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Title: Single man's guide to Kyiv fast response needed
Post by: Jamesukjames on January 10, 2019, 10:30:40 AM
I find myself in kiev from the night of 10 January until mid day on the 13 January.  I quickly went on expedia and got myself a lovely hotel including breakfast for 40 $ a night im right in the centre of old kiev on the west bank.  Nearly went for cheaper on the east bank thinking id be crossing a bridge like the Thames .  Think the river Severn bridge on the m40 in minus 8 winds for a truer picture.  First person in the hotel I met was the big burly doorman.  Had a bath and  a look  about on  fdating .  Many on this forum said get an apartment I guess based on no doorman and no signing in guests after 11pm.  I just didn't fancy dodgy heating in an apartment.  So guys what do I do now and what's the format for getting a lady passed the door man and reception all of whom are by the lift.  So advice please and why so pro apartments anti hotels ?











Title: Single man's guide to Kyiv fast response needed
Post by: SteveInBoston on January 10, 2019, 10:41:39 AM
What is your goal?  To meet a new woman who you potentially want to marry, or just a find someone to bed in the next 2.5 days?
Title: Single man's guide to Kyiv fast response needed
Post by: ML on January 10, 2019, 10:42:21 AM
Apartments vs hotels:   Many differing viewpoints.

http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=21752.0
Title: Single man's guide to Kyiv fast response needed
Post by: Trenchcoat on January 10, 2019, 11:41:30 AM
I find myself in kiev from the night of 10 January until mid day on the 13 January.  I quickly went on expedia and got myself a lovely hotel including breakfast for 40 $ a night im right in the centre of old kiev on the west bank.  Nearly went for cheaper on the east bank thinking id be crossing a bridge like the Thames .  Think the river Severn bridge on the m40 in minus 8 winds for a truer picture.  First person in the hotel I met was the big burly doorman.  Had a bath and  a look  about on  fdating .  Many on this forum said get an apartment I guess based on no doorman and no signing in guests after 11pm.  I just didn't fancy dodgy heating in an apartment.  So guys what do I do now and what's the format for getting a lady passed the door man and reception all of whom are by the lift.  So advice please and why so pro apartments anti hotels ?

Good you did'nt choose the East Bank James, not a lot over there including not great scenery, only been over there once to the concert hall centre they have over there, a modern build. Most of that area was surrounded by concrete apartment blocks and a few restaurants/bars with not great views of the apartment blocks and no nice scenery. So you were right in not trying to save the few extra pounds.

Generally as said in previous threads if the big burly doorman and.or reception staff take issue the way to deal with it is to tackfully throw out the bribe offer. You could try to find an excuse first that sounds suitable and see if that floats of course so long that it doesn't go too far as create an awkward situation. Of course IF you do get a girl then bribes offset savings if staying in slightly more expensive but more instantly suitable accomodation that does away with that fuss.

Its why some guys choose apartments. The alternative is to find a large hotel where so many people pass through reception staff and any other hotel employees would'nt know who you are. That's why I suggested Hotel Ukraine slap bang in the city centr overlooking Maidan 'Independance' Square. I've been there and I doubt any staff would take issue or knwo who you even are after checking in, there is also no big burly doormen, possibly an attendant buzzing around occasionally on the ground floor but no big deal so long as you don't draw a lot of attention to yourself.

I think as Steve states though, you have to decide what you are there for, sex tourism or to meet women for a long term relationship. Both are quite different though may have some similarities here & there. If you are there to meet a girl you can still do so during the daytime and she if she is suitable for a longer term relationship.
Title: Re: Single man's guide to Kyiv fast response needed
Post by: krimster2 on January 10, 2019, 11:52:12 AM
first step, figure out who the “boss” is
second step, treat the boss like a concierge!
have them do you some simple favor, and give them something in return
plus a small simple gift, I always use silver 1964 Kennedy half dollars as my “token” on top of a folded bill and a wink

after that do whatever you want, just don’t damage anything and you’re all set...
never had a problem with these folks following the procedure described above...
Title: Re: Single man's guide to Kyiv fast response needed
Post by: LAman on January 10, 2019, 11:54:13 AM
I find myself in kiev from the night of 10 January until mid day on the 13 January.  I quickly went on expedia and got myself a lovely hotel including breakfast for 40 $ a night im right in the centre of old kiev on the west bank.  Nearly went for cheaper on the east bank thinking id be crossing a bridge like the Thames .  Think the river Severn bridge on the m40 in minus 8 winds for a truer picture.  First person in the hotel I met was the big burly doorman.  Had a bath and  a look  about on  fdating .  Many on this forum said get an apartment I guess based on no doorman and no signing in guests after 11pm.  I just didn't fancy dodgy heating in an apartment.  So guys what do I do now and what's the format for getting a lady passed the door man and reception all of whom are by the lift.  So advice please and why so pro apartments anti hotels ?



lovely hotel? You got a cheap one.... Seems like your frame of mind is cheap at the moment. Where's that alpha male you spoke of? Oh yea, disappeared after that phone ruse. You want to bring up hookers? That why there's a doorman and no guests after 11pm.


Forget that apt v hotel thing, you got your tail between your legs at moment. You don't have time to "play house' in apt.


Just go up to the Irish pub and have a couple drinks where there are people so you won't be alone. Ya think you had enough excitement/drama for one trip? Just be safe whatever you decide to do!


Title: Re: Single man's guide to Kyiv fast response needed
Post by: krimster2 on January 10, 2019, 12:16:36 PM
"surrounded by concrete apartment blocks"

these are called "the barracks" since that's what they were at one time, barracks for robotniki
interesting design feature, no street lights, almost pitch black at night, a few rays of light seeping out closed windows
major organized crime here, from counterfeit jeans making to Krokodil dealers
eta moy bratniki dome - slovo te mamachika!
 
Title: Re: Single man's guide to Kyiv fast response needed
Post by: Jamesukjames on January 10, 2019, 12:48:28 PM
Well I'm about half an hours walk from trench's famous Ukraine hotel I get his point about scale my hotels about 50 rooms but lovely old bathrooms massive baths and clean.  Also expedia brings the prices down massively
Title: Re: Single man's guide to Kyiv fast response needed
Post by: Boethius on January 10, 2019, 12:51:53 PM
"surrounded by concrete apartment blocks"

these are called "the barracks" since that's what they were at one time, barracks for robotniki
interesting design feature, no street lights, almost pitch black at night, a few rays of light seeping out closed windows.


Those apartment blocks were never "barracks".  They simply were apartments, built during the Brezhnev years to house the city's burgeoning population.  They always had street lights in Soviet times.  It was only after the collapse that a lack of street lighting became common.


This post was composed without the aid of google.
Title: Re: Single man's guide to Kyiv fast response needed
Post by: Trenchcoat on January 10, 2019, 01:15:36 PM
"surrounded by concrete apartment blocks"

these are called "the barracks" since that's what they were at one time, barracks for robotniki
interesting design feature, no street lights, almost pitch black at night, a few rays of light seeping out closed windows
major organized crime here, from counterfeit jeans making to Krokodil dealers
eta moy bratniki dome - slovo te mamachika!

Reminds me, I've probably been out there more than the once. I think it was out in that direction I went with the girl I was with previous to an indoor clothes market. Way past the bridge crossover though and towards the outskirts. Full of small clothes fashion boutiques. The girl I was with fished out a pair of funky looking Jeans for me, quite nice really, turns out they were a Turkish fashion brand; a couple of shirts and a bright blue jacket. For her a bright blue bikini & bottoms, she looked very nice in :) heavily padded of course as seems to be the way out there. I was paying of course though so getting stuff for me added the bill up even more ::) Still good times, was supposed to be cheaper than central Kiev but still fashion brand quality. I think the fashion brand quality thing was essentially true, don't think the price was a lot cheaper though.
Title: Re: Single man's guide to Kyiv fast response needed
Post by: ML on January 10, 2019, 01:25:24 PM
I think the fashion brand quality thing was essentially true . . .

Except sometimes the alligator washes off the shirt.
Title: Re: Single man's guide to Kyiv fast response needed
Post by: Jamesukjames on January 10, 2019, 01:29:57 PM
That's what blew me away about the girl I just left she even offered to give me money as I left and our whole relationship she paid at least her share or more.  In Ukraine.
Title: Re: Single man's guide to Kyiv fast response needed
Post by: Hammer2722 on January 10, 2019, 01:49:03 PM
That's what blew me away about the girl I just left she even offered to give me money as I left and our whole relationship she paid at least her share or more.  In Ukraine.

Of course she did. Where do you think most of that money is coming from?????
Title: Re: Single man's guide to Kyiv fast response needed
Post by: Trenchcoat on January 10, 2019, 01:53:25 PM
That's what blew me away about the girl I just left she even offered to give me money as I left and our whole relationship she paid at least her share or more.  In Ukraine.

Guessing she found you pretty hot and wants a return visit! Lucky bugger :P ;D
Title: Re: Single man's guide to Kyiv fast response needed
Post by: 2tallbill on January 10, 2019, 01:58:38 PM
That's what blew me away about the girl I just left she even offered to give me money as I left and our whole relationship she paid at least her share or more.  In Ukraine.

If things don't work out give her number to Trench. He is always looking for a girl he
doesn't have to pay for and especially ones that pay more than their share!

I'm just kidding, I wish you luck and success! 

Bill
Title: Re: Single man's guide to Kyiv fast response needed
Post by: Boethius on January 10, 2019, 03:17:35 PM
Guessing she found you pretty hot and wants a return visit! Lucky bugger :P ;D

Proving yet again you have missed a cultural cue.

This post was composed without the aid of google.
Title: Re: Single man's guide to Kyiv fast response needed
Post by: Trenchcoat on January 10, 2019, 04:57:24 PM
Proving yet again you have missed a cultural cue.

This post was composed without the aid of google.

What else could it mean?
Title: Re: Single man's guide to Kyiv fast response needed
Post by: rwd123 on January 10, 2019, 05:35:28 PM
So advice please and why so pro apartments anti hotels ?
Apartments are generally less expensive, bigger, more comfortable, and more private. The added bonus is you'll get a kitchen and washing machine. Never had a problem with heating.

Visit Pinchuk, there's a guy who plays inside a piano which is pretty cool. There are some nice places to eat around Kontraktova Square. I like the parks around Arsenala metro station.  Mur-Mur restaurant has some nice views (near Arena City).

I don't know your age so can't recommend nightspots. Arena City is not the greatest place but you can pop in and out of places to see if you like what you see. Ask the concierge for recommendations, they generally can provide some good pointers.

Title: Re: Single man's guide to Kyiv fast response needed
Post by: Trenchcoat on January 10, 2019, 06:34:03 PM
I won't make a suggestion of where to go as I think it's better for each person to find their own unique experience of Kiev. On the face of it to the new arrival it can appear a bit inaccessible, probably more so to those who don't know Russian well. I've found though its a city with many interesting facets.

I find the company of a woman is good for Kiev as she will help you access your own unique experience of Kiev. The two women I was with there were both different personalities with different tastes. That made for a great experience for me both times as we didn't end up at the same places or doing the same stuff. If anything I found it best not to bring up places I went with the previous girl, the more different places the more you experience a whole other side to Kiev :)
Title: Re: Single man's guide to Kyiv fast response needed
Post by: BC on January 11, 2019, 02:17:07 AM
To answer the question posed, depends on if you booked a single or double.  Options are upgrade at the front desk or work it out with the doorman.
Title: Re: Single man's guide to Kyiv fast response needed
Post by: Jamesukjames on January 11, 2019, 02:22:15 AM
Just an eye opener to others.  Through f dating I got involved with a mother daughter team who both had English sugar daddies.  Mother had met English guy on a find a wife coach tour.  Gf had found her sugar daddy by approaching a friends husband.  I got involved through f dating.  Mother was anti me from the start.  Gf was always kind and always went Dutch.  Looking back I guess unless I was prepared to finance g f I should have accepted the situation.  The thought of her going of to be with a 25 year older guy to maintain her sugar daddy just hit a nerve so I left
Title: Re: Single man's guide to Kyiv fast response needed
Post by: Jamesukjames on January 11, 2019, 02:22:54 AM
Always double room
Title: Re: Single man's guide to Kyiv fast response needed
Post by: The Natural on January 11, 2019, 05:37:29 AM
Why not just ask the doorman what the rules are? If negative, get online and research a good apartment.
Title: Re: Single man's guide to Kyiv fast response needed
Post by: Vi.Ria on January 11, 2019, 06:11:18 AM
Omg :)
 Why did you choose the hotel?? Modern and most expensive apartments of $ 30-40 per day.
Title: Re: Single man's guide to Kyiv fast response needed
Post by: Trenchcoat on January 11, 2019, 06:43:53 AM
Why not just ask the doorman what the rules are? If negative, get online and research a good apartment.

That'll mean James will pay out twice and he apparently chose the place to save money. He doesn't even know yet if he'll find a girl in the short two days that he's got. The ideal would have been to use Fdating while at the girl's apartment when she was at work just to make contact with a few girls. Even if he did so not knowing if he would stay at her place the whole time it would hedge his bets for the off chance that he would lead as has happened. That way he would get a head start and possibly meet up with girls more quickly.

On the plus side James can take this as a learning experience that has cost him little so always good for next time. It's how I try to look at stuff when I make a mistake or two while out in the FSU.

Apartments are fine if the set up is straightforward and easy to find. If not been in the city before with virtually no language ability or experience of using the Apartment set up sometimes it can become a hard task.

I think with just two days it will probably be best for James to just run with the situation he's got and see what crops up.
Title: Re: Single man's guide to Kyiv fast response needed
Post by: Jamesukjames on January 11, 2019, 08:08:45 AM
Also Back home I clean up after myself and I sure don't have art deco marble and a 4 foot deep 7 foot long bath only downside have to run  hot tap constantly to stop cast iron cooling the water.  Trench you are an evil genius but I personally always am in or out never hedge my bets.  F dating is wonderful I have a 6 pm date from less than 24 hours and a few more potentials.  I'm no player but I find myself in this situation.  It's 1700 on Friday probably too early and the Irish pub is nearly empty.
Title: Re: Single man's guide to Kyiv fast response needed
Post by: lyndontom on January 11, 2019, 08:14:45 AM
Just go up to the Irish pub and have a couple drinks where there are people so you won't be alone. Ya think you had enough excitement/drama for one trip? Just be safe whatever you decide to do!


+1. With what little time you have left, go to Copper pub, walk up to Sunduk and then O'Briens and hit Club Rio. Sounds like it's what you might be looking for at this moment in time to get over/conclude your trip.
Title: Re: Single man's guide to Kyiv fast response needed
Post by: Trenchcoat on January 11, 2019, 09:02:42 AM
Also Back home I clean up after myself and I sure don't have art deco marble and a 4 foot deep 7 foot long bath only downside have to run  hot tap constantly to stop cast iron cooling the water.  Trench you are an evil genius but I personally always am in or out never hedge my bets.  F dating is wonderful I have a 6 pm date from less than 24 hours and a few more potentials.  I'm no player but I find myself in this situation.  It's 1700 on Friday probably too early and the Irish pub is nearly empty.

That's good going James, looks like the women find you quite desirable. Being in Kiev can help though as the biggest population their in the whole of Ukraine than any other Ukrainian city. Looks like you were also a bit lucky as well in getting one firm one up and not just a load of potentials. With a bit of luck she'll show up and all will be good :)
Title: Re: Single man's guide to Kyiv fast response needed
Post by: Jamesukjames on January 11, 2019, 09:17:42 AM
Trench I fish in a different sea to  you 30 to 40 with a child.  I have 3 kids from my only marriage so I like equality I've had 2 mini relationships with no children women and find them selfish.  For some reason in belarus and Ukraine 30 to 40 with a child struggle to even get a date.  My grandmother was Belarusian and I inherited a Russian nose that does me no favours in uk out in the f s u  my looks just fit
Title: Re: Single man's guide to Kyiv fast response needed
Post by: Jamesukjames on January 11, 2019, 09:21:11 AM
Plus I just clash with feminists in uk.  My g f was stopped last week for driving with a broken tail lights and I the passenger as a male was told to get it fixed.  Can you imagine that happening in the UK.  The woman driver would have filed a complaint for sexism.
Title: Re: Single man's guide to Kyiv fast response needed
Post by: 2tallbill on January 11, 2019, 10:58:31 AM
Omg :)
 Why did you choose the hotel?? Modern and most expensive apartments of $ 30-40 per day.


Hi, there is a thread at the link below about apartments vs hotels. I want to encourage you
to expand on your views about which is better in your opinion and why.

http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=23408.25

Title: Re: Single man's guide to Kyiv fast response needed
Post by: Trenchcoat on January 11, 2019, 02:50:18 PM
Trench I fish in a different sea to  you 30 to 40 with a child.  I have 3 kids from my only marriage so I like equality I've had 2 mini relationships with no children women and find them selfish.  For some reason in belarus and Ukraine 30 to 40 with a child struggle to even get a date.  My grandmother was Belarusian and I inherited a Russian nose that does me no favours in uk out in the f s u  my looks just fit

Ah, I see, yeah I heard that tends to be the case out there with single women with kids though of course there are exceptions. I think most FSM are faced with whether they want to have kids never mind someone else's lol. The population is generally falling out in the FSU as I think a lot of FSM don't want the burden of raising kids, FSW perhaps also. The girl I was with previous at one point explained to me how she expected the guy to be out at work all hours - whatever became necessary - to provide the lifestyle that she any any child would want (never mind the basics).

I've seen couples in the UK though that join together with kids from past relationships and it seems to often work well. There is a shared commonality for all involved and for the children I guess it can be like gaining a new brother or sister. Of course providing tends to fortunately be less of an issue in the UK.

I think it's a shame the Russian language was never past onto you though, would have been handy to have learned it almost like a native language. Did any others in your family or relatives learn Russian as a result of your Grandmother being Belarusian?

I saw on the Web recently about the Belarusian nose, for women it tends to be smallish and end in a point. Not sure if it's different for men. I never really noticed it standing out while I was over there, nothing I would class as bad looking or strange or anything. My nose is longish and straight, it's ok though I think I would prefer it a bit smaller  sometimes, less prominent. Don't think it would be something I would care to alter though as often that sort of stuff can end up looking too weird and worse than what was started with I think.

Anyway hope you're date goes well :)
Title: Re: Single man's guide to Kyiv fast response needed
Post by: msmob on January 11, 2019, 10:27:40 PM

I think with just two days it will probably be best for James to just run with the situation he's got and see what crops up.

I'm sure James (and others) have been waiting RWD's 'dating expert's'  golden advice ....  :popcorn:

Let's be honest.... James needs to to reevaluate the type of lady he's been targeting and I'd have bought a plane ticket home ... 
Title: Re: Single man's guide to Kyiv fast response needed
Post by: Jamesukjames on January 12, 2019, 02:21:03 AM
Msmob no way life is an adventure I don't target anyone I let life happen.  First time in kiev my 6pm date turned up at 8pm showed  me the sights had a massive meal for 2 that cost me 30 $.  She paid for me on sub way I know it's hardly anything but I saw some sights .  As to grandmother no one in London spoke any other language than English in the 1930s 1940s it was not safe to be a foreigner let alone a Jewish one.
Title: Re: Single man's guide to Kyiv fast response needed
Post by: Jamesukjames on January 12, 2019, 02:40:05 AM
As to languages my grandfather was a military diplomat after the war based in Moscow Bonn and Paris.  He could only live solo In Moscow.  So my grandmother  and I stayed in Bonn and Paris.  Even though I spoke German at school until 6 the only thing I can remember is German numbers where as im so fluent in French that when in France people ask me where in paris I'm from.  What I never realised is being raised by a Belarusian meant I did not fit in with UK family life so well 
Title: Re: Single man's guide to Kyiv fast response needed
Post by: msmob on January 12, 2019, 03:17:44 AM
Msmob no way life is an adventure I don't target anyone I let life happen.  First time in kiev my 6pm date turned up at 8pm showed  me the sights had a massive meal for 2 that cost me 30 $.  She paid for me on sub way I know it's hardly anything but I saw some sights .  As to grandmother no one in London spoke any other language than English in the 1930s 1940s it was not safe to be a foreigner let alone a Jewish one.

James, once again, my sources are at variance with yours ....  I had Polish Jewish friends who were akin to surrogate Grandparents ...Now whilst they did - indeed- meet some rotten eggs - they chose to make the UK their home ..working against Nazi and lattery Soviet occupation and living out their lives in the UK.  They were much loved and missed by Brits they met over 8 decades of their lives here

Nought wrong with believing ife is an adventure - but isn't it better to choose to share it with the same lady ? (I'm speaking as someone who has loved and lost, too )

I 'get it' - you are rationalising your failure to form a relationship as an experience ...

Lining up a series of dates - may be it's just compensating / avoiding the fact you chose - unwisely

Enjoy Kyiv ;)

 












Title: Re: Single man's guide to Kyiv fast response needed
Post by: Trenchcoat on January 12, 2019, 03:38:13 AM
I'm sure James (and others) have been waiting RWD's 'dating expert's'  golden advice ....  :popcorn:

Let's be honest.... James needs to to reevaluate the type of lady he's been targeting and I'd have bought a plane ticket home ...

Mobes your advice was off last time I don't think it is any better this time.

Women can vary out there. Some can be bad in different ways or just inappropriate for each other. It's all useful experience, the meal out can be used as a good early indication of what the girl is like. If she has expensive/indulgent tastes or is frugal. Some guys who are rich don't mind spending a bit on a girl they are into. In any case a variety of experience of different FSW is useful in helping to judge what you are dealing with in the future.

That aside many guys have come good and met the woman of their dreams by dating women on the hoof after matters with their original date went south.
Title: Re: Single man's guide to Kyiv fast response needed
Post by: msmob on January 12, 2019, 03:49:03 AM
Mobes your advice was off last time I don't think it is any better this time.

What? to confront the madam playing sugar daddy v our stud?  ...Hardly ...  But then you're an 'expert' on FSU W   :popcorn:


That aside many guys have come good and met the woman of their dreams by dating women on the hoof after matters with their original date went south.

Ah, the Beel scenario ...  Sure - but Beel had long experience with FSU W ...Our James is on the first rung of the ladder - you haven't even found it yet ....

Title: Re: Single man's guide to Kyiv fast response needed
Post by: Lily on January 12, 2019, 07:09:00 AM
  For some reason in belarus and Ukraine 30 to 40 with a child struggle to even get a date.  My grandmother was Belarusian and I inherited a Russian nose that does me no favours in uk out in the f s u  my looks just fit

In that part of world, life is generally geared towards youth. That's why after 30 women tend to retire from love life. This tendency may be less pronounced in the better healed part of society, though.

I would like to see a 'Russian nose'  :D  :D
Title: Re: Single man's guide to Kyiv fast response needed
Post by: msmob on January 12, 2019, 07:50:46 AM
Did James mean a 'duck nose' ? 

Can be cute ;)
Title: Re: Single man's guide to Kyiv fast response needed
Post by: Boethius on January 12, 2019, 08:36:00 AM
I think most FSM are faced with whether they want to have kids never mind someone else's lol. The population is generally falling out in the FSU as I think a lot of FSM don't want the burden of raising kids,

And this gem of an observation comes from???  . . . your vast experience interacting with FSUM?  Your encyclopedic knowledge of FSU societies?  Your years of experience living in the FSU?

Most FSUM are, in fact, fathers.  Most of those fathers are very involved in their childrens' lives.

This post was composed without the aid of google.
Title: Re: Single man's guide to Kyiv fast response needed
Post by: Trenchcoat on January 12, 2019, 12:07:18 PM
Did James mean a 'duck nose' ? 

Can be cute ;)

Think James means a bit like this:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0170016/mediaviewer/rm1813092352
Title: Re: Single man's guide to Kyiv fast response needed
Post by: Jamesukjames on January 12, 2019, 12:21:50 PM
Thanks trench .  On the money but not so extreme. Good for heating cold air.  My grandparents told me any foreign language was treated as german in 30 40 and 50 s.  I remember him having a punch up in a campsite with a German in a camp site in the 1980s and I once offered to help a one armed German gentleman in 2006 who turned to me and said f... off you British took my arm at Dunkirk.  So tensions still run .
Title: Re: Single man's guide to Kyiv fast response needed
Post by: msmob on January 12, 2019, 12:37:13 PM
Thanks trench .  On the money but not so extreme. Good for heating cold air.  My grandparents told me any foreign language was treated as german in 30 40 and 50 s.  I remember him having a punch up in a campsite with a German in a camp site in the 1980s and I once offered to help a one armed German gentleman in 2006 who turned to me and said f... off you British took my arm at Dunkirk.  So tensions still run .

Once again, I have to wonder at your 'experiences'

In the early noughties I spent half my time in either Hamburg, Berlin, Bielefeld  or Hannover - working with Panasonic Europe  - and considering how the Brits flattened these cities and we still had bases there - I 'missed' such feelings ...



Title: Re: Single man's guide to Kyiv fast response needed
Post by: Jamesukjames on January 12, 2019, 12:40:35 PM
Lily 30 retire from love life.  Well all I can say is I can't believe you speak from experience.  Quote ...never ask a deer how to hunt a deer.  Anyway let's say compared to a UK family car it's like a Ferrari with the traction control off .  Many UK guys will tell you stories of buying their wives lingerie and being told to take it back to the shop...f s u no way that's happening
Title: Re: Single man's guide to Kyiv fast response needed
Post by: Jamesukjames on January 12, 2019, 12:47:59 PM
Msmob next you will tell me it was safe to date a Catholic girl in Ireland in 1990s  while serving Been there done that.  Nearly ended me hence a lifetimes lack of fear .
Title: Re: Single man's guide to Kyiv fast response needed
Post by: Jamesukjames on January 12, 2019, 12:49:28 PM
Msmob been there done that plenty of run ins with Germans and Austrians.  You do seem to live in utopia
Title: Re: Single man's guide to Kyiv fast response needed
Post by: Trenchcoat on January 12, 2019, 02:20:45 PM
Thanks trench .  On the money but not so extreme. Good for heating cold air.  My grandparents told me any foreign language was treated as german in 30 40 and 50 s.  I remember him having a punch up in a campsite with a German in a camp site in the 1980s and I once offered to help a one armed German gentleman in 2006 who turned to me and said f... off you British took my arm at Dunkirk.  So tensions still run .

Lol, yeah well that's pretty funny :)

Strange how long things like that can linger on. I think though that that type of stuff is quite random in terms of British - German direction it's been so long.

The Belarus - German issues over WWII seem to be way more entrenched than us Brits. The girl I met told me she didn't like the German language as it reminded her of the war - she was only 30! Lol. So it's surprising how it can all be passed on a long way down the road. In the UK I think we are getting to a time when most of those that fought in WWII have passed on and the decades have moved societal focus onto other matters. In Belarus I was there for the Victory Day celebrations last year and they seem still more caught up on it all. Their TV just played films about good Belarusian citizens being masarcred by the Nazis. It certainly looks like their civilian population suffered the full brunt of Nazi oppression with it affecting them far more than the blitz, though of course it was just a film it was no doubt similar to what occurred as history reflects.

So myself I think I'll stay away from bringing it up at all while out that way, it doesn't look like it's something to dredge up. I'm guessing your back in Blighty now James :)
Title: Re: Single man's guide to Kyiv fast response needed
Post by: Jamesukjames on January 12, 2019, 05:16:34 PM
Kiev back Blighty 13th.  Quarter of the belarus population was killed in ww2 the population has only just got up to ww2 figures and the Jewish population was exterminated.  Plus the Nazis well German soldiers had a nasty habbit of rounding up the village into the wooden church and setting it on fire.
Title: Re: Single man's guide to Kyiv fast response needed
Post by: Jamesukjames on January 12, 2019, 05:18:36 PM
Russians were bad on their way through Germany too.  Humanity tends to get lost in war.
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Post by: DaveNY on January 12, 2019, 05:36:50 PM
Lol, yeah well that's pretty funny :)

Strange how long things like that can linger on. I think though that that type of stuff is quite random in terms of British - German direction it's been so long.

The Belarus - German issues over WWII seem to be way more entrenched than us Brits. The girl I met told me she didn't like the German language as it reminded her of the war - she was only 30! Lol. So it's surprising how it can all be passed on a long way down the road. In the UK I think we are getting to a time when most of those that fought in WWII have passed on and the decades have moved societal focus onto other matters. In Belarus I was there for the Victory Day celebrations last year and they seem still more caught up on it all. Their TV just played films about good Belarusian citizens being masarcred by the Nazis. It certainly looks like their civilian population suffered the full brunt of Nazi oppression with it affecting them far more than the blitz, though of course it was just a film it was no doubt similar to what occurred as history reflects.

So myself I think I'll stay away from bringing it up at all while out that way, it doesn't look like it's something to dredge up. I'm guessing your back in Blighty now James :)

Different in Moscow. Not nearly as much hatred of the Germans. German is a very popular language to learn because Germany is viewed in a better light than the US and UK.  Germany is also a desirable destination for those wishing to emigrate. It's a short plane ride from Russia and is the economic powerhouse of Europe so lots of jobs. Germany also has one of the largest populations of Russian expats in Europe.
Title: Re: Single man's guide to Kyiv fast response needed
Post by: ML on January 12, 2019, 05:41:26 PM
Different in Moscow. Germany is viewed in a better light than the US and UK. 

I suppose that's because Germans killed fewer Russians than did US and UK.
Title: Re: Single man's guide to Kyiv fast response needed
Post by: Jamesukjames on January 12, 2019, 06:00:34 PM
It all gets confused .  Many ethnic Latvians were pro Nazi and many Russian Latvians were pro Russia.  War is confusing and horrible.  My friends and I who served in the former Yugoslavia still have nightmares or ptsd from what we saw neighbours do to each other.  Plus a very strong respect for Russian soldiers capabilities.
Title: Re: Single man's guide to Kyiv fast response needed
Post by: msmob on January 12, 2019, 11:57:48 PM
Msmob next you will tell me it was safe to date a Catholic girl in Ireland in 1990s  while serving Been there done that.  Nearly ended me hence a lifetimes lack of fear .


))

I'm from N.Ireland ( N.I prod ) and I married a R.Catholic lass in 91...

Title: Re: Single man's guide to Kyiv fast response needed
Post by: francers on June 24, 2019, 02:49:47 AM
So how about your trip? Is it simple to meet a Russian girl?
Title: Re: Single man's guide to Kyiv fast response needed
Post by: msmob on June 24, 2019, 03:21:47 AM
Yes...  unless you name is Trench ;)

Seriously, meeting is easy - finding the right girl - harder - staying married  - harder still !