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RWD Discussion Groups => Odds and Ends => Topic started by: Boethius on July 08, 2018, 01:45:13 PM

Title: Sex Tourism and Prostituiton
Post by: Boethius on July 08, 2018, 01:45:13 PM
I really dont think a western man would spend all the time and money to meet a fsu lady, if he couldnt  follow through on marrying her.

You have obviously never been to Ukraine. Its cities are full of exactly that type of WM.
Title: Sex Tourism and Prostituiton
Post by: GenMish on July 08, 2018, 03:02:19 PM
You have obviously never been to Ukraine. Its cities are full of exactly that type of WM.

You are correct, I havent been to Ukraine. Only because I was told by a good friend who travelled to the fsu that there were better quality women for marriage in Russia and I should look there.  25 years ago I did go to Russia and met my bride to be. Over the past 25 years, I have known men that went to the fsu and married, and men that went and didnt marry(uncluding Ukraine). ALL of them had the ability to marry....and I have no idea what they told the ladies they met why they couldnt marry....but all I knew knew could marry
  You dont really think a western man is spending half his vacation time for the year and another $3000-$10000 USD in expenses to vacation in an old Ukrainian industrial town for cheap sex, do you?
Title: Sex Tourism and Prostituiton
Post by: Boethius on July 08, 2018, 03:42:09 PM
You are correct, I havent been to Ukraine. Only because I was told by a good friend who travelled to the fsu that there were better quality women for marriage in Russia and I should look there.  25 years ago I did go to Russia and met my bride to be. Over the past 25 years, I have known men that went to the fsu and married, and men that went and didnt marry(uncluding Ukraine). ALL of them had the ability to marry....and I have no idea what they told the ladies they met why they couldnt marry....but all I knew knew could marry
  You dont really think a western man is spending half his vacation time for the year and another $3000-$10000 USD in expenses to vacation in an old Ukrainian industrial town for cheap sex, do you?

1.  RW are not "better quality" than UW.  That attitude speaks volumes, though.

2.  I don't have to "think" it.  I have seen it with my own eyes. 

But don't take my word for it -

http://ukraina.ru/exclusive/20180528/1020406434.html (http://ukraina.ru/exclusive/20180528/1020406434.html)

http://znaj.ua/ru/society/yntym-po-ukraynsky-v-poyskah-chego-k-nam-edut-tysyachy-ynostrancev (http://znaj.ua/ru/society/yntym-po-ukraynsky-v-poyskah-chego-k-nam-edut-tysyachy-ynostrancev)
Title: Sex Tourism and Prostituiton
Post by: GenMish on July 08, 2018, 06:20:50 PM
1.  RW are not "better quality" than UW.  That attitude speaks volumes, though.

2.  I don't have to "think" it.  I have seen it with my own eyes. 

But don't take my word for it -

http://ukraina.ru/exclusive/20180528/1020406434.html (http://ukraina.ru/exclusive/20180528/1020406434.html)

http://znaj.ua/ru/society/yntym-po-ukraynsky-v-poyskah-chego-k-nam-edut-tysyachy-ynostrancev (http://znaj.ua/ru/society/yntym-po-ukraynsky-v-poyskah-chego-k-nam-edut-tysyachy-ynostrancev)


I never said RW were better, I said I went to Russia because of trusted advice from a friend. 25 years ago Ukraine too was a potential choice. However those that went to Ukraine often wanted a back up plan of beautiful $10/nt ladies of the evening . Mind you it was their back up plan....most could marry....In Russia, my backup plan was being a co pilot in a MIG for $100 a flight....the last thing I wanted was to catch HIV from a lady of the night and die for some cheap sex

Your links
I have been to Russia enough times to speak and get by. But I cant read your linked articles completely in Russian. If the articles say what you imply, they are just as disingenuous as the papers here in the USA. They write what people want to hear. Im sure many people in Ukraine are very jealous of women that have changed their citizenship to a western country and live much better lives
Title: Sex Tourism and Prostituiton
Post by: Boethius on July 08, 2018, 09:37:46 PM
Your links
I have been to Russia enough times to speak and get by. But I cant read your linked articles completely in Russian. If the articles say what you imply, they are just as disingenuous as the papers here in the USA. They write what people want to hear. Im sure many people in Ukraine are very jealous of women that have changed their citizenship to a western country and live much better lives

This is the reality of Ukraine. It is not hidden. It’s been discussed in the Rada, with one degenerate suggesting sex tourism be widely advertised as it brings a lot of money to Ukraine. Anyone who has spent any amount of time in Ukraine can see it with their own eyes-European men, American men, Turkish men, Arab men. These are the predominant sex tourists. It’s been that way since the collapse of communism, although trafficking abroad is much less frequent now, but sex tourism is worse now. To suggest papers are lying because of jealousy is, sorry, a stupid statement that ignores reality.

I have no reason to be jealous. I am a Westerner, not Ukrainian born. It makes me ill to see so many foreigners come to buy UW.

Title: Sex Tourism and Prostituiton
Post by: krimster2 on July 09, 2018, 05:44:15 AM
BO, somehow Amsterdam seems to have a thriving sex industry without enslaving women

the women who work there do so by choice, a simple matter of economics
and EVERYONE benefits from this “system”

the only thing stopping such a development in Ukraine, is the attitude of  the “social morality police” such as yourself who think sex is dirty and bad unless you’re married and making babies for the motherland - I wonder where you got that idea from?

instead of objecting to the presence of sex tourists
Ukraine should do what Amsterdam does
but that is unlikely to happen because there are too many people with your attitude
people in Ukraine are very narrow minded
at the level of Sunday school narrow minded
so now Ukrainian women just go to Amsterdam to work (I met a bunch!)
instead of making money and paying taxes in Ukraine

anyone with half a brain will leave Ukraine
by whatever means necessary
rather than put up with what they have to put up with there
and each year it just gets worse...

and by the way while you are crying over the “anthill” of sex tourists
you completely ignore the “mountain” of Ukrainian “bosses” and their female employees

you should have seen the office of Ukrsots Bank in Kyiv, staffed exclusively with young super models all of whom slept with the boss as a condition of their employment
ohhhhhhhhh, the stories I’ve heard and seen, quite remarkable

so sex tourists didn’t create this phenomena, it was there before them
Ukrainian women and their bosses created it
imagine what it was like being a factory manager with mostly female employees in Stalinist Soviet times - jeeeeeeeezzzzzus it was a literal harem for them

Title: Sex Tourism and Prostituiton
Post by: krimster2 on July 09, 2018, 08:00:03 AM
BO,
for someone who lived there, you have some weird kind of distorted fairy-tale view of Ukraine, like they’re some sort of good hearted noble peasants living in clean little white houses with nice brick chimneys like in their cartoons...

the factory boss exploiting his female workers is a staple of Soviet culture
and you know this
and you know it’s just one of the countless Soviet behaviors that carried on to modern times

I’ve seen what women have to endure “on the job” in Ukraine, constant harassment and insecurity, even denial of wages if they’re not “compliant”
no such thing as any form of worker protection, no one to complain to
because basically no one there cares
even the women
I’ve witnessed myself in Ukraine,  how mother’s turn a blind eye to domestic violence on their own daughters, as long as the husband is a good provider (especially if some comes to mama!)

so to press your hand against your weary brow, and cry over sex tourists
who though annoying and a subject of much ridicule
do no real harm
compared to what Ukrainians do to each other every day there
and goes completely unmentioned by you

Title: Sex Tourism and Prostituiton
Post by: Boethius on July 09, 2018, 10:55:42 AM
BO, somehow Amsterdam seems to have a thriving sex industry without enslaving women

the women who work there do so by choice, a simple matter of economics
and EVERYONE benefits from this “system”

Right.

http://www.monde-diplomatique.fr/1997/03/LOUIS/4629 (http://www.monde-diplomatique.fr/1997/03/LOUIS/4629)

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-netherlands-human-trafficking/at-least-1300-dutch-girls-per-year-trafficked-exploited-idUSKBN1CN1R2 (http://www.reuters.com/article/us-netherlands-human-trafficking/at-least-1300-dutch-girls-per-year-trafficked-exploited-idUSKBN1CN1R2)

http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2017/10/some-6000-people-a-year-in-the-netherlands-are-victims-of-trafficking/ (http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2017/10/some-6000-people-a-year-in-the-netherlands-are-victims-of-trafficking/)

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/amsterdam-red-light-district-failing-prostitution-sex-work-decriminalisation-doesnt-work-holland-a8206511.html (http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/amsterdam-red-light-district-failing-prostitution-sex-work-decriminalisation-doesnt-work-holland-a8206511.html)

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the only thing stopping such a development in Ukraine, is the attitude of  the “social morality police” such as yourself who think sex is dirty and bad unless you’re married and making babies for the motherland - I wonder where you got that idea from?

I don't recall saying that.  However, the sex industry always results in human trafficking.  In Ukraine, thousands of girls 12-14 are coerced against their will into sex.  Thousands of Eastern European women - Russians, now Ukrainians, Moldovans, Romanians, are trafficked, "owing" pimps tens of thousands of dollars for their "release".  And you think that is normal?

When power differentials exist, exploitation is the inevitable result.  There are no happy hookers.  If even the highly regulated industry in Amsterdam can't stop human trafficking, what chance does a poor, corrupt country like Ukraine have?
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you should have seen the office of Ukrsots Bank in Kyiv, staffed exclusively with young super models all of whom slept with the boss as a condition of their employment
ohhhhhhhhh, the stories I’ve heard and seen, quite remarkable

And they would have done so even if they were in the position of their bosses, right?

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so sex tourists didn’t create this phenomena, it was there before them
Ukrainian women and their bosses created it
imagine what it was like being a factory manager with mostly female employees in Stalinist Soviet times - jeeeeeeeezzzzzus it was a literal harem for them

When you tell your daughters to go work for some Ukrainian boss and submit to him to get ahead, or put them in a window in Amsterdam for the next decade, I'll believe your story of this great egality and sexual liberation. 
Title: Re: Sex Tourism and Prostituiton
Post by: Boethius on July 09, 2018, 12:10:51 PM
BO,
for someone who lived there, you have some weird kind of distorted fairy-tale view of Ukraine, like they’re some sort of good hearted noble peasants living in clean little white houses with nice brick chimneys like in their cartoons...

the factory boss exploiting his female workers is a staple of Soviet culture
and you know this
and you know it’s just one of the countless Soviet behaviors that carried on to modern times

I’ve seen what women have to endure “on the job” in Ukraine, constant harassment and insecurity, even denial of wages if they’re not “compliant”
no such thing as any form of worker protection, no one to complain to
because basically no one there cares
even the women
I’ve witnessed myself in Ukraine,  how mother’s turn a blind eye to domestic violence on their own daughters, as long as the husband is a good provider (especially if some comes to mama!)

so to press your hand against your weary brow, and cry over sex tourists who though annoying and a subject of much ridicule do no real harm compared to what Ukrainians do to each other every day there and goes completely unmentioned by you

I ran this by the better half, whose survival depended on understanding the party.  He first said "What the h*** is he talking about?  To say that stuff means this person knows nothing about the Soviet Union.  He is either a naive peasant or lumpenproletariat."(note - he did not know you are a foreigner)  "To get to this position (i.e., factory director), that person would have been under surveillance since the time he/she was 17 or 18 (there were female factory directors, as there were quotas).  They also underwent psychological testing."


He further stated "I am not saying harassment never occurred, but a factory director who did this would lose his position immediately, because the party controlled everything, and these individuals were under party surveillance, including in their homes, 24/7.  You have to realize, the USSR was a dictatorship."

So, no, I would say your assertion is not an accurate representation of Soviet society.  There was an acknowledgement that people, especially the young, desired sex, but it was also a rather moralistic society.  Unmarried couples could not rent hotel rooms.  No one could become the General Secretary of the CPSU if he were screwing around on his wife - he would have died as a member in some region.  This is because the party had to be the leader of the society - no black spots.  There can be nothing that smears the party through this person. 
Title: Re: Sex Tourism and Prostituiton
Post by: krimster2 on July 09, 2018, 12:29:32 PM
an apologist for the CCCP?

no "crimes" were ever committed in the Soviet Union
because everyone was watched?

threaten to lay some-one off from your factory
they lose their place to stay
and they lose their ration card
they day you do it, they will be homeless, with no food and no money
and if family doesn't help them they die
you control the complete factory
with your OWN security
you tell everyone there what to do
and you are bullet-proof
you know who the informants are
and you control them along with everyone else



Title: Re: Sex Tourism and Prostituiton
Post by: GenMish on July 09, 2018, 12:34:02 PM
BO,
You have changed your original argument. We weren't talking sex tourism on the other thread.

Originally we were discussing the men that correspond with fsu marriage minded women. You used all kinds of anti western male propaganda to suggest the western men didn't have honorable intentions with the lady they corresponded with. I then countered that most men (all I knew could) had legitimate intentions, and weren't spending all the time, money and effort for cheap sex and then throw her away as you suggested was so common. 
  Now, your data and support seems to be about the pay for sex trade in Ukraine. The same economic conditions that allow western men to marry young, beautiful, well educated, well mannered, and cultured ladies also allows for women who want to sell themselves for the night. The PRIMARY goal for men seeking a fsu woman for marriage is to find the former and avoid the later.

I would argue that in the Orthodox Christian culture, many women avoided the temptation to enter the sex trade or avoided sexual abuse by their boss because they found a western man to marry. Western men marrying quality fsu women is part of the solution, not the problem.
Title: Re: Sex Tourism and Prostituiton
Post by: krimster2 on July 09, 2018, 12:37:57 PM
no women were ever abused in the soviet union!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/russia/1450145/Stalins-depraved-executioner-still-has-grip-on-Moscow.html

Mr Antonov-Ovseyenko said: "Sometimes he would have his henchmen bring five, six or seven girls to him. He would make them strip, except for their shoes, and then force them into a circle on their hands and knees with their heads together.

"He would walk around in his dressing gown inspecting them. Then he would pull one out by her leg and haul her off to rape her. He called it the flower game."



i'm sure this only happened in this one particular instance
and never by any others...
Title: Re: Sex Tourism and Prostituiton
Post by: Boethius on July 09, 2018, 12:41:53 PM
I'm not speaking of Stalin's time.  I'm speaking of times from Khrushchev on.


During Stalin's reign of terror, women in Moscow were not safe on the street, as Beria would take a liking to one and hunt her down, killing everyone who mattered to her if she did not consent to be raped by him.  A lot of those women thereafter ended up in gulags.  He also had an Armenian sidekick, whose name escapes me currently.   However, after Stalin's death, this did not occur.  The party learned the lessons of the cult of personality.
Title: Re: Sex Tourism and Prostituiton
Post by: krimster2 on July 09, 2018, 12:58:53 PM
and here I was talking exclusively of the Stalin era

but the culture it engendered did not become extinguished...
it reignited again...



“However, the sex industry always results in human trafficking”

not in Amsterdam, they make too much money by obeying the law to risk the penalties of breaking the law, same with “pot”

this is all “deflection” “think of the children...”

acknowledge the demand exists, regulate and tax the supply
if Ukraine did what Amsterdam did instead of keeping the sex industry underground
there’d be less problems
instead Ukrainian girls now go to Amsterdam to work
I met several a few weeks ago, very pretty girls...

as far as my own (older)daughter goes, I hope I’ve steered her right and she’ll get some type of medical degree, she’s just turned 17 and has discovered that being tall, beautiful with blond hair and blue eyes makes her the center of all male attention
and that she might be able to use this ability to her advantage...
in another year she’ll be dating adult men
who I assume will be older than her
maybe even much older
she’ll be an adult then
so it’s her choice
I trust her enough to let her make her own decisions
that's what love is


Title: Re: Sex Tourism and Prostituiton
Post by: Boethius on July 09, 2018, 01:27:35 PM
You didn't read my links.  Holland is concluding that the legalization of prostitution was a mistake, as trafficking has increased.  Watch this and tell me everything is hunky dory in Holland. -


http://youtu.be/Ttb_wXVrsbs



So if your daughter decided to become a prostitute, would you be here bragging about it?  Suggesting posters increase her income?
Title: Re: Sex Tourism and Prostituiton
Post by: krimster2 on July 09, 2018, 03:06:12 PM
ahhh yes TV journalism, good source....

can only tell you what I saw in person
and to the Ukrainian girls I saw in person
who were quite happy to be "working" there
Title: Re: Sex Tourism and Prostituiton
Post by: DaveNY on July 09, 2018, 04:12:00 PM
and here I was talking exclusively of the Stalin era

but the culture it engendered did not become extinguished...
it reignited again...



“However, the sex industry always results in human trafficking”

not in Amsterdam, they make too much money by obeying the law to risk the penalties of breaking the law, same with “pot”

krimster I sometimes wonder if you've ever been out of the US. It is far cheaper to use trafficked women in the sex trade than to employ willing prostitutes even in places where the sex trade is legal. There's an almost endless source of trafficked women to use in the sex trade. Places such as Africa, Asia, the Middle East and for those blue eyed blondes that command the big money, the FSU. Not so with willing prostitutes.

Getting the same types of women to prostitute themselves willingly is far more expensive. Willing prostitutes want days off each week or month, they want a say in their work schedule. They want sick leave because they get sick or their family members get sick. They want vacation time because they don't want to work all the time. If they don't like the job they might simply quit at an inconvenient time. Willing, legal prostitutes are going to want benefits such as medical/dental and the big in demand earners might demand a bigger cut of the profits. Willing, legal prostitutes cost lots of money and greatly cut into profits. 

Using trafficked women means once you've paid for the women from those trafficking women most of the profits used in the sex trade belong to the people in the sex business. The trafficked women don't have a choice on when they work or for how long or get many days off or long vacations to travel the world or sell their talents to other employers.

True there's always the chance the bosses will be caught but the bosses seem to think those chances are remote and the money's too good to pass up.

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/amsterdam-red-light-district-failing-prostitution-sex-work-decriminalisation-doesnt-work-holland-a8206511.html
 
Title: Re: Sex Tourism and Prostituiton
Post by: BdHvA on July 09, 2018, 04:19:13 PM
BO, somehow Amsterdam seems to have a thriving sex industry without enslaving women

the women who work there do so by choice, a simple matter of economics
and EVERYONE benefits from this “system”



Krimster,

Sorry you are wrong, no one except criminals benefits from this 'system'. Either you are willfully ignorant or blind. The women in the tourist district are there because they are forced to be there. The government has closed down and reduced by about 50% of the red light windows but the remaining women are largely there by force. Yes there are some women present by free will but it is a very small percentage. I should note the women are far more likely to be from Central and South America than Eastern Europe.

There are other areas in Amsterdam and various cities where the manipulation of women is far greater, think 90%. Next to the Rijks Museum being one. If a Dutch woman wants to willingly trade sexual acts for money there more than enough escort platforms for this. Mostly there they are in control of there destiny.

If you had not spent your time with blinders on you could easily find organizations that attempt to help these women and they would inform you on there actual reality i.e. not some pretend virtual reality. You may protest but the church that I am a member of and is in fact the oldest English speaking church not part of the British Islands has two members who assist these women. We have heard on a first hand basis the women's working reality from them as well as welcomed some of the women to our service.

It would impress me far more if you went to a service at the English Reformed Church than played sex games on your visit to Amsterdam

Title: Re: Sex Tourism and Prostituiton
Post by: krimster2 on July 09, 2018, 05:03:52 PM
jesus... sounds like the ladies temperance society in here...

can only report what I have seen and heard with my own eyes and ears

I've personally encountered Russian hostesses in Tokyo
Russian strippers in Berlin
Ukrainian and Russian escorts in Amsterdam
Ukrainian escorts in Kyiv and Odessa

they would listen to your tales of trafficking and laugh at it and instead say they're not idiots who work a regular job for slave wages
or so I have been told over and over....

seriously, have you ever met or talked to any of them?
I have...
I learned a lot from them...
they're my source
and not some article from the Ladie's Home Journal from 1955 or thereabouts





 




Title: Re: Sex Tourism and Prostituiton
Post by: DaveNY on July 09, 2018, 05:40:19 PM
jesus... sounds like the ladies temperance society in here...

can only report what I have seen and heard with my own eyes and ears

I've personally encountered Russian hostesses in Tokyo
Russian strippers in Berlin
Ukrainian and Russian escorts in Amsterdam
Ukrainian escorts in Kyiv and Odessa

they would listen to your tales of trafficking and laugh at it and instead say they're not idiots who work a regular job for slave wages
or so I have been told over and over....

seriously, have you ever met or talked to any of them?
I have...
I learned a lot from them...
they're my source
and not some article from the Ladie's Home Journal from 1955 or thereabouts

Again krimster I find it hard to believe you've been out of the US.

Are there women who willingly become legal and illegal prostitutes? Yes. Is it likely that you would know the difference? Probably not. If these women don't perform they're beaten or worse. They're hooked on drugs. They can't leave their employers.

Their job literally is to please you. To get you to buy them drinks in bars or buy their time for an hour or two. They do that by being nice to you and talking to you. Telling you what you want to hear. These women are trained by other women on how to act and talk to get you to pay for their services. How to use a soft at times seductive voice. How to play with their hair. How to seduce you with their voice and actions.

When I got out of law school I worked for a firm that had several modeling firms as clients. Some of the models picked up extra money as prostitutes. They had the advantage of being beautiful to start. It wasn't difficult for them to persuade a man to pay them a few hundred dollars for an hour of pleasure. Most of these women had older women as mentors who taught them how to rope in the clients with their voice, looks, actions, etc.
Title: Re: Sex Tourism and Prostituiton
Post by: BdHvA on July 09, 2018, 06:00:42 PM
jesus... sounds like the ladies temperance society in here...

can only report what I have seen and heard with my own eyes and ears

I've personally encountered Russian hostesses in Tokyo
Russian strippers in Berlin
Ukrainian and Russian escorts in Amsterdam
Ukrainian escorts in Kyiv and Odessa

they would listen to your tales of trafficking and laugh at it and instead say they're not idiots who work a regular job for slave wages
or so I have been told over and over....

seriously, have you ever met or talked to any of them?
I have...
I learned a lot from them...
they're my source
and not some article from the Ladie's Home Journal from 1955 or thereabouts

Yes I have spoken in Amsterdam to women working in the skin trade. It is sad to hear there travails, rest assured it is not what they dreamed of.

It is not reassuring that you are the forum expert on this matter. What does your wife think, oh wait she already told 'you are an idiot.'
Title: Re: Sex Tourism and Prostituiton
Post by: Boethius on July 09, 2018, 06:08:06 PM
BO,
You have changed your original argument. We weren't talking sex tourism on the other thread.

Originally we were discussing the men that correspond with fsu marriage minded women. You used all kinds of anti western male propaganda to suggest the western men didn't have honorable intentions with the lady they corresponded with. I then countered that most men (all I knew could) had legitimate intentions, and weren't spending all the time, money and effort for cheap sex and then throw her away as you suggested was so common. 
  Now, your data and support seems to be about the pay for sex trade in Ukraine. The same economic conditions that allow western men to marry young, beautiful, well educated, well mannered, and cultured ladies also allows for women who want to sell themselves for the night. The PRIMARY goal for men seeking a fsu woman for marriage is to find the former and avoid the later.

I would argue that in the Orthodox Christian culture, many women avoided the temptation to enter the sex trade or avoided sexual abuse by their boss because they found a western man to marry. Western men marrying quality fsu women is part of the solution, not the problem.


The poster to whom you were responding didn't use all sorts of stereotypes.  Most rich men probably aren't looking on dating sites for a woman.  The overwhelming majority of middle aged WM have been married.


I was not, however, responding to her post.  I was responding to one line in your post.


I think you overplay the role of the Orthodox Church.  In the USSR, people didn't go to church.  Most people there could not tel you the names of the saints, their roles, or the very fundamental basics of Orthodoxy.  Over seven decades of Bolshevism wiped that out.


Are men from another culture the solution?  No.  The solution is for those countries to build their societies so that people want to stay there, marry, and have families.
Title: Re: Sex Tourism and Prostituiton
Post by: Boethius on July 09, 2018, 06:15:52 PM
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/amsterdam-red-light-district-failing-prostitution-sex-work-decriminalisation-doesnt-work-holland-a8206511.html (http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/amsterdam-red-light-district-failing-prostitution-sex-work-decriminalisation-doesnt-work-holland-a8206511.html)


The same link was posted above.


krimster, long ago, when I was a young associate working at a big law firm, I did work for one of the partner's biggest clients.  He was a nice enough guy - jovial, easy to work for, very business minded.  A few months after I'd successfully completed a big file for him, our firm had a huge client reception.  He came and had a bit too much to drink.  Fortunately, he was not a mean drunk, he was even more jovial when drunk.  But, in talking to me, he started putting his hands on me.  It wasn't anything I couldn't handle, but, given the relationship, I couldn't just tell him to get his greasy paws off me.  I had to smile, listen to his stupid drunken stories, and try to extricate myself as quickly and diplomatically as possible, with zero effect on his ego.  I could tell you dozens of stories like this from women I worked with.  Do you think a prostitute's story is really very different?   The only difference in her case is, if she is rude, or shows contempt, or a lack of enjoyment, she could leave badly beaten or, in the worst case scenario, dead. 


 
Title: Re: Sex Tourism and Prostituiton
Post by: krimster2 on July 09, 2018, 06:55:21 PM
“Are there women who willingly become legal and illegal prostitutes? Yes. Is it likely that you would know the difference? Probably not. If these women don't perform they're beaten or worse. They're hooked on drugs. They can't leave their employers. “

jesus, where do you get this from?
not know the difference?  really?
one Ukrainian working girl I met in Amsterdam was going to college by day to get a degree in economics, while working as a stripper/hostess at night
we had a great conversation about some of Milton Friedman’s books
she knew what she was talking about and wasn’t faking her background
she spoke excellent English and German and was learning Dutch
she could quit her job any time she wanted to
no one is beaten or coerced except by their desire to make money
she makes in a bad night what it would take her 2 months of hard work to earn in Ukraine
so she chooses to earn money this way
and doesn’t care what the “Lady’s Home Journal has to say” about it
but of course you guys know nothing about them or me
and just give us your old stuffy sermon filled with nothing but negative stereotypes
based on all the sunday school lessons you internalized
and is nothing but 100% of your own bias

you MAY disagree with what THEY told me
and to me, it doesn’t matter even one little tiny bit if you do...
I think they are able to describe their situation a lot better than you are able to
and you have absolutely not even the slightest clue about them
how they live, do they have boyfriends, do they send money to their parents
how they handle money, where they’ve traveled and all the other things I talked about with them
despite claiming you know all about it...you don’t...
what you’re an expert on is the dominant conformist view of your own repressed sexuality
that’s been around for centuries
ok...

BO, every man or woman who works a job has to put up with some kind of BS
someone put their hands on you?
try being a coal miner
try being a police officer
try picking fruits and vegetables 8 hours a day
or any of 100 other low paying jobs that suck and do it day after day year after year
and see how it compares to someone putting their hands on you
 

Title: Re: Sex Tourism and Prostituiton
Post by: DaveNY on July 09, 2018, 07:07:47 PM
“Are there women who willingly become legal and illegal prostitutes? Yes. Is it likely that you would know the difference? Probably not. If these women don't perform they're beaten or worse. They're hooked on drugs. They can't leave their employers. “

jesus, where do you get this from?
not know the difference?  really?
one Ukrainian working girl I met in Amsterdam was going to college by day to get a degree in economics, while working as a stripper/hostess at night
we had a great conversation about some of Milton Friedman’s books
she knew what she was talking about and wasn’t faking her background
she spoke excellent English and German and was learning Dutch
she could quit her job any time she wanted to
no one is beaten or coerced except by their desire to make money
she makes in a bad night what it would take her 2 months of hard work to earn in Ukraine
so she chooses to earn money this way
and doesn’t care what the “Lady’s Home Journal has to say” about it
but of course you guys know nothing about them or me
and just give us your old stuffy sermon filled with nothing but negative stereotypes
based on all the sunday school lessons you internalized
and is nothing but 100% of your own bias

you MAY disagree with what THEY told me
and to me, it doesn’t matter even one little tiny bit if you do...
I think they are able to describe their situation a lot better than you are able to
and you have absolutely not even the slightest clue about them
how they live, do they have boyfriends, do they send money to their parents
how they handle money, where they’ve traveled and all the other things I talked about with them
despite claiming you know all about it...you don’t...
what you’re an expert on is the dominant conformist view of your own repressed sexuality
that’s been around for centuries
ok...

BO, every man or woman who works a job has to put up with some kind of BS
someone put their hands on you?
try being a coal miner
try being a police officer
try picking fruits and vegetables 8 hours a day
or any of 100 other low paying jobs that suck and do it day after day year after year
and see how it compares to someone putting their hands on you

krimster are you that naive? They have a line to sell you their services. They say what they think you want to hear. That's their job.

Do you really think you, the krimster, know more about women and prostitution then the tens of thousands of people and organizations that have spent decades analyzing the subject?

If so you should write articles on the subject. Tell the world how you've talked to real prostitutes and know deep down in your heart the truth and all the tens of thousands of people and organizations are wrong and you're right because you know the truth.   
Title: Re: Sex Tourism and Prostituiton
Post by: Boethius on July 09, 2018, 07:16:28 PM
Quote
BO, every man or woman who works a job has to put up with some kind of BSsomeone put their hands on you?try being a coal minertry being a police officertry picking fruits and vegetables 8 hours a dayor any of 100 other low paying jobs that suck and do it day after day year after yearand see how it compares to someone putting their hands on you

The point was not that someone put his hands on me.  The point is that he, to this day, does not know that it was unwanted.  Just like the prostitutes you speak with.  They are not going to tell a potential client "Actually, I am disgusted at the thought of having some random guy put his hands on me." 


You still haven't answered whether you'd be proud if your daughters were Amsterdam window girls, or say, working at a ranch in Nevada, having sex with 10 or more men a day.
Title: Re: Sex Tourism and Prostituiton
Post by: BdHvA on July 09, 2018, 07:40:56 PM

jesus, where do you get this from?
not know the difference?  really?
one Ukrainian working girl I met in Amsterdam was going to college by day to get a degree in economics, while working as a stripper/hostess at night
we had a great conversation about some of Milton Friedman’s books
she knew what she was talking about and wasn’t faking her background
she spoke excellent English and German and was learning Dutch
she could quit her job any time she wanted to
no one is beaten or coerced except by their desire to make money
she makes in a bad night what it would take her 2 months of hard work to earn in Ukraine
so she chooses to earn money this way
and doesn’t care what the “Lady’s Home Journal has to say” about it
but of course you guys know nothing about them or me
and just give us your old stuffy sermon filled with nothing but negative stereotypes
based on all the sunday school lessons you internalized
and is nothing but 100% of your own bias

you MAY disagree with what THEY told me
and to me, it doesn’t matter even one little tiny bit if you do...
I think they are able to describe their situation a lot better than you are able to
and you have absolutely not even the slightest clue about them
how they live, do they have boyfriends, do they send money to their parents
how they handle money, where they’ve traveled and all the other things I talked about with them
despite claiming you know all about it...you don’t...
what you’re an expert on is the dominant conformist view of your own repressed sexuality
that’s been around for centuries
ok...

BO, every man or woman who works a job has to put up with some kind of BS
someone put their hands on you?
try being a coal miner
try being a police officer
try picking fruits and vegetables 8 hours a day
or any of 100 other low paying jobs that suck and do it day after day year after year
and see how it compares to someone putting their hands on you

It seems you are the forum expert on all things in the skin trade.

Unless things have changed in Amsterdam red light district in six months Krimster you are a lying sack of shit. For what it is worth M. Friedman is not that well known as an economist out side the United States, he though has a Ukraine connection.

What is troubling is your justification for a man to put there hands on some one, a female without there permission.

Please stop spouting bull shit
Title: Re: Sex Tourism and Prostituiton
Post by: krimster2 on July 09, 2018, 08:06:31 PM
I stayed 3 weeks on Leidsekruisstraat probably less than a km or so North from Rijksmuseum
laughed at the hilarious “Homo sapiens non urinat in ventum” sign not far from my apartment

have wife’s permission to head north to above Madame Taussauds
wasn’t satisfied with the window shopping was getting discouraged and tired
when I spotted an interpid looking pedicap driver
I hopped on his rickshaw - we exchanged pleasantries - and some cash
and I found myself at the front door of a non-descript gentleman’s club
where I met a lovely young Ukrainian girl 21 yr old
long brown hair
big lovely dark eyes
size DD

she spoke excellent English and German and Russian of course
she said she was originally from Lugansk but the war separated her family
she fled with her mother first to Zaparhozhia and then to Odessa and then to Amsterdam
but her father at first stayed behind and then moved to Russia and she lost touch with him
we really hit it off, and we decided to get an uber and go to a coffee shop and smoke some hash
I paid her 150 euro an hour and had a great time
and so did she
she was studying economics and lived in a teeny tiny apartment with two cats
we DID talk about Milton Friedman and neo-liberalism and how it led to the “shock doctrine”
I SWEAR TO GOD THAT’S WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT!

a beautiful, wholesome, all-natural “tom-boy” with pig-tails 21 yr old

I guess you haters are just gonna have to hate now aren’t ya

Title: Re: Sex Tourism and Prostituiton
Post by: BdHvA on July 09, 2018, 08:19:52 PM
Changing the goal posts. . . .

Your story is perhaps possible, but you have changed the reality from women working behind windows to those employed in/by a club. As I understand there is more protection and freedom for these women. It is possible that she studied M. Friedman in VU.

Curious what does your partner think of your antics & actions?
Title: Re: Sex Tourism and Prostituiton
Post by: krimster2 on July 09, 2018, 08:52:03 PM
yeah, the windows did NOT appeal to me at all!!!
even though I’ve been to Amsterdam before this was my first time in this “part of town”
was VERY disappointed until fate seemed to smile upon me and bestow her good fortune
in the form of the humble pedi-cab
so what goes on inside the windows is completely unknown to me personally, it all seemed “off” somehow

the gentleman’s club was a good experience
beautiful old wood and leather, the smell of old books and whiskey
avoiding eye contact
a digital terminal
select your companion
your activities
your time
put in your credit card and then press Enter
have a seat and your drink is delivered
and then she shows up
you can do ANYTHING you want, ANYTHING
stay in a room, go out, or go to her place
spend for an hour, spend for all night
if you buy for all night she’ll even freakin cook you breakfast
but don’t expect anything more than a simple “omelette” and some coffee


drugs?
she showed me how to do this new thing called “dabbing” at a coffeeshop with some stuff called shatter, for me, marijuana back when I was in college was called Columbian
but this stuff is super powerful compared to the marijuana I had in college
this stuff is like some kind of turbo-viagra as well

what does my wife think?
we’ve been married almost 19 yr
my wife has a much lower sex drive than mine
and in order to keep me from having an affair
allows me to “play" as long as I follow a lot of rules
we’ve raised two children together
and have been partners in business and real estate as well
we are both very happy with this arrangement
it works for us, but it works on honesty and trust
it's why I never have to cheat on my wife

Title: Re: Sex Tourism and Prostituiton
Post by: IvanM07 on July 09, 2018, 10:15:52 PM
drugs?
she showed me how to do this new thing called “dabbing” at a coffeeshop with some stuff called shatter, for me, marijuana back when I was in college was called Columbian
but this stuff is super powerful compared to the marijuana I had in college

You're showing your age here lol. I don't smoke anymore but did in College and remember this haha.
Title: Re: Sex Tourism and Prostituiton
Post by: krimster2 on July 09, 2018, 10:27:31 PM
surprised at how "sophisticated" everything was
and consumed in a very stylish way
part tea ceremony, part absinthe mixing with all its glassware
you can feel the THC creeping up your synapses

I will really miss Amsterdam


Title: Re: Sex Tourism and Prostituiton
Post by: BillyB on July 09, 2018, 10:29:16 PM
one Ukrainian working girl I met in Amsterdam was going to college by day to get a degree in economics, while working as a stripper/hostess at night


All the guys I know in construction and knew in the Army who frequented strip bars all met strippers who are trying to make money for college. It seems strippers all over the world, not just in Amsterdam, are interested in higher education. Could it be men tip more to girls pursuing admirable goals over girls who pursue drugs?
Title: Re: Sex Tourism and Prostituiton
Post by: msmob on July 09, 2018, 10:36:05 PM
All the guys I know in construction and knew in the Army who frequented strip bars all met strippers who are trying to make money for college. It seems strippers all over the world, not just in Amsterdam, are interested in higher education. Could it be men tip more to girls pursuing admirable goals over girls who pursue drugs?

One reason I never joined the Royal Navy , is I never could understand my fellow 'man's' need to think it appropriate to pay for sex with a totally unknown lady or feel the need to pay to watch a lady remove her clothes - acting..

It's not a sense of 'superiority' ... I just don't GET why fools and their money are so easily parted .. 

Title: Re: Sex Tourism and Prostituiton
Post by: Trenchcoat on July 10, 2018, 12:25:18 AM
The point was not that someone put his hands on me.  The point is that he, to this day, does not know that it was unwanted.  Just like the prostitutes you speak with.  They are not going to tell a potential client "Actually, I am disgusted at the thought of having some random guy put his hands on me." 

Oh Boe, don't you know that's why you got hired for the job in the first place ;D

It's the influence of western feminism here the 'don't put your hands on me' aggressive attitude.

In reality it is not really all that bad it's just feminist media provoked over sensitivity. It's not always easy to tell someone who is friendly to someone who is attracted, some women come across as very friendly so much so that they look like they are attracted but are not. When someone is drunk it is probably even harder to tell. These days of course if he did that the woman would know she could sue his rich arse for a lot more than her salary and still keep her job or sue their arse as well.

Thing is that the guy normally is expected to be the initiator it is expected by most women. So he has to take a chance or nothing happens, so it's easy to mistake signals when interacting with women, but if he doesn't initiate he does not get the women. That is why you are getting Incels in the west, it's getting too dodgy for men to initiate as they are now living in fear of the consequences. There is literally no other way for a man to initiate. He can ask a girl out first, risk a humiliating knock back in the west but during dating her he is going to have to risk initiating touching/kissing her or it all go south anyway. If she has done hang up about him doing this in the west today it could go badly for him. She may for example just thought she was asking her out as a friend or just agreed to it as he had good contacts etc, etc.

I think there's no way around the unwanted physical actions from others that if we try society gets worse as a result. That the traditional respond is best like they still have in the FSU that it's best to accept that it happens, not put too big a deal on it and move on. Making it out to be worse that what it really is just makes it worse than what it really is.

I've had people touch me that was unwanted/not asked for, not in the upmost inimate way but it still happens. It was not really all that bad though, a little strange but not worth making a fuss over. Incidentally those most likely to not report such incidences are men being touched unwantedly by women since it is regarded as unmanly to do so.
Title: Re: Sex Tourism and Prostituiton
Post by: John Gaunt on July 10, 2018, 02:54:48 AM
Oh Boe, don't you know that's why you got hired for the job in the first place ;D

It's the influence of western feminism here the 'don't put your hands on me' aggressive attitude.

In reality it is not really all that bad it's just feminist media provoked over sensitivity. It's not always easy to tell someone who is friendly to someone who is attracted, some women come across as very friendly so much so that they look like they are attracted but are not. When someone is drunk it is probably even harder to tell. These days of course if he did that the woman would know she could sue his rich arse for a lot more than her salary and still keep her job or sue their arse as well.

Thing is that the guy normally is expected to be the initiator it is expected by most women. So he has to take a chance or nothing happens, so it's easy to mistake signals when interacting with women, but if he doesn't initiate he does not get the women. That is why you are getting Incels in the west, it's getting too dodgy for men to initiate as they are now living in fear of the consequences. There is literally no other way for a man to initiate. He can ask a girl out first, risk a humiliating knock back in the west but during dating her he is going to have to risk initiating touching/kissing her or it all go south anyway. If she has done hang up about him doing this in the west today it could go badly for him. She may for example just thought she was asking her out as a friend or just agreed to it as he had good contacts etc, etc.

I think there's no way around the unwanted physical actions from others that if we try society gets worse as a result. That the traditional respond is best like they still have in the FSU that it's best to accept that it happens, not put too big a deal on it and move on. Making it out to be worse that what it really is just makes it worse than what it really is.

I've had people touch me that was unwanted/not asked for, not in the upmost inimate way but it still happens. It was not really all that bad though, a little strange but not worth making a fuss over. Incidentally those most likely to not report such incidences are men being touched unwantedly by women since it is regarded as unmanly to do so.
Your entire post just shows how non existent your knowledge is of normal human interaction and Male female dynamics.
It also demonstrates how skewed your moral compass is that you mistake sexual assault and aggression for normal dating interaction.
Trench, I worry about you. Did you have a normal childhood? Did you grow up in care?
The attitudes you display here are not normal for a man your age.
Title: Re: Sex Tourism and Prostituiton
Post by: Trenchcoat on July 10, 2018, 03:29:37 AM
Your entire post just shows how non existent your knowledge is of normal human interaction and Male female dynamics.
It also demonstrates how skewed your moral compass is that you mistake sexual assault and aggression for normal dating interaction.
Trench, I worry about you. Did you have a normal childhood? Did you grow up in care?
The attitudes you display here are not normal for a man your age.

There's a distinct difference between sexual aggression and sexual initiation. If the receipient rebuffs or walks away from the initiator then he or she should not persist if they did then that would be sexual aggression and totally wrong.

What I am saying is feminists wish to stop sexual initiation also and that is ridiculous, it is denying human beings from being human beings and turning the world into a cold unfeeling place, an inhuman place where human interaction is boring and sterile.
Title: Re: Sex Tourism and Prostituiton
Post by: John Gaunt on July 10, 2018, 05:01:00 AM
There's a distinct difference between sexual aggression and sexual initiation. If the receipient rebuffs or walks away from the initiator then he or she should not persist if they did then that would be sexual aggression and totally wrong.

What I am saying is feminists wish to stop sexual initiation also and that is ridiculous, it is denying human beings from being human beings and turning the world into a cold unfeeling place, an inhuman place where human interaction is boring and sterile.
Do you have any factual representation to support this assertion or is just another Trenchcoat fail because you have never been able to form normal relationships with women and label your own failures as some sort of feminist action?
 
Title: Re: Sex Tourism and Prostituiton
Post by: krimster2 on July 10, 2018, 05:23:54 AM
"All the guys I know in construction and knew in the Army who frequented strip bars all met strippers who are trying to make money for college. It seems strippers all over the world, not just in Amsterdam, are interested in higher education."

in view of the fact that more women are seeking higher education now than men,
I would be surprised if exotic dancers WERE NOT seeking higher education as well
same as other women in other professions
their young age also makes it more likely they go to school
the women I met were all exceptionally intelligent young women
I'd be surprised if they weren't pursuing an education

not all fit this pattern however,
have seen one who fit the stereotype
but the smart ones are the opposite of this
and know the lifespan of their career will be a couple of years at best
and they're planning on something "for after"

also, the women in a  Gentleman's club who charge 150/200 euros/hr
are not at all what like what you see in USA strip clubs
a level above
wish I could show you a picture
but that's a big "NO, NO"





Title: Re: Sex Tourism and Prostituiton
Post by: Boethius on July 10, 2018, 10:05:41 AM
Your entire post just shows how non existent your knowledge is of normal human interaction and Male female dynamics.
It also demonstrates how skewed your moral compass is that you mistake sexual assault and aggression for normal dating interaction.
Trench, I worry about you. Did you have a normal childhood? Did you grow up in care?
The attitudes you display here are not normal for a man your age.


Exactly.  Not only that, but I was married, with a wedding band as my sole piece of jewelry.
Title: Re: Sex Tourism and Prostitution
Post by: Bee Farmer on July 10, 2018, 11:06:07 AM
Quote
There's a distinct difference between sexual aggression and sexual initiation. If the receipient rebuffs or walks away from the initiator then he or she should not persist if they did then that would be sexual aggression and totally wrong.

Trench, I don't think you understand the difference between sexual initiation and sexual aggression.

Number one, alcohol lowers inhibitions, and the guy was making advances while intoxicated that he likely would not have made while sober.  Simply because he was drunk does not excuse his behavior.

ANY physical advance towards someone else's wife is sexual aggression.
Putting your hands on a girl that you have not asked out is sexual aggression.
Walking up to a girl and grabbing her by the p*ssy is sexual aggression.
Being drunk and getting all handsy with girls is sexual aggression.

When a girl agrees to go on a date with you, she accepts that at some time you will initiate sex or make an advance.
After you are dating, it is ok to give her a kiss.
After you are dating, it is ok to put your hands on her.
After you are dating, it is ok to initiate sex.
If the girl isn't ready and tries to stop you...if you continue that is sexual aggression.

You would be well served to learn the difference between appropriate and inappropriate advances towards girls.

I'll give you a general rule of thumb to follow.  If a girl likes you, she will touch you, even if it is light brushing touches.  If a girl likes you, she will lean towards you when you are talking.  These are some of her "go ahead" signals. 
If a girl does not lean forward towards you when talking, and has not touched you, do not make any advances towards her.  She's not ready or comfortable taking things to a more physical level yet.
Title: Re: Sex Tourism and Prostituiton
Post by: jone on July 10, 2018, 11:53:17 AM
Hey.  I'm getting turned on by all this talk of touching.  Of prostitutes.  Of going off somewhere to smoke drugs.  Of Boe talking about being unwantedly touched.  Of instigating sexual advance and sexual aggression.  Can't wait for the next installment.  What will it be?  Krimster telling about his three-somes in Amsterdam?  Trench telling about touching and kissing.  (There's a visual!)  Bee Farmer hooking up with a virgin?

This Forum is something else!
Title: Re: Sex Tourism and Prostituiton
Post by: krimster2 on July 10, 2018, 12:11:53 PM
pity you have nothing to add Jone,
product of a boring life?
do you have no tales to tell
for the simple reason
there are none to tell...
Title: Re: Sex Tourism and Prostituiton
Post by: jone on July 10, 2018, 12:16:38 PM
No tales and no tails.
Title: Re: Sex Tourism and Prostituiton
Post by: Trenchcoat on July 10, 2018, 12:28:28 PM
Then guys what about this little maneuver ;D

http://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/uk.news.yahoo.com/amphtml/2014-video-louis-walsh-groping-mel-b-live-air-resurfaced-160057318.html
Title: Re: Sex Tourism and Prostituiton
Post by: krimster2 on July 10, 2018, 01:24:51 PM
OK BO,

you don’t have to be a mathematician to be able to put 2 + 2 together and arrive at the correct sum

no jewelry, plus ran away from home at age 18 and married the first man you slept with

shall I deconstruct?

lonely girl on wind swept prairie with a population density of 4 goofy farm boys per square mile, combined with one of the worst cases of hormonal teenage acne nature has ever seen which went away right before you left for the Soviet Union when you were just 18 yr old

was the first time an older man ever showed interest in you
and you found yourself desperately wanting his attention

and he looked at you and saw an adorably awkward gangly creature
to him you were the ugly duckling that he hoped would become a swan
and he could tell how much you wanted his attention
so of course he would give it to you
an 18 yr old girl
so young and innocent
like a tasty peach

and of course you consider me the PERVERT
I give your husband major respect
you de man
a Soviet man with an 18 yr old Canadian girl
I coulda double dated with you and BO
and brought my 21 yr old Ukrainian escort
and YOU SIR would've had the younger "woman"

and put that article in your "Ladies Home Journal" December 1959 issue.

yes, it's time once again for Ukrainian Prank Phone Call!!!

zrrrrrrrrrrppppp, zrrrrrrrrrrppppp, zrrrrrrrrrrppppp
Hello?
Is your refrigerator running?
wait a second let me check...
yes it!
really, you're the first person today who said that to me
you are very fortunate
click
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.....


Title: Re: Sex Tourism and Prostituiton
Post by: pitbull on July 10, 2018, 01:48:15 PM

what does my wife think?
we’ve been married almost 19 yr
my wife has a much lower sex drive than mine
and in order to keep me from having an affair
allows me to “play" as long as I follow a lot of rules



высокие отношения!  ::)
Title: Re: Sex Tourism and Prostituiton
Post by: krimster2 on July 10, 2018, 02:07:30 PM
like a sovietska knows anything, anything at all about sex
other than what you read about or see in a movie
personal experience, not very much

the central committee allowed you what 2-3 different approved sexual practices
and everything else is considered deviant and criminal?

so suddenly you're now the great expert?
how did that happen?
I'm hoping you will explain your qualifications
level of experience, etc
to be such an expert

Title: Re: Sex Tourism and Prostituiton
Post by: pitbull on July 10, 2018, 02:25:22 PM
like a sovietska knows anything, anything at all about sex
other than what you read about or see in a movie
personal experience, not very much

the central committee allowed you what 2-3 different approved sexual practices
and everything else is considered deviant and criminal?

so suddenly you're now the great expert?
how did that happen?
I'm hoping you will explain your qualifications
level of experience, etc
to be such an expert


Just feel for your wife  :'(
Title: Re: Sex Tourism and Prostituiton
Post by: Boethius on July 10, 2018, 02:33:47 PM
1.  I wasn't lonely.  I have never been lonely.  Nor have I ever been bored.  Just the way my mind works.

2.  I didn't "run away".  I finished high school at an early age, and had the opportunity to study in Kyiv.

3.  I have never worn a lot of jewelry.  I wear the odd set of pearls, or a gold necklace, but I am not a flashy person, never have been.

4.  I was never gangly.  Not even as a child.

5.  My husband is not an "older" man.  He is close to my age.

6.  I was not seeking attention.  Nor is my husband the type to give attention.  He is a very closed person, because his society made him that way.  If you tell him something, it will die with him.

7.  I was never ugly.  I was never beautiful, beauty is rare, plus I am not tall.  But I was very attractive.  However, it was more my demeanour - my calmness, and in particular, my intellect, that was attractive to my husband.  None of the girls he knew were exactly brain scientists.  I was an intellectual match.

8.  Never said I was 18. :)
Title: Re: Sex Tourism and Prostituiton
Post by: ML on July 10, 2018, 02:36:04 PM
Then guys what about this little maneuver ;D

http://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/uk.news.yahoo.com/amphtml/2014-video-louis-walsh-groping-mel-b-live-air-resurfaced-160057318.html

That was not an a$$ grab.
His hand was on her hip.
Title: Re: Sex Tourism and Prostituiton
Post by: krimster2 on July 10, 2018, 02:39:49 PM
"Just feel for your wife "

later tonight I will!
and then we'll see what comes up!

hey you make a pretty good "side-kick" for a comedy duo
how thick is your accent by the way?
still speak Russian when you get mad?

Title: Re: Sex Tourism and Prostituiton
Post by: pitbull on July 10, 2018, 02:41:35 PM
"Just feel for your wife "

later tonight I will!
and then we'll see what comes up!

hey you make a pretty good "side-kick" for a comedy duo
how thick is your accent by the way?
still speak Russian when you get mad?


Well I hope she does STD testing every time you return from your travels. Poor thing  :-[
Title: Re: Sex Tourism and Prostituiton
Post by: krimster2 on July 10, 2018, 02:48:23 PM
"Well I hope she does STD testing every time you return from your travels."

apparently Sovietski  have never heard about "safe sex" and have no idea the practical benefits it provides
what a dark mentality



"Poor thing"
if you are referring to my chaffed member
it's mostly healed now
and I can walk without the bowl legged gait
I had up until about a week ago
your concern is well appreciated
it's already starting to feel even better
thanks to your noticing


Title: Re: Sex Tourism and Prostituiton
Post by: krimster2 on July 10, 2018, 02:55:28 PM
I think I would almost be willing to be tied up naked and then be punished by Bo and Pitbull for my svinya kultura
almost....

I mean I think they would threaten to do a lot of "bad things" to me
but when they make these threats against me
I think I would kind of enjoy it...

not that that would be weird or anything
Title: Re: Sex Tourism and Prostituiton
Post by: pitbull on July 10, 2018, 02:55:45 PM
"Well I hope she does STD testing every time you return from your travels."

apparently Sovietski  have never heard about "safe sex" and have no idea the practical benefits it provides
what a dark mentality



"Poor thing"
if you are referring to my chaffed member
it's mostly healed now
and I can walk without the bowl legged gait
I had up until about a week ago
your concern is well appreciated
it's already starting to feel even better
thanks to your noticing


 :TMI: I think your wife is extremely unhappy. In some cases you can take a girl out of Soviet Union but you cannot take Soviet Union out of her. Some Soviet women have no self respect and no amount of time in the West can change that  :(
Title: Re: Sex Tourism and Prostituiton
Post by: krimster2 on July 10, 2018, 03:04:49 PM
my wife, is a human being, who controls her own happiness
and we have a relationship based on a foundation of honesty and trust
my wife and I never argue or get upset with each other
a very low friction relationship
and we are exact opposites on almost everything
which is why we complement each other so darned well

not everyone should have to live one way with just one description of that way
if people choose to be free by simply making their own choices - they can!
my wife and I have done so and since we live the way WE choose, we're just happier
than living someone else's way

but you're a Sovietska, and personal freedom isn't something you can relate to very well

Title: Re: Sex Tourism and Prostituiton
Post by: pitbull on July 10, 2018, 03:10:41 PM
my wife, is a human being, who controls her own happiness
and we have a relationship based on a foundation of honesty and trust
my wife and I never argue or get upset with each other
a very low friction relationship
and we are exact opposites on almost everything
which is why we complement each other so darned well

not everyone should have to live one way with just one description of that way
if people choose to be free by simply making their own choices - they can!
my wife and I have done so and since we live the way WE choose, we're just happier
than living someone else's way

but you're a Sovietska, and personal freedom isn't something you can relate to very well


Your Sovetska wife is very deeply unhappy, she just puts up with your behavior as she doesn't have a choice. This is a very sad Soviet woman thing where many put up with cheating husbands since they depend on them. Your wife is not free - she has no choice. Sad. 
Title: Re: Sex Tourism and Prostituiton
Post by: krimster2 on July 10, 2018, 03:25:16 PM
" Your wife is not free - she has no choice. Sad.  "

you're projecting again, my wife is as free as I am
we choose to do EXACTLY what we are doing
and we are BOTH happy!
how is that hard to understand?
that someone else just wants to live a different life than yours


Title: Re: Sex Tourism and Prostitution
Post by: Bee Farmer on July 10, 2018, 04:32:11 PM
Quote
OK BO,

you don’t have to be a mathematician to be able to put 2 + 2 together and arrive at the correct sum

no jewelry, plus ran away from home at age 18 and married the first man you slept with

If what you say is true, then you have just described the fairytale/ideal relationship few people find.

We should all aspire to such a marriage.

Quote
what does my wife think?
we’ve been married almost 19 yr
my wife has a much lower sex drive than mine
and in order to keep me from having an affair
allows me to “play" as long as I follow a lot of rules

You do realize that there is a direct correlation between how much a man makes a woman feel loved, cherished, and appreciated, and her sex drive matching his?

If a woman's sex drive is not match her husband's, it is sign that something is wrong.  Either he is not making her feel special, or the other option is she has unresolved issues of abuse in her past and intimacy gives her flashbacks so she avoids intimacy.  Resolve those 2 issues, and a wife's sex drive should match her husband's.

I have known people with "open" relationships before.  Typically, they are trying to avoid divorce, or the costs of divorce.  The open relationships end up being very destructive to feelings, and someone (or both) end up hurt badly.  For some people, and open relationship is easier than fixing their problems.
Title: Re: Sex Tourism and Prostituiton
Post by: krimster2 on July 10, 2018, 04:51:59 PM
completely untrue about couples being matched
women have extremely complex hormonal cycles
that you have to be compatible with
that changes as they get older
i am still just as horny as a billy-goat with two peckers
but my wife changes based on her hormonal cycle

she and I have worked out a system where as long as I follow a long list of rules
among them being that I never see the same person more than once or have any kind of contact with them
that I can spend a total of up to 2000 euros + travel
for 2000 euros in Odessa I could have an escort and apartment for a whole week
maybe next year...


Title: Re: Sex Tourism and Prostitution
Post by: pitbull on July 10, 2018, 04:55:32 PM


I have known people with "open" relationships before.  Typically, they are trying to avoid divorce, or the costs of divorce.  The open relationships end up being very destructive to feelings, and someone (or both) end up hurt badly.  For some people, and open relationship is easier than fixing their problems.
Agreed. In such relationships, one person is forced to comply with the other's desire to sleep around, for a host of reasons. All of them hurtful and destructive though :(
Title: Re: Sex Tourism and Prostituiton
Post by: krimster2 on July 10, 2018, 05:17:45 PM
how could a relationship
where neither party ever raises their voice in anger to the other
ever be hurtful

where each person has the freedom to choose their own happiness
with the faith and trust of their partner
ever be hurtful

you look but you do not see
hear, but you never listen

you have conformed to conformity
and I have instead chosen
to rebel against it

I still say, that if you're wealthy
you can go "your own way" in Ukraine
and setup a business there
maybe even a real one that can make actual money!
and hire the most beautiful secretary you can
at 4X regular salary + benefits, bonus, etc
you might even be able to make the business pay for itself
I'd choose Real Estate as the business field to look into!!
something like a recent linguistics graduate 22 yr old w/ excellent English
although absolutely the easiest to seduce are the 18 yr olds
in their first summer after graduation
and they have a bewildered no-clue look
I have given these 18 yr olds
Macy's Makeup/EyeShadow Kits
and they have literally had emotional meltdowns
over even something like this!!!

if she accepts the Makeup/EyeShadow Kit (which she will)
then you offer to fly her to Istanbul
and stay in a 5 star hotel
while she shops for high end clothes
and you buy her a completely new wardrobe
and that's her first day on the job
as your secretary/translator







Title: Re: Sex Tourism and Prostituiton
Post by: Olchik on July 10, 2018, 06:31:15 PM
Krimster, first of all, as person who knows pretty much about makeup, I'm interested which kind of makeup would you buy in Macy's store? If that eyeshadows or foundation costs less than 50 dollars, it's stuff only village girl with zero money can appreciate. I know about Ulta, Sephora, Ofra, but Macy's....what the heck is it? Can you afford at least middle level brands like Too Faced, Tarte, etc.? What about Chanel, YSL, Tom Ford, Mark Jacobs, Drunk Elephant skincare?
 Second, trips to Turkey are cheap AF. Almost everyone was there. Turkey is symbol of no taste and disgraceful vacations, so please..... Even if someone will pay me I'll not go to freakin Turkey. Well, if you can afford only drugstore makeup and vacations in Turkey, your income is pretty low, local easily can afford same.
High end clothes in Turkey? Are you kidding? Every market in Ukraine is full of this "high end" crap.
Man, your posts look like wet fantasies and nothing else.
Title: Re: Sex Tourism and Prostituiton
Post by: krimster2 on July 10, 2018, 06:47:47 PM
"Krimster, first of all, as person who knows pretty much about makeup, I'm interested which kind of makeup would you buy in Macy's store? "

I know zero about makeup
I was just walking through Macy's makeup dept looking for presents
saw the makeup kits arranged to catch attention
they had great picture appeal
so I bought a lot of them, they were under $100 each
and the 18 yr olds loved them
and really went crazy over them
and yes they were village girls who never left the village
these are the best kind
and they are in great physical condition
because they have to do so much physical labor
to live in the village
no car they walk everywhere
slender perfectly toned legs and thighs

if I took a girl like this and got her a shenghen visa
and took her to Amsterdam
I would expect that if I ever needed a kidney transplant
she would give me one of hers
without my even asking



Title: Re: Sex Tourism and Prostituiton
Post by: Boethius on July 10, 2018, 07:02:45 PM
Krimster, first of all, as person who knows pretty much about makeup, I'm interested which kind of makeup would you buy in Macy's store? If that eyeshadows or foundation costs less than 50 dollars, it's stuff only village girl with zero money can appreciate. I know about Ulta, Sephora, Ofra, but Macy's....what the heck is it? Can you afford at least middle level brands like Too Faced, Tarte, etc.? What about Chanel, YSL, Tom Ford, Mark Jacobs, Drunk Elephant skincare?
 Second, trips to Turkey are cheap AF. Almost everyone was there. Turkey is symbol of no taste and disgraceful vacations, so please..... Even if someone will pay me I'll not go to freakin Turkey. Well, if you can afford only drugstore makeup and vacations in Turkey, your income is pretty low, local easily can afford same.
High end clothes in Turkey? Are you kidding? Every market in Ukraine is full of this "high end" crap.
Man, your posts look like wet fantasies and nothing else.

Macy’s is a US department store and has mid level to higher priced cosmetics.

Don’t assume high cost equals better quality in the cosmetics world. Or with many brands, Louis Vuitton bags being the most obvious example.
Title: Re: Sex Tourism and Prostituiton
Post by: jone on July 10, 2018, 07:06:34 PM
Macy’s is a US department store and has mid level to higher priced cosmetics.

Don’t assume high cost equals better quality in the cosmetics world. Or with many brands, Louis Vuitton bags being the most obvious example.

Olchik,

One of the first times Boe and I actually agree on a post.  Macy's is a department store, but has a huge stockpile of makeup and makeup artists similar to a high-end Sephora.  What is with the FSU obsession with Tom Ford, anyway?
Title: Re: Sex Tourism and Prostituiton
Post by: krimster2 on July 10, 2018, 08:33:30 PM
I think the smartest son-of-a-bitch I have ever met in my life
was the owner of the gentleman’s club I visited in Amsterdam
based on his price list and the number of customers I saw
and the HUGE range of services with quickly escalating prices as they got more "specialized"
I did a quick mental calculation of maybe $4 million gross each year
plus skim a few hundred thousand euros in cash every yr
in addition the 30 or so women you are 60/40 partners have to agree
to a monthly 1 hour evaluation by you
and their performance determines their monthly bonus
so part of your business responsibilities are to sleep with 30 or so women each month
all for free and plus they make you hundreds of thousands of euros each month
this guy is a freaking genius is he not?
Title: Re: Sex Tourism and Prostituiton
Post by: Bee Farmer on July 10, 2018, 08:36:29 PM
Quote
how could a relationship
where neither party ever raises their voice in anger to the other
ever be hurtful

where each person has the freedom to choose their own happiness
with the faith and trust of their partner
ever be hurtful

you look but you do not see
hear, but you never listen

Those who have ears, let them hear.  Those who have eyes, let them see.

The opposite of love is not hate.  It is indifference.
When you have a relationship where neither party ever raises their voice in anger to the other, you do not have a relationship because there is no love.  There is only indifference.

The hurt has already happened, but you are too blind to realize it.
You treat your wife as though she is a possession you purchased, and not too hearts that have become one.
A person who treats their wife as though she is chattel property does not love his wife, which is why he treats her with indifference.  He is selfish, and cares only about himself.

A marriage involves sacrifice, and involves putting your partner's needs ahead of your own.

At best, what you have described is a business arrangement.

You say that each is pursuing your own happiness with the faith and trust of your partner.  You are foolish if you believe your wife has faith and trust in you.  (She would not have the long list of rules for you if she had faith in you and trusted you.)

Just out of curiosity, what does your wife get in exchange for your 2000 euro escapades with hookers?  Does she spend 200 euros on poolboys and boytoys?

I know a guy in his 70's who earns about a million dollars a year in residual income from his oil wells.  He says he would divorce his wife, but he can't afford it.  He still works the oil wells, and drives a 4X4 truck and wears jeans and a t-shirt.  He chases every skirt he can.  His wife is still a very attractive lady.  She dresses to the nines always, with tons of jewelry.  She looks like a million dollars.  They have an open relationship.  A few years ago, the guy ended up with egg on his face when everyone found out that one of his scruffy bearded Joe 6-pack regular employees was having an affair with his wife.  How would it make you feel if your wife was more interested in screwing some scrubby looking regular joe rather than sleeping with you?

Quote
completely untrue about couples being matched
women have extremely complex hormonal cycles
that you have to be compatible with
that changes as they get older
i am still just as horny as a billy-goat with two peckers
but my wife changes based on her hormonal cycle

And you believe that story about it just being hormones?  Oooookkkkk.   ::)  If that's what you want to believe...
I guess you're not familiar with hormones like oxytocin and dopamine...
Title: Re: Sex Tourism and Prostituiton
Post by: rwd123 on July 10, 2018, 08:48:18 PM
imagine what it was like being a factory manager with mostly female employees in Stalinist Soviet times - jeeeeeeeezzzzzus it was a literal harem for them
Gorod Zero is a satirical film on Soviet society. Funnily enough the secretary in the local plant was a hot young woman - and completely naked!

Some hilarious moments in the film, I do recommend.
Title: Re: Sex Tourism and Prostituiton
Post by: krimster2 on July 10, 2018, 09:02:50 PM
“he opposite of love is not hate.  It is indifference.”

how do you spend nearly 19 year sleeping next to the same person and be indifferent to them?
when you held her hand during the delivery of your 2 children and be indifferent to them?

to some women your sexual loyalty is less important than your family and financial condition.
and are willing to give alpha males a little freedom because it makes them easier to manage
if you give them a little freedom instead of no freedom
because if you completely take away an alpha male’s freedom
100% he will come and take it back

so there are many codicals in this peace treaty between us
part of which includes financial support of her family
and as long as I follow the rules of not more than once with a particular girl
and no further contact
I get to look at girls like Anastayasya,
tall, not a milligram of fat on her perfectly tanned flawless body
with those big wide eyes of hers
standing naked next to her open bedroom window
early in the morning

In regards to my wife’s sexual relations
I am able to completely satisfy that
however, I am at my wife’s frequency
not able to satisfy my own
in the old days, my wife would’ve have gotten me a slave concubine
and everyone would’ve been just happy
I miss the good ole days sometimes

Title: Re: Sex Tourism and Prostituiton
Post by: pitbull on July 10, 2018, 09:22:41 PM
“he opposite of love is not hate.  It is indifference.”

how do you spend nearly 19 year sleeping next to the same person and be indifferent to them?
when you held her hand during the delivery of your 2 children and be indifferent to them?

to some women your sexual loyalty is less important than your family and financial condition.
and are willing to give alpha males a little freedom because it makes them easier to manage
if you give them a little freedom instead of no freedom
because if you completely take away an alpha male’s freedom
100% he will come and take it back

so there are many codicals in this peace treaty between us
part of which includes financial support of her family
and as long as I follow the rules of not more than once with a particular girl
and no further contact
I get to look at girls like Anastayasya,
tall, not a milligram of fat on her perfectly tanned flawless body
with those big wide eyes of hers
standing naked next to her open bedroom window
early in the morning

In regards to my wife’s sexual relations
I am able to completely satisfy that
however, I am at my wife’s frequency
not able to satisfy my own
in the old days, my wife would’ve have gotten me a slave concubine
and everyone would’ve been just happy
I miss the good ole days sometimes

There is no such thing as safe sex with hookers especially in Ukraine. Your wife is stupid to have physical contact with you - it is like eating from a garbage bin. Это же надо так любить деньги! ;)
Title: Re: Sex Tourism and Prostitution
Post by: ML on July 10, 2018, 09:29:48 PM
Either he is not making her feel special, or the other option is she has unresolved issues of abuse in her past and intimacy gives her flashbacks so she avoids intimacy.  Resolve those 2 issues, and a wife's sex drive should match her husband's.

Totally false.
For any two persons their sex drives may not match even when everything is perfect in their current lives and was perfect in their earlier lives.

There is a scale from left to right of low sex drive on left to high sex drive on the right.
Typically the man's is to the right of most women, but not always when there is a match up of low male sex drive with high female sex drive.

The most comfortable relationships are when the gap is not too large.
Much anguish, incompatibility and divorce could be avoided if there existed a good measure of sex drive that could be developed for all persons so that total mismatches could be avoided.

One stumbling block to this is fact that sex drive and even interest in sex can change dramatically over time.  Yes, we all know the typical situation where the sex drive generally decreases for most all over time; but I have encountered unusual situations where the woman's interest and capability in sex dramatically increases rather quickly.  So these women would have earlier been matched up with low drive men, and then experienced severe mismatching later.

And more complications . . .
Even where the two partners are well matched in terms of sex drive . . . they could experience incompatibilities with respect to what types of sexual encounters each will accept.
Title: Re: Sex Tourism and Prostituiton
Post by: krimster2 on July 10, 2018, 09:47:11 PM
pitbull, pitbull, what a garbage mouth you have
it's so uncultured of you

the fact you think there is no such thing as safe sex
or that women are somehow made unclean by sex
is something from the dark ages

next you'll be wearing a pointed hat
and stirring things in a large black pot
watch out my pretties

Title: Re: Sex Tourism and Prostituiton
Post by: pitbull on July 10, 2018, 10:09:44 PM
pitbull, pitbull, what a garbage mouth you have
it's so uncultured of you

the fact you think there is no such thing as safe sex
or that women are somehow made unclean by sex
is something from the dark ages

next you'll be wearing a pointed hat
and stirring things in a large black pot
watch out my pretties

Nope sweetie - it is a husband who sticks his you know what into hookers on a regular basis and then into his own wife - this is what makes her unclean. Please tell me she is at least smart enough to refuse to have unprotected sex with you!  I think you are in for a big surprise in not so distant future;)
Title: Re: Sex Tourism and Prostituiton
Post by: krimster2 on July 10, 2018, 10:30:17 PM
once again, the basic facts disagree with you
and you show your ignorance over and over
proving you know
absolutely nothing

Title: Re: Sex Tourism and Prostituiton
Post by: pitbull on July 10, 2018, 10:31:42 PM
once again, the basic facts disagree with you
and you show your ignorance over and over
proving you know
absolutely nothing


The basic human nature agrees with me alright honey  ;D


Medical facts too
Title: Re: Sex Tourism and Prostituiton
Post by: krimster2 on July 10, 2018, 10:38:50 PM
you may not be aware that in some schools
children as young as 13 learn about practices about safe sex
somehow this knowledge has eluded you
your comments make it clear
that the average "dumb as a rock" American teenager
knows a hell of a lot more about safe sex
than all the old wives tales you memorized
in the soviet union

pleas spare me your sovietska kultura
Title: Re: Sex Tourism and Prostituiton
Post by: pitbull on July 10, 2018, 10:46:39 PM
you may not be aware that in some schools
children as young as 13 learn about practices about safe sex
somehow this knowledge has eluded you
your comments make it clear
that the average "dumb as a rock" American teenager
knows a hell of a lot more about safe sex
than all the old wives tales you memorized
in the soviet union

pleas spare me your sovietska kultura

No safe sex with hookers dummy. Jeez, old goats holding onto the last remaining days of sex ability would deny facts at any cost!
Title: Re: Sex Tourism and Prostituiton
Post by: Boethius on July 10, 2018, 10:47:36 PM
Some STI’s can be transmitted even with safe sex. Unless you’re using a condom over your whole body, so there’s no skin to skin contact.
Title: Re: Sex Tourism and Prostituiton
Post by: BillyB on July 10, 2018, 11:00:07 PM

Practice safe eating. Always use condiments.
Title: Re: Sex Tourism and Prostituiton
Post by: krimster2 on July 10, 2018, 11:20:49 PM
you really should read sex-ed 101 before you make comments that just embarrass yourselves
next you will tell us masturbation causes blindness
Trench has perfect 20/20 vision
so this fairy tale is a lie as well
Title: Re: Sex Tourism and Prostituiton
Post by: Boethius on July 10, 2018, 11:26:34 PM
What I posted is a fact, not a fairy tale.


http://www.cdc.gov/condomeffectiveness/brief.html
Title: Re: Sex Tourism and Prostituiton
Post by: Trenchcoat on July 10, 2018, 11:32:01 PM
you may not be aware that in some schools
children as young as 13 learn about practices about safe sex
somehow this knowledge has eluded you
your comments make it clear
that the average "dumb as a rock" American teenager
knows a hell of a lot more about safe sex
than all the old wives tales you memorized
in the soviet union

pleas spare me your sovietska kultura

That's why I think peer to peer sex and relationships should be encouraged at a young age. If people can enjoy it all to the max while they are young and free from STI's from others of the same young age then less chance they will have any need to get it on with risky partners when they are older that have been around a bit too much.

Practical sessions and even homework could be set where they pair off with someone they are hot on and get to it :D They could then write up a report on the experience for submission.

Now when I was at school relationships were seen as not acceptable by the school, particularly any kissing, never mind anything else. I think though that this attitude was particularly ignorant and did everyone a great disservice in terms of putting off sex at an age when it's most safees in terms of avoiding STI's. Condom use of course as ever would need to be promoted. Again this could have been made into another practical session with the girls slipping one on the boys, once they got them hard of course. So a bit of gentle touching from the girls being needed there I think ;D Would help to get pupils in the routine for safe sex condom use.
Title: Re: Sex Tourism and Prostituiton
Post by: Boethius on July 11, 2018, 01:12:20 AM
That's why I think peer to peer sex and relationships should be encouraged at a young age.


Yes, what could go wrong?  Let's set up sex rooms in elementary schools.
Title: Re: Sex Tourism and Prostituiton
Post by: John Gaunt on July 11, 2018, 01:46:06 AM
That's why I think peer to peer sex and relationships should be encouraged at a young age. If people can enjoy it all to the max while they are young and free from STI's from others of the same young age then less chance they will have any need to get it on with risky partners when they are older that have been around a bit too much.

Practical sessions and even homework could be set where they pair off with someone they are hot on and get to it :D They could then write up a report on the experience for submission.

Now when I was at school relationships were seen as not acceptable by the school, particularly any kissing, never mind anything else. I think though that this attitude was particularly ignorant and did everyone a great disservice in terms of putting off sex at an age when it's most safees in terms of avoiding STI's. Condom use of course as ever would need to be promoted. Again this could have been made into another practical session with the girls slipping one on the boys, once they got them hard of course. So a bit of gentle touching from the girls being needed there I think ;D Would help to get pupils in the routine for safe sex condom use.
Trench,
You really have issues. The masks slipped a bit and what’s underneath isn’t pretty.
Title: Re: Sex Tourism and Prostituiton
Post by: Olchik on July 11, 2018, 03:12:35 AM
Krimster, yes, its very well seen you dont know nothing not only about makeup, but also in current situation in Ukraine. In any case, Masy's isn't even near to level of Sephora popularity. If you lived for a small time somewhere in Ukraine in 90-th, it doesn't make you expert in Ukraine. If you have conversations and run only about whores, it doesnt give you right talk about all ukrainian women as gold diggers who will sleep with random foreigner for cosmetics or trip to Turkey.
 Sure village stupido who got fired from university, doesnt have chance to get job in own place easier will get hooker. And,please, dont say nothing about hard working village girls. Right after finishing school they go to city and their goal is to stay here. The dirtiest, trashiest and most uncivilized people I ever met were from villages.
If things you're telling  are truth, there are 2 options:
1. Your wife doesnt care who you are and what you are doing
2. She is lazy person who didnt work a day and for whom independent life is impossible.
Anyway, if your dear wifey one day get STD from you, no reason to be sorry. We all get what deserve.
Title: Re: Sex Tourism and Prostituiton
Post by: Boethius on July 11, 2018, 03:40:39 AM
Quote
In any case, Masy's isn't even near to level of Sephora popularity.


In the US, Macy's has 8 times the revenue Sephora does, although Macy's revenue is based on all products - clothing, shoes, handbags, etc. 
Title: Re: Sex Tourism and Prostituiton
Post by: Olchik on July 11, 2018, 03:49:56 AM
Yeah, but it's not specialized just in makeup/skin care. Anyway, first time I heard about Macy's here. Never heard someone to hype about it.
Title: Re: Sex Tourism and Prostituiton
Post by: Boethius on July 11, 2018, 04:11:38 AM
It’s a pretty huge store in the US. Lots of women purchase cosmetics there. They sell many of the same cosmetics, in fact, they sell some cosmetics Sephora does not (and vice versa). They don’t sell shampoos though.

Women in North America purchase more cosmetics from department stores than from Sephora. Sephora’s cologne section is poor, for both men and women. A lot of their products can also only be purchased online. For example, our son likes Issey Miyake deodorant. I can buy it at department  stores, but only online at Sephora.
Title: Re: Sex Tourism and Prostituiton
Post by: John Gaunt on July 11, 2018, 04:42:28 AM
It’s a pretty huge store in the US. Lots of women purchase cosmetics there. They sell many of the same cosmetics, in fact, they sell some cosmetics Sephora does not (and vice versa). They don’t sell shampoos though.

Women in North America purchase more cosmetics from department stores than from Sephora. Sephora’s cologne section is poor, for both men and women. A lot of their products can also only be purchased online. For example, our son likes Issey Miyake deodorant. I can buy it at department  stores, but only online at Sephora.
I’ve never heard of Sephora’s but I have been to Macy’s.
Title: Re: Sex Tourism and Prostituiton
Post by: Boethius on July 11, 2018, 04:55:34 AM
Sephora is a French store that’s expanded world over. I have a loyalty card there, with perks, as I spend a lot there.
Title: Re: Sex Tourism and Prostituiton
Post by: John Gaunt on July 11, 2018, 04:56:59 AM
Sephora is a French store that’s expanded world over. I have a loyalty card there, with perks, as I spend a lot there.
Just cosmetics or clothing as well?
Title: Re: Sex Tourism and Prostituiton
Post by: Boethius on July 11, 2018, 05:02:36 AM
Just cosmetics, deodorants, cologne, and all sorts of hair care products.
Title: Re: Sex Tourism and Prostituiton
Post by: John Gaunt on July 11, 2018, 05:12:08 AM
Just cosmetics, deodorants, cologne, and all sorts of hair care products.
Ah, hair care!! Now that’s something Mrs Gaunt would be interested in.
Title: Re: Sex Tourism and Prostituiton
Post by: krimster2 on July 11, 2018, 06:02:36 AM
"Macy's here. Never heard someone to hype about it. "

mentioning the name of a store is "hype"?
the brand name of the makeup kit to you a significant element of the story?
you've never heard of Macy's?
thought you were a globe trotter?

the makeup kits were just a means to an end
as long as the trinkets look pretty is all that matters
I think it's cute, how you hold yourself above this...
they all did...

Title: Re: Sex Tourism and Prostituiton
Post by: Olchik on July 11, 2018, 06:13:26 AM
So you wanna say I'll sleep with you for few dollars foundation or eyeshadow? My friend, not everyone in Ukraine is hoe which sleep with foreigner for some stuff. Again, if u prefer to deal with trash, it's only your problem, but dont pretend to tell everyone is like that. 
Title: Re: Sex Tourism and Prostituiton
Post by: krimster2 on July 11, 2018, 06:21:05 AM
i never said EVERYONE is like that
but enough are
that doing what I do works quite well
as long as you go to the right places
I'm sure you've seen Ukrainian villages
wooden shacks with no paint
outside toilette
the girls who live here either have some job selling kartoshkie in a kiosk
or no job and just clean their parents house and work in the garden all day
so yeah, offer to take these girls to Istanbul for a new wardrobe
and see if they say no...
Title: Re: Sex Tourism and Prostituiton
Post by: Davo2 on July 11, 2018, 06:27:40 AM
That's why I think peer to peer sex and relationships should be encouraged at a young age. If people can enjoy it all to the max while they are young and free from STI's from others of the same young age then less chance they will have any need to get it on with risky partners when they are older that have been around a bit too much.

Practical sessions and even homework could be set where they pair off with someone they are hot on and get to it :D They could then write up a report on the experience for submission.

Now when I was at school relationships were seen as not acceptable by the school, particularly any kissing, never mind anything else. I think though that this attitude was particularly ignorant and did everyone a great disservice in terms of putting off sex at an age when it's most safees in terms of avoiding STI's. Condom use of course as ever would need to be promoted. Again this could have been made into another practical session with the girls slipping one on the boys, once they got them hard of course. So a bit of gentle touching from the girls being needed there I think ;D Would help to get pupils in the routine for safe sex condom use.

Having trouble working out if this is an attempt at humor or if you're serious.

Surely you had practical lessons at school putting a condom on a banana?

I'm pretty sure your style of practical lessons would result in unemployed teachers / principals, multimillion dollar lawsuits and world wide condemnation of your perverted sex education curriculum.

No offense, but if a someone mentioned this to me, even as a joke, I would have serious doubts about allowing my kids to be in their presence

Title: Re: Sex Tourism and Prostituiton
Post by: Olchik on July 11, 2018, 06:37:17 AM
There are more enough poor women on the west too. Also there are than enough gold diggers, whores and cam girls. So what?
If person stays at home and can't repair own bathroom, maybe problem is in this person? It's pretty easy to drink alcohol instead of repairing own home, right? Around my city are 8 villages, in one of them people make real farming, not grow 100 kilograms of potatoes for themselves. Average farmer for season earns 6-10 K dollars. Women usually seasonally work abroad and husbands deal on field . These people have nice houses, cars,etc. All another villages drink vodka and sell some potatoes . See the difference?
Title: Re: Sex Tourism and Prostituiton
Post by: krimster2 on July 11, 2018, 07:05:06 AM
“Why there aren't such dumb stereotypes about western women? “

there are...

“If person stays at home and can't repair own bathroom, maybe problem is in this person?”

or maybe if a whole village has this problem. it’s for another reason
like there is no money in the village

“Around my city are 8 villages, in one of them people make real farming, not grow 100 kilograms of potatoes for themselves. Average farmer for season earns 6-10 K dollars”

big money to you huh?
so in one of the 8 villages people grow some potatoes on a couple of acres of land
and these are the RICH PEOPLE???
I can hardly wait to meet the POOR PEOPLE in the other 7 villages!!!
because if I approached one their 18 year old daughters after she just finished working all day in the potato garden, and offered to take her to Istanbul or even Kyiv if she didn’t have a travel passport and go shopping all day with her at the tiplitsa, she’d be in my car faster than you can say “privet”

and seriously, the makeup kit is the way to tell if they will go with you or not
if they accept the makeup kit from you and you get the “emotional meltdown” reaction
girlish squeals, jumping up and down, even crying
100% she will go with you
just you and a young beautiful inexperienced girl Ukrainian together in an exotic location
making love together


Title: Re: Sex Tourism and Prostituiton
Post by: Olchik on July 11, 2018, 07:23:37 AM
Turkey is exotic location? Cmon....
So you wanna say you use poor unexperienced girls? Dude, usually I dont wish people bad things, and, to be clear, your future doesnt interest me, but I would like to see your face when your daughter will get banged by old ugly pervert men after you lose all money and dear wife run away next day after you lost everything ;)
Title: Re: Sex Tourism and Prostituiton
Post by: pitbull on July 11, 2018, 07:30:16 AM
Turkey is exotic location? Cmon....
So you wanna say you use poor unexperienced girls? Dude, usually I dont wish people bad things, and, to be clear, your future doesnt interest me, but I would like to see your face when your daughter will be banged by old ugly pervert men after you lose all money and dear wife run away next day after you lost everything ;)

Can you imagine this old creep (he must be around 60 now) prowling the most destitute villages with a stash of cheap makeup kits looking to buy sex from an 18-year old? Спасибо проблевался как говорится :(
Title: Re: Sex Tourism and Prostituiton
Post by: Olchik on July 11, 2018, 07:45:03 AM
Lol yeah, I imagined. It's from one side disquieting and from second hilarious :D
Title: Re: Sex Tourism and Prostituiton
Post by: krimster2 on July 11, 2018, 07:46:45 AM
"Turkey is exotic location? Cmon.... "

To an American it sure is!
and to an 18 year old girl who has never been more than 100 km from her village it sure is
let alone what it feels like for her to be in a 5 star hotel there with marble floors and gold plated faucets
you should see the look on their faces!
and I can take you to parts of Istanbul that look identical to when it was called Constantinople
and your mind will be blown!
so exotic yes, and about ten times more interesting than Kyiv...
less than 2 hour flight, and a Ukrainian girl gets her visa straight off the plane
not many places will grant a visa like that to her!

I like to select the lingerie
but the rest of her outfits and accessories I let her choose
if she's tall she will also have to buy a lot of shoes there
you're better off skipping jewelry purchase in Istanbul
and bring with you from the USA


Pitbull, I DON'T HAVE TO IMAGINE what it was like!!!
and so totally worth all the hate
those nice young beautiful girls with their smooth creamy complexions...
and the rush of adrenaline I felt the first time I ever saw them naked...
you have no idea what "eye candy" means
until you get to see one of them
took my damned breath away

so I got this...
and you got what else instead?

I'm happy with what I got
are you






Title: Re: Sex Tourism and Prostituiton
Post by: krimster2 on July 11, 2018, 07:57:45 AM
"but I would like to see your face when your daughter will get banged by old ugly pervert men after you lose all money and dear wife run away next day after you lost everything "

can I use that line in my next country western song?

am I bad? 
do you want to spank me?
punish me
make me quiver with fear and anticipation?
because if you do
you're off to a great start maya druzya

more please...

Title: Re: Sex Tourism and Prostituiton
Post by: Olchik on July 11, 2018, 08:25:41 AM
You dont worth even hate. Loneliness, that's what you have in real life. Own wife doesnt want have sex and you run after poor girls from the middle of nowhere who sleep with you for few dollars makeup kit. Btw, village girls usually know nothing about makeup, so please, leave your wet fantasies with yourself .
Title: Re: Sex Tourism and Prostituiton
Post by: krimster2 on July 11, 2018, 08:55:47 AM
i hear that Krimster will soon be back in town
you better lock up your daughters when ole krimster is around
the girls all say, “hey krimster!  your makeup is oichen horrosho!”
“and I will go away with you, wherever you may go”

the stuff of legend and song
must be nice living in Ukraine and feeling so superior and sure of yourself
haha talk about fantasies indeed
I can imagine what yours are
Title: Re: Sex Tourism and Prostituiton
Post by: Olchik on July 11, 2018, 08:57:18 AM
Ahaha, dont worry,  normal girls doesnt deal with dirty sex tourists. And tell, which are my fantasies?
Title: Re: Sex Tourism and Prostituiton
Post by: BdHvA on July 11, 2018, 09:10:36 AM
Krimster,

Before one could respect your posts and appreciate your insight.

Recently though I wonder if drugs or syphilis is clouding your posting.

Your ramble about a cancer hot spot on the Krim has failed, because you fail to provide any proof. Your mumbling about paid for sexual services lack both credibility and reality. Your advice to posters regarding relationships shows a shall say misogynist tint. Based on my knowledge of the former Soviet Union they will not work.

Please try to get real again.

Title: Re: Sex Tourism and Prostituiton
Post by: krimster2 on July 11, 2018, 10:11:14 AM
"Your ramble about a cancer hot spot on the Krim has failed, because you fail to provide any proof. "

simple explanation...
am leaving for Krim today, so haven't collected on-site proof yet
will be there early tomorrow evening

I do not accept the status quo between men and women
and don't need to depend on anyone else's collective wisdom
oh how I should best live my life
I have a different life from everyone else
it's the life I chose
I couldv'e made the same choice as the rest of you
but it would just be too boring to sustain me

rich men have choices
that poor men don't
and REALLY rich men
can do whatever the hell they want
and have as much female company as they want
and even have children
without giving a woman any legal hold over them
this is what I see as the future

women will be:
1. egg donor
2. surrogate mother
3. child care domestic/sex partner

there is no spousal contract
you can never be blackmailed
"and lose half your shit"

defensive dating




Title: Re: Sex Tourism and Prostituiton
Post by: krimster2 on July 11, 2018, 10:39:51 AM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/10328132/Rich-Chinese-hire-American-surrogate-mothers-for-up-to-120000-a-child.html

ohh this is actually old news
Title: Re: Sex Tourism and Prostituiton
Post by: jone on July 11, 2018, 10:44:44 AM
Krimster,

Before one could respect your posts and appreciate your insight.

Recently though I wonder if drugs or syphilis is clouding your posting.

Your ramble about a cancer hot spot on the Krim has failed, because you fail to provide any proof. Your mumbling about paid for sexual services lack both credibility and reality. Your advice to posters regarding relationships shows a shall say misogynist tint. Based on my knowledge of the former Soviet Union they will not work.

Please try to get real again.



+1

Good Post Av.
Title: Re: Sex Tourism and Prostituiton
Post by: krimster2 on July 11, 2018, 11:03:37 AM
oh sure...
go ahead and take a good look at "the bad guy"
I cannot blame my mental condition on some lowly spirochete
but to ordinary men
the flame of inspiration
outshines their ability to reason
so you cannot understand
Title: Re: Sex Tourism and Prostituiton
Post by: msmob on July 11, 2018, 05:28:27 PM
Krimster,

Before one could respect your posts and appreciate your insight.

Recently though I wonder if drugs or syphilis is clouding your posting.


Given your inability to recognise fact from fiction, I'm wondering if you should be 'judging'