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Title: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on January 18, 2020, 03:33:38 AM



Still the process of starting a Mexican restaurant business in the Republic of Georgia.
Here is some of the costs and rules of doing so.


Government Regulations and Business License:
Bring the rental documents of a business rental to the government center. Then give them a email address where they can contact me. There are two fees to be paid. One for 20 GEL ($6.92). The other 55 GEL ($18.64) and I will get a business license in 4 days. Pay 200 GEL ($67.79) and will get same day service. I will become a  "entrepreneur individual" as they call it. I was told that the tax rate is one percent on all cash flow up to 100,000 GEL ($33,898). If we succeed that I will have to become a LLC and face higher taxes. My next step is to pay a visit to the Revenue Department and get the low down from them. They have a process set up online through a bank to pay them.   


Labor Costs:
The average wage for a food preparer (cook) is 450 GEL a month ($150.00). Yes, a month. I pay Ilona the woman who works for me as a scout, interpreter and helper 1,260 GEL ($427.11) a month. This enough for her to support herself and her two children. I also get her gym membership (80 GEL $27.11) at my gym. She is rather happy about that. She makes sure I get to the gym 3 days a week. So Ilona is rather motivated to make this work. No, we are not involved and never will be. The 40 year, 5 month and 4 day age difference prevents that. 


Rent, the real cost:
The number one expense to be dealt with is rent. More businesses go out of business because of rent.  Tourist season when the streets are packed with tourists starts May 1st.  After August 31st the streets really empty out of tourists. September and October is still pretty good though.


Food Service delivery:
About check that out. The customer pays 2 GEL ($0.67) to one of three delivery services to have his food delivered by scooter. Glovo, Menu.ge and Wolt.


Below is what I can get for $500 a month in rent. It is in the city center the upscale place in Batumi


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Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on January 18, 2020, 03:56:52 AM



I also am dealing with this much money to get this place going:


$1,297.50 (3,828 GEL)in Social Security
 $6000.00 in savings for set up costs. I do however got much of the items already but not the big stuff like refrigerators, stoves and furniture. These we will get used.


With rent and labor costs I am on the edge monthly income wise. The rent $500 a month is for a year. The business does not need to make much money to stay in the black. 


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I got a dandy food processor that makes preparation of the doe for the tortillas really easy. We have perfected our salsa. I seem to remembered GQ saying how important that is.


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Also the tortillas come out well especially after getting our tortilla press. Ilona's children love them! They ask for them by name as they have been taught the word "tortilla." We make them out of quality butter instead of lard.


We make good Mexican browned rice, Mexican potatoes (potato wedges with skin on) and Mexican beans. I got a kilo of cumin seeds, a kilo of Mexican oregano and a kilo of dried Chipotle jalapenos. We make an adobo sauce to marinate the meats and the beans. I've found the Mexican oregano really gives the salsa a real good taste.


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Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on January 18, 2020, 04:07:35 AM
Almost every restaurant here serves Mexican potatoes. I have even seen Mexican hot dogs. It is a hot dog wrapped in Lasha. Lasha is the flour wrap that shaurmas are made of. Sharma shops everywhere. They really have no Mexican food here. There is a large restaurant on the way out of town called the 'Old West'. It is decorated in a Western theme with wagon wheels and large cactus out front. But they have not much in a way of Mexican food. I ordered a chicken fajita the only Mexican food item on the menu besides the potatoes. It came without a tortilla. They just don't know how to make good Mexican food here.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on January 18, 2020, 04:11:30 AM



If we rent the place pictured above I will convert the loft into a lounge. I leave the place I am living at now and save $300 a month in rent. I'll crash on the couch up in the lounge until I see if this business takes off. I'm not fancy.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on January 18, 2020, 04:22:25 AM



And I am down 7 more kilos. 77 kilos, 169 pounds lost so far. My goal is to lose another 29 kilos. I sure don't eat much of my food I make!




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Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on January 18, 2020, 04:29:50 AM



Another food that is not know here is cornbread. Ilona has learned to make very good cornbread. She made some Friday to bring to her friends this weekend. I suggested putting something red and green into it to give it some color. Then call it Mexican cornbread. Ilona doesn't like that so she leaves it out. I told her I was the boss and she is only the decision maker. She thought that was funny.  :D 




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Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on January 18, 2020, 04:42:43 AM



Not shown the photos is a wall that can be painted on. It is opposite of the brick and stone wall. The landlady said we can't touch the brick and stone wall and we wouldn't want to. Ilona knows a mural artist. I've seen her work and she is very, very good! We might have her paint some murals for us. Something like in the style of the painting below.


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And we'll get some sombreros and cactuses. Maybe get a chainsaw artist to carve up some Mexican theme carving to catch the eye of passerbys. Tables can be set up on the sidewalk. Lots to do!






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Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: jone on January 18, 2020, 10:07:27 AM
Maxx,

Fun news.   However, it is time to actually start your business.   Unless this is an elegant hobby, making money is the ultimate objective of any business activity.   You can't do that unless your doors are open.

Good luck.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: fathertime on January 18, 2020, 06:50:25 PM


I also am dealing with this much money to get this place going:


$1,297.50 (3,828 GEL)in Social Security
 $6000.00 in savings for set up costs. I do however got much of the items already but not the big stuff like refrigerators, stoves and furniture. These we will get used.


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Damn I didn't realize that you were living on $1,297 a month SS.  I'm really pleasantly surprised you are able to have a little extra after expenses.  That really is a tight budget.   

Fathertime! 
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on January 19, 2020, 01:06:37 AM
Maxx,

Fun news.  However, it is time to actually start your business.   Unless this is an elegant hobby, making money is the ultimate objective of any business activity.   You can't do that unless your doors are open.

Good luck.


Worse comes to worse I lose $6000 (Money I set aside from savings) and go back to being the retired guy. I've got a lot to do before I open my doors for business. Things get busy here starting in May.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: JayH on January 19, 2020, 02:01:01 AM
Maxx -- I wish you all the best and success in your venture /

Even more plaudits for  (as Australians say)  --having a go ! :clapping:

Good luck ! ;D
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on January 19, 2020, 02:20:46 AM
Maxx -- I wish you all the best and success in your venture /

Even more plaudits for  (as Australians say)  --having a go ! :clapping:

Good luck ! ;D


Thanks JayH! It is fun but a little stressful plotting all of this. Tomorrow I pick up Ilona and we will go to the gym and do our workouts. Monday is chest and triceps day. The push muscles. I keep a detailed notebook of my progress in regard to weights and repetitions. It is Sunday early afternoon now. I've been fasting since Friday night. I'll break my fast after my workout session at the gym tomorrow (early afternoon). Ilona wants to make tacos afterwards. I have some Chipotle chicken with their adobo sauce in the refrigerator. She thought it was too strong but the tortillas, lettuce and tomato tend to soften the spiciness of it. Tuesday will be the Revenue Service visit for getting the instructions on taxes.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on January 19, 2020, 05:28:23 AM
 

Damn I didn't realize that you were living on $1,297 a month SS.  I'm really pleasantly surprised you are able to have a little extra after expenses.  That really is a tight budget.   

Fathertime!


Thanks Fathertime for being pleasantly surprised I can make it on $1297 a month. It is considered big money over here. I am the only guy I know who is paying lifetime spousal support out of his SS to his American ex-wife of 20 years. I should be getting about $600 more. And I'll will need to report my income to the IRS. And my bank account to the Department of Treasury if more than $10,000 runs through it. I was restricted to starting a business outside the US until I reached full retirement age (66). If I did my my SS would be cut off. Americans are the least free people in the world! When I step back and look at the big picture I am hesitant about getting involved with any of this. My government is my biggest enemy! Such stress thinking about all the ways that bad can happen to me! Maybe GQ is right? Yet, I have to push forward. Why? Out of all of this I hope to find a good woman.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on January 19, 2020, 05:32:34 AM
Yet, I have to push forward. Why? Out of all of this I hope to find a good woman.


Interestedly recently I've had three women taking an interest in me.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: BillyB on January 19, 2020, 02:38:21 PM
Out of all of this I hope to find a good woman.


The way to a woman's heart is through her stomach! Get that restaurant opened!
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: msmob on January 20, 2020, 01:50:29 AM
At a time when flights from the biggest tourist supply ( Russia) are banned and I see how some of the busiest restaurant qtrs of Tblisi are DEAD in winter...I wonder at your plan but kudos for trying.

Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Patagonie on January 20, 2020, 06:35:31 AM

Thanks Fathertime for being pleasantly surprised I can make it on $1297 a month. It is considered big money over here. I am the only guy I know who is paying lifetime spousal support out of his SS to his American ex-wife of 20 years. I should be getting about $600 more. And I'll will need to report my income to the IRS. And my bank account to the Department of Treasury if more than $10,000 runs through it. I was restricted to starting a business outside the US until I reached full retirement age (66). If I did my my SS would be cut off. Americans are the least free people in the world! When I step back and look at the big picture I am hesitant about getting involved with any of this. My government is my biggest enemy! Such stress thinking about all the ways that bad can happen to me! Maybe GQ is right? Yet, I have to push forward. Why? Out of all of this I hope to find a good woman.

 
High five Maxx for your new project, 
Nice idea,
Wish you the best for the incoming season.
 
I couldn't believe that you are still paying to your ex wife spousal support, disgusting western states who consider men as slaves !
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: GQBlues on January 20, 2020, 09:49:48 AM
.. Such stress thinking about all the ways that bad can happen to me! Maybe GQ is right?

I don't give a rat's arse where my sentiment lies in everyone's mind, maxx. Just based on your posted situation, I personally feel the prospect is not a very good one, much less promising. But whatever you do, I wish you the very best of all possibilities you embark upon.

For one...

Yet, I have to push forward. Why? Out of all of this I hope to find a good woman.

That, in of itself, tells me you're doing this for all the wrong reason. If nothing else, your priorities are backwards at best, if not downright destructive.

If finding a good woman is your ultimate goal, then put all your honest energy in that instead. What's wrong with that approach?
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on January 20, 2020, 10:47:41 AM
But whatever you do, I wish you the very best of all possibilities you embark upon.


Thanks!


Whether I succeed in this or fail in it, it is not the end of the world for me. Interestedly for me, is you are on the same side as Moby!  :D  Except an important difference... you wish me well... he doesn't.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: msmob on January 20, 2020, 02:04:01 PM

Thanks!


Whether I succeed in this or fail in it, it is not the end of the world for me. Interestedly for me, is you are on the same side as Moby!  :D  Except an important difference... you wish me well... he doesn't.

Maxx,

As ever, you aren't reading people well.. I'd be MORE than happy to be proven wrong .. I said KUDOS  to you for trying
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: BillyB on January 20, 2020, 03:13:08 PM
Whether I succeed in this or fail in it, it is not the end of the world for me.


You're right. Most businesses fail and if this restaurant doesn't succeed, you still have guaranteed money coming from the pension you get. You will be able to save up again and open up another Tex Mex restaurant. It took Edison 10,000 attempts to get the light bulb working right and he proved to everybody he could get it done. Edison wasn't too bright(no pun intended). You're smarter than Edison and should be able to open a successful Tex Mex restaurant in half the attempts!
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Boethius on January 20, 2020, 03:15:22 PM
I couldn't believe that you are still paying to your ex wife spousal support, disgusting western states who consider men as slaves !


It's quite common to split pension rights in the West.  Men can get out of that by paying a lump sum at the time of settlement, if the woman agrees.  Factors which ameliorate the payment are the wife's pension income (if she had one, he would be entitled to a share of her pension), length of marriage, and whether or not the wife worked.


Good luck, Maxx.  I assume you will need to purchase a lot more kitchen equipment.  If you can restrict your lease to one year, do so.  In your shoes, I'd probably try for a fast food type model, or a stand, rather than a sit down location.


This post was composed without the aid of google.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: ML on January 21, 2020, 09:50:36 AM
I think Maxx is talking about having to pay his wife some of his Social Security income, not from any private pension plan.

Actually, former spouses can draw some Social Security income directly from SS based on marriage to a person without any directive from a divorce proceeding.

So I suspect his ex wife is getting that income.

However, in addition to that money which every former spouse can get directly from SS (there are some qualifications related to age, length of marriage, etc.) . . .

It seems that, in this case, Maxx's divorce settlement requires him to pay ex wife some additional money out of his own Social Security income.

Maxx can clarify.

- - - - - - -

More on Social Security payments.

The SS plan is quite liberal as to who can get some payments and from what relationship.

For instance:  (I will use wife getting from husband's account because that is the most common, but applies the other way around also.)

Wife and husband divorce.  Wife remarries and at some point, starts drawing SS based on her second husband's SS record.  Wife has never worked.
Second husband dies, wife still gets SS based on his record.  However, she can switch and get SS from first husband if that amount would be greater.  This can happen even if first husband has a second wife who is also getting SS based on his record.
Or wife can divorce second husband, and start drawing SS based on first husband's record.

Again, there are some requirements regarding age, length of marriages, etc.
And, the rules have been modified over the years, and will be modified again in the future.

Also, if wife has worked, she can draw from husband's account for a period of time, and then switch to drawing from her own account at some point.  This is sometimes advantageous because one's own SS amount goes up significantly if they wait until full retirement age rather than start drawing at minimum age of 62.
Title: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: 2tallbill on January 21, 2020, 10:31:16 AM

It's quite common to split pension rights in the West.  Men can get out of that by paying a lump sum at the time of settlement, if the woman agrees.  Factors which ameliorate the payment are the wife's pension income (if she had one, he would be entitled to a share of her pension), length of marriage, and whether or not the wife worked.

What if he made $200 in income per month, an exwife
would be entitled to half of that? In my mind there should
be a threshold that he doesn't have to go below.

Title: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: 2tallbill on January 21, 2020, 10:37:15 AM
Maxx,

Restaurants are a tough business. They require nearly constant
attention especially on holidays, weekends and evenings.

In the beginning the problems are overhead and cashflow and
there is always watching whoever touches the money and then
the next problem is building a reserve for the ups and downs.
I hope for your continued success. I appreciate you coming here
and blogging about your experience. If I were single and 7 years
older, I would be jealous!

Udachi! ts’armat’ebebi!

Bill   

Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Boethius on January 21, 2020, 01:39:20 PM
What if he made $200 in income per month, an exwife would be entitled to half of that? In my mind there should be a threshold that he doesn't have to go below.


If that were the case, presumably the ex would have had her own source of income, as no one can live on $200 per month.


This post was composed without the aid of google.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on January 22, 2020, 12:08:04 AM
I think Maxx is talking about having to pay his wife some of his Social Security income, not from any private pension plan.

Actually, former spouses can draw some Social Security income directly from SS based on marriage to a person without any directive from a divorce proceeding.

So I suspect his ex wife is getting that income.

However, in addition to that money which every former spouse can get directly from SS (there are some qualifications related to age, length of marriage, etc.) . . .

It seems that, in this case, Maxx's divorce settlement requires him to pay ex wife some additional money out of his own Social Security income.

Maxx can clarify.

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My Social Security income should be about $1800 a month. My ex-wife while I was in the Republic of Georgia petitioned the court in Minnesota for a portion of my SS. She got over $1000 of it because I failed to show (her plan) for the trial. I got the papers the day before the 21 days to respond came. My monthly income went down to $684. So I had to travel back to Minnesota in 2016 and lived with my mother who was in her last days. Eventually my ex-wife by pressure from our two daughters agreed to a equal portion, 50-50. So $1711 at that time (about $1800 this time) went to $1370. This was from a Minnesota court. But two years ago she appealed to the Federal court and got another 10%. Now she gets what I used to get and I get about what she was supposed to get. We were married over 25 years so according to Minnesota (liberal State) law she can get life time spousal support.


I am about leave to pick up my helper in this business. Three days a week we go to the gym and do our workouts. She has two duties, help me scout this business out and push me to the gym. Today is the fifth day of my fast. I haven't eaten a thing since Friday night (Wednesday late morning now). Coffee with creme and water is all I consume. That and my nutritional supplements I have in the refrigerator. I am dropping weight fast and am feeling full of energy. Got to go!
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: GQBlues on January 22, 2020, 10:36:09 AM

Thanks!

Whether I succeed in this or fail in it, it is not the end of the world for me. Interestedly for me, is you are on the same side as Moby!  :D  Except an important difference... you wish me well... he doesn't.

Maxx-

One night during the holiday period while having dinner with our folks, you came to mind. There had been this restaurant crazed in LA for a good while now. It even have a massive appeal to millennials as they represent a great deal of the eating patrons in these establishments (you have no idea who difficult it is to compete with smart phones for millennials approval much less attention these days). Wherever you go. which ever restaurant it is, these places are always packed.

I took the crew out to a Korean Barbeque (http://www.google.com/search?q=korean+barbeque&rlz=1C1GCEU_enUS876US876&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiJ-ryv2JfnAhWDMX0KHWlUAc0Q_AUoAnoECBIQBA&biw=1280&bih=578&dpr=1.5).

Now I relate this experience with you because a) Our crew consisted of wifey's sister (lives in Germany/Turkey) and BIL (married to sis, Turk, 1st time in LA), SIL from Canada, nephew, my brother and wife (Christian Lebanese)+ kid, my BFF and son - thus this isn't just an 'American' traditional influence; b) the seemingly 'easy' way to a successful restaurant biz...

1. The menu isn't compose of tens of varieties of cooked/prepared entrees..Korean Barbeque restaurants is an 'all-you-can-eat' deal consisting of roughly 3-6 different combinations. Dessert, the drinks..
2. The staple is very easy and is readily available anywhere in the world - meat. 'Combinations have 5-6 different kinds and your set. As long as it can be sliced then frozen - you're set as you can serve them 'frozen'. Some do marinate the meat, but that can be an option for you. You'll compliment this with Korean sauces (mustard/ponzu/sweet soy sauce) and varying types of Kim Chi. fresh vegies, seaweed, salt/pepper, maybe miso or some easy to make soup. The only thing you'll need to remember is never mix serve anything 'Chinese' to a Korean/Japanese dinner serving.

These restaurants in LA right now is literally 'fail safe'. VERY cheap to start and people will not only love the food, they'll embrace the ambiance and setup.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyB3bhKiffM
 

(Mind you, just throwing out an idea out there for you, ok?)

An aside: Just curiuos...You mentioned upthread you plan on serving some of Mejico's cervezas, I wonder how much is a liquor license in Georgia, if there's any? Here in LA, the cost of a liquor license cost as much as a single family home. That's largely why alcoholic beverages are very expensive in restaurants and bars.


Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: 2tallbill on January 22, 2020, 02:01:57 PM

My Social Security income should be

Just a question, once she gets to 67 years old or whatever, wouldn't
her social security kick in and stop her from getting a piece of yours?
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Patagonie on January 22, 2020, 02:34:18 PM

It's quite common to split pension rights in the West.  Men can get out of that by paying a lump sum at the time of settlement, if the woman agrees.  Factors which ameliorate the payment are the wife's pension income (if she had one, he would be entitled to a share of her pension), length of marriage, and whether or not the wife worked.


Good luck, Maxx.  I assume you will need to purchase a lot more kitchen equipment.  If you can restrict your lease to one year, do so.  In your shoes, I'd probably try for a fast food type model, or a stand, rather than a sit down location.


This post was composed without the aid of google.
We don't have such a thing in France.
We have the compensatory alimony, a capital that should be paid after the divorce.
The spousal support while waiting the divorce to been achieved.
The reversion pension WHEN YOU ARE DEAD, this is a fraction of the pension after you have left the workforce  (55%) given to the ex spouse and shared bewteen the different ex spouses to make it simple.

Nowadays 93% of women have the benefit of reversion's pension. 
Why not, but why men, dying 7 years before women enjoy almost 50% of time pension less than women, why their retirment time  from the workforce don't happen 7 years before women ? An other inequality never discussed. And above all it is reproched to the men to earn more. Partially because they almost all perform outdoors job, the most dangerous. But finally women at the end are quite happy that they become dead meat as 93% of the time the get good money from the well hung dead in France.
 
So if I resume it would have been better for Max to divorce before she could claims any right on her SS pension. Better for him to divorce to protect himself rather than waiting her to divorce and screw up a man getting older and forcing him to emigrate in a low cost country.THAT's absolutely disgusting for me, I want to vomit, and all those "put the name you like" are proud of this system?
Is this the new feminism, a new world of a rearranging domination where the roles are simply reversed with the blessing of the law ? What a beautiful new world !


Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Patagonie on January 22, 2020, 02:36:27 PM
I think Maxx is talking about having to pay his wife some of his Social Security income, not from any private pension plan.

Actually, former spouses can draw some Social Security income directly from SS based on marriage to a person without any directive from a divorce proceeding.

So I suspect his ex wife is getting that income.

However, in addition to that money which every former spouse can get directly from SS (there are some qualifications related to age, length of marriage, etc.) . . .

It seems that, in this case, Maxx's divorce settlement requires him to pay ex wife some additional money out of his own Social Security income.

Maxx can clarify.

- - - - - - -

More on Social Security payments.

The SS plan is quite liberal as to who can get some payments and from what relationship.

For instance:  (I will use wife getting from husband's account because that is the most common, but applies the other way around also.)

Wife and husband divorce.  Wife remarries and at some point, starts drawing SS based on her second husband's SS record.  Wife has never worked.
Second husband dies, wife still gets SS based on his record.  However, she can switch and get SS from first husband if that amount would be greater.  This can happen even if first husband has a second wife who is also getting SS based on his record.
Or wife can divorce second husband, and start drawing SS based on first husband's record.

Again, there are some requirements regarding age, length of marriages, etc.
And, the rules have been modified over the years, and will be modified again in the future.

Also, if wife has worked, she can draw from husband's account for a period of time, and then switch to drawing from her own account at some point.  This is sometimes advantageous because one's own SS amount goes up significantly if they wait until full retirement age rather than start drawing at minimum age of 62.

 
Thank for the informations ML
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on January 25, 2020, 02:00:47 AM



Sorry folks for not answering everyones' questions. We've been busy investigating costs and complications of running a business in the Republic of Georgia.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on January 25, 2020, 02:55:24 AM

Good luck, Maxx. I assume you will need to purchase a lot more kitchen equipment.  If you can restrict your lease to one year, do so.  In your shoes, I'd probably try for a fast food type model, or a stand, rather than a sit down location.



The reason I'm going to the restaurant route instead of a cart/stand is because I can live upstairs in the loft and save myself from paying rent of an apartment, $500 of business rent verses $300 a month of apartment. If the restaurant becomes successful my plan is to rent an apartment upstairs that my landlord and landlady own. She is on her way to Canada right now and her husband (Georgians) is going to follow her in a few months. In a few months the tourist season starts. I picked a good spot because there is a bar just down the street called the "Irish Bar" that attracts a lot of Western tourists.


Now to the photos of restaurant equipment we will need to purchase.


(http://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49437575548_e1ba9ac30a_b.jpg)




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It is 90 centimeters wide. Which is about half again as wide as a standard size stove.


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$400


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$230   It is quite large


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We need two of these. Our plan to model the food and service off of Chipotle. So three kinds of meat, beef, pork and chicken. Then rice with cilantro, Mexican fried rice and beans. They are warmers.


Cost 670 GEL each, total of $462. 


We will also need 8 pans for keeping the food cool. Lettuce, cheese, diced tomatoes, diced onions, salsa, corn salsa, sour creme and guacamole.


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And a stainless steel table to put them on/in. Cost 650 GEL ($224) and we will need a sneeze guard.


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Ilona checking pans


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A used stainless steel commercial sink. Cost 150 GEL, $50


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3 tables at 150 GEL each, $150 for 3. We think three more smaller ones will be enough. With city permission we can put tables and chairs outside.


Chairs, haven't figured out yet on how many.


Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on January 25, 2020, 03:29:06 AM
Maxx-

An aside: Just curiuos...You mentioned upthread you plan on serving some of Mejico's cervezas, I wonder how much is a liquor license in Georgia, if there's any? Here in LA, the cost of a liquor license cost as much as a single family home. That's largely why alcoholic beverages are very expensive in restaurants and bars.

We talked to a Ukrainian restauranteur about the business conditions here. The rules, requirements and taxes. We've also inquired at the Government center.


There is no liquor license needed. When getting the business license which cost about $25 there is a box to be checked off on the application form. This is to state that we'll be surviving alcohol. The type of alcohol, beer, wine or hard liquor they don't care. This is true of all the little stores her. There is no zoning laws. If you want to turn your garage or the front of your house into a store that sells liquor nobody including the government cares.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on January 25, 2020, 03:41:15 AM
We don't have such a thing in France.
We have the compensatory alimony, a capital that should be paid after the divorce.
The spousal support while waiting the divorce to been achieved.
The reversion pension WHEN YOU ARE DEAD, this is a fraction of the pension after you have left the workforce  (55%) given to the ex spouse and shared bewteen the different ex spouses to make it simple.

Nowadays 93% of women have the benefit of reversion's pension. 
Why not, but why men, dying 7 years before women enjoy almost 50% of time pension less than women, why their retirment time  from the workforce don't happen 7 years before women ? An other inequality never discussed. And above all it is reproched to the men to earn more. Partially because they almost all perform outdoors job, the most dangerous. But finally women at the end are quite happy that they become dead meat as 93% of the time the get good money from the well hung dead in France.
 
So if I resume it would have been better for Max to divorce before she could claims any right on her SS pension. Better for him to divorce to protect himself rather than waiting her to divorce and screw up a man getting older and forcing him to emigrate in a low cost country.THAT's absolutely disgusting for me, I want to vomit, and all those "put the name you like" are proud of this system?
Is this the new feminism, a new world of a rearranging domination where the roles are simply reversed with the blessing of the law ? What a beautiful new world !


I do not but I know I can't change it. For me it is like the serenity prayer:


God, grant me the Serenity
To accept the things I cannot change...
Courage to change the things I can,
And Wisdom to know the difference.

 
There are somethings I try not to think about. But have to, to keep bad things from happening to me.

Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on January 25, 2020, 04:30:08 AM
Maxx-

One night during the holiday period while having dinner with our folks, you came to mind. There had been this restaurant crazed in LA for a good while now. It even have a massive appeal to millennials as they represent a great deal of the eating patrons in these establishments (you have no idea who difficult it is to compete with smart phones for millennials approval much less attention these days). Wherever you go. which ever restaurant it is, these places are always packed.

I took the crew out to a Korean Barbeque (http://www.google.com/search?q=korean+barbeque&rlz=1C1GCEU_enUS876US876&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiJ-ryv2JfnAhWDMX0KHWlUAc0Q_AUoAnoECBIQBA&biw=1280&bih=578&dpr=1.5).

Now I relate this experience with you because a) Our crew consisted of wifey's sister (lives in Germany/Turkey) and BIL (married to sis, Turk, 1st time in LA), SIL from Canada, nephew, my brother and wife (Christian Lebanese)+ kid, my BFF and son - thus this isn't just an 'American' traditional influence; b) the seemingly 'easy' way to a successful restaurant biz...

1. The menu isn't compose of tens of varieties of cooked/prepared entrees..Korean Barbeque restaurants is an 'all-you-can-eat' deal consisting of roughly 3-6 different combinations. Dessert, the drinks..
2. The staple is very easy and is readily available anywhere in the world - meat. 'Combinations have 5-6 different kinds and your set. As long as it can be sliced then frozen - you're set as you can serve them 'frozen'. Some do marinate the meat, but that can be an option for you. You'll compliment this with Korean sauces (mustard/ponzu/sweet soy sauce) and varying types of Kim Chi. fresh vegies, seaweed, salt/pepper, maybe miso or some easy to make soup. The only thing you'll need to remember is never mix serve anything 'Chinese' to a Korean/Japanese dinner serving.

These restaurants in LA right now is literally 'fail safe'. VERY cheap to start and people will not only love the food, they'll embrace the ambiance and setup.

 

(Mind you, just throwing out an idea out there for you, ok?)



I watched the video.



I appreciate everyones ideas. Even the cautionary ones because they help me understand where I might need to keep my guard up.


All-you-can-eat has been on my mind for the last few years. One thing I've noticed is how niggardly the restaurants are here to portion sizes even of inexpensive food (Rice and wheat products). In my opinion the business people here are not so smart. They have little imagination about things that might bring them additional business.


Back in 2018 I had the idea of replicating a successful restaurant chain. The owner, Peter, was a Chinese-American businessman. We were friendly acquaintances. Fellow businessmen often respect each other. Peter's restaurant is called the Rose Garden had a "buffet" from 11 to 2.  It was always packed. He has 2  restaurants .maybe a third all modeled off his idea. http://www.rosegardencr.com/coonrapids.html (http://www.rosegardencr.com/coonrapids.html)


What they did different was the all-you-can-eat was brought out in glass bowls and the servers would go from table to table. The food fresh off the kitchen wok and still steaming. The soft drinks were in cans and at room temperature. The glasses came with crushed ice. That tended to dilute the drinks with water. I thought refrigerated soft drinks with glasses of ice cubes would be much better but Peter had made that choice. A lot of people here (Georgia) do not like cold drinks.


One of the things we haven't checked yet is the cost of a soft drink machine. Or the cost of the beverage. I know the refrigerators are given out as free for their advertisement and the promise of buying more of their product.


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There are three refrigerators outside of a store I used to go to. The store closed which as a little sad for me because the cashier and I were hitting it off. She was so good looking!


Anyway if the price isn't too expensive I'll do what they do in the States, free refills. And maybe courteous cups with lids They just do not do that here. I'll have to do what Chipotle does, an extra meat charge and a guacamole charge. Avocados are unfortunately seasonal here. Turkey, which is 8 miles from me, is trying to change that though. 
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Title: Taxes, Taxes, Taxes
Post by: Maxx2 on January 25, 2020, 05:23:49 AM



From the government center and our Ukrainian restauranteur.


There are 5 types of taxes here. Income tax, import tax, employee tax, rent tax and 1% tax on cash flow.


There is a tax status for businessmen called Individual Entrepreneur. I costs about $25 to get it and a 4 day wait. Every Lari the businessman receives is to be run through a cash register that has an online connection to a bank and to their Revenue Department. 1% of the first 100,000 Lari (GEL) is automatically deducted. 100,000 GEL is $34,482. So your first $34,482 is taxed at 1% ($344.82).

If you exceed 100,000 GEL you get bumped into the 18% higher income tax bracket on earnings above this. Very few people here make that kind of money.

There is a 20% employee tax to be paid to the Revenue Department. Tax laws here are not criminalized like they are in the States. People do not get arrested for cheating on their taxes. Not reporting income is very, very common. Often times employees receive 2 incomes, official and money under the table. It is a way for them to avoid paying more taxes.

The final tax is the 20% rent tax. When applying for a business license the rent documents, the lease, is shown. Then once a month 20% of the rent is to be sent to the Revenue Department. Often with the lease, like the employee's pay, games are played.

Like in the States, taxes are something employees rarely worry about. Like in the States it is only the business owners that need to be concerned. But I am told few do as things are rather slack as far as tax enforcement.

The nice thing about Georgia's business environment is there is no need to keep receipts and hire bookkeepers. Poor countries cannot afford such "luxuries".

AND there is no sales tax. No property tax. GQ, could you tell us how high California's sales, income and property taxes are?

But, there is an import tax of 18% on products exceeding 300 GEL ($100). Zero % if under that amount. To avoid paying the import tax people get multiple accounts to have their import products shipped to or use their friends' accounts.  Everyone knows this. Tax avoidance is a part of life here.

My estimate of monthly taxes I will pay on this business is about $150.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on January 25, 2020, 05:47:58 AM


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Orange tree with fruit and snick (snow) on the ground.


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Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on January 26, 2020, 08:46:56 AM
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Working around Ilona my employee can be rather distracting

Title: Re: Taxes, Taxes, Taxes
Post by: GQBlues on January 26, 2020, 08:55:49 AM
...AND there is no sales tax. No property tax. GQ, could you tell us how high California's sales, income and property taxes are?

But, there is an import tax of 18% on products exceeding 300 GEL ($100). Zero % if under that amount. To avoid paying the import tax people get multiple accounts to have their import products shipped to or use their friends' accounts.  Everyone knows this. Tax avoidance is a part of life here.

My estimate of monthly taxes I will pay on this business is about $150.


Well, you do know of course State is not the only one that sucks up monies from people and businesses, right? The Feds of course, shares in the loot. It appears, based on what I'm reading from your post, Georgia at least have only one loot center.

But having said that, I'll brush over your Q. We'll exclude any/all FLM (Federal Looting Machination).

California tax system is higher than the national average, if not downright the highest taxed State. A lot of businesses had relocated to neighboring States like NV, AZ, NM and even the Long Horn State because of it. What keeps many still tempted to stay is the sheer fact California boast the highest combined economic engine in the nation. Even rivaling most nations globally. Bigger than that of Canada, IINM, if not comparable.

So anyway, Businesses Tax(es): There's 3 types of taxation - Corporate, AMT (Alt. Min. Tax) and Franchise Tax. Depending what 'type of business' determines which category you fall under e.g. Corporation, LLC, P-T (Pass-Through), S-Corp., etc..IINM, pass-through businesses are liable for double taxation. These taxation systems are all in Naty's wheelhouse. She's in what they refer to as FI (Financial Institution) department. She handles C-Corps, S-Corps, Banks, etc...Not very familiar in the details of these...

There are other things that (small) businesses get hit with. A.B. 5 (Assembly Bill No. 5) for example. A new policy state law, passed last summer and effective AO January 1, 2020; that affects transport companies which results in addition financial strain. Cost which ultimately goes to the general public. Gas Tax is another. For every gallon of gas, the State takes about $0.50+/- off it. Each year, retail gas consumption is in the range of 14-15 billion gallons. Now think of that a little bit. Literally Cal-Trans takes in $  7-almost 8 billion dollars every year!!! Then people like jone and fathertime goes out and voted for measure they absolutely know nothing about last election (NO on proposition 6)  and gave the State carte blanche to raise our gas tax even more anytime they please, unannounced, from now on. Cal-Trans takes in approximately 4 times Georgia's annual GDP.

Regulations - that's another dandy of a looting system. The last euro-stooge levied so much regulations against businesses causing the massive hiring of government employees and get them in Unions to regulate it. In short order, this was one of the nastier tactic he did to 'take from the alleged rich., It matters not if they're a small family-owned or start-up businesses. The silly 8 years only saw massive hiring of unqualified small demographic sector in our governments. Anyone in California can tell you the expanded hiring at any of our DMV, causing it to be even more inefficient. You'd think you're in a different country upon entering any DMV by the looks of the people working there. Now, one actually can pay an additional fee to make up for their inefficiencies and/or to circumvent it and handle it 'online'. Then add in ACA, yadayadayada whatever...one begins to understand the 'agenda'.

Sales Tax: Statewide, I think it's in the 6-7.5% baseline. Cities and/or Counties further assess their share of the loot. If that isn't enough, districts within those municipalities add in their additional local a$$essment charges. For example, L.A. charges a whopping 9.5%, yet within this, zip codes also determines exactly what the rate will ultimately be. While B.H. is at 9.5%, Long Beach I think had theirs raised to 10.25%. Last report I saw had California having the highest *combined* State and Local sales tax assessment.

Property Tax: General PT is still $10.00 per $1,000 value. Again, local municipalities determines final assessment. Some localities are assessed 1.25+%.

State Income Tax (add Local & SDI to that): State baseline rate is from 1-12.3%. Your AGI determines what tax rate you fall into. Once again, this is separate from Local, SDI assessment. Taps out at 12.3% but for anyone making over a $1 million/yr, an additional 1% is added and is slated for the cost of Mental Health care. It's California after all, you know. Crazies are considered handicapped and they get to roam around statewide on different social programs while they attend hundreds of protests in the middle of the work week and preach righteous bullshits against those who labored and earned their millions. You know, the usual whiny liberals, snowflakes, antifa, etc...

As for poor people like us, for example, since I get paid $8.23/hr, my year end AGI puts me in the 1% bracket. Wifey's salary is less than mine at $6.92/hr ( btw, based on her rapid accent in her career, she can and will easily surpassed me soon enough), and had she been a single tax filer, not only will she be in the 1 percenter, she may even get some state credits or be entitled in some stupid loser social entitlements. Yes, she's also a loser like me. She's a 'salaried' Californian. Works so much she never have time to bask in the sun, man. Poor thing..Our combined AGI places us at about maybe in the 2-3% bracket I would guess, eh. Really tough for us living comfortably in the heart of all the glitz and bling of Hollywood in this regard. Still baffles me how we managed to make ends meet every year, man.

But don't get me wrong, as bad as the above may seem on the surface, many of it is just. It can get ridiculous and worst. like getting duped and robbed taxed for one's personal gain like this (http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/harry-and-meghans-big-funding-source-is-private-sort-of/ar-BBZkYRQ?li=BBnb7Kz).

Maxx, I can understand pensioners like yourself making ends meet in places like Mejico, So. America and or even where you are, Georgia. It is when you read *alleged financially successful* idiots making do in oppressed or economically challenged regions, while perpetually pretending living large, the optics just doesn't fit the frame, know I mean?

Anyway- going back to my initial post i.e. Korean Barbeque, I hope you'd really consider. Food cost percentage is absurdly low in comparison. Minimal food preparation since patrons does all the 'cooking'. Minimal food waste since the main entry is either frozen or marinated. Readily available and easy to supply staples like meat and vegetables. Kim Chis are very easy to prepare and keep fresh. The only thing you'll 'cook' is either rice and or maybe soup. Which culture doesn't enjoy a good sitting of barbeque and beers/drinks?

Lastly dude, please, as for the uninvited, annoying outside noise, I hope I don't need to remind you the phrase: *fool on you once, shame on that scumbag - fool on you twice - will only make you a blaring sorry SOB and an idiot*. Loneliness sometimes can make people like you very vulnerable. Once people show you their true character, don't let it bite your ass again. Watch your 6, man. Never let a beast enter your home - twice.
Title: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: 2tallbill on January 26, 2020, 11:24:45 AM
Warning slightly off topic:

There is a Georgian word "shemomedjamo"

You know when you’re full, but your food is so tasty you keep
eating it? "Shemomedjamo" means “I accidentally ate the whole thing."

Mostly off topic continued.

Georgian word Zeg means the day after tomorrow.

Sansvla and chama are the Georgian words for eat.

Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: ML on January 26, 2020, 11:40:18 AM
"Shemomedjamo" means “I accidentally ate the whole thing."



TV commercial a hundred years ago for a stomach antacid:

"I can't believe I ate the whole thing!!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFKifpMtlNs
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on January 27, 2020, 09:25:16 PM
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Got the keys. The rent is $500 a month. Four businesses down is 'The Irish Bar". A lot of Western tourists go there. Two businesses down is an Indian restaurant.  I am going to try to sell tourist agencies the idea of coming to my Tex-Mex restaurant.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: BillyB on January 27, 2020, 10:04:32 PM

Looks like a cozy place. Not a lot of room on the sidewalk for outdoor tables though. Now you need a sign or someone to draw up the restaurant name in fancy lettering on the window "Maxx's Wet and Wild in Your Face Tex Mex Food and Marriage Agency". Not everybody walking down the sidewalk is looking for food. Some look for marriage.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on January 27, 2020, 10:39:34 PM
Looks like a cozy place. Not a lot of room on the sidewalk for outdoor tables though. Now you need a sign or someone to draw up the restaurant name in fancy lettering on the window "Maxx's Wet and Wild in Your Face Tex Mex Food and Marriage Agency". Not everybody walking down the sidewalk is looking for food. Some look for marriage.


Thanks Billy! You give me such good ideas!


Worse comes to worse I can turn it into an apartment. 


I am really excited by the walls. It is like it was meant to be a Tex-Mex restaurant.


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Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: jone on January 27, 2020, 11:02:33 PM
Great choice, Maxx.   

Now come the fixtures.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on January 28, 2020, 03:46:31 AM
Great choice, Maxx.   

Now come the fixtures.


We are figuring the furniture. Chairs will be our biggest expense. The tables can be custom made from the unstained wooden table tops sold at Georgeia "Home Depot" type of store here. I am thinking a redwood stain to match the brick wall. 
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: BillyB on January 28, 2020, 08:46:51 AM

We are figuring the furniture. Chairs will be our biggest expense. The tables can be custom made from the unstained wooden table tops sold at Georgeia "Home Depot" type of store here. I am thinking a redwood stain to match the brick wall.

I'm not sure redwood will go good with the tan and grey stones on the wall. Talk to an interior decorator. Also important is you keep the Tex Mex theme to give your restaurant character that's authentic. Hang some old Wild West items, pictures, and sombreros on the wall if allowed.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Patagonie on January 28, 2020, 09:31:44 AM

I do not but I know I can't change it. For me it is like the serenity prayer:


God, grant me the Serenity
To accept the things I cannot change...
Courage to change the things I can,
And Wisdom to know the difference.

 
There are somethings I try not to think about. But have to, to keep bad things from happening to me.

 
You are a wise man Maxx,I wish you the best for this new project.you have a lot of courage.
 
Udachi.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on January 28, 2020, 11:42:15 PM

 
You are a wise man Maxx,I wish you the best for this new project.you have a lot of courage.
 
Udachi.


Thanks Pat


Where the business currently stands is this. It is being decided whether to start it or not. The place I rented is for two months. During that time we are investigating the prices of the kitchen equipment et cetera. The reason we didn't do it before is because we didn't know what we will need based on the place we would get.


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What is this? Chalk to draw on the floor to determine the size and shape of the things we will need to get. In Tbilisi there is a warehouse of good used restaurant equipment. There is a Turkish law that requires restaurants to get all new equipment, tables etc. ever 5 years. I'll be going there soon and check it out.


Starting in April we will get a lease. This is necessary to get a business license. The idea is to see how this restaurant goes for a few months and if it doesn't then I will shut it down and convert it into an apartment. The apartment upstairs is available at $700 a month. This one is at $500. The risk I am taking is about $5000-$7000 of savings. Life is a gamble and this is one for me. We'll see how it goes.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on January 29, 2020, 06:30:39 AM



To give a Chipotle experience.


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New, $4,000  Used, $172.42



Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: fathertime on January 29, 2020, 07:29:51 AM


To give a Chipotle experience.


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The price differential should make this a no brainer.  $4000 is outrageous....$172 is a steal!   

Fathertime!   






New, $4,000  Used, $172.42
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on January 29, 2020, 09:24:30 AM



Thanks for the bump Fathertime!
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on January 31, 2020, 08:22:37 AM


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We have the same problem in Georgia as does this board, trolls.




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Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: BillyB on January 31, 2020, 02:02:40 PM



They know their Engrish.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on February 06, 2020, 08:43:52 AM



Fired Ilona today.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Faux Pas on February 06, 2020, 08:55:42 AM


Fired Ilona today.

Any further details?
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on February 06, 2020, 09:19:51 AM
Any further details?




Near bedtime. I'll tell you when I awaken. It is all stuff of the Slavic mentality of the influence of "friends" with the 'crabs in a bucket' mentality.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: BdHvA on February 06, 2020, 11:37:50 AM
Maxx, My compliments for attempting this. The food industry is not easy and while some make a living, the majority fail. The success stories are a few and far between. That noted it seems like you might have a successful formula.

For myself I look forward to reading of your further exploits and reports. I should note I usually just lurk on RWD.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: BillyB on February 06, 2020, 12:25:54 PM

Fired Ilona today.


Did you film the entire event? You may be able to submit the tape to the "Undercover Boss" reality tv show if it's still airing. Firing employees before the business opens may be something they're interested in.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: GQBlues on February 06, 2020, 02:22:42 PM
Maxx, My compliments for attempting this. The food industry is not easy and while some make a living, the majority fail. The success stories are a few and far between. That noted it seems like you might have a successful formula.


I agree.

Quote
For myself I look forward to reading of your further exploits and reports. I should note I usually just lurk on RWD.


I cannot say I blame you.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on February 08, 2020, 10:13:17 AM


I agree.




I cannot say I blame you.


I got a thread about the firing of Ilona here in Starting Out section. Life can be so strange!


Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on February 08, 2020, 12:16:24 PM
Weekends are the worst times to launch a thread. I'll be interested what Monday (USA time) will bring.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Trenchcoat on February 08, 2020, 03:10:10 PM
Yet, I have to push forward. Why? Out of all of this I hope to find a good woman.[/font]

I think it's a great idea what you have planned here Maxx. I would say though that consider being adaptable, if the restaurant model doesn't work well then maybe consider changing to fast food version or adapting to some other business, a night time bar or whatever.

I think what you are doing is the right approach to find a woman out there. They will notice a foreign guy who is running a business and will think he is wealthy and doing well for himself. They will see that there is a business there and not just another foreign guy/retiree.

In fairness a woman out there would probably think that if she gets with a foreign guy who is drawing a pension if it were to happen that the guy later passes on sooner than hoped then the lady could be left high and dry since she I assume would unlikely be able to claim the pension. However if there is a business there that she could gain then that could be more reassuring to her.

Hope it all works for you :)
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: msmob on February 08, 2020, 11:43:54 PM
Written by a guy who hasn't been to the Rep of Geogia...

Rule #1 do not fraternise, hope for relationships, or take loads of photos of employees .

They should be paid for the work they do and work time be clearly defined and they go home to separate lives.

Big companies have rules on relationships at work for operation reasons.



Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on February 09, 2020, 12:48:10 AM
I think it's a great idea what you have planned here Maxx. I would say though that consider being adaptable, if the restaurant model doesn't work well then maybe consider changing to fast food version or adapting to some other business, a night time bar or whatever.

I think what you are doing is the right approach to find a woman out there. They will notice a foreign guy who is running a business and will think he is wealthy and doing well for himself. They will see that there is a business there and not just another foreign guy/retiree.

In fairness a woman out there would probably think that if she gets with a foreign guy who is drawing a pension if it were to happen that the guy later passes on sooner than hoped then the lady could be left high and dry since she I assume would unlikely be able to claim the pension. However if there is a business there that she could gain then that could be more reassuring to her.

Hope it all works for you :)


Thanks Trenchcoat. You have some good points.


Snagging a woman is not the reason for me to do this. I am mainly doing this as something interesting to do. Something fun to do. I am also thinking the activity will be good for my health. I lean strongly towards being sedentary.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on February 09, 2020, 06:09:35 AM



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There must be at least 20 centimeters of snow on the ground!
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Trenchcoat on February 09, 2020, 10:59:50 AM

Thanks Trenchcoat. You have some good points.


Snagging a woman is not the reason for me to do this. I am mainly doing this as something interesting to do. Something fun to do. I am also thinking the activity will be good for my health. I lean strongly towards being sedentary.

That's ok Maxx. It's great you are doing this new venture of yours for enjoyment, I think that is a positive in its favour of succeeding. You have shown that you have been committed to making some great salsa sauce, if so stuff like that could be a real draw for such a business. I would build on that if I were you, look to make other aspects of your Mexican restaurant to be great also, but don't let it drag your timescale to open back too much.

Perhaps make a note of all the people you will need to run this restaurant and the essential skills they will require. Also what your role will be in this business, likely overseeing the enterprise will be a key one such as keeping an eye on the money and stock levels and making sure everyone is doing their job and treating customers well.

If you need another person to assist you in opening the business pay them the going rate and look for someone who seems 'on the job' used to working type of person. I'm guessing that someone with good experience in catering may fit the bill. Perhaps put an ad out in their version of the Jobcentre/Labor Exchange and see who applies. Stressing experience needed may be best in the job advert. If you get someone with deep experience they may be invaluable in the long haul and if problems occur.

I think in any case you are probably best of looking for someone by advertising a job than by taking on friends. Friends don't necessarily have what you need, they may have a bit of it but not enough. They may be suitable for a role in your Mexican restaurant but not necessarily the one you currently need. If you need help with a job ad maybe your Russian language tutor might help she sounds like she might have a decent interested in your life or if not maybe hire a terp for it if needs be.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on February 09, 2020, 10:49:47 PM
That's ok Maxx. It's great you are doing this new venture of yours for enjoyment, I think that is a positive in its favour of succeeding. You have shown that you have been committed to making some great salsa sauce, if so stuff like that could be a real draw for such a business. I would build on that if I were you, look to make other aspects of your Mexican restaurant to be great also, but don't let it drag your timescale to open back too much.


There is foot of snow outside and I am not sure the roads are drivable. I doubt sub-tropical Batumi has snow plows. I'd like to get my medical check today. And I have no running water because the pipes are frozen. The water pipes run along the outside of the wall by the kitchen. -3 C. Seems like a lot of  bad omens. 
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Trenchcoat on February 10, 2020, 01:16:48 AM

There is foot of snow outside and I am not sure the roads are drivable. I doubt sub-tropical Batumi has snow plows. I'd like to get my medical check today. And I have no running water because the pipes are frozen. The water pipes run along the outside of the wall by the kitchen. -3 C. Seems like a lot of  bad omens.

Here we've just had gale force winds, neither is probably unusual for this time of year. The snow scene you showed earlier is pretty picturesque, a nice photo :) I would keep warm in this weather and use it as a chance for time out. Could even be useful time to do more planning of your business. The more planning you the greater your chance of success and easier time you can give yourself later on I think. Less gets left to a last minute panic of suddenly realising you need something or someone for stuff to work.

The pipes outside could probably be lagged with foam pipe insulation. I doubt your Landlord would be bothered with that as it's easy stuff to take on and off and pretty cheap to do, plus there is usually no down side to doing it. If you're going to be moving though it probably wouldn't be of use to you. Too late of course when the pipes are already frozen & can't get out and about but it might help avoid another re-occurrence. If it lasts a long time no water could become a pain unless you've stocked up on bottled water in advance. Other than that just food & relaxing I guess. 
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Trenchcoat on February 10, 2020, 06:07:50 AM
Guess you could always melt some snow into water if you get desperate.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: ML on February 10, 2020, 07:19:37 AM
Guess you could always melt some snow into water if you get desperate.

Don't use the yellow snow.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: GQBlues on February 10, 2020, 09:57:23 AM
I'm not sure how effective it really was, but back in time when me and the guys would hit Mammoth to ski as much as we can, we used to stay at one of the bud's parents condo and one of the things we were told not to ever forget is to leave the bathtub's faucet slightly open. It was supposed to allow the water to flow through preventing it from being static in the pipes and making it susceptible to freezing..

My complaints back then however was the water heater was not big enough to serve 7-8 dudes. You don't ever want to be the last one to wake up to hit the showers....
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: GQBlues on February 10, 2020, 04:13:47 PM
Weekends are the worst times to launch a thread. I'll be interested what Monday (USA time) will bring.

Indeed! Nat sent me a text with a link. I mean what's the chances of something like this from happening...Apparently, not only is there another couple out there who goes by the names 'Matt & Nat', they also happen to be animal lover/protection rights believers as well as shown in their website:

http://mattandnat.com/en_ca/

She asked: "Honey, when did you purchased this company, and why didn't you tell me anything about it?" LMAO!
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on February 21, 2020, 12:03:28 AM




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Not this one ^ but the company that made it is custom making two for me. The hot unit will be 65 cm wide and 125 cm long. It will be a dry unit unlike the one above that heats the trays by heating the water. As you are facing the front on the right end will be places for two round stainless steel pots for the mild and hot Texas chili.


The cold unit is 90 cm long and the same width. There will be a glass sneeze guard on both like the one above. The cold unit however will have a glass shelf where the desserts are displayed.


The units are built around a steel frame of square tubes. Then covered in sheets of stainless steel. Mine won't have colored panels.


Both should finished by next week. They are tested for two days then shipped. I will travel back to Tbilisi to pay the second half and price the cost of additional items I want custom built.


The price for both units together, is 2500 GEL ($862) and shipping is 350 GEL ($120).


I want to have them fabricate a low lying stainless steel refrigerator that has a counter top over it for food preparation. The other item needed is a stainless steel sink and stand. It would have storage underneath. If all goes well ($$$) I'll have them fabricate a stainless steel cabinet to hold the dishes et cetera. I'll hang it over the refrigerator on the back wall. I want this place to look professional, efficient and with the emphasis on cleanliness. Having a kitchen that all can see is a good idea. Recently there has been investigative reports of filthy Georgian kitchens.     


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I bought this beauty yesterday. It is extra long at 90 centimeters. Cost 1199 GEL ($413) It is a Oz product. It will be delivered today. I wanted it so I can continue with the blueprint and floor plans.


The delivery guy just called. Got to go...



Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on February 21, 2020, 03:50:13 AM



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The stove has legs so it can be moped underneathed. The hot and cold units also with legs will be before the stove and at a right angle to it. The sink and counter top is to be to the right of the stove along the brick and stone wall. The back wall will have a table height refrigerator with countertop. The cashier will be meter before the stairs.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on February 21, 2020, 04:34:23 AM



And on the overhang I'll mount these. The overhang is 210 cm wide.


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These are 206 cm. It should attract attention and spread word of mouth advertising.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on February 21, 2020, 07:05:36 AM



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View out my Tbilisi train window on the way back to Batumi
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Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on February 21, 2020, 11:37:12 PM


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View out my Tbilisi train window on the way back to Batumi
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Sitting to my right on this trip back was Israeli man named Asoff. He told me he was part of Israeli airline El-Al security. There are two stations in Georgia, Tbilisi and Batumi. We got into a conversation about the restaurant business I am working on. I learned a bit about Jewish Kosher dietary rules. Meat cannot be mixed with dairy products. So beef or chicken cannot be mixed with cheese or sour cream. The tortillas should be made with olive oil instead of butter if a Jew wanted meat on them. The vegetarian meat soy that I plan on getting from the vegetarian cafe (connected with the owner on this) is anything goes. Egg can be mixed with dairy as in breakfast burritos. And he told me Jews prefer getting their meat outside of Israel from Muslim butchers as their dietary rules, "Halum" are similar to Kosher.


A recent friend I made is a Turkish man named Mehmed. Yesterday I had lunch with him at 'The Sultan Cafe'. Mehmed is a refugee from the Erdogan regime as is the restaurant owner. This restaurant has its own butcher. Mehmed is going to arrange with the owner to be my supplier of chicken and beef. There is cut of beef used to make 'barbacoa' called skirt meat. It is just behind the front legs of the steer/cow. I am going to get some and start working on the recipe for this.


Asof told me that starting this summer there will be 18 flights a week coming from Israel. The Muslim and Jewish business is not something I want to miss.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: msmob on February 22, 2020, 02:11:44 AM
Maxx

Perhaps your 'halum' is meant to be HalaL ?

'Permissible' in Arabic .. in this case - in the context of food preparation

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halal)

BTW: LC Waikiki  - the 'billboard' you see at Tbilisi(?) railway station is one of several Turkish clothing retail chains in Georgia

Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Boethius on February 22, 2020, 02:40:53 AM
moby is correct - it's halal (permissable)  Haram is forbidden.

I don't like halal chicken.  It's missing a "zest", for lack of a better word.  I've never tried kosher chicken, but was told by a non kosher Jew the same thing - it is "missing" something in taste.

Halal butchers prepare meat by saying a prayer, then cutting the caratoid artery and jugular vein.  The animal must be alive when killed, and all blood must be drained.  Kosher killing involves cutting the esophagus, trachea, caratoid artery, and jugular vein in one motion. The animal must then be raised, its blood drained, then the blood covered with dirt.  If not all these acts are done correctly, the meat is not kosher.  Halal preparation allows animals to be stunned before slaughter.  Kosher preparation does not.

If you are advertising as a kosher kitchen, it is not enough to avoid serving dairy with meat.    Meat must be soaked prior to cooking to remove any remnants of blood    Only parts from the forequaraters can be consumed.  Even eggs if served cannot have a speck of blood.  If an egg has any blood, that egg must be discarded.  If serving fish, the fish must have fins and scales - definitely no shellfish, no catfish, no eels.

Your kitchen must also be kosher.  So, all pots and pans must never have been used to prepare non kosher foods, or touched non kosher foods.  Same with kitchen utensils, butcher blocks, plates, cups, cutlery, etc.

I suspect most Jews who will visit Georgia don't keep kosher, or at least, not strictly.  In your shoes, I'd probably not tout a kosher kitchen, and then determine later if it's worth it to add a kosher option.  Muslim visitors are another story, but other than pork and haram meats/seafood, it's not as big an issue.  No alcohol, no alcohol in foods, no vanilla extract (which could be in desserts), nothing made with animal rennet (some cheeses).

This post was composed without the aid of google.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Faux Pas on February 22, 2020, 07:23:18 AM

Sitting to my right on this trip back was Israeli man named Asoff. He told me he was part of Israeli airline El-Al security. There are two stations in Georgia, Tbilisi and Batumi. We got into a conversation about the restaurant business I am working on. I learned a bit about Jewish Kosher dietary rules. Meat cannot be mixed with dairy products. So beef or chicken cannot be mixed with cheese or sour cream. The tortillas should be made with olive oil instead of butter if a Jew wanted meat on them. The vegetarian meat soy that I plan on getting from the vegetarian cafe (connected with the owner on this) is anything goes. Egg can be mixed with dairy as in breakfast burritos. And he told me Jews prefer getting their meat outside of Israel from Muslim butchers as their dietary rules, "Halum" are similar to Kosher.



A recent friend I made is a Turkish man named Mehmed. Yesterday I had lunch with him at 'The Sultan Cafe'. Mehmed is a refugee from the Erdogan regime as is the restaurant owner. This restaurant has its own butcher. Mehmed is going to arrange with the owner to be my supplier of chicken and beef. There is cut of beef used to make 'barbacoa' called skirt meat. It is just behind the front legs of the steer/cow. I am going to get some and start working on the recipe for this.


Asof told me that starting this summer there will be 18 flights a week coming from Israel. The Muslim and Jewish business is not something I want to miss.

Forget all that shat. If you're going to to be a Mexican restaurant stick with the Mexican menu and ingredients. Personally I do not know many Jews or Muslims from Mexico, do you? If they question the kosher or halal they're probably not your customers
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: msmob on February 22, 2020, 07:46:13 AM
A geopolitical lesson for Mr Mistake is in order

Batumi is 20 minutes from the border with ... Turkey

Where does the VAST amount of fresh fruit, veg and meat products come from in Ajaria ?...  :popcorn:

Where do most day-tripper / coach-trips  come from ..?

'Thank you' ..


Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: GQBlues on February 22, 2020, 07:54:31 AM
Forget all that shat. If you're going to to be a Mexican restaurant stick with the Mexican menu and ingredients. Personally I do not know many Jews or Muslims from Mexico, do you? If they question the kosher or halal they're probably not your customers

I agree. What happens if a starving Jew walked in and you’re only serving pork burrito?
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Faux Pas on February 22, 2020, 07:58:59 AM
A geopolitical lesson for Mr Mistake is in order

Batumi is 20 minutes from the border with ... Turkey

Where does the VAST amount of fresh fruit, veg and meat products come from in Ajaria ?...  :popcorn:

Where do most day-tripper / coach-trips  come from ..?

'Thank you' ..

A halal Mexican restaurant has about as much a chance of success as ice water in hell. but given your business acumen I'm sure you had no idea.

You're welcome, moron
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: msmob on February 22, 2020, 08:36:49 AM
A halal Mexican restaurant has about as much a chance of success as ice water in hell. but given your business acumen I'm sure you had no idea.

You're welcome, moron

You have no idea of my biz acumen - save for the 'suggestions' of others ...   

When were you last in Batumi ? ... 


As approx 25-50% of any of Maxx' weekend trade are likely to be Halal favouring clients - it's not such a bad idea for Maxx to cover all bases




Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on February 22, 2020, 08:43:23 AM

I suspect most Jews who will visit Georgia don't keep kosher, or at least, not strictly.  In your shoes, I'd probably not tout a kosher kitchen,


I'll let Asoff guide me in this.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Boethius on February 22, 2020, 11:16:56 AM

I'll let Asoff guide me in this.

Ask him if you need a Jew to turn on the stoves.

Food cooked by a non Jew is called "bishul akum" and is not considered kosher.

http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Local-rabbinate-checking-Jewishness-of-restaurant-employees-513650 (http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Local-rabbinate-checking-Jewishness-of-restaurant-employees-513650)

This post was composed with the aid of google in locating a (previously read) article.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: ML on February 22, 2020, 12:30:17 PM
It's pretty funny observing the eating habits of college kids here in USA from various parts of the world.
i.e. Those from India start out avoiding beef . . . but after awhile, many are eating hamburgers at picnics.
i.e. Those from Arab countries start out avoiding pork . . . but after awhile, many are eating sausage biscuits at McDonalds, and sausage pizzas.

We have had several picnics at our house for math faculty which has several Jewish professors.
I tell them the hot dogs are all beef.
They mostly reply with a smile . . . I don't care.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: BillyB on February 22, 2020, 08:40:58 PM

I think Maxx can handle saying a prayer and slitting the throats of live animals before preparing them for a tasty meal. Reminds me of this Three Stooges restaurant scene involving a cat and dog which aren't made of pork.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtDTSe7BRJs
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on February 22, 2020, 10:34:03 PM

I suspect most Jews who will visit Georgia don't keep kosher, or at least, not strictly.  In your shoes, I'd probably not tout a kosher kitchen,


Stating our meats, chicken and beef, come from the The Sultan Cafe and state our vegetarian meat comes from the Vegetarian Cafe would be enough. I doubt I would get any business from strict Orthodox Jews and Muslims. I don't know how the former eat at all when they are abroad? I have seen a few Hasadic Jews but they are a rare site here. I've seen many more Muslims women wearing a black Hijab with eye slits. Their men are usually in tee shirts, shorts, baseball caps and sneakers.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: BillyB on February 22, 2020, 11:30:16 PM
state our vegetarian meat comes from the Vegetarian Cafe would be enough.


If you do advertise vegetarian meals, make sure the vegetarian meats do not share the same knife, pan, and plates with real meat. Do you know how to slit the throat of a cucumber so it'll qualify as Kosher and Halal?
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on February 23, 2020, 12:03:52 AM
If you do advertise vegetarian meals, make sure the vegetarian meats do not share the same knife, pan, and plates with real meat. Do you know how to slit the throat of a cucumber so it'll qualify as Kosher and Halal?


Ilona was vegan however she would taste the meat for taste and she would eat fish. What I am saying is not everyone is a purist when it comes to eating. I am getting the impression it is that way for most.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: BillyB on February 23, 2020, 12:22:39 AM

Ilona was vegan however she would taste the meat for taste and she would eat fish. What I am saying is not everyone is a purist when it comes to eating. I am getting the impression it is that way for most.

Best to avoid cross contamination and if you advertise certain foods to a group of people, assume one or more are purists. Some people don't eat gluten because they think it's bad for them. Some people don't eat gluten because it is bad for them and it'll put them in the hospital. So if a customer says he wants gluten free meals with corn tortillas, not flour tortillas, you must have your employees prepare the meal with new gloves or have their hands washed prior to preparing the meal. There will be contamination of gluten if the food preparer touches a flour tortilla and then a corn tortilla needed for the gluten free customer.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Hammer2722 on February 25, 2020, 07:35:21 PM
Forget all that shat. If you're going to to be a Mexican restaurant stick with the Mexican menu and ingredients. Personally I do not know many Jews or Muslims from Mexico, do you? If they question the kosher or halal they're probably not your customers
Absolutely agree with this. You are not gonna be able to please everyone. You will make it extremely hard on yourself trying...
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on February 28, 2020, 05:02:43 AM
You are not gonna be able to please everyone.


I absolutely agree. My plan is offer food that the less dietary strict will accept. No pork in the restaurant. Vegetarian meat option. Vegetarian (soy) sour creme. Vegetarian cheese. And make the tortillas with olive oil.   
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on February 28, 2020, 05:37:22 AM



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In Tbilisi I am having custom built Chipotle style cold and hot units. They are going to be covered in stainless steel. Also being custom built and covered in stainless, sink, refrigerator, stove guard and cash and tray counter.


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The business that built the unit above are building mine.


The hot and cold unit is 210 centimeters long. Cost of the both of them together is 2500 GEL ($877)
The refrigerator, sink, stove guard and cash register counter is together 2800 GEL ($982)


I am also going to get a vent for the stove, probably made from stainless steel. Labor costs for installation, plumber electrician, painter, carpenter etc. I am told is very inexpensive.




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Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on February 28, 2020, 06:04:55 AM



My current plan is find a cook who will do mostly food preparation. I would like her to come in a 6 AM and work till 10 PM. This would be good for her as she would have time for another job. Most Georgian businesses open at 10 AM. The pay I would offer be 30 GEL ($10.52) a day. By Georgian standards that is pretty good pay.


I'll also need 2 women to make the custom made burritos, tacos and taco salads. To stand behind the counter and communicate with the customers. I have 5000 paper sample cups and small plastic taste testing spoons.


Out the back door there is an area for the delivery drivers.


When I visited the American Chamber of Commerce last September I was told this place gets much business.


http://www.tripadvisor.com/Restaurant_Review-g294195-d8054622-Reviews-Fire_Wok-Tbilisi.html


When I walked over and checked them out there was 4 Glovo delivery drivers on scooters waiting to deliver orders. The three main delivery services is Glovo, Wolt and Menu.ge They have webpages in Georgian, Russian and English advertising various restaurants offerings. The cost for delivery is paid by the customer. It costs $3 GEL($1.05) per delivery. I usually tip them 2 GEL (70 cents) which makes most of them happy.


http://www.menu.ge/batumi/delivery/home.html


 
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: msmob on February 28, 2020, 06:20:45 AM
Maxx,

Tbilisi is DEAD re tourism and the Hard Rock Cafe has closed since December.

We have seen 2 Russian cars in 4 days.

I believe you are going to need the weekend and local trade.

Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on February 28, 2020, 07:19:37 AM
I have been living in Georgia since November 2015. I've experienced 5 off seasons and 4 tourist seasons. Whether something DEAD now doesn't mean it will stay that way.

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This photo I took a few days ago. It is the beach of Goneo several kilometers south of Batumi. In tourist season it is swarming with tourists, now not.


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Oh, and the Hard Rock Cafe is scheduled to reopen come tourist season Aprl-May to September-October
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: BillyB on February 28, 2020, 10:12:49 AM
We have seen 2 Russian cars in 4 days.


I have been living in Georgia since November 2015. I've experienced 5 off seasons and 4 tourist seasons. Whether something DEAD now doesn't mean it will stay that way.


One guy lived in Georgia for 5 years. The other guy seen 2 Russian cars in 4 days. Who to trust?

Maxx, rent is cheap and you'll be living upstairs above the restaurant. You'll be fine even during slow periods.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: ML on February 28, 2020, 10:30:11 AM


My current plan is find a cook who will do mostly food preparation. I would like her to come in a 6 AM and work till 10 PM. This would be good for her as she would have time for another job.

Wow, a 16 hour a day job !!

But yes, there would still be time from 10 PM to 6 AM next morning for another job.

Sleep would be optional.

Just joking Max; I knew you meant 10 AM.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on February 28, 2020, 11:45:10 AM
Wow, a 16 hour a day job !!

But yes, there would still be time from 10 PM to 6 AM next morning for another job.

Sleep would be optional.

Just joking Max; I knew you meant 10 AM.


I can be cruel and over work them when I want to!  :exploding: It was a typo. I meant say until 10 AM, not PM. I know you know that.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: msmob on February 28, 2020, 12:03:11 PM
One guy lived in Georgia for 5 years. The other guy seen 2 Russian cars in 4 days. Who to trust?

The other guy has seen 2 Russian cards in  4 days . - Please write in ENGLISH  !

'The other guy' has been coming here for just over a year - but could already converse via Russian ....  enabling 'him' to chat with locals about how 'easy' things are at the moment ... economically speaking (

The 'other' guy started a GE entity, first, knew about tax implications and even got married here ;)

A year ago - one could walk down the main street and see RU families every 10m and the best restaurants had to be booked ...


In the last two days we've walked from Rustaveli to Liberty Square ( busiest main street ) and seen less than 10 Russians ...   We are a party of four and two are Russian ..last year one third of the people on the street were RU tourists ..   Russian plated cars were 1 in 20 cars ..













 















I REALLY do wish Maxx the best of luck  and will be DELIGHTED ( for him) when he is successful ..

If it wasn't for him ( Maxx )  giving ME the idea of GE - we probably wouldn't  have thought of making a biz here...  having meetings here, etc.


I was a fan of GE cuisine, wines and Chacha 16 years ago, BillyB ..when I fist tasted Kharcho soup, Khatchapuri and drank Kindzmarauli

Now then,  Silly Billy  - off you run and check the veracity of my 'claim' .... 














Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: GQBlues on February 28, 2020, 12:04:14 PM

I absolutely agree. My plan is offer food that the less dietary strict will accept. No pork in the restaurant. Vegetarian meat option. Vegetarian (soy) sour creme. Vegetarian cheese. And make the tortillas with olive oil.

LMAO! The antithesis of anything that is Mexican food. This is starting to remind me of my wife's impression of what 'authentic Mexican food' is that she had in St Petersburg.

Here, I was going to say best you serve menudo (pancita). Nothing more 'Mexican' than that.

Anyway, have fun with the process and good luck, maxx!
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: BillyB on February 28, 2020, 01:31:48 PM

Maxx, if you do want to offer other types of foods for those who have dietary restrictions, at least offer authentic Mexican food for the majority of your customers who'd want it.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on February 28, 2020, 02:57:58 PM
LMAO! The antithesis of anything that is Mexican food. This is starting to remind me of my wife's impression of what 'authentic Mexican food' is that she had in St Petersburg.

Here, I was going to say best you serve menudo (pancita). Nothing more 'Mexican' than that.

Anyway, have fun with the process and good luck, maxx!


You and Moby have wished me not well. You've taken your stand. I will post my my profits.. or not...  at the end of tourist season, 
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on February 28, 2020, 03:00:47 PM

I REALLY do wish Maxx the best of luck and will be DELIGHTED ( for him) when he is successful ..



Totally B.S. Moby does not understand himself.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on February 28, 2020, 03:09:06 PM
Maxx, if you do want to offer other types of foods for those who have dietary restrictions, at least offer authentic Mexican food for the majority of your customers who'd want it.


As was pointed out to me by Ilona, Georgians don't know or value "authentic Mexican  food." Close enough will work just fine.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: GQBlues on February 28, 2020, 03:16:53 PM

You and Moby have wished me not well. You've taken your stand. I will post my my profits.. or not...  at the end of tourist season,

??? Now why would *I* not want to see you succeed? But suit yourself man...
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on February 28, 2020, 03:29:06 PM
??? Now would *I* not want to see you succeed? But suit yourself man...


You've stated repeatedly I cannot succeed. How un-American is that? Where is your American 'can-do attitude?' 
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: GQBlues on February 28, 2020, 06:54:51 PM
Either quote me, or best understand what I actually said dude. I did commented on your silly remark that you’re doing this to hopefully lure a woman to be your partner, paraphrased of course. If so, I think that’s just stupid all things considered. I told you to just put your energy in meeting that someone instead of going about it this way. Your priorities are totally out of whack.

Look what you’ve done so far, worked with an Indian to show you the way to make Mexican food. Now he’s gone and you end up working with a young mother of two to help you, but you get emotionally involved with her instead. Now you hook up with a Jew and a Muslim for lunch and, literally, you instantly scrap the whole education you learned in how to make authentic Mexican food! Out the window!

What or which of these chapters did you want people to wish you luck with, dude!?

Maxx, tbh, I don’t give a rats arse whether you win, lose or draw. You’re far too emotional for your own good sometimes. It’s a f***king message board, dude. I’m done wishing the best for you, for what, the last 15-17 years?
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: BillyB on February 28, 2020, 07:40:52 PM

As was pointed out to me by Ilona, Georgians don't know or value "authentic Mexican  food." Close enough will work just fine.

Ilona is in her mid 20's. People her age think Taco Bell quality is good enough. Decorate your restaurant appropriately, give it character and it'll give your customers a special experience and memories. Perfect your cooking and you'll have people advertise by word of mouth to increase your chances of success.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: msmob on February 28, 2020, 07:51:33 PM

You and Moby have wished me not well. You've taken your stand. I will post my my profits.. or not...  at the end of tourist season,

A prime example of Maxx 'rewriting' an event   /  believing he 'knew' what folk meant .. !

I keep wishing you well...

 I am saying you are trying this at a VERY  difficult time - when even popular restaurant franchises are failing
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: ML on February 29, 2020, 03:45:51 PM
Max, perhaps you could just buy a franchise for the popular Russian restaurant chain.
Located on practically every street in Russia.

It's name is PECTOPAH.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on March 06, 2020, 12:14:16 AM


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Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on March 06, 2020, 12:41:14 PM
Maxx, rent is cheap and you'll be living upstairs above the restaurant. You'll be fine even during slow periods.


Today I had my rental agreement in Georgian being translated into English. Should be done Monday


Tomorrow Saturday I am going to talk with my business landlord. I am concerned about the coronavirus killing tourism in Batumi. I'll try and get him to agree that the rent can be cut in event things go dead. But I don't know what would be considered dead. Fine time to start a business dependent upon tourism when a global pandemic is sweeping the world. I may have to sleep up in the loft. There is a functional bathtub in my storage room...
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on March 14, 2020, 11:57:50 PM
Thursday I went by train to Tbilisi. Went by business class. Very nice. I noticed First class and business class were about 80% empty.


Friday I went to Armenia to do my once a year border crossing. Everyone at custom control was wearing masks. When entering back in they took my temperature 3 times.


Saturday the borders to Azerbaijan and Armenia were closed due to the coronavirus . They are to remain closed until the 24th of March. Goods from trucks are allowed to cross.


My restaurant equipment is really shaping up. I should have it on tomorrow Monday or maybe Tuesday. I'll open as in get my business license when I see enough tourists on the streets. In the meantime I'll work on getting the place looking as clean and efficient as possible. My restuarant equipment inspires confidence in the cleanliness of the place. Workers wearing masks and gloves. I imagine people are going to want to get out of this coronavirus lock down mode and do something fun. I'll see.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on March 15, 2020, 07:24:24 AM
http://georgiatoday.ge/news/19922/Georgia-Azerbaijan%2C-Georgia-Armenia-Borders-to-be-Closed-until-March-24
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: msmob on March 15, 2020, 09:23:42 AM
Info in Eng re Virus updates in GE

http://stopcov.ge/en (http://stopcov.ge/en)

Flights to GE from UK still working !
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: BillyB on March 15, 2020, 12:53:19 PM
I'll open as in get my business license when I see enough tourists on the streets.


Maxx, this virus thing isn't going to end in a few months. It will probably last years like SARS and MERS before we get full control over it. You need to make a decision to quit buying restaurant equipment and pause the business or open soon knowing tourists may not be showing up in large numbers anytime soon. Also consider the government may close your business temporarily and occasionally to keep people from gathering.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on March 15, 2020, 10:55:33 PM
Maxx, this virus thing isn't going to end in a few months. It will probably last years like SARS and MERS before we get full control over it. You need to make a decision to quit buying restaurant equipment and pause the business or open soon knowing tourists may not be showing up in large numbers anytime soon. Also consider the government may close your business temporarily and occasionally to keep people from gathering.


I am preparing to convert the business location into living quarters. I have only $666 (2000 GEL @ 3-USD) in equipment to purchase, the final payment. This amount includes delivery and set up.


My monthly rent is $500. Once I get a business license I have to pay another $100 (20%) to the Revenue Department for a rent tax. Why do this if tourism is dead? The coronavirus is an unknown. Even my Georgian business landlord had to cancel his plans of leaving to Canada to join his Georgian wife there. He is leaving tomorrow instead of next month. He understands Turkish airlines are stopping all flights this Thursday. These are crazy times! Frankly I am scared.


Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on March 19, 2020, 04:48:09 AM



Things are really getting crazy out there! I have heard only one flight take off from the Batumi airport in the last 4 days. All restaurants, schools, bars and gymnasiums are shut down. Even the jewelry store next door is closed. The banks have suspended mortgage payments for their clients. The gymnasium I go to doesn't have to make a payment for 3 months. Today I seen the police in a grocery store supervising the disinfecting of the store. Metro City parking lot is 95% empty. The restaurant and casino is shut down so that giant TV screen is off. There are no tourists. They all went home. No mini buses are running. Very little traffic. All the borders are closed. I just called Khatuna my lawyer and she told me the notary is closed. It might open on Monday, but she is not sure. The banks are open though. My restaurant equipment is on its way. It should be here in a few hours.

My current plan is get my restaurant equipment set up. The venting, plumbing and electrical. I am getting the loft upstairs turned into a lounge/bedroom. I got a bathroom with a bath so I am set there. I won't register the business until I see tourism return. In the meantime I might hire the woman who works next door to help me fine tune this business. She is not getting paid and I know her pay and it is easily affordable for me (less that $200 a month).

40 cases of coronavirus in Georgia.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 19, 2020, 01:19:38 PM
Maxx, I would definitely negotiate a reduction in the rent. Trade is expected to be slow to non existent and many other restaurants might go out of business along with other businesses. So big supply of premises before too long but little demand. Those locals without the sort of financial backing you have got won't want to risk it. Handled right though you could end up well placed when the eventual revival comes along.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: BillyB on March 19, 2020, 06:25:32 PM
Maxx, if you open up the restaurant, always keep it clean, offer hand sanitizer at the front door and most importantly, get an anti theft toilet paper dispenser.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on March 20, 2020, 01:03:39 AM
Maxx, I would definitely negotiate a reduction in the rent. Trade is expected to be slow to non existent and many other restaurants might go out of business along with other businesses. So big supply of premises before too long but little demand. Those locals without the sort of financial backing you have got won't want to risk it. Handled right though you could end up well placed when the eventual revival comes along.


My landlord, a Georgian man, is with his Georgian wife in Montreal Canada. They have agreed to cut my business rent to $300 a month (from $500) for the months of April and May. They cut it to zero if I didn't live there. But I will live there. So it is what I now pay to my other landlord. I'll be leaving his place at the end of this month. He is not happy about that. EVERYONE here needs money!


Last night my custom made restaurant equipment came. I got a few other things they are going to build to get everything looking perfect. Small low cost stuff. I will take some photos of what I got so far and post it here. The plumber and electrician should be at my place in a few hours.


My future employee Khatuna is in self quarantine for 2 weeks. Hopefully after that we can start cooking and develop our recipes with photos et cetera for the menu. So we are living in interesting times!


 
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on March 20, 2020, 01:25:30 AM

Double post
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on March 20, 2020, 01:27:21 AM

If you can keep your head when all about you   

    Are losing theirs and blaming it on you,   

If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,

    But make allowance for their doubting too;   

If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,

    Or being lied about, don’t deal in lies,

Or being hated, don’t give way to hating,

    And yet don’t look too good, nor talk too wise:



If you can dream—and not make dreams your master;   

    If you can think—and not make thoughts your aim;   

If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster

    And treat those two impostors just the same;   

If you can bear to hear the truth you’ve spoken

    Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,

Or watch the things you gave your life to, broken,

    And stoop and build ’em up with worn-out tools:



If you can make one heap of all your winnings

    And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss,

And lose, and start again at your beginnings

    And never breathe a word about your loss;

If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew

    To serve your turn long after they are gone,   

And so hold on when there is nothing in you

    Except the Will which says to them: ‘Hold on!’



If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,   

    Or walk with Kings—nor lose the common touch,

If neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you,

    If all men count with you, but none too much;

If you can fill the unforgiving minute

    With sixty seconds’ worth of distance run,   

Yours is the Earth and everything that’s in it,   

    And—which is more—you’ll be a Man, my son!




~ Rudyard Kipling
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: msmob on March 20, 2020, 03:41:15 AM

My landlord, a Georgian man, is with his Georgian wife in Montreal Canada. They have agreed to cut my business rent to $300 a month (from $500) for the months of April and May. They cut it to zero if I didn't live there. But I will live there. So it is what I now pay to my other landlord. I'll be leaving his place at the end of this month. He is not happy about that. EVERYONE here needs money!


Last night my custom made restaurant equipment came. I got a few other things they are going to build to get everything looking perfect. Small low cost stuff. I will take some photos of what I got so far and post it here. The plumber and electrician should be at my place in a few hours.


My future employee Khatuna is in self quarantine for 2 weeks. Hopefully after that we can start cooking and develop our recipes with photos et cetera for the menu. So we are living in interesting times!


Maxx, NO-ONE could have predicted this 's*itstorm' and I am truly sorry that your venture has encountered a unique set of circumstances .

I think your former 'to be' landlord will come around, in time .. 

A lot of people are just waking up to what this means


Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on March 20, 2020, 04:26:15 AM

Maxx, NO-ONE could have predicted this 's*itstorm' and I am truly sorry that your venture has encountered a unique set of circumstances .

I think your former 'to be' landlord will come around, in time .. 

A lot of people are just waking up to what this means


It was laughing today when one of my business neighbors was concerned about the noise a kitchen vent pipe might make.


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Alex managed to cool her down with reassurances that there wouldn't be any noise.


All the plumbing and electrical supply stores are closed. Today was the official day of the start of the shutdown. But people still need to make money. My plumbers/electrician are at my business now hooking up things. I got my equipment last night. 


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Title: Up to 47 cases here in the Republic of Georgia
Post by: Maxx2 on March 21, 2020, 12:16:41 AM
Up to 47 cases here in the Republic of Georgia


http://georgiatoday.ge/news/20064/Number-of-Coronavirus-Cases-Rises-to-47
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on March 22, 2020, 02:53:52 AM
My landlord and his daughter Irma "Ear-ma" stopped by. They want me to stay at their (my) apartment for $200 a month. It was $350 a month and then they lowered it to $300 a month several months ago. Now it is $200 a month. My utilities including the internet is about $50 a month. With the economy contracting I expect prices on everything will drop. I probably could get a luxury apartment along the Sea for $100 a month. People here are desperate for money. The biggest fear I have is the breakdown of civilization. Riots and starvation of millions. At least in Georgia there is plenty of access to food and the Georgian people are kind and caring to each other. 
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: msmob on March 22, 2020, 03:02:46 AM
Dear Maxx,

What a dilemma...

Your 'old' landlord has access to many foodie delights..)

I do not see Georgians being so bad..

I would rather have left my car left unlocked there than in the west.

I note the govt. declared a state of emergency, yesterday... I have a GE sim in my phone and get frequent messages.

Keep us updated.

Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on March 22, 2020, 04:05:23 AM
Dear Maxx,

What a dilemma...

Your 'old' landlord has accessto many foodie delights..)

I do not see Georgians beening so bad..

I would rather have left my car left unlocked there than in the west.

I note the govt. declared a state of emergency, yesterday... I have a GE sim in my phone and get frequent messages.

Keep us updated.


Will do. 


A message from my daughter. She works the graveyard shift at Honeywell

Quote
Yes, that is a good time [to call]. I’ll be at work... they have been sending us home because our parts we need come from Ohio and for some reason they haven’t been delivering them and when they do they only last one day and then we are out for two-three days. If i’m driving all the way to work tomorrow for them ask me to leave... i will say no (i have the right to do that but if there is no work it’s really awful to sit there with nothing to do for 8hrs especially on 3rd shift because you have to fight not to fall asleep) but i need the money so i’ll be there no matter what... so the call will help.


My other daughter who works in a restaurant is out of work because all restaurants are closed in America as they are all here.
Title: I met this woman....
Post by: Maxx2 on March 22, 2020, 04:18:08 AM



Her name is Khatuna. She is 43 years old. She likes me! Very good looking! Never married and no children. Lives with her father, mother and sister. Unfortunately she is in self quarantine, as I am also. 
Title: Re: Up to 47 cases here in the Republic of Georgia
Post by: Maxx2 on March 22, 2020, 04:21:33 AM
Up to 47 cases here in the Republic of Georgia


http://georgiatoday.ge/news/20064/Number-of-Coronavirus-Cases-Rises-to-47 (http://georgiatoday.ge/news/20064/Number-of-Coronavirus-Cases-Rises-to-47)


54 as of today


http://georgiatoday.ge/news/20090/Coronavirus-Cases-Increase-to-54-in-Georgia
Title: Re: I met this woman....
Post by: BillyB on March 22, 2020, 07:43:17 AM


Her name is Khatuna. She is 43 years old. She likes me! Very good looking! Never married and no children. Lives with her father, mother and sister. Unfortunately she is in self quarantine, as I am also.


How did you both meet if you're both in self quarantine? Tell her your restaurant serves virus free meals and invite her over on a date.
Title: Re: Up to 47 cases here in the Republic of Georgia
Post by: Maxx2 on March 23, 2020, 06:14:54 AM

54 as of today


http://georgiatoday.ge/news/20090/Coronavirus-Cases-Increase-to-54-in-Georgia (http://georgiatoday.ge/news/20090/Coronavirus-Cases-Increase-to-54-in-Georgia)


Decreased by 5 cases as of today. I heard two people tell me the lock down is to April 21
Title: Re: I met this woman....
Post by: Maxx2 on March 23, 2020, 06:16:09 AM

How did you both meet if you're both in self quarantine? Tell her your restaurant serves virus free meals and invite her over on a date.


We met before the quarantine.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: msmob on March 23, 2020, 06:35:46 AM




Maxx

This site is ( sort of ) in English and might help you

http://stopcov.ge/ (http://stopcov.ge/)

For those involved in food

http://stopcov.ge/Content/files/The-National-Food-Agency%e2%80%99s-Recommen-ations-on-Novel-Coronavirus-(COVID-19)-for%20Foodservice%20Operators.pdf][url]http://stopcov.ge/Content/files/The-National-Food-Agency%e2%80%99s-Recommen-ations-on-Novel-Coronavirus-(COVID-19)-for%20Foodservice%20Operators.pdf (http://[url)[/url]


You'll be getting sms from the govt, but I suspect you'll not understand them ((

I'm sure Alex can help


Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on March 23, 2020, 07:52:38 PM
Up to 61 cases. 8 Georgians have recovered so far.


http://georgiatoday.ge/news/20133/Number-of-Coronavirus-Cases-Rises-to-61


Talked with my daughter today. It is her 40th birthday. She is out of work until ... when?  Everyone is suffering anxiety and uncertainty about the future.


Georgia is in lock down until the 21st of April and maybe longer.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on March 23, 2020, 08:22:57 PM



Maxx


I'm sure Alex can help


If you mean Jones, well I agree! One of my proudest moments of being a father was reading my daughter's FB  page saying Jones was her dream man.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: msmob on March 23, 2020, 10:14:35 PM
If I read the same of my kids,  I'd shoot myself ;)

Despite not having any influence over their teenage years, I'm pleased they hate Brexit and will ensure the wrinklies  madness is overturned, soonest !

Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on March 24, 2020, 01:36:29 AM
The total number of persons infected with coronavirus has increased to 66 in Georgia. The information has been posted on the special website created by the government, stopcov.ge.
3320 people are in quarantine and 235 are undergoing inpatient care.
9 out of 66 people have recovered from COVID-19.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on March 24, 2020, 03:17:44 AM
For a while the internet stopped working in Batumi. Immediately I assumed the end of the world happened...  :P
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on March 24, 2020, 10:38:45 PM
The total number of persons infected with coronavirus has increased to 66 in Georgia. The information has been posted on the special website created by the government, stopcov.ge.
3320 people are in quarantine and 235 are undergoing inpatient care.
9 out of 66 people have recovered from COVID-19.


http://georgiatoday.ge/news/20167/Coronavirus-Cases-Rise-to-70-in-Georgia (http://georgiatoday.ge/news/20167/Coronavirus-Cases-Rise-to-70-in-Georgia)


The number of confirmed coronavirus cases has reached 70 in Georgia. Of these patients, 9 have already recovered. At the time of writing, there are 4055 people in quarantine while 252 patients are stationary, under medical supervision.The coronavirus cases trebled today. Due to the fear of the spread of the COVID-19, Georgia has declared a state of emergency. Because of the domestic transmission of the illness, quarantine has been declared in the municipalities of Marneuli and Bolnisi.By Nini Dakhundaridze 
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on March 24, 2020, 11:37:20 PM
Ilona and I are back in contact again. She and I send each other WhatsApp messages. She said that she fears people will take all the money out of the banks. I messaged her back and told her that was known as a "run on the bank."
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Boethius on March 25, 2020, 07:08:29 AM
Don't give her any money, if she asks.


Stay healthy!


This post was composed without the aid of google.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: BillyB on March 25, 2020, 07:27:13 AM
she fears people will take all the money out of the banks.


I fear people will take all the money out of Maxx. In times of crisis, people will get desperate and exploit others. You're a nice guy Maxx. Keep your distance from people you know you can't trust.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: msmob on March 25, 2020, 08:17:25 AM
Don't give her any money, if she asks.


Stay healthy!




Quite ...


Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on March 25, 2020, 10:14:24 AM
Don't give her any money, if she asks.


Stay healthy!


This post was composed without the aid of google.


She didn't ask but I gave her $50 USD. Everyday the dollar is climbing fast against the GEL Last I checked it went from about a week ago at 2.75 GEL to the USD to today 3.55 GEL to the USD. Tomorrow or next week it could be 4 GEL to the USD. The Russia ruble, OMG!!!!


I know it could be a play for sympathy but Ilona told me her husband took her kids away and took her cell phone. He wants her back. Moby knows about my not-so-nice laptop. Anyway I gave it to her.


I fortunately stocked up on nutritional supplies. The two best things to take for this virus is vitamin C and Zinc. Please lay your hands on these two important products! Best natural form of vitamin C comes from sauerkraut. A cup of cabbage 30 milligrams of vitamin C. A cup of sauerkraut, 700 milligrams of vitamin C and it is excellent for the gut health. Vitamin C the synthetic kind is made from sulfuric acid and corn starch. It does not absorb well and taking too much as in mega-dosing can actually cause a vitamin C diffiency (sp) 



Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: msmob on March 25, 2020, 10:22:03 AM



I fortunately stocked up on nutritional supplies. The two best things to take for this virus is vitamin C and Zinc. Please lay your hands on these two important products! Best natural form of vitamin C comes from sauerkraut. A cup of cabbage 30 milligrams of vitamin C. A cup of sauerkraut, 700 milligrams of vitamin C and it is excellent for the gut health. Vitamin C the synthetic kind is made from sulfuric acid and corn starch. It does not absorb well and taking too much as in mega-dosing can actually cause a vitamin C diffiency (sp)

Your generous gifts to someone possibly unworthy of your kindness - according to you - put you at more risk than any perceived health benefits from vitamins (

Isolate ....  this is about your health

Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on March 25, 2020, 10:29:18 AM
I fear people will take all the money out of Maxx. In times of crisis, people will get desperate and exploit others. You're a nice guy Maxx. Keep your distance from people you know you can't trust.


I appreciate your kind words.


I had a very bad experience from my Russian ex-wife from 17 years ago. I seen some shockingly desperate things people will do if they feel their life could become difficult (Green card issues et cetera). But I also know I need a support network here. I do no one good if I go bankrupt. But I will help those who can help me.


I had a upper front tooth fall out. The root is cracked my dentist in Tbilisi told me. So I will need to get an implant. I think that will set me back about $300-$400. Back in 2014 I was quoted $5000 by my American dentist. Tomorrow Alex my Russian friend is taking me to a dentist for an examination
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: krimster2 on March 25, 2020, 10:36:58 AM
literally, the most virus contaminated thing you can touch right now is currency....

if you have to touch currency, wear gloves deposit it in a plastic bag

some poor bastard is going to do a PHD in economics on "The Velocity of Money During a Pandemic"
I'm sure....

I sure wish I was gonna be alive after the vaccine came out!!!!
it'll be ten times the party hour as the roaring 20s...
almost for sure, if Corona gets a vaccine, then everything else will as well
HIV, Flu....

World War V

V is for Virus

which side will be victorious
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on March 25, 2020, 10:45:42 AM
literally, the most virus contaminated thing you can touch right now is currency....

if you have to touch currency, wear gloves deposit it in a plastic bag


Thanks Krimster and Moby. I am of the belief in these dramatic times everyone who has had political difference will pull together. It reminds of the Battle of Britain and the V1 and V2 rocket attacks.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on March 25, 2020, 10:56:03 AM
It is up to 73 cases in Georgia




http://georgiatoday.ge/news/20171/Coronavirus-Cases-Rise-to-73-in-Georgia


But last I heard 10 people have recovered. Three Georgian citizens have died, but they lived in Spain. Zero deaths so far in Georgia.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: krimster2 on March 25, 2020, 11:16:04 AM
those damned V-2s, you didn't hear 'em till AFTER they landed!!!
at least with the V-1, when the "farting" sound stopped, you had a little warning before the boom!
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on March 25, 2020, 11:00:44 PM
Metro-City, usually there are hundreds if not thousands of cars in the parking lot.

(http://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49699759651_7cdc6a3d3e_b.jpg)



Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on March 25, 2020, 11:06:53 PM

http://georgiatoday.ge/news/20167/Coronavirus-Cases-Rise-to-70-in-Georgia (http://georgiatoday.ge/news/20167/Coronavirus-Cases-Rise-to-70-in-Georgia)


The number of confirmed coronavirus cases has reached 70 in Georgia. Of these patients, 9 have already recovered. At the time of writing, there are 4055 people in quarantine while 252 patients are stationary, under medical supervision.The coronavirus cases trebled today. Due to the fear of the spread of the COVID-19, Georgia has declared a state of emergency. Because of the domestic transmission of the illness, quarantine has been declared in the municipalities of Marneuli and Bolnisi.By Nini Dakhundaridze 


http://georgiatoday.ge/news/20196/Number-of-Coronavirus-Cases-Increases-to-75- (http://georgiatoday.ge/news/20196/Number-of-Coronavirus-Cases-Increases-to-75-)


Number of Coronavirus Cases Increases to 75
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The total number of persons infected with coronavirus has increased to 75 in Georgia. The information has been posted on the special website created by the government, stopcov.ge.
4055 people are in quarantine and 255 are under examination in hospitals.
10 out of 75 people have recovered from COVID-19.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on March 25, 2020, 11:41:23 PM
Moby knows about my not-so-nice laptop. Anyway I gave it to her [Ilona].


I will be meeting her in an hour and a half. I have the battery charger for the laptop that I gave her. Today the plumber/electricians are going to do some equipment hookups. I am going to ask Ilona to do some straightening of my things up. I've give her 20 GEL ($5.62). She lives across the street. Alex is going to take me to the dentist and see about my tooth. Nice that the President and Congress did the stimulus package. I should be getting about $1200 directed deposited into my bank account. I think when people are allowed to go back to work in the US, Georgia will follow suite.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on March 26, 2020, 12:36:20 AM
Carl Hartzell: I Can't Think of Better Place to be Right Now than Here in Georgia
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I cannot think of a better place to be right now than here in Georgia, EU Ambassador Carl Hartzell said in his video address, congratulating Georgia on its effective COVID-19 response and urging everyone to take care of each other.
„I am reporting from home. It is an unprecedented time for Georgia and for the rest of the World. Due to the coronavirus pandemic the world has turned upside down,” the EU Ambassador said. “In this context, I would like to congratulate the Georgian government and the politicians for acting early and robustly,” he noted.
“I would like to applaud the population of Georgia for supporting these measures and for acting responsibly in order to stop the spread of this virus. I would like to use this opportunity and express my admiration for the medical professionals, for doctors and nurses for law enforcers, border guards and others for working tirelessly in theses days for safety and security of everyone here. This crisis is not only a health crisis but also a tremendous economic challenge. I am proud to be working alongside other international partners under the leadership of the Georgian government to properly assess the needs and set out the way ahead. The European Union stands with Georgia. The EU is Georgia’s largest donor and the strongest partner and we will remain that. In addition, we are looking at special measures to help the economy, business and the most vulnerable groups of the society. This will be a long process, no doubt, but we will be in this together. This is the time to take care of each other. As for me, personally, I cannot think of a better place to be right now than here in Georgia. Take care, stayed committed, “Carl Hartzell said.
By Ana Dumbadze
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: msmob on March 26, 2020, 12:48:47 AM
Good morning, Maxx !

The EU Ambassador is self-isolating ...

YOU are still having guests, be it workers or otherwise ...   I'm not sure you've got the concept of 'staying at home saving lives'  ..

That doesn't mean YOU stay at home and everyone comes to you ;)

Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on March 26, 2020, 05:43:00 AM
Good morning, Maxx !

The EU Ambassador is self-isolating ...

YOU are still having guests, be it workers or otherwise ...   I'm not sure you've got the concept of 'staying at home saving lives'  ..

That doesn't mean YOU stay at home and everyone comes to you ;)


Ilona did a good job in straightening and organizing my things. I gave her 20 GEL. My workman Grant was there installing the electrical, plumbing and venting. The hardware stores are "closed", but not really. Call them on the phone and they bring out to you what you ask for. So as they say here "take away" service is still available.


At 3:08 PM I entered the McDonald's drive through. I got my Big Texas burger at 3:18. There were a lot cars ahead of me. People are eager to get back to making and spending money.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on March 26, 2020, 11:57:56 PM



http://georgiatoday.ge/news/20230/-Number-of-Coronavirus-Cases-Increases-to-81.


11 people have recovered from it.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on March 27, 2020, 07:19:18 AM
Hi Moby


Ilona cleaned my place today. She told me she was able to pay the rent for the next month with the help of a friend. And I am helping her with food. She does not ask me for money and is still hanging on to the $50 bill I gave her. From the people I've come in contact with everyone here is especially kind to one another. I think everyone knows it is time put down differences and realize what is important and what is not.




I am going to post this on the coronavirus and business in Georgia threads. 


Take care
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on March 27, 2020, 07:59:03 AM

I know it could be a play for sympathy but Ilona told me her husband took her kids away and took her cell phone. He wants her back.



This morning I met Ilona. She had gotten her phone back. Her ex-husband gave it to her and then asked her for their childrens' passports. She said she didn't have them in the house. Unfortunately he had wiped her phone before giving it back to her.


I have made some good friends at the gym I go to. Where I do my test marketing of my Tex-Mex food and purchasing some equipment for them, a speed bag for boxing and a 'Texas deadlift bar'. Anyway I got some guys there really willing to help me and anyone I care about. One of these guys is high up the police and military, a Colonel or General. I sent him a FB message and he immediately called me. I had him speak to Ilona. When he gets back April 3rd I am going arrange a meeting. I told Ilona she needs to fix situation with her ex-husband and their children.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: BillyB on March 27, 2020, 08:38:53 AM
From the people I've come in contact with everyone here is especially kind to one another. I think everyone knows it is time put down differences and realize what is important and what is not.


That happens at the beginning of a crisis. It's important for everybody, good or bad, to align themselves with somebody good. Surround yourself only with people that will NEVER do you wrong. When a crisis gets real bad, you will see true colors and you won't like what you see.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: msmob on March 27, 2020, 09:17:54 AM
That happens at the beginning of a crisis. It's important for everybody, good or bad, to align themselves with somebody good. Surround yourself only with people that will NEVER do you wrong. When a crisis gets real bad, you will see true colors and you won't like what you see.

Hmm, right now, Maxx should be isolating ..not 'surrounding' himself, surely  ! ?...
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: BillyB on March 27, 2020, 09:28:20 AM
Hmm, right now, Maxx should be isolating ..not 'surrounding' himself, surely  ! ?...

Isolate yes, but he still needs good people in his life to support him should he get ill and can't go out and get his own food or watch his assets should he have to sit in a hospital for a month.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: msmob on March 27, 2020, 09:43:37 AM
Isolate yes, but he still needs good people in his life to support him should he get ill and can't go out and get his own food or watch his assets should he have to sit in a hospital for a month.

My POINT ( that you seem too dense to grasp ) is meeting them now is more likely to make him ill ... Do you not understand the concept of isolation ?

Maxx has a network of people he can call on,
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: BillyB on March 27, 2020, 11:09:23 AM
My POINT ( that you seem too dense to grasp ) is meeting them now is more likely to make him ill ... Do you not understand the concept of isolation ?


Says the guy who travels telling passport control agents their masks are useless while he's standing face to face with them when a virus is running loose  . People can still talk to each other at a distance or on the phone. Maxx doesn't need to search for new friends. He already has some and he needs to reinforce those friendship and get rid of the questionable people in his life. The questionable people are the type that will take Maxx's car and clean out his restaurant while he's in critical condition in the hospital.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: msmob on March 27, 2020, 02:39:15 PM
Says the guy who travels telling passport control agents their masks are useless while he's standing face to face with them when a virus is running loose  . People can still talk to each other at a distance or on the phone. Maxx doesn't need to search for new friends. He already has some and he needs to reinforce those friendship and get rid of the questionable people in his life. The questionable people are the type that will take Maxx's car and clean out his restaurant while he's in critical condition in the hospital.

BillyB, your tactic of deflection doesn't wash any more

1/ Learn to deal with your daft words being busted

2/ Try not to compound your daftness by constantly raising stuff where you have already been busted

Maxx is unwise to be socialising at this point in time   ...friends should be chatting via apps not meeting



Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on March 28, 2020, 02:23:58 AM
Maxx has a network of people he can call on,


Alex has the key to my business. Ilona does not. A few days ago I had her organize my things. I have this projector with a large pull up screen. The screen and some other things now cover the window so people can't look in. I do have some food in there, rice, beans, sugar, wheat flour, mesa corn flour, spices et cetera but they can't be seen. Other than seeing some reckless driving I don't seeing any signs of panic. And some Georgians are natural hotroders anyway, so? I almost got it from a BMW the other day. My gas tank is full. The store shelves are packed here. Nobody I know knows of anyone with coovid19
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on March 28, 2020, 02:24:45 AM

http://georgiatoday.ge/news/20196/Number-of-Coronavirus-Cases-Increases-to-75- (http://georgiatoday.ge/news/20196/Number-of-Coronavirus-Cases-Increases-to-75-)


Number of Coronavirus Cases Increases to 75
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The total number of persons infected with coronavirus has increased to 75 in Georgia. The information has been posted on the special website created by the government, stopcov.ge.
4055 people are in quarantine and 255 are under examination in hospitals.
10 out of 75 people have recovered from COVID-19.







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The total number of persons infected with coronavirus has increased to 85 in Georgia. The information has been posted on the special website created by the government, stopcov.ge.
4641 people are in quarantine and 239 are under examination in hospitals.
14 out of 85 people have recovered from COVID-19.
By Ana Dumbadze
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on March 28, 2020, 02:32:44 AM



I had a dream last night I accidentally wandered into a whorehouse. I had thought it was a restaurant but the waitresses were overly friendly. I remember I wasn't eager to leave... 8)


Quote
Having more unusual dreams during lockdown? You may not be aloneBy Press Association 2020
Life in lockdown could be causing people to have longer, more memorable and more intense or emotional dreams, an expert has said.
Increased financial pressures, cabin fever, and a lack of stimulation caused by staying at home for days on end could all result in significant changes to the dreams people are having, said Professor Mark Blagrove, a leading expert in sleep and dreaming at Swansea University’s department of psychology.

Professor Blagrove told the PA news agency: “Many people will have experienced a change in their circumstances recently, and any type of stress may be dreamt about.


“Some people will be having a life that is more boring than previously.
There’s going to be a lot of people having quite emotional dreams
Professor Mark Blagrove

“But there will be a lot of people who have more stress, possibly because they are with people who they wouldn’t spend so long with as a proportion of the day.
“It may be discomforting, it may be extremely stressful and dangerous for people in domestic violence situations.
“You then have the extra things like financial worries, employment worries, worries about your children.”
Prof Blagrove said there was a metaphorical “replication of life in dreams” which focuses on the “more emotional side”.
He said: “For a lot of people, they won’t dream about their working life because, generally, it’s not that interesting.
“But if the current situation gives people more interesting things happening, it may happen that people are dreaming more.”
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: msmob on March 28, 2020, 03:19:06 AM
. Nobody I know knows of anyone with coovid19

Yet.... I was the same until yesterday.

Georgia has been wise and locked down, swiftly.

Those who actually self isolate will stand a better chance of avoiding the first wave.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on March 28, 2020, 04:00:26 AM
Yet.... I was the same until yesterday.

Georgia has been wise and locked down, swiftly.

Those who actually self isolate will stand a better chance of avoiding the first wave.


I'm going to do my daily trip through the Mcdonalds drive through in a few minutes. Just checked my blood glucose level, 87 which is excellent. Blood pressure is 127/72 also good.


Vitamins, vodka and vitriol can get you through anything.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: msmob on March 28, 2020, 04:09:24 AM
Maxx, I admire your positivity, but if McD's are open couldn't you be serving take aways?!))

Your attitude has become v.formal soviet )

Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on March 28, 2020, 05:32:25 AM
Maxx, I admire your positivity, but if McD's are open couldn't you be serving take aways?!))

Your attitude has become v.formal soviet )


Don't forget Moby I am a Britt by heritage.


Yes I could. The problem is I can't finish the kitchen because the hardware stores are closed. Apparently my guy Grant is having a difficult time getting store owners to sell things out the back door. Also my hot and cold units lacked completion. Misha was in such a rush to get paid upon delivery he left some parts behind. Also he didn't make an access door for the sink unit. So I told Grant to get a electrical saw and make one on the front wooden panel (painted black). But on second thought giving Georgia a 'Chipotle experience' is not possible under present circumstances.

My plan is to press forward as much as I can. Hoping for the tourist season Georgia so desperately needs.

(http://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49707809021_cd90916a6b_c.jpg)


My sense on the street is people here want things to get back to normal. ANYONE who can work does so. The streets are getting repaired finally. Construction workers are working. The streets are being swept by people using those funny brooms. There were more cars in Metro-City parking lot today. Life will go on.






Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on March 28, 2020, 11:52:45 PM



Number of Coronavirus Cases Rises to 90
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The number of coronavirus cases has increased in Georgia. The country now has 90 people in hospitals who have tested positive for COVID-19. The information was published on the government-run website stopcov.ge (http://stopcov.ge/).

The website also reports on other coronavirus data in the country, like the number of patients who have recovered, of people in quarantine and under medical supervision. Currently, there are 4534 individuals quarantined, 276 stay in in-patient care, while 16 patients have recovered from Covid-19.

By Nini Dakhundaridze
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: msmob on March 29, 2020, 01:08:01 AM
Hi Maxx,

I think these figures ( other than any reported fatalities ) are meaningless - unless everyone who has the virus is being tested... which I doubt ...   (

My little rural county in the UK is reporting 100 plus from just over 500k ... I think the number could be 5- 10 times that and we STILL don't know how many people can be asymptomatic and be carriers ... 'Reports' from China reckoned up to 30% ..

THAT is why govts want people to socially distance or isolate ..



Georgia has tried this earlier in the curve .. it will be interesting to see how it pans out.  It is a v.family orientated country and if one family member gets it ....



Stay safe, stay away from other folks - 2m away ;)  ..for at least two weeks more
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on March 30, 2020, 08:41:13 AM
I am drinking a bottle of Saperavi red wine and eating some caviar. In an hour and 20 minutes the nationwide curfew begins. From 9 PM to 6 AM if you are caught on the street you face a 3000 (almost $1000) GEL fine.


I seen Ilona today and took her to Carrefour to stock up on some food. Her Belarusian ex-husband took her children away a few days ago. She wants to see me tomorrow and hang out and watch movies together. We both need the company. We've finally figured out our relationship. I haven't seen my two daughters and granddaughter in 3 1/2 years. So that is what ii become, a father or grandfather to her. I need someone to look after and she does the same for me.


I am going to download some movies we can watch together


Grumpy Old Men (like me)
Grumpier Old Men both films take place in Minnesota where I came from
Heartbreak Kid (1972) also part of it takes place in Minnesota
The Producers (1968)
The Graduate (1968) a must see classic film.


Any suggestions?
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Faux Pas on March 30, 2020, 08:50:01 AM
I am drinking a bottle of Saperavi red wine and eating some caviar. In an hour and 20 minutes the nationwide curfew begins. From 9 PM to 6 AM if you are caught on the street you face a 3000 (almost $1000) GEL fine.


I seen Ilona today and took her to Carrefour to stock up on some food. Her Belarusian ex-husband took her children away a few days ago. She wants to see me tomorrow and hang out and watch movies together. We both need the company. We've finally figured out our relationship. I haven't seen my two daughters and granddaughter in 3 1/2 years. So that is what ii become, a father or grandfather to her. I need someone to look after and she does the same for me.

Is that what you're looking for?
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on March 30, 2020, 08:57:44 AM
Is that what you're looking for?


Yes but also a woman I can live my life out with. I met recently a Georgian woman in her 40s I rather like. When this madness is over I will ask her father if he will allow me to court her. Her name is Xhatuna (Khatuna). No children, never married and from what I can tell as sweet as can be.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on March 30, 2020, 09:01:38 AM
My Georgian business landlord who is in Ontario Canada with his Georgian wife WhatsApp me and says it feels like "III World War"
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on March 30, 2020, 09:04:27 AM
Number of Coronavirus Cases Climbs to 100
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The total number of persons infected with coronavirus has increased to 100 in Georgia. The information has been posted on the special website created by the government, stopcov.ge.
4978 persons are in quarantine and 264 remain under examination in hospitals. 18 have recovered.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on March 30, 2020, 10:59:53 PM
Unbelievable


Prime Minister of Georgia on Declaring Universal Quarantine
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The government made the decision to significantly tighten measures within the framework of the state of emergency, which will take effect at 8:00 in the morning tomorrow, stated Georgian Prime Minister Giorgi Gakharia at a briefing held after the conclusion of a session of the Interagency Coordination Council on the coronavirus.

Today's session took place in an extended format and was attended by the mayor of the capital, members of the Cabinet of Ministers, and senior officials from the Center for Disease Control, in addition to members of the council.

"We have decided to significantly tighten measures within the framework of the state of emergency. Effectively - and I would like to emphasize this - effectively, we are declaring universal quarantine, which will begin tomorrow, at 8:00 in the morning. This quarantine means the following:

It is completely forbidden to travel using any type of public transport (including the subway), both within and between cities and municipalities.

It is only permissible to travel using light vehicles (including taxis), and only if the recommendation of the Ministry of Healthcare has been taken into consideration, i.e., if there are no more than three persons in an automobile, with the essential condition that the two persons are seated in the rear seat. This is a very important recommendation and relevant state bodies will make the appropriate decisions in case of noncompliance.

Also, it is only permissible to carry passengers for the purpose of transporting employees of facilities of strategic importance in an organized and safe manner.

• Gathering of more than three persons is forbidden, with the exception of grocery stores and pharmacies, where maintaining a social distance of two meters is mandatory
.
• Furthermore, rules governing the operation of enterprises that are permitted by the government will be set out separately; they will have separate protocols that will be agreed with the Ministry of Healthcare. We are doing this so that the economy can continue to function and to ensure that the potential that the Georgian economy possesses is not brought to a standstill, as well as, of course, to ensure that our citizens can retain their jobs as far as possible.

Our citizens above 70 years of age will be forbidden from leaving their homes unless they are going to their nearest grocery store, their nearest pharmacy, or their nearest medical facility.

• If our citizens above 70 years of age live alone, the Ministry of Healthcare and the Ministry of Economy, as well as local municipalities, are obligated to provide them with assistance.

• Most importantly: Effectively, a full quarantine will be declared for the duration of the state of emergency. It will be forbidden to move on foot or using any other mode of transportation in the cities and throughout the entire country between the hours of 21:00 and 06:00. Effectively - and I would like to emphasize this once again - effectively, this means that a so-called curfew is being declared throughout the entire country between the hours of 21:00 and 06:00.

Checkpoints will be set up in the cities of Tbilisi, Batumi, Kutaisi, Rustavi, Poti, Zugdidi, and Gori in order to control the movement of individuals, to check their health status, and to ensure the fulfillment of the tightened measures under the state of emergency, as well as to provide initial thermal screening and to control the administrative borders of these cities. These measures will be carried out by the forces of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, with the involvement of the relevant agencies of the Ministry of Defense.

A very important point: Every citizen must carry their identity documents while moving within the city at any time," the Prime Minister of Georgia stated.




Source: Press Service of the Government Administration
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: msmob on March 30, 2020, 11:14:07 PM
What is 'unbelievable', Maxx?

What the Rep og Georgia has done is early in the curve and they ar trying to flatten it before the Orhodox Easter....as the govt feels a lot of people MAY  the need disobey on religious grounds and head off to form crowds in a Church...

Rumours are going around that Sakashvilli is 'back in town'....


Now whilst I, personally, hold him in higher regard than (say) Boethius.... I hope if these rumours are true, that he doesn't stir up dissent....

Not the moment to be encouraging gatherings / protests / civil disobedience ....



Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on March 31, 2020, 01:52:04 AM
I checked and Saakashvili is not back in town.

I did the math. The deaths from Coronavirus is one per


107,692.00   Danes

and one per 

96,380.00.    Swedes

"While Denmark and Norway closed their borders, restaurants and ski slopes and told all students to stay home this month, Sweden shut only its high schools and colleges, kept its preschools, grade schools, pubs, restaurants and borders open — and put no limits on the slopes.
In fact, Sweden has stayed open for business while other nations beyond Scandinavia have attacked the outbreak with various measures ambitious in scope and reach. Sweden’s approach has raised questions about whether it’s gambling with a pandemic, COVID-19, that has no cure or vaccine, or if its tactic will be seen as a savvy strategy to fight a scourge that has laid waste to millions of jobs and prompted global lockdowns unprecedented in peacetime.
Norway with a population 5.6 million, reported 2,200 cases and 52 deaths; Sweden, with 10.12 million people, recorded more than 3,060 cases and 105 deaths. A recent headline in the Danish newspaper Politiken encapsulates the question ricocheting around Europe, “Doesn’t Sweden take the corona crisis seriously?”
There is no evidence that Swedes are underplaying the enormity of the disease rampaging across the globe. The country’s leader and health officials have stressed hand washing, social distancing and protecting people older than 70 by limiting contact with them."
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: BC on March 31, 2020, 02:23:31 AM
Maxx,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_coronavirus_pandemic_in_Sweden#Statistics

The article was written a few days ago when their death rate averaged around 15 per day.  Yesterday it almost tripled to 42.

Stay home, stay safe.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on March 31, 2020, 02:44:08 AM
Maxx,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_coronavirus_pandemic_in_Sweden#Statistics (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_coronavirus_pandemic_in_Sweden#Statistics)

The article was written a few days ago when their death rate averaged around 15 per day.  Yesterday it almost tripled to 42.

Stay home, stay safe.


Thanks for the info BC. I am trying to figure this out. I use what I see and hear in Georgia to try and figure the future. I talked with a Georgian friend and he feels the calmness here will be at month at most.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y26TQKczaaY


 
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: BC on March 31, 2020, 03:19:45 AM
Max,

I suspect take out might be part of your biz plans, so maybe a good time to work on that aspect.


Plan for two months which thus far has been the experience of most places when it comes to getting ahead of this virus.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on March 31, 2020, 03:36:20 AM
Max,

I suspect take out might be part of your biz plans, so maybe a good time to work on that aspect.


Plan for two months which thus far has been the experience of most places when it comes to getting ahead of this virus.


"Take away" is how they call it here. I appreciate your advice. Thank you!
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on March 31, 2020, 09:28:42 AM
I got a call just now from my personal residence landlord's daughter. She told me that at 9 PM tonight there is a curfew. I told her I knew this from a English language website called Georgiatoday.ge
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: ML on March 31, 2020, 10:01:08 AM
I got a call just now from my personal residence landlord's daughter. She told me that at 9 PM tonight there is a curfew. I told her I knew this from a English language website called Georgiatoday.ge

Maxx, people our age should be in bed by 9 PM anyway.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Faux Pas on March 31, 2020, 10:04:41 AM
Maxx, people our age should be in bed by 9 PM anyway.

And if you're not, go home
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on April 01, 2020, 01:36:22 AM
Alcohol Sales Restricted in Georgia
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The economic activity of most non-essential businesses shall be restricted as part of the state of emergency regime in Georgia amid the ever-increasing number of COVID-19 cases.
Pursuant to the new government decree, alcoholic beverage stores have also been closed.
The emergency order includes a list of critical businesses that can continue to operate provided that they adhere to the social distancing rules as much as possible. As specified in Article 7 of the document signed by the Prime Minister Giorgi Gakharia, any economic activity shall be suspended for the duration of the state of emergency, except:
Medical facilities;
Retail sale of food, animal and plant products, animal food, veterinary products, pesticides and agrochemicals, seed and planting materials;
Mills, bakery products, dairy-processing enterprises;
Supply of electricity, natural gas, water production / transmission / distribution / supply, gasoline, diesel, liquefied gas, as well as telecommunications, postal and waste management services;
Commercial banks;
Payment service providers;
ATMs, self-service kiosks and post terminals;
Microfinance organizations;
Production / distribution / sale of medical goods, pharmaceuticals;
Agricultural activities and activities related to livestock / poultry;
Taxi service (category M1);
Private security service;
Advocacy service;
Press booths.
Activities of restaurants and public catering establishments are only allowed through food delivery and take-out services, without user access to the retail space.
By Elene Dzebisashvili
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on April 04, 2020, 05:35:25 AM
Georgia Reports the First Coronavirus Death, Number of Cases Rises to 157
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The first case of death due to the new coronavirus has been reported in Georgia.
"The deceased was a 79-year-old patient from the Marneuli-Bolnisi cluster," Levan Ratiani, the Director of the First University Clinic, told reporters on Saturday.
He added that the patient had serious concomitant diseases along with COVID-19.
"Earlier this morning, a fatal case of coronavirus infection was confirmed. The victim is a 79-year-old woman, whose main diagnosis was COVID-19 and acute pneumonia. The complications included respiratory distress syndrome, sepsis, septic shock, spontaneous pneumothorax, acute respiratory failure, acute failure of the cardiovascular system, acute heart failure. The concomitant diseases of this patient were quite severe,” said Amiran Gamkrelidze, Head of the National Center for Disease Control and Public Health.
The number of cases of coronavirus infection has increased to 157 in Georgia. The information has been posted on the government-run website stopcov.ge.
5526 people are in quarantine and 344 under examination in hospitals.
28 out of 157 people have recovered and one has died.
By Ana Dumbadze
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: msmob on April 04, 2020, 05:42:32 AM
The 79 yr old woman died ..  ((

Georgia's govt has taken early action ..


Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on April 04, 2020, 08:22:14 AM
The 79 yr old woman died ..  ((

Georgia's govt has taken early action ..


She probably would have died anyways.


"The complications included respiratory distress syndrome, sepsis, septic shock, spontaneous pneumothorax, acute respiratory failure, acute failure of the cardiovascular system, acute heart failure."

My landlord's mother's sister died today, 92 years old. Nobody can attend the funeral.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on April 05, 2020, 05:58:52 AM
Second Coronavirus Death Reported in Georgia
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The second coronavirus death has been reported in Georgia, Levan Ratiani, the Director of the First University Clinic, told reporters on Sunday.
He added that the deceased was an 81-year-old woman who had serious concomitant diseases along with COVID-19.
“The woman, who was taken from Tbilisi Sea Hospital on April 3 with a life-threatening condition, suffered from hemodynamic disturbances. The study revealed acute respiratory distress, a history of acute myocardial infarction, atrial fibrillation and chronic heart failure. She was transferred to the Department of Critical Medicine for further treatment. Treatment was ongoing in accordance with guidelines, however, she passed away," he noted.
Yesterday, Georgia confirmed the first case of death due to the new coronavirus. The patient was 79-years-old and also had serious concomitant diseases.
The number of coronavirus cases has increased to 170.
5067 people are in quarantine and 330 under examination in hospitals.
36 out of 170 people have recovered from the illness and two patients have died.
By Ana Dumbadze
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: msmob on April 05, 2020, 08:25:53 AM
Hi Maxx,

When we heard talk of young folk dying in China, we thought REALLY .. ?...this is a virus that only hits elderly folk who have other health issues ... After a while  health workers in their 20's and 30's might die and THEN it hits you ...  other folks are dangerous to be near (


Stay safe
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on April 06, 2020, 04:18:35 AM
Coronavirus Cases Rise to 174 in Georgia
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Georgia has reported 4 new cases of COVID-19, bringing the country's total to 174.

At the time of writing, Georgia has 36 recoveries from the virus and 2 fatalities, one patient who died was 79 and the other 81, both reportedly had pre-existing health conditions before being infected with COVID-19.

Currently, 5010 people are quarantined throughout Georgia and 350 stay in in-patient care.

The updates were published on a state website stopcov.ge (http://stopcov.ge/).

By Nini Dakhundaridze
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on April 06, 2020, 05:38:17 AM
Hi Maxx,

Stay safe


I don't believe that. You could have put two people together (Sonya and I) but for a ten dollar test dreamed up by a man who has been living off you for the past three years.




Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: msmob on April 06, 2020, 06:05:40 AM
Oh not this SHYTE, again...  what 'rattled your cage', so ?

Cluebat:  S did not know about M and my test ...   Blaming all and sundry won't alter SHE had already decided not to pursue the 'relationship'... She took your money and didn't want you ... *I* told you not to send it ...



My wishes as to your health were sincere .. 



Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on April 06, 2020, 06:35:41 AM
Oh not this SHYTE, again...  what 'rattled your cage', so ?

Cluebat:  S did not know about M and my test ...   Blaming all and sundry won't alter SHE had already decided not to pursue the 'relationship'... She took your money and didn't want you ... *I* told you not to send it ...



My wishes as to your health were sincere ..


No they are not. You are truly an evil man.




Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: msmob on April 06, 2020, 08:18:44 AM
Maxx, again...

You renewed 'contempt' for me doesn't alter my sincere wishes re your health.

I am still somewhat puzzled as to to your latest 'change of heart' as to my status.




Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on April 07, 2020, 11:27:36 AM
Georgia: 3rd Coronavirus Death Reported, 46 Recover
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Another patient died of coronavirus in Georgia.
The 86-year-old patient, whose health condition was critical with serious concomitant diseases along with COVID-19, was treated at the Tbilisi Infectious Diseases Hospital.
This is the third case of coronavirus death in the country.
The total number of coronavirus cases stands at 195.
4708 people are in quarantine and 370 under examination in hospitals.
46 out of 195 people have recovered from the illness and three patients have died.
By Ana Dumbadze


First death an 79 year old. Second death an 81 year old. Third death an 86 year old.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on April 14, 2020, 11:21:24 AM
Entry to 4 Major Cities Forbidden for 10 Days, State of Emergency to be Extended
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Given the increasing number of coronavirus infection in the country, the Georgian government has decided to prohibit all types of movement, entry and exit to four major Georgian cities - Tbilisi, Rustavi, Batumi and Kutaisi, starting tomorrow, April 15.
Prime Minister Giorgi Gakharia made the corresponding statement at a briefing today.
"The government has decided to ban citizens from entering or leaving big cities - Tbilisi, Rustavi, Batumi and Kutaisi for 10 days, from at 9 pm tomorrow," the head of the government said.
He said that it happened for the first time that 30 people were infected in a day. 500 people are being examined.
The Prime Minister noted that the country has moved to a stage of full-scale internal transmission.
"Tomorrow, the government will appeal to the President of Georgia to extend the State of Emergency until May 10," the PM added.
"We appeal to the President to address the Parliament in the coming days on the extension of the state of emergency until May 10. These are the necessary steps that must be taken immediately to move to a new stage of slowing down the speed and geographical expansion of the virus," he noted.
Initially, the State of Emergency was declared throughout Georgia until April 21, however, given the current developments, the government has decided to extend the term of the emergency regime.
Title: Can't drive my car for 4 days
Post by: Maxx2 on April 16, 2020, 11:27:15 AM



People here can still walk to the stores and most do not have or use cars.


Traffic Completely Banned from 17 to 21 April
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As a part of the State of Emergency, it will be completely forbidden to drive a car in the country from 12:00 PM of April 17 to 21 April.
Advisor to the Prime Minister Irakli Chikovani made the corresponding statement at a briefing held at the governmental administration this evening.
The restriction will enter into force tomorrow, from 12:00 PM, meaning that citizens throughout the country will be banned from driving cars during the mentioned period.
Restrictions do not apply to the transportation of cargo and distribution vehicles. Shops, pharmacies, food delivery services, and all other permitted facilities will continue to operate as usual.
In addition, starting April 17, visiting cemeteries is also prohibited throughout the country.
Chikovani added that starting tomorrow, wearing medical face masks in closed public spaces will become mandatory.
The PM's spokesperson once again urged the population to adhere to imposed restrictions and stay at home for their own safety.
By Ana Dumbadze
Title: Re: Can't drive my car for 4 days
Post by: BillyB on April 16, 2020, 12:04:08 PM
As a part of the State of Emergency, it will be completely forbidden to drive a car in the country from 12:00 PM of April 17 to 21 April.
Advisor to the Prime Minister Irakli Chikovani made the corresponding statement at a briefing held at the governmental administration this evening.
The restriction will enter into force tomorrow, from 12:00 PM, meaning that citizens throughout the country will be banned from driving cars during the mentioned period.



Pretty extreme measures taken considering Georgia reports a few hundred infected and only 3 people dead. Sounds like they're underreporting. How full are the hospitals in Georgia right now?
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: msmob on April 16, 2020, 12:48:32 PM
 What Maxx may not know is that the opposition are trying to politicise this sensible approach - to  get businesses working ...   There might be protests - which of course could explain stopping moving in or out of 4 cities ?  Who can say ?

Not sure how Maxx would know any more than the news on stopcov.ge..  Says 558 hospitalised
Title: Re: Can't drive my car for 4 days
Post by: Maxx2 on April 16, 2020, 01:39:47 PM

Pretty extreme measures taken considering Georgia reports a few hundred infected and only 3 people dead. Sounds like they're underreporting. How full are the hospitals in Georgia right now?


Billy, what is the sense of banning automobiles while people walk on the streets?



http://georgiatoday.ge/news/20646/COVID-19-in-Georgia%3A-340-Infected%2C76-Recover


3 women with severe heart problems ages 79, 81 and 86 are listed as dying from the coronavirus. Last year 46,659 Georgians died from various causes.


The parking lots here are are deserted. Everyone is in need of employment except certain professions such grocery store employees, pharmacy employees, hospital employees, the police and the politicians. They keep earning money and the curfews and travel restrictions don't apply to them. It only applies to people who were on the edge financially in the first place.


I've got my inner circle. We all try and to help and look out for each other. With my $1297.50 a month pension I'm the one-eyed man in the world of the blind. Tonight I had a Russian lesson. And I've employed people to help me set up my restaurant. That is delayed until at least the 21st. Everyone is glad to get the money. I think after this is over people will be closer.

Title: Why I can't drive my until April 22
Post by: Maxx2 on April 17, 2020, 11:25:56 AM
It was explained to me that the government did this because it was the Easter weekend and they wanted to discourage people from visiting their families and going to church. Makes sense.
Title: Re: Why I can't drive my until April 22
Post by: BillyB on April 17, 2020, 12:36:15 PM
It was explained to me that the government did this because it was the Easter weekend and they wanted to discourage people from visiting their families and going to church. Makes sense.

Our government discouraged us too from attending church, even outlawing it but they educated the American public enough so we understand why and didn't take away our rights to drive. I guess the Georgian government doesn't trust citizens enough to stay home on this important holiday. In America we did have some goofy pastors telling people to attend church having the belief God will protect them from the virus. Those pastors forgot that God gave them a brain and He wants them to use it.
Title: Re: Why I can't drive my ( car out / in of the city ) until April 22
Post by: msmob on April 17, 2020, 10:50:22 PM
It was explained to me that the government did this because it was the Easter weekend and they wanted to discourage people from visiting their families and going to church. Makes sense.

I agree... some Political opposition are saying it was to stop demonstrations ..
Title: Re: Can't drive my car for 4 days
Post by: Maxx2 on April 19, 2020, 04:02:34 AM


People here can still walk to the stores and most do not have or use cars.


Traffic Completely Banned from 17 to 21 April
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As a part of the State of Emergency, it will be completely forbidden to drive a car in the country from 12:00 PM of April 17 to 21 April.
Advisor to the Prime Minister Irakli Chikovani made the corresponding statement at a briefing held at the governmental administration this evening.
The restriction will enter into force tomorrow, from 12:00 PM, meaning that citizens throughout the country will be banned from driving cars during the mentioned period.
Restrictions do not apply to the transportation of cargo and distribution vehicles. Shops, pharmacies, food delivery services, and all other permitted facilities will continue to operate as usual.
In addition, starting April 17, visiting cemeteries is also prohibited throughout the country.
Chikovani added that starting tomorrow, wearing medical face masks in closed public spaces will become mandatory.
The PM's spokesperson once again urged the population to adhere to imposed restrictions and stay at home for their own safety.
By Ana Dumbadze


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I seen another article where the Prime Minister is working on ways to further enforce their restrictions. Right now there is a 3000 GEL fine on individuals and 15,000 GEL on businesses that disobey. A woman recently got a 3000 GEL (BIG money over here) fine for selling tulips on the steps of some building (church?).


Every night I eat dinner with my Georgian family. I give Joggo 50 GEL a week to buy groceries. It is far more than what I eat but it helps the family. Afterwards I watch TV until about 8:30 PM because at 9 PM if I am caught outside I can be arrested but probably just fined a 1000 bucks




[/size]Police Detect 230 New Violations of State of Emergency
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230 new violations of the state of emergency were detected in the past 24 hours as a result of the monitoring carried out by the law enforcers throughout the country.
The Ministry of Internal Affairs reports that 71 citizens were fined for violating curfew across the country last night.
"The MIA of Georgia continues working for 24 hours in order to identify violators of the restrictions imposed within the framework of the curfew. In order to prevent the spread of coronavirus in the country, the police respond promptly to all violations. Law enforcers detected 230 new cases of violation of the curfew for the last 24 hours.
"71 citizens were fined for violating the curfew across the country last night. In addition, the police fined 68 citizens for violating the restrictions of gathering and the 2-meter social distancing. Law enforcers also fined 91 people for transporting passengers and violating the traffic rules," the Ministry said.
In case of violation of the established rules, individuals are fined GEL 3000 and legal entities - GEL 15000.
The Ministry of Internal Affairs calls on citizens to adhere to restrictions imposed within the framework of the state of emergency.
By Ana Dumbadze
 


After dinner I sit and watch TV with the family. The family is Joggo (age almost 61) his wife Nana (She works in the hospital as a nurse), their 17 year old son Nikka and their 2 daughters, Irma (23) and Inga (26). Inga used to sing in the Batumi opera but doesn't now due to the shutdown. I do not understand much of the news I see on their TV. From what I can see there is no questioning about how to open things back up. It is all video of flashing lights, hospital personnel running around, road blocks, military on the streets and depressed reporters excitedly reporting sad news.


On Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays I study Russian with Irma using Pimsluer that is on my laptop. I pay her 20 GEL for a 2 hour lesson. We make a list of the words and phrases which are the most common used in Russian conversation according to "doctor Pimsluer." The last half hour we do the back and forth thing of conversation. It also helps Irma with her English. She works in tourism but not now.


So far in a nation of 3.731 million people 4 people have died from the coronavirus. One today listed as the "victim" (gender not disclosed) as being "Over the age of 70 with chronic health conditions" and the other 3 were women ages 79, 81 and 86 with severe heart conditions. You got to wonder how many of these people would have died without getting covid 19?


The amount of coronavirus cases in Georgia in a population of 3,731,000 is 394, 86 have recovered. There is a depression all over the land not much from the virus but from not being able to earn an income. I see no effort, except my own, in getting ready for a life after this passes, if it passes.   
Title: Re: Can't drive my car for 4 days
Post by: BillyB on April 19, 2020, 09:22:02 AM
There is a depression all over the land not much from the virus but from not being able to earn an income. I see no effort, except my own, in getting ready for a life after this passes, if it passes.


Maxx, small nations like Georgia does not have the means and money to fight an epidemic. If they don't prevent exponential growth of infections, deaths and lose control of the virus, more suffering may happen if the economy and government collapses. Is the government making the best decision for the nation? Who knows? But they get to make decisions and you're going to have to endure the loss of freedoms for as long as the virus is running loose. My guess is Georgia is going to be strict and ease restrictions after they observe how a large nation successfully limits the virus's spread with minimum damage to the economy and medical community. It's going to be a balancing act from here on out until a vaccine if found.
Title: Re: Can't drive my car for 4 days
Post by: Maxx2 on April 19, 2020, 09:45:09 AM
Maxx, small nations like Georgia does not have the means and money to fight an epidemic. If they don't prevent exponential growth of infections, deaths and lose control of the virus, more suffering may happen if the economy and government collapses. Is the government making the best decision for the nation? Who knows? But they get to make decisions and you're going to have to endure the loss of freedoms for as long as the virus is running loose. My guess is Georgia is going to be strict and ease restrictions after they observe how a large nation successfully limits the virus's spread with minimum damage to the economy and medical community. It's going to be a balancing act from here on out until a vaccine if found.


The scheduled time to allow driving again is this Wednesday 2 days from now. The lifting of the 9 PM to 6 AM curfew and other restrictions on non essential business is supposed to be May 10th. But I doubt that. They and everyone else will find case after case of coronavirus stretching off into infinity.
Title: Re: Can't drive my car for 4 days
Post by: Maxx2 on April 21, 2020, 10:13:25 AM

The scheduled time to allow driving again is this Wednesday 2 days from now. The lifting of the 9 PM to 6 AM curfew and other restrictions on non essential business is supposed to be May 10th. But I doubt that. They and everyone else will find case after case of coronavirus stretching off into infinity.


I was right. The driving ban has been extended to April 27, five more days and the restrictions including the 9 PM till 6 AM curfew has been extended to May 22nd. Twelve more days of crippling the economy.



Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on April 21, 2020, 10:35:02 AM

A Russian women named Elena wrote:

Это просто ужас...Правительство, пр правительства, Вы взвешиваете решения??? Или вы все пенсионеры, которым уже нечего терять...читайте новости других стран, как взвешенно выравнивают весы между не терять бизнес и защищать людей... Вы только топите всех и все...


It's just awful ... Government, pr governments, do you weigh decisions ??? Or are you all pensioners who have nothing to lose ... read the news of other countries, how to balance the balance between not losing your business and protecting people ... You just drown everyone and everything ...
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on April 22, 2020, 02:32:19 PM

Hello Givi, I just seen your message.


I am trapped in my apartment. I am too far from my business to walk to it. Every weekday at 4 PM I study Russian with Irma. I pay her of course. I figure it helps the family. Afterward about 6 PM I go to the kitchen where Nana has supper for me. She is a good cook. Then after that I sit in the living room with the family and watch a Turkish soap opera dubbed into Georgian. I have recognized about 3 words, Gamajoba, Knock-vam-dease and mody. On the soap opera there is a very good looking redhead that never smiles. I wondered if there is something wrong with her teeth?


At 8:30 I go back to my apartment before I violate the curfew. I don't want a 3000 Lari fine or get thrown in Georgian jail...


Meanwhile I got people setting things up at my business. I get sent photos of the progress. Today the kitchen is operational. Little good it does me because I am in prison lockdown until the 27th. However I expect to see on the news on the 26th another extension and they will do that until the Georgia economy collapses and there are food riots in the streets.


Misha didn't put a hole in the sink for the faucet so we had to rig up a plastic one. When he comes back this way (When will that be??) he will bring a tool to make a hole for the metal faucet which we got. Also there was no access door in the sink unit so we had to take off the front. We can't get the city to give us a permit to hook to the gas line outside since they are closed. So we hooked up a Turkish cylinder to hold us over.


The last photo is of some inserts for the hot and cold units. Misha made only one long. We need 4 more. The short piece 12 more otherwise the units cannot hold the containers like they are supposed to. I think Misha was in such a hurry to get to me and get paid he forgot (?) to do a lot of things. I paid him 150 Lari for this but the  prison lockdown came.


The woman that worked next door, Khatuna will be working with me. She is an administrator and can help me with getting this business started. Once I can drive again I will start working with her on all the things we need to do. And they are a lot! Being in prison lockdown sure makes this difficult!


Other than that everything is OK. How is it going for you? Or shouldn't I ask?


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Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Grumpy on April 22, 2020, 03:22:28 PM
Are fire suppression systems required there? Range hood fires are not unusual in commercial kitchens. You should definitely consider buying a couple of dry chemical fire extinguishers.

Best wishes, lots of luck, and stay well.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on April 22, 2020, 03:54:20 PM
Are fire suppression systems required there? Range hood fires are not unusual in commercial kitchens. You should definitely consider buying a couple of dry chemical fire extinguishers.

Best wishes, lots of luck, and stay well.


There is a gas detector there. No fire suppression here. Too expensive for the businesses. I will be getting fire extinguishers and a exit map to hang. I am friends with the owners of the gym I used to go to (It is closed). They know the city rules. There will be an inspector who will tell us what to do and come back in a month to see if it is done. However I suspect that they will expect to see every change done first before allowing me to open. It's going to be a while. Maybe six or seven weeks, providing of course they let me travel by car. Maybe I should hire a horse, carriage and driver? Motorcycles and scooters are also exempt from the ban and inclosed vehicles are not?
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: ML on April 22, 2020, 04:18:23 PM

Misha didn't put a hole in the sink for the faucet so we had to rig up a plastic one.

Some years back a friend contracted to have a new house built.

As final stage, landscapers came to put in yard, etc.

Only then was it discovered there were no water faucets provided on the outside of the house.

More recently, I was just walking through a house nearing completion as an electrician had invited me in.

He pointed out how refrigerator door would only open about a third of the way before it hit a counter top.

Some years back, I was in a new house where stairway to second floor would only accommodate a person with a height of about 5 foot 8 inches.

Another time I was told about a very expensive house whose entire two story structure (only framed up at the time) leaned somewhat during a strong wind.  It was never corrected, so some interior walls are noticeably off plumb by up to 2 inches.

And yet in another instance, plumbers told me of case where inexperienced guy thought the purple cleaner used on PVC drainage pipe was actually the glue, so he only used it and never told anyone until after concrete was poured for basement floor (pipe was under such basement).
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on April 22, 2020, 04:26:02 PM



My plan is finish setting up the kitchen.


Train Khatuna in making Tex-Mex food. She will train others but at first we have to do everything.


Photograph the food dishes. I will hang these photos along the wall by the hot unit. The photos will also be used in the online menu for Menu.ge, Glovo and Wolt. delivery services. And for the menu.


Anyway I got a long list of things for Khatuna to do. She has the education and experience in Georgian business administration. She will be working with the local government to make sure we are compliant with city rules and regulations. In the past there was very little of those. Now I suspect that will change.


Then there are things like the terms of Coca Cola. I would like to install a fountain machine and have what they do in the States. Buy a Coke product and you get unlimited refills. However I don't know the unit cost (I'll figure it) so I don't know if I can do that. But I will check. One thing is they give free furniture and a free Coke refrigerator that can be used to store beer, water and other beverages along with the Coke.


I've been searching Amazon for various things to buy. As example:


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I'll hang this in the window.


I have on order a Texas flag and a Mexican flag to hang over the kitchen overhang. And I have this on order but it won't be here until late July.


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Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on April 22, 2020, 04:53:51 PM
Some years back a friend contracted to have a new house built.

As final stage, landscapers came to put in yard, etc.

Only then was it discovered there were no water faucets provided on the outside of the house.

More recently, I was just walking through a house nearing completion as an electrician had invited me in.

He pointed out how refrigerator door would only open about a third of the way before it hit a counter top.

Some years back, I was in a new house where stairway to second floor would only accommodate a person with a height of about 5 foot 8 inches.

Another time I was told about a very expensive house whose entire two story structure (only framed up at the time) leaned somewhat during a strong wind.  It was never corrected, so some interior walls are noticeably off plumb by up to 2 inches.

And yet in another instance, plumbers told me of case where inexperienced guy thought the purple cleaner used on PVC drainage pipe was actually the glue, so he only used it and never told anyone until after concrete was poured for basement floor (pipe was under such basement).


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And this woman was concerned our vent pipe might be an eyesore to the common area behind the restaurant




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Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on April 22, 2020, 05:14:06 PM



A conversation I had with Alex my general contractor


Alex: We should contact all the neighbors to get their approval to run a pipe to the roof.


Me: Are you kidding? Do you see what it looks like out there? (See above) Most of the vents dump right out. If we run a pipe to the roof why would anyone complain?
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: BillyB on April 22, 2020, 09:08:36 PM

I got a headache looking at all the eyesores. Interesting to see what people in other countries get away with. Hope your place don't burn down.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on April 23, 2020, 09:36:20 AM
Billy, you know the building here. Everything is concrete and cinder blocks with steel roofs and bank vault doors. No much to burn.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on April 23, 2020, 09:39:36 AM



Announcement today. 3000 lari fine ($1000) for driving your car on the street. Second offense 6 years in prison. From it looks like the driving ban which is supposed to be lifted Tuesday might go on for a while. The Georgian government sure is good at one thing, strangling the economy.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: msmob on April 23, 2020, 09:41:47 AM
It seems pretty effective at stifling the spread of the virus ...
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Hammer2722 on April 23, 2020, 01:59:34 PM


Announcement today. 3000 lari fine ($1000) for driving your car on the street. Second offense 6 years in prison. From it looks like the driving ban which is supposed to be lifted Tuesday might go on for a while. The Georgian government sure is good at one thing, strangling the economy.


Sorry Maxx but what good is a business if your not around to run it or most of the customers get sick and die? People are more important than money....
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: BillyB on April 23, 2020, 10:02:04 PM
Billy, you know the building here. Everything is concrete and cinder blocks with steel roofs and bank vault doors. No much to burn.


Building made of concrete, steel and glass help limit fires but it didn't stop the World Trade Center from burning down. In the photo below is a Russian building burning. After the fire was put out, it was still standing. The wiring in your building looks like it was done by somebody that didn't go to school.

Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on April 24, 2020, 04:46:48 AM

Sorry Maxx but what good is a business if your not around to run it or most of the customers get sick and die? People are more important than money....


I think I can get my rent down to $200 a month or so until the tourists return. Employees there will be two at about $200 per month each. The short term hope is for the restaurant to generate a few hundred dollars a month in take-out food. With that and a comfortable amount of money left over for me from my pension I can keep it afloat. Then hope and plan for a future when tourists (Which Georgia is dependent upon) can eat in restaurants.


Another factor to keep in mind in regard to getting the flights and tourists back is apartment sales. Both Batumi and Tbilisi have a huge construction industry of new apartment buildings for people to invest in and buy for their retirement. Would you buy an apartment that you've never seen? There must be huge pressure upon the Georgian government by the contractors like ORBI to allow these investors/buyers into the country.   


Supposedly I am supposed to be able drive on the 28th. If so I can get to the restaurant and get things going for the next phase. I think the driving ban was not meant to stop covid-19 but to limit political opposition. Read between the lines the article below I will post. I suspect much of the reaction to covid-19 is based on political motives and NOT the spread of the disease. This is probably true here in Georgia and where you live. Nationalism was winning over Globalism.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on April 24, 2020, 04:47:45 AM



Okhanashvili Explains When 6 Years in Prison will be Used as Punishment
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"We have not tightened anything and we will not use the recently adopted amendments under the current state of emergency," Anri Okhanashvili, Chairman of the Parliamentary Committee on Legal Affairs, said while explaining the amendments adopted by the Parliament yesterday.
He noted that under the current state of emergency, repeated violation of quarantine and isolation rules will be punishable by up to 3 years in prison.
He also explained when persons will be sentenced to 6 years in prison.
"Certain groups have tried to mislead the public, as if the Georgian Parliament has increased the sanction to 6 years in prison and as if this sanction will be used from now on.
"This is misinformation. I would like to clarify that the decree of the President of Georgia is in force today. We will not use the recently adopted amendments under the current state of emergency. The presidential decree provides for imprisonment up to 3 years and it shall be applied in case of the repeated violation of the administrative law.
"As for the amendments, I would like to explain to the public that we have made changes to the Criminal Code that concerns not only the violation of the state of emergency, but the martial regime as well, and the changes provide for responsibility of up to 6 years in prison in case of repeated violation”, the MP said.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on April 24, 2020, 11:47:24 AM



Hurray!!!



Some Restrictions, Including on Cars, to Be Lifted from April 27
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The movement of private cars and taxis, online shopping, delivery services and open agrarian markets will be allowed in the country from April 27, Prime Minister of Georgia Giorgi Gakharia announced while presenting the anti-crisis economic plan today.
The head of government added that restrictions imposed on the movement of public intercity transport will not be lifted.
The PM noted that the restrictions will be lifted for all companies that comply with the protocol developed by the Ministry of Health.
"On April 27, we will begin the first phase of easing restrictions and opening up the economy, which means that from April 27, it will be fully allowed to drive cars. In addition, the operation of taxis, online shopping - wholesale and retail, delivery of any product and operation of open-type agrarian markets will be fully allowed," he said.
However, citizens will still have to follow protocols developed by the Ministry of Health: for instance, taxi drivers must wear a mask, while special epidemic control mechanisms will be applied in relation to open agrarian markets.
By Ana Dumbadze
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on April 25, 2020, 12:09:50 AM



Government's 6-phase Plan for Reopening Georgian Economy
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On Friday, the Georgian government presented a 6-phase plan to reopen the country’s economy.

The plan will be activated step-by-step with two-week intervals over the next three months. Officials will be monitoring during and in between the phases to make sure that easing the restrictions doesn't cause the pandemic to get out of hand.


The first phase starts on April 27 and from then on it will be allowed to:
Drive private cars. Taxis will begin running again, but not public transportation. While no special permits will be necessary to drive, traveling to and from Tbilisi, Kutaisi, Batumi, and Rustavi will still be limited. On April 27 and 28, as an exception, people will be allowed to drive from or to these four cities, “if and when they are returning to their actual places of domicile,” according to the gov’t press service.
E-commerce. Internet shopping has been restricted since April 1.
Delivery services.
Open-air agricultural markets.


Second phase: May 11 – May 24, from which time the following will be allowed:
Construction works, construction supervision, and manufacturing of construction materials.
Car wash and auto-service facilities.
Computer and home appliance repairs.
Recreation areas will reopen.



Third phase: May 25 – June 7
Retail and wholesale stores reopen. This does not include malls.
Publishing facilities reopen. Restrictions lifted on all types of open markets, all types of production activities

Fourth phase: June 8 – June 21
Shopping malls reopen.
Restaurants and on-site food facilities reopen.
Financial services, beauty salons, and aesthetic medicine facilities reopen.


Fifth phase: June 22 – July 5
All types of markets, on-site restaurants/catering facilities reopen.


Sixth phase - July 6 – July 20
Entertainment, sports, recreational, creative, public gathering activities are allowed
Gambling.
Hotels start welcoming guests.
Educational institutions and all other activities start functioning non-remotely.


All faciliies and businesses regardless of category will have to abide by hygiene standards set by the Ministry of Health, including social distancing measures and wearing of masks in closed commercial and other spaces.

Georgian Prime Minister Giorgi Gakharia outlined on Friday that the gov’t reserves the right to go back to the re-implementation of the restrictions if the pandemic worsens during any phase.

By Nini Dakhundaridze
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on April 26, 2020, 05:51:00 AM



The coronavirus death toll has risen to 6 in Georgia. The infected person, an 83-year-old man, was being treated in the First University Clinic in Tbilisi, and his condition was extremely serious. The deceased had other chronic illnesses along with coronavirus, including arrhythmia.
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At last common sense has come to Georgia. Too bad if it hasn't come to your part of the world, yet.

Tengiz Tsertsvadze: We Have to Learn to Live With Coronavirus
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Health experts have warned that humanity will have to coexist with the threat of coronavirus until a vaccine is developed.
General Director of Tbilisi Infectious Diseases Hospital, Tengiz Tsertsvadze, today said: “The current restrictions will have to be eased at some point as the country has to avoid an economic collapse; this is inevitable, as a lot of our citizens are already facing difficulties. However, we should understand that the lifting of restrictions will increase the risk of infection. We will have to learn to coexist with the virus. Mass testing in these conditions will certainly be helpful.”
By Elene Dzebisashvili
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: msmob on April 26, 2020, 08:35:23 AM


At last common sense has come to Georgia. Too bad if it hasn't come to your part of the world, yet.

Maxx,

You are in the Rep. of Georgia, who closed their borders and locked down EARLY ... hence the option to TRY to open up early ... 

Let's see how 'jubilant' you are if / when quarantine has to come back ...  ((
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on April 28, 2020, 10:37:14 AM


Tbilisi Republican Hospital: Most Critical Patient Beats Coronavirus
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The Head of the Emergency Department at the Republican Hospital, Tea Tavartkiladze, today announced the recovery of an "extremely critical" coronavirus patient, saying two COVID-19 tests have shown negative results.
Tavartkiladze added that two more patients are awaiting their discharge from the clinic.
“The condition of the two coronavirus patients is now stable. We have 4 recovered patients in total, 3 of whom will leave the clinic today. One patient's condition was critical. She has an oncohematological disease, which made it extremely hard to battle the infection. But I would like to inform everyone that the patient has recovered”, she said.
This is not the first case of a critical patient recovering from COVID-19 in Georgia. Doctors have managed to save lives of several critical patients, one of them with hardly 3% chance of survival.
By Elene Dzebisashvili
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on April 28, 2020, 10:38:41 AM



Minister: Georgia No Longer Expecting a Peak, We've Already Reached a Plateau
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The Minister of Health of Georgia, Ekaterine Tikaradze, said that the country is no longer expecting a peak of the coronavirus infection cases in April or May, as it has already reached a plateau as a result of appropriate measures.
She added that the next expectation is to manage the infection on this plateau (reach a state of little or no change after a period of activity or progress).
"Our goal was to avoid a peak in Georgia and to have a plateau. Today, we can say that we are no longer expecting a peak. A number of measures had been taken by the government for this purpose. In addition, our citizens have obeyed all the calls we have been making for two months. We are now seeing the joint result of all this, we are no longer expecting a peak in April or May, we already have a plateau and as a result of appropriate measures, the next expectation is to manage the infection on this plateau so as not to cause economic damage to the state. We can now manage the measures in the healthcare sector to allow the country to achieve economic progress and growth", Tikaradze told Imedi TV.
To date, 511 cases of coronavirus have been confirmed in the country, while 156 patients have recovered and 6 have died.
By Ana Dumbadze
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on April 28, 2020, 11:27:50 AM



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Got a few pieces the fabricator is going to make to seam together the tray where the tray is bussed.


Restaurants can officially open June 8th. Butumi is a closed city now. Khatuna, who I will be using to help me with the Georgian end of things can't get back until May 22nd. She stuck in a small village with her family. Meanwhile Ilona and I are working on the recipes and will doing photographs of the food et cetera. Lots of big and little things to do until Khatuna arrives. The focus has shifted from providing food for tourist (Mostly Slavic) to Georgians. I test marketed the food with the people at the gym and they really liked it. Before that I had tried Chinese food American style. Not a hit. Too sweet for the Georgia pallet. Mexican food, which nobody has ever eaten, was well received.


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The plastic faucet is a temporary measure until we get a hole that needs a special tool to cut into the sink. We had to use a "Turkish cylinder" as the gas company, who we need to get a hook up to the gas main, is closed.


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We need 6 more of these inserts to rest the trays on and 10 of the long inserts. This is the hot dry unit. It doesn't require water. The same thing for the cold unit, no water needed. Water units are problematic with corrosion and humidity.     
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: BillyB on April 28, 2020, 12:00:23 PM

The plastic faucet is a temporary measure until we get a hole that needs a special tool to cut into the sink.


Hole saw is what you need. Or you can take a drill bit and drill small holes to form the size circle you need.

http://www.amazon.com/Drillpro-Hole-Drill-Stainless-Metal/dp/B06XPHQWC9?ref_=fsclp_pl_dp_3
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on April 28, 2020, 02:36:15 PM
Hole saw is what you need. Or you can take a drill bit and drill small holes to form the size circle you need.

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We tried one of those and got nowhere. Just got some scratch marks on the steel. Drilled some holes in it and tried using a reciprocal saw.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on May 01, 2020, 11:38:04 AM
Coronavirus Death Toll Rises to 7 in Georgia
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Georgia has reported a seventh coronavirus-related death today, stopcov.ge reported on Friday evening.
The infected person, an 83-year-old man, was being treated in the First University Clinic in Tbilisi.
Doctor Lali Turdzeladze said that the deceased had severe chronic illness along with coronavirus, in particular, Diabetes Mellitus, and he was one of the most serious patients.
The number of confirmed cases in the country stands at 566, while 207 people have recovered.
5 243 people are in a 14-day mandatory quarantine and 550 are under observation in hospitals.
By Ana Dumbadze
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on May 04, 2020, 11:50:16 PM

"Wearing Face Masks, Social Distancing Become Part of Our Lives" How does that work in a restaurant? How does it work for the owner of the restaurant when he can't seat people back to back and can only seat a third as many people? Does he lay off two-thirds of his waiters and waitresses? Does he turn customers away at the door and make them wait on the sidewalk like they do now at grocery stores? How is this going to affect tourism? Will people travel to Georgia knowing they will have to stand out front of restaurants for hours every day? People seating at restaurants are not like shoppers at grocery stores. They don't quick go in and quick go out. They take their time eating and enjoying each other's company. 

The truth is nobody knows what they are doing. Take for the example the lifting today of the ban on auto mechanics servicing cars. Why wasn't that considered an essentual service? I got a slow air leak in my car's tire. Can't find anyone to replace the tire or fill it with air, until today. My power steering pump also has a slow leak. Can't find anyone to repair it, until today. I am sure I am not alone with these problems. Perhaps it would be best for the government to consult with the common citizens of this country? Would there have been a ban of auto mechanics if they had been consulted first before shutting down their service?

So what is going to happen? Expect life will go on as it once was, with minor adjustments. The manager of the Heathrow Airport said social distancing of keeping two meters apart is just not possible. I've been to the Istanbul airport and imagine a social distancing of two meters apart. The line at passport control would be a kilometer in length! It would have to go outside, maybe on to the runway! No, what will happen is people will understand how impractable social distancing and wearing face masks are. We will have learn to live with the latest flue virus. Perhaps build a "herd immunity" and accept the fact a certain number of people every year will get a virus (They always have). Sweden and New Zealand 2.0. Life HAS to go on as it once did. Without that there will be no economic recovery and no tax revenue to help the people and pay for government.


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Hi Maxx. You are defintely correct in saying nobody knows what they are doing. All of us--normal people and people 'in-charge'--are proceeding as best as we can, deciding based on what info is available and acting on them with the hope that it actually works or at least helps. At least until someone can finally figure all of this out and tell the rest of us how to deal with it. In the meantime, there will be many more inconviences to endure, many more adjustments to make, further loss to bear with...not saying these to be negative but to be able to put things in better perspective. Its hard, no one is going to contest that. Harder for some, not as much for some. If its any consolation, this is one situation where we can all agree no one is benefitting from but we are all trying to minimise its impact in our individual lives.


F (http://www.facebook.com/fermin.morales.777701)M Thank you for your comment.

As heartless as this might sound we must figure a way to use this situation to our advantage. Take me for example. I am in the process of opening Georgia's first Tex-Mex restaurant. I've test marketed this food here in Batumi and it is greatly liked. I will have at least 2 employees that I want to provide a living wage to. And there are others that benefit financially from me living here. My restaurant will probably work if I make it (as I have) as a take-out place. I am not sure you know of the Chipotle model?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=9... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=9&v=65WLfvHGRPM&feature=emb_logo&fbclid=IwAR0dZaPnyKdHN06DJrKnjKt8WxdZDO1DdBDk7b-tlynHOwmuCTHXxMquKJs)

I've modeled my restaurant off of that. Now people can come in and have their burritos, tacos or Mexican sharma made their way with their chosen ingrediants and go out the door and eat it at the beach, in their hotel rooms or across the street in the park in front of the Armenian church. No need to stand and wait for hours to get served.

Honestly I think things will HAVE to go back to normal.

Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: 2tallbill on May 12, 2020, 10:37:20 PM
"Wearing Face Masks, Social Distancing Become Part of Our Lives"

Maxx,

I don't have the answers for you but there are innovative people that have
come up with some. I think if you do some research you can find some that
might help.

Maybe use bench seats with plexiglass on the back push the tables further
apart. There are people coming up with some solutions and I will bet if you
spend 6-8 hours checking out restaurant websites you will come up a creative
solution that could help with your situation. Maybe offer some take out solution
could help as well.

I wish you luck and success!



Bill
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on May 19, 2020, 10:17:18 PM
What I posted in response to the latest round of government madness.


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Damn it! You want tourism to return to Georgia? And get people working and PAYING TAXES again yet you do this to restaurant owners? Do you realize how impractical this is? Who is going to come to Georgia if they can't go to restaurants because they all went out of business due to social distancing rules?

"The Gastronomy Association of Georgia has published a list of requirements for owners of food facilities for work during the COVID-19 period, developed by the National Labor Inspectorate, the National Tourism Administration and the Georgian National Food Agency.

What is required from owner
[/size]s and employees of institutions:[/color]

[/size]- provide advance booking of seats (tables); (Okay, standing practice of reserving tables)[/color]

[/size]- conduct daily thermoscreening (temperature measurement) of visitors and employees of the institution; (Okay, check temperatures even though those with coviid might not show a high temperature) [/color]

[/size]- the distance between the tables in the room should be at least two meters; (Looks like I can only have one table in my restaurant instead of 5)  [/color]

[/size]- the distance between visitors should be at least a meter; (That is why my sole table will have to be up against the far wall and will only seat 4 because if it was longer We'd get within 100 centimeters of visitors.) [/color]

[/size]- no more than six persons are allowed to sit at one table. The exception is members of the same family and adolescents under 12 years of age; (Yet up to ten people can be together according to the new ruling? Should we check IDs to make sure they are in the same family? Should our customers bring their birth certificates with them? )[/color]

[/size]- in order to avoid direct contact of visitors with the bar, it is necessary to provide individual customer service with drinks; (What does this mean?)[/color]

[/size]- if it is not possible to provide a distance between the tables of at least 2 meters, then it is necessary to establish temporary protective barriers; (Somebody is going to make a lot of money selling plywood and other barriers to keep people in cubes. Looks like outside seating is now illegal even with a government permit. Should we or could we put up barriers on the sidewalk for outside seating? Will we need permits for the city for these barriers? How tall are these barriers supposed to be?)[/color]

[/size]- it is necessary to use an individual reception (farewell) of visitors; (What does that entail?)[/color]

[/size]- use printed disposable menus. In the event that an electronic menu is available, then disinfectants should be nearby; (We have a bottle of disinfected on every table. I'll have it put next to the salt and pepper shaker)[/color]

[/size]- Information on measures necessary to prevent COVID-19 should be established in a conspicuous place." (Okay and I'll tell them masks cannot and do not filter out viruses and prolonged use can be harmful to respiratory health. Have you noticed how many people wear their masks below their noses? Are you going fine and put out of business restaurant owners because their cooks stop wearing masks that restrict their breathing? )[/color]
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on May 19, 2020, 11:43:47 PM

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One hundred and forty three centimeters from tip to tip (4 foot 7 inches). To be hung over the kitchen beneath the Texas Flag we have. The Mexican flag will be hung on the wall next to a painting of cactuses.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on May 19, 2020, 11:54:10 PM



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- if it is not possible to provide a distance between the tables of at least 2 meters, then it is necessary to establish temporary protective barriers;


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Sidewalk seating is allowed but we will have to put up "temporary barriers" to force passerbys to keep far enough away. I'll make them out of the cheapest looking material I can find. Like cardboard boxes bums sleep in.




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Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on May 20, 2020, 12:00:41 AM



While mom and pop restaurants need to close big business like McDonalds are allowed to service customers in drive throughs in cars or as pedestrians. They just cannot come inside and place orders.


(http://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49915477222_7469d6616d_b.jpg)


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Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on May 20, 2020, 10:06:30 AM



The reason I post about Georgia and its response to covid-19 is I hope that the people here will see the parallels between this small country and their own.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: msmob on May 20, 2020, 12:29:11 PM
Yup. Georgia has been strict and kept the R zero number down and deaths ...NOT the case in neighbouring nations
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on May 26, 2020, 10:13:48 PM



I decided I am going to take my time in opening my restaurant.


I was hoping to open in early July. But I think it is best to hold off and see how it goes with the coming new regulations and the economy. 


In the meantime I am having fun. Since this is a Tex-Mex restaurant the plants of decorative choice will be cactuses. I am going to find a potter with a kiln (I think what it is called) and hire an art student to paint Mexican art designs on them. Have you seen the cost of genuine Mexican ceramic art? Yikes!


I'll be having parties all the time at my place. This will give us practice. "Us" is Khatuna and I. Khatuna is with her father, mother and sister during lockdown in their village and will be coming back to Batumi this weekend. Sunday she will meet me at my restaurant. We will be preparing the Tex-Mex food for my birthday party at the gym. The owner also has the same birthday.


(http://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49940091433_27db30f4fa_c.jpg)
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: BillyB on May 26, 2020, 10:30:37 PM
I decided I am going to take my time in opening my restaurant.


I thought Georgia made that decision for you but if you want all the credit for making that decision, alrighty then!
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on May 26, 2020, 10:48:25 PM
I thought Georgia made that decision for you but if you want all the credit for making that decision, alrighty then!


I understand and appreciate your humor.


What I meant by that Bill was that even if I could open, and I am supposed to be able June 8th, I am not going to. I think it is quite possible that the Georgia government might impose a lot of rules in regards to social distancing. They have already mentioned using "barriers" if the tables are closer than 2 meters. How high the barriers have to be, they didn't specify. My guess is due to the impracticality of this and the pressure from the tourist industry they will relax their requirements. Think for example doing the 2 meter apart thing at the Batumi or Tbilisi opera. I don't know what percentage of chairs that would have to go empty but it would be very high. I know in my small restaurant where I had room for 6 tables, now due to the 2 meter rule, only 2. Will tourism, which 20+% of the Georgian economy depends upon, return if tourists can't find places in restaurants? Will there be any tourists at all with all the lack of money out there. The only hope is people are REALLY ready to live their lives again.


One advantage Georgia has in all of this is is that Georgians are used to living on very little money.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: BillyB on May 27, 2020, 08:33:42 AM
What I meant by that Bill was that even if I could open, and I am supposed to be able June 8th, I am not going to. I think it is quite possible that the Georgia government might impose a lot of rules in regards to social distancing. They have already mentioned using "barriers" if the tables are closer than 2 meters.


If too many restaurant owners think like you, the ones that do open will get the lions share of the business. In my State, while dining in restaurants are prohibited, take out and drive throughs can stay open. While it's not worth it for a big restaurant to stay open, The small restaurants that do take out and fast food with drive throughs are extremely busy because people are eager to get out of their homes and eat something else. I've never seen drive through lines as long as they are this last month.

Factor in the costs of those barriers and if you feel Georgians still have money in their pockets, they may be eager to go out and eat after having to stay home a long period of time. Also by putting up barriers, hand sanitizer stations and doing other things to show you care, people will be more likely to eat at your place than the other guy who cuts corners and pays the local officials to look the other way.

Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on May 27, 2020, 08:24:06 PM



Shopping Malls, Open-Air Restaurants to Reopen from June 1

"From June 8, all kinds of services will be opened in restaurants. Also, hotels that are inspected by the relevant agencies of the Ministry of Health and have the appropriate permits, will be able to resume functioning. In addition, intercity transport will reopen."
Intercity Transport to Reopen from June 8. (The trains, buses and marsukas will be back in service)