploits - with some interesting 'boasts' I'd love to take you up on - if we're ever on the same stretch of water - and have a Laser each ..

WHY was this ?  Because I correctly questioned your daft assertion re mapping software re Crimea - which resulted in you telling me about something I earn my crust from - and I knew you were struggling - when you posted howlers about the chronology of firms and their products I've tested long before you knew of them ...

Sadly - for you - you chose my hobby of the last 45 years and my VERY specific expertise which is satellite comms - for the last - gosh 18 - years ...   

You are indeed BillyB's twin  - in that you will never admit when you are up against someone who knows what they are talking about - in that field - and then revert to 'Moby's a liar' when you simply don't want to - cannot believe that a FACT you read is indeed just that ...

YOU want us to 'respect' your experiences of Ukraine - which you don't back up with any photos, etc. - the irony of your demands should not be lost on any casual reader we might still have....

You can kick and scream and 'protest' all you like, but it will not alter the FACT that what I posted about my trips to Ukraine - of which Crimea was still a part- without question - were truthful

You are the sort of bloke who believes the Skripal's are being held against their will  .. THAT is how daft you come across - by doubting my word and even calling me a 'liar' ...





Title: Re: Russian convicted of spying for the Brits poisoned (?) in the UK West Country ?
Post by: JayH on September 19, 2018, 04:09:50 AM
So - what is your height & weight?



So-- where is the link to your posts from  Crimea Feb 2014?
Title: Re: Russian convicted of spying for the Brits poisoned (?) in the UK West Country ?
Post by: msmob on September 19, 2018, 11:27:58 AM
So - what is your height & weight?

Can you REALLY be that THICK ? It seems you don't READ / engage your brain before posting ... it's even on THIS page


So-- where is the link to your posts from  Crimea Feb 2014?

Do you need to KEEP on proving inattentiveness ?

I already pointed out I wasn't posting while 'in mourning' ( late 2012 - to early 2015 on here )  and I only returned to the  FSU dating scene in early 2014 - 'clue'  for you ...


Yup, JayH  you've dropped a clanger re your proclamation as to my movements

Title: Re: Moby proves to JayH who really knows about Laser Racing ...
Post by: BdHvA on September 19, 2018, 03:54:51 PM
You seems confused as to time, now, too - comparing today with the eighties - The guys who earnt money and it wasn't THAT big were ex-Olympic Champions - who precluded themselves from competing by their taking up - say - America's Cup campaigns

179cm plus - low 90 Kg  - the mass is not made up muscular form - given my paunch ...

A quick check on Laser forums would have shown you that Ben Ainslie - 3to 4cm taller - ( UK multiple Gold and Silver  Medal winner ) was 78Kg - his ideal weight when competing for Laser Championships and he went up to 90Kg for the Finn

Things change, there now is decent money in driving boats or coaching sailors. As well as navigator, tactician and bow man. A friend from Star days is and has been for a long time connected to the Luna Rosa team. He earns $100,000 per year when we last spoke two years ago. I understand the tactician's on a TP52 earn more now.

When I was sailing Star's I knew B. Ainsle was competing in Medemblik, I suspect for the Finn he weighed a bit more.
Title: Re: Russian convicted of spying for the Brits poisoned (?) in the UK West Country ?
Post by: JayH on September 19, 2018, 05:01:31 PM
 Regardless of all else -- 90kgs is ok weight for a weekend Laser sailor.
Quoting Ben Ainslie at his peak is ridiculous-he was at the bottom end of the weight scale  and super fit  -- historically the guys used    weight jackets to increase weight  into higher  range.
You can see the comments in the link I supplied on weight.

So Moby-- your comments were basically BS and designed to mislead.You are a club sailor -- and as such -- no where remotely close to international level. No shame in that in itself -- but you were not being truthful !! :)

Also note-- I do not need to research any of this stuff- it is old news to me

Things change, there now is decent money in driving boats or coaching sailors. As well as navigator, tactician and bow man. A friend from Star days is and has been for a long time connected to the Luna Rosa team. He earns $100,000 per year when we last spoke two years ago. I understand the tactician's on a TP52 earn more now.

When I was sailing Star's I knew B. Ainsle was competing in Medemblik, I suspect for the Finn he weighed a bit more.


Indeed things change -- there has been very serious money around in this last couple of decades with the America's Cup  syndicates driving costs up and signing on guys for very decent money  as the sought to buy expertise.
Payments were around in the 80's as Av says -- and the wider professionalism of the sport at the top end saw many countries seeking the expertise to climb the ladder.
Title: Re: Russian convicted of spying for the Brits poisoned (?) in the UK West Country ?
Post by: Maxx2 on September 19, 2018, 05:49:01 PM
So -- state your height and current weight  is ????????????????????????????


I have no inclination to get involved with this. I try and get along with everyone. And if any of you fellas wind up in the Republic of Georgia, look me up. I'll be glad to show you around.


OK about Moby. I've been on video chat with him and I've spoken to the lovely SC. I would judge him to be of average height (5' 10') and weight (185 pounds). He could lose about 20 pounds but other than that, he is A-OK.
Title: Re: Moby proves to JayH who really knows about Laser Racing ...
Post by: msmob on September 19, 2018, 10:50:25 PM

When I was sailing Star's I knew B. Ainsle was competing in Medemblik, I suspect for the Finn he weighed a bit more.

Av - the figures I quoted for Ben Ainslie's weight - at the times of winning in Laser and Finns at the Olympics - was from an interview with .....Ben Ainslie ...

Once again, you doubt the horse's mouth ;)


Title: Re: Russian convicted of spying for the Brits poisoned (?) in the UK West Country ?
Post by: msmob on September 19, 2018, 11:02:12 PM




OK about Moby. I've been on video chat with him and I've spoken to the lovely SC. I would judge him to be of average height (5' 10') and weight (185 pounds). He could lose about 20 pounds but other than that, he is A-OK.



Good morning , Vietnam ! :))

Gents  -are my posts invisible.. ?   My father was 5' 10" and - but my brother and I are taller ..

.... 'clue' to my height / weight just might be ( as I KEEP saying ) to be found on here and a Silly BillyB thread whereby he also 'doubts' the veracity of my word - including my height !  :popcorn:

Skype is not a good way to work out someone's height ( IMHO)  ..SC 'fibbed' about her height - adding 4 cm and before her I chatted to another lady - who hadn't listed her height and I figured was 164cm and she is 169cm ,,

Maxx, thanks for the support - but it is too late ... I am now on meds and in therapy - as BillyB, JayH and Av have me doubting my height, weight and who I've met / what I've done ...

I'm convinced I'm a rogue android and been 'programmed' ;)





Title: Re: Russian convicted of spying for the Brits poisoned (?) in the UK West Country ?
Post by: JayH on September 19, 2018, 11:59:05 PM

I have no inclination to get involved with this. I try and get along with everyone. And if any of you fellas wind up in the Republic of Georgia, look me up. I'll be glad to show you around.


OK about Moby. I've been on video chat with him and I've spoken to the lovely SC. I would judge him to be of average height (5' 10') and weight (185 pounds). He could lose about 20 pounds but other than that, he is A-OK.

Maxx - I was not disputing his height or weight -- I just wanted him to say it !  Quite happy to accept his word-whatever he said ! He does look slimmer than 90kgs !!
Title: Re: Russian convicted of spying for the Brits poisoned (?) in the UK West Country ?
Post by: msmob on September 20, 2018, 01:25:59 AM
Regardless of all else -- 90kgs is ok weight for a weekend Laser sailor.

Telly-tubbie, No-oh ... JayH .... you may be referring to yourself.... *I* still race regularly ....WHY do you persist in writing about stuff - when it is clear you don't live the life TO know ?   ;)

In the mean time it seems that the Sun comic newspaper has fallen for a sick publicity stunt involving a Russian born lass ... who was 'poisoned' in a Salisbury Restaurant only recently re-opened ...

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/sep/19/salisburys-saga-the-spy-the-supermodel-the-strychnine-and-thats-just-the-sub-plot (http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/sep/19/salisburys-saga-the-spy-the-supermodel-the-strychnine-and-thats-just-the-sub-plot)







Title: Re: Russian convicted of spying for the Brits poisoned (?) in the UK West Country ?
Post by: BdHvA on September 20, 2018, 02:49:25 AM
Another messed up quote from Moby.

The key to B. Ainsle was/is he is supper fit. Most Finn sailors were 110 kilo and up. More than any other sailor Ainsle was very 'physical' in the Finn and set a new standard to race at the highest level.
Title: Re: Russian convicted of spying for the Brits poisoned (?) in the UK West Country ?
Post by: msmob on September 20, 2018, 03:11:43 AM
Another messed up quote from Moby.

The key to B. Ainsle was/is he is supper fit. Most Finn sailors were 110 kilo and up. More than any other sailor Ainsle was very 'physical' in the Finn and set a new standard to race at the highest level.


Sorted re the quoting - thanks

'physical' as in may be too much kenetic - rather than wind -  induced power ?;)
Title: Re: Russian convicted of spying for the Brits poisoned (?) in the UK West Country ?
Post by: JayH on September 20, 2018, 03:19:34 AM
Telly-tubbie, No-oh ... JayH .... you may be referring to yourself.... *I* still race regularly ....WHY do you persist in writing about stuff - when it is clear you don't live the life TO know ?   ;)



Ahh right -- Moby the genuis ( not) !

For the record  -- I am 182 cm  and currrently a fat 76kgs  --ideally I prefer to be sub 70kgs . I have an arm in plaster currently as a result of recent events in Ukraine !  As a result - have put on a few kgs - geez _ i wish I could actually blame that !
You have no idea about my background --or why or how -- and it will stay like that.
I said it to you before --in case you missed it -- do not presume so much about other people -- you all too often know zilch -- and only idiots like sBB2 brag and insinuate in their attempts to put others down --it only serves to show ho "little they are ( now that means petty -- as well as a short arse in sBB2 case!

Title: Re: Russian convicted of spying for the Brits poisoned (?) in the UK West Country ?
Post by: msmob on September 20, 2018, 03:33:51 AM

You have no idea about my background --or why or how -- and it will stay like that.

To confirm - I am not interested in your personal life, your height or weight ..

That  You choose to comment about my life - even telling us when I'm 'wrong' about it ... ;)  and claiming it is 'BS' ...  It's plain foolish and not a little bizarre ...TR*LLing fits the bill..

You've filled a few pages on this thread about the Skripals with your 'estimations' of my life and whilst it was entertaining - you must surely see- even someone as daft as Silly BillyB - that you aren't going to get me to change a truthful statement as to my movements ...

I'm off on my travels - again - and I'll be sure to keep a photo diary for the likes of Av, BillyB and yourself - lest I need to 'prove' myself in thirty years time.....


Title: Re: Russian convicted of spying for the Brits poisoned (?) in the UK West Country ?
Post by: JayH on September 20, 2018, 04:08:56 AM
Moby -- you show up in near enough every thread spewing your scepticim and innuendo over others relentlessly,  The you sqeall lick the stuck pig you are when  your lies are exposed.
You are a hipocrite in the extreme -- you make up   stuff about others without ANY foundation of truth -- and then want to get away with playing the victim.
Sound familiar--
you and Trump have more that telling lies in common.

You told an outright lie in your  desire to be "one up" -- and support a  contention of your own.

Of note -- you and silly Billy cannot leave anything --have a look at how many threads you destroy--  and  how many people at any one time you are arguing with .

You really are a DUNCE !!
Title: Re: Russian convicted of spying for the Brits poisoned (?) in the UK West Country ?
Post by: msmob on September 20, 2018, 04:27:28 AM
Moby -- you show up in near enough every thread

JayH will now describe himself ..

spewing your scepticim and innuendo over others relentlessly,  The you sqeall lick the stuck pig you are when  your lies are exposed.

..I missed when I uttered  said 'fib' and when it - or any 'untruth'  has been 'exposed' ? ... 

Any 'squealing' is YOU pretending you know about others lives and telling them they are 'mistaken' ...


This IS delicious irony ..

You are a hipocrite in the extreme -- you make up   stuff about others without ANY foundation of truth -- and then want to get away with playing the victim.
Sound familiar--
you and Trump have more that telling lies in common.

You told an outright lie in your  desire to be "one up" -- and support a  contention of your own.

Of note -- you and silly Billy cannot leave anything --have a look at how many threads you destroy--  and  how many people at any one time you are arguing with .

You really are a DUNCE !!

Being called a 'dunce' by an internet idiot who is describing himself - and doesn't even realise it - that made my day..



In the meantime ..EVERY time you post bollox about someone's life / movements, etc, and tell them that a factual statement is 'untrue' - you can expect to be put straight ...and mocked...
Title: Re: Russian convicted of spying for the Brits poisoned (?) in the UK West Country ?
Post by: DaveNY on September 26, 2018, 08:42:46 PM
Looks like Putin has some explaining to do. Ruslan Boshirov the assumed identity of one of those who tried to assassinate the Skripals is in fact a GRU colonel, Colonel Anatoliy Vladimirovich Chepiga. He was made a Hero of the Russian Federation by decree of Putin
in 2014 in a ceremony shrouded in secrecy.

Of course few in Russia will know of this unless they have internet access and read foreign websites. GRU colonels don't tend to just do silly things while on vacation in foreign countries, they take orders from very high ranking Russian officials who in turn take orders from Putin.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Intelligence_Directorate
http://www.yahoo.com/news/skripal-apos-hitman-apos-unmasked-160000596.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergei_Skripal
Title: Re: Russian convicted of spying for the Brits poisoned (?) in the UK West Country ?
Post by: msmob on September 26, 2018, 10:20:19 PM
Yesterday, it seems, there was a threat to discontinue RT in GB.  Russia quickly responded that they would remove all UK correspondents and reporters from Russia.  Then, in a blatant effort to intimidate GB, the spokesperson said that it is not wise to threaten a 'nuclear power'.  Strong arm tactics.  Seems to be the new Russia.

Wow, so we'll still get RT in N.Ireland, then ? ....


Title: Salisbury poisoning suspects identified as participant in Yanukovych's escape
Post by: JayH on October 02, 2018, 06:52:39 PM
 Ahh what a small world it is !



Salisbury poisoning suspects identified as participant in Yanukovych's escape


Avakov's statement upholds a fresh claim by former Russian journalist of the Center for Investigation Management Sergey Kanev who insists that one of the suspects in the poisoning of Sergey and Yulia Skripal, "Ruslan Boshirov," who was identified by investigative-journalism website Bellingcat as Colonel of Russia's Main Intelligence Directorate (also known as GRU) Anatoliy Chepiga, reportedly headed an operation to "evacuate" Yanukovych to Russia amid Euromaidan events in February 2014.



Read more on UNIAN: http://www.unian.info/politics/10283673-avakov-one-of-salisbury-poisoning-suspects-identified-as-participant-in-yanukovych-s-escape.html


Skripal suspect helped Yanukovych to flee Ukraine


Russian intelligence officer Anatoliy Chepiga, earlier named by UK police as Ruslan Boshirov, a suspect in poisoning of ex-Russian military intelligence officer Sergei Skripal in the UK, may have participated in the evacuation of ex-President Viktor Yanukovych from Ukraine in February 2014.

Serhiy Kaniev, the journalist who took part in the Skripal investigation of Russian The Insider and British Bellingcat, told Ukrainian news outlet Hromadske that Chepiga allegedly headed the operation to evacuate Yanukovych to Russia.

Yanukovych fled Ukraine on Feb. 23, days after a mass shooting of protesters by his security forces and the end of EuroMaidan Revolution. He was first transported to Crimea, and then to the Russian city of Rostov-on-Don.

Chepiga was identified by the British investigative team Bellingcat on Sept. 26. as a highly decorated colonel of the GRU, Russia’s military intelligence service. Bellingcat also said Chepiga had won Russia’s highest state award, the Hero of the Russian Federation medal. Chepiga is one of the two main suspects in the poisoning of ex-intelligence agent Skripal and his daughter Yulia.

“Chepiga took part in Yanukovych’s evacuation to Russia,” Kaniev told Hromadske on Oct. 1. “At least this is what my sources have evidenced. He and his special forces subdivision were at Yanukovych’s residence Mezhyhirya. He was there, he guarded him. From there they transported him to Crimea and then to Russia.”

http://www.kyivpost.com/ukraine-politics/journalist-says-skripal-suspect-helped-yanukovych-to-flee-ukraine.html
Title: Re: Russian convicted of spying for the Brits poisoned (?) in the UK West Country ?
Post by: Stirlitz on October 04, 2018, 05:48:12 PM

Have you seen this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wT-5wRVlAsY
Title: Re: Russian convicted of spying for the Brits poisoned (?) in the UK West Country ?
Post by: msmob on October 08, 2018, 03:26:09 PM
..and now Bellingcat reveal the second 'Russian Tourist" ..

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-45791378 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-45791378)

Skripal attack: Bellingcat names second Salisbury suspect

"The Bellingcat investigative website says the man who travelled under the alias Alexander Petrov is a military doctor working for Russian intelligence."

Title: Re: Russian convicted of spying for the Brits poisoned (?) in the UK West Country ?
Post by: DaveNY on October 08, 2018, 04:18:29 PM
..and now Bellingcat reveal the second 'Russian Tourist" ..

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-45791378 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-45791378)

Skripal attack: Bellingcat names second Salisbury suspect

"The Bellingcat investigative website says the man who travelled under the alias Alexander Petrov is a military doctor working for Russian intelligence."

Anyone who has lived in or visited greater London knows there's CCV everywhere and everyone living and working in the area is videoed hundreds of times a day. Supposedly the GRU is a top notice intelligence unit. For their operatives to be caught on video and recognized shows that this was not one of their more well planned operations.

It's common knowledge that a hat and sunglasses can fool facial recognition so why GRU operatives are not using these common tools is a mystery. Woolen caps do not count as hats.