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RWD Discussion Groups => Introductions and Ice-Breaker => Topic started by: RevenR on January 21, 2019, 07:21:06 PM

Title: New guy here! Stumbled upon you all by accident
Post by: RevenR on January 21, 2019, 07:21:06 PM
Hey all! Glad to meet you. Happened upon this site by accident and so, here I am.

I have been head over heels about Russian/Ukraine women for a while and I have always wanted to visit those countries and meet someone! Ultimately looking for a wife... A good simple Woman. These US girls are :wallbash:
I'm in the US fyi.

I am pretty much the only one I know who is interested in such an endeavor,  and have no guidance as to where to start. I personally don't know anyone who has attempted such a thing. Reading some of these forums seems like many of you have probably traveled a bit.

I have learned that there are many scam sites, kinda easy to weed out. But are there any legitimate ones? Any guidance or tips is much appreciated from you all.
Title: Re: New guy here! Stumbled upon you all by accident
Post by: DaveNY on January 21, 2019, 07:43:36 PM
Welcome to RWD, RevenR.

My advice in no particular order. Learn some of her language if at all possible. Realize it will cost a lot of money. Understand there are a lot of scammers in the FSU trying to get your money. Not just women but men pretending to be women and others running agencies promising to hook you up with young beautiful women of your dreams. 95% plus of the ads for FSUW are scams.

Many men say it took them 8 or 10 trips or more to the FSU before they found their wife. At about $5,000 per trip that's lots of money. Then the costs of moving her to the US, more money.

Feel free to post some information about your potential g/f and ask advice.
Title: Re: New guy here! Stumbled upon you all by accident
Post by: jone on January 21, 2019, 09:18:53 PM
Welcome to the forum.

As to your questions about websites many on here have differing opinions.  My own personal opinion is that all sites have legitimate women and scammers.  But the percentage of legitimate women is much higher on subscription sites.   My personal favorite is ElenasModels.com.
Title: Re: New guy here! Stumbled upon you all by accident
Post by: msmob on January 21, 2019, 11:41:37 PM
Welcome to the site, RevenR

Check out the RWD ten commandments and you'll not go far wrong. They are written by those with long experience of travelling to the FSU and meeting women from there.

THere was a time when turning up as an American would have the woman surrounding you - those days have gone.  Why? I thin it is a combination of some of the guys that went and the reported experiences of ladies who went and returned , plus - in the case of Russia - in particular - an anti-western and in particular - anti US / British agenda - when the Kremlin has had it's expansionist ( they would claim fixing the mistakes of the past ) policies / away games 'sanctioned' ...  and western nations are now seen as 'weak' ?

If you are confident and caring and can provide a roof over your intended''s head - you can win - but it is not cheap and can be frustrating

It is worth it ? HELL YES !

I've not visited a dating site in anger for nearly six years - so I'm not able to recommend 'the best' and what was a good site can change.

Title: Re: New guy here! Stumbled upon you all by accident
Post by: Jamesukjames on January 22, 2019, 02:01:59 AM
Revener  lots of advice will be different.  Mine is a site called f dating and then get on to Viber or what's app.  Video calls you can meet the person they can see your life you can see theirs.  Tick the speak English box on f dating for the woman as you will never speak enough Russian and if the relationship  blossoms the odds are she's moving to your country not you to hers.
Title: Re: New guy here! Stumbled upon you all by accident
Post by: RevenR on January 22, 2019, 04:42:37 AM
I already appreciate the feedback from you all. Like I said,  I didn't  know anyone who tried this, so I was just shooting blind pretty much. Based off your input, sounds like a may have to accumulate my resources for a few more years to make that many trips haha.

I tried F dating that one seemed a little sketch. I have not done Elenora yet. Anyone know anything about bridesandlovers? That one seems almost to good to be true.

Title: Re: New guy here! Stumbled upon you all by accident
Post by: Jamesukjames on January 22, 2019, 05:07:21 AM
If you pay you loose.  Simple.  F dating is real.  Most pay for sites are key board masturbation  for idiots.
Title: Re: New guy here! Stumbled upon you all by accident
Post by: Jamesukjames on January 22, 2019, 05:12:33 AM
Anyone one who has not been dating in the fsu in 2018 or 2019 is so way out of date they are dinosaurs about dating.  The old timers can give you trip advice and living together advice.   Others can give you front line dating advice.
Title: Re: New guy here! Stumbled upon you all by accident
Post by: Nightwish on January 22, 2019, 05:50:48 AM
I already appreciate the feedback from you all. Like I said,  I didn't  know anyone who tried this, so I was just shooting blind pretty much. Based off your input, sounds like a may have to accumulate my resources for a few more years to make that many trips haha.

I tried F dating that one seemed a little sketch. I have not done Elenora yet. Anyone know anything about bridesandlovers? That one seems almost to good to be true.

I can recommend both dmnotify.com and cuteonly.com
both are monthly subscription sites and seems to be more active site then Elenas.

Take the advice from everyone with a lot of suspicion, it's your journey and not someone else's, it might take you one trip and it might take you 20, that is all up to you and what approach you use.

Read here, ask questions and heed the advice given, some here should come with a warning label when they post anything. If you browse around you will soon see who, they plague every thread with nonsense and bad advice.
Title: Re: New guy here! Stumbled upon you all by accident
Post by: Jamesukjames on January 22, 2019, 06:11:34 AM
And some post the Disneyland version that does not exist.  Pay anything for a dating site you loose.  May take you a long time to figure it out.
Title: Re: New guy here! Stumbled upon you all by accident
Post by: Jamesukjames on January 22, 2019, 06:28:11 AM
Personally im battle hardened and getting it 50 per cent right.  We brits have a major advantage $35 return flight to kiev and back  ))))))
Title: Re: New guy here! Stumbled upon you all by accident
Post by: John Gaunt on January 22, 2019, 06:46:00 AM
Personally im battle hardened and getting it 50 per cent right.  We brits have a major advantage $35 return flight to kiev and back  ))))))
Really? Iíve been flying to and from a Kyiv for the last 10 years and have never seen a fare like that.
Link please.
Title: Re: New guy here! Stumbled upon you all by accident
Post by: John Gaunt on January 22, 2019, 06:48:59 AM
Anyone one who has not been dating in the fsu in 2018 or 2019 is so way out of date they are dinosaurs about dating.  The old timers can give you trip advice and living together advice.   Others can give you front line dating advice.
Thatís palpable nonsense. Ones knowledge of how to interact with women never goes out of date.
Some people, on the other hand, havenít the foggiest on how to form relationships with the opposite sex.
Title: Re: New guy here! Stumbled upon you all by accident
Post by: John Gaunt on January 22, 2019, 06:54:09 AM
I can recommend both dmnotify.com and cuteonly.com
both are monthly subscription sites and seems to be more active site then Elenas.

Take the advice from everyone with a lot of suspicion, it's your journey and not someone else's, it might take you one trip and it might take you 20, that is all up to you and what approach you use.

]b]Read here, ask questions and heed the advice given, some here should come with a warning label when they post anything. If you browse around you will soon see who, they plague every thread with nonsense and bad advice.[/b]
I wonder who that could be? 🤔😂
Title: Re: New guy here! Stumbled upon you all by accident
Post by: RevenR on January 22, 2019, 06:59:37 AM
So it seems like the majority of you've been doing this for a while to say the least.
And all fairness, what is the success rate of this endeavor / the realistic idea of it? Is it a dream for most that will never come true? Or am I just wasting my time.
Most of you are probably in Europe I'm assuming, so it seems much easier for you guys to travel there. Versus me being all the way here in the US.
Title: Re: New guy here! Stumbled upon you all by accident
Post by: oso on January 22, 2019, 07:11:41 AM
Hello and welcome!
I have not been here on RWD much, but let me chime in. I am a Ukrainian expat with Ukrainian residency. I am currently in the US. First of all you need to decide if this is a venture you really want to complete. Women are women no matter what country they are from. I know many Eastern European women. They are very different and don't let the websites cloud your vision.
It is very easy to meet a woman there, and if you find one be prepared to saddle up and go meet her. You will know if she is "in to you" or not. If she is, you won't be able to rid her once she put her hooks into you.
Do you know that there are many living in the states already? Lonely and ready to met a man of their dream?
If you meet one of these fine ladies, spend some time with her. Not just a week and come home and file a k-1.
Some of my personal experience .....
I am married to a smoking hot Ukrainian woman that is a nympho....every mans dreams :)
We are both over 50 and both professional. There is 13 years difference in age and we have been together for 5 years.
First of all, I would never get rid of her. But life has had its bumps.
Also she grew up in a KGB family.

If you meet one of these woman, go through a argument cycle. They like to argue, but I only have to have my ass handed to me once to figure out do I want to be right, or do I want to be happy.
You can not win...
You can not change a bad idea with a 2x4 to the back of the head...they are stubborn
They don't trust very easy, it will take time.
If there is a problem, my wife will do what ever is needed to fix it. If you need help, she will take off the heels and roll up her sleeves to help out.
The list goes on and on.....Has it been easy...NO, IT TAKES ALOT OF WORK FROM BOTH SIDES.
Would I do it again? HELL YES
Ask around, someone here might be able to introduce one to you...I might be able to, but not sure.
I'll be home in Kyiv late March.
Also you should know this is not easy for them as well. It is difficult for both sides and I can explain further if needed to...
Good luck
Title: Re: New guy here! Stumbled upon you all by accident
Post by: GenMish on January 22, 2019, 07:12:17 AM
So it seems like the majority of you've been doing this for a while to say the least.
And all fairness, what is the success rate of this endeavor / the realistic idea of it? Is it a dream for most that will never come true? Or am I just wasting my time.
Most of you are probably in Europe I'm assuming, so it seems much easier for you guys to travel there. Versus me being all the way here in the US.

I am one for one, but I went 26 years ago. I was going to go last year but punted, because I couldn't get excited enough about one lady and didn't want to spend my summer vacation criss crossing the FSU on coin flips.  Like you, I am in the US. It used to be a huge advantage, but not so anymore. You will be competing with men from countries with nationalized health care, good public transit(whereas you will be getting her Medical Insurance and a Car) and they have more vacation time to search

However, I might give it another go in 2019. I will just have to use social media more effectively
Title: Re: New guy here! Stumbled upon you all by accident
Post by: Jamesukjames on January 22, 2019, 07:38:22 AM
Ryan air .. Stansted ...kiev
Title: Re: New guy here! Stumbled upon you all by accident
Post by: Jamesukjames on January 22, 2019, 07:49:04 AM
John you lasted dated 10 years ago.  Web based dating was just starting and so was smart phones.  Now I what's app and we show each other around our houses apartment kids town via video live link on what's app.  You can see how she acts with her kids and how you act with yours.  As trench said all the hot ones go to the pay sites and the normals go to the free ones )))))    I have been pleasantly surprised by how much better my f dating dates looked than the equivalent UK situation where photo shop takes years off.
Title: Re: New guy here! Stumbled upon you all by accident
Post by: John Gaunt on January 22, 2019, 07:53:20 AM
Ryan air .. Stansted ...kiev
Never flown Ryanair..,.,never will. Must be a new service.
Title: Re: New guy here! Stumbled upon you all by accident
Post by: John Gaunt on January 22, 2019, 07:59:52 AM
John you lasted dated 10 years ago.  Web based dating was just starting and so was smart phones.  Now I what's app and we show each other around our houses apartment kids town via video live link on what's app.  You can see how she acts with her kids and how you act with yours.  As trench said all the hot ones go to the pay sites and the normals go to the free ones )))))    I have been pleasantly surprised by how much better my f dating dates looked than the equivalent UK situation where photo shop takes years off.
Online dating has been around for a tad longer then 10 years. Smart phones too.
Nothing new there. I was doing the live video thing back then.
Itís not just about the mechanics of dating tho, is it. Itís about your personal skills and how you establish relationships with other human beings that will, in the end, dictate your success or failure with women anywhere.
Technology will bring you to the door. How you open the door and cross the threshold is what really matters.
Title: Re: New guy here! Stumbled upon you all by accident
Post by: Nightwish on January 22, 2019, 08:00:55 AM
And some post the Disneyland version that does not exist.  Pay anything for a dating site you loose.  May take you a long time to figure it out.

Pay anything? I think the majority here would disagree with you on that, the monthly subscription sites are well tested and usually trustworthy, PPL site on the other hand are the plague.


I never had any problems on the free sites myself, both to get answers and build relations with women, but that I contribute more to my offensive charm and outstanding profile (which I always got credit from the ladies about)
but everyone is not me and the competition on the free sites with 99% keyboard romeos and "ugly people" asking for nude pictures tend to turn of the ladies from using them to the same extent.

That is the only reason I say - as a beginner - go on a well known subscription site and try your luck first.
It's about $30-40 for a month and if you can't afford that, don't look for a woman even outside your own neighborhood.

edit:
what james must have totally missed is that these sites are still FREE FOR THE WOMEN. So why should she use fdating instead of dmnotify  :wallbash:
Title: Re: New guy here! Stumbled upon you all by accident
Post by: Nightwish on January 22, 2019, 08:05:15 AM
Really? Iíve been flying to and from a Kyiv for the last 10 years and have never seen a fare like that.
Link please.

Stockholm  - Kyiv  - Stockholm - $44  :clapping:

IF you book a couple of months ahead (RyanAir)
Title: Re: New guy here! Stumbled upon you all by accident
Post by: John Gaunt on January 22, 2019, 08:07:20 AM
Stockholm  - Kyiv  - Stockholm - $44  :clapping:

IF you book a couple of months ahead (RyanAir)
I never look at Ryanair. Never fly with them as a matter of principle.
Title: Re: New guy here! Stumbled upon you all by accident
Post by: Jamesukjames on January 22, 2019, 08:25:31 AM
I also pay 250 $  Heathrow Kiev.  I get more leg room that's all with ba
Title: Re: New guy here! Stumbled upon you all by accident
Post by: Jamesukjames on January 22, 2019, 08:27:52 AM
Ok nightwish point taken so pay per letter is an agreed no no.  Which pay monthly do you recommend
Title: Re: New guy here! Stumbled upon you all by accident
Post by: Jamesukjames on January 22, 2019, 08:33:31 AM
John open doors.  Throw grenade through window.  Wait for bang .  Kick in door.  Do the business.      Oh you're talking dating .  No idea mate go with the flow I guess.
Title: Re: New guy here! Stumbled upon you all by accident
Post by: krimster2 on January 22, 2019, 08:42:43 AM
when I first flew to Kyiv, it was a 19 hr flight from San Francisco
you guys who live in the UK and your 4-5 hr flying time + 5 weeks of vacation time
long holidays, etc should be the first in line when it comes to scoring in Ukraine!

but youíre not!

Americans rule!
Brits drool!

just like what my late father told me it was like during WWII when he was stationed in the UK
I feel sad for you guys...

whole lotta schadenfreude goin on

I also find it amusing that you seem to think that because you know how to use a dating app, you know how to date...

ultimately, success or failure, all depends on how much you know
there is no substitute ďfor being thereĒ
everything else is just an illusion that someone is trying to sell you
and that youíre all too eager to buy...

guys who are wage slaves and get their 2 weeks paid vacation + christmas
go the social media route and promote yourself
guys who can afford it, go take a 6 month sabbatical in Ukraine
if you feel comfortable driving there (it takes getting used to!)
rent a high end sports car and go cruising the villages that are outside a major city
ask locals where the ďdoma KulturaĒ is and go there on a Saturday night
place will be overflowing with stunning babes with a bunch of dumb looking local guys
bust a move on the dance floor and you will be the center of attention
just pick a babe and dance with her and kick back a few vodkas with her and her girl friends
and then take them all back to your apartment for the real fun
Slovo!

Title: Re: New guy here! Stumbled upon you all by accident
Post by: Nightwish on January 22, 2019, 09:04:53 AM
Ok nightwish point taken so pay per letter is an agreed no no.  Which pay monthly do you recommend

I was for a while a member on cuteonly and there is where I met my first girlfriend and made many good friends, but I am not saying one is better then the other, I had no problem getting dates with boots on the ground, approaching women "on the street" in everyday situations, but for a newbie I would recommend that one and dmnotify that I heard a lot of good about. I think I was am member there also in my very beginning.
Title: Re: New guy here! Stumbled upon you all by accident
Post by: Jamesukjames on January 22, 2019, 09:06:51 AM
Krim usa has a10 s  we brits have learned to fear your awesome firepower and reserve pilots.
Title: Re: New guy here! Stumbled upon you all by accident
Post by: Jamesukjames on January 22, 2019, 09:10:11 AM
Plus krim UK stag dos are not doing brits reputation  much good in Kiev so it's better to get to the town's away from kiev
Title: Re: New guy here! Stumbled upon you all by accident
Post by: krimster2 on January 22, 2019, 09:28:34 AM
"Krim usa has a10 s  we brits have learned to fear your awesome firepower and reserve pilots."

oh yes, but let's not forget the A-10's grandfather, shall we?

de Havilland DH.98 Mosquito

can you imagine that today with turbo-props and TOW missiles
and a computer aimed, optically stabilized gun
composites instead of plywood
Title: Re: New guy here! Stumbled upon you all by accident
Post by: SteveInBoston on January 22, 2019, 10:10:08 AM
I used dmnotify.  They have several names - the one that Ms. T signed up for was called VIPpersonals or some-such, but these other sites are portals for dmnotify.

I signed up for a 3 month membership for about $70.  Within a month had regular communications with about 10 women, which narrowed down to 4 that I continued communicating on Whatsapp/Skype.  3 women were from Russia - Omsk, Moscow and Kaliningrad.  One was from Ukraine - Ms. T.  My search range was women who were 35-45 years old, though Ms Omsk was 32.   

Some women initiated contact with me by sending "winks" - free members could not send unsolicited messages other than emotes - how I met Ms Omsk

Initially I planned to meet Ms Omsk, but after a month of daily communications I noticed some signs that she and I were not compatible.  My online relationship with Ms. T kept getting better and better, so after 3 months I hopped on a plane for $950 to Kiev.  I hit the lottery jackpot in meeting her and we are a couple of weeks away from her coming to the US on a fiance visa.


Read the trip reports here and read the various threads about FSU women to get a general picture of what you will be in for.  Remember that your woman will be unique, and she may or may not correlate to women others have experienced or witnessed.  Definitely read about the scams that you might encounter - that helped me weed out a few women early in my search.


P.S.  Another discount airline is Wizz Air.   London-Luton to Kyiv-Zhulyany,  28 GBP round trip Wed - Wed.  Bit more expensive for weekend departures.  Only caveat is they only operate 3 days a week (on that route).
Title: Re: New guy here! Stumbled upon you all by accident
Post by: jone on January 22, 2019, 10:37:45 AM
A couple of notes from one who has the experience:

1.  If you like someone get on a plane.   Within a month.   I actually took long weekend trips from Los Angeles.   Cost to me for the entire trip was somewhere around $2000.   $950 being the cost of a ticket to Kyiv or Moscow, etc. and the rest spent on hotels, meals, gifts, etc.

2.  We have been throwing around terms about online dating services.  There are three types:  Free (FDating)  Subscription dmnotify/elena's and then PPL or PPC.   This means pay-per-letter and pay-per-chat.   The latter has a lot of window dressing (like a candy store) but the women are mostly there to collect a paycheck - from you!   You pay for the service as you go along so the more letters you write, the more you chat online, the more you pay.   Many of the profiles on these sites are not operated by the woman in the picture, but someone faking to be her.  They may even be Boris!   The reason I use a subscription site is that the subscription sites do a little more to make the match happen.   Better contacts/better information and customer service.   The fee is nominal so it shouldn't be a burden.

The two biggest issues that men have in seeking a partner overseas are time and money.   This is NOT for the faint hearted.  You are essentially doing a blind date 3000 miles away.   There are cultural differences and you are taking a woman away from her home, her family and (sometimes) her profession to create a new life for her.  This is not easy.  However, as some have stated above, the rewards can be tremendous.

The women that you hook up with, in an FSU (Former Soviet Union) country will be generally more into making a family and have traditional views about family roles.   As stated above, if they are 'into you' you will know it.  They will make you the centerpiece of their life. 

As I said above, time and expense.   Even in the best of circumstances, you will be in an overseas relationship for at least a year before she is in your country.   And the cost of doing this is estimated at around $80,000 from one end to the other.   So, as stated before, it is a commitment that does not necessarily bear fruit.

As our friend Bill says:

Udachi.  Which means 'luck' in Russian.   
Title: New guy here! Stumbled upon you all by accident
Post by: 2tallbill on January 22, 2019, 10:41:26 AM
Anyone one who has not been dating in the fsu in 2018 or 2019 is so way out of date they are
dinosaurs about dating.  The old timers can give you trip advice and living together advice.   
Others can give you front line dating advice.

It's boy meets girl, that's been happening since the cavemen stopped dragging
the women off to their caves by their hair.

My father jumped into the back seat of my mothers car when she was stopped at a
stop light. My Great Grandfather walked across the Oregon Trail as a boy, he built up
a successful Ranch and raised plowing horses but there weren't many women in the
West back then, so he had his Catholic priest in Oregon write another Catholic priest
in New Orleans and eventually my Great Grandmother arrived on a stage coach.

I decided to fly to Russia to meet a girl, but it didn't work out so I decided
to meet others while I was there which is how I met my wife Angel Eyes.

What I can't do is tell you which dating site today is the best or most relevant. By the
way my wife was never on a foreign dating site. I met her on a social networking site.

I can explain more about dating women from the FSU than anybody who just started.

Title: Re: New guy here! Stumbled upon you all by accident
Post by: Jamesukjames on January 22, 2019, 10:42:29 AM
Also f s u dating is addictive.  Once you try you can never go back to who you were before.
Title: Re: New guy here! Stumbled upon you all by accident
Post by: 2tallbill on January 22, 2019, 10:45:22 AM
Hey all! Glad to meet you. Happened upon this site by accident and so, here I am.

I recommend that you spend as much time as possible here researching and learning
as much as possible about this endeavor.

Here are a few threads that will help you get started

Pursuing FSUW 101.  The procedures and the dating websites.
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=14615.0


RWD Ten Commandments
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=1740.0


The Free E Book
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?action=ezportal;sa=page;p=47


How I did it
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=3432.0

Udachi !!


Bill
Title: Re: New guy here! Stumbled upon you all by accident
Post by: RevenR on January 22, 2019, 03:15:04 PM
Hello and welcome!
I have not been here on RWD much, but let me chime in. I am a Ukrainian expat with Ukrainian residency. I am currently in the US. First of all you need to decide if this is a venture you really want to complete. Women are women no matter what country they are from. I know many Eastern European women. They are very different and don't let the websites cloud your vision.
It is very easy to meet a woman there, and if you find one be prepared to saddle up and go meet her. You will know if she is "in to you" or not. If she is, you won't be able to rid her once she put her hooks into you.
Do you know that there are many living in the states already? Lonely and ready to met a man of their dream?
If you meet one of these fine ladies, spend some time with her. Not just a week and come home and file a k-1.
Some of my personal experience .....
I am married to a smoking hot Ukrainian woman that is a nympho....every mans dreams :)
We are both over 50 and both professional. There is 13 years difference in age and we have been together for 5 years.
First of all, I would never get rid of her. But life has had its bumps.
Also she grew up in a KGB family.

If you meet one of these woman, go through a argument cycle. They like to argue, but I only have to have my ass handed to me once to figure out do I want to be right, or do I want to be happy.
You can not win...
You can not change a bad idea with a 2x4 to the back of the head...they are stubborn
They don't trust very easy, it will take time.
If there is a problem, my wife will do what ever is needed to fix it. If you need help, she will take off the heels and roll up her sleeves to help out.
The list goes on and on.....Has it been easy...NO, IT TAKES ALOT OF WORK FROM BOTH SIDES.
Would I do it again? HELL YES
Ask around, someone here might be able to introduce one to you...I might be able to, but not sure.
I'll be home in Kyiv late March.
Also you should know this is not easy for them as well. It is difficult for both sides and I can explain further if needed to...
Good luck

I would love to hear more from you sir.
Title: Re: New guy here! Stumbled upon you all by accident
Post by: RevenR on January 22, 2019, 03:24:56 PM
Wonderful advice from you all. I appreciate it. Realistically, I'd assume a nice trip probably wont happen for about... 2 years or so, maybe less. Hearing from some of your experiences is awesome. As I said before, it was me myself and I up until last night haha.

If you all don't mind my asking, how old are majority of you all? I'm curious if I am the youngest one here... at the age of 22. But I'm the youngest and my Dad is 75.
The reason I say at least a couple years off is my salary is only about 50k a year, still got a couple things to buy and pay off before I can just throw money out the window.
Title: Re: New guy here! Stumbled upon you all by accident
Post by: GQBlues on January 22, 2019, 03:51:40 PM
Wonderful advice from you all. I appreciate it. Realistically, I'd assume a nice trip probably wont happen for about... 2 years or so, maybe less. Hearing from some of your experiences is awesome. As I said before, it was me myself and I up until last night haha.

If you all don't mind my asking, how old are majority of you all? I'm curious if I am the youngest one here... at the age of 22. But I'm the youngest and my Dad is 75. The reason I say at least a couple years off is my salary is only about 50k a year, still got a couple things to buy and pay off before I can just throw money out the window.

An old guard dispensed an advise to me which I believe can be handed to you. In light of your original post's content, and the quoted post above, I would tell you now to forget the MOB. It is not for men like you. The MOB is designed for a specific set of men (people). You ain't it. At least not yet. Just as the women on the other side of this, they're for the most part an atypical set of women in their respective societies.

There are more than a few reasons why you're the only 'one' in your social circle you know of that is on this trail. Lastly I will add, at your age, if you're already jaded with the local women...very likely the problem lies with you. You're not 'old' enough to have had it with women living within your zip code much less the entire country.
Title: Re: New guy here! Stumbled upon you all by accident
Post by: RevenR on January 22, 2019, 04:22:21 PM
An old guard dispensed an advise to me which I believe can be handed to you. In light of your original post's content, and the quoted post above, I would tell you now to forget the MOB. It is not for men like you. The MOB is designed for a specific set of men (people). You ain't it. At least not yet. Just as the women on the other side of this, they're for the most part an atypical set of women in their respective societies.

There are more than a few reasons why you're the only 'one' in your social circle you know of that is on this trail. Lastly I will add, at your age, if you're already jaded with the local women...very likely the problem lies with you. You're not 'old' enough to have had it with women living within your zip code much less the entire country.

More like "grass must be greener on the other side of the river" so to speak. As I said before, I've always been head over heels over of Russian/Ukraine. I'm certainly not blind, to see that my generation is dumber than a sack of bricks. The women especially, most of which are thots and whores, especially in the school system which I was lucky enough to avoid completely. The "men" my age are for the most part beta male simps who don't have a mind of there own and bend to the will of anyone but themselves.

One of the reasons why I am here is to see, from you peoples experiences what those women are like. I don't know, maybe they are just as bad as the ones here in the States. Can't be worse though! All the women here are treated like princesses for the past 50 years and it shows.
Title: Re: New guy here! Stumbled upon you all by accident
Post by: GQBlues on January 22, 2019, 04:54:21 PM
More like "grass must be greener on the other side of the river" so to speak. As I said before, I've always been head over heels over of Russian/Ukraine. I'm certainly not blind, to see that my generation is dumber than a sack of bricks. The women especially, most of which are thots and whores, especially in the school system which I was lucky enough to avoid completely. The "men" my age are for the most part beta male simps who don't have a mind of there own and bend to the will of anyone but themselves.

One of the reasons why I am here is to see, from you peoples experiences what those women are like. I don't know, maybe they are just as bad as the ones here in the States. Can't be worse though! All the women here are treated like princesses for the past 50 years and it shows.

Women are women the world over. At your age specially so.

Listen you want to sow your wild oats? More power to you. Do what I did at your age. Bed at least a woman in as many county/state/country as you can. Believe it or not it's a blast! Especially when I was at my university age, I had a map in my room and a few tacks handy. Some already pinned of county/state/countries I had already 'conquered'. Then when I got out of college is when things really went whacked out. I thought that was far more illustrative and compelling than notches on my headboard. Color code by cities/counties/states/countries. Add a crystal tack for the really great ones, etc...

There already are hundreds of thousands of Slavic ladies living in the USA. Many more come to visit. Hit your neighborhood Slavic community i.e. markets, social venues, etc...telling you things by people in the net you do not know is nothing compared to actual experience/s you'll generate on your own.
Title: Re: New guy here! Stumbled upon you all by accident
Post by: rwd123 on January 22, 2019, 08:14:59 PM
Your age makes a huge difference. Forgot about foreign women for now. Instead:

- Focus on increasing your income/savings and developing yourself
- Start taking Russian lessons
- Obtain TESOL certification (or equivalent; assuming you are a university graduate)
- Keep dating locally

When you have the funds for roughly 18+ months living expenses and relocation costs:

- Get yourself an expat job or English teaching job (and visa)
- Move to Russia (or another FSU country)
- Failing that, enroll in a university studying Russian language

It is soooo much easier meeting women when you become a local/expat. Time is more important than money IMO. You'll have plenty of time to meet people and develop relationships, including male acquaintances.

Don't have some delusional view about FSUW. There are cultural differences but women are women. I've dated plenty I never wanted to see again; dishonest, alcoholic, psychologically broken, immature, etc. At your age very few are looking for foreign husbands, and many are not at all ready for marriage.

If you're curious take a holiday for a few weeks and visit a few countries. Believe it or not the best time to go can be early or late winter (November/March), so you can take advantage of low-season flights and accommodation. Befriend Krimster and he may take you under his wing and show you a village or two!

I found it very easy to meet and date hot girls at bars/clubs in my 20s, fun fun times! If I was looking for a wife then I would have missed out on some amazing experiences. So forget marriage, there's just too much living to be had at your age.


Title: Re: New guy here! Stumbled upon you all by accident
Post by: krimster2 on January 22, 2019, 08:31:56 PM
if I were a young feller like yourself, I know 100% what Iíd do!!!!
work hard and live as cheaply as possible for a few yrs and save up $50,000 USD
then apply at Ternopil State Medical University (they teach in English!)
choose an off campus, but walking distance to campus apartment
thousands of beautiful women to choose from
ALL OF WHOM are easily accessible...
pick one that also has culinary ability (most do, but not all)
sheíll be your room mate, you pay for food/rent/utilities and she cooks/cleans

what more could you want???
thereís so many eager, nubile Ukrainian 9s, 10s in a Ukrainian university
bags full of eye candy, all living within walking distance of you....
geezzz, I just slobbered all over my keyboard from the memory...

and btw, your medical degree will transfer to the USA
Title: Re: New guy here! Stumbled upon you all by accident
Post by: ML on January 22, 2019, 09:31:15 PM
and btw, your medical degree will transfer to the USA

No, not true . . . at least not in the simplified way you have presented it.

Most FSU folks who come to USA with medical degree have to virtually complete it again to be able to pass licensing exams.
And they have a lot of trouble trying to get into Internship programs, Residencies, etc.
Title: Re: New guy here! Stumbled upon you all by accident
Post by: krimster2 on January 22, 2019, 10:02:59 PM
"Most FSU folks who come to USA with medical degree have to virtually complete it again to be able to pass licensing exams."

same with any medical degree, only difference with a foreign medical degree is you have one extra test compared to a domestic school
Title: Re: New guy here! Stumbled upon you all by accident
Post by: Jamesukjames on January 23, 2019, 12:51:01 AM
Young revener you are welcome forget what the guys on the way to colostomy bags say there's plenty of younger people on this site.  A Ukrainian medical degree is accepted anywhere outside usa UK and Canada with little retraining in those three countries you will have to retrain almost totally.  Western women will jade  you  fsu women will enlighten  you.  You  have bills to pay but don't put off life.  So take a vacation as soon as possible volunteer in a hospital as I did or teach English maybe for free.  You'll find there are many charities that need your help.   Go work for one they will mentor you look after you and actually make sure you have same age friends of both sexes.  You get to see real life and not mall life.  You'll come back greatfull for your way of life and will have met women who certainly don't exist in your country. 
Title: Re: New guy here! Stumbled upon you all by accident
Post by: Jamesukjames on January 23, 2019, 01:01:15 AM
My 17 son is already jaded by British woman just by having met my f s u partners.  Unlike gqblues I'm not a notch collector it just ended up that way.
Title: Re: New guy here! Stumbled upon you all by accident
Post by: Jamesukjames on January 23, 2019, 02:13:08 AM
There's a usa guy teaching English in Ukraine and all the hot mum's are sending their single friends and sisters to pick up their kids.  Word gets about fast in little town's.   Deecember 2018
Title: Re: New guy here! Stumbled upon you all by accident
Post by: oso on January 23, 2019, 07:05:38 AM
I don't want to burst your bubble here, but your age and experience will be a huge problem in your venture.
If you can't get a date from your sister, you will never get a date from one of these women without getting chewed up.
At my daughters graduation they were asked what they would do with there diploma....90% of them answered they would use it to get a wealthy man.
My step daughter is 24, I would never date her...She is spoiled, lazy and self centered. Her friends are the same way. The slavic values seem to be lost in the new generation.
Slovic women want there men to be strong, to make decisions and lead. They are very direct and have strong opinions.
I might be the "head of the house" but my wife is the neck that supports that head.
You actually have to train your wife....mine is still in training, and will be for many years.
Foreign relationships are very hard but rewarding. If you think you want to go down this path, maybe consider a different area in the world to look.
Believe me, (and I don't want to hurt your feelings) you are not ready to meet a slavic lady.
Most guys that are married to these women are kinda passive, fun and successful in life.
There are not many in your age group that are serious in marriage to a foreign person.
sorry
Title: Re: New guy here! Stumbled upon you all by accident
Post by: msmob on January 23, 2019, 07:51:58 AM

Most guys that are married to these women are kinda passive, fun and successful in life.


I do not fit two of those criteria and I think you are totally generalisating ! ...Based on the guys and the partners I've met
Title: Re: New guy here! Stumbled upon you all by accident
Post by: John Gaunt on January 23, 2019, 08:13:23 AM
I do not fit two of those criteria and I think you are totally generalisating ! ...Based on the guys and the partners I've met
Thatís the first truthful thing youíve ever said.  :clapping:

Youíre no fun and very unsuccessful. 
Title: Re: New guy here! Stumbled upon you all by accident
Post by: Jamesukjames on January 23, 2019, 09:01:01 AM
Don't listen ...nurses and doctors by their natures tend to be caring as are school run mum's who will hook you up with their unmarried friends.  Meet them in a mall lose them in a mall.  Meet them in a bar lose them in a bar.
Title: Re: New guy here! Stumbled upon you all by accident
Post by: Jamesukjames on January 23, 2019, 09:10:29 AM
In belarus and Ukraine I have spoken to plenty of 20s girls who want to live an old fashioned life of caring for a hard working man.  I've dated early 30s with a child.   So as to the realities of dating 20s I'm not sure.  There's plenty of village mum's still giving out the advice my great grandmother gave my grandmother on marriage. 
Title: Re: New guy here! Stumbled upon you all by accident
Post by: ML on January 23, 2019, 10:35:50 AM
"Most FSU folks who come to USA with medical degree have to virtually complete it again to be able to pass licensing exams."

same with any medical degree, only difference with a foreign medical degree is you have one extra test compared to a domestic school

Krim, you mis-read my message.

It is not just the one extra test the foreigners must take.

It is that they usually have to almost completely repeat their medical coursework.
Talking 3-4 years here.

Check with Muzh who used to post here as his wife was in this situation.

Boe (and others), do you remember the situation for Muzh's wife?
Title: Re: New guy here! Stumbled upon you all by accident
Post by: GenMish on January 23, 2019, 10:49:02 AM
Krim, you mis-read my message.

It is not just the one extra test the foreigners must take.

It is that they usually have to almost completely repeat their medical coursework.
Talking 3-4 years here.

Check with Muzh who used to post here as his wife was in this situation.

Boe (and others), do you remember the situation for Muzh's wife?


There are some Ukrainian Medical Schools accredited with the USMLE. Graduates from those schools can apply with the USMLE and do not have to take extra course work, but they have to pass 2 or 3 exams THEN get accepted into a Medical Residency spot. I know a man that married such an Ukranian Grad. Passing the exams was hard, but she couldnt get into a residency spot for years

Once they are residents, then States might ask for extra course work to receive a States License. In the person I spoke about, she had to complete 6 months of extra course work, but there were plenty of other States she could have practiced in without extra work
Title: Re: New guy here! Stumbled upon you all by accident
Post by: Boethius on January 23, 2019, 12:04:22 PM
Krim, you mis-read my message.

It is not just the one extra test the foreigners must take.

It is that they usually have to almost completely repeat their medical coursework.
Talking 3-4 years here.

Check with Muzh who used to post here as his wife was in this situation.

Boe (and others), do you remember the situation for Muzh's wife?

Yes.  She would have had to have taken a few courses, I believe, and do a residency, which was multiple years, and residents work insane hours.  She didn't want to do that, as she wanted a child and family life.  So, Muzh's wife took a medical related job that she's happy in, and has more regular work hours.

In Canada, each province controls regulation of physicians.  I know one of the doctors on the board here.  He said they look at the medical school, how long the physician practiced, what courses they need to upgrade, and then help them find residencies, which are very competitive (with local graduates).  The foreign physician must complete the residency, which does have a sort of pass/fail aspect. 

Some schools are not accepted as credible here, and schools in Ukraine are included in that.  It's not because the schools are bad but rather, because so many degrees coming from those schools are fake, and there's no easy way to prove that.  Of course, if a student with a fake degree tries a residency, he/she will fail, meaning someone else lost that opportunity.  Polish degrees are accepted here, there are a lot of Polish physicians here.  My son's physician is from Libya, educated there.

Physicians from US schools, who were board certified in the US (rare here, but it happens), UK physicians, South African physicians are accepted immediately, no need to do a residency.  There are probably other countries I'm missing.

This post was composed without the aid of google.
Title: Re: New guy here! Stumbled upon you all by accident
Post by: Boethius on January 23, 2019, 12:11:39 PM
In belarus and Ukraine I have spoken to plenty of 20s girls who want to live an old fashioned life of caring for a hard working man.  I've dated early 30s with a child.   So as to the realities of dating 20s I'm not sure.  There's plenty of village mum's still giving out the advice my great grandmother gave my grandmother on marriage.


They are telling you what you want to hear.  Relatively few UW in their twenties and thirties don't want to work.  I suspect it's the same in Belarus, but you could ask pitbull, as she is a Belarussian woman.


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Title: Re: New guy here! Stumbled upon you all by accident
Post by: RevenR on January 23, 2019, 06:27:26 PM
This is all super interesting stuff to read.
Title: Re: New guy here! Stumbled upon you all by accident
Post by: Jamesukjames on January 23, 2019, 07:11:20 PM
Boethius I didn't say they didn't want to work.  I meant they are more keen to partner up and have an old style relationship rather than the modern feminist version.
Title: Re: New guy here! Stumbled upon you all by accident
Post by: krimster2 on January 23, 2019, 08:03:03 PM
"but you could ask pitbull,"

no, no, I beg you, don't mention her name or she'll.....
Title: Re: New guy here! Stumbled upon you all by accident
Post by: Jamesukjames on January 24, 2019, 02:45:35 AM
Boethius I've also met plenty of single 20s who love playing aunt to older sisters child.  A major difference to UK is single mothers is belarus tend to be back with their mothers after divorce.  So 3 generations  living together in apartment.  The spoilt brats are dollar funded nor rubel or hyverna funded.
Title: Re: New guy here! Stumbled upon you all by accident
Post by: Jamesukjames on January 24, 2019, 02:57:57 AM
Revener I have friends and work colleagues your age successfully  married to Belarus women  your age.  They have the neatest cleanest apartments because these women stand for nothing less.  Everywhere you go you will be taking hundreds of possed photos of your wife who looks like a model.  Socially she will behave perfectly and sex will be the best .  This is a sample 4 of 4.  The guys are all Latvian Russians.  These guys are all similar hard working competent take no bull from their wives but support their wives .  Also another man taking too much interest in their wives has a death wish the guys will consider the consequences afterwards.
Title: Re: New guy here! Stumbled upon you all by accident
Post by: msmob on January 24, 2019, 04:17:20 AM
Revener I have friends and work colleagues your age successfully  married to Belarus women  your age.  They have the neatest cleanest apartments because these women stand for nothing less.  Everywhere you go you will be taking hundreds of possed photos of your wife who looks like a model.  Socially she will behave perfectly and sex will be the best .  This is a sample 4 of 4.  The guys are all Latvian Russians.  These guys are all similar hard working competent take no bull from their wives but support their wives .  Also another man taking too much interest in their wives has a death wish the guys will consider the consequences afterwards.

Wow, you did it AGAIN with your generalisations

I have lovely Latvian clients who live in the UK with FOUR dogs and the dogs rule and dog hairs are EVERYWHERE

 
Title: Re: New guy here! Stumbled upon you all by accident
Post by: Jamesukjames on January 24, 2019, 04:26:41 AM
I was quite specific I know 4 guys of that age living in the UK well enough to comment thats not a genrelisation thats a specific.  MSMOB you do have some useful information but you are also a wind up troll.
Title: Re: New guy here! Stumbled upon you all by accident
Post by: Jamesukjames on January 24, 2019, 04:42:51 AM
I know 5 single mothers from Belarus on a friendship level as in I've been to their apartments and met their families and I've socialised with work colleagues in Minsk.  I've also internet dated in Ukraine 2 women.  I don't claim to be an expert .  Can only comment on those I've met.  Oh and one little dog.  I'll try not to generalise msmob.
Title: Re: New guy here! Stumbled upon you all by accident
Post by: msmob on January 24, 2019, 05:03:18 AM
I was quite specific I know 4 guys of that age living in the UK well enough to comment thats not a genrelisation thats a specific.  MSMOB you do have some useful information but you are also a wind up troll.

James

Thanks!

I'm not the chap who makes daft claims re the veracity of info I've posted - then ducks the opportunity to be gracious and admit a mistake on your part ;)

I shared my life with a  Latvian Russian lady for 3 years in Cyprus - She was neither fastidiously messy or tidy - her friend - from another city was v.tidy. 

You are prone to making generalised  statements and within weeks admitting you were mistaken

I believe your comment as to tidiness of Latvian Russians was yet another example... 

I know 5 single mothers from Belarus on a friendship level as in I've been to their apartments and met their families and I've socialised with work colleagues in Minsk.  I've also internet dated in Ukraine 2 women.  I don't claim to be an expert .  Can only comment on those I've met.  Oh and one little dog.  I'll try not to generalise msmob.

1/ I'm not the one who IS generalising

2/ In the last 17 years I've spent 15 of them sharing my life with eth Russian women... None were intrinsically messy - but all three weren't compulsive cleaners. I have been in apartments / homes in Poland, Belarus, Latvia, Lithuania, Ukraine and Russia ( 14 cities from Moscow, Piter, Sochi, Krasnoyarsk, Novosibirsk, Volgograd, Novorossiysk, Krasnodar. etc.,)

3/ That said - most RU folk I know would blitz a house if a new guest was coming and when SC gets on her tidy head - I head for the hills  - as she hates cleaning but suddenly hates a mess ))

So, I've seen the inside off hundreds of eth Russians' places in the FSU and in the west and you ARE generalising

Yes I've been played twice in Ukraine and led a dance 2 out of 2 but the Ukrainian accent is like a sirens call to the rocks

I'll leave Boethius to burst your bubble on this latest of your nonsense on 'accents of Russia/ Ukraine ' ....save to say .. I disagree  - strongly - with your contention ... I think you are repeating someone you respect's 'viewpoint' - rather than fact

Edited to add:

http://tinyurl.com/ru-accents (http://tinyurl.com/ru-accents)















Title: Re: New guy here! Stumbled upon you all by accident
Post by: Jamesukjames on January 24, 2019, 05:25:33 AM
Before we get distracted my main point is a guy of 25 from the USA is quite suitable for f s u dating and should not be dissuaded from doing so.  I wish I had.  MSMOB if you were younger and still actively hunting you would reach the same conclusions.  Let's face it you don't seem to have dated many UK women in the last decade or 2.
Title: Re: New guy here! Stumbled upon you all by accident
Post by: Jamesukjames on January 24, 2019, 05:34:54 AM
MSMOB you get too excited my comment was on Belarusian tidyness.  The Latvian russian males were living bachelor lives when I first met them.  Pizza boxes  on the kitchen table.  Odd empty beer bottle.  Unmown grass and bbqs until 2am.  Now they are all married to belarussians from Minsk their houses are immaculate.
Title: Re: New guy here! Stumbled upon you all by accident
Post by: Nightwish on January 24, 2019, 05:40:12 AM
MSMOB you get too excited my comment was on Belarusian tidyness.  The Latvian russian males were living bachelor lives when I first met them.  Pizza boxes  on the kitchen table.  Odd empty beer bottle.  Unmown grass and bbqs until 2am.  Now they are all married to belarussians from Minsk their houses are immaculate.

I live next door to a Belarussian couple who moved in here about 2 years ago (mid 40:s), never seen someone that can live in such mess as they are, not dirty, but extremely messy house and frontyard.

so by my calculations, all Belarussians are messy folks - if I used your way of generalizing. 
Title: Re: New guy here! Stumbled upon you all by accident
Post by: msmob on January 24, 2019, 06:56:45 AM
MSMOB if you were younger and still actively hunting you would reach the same conclusions.  Let's face it you don't seem to have dated many UK women in the last decade or 2.

From 2012-14....What do imagine I was doing ? ......   :wallbash:





Title: Re: New guy here! Stumbled upon you all by accident
Post by: Jamesukjames on January 24, 2019, 07:16:30 AM
So 5 years out of date ))))
Title: Re: New guy here! Stumbled upon you all by accident
Post by: msmob on January 24, 2019, 07:56:22 AM
So 5 years out of date ))))


I point this out quite regularly, but I was picking up up on local habits and accents..


Title: Re: New guy here! Stumbled upon you all by accident
Post by: GenMish on January 24, 2019, 10:10:23 AM
Just touching on the few that mention the obsessive compulsiveness for cleanliness. OH YES! In fact, that is one of the things I miss. All my clothes were perfectly ironed, house was always spotless, garden was perfect, dinner table was a 5 star restaurant. Whenever we sold a house, the RE Agents would ask what service staged and cleaned the home. They couldn't believe it was one person

Like Krimster said, they get it from their mothers. In fact my wife would call twice a week with her report card on all that was done
Title: Re: New guy here! Stumbled upon you all by accident
Post by: Boethius on January 24, 2019, 11:38:04 AM
To OP - I am old enough to be your mother, my children are close to your age.  Your father is my father's age, so quite a generational divide there. 

With respect, I think you are too young to be pursuing this.  Finish your education (if you haven't) and establish a career.  Then go look abroad. 

This post was composed without the aid of google.
Title: Re: New guy here! Stumbled upon you all by accident
Post by: GQBlues on January 24, 2019, 11:48:59 AM
Just touching on the few that mention the obsessive compulsiveness for cleanliness. OH YES! In fact, that is one of the things I miss. All my clothes were perfectly ironed, house was always spotless, garden was perfect, dinner table was a 5 star restaurant. Whenever we sold a house, the RE Agents would ask what service staged and cleaned the home. They couldn't believe it was one person

Like Krimster said, they get it from their mothers. In fact my wife would call twice a week with her report card on all that was done

Sure. Living in a typical 500 SF apartments resided by at least 2 generations with of 4-5 persons, and FWIW, in a country with not much to do. But that's true anywhere. The barometer of this oxymoronic view is, all one have to do is take stroll on an average neighborhood and look around you and tell me how 'clean' they really are - collectively as a society.

I remember looking over the river in St Petersburg by Hermitage and embedded along the mud-covered banks are strewn with litter, bottles and garbage. No different than Pasig river in Manila and in many places in 3rd world countries. In the US, such sights can be found in places like the ghettos.
Title: Re: New guy here! Stumbled upon you all by accident
Post by: Jamesukjames on January 24, 2019, 12:00:56 PM
Boethius  interestingly the 3 Ukrainians I met had their own apartments.  The 5 Belarusians were back at their mothers apartments in minsk. 
Title: Re: New guy here! Stumbled upon you all by accident
Post by: Boethius on January 24, 2019, 12:09:00 PM
But that doesn't mean all women move back to their mothers.  It could be that the apartment belonged to the husband, or that it's bigger, and the women don't have access to their own apartments.

My SIL moved back in with my in laws when she left her alcoholic husband.  It wasn't out of choice.

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Title: Re: New guy here! Stumbled upon you all by accident
Post by: Jamesukjames on January 24, 2019, 01:05:32 PM
One of the problems is funding of medical conferences in the Ukraine as doctors can no longer fly in from russia
Title: Re: New guy here! Stumbled upon you all by accident
Post by: krimster2 on January 24, 2019, 01:25:03 PM
dewd,

donít fall for her demure demeanor
the modest, shy girl routine

she went to Ukraine to score just like WE DID, horrosho, ponelle?

jeez, clever girl, I imagine that her only other potential partners were goofy Canadian farm boys, eh?  and we all know there a buncha beer swillin hosers!!!




oh NO BO!!!  you said her name a second time!!!!!

I beg you, please do not repeat it again, you know what will happen if you say HER name a THIRD time, it has been foretold by the prophets in all the old legends!!!!! 
crap! where's my talisman?


 
Title: Re: New guy here! Stumbled upon you all by accident
Post by: Cameraguy on January 24, 2019, 01:42:00 PM
Quote
Now, the FSUW who posts here occasionally who is definitely a feminist is ******- she is a native of Minsk, and absolutely brilliant.  She built a career in the West, and has children.  She also has posted she has a cleaning lady, because she hates cleaning.

I will not speak of the canine monikered one who's name must not be uttered.

But this is further proof that all RW/UW are not the same.

My experience is that most of them are very interested in working and a well-paying career, if for no other reason that they value independence and helping their family both in the West and FSU.
Title: Re: New guy here! Stumbled upon you all by accident
Post by: SteveInBoston on January 24, 2019, 01:51:24 PM
So...

Either FSUW are gorgeous pinups who are hard-working, maternal, traditional, cooks, cleans, wears skimpy lingerie at home, dress to the 10's when going out, and service their boyfriends/husbands 24/7.

Or...

They are actual women. 

RevenR,

It seems you have a strong desire to see if the grass is greener on the other side, no matter our opinions. So, as some have suggested, instead of looking for a wife or long term partner on-line make a plan to go over there long term.  Decide on a date one, two, or more years from now and work on saving as much as you can.  Minimize your expenses now. 

Pick a country and a homebase city and do some research on it.  Maybe meet people online as friends to have someone to visit.   Enroll in a university there to learn the language, teach english, or just travel.  Take cheap flights to other countries.  Arts festival in Avignon, the Fringe festival in Edinburgh, San Fermin and La Tomatina in Spain, go surfboarding in Baleal Portugal, beach party with college kids in Corfu or Ios Greece, skiing/paragliding/white water rafting/canyoneering in Interlaken Switzerland...

There are so many things to do and explore.
Title: Re: New guy here! Stumbled upon you all by accident
Post by: Jamesukjames on January 24, 2019, 02:04:55 PM
Its the first of Steve's versions
Title: Re: New guy here! Stumbled upon you all by accident
Post by: ML on January 24, 2019, 02:25:26 PM
Don't know how my UW is classified.

She is willing to do virtually 100% of the work both inside and outside the house.
(She has virtually unlimited energy and good spirits.)
She even insists on trying to split firewood.

She is quite driven to succeed academically and professionally, and doesn't want to rely on anyone to take care of her.

She refuses to even consider just staying home as a housewife, even as she does everything that a 100% housewife would do.  She does allow me to put laundry in washer and dryer; but if she catches me trying to cook something (except for my special sexy meals which she thinks are super wonderful), do some ironing, make up the bed, etc., . . . she quickly intervenes.

She does not hate or envy men and does not feel that she has suffered personally or professionally  from men.

She has an excellent relationship with her own father and with men relatives and family friends, male faculty, etc.

She quite welcomes any compliment from men; yet does not dress or act in an extreme manner to try to elicit such.  Except she does dress to look quite stunning when she is with me for 'protection.'

Just recently while walking up the stairs (she never uses elevators) at University, an older professor noted that was probably how she kept her shape.  Many women would immediately file a complaint.

When she views feminist actions, statements, etc., on TV . . . she is astounded and thinks they are idiots.
Title: New guy here! Stumbled upon you all by accident
Post by: 2tallbill on January 25, 2019, 02:31:26 PM
Don't know how my UW is classified.

Luckily for everyone, I am here to answer that.
What you have is: A Good Girl (see below for more)

You found an excellent woman who is a match for you and your personality
as did I. Eastern Europe has many excellent women, the question for the newbies
is how to find them, how to identify them and what to do when you do.

My answer for the first of my questions is that you have to kiss a lot of f#cking frogs to
find the princess.

Your UW is classified as: A Good Girl

Furthermore she is/has:
1. Mutual chemistry, you are hot for each others bones
2. A personality fit for you, she might drive someone else nuts
but she is a fit for you.


That's the gold standard, the dream, the quest, what drives us to get on a plane.
What you want newbies is a good girl. Reject 100% of all girls who are not good
girls. Then you look for mutual chemistry and a personality fit. OR if you meet
many you first find mutual chemistry while always making sure that she is a
good girl. Then you find out if you are a personality match.

That's my two kopecks,

Bill
Title: Re: New guy here! Stumbled upon you all by accident
Post by: 2tallbill on January 25, 2019, 02:55:42 PM
"but you could ask pitbull,"

no, no, I beg you, don't mention her name or she'll.....

That made me laugh a bit.

Our Pitbull can occasionally react aggressively, but if asked an honest question,
she will generally give you her honest answer. If you ask disrespectfully or
demeaningly or it's a really stupid question, then you find out why her
nickname isn't Fluffy rainbow sunshine girl, which is probably too long
for a moniker anyway.

Title: Re: New guy here! Stumbled upon you all by accident
Post by: ML on February 13, 2019, 09:25:46 PM
Luckily for everyone, I am here to answer that.
What you have is: A Good Girl (see below for more)

You found an excellent woman who is a match for you and your personality
as did I. Eastern Europe has many excellent women, the question for the newbies
is how to find them, how to identify them and what to do when you do.

My answer for the first of my questions is that you have to kiss a lot of f#cking frogs to
find the princess.

Your UW is classified as: A Good Girl

Furthermore she is/has:
1. Mutual chemistry, you are hot for each others bones
2. A personality fit for you, she might drive someone else nuts
but she is a fit for you.


That's the gold standard, the dream, the quest, what drives us to get on a plane.
What you want newbies is a good girl. Reject 100% of all girls who are not good
girls. Then you look for mutual chemistry and a personality fit. OR if you meet
many you first find mutual chemistry while always making sure that she is a
good girl. Then you find out if you are a personality match.

That's my two kopecks,

Bill

Thanks Big Bill.
Title: Re: New guy here! Stumbled upon you all by accident
Post by: msmob on February 13, 2019, 11:43:32 PM

She quite welcomes any compliment from men; yet does not dress or act in an extreme manner to try to elicit such. 

SC says that prefers compliments from ladies and says she has always dressed to please herself....))
Title: New guy here! Stumbled upon you all by accident
Post by: 2tallbill on February 23, 2019, 02:37:59 PM
She was neither fastidiously messy or tidy - her friend - from another city was v.tidy. 

I agree,

The cool thing about women from the FSU is that there is EVERYTHING.

There are girls who can play 7 different instruments and sing like a an Angel
and then there are girls who cause the neighbors dog to cry when they sing
along to a song on MTV and couldn't play the tambourine. 

There are girls who are top flight mathematicians that do stochastic processes
in their heads and then there are girls who have to take off their shoes to count
to 20.

There are girls who can cook gourmet meals out of scraps found in your refrigerator
and their are girls who use the smoke alarm as a food timer. There are girls who would
never dream of taking something from others and there are girls who will happily harvest
your organs for a new pair of boots. 

Can you make some generalities? Probably, but you will find plenty of exceptions if you look. 

My advice for the guys who aren't married is to figure out what you want, then find a girl
like that and above all find a girl who is honest and sincere.