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Title: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: Trenchcoat on May 23, 2019, 03:40:57 AM
Only so I've recently returned from my trip to Kiev. I had 3 full days there which was spent looking into other techniques that could be used in a search for a UW, getting more familiar with their culture, finding my way around Kiev better and getting in the odd but of sightseeing. The sightseeing was mainly a visit to the Golden Gate which I had not been inside before just passed by on a tourist at bus and just the usual walk up the Main Street to Maidan Square and back as well as some time on the underground.

I'll say upfront the cost savings on the train & underground network are breathtakingly wonderful compared with back home. In Kiev it costs about 20-30p to go on a single trip where ever on the tube, back home in London your talking about a tenner for a return tube ticket to a stop just 5 or 6 stops away!

The new train service from Borispol Airport was good also. It's just a one carriage train with a driver cabin at front and back. Just about enough room now without it being too cramped but I think they may have to enlarge that in the future. I had to walk around to it from what In guessing is the old terminal building, Terminal F. I usually arrive at the new terminal building but since my plane was from London Stansted and not London Gatwick or Heathrow this was not so. Anyway the ticket was only 80 ghrivna single journey so dirt cheap, which works out about £2.50-3.00 UK money. Again going 13 miles on a train in the UK would cost a lot more than that. Last time I used a Taxi for the Journey from Borispol to Kiev it was 800 ghrivna, so much better going by train as I've always found those taxi drivers a weird lot so nice to be able to avoid and save money too! Only downside there is no card payment machines for the train ticket. There is some booth on the station but for some reason I had to go inside the new terminal building to get the ticket instead.

Anyway, now for my findings on the UW situation in Kiev...
Title: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: msmob on May 23, 2019, 04:11:13 AM
So, Kyiv is 'expensive' compared to say Tbilisi))

It's 15 pence for the metro and the bus from the airport ( south of the city)  to our apartment ..way to the north, costs ...15 pence.. as one can change transport method within 60 mins..

A 20 minute taxi ride costs 2 to 3 Pounds with Yandex / Bolt apps.

Indeed, we are all 'gagging' to hear how your tip up and wander around parks works out !.
Title: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: Trenchcoat on May 23, 2019, 04:25:55 AM
...Ok, so I'll say up front here for me I don't think Kiev is the likely place to find a UW. The city centre location is full of amazingly beautiful women more so than any city back home. I would say a figure of at least 50 percent if not way higher of the women I saw when looking about were real hot chicks, some super hot. It was a breathtaking site to see, most looked like doubles of film or pop star type of girls you would see in the west, Selena Gomez, etc type of pretty girls, but loads of them. Many do indeed seem to be clones of each other too, you can clearly see the influence of Viking, Mongolian, Tatar and Cossack repeated across the city in the girls. Now a blonde would look different to s dark haired girl but two darker haired girls or two blondes could look the same whilst not being from directly the same family. So you could walk down the street and see one then see an almost exactly same looking girl just a few hundred metres or so away. I've seen a similar result in other Ukrainian cities. I must say at this juncture that I find Ukrainian girl the most beautiful in all of the FSU. Of course there are a few girls around who are less pretty but most are astoundingly hot.

So having seen all these beautiful women I wanted one, only problem was I wasn't getting much traction. They wouldn't look away as such but I didn't get any cone on eye contact wise from any of them. Two reasons I think for this, one, Kiev is s large city and like London strangers tend not to make eye contact, I notice one girl didn't notice this women that obviously new her stopping and making opening gestures until she was right upon her. Secondly, there seems to be plenty of wealth in Kiev City Centre, its the wealthiest part of Ukraine with pargeps only Odessa City Centre as another wealthy alternative. As such though the girls aren't eager to hunt down a guy at least not any old guy. The local young guys are smartly dressed in casual coloured cotton shirts (not work shirts) and coloured chinos or similar and many of those pretty girls can be seen dating them. So a lot of Kiev girls are not out to find a foreign guy. Now someone exceptionally wealthy or talented like our Krim is the type that would have no problem in Kiev, but for me a more provincial city would suit as I don't have what Kiev girls would be looking for. There are of course exceptions to this but in the main me searching for a girl in Kiev would be a tough act and less likely to pay off.

However, it was not a wasted journey and I'm not saying that to save face. I learnt more stuff as a result of going and on how differing techniques may be used. All of this stuff can be better deployed in a more provincial city in Ukraine, depending on the city of course.

The other main thing I found in Kiev is that there is now a lot of English wording around. Not only that but a lot of the Kiev girls in particular wear tops with English on them. I think it's the current fashion out there along with skirts that zip up at the front oh err, lol. If anything though along with US & UK tourists I would say English is becoming too everyday, many more seem to speak it there now and English culture is on the verge of taking over. That's a great shame and of course decreases an English guys value a lot to the point where  the English foreigner advantage is all but lost. I out a lot of this down to Ukraine's deal with the EU, so another city they have messed up for us. Still, I think provincial cities in the rest of Ukraine would still be ok. Other thing to state is that I did not call up girls of dating sites for this, yes of course I could have done but I wanted to look into other methods. I've no doubt using dating sites would still work but I'm doubtful I would find what Im looking for in Kiev and vice versa. I think other smaller provincial cities in Ukraine could do it for me and I'll try a range of methods on my next attempt there including going in initially with the dating site method.
Title: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: msmob on May 23, 2019, 04:54:56 AM
As expected lots of excuses and Bollox conclusions for abject failure..

Ukrainians have no rights to travel to the UK, Ireland ..so which English speaking nation are they visiting?

Are you now suggesting the French German, etc.a guys have an advantage ? Probably so?


Turning up with no planned meets was your mistake..

Any idiot can see this..

So much for your 'advice' that Kyiv is not recommended.

You are  even more clueless than guys who haven't got on the plane.  At least they know there is no point in turning up and expecting dates...

Sorry, Trench. You were told..You are a prize Muppet..((

When will you start to listen and learn?
Title: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: Trenchcoat on May 23, 2019, 05:36:13 AM
As expected lots of excuses and Bollox conclusions for abject failure..

Ukrainians have no rights to travel to the UK, Ireland ..so which English speaking nation are they visiting?

Are you now suggesting the French German, etc.a guys have an advantage ? Probably so?


Turning up with no planned meets was your mistake..

Any idiot can see this..

So much for your 'advice' that Kyiv is not recommended.

You are  even more clueless than guys who haven't got on the plane.  At least they know there is no point in turning up and expecting dates...

Sorry, Trench. You were told..You are a prize Muppet..((

When will you start to listen and learn?

It's not just about getting dates Mobers it's about getting dates with girls who are into me. It's also about understanding the culture and that of course takes time and visiting and observing the culture.

I've learnt a lot in that trip off a few days that can be put to use in further trips elsewhere in Ukraine.

Only a few Ukrainians will be able to visit the UK, such as those that were on the plane with me, mostly the more middle aged crowd, reasonably wealthy etc. I'm talking about the import of clothes with English slogans and brands from the EU because of their trade deal and possibly some knock offs in Ukraine. Plus of course loads of UK and US tourists visiting. I heard a fair few US accents while over there, youngish US guys, etc. Ukrainian girls were not running over to them to worship them, nor where they knocking about it getting any attention from Ukrainian girls.

The more English speaking people there the more it becomes everyday, the less value a UK guy will have.

Strange as it now sounds but I'm probably looking more to less frequented English areas. I was able to use a bit of the Russian I learned there and it's something I would like to build upon. I'm getting better at it now and will be learning more. For me it's one area I see as paying off. I can't do the wealthy guy thing outright but I'm feeling that knowing Russian is helping to close the gap.
Title: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: Trenchcoat on May 23, 2019, 05:44:59 AM
Also important to note that a lot off black is not really the colour to wear out there. Not unless you're going to the theatre or some very top restaurant in a suit or something.

Most Ukrainian guys wear any colour and also white but black very little to none.

The odd guy I saw wearing black as casual did look very weird, particularly so the more black they wore. Saw a couple of US youngish guys wearing black t shirts and a guy wearing completely black, might have been local. They stood out not in a good way I think. Walking through Marinsky Park one evening and all the local young couples of boys & girls were out sat on benches, none were wearing black, all coloured stuff.

Interestingly it was the evening before the President's Inauguration so done Police were at the top end surrounding the Palace so their presence didn't really make it ideal for me on that occasion.
Title: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: Trenchcoat on May 23, 2019, 08:19:18 AM
Thing to add is that if a WM were to get one of those many pretty girls I saw walking around Kiev unless she was real into him or he chose to live there with her any long time away would likely mean that she would end up getting it on with a local young guy out there.

In more provincial cities, more so the not so wealthy ones the availability is no doubt less which is important in first getting a girl and then keeping her.

To answer the wealth question brought up in another thread I think as far as Kiev City Centre is concerned no there no wealth problem there. I don't think  Ukrainians do much clothes shopping there, most no doubt go to places outside the city centre to shop for clothes. Beyond groceries there was not a lot of Ukrainians shopping in central Kiev.

Other places in Ukraine are no doubt poorer particularly where little industry exists to bring money in. That said of course it is of course possible to live comfortably in many places even if not that we wealthy.

The girls I saw in Kiev I didn't get the impression would be motivated to look/get with a WM. Most looked very glamazon like and would probably only consider a very wealthy man if a WM at all or one they were instantly attracted to perhaps but that would probably be unlikely. I think if a guy wasn't wealthy and looking in Kiev he would need to go to the outskirts and look way down the looks level, as 5 or less perhaps as of course keeping the girl would be important too unless of course he got lucky.

I will update more a bit later. Overall I learnt as fair bit but I just don't think I would have enough leverage over in Kiev city centre to get an easy time of it.
Title: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: Nightwish on May 23, 2019, 08:56:08 AM
hmm still waiting for some sort of trip report, so far I only seen a lot of.. let's call them "trench-conclusions" - I won't even bother to comment on them - but not much of a trip report
Title: Re: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: Boethius on May 23, 2019, 09:27:41 AM
Ukraine is a relatively temperate climate, which is why people don't wear black in the spring/summer.

People often have black winter coats, particularly if they use public transport, because it's easier to keep clean.

It's also about understanding the culture and that of course takes time and visiting and observing the culture.

You will never understand the culture, so stop wasting years trying.  Even your comments on Kyiv suggest you missed obvious points about the culture.  Plus, if you want children, you're not getting any younger.

You have no leverage over any woman, and any perceived leverage you have disappears once the woman arrives in the UK.

I suggest you stick to dating sites, text with half a dozen women from the same city, then go visit them.  Just don't lie and tell them you're exclusive.

This post was composed without the aid of google.
Title: Re: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: Trenchcoat on May 23, 2019, 10:52:39 AM
Ukraine is a relatively temperate climate, which is why people don't wear black in the spring/summer.

People often have black winter coats, particularly if they use public transport, because it's easier to keep clean.

You will never understand the culture, so stop wasting years trying.  Even your comments on Kyiv suggest you missed obvious points about the culture.  Plus, if you want children, you're not getting any younger.

You have no leverage over any woman, and any perceived leverage you have disappears once the woman arrives in the UK.

I suggest you stick to dating sites, text with half a dozen women from the same city, then go visit them.  Just don't lie and tell them you're exclusive.

This post was composed without the aid of google.

Problem is Boe I can't get that many girls messaging me in just one city. A huge city the size of Moscow I could but even something the size of Kiev or wherever I tend not too. There are various reasons for this, sometimes the girl hasn't been in the website in a long while, sometimes she is busy communicating with other guys, sometimes she may want a US guy or whatever and sometimes she is just not into my look, like i've said before I'm an everyday looking guy so I get no advantage there with most women.

I will go with at least meeting one. If I could get more I would and I would be upfront about it, it would just be to meet as friends in the first instance. I'm going to look into getting some DSLR pics done, none with the blurred background which I always thinks looks too pro looking and maybe that might boost my hit rate a bit.

Like I say I have learnt other stuff that I can use from the trip as backup stuff so it was still a worthwhile journey. I'm going to work more on myself to try and boost my desirability also :)
Title: Re: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: lyndontom on May 23, 2019, 11:41:39 AM

Hold the press, Trench goes to Ukraine and doesn't get a date.

I am not advocating Kiev as necessarily the best City to find a wife, but you were warned of that and advised to line up ladies to meet beforehand, or at least have some sort of plan other than the Krimster 'wing-it' method. You don't have the personality type to do it. You chose to ignore the advice. What exactly was your strategy? Expecting to just look British to women, have them make a move on you and then drop their knickers?


Problem is Boe I can't get that many girls messaging me in just one city. A huge city the size of Moscow I could but even something the size of Kiev or wherever I tend not too.


You seriously can't line up a few dates in a City like Kiev by any means? Online, Tinder, through agencies, through any mutual contacts? If that's honestly the case, you have greater problems than even I, one of your biggest sceptics, ever imagined. And by the way I just came back from Kiev 2 weeks ago, so you can't hide behind all of the BS excuses you posted above. Your generalisations don't wash.
Title: Re: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: ML on May 23, 2019, 11:42:41 AM
I am not a Trench basher just for the sake of pile on bullying, so I will say well done Trench.

You did seem to discover some things about yourself and about Kyiv gals (their looks at least.)

I think you should follow up on your ideas to look at some other smaller cities in Ukraine.

Myself, I never found that much difference between the gals in Kyiv, Kharkiv, Dnipro, Yalta, Sevastopol, etc.  Only ones I would avoid are those in Odesa.

Never really went to smaller places, except short visits with Ukrainian business persons.

I only did WMVM and smaller places probably wouldn't have had enough women who met my screening.
Title: Re: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: lyndontom on May 23, 2019, 12:08:34 PM
I am not a Trench basher just for the sake of pile on bullying, so I will say well done Trench.

You did seem to discover some things about yourself and about Kyiv gals (their looks at least.)

I think you should follow up on your ideas to look at some other smaller cities in Ukraine.

Myself, I never found that much difference between the gals in Kyiv, Kharkiv, Dnipro, Yalta, Sevastopol, etc.  Only ones I would avoid are those in Odesa.

Never really went to smaller places, except short visits with Ukrainian business persons.

I only did WMVM and smaller places probably wouldn't have had enough women who met my screening.


There is no 'bullying' when one asks for advice, chooses to ignore it, and then pontificates generalised nonsense about an entire City after a 3-day trip. It is merely stating the obvious. He opened himself up to at least some bashing, or he will NEVER learn.


You contradict yourself when you say he should try a smaller Cities, but that you've never been. You're also starting to make assumptions about places just as he does. One does start to wonder...


The only saving grace is that Trench has acknowledged to work on himself and boost his 'desirability'.
Title: Re: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: msmob on May 23, 2019, 12:25:41 PM
+1

Sorry,ML

Until Trench stops offering 'advice' on subjects on which he is clueless ..then offers pathetic excuses...he will be lambasted.



Title: Re: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: Boethius on May 23, 2019, 12:47:00 PM
There is no 'bullying' when one asks for advice, chooses to ignore it, and then pontificates generalised nonsense about an entire City after a 3-day trip.


True.  There are plenty of poor people in Kyiv, including poor women.  The fact Trench didn't see them, or chose not to, does not make his generalization accurate.


This post was composed without the aid of google.
Title: Re: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: Gator on May 23, 2019, 02:18:21 PM
+1

Sorry,ML

Until Trench stops offering 'advice' on subjects on which he is clueless ..then offers pathetic excuses...he will be lambasted.

I don't see where Trench offers much advice in this thread.  He described his trip in a terse  "Veni, vidi, vici" style without any vici. 

He wrote about what he observed without assuming what a woman was thinking.  Perhaps you opinion is a kneejerk reaction biased by your history with Trench.   Give Trench a break - after the years here he is learning something (not difficult because he had much to learn).   

In my southern college fraternity, many of us would wrestle with a New York pledge who would get into our faces.  It was more playing than fighting.  He was weak and we relished quickly pinning him to the ground, while laughing at his New York mannerisms.  At the end of the year he changed in two ways:  1) he moderated much of his New York manner and  2) he learned from all of his wrestling how to fight back (still lost, but not without putting up a competitive struggle).
Title: Re: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: Gator on May 23, 2019, 02:24:11 PM

Myself, I never found that much difference between the gals in Kyiv, Kharkiv, Dnipro, Yalta, Sevastopol, etc.  Only ones I would avoid are those in Odesa.

Never really went to smaller places, except short visits with Ukrainian business persons.

I only did WMVM and smaller places probably wouldn't have had enough women who met my screening.

Kiev women reminded me somewhat of Moscow women.  Just walking around one could sense more sophistication than in the provincial cities. 

I agree one on one the women I met throughout the FSU tended to be similar.  Probably a result of having screened each other (WMVM) before meeting. 
Title: Re: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: Davo on May 23, 2019, 03:53:38 PM
“So having seen all these beautiful women I wanted one, only problem was I wasn't getting much traction”

Trench, I actually thought about you’re upcoming trip when I was in Russia recently. I talked to a handful of women, generally asking questions and directions as I toured the city when I wasn’t with K. I planned a romantic dinner one evening and struggled in the supermarket finding the ingredients I needed. One woman took an interest in my predicament and walked with me around the supermarket.....she was a little flirty, gave me some obvious signs of interest and touched my arm often. I wondered what it would take to escalate this encounter.

I’m dying to know your experience compared to mine at home regarding cold approaches during the day. Obviously you bombed, but tell me what did you open with?. How did you escalate your encounters from a friendly chat to showing her you were interested in her romantically?. What were her excuses not to go on a date?.... married, not time etc... or a straight out no!!. Half the skill in this method is being able to walk away with some dignity (I use humour) how did you leave your encounters?. How many women did you approach, before you realised Kiev wasn’t the place for you?

You’ve left out all the important things in your report,  that could help new members considering this method and the main reason you were there.....to approach women and ask them on dates.


Edit..... sorry I just read your second post again.... approaching  women during the day is nothing like meeting them in a pub or nightclub, where eye contact is a good sign to approach. During the day she won’t notice you until you approach and start talking.... she’s going about her daily activities, not searching for a man. It’s the element of surprise and the fact that she has probably not been approached (hit on) during the day before..... the common theme with the women I chatted with during the day is they had never had a man hit on them during the day, they didn’t expect it and all were flattered, despite a lot being married or having a boyfriend.

I think I told you this is the hardest thing to do in dating and you should have tried this at home..... you need to approach 50-100 women to get good at this if you’re not naturally gifted with women.... there’s nothing special about PUA apart from confidence and experience gained by approaching 100-1000’s of women and getting rejected often.
Title: Re: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: SteveInBoston on May 23, 2019, 04:08:03 PM
Hi Trench,

A trip report would be nice.

You went to Kyiv with some preconceived ideas that you found were wrong.  You thought you'd see pretty girls almost begging to talk to you just because you were a WM, but found out that is not the case.  Instead of learning from that, you conclude that you just need to switch cities - to a more rural place perhaps.   

As ML mentioned, it will be the same just about in any other city.  You will not be seen as a hero just because you're British.  If women in the smaller cities and villages wanted to be "saved" from their situation, they will pick a Ukrainian man who is better off
(then themselves).  Not necessarily wealthy, but one that can support her, to whatever degree. 

When you realize that, and also realize it will be about the same in Belarus, Moldova, Georgia, etc., then you can move on and possibly develop some real character to eventually be able to meet a nice woman.  Right now you're just deluding yourself and that will not help you.

Title: Re: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: msmob on May 23, 2019, 07:29:55 PM
I don't see where Trench offers much advice in this thread.  He described his trip in a terse  "Veni, vidi, vici" style without any vici. 

))

Then you are inattentive, Phil !

I saw hilarious 'advice'..

1/ Kyiv not the place to look

2/ Look in smaller cities, as there is less competition from rich guys


He wrote about what he observed without assuming what a woman was thinking.  Perhaps you opinion is a kneejerk reaction biased by your history with Trench.   Give Trench a break - after the years here he is learning something (not difficult because he had much to learn). 

My 'history'  with Trench is mostly frustration at such inane 'advice / conclusiins'..simples..

Until Trench admits he is the problem and sorts out his misogynistic traits, he is wasting his time and  mostly exposing Bollox.

Title: Re: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: krimster2 on May 23, 2019, 08:02:11 PM
Trench...

come over here buddy, here have a seat...
hey look, I hate to break this to you but...
if you're not "getting any traction" then you probably have an "appearance" problem
and the only way to deal with that is to compensate with little pieces of paper with portraits of the queen on 'em, lots of em
without that... (shrugs shoulders)
well, glad we had this little talk...



Title: Re: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: Davo on May 23, 2019, 08:41:03 PM
Trench...

come over here buddy, here have a seat...
hey look, I hate to break this to you but...
if you're not "getting any traction" then you probably have an "appearance" problem
and the only way to deal with that is to compensate with little pieces of paper with portraits of the queen on 'em, lots of em
without that... (shrugs shoulders)
well, glad we had this little talk...

Not having a go at trench, but you actually have to approach women, before you know if you have problems or not..... I don’t think he’s like you Krim and confidant around women. Approach anxiety would would have sunk his chances the moment he even thought about taking to a woman. Picking up women on the street is not for the average guy.

I think his best  chances is using the proven method..... find a woman on line, devote several hours a day communicating with her. Get over his hang up and use the best tool he has, Skype (video chat) to build an emotional connection, then go visit her.

Compared with local online dating, sites like fdating are so easy to find women willing to talk, meet and go on dates with you..... he should be meeting 5-10 women every time he visits.
Title: Re: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: Trenchcoat on May 23, 2019, 09:20:30 PM
“So having seen all these beautiful women I wanted one, only problem was I wasn't getting much traction”

Trench, I actually thought about you’re upcoming trip when I was in Russia recently. I talked to a handful of women, generally asking questions and directions as I toured the city when I wasn’t with K. I planned a romantic dinner one evening and struggled in the supermarket finding the ingredients I needed. One woman took an interest in my predicament and walked with me around the supermarket.....she was a little flirty, gave me some obvious signs of interest and touched my arm often. I wondered what it would take to escalate this encounter.

I’m dying to know your experience compared to mine at home regarding cold approaches during the day. Obviously you bombed, but tell me what did you open with?. How did you escalate your encounters from a friendly chat to showing her you were interested in her romantically?. What were her excuses not to go on a date?.... married, not time etc... or a straight out no!!. Half the skill in this method is being able to walk away with some dignity (I use humour) how did you leave your encounters?. How many women did you approach, before you realised Kiev wasn’t the place for you?

You’ve left out all the important things in your report,  that could help new members considering this method and the main reason you were there.....to approach women and ask them on dates.


Edit..... sorry I just read your second post again.... approaching  women during the day is nothing like meeting them in a pub or nightclub, where eye contact is a good sign to approach. During the day she won’t notice you until you approach and start talking.... she’s going about her daily activities, not searching for a man. It’s the element of surprise and the fact that she has probably not been approached (hit on) during the day before..... the common theme with the women I chatted with during the day is they had never had a man hit on them during the day, they didn’t expect it and all were flattered, despite a lot being married or having a boyfriend.

I think I told you this is the hardest thing to do in dating and you should have tried this at home..... you need to approach 50-100 women to get good at this if you’re not naturally gifted with women.... there’s nothing special about PUA apart from confidence and experience gained by approaching 100-1000’s of women and getting rejected often.

Hi Davo, well I didn't try any PUA, I wasn't intending to. I wanted to try passive methods to see how well they would work out. So one day I went to Shevchenko Park, I chose a seat to sit down on, one of those lounger type ones opposite the fountain and directly by the path so there would be a lot of footfall nearby. I wore a bright polo shirt so as to stand out (it was a hot day 24-27 degree or something like that). I got a book out on the history of Ukraine with an English title and started to read, figured might as well try and learn in the process. I turned the book up to make the title clearly visible. Many women passed by, most I think were probably more focused on their own task at hand and took little notice. One I think with her girl friend looked nicely out the corner of her eye as she passed me by andcsmiled a bit, may have been a little something there but think she was too shy to approach and she passed by. A few other girls I made brief eye contact with as I looked up from my book every so often as they came near to walk passed, some I made eye contact with but no obvious signs of interest and they passed by. All in all I was there a good 2 and a half hours or so reading, by the time I got up I was a little stuff from being sat down for some time. By that time I generally for the impression that this method wouldn't likely bear any fruit and while it could work in the right place and deployed correctly it is probably more of a back up strategy if in the FSU and waiting for girls to reply online.

Another passive method I considered was sketching. Now as you may recall me saying to Krimster I'm no Sketch genius so I brought one of those do a sketch a day books you can get off Amazon, I figured that it would help to explain that I'm practicing and hence why my sketch may not look very good. On a tour out with my sketch diary though I ended up coming to the conclusion that it is not the way to go, at least not for me in Kiev. Quite frankly I could envisage the women there laughing at my attempt to sketch whatever and me looking ridiculous in the process and then walking off after having a giggle. As has been said above Kiev women give me the impression of being more sophisticated. Again in a more provincial city and with a bit more practice beforehand it may be an ok back up method.

In general though you're more likely to get more done with direct methods I got the impression than passive. Krimster can no doubt do passive better than I as a good Artist etc will always shine well and get attention. I got the distinct impression that if you were able to show to these ladies that you had an exceptional talent like just being a good Artist then that would impress and they would take interest, however if it's nothing in particular then you'll be out of luck.

So I didn't try any PUA while there, I generally for the impression that Kiev women in general are not looking for a foreign guy as they are happy there with local guys or just happy there. Outside the city centre who knows but it would be strange for a WM to turn up out there. I did discover a good potential subtle PUA routine I could use and your 'ingredients' one is good also :) Again in general I got the feeling that direct non subtle PUA could get embarrassing used on Kiev women who are quite sophisticated in the main. I looked up a guy online doing it and he's one of these Mr Personality types. Unfortunately that's not me and wouldn't work for me I realised I would likely just end up very embarrassed and bomb. Davo, I think developing subtle PUA is definitely the way to go for me. I can practice on the women at home and come out of it without any loss of face as I really don't like feeling foolish and a lot of direct PUA I think could do that to guys without great personality skills like me.

Do that's about it. Admittedly not much time was put to  actually trying to get women as a lot was spent on the situation in general, observing around the city, seeing the situation with girls and best places to go to, etc. I think this is all coming along now and if I go in next time with a range of methods to hand in a provincial city that I think would suit me more then I think I could do a lot better.

In general though this outing wasn't so much about trying to get a girl but as trying out different methods to see if a different method might work. The method I used might but needs find tuning to the person and the place I think to work in the way hoped for.
Title: Re: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: Davo on May 23, 2019, 10:07:09 PM
So what’s the plan now trench?...... you’ve invested a few years into this and not making much progress.
Title: Re: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: Trenchcoat on May 24, 2019, 02:26:03 AM
So what’s the plan now trench?...... you’ve invested a few years into this and not making much progress.

Progress is being made, I've learnt a lot of stuff along the way and although it doesn't look like it's born much fruit so far I think it could do in the end. I'll keep learning and making improvements from it and I think that will help. I think I've got a lot better idea of where to steer on all of this now and know more about the FSU dating scene as a whole. So I'm going to be working on myself in the interim and hopefully will get out and have a proper crack at it this summer. I'm looking at visiting a girl in a provincial city from a dating site, could be anywhere in the FSU but think Ukraine is most likely as it's where I find the women the most attractive. I'll be ready to deploy whatever secondary back ups I can if it doesn't work out.

At the end of the day a lot of guys don't get lucky first time around or even on the first few occasions so it's really just a case of keep trying and learning and improving as I go along I think and hopefully I may get there.
Title: Re: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: Trenchcoat on May 24, 2019, 02:40:41 AM

True.  There are plenty of poor people in Kyiv, including poor women.  The fact Trench didn't see them, or chose not to, does not make his generalization accurate.


This post was composed without the aid of google.

There are probably more poor women in the outer suburbs that lack the means or need to go into the city centre of Kiev. Possibly the odd few might be on foreign dating sites. For me though it would have been as bit odd popping out to the outer suburbs to have a scout around for them.

I did notice the odd hottie around Kiev who wasn't wearing a bra, perhaps she lacked the money to afford one :D
Title: Re: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: Trenchcoat on May 24, 2019, 02:47:02 AM
I general though I would not say this trip was a failure, it was never about a full on try and get dates deal. I just wanted to get out there for a few days and really learn about different stuff out there. I think adding what I've learnt to previous stuff I've learned will really help me in improving my success in the future so I'm not down about it at all. I also don't think it's a bad idea what Krimster suggested and am happy that I followed it, it's a different method and just a case of learning another way of doing things. I wouldn't discourage anyone else from giving his methods a go and tailoring it to themselves, I think there could be much merit in them.
Title: Re: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: msmob on May 24, 2019, 03:23:37 AM
Trench,
Once again, you are making 'excuses' for serial failures...that others would have learnt from and adapted.

Most of us know your 'plans' are doomed to failure, as soon as you announce the 'latest one'...

When are you going to listen? Perhaps you are doing a thesis on how not to date?

Really mate....give yourself a slap and wise up...

1/ write to ladies and strike up some sort of rapport.

2/ Do not base your search on where they are... Choose to visit the one that you click with.

3/ Take some classes on social skills.

Until you sort out your confidence , misogonyst issues and unreasonable expectations of partners... You will KEEP failing..This is a fact...not nastiness.

Look at how Boethius defended you, before giving up on you as a lost case... 

I STILL wonder if anyone can be as socially inept as you or if you simply gain pleasure from the responses you elicit.

 :deadhorse:



Title: Re: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: Nightwish on May 24, 2019, 07:04:32 AM

So your saying, sitting on a bench "looking English" didn't work to get the girls halt in their step, fall instantly in love and throw their bras and panties at you at first glance?

what a surprise  :rolleyes:

You are joking right? You didn't actually go to Kyiv thinking that would work?
Title: Re: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: Trenchcoat on May 24, 2019, 08:14:01 AM

So your saying, sitting on a bench "looking English" didn't work to get the girls halt in their step, fall instantly in love and throw their bras and panties at you at first glance?

what a surprise  :rolleyes:

You are joking right? You didn't actually go to Kyiv thinking that would work?

Who knows until you try? Had it been someone with film star looks sat there or perhaps a book that more grabbed their interest, who knows?

To be honest it wasn't so much about going out there with just one or two other methods to try. It was more about assessing what approaches might viably work for me. The two methods I mentioned I didn't spend a lot of time on I just made a decision on what I saw. So it's not to say it's a method that would not work, it's just  something that may work differently for different people. More time put to it an deployed a little different then who knows.

I did get more in tune with how a guy like me might go about PUA while out there so I've got some material to in with next time. So it's was really more about getting aligned properly for next time more than anything.
Title: Re: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: Gator on May 24, 2019, 09:47:10 AM
Hi Davo, well I didn't try any PUA, I wasn't intending to. I wanted to try passive methods to see how well they would work out.

FSUW like strong men.  Passive men are not perceived as strong.  One exception - the strong, silent man.  Few men have this.  It requires having a pithy, insightful response for almost any issue. 

When fishing, you cast your fly onto the water  but don't let it  rest.  A fisherman "works" it ever so slightly, and the action attracts a fish to inspect it.  Even if allured by the action, the fish will not strike the fly unless involuntarily compelled.    Also, if no "bites" the fisherman moves to a different spot, and stays hopeful. 

Maximizing Opportunities

Most of the women walking around a city probably already have a boyfriend.  So expect a low percentage of opportunities. Krimster in his escapades parked himself near a university.  He did not sit on a bench but contrived some sort of show.

Why didn't you take advantage of two options to maximize opportunities?

-   Connect beforehand with some Kiev woman on the meeting sites.  You could have combined your fishing adventure with a WMVO opportunity. 

-  Have an agency set you up with a date for $50 or so.   

I recall years ago one pithy explanation why an executive's oil exploration company had more new oil discoveries than his competitors:  "we drill more holes."
Title: Re: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: Gator on May 24, 2019, 09:56:00 AM

and the only way to deal with that is to compensate with little pieces of paper with portraits of the queen on 'em, lots of em
without that... (shrugs shoulders)
well, glad we had this little talk...

Using my fishing analogy, the green lure will catch many pink snapper, but no keepers

Krimster, you did well in your early escapades.   Times were different, yet I would say your tall height helped.  I say that because I don't recall you having a Hollywood likeness. 

Also as noted in my prior post, you fished in spots with more fish.
 
Title: Re: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: Boethius on May 24, 2019, 09:58:59 AM
There are probably more poor women in the outer suburbs that lack the means or need to go into the city centre of Kiev. Possibly the odd few might be on foreign dating sites. For me though it would have been as bit odd popping out to the outer suburbs to have a scout around for them.

Poor people live all over Kyiv, including the centre.  Moreover, public transportation is relatively cheap, so getting around is not difficult.

You would not recognize a "poor" Ukrainian, so your analysis if flawed, which I have come to expect.

Krimster used his techniques in the 1990's, when there were far fewer Westerners in Ukraine, when Ukrainians weren't as wary of foreigners, and when economic times were far worse than now. 

This post was composed without the aid of google.
Title: Re: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: Gator on May 24, 2019, 10:09:24 AM

My 'history'  with Trench is mostly frustration at such inane 'advice / conclusiins'..simples..

Until Trench admits he is the problem and sorts out his misogynistic traits, he is wasting his time and  mostly exposing Bollox.

I have not followed Trench's efforts closely.  Yet, it is not difficult to sense his lack of success. 

I see boatloads of justified criticisms, yet frequently you and others are too harsh IMO.   In this thread his introspection has improved and I disliked the kneejerk criticism.    Just my opinion.  Each of us is different, and I don't claim to be the Pope.  Not even a Bishop.....maybe a horny Priest (who does not molest boys). 

Also, I don't see Trench as worthless.   Obstinate?  Yes. 
Title: Re: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: krimster2 on May 24, 2019, 10:11:08 AM
"I don't recall you having a Hollywood likeness.  "

not really needed, not what most women there are looking for
but I've been called nice and interesting looking by Russian women
and that's all you really need...
tallness definitely a big plus and being light hair/blue eyes
plus several years of free weights and nautilus gave me very good muscle tone
killer combo for me!!!!
when I was age 40 in Kyiv and went into a room full of women, they all stopped talking to each other and were checking me out
I almost never received that kind of intense scrutiny by women in the USA, the exception being Jewish girls in Manhattan
too bad I hate Manhattan

Title: Re: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: Nightwish on May 24, 2019, 10:21:17 AM
Who knows until you try? Had it been someone with film star looks sat there or perhaps a book that more grabbed their interest, who knows?

To be honest it wasn't so much about going out there with just one or two other methods to try. It was more about assessing what approaches might viably work for me. The two methods I mentioned I didn't spend a lot of time on I just made a decision on what I saw. So it's not to say it's a method that would not work, it's just  something that may work differently for different people. More time put to it an deployed a little different then who knows.

I did get more in tune with how a guy like me might go about PUA while out there so I've got some material to in with next time. So it's was really more about getting aligned properly for next time more than anything.
The answer to your simple question, anyone with half a brain know this already.
and no, not even with "film star look" anyone would be able to pull that of, again I would say that is your misogynist view on women - especially FSU women - that shows it's ugly face, if you really thought that would get you anything at all.

Your not a Martian who's landed on Venus, you're a white dude in a white country. OHH how exotic..  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: Gator on May 24, 2019, 10:28:54 AM
Trench,

Final thought.  No  offense intended.... you are an oddball

Good news!!!!! There are oddballs among the multitudes of FSUW.  Via the meeting sites,  I communicated with a few who many wold find as geeky. 

One remarkable oddball was an IT professor in a prominent university.  Not a beauty yet attractive enough and slender.  Extremely intelligent.  We communicated on  Skype, and it took a long time for her to lower her defensive walls.  Once that happened, she was incredible.   She was lonely and had trouble finding an interesting man who was not already attached.  Our discussion topics were weird, especially sex.    On Skype, she performed sex acts for me  (yes, I am a student of cheap thrills).  Some acts I did not ask for (hint:  she had a dog).  Our timing never allowed a meeting.   

My advice, tighten your screening filters and look on the dating sites for the oddball.  Reveal your true self, not an act.  Most will run away from you.  Some may be interested.   

Don't give up, but do examine all the advice you receive here.  There is some truth in ever  harsh statement. 
Title: Re: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: krimster2 on May 24, 2019, 10:35:21 AM
no, it’s NOT a difference of TIME...
it’s a difference of method
and it’s the difference between a cleaning lady washing the floor
and Michelangelo painting a picture

if a pretty UA girl sits in one spot for more than 3 minutes she’ll get “hit on” aggressively by some Ukrainian guy
I used to watch this happen in public all the time
if you employ this technique, keep in mind that it has a pretty high failure rate, and it categorizes you as being just like the aggressive Ukrainian guys
sure if you do it 100 times, you’ll probably get lucky at least once, I’ve seen that happen to!!!

but instead of this
I used “reality disruption”

every day beautiful UA women walk to the bus stop and take the bus to work
day after boring day
then one day, an attractive foreigner was there painting a picture
overcome by intense curiosity a beautiful woman walked by to examine the painting
she ended up spending the weekend in my apartment
she was FAR more beautiful than my meager portrait could show

once you “disrupt reality” their behavior completely changes
it’s like a switch gets flipped in their brain
THEY will come to you
I had women I met this way want to hang out with me all day and some were even hugging me
which is NOT normal behavior for UA wimmin with a stranger they just met

I used reality disruption on UA wimmin, it is brutally effective
and painting one was just one of many techniques

as a result of my efforts
I have seen more young naked Ukrainian wimmin
than the rest of this board put together



Title: Re: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: Gator on May 24, 2019, 10:38:00 AM

I almost never received that kind of intense scrutiny by women in the USA, the exception being Jewish girls in Manhattan
too bad I hate Manhattan

WASP girls too prudish I guess. 

I was reared among WASP women.  Not until I went to graduate school did I meet Jewish girls.  Bright, different, fun,   yet too demanding for the egotistic male soul  of my youth.  They insisted on coming first. 
Title: Re: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: Gator on May 24, 2019, 10:46:27 AM

if a pretty UA girl sits in one spot for more than 3 minutes she’ll get “hit on” aggressively by some Ukrainian guy
I used to watch this happen in public all the time
if you employ this technique, keep in mind that it has a pretty high failure rate, and it categorizes you as being just like the aggressive Ukrainian guys
sure if you do it 100 times, you’ll probably get lucky at least once, I’ve seen that happen to!!!

I got the impression that Trench did not "hit on" the women, or did it awkwardly. 


Quote
but instead of this I used “reality disruption”

I said you "contrived" an interesting scene.  "Disrupting their reality" is a far better phrase.  Kudos to you. 



Quote
as a result of my efforts
I have seen more young naked Ukrainian wimmin
than the rest of this board put together

Beautiful!!!!!!   

Albert had his share of not so young women, and he still walks he hall under different pseudonyms.  Ranger wrote about quite a few in a short period.


Regarding the artwork, you do have some skill.  Good that you had a different occupation.   
Title: Re: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: krimster2 on May 24, 2019, 11:49:50 AM
"I said you "contrived" an interesting scene.  "Disrupting their reality" is a far better phrase.  Kudos to you.  "

'spossiba!
but this is how you do it!!!!!
contriving "the interesting scene" disrupting reality
anything to breakout of the "boring jerk hitting on a pretty girl" routine (which it is)

because I had the money to spend
I found the best way to disrupt their reality was to get them to come to work for me and pay them a salary
and do this with an increasing level of physical intimacy

it's not hard to make money in Ukraine, especially when an administrative assistant salary is only $1,000/month



Title: Re: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: Gator on May 24, 2019, 12:32:12 PM

I found the best way to disrupt their reality was to get them to come to work for me and pay them a salary
and do this with an increasing level of physical intimacy


The Ukraine Me Too movement is adding you to their list. 
Title: Re: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: krimster2 on May 24, 2019, 12:34:47 PM
money (clothes,travel) talks
#MeTo walks
Title: Re: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: Trenchcoat on May 24, 2019, 01:48:55 PM
I did also see a lot of Ukrainians women with bags with the US flag on it and one girl with a black bag with London written on it. So English culture seems to have a lot of admiration over there, but I'm not so sure it's meeting foreigners but perhaps more wanting to go to US/UK perhaps.
Title: Re: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: Trenchcoat on May 24, 2019, 02:03:23 PM
FSUW like strong men.  Passive men are not perceived as strong.  One exception - the strong, silent man.  Few men have this.  It requires having a pithy, insightful response for almost any issue. 

Have you any examples of these types of men?


Well on the he rest I could have called up girls of sites or gone to an agency, but it wasn't really the purpose of the visit. This time around I just wanted to assess the possibility of different methods. I'll get onto the dating more on my next visit. I was only there for three days so it was just a short expedition really.
Title: Re: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: Trenchcoat on May 24, 2019, 02:05:00 PM
Krim, just seen the pic of your work, your pretty talented, hate to think what my effort would come out like, lol.
Title: Re: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: Gator on May 24, 2019, 02:56:16 PM
Have you any examples of these types of men?
 

Rare.  Most people talk too much, or not serious, or not insightful, or have a record of mistakes, or show no street smarts,  .....

In your social circles when deciding what to do (which restaurant tonight?) do your friends look to you to crystallize the best choice?
Title: Re: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: Trenchcoat on May 25, 2019, 03:36:28 AM
 

Rare.  Most people talk too much, or not serious, or not insightful, or have a record of mistakes, or show no street smarts,  .....

In your social circles when deciding what to do (which restaurant tonight?) do your friends look to you to crystallize the best choice?

Ah think I know what you mean. I know of a guy that could fit with what you say.
Title: Re: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: Trenchcoat on May 25, 2019, 04:07:59 AM
Anyway on with my trip report. I recall while I was bringing up the subject of this trip the choice of where to stay came up and several suggestions were made. In the end I was happy to go with my original choice which was the Royal Grand Hotel. It was handy for me in just being around the corner from Shevchenko Park. It's a classical style hotel inside and out and caters for English people. Handily just over the road on the street corner is a nice quaint style MacDonald's where most of the staff speak English also. I think it was about the only McDonald's in Kiev city centre that wasn't jam packed at the counter during the day. I think this is due to its round the back location. It does of course get s bit busy after 10am ish but get there before then and it's normally fairly nice & quiet.

So yes the hotel was a small to medium size hotel, just a reception desk as you walk in and normally only one member of staff. It seems a laid back affair which is why I went for it so no bell boys or doormen. If you were to being a lady back I get the impression you would be allowed to get on with it so long as you drew no undue attention to yourself. The reception staff alternated in shift patterns and they all seemed easy going, polite/friendly and laid back enough. The décor inside the hotel was quite fancy and classy looking. The rooms too, obviously not the most luxurious around and not recently decorated but nice enough. I managed to get a room with a double bed of eboojers for just under £30 a night so a nice cheap place to stay.

The Ibis hotel near the station that someone recommended, think it was LA man. Well that would have only been convenient for PUA stuff around the station and arrival & departure. Beyond that the area around the station was not all that nice, busy with people and not pleasant surroundings. It would also mean a tube journey to go anywhere in central Kiev as otherwise a steep hill & walk which in 24-27 degree heat would not not be a good look. The Ibis was also the opposite side to the grand rail station entrance and the metro so not the best side to be.

The Salute hotel was also mentioned. That is a little more money not a lot though. It's fine for being near Marinsky Park and the other monuments nearby. It's a funky looking deconstructivist hotel which I get the impression is favoured by Americans. Probably nice enough to stay in but starting to look its age I think. It's also a bit out the way from a lot of stuff in Kiev. It has the metro a little walk away, the Arsenala. The area itself apart from the park I don't think held much go in terms of picking up a girl, there's not really much going on around there, a lot of mundane street, etc. The park you tended to get young couples at night so not the best place, daytime might be better but the President's Inauguration messed up any go in that one.

So all in all I was happy of my choice of hotel, it wasn't as grand as Hotel Ukraine but it was more down to earth and friendly. The views weren't as good either but I was not too bothered about that this time. I got a room at the back away from the busy road at the front.

I think the choice of hotel or apartment would much cone down to what you have planned in Kiev so a case of just going for the most convenient one for that really.
Title: Re: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: msmob on May 25, 2019, 11:02:54 PM
Most guys would have arranged to meet at least one lady who would influence suchbdecions, Trench ....

Title: Re: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: Gator on May 26, 2019, 08:16:11 AM
Ah think I know what you mean. I know of a guy that could fit with what you say.

A better way to describe such men:

They speak few words, but when they speak, people listen. 
Title: Re: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: Jamesukjames on May 26, 2019, 11:41:32 AM
Trench you went to Kiev without organising a date via f dating ?  Even I have no sympathy.
Title: Re: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: Jamesukjames on May 27, 2019, 02:23:56 AM
For any one reading this report for information I would say coming from England to ukraine is a big culture shock.  The women have great genes that make them attractive.  They also dress very well and many do so at a low price via the internet.   Their personality type is not like an English woman's they are far more bonded to their partner it's much more a couple than 2 people living in the same house.  Kiev I struggled to find a date and had a quick fling with a gold digger there.  Sumy was much more friendly as was dinipro.  I'm dating a woman from dinipro and met her friends all had normal jobs but dressed and looked like models  and had nicely deçorated apartments in decaying apartment  blocks.  I think the world has moved on internet is the only way to meet.  I tried other techniques in Kiev but none worked.  Also what about the future I can pull but can I meet someone to live alongside happily .  Trench I believe you sound too desperate and have read roosh that's ok if you want to tumble into and out of bed with women but personally I found it soul destroying and just felt lonlier and wondered if I'd caught an std.  It seems like you have no 10 year plan or at least you are not conveying it.
Title: Re: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: Boethius on May 27, 2019, 08:04:51 AM
Their personality type is not like an English woman's they are far more bonded to their partner it's much more a couple than 2 people living in the same house. 

So how do you explain Ukraine's much higher divorce rate?

There are posters here who dated married UW, so how bonded, exactly, are those women to their partners?

Quote
Kiev


It's Kyiv, not Kiev.

This post was composed without the aid of google.
Title: Re: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: lyndontom on May 27, 2019, 08:23:14 AM
The main problem lays in Trench's hypothesising - no PUA book, Roosh or whatever silly 'strategy' next can give him the ability to speak to women. What strikes me is a deep-rooted lack of confidence around women and it seems to me that trench is looking for any excuse to give yourself an easy way out.


Was told to meet women online ; not enough responses. Was told to use Skype; no, don't like that and it doesn't work. Was told not to go to Kyiv without lining up meetings; no, I want to see how this 'passive' strategy turns out. I can honestly say I perceive it was complete and utter trolling, or - giving him the benefit of the doubt - that he likes the idea of having a beautiful girlfriend but doesn't actually want to DO the things that are required to get one.


Trench, I have always maintained that you would be better suited to a different culture. If you expect the women to approach you - or are looking for a relationship where your social skills are put under strain - then you will be better looking elsewhere (think Philippines, Thailand, DR, Latin America). You may not be as attracted to the women, but you give yourself a better chance than you'll ever have in FSU with your current mindset.


For most of us here, the most precious commodity we have is time when visiting FSU countries in the pursuit of a lady. Whilst we can all argue the WMVM/WOVO debate to eternity, simply turning up and reading a book on a park bench is not a luxury we have.
Title: Re: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: Trenchcoat on May 27, 2019, 09:49:15 AM
Trench,

Final thought.  No  offense intended.... you are an oddball

How so?
Title: Re: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: Trenchcoat on May 27, 2019, 11:58:42 AM
For any one reading this report for information I would say coming from England to ukraine is a big culture shock.  The women have great genes that make them attractive.  They also dress very well and many do so at a low price via the internet.   Their personality type is not like an English woman's they are far more bonded to their partner it's much more a couple than 2 people living in the same house.  Kiev I struggled to find a date and had a quick fling with a gold digger there.  Sumy was much more friendly as was dinipro.  I'm dating a woman from dinipro and met her friends all had normal jobs but dressed and looked like models  and had nicely deçorated apartments in decaying apartment  blocks.  I think the world has moved on internet is the only way to meet.  I tried other techniques in Kiev but none worked.  Also what about the future I can pull but can I meet someone to live alongside happily .  Trench I believe you sound too desperate and have read roosh that's ok if you want to tumble into and out of bed with women but personally I found it soul destroying and just felt lonlier and wondered if I'd caught an std.  It seems like you have no 10 year plan or at least you are not conveying it.

They certainly do, some many hot model like women walking around that look similar to your hollywood stars, every time I go I am shocked and how many they are like well over half the women, most of the women in fact seem to be like that, the middle aged and older women obviously less so. I didn't really know where to look or what girl to go for there were so many, what would be an exceptionally pretty girl here is pretty much common place there, like you say James its the genes. I know what you mean though, I wanted one but I wanted one to be in a relationship with not just to bang, someone to share a life with. So you're still with the girl from Dnipro, the one who was asking for a mobile phone, how is that turning out for you, is she better behaved now?
Title: Re: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: msmob on May 27, 2019, 01:10:42 PM
How so?

Oddball

Misogynist

socially Inept

Terrible SoH

Clueless

Chicken

are other adjectives that apply

..

That Trench askes - 'how so?' - given his 'record'  comes under the clueless category
Title: Re: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: Gator on May 27, 2019, 03:57:28 PM
How so?

Not in the insulting ways Moby listed.  I don't know you, so I can't describe how so.  In general, more along the definition: 

                                                    noun -  "a strange or eccentric person"

                                                    adjective - "strange, bizarre"

I will not venture how many standard deviations you sit from normal, yet it is more than one.  Personally, I am at least one.  And considering the distribution curve is limitless, there are limitless possible forms of eccentricity.   

I give you this clip of the most famous "oddball" character in films, Donald Sutherland in Kelly's Heroes (fitting given the flick always plays as military rerun on Memorial Day, which is today).   To earn the name of Oddball, Sutherland played a hippie, tank commander in WWII, well ahead of the times.  Like you Oddball always keeps a positive outlook. 

My point is you need to find a woman who is 1-2 standard deviations from the mean.  Instead, you continue to research about the normal mentality of women.


  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IatwoA00E0   (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IatwoA00E0)



Title: Re: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: Jamesukjames on May 27, 2019, 10:24:00 PM
Totally disagree 2 slightly crazy people make for a very crazy relationship. As to trench yes it's hard to stay focused when you're introduced to her single friends and they are flirtatious and pretty compared to the grunting response of some jogging bottom wearing UK Neanderthal.  Next you hear them complaining of not enough sex when uk women are trying to avoid the messy subject.   As to how I'm doing with miss dinipro I'll tell you in 10 and 20 years my benchmarks for thinking I may know someone.
Title: Re: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: Trenchcoat on May 28, 2019, 05:30:51 AM
The main problem lays in Trench's hypothesising - no PUA book, Roosh or whatever silly 'strategy' next can give him the ability to speak to women. What strikes me is a deep-rooted lack of confidence around women and it seems to me that trench is looking for any excuse to give yourself an easy way out.


Was told to meet women online ; not enough responses. Was told to use Skype; no, don't like that and it doesn't work. Was told not to go to Kyiv without lining up meetings; no, I want to see how this 'passive' strategy turns out. I can honestly say I perceive it was complete and utter trolling, or - giving him the benefit of the doubt - that he likes the idea of having a beautiful girlfriend but doesn't actually want to DO the things that are required to get one.


Trench, I have always maintained that you would be better suited to a different culture. If you expect the women to approach you - or are looking for a relationship where your social skills are put under strain - then you will be better looking elsewhere (think Philippines, Thailand, DR, Latin America). You may not be as attracted to the women, but you give yourself a better chance than you'll ever have in FSU with your current mindset.


For most of us here, the most precious commodity we have is time when visiting FSU countries in the pursuit of a lady. Whilst we can all argue the WMVM/WOVO debate to eternity, simply turning up and reading a book on a park bench is not a luxury we have.

That is true, on fully legit dating sites like Fdate I can only get the odd response in any given city, Moscow I may get more but all the other cities I am pretty much down to a VO (visit one) as I rarely get the numbers of women up for a VM (visit many). Seeing as its largely picture based the only thing I can do is get some pro photography shoots done and see if that makes any difference. The photos I have up are fairly decent photos but of course probably don't project as well as a pro photo shoot. I wouldn't of course get the blurred background done as its an obvious staged photo shoot. Even still though I am dubious of whether it will enhance my chances or just be a bit of a waste of time and money.

Skype is of course necessary if doing VO and less so if doing VM so if I pick up a VO I would of course use Skype though I know it doesn't often tell whether there is natural chemistry there.
Title: Re: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: Trenchcoat on May 28, 2019, 05:34:05 AM
Totally disagree 2 slightly crazy people make for a very crazy relationship. As to trench yes it's hard to stay focused when you're introduced to her single friends and they are flirtatious and pretty compared to the grunting response of some jogging bottom wearing UK Neanderthal.  Next you hear them complaining of not enough sex when uk women are trying to avoid the messy subject.   As to how I'm doing with miss dinipro I'll tell you in 10 and 20 years my benchmarks for thinking I may know someone.

Thanks James, interesting to know, yeah UK girls have a lot of negatives that offset the prscticality of them being close by. So do you work out a lot? I have been going to the gym three times a week and have been geting a bit of muscle on the arms but still got a slight belly to offload.
Title: Re: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: Chelseaboy on May 28, 2019, 05:47:36 AM
I don't get all this lack of hot girls in the country you live ..hence the need to look for girls in the FSU.

I was in town(Essex town) on Friday night and the amount of seriously attractive, sexy,slim,high-heeled,women in their twenties and thirties out and about was amazing...and no guys hanging on their arms either.


Far more than I saw when I was in Kiev..although that was in November.

There are seriously attractive women everywhere..whether you match their expectations is another matter of course.
Title: Re: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: Boethius on May 28, 2019, 07:45:18 AM
I'll tell you in 10 and 20 years my benchmarks for thinking I may know someone.

Ten or twenty years?  You must be a slow learner. 

When our son was five, he wanted to do something, but he didn't even bother to ask the better half.  He said, "I've known you for five years.  I know the answer!" 

Assuming  you are living with the person, to get to know them, two years, tops, and that's assuming that person is hiding something in his/her personality.

This post was composed without the aid of google.
Title: Re: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: Trenchcoat on May 28, 2019, 08:48:38 AM
I don't get all this lack of hot girls in the country you live ..hence the need to look for girls in the FSU.

I was in town(Essex town) on Friday night and the amount of seriously attractive, sexy,slim,high-heeled,women in their twenties and thirties out and about was amazing...and no guys hanging on their arms either.


Far more than I saw when I was in Kiev..although that was in November.

There are seriously attractive women everywhere..whether you match their expectations is another matter of course.

Ah the much famed Essex Girls hey :D

I'm originally from Kent so had we not moved when I was young they would be quite nearby. As it is though I'm a fair distance from that area now so not in my backyard. Around my area to few of the girls are anything to write home about.
Title: Re: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: Boethius on May 28, 2019, 09:05:25 AM
Not in your backyard so instead, you go to an entirely different country, where you don't speak the language.  Yeah, that makes perfect sense.


This post was composed without the aid of google.
Title: Re: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: Trenchcoat on May 28, 2019, 09:42:17 AM
Not in your backyard so instead, you go to an entirely different country, where you don't speak the language.  Yeah, that makes perfect sense.


This post was composed without the aid of google.

True, essex girls may be worth a look then I guess.
Title: Re: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: Trenchcoat on May 28, 2019, 09:43:49 AM
I don't get all this lack of hot girls in the country you live ..hence the need to look for girls in the FSU.

I was in town(Essex town) on Friday night and the amount of seriously attractive, sexy,slim,high-heeled,women in their twenties and thirties out and about was amazing...and no guys hanging on their arms either.


Far more than I saw when I was in Kiev..although that was in November.

There are seriously attractive women everywhere..whether you match their expectations is another matter of course.

What was the Essex town where the girls are to be found Chelseaboy? ;D
Title: Re: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: msmob on May 28, 2019, 10:22:37 AM
Around my area to few of the girls are anything to write home about.

Trench,

You really ARE full of it .. I reckon you are in Hants / Dorset and my youngest lives in that region - she has plenty of attractive friends

FACE IT - you cannot pull a half good looking lass - PERIOD -  ANYWHERE using your past 'methodologies'

Unless things have changed THAT much in five years - you must be posting something REALLY bonkers in your profile or are really ugly or both - as I could have easily found more than one lass in a city of 500 k


Title: Re: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: lyndontom on May 28, 2019, 10:22:51 AM
I don't get all this lack of hot girls in the country you live ..hence the need to look for girls in the FSU.

I was in town(Essex town) on Friday night and the amount of seriously attractive, sexy,slim,high-heeled,women in their twenties and thirties out and about was amazing...and no guys hanging on their arms either.


Far more than I saw when I was in Kiev..although that was in November.

There are seriously attractive women everywhere..whether you match their expectations is another matter of course.


I don't get it either, but that's simply because it isn't true. I was out in Manchester last weekend and can honestly say there were hundreds, if not thousands, of stunning women everywhere out enjoying the sunshine. And, I was in Kyiv 3 weeks ago so can confirm that the standard was comparable.

The problem is that James and Trench are mysogynists and their incorrect theories about British women continue to annoy me. Trench is bitter because the best women are taken by the best men and lashes out at them because they don't show him any attention, so he would be left with the lower hanging fruit. Put it this way - does it come as a surprise that he can't pull one (his version - doesn't want one) whether due to looks, lack of social skills, or both - when his plan of attack in Kyiv was to sit on a park bench and expect approaches to him initiated by the women? James is a sex tourist who dresses it up by way of multiple short-term relationships because he values the attention of beautiful shown to him as a result of his ex-wives betrayal and trust issues.

Nobody is fooling anyone here. Yes, I am attracted to FSU women. Yes, I want to trade up. Yes, I appreciate what beautiful, intelligent FSU women have to offer. It is the reason to persevere with this endeavour, though not on a stand-alone basis. To say there are NO eligible women in the UK exposes them for what they are.
Title: Re: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: lyndontom on May 28, 2019, 10:30:17 AM
Trench,

You really ARE full of it .. I reckon you are in Hants / Dorset and my youngest lives in that region - she has plenty of attractive friends

FACE IT - you cannot pull a half good looking lass - PERIOD -  ANYWHERE using your past 'methodologies'

Unless things have changed THAT much in five years - you must be posting something REALLY bonkers in your profile or are really ugly or both - as I could have easily found more than one lass in a city of 500 k


+1. It simply does not stack up.


Then again, Trench doesn't want to use a website where a subscription of say £30 a month would be required - thereby eliminating many genuine women who might respond to his messages, especially if he was in town or imminently about to be.
Title: Re: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: Trenchcoat on May 28, 2019, 11:09:39 AM
Trench,

You really ARE full of it .. I reckon you are in Hants / Dorset and my youngest lives in that region - she has plenty of attractive friends

FACE IT - you cannot pull a half good looking lass - PERIOD -  ANYWHERE using your past 'methodologies'

Unless things have changed THAT much in five years - you must be posting something REALLY bonkers in your profile or are really ugly or both - as I could have easily found more than one lass in a city of 500 k

I've no doubt she has, I have seen a lot of the girls that go to Bournemouth Uni in the past and there are plenty of attractive ones there - AND THEY KNOW IT!!!

Most of those girls are so up there arse you wouldn't believe, many indeed would either be single because they think sooo highly of themselves or will only go out with a 'in crowd', Mr Personality, dogs bollocks, life of the party sort of guy.

As I've said before I'm an everyday looking sort of guy and I get no luck with the girls around here, there always seem way more men to women. I mean its ridiculous, its not like I have any physical negatives apart from not being uber athletic and looking facially like a film star. I am 6 ft tall (most women supposedly like tall men), I have a full head of hair (most women apparently don't like baldies), I have brown hair (most women apparently don't like ginger haired guys) and I have no physical diabilities. So WHY isn't that enough for women in the UK, it passes most of their bug bears. Yet even if I go on a UK dating site I don't exactly get much response whether after writing letters or women writing to me.

I would say at this point that I get a consistent 5 ish rating on photofeeler which is a fairl accurate tool these days.

Its like the You Tube video Davo Showed us, the average looking guy gets ignored by the women that were less attractive than he was, they were probably around a 3.

For some reason UK women have stupid expectations and refuse to accept a guy who passes most of their bug bears, its just crazy.   
Title: Re: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: Trenchcoat on May 28, 2019, 11:12:21 AM

+1. It simply does not stack up.


Then again, Trench doesn't want to use a website where a subscription of say £30 a month would be required - thereby eliminating many genuine women who might respond to his messages, especially if he was in town or imminently about to be.

You mean a FSU dating website, yes I would consider those. In UK I've done Match but that often mean't that I would be contacting women without having a clue if they were paid up members so my letter could go totally to waste as it normally did.
Title: Re: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: msmob on May 28, 2019, 03:14:51 PM
Blah, blah, blah...pathetic excuses and BS

For some reason UK women have stupid expectations and refuse to accept a guy who passes most of their bug bears, its just crazy.

For some reason you feel compelled to fail abroad because you fail here...

It's all about you..if you but cared to stop and examine your navel..

You hear this lots .but you Still blame the gals..

It is YOU ..not them...
Title: Re: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: Trenchcoat on May 29, 2019, 05:29:52 PM
Ok, never mind Moby,

Right I've deleted my Fdate profile and created a new one, with a slightly different front profile pic. First day I got about 25 views, not all in the FSU and one letter from a lady claiming to be in Kiev, she didn't look my type, slightly tanned so didn't follow up on that one. The second and third day views dwindled to about another 4 views and one more letter, from a woman in Moscow, she looked a bit butch like, into swimming and international football or something, anyway again not my type so I left her.

I wrote to a couple of girls in a provincial city in Ukraine but so far no joy, I could put in for others but wanted to see how many might contact me first really.

I usually keep either my desktop or mobile on during those three days and refreshed every so often. Even still I get the impression after the first day interest falls away fast in terms of far less exposure.

Anyone else found similar results or better/worse?
Title: Re: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: Davo on May 29, 2019, 07:26:43 PM
I spent several months on fdating and dmnotify last year. I noticed my views were down from two years ago, but I still had a good reply rate, despite my pictures being not very good quality.

Online dating started falling into place once an ex girlfriend showed me the messages she was receiving from local men.... “Hi, how are you today” etc... 90% of men opened with a boring line like this and wonder why they don’t get replies.

A good first message challenges a woman to invest time and thought  in her response and stands out from the 100’s of other messages. I typically draw on Australian stereotypes... The Steve Erwin / Crocodile Dundee stereotype that portrays Australia men a tough and fearless, Australian animals etc...  but in a humorous way. I’ll give you some examples of a messages that got me replies on fdating.

“Hello Svetlana, I have a question that only a Russian woman with your obvious intelligence can answer.... if a Russian bear and an Australian drop bear fought, which one would win?”

Svetlana has never been sent a message like this so she’s interested to see where this goes. She googled drop bears and realises that it’s a urban legend and a prank that is often played on tourists, she also sees I have a sense of humour. The photoshopped pictures online are terrifying, so she replies “of course an Aussie drop bear will win😜”

I follow up with “Svetlana, when we are trekking in the Australian bush together you will be safe with me by your side. Usually Vegemite spread behind your ears repels drop bears, but a much better way is to passionately kiss an Australian man when a drop bear is near, this will make you immune to attack😉”

In two messages I’ve shown a sense of humour, put the vision in her head of being with me in Australia and flirted in a none direct way.

I have a handful of different versions..... I’ve also used this message and combined both countries stereotypes so she can see I know a little about Russia.

“Hello Svetlana, Are you a strong Russian woman who can stop a galloping horse?..... wrangling wallabies on foot is tiring!!!😜”

This might seem childish, but I had a 50%+ reply rate last year with this type of opening message.






Title: Re: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: ML on May 29, 2019, 07:52:06 PM
I also did something like Davo in terms of humor in my first message and every message thereafter.

Only 1% or so didn't like it; and, of course, it wouldn't have worked out with them anyway.
Title: Re: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: Boomstick77 on May 30, 2019, 12:15:21 AM
Just because I’m such a sweetheart of the week I’ll post some pics of me and my honey...by the way trench..I got the cheap girl...yes...the places I rolled my eyes at..isn’t this what you wanted...I can show ya you know.
Title: Re: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: msmob on May 30, 2019, 02:56:50 AM


Right I've deleted my Fdate profile and created a new one, with a slightly different front profile pic. First day I got about 25 views, not all in the FSU and one letter from a lady claiming to be in Kiev,

chances are she'd tell you it's Kyiv - as Boethius patiently explains to you .. it's what the UK calls Ukraine's capital ..

she didn't look my type, slightly tanned so didn't follow up on that one.

Curious ?

Do you think the tan means she's been on holiday ...with another guy / another guy's money ?

BTW Trench : 

From an earlier post of yours where you state:



Skype is of course necessary if doing VO and less so if doing VM so if I pick up a VO I would of course use Skype though I know it doesn't often tell whether there is natural chemistry there.

More Twaddle: Listen to Trenchie's 'advice' at your peril ..

Video chat is a useful medium for both of you to see if there is a mutual attraction and you might avoid wasting time meeting someone that you KNOW you'll not want to meet in person
Title: Re: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: Blighty on May 30, 2019, 04:51:31 AM
chances are she'd tell you it's Kyiv - as Boethius patiently explains to you .. it's what the UK calls Ukraine's capital ..

More Anglophobic hatred from msmob. My wife finds it interesting that the English language has its own spellings for cities such as 'Kiev', 'Warsaw', etc. Not a problem for her as she enjoys being Anglophile!  :cluebat:
Title: Re: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: Trenchcoat on May 30, 2019, 06:38:48 AM
Just because I’m such a sweetheart of the week I’ll post some pics of me and my honey...by the way trench..I got the cheap girl...yes...the places I rolled my eyes at..isn’t this what you wanted...I can show ya you know.

Ok Boomstick you've got my attention, tell me more :D
Title: Re: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: Trenchcoat on May 30, 2019, 06:48:58 AM
chances are she'd tell you it's Kyiv - as Boethius patiently explains to you .. it's what the UK calls Ukraine's capital ..

Curious ?

Do you think the tan means she's been on holiday ...with another guy / another guy's money ?

BTW Trench : 

From an earlier post of yours where you state:

More Twaddle: Listen to Trenchie's 'advice' at your peril ..

Video chat is a useful medium for both of you to see if there is a mutual attraction and you might avoid wasting time meeting someone that you KNOW you'll not want to meet in person

Mobe, your obviously a guy who lets his employees do the work and spends all his time at leisure in Sochi, Georgia, Cyprus, etc, etc and just watch the money flow in of other people's hard work. For those of us that can sit around Skyping all the time for the joy of it, it's a different matter.

I have grown up knowing Kiev as Kiev, that I am happy with and used to so I stick with it. The fact that Ukraine has decided in recent years to abandon it and use the slightly differently pronounced and spelt Kyiv is down to them. Yes I know Kiev is the Russian transliteration and Kyiv the Ukrainian.

I don't see why I should have to suddenly change calling it what I call it which is very similar sounding and spelt because of political correctness/change by the Ukrainian government. I carry on doing what I am happy calling it and stuff it, I'm happy doing that so, so be it.
Title: Re: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: msmob on May 30, 2019, 07:16:45 AM
The PERFECT example of Trench in action...

You are the guy trying to date UA women and probably telling them you will not change how to spell a word.

The pronunciation is different...the emphasis..you Muppet...

BTW..the Russian guys are equal partners..even though two non FSU chaps...one being me..have funded the project..

Yup...a Muppet

Title: Re: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: Trenchcoat on May 30, 2019, 07:32:00 AM
The PERFECT example of Trench in action...

You are the guy trying to date UA women and probably telling them you will not change how to spell a word.

The pronunciation is different...the emphasis..you Muppet...

BTW..the Russian guys are equal partners..even though two non FSU chaps...one being me..have funded the project..

Yup...a Muppet

I don't mean your partners, I mean your employees, yes that's right all those underlings you know doubt regard as inferior to even be thought about doing all the work. Your of course in Georgia or whatever exotic location you seem to change to next on a weekly basis so are not there to do the work, nothing of substance of course. Seems to me that you see your roll as put the money in, the underlings do the work and you just sit back and go off continually holidaying while the cash cow keeps putting out. 
Title: Re: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: msmob on May 30, 2019, 07:38:36 AM
Muppet

All who work with me...work WITH me and share equally in the profits..

As ever, you are clueless
Title: Re: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: ML on May 30, 2019, 08:04:20 AM
Mobe, your obviously a guy who lets his employees do the work and spends all his time at leisure in Sochi, Georgia, Cyprus, etc, etc and just watch the money flow in of other people's hard work. For those of us that can sit around Skyping all the time for the joy of it, it's a different matter.

I have grown up knowing Kiev as Kiev, that I am happy with and used to so I stick with it. The fact that Ukraine has decided in recent years to abandon it and use the slightly differently pronounced and spelt Kyiv is down to them. Yes I know Kiev is the Russian transliteration and Kyiv the Ukrainian.

I don't see why I should have to suddenly change calling it what I call it which is very similar sounding and spelt because of political correctness/change by the Ukrainian government. I carry on doing what I am happy calling it and stuff it, I'm happy doing that so, so be it.

Now here you really  are totally off base.

How do you spell the capital of China and how do you pronounce it?

And now justify your different actions regarding how you spell the capital of China vs how you spell the capital of Ukraine.
Title: Re: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: SteveInBoston on May 30, 2019, 08:36:57 AM
More Anglophobic hatred from msmob. My wife finds it interesting that the English language has its own spellings for cities such as 'Kiev', 'Warsaw', etc. Not a problem for her as she enjoys being Anglophile!  :cluebat:

Kyiv is the name of the city in the English language.  The non-English spelling is Київ.  Nothing to do with being Anglophobic or Anglophilic.

Kiev is the English version of Киев, which is the Russian name for the city.  Calling it Kyiv is acknowledging and respecting a nation's determinism for it's own city.  Or just do what you do because you can't be bothered to respect the wishes of others.

Title: Re: The Chicken in KYIV
Post by: msmob on May 30, 2019, 09:27:23 AM
 Good evening, Blighty..!


I can only assume wifey served the vodka early? !)

A little visit the the BRITISH Embassy website in Ukraine will be instructive for you....and the other Muppet, Trenchcoat....

http://www.gov.uk/world/organisations/british-embassy-kyiv.uk (http://www.gov.uk/world/organisations/british-embassy-kyiv.uk)






Title: Re: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: Trenchcoat on May 30, 2019, 10:43:56 AM
Now here you really  are totally off base.

How do you spell the capital of China and how do you pronounce it?

And now justify your different actions regarding how you spell the capital of China vs how you spell the capital of Ukraine.

Well they changed it to Beijing quite a time ago now so realistic to expect people to call it that. If it's a recent change then it can't reasonably be expected of people to change their habits on other people whim.

I personally always thought Peking sounded more Chinese and quaint.
Title: Re: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: Trenchcoat on May 30, 2019, 10:46:23 AM
Muppet

All who work with me...work WITH me and share equally in the profits..

As ever, you are clueless

You mean their all laid out on the beach with you! Where do all the profits from your business come from :-\ maybe a UWO would reveal ;D
Title: Re: The Chicken in KYIV
Post by: msmob on May 30, 2019, 10:54:45 AM
 Why would the Uni of Western Ontario be interested?

Even when SC is lying on the beach, she earns.... ''Where did you buy that Bikini ?''

'SC answer: ''What colour would you like?''

You would not understand enterprise... Like most things..they are beyond you...
Title: Re: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: Boethius on May 30, 2019, 11:07:12 AM
Well they changed it to Beijing quite a time ago now so realistic to expect people to call it that. If it's a recent change then it can't reasonably be expected of people to change their habits on other people whim.

It's not a whim.  It is a transliteration, as is Beijing.

The change to Kyiv was made in 1991, so not exactly "recent".

This post was composed without the aid of google.
Title: Re: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: Trenchcoat on May 30, 2019, 11:26:05 AM
It's not a whim.  It is a transliteration, as is Beijing.

The change to Kyiv was made in 1991, so not exactly "recent".

This post was composed without the aid of google.

As said before Chicken Kiev is still Chicken Kiev not Chicken Kyiv even by Kievians/Kyivians.

And so what are we supposed to call the famous Peking Duck?
Title: Re: The Chicken in Kyiv
Post by: msmob on May 30, 2019, 12:22:51 PM
As usual, Trench is wrong....AGAIN...

http://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/Restaurant_Review-d12328627?m=19905 (http://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/Restaurant_Review-d12328627?m=19905)

At least TWO Kyiv restaurants...one called Chicken ...KYIV..

Trench.... Greeks and G.Cypriots still insist on calling Istanbul 'Constantinople'....Do you have Greek / Cypriot roots..?
Title: Re: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: Trenchcoat on May 30, 2019, 01:16:01 PM
I spent several months on fdating and dmnotify last year. I noticed my views were down from two years ago, but I still had a good reply rate, despite my pictures being not very good quality.

Online dating started falling into place once an ex girlfriend showed me the messages she was receiving from local men.... “Hi, how are you today” etc... 90% of men opened with a boring line like this and wonder why they don’t get replies.

A good first message challenges a woman to invest time and thought  in her response and stands out from the 100’s of other messages. I typically draw on Australian stereotypes... The Steve Erwin / Crocodile Dundee stereotype that portrays Australia men a tough and fearless, Australian animals etc...  but in a humorous way. I’ll give you some examples of a messages that got me replies on fdating.

“Hello Svetlana, I have a question that only a Russian woman with your obvious intelligence can answer.... if a Russian bear and an Australian drop bear fought, which one would win?”

Svetlana has never been sent a message like this so she’s interested to see where this goes. She googled drop bears and realises that it’s a urban legend and a prank that is often played on tourists, she also sees I have a sense of humour. The photoshopped pictures online are terrifying, so she replies “of course an Aussie drop bear will win😜”

I follow up with “Svetlana, when we are trekking in the Australian bush together you will be safe with me by your side. Usually Vegemite spread behind your ears repels drop bears, but a much better way is to passionately kiss an Australian man when a drop bear is near, this will make you immune to attack😉”

In two messages I’ve shown a sense of humour, put the vision in her head of being with me in Australia and flirted in a none direct way.

I have a handful of different versions..... I’ve also used this message and combined both countries stereotypes so she can see I know a little about Russia.

“Hello Svetlana, Are you a strong Russian woman who can stop a galloping horse?..... wrangling wallabies on foot is tiring!!!😜”

This might seem childish, but I had a 50%+ reply rate last year with this type of opening message.

Thanks Davo, been thinking this over. I guess there could be room for a hit of humour to kick things of and see how it goes. Normally any sort of humour than the sort that occurs naturally/randomly doesn't really grab me. I think anyone going that reminds me of the dating scene here where women want the guy to make a prize fool of himself for their entertainment just turns me off. I guess though a bit of humour like this is ok though as it's doesn't descend to that level which I hear a lot of FSW don't like anyway. Not sure what I could do for the UK though.
Title: Re: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: Boethius on May 30, 2019, 03:00:48 PM
As said before Chicken Kiev is still Chicken Kiev not Chicken Kyiv even by Kievians/Kyivians.

And so what are we supposed to call the famous Peking Duck?


I wasn't referring to chicken kiev (which is a dish of Russian, not Ukrainian origin, based on French influences).  I was referring to the city.


This post was composed without the aid of google.
Title: Re: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: Trenchcoat on May 30, 2019, 03:16:15 PM

I wasn't referring to chicken kiev (which is a dish of Russian, not Ukrainian origin, based on French influences).  I was referring to the city.


This post was composed without the aid of google.

Well Kyiv is just the Ukrainian spelling of Kiev in English. If Chicken Kiev is of Russian origin then maybe Kyiv shouldn't be called Kyiv at all but something completely different of Ukrainian origin perhaps?
Title: Re: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: Boethius on May 30, 2019, 03:55:18 PM
Kyiv has a different pronunciation than does Kiev, as ML pointed out.  Furthermore, Kyiv is the transliteration the Ukrainian government wants, just as the Chinese government wants Beijing, not Peking, and the Indian government wants Mumbai rather than Bombay.

As for the culinary argument, it's irrelevant.  Crab Rangoon was invented in the US, not Myanmar (Rangoon is now known as Yangon).  General Tso's chicken is named after a real Chinese warrior, though the dish is also American.  Russian dressing was invented in America, and is practically unknown in Russia.  Similarly, Russian tea cakes are an American invented Christmas cookie unknown in Russia. 

Well Kyiv is just the Ukrainian spelling of Kiev in English. If Chicken Kiev is of Russian origin then maybe Kyiv shouldn't be called Kyiv at all but something completely different of Ukrainian origin perhaps?

Chicken kiev is of French origin - invented by a French chef who lived in Russia.

The name "Kyiv" comes from neither Russian nor Ukrainian, but from one of the three founders of the city, Kyi, one of the leaders of the Polianians, a Slavic tribe (ETA - this is according to the Primary Chronicles).  Their language was Proto-Slavic, so neither Russian nor Ukrainian.  The city has had the same name for over 1,500 years.  There is no reason to change it.

This post was composed without the aid of google.
Title: Re: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: Trenchcoat on May 30, 2019, 04:08:19 PM
Kyiv has a different pronunciation than does Kiev, as ML pointed out.  Furthermore, Kyiv is the transliteration the Ukrainian government wants, just as the Chinese government wants Beijing, not Peking, and the Indian government wants Mumbai rather than Bombay.


As for the culinary argument, it's irrelevant.  Crab Rangoon was invented in the US, not Myanmar (Rangoon is now known as Yangon).  General Tso's chicken is named after a real Chinese warrior, though the dish is also American.  Russian dressing is invented in America, and practically unknown in Russia.  Similarly, Russian tea cakes are an American invented Christmas cookie. 


This post was composed without the aid of google.

I preferred Bombay, sounds much more dramatic and exotic.

None of those dishes you mention I am at all familiar with. I really do think people should stick with what they are happy with, never mind what governments want, it's what people want to do that counts, their free will.
Title: Re: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: Boethius on May 30, 2019, 04:16:02 PM
If you know educated Ukrainians who speak English well, they will tell you they prefer "Kyiv" because they are Ukrainians.


It doesn't really matter what you find the "best".  It's what the people of that region desire that should govern.  It's disrespectful to not consider their wishes.


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Title: Re: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: Trenchcoat on May 30, 2019, 04:42:08 PM
If you know educated Ukrainians who speak English well, they will tell you they prefer "Kyiv" because they are Ukrainians.


It doesn't really matter what you find the "best".  It's what the people of that region desire that should govern.  It's disrespectful to not consider their wishes.


This post was composed without the aid of google.

I just do as I please, besides there are also Ukrainians who speak Russian/of Russian descent.
Title: Re: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: Trenchcoat on June 05, 2019, 04:53:36 PM
Wanted to put this thread in a more appropriate context than it might have looked. As said the trip to Kiev here was more an exploratory venture and on that front I learnt a fair bit so was somewhat successful. It was never a full on attempt to get a girl on any terms.

Other than learning about other possible techniques to work on using and more knowledge about Ukrainian society reflecting backI got an idea of more where I need to be as a person. I think that some guys myself included in this venture don't always realise where they fall short on the making a good partner/husband/potential father front, perhaps more so those of us like myself that have not had a family, married, etc.

I think the main thing is that I could get better set up in my life to deal with if I got a FSW come over here. Not so much the financial front, that of course and has been gone over on here by many forum members but more on the lifestyle front. That I really need  to develop more as at the moment in some areas I have a single guy mindset. Not that, that would hinder getting set up with a FSW here but that it's not really the established setup that is perhaps more necessary, moreso probably for someone my age in my early forties. I realised that there are aspects of UK life that a FSW would need a UK guy to be on top off as she would be relying on a UK guy 'much more' than a UK girl would. While I could generally sort this stuff I wouldn't necessarily be self reliant doing so on all of it and that's not really the position to be in. To sum up I need to be able to lead the way more than just moseying along as that is what a FSW would likely generally need of a guy when in the UK and at the moment I wouldn't necessarily be leading or being able to fulfill all that needs to be done in all aspects only some of them.
Title: Re: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: krimster2 on June 05, 2019, 07:43:53 PM
yes, your thoughts on this are correct
so what can you do to "improve yourself"?
any thoughts on this?

if I were at your age and in your position
I think I would play "all angles" and not put all my eggs in one basket
so don't just focus on Ukraine or Belarus, which looks like it might be a long shot for you
I'd keep trying in the UK, at least your efforts there don't require all the travel logistics
I'll repeat previous advice, have a female friend/relative "critique" you and point out your weak spots from a female perspective
join social groups, organizations, clubs, etc and network, network and start socially interacting more frequently
doesn't your family have a big social network?
my relatives in the UK do, if I were living there, I could easily use this network to meet wimmin

 
 
Title: Re: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: msmob on June 06, 2019, 12:14:12 AM
Well done, Krimster!

You still have patience with Trench..

Trench, what do your friends think about your little trips? What do you tell them?...
Title: Re: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: Trenchcoat on June 06, 2019, 02:30:11 AM
yes, your thoughts on this are correct
so what can you do to "improve yourself"?
any thoughts on this?

if I were at your age and in your position
I think I would play "all angles" and not put all my eggs in one basket
so don't just focus on Ukraine or Belarus, which looks like it might be a long shot for you
I'd keep trying in the UK, at least your efforts there don't require all the travel logistics
I'll repeat previous advice, have a female friend/relative "critique" you and point out your weak spots from a female perspective
join social groups, organizations, clubs, etc and network, network and start socially interacting more frequently
doesn't your family have a big social network?
my relatives in the UK do, if I were living there, I could easily use this network to meet wimmin

Too true Krim, well my family does not have a big social network, least of all my mother - she has none whatsoever save for her children and own family, brother, etc who she rarely sees, i.e my relatives. My father was better on the social front than my mother but the combination of being with her and work meant that dwindled to similar situation. He did use to get on well with work colleagues though, but he past a long while ago now.

That just leaves my brother and sister. My sister has a few but she has always been independent and likes to keep her own life, though I am on good terms with her I only see her a few times a year. My brother I am closer too but he only knows a few people, I have met them also and they are decent people.

Other than that my social circle is virtually non-existent. It's been a while since Uni so there are just aquantainces and work. I work a lot doing my own projects in addition to my job so I don't really have a lot of time to meet people and socialize a lot.

I think that's the problem though that in the past  I relied on the small social circle of other family members for stuff like getting references and getting stuff signed for passports, etc and of course a next door neighbour I was on good terms with for a long while who has since passed. I think that's the issue that I need to be more self reliant on the social front as it's not really great to be relying on the social circle of family members when needing to get stuff done for a FSW in the UK. I had a few thoughts on this while I was away and think I have more of an idea on what to do now. Generally this involves joining specific groups where I may meet the right people that may help me out in the above mentioned situations and similar as needs be and who I can get along with bring around and socializing with. I have some thoughts on this and will update shortly but right now need to rest :)
Title: Re: The Chicken in KYIV
Post by: msmob on June 06, 2019, 03:45:55 AM
Well done, Trench, really !

This must have been a difficult post to put to paper ..

You need to work more days a week and find a hobby


While not do a job that involves more social interaction ? 
Title: Re: The Chicken in KYIV
Post by: Trenchcoat on June 06, 2019, 07:50:43 AM
Well done, Trench, really !

This must have been a difficult post to put to paper ..

You need to work more days a week and find a hobby


While not do a job that involves more social interaction ?

Thanks Mobe, apprieciate it :) Yeah, it wasn't the easiest post as I never really realised that I was weak in this area till I went away this time and saw the local competition, generally somewhat younger guys sat with their girls in Marinsky Park. They were quite smartly dressed and looked all together and are probably the best of what Kiev/Kyiv has to offer a young Kievian/Kyivian girl there. Odds are that they looked like the probably had their sh*t together and not weak in the areas I am. So I guess it focused me on what I have to offer a FSW, not so much what I do have to offer her and my strengths but more where I fall short and not look good to a FSW. Growing up as a kid I tended to rely on the odd few family contacts or Collage lecturers to help me out but as I grow older I should really be able to be more self sufficient on that front and that is likely what a FSW would expect.

Well to answer your question, the job I kind of get some social interaction which is better than none which can be the case in some jobs. This is probably good for me to some extent but it's not the sort of social interaction where my work life can extend into my social life. I could change my job but it's not always easy to find one with the right working environment where work life can extend into social life. Some office jobs for example vary, you can go into one company and it's all casual and friendly then you can go into another and it's all stiff and sterile and no one talks to each other and it's like you've been sentenced to sit out your days like a silent monk. Many of those places are just unpleasant places to be so at least it's friendly where I work at the moment.

I could do more hours and will probably look for such in the new year or even two part time jobs. At the moment I am finishing off converting my house and that will take about six months. It's at the critical stage where I need to keep a consistent income over the next three to four months and also time to commit to it so it's not left incomplete and looking a real mess. I'm about turning the corner on all of it now and getting to the more aesthetic tasks which will make the difference. In fact you raising this has got me thinking that holding onto my existing job while finding another more social job part time might be the best way to scout for another or a better job. In the past I have gone for jobs I thought would be lovely only to be chucking it in shortly after starting as I couldn't stand the job once I tried it. So keeping my existing job on for a bit may help to avoid ending up high and dry.

Hobbies and Interests a lot of people tend to punt forward when discussing the social sort of area. I've done stuff in the past, tried new things etc mostly for wanting to try them more than anything. I tend to find it's not really a big win socially for me doing that stuff, it can be fun and interesting to do though. I know what you're saying though it kind of at least shows a girl a more leisurely side to me than just work type of stuff & hanging out at home with family or TV.

That brings me to my idea of what to do, again it's not something I want to do for a number of months. The reason is Brexit, that I would want that done and out the way before doing so. I day this as I'm thinking about joining my local political party and hence I don't want immediate fallings out over Brexit. I'm not thinking of going regularly but more casually and informally should it look the right place/at ease doing so. So this will hopefully put me in touch with some casual meetings and contacts. If I can become familiar more with the local councillor then that would be handy for the stuff described above. I would like to be on genuine friendly terms with those I can feel at ease with.

So what party you may ask? Well while my family lives around the South of England and where I spend some of my time my property is in South Wales. So my local councillor is Labour and that is traditionally the party I feel closest affiliation too. Not to say I have always agreed with all of their policies or leaders, I was never a fan of Blair at all. I preferred Gordon Brown and Jeremy Corbyn much more even though on one or two areas I think Jeremy Corbyn is a bit back in the day.

Ideally then I need to join a party where the local councillor gets in regularly and is not a toss up between two political parties. For most regions of Wales that's nearly always Labour which is handy because it's where I feel closest affiliation too. Where my family lives it's a toss up between the Lib Dems and the Tories and neither I could be comfortable joining or as far as the Tories are concerned even voting for even if I do share similar outlook on one or two of their policies.

So that's really the state of play at the moment, I'm not looking to getting heavily involved with a political party but more as a casual social opportunity, maybe attend a few low key social events or activities they might offer and see how it goes. If I look into it and it seems too stiff & starchy I'll look elsewhere but at the moment it's not a bad idea I think.
Title: Re: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: pitbull on June 06, 2019, 08:04:10 AM
Well done, Krimster!

You still have patience with Trench..

Trench, what do your friends think about your little trips? What do you tell them?...
How can you even allow a thought the Trench has A friend let alone "friendS", after reading his posts?
Title: Re: The Chicken in KYIV
Post by: pitbull on June 06, 2019, 08:06:02 AM
Thanks Move, appreciate it :) Yeah, it wasn't the easiest post as I never really realised that I was weak in this area till I went away this time and saw the local competition, generally somewhat younger guys sat with their girls in Marinsky Park. They were quite smartly dressed and looked all together and are probably the best of what Kiev/Kyiv has to offer a young Kievian/Kyivian girl there. Odds are that they looked like the probably had their sh*t together and not weak in the areas I am. So I guess it focused me on what I have to offer a FSW, not so much what I do have to offer her and my strengths but more where I fall short and not look good to a FSW. Growing up as a kid I tended to rely on the odd few family contacts or Collage lecturers to help me out but as I grow older I should really be able to be more self sufficient on that front and that is likely what a FSW would expect.

Well to answer your question, the job I kind of get some social interaction which is better than none which can be the case in some jobs. This is probably good for me to some extent but it's not the sort of social interaction where my work life can extend into my social life. I could change my job but it's not always easy to find one with the right working environment where work life can extend into social life. Some office jobs for example vary, you can go into one company and it's all casual and friendly then you can go into another and it's all stiff and sterile and no one talks to each other and it's like you've been sentenced to sit out your days like a silent monk. Many of those places are just unpleasant places to be so at least it's friendly where I work at the moment.

I could do more hours and will probably look for such in the new year or even two part time jobs. At the moment I am finishing off converting my house and that will take about six months. It's at the critical stage where I need to keep a consistent income over the next three to four months and also time to commit to it so it's not left incomplete and looking a real mess. I'm about turning the corner on all of it now and getting to the more aesthetic tasks which will make the difference. In fact you raising this has got me thinking that holding onto my existing job while finding another more social job part time might be the best way to scout for another or a better job. In the past I have gone for jobs I thought would be lovely only to be chucking it in shortly after starting as I couldn't stand the job once I tried it. So keeping my existing job on for a bit may help to avoid ending up high and dry.

Hobbies and Interests a lot of people tend to punt forward when discussing the social sort of area. I've done stuff in the past, tried new things etc mostly for wanting to try them more than anything. I tend to find it's not really a big win socially for me doing that stuff, it can be fun and interesting to do though. I know what you're saying though it kind of at least shows a girl a more leisurely side to me than just work type of stuff & hanging out at home with family or TV.

That brings me to my idea of what to do, again it's not something I want to do for a number of months. The reason is Brexit, that I would want that done and out the way before doing so. I day this as I'm thinking about joining my local political party and hence I don't want immediate fallings out over Brexit. I'm not thinking of going regularly but more casually and informally should it look the right place/at ease doing so. So this will hopefully put me in touch with some casual meetings and contacts. If I can become familiar more with the local councillor then that would be handy for the stuff described above. I would like to be on genuine friendly terms with those I can feel at ease with.

So what party you may ask? Well while my family lives around the South of England and where I spend some of my time my property is in South Wales. So my local councillor is Labour and that is traditionally the party I feel closest affiliation too. Not to say I have always agreed with all of their policies or leaders, I was never a fan of Blair at all. I preferred Gordon Brown and Jeremy Corbyn much more even though on one or two areas I think Jeremy Corbyn is a bit back in the day.

Ideally then I need to join a party where the local councillor gets in regularly and is not a toss up between two political parties. For most regions of Wales that's nearly always Labour which is handy because it's where I feel closest affiliation too. Where my family lives it's a toss up between the Lib Dems and the Tories and neither I could be comfortable joining or as far as the Tories are concerned even voting for even if I do share similar outlook on one or two of their policies.

So that's really the state of play at the moment, I'm not looking to getting heavily involved with a political party but more as a casual social opportunity, maybe attend a few low key social events or activities they might offer and see how it goes. If I look into it and it seems too stiff & starchy I'll look elsewhere but at the moment it's not a bad idea I think.
OMG, you are SOOO aspie!
Dude, it is too late, you are in your forties. You either have or  not by this age. You do not AND you are an aspie. It is not going to happen for ya, sorry.
Title: Re: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: krimster2 on June 06, 2019, 09:29:52 AM
I have Asperger's and have a close personal friend Bill Gross (google, if you don't know who he is) who is also an Aspie
we are nearly identical in our aspects of not being neurotypical
except we collect different things
we also both have great families...

however, when I was younger, I went to therapy to help get my external symptoms under control
counting, repetitive behavior, rhyming oddball speech...
after that, no one other than family and friends knew I have Asperger's and some amount of eccentricity in scientists/engineers is considered normal

there's a trade-off for being an Aspie, if you're lucky like Bill Gross and myself
it's the Aspie that makes you successful as opposed to it being an obstacle for success
people have a lot of misconceptions about Autism Spectrum Disorder of which Asperger's is a part
Asperger's are very high functioning I have a very high level of emotional intelligence

Aspies however, are prone to develop a rigid, inflexible style of living
and once they develop a routine, are reluctant to change it
I once ate the same thing for lunch every day, for a couple of years in a row
and had no problem with that!

so if someone like Trench were to get into a socially isolated style of living
once that pattern gets set, it's tough for him to break it
that's why it's easier for him to go to Ukraine and try then it is at home

Pitbull, please don't tell me you're a mental health care provider
if so, your bedside manner could use some work
but I still think you'd make a great gulag guard


Title: Re: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: Trenchcoat on June 06, 2019, 10:09:35 AM
How can you even allow a thought the Trench has A friend let alone "friendS", after reading his posts?

I've had the odd friend here and there in the past like when at uni. Most of the time it is more friendly aquantainces or loose aquantainces. People move on over time and loose touch. Generally I am closer to my family then I have ever been with other people. I'm not particularly socially skilled when it comes to socializing with others and don't tend to have lots of time on my hands to do so anyway. Like I say I tend to be closest to my Brother and hanged out with him a lot so we were like close friends also. End of the day we are all different and most tend to have strengths and weaknesses.

To be honest I've never been a groupie sort of guy but more an individual. That doesn't bother me so much as hanging around others like I'm chained up to them would do my head in. As would talking about nothing in particular for a long period of time while nothing productive happens. I tend to enjoy lots of shortish conversations over time that end when anything meaningful has been said. I'm not the only guy around like this I have met and know of others that are similar minded.
Title: Re: The Chicken in KYIV
Post by: Trenchcoat on June 06, 2019, 10:26:46 AM
OMG, you are SOOO aspie!
Dude, it is too late, you are in your forties. You either have or  not by this age. You do not AND you are an aspie. It is not going to happen for ya, sorry.

I'm not an Aspie, if I thought I was I would have no problem admitting to it. I know it's a kind of spectrum disorder that has various symptoms so is not always easy to diagnose. However after looking at the symptoms and taking online tests none to little of it relates to me. I of course come out in that direction on the online tests but not near enough the boundary line to be one. I have no real obsessive tendancies, I can be enthusiastic when it comes to topics I enjoy but I can switch off and take time out and not dedicate my whole self to the task. I have never had any reptative or rhyming issues like Krim. Most people do some stuff with repetition like in certain jobs. Any reptative stuff I do is because there is usually a sound underlying reason for it, or at work I try whenever possible to park in the same spot nearest the door so less far to walk so quicker getting in & out, etc.

With me I think it's just a case where my mother has genes where she is not very good in social settings and she past those genes onto me than any specific disorder. Different people vary in the time alone they need and in how outgoing they are or the feel of needing to want to be with others. Some people have the opposite problem where they are too clingy and fear not being around someone just for the sake of it and that can be a turn off in relationships as well  particularly for guys if they are seen as needy by a girl. So at least that is one problem I don't have.

I think that solutions like I have ventured can solve the issues I have. I don't really feel the need for having loads of people contacting me all the time, it would get inconvenient and a little irritating after a while. I just need a bit more going on in the social side of things including contacts where not a lot is going on at the moment. It's a weakness but one I think I can rectify a bit without having to go overboard.
Title: Re: The Chicken in KYIV
Post by: pitbull on June 06, 2019, 11:11:48 AM
I'm not an Aspie, if I thought I was I would have no problem admitting to it. I know it's a kind of spectrum disorder that has various symptoms so is not always easy to diagnose. However after looking at the symptoms and taking online tests none to little of it relates to me. I of course come out in that direction on the online tests but not near enough the boundary line to be one. I have no real obsessive tendancies, I can be enthusiastic when it comes to topics I enjoy but I can switch off and take time out and not dedicate my whole self to the task. I have never had any reptative or rhyming issues like Krim. Most people do some stuff with repetition like in certain jobs. Any reptative stuff I do is because there is usually a sound underlying reason for it, or at work I try whenever possible to park in the same spot nearest the door so less far to walk so quicker getting in & out, etc.

With me I think it's just a case where my mother has genes where she is not very good in social settings and she past those genes onto me than any specific disorder. Different people vary in the time alone they need and in how outgoing they are or the feel of needing to want to be with others. Some people have the opposite problem where they are too clingy and fear not being around someone just for the sake of it and that can be a turn off in relationships as well  particularly for guys if they are seen as needy by a girl. So at least that is one problem I don't have.

I think that solutions like I have ventured can solve the issues I have. I don't really feel the need for having loads of people contacting me all the time, it would get inconvenient and a little irritating after a while. I just need a bit more going on in the social side of things including contacts where not a lot is going on at the moment. It's a weakness but one I think I can rectify a bit without having to go overboard.
This is not a matter of admitting or not admitting it. not all aspies are rigid and have repetitive behaviors at all. ALL of them are socially impaired on some level. You just do not relate to people, humans, in a neurotypical way. You simply don't get it, and you should have received therapy long ago.  You should find a really good therapist/neurologist specializing in Aspie adults and receive it now, maybe after that something could change for the better for you. All your plans to improve in your area of deficiency that you described in the latest posts scream aspie and just won't work.
Title: Re: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: krimster2 on June 06, 2019, 11:29:11 AM
Trench, many people on the spectrum have great relationships with others
I am blessed to be one of them
conversely, many people who are neurotypical like PittBull for example
are overtly antisocial and don't know how to work and play well with others

Trench..

seek and ye shall find...
just get out of your rut, don't be afraid to make changes, like moving to a better location, for example...




 
Title: Re: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: pitbull on June 06, 2019, 11:34:46 AM
Trench, many people on the spectrum have great relationships with others
I am blessed to be one of them
conversely, many people who are neurotypical like PittBull for example
are overtly antisocial and don't know how to work and play well with others

Trench..

seek and ye shall find...
just get out of your rut, don't be afraid to make changes, like moving to a better location, for example...

Yes one could compensate for own inadequacy by buying other people’s affection like krimster.

Trench doesn’t have the $ to buy himself a wife that would put up
With him though
Title: Re: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: Ranetka on June 06, 2019, 12:06:24 PM
My 2 cents as I can no longer fight the urge to help :D 


Firstly, doesn’t matter if you can be diagnosed as aspie or not, you have enough autistic traits where social interactions/relationships are concerned. I wouldn’t bother with therapy as you either need to be officially diagnosed or be paying for it and you don’t really have budget for it.


Secondly I have Asperger and done fairly well for myself, I read a lot, watched people interact a lot and basically done a lot of work on myself which improved my life tremendously. (I also have a fairly sociable partner who helps me a lot but that’s not relevant for you).


I would say that politics might not be ideal as by definition there could be disagreements etc and at your way of how you interact with people you will severely p@@@ss people off...


Pick up dancing, anything social, salsa, tango, ceroc, west coast swing etc. Anything that does not require having a set partner.


1. Social dancing has more women than men and therefore men are precious. You could be as awkward as you like they will still be friendly to you.
2. You can spend as much or as little money as you please. Starting from £8 for a weekly class, that will be enough to take you out once a week and create wide social circle.
3.You can talk as much as you please as well. In fact you can say as little as few hellos in the whole evening and still have fantastic time. You do not have to try, women will talk to you, if you feel connection you can talk, if not you don’t really have to and you will not be considered rude.


4. Every single dancing man I know had dates,,,it’s very easy to become friends due to nature of the hobby, it just opens people up very quickly...


5. It’s damn enjoyable, you just need to overcome unevitable shyness at the start but one of your obvious virtues is you are persistent so should be no problems there...


Just give it a try!




In no time you will have a wide social circle and most of them will be women! (As again by nature of the hobby you will know a lot of women as you
‘D be dancing with them...) if you pick up ceroc there is a culture of women asking men to dance and overall friendliness...you literally need to sit on your bum looking clean and they will be asking you to dance...your age will also be a big plus, most people dancing ceroc in the uk are around that age.
Title: Re: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: krimster2 on June 06, 2019, 12:32:37 PM
cool...
thanks for coming forward!!!!
DANCING!!!
that's an EXCELLENT suggestion for Trench!!!
and fun as well, least I thought so...

I have a cousin who lives in the UK, and he tells me the area where I think Trench lives the East Midlands, is literally the worst place in the UK for meeting women
in the USA, it was the "Bay Area" right below San Francisco, which of course is where I happened to live when I was single
it was much harder for guys there, but when I was in either Manhattan or Washington DC, dating was easy
HUGE contrast, my cousin who was from the midlands originally, moved to London, and he says opportunities for meeting women is much better there, he's married now...
something you need to consider Trench, break out of your rut man, change who you are, by changing where you live
move someplace better!!!

Title: Re: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: ML on June 06, 2019, 12:33:30 PM

1. Social dancing has more women than men and therefore men are precious. You could be as awkward as you like they will still be friendly to you.

4. Every single dancing man I know had dates,,,it’s very easy to become friends due to nature of the hobby, it just opens people up very quickly...

Over the past years, I have heard from 3 single men in 45-60 age group who have gone on vacation cruises.
They could dance.  Once the women discovered that, they had more female dance partners of all ages than they could handle.  And Ranetka is correct, the women sought out the men.

The downside:  For most of the women . . . dancing was more appealing to them than sex with a man.
Of course women can have orgasms while dancing, so many of them had enjoyed dancing and sex at the same time . . . while leaving the men high and dry with blue balls.
Title: Re: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: Ranetka on June 06, 2019, 12:39:36 PM
Over the past years, I have heard from 3 single men in 45-60 age group who have gone on vacation cruises.
They could dance.  Once the women discovered that, they had more female dance partners of all ages than they could handle.  And Ranetka is correct, the women sought out the men.

The downside:  For most of the women . . . dancing was more appealing to them than sex with a man.
Of course women can have orgasms while dancing, so many of them had enjoyed dancing and sex at the same time . . . while leaving the men high and dry with blue balls.


Well if he starts thinking every dancing partner wants to have sex with him he’d become a pariah very soon. Nothing more disgusting than that on the dance floor....But for building social networks and meeting lots of women some of whom might be interested in him it is the best hobby I can think of.



Title: Re: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: krimster2 on June 06, 2019, 12:44:39 PM
I have a Russian friend who lives in Houston, a little over age 50
this is EXACTLY how he meets the ladies, and if you live in a large city, there are an equally large number of these places to check out
he does quite well there

then Trench, I think it's Friday afternoon when they have the dance contests in Shevchenko Park!!!
go and knock em out man...

practice your charm Trench, learn how to smile
despite being diagnosed with Asperger's I really don't have any problem "connecting" with people and I would doubt you would if you found a compatible person
the problem as I see it, is you have a tendency to live alone and isolated and you've grown comfortable with that
and this environment doesn't provide you with enough social contacts so you could find someone compatible
and with a lack of social experience you have to struggle more...

the solution, hit the reset button Trench, move to London me bruv
yeah, I'm sure it won't be easy
but truth is usually on the side of that which is the most difficult



 
Title: Re: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: ML on June 06, 2019, 12:45:53 PM
Nothing more disgusting than that on the dance floor....

Oh, I suspect much more disgusting things have happened on dance floors.
Title: Re: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: Ranetka on June 06, 2019, 12:46:10 PM
One more time as a warning. Social dancing is not equal to night club. It is a hobby to meet people, not for hook up. Men who try to pick women up become known and avoided very soon. It’s a small world, dancing. Just thought i’d Clarify what I actually mean. But I honestly think it’s the best way for a socially awkward man to meet lots of women.
Title: Re: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: Ranetka on June 06, 2019, 12:46:47 PM
Oh, I suspect a lot more disgusting things have happened on dance floors.


You suspect but I actually know.
Title: Re: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: krimster2 on June 06, 2019, 01:07:18 PM
Ranetka,
if you don't mind me asking, what's it like growing up Aspie in Russia?
did you have conflicts with parents, peers, were you bullied for being different when you were younger?
do you also have some kind of skill or talent that's not neurotypical?
also curious about your family history
and how it may possibly relate to you being an Aspie...
I'm gonna make a wild prediction, that there's something, some variation from what is "typical" in Russia
was your mother one ethnicity and your father another for instance (not that that would be abnormal in Russia)
hope I'm not prying, I sometimes have difficulty understanding social boundaries  :)


Title: Re: The Chicken in KYIV
Post by: msmob on June 06, 2019, 01:27:04 PM

Well if he starts thinking every dancing partner wants to have sex with him he’d become a pariah very soon.

Thank Goodness...

As I read this thread SC called from a dance outside in the grounds of a nearby Sochi resort hotel... ( it's very warm there, tonight )

Judging by the video link, the guys were out numbered 5 to 1

When she gyrated with her friends I was passed from lady e to have a virtual dance with as I prepared supper.))

(http://i.imgur.com/Rd5TcWd.jpg)

If she doesn't call, soon - I guess she met a guy who could move ..
Title: Re: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: Ranetka on June 06, 2019, 01:28:33 PM
Ranetka,
if you don't mind me asking, what's it like growing up Aspie in Russia?
did you have conflicts with parents, peers, were you bullied for being different when you were younger?
do you also have some kind of skill or talent that's not neurotypical?
also curious about your family history
and how it may possibly relate to you being an Aspie...
I'm gonna make a wild prediction, that there's something, some variation from what is "typical" in Russia
was your mother one ethnicity and your father another for instance (not that that would be abnormal in Russia)
hope I'm not prying, I sometimes have difficulty understanding social boundaries  :)


I wrote you a really thorough reply unfortunately it got killed :-( so in short



No my parents were both Russian,


Growing was not bad as at school you are surrounded by people who grew up with you and accepting for who you are. Same as uni I had a very small group of friends who I am still in contact with. Trouble began when I entered the work force as you are always on display and don’t understand politics. Immigration until i found out I have Asperger was pure hell. I think Russian culture is more accepting of weird people and just tend to leave them alone. Uk culture puts a lot more emphasis on being friendly and ‘nice’ and basically ostracise ‘weirdos’. Dancing at the time saved my life, literally.
Title: Re: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: Ranetka on June 06, 2019, 01:40:20 PM
Talents I am very high functioning, member of Mensa, a very good dancer, very good with languages, can learn anything very fast, can predict development of practically any movie. ...fixed my car when it was broken with help of google, learnt everything from knitting to rapid reading myself...I don’t know , I am very good at everything that require thinking until I hit the issue where there are too many random variables and I need to make a decision based on intuition or ‘feel’ - I collapse then  and unable to make a decision which causes a mini meltdown.
Title: Re: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: Ranetka on June 06, 2019, 01:42:24 PM
I am pretty sure if a high functioning aspie apply aspie determination in developing social skills they will improve themselves massively, the problem are neurotypical advices how to make friends wouldn’t help an aspie...
Title: Re: The Chicken in KYIV
Post by: msmob on June 06, 2019, 01:49:30 PM
Talents I am very high functioning, member of Mensa, a very good dancer, very good with languages, can learn anything very fast, can predict development of practically any movie. ...fixed my car when it was broken with help of google, learnt everything from knitting to rapid reading myself...I don’t know , I am very good at everything that require thinking until I hit the issue where there are too many random variables and I need to make a decision based on intuition or ‘feel’ - I collapse then  and unable to make a decision which causes a mini meltdown.

You should meet one of my RU programming mates - who is currently going through the UK work Permit process !

He is mildly autistic, incapable of telling a fib, but socially inept  - yet loves intelligent company ... He is awkward - but amazingly popular with his friends




He cannot dance, has never ridden a bicycle or driven  a car  - but is infuriatingly correct on many subjects and intelligent beyond belief


I hope the Brits treat him as well as his RU friends do - he is already 'upset' that the Red banner Degree he got - treated as a Masters in all EU countries - save the UK - at only 17 is only treated as a first honours class honours BSc degree - well good enough for his VISA status
Title: Re: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: krimster2 on June 06, 2019, 02:16:51 PM
“I am very good at everything that require thinking until I hit the issue where there are too many random variables and I need to make a decision based on intuition or ‘feel’ - I collapse then  and unable to make a decision which causes a mini meltdown. “

I call this feeling, “analysis paralysis”

also people on the spectrum are more likely to have other conditions like bi-polar disorder
so it’s like being on two roller coasters simultaneously while trying to maintain your balance

when I was a teen, I had a tendency towards spectacularly  bizarre behavior
that all came to an end after high school when I joined the military, they pretty much beat the Aspie out of me, Aspies make great soldiers, but it wasn’t what I wanted to do with my life
so after that I spent 6 great years at univ

now my oldest daughter’s turn to do the same, the circle of life fullfilled

my talent is electronics
damn I’m lucky that it’s that and NOT med-evil French literature

Title: Re: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: Patagonie on June 06, 2019, 02:28:34 PM
“I am very good at everything that require thinking until I hit the issue where there are too many random variables and I need to make a decision based on intuition or ‘feel’ - I collapse then  and unable to make a decision which causes a mini meltdown. “

I call this feeling, “analysis paralysis”

also people on the spectrum are more likely to have other conditions like bi-polar disorder
so it’s like being on two roller coasters simultaneously while trying to maintain your balance

when I was a teen, I had a tendency towards spectacularly  bizarre behavior
that all came to an end after high school when I joined the military, they pretty much beat the Aspie out of me, Aspies make great soldiers, but it wasn’t what I wanted to do with my life
so after that I spent 6 great years at univ

now my oldest daughter’s turn to do the same, the circle of life fullfilled

my talent is electronics
damn I’m lucky that it’s that and NOT med-evil French literature
I could help you in this way, i had (have) some talent  :welcome:
Title: Re: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: krimster2 on June 06, 2019, 02:41:28 PM
I used to collect French Breviaries made in the 12th to 15th century, weird hobby
wish I spoke French as my first language, this language allows for much more connection between language and meaning than English, to me at least

resentiment


Title: Re: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: Patagonie on June 06, 2019, 02:56:36 PM
I used to collect French Breviaries made in the 12th to 15th century, weird hobby
wish I spoke French as my first language, this language allows for much more connection between language and meaning than English, to me at least

resentiment
Really? At least your hobby was very unique.
I like english, under the limits of my own level, because it helps to shrink the same message in a compressend length, and allows me to explore new sound associations in a poetic purpose.
Couldn't tell about the range tessitura of english, but the french language truely allows a very wise range spectrum, in the symbolic range especially connected to musical  recall of the voyels or consonant
Title: Re: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: Patagonie on June 06, 2019, 02:59:44 PM
Krim what you read under my signature is a pure composition of mine mixing the three languages
"Je glissais through the paper wall, an angel in the hand, s taboy. I lay on the floor, surgi des chants de Maldoror, je mix l'intégrale de mes nuits de crystal, i belong to the festival"
You will find a two languages poem  (maybe two if i remind correctly) in my saga "operation white panther".
Title: Re: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: Patagonie on June 06, 2019, 03:07:09 PM
Back to the trip.

Trench stay tuned, i just come back today from Ukraine. I was in Kiev 3 days and in Dnipro 3 days.
Back in the game, without almost no preparation Trench, and i scored Trench.

Will tell you later all about it in "operation white panther".

Trench, as Krim i believe in you. He is right you have an incredible quality, you are persistant, with no revenge in mind and can handle a lot of shit on you.

Just what i could tell you : i have improved my skills in russian last eight months and it makes a big difference guy.

I would like to for every two messages on three, to abord to type the message and practice five minutes of russian. It is really worth rather than to elaborate there about everything. Be a little selfish and spend 2/3 of your time on russian and not on RWD
Title: Re: The Chicken in Kyiv
Post by: msmob on June 06, 2019, 03:12:11 PM
Back to the trip.

Trench stay tuned, i just come back today from Ukraine. I was in Kiev

You were in Kyiv, surely ? ;)

As for Trech

He deserves EVERYTHING he gets - until he stops offering 'advice' and listens
Title: Re: The Chicken in Kyiv
Post by: Patagonie on June 06, 2019, 03:13:52 PM
You were in Kyiv, surely ? ;)

As for Trech

He deserves EVERYTHING he gets - until he stops offering 'advice' and listens
If you prefer, i usually write Kiev and pronounce it Kyiv.
Title: Re: The Chicken in Kyiv
Post by: msmob on June 06, 2019, 03:25:36 PM
If you prefer, i usually write Kiev and pronounce it Kyiv.

OK, I will call 'Parie' Parris .. ;)
Title: Re: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: krimster2 on June 06, 2019, 03:32:33 PM
"Krim what you read under my signature is a pure composition of mine mixing the three languages "

well simple mixing is fine, just don't try to make any of those triple-entendres, because I think alleged triple entendres are usually just misunderstood homophones

Patagonie with your quite specific interests was wondering if you ever heard of Heilung?
I saw them in concert last year, if you can chill while being surrounded by neo-nazis and skin heads as well as I can then you'll be fine
surprised at the INCREDIBLE music scene between the UK, Holland and France, all easy to get to for a weekend if you live over there
very, very nice
Title: Re: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: Gator on June 06, 2019, 04:06:05 PM

My 2 cents as I can no longer fight the urge to help :D 


Ranetka,  You are a true gem.  Great advice to Trench. 

I don't know anything about asperger's (or even how to spell it as it keeps coming up red underlined).  The condition for sure has not affected your heart because it was sweet of you to help Trench.  God, he needs help, and so many here have done nothing but assail him.   
Title: Re: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: Gator on June 06, 2019, 04:17:12 PM
Trench,

Finally,  after the years of abuse at RWD, you finally have received some advice from Ranetka that could begin to change your life. 

Please, please, please restrain any attempt at being Mr. Man.     Remember what Ranetks wrote, "It is a hobby to meet people, not for hook up. Men who try to pick women up become known and avoided very soon." 

Speak to a women as if she were just another dude.  Eventually an opportunity should emerge for longer conversations.   Until then it is only about dancing.    Have fun.     

 
Title: Re: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: Trenchcoat on June 06, 2019, 04:29:33 PM

I wrote you a really thorough reply unfortunately it got killed :-( so in short



No my parents were both Russian,


Growing was not bad as at school you are surrounded by people who grew up with you and accepting for who you are. Same as uni I had a very small group of friends who I am still in contact with. Trouble began when I entered the work force as you are always on display and don’t understand politics. Immigration until i found out I have Asperger was pure hell. I think Russian culture is more accepting of weird people and just tend to leave them alone. Uk culture puts a lot more emphasis on being friendly and ‘nice’ and basically ostracise ‘weirdos’. Dancing at the time saved my life, literally.

Indeed you are correct Ranetka, English society unfortunately seems to put a lot of emphasis on how 'social' you are - the more you are seen not hanging around with anyone the more 'weird' you are regarded and seen in a poor light. This is usually the case in School, Uni's and many workplaces. You have to be seen with others at lunch, out and about, and on fire alarm  activations, its really ridiculous. If your not there on such occasions chin waging away with a load of classmates/colleagues then you will be ostracised and/or seen as a loner, be talked of in and offish/low way about. Essentially you will be given low status socially as a result.

Sometimes working class areas are not as bad as many people can have problems there and can be more down to earth. Yet they can also be dodgy people living in such areas and the scenery doesn't always look great.

Your idea of dancing is a good one, I will look to follow up on that. I looked into it before but my work hours clashed with stuff going locally. I instead purchased a good Salsa and later Zumba dvd but have as yet not got around to putting much time into either or going to an actual class.

So yes I really needed something on the more social side and dancing may do that and at the same time be useful for the FSU :) It sounds ideal that you can speak as little or as much as you like as I hate trying to find something to say when there is nothing that need be said.

I know the disagreements in politics doesn't make for a good situation. I would look to just turn up only occasionally for short periods of time and preferably at events that are non contentious. That and keep to safe topics that I agree with like the NHS and State Pensions and refuse to be drawn on the rest and sidestep the more contentious stuff.

From what people are putting here on Asperger's I don't feel I have it. It's really just more living in a society that puts such an emphasis on it and is derogatory towards those that aren't, like me.
Title: Re: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: krimster2 on June 06, 2019, 04:44:20 PM
I don't think it's purely a YES/NO Trench, but a matter of degree, I think you are, but to a lesser degree than Asperger's
but like we've been telling you, it's not a reason for you to fail
if others who share this trait can learn to succeed, then so can you
but you have to CHANGE...
Title: Re: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: Gator on June 06, 2019, 04:49:57 PM

Your idea of dancing is a good one, I will look to follow up on that.....So yes I really needed something on the more social side and dancing may do that and at the same time be useful for the FSU :)


Imagine you will eventually forget about FSUW.  It's not normal.  You must somehow be normal. 




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I know the disagreements in politics doesn't make for a good situation. I would look to just turn up only occasionally for short periods of time and preferably at events that are non contentious. That and keep to safe topics that I agree with like the NHS and State Pensions and refuse to be drawn on the rest and sidestep the more contentious stuff.
 

Dreadful and boring.  People in their leisure time don't search Netflix for films about State Pensions.  Whatever you do, don't mention the FSU. 



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From what people are putting here on Asperger's I don't feel I have it. It's really just more living in a society that puts such an emphasis on it and is derogatory towards those that aren't, like me.

You have something.

A short true story.  My Russian stepson is handsome, tall and social.  Yet when he was 15, he confided he was having trouble talking with girls. 

I couldn't believe him.   Surely it is more than his Russian accent.    So I staged something.  We sat down with my younger son and his girlfriend,   and I asked the four of us to pretend for few minutes.  I told him to talk with son's girlfriend as if she were his girlfriend.  Say whatever is on his mind, and let's see where this goes.

Everyone smiled and said, let's play.   My stepson moves next to her, smiles, leans in and starts talking.   Before he completed his first sentence, she turned her head and yelled "Too close."    It wasn't his breath.  He literally moved within a foot of her nose.  He had no sense for respecting personal space.  After that we had to tone down his eagerness. 

He is a joy and a good soul.  At 20, still no serious girlfriend. 
Title: Re: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: Trenchcoat on June 06, 2019, 05:00:00 PM
Trench,

Finally,  after the years of abuse at RWD, you finally have received some advice from Ranetka that could begin to change your life. 

Please, please, please restrain any attempt at being Mr. Man.     Remember what Ranetks wrote, "It is a hobby to meet people, not for hook up. Men who try to pick women up become known and avoided very soon." 

Speak to a women as if she were just another dude.  Eventually an opportunity should emerge for longer conversations.   Until then it is only about dancing.    Have fun.   

Thanks Gator, yeah I know it's not a good idea to turn up there like a dog on heat. I know that some of the women that turn up there can be a bit socially awkward etc and not to expect anything at the Salsa classes in the UK. That's fine for me as my focus is really the FSU, if something happens then fine if not then it's no bother as it's still FSW that interests me the most anyway. To be honest in my twenties and even thirties a lot of the women that go to Salsa  probably wouldn't have interested me, not in the UK at least.

In the UK I used to get the occasional attention from the hotties but being poor socially tended to sink my chances there. At one of the speed dating nights I attended I actually got talking to a Salsa Dancing Instructor before the event. He was a guy and had been teaching it for several years and was in his early to mid thirties. He said t me the reason he was at the speed dating event was that a lot of the women at Salsa Dancing can be a bit too odd to date. He seemed a reasonable enough guy and I don't think he meant all the women or in a real bad way but I guess they were not for him.

I have watched a Salsa dancing class in the UK in the past and I would say both guys & girls can look a bit socially awkward. Some loosen up during it towards the end, others perhaps not as much. One or two seemed to hit it off a bit but in general it was more just about dancing. My guess is that unless a couple really get on a lot may not be all that keen on each other as they find each others social awkwardness unappealing which I can understand. I got the impression the class had not known each other long though. I'm sure as Raneta says if you've known each other a while then yo get to know plenty of people well.
Title: Re: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: krimster2 on June 06, 2019, 05:02:06 PM
"Everyone smiled and said, let's play.   My stepson moves next to her, smiles, leans in and starts talking.   Before he completed his first sentence, she turned her head and yelled "Too close."    It wasn't his breath.  He literally moved within a foot of her nose.  He had no sense for respecting personal space.  After that we had to tone down his eagerness.  "

'gator

this is EXACTLY the kinda thing people "on the spectrum" do
and the solution to this problem, is exactly what you describe...



Title: Re: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: Trenchcoat on June 06, 2019, 05:07:51 PM
I don't think it's purely a YES/NO Trench, but a matter of degree, I think you are, but to a lesser degree than Asperger's
but like we've been telling you, it's not a reason for you to fail
if others who share this trait can learn to succeed, then so can you
but you have to CHANGE...

I think you have it there Krim, I've no other stuff like Bi-polar so it's just aspects of it to a lesser extent than having it I think.
Title: Re: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: GQBlues on June 06, 2019, 05:17:18 PM
Indeed you are correct Ranetka, English society unfortunately seems to put a lot of emphasis on how 'social' you are - the more you are seen not hanging around with anyone the more 'weird' you are regarded and seen in a poor light., dot, dot, dot

I can't relate in any of these psycho-state. It seems a whole lot of you pay so much attention to what you believe society wants you to be. TC, no offense, man...but you get yourself so tied-up in knots. Most surprising to me is you seem to not be able to associate and function unto a society you actually were born and raised in. I am mystified and find that confusing at best.

I can't relate because for me to do so, I always introspectively look into myself and compare it to any given situation I observe. Dude, my old man died when I was 3, mumski left by the time I was about 6-7. Me and sis were fostered by relatives, which for the most part, I had to look after 'us' (sis was a lazy princess). We were dirt poor as kids back then. Years later, got to the US in my early teens, and even then, had to learn how to scratch and claw my way back and re-learn life all over again. I think we were poorer here in the US than my sis and I when we were in back in Manila. Quiapo to be exact. Old man was a Buddhist, he likes giving away whatever few possessions we had in life.

So there I was moving in a new country, a new culture. I didn't speak English, ugly as hell, learning to live amongst my 'family' I didn't grew up with, yadayadayada...LMAO! Many would easily look at me as the prototypical maladjusted outcast and socially inept dude compared to the likes of you: born into your own culture, speaking your own tongue, lived within the comfort of 'home'. You are leaps and bounds waaaay ahead of sorry loser like me when it pertains to social interaction. Heck, even ran away from home at 16 to pick fruits and live on my own.

I cannot for the life of me, under these parallel comparative living conditions, can I understand when I read lives of guys like you that in my mind have no reason whatsoever to be in situations like what I, at times, read here and elsewhere.

I was reading Ranetka's post and actually smiled, especially the part where she realized she is intellectually gifted. While I am not saying I am (intellectually gifted), but Like her, I'm a jack of all trades, but unlike her, a master of none. Even now, or even compared to my wife who is a successful professional (CPA) and a brainiac, I could be on any given situation surrounded by the elite and college graduates doing value engineering, or negotiating a contract against these suited characters armed with their latest and greatest calculators..when numbers start getting crunched, you can hear the buttons click in various corners of the room, but none can pull the numbers ahead of me, or at times even 2-3 calculations ahead of them, simply by *thinking* it. Wifey, as numerically astute as she is, just cannot believe what I do. She just always smiles and shakes her head.

I guess what I'm saying here is, it's difficult for me to relate, again because I look at your personal circumstances and compare it with mine growing up, and frankly, I'm lost and do not understand why you're struggling.

Women - I never paid for sex yet I will stack my numbers against anyone (except maybe Wilt Chamberlain and a couple others). Women were actually the easiest aspect to find for me. Friends, countless, in any settings, peers, etc...My friends laid witness at how I can command a woman I do not know to do some things in minutes. I don't care if she's the hottest gal in the joint, or is she's in a pack. Friends? I sometimes relish going solo and on my own on social settings when I was single. My friends actually just drag me down. When there are times I tell my boys I'm staying in for the night, they stay home, too. If they plan on hanging somewhere to chase women, and if I tell them I was actually going somewhere else - guess where they will be that night?

I am ugly as sin, poorer that a beggar, and short at 5'8". But life is, and always had been, so simple for me, man. Because I chose it to be that way FOR ME.

Deconstruct the mental barrier and rigidity you surrounded your mind with all these years. There are no limits, there are no rules, there is only life. Don't blame, don't search, don't seek reasons, excuse, circumstances or whatever else you believe societal norm boundaries have marked for you or anyone. Too much garbage in your minds.
Title: Re: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: Trenchcoat on June 06, 2019, 05:20:08 PM
"Everyone smiled and said, let's play.   My stepson moves next to her, smiles, leans in and starts talking.   Before he completed his first sentence, she turned her head and yelled "Too close."    It wasn't his breath.  He literally moved within a foot of her nose.  He had no sense for respecting personal space.  After that we had to tone down his eagerness.  "

'gator

this is EXACTLY the kinda thing people "on the spectrum" do
and the solution to this problem, is exactly what you describe...

See I've never had a problem with other people's personal space, stuff like that I have always been aware off. Possibly Gators Russian step so might not necessarily have done that a the time. He might have just been getting a bit too into the role of what he thought goes on, probably by what he had seen on TV or something. I think it's a lot harder for guys in the west to know how to handle the situation these days as the old rules of dating have broken down and guys are now unsure if what to do it what women want so lots of confusion.

That said I myself while I know the basics of manners in certain situations if there is an over the top ideas of etiquette as some people have in the the UK then it's not a scene I like being in at all, some people are just too stuffy. Others I think have an unwritten idea of who fits with the way they behave and will either cut you out or accept you based on how you mesh with them. I'm thinking more of the middle class in the UK here I guess.
Title: Re: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: Trenchcoat on June 06, 2019, 05:29:36 PM
I can't relate in any of these psycho-state. It seems a whole lot of you pay so much attention to what you believe society wants you to be. TC, no offense, man...but you get yourself so tied-up in knots. Most surprising to me is you seem to not be able to associate and function unto a society you actually were born and raised in. I am mystified and find that confusing at best.

I can't relate because for me to do so, I always introspectively look into myself and compare it to any given situation I observe. Dude, my old man died when I was 3, mumski left by the time I was about 6-7. Me and sis were fostered by relatives, which for the most part, I had to look after 'us' (sis was a lazy princess). We were dirt poor as kids back then. Years later, got to the US in my early teens, and even then, had to learn how to scratch and claw my way back and re-learn life all over again. I think we were poorer here in the US than my sis and I when we were in back in Manila. Quiapo to be exact. Old man was a Buddhist, he likes giving away whatever few possessions we had in life.

So there I was moving in a new country, a new culture. I didn't speak English, ugly as hell, learning to live amongst my 'family' I didn't grew up with, yadayadayada...LMAO! Many would easily look at me as the prototypical maladjusted outcast and socially inept dude compared to the likes of you: born into your own culture, speaking your own tongue, lived within the comfort of 'home'. You are leaps and bounds waaaay ahead of sorry loser like me when it pertains to social interaction. Heck, even ran away from home at 16 to pick fruits and live on my own.

I cannot for the life of me, under these parallel comparative living conditions, can I understand when I read lives of guys like you that in my mind have no reason whatsoever to be in situations like what I, at times, read here and elsewhere.

I was reading Ranetka's post and actually smiled, especially the part where she realized she is intellectually gifted. While I am not saying I am (intellectually gifted), but Like her, I'm a jack of all trades, but unlike her, a master of none. Even now, or even compared to my wife who is a successful professional (CPA) and a brainiac, I could be on any given situation surrounded by the elite and college graduates doing value engineering, or negotiating a contract against these suited characters armed with their latest and greatest calculators..when numbers start getting crunched, you can hear the buttons click in various corners of the room, but none can pull the numbers ahead of me, or at times even 2-3 calculations ahead of them, simply by *thinking* it. Wifey, as numerically astute as she is, just cannot believe what I do. She just always smiles and shakes her head.

I guess what I'm saying here is, it's difficult for me to relate, again because I look at your personal circumstances and compare it with mine growing up, and frankly, I'm lost and do not understand why you're struggling.

Women - I never paid for sex yet I will stack my numbers against anyone (except maybe Wilt Chamberlain and a couple others). Women were actually the easiest aspect to find for me. Friends, countless, in any settings, peers, etc...Life is so simple, man.

Deconstruct the mental barrier and rigidity you surrounded your mind with all these years. There are no limits, there are no rules, there is only life. Don't blame, don't search, don't seek reasons, excuse, circumstances or whatever else you believe societal norm boundaries have marked for you or anyone. Too much garbage in your minds.

GQ, some people are just naturally gifted socially from their genes. Has nothing to do with being able to speak the language as a native. Some people instinctively know what to say and when to say it and come over better in a non-verbal way. Possibly in parts of the US I may do better than in the UK. A Raneta had found the UK society has a certain thing about being social in a certain type of way, so it's not just me that is saying it.
Title: Re: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: GQBlues on June 06, 2019, 05:45:01 PM
GQ, some people are just naturally gifted socially from their genes. Has nothing to do with being able to speak the language as a native. Some people instinctively know what to say and when to say it and come over better in a non-verbal way. Possibly in parts of the US I may do better than in the UK. A Raneta had found the UK society has a certain thing about being social in a certain type of way, so it's not just me that is saying it.

TC-

Your Mum's a wonderful woman! She had you, didn't she? She plays no part in where you are today. You are one out of millions, if not billions, who found your way in her womb to be here today.

Celebrate that and quit the blame game. Get out there and grab your share of the world. TC, I lived in Orange Cove, CA when I ran away from home at 15-16. I can honestly say it is more than likely far more desolate compared to where you are today (go ahead, Google-Earth it, lol). No home. Yet I had no problem feeling I more than belong and got much more than my share of whatever it was I deemed important at the time, even with women at my age. Gifted, I am not nor will I ever claim to be. I just 'live'. You should, too.
Title: Re: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: SteveInBoston on June 06, 2019, 06:44:51 PM
A few steps forward...and one step back.  TC, you should try dancing.  Socially, as suggested.
Title: Re: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: pitbull on June 07, 2019, 05:31:29 AM
My 2 cents as I can no longer fight the urge to help :D 


Firstly, doesn’t matter if you can be diagnosed as aspie or not, you have enough autistic traits where social interactions/relationships are concerned. I wouldn’t bother with therapy as you either need to be officially diagnosed or be paying for it and you don’t really have budget for it.


Secondly I have Asperger and done fairly well for myself, I read a lot, watched people interact a lot and basically done a lot of work on myself which improved my life tremendously. (I also have a fairly sociable partner who helps me a lot but that’s not relevant for you).


I would say that politics might not be ideal as by definition there could be disagreements etc and at your way of how you interact with people you will severely p@@@ss people off...


Pick up dancing, anything social, salsa, tango, ceroc, west coast swing etc. Anything that does not require having a set partner.


1. Social dancing has more women than men and therefore men are precious. You could be as awkward as you like they will still be friendly to you.
2. You can spend as much or as little money as you please. Starting from £8 for a weekly class, that will be enough to take you out once a week and create wide social circle.
3.You can talk as much as you please as well. In fact you can say as little as few hellos in the whole evening and still have fantastic time. You do not have to try, women will talk to you, if you feel connection you can talk, if not you don’t really have to and you will not be considered rude.


4. Every single dancing man I know had dates,,,it’s very easy to become friends due to nature of the hobby, it just opens people up very quickly...


5. It’s damn enjoyable, you just need to overcome unevitable shyness at the start but one of your obvious virtues is you are persistent so should be no problems there...


Just give it a try!




In no time you will have a wide social circle and most of them will be women! (As again by nature of the hobby you will know a lot of women as you
‘D be dancing with them...) if you pick up ceroc there is a culture of women asking men to dance and overall friendliness...you literally need to sit on your bum looking clean and they will be asking you to dance...your age will also be a big plus, most people dancing ceroc in the uk are around that age.

Ranetka,

Great advice but not for trench. He will come up with some verbose wacky explanation of why he can’t “get on” with dancing which lacks logic but shows his mental rigidity. Happened with many great suggestions he already received here. Even if he shows up he is obviously so weird up close that he will be left out as a dance partner very soon. He is too far gone unfortunately, not much can be changed at his age. Doesn’t even have money to buy a wife like our other resident aspie or drive to earn even minimum amount needed to bring a foreign spouse.
Title: Re: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: krimster2 on June 07, 2019, 07:05:10 AM
PitBully,
I am curious, how in your twisted view of the world, how me, with my Russian wife, is different from your husband with his Russian wife...
does your husband buy your love?
is this how you see the world because IT IS your world?

I don't think you really know enough about Asperger's to criticize it
I actually do
what Ranetka said is quite correct
"watched people interact a lot and basically done a lot of work on myself which improved my life tremendously"
many Aspies do this and go on to have very successful relationships, I am one of them and my friend Bill Gross is another








Title: Re: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: Gator on June 07, 2019, 07:20:09 AM
Ranetka,

Great advice but not for trench. He will come up with some verbose wacky explanation of why he can’t “get on” with dancing which lacks logic but shows his mental rigidity. Happened with many great suggestions he already received here. Even if he shows up he is obviously so weird up close that he will be left out as a dance partner very soon. He is too far gone unfortunately, not much can be changed at his age. Doesn’t even have money to buy a wife like our other resident aspie or drive to earn even minimum amount needed to bring a foreign spouse.


I see the years have mellowed you, instilling a spirit of encouraging others.     

 
Title: Re: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: pitbull on June 07, 2019, 07:36:41 AM

I see the years have mellowed you, instilling a spirit of encouraging others.

Years should have taught you what a «lost cause» is and how to recognize an obvious case. ;)
Title: Re: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: Maxx2 on June 07, 2019, 08:35:21 AM



Sad that I am the only normal person here.  :cluebat:
Title: Re: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: Gator on June 07, 2019, 08:55:10 AM

Years should have taught you what a «lost cause» is and how to recognize an obvious case. ;)

Obviously not, based on still being married to a RW.   ;D

Good to see you here again.  Hope all is well.  It soon will be time for you to adorn your Bernie for Prez paraphernalia, unless you switch allegiance given the many candidates.   
Title: Re: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: pitbull on June 07, 2019, 10:43:37 AM
Obviously not, based on still being married to a RW.   ;D

Good to see you here again.  Hope all is well.  It soon will be time for you to adorn your Bernie for Prez paraphernalia, unless you switch allegiance given the many candidates.   

All is well thank you Gator. Hope all is well with you and yours!

I think Mayor Pete and Elizabeth Warren are my current favorites :) do you still love Trump?
Title: Re: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: Ranetka on June 07, 2019, 11:00:17 AM
Ranetka,

Great advice but not for trench. He will come up with some verbose wacky explanation of why he can’t “get on” with dancing which lacks logic but shows his mental rigidity. Happened with many great suggestions he already received here. Even if he shows up he is obviously so weird up close that he will be left out as a dance partner very soon. He is too far gone unfortunately, not much can be changed at his age. Doesn’t even have money to buy a wife like our other resident aspie or drive to earn even minimum amount needed to bring a foreign spouse.


Let’s wait and see, it would be a shame if he decided not to try. Having said that, Trenchcoat’s comment that dancing women are too ‘awkward ‘ (presumably too awkward for him?) made me chuckle a bit,
Title: Re: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: GQBlues on June 07, 2019, 11:03:59 AM
Dancing...sure, it can help.

But if TC wants to 'learn' how to expand his social skills, I would suggest engaging in 'team sports'. I don't believe there's no better way to learn how to mesh, strategize, relate common attitudes and thinking, and more especially - develop self esteem and confidence - than engaging/participate in team sports.

That will eventually branch out to acquiring the ability to comfortably engage towards the rest of social awareness, including most notably, in relating to women.
Title: Re: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: Gator on June 07, 2019, 11:28:02 AM
All is well thank you Gator. Hope all is well with you and yours!

I think Mayor Pete and Elizabeth Warren are my current favorites :) do you still love Trump?

I like Mayor Pete even though I can not explain why.  Warren?  No way!   Based on what I know now, Kamala would be my favorite if, God Forbid, Trump decided not to run and Republicans nominated Dick Cheney.  :o

I never loved Trump.  Impossible man to love.   And his demeanor in office is worse than I feared.  Yet, I believe he is addressing everything  that needs to be improved.  Much on his plate, with not that much time left
Title: Re: The Chicken in KYIV
Post by: msmob on June 07, 2019, 01:47:20 PM

But if TC wants to 'learn' how to expand his social skills, I would suggest engaging in 'team sports'.

Bearing in mind a thread elsewhere - you'll be shocked - but I agree with you ;)

Title: Re: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: Jamesukjames on June 09, 2019, 01:29:41 AM
Girls in my office are into some kind of mixed sex frisby sport a cross between frisby and soccer.
Title: Re: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: Trenchcoat on June 11, 2019, 10:47:32 AM
TC-

Your Mum's a wonderful woman! She had you, didn't she? She plays no part in where you are today. You are one out of millions, if not billions, who found your way in her womb to be here today.

Celebrate that and quit the blame game. Get out there and grab your share of the world. TC, I lived in Orange Cove, CA when I ran away from home at 15-16. I can honestly say it is more than likely far more desolate compared to where you are today (go ahead, Google-Earth it, lol). No home. Yet I had no problem feeling I more than belong and got much more than my share of whatever it was I deemed important at the time, even with women at my age. Gifted, I am not nor will I ever claim to be. I just 'live'. You should, too.

It's not a blame game, its just the truth of the situation. Genes exist and what we are passed on determines a lot of our strenths and weaknesses. With social skills someone with a good gene in it can walk into a room and within moments be the talk of the party with making little effort, just being how they are. On looks a guy can be an 8-10 film star looks or similar/near enough and get an easy time in life getting the women as Davo showed us in his video. I'm not saying its an excuse not to try or succeed along the way but some people stand way more chances than others. Some just get lucky.

I'm guessing at some point you got at least reasonably wealthy in the US. The US seems to allow more opportunity for that, in the UK its very difficult indeed to get wealthy, mostly if it happens odds are its more by luck than anything else, either that or down right shady but I wouldn't do that its just not me. 
Title: Re: The Chicken in KYIV
Post by: msmob on June 11, 2019, 11:02:56 AM
Morere Trench 'excuses'

It's not a blame game, its just the truth of the situation. Genes exist and what we are passed on determines a lot of our strenths and weaknesses. With social skills someone with a good gene in it can walk into a room and within moments be the talk of the party with making little effort, just being how they are. On looks a guy can be an 8-10 film star looks or similar/near enough and get an easy time in life getting the women as Davo showed us in his video. I'm not saying its an excuse not to try or succeed along the way but some people stand way more chances than others. Some just get lucky.

I'm guessing at some point you got at least reasonably wealthy in the US. The US seems to allow more opportunity for that, in the UK its very difficult indeed to get wealthy, mostly if it happens odds are its more by luck than anything else, either that or down right shady but I wouldn't do that its just not me.

Bollox, period ..

If you don't get off your arse - you are unlikely to BE 'lucky'..

You have confirmed your choice to be lazy and to draw a salary

Title: Re: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: GQBlues on June 11, 2019, 04:17:46 PM
It's not a blame game, its just the truth of the situation. Genes exist and what we are passed on determines a lot of our strenths and weaknesses. With social skills someone with a good gene in it can walk into a room and within moments be the talk of the party with making little effort, just being how they are. On looks a guy can be an 8-10 film star looks or similar/near enough and get an easy time in life getting the women as Davo showed us in his video. I'm not saying its an excuse not to try or succeed along the way but some people stand way more chances than others. Some just get lucky.

I'm guessing at some point you got at least reasonably wealthy in the US. The US seems to allow more opportunity for that, in the UK its very difficult indeed to get wealthy, mostly if it happens odds are its more by luck than anything else, either that or down right shady but I wouldn't do that its just not me.

TC-

1. I do not agree with your 'genes' theory. Not for you, me or anyone...
2. 'Wealth' is both 'subjective' and 'relative'. Don't get caught up in that.

You need to rid your mind of a lot of basura that is becoming more of an obstacle to you. The 'more' you know, the less you understand.

I do not subscribe to your notion that you don't have the 'charisma' to command a given room or venue. I mean, look at this site. The reality is, you are single-handedly keeping this forum afloat. More than half the traffic generated here is because of you, about you, or subjects you raised for discussion.

So there, you actually have the *gift* but was too cluttered  in your mind to actually recognize it.

You're in your 40s, man. Make it happen. You don't want to be in your 50s and still be home alone. Get yourself a nice British cutie..Forget the FSU.
Title: Re: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: Trenchcoat on June 11, 2019, 06:46:38 PM
TC-

1. I do not agree with your 'genes' theory. Not for you, me or anyone...
2. 'Wealth' is both 'subjective' and 'relative'. Don't get caught up in that.

You need to rid your mind of a lot of basura that is becoming more of an obstacle to you. The 'more' you know, the less you understand.

I do not subscribe to your notion that you don't have the 'charisma' to command a given room or venue. I mean, look at this site. The reality is, you are single-handedly keeping this forum afloat. More than half the traffic generated here is because of you, about you, or subjects you raised for discussion.

So there, you actually have the *gift* but was too cluttered  in your mind to actually recognize it.

You're in your 40s, man. Make it happen. You don't want to be in your 50s and still be home alone. Get yourself a nice British cutie..Forget the FSU.

If it was going to happen for me with a British girl that would have happened years ago. To be in my forties and had nothing substantial from British girls on that front is a joke. There are a couple of times I could have 'settled' for less but it never really grabbed me going for a girl I didn't think the world off. I'm an everyday looking guy, I'm not fat, short, balding, greying, ginger, etc and yet UK girls who seem to often dislike to loathe guys who fall into those categories aren't exactly beating a path to my door. I've done four speed dating events in the UK yet none of those single girls went for me nor apparently most of the other male attendees despite apparently being single.

I can see why you say UK girls as they are close at hand, but it's just too hard a market for me to crack. I fear your prediction of still single into my fifties and thereafter, should I last, may be correct. I need to get over to the FSU for an extended period. I could do that next year. I would really like to do that this year but circumstances suggest it's not likely. So I'm back to the short travel trips to meet the odd woman and of course the odds aren't great with that.
Title: Re: The Chicken in KYIV
Post by: Trenchcoat on June 11, 2019, 07:51:02 PM
Morere Trench 'excuses'

Bollox, period ..

If you don't get off your arse - you are unlikely to BE 'lucky'..

You have confirmed your choice to be lazy and to draw a salary

Usually Mobe, money for a business has to come from  somewhere and that involves bringing in a salary to fund that business. Some  businesses have got of the ground with very little. Truth is though most require funding and usually significant amounts of it before you even get to see any return. Many businesses fail because they were underfunded at start or run into cashflow problems, lack of profitability and a wealth of other reasons.

In the UK it's usual to find whatever you get into there is a load of competition whether it's studies or a business. There are so many people in the UK compacted into a small island you can't move for finding someone sniffing up your bum. If someone saw you are being successful in something then many an unimaginative individual will copy and start up in competition to yourself. In many lines of work the extent of competition makes making a venture worthwhile a self defeating task. That is before you get to the gov wishing to tax the pants off you all the way.

Even according to you Mobe, you only got onto a decent thing later on in life. People can spend their lives going from one business venture to the next without breaking through to even a decent income never mind the big time.
Title: Re: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: msmob on June 11, 2019, 10:05:17 PM
If it was going to happen for me with a British girl that would have happened years ago. To be in my forties and had nothing substantial from British girls on that front is a joke. There are a couple of times I could have 'settled' for less but it never really grabbed me going for a girl I didn't think the world off. I'm an everyday looking guy, I'm not fat, short, balding, greying, ginger, etc and yet UK girls who seem to often dislike to loathe guys who fall into those categories aren't exactly beating a path to my door. I've done four speed dating events in the UK yet none of those single girls went for me nor apparently most of the other male attendees despite apparently being single.

I can see why you say UK girls as they are close at hand, but it's just too hard a market for me to crack. I fear your prediction of still single into my fifties and thereafter, should I last, may be correct. I need to get over to the FSU for an extended period. I could do that next year. I would really like to do that this year but circumstances suggest it's not likely. So I'm back to the short travel trips to meet the odd woman and of course the odds aren't great with that.

Trench,

Once again - you are making 'excuses'

Guys that can pull - pull anywhere ..


It's NOT the British lasses ... it's YOU that's the problem.. 

There is NO way you can bring a lass here as you need to demonstrate you've been earning the minimum - for a year .. What would you tell any lass - why you'll stalling to make the grade  ? 



 
Title: Re: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: Trenchcoat on June 12, 2019, 12:25:13 AM
Trench,

Once again - you are making 'excuses'

Guys that can pull - pull anywhere ..


It's NOT the British lasses ... it's YOU that's the problem.. 

There is NO way you can bring a lass here as you need to demonstrate you've been earning the minimum - for a year .. What would you tell any lass - why you'll stalling to make the grade  ? 



 

It's only six months I have to prove that I'm bringing in the minimum income. I can easily increase my hours till then. Before then there would be getting married and for that getting to know each other better, etc which all takes time, quite easily longer than six months.
Title: Re: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: lyndontom on June 12, 2019, 06:55:38 AM
It's only six months I have to prove that I'm bringing in the minimum income. I can easily increase my hours till then. Before then there would be getting married and for that getting to know each other better, etc which all takes time, quite easily longer than six months.


Irrespective of whether or not you regard yourself as someone who could be an entrepreneur, you have said time and time again that you have no intention to increase your current working hours and therefore income; that's either complacency or laziness and it is YOUR choice not to do so.


The excuses about English women are just that, as I've said all along. I am short, bald, a little overweight; our success or failure is what we make of it. At least you seem to be (somewhat) acknowledging in your last post that you cannot pull a British woman, and NOT that you wouldn't choose to be with one.


I have sensed a little more vulnerability and honesty in your recent posts. You get a bashing here, from myself included. But, the less excuses you make and the more receptive you are to constructive criticism - without generalising or preaching that you know better - then you might really start to see some real progress.
Title: Re: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: Faux Pas on June 12, 2019, 07:28:30 AM
If it was going to happen for me with a British girl that would have happened years ago. To be in my forties and had nothing substantial from British girls on that front is a joke. There are a couple of times I could have 'settled' for less but it never really grabbed me going for a girl I didn't think the world off. I'm an everyday looking guy, I'm not fat, short, balding, greying, ginger, etc and yet UK girls who seem to often dislike to loathe guys who fall into those categories aren't exactly beating a path to my door. I've done four speed dating events in the UK yet none of those single girls went for me nor apparently most of the other male attendees despite apparently being single.

I can see why you say UK girls as they are close at hand, but it's just too hard a market for me to crack. I fear your prediction of still single into my fifties and thereafter, should I last, may be correct. I need to get over to the FSU for an extended period. I could do that next year. I would really like to do that this year but circumstances suggest it's not likely. So I'm back to the short travel trips to meet the odd woman and of course the odds aren't great with that.

Dude you just paint yourself in failure, you bathe and bask in 24/7, don't you? Let me guess, you've been pining for a super hottie all your life and always come up empty? As a result you're left with your empty fantasies. I get it, the heart wants what the heart wants. The only problem with is you haven't got the gonads to reach out and grab it. None of the speed dating ladies went for you? Do you go for them? Did you find one and pursue her?Or two or three? Get off the bench and get your ass in the game friend. Your love life and your success in business will ALWAYS elude you until you get over this fear of rejection and/or failure. Do wtf it takes to accomplish your goals. I have to agree with moobs on this one. You are your own worse enemy. It's not the women British or FSU, it's not "the man" keeping you down. No sir, it's you
Title: Re: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: Trenchcoat on June 12, 2019, 12:10:50 PM
Dude you just paint yourself in failure, you bathe and bask in 24/7, don't you? Let me guess, you've been pining for a super hottie all your life and always come up empty? As a result you're left with your empty fantasies. I get it, the heart wants what the heart wants. The only problem with is you haven't got the gonads to reach out and grab it. None of the speed dating ladies went for you? Do you go for them? Did you find one and pursue her?Or two or three? Get off the bench and get your ass in the game friend. Your love life and your success in business will ALWAYS elude you until you get over this fear of rejection and/or failure. Do wtf it takes to accomplish your goals. I have to agree with moobs on this one. You are your own worse enemy. It's not the women British or FSU, it's not "the man" keeping you down. No sir, it's you

You're probably right Faux Pas, I probably need to push the boat way out more. In truth I guess speed dating is not so much as following the process as set up but pursuing a lady after in the bar if there is one you like, not in an unwanted way though of course as like you ellude to otherwise who knows how strongly a guy feels for the women they put down for. I did indeed tick many women on each of the four occasions I went - following the process, but that is all. Women of course tend not to have to make the effort guys do and that's a pain but I guess its the territory I am in nonetheless. I still think its too tough a market in the UK for many reasons as gone into before and my chances are far better in the FSU with the right girl. I'll just see what if anything I can do on it all.
Title: Re: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: GQBlues on June 12, 2019, 12:41:07 PM
If it was going to happen for me with a British girl that would have happened years ago. To be in my forties and had nothing substantial from British girls on that front is a joke. There are a couple of times I could have 'settled' for less but it never really grabbed me going for a girl I didn't think the world off. I'm an everyday looking guy, I'm not fat, short, balding, greying, ginger, etc and yet UK girls who seem to often dislike to loathe guys who fall into those categories aren't exactly beating a path to my door.....

Brother I won't bat you down with that statement, but dude, you do need a little more grease to get your social wheels in motion.

One of my posse in the past was Brooklyn-born/raised who moved to LA. He's your prototypical second-coming of Adonis. Only guy we know whose opening killer line of 'Hey' melt most women he meets. Next to my bruh, we're like inanimate objects. Insignificant rocks in his royal presence. Where I relied in my improvisional moves, he needs only to wake up in the morning.

But, here's his reality. There were numerous times that convinced us that, with all his good looks, the dude had a relative bad taste in women, man. One day he'd be with lady Barbie we'd all be drooling over, the next time we see him he'd have someone in his arms that you sort of feel apologetic about. Go figure, right?

I asked him one day what's up with that and was really looking for him to 'fess up cause we were just curious, you know. True story. This is what he told me.

"Truth is, I get rejected more times than you guys think I do. Maybe even more so than any of you. Like any hot 'chic' we see  (bird - UK slang), there's always that immediate preconceived idea what I am (they are) supposed to be about. *Just because*. Each of those rejection, believe it or not, sinks my confidence down a notch or two. Enough of it, I become Keanu Reeves i.e. a bumbling idiot!.

So I added, and to his confirmation: "Word. So you open yourself up to what's available to fire your confidence level back up. Ride the positive aspect instead of dwelling upon the negative perception. Nature will eventually take care of itself. Make sense now"

TC, like most things in life, man. You crawl before you walk, walk before you run. You have this backwards. You won't find yourself by looking for it in a woman/mate. Go through this through yourself first.

Relax, start humbly. Make small steps. Chat anyone, anywhere. Don't put pressure in yourself and unblock your mind. Trust me. Nature will take its course and one day you'll surprise even yourself.

jb gave me the very best advice before during my journey. He told me to forget FSU and tear my ticket up. He said the MOB wasn't meant for 'guys like me'.

With you, I will say this - If you find comfort going to FSU, do that. Just don't do it looking for a relationship or marriage. Go and simply immerse yourself with 'just' being with female company/ies. Get that comfort in you so when you get back home, your perception of ease being with a woman will become a bit more and more natural for you. Then you can stay home, meet a nice, cute woman from your society, and maybe even marry one.

Stay away from the lure of the MOB (FSU). The odds are more heavily stacked against the men. Look around even on this very board. Sadly, the percentage population of 'repeat offenders' prevail these days. Do you really wanna be in your 50s or even 60s repeating this silly process all over again? That's a pretty sad state of affairs, IMHO.

At this point, I shall simply resign and just leave this up to you.
Title: Re: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: Faux Pas on June 12, 2019, 01:06:51 PM
You're probably right Faux Pas, I probably need to push the boat way out more. In truth I guess speed dating is not so much as following the process as set up but pursuing a lady after in the bar if there is one you like, not in an unwanted way though of course as like you ellude to otherwise who knows how strongly a guy feels for the women they put down for. I did indeed tick many women on each of the four occasions I went - following the process, but that is all. Women of course tend not to have to make the effort guys do and that's a pain but I guess its the territory I am in nonetheless. I still think its too tough a market in the UK for many reasons as gone into before and my chances are far better in the FSU with the right girl. I'll just see what if anything I can do on it all.

You need to put yourself in play. Women are women everywhere and everywhere, there are women. It's not about having dashing good looks or a measurable degree of wealth. If that were the case I'd have spent my life being as lonely as you. I started out with nothing and still have most of it left. Get over your fright. Every woman you encounter anywhere, take an interest to know them, smile and chat it up a bit. If you're not interested in them as relationship material, make a friend. If your not interested at all, fake it and act like you are. Sitting on a park bench in Kyiv and hoping to be picked by by some passing hottie isn't going to work for you. I suspect you do that at home to? They have to know you're interested in them and not in some creepy, stalking kind of way. When you see a woman who's looks interesting you go up and talk to her. Don't worry with trying to be slick or a silver tongued. Be genuine and take an interest in her and the situation you find yourself in with her. Quit looking for a wife or a girlfriend. When you engage with conversation and interest you put yourself at the starting line of developing friendships, possibly a relationship and who knows. Until you accept that one invariable factoid nothing is going to happen for you.
Title: Re: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: krimster2 on June 12, 2019, 01:17:59 PM
there were several times in my life Trench, where I took stock of my location
and decided correctly that the grass was greener someplace else...
if you live in the east midlands you live in the worst spot in the UK for meetin wimmin...

change where you live
something tells me you live in the place you grew up
this is a big mistake

Title: Re: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: Faux Pas on June 12, 2019, 01:21:44 PM

But, here's his reality. There were numerous times that convinced us that, with all his good looks, the dude had a relative bad taste in women, man. One day he'd be with lady Barbie we'd all be drooling over, the next time we see him he'd have someone in his arms that you sort of feel apologetic about. Go figure, right?


I had a close friend who, when we were younger didn't do the charm, witty or romancing route. In a bar, every woman he'd go up to the first words out of is mouth was "Do you wanna f*ck?". His rationale was 1 out of 10 the answer was yes. Sure he got slapped 9 times but he saved a lot of money on drinks
Title: Re: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: krimster2 on June 12, 2019, 01:28:40 PM
true story...

I know two guys who did this!!!

one was in Nevada City California, a guy nicknamed "flat-nosed" Bob
who would boldly walk up to any woman, and something more or less to that effect
but usually a bit more graphically

heard he was killed by some girl's boy friend don't know if that's true

in Sevastopol, I watched this guy, and I am not exaggerating...
he was a homeless, and extremely UGLY middle-aged midget
stand in the middle of the market and harass EVERY woman who walked by
I sat down on the bench to watch the spectacle, because I'm thinking he's gonna get his ass kicked at any moment
and watching a midget get his ass kicked by a woman, would be FUNNY!!
so I sat on a bench and observed....
5 minutes later, very elegant 40 yr old blond stops, listens to him for a moment, then they turn and walk away together!!!!
I almost fell off the bench

in the summer in Krim
I'd see 3 or 4 naked women at the beach every day
the girls in the village where I had my dacha
would come over and skinny dip in my swimming pool all the time
that's all normal there
so don't freak out, if you see a little open camel toe in Crimea, cuz in the summer I'd see it ALL the time...


little kids, boys and girls up until age 10 or so are allowed to run naked on the beach in Krim
I put my daughters in one piece swim suits
but first time they're out on the beach, they quickly spot naked boys their own age
with their little pee-pees bouncing up and down as they frolic
I still remember how enthusiastically my daughters greeted these boys!!!
MALCHIKY!!!!! ee deesoda!!!!

I guess haters are gonna hate
but my daughters ended up liking Crimea
every bit as much as I did...






Title: Re: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: GQBlues on June 12, 2019, 02:17:39 PM
I had a close friend who, when we were younger didn't do the charm, witty or romancing route. In a bar, every woman he'd go up to the first words out of is mouth was "Do you wanna f*ck?". His rationale was 1 out of 10 the answer was yes. Sure he got slapped 9 times but he saved a lot of money on drinks


LMAO! Mr. B. Ayegee Ballsy, eh?


Frankly, I have a hard time believing what trenchcoat says about British birds, man. Back in the days, there will always be a slew of BBCs (British Babes Calling) in LA. Kate Beckinsale-types, man oh man, I was once resigned believing I'd be married to one someday. Huge crush on Kate! (met her at Staples Center).
Title: Re: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: msmob on June 13, 2019, 02:25:18 AM
Hi Krimster!

Trench has told us he lived in Kent and his family moved..

He is in the south, rather than SE England, now.

He needs to get a job ...working in the day time interacting with people
Title: Re: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: Faux Pas on June 13, 2019, 06:57:46 AM

LMAO! Mr. B. Ayegee Ballsy, eh?


Frankly, I have a hard time believing what trenchcoat says about British birds, man. Back in the days, there will always be a slew of BBCs (British Babes Calling) in LA. Kate Beckinsale-types, man oh man, I was once resigned believing I'd be married to one someday. Huge crush on Kate! (met her at Staples Center).

Yeah I can't buy into that either. They are there as they are in most industrialized nations. I was in England 5 years ago and the place was crawling with them. Now if he'd said he was looking to upgrade from what he's found available to him, that's a little more believable. Nothing the guy says indicates he's actually trying. Rather being a wall flower in hopes that he get's picked LOL. I don't know about you but, I've never found that to be productive.

Title: Re: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: krimster2 on June 13, 2019, 09:18:16 AM
some areas in the UK are worse than others, just like the USA (San Francisco Bay Area is worst, NYC the best)
and if he lives in a small town, then face it, he has limited choices and a lot of competition...
I would have moved long ago if I were Trench...
London Town

actions speak louder than words
Title: Re: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: Trenchcoat on June 13, 2019, 10:52:20 AM
Hi Krimster!

Trench has told us he lived in Kent and his family moved..

He is in the south, rather than SE England, now.

He needs to get a job ...working in the day time interacting with people

Near enough, nearer than Krimster, lol.

I've never lived in the Midlands, the North, Scotland or Ireland. Like Mobe says I was born in Maidstone, I then moved when I was young (5yr old ish) to the Bournemouth area of the UK, a nice area but the girls are as cold as ice mostly, some nice ones but they are heavily competed for. Any pretty girl around here especially those with a nice personality have many, many options, moreso the younger generation. Those girls of the younger generation that not not make themselves obese have many options. Obesity wasn't much of thing in girls in the generation I grew up in, you would have the class/year 'fat girl' and that was that. Once I moved from middle school to secondary (upper) schools you maybe had three of four 'fatty' girls in the year and they placed themselves at the bottom of the pecking order for any interest in guys. If they were bad enough guys wouldn't even see them as of any interest and class them as guys subconsiously at least. Compared to the fat girls of my era the fat girls you get these days at school seem to be even fatter and way more numerous. Guys these days have an even worse pool of women to chose from then back in my day.

Anyway, I digress, so yes more recently I have moved to South Wales, near Cardiff, that is where I own my home, around Bournemouth is where my parental home is. So I am converting the terence house I bought from a one bed into a 3 bed, one room will be studio flat like. Two of those rooms I can rent out for income and free me up a lot more. Once done further investment opportunities may become possible for more income. I t all takes time and longer than I had hoped for but it looks like I should get it completely finished by next year. The women in Wales I am unsure about since I spend most of my time when there on converting the house. Possibly they may be a bit easier going but of course the prettier they are I get the idea that its likely much the same story of them playing around with the options available to them.

In general I think there is still more go in finding a girl in the right area of the FSU than UK women in general. 
Title: Re: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: msmob on June 13, 2019, 11:02:42 AM
Trench...

Again, lots of words  and excuses.......and BS (

Title: Re: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: krimster2 on June 13, 2019, 11:11:54 AM
I know that area, VERY beautiful, nice long drives...
but it's rural, not really the best place a'tall for finding wimmin IMHO
Abbergivinny (sp?)

no, this is a GREAT area to live in if you have a family, but a terrible area if you're a single guy
Trench, this has some bearing, your location, it's bad....
but I can see why you don't want to just hit the reset button and start over

I did!! several times, I realized that in order to pursue happiness
I would have to pursue it in a more favorable location
but I can see why for many reasons, it'd be difficult for you to move
but IMHO it's what you should do

rent out your house
go find a job and place to live in London
then sell it and buy something in Londinium
watch out for the Gauls, sneaky bastards

 
Title: Re: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: Grumpy on June 13, 2019, 11:58:24 AM
Any pretty girl around here especially those with a nice personality have many, many options, moreso the younger generation. Those girls of the younger generation that not not make themselves obese have many options.

You are one of those options.  He who tries hardest, wins.   ;D
Title: Re: The Chicken in KYIV
Post by: msmob on June 13, 2019, 12:39:56 PM
I know that area, VERY beautiful, nice long drives...
but it's rural, not really the best place a'tall for finding wimmin IMHO
Abbergivinny (sp?)

no, this is a GREAT area to live in if you have a family, but a terrible area if you're a single guy
Trench, this has some bearing, your location, it's bad....
but I can see why you don't want to just hit the reset button and start over

I did!! several times, I realized that in order to pursue happiness
I would have to pursue it in a more favorable location
but I can see why for many reasons, it'd be difficult for you to move
but IMHO it's what you should do

rent out your house
go find a job and place to live in London
then sell it and buy something in Londinium
watch out for the Gauls, sneaky bastards

Abergavenny
http://www.visitabergavenny.co.uk/ (http://www.visitabergavenny.co.uk/)

Renting out a house in most of Wales will not cover a studio / room in London
Title: Re: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: Trenchcoat on June 13, 2019, 07:00:05 PM
Any pretty girl around here especially those with a nice personality have many, many options, moreso the younger generation. Those girls of the younger generation that not not make themselves obese have many options.

You are one of those options.  He who tries hardest, wins.   ;D

He who dares wins, Grumpy, he who dares ;D
Title: Re: The Chicken in KYIV
Post by: Trenchcoat on June 13, 2019, 07:06:36 PM
Abergavenny
http://www.visitabergavenny.co.uk/ (http://www.visitabergavenny.co.uk/)

Renting out a house in most of Wales will not cover a studio / room in London

Indeed if my house was located about 100 miles to the east I could get silly money for it or perhaps buy a piddly studio flat on lease in an undesirable part of London outer suburbs. Not surprised the property market is faltering there, been overpriced for a long time for very poor value for money.
Title: Re: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: Trenchcoat on June 13, 2019, 07:38:13 PM
Well a prospect has raised itself. I've been perusing fdate and have come across a girl who lives in an industrial sh*thole town near an industrial sh*thole provincial city in Ukraine. She is around 30 and a good 7 on looks I would say probably a bit shy of the 8-10 model range, no kids, quite slim, etc. So all good fundamentals :)

Now here comes the interesting part, she is one of these girls who wants the guy to visit her. To my mind that bodes well as few men are likely to make the journey to obscure sh*thole town that is a journey. It also means said guy would be fulfilling the FSU Dating tenant of going to the girl's home city/town where she lives.

I've not contacted her yet but am pretty certain I will do, she looks the type that might go with me and hits a few off my criteria already. To me her profile write up, number & type of pics etc all say she is legit and straight up. I would of course Skype first but if all was good with that ten I would go. Now knowing that it can all fall flat on the chemistry front the question would be whether to go for a weekend or for a whole week. The whole week gives me more time to call up other girls if it all goes south. For sure I could message some beforehand but two full days won't give much time. Worth saying at this point that this girl looks like she would be the type to expect a VO just to her and being upfront with already other girls lined up in a schedule are unlikely to go down well. So it would probably be a case of fall back plan to bring up other girls after if it went south. Thoughts on this?
Title: Re: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: SteveInBoston on June 13, 2019, 08:16:50 PM
 :wallbash:
Title: Re: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: krimster2 on June 13, 2019, 08:47:20 PM
all sounds good...

you would be surprised what happens to a Ukrainian woman who you think is maybe a 7...
if she puts on nice clothes and makeup and does her hair, then she's a solid 8+

there are SOME girls who you'd give a low number based on the facial details
but when clothes are removed, have an AMAZING body, just 100% perfect in EVERY detail!!!!
but juxtaposed against a very plain face
and you just stand there with your jaw hanging open
cuz you didn't expect it
this makes her even more erotic IMHO...
especially, the unexpected part
the "sur-preeze"


Title: Re: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: JayH on June 14, 2019, 02:14:40 AM
I got one for ya TC---  sell everything you have and throw the money into  Krimsters  Bitcoin "investment"

That way you can move to Moscow with Krimster and will be rich enough to be able to get into Krimsters daughters pants !

There ya go-- 2 problems "fixed"  !!   :popcorn:
Title: Re: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: John Gaunt on June 14, 2019, 03:11:48 AM
Off to a flying start with your description of the s***hole town near a s***hole  provincial city.
Yes, it’s going to go swimmingly.

What a plonker of the first order you are.
I don’t wish you well Trench, quite the opposite. You don’t deserve it. In fact you deserve to get fleeced, milked dry and dumped like a wet dishrag.
Title: Re: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: Faux Pas on June 14, 2019, 09:25:58 AM
Well a prospect has raised itself. I've been perusing fdate and have come across a girl who lives in an industrial sh*thole town near an industrial sh*thole provincial city in Ukraine. She is around 30 and a good 7 on looks I would say probably a bit shy of the 8-10 model range, no kids, quite slim, etc. So all good fundamentals :)

Now here comes the interesting part, she is one of these girls who wants the guy to visit her. To my mind that bodes well as few men are likely to make the journey to obscure sh*thole town that is a journey. It also means said guy would be fulfilling the FSU Dating tenant of going to the girl's home city/town where she lives.

I've not contacted her yet but am pretty certain I will do, she looks the type that might go with me and hits a few off my criteria already. To me her profile write up, number & type of pics etc all say she is legit and straight up. I would of course Skype first but if all was good with that ten I would go. Now knowing that it can all fall flat on the chemistry front the question would be whether to go for a weekend or for a whole week. The whole week gives me more time to call up other girls if it all goes south. For sure I could message some beforehand but two full days won't give much time. Worth saying at this point that this girl looks like she would be the type to expect a VO just to her and being upfront with already other girls lined up in a schedule are unlikely to go down well. So it would probably be a case of fall back plan to bring up other girls after if it went south. Thoughts on this?

You've stated numerous times that at home you re not willing to settle for less, why would you settle for a mere 7 in Ukraine? Why would you even waste your time on a 7 anywhere?
Title: Re: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: ML on June 14, 2019, 10:02:55 AM
You've stated numerous times that at home you re not willing to settle for less, why would you settle for a mere 7 in Ukraine? Why would you even waste your time on a 7 anywhere?

Always a question of would she be a 7 in another guy's eyes, and is she 7 in face or in body, or both.

But, let's assume for now that 95% of we guys here would agree she is a 7 in face and body.

One advantage if you bring such a gal to the west, she would only turn a few heads and more importantly she would not be hit on constantly by guys as would a 9 or 10.

Sure we can all say that if the gal loves you, she will not be tempted by the continual attention from other guys . . . but I think that is too much to ask of any gal or expect from her . . . especially if the guy is a 6 and she is a 9 and is being hit on by well to do guys who are 8+.

I am more a body man than a face man; so I will always take a 7 face if accompanied by a 8+ body.
Title: Re: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: GQBlues on June 14, 2019, 10:30:03 AM
Always a question of would she be a 7 in another guy's eyes, and is she 7 in face or in body, or both.

But, let's assume for now that 95% of we guys here would agree she is a 7 in face and body.

One advantage if you bring such a gal to the west, she would only turn a few heads and more importantly she would not be hit on constantly by guys as would a 9 or 10.

Sure we can all say that if the gal loves you, she will not be tempted by the continual attention from other guys . . . but I think that is too much to ask of any gal or expect from her . . . especially if the guy is a 6 and she is a 9 and is being hit on by well to do guys who are 8+.

I am more a body man than a face man; so I will always take a 7 face if accompanied by a 8+ body.

...and therein lies the unwritten rule.

Guys like TC, even the ones who aren't lacking as much on social skills - yet still pales in competitive comparison with local dudes; they bring their inamorata home thinking that the attention they got showered with while she was still in the FSU will equate to the same at his home country, are in for a rude awakening.

TC will undoubtedly invest time and money believing this route is his easy way out. I hope he'd develop a better 'game' if he ever succeeds bringing a gal home...

...then again...maybe a short, borrowed time with a warm body is all he's bargaining for.
Title: Re: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: krimster2 on June 14, 2019, 10:34:14 AM
"That way you can move to Moscow with Krimster and will be rich enough to be able to get into Krimsters daughters pants ! "

now JayJay...
I figure that if your imagination wanders "a bit" and you like to create little dramatic sexual scenarios
then you won't mind
if I do as well, right?

how about this one...
guy marries a psychiatrist, but can't perform sexually with her
so she divorces him

oh, you've already heard that one before....
is that why you're not laughing...

Title: Re: The Chicken in Kiev
Post by: ML on June 14, 2019, 11:57:36 AM
guy marries a psychiatrist, but can't perform sexually with her
so she divorces him . . . oh, you've already heard that one before....
is that why you're not laughing...

I didn't understand this joke; but in googling I came across the below very interesting article.

http://psychcentral.com/blog/a-therapist-reveals-the-surprising-truth-about-older-men-marring-younger-women/

Synopsis: Both the guy and the gal often have the best of intentions and actions. 
i.e. She is not a gold digger and he is not after just eye candy.
But problems often develop, just the same.