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Title: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on January 18, 2020, 03:33:38 AM



Still the process of starting a Mexican restaurant business in the Republic of Georgia.
Here is some of the costs and rules of doing so.


Government Regulations and Business License:
Bring the rental documents of a business rental to the government center. Then give them a email address where they can contact me. There are two fees to be paid. One for 20 GEL ($6.92). The other 55 GEL ($18.64) and I will get a business license in 4 days. Pay 200 GEL ($67.79) and will get same day service. I will become a  "entrepreneur individual" as they call it. I was told that the tax rate is one percent on all cash flow up to 100,000 GEL ($33,898). If we succeed that I will have to become a LLC and face higher taxes. My next step is to pay a visit to the Revenue Department and get the low down from them. They have a process set up online through a bank to pay them.   


Labor Costs:
The average wage for a food preparer (cook) is 450 GEL a month ($150.00). Yes, a month. I pay Ilona the woman who works for me as a scout, interpreter and helper 1,260 GEL ($427.11) a month. This enough for her to support herself and her two children. I also get her gym membership (80 GEL $27.11) at my gym. She is rather happy about that. She makes sure I get to the gym 3 days a week. So Ilona is rather motivated to make this work. No, we are not involved and never will be. The 40 year, 5 month and 4 day age difference prevents that. 


Rent, the real cost:
The number one expense to be dealt with is rent. More businesses go out of business because of rent.  Tourist season when the streets are packed with tourists starts May 1st.  After August 31st the streets really empty out of tourists. September and October is still pretty good though.


Food Service delivery:
About check that out. The customer pays 2 GEL ($0.67) to one of three delivery services to have his food delivered by scooter. Glovo, Menu.ge and Wolt.


Below is what I can get for $500 a month in rent. It is in the city center the upscale place in Batumi


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Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on January 18, 2020, 03:56:52 AM



I also am dealing with this much money to get this place going:


$1,297.50 (3,828 GEL)in Social Security
 $6000.00 in savings for set up costs. I do however got much of the items already but not the big stuff like refrigerators, stoves and furniture. These we will get used.


With rent and labor costs I am on the edge monthly income wise. The rent $500 a month is for a year. The business does not need to make much money to stay in the black. 


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I got a dandy food processor that makes preparation of the doe for the tortillas really easy. We have perfected our salsa. I seem to remembered GQ saying how important that is.


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Also the tortillas come out well especially after getting our tortilla press. Ilona's children love them! They ask for them by name as they have been taught the word "tortilla." We make them out of quality butter instead of lard.


We make good Mexican browned rice, Mexican potatoes (potato wedges with skin on) and Mexican beans. I got a kilo of cumin seeds, a kilo of Mexican oregano and a kilo of dried Chipotle jalapenos. We make an adobo sauce to marinate the meats and the beans. I've found the Mexican oregano really gives the salsa a real good taste.


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Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on January 18, 2020, 04:07:35 AM
Almost every restaurant here serves Mexican potatoes. I have even seen Mexican hot dogs. It is a hot dog wrapped in Lasha. Lasha is the flour wrap that shaurmas are made of. Sharma shops everywhere. They really have no Mexican food here. There is a large restaurant on the way out of town called the 'Old West'. It is decorated in a Western theme with wagon wheels and large cactus out front. But they have not much in a way of Mexican food. I ordered a chicken fajita the only Mexican food item on the menu besides the potatoes. It came without a tortilla. They just don't know how to make good Mexican food here.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on January 18, 2020, 04:11:30 AM



If we rent the place pictured above I will convert the loft into a lounge. I leave the place I am living at now and save $300 a month in rent. I'll crash on the couch up in the lounge until I see if this business takes off. I'm not fancy.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on January 18, 2020, 04:22:25 AM



And I am down 7 more kilos. 77 kilos, 169 pounds lost so far. My goal is to lose another 29 kilos. I sure don't eat much of my food I make!




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Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on January 18, 2020, 04:29:50 AM



Another food that is not know here is cornbread. Ilona has learned to make very good cornbread. She made some Friday to bring to her friends this weekend. I suggested putting something red and green into it to give it some color. Then call it Mexican cornbread. Ilona doesn't like that so she leaves it out. I told her I was the boss and she is only the decision maker. She thought that was funny.  :D 




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Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on January 18, 2020, 04:42:43 AM



Not shown the photos is a wall that can be painted on. It is opposite of the brick and stone wall. The landlady said we can't touch the brick and stone wall and we wouldn't want to. Ilona knows a mural artist. I've seen her work and she is very, very good! We might have her paint some murals for us. Something like in the style of the painting below.


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And we'll get some sombreros and cactuses. Maybe get a chainsaw artist to carve up some Mexican theme carving to catch the eye of passerbys. Tables can be set up on the sidewalk. Lots to do!






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Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: jone on January 18, 2020, 10:07:27 AM
Maxx,

Fun news.   However, it is time to actually start your business.   Unless this is an elegant hobby, making money is the ultimate objective of any business activity.   You can't do that unless your doors are open.

Good luck.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: fathertime on January 18, 2020, 06:50:25 PM


I also am dealing with this much money to get this place going:


$1,297.50 (3,828 GEL)in Social Security
 $6000.00 in savings for set up costs. I do however got much of the items already but not the big stuff like refrigerators, stoves and furniture. These we will get used.


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Damn I didn't realize that you were living on $1,297 a month SS.  I'm really pleasantly surprised you are able to have a little extra after expenses.  That really is a tight budget.   

Fathertime! 
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on January 19, 2020, 01:06:37 AM
Maxx,

Fun news.  However, it is time to actually start your business.   Unless this is an elegant hobby, making money is the ultimate objective of any business activity.   You can't do that unless your doors are open.

Good luck.


Worse comes to worse I lose $6000 (Money I set aside from savings) and go back to being the retired guy. I've got a lot to do before I open my doors for business. Things get busy here starting in May.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: JayH on January 19, 2020, 02:01:01 AM
Maxx -- I wish you all the best and success in your venture /

Even more plaudits for  (as Australians say)  --having a go ! :clapping:

Good luck ! ;D
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on January 19, 2020, 02:20:46 AM
Maxx -- I wish you all the best and success in your venture /

Even more plaudits for  (as Australians say)  --having a go ! :clapping:

Good luck ! ;D


Thanks JayH! It is fun but a little stressful plotting all of this. Tomorrow I pick up Ilona and we will go to the gym and do our workouts. Monday is chest and triceps day. The push muscles. I keep a detailed notebook of my progress in regard to weights and repetitions. It is Sunday early afternoon now. I've been fasting since Friday night. I'll break my fast after my workout session at the gym tomorrow (early afternoon). Ilona wants to make tacos afterwards. I have some Chipotle chicken with their adobo sauce in the refrigerator. She thought it was too strong but the tortillas, lettuce and tomato tend to soften the spiciness of it. Tuesday will be the Revenue Service visit for getting the instructions on taxes.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on January 19, 2020, 05:28:23 AM
 

Damn I didn't realize that you were living on $1,297 a month SS.  I'm really pleasantly surprised you are able to have a little extra after expenses.  That really is a tight budget.   

Fathertime!


Thanks Fathertime for being pleasantly surprised I can make it on $1297 a month. It is considered big money over here. I am the only guy I know who is paying lifetime spousal support out of his SS to his American ex-wife of 20 years. I should be getting about $600 more. And I'll will need to report my income to the IRS. And my bank account to the Department of Treasury if more than $10,000 runs through it. I was restricted to starting a business outside the US until I reached full retirement age (66). If I did my my SS would be cut off. Americans are the least free people in the world! When I step back and look at the big picture I am hesitant about getting involved with any of this. My government is my biggest enemy! Such stress thinking about all the ways that bad can happen to me! Maybe GQ is right? Yet, I have to push forward. Why? Out of all of this I hope to find a good woman.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on January 19, 2020, 05:32:34 AM
Yet, I have to push forward. Why? Out of all of this I hope to find a good woman.


Interestedly recently I've had three women taking an interest in me.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: BillyB on January 19, 2020, 02:38:21 PM
Out of all of this I hope to find a good woman.


The way to a woman's heart is through her stomach! Get that restaurant opened!
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: msmob on January 20, 2020, 01:50:29 AM
At a time when flights from the biggest tourist supply ( Russia) are banned and I see how some of the busiest restaurant qtrs of Tblisi are DEAD in winter...I wonder at your plan but kudos for trying.

Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Patagonie on January 20, 2020, 06:35:31 AM

Thanks Fathertime for being pleasantly surprised I can make it on $1297 a month. It is considered big money over here. I am the only guy I know who is paying lifetime spousal support out of his SS to his American ex-wife of 20 years. I should be getting about $600 more. And I'll will need to report my income to the IRS. And my bank account to the Department of Treasury if more than $10,000 runs through it. I was restricted to starting a business outside the US until I reached full retirement age (66). If I did my my SS would be cut off. Americans are the least free people in the world! When I step back and look at the big picture I am hesitant about getting involved with any of this. My government is my biggest enemy! Such stress thinking about all the ways that bad can happen to me! Maybe GQ is right? Yet, I have to push forward. Why? Out of all of this I hope to find a good woman.

 
High five Maxx for your new project, 
Nice idea,
Wish you the best for the incoming season.
 
I couldn't believe that you are still paying to your ex wife spousal support, disgusting western states who consider men as slaves !
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: GQBlues on January 20, 2020, 09:49:48 AM
.. Such stress thinking about all the ways that bad can happen to me! Maybe GQ is right?

I don't give a rat's arse where my sentiment lies in everyone's mind, maxx. Just based on your posted situation, I personally feel the prospect is not a very good one, much less promising. But whatever you do, I wish you the very best of all possibilities you embark upon.

For one...

Yet, I have to push forward. Why? Out of all of this I hope to find a good woman.

That, in of itself, tells me you're doing this for all the wrong reason. If nothing else, your priorities are backwards at best, if not downright destructive.

If finding a good woman is your ultimate goal, then put all your honest energy in that instead. What's wrong with that approach?
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on January 20, 2020, 10:47:41 AM
But whatever you do, I wish you the very best of all possibilities you embark upon.


Thanks!


Whether I succeed in this or fail in it, it is not the end of the world for me. Interestedly for me, is you are on the same side as Moby!  :D  Except an important difference... you wish me well... he doesn't.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: msmob on January 20, 2020, 02:04:01 PM

Thanks!


Whether I succeed in this or fail in it, it is not the end of the world for me. Interestedly for me, is you are on the same side as Moby!  :D  Except an important difference... you wish me well... he doesn't.

Maxx,

As ever, you aren't reading people well.. I'd be MORE than happy to be proven wrong .. I said KUDOS  to you for trying
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: BillyB on January 20, 2020, 03:13:08 PM
Whether I succeed in this or fail in it, it is not the end of the world for me.


You're right. Most businesses fail and if this restaurant doesn't succeed, you still have guaranteed money coming from the pension you get. You will be able to save up again and open up another Tex Mex restaurant. It took Edison 10,000 attempts to get the light bulb working right and he proved to everybody he could get it done. Edison wasn't too bright(no pun intended). You're smarter than Edison and should be able to open a successful Tex Mex restaurant in half the attempts!
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Boethius on January 20, 2020, 03:15:22 PM
I couldn't believe that you are still paying to your ex wife spousal support, disgusting western states who consider men as slaves !


It's quite common to split pension rights in the West.  Men can get out of that by paying a lump sum at the time of settlement, if the woman agrees.  Factors which ameliorate the payment are the wife's pension income (if she had one, he would be entitled to a share of her pension), length of marriage, and whether or not the wife worked.


Good luck, Maxx.  I assume you will need to purchase a lot more kitchen equipment.  If you can restrict your lease to one year, do so.  In your shoes, I'd probably try for a fast food type model, or a stand, rather than a sit down location.


This post was composed without the aid of google.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: ML on January 21, 2020, 09:50:36 AM
I think Maxx is talking about having to pay his wife some of his Social Security income, not from any private pension plan.

Actually, former spouses can draw some Social Security income directly from SS based on marriage to a person without any directive from a divorce proceeding.

So I suspect his ex wife is getting that income.

However, in addition to that money which every former spouse can get directly from SS (there are some qualifications related to age, length of marriage, etc.) . . .

It seems that, in this case, Maxx's divorce settlement requires him to pay ex wife some additional money out of his own Social Security income.

Maxx can clarify.

- - - - - - -

More on Social Security payments.

The SS plan is quite liberal as to who can get some payments and from what relationship.

For instance:  (I will use wife getting from husband's account because that is the most common, but applies the other way around also.)

Wife and husband divorce.  Wife remarries and at some point, starts drawing SS based on her second husband's SS record.  Wife has never worked.
Second husband dies, wife still gets SS based on his record.  However, she can switch and get SS from first husband if that amount would be greater.  This can happen even if first husband has a second wife who is also getting SS based on his record.
Or wife can divorce second husband, and start drawing SS based on first husband's record.

Again, there are some requirements regarding age, length of marriages, etc.
And, the rules have been modified over the years, and will be modified again in the future.

Also, if wife has worked, she can draw from husband's account for a period of time, and then switch to drawing from her own account at some point.  This is sometimes advantageous because one's own SS amount goes up significantly if they wait until full retirement age rather than start drawing at minimum age of 62.
Title: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: 2tallbill on January 21, 2020, 10:31:16 AM

It's quite common to split pension rights in the West.  Men can get out of that by paying a lump sum at the time of settlement, if the woman agrees.  Factors which ameliorate the payment are the wife's pension income (if she had one, he would be entitled to a share of her pension), length of marriage, and whether or not the wife worked.

What if he made $200 in income per month, an exwife
would be entitled to half of that? In my mind there should
be a threshold that he doesn't have to go below.

Title: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: 2tallbill on January 21, 2020, 10:37:15 AM
Maxx,

Restaurants are a tough business. They require nearly constant
attention especially on holidays, weekends and evenings.

In the beginning the problems are overhead and cashflow and
there is always watching whoever touches the money and then
the next problem is building a reserve for the ups and downs.
I hope for your continued success. I appreciate you coming here
and blogging about your experience. If I were single and 7 years
older, I would be jealous!

Udachi! ts’armat’ebebi!

Bill   

Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Boethius on January 21, 2020, 01:39:20 PM
What if he made $200 in income per month, an exwife would be entitled to half of that? In my mind there should be a threshold that he doesn't have to go below.


If that were the case, presumably the ex would have had her own source of income, as no one can live on $200 per month.


This post was composed without the aid of google.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on January 22, 2020, 12:08:04 AM
I think Maxx is talking about having to pay his wife some of his Social Security income, not from any private pension plan.

Actually, former spouses can draw some Social Security income directly from SS based on marriage to a person without any directive from a divorce proceeding.

So I suspect his ex wife is getting that income.

However, in addition to that money which every former spouse can get directly from SS (there are some qualifications related to age, length of marriage, etc.) . . .

It seems that, in this case, Maxx's divorce settlement requires him to pay ex wife some additional money out of his own Social Security income.

Maxx can clarify.

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My Social Security income should be about $1800 a month. My ex-wife while I was in the Republic of Georgia petitioned the court in Minnesota for a portion of my SS. She got over $1000 of it because I failed to show (her plan) for the trial. I got the papers the day before the 21 days to respond came. My monthly income went down to $684. So I had to travel back to Minnesota in 2016 and lived with my mother who was in her last days. Eventually my ex-wife by pressure from our two daughters agreed to a equal portion, 50-50. So $1711 at that time (about $1800 this time) went to $1370. This was from a Minnesota court. But two years ago she appealed to the Federal court and got another 10%. Now she gets what I used to get and I get about what she was supposed to get. We were married over 25 years so according to Minnesota (liberal State) law she can get life time spousal support.


I am about leave to pick up my helper in this business. Three days a week we go to the gym and do our workouts. She has two duties, help me scout this business out and push me to the gym. Today is the fifth day of my fast. I haven't eaten a thing since Friday night (Wednesday late morning now). Coffee with creme and water is all I consume. That and my nutritional supplements I have in the refrigerator. I am dropping weight fast and am feeling full of energy. Got to go!
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: GQBlues on January 22, 2020, 10:36:09 AM

Thanks!

Whether I succeed in this or fail in it, it is not the end of the world for me. Interestedly for me, is you are on the same side as Moby!  :D  Except an important difference... you wish me well... he doesn't.

Maxx-

One night during the holiday period while having dinner with our folks, you came to mind. There had been this restaurant crazed in LA for a good while now. It even have a massive appeal to millennials as they represent a great deal of the eating patrons in these establishments (you have no idea who difficult it is to compete with smart phones for millennials approval much less attention these days). Wherever you go. which ever restaurant it is, these places are always packed.

I took the crew out to a Korean Barbeque (http://www.google.com/search?q=korean+barbeque&rlz=1C1GCEU_enUS876US876&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiJ-ryv2JfnAhWDMX0KHWlUAc0Q_AUoAnoECBIQBA&biw=1280&bih=578&dpr=1.5).

Now I relate this experience with you because a) Our crew consisted of wifey's sister (lives in Germany/Turkey) and BIL (married to sis, Turk, 1st time in LA), SIL from Canada, nephew, my brother and wife (Christian Lebanese)+ kid, my BFF and son - thus this isn't just an 'American' traditional influence; b) the seemingly 'easy' way to a successful restaurant biz...

1. The menu isn't compose of tens of varieties of cooked/prepared entrees..Korean Barbeque restaurants is an 'all-you-can-eat' deal consisting of roughly 3-6 different combinations. Dessert, the drinks..
2. The staple is very easy and is readily available anywhere in the world - meat. 'Combinations have 5-6 different kinds and your set. As long as it can be sliced then frozen - you're set as you can serve them 'frozen'. Some do marinate the meat, but that can be an option for you. You'll compliment this with Korean sauces (mustard/ponzu/sweet soy sauce) and varying types of Kim Chi. fresh vegies, seaweed, salt/pepper, maybe miso or some easy to make soup. The only thing you'll need to remember is never mix serve anything 'Chinese' to a Korean/Japanese dinner serving.

These restaurants in LA right now is literally 'fail safe'. VERY cheap to start and people will not only love the food, they'll embrace the ambiance and setup.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyB3bhKiffM
 

(Mind you, just throwing out an idea out there for you, ok?)

An aside: Just curiuos...You mentioned upthread you plan on serving some of Mejico's cervezas, I wonder how much is a liquor license in Georgia, if there's any? Here in LA, the cost of a liquor license cost as much as a single family home. That's largely why alcoholic beverages are very expensive in restaurants and bars.


Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: 2tallbill on January 22, 2020, 02:01:57 PM

My Social Security income should be

Just a question, once she gets to 67 years old or whatever, wouldn't
her social security kick in and stop her from getting a piece of yours?
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Patagonie on January 22, 2020, 02:34:18 PM

It's quite common to split pension rights in the West.  Men can get out of that by paying a lump sum at the time of settlement, if the woman agrees.  Factors which ameliorate the payment are the wife's pension income (if she had one, he would be entitled to a share of her pension), length of marriage, and whether or not the wife worked.


Good luck, Maxx.  I assume you will need to purchase a lot more kitchen equipment.  If you can restrict your lease to one year, do so.  In your shoes, I'd probably try for a fast food type model, or a stand, rather than a sit down location.


This post was composed without the aid of google.
We don't have such a thing in France.
We have the compensatory alimony, a capital that should be paid after the divorce.
The spousal support while waiting the divorce to been achieved.
The reversion pension WHEN YOU ARE DEAD, this is a fraction of the pension after you have left the workforce  (55%) given to the ex spouse and shared bewteen the different ex spouses to make it simple.

Nowadays 93% of women have the benefit of reversion's pension. 
Why not, but why men, dying 7 years before women enjoy almost 50% of time pension less than women, why their retirment time  from the workforce don't happen 7 years before women ? An other inequality never discussed. And above all it is reproched to the men to earn more. Partially because they almost all perform outdoors job, the most dangerous. But finally women at the end are quite happy that they become dead meat as 93% of the time the get good money from the well hung dead in France.
 
So if I resume it would have been better for Max to divorce before she could claims any right on her SS pension. Better for him to divorce to protect himself rather than waiting her to divorce and screw up a man getting older and forcing him to emigrate in a low cost country.THAT's absolutely disgusting for me, I want to vomit, and all those "put the name you like" are proud of this system?
Is this the new feminism, a new world of a rearranging domination where the roles are simply reversed with the blessing of the law ? What a beautiful new world !


Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Patagonie on January 22, 2020, 02:36:27 PM
I think Maxx is talking about having to pay his wife some of his Social Security income, not from any private pension plan.

Actually, former spouses can draw some Social Security income directly from SS based on marriage to a person without any directive from a divorce proceeding.

So I suspect his ex wife is getting that income.

However, in addition to that money which every former spouse can get directly from SS (there are some qualifications related to age, length of marriage, etc.) . . .

It seems that, in this case, Maxx's divorce settlement requires him to pay ex wife some additional money out of his own Social Security income.

Maxx can clarify.

- - - - - - -

More on Social Security payments.

The SS plan is quite liberal as to who can get some payments and from what relationship.

For instance:  (I will use wife getting from husband's account because that is the most common, but applies the other way around also.)

Wife and husband divorce.  Wife remarries and at some point, starts drawing SS based on her second husband's SS record.  Wife has never worked.
Second husband dies, wife still gets SS based on his record.  However, she can switch and get SS from first husband if that amount would be greater.  This can happen even if first husband has a second wife who is also getting SS based on his record.
Or wife can divorce second husband, and start drawing SS based on first husband's record.

Again, there are some requirements regarding age, length of marriages, etc.
And, the rules have been modified over the years, and will be modified again in the future.

Also, if wife has worked, she can draw from husband's account for a period of time, and then switch to drawing from her own account at some point.  This is sometimes advantageous because one's own SS amount goes up significantly if they wait until full retirement age rather than start drawing at minimum age of 62.

 
Thank for the informations ML
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on January 25, 2020, 02:00:47 AM



Sorry folks for not answering everyones' questions. We've been busy investigating costs and complications of running a business in the Republic of Georgia.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on January 25, 2020, 02:55:24 AM

Good luck, Maxx. I assume you will need to purchase a lot more kitchen equipment.  If you can restrict your lease to one year, do so.  In your shoes, I'd probably try for a fast food type model, or a stand, rather than a sit down location.



The reason I'm going to the restaurant route instead of a cart/stand is because I can live upstairs in the loft and save myself from paying rent of an apartment, $500 of business rent verses $300 a month of apartment. If the restaurant becomes successful my plan is to rent an apartment upstairs that my landlord and landlady own. She is on her way to Canada right now and her husband (Georgians) is going to follow her in a few months. In a few months the tourist season starts. I picked a good spot because there is a bar just down the street called the "Irish Bar" that attracts a lot of Western tourists.


Now to the photos of restaurant equipment we will need to purchase.


(http://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49437575548_e1ba9ac30a_b.jpg)




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It is 90 centimeters wide. Which is about half again as wide as a standard size stove.


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$400


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$230   It is quite large


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We need two of these. Our plan to model the food and service off of Chipotle. So three kinds of meat, beef, pork and chicken. Then rice with cilantro, Mexican fried rice and beans. They are warmers.


Cost 670 GEL each, total of $462. 


We will also need 8 pans for keeping the food cool. Lettuce, cheese, diced tomatoes, diced onions, salsa, corn salsa, sour creme and guacamole.


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And a stainless steel table to put them on/in. Cost 650 GEL ($224) and we will need a sneeze guard.


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Ilona checking pans


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A used stainless steel commercial sink. Cost 150 GEL, $50


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3 tables at 150 GEL each, $150 for 3. We think three more smaller ones will be enough. With city permission we can put tables and chairs outside.


Chairs, haven't figured out yet on how many.


Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on January 25, 2020, 03:29:06 AM
Maxx-

An aside: Just curiuos...You mentioned upthread you plan on serving some of Mejico's cervezas, I wonder how much is a liquor license in Georgia, if there's any? Here in LA, the cost of a liquor license cost as much as a single family home. That's largely why alcoholic beverages are very expensive in restaurants and bars.

We talked to a Ukrainian restauranteur about the business conditions here. The rules, requirements and taxes. We've also inquired at the Government center.


There is no liquor license needed. When getting the business license which cost about $25 there is a box to be checked off on the application form. This is to state that we'll be surviving alcohol. The type of alcohol, beer, wine or hard liquor they don't care. This is true of all the little stores her. There is no zoning laws. If you want to turn your garage or the front of your house into a store that sells liquor nobody including the government cares.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on January 25, 2020, 03:41:15 AM
We don't have such a thing in France.
We have the compensatory alimony, a capital that should be paid after the divorce.
The spousal support while waiting the divorce to been achieved.
The reversion pension WHEN YOU ARE DEAD, this is a fraction of the pension after you have left the workforce  (55%) given to the ex spouse and shared bewteen the different ex spouses to make it simple.

Nowadays 93% of women have the benefit of reversion's pension. 
Why not, but why men, dying 7 years before women enjoy almost 50% of time pension less than women, why their retirment time  from the workforce don't happen 7 years before women ? An other inequality never discussed. And above all it is reproched to the men to earn more. Partially because they almost all perform outdoors job, the most dangerous. But finally women at the end are quite happy that they become dead meat as 93% of the time the get good money from the well hung dead in France.
 
So if I resume it would have been better for Max to divorce before she could claims any right on her SS pension. Better for him to divorce to protect himself rather than waiting her to divorce and screw up a man getting older and forcing him to emigrate in a low cost country.THAT's absolutely disgusting for me, I want to vomit, and all those "put the name you like" are proud of this system?
Is this the new feminism, a new world of a rearranging domination where the roles are simply reversed with the blessing of the law ? What a beautiful new world !


I do not but I know I can't change it. For me it is like the serenity prayer:


God, grant me the Serenity
To accept the things I cannot change...
Courage to change the things I can,
And Wisdom to know the difference.

 
There are somethings I try not to think about. But have to, to keep bad things from happening to me.

Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on January 25, 2020, 04:30:08 AM
Maxx-

One night during the holiday period while having dinner with our folks, you came to mind. There had been this restaurant crazed in LA for a good while now. It even have a massive appeal to millennials as they represent a great deal of the eating patrons in these establishments (you have no idea who difficult it is to compete with smart phones for millennials approval much less attention these days). Wherever you go. which ever restaurant it is, these places are always packed.

I took the crew out to a Korean Barbeque (http://www.google.com/search?q=korean+barbeque&rlz=1C1GCEU_enUS876US876&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiJ-ryv2JfnAhWDMX0KHWlUAc0Q_AUoAnoECBIQBA&biw=1280&bih=578&dpr=1.5).

Now I relate this experience with you because a) Our crew consisted of wifey's sister (lives in Germany/Turkey) and BIL (married to sis, Turk, 1st time in LA), SIL from Canada, nephew, my brother and wife (Christian Lebanese)+ kid, my BFF and son - thus this isn't just an 'American' traditional influence; b) the seemingly 'easy' way to a successful restaurant biz...

1. The menu isn't compose of tens of varieties of cooked/prepared entrees..Korean Barbeque restaurants is an 'all-you-can-eat' deal consisting of roughly 3-6 different combinations. Dessert, the drinks..
2. The staple is very easy and is readily available anywhere in the world - meat. 'Combinations have 5-6 different kinds and your set. As long as it can be sliced then frozen - you're set as you can serve them 'frozen'. Some do marinate the meat, but that can be an option for you. You'll compliment this with Korean sauces (mustard/ponzu/sweet soy sauce) and varying types of Kim Chi. fresh vegies, seaweed, salt/pepper, maybe miso or some easy to make soup. The only thing you'll need to remember is never mix serve anything 'Chinese' to a Korean/Japanese dinner serving.

These restaurants in LA right now is literally 'fail safe'. VERY cheap to start and people will not only love the food, they'll embrace the ambiance and setup.

 

(Mind you, just throwing out an idea out there for you, ok?)



I watched the video.



I appreciate everyones ideas. Even the cautionary ones because they help me understand where I might need to keep my guard up.


All-you-can-eat has been on my mind for the last few years. One thing I've noticed is how niggardly the restaurants are here to portion sizes even of inexpensive food (Rice and wheat products). In my opinion the business people here are not so smart. They have little imagination about things that might bring them additional business.


Back in 2018 I had the idea of replicating a successful restaurant chain. The owner, Peter, was a Chinese-American businessman. We were friendly acquaintances. Fellow businessmen often respect each other. Peter's restaurant is called the Rose Garden had a "buffet" from 11 to 2.  It was always packed. He has 2  restaurants .maybe a third all modeled off his idea. http://www.rosegardencr.com/coonrapids.html (http://www.rosegardencr.com/coonrapids.html)


What they did different was the all-you-can-eat was brought out in glass bowls and the servers would go from table to table. The food fresh off the kitchen wok and still steaming. The soft drinks were in cans and at room temperature. The glasses came with crushed ice. That tended to dilute the drinks with water. I thought refrigerated soft drinks with glasses of ice cubes would be much better but Peter had made that choice. A lot of people here (Georgia) do not like cold drinks.


One of the things we haven't checked yet is the cost of a soft drink machine. Or the cost of the beverage. I know the refrigerators are given out as free for their advertisement and the promise of buying more of their product.


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There are three refrigerators outside of a store I used to go to. The store closed which as a little sad for me because the cashier and I were hitting it off. She was so good looking!


Anyway if the price isn't too expensive I'll do what they do in the States, free refills. And maybe courteous cups with lids They just do not do that here. I'll have to do what Chipotle does, an extra meat charge and a guacamole charge. Avocados are unfortunately seasonal here. Turkey, which is 8 miles from me, is trying to change that though. 
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Title: Taxes, Taxes, Taxes
Post by: Maxx2 on January 25, 2020, 05:23:49 AM



From the government center and our Ukrainian restauranteur.


There are 5 types of taxes here. Income tax, import tax, employee tax, rent tax and 1% tax on cash flow.


There is a tax status for businessmen called Individual Entrepreneur. I costs about $25 to get it and a 4 day wait. Every Lari the businessman receives is to be run through a cash register that has an online connection to a bank and to their Revenue Department. 1% of the first 100,000 Lari (GEL) is automatically deducted. 100,000 GEL is $34,482. So your first $34,482 is taxed at 1% ($344.82).

If you exceed 100,000 GEL you get bumped into the 18% higher income tax bracket on earnings above this. Very few people here make that kind of money.

There is a 20% employee tax to be paid to the Revenue Department. Tax laws here are not criminalized like they are in the States. People do not get arrested for cheating on their taxes. Not reporting income is very, very common. Often times employees receive 2 incomes, official and money under the table. It is a way for them to avoid paying more taxes.

The final tax is the 20% rent tax. When applying for a business license the rent documents, the lease, is shown. Then once a month 20% of the rent is to be sent to the Revenue Department. Often with the lease, like the employee's pay, games are played.

Like in the States, taxes are something employees rarely worry about. Like in the States it is only the business owners that need to be concerned. But I am told few do as things are rather slack as far as tax enforcement.

The nice thing about Georgia's business environment is there is no need to keep receipts and hire bookkeepers. Poor countries cannot afford such "luxuries".

AND there is no sales tax. No property tax. GQ, could you tell us how high California's sales, income and property taxes are?

But, there is an import tax of 18% on products exceeding 300 GEL ($100). Zero % if under that amount. To avoid paying the import tax people get multiple accounts to have their import products shipped to or use their friends' accounts.  Everyone knows this. Tax avoidance is a part of life here.

My estimate of monthly taxes I will pay on this business is about $150.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on January 25, 2020, 05:47:58 AM


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Orange tree with fruit and snick (snow) on the ground.


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Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on January 26, 2020, 08:46:56 AM
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Working around Ilona my employee can be rather distracting

Title: Re: Taxes, Taxes, Taxes
Post by: GQBlues on January 26, 2020, 08:55:49 AM
...AND there is no sales tax. No property tax. GQ, could you tell us how high California's sales, income and property taxes are?

But, there is an import tax of 18% on products exceeding 300 GEL ($100). Zero % if under that amount. To avoid paying the import tax people get multiple accounts to have their import products shipped to or use their friends' accounts.  Everyone knows this. Tax avoidance is a part of life here.

My estimate of monthly taxes I will pay on this business is about $150.


Well, you do know of course State is not the only one that sucks up monies from people and businesses, right? The Feds of course, shares in the loot. It appears, based on what I'm reading from your post, Georgia at least have only one loot center.

But having said that, I'll brush over your Q. We'll exclude any/all FLM (Federal Looting Machination).

California tax system is higher than the national average, if not downright the highest taxed State. A lot of businesses had relocated to neighboring States like NV, AZ, NM and even the Long Horn State because of it. What keeps many still tempted to stay is the sheer fact California boast the highest combined economic engine in the nation. Even rivaling most nations globally. Bigger than that of Canada, IINM, if not comparable.

So anyway, Businesses Tax(es): There's 3 types of taxation - Corporate, AMT (Alt. Min. Tax) and Franchise Tax. Depending what 'type of business' determines which category you fall under e.g. Corporation, LLC, P-T (Pass-Through), S-Corp., etc..IINM, pass-through businesses are liable for double taxation. These taxation systems are all in Naty's wheelhouse. She's in what they refer to as FI (Financial Institution) department. She handles C-Corps, S-Corps, Banks, etc...Not very familiar in the details of these...

There are other things that (small) businesses get hit with. A.B. 5 (Assembly Bill No. 5) for example. A new policy state law, passed last summer and effective AO January 1, 2020; that affects transport companies which results in addition financial strain. Cost which ultimately goes to the general public. Gas Tax is another. For every gallon of gas, the State takes about $0.50+/- off it. Each year, retail gas consumption is in the range of 14-15 billion gallons. Now think of that a little bit. Literally Cal-Trans takes in $  7-almost 8 billion dollars every year!!! Then people like jone and fathertime goes out and voted for measure they absolutely know nothing about last election (NO on proposition 6)  and gave the State carte blanche to raise our gas tax even more anytime they please, unannounced, from now on. Cal-Trans takes in approximately 4 times Georgia's annual GDP.

Regulations - that's another dandy of a looting system. The last euro-stooge levied so much regulations against businesses causing the massive hiring of government employees and get them in Unions to regulate it. In short order, this was one of the nastier tactic he did to 'take from the alleged rich., It matters not if they're a small family-owned or start-up businesses. The silly 8 years only saw massive hiring of unqualified small demographic sector in our governments. Anyone in California can tell you the expanded hiring at any of our DMV, causing it to be even more inefficient. You'd think you're in a different country upon entering any DMV by the looks of the people working there. Now, one actually can pay an additional fee to make up for their inefficiencies and/or to circumvent it and handle it 'online'. Then add in ACA, yadayadayada whatever...one begins to understand the 'agenda'.

Sales Tax: Statewide, I think it's in the 6-7.5% baseline. Cities and/or Counties further assess their share of the loot. If that isn't enough, districts within those municipalities add in their additional local a$$essment charges. For example, L.A. charges a whopping 9.5%, yet within this, zip codes also determines exactly what the rate will ultimately be. While B.H. is at 9.5%, Long Beach I think had theirs raised to 10.25%. Last report I saw had California having the highest *combined* State and Local sales tax assessment.

Property Tax: General PT is still $10.00 per $1,000 value. Again, local municipalities determines final assessment. Some localities are assessed 1.25+%.

State Income Tax (add Local & SDI to that): State baseline rate is from 1-12.3%. Your AGI determines what tax rate you fall into. Once again, this is separate from Local, SDI assessment. Taps out at 12.3% but for anyone making over a $1 million/yr, an additional 1% is added and is slated for the cost of Mental Health care. It's California after all, you know. Crazies are considered handicapped and they get to roam around statewide on different social programs while they attend hundreds of protests in the middle of the work week and preach righteous bullshits against those who labored and earned their millions. You know, the usual whiny liberals, snowflakes, antifa, etc...

As for poor people like us, for example, since I get paid $8.23/hr, my year end AGI puts me in the 1% bracket. Wifey's salary is less than mine at $6.92/hr ( btw, based on her rapid accent in her career, she can and will easily surpassed me soon enough), and had she been a single tax filer, not only will she be in the 1 percenter, she may even get some state credits or be entitled in some stupid loser social entitlements. Yes, she's also a loser like me. She's a 'salaried' Californian. Works so much she never have time to bask in the sun, man. Poor thing..Our combined AGI places us at about maybe in the 2-3% bracket I would guess, eh. Really tough for us living comfortably in the heart of all the glitz and bling of Hollywood in this regard. Still baffles me how we managed to make ends meet every year, man.

But don't get me wrong, as bad as the above may seem on the surface, many of it is just. It can get ridiculous and worst. like getting duped and robbed taxed for one's personal gain like this (http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/harry-and-meghans-big-funding-source-is-private-sort-of/ar-BBZkYRQ?li=BBnb7Kz).

Maxx, I can understand pensioners like yourself making ends meet in places like Mejico, So. America and or even where you are, Georgia. It is when you read *alleged financially successful* idiots making do in oppressed or economically challenged regions, while perpetually pretending living large, the optics just doesn't fit the frame, know I mean?

Anyway- going back to my initial post i.e. Korean Barbeque, I hope you'd really consider. Food cost percentage is absurdly low in comparison. Minimal food preparation since patrons does all the 'cooking'. Minimal food waste since the main entry is either frozen or marinated. Readily available and easy to supply staples like meat and vegetables. Kim Chis are very easy to prepare and keep fresh. The only thing you'll 'cook' is either rice and or maybe soup. Which culture doesn't enjoy a good sitting of barbeque and beers/drinks?

Lastly dude, please, as for the uninvited, annoying outside noise, I hope I don't need to remind you the phrase: *fool on you once, shame on that scumbag - fool on you twice - will only make you a blaring sorry SOB and an idiot*. Loneliness sometimes can make people like you very vulnerable. Once people show you their true character, don't let it bite your ass again. Watch your 6, man. Never let a beast enter your home - twice.
Title: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: 2tallbill on January 26, 2020, 11:24:45 AM
Warning slightly off topic:

There is a Georgian word "shemomedjamo"

You know when you’re full, but your food is so tasty you keep
eating it? "Shemomedjamo" means “I accidentally ate the whole thing."

Mostly off topic continued.

Georgian word Zeg means the day after tomorrow.

Sansvla and chama are the Georgian words for eat.

Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: ML on January 26, 2020, 11:40:18 AM
"Shemomedjamo" means “I accidentally ate the whole thing."



TV commercial a hundred years ago for a stomach antacid:

"I can't believe I ate the whole thing!!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFKifpMtlNs
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on January 27, 2020, 09:25:16 PM
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Got the keys. The rent is $500 a month. Four businesses down is 'The Irish Bar". A lot of Western tourists go there. Two businesses down is an Indian restaurant.  I am going to try to sell tourist agencies the idea of coming to my Tex-Mex restaurant.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: BillyB on January 27, 2020, 10:04:32 PM

Looks like a cozy place. Not a lot of room on the sidewalk for outdoor tables though. Now you need a sign or someone to draw up the restaurant name in fancy lettering on the window "Maxx's Wet and Wild in Your Face Tex Mex Food and Marriage Agency". Not everybody walking down the sidewalk is looking for food. Some look for marriage.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on January 27, 2020, 10:39:34 PM
Looks like a cozy place. Not a lot of room on the sidewalk for outdoor tables though. Now you need a sign or someone to draw up the restaurant name in fancy lettering on the window "Maxx's Wet and Wild in Your Face Tex Mex Food and Marriage Agency". Not everybody walking down the sidewalk is looking for food. Some look for marriage.


Thanks Billy! You give me such good ideas!


Worse comes to worse I can turn it into an apartment. 


I am really excited by the walls. It is like it was meant to be a Tex-Mex restaurant.


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Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: jone on January 27, 2020, 11:02:33 PM
Great choice, Maxx.   

Now come the fixtures.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on January 28, 2020, 03:46:31 AM
Great choice, Maxx.   

Now come the fixtures.


We are figuring the furniture. Chairs will be our biggest expense. The tables can be custom made from the unstained wooden table tops sold at Georgeia "Home Depot" type of store here. I am thinking a redwood stain to match the brick wall. 
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: BillyB on January 28, 2020, 08:46:51 AM

We are figuring the furniture. Chairs will be our biggest expense. The tables can be custom made from the unstained wooden table tops sold at Georgeia "Home Depot" type of store here. I am thinking a redwood stain to match the brick wall.

I'm not sure redwood will go good with the tan and grey stones on the wall. Talk to an interior decorator. Also important is you keep the Tex Mex theme to give your restaurant character that's authentic. Hang some old Wild West items, pictures, and sombreros on the wall if allowed.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Patagonie on January 28, 2020, 09:31:44 AM

I do not but I know I can't change it. For me it is like the serenity prayer:


God, grant me the Serenity
To accept the things I cannot change...
Courage to change the things I can,
And Wisdom to know the difference.

 
There are somethings I try not to think about. But have to, to keep bad things from happening to me.

 
You are a wise man Maxx,I wish you the best for this new project.you have a lot of courage.
 
Udachi.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on January 28, 2020, 11:42:15 PM

 
You are a wise man Maxx,I wish you the best for this new project.you have a lot of courage.
 
Udachi.


Thanks Pat


Where the business currently stands is this. It is being decided whether to start it or not. The place I rented is for two months. During that time we are investigating the prices of the kitchen equipment et cetera. The reason we didn't do it before is because we didn't know what we will need based on the place we would get.


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What is this? Chalk to draw on the floor to determine the size and shape of the things we will need to get. In Tbilisi there is a warehouse of good used restaurant equipment. There is a Turkish law that requires restaurants to get all new equipment, tables etc. ever 5 years. I'll be going there soon and check it out.


Starting in April we will get a lease. This is necessary to get a business license. The idea is to see how this restaurant goes for a few months and if it doesn't then I will shut it down and convert it into an apartment. The apartment upstairs is available at $700 a month. This one is at $500. The risk I am taking is about $5000-$7000 of savings. Life is a gamble and this is one for me. We'll see how it goes.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on January 29, 2020, 06:30:39 AM



To give a Chipotle experience.


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New, $4,000  Used, $172.42



Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: fathertime on January 29, 2020, 07:29:51 AM


To give a Chipotle experience.


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The price differential should make this a no brainer.  $4000 is outrageous....$172 is a steal!   

Fathertime!   






New, $4,000  Used, $172.42
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on January 29, 2020, 09:24:30 AM



Thanks for the bump Fathertime!
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on January 31, 2020, 08:22:37 AM


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We have the same problem in Georgia as does this board, trolls.




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Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: BillyB on January 31, 2020, 02:02:40 PM



They know their Engrish.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on February 06, 2020, 08:43:52 AM



Fired Ilona today.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Faux Pas on February 06, 2020, 08:55:42 AM


Fired Ilona today.

Any further details?
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on February 06, 2020, 09:19:51 AM
Any further details?




Near bedtime. I'll tell you when I awaken. It is all stuff of the Slavic mentality of the influence of "friends" with the 'crabs in a bucket' mentality.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: BdHvA on February 06, 2020, 11:37:50 AM
Maxx, My compliments for attempting this. The food industry is not easy and while some make a living, the majority fail. The success stories are a few and far between. That noted it seems like you might have a successful formula.

For myself I look forward to reading of your further exploits and reports. I should note I usually just lurk on RWD.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: BillyB on February 06, 2020, 12:25:54 PM

Fired Ilona today.


Did you film the entire event? You may be able to submit the tape to the "Undercover Boss" reality tv show if it's still airing. Firing employees before the business opens may be something they're interested in.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: GQBlues on February 06, 2020, 02:22:42 PM
Maxx, My compliments for attempting this. The food industry is not easy and while some make a living, the majority fail. The success stories are a few and far between. That noted it seems like you might have a successful formula.


I agree.

Quote
For myself I look forward to reading of your further exploits and reports. I should note I usually just lurk on RWD.


I cannot say I blame you.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on February 08, 2020, 10:13:17 AM


I agree.




I cannot say I blame you.


I got a thread about the firing of Ilona here in Starting Out section. Life can be so strange!


Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on February 08, 2020, 12:16:24 PM
Weekends are the worst times to launch a thread. I'll be interested what Monday (USA time) will bring.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Trenchcoat on February 08, 2020, 03:10:10 PM
Yet, I have to push forward. Why? Out of all of this I hope to find a good woman.[/font]

I think it's a great idea what you have planned here Maxx. I would say though that consider being adaptable, if the restaurant model doesn't work well then maybe consider changing to fast food version or adapting to some other business, a night time bar or whatever.

I think what you are doing is the right approach to find a woman out there. They will notice a foreign guy who is running a business and will think he is wealthy and doing well for himself. They will see that there is a business there and not just another foreign guy/retiree.

In fairness a woman out there would probably think that if she gets with a foreign guy who is drawing a pension if it were to happen that the guy later passes on sooner than hoped then the lady could be left high and dry since she I assume would unlikely be able to claim the pension. However if there is a business there that she could gain then that could be more reassuring to her.

Hope it all works for you :)
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: msmob on February 08, 2020, 11:43:54 PM
Written by a guy who hasn't been to the Rep of Geogia...

Rule #1 do not fraternise, hope for relationships, or take loads of photos of employees .

They should be paid for the work they do and work time be clearly defined and they go home to separate lives.

Big companies have rules on relationships at work for operation reasons.



Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on February 09, 2020, 12:48:10 AM
I think it's a great idea what you have planned here Maxx. I would say though that consider being adaptable, if the restaurant model doesn't work well then maybe consider changing to fast food version or adapting to some other business, a night time bar or whatever.

I think what you are doing is the right approach to find a woman out there. They will notice a foreign guy who is running a business and will think he is wealthy and doing well for himself. They will see that there is a business there and not just another foreign guy/retiree.

In fairness a woman out there would probably think that if she gets with a foreign guy who is drawing a pension if it were to happen that the guy later passes on sooner than hoped then the lady could be left high and dry since she I assume would unlikely be able to claim the pension. However if there is a business there that she could gain then that could be more reassuring to her.

Hope it all works for you :)


Thanks Trenchcoat. You have some good points.


Snagging a woman is not the reason for me to do this. I am mainly doing this as something interesting to do. Something fun to do. I am also thinking the activity will be good for my health. I lean strongly towards being sedentary.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on February 09, 2020, 06:09:35 AM



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There must be at least 20 centimeters of snow on the ground!
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Trenchcoat on February 09, 2020, 10:59:50 AM

Thanks Trenchcoat. You have some good points.


Snagging a woman is not the reason for me to do this. I am mainly doing this as something interesting to do. Something fun to do. I am also thinking the activity will be good for my health. I lean strongly towards being sedentary.

That's ok Maxx. It's great you are doing this new venture of yours for enjoyment, I think that is a positive in its favour of succeeding. You have shown that you have been committed to making some great salsa sauce, if so stuff like that could be a real draw for such a business. I would build on that if I were you, look to make other aspects of your Mexican restaurant to be great also, but don't let it drag your timescale to open back too much.

Perhaps make a note of all the people you will need to run this restaurant and the essential skills they will require. Also what your role will be in this business, likely overseeing the enterprise will be a key one such as keeping an eye on the money and stock levels and making sure everyone is doing their job and treating customers well.

If you need another person to assist you in opening the business pay them the going rate and look for someone who seems 'on the job' used to working type of person. I'm guessing that someone with good experience in catering may fit the bill. Perhaps put an ad out in their version of the Jobcentre/Labor Exchange and see who applies. Stressing experience needed may be best in the job advert. If you get someone with deep experience they may be invaluable in the long haul and if problems occur.

I think in any case you are probably best of looking for someone by advertising a job than by taking on friends. Friends don't necessarily have what you need, they may have a bit of it but not enough. They may be suitable for a role in your Mexican restaurant but not necessarily the one you currently need. If you need help with a job ad maybe your Russian language tutor might help she sounds like she might have a decent interested in your life or if not maybe hire a terp for it if needs be.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on February 09, 2020, 10:49:47 PM
That's ok Maxx. It's great you are doing this new venture of yours for enjoyment, I think that is a positive in its favour of succeeding. You have shown that you have been committed to making some great salsa sauce, if so stuff like that could be a real draw for such a business. I would build on that if I were you, look to make other aspects of your Mexican restaurant to be great also, but don't let it drag your timescale to open back too much.


There is foot of snow outside and I am not sure the roads are drivable. I doubt sub-tropical Batumi has snow plows. I'd like to get my medical check today. And I have no running water because the pipes are frozen. The water pipes run along the outside of the wall by the kitchen. -3 C. Seems like a lot of  bad omens. 
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Trenchcoat on February 10, 2020, 01:16:48 AM

There is foot of snow outside and I am not sure the roads are drivable. I doubt sub-tropical Batumi has snow plows. I'd like to get my medical check today. And I have no running water because the pipes are frozen. The water pipes run along the outside of the wall by the kitchen. -3 C. Seems like a lot of  bad omens.

Here we've just had gale force winds, neither is probably unusual for this time of year. The snow scene you showed earlier is pretty picturesque, a nice photo :) I would keep warm in this weather and use it as a chance for time out. Could even be useful time to do more planning of your business. The more planning you the greater your chance of success and easier time you can give yourself later on I think. Less gets left to a last minute panic of suddenly realising you need something or someone for stuff to work.

The pipes outside could probably be lagged with foam pipe insulation. I doubt your Landlord would be bothered with that as it's easy stuff to take on and off and pretty cheap to do, plus there is usually no down side to doing it. If you're going to be moving though it probably wouldn't be of use to you. Too late of course when the pipes are already frozen & can't get out and about but it might help avoid another re-occurrence. If it lasts a long time no water could become a pain unless you've stocked up on bottled water in advance. Other than that just food & relaxing I guess. 
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Trenchcoat on February 10, 2020, 06:07:50 AM
Guess you could always melt some snow into water if you get desperate.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: ML on February 10, 2020, 07:19:37 AM
Guess you could always melt some snow into water if you get desperate.

Don't use the yellow snow.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: GQBlues on February 10, 2020, 09:57:23 AM
I'm not sure how effective it really was, but back in time when me and the guys would hit Mammoth to ski as much as we can, we used to stay at one of the bud's parents condo and one of the things we were told not to ever forget is to leave the bathtub's faucet slightly open. It was supposed to allow the water to flow through preventing it from being static in the pipes and making it susceptible to freezing..

My complaints back then however was the water heater was not big enough to serve 7-8 dudes. You don't ever want to be the last one to wake up to hit the showers....
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: GQBlues on February 10, 2020, 04:13:47 PM
Weekends are the worst times to launch a thread. I'll be interested what Monday (USA time) will bring.

Indeed! Nat sent me a text with a link. I mean what's the chances of something like this from happening...Apparently, not only is there another couple out there who goes by the names 'Matt & Nat', they also happen to be animal lover/protection rights believers as well as shown in their website:

http://mattandnat.com/en_ca/

She asked: "Honey, when did you purchased this company, and why didn't you tell me anything about it?" LMAO!
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on February 21, 2020, 12:03:28 AM




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Not this one ^ but the company that made it is custom making two for me. The hot unit will be 65 cm wide and 125 cm long. It will be a dry unit unlike the one above that heats the trays by heating the water. As you are facing the front on the right end will be places for two round stainless steel pots for the mild and hot Texas chili.


The cold unit is 90 cm long and the same width. There will be a glass sneeze guard on both like the one above. The cold unit however will have a glass shelf where the desserts are displayed.


The units are built around a steel frame of square tubes. Then covered in sheets of stainless steel. Mine won't have colored panels.


Both should finished by next week. They are tested for two days then shipped. I will travel back to Tbilisi to pay the second half and price the cost of additional items I want custom built.


The price for both units together, is 2500 GEL ($862) and shipping is 350 GEL ($120).


I want to have them fabricate a low lying stainless steel refrigerator that has a counter top over it for food preparation. The other item needed is a stainless steel sink and stand. It would have storage underneath. If all goes well ($$$) I'll have them fabricate a stainless steel cabinet to hold the dishes et cetera. I'll hang it over the refrigerator on the back wall. I want this place to look professional, efficient and with the emphasis on cleanliness. Having a kitchen that all can see is a good idea. Recently there has been investigative reports of filthy Georgian kitchens.     


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I bought this beauty yesterday. It is extra long at 90 centimeters. Cost 1199 GEL ($413) It is a Oz product. It will be delivered today. I wanted it so I can continue with the blueprint and floor plans.


The delivery guy just called. Got to go...



Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on February 21, 2020, 03:50:13 AM



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The stove has legs so it can be moped underneathed. The hot and cold units also with legs will be before the stove and at a right angle to it. The sink and counter top is to be to the right of the stove along the brick and stone wall. The back wall will have a table height refrigerator with countertop. The cashier will be meter before the stairs.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on February 21, 2020, 04:34:23 AM



And on the overhang I'll mount these. The overhang is 210 cm wide.


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These are 206 cm. It should attract attention and spread word of mouth advertising.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on February 21, 2020, 07:05:36 AM



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View out my Tbilisi train window on the way back to Batumi
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Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on February 21, 2020, 11:37:12 PM


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View out my Tbilisi train window on the way back to Batumi
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Sitting to my right on this trip back was Israeli man named Asoff. He told me he was part of Israeli airline El-Al security. There are two stations in Georgia, Tbilisi and Batumi. We got into a conversation about the restaurant business I am working on. I learned a bit about Jewish Kosher dietary rules. Meat cannot be mixed with dairy products. So beef or chicken cannot be mixed with cheese or sour cream. The tortillas should be made with olive oil instead of butter if a Jew wanted meat on them. The vegetarian meat soy that I plan on getting from the vegetarian cafe (connected with the owner on this) is anything goes. Egg can be mixed with dairy as in breakfast burritos. And he told me Jews prefer getting their meat outside of Israel from Muslim butchers as their dietary rules, "Halum" are similar to Kosher.


A recent friend I made is a Turkish man named Mehmed. Yesterday I had lunch with him at 'The Sultan Cafe'. Mehmed is a refugee from the Erdogan regime as is the restaurant owner. This restaurant has its own butcher. Mehmed is going to arrange with the owner to be my supplier of chicken and beef. There is cut of beef used to make 'barbacoa' called skirt meat. It is just behind the front legs of the steer/cow. I am going to get some and start working on the recipe for this.


Asof told me that starting this summer there will be 18 flights a week coming from Israel. The Muslim and Jewish business is not something I want to miss.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: msmob on February 22, 2020, 02:11:44 AM
Maxx

Perhaps your 'halum' is meant to be HalaL ?

'Permissible' in Arabic .. in this case - in the context of food preparation

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halal)

BTW: LC Waikiki  - the 'billboard' you see at Tbilisi(?) railway station is one of several Turkish clothing retail chains in Georgia

Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Boethius on February 22, 2020, 02:40:53 AM
moby is correct - it's halal (permissable)  Haram is forbidden.

I don't like halal chicken.  It's missing a "zest", for lack of a better word.  I've never tried kosher chicken, but was told by a non kosher Jew the same thing - it is "missing" something in taste.

Halal butchers prepare meat by saying a prayer, then cutting the caratoid artery and jugular vein.  The animal must be alive when killed, and all blood must be drained.  Kosher killing involves cutting the esophagus, trachea, caratoid artery, and jugular vein in one motion. The animal must then be raised, its blood drained, then the blood covered with dirt.  If not all these acts are done correctly, the meat is not kosher.  Halal preparation allows animals to be stunned before slaughter.  Kosher preparation does not.

If you are advertising as a kosher kitchen, it is not enough to avoid serving dairy with meat.    Meat must be soaked prior to cooking to remove any remnants of blood    Only parts from the forequaraters can be consumed.  Even eggs if served cannot have a speck of blood.  If an egg has any blood, that egg must be discarded.  If serving fish, the fish must have fins and scales - definitely no shellfish, no catfish, no eels.

Your kitchen must also be kosher.  So, all pots and pans must never have been used to prepare non kosher foods, or touched non kosher foods.  Same with kitchen utensils, butcher blocks, plates, cups, cutlery, etc.

I suspect most Jews who will visit Georgia don't keep kosher, or at least, not strictly.  In your shoes, I'd probably not tout a kosher kitchen, and then determine later if it's worth it to add a kosher option.  Muslim visitors are another story, but other than pork and haram meats/seafood, it's not as big an issue.  No alcohol, no alcohol in foods, no vanilla extract (which could be in desserts), nothing made with animal rennet (some cheeses).

This post was composed without the aid of google.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Faux Pas on February 22, 2020, 07:23:18 AM

Sitting to my right on this trip back was Israeli man named Asoff. He told me he was part of Israeli airline El-Al security. There are two stations in Georgia, Tbilisi and Batumi. We got into a conversation about the restaurant business I am working on. I learned a bit about Jewish Kosher dietary rules. Meat cannot be mixed with dairy products. So beef or chicken cannot be mixed with cheese or sour cream. The tortillas should be made with olive oil instead of butter if a Jew wanted meat on them. The vegetarian meat soy that I plan on getting from the vegetarian cafe (connected with the owner on this) is anything goes. Egg can be mixed with dairy as in breakfast burritos. And he told me Jews prefer getting their meat outside of Israel from Muslim butchers as their dietary rules, "Halum" are similar to Kosher.



A recent friend I made is a Turkish man named Mehmed. Yesterday I had lunch with him at 'The Sultan Cafe'. Mehmed is a refugee from the Erdogan regime as is the restaurant owner. This restaurant has its own butcher. Mehmed is going to arrange with the owner to be my supplier of chicken and beef. There is cut of beef used to make 'barbacoa' called skirt meat. It is just behind the front legs of the steer/cow. I am going to get some and start working on the recipe for this.


Asof told me that starting this summer there will be 18 flights a week coming from Israel. The Muslim and Jewish business is not something I want to miss.

Forget all that shat. If you're going to to be a Mexican restaurant stick with the Mexican menu and ingredients. Personally I do not know many Jews or Muslims from Mexico, do you? If they question the kosher or halal they're probably not your customers
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: msmob on February 22, 2020, 07:46:13 AM
A geopolitical lesson for Mr Mistake is in order

Batumi is 20 minutes from the border with ... Turkey

Where does the VAST amount of fresh fruit, veg and meat products come from in Ajaria ?...  :popcorn:

Where do most day-tripper / coach-trips  come from ..?

'Thank you' ..


Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: GQBlues on February 22, 2020, 07:54:31 AM
Forget all that shat. If you're going to to be a Mexican restaurant stick with the Mexican menu and ingredients. Personally I do not know many Jews or Muslims from Mexico, do you? If they question the kosher or halal they're probably not your customers

I agree. What happens if a starving Jew walked in and you’re only serving pork burrito?
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Faux Pas on February 22, 2020, 07:58:59 AM
A geopolitical lesson for Mr Mistake is in order

Batumi is 20 minutes from the border with ... Turkey

Where does the VAST amount of fresh fruit, veg and meat products come from in Ajaria ?...  :popcorn:

Where do most day-tripper / coach-trips  come from ..?

'Thank you' ..

A halal Mexican restaurant has about as much a chance of success as ice water in hell. but given your business acumen I'm sure you had no idea.

You're welcome, moron
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: msmob on February 22, 2020, 08:36:49 AM
A halal Mexican restaurant has about as much a chance of success as ice water in hell. but given your business acumen I'm sure you had no idea.

You're welcome, moron

You have no idea of my biz acumen - save for the 'suggestions' of others ...   

When were you last in Batumi ? ... 


As approx 25-50% of any of Maxx' weekend trade are likely to be Halal favouring clients - it's not such a bad idea for Maxx to cover all bases




Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on February 22, 2020, 08:43:23 AM

I suspect most Jews who will visit Georgia don't keep kosher, or at least, not strictly.  In your shoes, I'd probably not tout a kosher kitchen,


I'll let Asoff guide me in this.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Boethius on February 22, 2020, 11:16:56 AM

I'll let Asoff guide me in this.

Ask him if you need a Jew to turn on the stoves.

Food cooked by a non Jew is called "bishul akum" and is not considered kosher.

http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Local-rabbinate-checking-Jewishness-of-restaurant-employees-513650 (http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Local-rabbinate-checking-Jewishness-of-restaurant-employees-513650)

This post was composed with the aid of google in locating a (previously read) article.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: ML on February 22, 2020, 12:30:17 PM
It's pretty funny observing the eating habits of college kids here in USA from various parts of the world.
i.e. Those from India start out avoiding beef . . . but after awhile, many are eating hamburgers at picnics.
i.e. Those from Arab countries start out avoiding pork . . . but after awhile, many are eating sausage biscuits at McDonalds, and sausage pizzas.

We have had several picnics at our house for math faculty which has several Jewish professors.
I tell them the hot dogs are all beef.
They mostly reply with a smile . . . I don't care.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: BillyB on February 22, 2020, 08:40:58 PM

I think Maxx can handle saying a prayer and slitting the throats of live animals before preparing them for a tasty meal. Reminds me of this Three Stooges restaurant scene involving a cat and dog which aren't made of pork.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtDTSe7BRJs
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on February 22, 2020, 10:34:03 PM

I suspect most Jews who will visit Georgia don't keep kosher, or at least, not strictly.  In your shoes, I'd probably not tout a kosher kitchen,


Stating our meats, chicken and beef, come from the The Sultan Cafe and state our vegetarian meat comes from the Vegetarian Cafe would be enough. I doubt I would get any business from strict Orthodox Jews and Muslims. I don't know how the former eat at all when they are abroad? I have seen a few Hasadic Jews but they are a rare site here. I've seen many more Muslims women wearing a black Hijab with eye slits. Their men are usually in tee shirts, shorts, baseball caps and sneakers.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: BillyB on February 22, 2020, 11:30:16 PM
state our vegetarian meat comes from the Vegetarian Cafe would be enough.


If you do advertise vegetarian meals, make sure the vegetarian meats do not share the same knife, pan, and plates with real meat. Do you know how to slit the throat of a cucumber so it'll qualify as Kosher and Halal?
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on February 23, 2020, 12:03:52 AM
If you do advertise vegetarian meals, make sure the vegetarian meats do not share the same knife, pan, and plates with real meat. Do you know how to slit the throat of a cucumber so it'll qualify as Kosher and Halal?


Ilona was vegan however she would taste the meat for taste and she would eat fish. What I am saying is not everyone is a purist when it comes to eating. I am getting the impression it is that way for most.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: BillyB on February 23, 2020, 12:22:39 AM

Ilona was vegan however she would taste the meat for taste and she would eat fish. What I am saying is not everyone is a purist when it comes to eating. I am getting the impression it is that way for most.

Best to avoid cross contamination and if you advertise certain foods to a group of people, assume one or more are purists. Some people don't eat gluten because they think it's bad for them. Some people don't eat gluten because it is bad for them and it'll put them in the hospital. So if a customer says he wants gluten free meals with corn tortillas, not flour tortillas, you must have your employees prepare the meal with new gloves or have their hands washed prior to preparing the meal. There will be contamination of gluten if the food preparer touches a flour tortilla and then a corn tortilla needed for the gluten free customer.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Hammer2722 on February 25, 2020, 07:35:21 PM
Forget all that shat. If you're going to to be a Mexican restaurant stick with the Mexican menu and ingredients. Personally I do not know many Jews or Muslims from Mexico, do you? If they question the kosher or halal they're probably not your customers
Absolutely agree with this. You are not gonna be able to please everyone. You will make it extremely hard on yourself trying...
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on February 28, 2020, 05:02:43 AM
You are not gonna be able to please everyone.


I absolutely agree. My plan is offer food that the less dietary strict will accept. No pork in the restaurant. Vegetarian meat option. Vegetarian (soy) sour creme. Vegetarian cheese. And make the tortillas with olive oil.   
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on February 28, 2020, 05:37:22 AM



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In Tbilisi I am having custom built Chipotle style cold and hot units. They are going to be covered in stainless steel. Also being custom built and covered in stainless, sink, refrigerator, stove guard and cash and tray counter.


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The business that built the unit above are building mine.


The hot and cold unit is 210 centimeters long. Cost of the both of them together is 2500 GEL ($877)
The refrigerator, sink, stove guard and cash register counter is together 2800 GEL ($982)


I am also going to get a vent for the stove, probably made from stainless steel. Labor costs for installation, plumber electrician, painter, carpenter etc. I am told is very inexpensive.




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Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on February 28, 2020, 06:04:55 AM



My current plan is find a cook who will do mostly food preparation. I would like her to come in a 6 AM and work till 10 PM. This would be good for her as she would have time for another job. Most Georgian businesses open at 10 AM. The pay I would offer be 30 GEL ($10.52) a day. By Georgian standards that is pretty good pay.


I'll also need 2 women to make the custom made burritos, tacos and taco salads. To stand behind the counter and communicate with the customers. I have 5000 paper sample cups and small plastic taste testing spoons.


Out the back door there is an area for the delivery drivers.


When I visited the American Chamber of Commerce last September I was told this place gets much business.


http://www.tripadvisor.com/Restaurant_Review-g294195-d8054622-Reviews-Fire_Wok-Tbilisi.html


When I walked over and checked them out there was 4 Glovo delivery drivers on scooters waiting to deliver orders. The three main delivery services is Glovo, Wolt and Menu.ge They have webpages in Georgian, Russian and English advertising various restaurants offerings. The cost for delivery is paid by the customer. It costs $3 GEL($1.05) per delivery. I usually tip them 2 GEL (70 cents) which makes most of them happy.


http://www.menu.ge/batumi/delivery/home.html


 
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: msmob on February 28, 2020, 06:20:45 AM
Maxx,

Tbilisi is DEAD re tourism and the Hard Rock Cafe has closed since December.

We have seen 2 Russian cars in 4 days.

I believe you are going to need the weekend and local trade.

Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on February 28, 2020, 07:19:37 AM
I have been living in Georgia since November 2015. I've experienced 5 off seasons and 4 tourist seasons. Whether something DEAD now doesn't mean it will stay that way.

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This photo I took a few days ago. It is the beach of Goneo several kilometers south of Batumi. In tourist season it is swarming with tourists, now not.


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Oh, and the Hard Rock Cafe is scheduled to reopen come tourist season Aprl-May to September-October
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: BillyB on February 28, 2020, 10:12:49 AM
We have seen 2 Russian cars in 4 days.


I have been living in Georgia since November 2015. I've experienced 5 off seasons and 4 tourist seasons. Whether something DEAD now doesn't mean it will stay that way.


One guy lived in Georgia for 5 years. The other guy seen 2 Russian cars in 4 days. Who to trust?

Maxx, rent is cheap and you'll be living upstairs above the restaurant. You'll be fine even during slow periods.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: ML on February 28, 2020, 10:30:11 AM


My current plan is find a cook who will do mostly food preparation. I would like her to come in a 6 AM and work till 10 PM. This would be good for her as she would have time for another job.

Wow, a 16 hour a day job !!

But yes, there would still be time from 10 PM to 6 AM next morning for another job.

Sleep would be optional.

Just joking Max; I knew you meant 10 AM.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on February 28, 2020, 11:45:10 AM
Wow, a 16 hour a day job !!

But yes, there would still be time from 10 PM to 6 AM next morning for another job.

Sleep would be optional.

Just joking Max; I knew you meant 10 AM.


I can be cruel and over work them when I want to!  :exploding: It was a typo. I meant say until 10 AM, not PM. I know you know that.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: msmob on February 28, 2020, 12:03:11 PM
One guy lived in Georgia for 5 years. The other guy seen 2 Russian cars in 4 days. Who to trust?

The other guy has seen 2 Russian cards in  4 days . - Please write in ENGLISH  !

'The other guy' has been coming here for just over a year - but could already converse via Russian ....  enabling 'him' to chat with locals about how 'easy' things are at the moment ... economically speaking (

The 'other' guy started a GE entity, first, knew about tax implications and even got married here ;)

A year ago - one could walk down the main street and see RU families every 10m and the best restaurants had to be booked ...


In the last two days we've walked from Rustaveli to Liberty Square ( busiest main street ) and seen less than 10 Russians ...   We are a party of four and two are Russian ..last year one third of the people on the street were RU tourists ..   Russian plated cars were 1 in 20 cars ..













 















I REALLY do wish Maxx the best of luck  and will be DELIGHTED ( for him) when he is successful ..

If it wasn't for him ( Maxx )  giving ME the idea of GE - we probably wouldn't  have thought of making a biz here...  having meetings here, etc.


I was a fan of GE cuisine, wines and Chacha 16 years ago, BillyB ..when I fist tasted Kharcho soup, Khatchapuri and drank Kindzmarauli

Now then,  Silly Billy  - off you run and check the veracity of my 'claim' .... 














Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: GQBlues on February 28, 2020, 12:04:14 PM

I absolutely agree. My plan is offer food that the less dietary strict will accept. No pork in the restaurant. Vegetarian meat option. Vegetarian (soy) sour creme. Vegetarian cheese. And make the tortillas with olive oil.

LMAO! The antithesis of anything that is Mexican food. This is starting to remind me of my wife's impression of what 'authentic Mexican food' is that she had in St Petersburg.

Here, I was going to say best you serve menudo (pancita). Nothing more 'Mexican' than that.

Anyway, have fun with the process and good luck, maxx!
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: BillyB on February 28, 2020, 01:31:48 PM

Maxx, if you do want to offer other types of foods for those who have dietary restrictions, at least offer authentic Mexican food for the majority of your customers who'd want it.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on February 28, 2020, 02:57:58 PM
LMAO! The antithesis of anything that is Mexican food. This is starting to remind me of my wife's impression of what 'authentic Mexican food' is that she had in St Petersburg.

Here, I was going to say best you serve menudo (pancita). Nothing more 'Mexican' than that.

Anyway, have fun with the process and good luck, maxx!


You and Moby have wished me not well. You've taken your stand. I will post my my profits.. or not...  at the end of tourist season, 
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on February 28, 2020, 03:00:47 PM

I REALLY do wish Maxx the best of luck and will be DELIGHTED ( for him) when he is successful ..



Totally B.S. Moby does not understand himself.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on February 28, 2020, 03:09:06 PM
Maxx, if you do want to offer other types of foods for those who have dietary restrictions, at least offer authentic Mexican food for the majority of your customers who'd want it.


As was pointed out to me by Ilona, Georgians don't know or value "authentic Mexican  food." Close enough will work just fine.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: GQBlues on February 28, 2020, 03:16:53 PM

You and Moby have wished me not well. You've taken your stand. I will post my my profits.. or not...  at the end of tourist season,

??? Now why would *I* not want to see you succeed? But suit yourself man...
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on February 28, 2020, 03:29:06 PM
??? Now would *I* not want to see you succeed? But suit yourself man...


You've stated repeatedly I cannot succeed. How un-American is that? Where is your American 'can-do attitude?' 
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: GQBlues on February 28, 2020, 06:54:51 PM
Either quote me, or best understand what I actually said dude. I did commented on your silly remark that you’re doing this to hopefully lure a woman to be your partner, paraphrased of course. If so, I think that’s just stupid all things considered. I told you to just put your energy in meeting that someone instead of going about it this way. Your priorities are totally out of whack.

Look what you’ve done so far, worked with an Indian to show you the way to make Mexican food. Now he’s gone and you end up working with a young mother of two to help you, but you get emotionally involved with her instead. Now you hook up with a Jew and a Muslim for lunch and, literally, you instantly scrap the whole education you learned in how to make authentic Mexican food! Out the window!

What or which of these chapters did you want people to wish you luck with, dude!?

Maxx, tbh, I don’t give a rats arse whether you win, lose or draw. You’re far too emotional for your own good sometimes. It’s a f***king message board, dude. I’m done wishing the best for you, for what, the last 15-17 years?
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: BillyB on February 28, 2020, 07:40:52 PM

As was pointed out to me by Ilona, Georgians don't know or value "authentic Mexican  food." Close enough will work just fine.

Ilona is in her mid 20's. People her age think Taco Bell quality is good enough. Decorate your restaurant appropriately, give it character and it'll give your customers a special experience and memories. Perfect your cooking and you'll have people advertise by word of mouth to increase your chances of success.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: msmob on February 28, 2020, 07:51:33 PM

You and Moby have wished me not well. You've taken your stand. I will post my my profits.. or not...  at the end of tourist season,

A prime example of Maxx 'rewriting' an event   /  believing he 'knew' what folk meant .. !

I keep wishing you well...

 I am saying you are trying this at a VERY  difficult time - when even popular restaurant franchises are failing
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: ML on February 29, 2020, 03:45:51 PM
Max, perhaps you could just buy a franchise for the popular Russian restaurant chain.
Located on practically every street in Russia.

It's name is PECTOPAH.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on March 06, 2020, 12:14:16 AM


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Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on March 06, 2020, 12:41:14 PM
Maxx, rent is cheap and you'll be living upstairs above the restaurant. You'll be fine even during slow periods.


Today I had my rental agreement in Georgian being translated into English. Should be done Monday


Tomorrow Saturday I am going to talk with my business landlord. I am concerned about the coronavirus killing tourism in Batumi. I'll try and get him to agree that the rent can be cut in event things go dead. But I don't know what would be considered dead. Fine time to start a business dependent upon tourism when a global pandemic is sweeping the world. I may have to sleep up in the loft. There is a functional bathtub in my storage room...
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on March 14, 2020, 11:57:50 PM
Thursday I went by train to Tbilisi. Went by business class. Very nice. I noticed First class and business class were about 80% empty.


Friday I went to Armenia to do my once a year border crossing. Everyone at custom control was wearing masks. When entering back in they took my temperature 3 times.


Saturday the borders to Azerbaijan and Armenia were closed due to the coronavirus . They are to remain closed until the 24th of March. Goods from trucks are allowed to cross.


My restaurant equipment is really shaping up. I should have it on tomorrow Monday or maybe Tuesday. I'll open as in get my business license when I see enough tourists on the streets. In the meantime I'll work on getting the place looking as clean and efficient as possible. My restuarant equipment inspires confidence in the cleanliness of the place. Workers wearing masks and gloves. I imagine people are going to want to get out of this coronavirus lock down mode and do something fun. I'll see.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on March 15, 2020, 07:24:24 AM
http://georgiatoday.ge/news/19922/Georgia-Azerbaijan%2C-Georgia-Armenia-Borders-to-be-Closed-until-March-24
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: msmob on March 15, 2020, 09:23:42 AM
Info in Eng re Virus updates in GE

http://stopcov.ge/en (http://stopcov.ge/en)

Flights to GE from UK still working !
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: BillyB on March 15, 2020, 12:53:19 PM
I'll open as in get my business license when I see enough tourists on the streets.


Maxx, this virus thing isn't going to end in a few months. It will probably last years like SARS and MERS before we get full control over it. You need to make a decision to quit buying restaurant equipment and pause the business or open soon knowing tourists may not be showing up in large numbers anytime soon. Also consider the government may close your business temporarily and occasionally to keep people from gathering.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on March 15, 2020, 10:55:33 PM
Maxx, this virus thing isn't going to end in a few months. It will probably last years like SARS and MERS before we get full control over it. You need to make a decision to quit buying restaurant equipment and pause the business or open soon knowing tourists may not be showing up in large numbers anytime soon. Also consider the government may close your business temporarily and occasionally to keep people from gathering.


I am preparing to convert the business location into living quarters. I have only $666 (2000 GEL @ 3-USD) in equipment to purchase, the final payment. This amount includes delivery and set up.


My monthly rent is $500. Once I get a business license I have to pay another $100 (20%) to the Revenue Department for a rent tax. Why do this if tourism is dead? The coronavirus is an unknown. Even my Georgian business landlord had to cancel his plans of leaving to Canada to join his Georgian wife there. He is leaving tomorrow instead of next month. He understands Turkish airlines are stopping all flights this Thursday. These are crazy times! Frankly I am scared.


Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on March 19, 2020, 04:48:09 AM



Things are really getting crazy out there! I have heard only one flight take off from the Batumi airport in the last 4 days. All restaurants, schools, bars and gymnasiums are shut down. Even the jewelry store next door is closed. The banks have suspended mortgage payments for their clients. The gymnasium I go to doesn't have to make a payment for 3 months. Today I seen the police in a grocery store supervising the disinfecting of the store. Metro City parking lot is 95% empty. The restaurant and casino is shut down so that giant TV screen is off. There are no tourists. They all went home. No mini buses are running. Very little traffic. All the borders are closed. I just called Khatuna my lawyer and she told me the notary is closed. It might open on Monday, but she is not sure. The banks are open though. My restaurant equipment is on its way. It should be here in a few hours.

My current plan is get my restaurant equipment set up. The venting, plumbing and electrical. I am getting the loft upstairs turned into a lounge/bedroom. I got a bathroom with a bath so I am set there. I won't register the business until I see tourism return. In the meantime I might hire the woman who works next door to help me fine tune this business. She is not getting paid and I know her pay and it is easily affordable for me (less that $200 a month).

40 cases of coronavirus in Georgia.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 19, 2020, 01:19:38 PM
Maxx, I would definitely negotiate a reduction in the rent. Trade is expected to be slow to non existent and many other restaurants might go out of business along with other businesses. So big supply of premises before too long but little demand. Those locals without the sort of financial backing you have got won't want to risk it. Handled right though you could end up well placed when the eventual revival comes along.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: BillyB on March 19, 2020, 06:25:32 PM
Maxx, if you open up the restaurant, always keep it clean, offer hand sanitizer at the front door and most importantly, get an anti theft toilet paper dispenser.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on March 20, 2020, 01:03:39 AM
Maxx, I would definitely negotiate a reduction in the rent. Trade is expected to be slow to non existent and many other restaurants might go out of business along with other businesses. So big supply of premises before too long but little demand. Those locals without the sort of financial backing you have got won't want to risk it. Handled right though you could end up well placed when the eventual revival comes along.


My landlord, a Georgian man, is with his Georgian wife in Montreal Canada. They have agreed to cut my business rent to $300 a month (from $500) for the months of April and May. They cut it to zero if I didn't live there. But I will live there. So it is what I now pay to my other landlord. I'll be leaving his place at the end of this month. He is not happy about that. EVERYONE here needs money!


Last night my custom made restaurant equipment came. I got a few other things they are going to build to get everything looking perfect. Small low cost stuff. I will take some photos of what I got so far and post it here. The plumber and electrician should be at my place in a few hours.


My future employee Khatuna is in self quarantine for 2 weeks. Hopefully after that we can start cooking and develop our recipes with photos et cetera for the menu. So we are living in interesting times!


 
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on March 20, 2020, 01:25:30 AM

Double post
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on March 20, 2020, 01:27:21 AM

If you can keep your head when all about you   

    Are losing theirs and blaming it on you,   

If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,

    But make allowance for their doubting too;   

If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,

    Or being lied about, don’t deal in lies,

Or being hated, don’t give way to hating,

    And yet don’t look too good, nor talk too wise:



If you can dream—and not make dreams your master;   

    If you can think—and not make thoughts your aim;   

If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster

    And treat those two impostors just the same;   

If you can bear to hear the truth you’ve spoken

    Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,

Or watch the things you gave your life to, broken,

    And stoop and build ’em up with worn-out tools:



If you can make one heap of all your winnings

    And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss,

And lose, and start again at your beginnings

    And never breathe a word about your loss;

If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew

    To serve your turn long after they are gone,   

And so hold on when there is nothing in you

    Except the Will which says to them: ‘Hold on!’



If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,   

    Or walk with Kings—nor lose the common touch,

If neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you,

    If all men count with you, but none too much;

If you can fill the unforgiving minute

    With sixty seconds’ worth of distance run,   

Yours is the Earth and everything that’s in it,   

    And—which is more—you’ll be a Man, my son!




~ Rudyard Kipling
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: msmob on March 20, 2020, 03:41:15 AM

My landlord, a Georgian man, is with his Georgian wife in Montreal Canada. They have agreed to cut my business rent to $300 a month (from $500) for the months of April and May. They cut it to zero if I didn't live there. But I will live there. So it is what I now pay to my other landlord. I'll be leaving his place at the end of this month. He is not happy about that. EVERYONE here needs money!


Last night my custom made restaurant equipment came. I got a few other things they are going to build to get everything looking perfect. Small low cost stuff. I will take some photos of what I got so far and post it here. The plumber and electrician should be at my place in a few hours.


My future employee Khatuna is in self quarantine for 2 weeks. Hopefully after that we can start cooking and develop our recipes with photos et cetera for the menu. So we are living in interesting times!


Maxx, NO-ONE could have predicted this 's*itstorm' and I am truly sorry that your venture has encountered a unique set of circumstances .

I think your former 'to be' landlord will come around, in time .. 

A lot of people are just waking up to what this means


Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on March 20, 2020, 04:26:15 AM

Maxx, NO-ONE could have predicted this 's*itstorm' and I am truly sorry that your venture has encountered a unique set of circumstances .

I think your former 'to be' landlord will come around, in time .. 

A lot of people are just waking up to what this means


It was laughing today when one of my business neighbors was concerned about the noise a kitchen vent pipe might make.


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Alex managed to cool her down with reassurances that there wouldn't be any noise.


All the plumbing and electrical supply stores are closed. Today was the official day of the start of the shutdown. But people still need to make money. My plumbers/electrician are at my business now hooking up things. I got my equipment last night. 


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Title: Up to 47 cases here in the Republic of Georgia
Post by: Maxx2 on March 21, 2020, 12:16:41 AM
Up to 47 cases here in the Republic of Georgia


http://georgiatoday.ge/news/20064/Number-of-Coronavirus-Cases-Rises-to-47
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on March 22, 2020, 02:53:52 AM
My landlord and his daughter Irma "Ear-ma" stopped by. They want me to stay at their (my) apartment for $200 a month. It was $350 a month and then they lowered it to $300 a month several months ago. Now it is $200 a month. My utilities including the internet is about $50 a month. With the economy contracting I expect prices on everything will drop. I probably could get a luxury apartment along the Sea for $100 a month. People here are desperate for money. The biggest fear I have is the breakdown of civilization. Riots and starvation of millions. At least in Georgia there is plenty of access to food and the Georgian people are kind and caring to each other. 
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: msmob on March 22, 2020, 03:02:46 AM
Dear Maxx,

What a dilemma...

Your 'old' landlord has access to many foodie delights..)

I do not see Georgians being so bad..

I would rather have left my car left unlocked there than in the west.

I note the govt. declared a state of emergency, yesterday... I have a GE sim in my phone and get frequent messages.

Keep us updated.

Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on March 22, 2020, 04:05:23 AM
Dear Maxx,

What a dilemma...

Your 'old' landlord has accessto many foodie delights..)

I do not see Georgians beening so bad..

I would rather have left my car left unlocked there than in the west.

I note the govt. declared a state of emergency, yesterday... I have a GE sim in my phone and get frequent messages.

Keep us updated.


Will do. 


A message from my daughter. She works the graveyard shift at Honeywell

Quote
Yes, that is a good time [to call]. I’ll be at work... they have been sending us home because our parts we need come from Ohio and for some reason they haven’t been delivering them and when they do they only last one day and then we are out for two-three days. If i’m driving all the way to work tomorrow for them ask me to leave... i will say no (i have the right to do that but if there is no work it’s really awful to sit there with nothing to do for 8hrs especially on 3rd shift because you have to fight not to fall asleep) but i need the money so i’ll be there no matter what... so the call will help.


My other daughter who works in a restaurant is out of work because all restaurants are closed in America as they are all here.
Title: I met this woman....
Post by: Maxx2 on March 22, 2020, 04:18:08 AM



Her name is Khatuna. She is 43 years old. She likes me! Very good looking! Never married and no children. Lives with her father, mother and sister. Unfortunately she is in self quarantine, as I am also. 
Title: Re: Up to 47 cases here in the Republic of Georgia
Post by: Maxx2 on March 22, 2020, 04:21:33 AM
Up to 47 cases here in the Republic of Georgia


http://georgiatoday.ge/news/20064/Number-of-Coronavirus-Cases-Rises-to-47 (http://georgiatoday.ge/news/20064/Number-of-Coronavirus-Cases-Rises-to-47)


54 as of today


http://georgiatoday.ge/news/20090/Coronavirus-Cases-Increase-to-54-in-Georgia
Title: Re: I met this woman....
Post by: BillyB on March 22, 2020, 07:43:17 AM


Her name is Khatuna. She is 43 years old. She likes me! Very good looking! Never married and no children. Lives with her father, mother and sister. Unfortunately she is in self quarantine, as I am also.


How did you both meet if you're both in self quarantine? Tell her your restaurant serves virus free meals and invite her over on a date.
Title: Re: Up to 47 cases here in the Republic of Georgia
Post by: Maxx2 on March 23, 2020, 06:14:54 AM

54 as of today


http://georgiatoday.ge/news/20090/Coronavirus-Cases-Increase-to-54-in-Georgia (http://georgiatoday.ge/news/20090/Coronavirus-Cases-Increase-to-54-in-Georgia)


Decreased by 5 cases as of today. I heard two people tell me the lock down is to April 21
Title: Re: I met this woman....
Post by: Maxx2 on March 23, 2020, 06:16:09 AM

How did you both meet if you're both in self quarantine? Tell her your restaurant serves virus free meals and invite her over on a date.


We met before the quarantine.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: msmob on March 23, 2020, 06:35:46 AM




Maxx

This site is ( sort of ) in English and might help you

http://stopcov.ge/ (http://stopcov.ge/)

For those involved in food

http://stopcov.ge/Content/files/The-National-Food-Agency%e2%80%99s-Recommen-ations-on-Novel-Coronavirus-(COVID-19)-for%20Foodservice%20Operators.pdf][url]http://stopcov.ge/Content/files/The-National-Food-Agency%e2%80%99s-Recommen-ations-on-Novel-Coronavirus-(COVID-19)-for%20Foodservice%20Operators.pdf (http://[url)[/url]


You'll be getting sms from the govt, but I suspect you'll not understand them ((

I'm sure Alex can help


Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on March 23, 2020, 07:52:38 PM
Up to 61 cases. 8 Georgians have recovered so far.


http://georgiatoday.ge/news/20133/Number-of-Coronavirus-Cases-Rises-to-61


Talked with my daughter today. It is her 40th birthday. She is out of work until ... when?  Everyone is suffering anxiety and uncertainty about the future.


Georgia is in lock down until the 21st of April and maybe longer.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on March 23, 2020, 08:22:57 PM



Maxx


I'm sure Alex can help


If you mean Jones, well I agree! One of my proudest moments of being a father was reading my daughter's FB  page saying Jones was her dream man.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: msmob on March 23, 2020, 10:14:35 PM
If I read the same of my kids,  I'd shoot myself ;)

Despite not having any influence over their teenage years, I'm pleased they hate Brexit and will ensure the wrinklies  madness is overturned, soonest !

Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on March 24, 2020, 01:36:29 AM
The total number of persons infected with coronavirus has increased to 66 in Georgia. The information has been posted on the special website created by the government, stopcov.ge.
3320 people are in quarantine and 235 are undergoing inpatient care.
9 out of 66 people have recovered from COVID-19.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on March 24, 2020, 03:17:44 AM
For a while the internet stopped working in Batumi. Immediately I assumed the end of the world happened...  :P
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on March 24, 2020, 10:38:45 PM
The total number of persons infected with coronavirus has increased to 66 in Georgia. The information has been posted on the special website created by the government, stopcov.ge.
3320 people are in quarantine and 235 are undergoing inpatient care.
9 out of 66 people have recovered from COVID-19.


http://georgiatoday.ge/news/20167/Coronavirus-Cases-Rise-to-70-in-Georgia (http://georgiatoday.ge/news/20167/Coronavirus-Cases-Rise-to-70-in-Georgia)


The number of confirmed coronavirus cases has reached 70 in Georgia. Of these patients, 9 have already recovered. At the time of writing, there are 4055 people in quarantine while 252 patients are stationary, under medical supervision.The coronavirus cases trebled today. Due to the fear of the spread of the COVID-19, Georgia has declared a state of emergency. Because of the domestic transmission of the illness, quarantine has been declared in the municipalities of Marneuli and Bolnisi.By Nini Dakhundaridze 
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on March 24, 2020, 11:37:20 PM
Ilona and I are back in contact again. She and I send each other WhatsApp messages. She said that she fears people will take all the money out of the banks. I messaged her back and told her that was known as a "run on the bank."
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Boethius on March 25, 2020, 07:08:29 AM
Don't give her any money, if she asks.


Stay healthy!


This post was composed without the aid of google.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: BillyB on March 25, 2020, 07:27:13 AM
she fears people will take all the money out of the banks.


I fear people will take all the money out of Maxx. In times of crisis, people will get desperate and exploit others. You're a nice guy Maxx. Keep your distance from people you know you can't trust.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: msmob on March 25, 2020, 08:17:25 AM
Don't give her any money, if she asks.


Stay healthy!




Quite ...


Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on March 25, 2020, 10:14:24 AM
Don't give her any money, if she asks.


Stay healthy!


This post was composed without the aid of google.


She didn't ask but I gave her $50 USD. Everyday the dollar is climbing fast against the GEL Last I checked it went from about a week ago at 2.75 GEL to the USD to today 3.55 GEL to the USD. Tomorrow or next week it could be 4 GEL to the USD. The Russia ruble, OMG!!!!


I know it could be a play for sympathy but Ilona told me her husband took her kids away and took her cell phone. He wants her back. Moby knows about my not-so-nice laptop. Anyway I gave it to her.


I fortunately stocked up on nutritional supplies. The two best things to take for this virus is vitamin C and Zinc. Please lay your hands on these two important products! Best natural form of vitamin C comes from sauerkraut. A cup of cabbage 30 milligrams of vitamin C. A cup of sauerkraut, 700 milligrams of vitamin C and it is excellent for the gut health. Vitamin C the synthetic kind is made from sulfuric acid and corn starch. It does not absorb well and taking too much as in mega-dosing can actually cause a vitamin C diffiency (sp) 



Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: msmob on March 25, 2020, 10:22:03 AM



I fortunately stocked up on nutritional supplies. The two best things to take for this virus is vitamin C and Zinc. Please lay your hands on these two important products! Best natural form of vitamin C comes from sauerkraut. A cup of cabbage 30 milligrams of vitamin C. A cup of sauerkraut, 700 milligrams of vitamin C and it is excellent for the gut health. Vitamin C the synthetic kind is made from sulfuric acid and corn starch. It does not absorb well and taking too much as in mega-dosing can actually cause a vitamin C diffiency (sp)

Your generous gifts to someone possibly unworthy of your kindness - according to you - put you at more risk than any perceived health benefits from vitamins (

Isolate ....  this is about your health

Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on March 25, 2020, 10:29:18 AM
I fear people will take all the money out of Maxx. In times of crisis, people will get desperate and exploit others. You're a nice guy Maxx. Keep your distance from people you know you can't trust.


I appreciate your kind words.


I had a very bad experience from my Russian ex-wife from 17 years ago. I seen some shockingly desperate things people will do if they feel their life could become difficult (Green card issues et cetera). But I also know I need a support network here. I do no one good if I go bankrupt. But I will help those who can help me.


I had a upper front tooth fall out. The root is cracked my dentist in Tbilisi told me. So I will need to get an implant. I think that will set me back about $300-$400. Back in 2014 I was quoted $5000 by my American dentist. Tomorrow Alex my Russian friend is taking me to a dentist for an examination
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: krimster2 on March 25, 2020, 10:36:58 AM
literally, the most virus contaminated thing you can touch right now is currency....

if you have to touch currency, wear gloves deposit it in a plastic bag

some poor bastard is going to do a PHD in economics on "The Velocity of Money During a Pandemic"
I'm sure....

I sure wish I was gonna be alive after the vaccine came out!!!!
it'll be ten times the party hour as the roaring 20s...
almost for sure, if Corona gets a vaccine, then everything else will as well
HIV, Flu....

World War V

V is for Virus

which side will be victorious
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on March 25, 2020, 10:45:42 AM
literally, the most virus contaminated thing you can touch right now is currency....

if you have to touch currency, wear gloves deposit it in a plastic bag


Thanks Krimster and Moby. I am of the belief in these dramatic times everyone who has had political difference will pull together. It reminds of the Battle of Britain and the V1 and V2 rocket attacks.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on March 25, 2020, 10:56:03 AM
It is up to 73 cases in Georgia




http://georgiatoday.ge/news/20171/Coronavirus-Cases-Rise-to-73-in-Georgia


But last I heard 10 people have recovered. Three Georgian citizens have died, but they lived in Spain. Zero deaths so far in Georgia.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: krimster2 on March 25, 2020, 11:16:04 AM
those damned V-2s, you didn't hear 'em till AFTER they landed!!!
at least with the V-1, when the "farting" sound stopped, you had a little warning before the boom!
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on March 25, 2020, 11:00:44 PM
Metro-City, usually there are hundreds if not thousands of cars in the parking lot.

(http://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49699759651_7cdc6a3d3e_b.jpg)



Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on March 25, 2020, 11:06:53 PM

http://georgiatoday.ge/news/20167/Coronavirus-Cases-Rise-to-70-in-Georgia (http://georgiatoday.ge/news/20167/Coronavirus-Cases-Rise-to-70-in-Georgia)


The number of confirmed coronavirus cases has reached 70 in Georgia. Of these patients, 9 have already recovered. At the time of writing, there are 4055 people in quarantine while 252 patients are stationary, under medical supervision.The coronavirus cases trebled today. Due to the fear of the spread of the COVID-19, Georgia has declared a state of emergency. Because of the domestic transmission of the illness, quarantine has been declared in the municipalities of Marneuli and Bolnisi.By Nini Dakhundaridze 


http://georgiatoday.ge/news/20196/Number-of-Coronavirus-Cases-Increases-to-75- (http://georgiatoday.ge/news/20196/Number-of-Coronavirus-Cases-Increases-to-75-)


Number of Coronavirus Cases Increases to 75
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The total number of persons infected with coronavirus has increased to 75 in Georgia. The information has been posted on the special website created by the government, stopcov.ge.
4055 people are in quarantine and 255 are under examination in hospitals.
10 out of 75 people have recovered from COVID-19.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on March 25, 2020, 11:41:23 PM
Moby knows about my not-so-nice laptop. Anyway I gave it to her [Ilona].


I will be meeting her in an hour and a half. I have the battery charger for the laptop that I gave her. Today the plumber/electricians are going to do some equipment hookups. I am going to ask Ilona to do some straightening of my things up. I've give her 20 GEL ($5.62). She lives across the street. Alex is going to take me to the dentist and see about my tooth. Nice that the President and Congress did the stimulus package. I should be getting about $1200 directed deposited into my bank account. I think when people are allowed to go back to work in the US, Georgia will follow suite.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on March 26, 2020, 12:36:20 AM
Carl Hartzell: I Can't Think of Better Place to be Right Now than Here in Georgia
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I cannot think of a better place to be right now than here in Georgia, EU Ambassador Carl Hartzell said in his video address, congratulating Georgia on its effective COVID-19 response and urging everyone to take care of each other.
„I am reporting from home. It is an unprecedented time for Georgia and for the rest of the World. Due to the coronavirus pandemic the world has turned upside down,” the EU Ambassador said. “In this context, I would like to congratulate the Georgian government and the politicians for acting early and robustly,” he noted.
“I would like to applaud the population of Georgia for supporting these measures and for acting responsibly in order to stop the spread of this virus. I would like to use this opportunity and express my admiration for the medical professionals, for doctors and nurses for law enforcers, border guards and others for working tirelessly in theses days for safety and security of everyone here. This crisis is not only a health crisis but also a tremendous economic challenge. I am proud to be working alongside other international partners under the leadership of the Georgian government to properly assess the needs and set out the way ahead. The European Union stands with Georgia. The EU is Georgia’s largest donor and the strongest partner and we will remain that. In addition, we are looking at special measures to help the economy, business and the most vulnerable groups of the society. This will be a long process, no doubt, but we will be in this together. This is the time to take care of each other. As for me, personally, I cannot think of a better place to be right now than here in Georgia. Take care, stayed committed, “Carl Hartzell said.
By Ana Dumbadze
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: msmob on March 26, 2020, 12:48:47 AM
Good morning, Maxx !

The EU Ambassador is self-isolating ...

YOU are still having guests, be it workers or otherwise ...   I'm not sure you've got the concept of 'staying at home saving lives'  ..

That doesn't mean YOU stay at home and everyone comes to you ;)

Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on March 26, 2020, 05:43:00 AM
Good morning, Maxx !

The EU Ambassador is self-isolating ...

YOU are still having guests, be it workers or otherwise ...   I'm not sure you've got the concept of 'staying at home saving lives'  ..

That doesn't mean YOU stay at home and everyone comes to you ;)


Ilona did a good job in straightening and organizing my things. I gave her 20 GEL. My workman Grant was there installing the electrical, plumbing and venting. The hardware stores are "closed", but not really. Call them on the phone and they bring out to you what you ask for. So as they say here "take away" service is still available.


At 3:08 PM I entered the McDonald's drive through. I got my Big Texas burger at 3:18. There were a lot cars ahead of me. People are eager to get back to making and spending money.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on March 26, 2020, 11:57:56 PM



http://georgiatoday.ge/news/20230/-Number-of-Coronavirus-Cases-Increases-to-81.


11 people have recovered from it.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on March 27, 2020, 07:19:18 AM
Hi Moby


Ilona cleaned my place today. She told me she was able to pay the rent for the next month with the help of a friend. And I am helping her with food. She does not ask me for money and is still hanging on to the $50 bill I gave her. From the people I've come in contact with everyone here is especially kind to one another. I think everyone knows it is time put down differences and realize what is important and what is not.




I am going to post this on the coronavirus and business in Georgia threads. 


Take care
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on March 27, 2020, 07:59:03 AM

I know it could be a play for sympathy but Ilona told me her husband took her kids away and took her cell phone. He wants her back.



This morning I met Ilona. She had gotten her phone back. Her ex-husband gave it to her and then asked her for their childrens' passports. She said she didn't have them in the house. Unfortunately he had wiped her phone before giving it back to her.


I have made some good friends at the gym I go to. Where I do my test marketing of my Tex-Mex food and purchasing some equipment for them, a speed bag for boxing and a 'Texas deadlift bar'. Anyway I got some guys there really willing to help me and anyone I care about. One of these guys is high up the police and military, a Colonel or General. I sent him a FB message and he immediately called me. I had him speak to Ilona. When he gets back April 3rd I am going arrange a meeting. I told Ilona she needs to fix situation with her ex-husband and their children.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: BillyB on March 27, 2020, 08:38:53 AM
From the people I've come in contact with everyone here is especially kind to one another. I think everyone knows it is time put down differences and realize what is important and what is not.


That happens at the beginning of a crisis. It's important for everybody, good or bad, to align themselves with somebody good. Surround yourself only with people that will NEVER do you wrong. When a crisis gets real bad, you will see true colors and you won't like what you see.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: msmob on March 27, 2020, 09:17:54 AM
That happens at the beginning of a crisis. It's important for everybody, good or bad, to align themselves with somebody good. Surround yourself only with people that will NEVER do you wrong. When a crisis gets real bad, you will see true colors and you won't like what you see.

Hmm, right now, Maxx should be isolating ..not 'surrounding' himself, surely  ! ?...
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: BillyB on March 27, 2020, 09:28:20 AM
Hmm, right now, Maxx should be isolating ..not 'surrounding' himself, surely  ! ?...

Isolate yes, but he still needs good people in his life to support him should he get ill and can't go out and get his own food or watch his assets should he have to sit in a hospital for a month.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: msmob on March 27, 2020, 09:43:37 AM
Isolate yes, but he still needs good people in his life to support him should he get ill and can't go out and get his own food or watch his assets should he have to sit in a hospital for a month.

My POINT ( that you seem too dense to grasp ) is meeting them now is more likely to make him ill ... Do you not understand the concept of isolation ?

Maxx has a network of people he can call on,
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: BillyB on March 27, 2020, 11:09:23 AM
My POINT ( that you seem too dense to grasp ) is meeting them now is more likely to make him ill ... Do you not understand the concept of isolation ?


Says the guy who travels telling passport control agents their masks are useless while he's standing face to face with them when a virus is running loose  . People can still talk to each other at a distance or on the phone. Maxx doesn't need to search for new friends. He already has some and he needs to reinforce those friendship and get rid of the questionable people in his life. The questionable people are the type that will take Maxx's car and clean out his restaurant while he's in critical condition in the hospital.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: msmob on March 27, 2020, 02:39:15 PM
Says the guy who travels telling passport control agents their masks are useless while he's standing face to face with them when a virus is running loose  . People can still talk to each other at a distance or on the phone. Maxx doesn't need to search for new friends. He already has some and he needs to reinforce those friendship and get rid of the questionable people in his life. The questionable people are the type that will take Maxx's car and clean out his restaurant while he's in critical condition in the hospital.

BillyB, your tactic of deflection doesn't wash any more

1/ Learn to deal with your daft words being busted

2/ Try not to compound your daftness by constantly raising stuff where you have already been busted

Maxx is unwise to be socialising at this point in time   ...friends should be chatting via apps not meeting



Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on March 28, 2020, 02:23:58 AM
Maxx has a network of people he can call on,


Alex has the key to my business. Ilona does not. A few days ago I had her organize my things. I have this projector with a large pull up screen. The screen and some other things now cover the window so people can't look in. I do have some food in there, rice, beans, sugar, wheat flour, mesa corn flour, spices et cetera but they can't be seen. Other than seeing some reckless driving I don't seeing any signs of panic. And some Georgians are natural hotroders anyway, so? I almost got it from a BMW the other day. My gas tank is full. The store shelves are packed here. Nobody I know knows of anyone with coovid19
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on March 28, 2020, 02:24:45 AM

http://georgiatoday.ge/news/20196/Number-of-Coronavirus-Cases-Increases-to-75- (http://georgiatoday.ge/news/20196/Number-of-Coronavirus-Cases-Increases-to-75-)


Number of Coronavirus Cases Increases to 75
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The total number of persons infected with coronavirus has increased to 75 in Georgia. The information has been posted on the special website created by the government, stopcov.ge.
4055 people are in quarantine and 255 are under examination in hospitals.
10 out of 75 people have recovered from COVID-19.







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The total number of persons infected with coronavirus has increased to 85 in Georgia. The information has been posted on the special website created by the government, stopcov.ge.
4641 people are in quarantine and 239 are under examination in hospitals.
14 out of 85 people have recovered from COVID-19.
By Ana Dumbadze
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on March 28, 2020, 02:32:44 AM



I had a dream last night I accidentally wandered into a whorehouse. I had thought it was a restaurant but the waitresses were overly friendly. I remember I wasn't eager to leave... 8)


Quote
Having more unusual dreams during lockdown? You may not be aloneBy Press Association 2020
Life in lockdown could be causing people to have longer, more memorable and more intense or emotional dreams, an expert has said.
Increased financial pressures, cabin fever, and a lack of stimulation caused by staying at home for days on end could all result in significant changes to the dreams people are having, said Professor Mark Blagrove, a leading expert in sleep and dreaming at Swansea University’s department of psychology.

Professor Blagrove told the PA news agency: “Many people will have experienced a change in their circumstances recently, and any type of stress may be dreamt about.


“Some people will be having a life that is more boring than previously.
There’s going to be a lot of people having quite emotional dreams
Professor Mark Blagrove

“But there will be a lot of people who have more stress, possibly because they are with people who they wouldn’t spend so long with as a proportion of the day.
“It may be discomforting, it may be extremely stressful and dangerous for people in domestic violence situations.
“You then have the extra things like financial worries, employment worries, worries about your children.”
Prof Blagrove said there was a metaphorical “replication of life in dreams” which focuses on the “more emotional side”.
He said: “For a lot of people, they won’t dream about their working life because, generally, it’s not that interesting.
“But if the current situation gives people more interesting things happening, it may happen that people are dreaming more.”
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: msmob on March 28, 2020, 03:19:06 AM
. Nobody I know knows of anyone with coovid19

Yet.... I was the same until yesterday.

Georgia has been wise and locked down, swiftly.

Those who actually self isolate will stand a better chance of avoiding the first wave.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on March 28, 2020, 04:00:26 AM
Yet.... I was the same until yesterday.

Georgia has been wise and locked down, swiftly.

Those who actually self isolate will stand a better chance of avoiding the first wave.


I'm going to do my daily trip through the Mcdonalds drive through in a few minutes. Just checked my blood glucose level, 87 which is excellent. Blood pressure is 127/72 also good.


Vitamins, vodka and vitriol can get you through anything.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: msmob on March 28, 2020, 04:09:24 AM
Maxx, I admire your positivity, but if McD's are open couldn't you be serving take aways?!))

Your attitude has become v.formal soviet )

Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on March 28, 2020, 05:32:25 AM
Maxx, I admire your positivity, but if McD's are open couldn't you be serving take aways?!))

Your attitude has become v.formal soviet )


Don't forget Moby I am a Britt by heritage.


Yes I could. The problem is I can't finish the kitchen because the hardware stores are closed. Apparently my guy Grant is having a difficult time getting store owners to sell things out the back door. Also my hot and cold units lacked completion. Misha was in such a rush to get paid upon delivery he left some parts behind. Also he didn't make an access door for the sink unit. So I told Grant to get a electrical saw and make one on the front wooden panel (painted black). But on second thought giving Georgia a 'Chipotle experience' is not possible under present circumstances.

My plan is to press forward as much as I can. Hoping for the tourist season Georgia so desperately needs.

(http://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49707809021_cd90916a6b_c.jpg)


My sense on the street is people here want things to get back to normal. ANYONE who can work does so. The streets are getting repaired finally. Construction workers are working. The streets are being swept by people using those funny brooms. There were more cars in Metro-City parking lot today. Life will go on.






Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on March 28, 2020, 11:52:45 PM



Number of Coronavirus Cases Rises to 90
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The number of coronavirus cases has increased in Georgia. The country now has 90 people in hospitals who have tested positive for COVID-19. The information was published on the government-run website stopcov.ge (http://stopcov.ge/).

The website also reports on other coronavirus data in the country, like the number of patients who have recovered, of people in quarantine and under medical supervision. Currently, there are 4534 individuals quarantined, 276 stay in in-patient care, while 16 patients have recovered from Covid-19.

By Nini Dakhundaridze
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: msmob on March 29, 2020, 01:08:01 AM
Hi Maxx,

I think these figures ( other than any reported fatalities ) are meaningless - unless everyone who has the virus is being tested... which I doubt ...   (

My little rural county in the UK is reporting 100 plus from just over 500k ... I think the number could be 5- 10 times that and we STILL don't know how many people can be asymptomatic and be carriers ... 'Reports' from China reckoned up to 30% ..

THAT is why govts want people to socially distance or isolate ..



Georgia has tried this earlier in the curve .. it will be interesting to see how it pans out.  It is a v.family orientated country and if one family member gets it ....



Stay safe, stay away from other folks - 2m away ;)  ..for at least two weeks more
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on March 30, 2020, 08:41:13 AM
I am drinking a bottle of Saperavi red wine and eating some caviar. In an hour and 20 minutes the nationwide curfew begins. From 9 PM to 6 AM if you are caught on the street you face a 3000 (almost $1000) GEL fine.


I seen Ilona today and took her to Carrefour to stock up on some food. Her Belarusian ex-husband took her children away a few days ago. She wants to see me tomorrow and hang out and watch movies together. We both need the company. We've finally figured out our relationship. I haven't seen my two daughters and granddaughter in 3 1/2 years. So that is what ii become, a father or grandfather to her. I need someone to look after and she does the same for me.


I am going to download some movies we can watch together


Grumpy Old Men (like me)
Grumpier Old Men both films take place in Minnesota where I came from
Heartbreak Kid (1972) also part of it takes place in Minnesota
The Producers (1968)
The Graduate (1968) a must see classic film.


Any suggestions?
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Faux Pas on March 30, 2020, 08:50:01 AM
I am drinking a bottle of Saperavi red wine and eating some caviar. In an hour and 20 minutes the nationwide curfew begins. From 9 PM to 6 AM if you are caught on the street you face a 3000 (almost $1000) GEL fine.


I seen Ilona today and took her to Carrefour to stock up on some food. Her Belarusian ex-husband took her children away a few days ago. She wants to see me tomorrow and hang out and watch movies together. We both need the company. We've finally figured out our relationship. I haven't seen my two daughters and granddaughter in 3 1/2 years. So that is what ii become, a father or grandfather to her. I need someone to look after and she does the same for me.

Is that what you're looking for?
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on March 30, 2020, 08:57:44 AM
Is that what you're looking for?


Yes but also a woman I can live my life out with. I met recently a Georgian woman in her 40s I rather like. When this madness is over I will ask her father if he will allow me to court her. Her name is Xhatuna (Khatuna). No children, never married and from what I can tell as sweet as can be.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on March 30, 2020, 09:01:38 AM
My Georgian business landlord who is in Ontario Canada with his Georgian wife WhatsApp me and says it feels like "III World War"
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on March 30, 2020, 09:04:27 AM
Number of Coronavirus Cases Climbs to 100
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The total number of persons infected with coronavirus has increased to 100 in Georgia. The information has been posted on the special website created by the government, stopcov.ge.
4978 persons are in quarantine and 264 remain under examination in hospitals. 18 have recovered.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on March 30, 2020, 10:59:53 PM
Unbelievable


Prime Minister of Georgia on Declaring Universal Quarantine
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The government made the decision to significantly tighten measures within the framework of the state of emergency, which will take effect at 8:00 in the morning tomorrow, stated Georgian Prime Minister Giorgi Gakharia at a briefing held after the conclusion of a session of the Interagency Coordination Council on the coronavirus.

Today's session took place in an extended format and was attended by the mayor of the capital, members of the Cabinet of Ministers, and senior officials from the Center for Disease Control, in addition to members of the council.

"We have decided to significantly tighten measures within the framework of the state of emergency. Effectively - and I would like to emphasize this - effectively, we are declaring universal quarantine, which will begin tomorrow, at 8:00 in the morning. This quarantine means the following:

It is completely forbidden to travel using any type of public transport (including the subway), both within and between cities and municipalities.

It is only permissible to travel using light vehicles (including taxis), and only if the recommendation of the Ministry of Healthcare has been taken into consideration, i.e., if there are no more than three persons in an automobile, with the essential condition that the two persons are seated in the rear seat. This is a very important recommendation and relevant state bodies will make the appropriate decisions in case of noncompliance.

Also, it is only permissible to carry passengers for the purpose of transporting employees of facilities of strategic importance in an organized and safe manner.

• Gathering of more than three persons is forbidden, with the exception of grocery stores and pharmacies, where maintaining a social distance of two meters is mandatory
.
• Furthermore, rules governing the operation of enterprises that are permitted by the government will be set out separately; they will have separate protocols that will be agreed with the Ministry of Healthcare. We are doing this so that the economy can continue to function and to ensure that the potential that the Georgian economy possesses is not brought to a standstill, as well as, of course, to ensure that our citizens can retain their jobs as far as possible.

Our citizens above 70 years of age will be forbidden from leaving their homes unless they are going to their nearest grocery store, their nearest pharmacy, or their nearest medical facility.

• If our citizens above 70 years of age live alone, the Ministry of Healthcare and the Ministry of Economy, as well as local municipalities, are obligated to provide them with assistance.

• Most importantly: Effectively, a full quarantine will be declared for the duration of the state of emergency. It will be forbidden to move on foot or using any other mode of transportation in the cities and throughout the entire country between the hours of 21:00 and 06:00. Effectively - and I would like to emphasize this once again - effectively, this means that a so-called curfew is being declared throughout the entire country between the hours of 21:00 and 06:00.

Checkpoints will be set up in the cities of Tbilisi, Batumi, Kutaisi, Rustavi, Poti, Zugdidi, and Gori in order to control the movement of individuals, to check their health status, and to ensure the fulfillment of the tightened measures under the state of emergency, as well as to provide initial thermal screening and to control the administrative borders of these cities. These measures will be carried out by the forces of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, with the involvement of the relevant agencies of the Ministry of Defense.

A very important point: Every citizen must carry their identity documents while moving within the city at any time," the Prime Minister of Georgia stated.




Source: Press Service of the Government Administration
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: msmob on March 30, 2020, 11:14:07 PM
What is 'unbelievable', Maxx?

What the Rep og Georgia has done is early in the curve and they ar trying to flatten it before the Orhodox Easter....as the govt feels a lot of people MAY  the need disobey on religious grounds and head off to form crowds in a Church...

Rumours are going around that Sakashvilli is 'back in town'....


Now whilst I, personally, hold him in higher regard than (say) Boethius.... I hope if these rumours are true, that he doesn't stir up dissent....

Not the moment to be encouraging gatherings / protests / civil disobedience ....



Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on March 31, 2020, 01:52:04 AM
I checked and Saakashvili is not back in town.

I did the math. The deaths from Coronavirus is one per


107,692.00   Danes

and one per 

96,380.00.    Swedes

"While Denmark and Norway closed their borders, restaurants and ski slopes and told all students to stay home this month, Sweden shut only its high schools and colleges, kept its preschools, grade schools, pubs, restaurants and borders open — and put no limits on the slopes.
In fact, Sweden has stayed open for business while other nations beyond Scandinavia have attacked the outbreak with various measures ambitious in scope and reach. Sweden’s approach has raised questions about whether it’s gambling with a pandemic, COVID-19, that has no cure or vaccine, or if its tactic will be seen as a savvy strategy to fight a scourge that has laid waste to millions of jobs and prompted global lockdowns unprecedented in peacetime.
Norway with a population 5.6 million, reported 2,200 cases and 52 deaths; Sweden, with 10.12 million people, recorded more than 3,060 cases and 105 deaths. A recent headline in the Danish newspaper Politiken encapsulates the question ricocheting around Europe, “Doesn’t Sweden take the corona crisis seriously?”
There is no evidence that Swedes are underplaying the enormity of the disease rampaging across the globe. The country’s leader and health officials have stressed hand washing, social distancing and protecting people older than 70 by limiting contact with them."
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: BC on March 31, 2020, 02:23:31 AM
Maxx,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_coronavirus_pandemic_in_Sweden#Statistics

The article was written a few days ago when their death rate averaged around 15 per day.  Yesterday it almost tripled to 42.

Stay home, stay safe.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on March 31, 2020, 02:44:08 AM
Maxx,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_coronavirus_pandemic_in_Sweden#Statistics (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_coronavirus_pandemic_in_Sweden#Statistics)

The article was written a few days ago when their death rate averaged around 15 per day.  Yesterday it almost tripled to 42.

Stay home, stay safe.


Thanks for the info BC. I am trying to figure this out. I use what I see and hear in Georgia to try and figure the future. I talked with a Georgian friend and he feels the calmness here will be at month at most.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y26TQKczaaY


 
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: BC on March 31, 2020, 03:19:45 AM
Max,

I suspect take out might be part of your biz plans, so maybe a good time to work on that aspect.


Plan for two months which thus far has been the experience of most places when it comes to getting ahead of this virus.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on March 31, 2020, 03:36:20 AM
Max,

I suspect take out might be part of your biz plans, so maybe a good time to work on that aspect.


Plan for two months which thus far has been the experience of most places when it comes to getting ahead of this virus.


"Take away" is how they call it here. I appreciate your advice. Thank you!
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on March 31, 2020, 09:28:42 AM
I got a call just now from my personal residence landlord's daughter. She told me that at 9 PM tonight there is a curfew. I told her I knew this from a English language website called Georgiatoday.ge
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: ML on March 31, 2020, 10:01:08 AM
I got a call just now from my personal residence landlord's daughter. She told me that at 9 PM tonight there is a curfew. I told her I knew this from a English language website called Georgiatoday.ge

Maxx, people our age should be in bed by 9 PM anyway.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Faux Pas on March 31, 2020, 10:04:41 AM
Maxx, people our age should be in bed by 9 PM anyway.

And if you're not, go home
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on April 01, 2020, 01:36:22 AM
Alcohol Sales Restricted in Georgia
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The economic activity of most non-essential businesses shall be restricted as part of the state of emergency regime in Georgia amid the ever-increasing number of COVID-19 cases.
Pursuant to the new government decree, alcoholic beverage stores have also been closed.
The emergency order includes a list of critical businesses that can continue to operate provided that they adhere to the social distancing rules as much as possible. As specified in Article 7 of the document signed by the Prime Minister Giorgi Gakharia, any economic activity shall be suspended for the duration of the state of emergency, except:
Medical facilities;
Retail sale of food, animal and plant products, animal food, veterinary products, pesticides and agrochemicals, seed and planting materials;
Mills, bakery products, dairy-processing enterprises;
Supply of electricity, natural gas, water production / transmission / distribution / supply, gasoline, diesel, liquefied gas, as well as telecommunications, postal and waste management services;
Commercial banks;
Payment service providers;
ATMs, self-service kiosks and post terminals;
Microfinance organizations;
Production / distribution / sale of medical goods, pharmaceuticals;
Agricultural activities and activities related to livestock / poultry;
Taxi service (category M1);
Private security service;
Advocacy service;
Press booths.
Activities of restaurants and public catering establishments are only allowed through food delivery and take-out services, without user access to the retail space.
By Elene Dzebisashvili
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on April 04, 2020, 05:35:25 AM
Georgia Reports the First Coronavirus Death, Number of Cases Rises to 157
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The first case of death due to the new coronavirus has been reported in Georgia.
"The deceased was a 79-year-old patient from the Marneuli-Bolnisi cluster," Levan Ratiani, the Director of the First University Clinic, told reporters on Saturday.
He added that the patient had serious concomitant diseases along with COVID-19.
"Earlier this morning, a fatal case of coronavirus infection was confirmed. The victim is a 79-year-old woman, whose main diagnosis was COVID-19 and acute pneumonia. The complications included respiratory distress syndrome, sepsis, septic shock, spontaneous pneumothorax, acute respiratory failure, acute failure of the cardiovascular system, acute heart failure. The concomitant diseases of this patient were quite severe,” said Amiran Gamkrelidze, Head of the National Center for Disease Control and Public Health.
The number of cases of coronavirus infection has increased to 157 in Georgia. The information has been posted on the government-run website stopcov.ge.
5526 people are in quarantine and 344 under examination in hospitals.
28 out of 157 people have recovered and one has died.
By Ana Dumbadze
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: msmob on April 04, 2020, 05:42:32 AM
The 79 yr old woman died ..  ((

Georgia's govt has taken early action ..


Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on April 04, 2020, 08:22:14 AM
The 79 yr old woman died ..  ((

Georgia's govt has taken early action ..


She probably would have died anyways.


"The complications included respiratory distress syndrome, sepsis, septic shock, spontaneous pneumothorax, acute respiratory failure, acute failure of the cardiovascular system, acute heart failure."

My landlord's mother's sister died today, 92 years old. Nobody can attend the funeral.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on April 05, 2020, 05:58:52 AM
Second Coronavirus Death Reported in Georgia
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The second coronavirus death has been reported in Georgia, Levan Ratiani, the Director of the First University Clinic, told reporters on Sunday.
He added that the deceased was an 81-year-old woman who had serious concomitant diseases along with COVID-19.
“The woman, who was taken from Tbilisi Sea Hospital on April 3 with a life-threatening condition, suffered from hemodynamic disturbances. The study revealed acute respiratory distress, a history of acute myocardial infarction, atrial fibrillation and chronic heart failure. She was transferred to the Department of Critical Medicine for further treatment. Treatment was ongoing in accordance with guidelines, however, she passed away," he noted.
Yesterday, Georgia confirmed the first case of death due to the new coronavirus. The patient was 79-years-old and also had serious concomitant diseases.
The number of coronavirus cases has increased to 170.
5067 people are in quarantine and 330 under examination in hospitals.
36 out of 170 people have recovered from the illness and two patients have died.
By Ana Dumbadze
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: msmob on April 05, 2020, 08:25:53 AM
Hi Maxx,

When we heard talk of young folk dying in China, we thought REALLY .. ?...this is a virus that only hits elderly folk who have other health issues ... After a while  health workers in their 20's and 30's might die and THEN it hits you ...  other folks are dangerous to be near (


Stay safe
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on April 06, 2020, 04:18:35 AM
Coronavirus Cases Rise to 174 in Georgia
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Georgia has reported 4 new cases of COVID-19, bringing the country's total to 174.

At the time of writing, Georgia has 36 recoveries from the virus and 2 fatalities, one patient who died was 79 and the other 81, both reportedly had pre-existing health conditions before being infected with COVID-19.

Currently, 5010 people are quarantined throughout Georgia and 350 stay in in-patient care.

The updates were published on a state website stopcov.ge (http://stopcov.ge/).

By Nini Dakhundaridze
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on April 06, 2020, 05:38:17 AM
Hi Maxx,

Stay safe


I don't believe that. You could have put two people together (Sonya and I) but for a ten dollar test dreamed up by a man who has been living off you for the past three years.




Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: msmob on April 06, 2020, 06:05:40 AM
Oh not this SHYTE, again...  what 'rattled your cage', so ?

Cluebat:  S did not know about M and my test ...   Blaming all and sundry won't alter SHE had already decided not to pursue the 'relationship'... She took your money and didn't want you ... *I* told you not to send it ...



My wishes as to your health were sincere .. 



Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on April 06, 2020, 06:35:41 AM
Oh not this SHYTE, again...  what 'rattled your cage', so ?

Cluebat:  S did not know about M and my test ...   Blaming all and sundry won't alter SHE had already decided not to pursue the 'relationship'... She took your money and didn't want you ... *I* told you not to send it ...



My wishes as to your health were sincere ..


No they are not. You are truly an evil man.




Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: msmob on April 06, 2020, 08:18:44 AM
Maxx, again...

You renewed 'contempt' for me doesn't alter my sincere wishes re your health.

I am still somewhat puzzled as to to your latest 'change of heart' as to my status.




Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on April 07, 2020, 11:27:36 AM
Georgia: 3rd Coronavirus Death Reported, 46 Recover
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Another patient died of coronavirus in Georgia.
The 86-year-old patient, whose health condition was critical with serious concomitant diseases along with COVID-19, was treated at the Tbilisi Infectious Diseases Hospital.
This is the third case of coronavirus death in the country.
The total number of coronavirus cases stands at 195.
4708 people are in quarantine and 370 under examination in hospitals.
46 out of 195 people have recovered from the illness and three patients have died.
By Ana Dumbadze


First death an 79 year old. Second death an 81 year old. Third death an 86 year old.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on April 14, 2020, 11:21:24 AM
Entry to 4 Major Cities Forbidden for 10 Days, State of Emergency to be Extended
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Given the increasing number of coronavirus infection in the country, the Georgian government has decided to prohibit all types of movement, entry and exit to four major Georgian cities - Tbilisi, Rustavi, Batumi and Kutaisi, starting tomorrow, April 15.
Prime Minister Giorgi Gakharia made the corresponding statement at a briefing today.
"The government has decided to ban citizens from entering or leaving big cities - Tbilisi, Rustavi, Batumi and Kutaisi for 10 days, from at 9 pm tomorrow," the head of the government said.
He said that it happened for the first time that 30 people were infected in a day. 500 people are being examined.
The Prime Minister noted that the country has moved to a stage of full-scale internal transmission.
"Tomorrow, the government will appeal to the President of Georgia to extend the State of Emergency until May 10," the PM added.
"We appeal to the President to address the Parliament in the coming days on the extension of the state of emergency until May 10. These are the necessary steps that must be taken immediately to move to a new stage of slowing down the speed and geographical expansion of the virus," he noted.
Initially, the State of Emergency was declared throughout Georgia until April 21, however, given the current developments, the government has decided to extend the term of the emergency regime.
Title: Can't drive my car for 4 days
Post by: Maxx2 on April 16, 2020, 11:27:15 AM



People here can still walk to the stores and most do not have or use cars.


Traffic Completely Banned from 17 to 21 April
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As a part of the State of Emergency, it will be completely forbidden to drive a car in the country from 12:00 PM of April 17 to 21 April.
Advisor to the Prime Minister Irakli Chikovani made the corresponding statement at a briefing held at the governmental administration this evening.
The restriction will enter into force tomorrow, from 12:00 PM, meaning that citizens throughout the country will be banned from driving cars during the mentioned period.
Restrictions do not apply to the transportation of cargo and distribution vehicles. Shops, pharmacies, food delivery services, and all other permitted facilities will continue to operate as usual.
In addition, starting April 17, visiting cemeteries is also prohibited throughout the country.
Chikovani added that starting tomorrow, wearing medical face masks in closed public spaces will become mandatory.
The PM's spokesperson once again urged the population to adhere to imposed restrictions and stay at home for their own safety.
By Ana Dumbadze
Title: Re: Can't drive my car for 4 days
Post by: BillyB on April 16, 2020, 12:04:08 PM
As a part of the State of Emergency, it will be completely forbidden to drive a car in the country from 12:00 PM of April 17 to 21 April.
Advisor to the Prime Minister Irakli Chikovani made the corresponding statement at a briefing held at the governmental administration this evening.
The restriction will enter into force tomorrow, from 12:00 PM, meaning that citizens throughout the country will be banned from driving cars during the mentioned period.



Pretty extreme measures taken considering Georgia reports a few hundred infected and only 3 people dead. Sounds like they're underreporting. How full are the hospitals in Georgia right now?
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: msmob on April 16, 2020, 12:48:32 PM
 What Maxx may not know is that the opposition are trying to politicise this sensible approach - to  get businesses working ...   There might be protests - which of course could explain stopping moving in or out of 4 cities ?  Who can say ?

Not sure how Maxx would know any more than the news on stopcov.ge..  Says 558 hospitalised
Title: Re: Can't drive my car for 4 days
Post by: Maxx2 on April 16, 2020, 01:39:47 PM

Pretty extreme measures taken considering Georgia reports a few hundred infected and only 3 people dead. Sounds like they're underreporting. How full are the hospitals in Georgia right now?


Billy, what is the sense of banning automobiles while people walk on the streets?



http://georgiatoday.ge/news/20646/COVID-19-in-Georgia%3A-340-Infected%2C76-Recover


3 women with severe heart problems ages 79, 81 and 86 are listed as dying from the coronavirus. Last year 46,659 Georgians died from various causes.


The parking lots here are are deserted. Everyone is in need of employment except certain professions such grocery store employees, pharmacy employees, hospital employees, the police and the politicians. They keep earning money and the curfews and travel restrictions don't apply to them. It only applies to people who were on the edge financially in the first place.


I've got my inner circle. We all try and to help and look out for each other. With my $1297.50 a month pension I'm the one-eyed man in the world of the blind. Tonight I had a Russian lesson. And I've employed people to help me set up my restaurant. That is delayed until at least the 21st. Everyone is glad to get the money. I think after this is over people will be closer.

Title: Why I can't drive my until April 22
Post by: Maxx2 on April 17, 2020, 11:25:56 AM
It was explained to me that the government did this because it was the Easter weekend and they wanted to discourage people from visiting their families and going to church. Makes sense.
Title: Re: Why I can't drive my until April 22
Post by: BillyB on April 17, 2020, 12:36:15 PM
It was explained to me that the government did this because it was the Easter weekend and they wanted to discourage people from visiting their families and going to church. Makes sense.

Our government discouraged us too from attending church, even outlawing it but they educated the American public enough so we understand why and didn't take away our rights to drive. I guess the Georgian government doesn't trust citizens enough to stay home on this important holiday. In America we did have some goofy pastors telling people to attend church having the belief God will protect them from the virus. Those pastors forgot that God gave them a brain and He wants them to use it.
Title: Re: Why I can't drive my ( car out / in of the city ) until April 22
Post by: msmob on April 17, 2020, 10:50:22 PM
It was explained to me that the government did this because it was the Easter weekend and they wanted to discourage people from visiting their families and going to church. Makes sense.

I agree... some Political opposition are saying it was to stop demonstrations ..
Title: Re: Can't drive my car for 4 days
Post by: Maxx2 on April 19, 2020, 04:02:34 AM


People here can still walk to the stores and most do not have or use cars.


Traffic Completely Banned from 17 to 21 April
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As a part of the State of Emergency, it will be completely forbidden to drive a car in the country from 12:00 PM of April 17 to 21 April.
Advisor to the Prime Minister Irakli Chikovani made the corresponding statement at a briefing held at the governmental administration this evening.
The restriction will enter into force tomorrow, from 12:00 PM, meaning that citizens throughout the country will be banned from driving cars during the mentioned period.
Restrictions do not apply to the transportation of cargo and distribution vehicles. Shops, pharmacies, food delivery services, and all other permitted facilities will continue to operate as usual.
In addition, starting April 17, visiting cemeteries is also prohibited throughout the country.
Chikovani added that starting tomorrow, wearing medical face masks in closed public spaces will become mandatory.
The PM's spokesperson once again urged the population to adhere to imposed restrictions and stay at home for their own safety.
By Ana Dumbadze


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I seen another article where the Prime Minister is working on ways to further enforce their restrictions. Right now there is a 3000 GEL fine on individuals and 15,000 GEL on businesses that disobey. A woman recently got a 3000 GEL (BIG money over here) fine for selling tulips on the steps of some building (church?).


Every night I eat dinner with my Georgian family. I give Joggo 50 GEL a week to buy groceries. It is far more than what I eat but it helps the family. Afterwards I watch TV until about 8:30 PM because at 9 PM if I am caught outside I can be arrested but probably just fined a 1000 bucks




[/size]Police Detect 230 New Violations of State of Emergency
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230 new violations of the state of emergency were detected in the past 24 hours as a result of the monitoring carried out by the law enforcers throughout the country.
The Ministry of Internal Affairs reports that 71 citizens were fined for violating curfew across the country last night.
"The MIA of Georgia continues working for 24 hours in order to identify violators of the restrictions imposed within the framework of the curfew. In order to prevent the spread of coronavirus in the country, the police respond promptly to all violations. Law enforcers detected 230 new cases of violation of the curfew for the last 24 hours.
"71 citizens were fined for violating the curfew across the country last night. In addition, the police fined 68 citizens for violating the restrictions of gathering and the 2-meter social distancing. Law enforcers also fined 91 people for transporting passengers and violating the traffic rules," the Ministry said.
In case of violation of the established rules, individuals are fined GEL 3000 and legal entities - GEL 15000.
The Ministry of Internal Affairs calls on citizens to adhere to restrictions imposed within the framework of the state of emergency.
By Ana Dumbadze
 


After dinner I sit and watch TV with the family. The family is Joggo (age almost 61) his wife Nana (She works in the hospital as a nurse), their 17 year old son Nikka and their 2 daughters, Irma (23) and Inga (26). Inga used to sing in the Batumi opera but doesn't now due to the shutdown. I do not understand much of the news I see on their TV. From what I can see there is no questioning about how to open things back up. It is all video of flashing lights, hospital personnel running around, road blocks, military on the streets and depressed reporters excitedly reporting sad news.


On Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays I study Russian with Irma using Pimsluer that is on my laptop. I pay her 20 GEL for a 2 hour lesson. We make a list of the words and phrases which are the most common used in Russian conversation according to "doctor Pimsluer." The last half hour we do the back and forth thing of conversation. It also helps Irma with her English. She works in tourism but not now.


So far in a nation of 3.731 million people 4 people have died from the coronavirus. One today listed as the "victim" (gender not disclosed) as being "Over the age of 70 with chronic health conditions" and the other 3 were women ages 79, 81 and 86 with severe heart conditions. You got to wonder how many of these people would have died without getting covid 19?


The amount of coronavirus cases in Georgia in a population of 3,731,000 is 394, 86 have recovered. There is a depression all over the land not much from the virus but from not being able to earn an income. I see no effort, except my own, in getting ready for a life after this passes, if it passes.   
Title: Re: Can't drive my car for 4 days
Post by: BillyB on April 19, 2020, 09:22:02 AM
There is a depression all over the land not much from the virus but from not being able to earn an income. I see no effort, except my own, in getting ready for a life after this passes, if it passes.


Maxx, small nations like Georgia does not have the means and money to fight an epidemic. If they don't prevent exponential growth of infections, deaths and lose control of the virus, more suffering may happen if the economy and government collapses. Is the government making the best decision for the nation? Who knows? But they get to make decisions and you're going to have to endure the loss of freedoms for as long as the virus is running loose. My guess is Georgia is going to be strict and ease restrictions after they observe how a large nation successfully limits the virus's spread with minimum damage to the economy and medical community. It's going to be a balancing act from here on out until a vaccine if found.
Title: Re: Can't drive my car for 4 days
Post by: Maxx2 on April 19, 2020, 09:45:09 AM
Maxx, small nations like Georgia does not have the means and money to fight an epidemic. If they don't prevent exponential growth of infections, deaths and lose control of the virus, more suffering may happen if the economy and government collapses. Is the government making the best decision for the nation? Who knows? But they get to make decisions and you're going to have to endure the loss of freedoms for as long as the virus is running loose. My guess is Georgia is going to be strict and ease restrictions after they observe how a large nation successfully limits the virus's spread with minimum damage to the economy and medical community. It's going to be a balancing act from here on out until a vaccine if found.


The scheduled time to allow driving again is this Wednesday 2 days from now. The lifting of the 9 PM to 6 AM curfew and other restrictions on non essential business is supposed to be May 10th. But I doubt that. They and everyone else will find case after case of coronavirus stretching off into infinity.
Title: Re: Can't drive my car for 4 days
Post by: Maxx2 on April 21, 2020, 10:13:25 AM

The scheduled time to allow driving again is this Wednesday 2 days from now. The lifting of the 9 PM to 6 AM curfew and other restrictions on non essential business is supposed to be May 10th. But I doubt that. They and everyone else will find case after case of coronavirus stretching off into infinity.


I was right. The driving ban has been extended to April 27, five more days and the restrictions including the 9 PM till 6 AM curfew has been extended to May 22nd. Twelve more days of crippling the economy.



Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on April 21, 2020, 10:35:02 AM

A Russian women named Elena wrote:

Это просто ужас...Правительство, пр правительства, Вы взвешиваете решения??? Или вы все пенсионеры, которым уже нечего терять...читайте новости других стран, как взвешенно выравнивают весы между не терять бизнес и защищать людей... Вы только топите всех и все...


It's just awful ... Government, pr governments, do you weigh decisions ??? Or are you all pensioners who have nothing to lose ... read the news of other countries, how to balance the balance between not losing your business and protecting people ... You just drown everyone and everything ...
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on April 22, 2020, 02:32:19 PM

Hello Givi, I just seen your message.


I am trapped in my apartment. I am too far from my business to walk to it. Every weekday at 4 PM I study Russian with Irma. I pay her of course. I figure it helps the family. Afterward about 6 PM I go to the kitchen where Nana has supper for me. She is a good cook. Then after that I sit in the living room with the family and watch a Turkish soap opera dubbed into Georgian. I have recognized about 3 words, Gamajoba, Knock-vam-dease and mody. On the soap opera there is a very good looking redhead that never smiles. I wondered if there is something wrong with her teeth?


At 8:30 I go back to my apartment before I violate the curfew. I don't want a 3000 Lari fine or get thrown in Georgian jail...


Meanwhile I got people setting things up at my business. I get sent photos of the progress. Today the kitchen is operational. Little good it does me because I am in prison lockdown until the 27th. However I expect to see on the news on the 26th another extension and they will do that until the Georgia economy collapses and there are food riots in the streets.


Misha didn't put a hole in the sink for the faucet so we had to rig up a plastic one. When he comes back this way (When will that be??) he will bring a tool to make a hole for the metal faucet which we got. Also there was no access door in the sink unit so we had to take off the front. We can't get the city to give us a permit to hook to the gas line outside since they are closed. So we hooked up a Turkish cylinder to hold us over.


The last photo is of some inserts for the hot and cold units. Misha made only one long. We need 4 more. The short piece 12 more otherwise the units cannot hold the containers like they are supposed to. I think Misha was in such a hurry to get to me and get paid he forgot (?) to do a lot of things. I paid him 150 Lari for this but the  prison lockdown came.


The woman that worked next door, Khatuna will be working with me. She is an administrator and can help me with getting this business started. Once I can drive again I will start working with her on all the things we need to do. And they are a lot! Being in prison lockdown sure makes this difficult!


Other than that everything is OK. How is it going for you? Or shouldn't I ask?


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Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Grumpy on April 22, 2020, 03:22:28 PM
Are fire suppression systems required there? Range hood fires are not unusual in commercial kitchens. You should definitely consider buying a couple of dry chemical fire extinguishers.

Best wishes, lots of luck, and stay well.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on April 22, 2020, 03:54:20 PM
Are fire suppression systems required there? Range hood fires are not unusual in commercial kitchens. You should definitely consider buying a couple of dry chemical fire extinguishers.

Best wishes, lots of luck, and stay well.


There is a gas detector there. No fire suppression here. Too expensive for the businesses. I will be getting fire extinguishers and a exit map to hang. I am friends with the owners of the gym I used to go to (It is closed). They know the city rules. There will be an inspector who will tell us what to do and come back in a month to see if it is done. However I suspect that they will expect to see every change done first before allowing me to open. It's going to be a while. Maybe six or seven weeks, providing of course they let me travel by car. Maybe I should hire a horse, carriage and driver? Motorcycles and scooters are also exempt from the ban and inclosed vehicles are not?
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: ML on April 22, 2020, 04:18:23 PM

Misha didn't put a hole in the sink for the faucet so we had to rig up a plastic one.

Some years back a friend contracted to have a new house built.

As final stage, landscapers came to put in yard, etc.

Only then was it discovered there were no water faucets provided on the outside of the house.

More recently, I was just walking through a house nearing completion as an electrician had invited me in.

He pointed out how refrigerator door would only open about a third of the way before it hit a counter top.

Some years back, I was in a new house where stairway to second floor would only accommodate a person with a height of about 5 foot 8 inches.

Another time I was told about a very expensive house whose entire two story structure (only framed up at the time) leaned somewhat during a strong wind.  It was never corrected, so some interior walls are noticeably off plumb by up to 2 inches.

And yet in another instance, plumbers told me of case where inexperienced guy thought the purple cleaner used on PVC drainage pipe was actually the glue, so he only used it and never told anyone until after concrete was poured for basement floor (pipe was under such basement).
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on April 22, 2020, 04:26:02 PM



My plan is finish setting up the kitchen.


Train Khatuna in making Tex-Mex food. She will train others but at first we have to do everything.


Photograph the food dishes. I will hang these photos along the wall by the hot unit. The photos will also be used in the online menu for Menu.ge, Glovo and Wolt. delivery services. And for the menu.


Anyway I got a long list of things for Khatuna to do. She has the education and experience in Georgian business administration. She will be working with the local government to make sure we are compliant with city rules and regulations. In the past there was very little of those. Now I suspect that will change.


Then there are things like the terms of Coca Cola. I would like to install a fountain machine and have what they do in the States. Buy a Coke product and you get unlimited refills. However I don't know the unit cost (I'll figure it) so I don't know if I can do that. But I will check. One thing is they give free furniture and a free Coke refrigerator that can be used to store beer, water and other beverages along with the Coke.


I've been searching Amazon for various things to buy. As example:


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I'll hang this in the window.


I have on order a Texas flag and a Mexican flag to hang over the kitchen overhang. And I have this on order but it won't be here until late July.


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Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on April 22, 2020, 04:53:51 PM
Some years back a friend contracted to have a new house built.

As final stage, landscapers came to put in yard, etc.

Only then was it discovered there were no water faucets provided on the outside of the house.

More recently, I was just walking through a house nearing completion as an electrician had invited me in.

He pointed out how refrigerator door would only open about a third of the way before it hit a counter top.

Some years back, I was in a new house where stairway to second floor would only accommodate a person with a height of about 5 foot 8 inches.

Another time I was told about a very expensive house whose entire two story structure (only framed up at the time) leaned somewhat during a strong wind.  It was never corrected, so some interior walls are noticeably off plumb by up to 2 inches.

And yet in another instance, plumbers told me of case where inexperienced guy thought the purple cleaner used on PVC drainage pipe was actually the glue, so he only used it and never told anyone until after concrete was poured for basement floor (pipe was under such basement).


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And this woman was concerned our vent pipe might be an eyesore to the common area behind the restaurant




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Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on April 22, 2020, 05:14:06 PM



A conversation I had with Alex my general contractor


Alex: We should contact all the neighbors to get their approval to run a pipe to the roof.


Me: Are you kidding? Do you see what it looks like out there? (See above) Most of the vents dump right out. If we run a pipe to the roof why would anyone complain?
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: BillyB on April 22, 2020, 09:08:36 PM

I got a headache looking at all the eyesores. Interesting to see what people in other countries get away with. Hope your place don't burn down.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on April 23, 2020, 09:36:20 AM
Billy, you know the building here. Everything is concrete and cinder blocks with steel roofs and bank vault doors. No much to burn.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on April 23, 2020, 09:39:36 AM



Announcement today. 3000 lari fine ($1000) for driving your car on the street. Second offense 6 years in prison. From it looks like the driving ban which is supposed to be lifted Tuesday might go on for a while. The Georgian government sure is good at one thing, strangling the economy.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: msmob on April 23, 2020, 09:41:47 AM
It seems pretty effective at stifling the spread of the virus ...
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Hammer2722 on April 23, 2020, 01:59:34 PM


Announcement today. 3000 lari fine ($1000) for driving your car on the street. Second offense 6 years in prison. From it looks like the driving ban which is supposed to be lifted Tuesday might go on for a while. The Georgian government sure is good at one thing, strangling the economy.


Sorry Maxx but what good is a business if your not around to run it or most of the customers get sick and die? People are more important than money....
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: BillyB on April 23, 2020, 10:02:04 PM
Billy, you know the building here. Everything is concrete and cinder blocks with steel roofs and bank vault doors. No much to burn.


Building made of concrete, steel and glass help limit fires but it didn't stop the World Trade Center from burning down. In the photo below is a Russian building burning. After the fire was put out, it was still standing. The wiring in your building looks like it was done by somebody that didn't go to school.

Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on April 24, 2020, 04:46:48 AM

Sorry Maxx but what good is a business if your not around to run it or most of the customers get sick and die? People are more important than money....


I think I can get my rent down to $200 a month or so until the tourists return. Employees there will be two at about $200 per month each. The short term hope is for the restaurant to generate a few hundred dollars a month in take-out food. With that and a comfortable amount of money left over for me from my pension I can keep it afloat. Then hope and plan for a future when tourists (Which Georgia is dependent upon) can eat in restaurants.


Another factor to keep in mind in regard to getting the flights and tourists back is apartment sales. Both Batumi and Tbilisi have a huge construction industry of new apartment buildings for people to invest in and buy for their retirement. Would you buy an apartment that you've never seen? There must be huge pressure upon the Georgian government by the contractors like ORBI to allow these investors/buyers into the country.   


Supposedly I am supposed to be able drive on the 28th. If so I can get to the restaurant and get things going for the next phase. I think the driving ban was not meant to stop covid-19 but to limit political opposition. Read between the lines the article below I will post. I suspect much of the reaction to covid-19 is based on political motives and NOT the spread of the disease. This is probably true here in Georgia and where you live. Nationalism was winning over Globalism.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on April 24, 2020, 04:47:45 AM



Okhanashvili Explains When 6 Years in Prison will be Used as Punishment
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"We have not tightened anything and we will not use the recently adopted amendments under the current state of emergency," Anri Okhanashvili, Chairman of the Parliamentary Committee on Legal Affairs, said while explaining the amendments adopted by the Parliament yesterday.
He noted that under the current state of emergency, repeated violation of quarantine and isolation rules will be punishable by up to 3 years in prison.
He also explained when persons will be sentenced to 6 years in prison.
"Certain groups have tried to mislead the public, as if the Georgian Parliament has increased the sanction to 6 years in prison and as if this sanction will be used from now on.
"This is misinformation. I would like to clarify that the decree of the President of Georgia is in force today. We will not use the recently adopted amendments under the current state of emergency. The presidential decree provides for imprisonment up to 3 years and it shall be applied in case of the repeated violation of the administrative law.
"As for the amendments, I would like to explain to the public that we have made changes to the Criminal Code that concerns not only the violation of the state of emergency, but the martial regime as well, and the changes provide for responsibility of up to 6 years in prison in case of repeated violation”, the MP said.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on April 24, 2020, 11:47:24 AM



Hurray!!!



Some Restrictions, Including on Cars, to Be Lifted from April 27
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The movement of private cars and taxis, online shopping, delivery services and open agrarian markets will be allowed in the country from April 27, Prime Minister of Georgia Giorgi Gakharia announced while presenting the anti-crisis economic plan today.
The head of government added that restrictions imposed on the movement of public intercity transport will not be lifted.
The PM noted that the restrictions will be lifted for all companies that comply with the protocol developed by the Ministry of Health.
"On April 27, we will begin the first phase of easing restrictions and opening up the economy, which means that from April 27, it will be fully allowed to drive cars. In addition, the operation of taxis, online shopping - wholesale and retail, delivery of any product and operation of open-type agrarian markets will be fully allowed," he said.
However, citizens will still have to follow protocols developed by the Ministry of Health: for instance, taxi drivers must wear a mask, while special epidemic control mechanisms will be applied in relation to open agrarian markets.
By Ana Dumbadze
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on April 25, 2020, 12:09:50 AM



Government's 6-phase Plan for Reopening Georgian Economy
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On Friday, the Georgian government presented a 6-phase plan to reopen the country’s economy.

The plan will be activated step-by-step with two-week intervals over the next three months. Officials will be monitoring during and in between the phases to make sure that easing the restrictions doesn't cause the pandemic to get out of hand.


The first phase starts on April 27 and from then on it will be allowed to:
Drive private cars. Taxis will begin running again, but not public transportation. While no special permits will be necessary to drive, traveling to and from Tbilisi, Kutaisi, Batumi, and Rustavi will still be limited. On April 27 and 28, as an exception, people will be allowed to drive from or to these four cities, “if and when they are returning to their actual places of domicile,” according to the gov’t press service.
E-commerce. Internet shopping has been restricted since April 1.
Delivery services.
Open-air agricultural markets.


Second phase: May 11 – May 24, from which time the following will be allowed:
Construction works, construction supervision, and manufacturing of construction materials.
Car wash and auto-service facilities.
Computer and home appliance repairs.
Recreation areas will reopen.



Third phase: May 25 – June 7
Retail and wholesale stores reopen. This does not include malls.
Publishing facilities reopen. Restrictions lifted on all types of open markets, all types of production activities

Fourth phase: June 8 – June 21
Shopping malls reopen.
Restaurants and on-site food facilities reopen.
Financial services, beauty salons, and aesthetic medicine facilities reopen.


Fifth phase: June 22 – July 5
All types of markets, on-site restaurants/catering facilities reopen.


Sixth phase - July 6 – July 20
Entertainment, sports, recreational, creative, public gathering activities are allowed
Gambling.
Hotels start welcoming guests.
Educational institutions and all other activities start functioning non-remotely.


All faciliies and businesses regardless of category will have to abide by hygiene standards set by the Ministry of Health, including social distancing measures and wearing of masks in closed commercial and other spaces.

Georgian Prime Minister Giorgi Gakharia outlined on Friday that the gov’t reserves the right to go back to the re-implementation of the restrictions if the pandemic worsens during any phase.

By Nini Dakhundaridze
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on April 26, 2020, 05:51:00 AM



The coronavirus death toll has risen to 6 in Georgia. The infected person, an 83-year-old man, was being treated in the First University Clinic in Tbilisi, and his condition was extremely serious. The deceased had other chronic illnesses along with coronavirus, including arrhythmia.
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At last common sense has come to Georgia. Too bad if it hasn't come to your part of the world, yet.

Tengiz Tsertsvadze: We Have to Learn to Live With Coronavirus
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Health experts have warned that humanity will have to coexist with the threat of coronavirus until a vaccine is developed.
General Director of Tbilisi Infectious Diseases Hospital, Tengiz Tsertsvadze, today said: “The current restrictions will have to be eased at some point as the country has to avoid an economic collapse; this is inevitable, as a lot of our citizens are already facing difficulties. However, we should understand that the lifting of restrictions will increase the risk of infection. We will have to learn to coexist with the virus. Mass testing in these conditions will certainly be helpful.”
By Elene Dzebisashvili
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: msmob on April 26, 2020, 08:35:23 AM


At last common sense has come to Georgia. Too bad if it hasn't come to your part of the world, yet.

Maxx,

You are in the Rep. of Georgia, who closed their borders and locked down EARLY ... hence the option to TRY to open up early ... 

Let's see how 'jubilant' you are if / when quarantine has to come back ...  ((
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on April 28, 2020, 10:37:14 AM


Tbilisi Republican Hospital: Most Critical Patient Beats Coronavirus
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The Head of the Emergency Department at the Republican Hospital, Tea Tavartkiladze, today announced the recovery of an "extremely critical" coronavirus patient, saying two COVID-19 tests have shown negative results.
Tavartkiladze added that two more patients are awaiting their discharge from the clinic.
“The condition of the two coronavirus patients is now stable. We have 4 recovered patients in total, 3 of whom will leave the clinic today. One patient's condition was critical. She has an oncohematological disease, which made it extremely hard to battle the infection. But I would like to inform everyone that the patient has recovered”, she said.
This is not the first case of a critical patient recovering from COVID-19 in Georgia. Doctors have managed to save lives of several critical patients, one of them with hardly 3% chance of survival.
By Elene Dzebisashvili
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on April 28, 2020, 10:38:41 AM



Minister: Georgia No Longer Expecting a Peak, We've Already Reached a Plateau
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The Minister of Health of Georgia, Ekaterine Tikaradze, said that the country is no longer expecting a peak of the coronavirus infection cases in April or May, as it has already reached a plateau as a result of appropriate measures.
She added that the next expectation is to manage the infection on this plateau (reach a state of little or no change after a period of activity or progress).
"Our goal was to avoid a peak in Georgia and to have a plateau. Today, we can say that we are no longer expecting a peak. A number of measures had been taken by the government for this purpose. In addition, our citizens have obeyed all the calls we have been making for two months. We are now seeing the joint result of all this, we are no longer expecting a peak in April or May, we already have a plateau and as a result of appropriate measures, the next expectation is to manage the infection on this plateau so as not to cause economic damage to the state. We can now manage the measures in the healthcare sector to allow the country to achieve economic progress and growth", Tikaradze told Imedi TV.
To date, 511 cases of coronavirus have been confirmed in the country, while 156 patients have recovered and 6 have died.
By Ana Dumbadze
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on April 28, 2020, 11:27:50 AM



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Got a few pieces the fabricator is going to make to seam together the tray where the tray is bussed.


Restaurants can officially open June 8th. Butumi is a closed city now. Khatuna, who I will be using to help me with the Georgian end of things can't get back until May 22nd. She stuck in a small village with her family. Meanwhile Ilona and I are working on the recipes and will doing photographs of the food et cetera. Lots of big and little things to do until Khatuna arrives. The focus has shifted from providing food for tourist (Mostly Slavic) to Georgians. I test marketed the food with the people at the gym and they really liked it. Before that I had tried Chinese food American style. Not a hit. Too sweet for the Georgia pallet. Mexican food, which nobody has ever eaten, was well received.


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The plastic faucet is a temporary measure until we get a hole that needs a special tool to cut into the sink. We had to use a "Turkish cylinder" as the gas company, who we need to get a hook up to the gas main, is closed.


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We need 6 more of these inserts to rest the trays on and 10 of the long inserts. This is the hot dry unit. It doesn't require water. The same thing for the cold unit, no water needed. Water units are problematic with corrosion and humidity.     
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: BillyB on April 28, 2020, 12:00:23 PM

The plastic faucet is a temporary measure until we get a hole that needs a special tool to cut into the sink.


Hole saw is what you need. Or you can take a drill bit and drill small holes to form the size circle you need.

http://www.amazon.com/Drillpro-Hole-Drill-Stainless-Metal/dp/B06XPHQWC9?ref_=fsclp_pl_dp_3
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on April 28, 2020, 02:36:15 PM
Hole saw is what you need. Or you can take a drill bit and drill small holes to form the size circle you need.

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We tried one of those and got nowhere. Just got some scratch marks on the steel. Drilled some holes in it and tried using a reciprocal saw.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on May 01, 2020, 11:38:04 AM
Coronavirus Death Toll Rises to 7 in Georgia
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Georgia has reported a seventh coronavirus-related death today, stopcov.ge reported on Friday evening.
The infected person, an 83-year-old man, was being treated in the First University Clinic in Tbilisi.
Doctor Lali Turdzeladze said that the deceased had severe chronic illness along with coronavirus, in particular, Diabetes Mellitus, and he was one of the most serious patients.
The number of confirmed cases in the country stands at 566, while 207 people have recovered.
5 243 people are in a 14-day mandatory quarantine and 550 are under observation in hospitals.
By Ana Dumbadze
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on May 04, 2020, 11:50:16 PM

"Wearing Face Masks, Social Distancing Become Part of Our Lives" How does that work in a restaurant? How does it work for the owner of the restaurant when he can't seat people back to back and can only seat a third as many people? Does he lay off two-thirds of his waiters and waitresses? Does he turn customers away at the door and make them wait on the sidewalk like they do now at grocery stores? How is this going to affect tourism? Will people travel to Georgia knowing they will have to stand out front of restaurants for hours every day? People seating at restaurants are not like shoppers at grocery stores. They don't quick go in and quick go out. They take their time eating and enjoying each other's company. 

The truth is nobody knows what they are doing. Take for the example the lifting today of the ban on auto mechanics servicing cars. Why wasn't that considered an essentual service? I got a slow air leak in my car's tire. Can't find anyone to replace the tire or fill it with air, until today. My power steering pump also has a slow leak. Can't find anyone to repair it, until today. I am sure I am not alone with these problems. Perhaps it would be best for the government to consult with the common citizens of this country? Would there have been a ban of auto mechanics if they had been consulted first before shutting down their service?

So what is going to happen? Expect life will go on as it once was, with minor adjustments. The manager of the Heathrow Airport said social distancing of keeping two meters apart is just not possible. I've been to the Istanbul airport and imagine a social distancing of two meters apart. The line at passport control would be a kilometer in length! It would have to go outside, maybe on to the runway! No, what will happen is people will understand how impractable social distancing and wearing face masks are. We will have learn to live with the latest flue virus. Perhaps build a "herd immunity" and accept the fact a certain number of people every year will get a virus (They always have). Sweden and New Zealand 2.0. Life HAS to go on as it once did. Without that there will be no economic recovery and no tax revenue to help the people and pay for government.


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Hi Maxx. You are defintely correct in saying nobody knows what they are doing. All of us--normal people and people 'in-charge'--are proceeding as best as we can, deciding based on what info is available and acting on them with the hope that it actually works or at least helps. At least until someone can finally figure all of this out and tell the rest of us how to deal with it. In the meantime, there will be many more inconviences to endure, many more adjustments to make, further loss to bear with...not saying these to be negative but to be able to put things in better perspective. Its hard, no one is going to contest that. Harder for some, not as much for some. If its any consolation, this is one situation where we can all agree no one is benefitting from but we are all trying to minimise its impact in our individual lives.


F (http://www.facebook.com/fermin.morales.777701)M Thank you for your comment.

As heartless as this might sound we must figure a way to use this situation to our advantage. Take me for example. I am in the process of opening Georgia's first Tex-Mex restaurant. I've test marketed this food here in Batumi and it is greatly liked. I will have at least 2 employees that I want to provide a living wage to. And there are others that benefit financially from me living here. My restaurant will probably work if I make it (as I have) as a take-out place. I am not sure you know of the Chipotle model?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=9... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=9&v=65WLfvHGRPM&feature=emb_logo&fbclid=IwAR0dZaPnyKdHN06DJrKnjKt8WxdZDO1DdBDk7b-tlynHOwmuCTHXxMquKJs)

I've modeled my restaurant off of that. Now people can come in and have their burritos, tacos or Mexican sharma made their way with their chosen ingrediants and go out the door and eat it at the beach, in their hotel rooms or across the street in the park in front of the Armenian church. No need to stand and wait for hours to get served.

Honestly I think things will HAVE to go back to normal.

Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: 2tallbill on May 12, 2020, 10:37:20 PM
"Wearing Face Masks, Social Distancing Become Part of Our Lives"

Maxx,

I don't have the answers for you but there are innovative people that have
come up with some. I think if you do some research you can find some that
might help.

Maybe use bench seats with plexiglass on the back push the tables further
apart. There are people coming up with some solutions and I will bet if you
spend 6-8 hours checking out restaurant websites you will come up a creative
solution that could help with your situation. Maybe offer some take out solution
could help as well.

I wish you luck and success!



Bill
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on May 19, 2020, 10:17:18 PM
What I posted in response to the latest round of government madness.


Quote
Damn it! You want tourism to return to Georgia? And get people working and PAYING TAXES again yet you do this to restaurant owners? Do you realize how impractical this is? Who is going to come to Georgia if they can't go to restaurants because they all went out of business due to social distancing rules?

"The Gastronomy Association of Georgia has published a list of requirements for owners of food facilities for work during the COVID-19 period, developed by the National Labor Inspectorate, the National Tourism Administration and the Georgian National Food Agency.

What is required from owner
[/size]s and employees of institutions:[/color]

[/size]- provide advance booking of seats (tables); (Okay, standing practice of reserving tables)[/color]

[/size]- conduct daily thermoscreening (temperature measurement) of visitors and employees of the institution; (Okay, check temperatures even though those with coviid might not show a high temperature) [/color]

[/size]- the distance between the tables in the room should be at least two meters; (Looks like I can only have one table in my restaurant instead of 5)  [/color]

[/size]- the distance between visitors should be at least a meter; (That is why my sole table will have to be up against the far wall and will only seat 4 because if it was longer We'd get within 100 centimeters of visitors.) [/color]

[/size]- no more than six persons are allowed to sit at one table. The exception is members of the same family and adolescents under 12 years of age; (Yet up to ten people can be together according to the new ruling? Should we check IDs to make sure they are in the same family? Should our customers bring their birth certificates with them? )[/color]

[/size]- in order to avoid direct contact of visitors with the bar, it is necessary to provide individual customer service with drinks; (What does this mean?)[/color]

[/size]- if it is not possible to provide a distance between the tables of at least 2 meters, then it is necessary to establish temporary protective barriers; (Somebody is going to make a lot of money selling plywood and other barriers to keep people in cubes. Looks like outside seating is now illegal even with a government permit. Should we or could we put up barriers on the sidewalk for outside seating? Will we need permits for the city for these barriers? How tall are these barriers supposed to be?)[/color]

[/size]- it is necessary to use an individual reception (farewell) of visitors; (What does that entail?)[/color]

[/size]- use printed disposable menus. In the event that an electronic menu is available, then disinfectants should be nearby; (We have a bottle of disinfected on every table. I'll have it put next to the salt and pepper shaker)[/color]

[/size]- Information on measures necessary to prevent COVID-19 should be established in a conspicuous place." (Okay and I'll tell them masks cannot and do not filter out viruses and prolonged use can be harmful to respiratory health. Have you noticed how many people wear their masks below their noses? Are you going fine and put out of business restaurant owners because their cooks stop wearing masks that restrict their breathing? )[/color]
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on May 19, 2020, 11:43:47 PM

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One hundred and forty three centimeters from tip to tip (4 foot 7 inches). To be hung over the kitchen beneath the Texas Flag we have. The Mexican flag will be hung on the wall next to a painting of cactuses.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on May 19, 2020, 11:54:10 PM



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- if it is not possible to provide a distance between the tables of at least 2 meters, then it is necessary to establish temporary protective barriers;


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Sidewalk seating is allowed but we will have to put up "temporary barriers" to force passerbys to keep far enough away. I'll make them out of the cheapest looking material I can find. Like cardboard boxes bums sleep in.




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Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on May 20, 2020, 12:00:41 AM



While mom and pop restaurants need to close big business like McDonalds are allowed to service customers in drive throughs in cars or as pedestrians. They just cannot come inside and place orders.


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Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on May 20, 2020, 10:06:30 AM



The reason I post about Georgia and its response to covid-19 is I hope that the people here will see the parallels between this small country and their own.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: msmob on May 20, 2020, 12:29:11 PM
Yup. Georgia has been strict and kept the R zero number down and deaths ...NOT the case in neighbouring nations
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on May 26, 2020, 10:13:48 PM



I decided I am going to take my time in opening my restaurant.


I was hoping to open in early July. But I think it is best to hold off and see how it goes with the coming new regulations and the economy. 


In the meantime I am having fun. Since this is a Tex-Mex restaurant the plants of decorative choice will be cactuses. I am going to find a potter with a kiln (I think what it is called) and hire an art student to paint Mexican art designs on them. Have you seen the cost of genuine Mexican ceramic art? Yikes!


I'll be having parties all the time at my place. This will give us practice. "Us" is Khatuna and I. Khatuna is with her father, mother and sister during lockdown in their village and will be coming back to Batumi this weekend. Sunday she will meet me at my restaurant. We will be preparing the Tex-Mex food for my birthday party at the gym. The owner also has the same birthday.


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Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: BillyB on May 26, 2020, 10:30:37 PM
I decided I am going to take my time in opening my restaurant.


I thought Georgia made that decision for you but if you want all the credit for making that decision, alrighty then!
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on May 26, 2020, 10:48:25 PM
I thought Georgia made that decision for you but if you want all the credit for making that decision, alrighty then!


I understand and appreciate your humor.


What I meant by that Bill was that even if I could open, and I am supposed to be able June 8th, I am not going to. I think it is quite possible that the Georgia government might impose a lot of rules in regards to social distancing. They have already mentioned using "barriers" if the tables are closer than 2 meters. How high the barriers have to be, they didn't specify. My guess is due to the impracticality of this and the pressure from the tourist industry they will relax their requirements. Think for example doing the 2 meter apart thing at the Batumi or Tbilisi opera. I don't know what percentage of chairs that would have to go empty but it would be very high. I know in my small restaurant where I had room for 6 tables, now due to the 2 meter rule, only 2. Will tourism, which 20+% of the Georgian economy depends upon, return if tourists can't find places in restaurants? Will there be any tourists at all with all the lack of money out there. The only hope is people are REALLY ready to live their lives again.


One advantage Georgia has in all of this is is that Georgians are used to living on very little money.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: BillyB on May 27, 2020, 08:33:42 AM
What I meant by that Bill was that even if I could open, and I am supposed to be able June 8th, I am not going to. I think it is quite possible that the Georgia government might impose a lot of rules in regards to social distancing. They have already mentioned using "barriers" if the tables are closer than 2 meters.


If too many restaurant owners think like you, the ones that do open will get the lions share of the business. In my State, while dining in restaurants are prohibited, take out and drive throughs can stay open. While it's not worth it for a big restaurant to stay open, The small restaurants that do take out and fast food with drive throughs are extremely busy because people are eager to get out of their homes and eat something else. I've never seen drive through lines as long as they are this last month.

Factor in the costs of those barriers and if you feel Georgians still have money in their pockets, they may be eager to go out and eat after having to stay home a long period of time. Also by putting up barriers, hand sanitizer stations and doing other things to show you care, people will be more likely to eat at your place than the other guy who cuts corners and pays the local officials to look the other way.

Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on May 27, 2020, 08:24:06 PM



Shopping Malls, Open-Air Restaurants to Reopen from June 1

"From June 8, all kinds of services will be opened in restaurants. Also, hotels that are inspected by the relevant agencies of the Ministry of Health and have the appropriate permits, will be able to resume functioning. In addition, intercity transport will reopen."
Intercity Transport to Reopen from June 8. (The trains, buses and marsukas will be back in service)
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on June 10, 2020, 01:11:54 AM



Since many people here like to give business advice and I listen, should the paper come out from the front as shown? Or out the back?


(http://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49991082592_9f18340dbd_b.jpg)
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: msmob on June 10, 2020, 01:14:34 AM
people will be more likely to eat at your place than the other guy who cuts corners and pays the local officials to look the other way.

Hmm,

Are you NOW claiming Georgia is corrupt ?

That's a new opinion.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Trenchcoat on June 10, 2020, 02:48:03 AM


Since many people here like to give business advice and I listen, should the paper come out from the front as shown? Or out the back?


(http://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49991082592_9f18340dbd_b.jpg)

Hi Maxx, I would definitely say the back, it looks more classy and I'm sure more what people are used to. I think practically it's easier to take off the back without it rolling and getting in the way also.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: ML on June 10, 2020, 07:56:09 AM
I think practically it's easier to take off the back . . .

Totally wrong.  Often hard to find the beginning edge if it is in the back.

Front hanging is the only way to go.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on June 10, 2020, 08:50:27 AM
Totally wrong.  Often hard to find the beginning edge if it is in the back.

Front hanging is the only way to go.


Unless you are a restauranteur and want to limit the amount of TP used by your customers. But since I want to serve unlimited amounts of Coca Cola (free refills), Mexican rice and beans (inexpensive food items) having generous amount of TP on hand rather fits doesn't? 
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: BillyB on June 10, 2020, 09:36:42 AM
Hmm,

Are you NOW claiming Georgia is corrupt ?

That's a new opinion.

Get your head examined. I never said Georgia was corrupt. You and other average people may walk by a building and not understand but when I looked at the photos Maxx provided that shows wiring on buildings that aren't up to code, I know the inspectors can be paid off to look the other way.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: msmob on June 10, 2020, 09:38:56 AM

Unless you are a restauranteur and want to limit the amount of TP used by your customers. But since I want to serve unlimited amounts of Coca Cola (free refills), Mexican rice and beans (inexpensive food items) having generous amount of TP on hand rather fits doesn't?

Maxx, I trained in hospitality, tourism and hotel management

Offering free refills, in poorer nations,  could mean you'll have seats occupied all day and a full restaurant unable to accommodate more paying clients ..
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: msmob on June 10, 2020, 09:44:39 AM
Get your head examined. I never said Georgia was corrupt. You and other average people may walk by a building and not understand but when I looked at the photos Maxx provided that shows wiring on buildings that aren't up to code, I know the inspectors can be paid off to look the other way.

1/ You have never BEEN to the Rep of Georgia and haven't dealt with forming  biz, getting married, taxation..

2/ Don't confuse it with Ukraine or Russia  ... corruption was largely exterminated ..

3/ Officials are more about encouraging biz and not too much about enforcing standards





Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Confederate on June 10, 2020, 12:15:44 PM
Maxx, I trained in hospitality, tourism and hotel management

Offering free refills, in poorer nations,  could mean you'll have seats occupied all day and a full restaurant unable to accommodate more paying clients ..

Sort of like offering free loot to violent rampaging criminals and looking the other way.

Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on June 10, 2020, 10:56:32 PM
Maxx, I trained in hospitality, tourism and hotel management

Offering free refills, in poorer nations,  could mean you'll have seats occupied all day and a full restaurant unable to accommodate more paying clients ..


Good point. Seconds then.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on June 10, 2020, 11:01:23 PM
1/ You have never BEEN to the Rep of Georgia and haven't dealt with forming  biz, getting married, taxation..

2/ Don't confuse it with Ukraine or Russia  ... corruption was largely exterminated ..

3/ Officials are more about encouraging biz and not too much about enforcing standards


Zero corruption that I see or have been told about. The only permits needed is to hook to the gas line and paint the outside of the building in the cultural heritage areas. Certain color paints et cetera. It seems anyone is allowed to do electrical or plumbing.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on June 10, 2020, 11:28:57 PM
For the first time in months I went to a restaurant. It was the Turkish restaurant I used to go to all the time. I noticed outside 4 men sitting at 2 tables. They were not 2 meters apart and the men were sitting not 1 meter apart as the rules require. But is is outside so the covid-19 virus has no power to spread? Anyway I go inside. I notice most of the tables are all pushed together and the rest are 2 meters apart. Not a single customer in the place where there was always a number of people. But hey the borders are closed. I go up to the food counter and pick out what I want. Then I go to the refrigerator and grab a bottle of Borjomi water and sit at a table. A masked waitress comes up to me and asks that I wear a face mask. I ask her "How do I eat wearing a face mask?" Probably like one of those Muslim women wearing a burka. She shrugs her shoulders and points up. I think she means it comes from government the god. I get up, put my bottle water back into the refrigerator and go to my car. As I am about to drive off I notice the waitress has my food on the tray ready to serve me. I drive off.


When I drive past the government center called "The bottle" I notice crowds of people usually standing quite close to each other. I notice a number of tents. Like the homeless have in LA. I asked what all this was about? I was told the crowds outside were people waiting for their numbers to be announced for entrance into the building. So they all crowd around each other and chat. Most of them are not wearing masks.


Nothing makes any sense. Mask wearing seems to be a sign of submission to authority. When will this madness pass?



Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: BillyB on June 11, 2020, 12:46:47 AM
The only permits needed is to hook to the gas line and paint the outside of the building in the cultural heritage areas. Certain color paints et cetera. It seems anyone is allowed to do electrical or plumbing.


It's extremely dangerous to be letting people do their own wiring. I hope you're not living in a building where neighbors are doing that. Bad plumbing can lead to dangerous vapors entering your living space. Construction permits are required in Tbilisi.

Unsafe buildings can lead to injury or death by monitoring construction through building permits; building inspection services let avoid such issues. The building, construction permits cover all aspects of the development including wiring, plumbing, and structural integrity. It is essential because there are many fires caused by faulty wiring or ill-health from poor plumbing. Poorly constructed structures may collapse with catastrophic consequences. The building, construction inspection services will inspect these aspects and more.

http://building-permits-inspection.com/tbilisi/tbilisi/georgia/


Zero corruption that I see or have been told about.


Then those inspectors need to do their jobs and require corrections on bad work instead of looking the other way.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on June 11, 2020, 02:22:58 AM

Then those inspectors need to do their jobs and require corrections on bad work instead of looking the other way.


The slackness of rule enforcement has to do with the lack of money.


I just got done talking to Ilona. We were comparing notes on life here with the covid insanity. She told me that people who were in stores not wearing masks were fined  50 GEL ($16.35). But the fine now has been reduced to 20 GEL ($6.55). We speculated that the reason it was lowered was because of complaints. 50 GEL is a lot of money here. The scary thing to me is the fines levied on business owners for non compliance to the covid hysteria, 10,000 GEL ($3,278.68). Many people don't make that much a year.


She said the real hassle she has felt is on the buses and marshukas. The safety nazis are everywhere. She is boycotting them and not using them. I told her I did the same with the one restaurant I had going to.


Ilona also said the big Euphoria Casino at Metro City is for sale. They are out of business for good. The shutdown, lockdown and curfew has done irreparable damage to Georgia.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACTkBLMcYwA


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1CxWw-athU
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on June 24, 2020, 06:19:03 AM



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Sidewalk seating is allowed but we will have to put up "temporary barriers" to force passerbys to keep far enough away. I'll make them out of the cheapest looking material I can find. Like cardboard boxes bums sleep in.



NOT complaining here, just telling you how it is.



I just found out from the King of Soya the city raised its permit price from 5 Lari a square meter for outside dining to 50 Lari per square meter. I think this for a year and not a month. Nothing like helping the small businessman and the tourist industry. Flights are supposed to resume July 1st but the gymnasiums are supposed to stay closed till July 8th. So I suspect the resumption flights will be delayed for a while.


A bit over a total of 900 cases of covid happened in Georgia. About 750 recoveries and only 14 deaths. These were all from old people or people with severe health issues. Georgia closed its borders at the same time America did. Mid March. I did my visa run the day before the border was closed with Armenia. Fortunately for Georgia it did not have a lot of tourists from China.


Today my business neighbor had a guy mixing some red and white paint. I told her she needed a special permit from the Ministry of Cultural Heritage and the approved shade of paint. We went together to the place to get the permit. Our current understanding it is going to cost 500 GEL (about $160) to get the permit to paint the outside pillars of her (purple awning) place and my place (black awning). We are checking to see if we can get a price reduction seeing how little of a project it is. 


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Silly of the Ministry of Cultural Heritage to charge so much for a permit to help beautify the city it represents. No wonder outside so many buildings here are in need of paint and repair. My business landlord told me that the fine for not getting a permit is 5000 GEL (about $1600).
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on June 24, 2020, 06:27:36 AM
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What are these? They are the strips of stainless steel that fit inside the hot and cold units to hold up the trays. The builder of my restaurant equipment was in a hurried rush to get my equipment to me before the covid lockdown that he didn't make enough of them. He promised me to complete the job when the curfew, lockdown and city lockdowns were lifted. Now he tells my aid in Tbilisi that he is too busy to complete the job. I am so used to these kinds of things that it didn't fluster (when was the last time you heard that word?) me a bit. Tomorrow Alex and I are going to a shop that makes such things.






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Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on June 24, 2020, 06:31:00 AM



And at one hand the city makes it expensive and restrictive for some things. And for other things they turn a blind eye.


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The ramp is built over the bank of a creek that flows to the Black Sea. I guess a good place to do an oil change...   :clapping:
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: BillyB on June 24, 2020, 07:44:26 AM

Today my business neighbor had a guy mixing some red and white paint. I told her she needed a special permit from the Ministry of Cultural Heritage and the approved shade of paint. We went together to the place to get the permit. Our current understanding it is going to cost 500 GEL (about $160) to get the permit to paint the outside pillars of her (purple awning) place and my place (black awning). We are checking to see if we can get a price reduction seeing how little of a project it is. 


I can see getting a permit to paint the whole building but $160 to paint a couple of pillars for an awning? Why would painting a couple of pillars be something that has to be reported? They get to control what color everything gets painted? It seems inspecting paint is more important than inspecting electrical wiring.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: msmob on June 24, 2020, 08:08:24 AM
Ah, the former FSU...

It was my idea NOT to chance SC's surname name to mine, until it was time to change her RU intl passport...a year ahead at the time of our nuptials..

Given, she cannot travel, she ordered anew on early...

"No..we do not recognise your husband and you have agreed to this change"..

Contact Tbilisi..

"It is easier to do this if you divorce and remarry!".

In Britain, the lady simply declares how she wishes to be called and can get her new passport in that name..

The part of Batumi where Maxx' new place is very beautiful...

Top Gear's Jeremy Clarkson compared it to Monaco..
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on June 24, 2020, 08:05:52 PM
I can see getting a permit to paint the whole building but $160 to paint a couple of pillars for an awning? Why would painting a couple of pillars be something that has to be reported? They get to control what color everything gets painted? It seems inspecting paint is more important than inspecting electrical wiring.


There is something called "guerrilla filmmaking". That is to quick film something on a city street without a getting a city permit.  Post lookouts and shoot and scoot.
Title: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: 2tallbill on June 25, 2020, 09:32:51 AM

There is something called "guerrilla filmmaking". That is to quick film something on a city street without a getting a city permit.  Post lookouts and shoot and scoot.

They occasionally do similar in the US. Since no building official works
on the weekend they start the job at 3pm on a Friday and they are
cleaned up and cleared out by Sunday. You can also carry rusted out
water pipe plumbing in your pickup. Look inspector there was a leak
and we had fix it. Nobody is required to get a permit to stop a leak.   

Title: Republic of Georgia has become a speakeasy society
Post by: Maxx2 on June 26, 2020, 06:58:47 AM
They occasionally do similar in the US. Since no building official works
on the weekend they start the job at 3pm on a Friday and they are
cleaned up and cleared out by Sunday. You can also carry rusted out
water pipe plumbing in your pickup. Look inspector there was a leak
and we had fix it. Nobody is required to get a permit to stop a leak.


Cutting corners to avoid inspectors and law enforcement of the covid rules is becoming a way of life here. Business sold things out the back door when they were made to close. Knowing the right people who know the right people is the key. The gymnasium I go to is closed and probably will be for another month (July 1st shutdown of border has been delayed to July 31st) has people working out. Our weightlifting champion and his buddy a General in the Georgia Army can handle the police if they show up. It has become a speakeasy society. One of my next things to get is curtains for my store front window. These mandatory masks, the authorities' version of the burka. You must wear them when entering a building or be faced with a fine. And the owners of the enterprise is faced with fines ten times as much.

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Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on July 06, 2020, 11:22:09 PM



I keep pressing forward in getting my restaurant set up. Curtains for the windows, shelves in the closet and table and chairs are on the list of gets. I am in no hurry of opening though. Certainty is not a word to be associated with 2020.




Health Official: Internal Spread of the Virus is Very Minimal
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As of July 6, 2 new cases of coronavirus were confirmed in Georgia, bringing the total number to 953.
Marina Ezugbaia, the Medical Director of the Tbilisi Infectious Diseases Hospital, stated on Monday that both of the two new cases are imported, while infected persons are truck drivers.
In her words, most of the cases detected during the last 2 weeks have been imported and the infected persons are mostly truck drivers.
"The internal spread of the virus is very minimal, which makes us optimistic,” she emphasized.
In the past 24 hours, 2 more patients have recovered from the illness, which brings the total number of recoveries to 830.
3828 people are under a 14-day mandatory quarantine and 192 are under observation in hospitals.
15 people have died of the virus in the country.
Currently, there are 108 active cases in Georgia.
By Ana Dumbadze
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: msmob on July 07, 2020, 03:06:12 AM
Georgia in on a white list of nations considered safe by the EU.

Sadly, even if US passport holders can prove they have been there for months...They cannot travel.

There is a US sailing couple stuck in the UK.

They cannot get to use their Schengen Visa and cannot sell their US registered yacht as only a non EU or non EU citizen can sail off in the yacht...

http://www.youtu.be/53YW9rIxXZU (http://www.youtu.be/53YW9rIxXZU)

Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Trenchcoat on July 07, 2020, 06:10:19 AM
Georgia in on a white list of nations considered safe by the EU.

Sadly, even if US passport holders can prove they have been there for months...They cannot travel.

There is a US sailing couple stuck in the UK.

They cannot get to use their Schengen Visa and cannot sell there US registered yacht as only a non EU or non EU citizen can sail off in the yacht...

http://www.youtu.be/53YW9rIxXZU (http://www.youtu.be/53YW9rIxXZU)

Someone should tell them then that we are no longer in the EU so British people are Non-EU citizens :D
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Faux Pas on July 07, 2020, 06:59:56 AM
Georgia in on a white list of nations considered safe by the EU.

Sadly, even if US passport holders can prove they have been there for months...They cannot travel.

There is a US sailing couple stuck in the UK.

They cannot get to use their Schengen Visa and cannot sell there US registered yacht as only a non EU or non EU citizen can sail off in the yacht...

http://www.youtu.be/53YW9rIxXZU (http://www.youtu.be/53YW9rIxXZU)

 :offtopic:

Explain how this has anything to with Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi? Yeah I didn't think so
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: msmob on July 07, 2020, 08:46:58 AM
Mr Mistake,

Maxx is discussing Georgia..    He is not the only member on here who comes and goes there..I need to go there... and his biz will be relying on tourists ( particularly from RU and TR )

Georgia is opening up to TO tourists and Georgians can now travel to many EU destinations..

*I'm* pointing out that Maxx ( as an American) - who's in a 'safe' nation.. cannot travel to most countries and included an example of  US coule in the same 'boat' ( pun intended) .. the unfairness ... but I expect you've missed that.

If you feel my post required moderator intervention there is a 'report moderator' function.

I am quite happy for a new thread to be made ...   :popcorn:

Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: BillyB on July 07, 2020, 08:51:46 AM

In her words, most of the cases detected during the last 2 weeks have been imported


That's what a lot of leaders have been saying. They have it under control and most of the problems is coming in from somewhere else.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Faux Pas on July 07, 2020, 09:07:21 AM
Mr Mistake,

Maxx is discussing Georgia..    He is not the only member on here who comes and goes there..I need to go there... and his biz will be relying on tourists ( particularly from RU and TR )

Georgia is opening up to TO tourists and Georgians can now travel to many EU destinations..

*I'm* pointing out that Maxx ( as an American) - who's in a 'safe' nation.. cannot travel to most countries and included an example of  US coule in the same 'boat' ( pun intended) .. the unfairness ... but I expect you've missed that.

If you feel my post required moderator intervention there is a 'report moderator' function.

I am quite happy for a new thread to be made ...   :popcorn:

Mr Moron..

Maxx is discussing starting and running a business in the republic of Georgia, Batumi. I realize your need to look over that one eventuality just so you can defecate on every active thread but that fact remains. Your continued attempts to extract $6.92 from a pensioner is noted.

You are welcome to run to the mods if you wish because I set you straight, that is your prerogative but seriously, wouldn't it have been better to just start your own thread than pollute his?

Trying to sell a boat in the UK is hardly related
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: msmob on July 07, 2020, 09:09:50 AM
lots of silly words..

Take your issues up with someone who might give a ...

I offered a solution



Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Faux Pas on July 07, 2020, 09:29:27 AM
Oh please please please quit slamming your fist in my face

I offered a solution
You've offered dick. Just another attempt of your's to rub Maxx's nose in something. Leave him alone
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: msmob on July 07, 2020, 10:48:13 AM
You've offered dick. Just another attempt of your's to rub Maxx's nose in something. Leave him alone

Only you could try to suggest something that has never entered my head ..  :popcorn:





Title: Tinder
Post by: Maxx2 on July 08, 2020, 04:48:21 AM



I don't post here much because this board has become only about conflict. If I am wrong in that assessment it is because I don't bother to read any of the threads. I've got enough problems and worries and I am trying to keep my blood pressure near acceptable levels.


As many have said lately keeping up on the news is too depressing. Conservative intellectual Victor Davis Hanson (jb's favorite columnist) said the DRUDGEREPORT has become a "panic rag." now I get my news mostly from GeorgiaToday.ge and a peak at InfoWars ("There is a war on for your mind!!") now and then.


Recently (Sunday) I joined Tinder. I met two Georgian women ages 59 and 51. I am 67. I had a conversation for the first time this afternoon with both of them. Both speak English well but the younger one speaks it fluently. She also has experience of being an expat in Kuwait and in the US (California). She carries the same opinion and concerns I have about the reaction to covid-19. She lives about a 10 minute walk from my business. We will probably meet on Friday.


The other lady lives in Tbilisi. She is coming to Kobeleti in a week. It is the first city north of here. I will meet her then. She has a daughter and son-in-law that are lawyers. Her daughter has helped Iranians here set up businesses. I will travel to Tbilisi for a mini vacation and consult with her.

Everyday I get asked when will I open. My business neighbors are most eager for me to open. The street I am located on is the heart of the tourist area. The business next door is a jewelry store. The ladies there enjoy my food. Next to it is closed down bar called "Horosho". It was in business for only one month before the shutdown. What timing! I know how they feel... The owners took off and nobody knows if they will ever return. The next business down from the closed down bar is a Bit-Coin place. The owner there also likes my food. Next to him is an Indian restaurant that I often eat at. And the highlight of the street is a Irish green painted Irish bar called "The Cork." It is managed by a UAE woman named Zahara. Lots of expats hang out there. She is eager for me to open as she thinks my place will draw tourists to this part of town. I also got residential neighbors asking when I will open.

There are three main food delivery services here in Georgia, Menu.ge, Glovo and Wolt. According to the Indian restaurant owner they charge 30% of the cost of the food! And this explains something. A while back a few months after I left Tbilisi (October 2017) I got a call from Menu.ge on why I was no longer using Menu.ge? I told the young woman who called me I no longer lived in Tbilisi. Then the strangest thing happened. The young woman almost started crying! The reaction was like I had broken off our engagement to get married and she had loved me very, very much! Now I think I know why. I used to use menu.ge almost everyday. They got a lot of Lari off of me!
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Patagonie on July 08, 2020, 05:48:59 AM
Good luck for you with your Tinder prospects.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on July 08, 2020, 07:15:10 AM
Good luck for you with your Tinder prospects.


Thanks Pat. I am staying cool.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Patagonie on July 08, 2020, 07:44:54 AM
If there is anything I can do to help you with dating, tell me by  MP and we can have a skype session.
Title: Re: Tinder
Post by: BillyB on July 08, 2020, 09:39:23 AM
Everyday I get asked when will I open.


Your customers are hungry! You might do good if you open now, especially if you're opening up before your competition.
Title: Re: Tinder
Post by: Maxx2 on July 12, 2020, 01:07:01 AM

Your customers are hungry! You might do good if you open now, especially if you're opening up before your competition.


Yesterday an American woman and her UK husband asked me when we will be open. Later met them at the Indian restaurant down the street. She has been an expat for about 8 years. She had some useful suggestions and a link to a site she uses for expats in regard to taxes and other legal issues. So I slept well last night knowing one of my concerns might have a solution.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on July 12, 2020, 01:39:47 AM
Good luck for you with your Tinder prospects.


What really has me jazzed is what just happened just now with Tinder.


I see I am matched on Tinder with this Georgian woman. She is supposed to be 52 so I drop her a message. We exchange numbers and start chatting on Viber. She tells me her name so I can look her up on FB. I see a photo of two little girls ages 3 and 5. Are these her children? I am thinking being a good step dad might be a plus in my favor. DID I tell you this woman is drop dead gorgeous!? A stunner! But she looks much much younger than her years. I know this game.


Anyway I didn't bother contacting or calling her yesterday. I couldn't imagine this going anywhere. So this morning I send her this Viber message


"Good morning Rusilla


I noticed something on Tender. The age next to your photo says you are 52 years old. Yet when I look at your photos on your FB account you look much younger. You look younger on Tinder as well.


Yesterday I got a match. The woman looked like she was in her 50s but Tinder said she was 98!  :P


Anyway I don't pursue women old enough to be my daughter, mother or grandmother. "


So she texts me back:


"I look and feel younger
I know
But ill be 55 in august
I think it is just a number on profile I dont know the tinder its work
So my dear I am your grandmother  :D "



So I am thinking maybe photoshop or a false identity. Something is not right here.


She she tells me she is at work and we can video chat tonight. But she tells me I can video call her for a brief minute.


I am shocked! She is gorgeous! Looks like she is in her thirties! Everything beautiful, hair, shape of face, perfect nose and lips and big beautiful eyes! 5 foot five and 60 kilos.


She teaches English in Tbilisi. Has two sons and five grandchildren. She tells me I can be "number 6 grandchild :D " She has a sense of humor. 


So we are going to video chat tonight. If this seems to go somewhere I know I have to check out her life, friends, family et cetera. And if all goes well there, then have her check me out in Batumi.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: BillyB on July 12, 2020, 08:27:13 AM

If her profile says she's 98 and she looks like in her 30's and drop dead gorgeous, go for it. I've actually seen a fair amount of profiles say the age of the woman was 98 or 99. I don't know why the ladies maxed out the age. Maybe it's a code or they want to filter out certain men. I've also seen weight maxed out even on skinny women. Maybe they want to filter out men who cares about weight.
Title: A change in Georgian law that affects me, Moby and his business partner Misha
Post by: Maxx2 on August 06, 2020, 08:53:18 AM



My new employee Larissa, a White South African chef, got a message today from the Georgian government saying the 360 day residency rule will be suspended as of December 31st. No more border runs to get another 360 days of residency. We will have to get a business visa, work visa or legal permanent residency.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: BillyB on August 06, 2020, 09:12:38 AM

What are your chances in getting a visa or permanent residency with the pandemic going on?
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on August 06, 2020, 09:45:11 AM
What are your chances in getting a visa or permanent residency with the pandemic going on?


If the Georgian government wants tax revenue I would say the odds are good.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on August 06, 2020, 09:50:40 AM







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Larrisa and her South African friend Lulu. People LOVE to take selfies with my hats.
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Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on August 07, 2020, 02:54:04 AM



I found out why this about the 360 day rule ending. It was a letter from the South African ambassador advising its citizens to get prepared for a change in the 360 day rule.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: 2tallbill on August 07, 2020, 11:18:32 AM
People LOVE to take selfies with my hats.

Maybe you need one of those painted plywood cut out type things
some day

Photo too large for the page
http://tinyurl.com/yxov5o9j

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http://tinyurl.com/y359mthr
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: goldenstone on August 19, 2020, 04:35:32 AM


I found out why this about the 360 day rule ending. It was a letter from the South African ambassador advising its citizens to get prepared for a change in the 360 day rule.

 :clapping: Interesting story. I read thru all of it as Batumi was where I wanted to move this year but this got canceled due to obvious reasons and left me stuck.

Georgia ending the 365 day visa would be most unfortunate. But they seemed to have opened up this year for remote workers I read which might can help your case.
Also Armenia next door has way lower requirements in investment thresholds than Georgia.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: msmob on August 19, 2020, 09:28:02 AM

Also Armenia next door has way lower requirements in investment thresholds than Georgia.

Georgia v Armenia ..

No contest ..

One is trying to look to the west, t'other is still VERY reliant on mother Russia for physical protection and much more corrupt
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Trenchcoat on August 19, 2020, 02:42:11 PM
Georgia v Armenia ..

No contest ..

One is trying to look to the west, t'other is still VERY reliant on mother Russia for physical protection and much more corrupt

Armenia needs Russia as otherwise they would have no local ally when it is surrounded by enemies, i.e Azerbaijan & Turkey.

Georgia dances between the US and Russia, it wants protection from Russia from NATO but Russia's close proximity on it's border means it finds it difficult to ignore Russia until the US/NATO are totally onboard and can be relied upon to intervene. The GD are said to have Russian backing. Only a case of seeing whether their upcoming elections in October will be fair or go the way of Belarus. If they are fair then the PR system will mean the GD are likely to lose power to more west leaning parties.

The GD are said to be quite corrupt and not played fairly with foreign investment.

All up to speed now my dear Mobers ;)
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: msmob on August 20, 2020, 01:13:27 AM
Trench proves, once again, that he has never been to this region...especially. in respect to GE.....

The Rodina sided with separatists and has handed out passports to what GE regards as occupied parts of its territory...





Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Trenchcoat on August 20, 2020, 01:50:19 AM
Trench proves, once again, that he has never been to this region...especially. in respect to GE.....

The Rodina sided with separatists and has handed out passports to what GE regards as occupied parts of its territory...

Delighted to be able to educate you Mobers :)
Title: Should be up and running by the end of the month
Post by: Maxx2 on August 20, 2020, 09:12:21 AM



My chef knows how to push and get things done. Today she got really nice chairs chairs for 38.33 GEL ($12.44) a chair.


I need a business visa and she needs a worker's visa otherwise we might have to refugee to Armenia. A place she's been to and doesn't want to go again.


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I got a feeling my photos are too big for the page. Can they be corrected?

Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: msmob on August 20, 2020, 10:23:39 AM
Maxx

1/ The photos are fine

2/ If food photos make your juices flow.. that's a good sign

PS I've never been a fan of Mexican food  :applause:

Title: Re: Should be up and running by the end of the month
Post by: Confederate on August 20, 2020, 10:59:11 AM


My chef knows how to push and get things done. Today she got really nice chairs chairs for 38.33 GEL ($12.44) a chair.


I need a business visa and she needs a worker's visa otherwise we might have to refugee to Armenia. A place she's been to and doesn't want to go again.


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I got a feeling my photos are too big for the page. Can they be corrected?

The photos are awesome and the food looks delicious. Thx for sharing and good luck.
Title: Re: Should be up and running by the end of the month
Post by: Maxx2 on August 20, 2020, 11:23:38 AM
The photos are awesome and the food looks delicious. Thx for sharing and good luck.


Thank you and you are welcome Confederate. The third photo is Larissa's vegetarian taco. Tasted great!
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on August 20, 2020, 11:32:51 AM
Today Larissa lined me up for some custom made tables made from chestnut wood, at a low price. Also found some wooden chairs that should match. Tables and chairs are one of the bigger ticket items I need to get this place off.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: BillyB on August 20, 2020, 11:21:01 PM

Maxx what are you charging for those meals in American dollars?
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on August 21, 2020, 01:46:19 AM
Maxx what are you charging for those meals in American dollars?


The prices for most dishes is in the range of 3 to 7 dollars. We calculated the food costs and it is low. The tortilla for example is about 20 cents if made from the more expensive masa corn flour. Wheat flour less than 5 cents. Meat is the biggest expense. Guacamole is something we decided to pass on. The source of good avocados is very limited and is seasonal to just several months. And the cost is very high. Usually about $1.50 to $2 a avocado. And the avocados are quite small. Too bad as I like guacamole as does most everyone else. 
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: BC on August 21, 2020, 02:14:34 AM
Curious as to your marketing approach Maxx, printed leaflets, local newspapers, website?
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: BC on August 21, 2020, 02:18:02 AM
Also, remember that profits come from repeat business and referrals.

I don't really like those punchcards like 'buy 10 get one free' stuff, but a coupon with a freebie next visit when folks pay their bill is a nice gesture.  Even if they don't use it they might pass the coupon to someone else.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: msmob on August 21, 2020, 04:26:17 AM
If I might offer a suggestion ... Find someone who speaks Turkish and offer the coach drivers a commision for every voucher the customers who they send and spend over ( say) 12 Lari / head

Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Faux Pas on August 21, 2020, 04:27:18 AM

The prices for most dishes is in the range of 3 to 7 dollars. We calculated the food costs and it is low. The tortilla for example is about 20 cents if made from the more expensive masa corn flour. Wheat flour less than 5 cents. Meat is the biggest expense. Guacamole is something we decided to pass on. The source of good avocados is very limited and is seasonal to just several months. And the cost is very high. Usually about $1.50 to $2 a avocado. And the avocados are quite small. Too bad as I like guacamole as does most everyone else.

For me personally, it's hard to imagine Mexican food without guacamole
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: BC on August 21, 2020, 05:18:23 AM
Find a source for freeze-dried avocado slices.  Easy to store, light to ship, reconstitute as needed without waste and spoilage.

http://guacamolepowder.com/index.html
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on August 21, 2020, 06:40:02 AM
Curious as to your marketing approach Maxx, printed leaflets, local newspapers, website?


We haven't gotten that far yet. We are still photographing various food dishes for an inside menu, outside sidewalk sign and for the GLOVO food delivery website.


I was asked by Adjara Public TV to do a taped interview on why I choose Georgia as a place to live. When we are finally ready to open our doors I may pay them a visit.


It seems expats living here might be one of the better sources of income. Just met 2 of them an hour ago who were excited to hear a Mexican food place was opening soon.


Yesterday Larissa and I were talking with a Turkish restaurant owner. Larissa came away with the idea that we should use Halal (Muslim butcher) meat, both beef and chicken. The Turk said in his estimation about half of Muslims would eat at a restaurant that served Halal meat and pork. They just wouldn't eat pork. A lot of the Georgian mountain villagers in Adjara are Muslim. They eat pork without an issue. 
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on August 21, 2020, 06:44:59 AM
Find a source for freeze-dried avocado slices.  Easy to store, light to ship, reconstitute as needed without waste and spoilage.

http://guacamolepowder.com/index.html (http://guacamolepowder.com/index.html)


Thank you BC. I sent Larissa the link. I will look it over and maybe order it. I'll let you know what I find out.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on August 21, 2020, 06:47:12 AM
For me personally, it's hard to imagine Mexican food without guacamole


I'm hearing you. I love the stuff!
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: goldenstone on August 21, 2020, 08:27:39 AM

I'm hearing you. I love the stuff!
Your food looks nice. I would checkin for sure weekly in Batumi given the pricing and the pictures posted.
Maybe you could grow/let grow by someone some avocado close to Batumi (either outdoors or with a growhouse approach) and over time source your own organic made avocado next door? After all the soil is quite good in Georgia and water is plentiful. Just as an idea as I was looking into farming stuff last year.
I guess a missing guacamole will not be deal breaker there as were not talking about NYC or London with cut-throat competition.

From wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avocado
The subtropical species needs a climate without frost and with little wind. High winds reduce the humidity, dehydrate the flowers, and affect pollination. When even a mild frost occurs, premature fruit drop may occur, although the 'Hass' cultivar can tolerate temperatures down to −1 °C. Several cold-hardy varieties are planted in the region of Gainesville, Florida, which survive temperatures as low as −6.5 °C (20 °F) with only minor leaf damage. The trees also need well-aerated soils, ideally more than 1 m deep.

I would however look into halal procedures due to Turks/middle eastern folks coming for vacation.

Georgia v Armenia ..

No contest ..

One is trying to look to the west, t'other is still VERY reliant on mother Russia for physical protection and much more corrupt

Agreed, regarding the lifestyle and the overall feeling I would opt for Georgia every day.

But the much much lower requirements for visa make up for that.
Georgia 100k US$ real estate investment or 50k Lari yearly biz income to employ one foreigner is very steep given the sandwich position it is in. Last year they increased the requirements and I ended up missing the deadline for the much lower limits.
I personally don't have an issue with protection from mother russia if this is clearly set out than an internal divide and also corruption can be dealt with. You need to find the one trustworthy person and take it from there as this will make or break your venture in corrupt places and it depends on a lot of factors how well that goes to expand further. 
Also I don't see a look towards west and eu as much of a benefit any more, and sadly so I might add.

I still hope Georgia lowers again the requirements or some back and forth from Armenia will be possible in the post-apocalyptic future.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: msmob on August 21, 2020, 08:50:22 AM
I don't know about Maxx, but making a GE firm is a doddle and residency, thereafter

I wonder if you have checked the benefits of GE being close to the EU given tariff rates ( if at all )    One can import from China at zero tariffs on many goods

It's an excellent halfway house and more professional than AM

You'll defo need to speak RU in AM, more sub 40's folk speak EN in GE
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on August 21, 2020, 11:38:35 AM
Y
Georgia 100k US$ real estate investment or 50k Lari yearly biz income to employ one foreigner is very steep given the sandwich position it is in. Last year they increased the requirements and I ended up missing the deadline for the much lower limits.

I still hope Georgia lowers again the requirements or some back and forth from Armenia will be possible in the post-apocalyptic future.


50K in Lari as about 16K in USD. Here in Georgia they count gross revenue to be taxed. As an official "individual entrepreneur" I will pay 1% tax on every Lari that get runs through my little machine. It has been suggested to me to run my own money through this machine, accept the 1% tax and get the benefit. My employee Larissa is aware of the minimum income requirement and is motivated to get me qualified to have her get a work visa. I have my retirement income that might get me into the ballpark.  What galls me is raising an income requirement when the government has devastate the economy with its restrictions. They need every tax revenue they can get! 
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: BillyB on August 21, 2020, 04:56:42 PM
I don't really like those punchcards like 'buy 10 get one free' stuff, but a coupon with a freebie next visit when folks pay their bill is a nice gesture. 


Punch cards are nice but with a pre-seniors discount, veterans discount, friends and family discount, and coupons stacked on top of each other, Maxx will owe me money when I eat there.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Confederate on August 21, 2020, 09:02:20 PM
For me personally, it's hard to imagine Mexican food without guacamole

Although I really like guacamole it's not a dealbreaker.

Locally I often get a burrito at Burrito Amigos without guac but with sour cream.

When in California I like restaurants like this which has some great photos, consistent high ratings and still reasonable prices.

http://www.tripadvisor.com/Restaurant_Review-g33045-d8484672-Reviews-East_Beach_Tacos-Santa_Barbara_California.html
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on August 21, 2020, 11:21:26 PM
Although I really like guacamole it's not a dealbreaker.

Locally I often get a burrito at Burrito Amigos without guac but with sour cream.

When in California I like restaurants like this which has some great photos, consistent high ratings and still reasonable prices.

http://www.tripadvisor.com/Restaurant_Review-g33045-d8484672-Reviews-East_Beach_Tacos-Santa_Barbara_California.html (http://www.tripadvisor.com/Restaurant_Review-g33045-d8484672-Reviews-East_Beach_Tacos-Santa_Barbara_California.html)


Last night I stopped by "The Cork" the Irish bar. Between this business and mine is an Indian restaurant. The owner Lovedeep Singn served me chicken chili. Nothing like the chili we have back home. Tasted pretty good. The manager of The Cork, Zahara from the UAE wants us to serve our dishes as well.


Larissa has the day off today. She is with friends in Kobaleti, the first city north of Batumi. She will be back tomorrow Sunday to start work again. 
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: msmob on August 22, 2020, 02:13:34 AM
Ireland is well known for it's links to Mexico ....  ;)

Good to see friendly cooperation between biz'
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on August 22, 2020, 05:49:47 AM



Last Sunday Larissa called me. She want to have me take her for a drive in the mountains. Every week she usually goes for a long walk in the mountains East of Batumi. She told me it is inevitable she will be invited over by a Georgian family for a meal. Georgians are well known for their hospitality. Guests are considered as gifts from God. As I am writing this paragraph my former landlord stopped by and invited me over to his house for dinner.


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We drove to this village along the Chorokhi river up in the mountains. Larissa had been there before as had I. She had gotten there by marsuka. With my car we could explore around to some areas marsukas don't visit. There was this sign that said a waterfall was 15.5 kilometers down a two lane narrow road. So we made that out destination.



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On the way back a Georgian man approached us and asked up to join his family for dinner. They were sitting in these little huts that are built for that. At first I declined but he insisted.


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The food was great! I declined the offered wine and cha cha as I was driving. Nice friendly people!
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on August 22, 2020, 05:52:54 AM
Ireland is well known for it's links to Mexico ....  ;)

Good to see friendly cooperation between biz'


Zahara the manager of The Cork is hoping my business will bring in more expat visitors and that will benefit them as well.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: goldenstone on August 22, 2020, 06:41:25 AM

50K in Lari as about 16K in USD. Here in Georgia they count gross revenue to be taxed. As an official "individual entrepreneur" I will pay 1% tax on every Lari that get runs through my little machine. It has been suggested to me to run my own money through this machine, accept the 1% tax and get the benefit. My employee Larissa is aware of the minimum income requirement and is motivated to get me qualified to have her get a work visa. I have my retirement income that might get me into the ballpark.  What galls me is raising an income requirement when the government has devastate the economy with its restrictions. They need every tax revenue they can get!

Right. You have a pension. You can run your pension thru it and pay tax on the amount which you have to pay yourself as salary and hence spare yourself an Armenian solution ;)
I don't remember, Is Larissa Georgian? If not, you need twice this amount. But anyhow best thing is to look with a good lawyer who knows these things and how difficulties can be dealt with.

http://psh.gov.ge/main/page/6/507

I don't know about Maxx, but making a GE firm is a doddle and residency, thereafter

I wonder if you have checked the benefits of GE being close to the EU given tariff rates ( if at all )    One can import from China at zero tariffs on many goods

It's an excellent halfway house and more professional than AM

You'll defo need to speak RU in AM, more sub 40's folk speak EN in GE

Yes, it used to be until mid 2019 but not any more. I also heard they got stricter with the banks.
However they might reverse action and ease again due to the big mess in 2020.

True. With English you can get around quite well in GE as long as it is on marked territory.
I would prefer however being able to run around somewhat off the beaten path in Georgia as well and then English will not cut it any more. And I would learn Russian over Georgian any day due to being able to use it in many other places, even though kartuli has an awesome script.  :)
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on August 22, 2020, 07:21:00 AM

I don't remember, Is Larissa Georgian? If not, you need twice this amount. But anyhow best thing is to look with a good lawyer who knows these things and how difficulties can be dealt with.



She is South African. Last November she was doing a visa run through Sarpi on the Georgian and Turkish border 15 miles south of here. The Georgian side stopped her and did a taped recording that next time she would not be let back in unless she could show proof of trying to get residency or some sort of legalization. Then a few weeks ago her South African ambassador posted on the SA Facebook page for SAs living in Georgia that they better get their residency situation straightened out and not wait until the last minute. The Georgia government due to the lockdown of the borders has given expats with expired visas until December 31st before they need to leave the country. Did they think what is going to happen with thousands of expats needing to leave on January 1st?? Fortunately for me I did my border run March 23rd the day before they shut the border. So I've got 360 days from then or March 18th 2021 to get my house or rather business in order. That is 7 months from now. I heard business visas are judged on 6 months performance. I am cutting it close.


BTW Goldstone, welcome to the forum.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: msmob on August 22, 2020, 07:24:28 AM


Yes, it used to be until mid 2019 but not any more. I also heard they got stricter with the banks.


I helped two Russians open bank account with the Bank of Georgia in late 2019, without issue...

IF you are indulging in commerce and dealing with govt, English is increasingly prevalent..   Russian is the preserve of those schooled in Former Soviet times



Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: BillyB on August 22, 2020, 09:46:01 AM
The manager of The Cork, Zahara from the UAE wants us to serve our dishes as well.


How's that going to work Maxx? He'll put your dishes on his menu, you cook it and run it over to his restaurant? That wouldn't look good in front of the diners. The other option is to teach his cooks out to make your dishes. You're in the business of making money. Don't make more competition for yourself. Don't give away your trade secrets no matter how nice they are to you.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: goldenstone on August 22, 2020, 11:25:23 AM

She is South African. Last November she was doing a visa run through Sarpi on the Georgian and Turkish border 15 miles south of here. The Georgian side stopped her and did a taped recording that next time she would not be let back in unless she could show proof of trying to get residency or some sort of legalization. Then a few weeks ago her South African ambassador posted on the SA Facebook page for SAs living in Georgia that they better get their residency situation straightened out and not wait until the last minute. The Georgia government due to the lockdown of the borders has given expats with expired visas until December 31st before they need to leave the country. Did they think what is going to happen with thousands of expats needing to leave on January 1st?? Fortunately for me I did my border run March 23rd the day before they shut the border. So I've got 360 days from then or March 18th 2021 to get my house or rather business in order. That is 7 months from now. I heard business visas are judged on 6 months performance. I am cutting it close.


BTW Goldstone, welcome to the forum.

Thanks  :) :clapping: It is a nice forum so far without much hassle. I found it when I was searching for Batumi the other day.

Harsh treatment but at least there was a warning and not a straight up ban.
I think you being from US should pose not much of a problem as well as for all EU members. I even could envision they keep the 365 days open as being stated by other members GE keeps itself open for the west. EU members can also enter with id cards only. However, SA is a tough nut as it falls into the African category which gets the strict treatment.

I helped two Russians open bank account with the Bank of Georgia in late 2019, without issue...

IF you are indulging in commerce and dealing with govt, English is increasingly prevalent..   Russian is the preserve of those schooled in Former Soviet times


The bank thing is only this year being made more difficult maybe because GE agreed to joins crs in 2023.

How's that going to work Maxx? He'll put your dishes on his menu, you cook it and run it over to his restaurant? That wouldn't look good in front of the diners. The other option is to teach his cooks out to make your dishes. You're in the business of making money. Don't make more competition for yourself. Don't give away your trade secrets no matter how nice they are to you.

Thats not that uncommon in emerging markets. A delivery dude comes in the kitchen and after some minutes the food is served to the customer without even noticing that the food came from another kitchen.
I would not teach trade secrets to other cooks at all.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: msmob on August 23, 2020, 09:53:20 AM

The bank thing is only this year being made more difficult maybe because GE agreed to joins crs in 2023. 

We see no evidence of same .. ( ( pre covid ) While I was helping my Russians, we saw folks from BY and RU opening bank accounts

Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: goldenstone on August 23, 2020, 11:25:23 AM
We see no evidence of same .. ( ( pre covid ) While I was helping my Russians, we saw folks from BY and RU opening bank accounts



Ok. That is even better. I am luckily already set in that regard.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on August 24, 2020, 12:57:12 AM
How's that going to work Maxx? He'll put your dishes on his menu, you cook it and run it over to his restaurant? That wouldn't look good in front of the diners. The other option is to teach his cooks out to make your dishes. You're in the business of making money. Don't make more competition for yourself. Don't give away your trade secrets no matter how nice they are to you.


I'll tell you how it is working for the Indian restaurant who between my place and the Irish bar.


The Indian restaurant has a printed on both sides menu. At the Irish bar they leave it with you. The order is taken by one of the Indian restaurant employees or by the owner of the Indian restaurant. The food is prepared, put on a tray along with a plate, flatware and some napkins and delivered to your table. Later after finishing they bring a little wooden box with the check in it. Simple as that.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on August 24, 2020, 01:19:23 AM
Thanks  :) :clapping: It is a nice forum so far without much hassle. I found it when I was searching for Batumi the other day.

SA is a tough nut as it falls into the African category which gets the strict treatment.

The bank thing is only this year being made more difficult maybe because GE agreed to joins crs in 2023.



She tried to apply for refugee status but she needed a specific case or something specific that happened to her in order to get it. The Georgian government does not want to offend the SA government. There are a lot of White SAs living here. I've have entertained and dined a number of them.


The banks are getting more strict. A few years ago, 2017 I got a Bank of Georgia bank account. Easy no problem. July 3rd this year I wanted to transfer money in USD to my landlord at his bank TBC. I was told I had to register to do so. It took 3 hours of computer checking. My passport shown of course. The final bit of scary was made to sign a U.S.A. IRS W9 form that was to be sent to the US government. I said at the point I didn't want to register. I was told it was too late as I was already entered into their system. Everything is getting more and more restrictive. I sometime wonder if the politicians will completely strangle the economy with new requirements. Covid19 really gave them an excuse to do what ever they want.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: goldenstone on August 24, 2020, 06:08:34 AM

She tried to apply for refugee status but she needed a specific case or something specific that happened to her in order to get it. The Georgian government does not want to offend the SA government. There are a lot of White SAs living here. I've have entertained and dined a number of them.


The banks are getting more strict. A few years ago, 2017 I got a Bank of Georgia bank account. Easy no problem. July 3rd this year I wanted to transfer money in USD to my landlord at his bank TBC. I was told I had to register to do so. It took 3 hours of computer checking. My passport shown of course. The final bit of scary was made to sign a U.S.A. IRS W9 form that was to be sent to the US government. I said at the point I didn't want to register. I was told it was too late as I was already entered into their system. Everything is getting more and more restrictive. I sometime wonder if the politicians will completely strangle the economy with new requirements. Covid19 really gave them an excuse to do what ever they want.

Sending usd is very problematic (especially internationally) not only in GE but basically every bank fears of getting cut off from it and it requires a strict set of requirements than sending other currencies. I would always convert to lari first, send this and the receiver convert back if he wanna do so, or send gbp/eur which also can be done with BoG.

Yeah, I also noticed the presence of SA people. I was quite surprised and also met some in Tbilisi by chance.
I heard rumors that Russia is more open to white SA people (farmers?) and also give them refugee status. But SA is not a country I know much about.

However it is surprising to me as I did not suspect GE and SA to be so aligned but maybe GE gov is ballsdeep into pleasing about anyone and their dog or they got a lot of imf bailout money and now can do the economy what they want?
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on August 24, 2020, 09:51:48 AM
maybe GE gov is ballsdeep into pleasing about anyone and their dog or they got a lot of imf bailout money and now can do the economy what they want?


I mentioned this at an expats' diner and it really got a response. We worry the Georgian government is too eager to please the EU. On the Georgian website GeorgiaToday.ge they talk about all the IMF, World Bank et cetera money they are getting to ride out the China virus covid19 crisis. Strings attached of course. As Bible says, "The debtor is the lender's slave." 







Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: msmob on August 24, 2020, 11:08:42 AM
Georgia wants to be a westernised democracy and free of Moscow's shadow.

It manages to be perfectly friendly with all it's other neighbours and has not a few ethnicities quietly going about their biz'..

After an 'interesting  day' dealing with French institutions run by inflexible Russians ( none of whom want to own mistakes or apologise)  I will take GE anyway.. That is why we married there..

Totally, recommend that.

Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: BillyB on August 24, 2020, 03:48:59 PM

I mentioned this at an expats' diner and it really got a response. We worry the Georgian government is too eager to please the EU. On the Georgian website GeorgiaToday.ge they talk about all the IMF, World Bank et cetera money they are getting to ride out the China virus covid19 crisis. Strings attached of course. As Bible says, "The debtor is the lender's slave."

About 3-4 months ago, no less than 90 nations applied for COVID related loans at the IMF. America increased their contribution to the IMF to make loans. You might see more greenbacks floating around in Georgia.
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: goldenstone on August 25, 2020, 09:21:16 AM

I mentioned this at an expats' diner and it really got a response. We worry the Georgian government is too eager to please the EU. On the Georgian website GeorgiaToday.ge they talk about all the IMF, World Bank et cetera money they are getting to ride out the China virus covid19 crisis. Strings attached of course. As Bible says, "The debtor is the lender's slave."

Good points.
It is also something I pondered a lot about. Although most people in eu don't know much about GE so it is hard to throw this topic in your normal conversations.
If they are really hellbent on pleasing the eu, they will need to implement quite a few things and in the end the eu still will not let them join. I can't see this strategy yielding much actually unless Turkey and Armenia and maybe Azerbaijan will also join and GE not being the only eu member in the caucasus.

But maybe to circle back to a nicer topic, any news on the restaurant front?
Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on August 25, 2020, 11:25:45 PM
Good points.


 any news on the restaurant front?


Plodding forward step by step


First a few food photos because that is what it is all about.


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Getting tables and chairs was/is one of my larger expenses. But we are finding some pretty good deals on new furniture.


I got 3 narrow tables custom made for sitting outside. They can't be too wide as that would restrict pedestrians so says the city.


I paid 150 Lari ($48.23) each which Larissa says I paid too much.


We got these 6 sturdy made-well wooden chairs for 230 Lari ($73.95) or $12.32 each. The tables are 50 centimeters wide and the chairs fit under them perfectly. 


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Larisa said we needed a cabinet to store our dishes and flatware. So we got this. Cost, 150 Lari ($48.23)


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We got 6 more chairs. Cost 210 Lari ($67.52) for 6 or $11.25 each.


We found people LOVE taking selfies with our hats.


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Two South African refugees.


So yesterday we got a large 100 centimetre by 180 mirror installed on our wall. Cost, 135 Lari ($43.40) delivered and installed.


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We got a Clint Eastwood hat from 'the Good the Bad and the Ugly', a ridiculously large cowboy hat and 2 sombreros. Got another cowboy hat on the way and two more sombreros.


Can't find aprons anywhere. Larissa is having two custom made at 10 Lari ($3.21) each.











Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
Post by: Maxx2 on August 26, 2020, 10:13:49 AM
http://georgiatoday.ge/news/22189/Foreigners-Seeking-to-Work-from-Georgia-must-be-Waged-at-Least-%24-2%2C000-Per-Month


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Foreigners Seeking to Work from Georgia Must Earn at Least $ 2,000 Per Month
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After the Georgian government’s authorization, foreigners aspiring to work from Georgia will be officially qualified to fill out an electronic form.
The mandate was signed by the Economy Minister Natia Turnava and Foreign Minister Davit Zalkaliani, giving foreigners an opportunity to work distantly from Georgia.  Permission will be granted to foreign citizens from the Ministries of Economy and Foreign Affairs.
While filling out the forms, the foreigner should upload the following documents in English:
    • A copy of passport;Personal information (name, surname, personal number, address);Contact details of the foreign employer;Information about the job position and income that should be at least $2,000 per month;Consent to enter mandatory 12-day quarantine as well as consent to undergo PCR testing at their own expense;Mandatory health insurance, valid for at least six months.
    [/list]The application is to be reviewed within 10 working days.

    The monthly gross income of Georgia is $403. An expat or a prospective expat wanting to work in Georgia... and pay taxes must earn 5 times as much.



    Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
    Post by: msmob on August 26, 2020, 10:25:22 AM
    Saw your comment, in the journal, Maxx

    Added sometime along the lines of, " Are you [ govt. proposal ] mad ?" ;)
    Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
    Post by: BillyB on August 26, 2020, 12:48:23 PM

    That's the thing about living in foreign countries. Rules can change often and life gets more difficult. I like the stability of the USA. Maxx, as long as you pay taxes on $2000 a month, they really don't care if you're making $2000 a month.
    Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
    Post by: Trenchcoat on August 26, 2020, 05:33:25 PM
    http://georgiatoday.ge/news/22189/Foreigners-Seeking-to-Work-from-Georgia-must-be-Waged-at-Least-%24-2%2C000-Per-Month



    The monthly gross income of Georgia is $403. An expat or a prospective expat wanting to work in Georgia... and pay taxes must earn 5 times as much.





    I would say they are trying it on and unrealistic. They could well scare away foreign investors/businesspeople. To date the GD have a dubious reputation, I hear they are corrupt in the usual post FSU fashion of allowing investment then trying to claim anything that ends up with any worth being associated with it, so much like Ukraine in that way. However with the Election coming up in late October under a new PR system you might be lucky and avoid that stuff.
    Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
    Post by: Maxx2 on August 26, 2020, 06:37:33 PM
    Saw your comment, in the journal, Maxx

    Added sometime along the lines of, " Are you [ govt. proposal ] mad ?" ;)


    Looks like you're going to have to pay at least $2K a month for every non Georgian employee or partner you have living in Georgia. That 360 day visa thing is going to be used as the enforcement. Hopefully as Trenchcoat said the elections might make the difference. I don't follow Georgian politics much so I can't understand what the chances are there. I expect chaos at the borders from expats trying to get back in. When word spreads early next year I don't know what is going to happen. They did this once before about September 2014 to about May 2015 requiring the 90 day in 90 day out rule. They had to change it back on account of all the trouble it caused foreign businessmen. But we are living in different times after covid lockdowns and travel restrictions. 
    Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
    Post by: goldenstone on August 27, 2020, 04:14:07 AM
    http://georgiatoday.ge/news/22189/Foreigners-Seeking-to-Work-from-Georgia-must-be-Waged-at-Least-%24-2%2C000-Per-Month



    The monthly gross income of Georgia is $403. An expat or a prospective expat wanting to work in Georgia... and pay taxes must earn 5 times as much.


    This seems way too much. Countries in central america oftentimes just ask for 1000usd income. With 2000 usd remote income I can live in a lot / most places actually.
    Also the 100k usd real estate investment is way too high. GE would fare better in doing the Montenegro approach, which now seems an equally attractive place.

    That's the thing about living in foreign countries. Rules can change often and life gets more difficult. I like the stability of the USA. Maxx, as long as you pay taxes on $2000 a month, they really don't care if you're making $2000 a month.

    I would hope so. If you can get permanent residency somehow, it is worth to do it as it further shields you from the random changes which are often not going in a good direction, with some exceptions of couse.
    Title: A new partner and the latest covid curves
    Post by: Maxx2 on September 04, 2020, 06:37:59 AM



    I got a new business partner, Larissa. Partnership is certainly with risks I know. Frankly I doubt I could do this without her help. And she has saved me considerable amount of money with her connections and good deals on furniture et cetera. Frankly up till now I've been a great resource to those that have been "helping" me. Like an hour ago one of my friends offering to sell me a kilo of honey for 30 Lari when a kilo of honey goes for 25 Lari. Or getting the lights for the steps that would have cost me 120 Lari but now 20 Lari.


    At this exact moment I am getting the rental agreement printed with the revision of adding her name on it.


    Then getting it registered with the city at the next available opening at the government center with is a week from today. Then a visit to the tax office. We need to get a separate bank account but unfortunately the banks are closed in Batumi on account some of the people working at the bank have tested positive for covid.
    Title: Re: A new partner and the latest covid curves
    Post by: BillyB on September 04, 2020, 09:52:36 AM

    I got a new business partner, Larissa.

    At this exact moment I am getting the rental agreement printed with the revision of adding her name on it.



    What is the contingency plan if somebody wants to quit the business? Get something in writing so that your partner can't dissolve the business when quitting. She or you shouldn't be able to demand your share of the assets and must allow the other partner to pay off the partner who wants to leave over a few years for their share. Also, you supplied the money and Larissa supplies labor and connections so you will need to define what her value is to the business. If you both can't agree what is fair, somebody is going to be disgruntled.
    Title: Re: A new partner and the latest covid curves
    Post by: Maxx2 on September 04, 2020, 11:41:20 PM
    What is the contingency plan if somebody wants to quit the business? Get something in writing so that your partner can't dissolve the business when quitting. She or you shouldn't be able to demand your share of the assets and must allow the other partner to pay off the partner who wants to leave over a few years for their share. Also, you supplied the money and Larissa supplies labor and connections so you will need to define what her value is to the business. If you both can't agree what is fair, somebody is going to be disgruntled.


    My feet are getting really cold about taking on a partner. Details later.
    Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
    Post by: Maxx2 on September 05, 2020, 10:21:29 PM



    This Wednesday Larissa, her friend Coree and I are going to Tbilisi by train 2nd class. Round trip for three people about $50. We are going to check out the competition. No Mexican restaurants in Batumi, but a few in Tbilisi. Before then we are going to check in with the Department of Revenue. Try to get a tax ID number. It is required by Glovo delivery "service".


    Larissa is frankly anti-American and despises me. She said to me "You are a typical American." It was not meant as a compliment. Friday, it is likely, I will give her final pay and ask her to turn in her key. "A house divided cannot stand."





    Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
    Post by: Confederate on September 05, 2020, 10:27:25 PM


    This Wednesday Larissa, her friend Coree and I are going to Tbilisi by train 2nd class. Round trip for three people about $50. We are going to check out the competition. No Mexican restaurants in Batumi, but a few in Tbilisi. Before then we are going to check in with the Department of Revenue. Try to get a tax ID number. It is required by Glovo delivery "service".


    Larissa is frankly anti-American and despises me. She said to me "You are a typical American." It was not meant as a compliment. Friday, it is likely, I will give her final pay and ask her to turn in her key. "A house divided cannot stand."

    A wise decision based on latest information. Perhaps have someone you really trust witness this?
    Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
    Post by: msmob on September 05, 2020, 11:40:08 PM
    Oh Maxx,

    One minute you build folks up as irreplaceable, the next they are 'out'....

    There may be a pattern here?

    What the 'eck triggered this about turn?

    I have a partner in Cyprus who is a true friend. Politically, ( expecially, on things Russia and on America) we are polls apart...but I would trust him with my life.

    Biz partners do not have to be socially and politically compatible, surely?

    Your told us Larissa saved you a lot and you could not have managed without her.


    Now, it SEEMS like you have used her?








    Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
    Post by: Maxx2 on September 06, 2020, 01:32:57 AM



    Do I want to legally bind myself to a woman that makes me wonder every morning what kind of mood will she be in? I know it is not wise to post here details about that. Today is her day off. I am relieved.


     
    Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
    Post by: msmob on September 06, 2020, 01:51:10 AM
    Ah Maxx,


    I have not had  female biz partner.,))

    Space is good.

    Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
    Post by: BC on September 06, 2020, 02:41:01 AM
    Do I want to legally bind myself to a woman that makes me wonder every morning what kind of mood will she be in? I know it is not wise to post here details about that. Today is her day off. I am relieved.

    You may already be legally bound by whatever agreements (verbal count) you have now and be in a binding de facto partnership.  Is she an employee you are paying as an employer and can fire her? Or is it some informal type of agreement to work together and see how the project goes?

    Think things through and get legal advice when in doubt.  Such can get messy very quickly.

    I would simply ask about her moods, let her know it affects you and the business negatively and if there is anything you can do to help.

    Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
    Post by: msmob on September 06, 2020, 03:00:54 AM
    BC, once more, posts wise words in a more helpful 'tone' ...

    Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
    Post by: Maxx2 on September 06, 2020, 05:38:13 AM
    Or is it some informal type of agreement to work together and see how the project goes?

    Think things through and get legal advice when in doubt.  Such can get messy very quickly.

    I would simply ask about her moods, let her know it affects you and the business negatively and if there is anything you can do to help.


    It was informal. No terms were discussed such as percentages or money. It was an idea she brought up a week ago. There were no witnesses. She said she wanted security in case something happened to me.   


    A week ago my lawyer Khatuna came to the business to see if she could help me with a rental agreement. Larissa told her she wouldn't be needed and chased her off. Khatuna was quite offended. Yesterday Larissa got into it with my friend Alex and the day before that with my workman. She angers people very much.


    I've talked with her before about her moods. It is useless. She turns on me cutting me down, belittling and insulting me. She wants total control over everything including the menu, what business hours we should have and me.


    I texted Khatuna about meeting her tomorrow if possible. Back in March there was another Khatuna that worked in the store next to mine. She had a signed work contract. When it was time to get paid her Russian woman boss told her drop dead and didn't pay her. That is how things are here.







    Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
    Post by: Hammer2722 on September 06, 2020, 08:25:26 AM
    Maxx, do you really need an emotionally un-stable woman making decisions in your business? You'll soon start to find that most of your real friends will start to distance themselves from you more and more. I believe she is using you to get what she wants for herself. This relationship will end very badly for you I think......
    Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
    Post by: BC on September 06, 2020, 08:59:32 AM

     She said she wanted security in case something happened to me.   


    Not unreasonable for a business partner.

    All in all it sounds like she has put a lot of time and effort into the business, and if not a paid employee feels she is risking getting short changed.

    I assume she is getting fair compensation for her work?
    Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
    Post by: BillyB on September 06, 2020, 09:37:44 AM



    Maxx, I wouldn't make anybody a business partner unless they bring a lot of money into my business or I've known them for many years to the point they have proven themselves to be trustworthy,  hard working, and mentally stable.
    Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
    Post by: Boethius on September 06, 2020, 12:35:08 PM
    You've now had two women you deemed unstable involved in your business. 


    Find another partner, one you can trust if you are ill, or away, or whatever.  If Larissa assumed she is going to be a partner, you are going to have to get rid of her.   If I were living in Georgia, I would find a local as a partner, probably someone with some experience in what I'm doing, or someone with business experience.


    This post was composed without the aid of google.
    Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
    Post by: ML on September 06, 2020, 01:44:16 PM
    You shouldn't even be thinking about bringing in a partner, unless that person puts in big money.
    Otherwise, it seems most you have encountered there are looking for a way to probably eventually take over your business and assets without any payment, and then push you out.

    I heard from wise men when I was a young buck a few years out of college.
    The warning:  Having a partner (particularly in a small business) has the same ups and downs as being married.   The moral of the story was that it is just as hard to find a good and compatible business partner as a spouse . . . and the bad breakups probably run 50% or more.

    You are already realizing that people there view you as a walking money machine.

    Maxx . . . stick with just paying employees.
    Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
    Post by: fathertime on September 06, 2020, 02:03:57 PM


    Maxx, I wouldn't make anybody a business partner unless they bring a lot of money into my business or I've known them for many years to the point they have proven themselves to be trustworthy,  hard working, and mentally stable.
    I agree 4-square with what billyb has said here.   You can use help, but not a partner. 

    Fathertime!
    Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
    Post by: tfcrew on September 06, 2020, 02:38:33 PM
    Maxx . . . stick with just paying employees.
    You've now had two women you deemed unstable involved in your business. Find another partner, one you can trust if you are ill, or away, or whatever.  If Larissa assumed she is going to be a partner, you are going to have to get rid of her. 
    +1 Yeah...You don't just 'fire' a partner--It is more like going through a messy divorce and the business would suffer. 
    Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
    Post by: Confederate on September 06, 2020, 09:04:00 PM
    I agree 4-square with what billyb has said here.   You can use help, but not a partner. 

    Fathertime!

    I second that endorsement.

    I have a suspicion her intentions are to steal your business.
    Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
    Post by: msmob on September 06, 2020, 09:43:27 PM
    Maxx, Maxx, Maxx..

    You are getting lots of advice, but what scares me is did you sign a rental agreement with L's name on it?.....

    Did you sign anything else, together?


    Can she claim she has contributed and try to claim compo?

    On this very thread YOU have TOLD US that L is now a partner....(Sept 4th)

    Suggest, you call that lawyer...today...the one who L 'sent away'....

    Then...get those keys back, get them changed and may be a security camera on entrances that records off site...in case she seeks revenge.









    Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
    Post by: Maxx2 on September 07, 2020, 09:34:10 AM
    Maxx, Maxx, Maxx..

    You are getting lots of advice, but what scares me is did you sign a rental agreement with L's name on it?.....

    Did you sign anything else, together?



    The quote in bold, NO.


    I seen my lawyer Khatuna today. The one Larissa pissed off. She read the rental agreement and laughed. Not only was it poorly translated by Google translate but in the rush it had three different start dates, March 5, August 15 and September 3rd. This document could not be introduced into court. 



    Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
    Post by: msmob on September 07, 2020, 09:40:33 AM

    The quote in bold, NO.


    I seen my lawyer Khatuna today. The one Larissa pissed off. She read the rental agreement and laughed. Not only was it poorly translated by Google translate but in the rush it had three different start dates, March 5, August 15 and September 3rd. This document could not be introduced into court.

    Ok, good.

    Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
    Post by: Maxx2 on September 08, 2020, 01:09:50 AM



    A year ago I was approached by my gym's owner about a matter. Some of the weightlifters wanted a Texas Dead Lift Bar and wanted to see if I would buy it for them with a short term loan of a few months. Dato on the right was particularly obsessed with getting it. He was literally dreaming about it. A Texas Dead Lift Bar is a barbell that is made to bend as the weights are lifted off the floor. They cost about $400 with shipping by ship (2 months) another $100. I agreed to the loan. Shortly afterward I was told the weightlifters couldn't agree about equally paying for it so the loan was called off. I thought about for a few days. I told the gym owner, part owner actually, I would buy it anyway. They can pay me back whenever.


    Sunday was a weightlifting event held at the gym. The star of the event was the Texas Dead Lift Bar. It is the only one in Georgia. Ramazi on the left, came and shook my hand and called me friend. He had set a new weightlifting record with the barbell. Ramazi seen I was distressed. It was written all over my face. He told me if there is anything he could do just ask. When I first met him he told me he received training in Minneapolis Minnesota for border security. Minneapolis is where I am from.   
    Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
    Post by: Maxx2 on September 08, 2020, 05:34:25 AM



    About the Larissa situation.


    I got her to drop all intentions of being my business partner. And I got her to drop all unpleasantness. The past two days have been quite civil. She understands we got to make this business work for both of us.   
    Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
    Post by: Maxx2 on September 08, 2020, 05:43:12 AM
    Batumi Justice House Temporarily Closed As Employee Tests Positive for COVID-19
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    The House of Justice in Batumi is currently closed and the building is being disinfected as one of its employees has tested positive for coronavirus, Rusudan Shavishvili, the head of the Adjara Disease Control Center, announced.
    The Adjara Disease Control Center reports that the contacts of the infected employee have been investigated and they underwent PCR testing.
    For the record, Adjara is now a red zone (http://georgiatoday.ge/news/22305/Health-Official-on-Coronavirus%3A-Adjara-Now-a-Red-Zone-) and 23 of 45 confirmed cases detected in Georgia in the last 24 hours are related to this region.
    45 new cases of coronavirus were confirmed  (http://georgiatoday.ge/news/22303/Coronavirus%3A-Georgia-Reports-45-New-Cases%2C-a-Record-High-Daily-Number)in Georgia during the last 24 hours, bringing the total number to 1729.
    This a record high daily number for the country.
    Currently, there are 363 active cases of coronavirus in Georgia.
    By Ana Dumbadze
    Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
    Post by: Maxx2 on September 08, 2020, 05:47:43 AM



    We expect another lockdown. Kobaleti the city just north of us is in lock down. That is all "non-essential" businesses are closed. Today we cashed in our tickets to Tbilisi. There is a possibility that once there we couldn't get back to here.
    Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
    Post by: Maxx2 on September 08, 2020, 06:10:30 AM



    Mikheil Saakashvili: I'm Coming Back!
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    Former President of Georgia Mikheil Saakashvili, who currently serves as the Head of the Executive Committee of the National Reforms Council of Ukraine, has published a video on his Facebook page, where he apologized to the Georgian people and said that he will be returning.
    "Of course, there were mistakes, there were very serious mistakes too, but as God is my witness, I wanted the best for my people," he stated in the video address.


    "Ukraine is my second home. At that time I came here from my main home, my sweet Georgia. I have always loved Ukraine since I was a student, in the most difficult period it was Ukraine that accepted me as I am, without any conditions and requirements, and I appreciate it very much.
    "Now, after all these years, I know how to better serve our country and how to avoid mistakes. I wanted my people to live better. Yet, from the perspective of these years, I want to publicly apologize to everyone for the mistakes I made. During these seven years, there has not been a single day that I have not been interested in Georgian news and I know for sure that my work as President has not been in vain. But, at the same time, when I hear Georgian news, I can guess that we can live much better, every Georgian can be rich. We'll do it together! I'm coming back!" he said.
    By Ana Dumbadze

    Elections: Former President Saakashvili Intends to be PM 'Only for 2 Years'

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    Former President of Georgia Mikheil Saakashvili, who currently serves as the Head of the Executive Committee of the National Reforms Council of Ukraine, once again discussed his plans to return to Georgia in a new video address.
    In his words, he intends to serve as the Prime Minister of the country, however, "Not for a full term, but for a maximum of 2 years."
    “The United National Movement and a number of other people have raised the issue of nominating me for the Prime Minister’s post. I've thought about it a lot and I'm ready to take on this function, but not because I miss the power. I really do not miss it and I want to tell you that I will be the Prime Minister not for a full term, but for a maximum of 2 years. These 2 years will be enough to pull the country out of the swamp and move forward very quickly. I am sure of it," he said.
    The third president of Georgia noted that October 31 is not an ordinary election, but "An election of existence and non-existence."

    He once again apologized to the public for mistakes.
    "I want to sincerely apologize to everyone for mistakes, but an apology is not enough, the main thing is not to apologize, but to correct those mistakes. I hope we will have the opportunity to correct them," Saakashvili said.
    He pledged that "He will arrive in Georgia without causing any confrontation or unrest."

    "I'm often asked when I will come to Georgia. I will arrive in Georgia without causing any controversy or unrest. It is very important that everything be peaceful. I handed over power peacefully and I am really not going to come to power as a result of unrest. But we all agree that Georgia needs to be saved. That is why I am not going to avoid responsibility. We, together with you, will definitely have our beloved homeland, Georgia, back on its feet!" he said.
    Yesterday, the opposition coalition 'Power in Unity' and the United National Movement nominated  (http://georgiatoday.ge/news/22288/2020-Elections%3A-UNM-Nominates-Mikheil-Saakashvili-for-the-Post-of-Prime-Minister)him as their candidate for Prime Minister in the 2020 parliamentary elections.

    The former president has announced his plan to return to Georgia several times in recent years. However, the current government claims that Saakashvili will be immediately detained upon crossing the border "For the crimes he has committed against the Georgian people."

    By Ana Dumbadze


    Many of the expats here are hoping he wins. The consensus is things have been going downhill since he left.
    Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
    Post by: Maxx2 on September 10, 2020, 07:40:59 PM


    About the Larissa situation.


    I got her to drop all intentions of being my business partner. And I got her to drop all unpleasantness. The past two days have been quite civil. She understands we got to make this business work for both of us.

    She'll be coming over today to pick up her final pay. It was eating on her that I wouldn't tolerate her moodiness and sharp
    tongue so she looked for another job. A nanny for a three year old Georgian boy.
    Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
    Post by: BillyB on September 10, 2020, 10:28:33 PM
    she looked for another job. A nanny for a three year old Georgian boy.


    She can brag to the boy she almost made it big in the restaurant industry but chose to raise him instead.
    Title: What if it is the woman that has age issues about herself?
    Post by: Maxx2 on September 11, 2020, 07:09:40 AM
    She can brag to the boy she almost made it big in the restaurant industry but chose to raise him instead.


    Billy, you are kind of hitting on something.


    Larissa recently had some injections under her eyes and on her upper cheeks. Looked like a bunch mosquito bites. She told me she wanted an eye lift while in Tbilisi. She says she is 48 but I suspect in her 50s. Here as a Western woman she has men after her, even young Georgian and Turk men in their 20s. Then along I come at 67 and express an interest in her? NO I never hit on her. Just found her on Tinder. I think this is what is at the center of all her unpleasantness. She is a woman of strong likes and dislikes. She told me she hated Muslims and Blacks. 
    Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
    Post by: msmob on September 11, 2020, 09:26:13 AM
    Maxx,

    1/ that you found L on TINDER is a bit of a giveaway, surely?

    2/ not being mad keen on 'dark men, Turks or Musulmen' is a frequent 'do not bother contacting me' on many FSU W dating profiles..

    Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
    Post by: Maxx2 on September 12, 2020, 04:22:47 AM
    Maxx,

    1/ that you found L on TINDER is a bit of a giveaway, surely?



    I just found out about Tinder a few months ago. I talked with my daughter and she has a bad impression of it. She says Tick Tok is better.



    Title: Larisa was just here. What DRAMA
    Post by: Maxx2 on September 12, 2020, 04:33:25 AM
    Larissa was just here, 5:15 AM Minnesota time, 3:23 PM here. She came to get her final pay. She was expectantly cold. I told her I had her money. And I said she could give me the key. I got the money for 4 days wages, 180 GEL in my wallet and started to hand it to her with my right hand and reached for the key with my left. I sensed by the look on her face it was going to be that kind of deal. She pulled back her hand with the key and asked me how much money it was. I said 180 Lari. She said, "No that is not the right amount." I said, "how much then?" She said, "200 Lari and you will have to go to the bank to get the other 20 Lari ($6.45)." I said I had it on me and I gave her 200 GEL. She then gave me the key. Then she took a towel and wiped the chalk board of HER proposed menu.


    (http://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50332509208_b3799e1b98_c.jpg)





    There is the towel on the table.

    She then went to the door and turned and said, "You are a capricious person and cruel!" I said, "How am I cruel". I never yelled or raised my voice to her. Never made promises I didn't keep. Paid her what she agreed to. I said,
    "Tell me how I am cruel. I want to know so if I am I can change." She said, "You will never change".  Then she said, "You deserve to die alone." So she went out and started walking down the sidewalk. I knew I had to say something to her or I would regret not defending myself. I said, "You've got problems you know" without yelling or raising my voice. I never yell or raise my voice. She said, "No I don't. You DO!!"


    I think why she thinks I am cruel is because she wanted this type of work very, very much, then suddenly I took it away from her. I had one condition, something we discussed this Monday (Saturday now) that she treat me with respect. Not yell at me or insult me. I never did those things to her. My keeping my temper with her was probably thought of as having a cold heart. She couldn't control her temper, yet I can? What does the Bible verse say about a man who can't control his temper?

    Proverbs 25:28
    Like a city whose walls are broken down is a man who does not control his temper.

    Larissa knows a lot of people in Batumi. Restrictions and limitations caused by the covid19 reaction will not be my only difficulty to overcome.
    ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


    One of the things this forum teaches is a man has to establish boundaries. To know when to pass on a woman. When to break off communication. What to put up with and endure and when to say enough is enough.
    Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
    Post by: BillyB on September 12, 2020, 09:19:35 AM



    In a breakup she tried to squeeze another 20 Lari out of you and erase the chalk board. If you want to see how ugly people can get, break up with them. At least she didn't go and tear the restaurant up. I think she knew you had a romantic interest in her because she told you that you deserve to die alone. She's probably hoping you go and chase her and beg her to be by your side. When it comes to business, prevent the little head from making any decisions.


    Can a copy of the key to your restaurant be made? You may want to consider changing the locks.
    Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
    Post by: Hammer2722 on September 12, 2020, 10:56:35 AM

    Can a copy of the key to your restaurant be made? You may want to consider changing the locks.


    I was thinking the exact same thing......
    Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
    Post by: Maxx2 on September 13, 2020, 02:41:43 AM


    In a breakup she tried to squeeze another 20 Lari out of you and erase the chalk board. If you want to see how ugly people can get, break up with them. At least she didn't go and tear the restaurant up. I think she knew you had a romantic interest in her because she told you that you deserve to die alone. She's probably hoping you go and chase her and beg her to be by your side. When it comes to business, prevent the little head from making any decisions.


    Can a copy of the key to your restaurant be made? You may want to consider changing the locks.


    She was very good when it came to honesty with money. The extra 20 GEL was probably for the artist who did the chalk on the board.


    First I only had a slight interest in her as a possible match from Tinder. When I found out she was from South Africa I stopped messaging her. I figured I would be too old for her. FSU women, especially women old enough to be grandmothers, are more accepting of a man of advanced years. Western women less so. She contacted me again and wanted to see my place. Starting a restaurant was very interesting to her. She told me she disliked getting up in the morning with nothing too do. She worked weekends and made good money teaching English. So she volunteered to help me.


    The "die alone" comment was from a conversation I had with her. I told her I came to Georgia to start my life over again and to find a family that could be mine. A wife with grown children and grandchildren. 


    Larissa is obsessed with getting old. She has had botox and other injections. I seen a bunch of what looked like mosquito bites on her cheeks. She told me it was to make the wrinkles around her eyes go away. Botox was done on her forehead. Said she wanted an eye lift when she got to Tbilisi. I think she had breast implants as they didn't have any sag. She made it very, very clear she had no interest in me. And I knew a relationship with her would be a pure nightmare. After a party and the guests went home she had a drank a lot of wine she lit into me insulting me. She said I was just a ridiculous old man and she was a goddess. Hardly. I sat there is silence, didn't argue back then I said nicely, "Well, maybe it is time to go home?" She got up and said, "You're an asshole!!" and stormed out. She has deep anger issues. I forgave that incident. I figure it was the wine and/or menopause. This last incident she hadn't been drinking. Monday and Tuesday she was nice. We worked well together getting things done. Then Wednesday she got insulting. Then Thursday insulting and demanding. So when I came back to the restaurant with the cleaning lady she was gone. I know she knows that I will never chase after her. Why would I want that in my life again? She got her final pay yesterday and I got the key. I really don't think I need to change the locks.



    Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
    Post by: Maxx2 on September 13, 2020, 02:46:33 AM



    This is all so exhausting! But we had gotten the place almost ready to open. The lockdown of the borders and no foreign tourists is a huge problem.
    Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
    Post by: BillyB on September 13, 2020, 08:40:14 AM
    I think she had breast implants as they didn't have any sag. She made it very, very clear she had no interest in me. And I knew a relationship with her would be a pure nightmare.


    If she has no romantic interest in you, how did you see her breasts? Did you have a "friends with benefits" arraignment?
    Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
    Post by: BC on September 13, 2020, 08:54:34 AM
    Billy,

    Fairly easy to spot, even clothed like Ivanka. 
    Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
    Post by: BillyB on September 13, 2020, 09:12:22 AM

    There are firm natural breasts that stick up in the air. A bra helps them stick up even more. Only true way to see if a woman has implants is look for the scars. I'm not convinced Ivanka had breast implants. Ivanka's breasts are larger today than when she was modelling but she has three kids and women's breasts get bigger after kids.
    Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
    Post by: msmob on September 13, 2020, 09:39:15 AM
    I'll bet any ladies reading this are laughing their heads off...

    What the heck has this got to do with starting a new biz in Georgia)))

    Think it's new thread time..!
    Title: Larisa was just here. What DRAMA
    Post by: 2tallbill on September 13, 2020, 09:51:16 AM
    She then went to the door and turned and said, "You are a capricious person and cruel!"

    I said,

    Three pieces of advice
    1. When dealing with a break up in either business or romance is
    to not respond to an obvious verbal attack, just walk them to the
    door and close it behind them.

    2. Don't mix romance and business

    3. To only take on partners when you really need them.

    Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
    Post by: 2tallbill on September 13, 2020, 09:54:22 AM
    I'll bet any ladies reading this are laughing their heads off...

    What possible value is that comment?
    Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
    Post by: msmob on September 13, 2020, 10:02:37 AM
    To keep abreast of things and not make tits of ourselves on Maxx' thread, I started a new thread, Beel


    Title: Re: Larisa was just here. What DRAMA
    Post by: Maxx2 on September 13, 2020, 11:30:40 AM
    Three pieces of advice
    1. When dealing with a break up in either business or romance is
    to not respond to an obvious verbal attack, just walk them to the
    door and close it behind them.

    2. Don't mix romance and business

    3. To only take on partners when you really need them.


    One and three of course. Two..... you got to be kidding me!? She had more red flags than a May Day parade in Red Square! I NEVER mixed romance with business.


    What it is Bill is advice she was getting from "friends" over a bottle of wine. "He's taking advantage of you!" I was paying her going rate of pay.
    Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
    Post by: Maxx2 on September 13, 2020, 11:41:24 AM
    If she has no romantic interest in you, how did you see her breasts? Did you have a "friends with benefits" arraignment?


    Crazy!


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    Title: This Post needs a BillyB comment and his excellent advice...
    Post by: Maxx2 on September 14, 2020, 03:48:14 AM



    Finding really hot peppers here in Georgia has been difficult. Larissa was trying find a source in Tbilisi. So I am walking down the street heading for a corner restaurant I frequent. About halfway there I see stairs along the sidewalk leading to the lower level. By it is a sign that says "OPEN". Sitting on the ledge is what looks like red chili peppers drying in the sun.


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     I go to the restaurant, have my omelet and thinking I should inquire about these.


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    So I walk back and notice a young Thai woman come out the door at the bottom of the stairs with her friend. I ask if the peppers are for sale. I'm told they are, if I come inside. I declined and said maybe later. I could see getting into trouble. Seeing that I am leaving she then says she will sell them to me. I ask "How much." Ten Lari for the bag. So I give her a 10 Lari note. I thought it was high but I wanted to see if they are what I need. The other lady gives me the others on a stick as a throw in. I get back to my shop. Do the calculations in regard to the cost, $105 for 5 pounds. I chose 5 pounds as I am having 5 pounds of dried smoked Chipotle peppers shipped to me via Amazon. At the cost of $60 and $15 for shipping. I am sure I can negotiate a much lower price without the need go down stairs...


    By the way the Thai peppers have the heat we were looking for. Wonder how they will taste after they have been smoked?










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    Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
    Post by: Maxx2 on November 02, 2020, 03:28:02 AM
    Flights to Georgia are on hold until May 22nd. At least half the businesses on my block are closed down. Everyone is hanging on by their fingernails.


    http://www.georgianjournal.ge/business/36504-air-traffic-to-be-halted-until-may-22-gcaa-says.html (http://www.georgianjournal.ge/business/36504-air-traffic-to-be-halted-until-may-22-gcaa-says.html)


    I am still in the set-up mode. Doing my covid-19 self distancing stickers, photographing the menu items and waiting for sane times to return.


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    Saturday the big parliamentary elections were held. The predominate party, "The Georgia Dream" held their power with 48% of the vote. Their main challenger the United Nationalists and the party of Saakachvili in exile in Ukraine got 27%. People are screaming voter fraud. Most of the expats here were for the United Nationalists. ALL Americans to the man and woman are pulling for Trump. Even most other expats of various nationalities and Georgians and the Turks are pulling for Trump. I had a woman from the UAE tell me for the first time her family in various parts of the Middle East are safe. They are all pulling for a Trump win. 


    Got a new worker. At last a good worker who shows up on time. Teaching her to make tomato puree. The stuff in the can is actually less expensive but is has a funky chemical taste of preservatives. 


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    10 kilos of tomatoes @ $9.25. Should cook down to 5 kilos of puree.
    Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
    Post by: BillyB on November 02, 2020, 07:50:14 AM
    Flights to Georgia are on hold until May 22nd. At least half the businesses on my block are closed down. Everyone is hanging on by their fingernails.



    A 6 month hold on flights???  Is the government helping businesses and people who are out of a job?
    Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
    Post by: Maxx2 on November 02, 2020, 10:22:05 PM

    A 6 month hold on flights??? Is the government helping businesses and people who are out of a job?




    Barely. Usually a one time givens of small amounts of money. Usually under a hundred dollars. Some of the expats said that after the elections (last Saturday) everything would go back to normal. I said, "No, it might get worse because the politicians have nothing to restrain them."


    The politicians all over the world who have taken the stand of shutting things down do not want to admit they might have taken the wrong approach. I said it before and was censored that we may have to just let the virus run its course. Masks don't filter out viruses. Social distancing doesn't work. Staying locked up in your house does to a degree until you have to leave it to get food or work. If you have work. My biggest fear is not the virus but an economic crash. Sort of there already. 




    Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
    Post by: Maxx2 on November 02, 2020, 10:27:09 PM
    http://georgiatoday.ge/news/22896/Georgian-PM-Giorgi-Gakharia-Tests-Positive-for-Coronavirus


    Prime Minister of Georgia has covid.
    Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
    Post by: Confederate on November 02, 2020, 10:42:47 PM
    Flights to Georgia are on hold until May 22nd. At least half the businesses on my block are closed down. Everyone is hanging on by their fingernails.


    http://www.georgianjournal.ge/business/36504-air-traffic-to-be-halted-until-may-22-gcaa-says.html (http://www.georgianjournal.ge/business/36504-air-traffic-to-be-halted-until-may-22-gcaa-says.html)


    I am still in the set-up mode. Doing my covid-19 self distancing stickers, photographing the menu items and waiting for sane times to return.


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    Saturday the big parliamentary elections were held. The predominate party, "The Georgia Dream" held their power with 48% of the vote. Their main challenger the United Nationalists and the party of Saakachvili in exile in Ukraine got 27%. People are screaming voter fraud. Most of the expats here were for the United Nationalists. ALL Americans to the man and woman are pulling for Trump. Even most other expats of various nationalities and Georgians and the Turks are pulling for Trump. I had a woman from the UAE tell me for the first time her family in various parts of the Middle East are safe. They are all pulling for a Trump win. 


    Got a new worker. At last a good worker who shows up on time. Teaching her to make tomato puree. The stuff in the can is actually less expensive but is has a funky chemical taste of preservatives. 


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    10 kilos of tomatoes @ $9.25. Should cook down to 5 kilos of puree.

    So are you actually open for business yet, or??

    Great photos.
    Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
    Post by: Maxx2 on November 03, 2020, 12:17:05 AM
    So are you actually open for business yet, or??

    Great photos.


    Thank you.


    I am hesitant in opening until next year which is less than 2 months. The problem is as a USC I have to report any income I make outside the US. Even if it is a small amount. Which no doubt it will be. Do I want to hassle with a 1040 form when I haven't had to since I retired on Social Security (Non-taxed)?


    Except for hanging a few signs I got everything done. All that is left to do is get a license to open a restaurant. Which is quick, easy and at a low cost. Then I fall into the tax system here...  So I am perfecting this place. I've found out that Georgian men love to take selfies with hats and replica guns. So I got some of those on order from Amazon and Ebay.


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    1869 Schofield


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    1873 Army Colt Peacemaker


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    1892 Winchester


    All non-firing replicas. I've got some holsters on there way and the gun belts will be made here.
    Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
    Post by: Maxx2 on November 03, 2020, 12:51:02 AM
    Flights to Georgia are on hold until May 22nd. At least half the businesses on my block are closed down. Everyone is hanging on by their fingernails.


    http://www.georgianjournal.ge/business/36504-air-traffic-to-be-halted-until-may-22-gcaa-says.html (http://www.georgianjournal.ge/business/36504-air-traffic-to-be-halted-until-may-22-gcaa-says.html)



    False alarm. When I seen this article it said "invalid date". This is an article from April! Sorry folks....
    Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
    Post by: BillyB on November 03, 2020, 02:05:38 PM
    So I am perfecting this place. I've found out that Georgian men love to take selfies with hats and replica guns. So I got some of those on order from Amazon and Ebay.



    Great idea to give your place some character and provide customers with memories. Hopefully customs doesn't confiscate your replicas.
    Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
    Post by: BdHvA on November 03, 2020, 09:48:10 PM
    Maxx,

    I admire your persistence with this endeavor as well as continuing the thread.

    For what it is worth the 'food styling' in the meals depicted was quite good! If it tastes as good as it looks and has both novelty and value, you might be able to create a lucrative business.
    Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
    Post by: Maxx2 on November 04, 2020, 12:48:51 AM

    Great idea to give your place some character and provide customers with memories. Hopefully customs doesn't confiscate your replicas.


    If you look closely in the photo of the hats and pancho there is a replica revolver of a 1861 Civil War Colt. When I got it the package was inspected (opened). It passed so I am keeping my fingers crossed about the other three on there way




    Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
    Post by: msmob on November 05, 2020, 11:58:01 PM
    Maxx

    The Lari is tumbling due to the war between Armenia and Azerbaijan , instability due to the recent election ( in the Republic of Georgia) results being protested AND the  renewed  threat from COVID-19

    Can you  start to trade as a takeaway  (food to go)?
    Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
    Post by: Maxx2 on November 26, 2020, 05:46:27 AM



    The "lockdown" here in Georgia are about to begin so says the news. They are to continue till sometime in February unless they are extended...


    I would estimate from the empty closed down and shuttered businesses here in Batumi more than half of the businesses are out of business.


    Tomorrow all bars, restaurants, gyms are to be closed.


    Plan 'B' for me is I will be working with the 'Z' the manager of a soon to be closed down popular establishment. In exchange for various help from her and her boyfriend I will keep them fed and provide small amounts of money for various sundries they need. My restaurant is about 95 + % finished. Mostly what I need to do is a website and a menu and of course wait for saner times.   


    "Take away" food as they call it here is allowable. Glovo, Menu.ge and Wolt are the delivery services. They charge 35% of the cost of the food delivered. The government charges a VAT tax of 18%. The 47% that is left over is where the restaurants are supposed to make money. Of course there is the overhead of the cost of the food, rent, utilities and labor that comes out of the 47%. Frankly many restaurants have given up on delivery services all together.


    Part of Plan 'B' is for me to sell my food as "take away" out of the closed down popular establishment and do own own delivery. I got the car. Public transportation is also closed. But private cars are allowed so far. This time they allow mechanics to continue to work unlike what they did back in parts of April and May. 


    The world has lost its mind.
    Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
    Post by: msmob on November 26, 2020, 05:57:31 AM


    The world as lost its mind I am afraid.

    ..and what would you suggest ?  Have you attended an A&E dept ( ER ) room, recently ?

    MANY nations are beyond coping and if you are 60+ you are not a priority ..   I don't think you want Georgia to be in that state.

    It's the less crapier option, until vaccine rollouts

    Why not start a competitor to the big three Restaurant delivery services ?



    Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
    Post by: Maxx2 on November 26, 2020, 06:14:00 AM
    The Georgian government has decided to tighten and expand restrictions throughout the country.
    Based on the decision of the Interagency Coordination Council, from November 28 to January 31, the following will be FORBIDDEN in Georgia:
    Movement of persons from 21:00 to 05:00 on foot or by transport, as well as being in public spaces. Exceptions will be New Year's Eve - December 31 and Christmas Eve - January 6;
    Regular intercity transportation of passengers, including by rail, bus, minibus. There are NO restrictions on cars (including taxis);
    Operations of gyms and swimming pools;
    Activities of sports, art and cultural circles/studios;
    Holding all kinds of live conferences, trainings, cultural and entertainment events. The above will only be allowed online;
    Restaurants and eateries will be fully switched to takeaway service. Allowed services: takeaway, "delivery" and "drive".

    In big cities - Tbilisi, Batumi, Kutaisi, Rustavi, Gori, Poti, Zugdidi, Telavi - and ski resorts Bakuriani, Gudauri, Goderdzi and Mestia, the following restrictions are additionally imposed:
    Operation of municipal transport within the borders of Tbilisi, Telavi, Batumi, Kutaisi, Rustavi, Gori, Poti and Zugdidi;
    Shopping facilities (except for grocery stores, animal food stores, pharmacies, veterinary pharmacies, household chemicals and hygiene shops and press booths) will operate only remotely;
    Outdoor and indoor markets will not operate. Agrarian markets will continue to function;
    Schools, vocational schools and higher education institutions (except medical education programs) are fully switched to distance learning;
    Private and public kindergartens will close;
    The operation of hotels in ski resorts will be allowed only for the arrangement of quarantine spaces. The operation of ski slopes and ski lifts will be suspended until February 1st.

    Restrictions will be eased between December 24 and January 2:
    Shopping centers, outdoor and indoor markets will operate;
    Operation of both municipal and intercity transport will be restored;

    From January 3 to January 15:
    All restrictions imposed from 28 November to 24 December shall be reinstated;
    Public and private institutions will not operate, except for banks and objects and services of strategic importance.

    From January 16 to January 31 across the country:
    Operations of municipal and intercity transport, shops and outdoor and indoor markets (except weekends) will be restored;
    BUT on weekends, transport, shopping malls and markets will stop working;
    During this period, transportation by car (including taxi) will not be restricted and the restrictions will not apply to all other economic activities, including:
    Public and private construction-repair activities- allowed;
    Banking and financial activities- allowed;
    Operation of grocery stores, animal food stores, pharmacies, veterinary pharmacies, household chemicals and hygiene stores and press booths- allowed;
    Delivery and takeaway services- allowed;
    Operation of beauty salons and aesthetic medicine centers- allowed;
    Car maintenance and technical inspection services- allowed;
    Home appliance repair services -allowed;
    The operation of the agrarian markets -allowed.
    And so on.

    By Ana Dumbadze
    Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
    Post by: goldenstone on December 02, 2020, 04:26:12 AM
    ..and what would you suggest ?  Have you attended an A&E dept ( ER ) room, recently ?

    MANY nations are beyond coping and if you are 60+ you are not a priority ..   I don't think you want Georgia to be in that state.

    It's the less crapier option, until vaccine rollouts

    Why not start a competitor to the big three Restaurant delivery services ?

    I have docs as friends. There is none of this actually happening.
    Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
    Post by: msmob on December 02, 2020, 05:25:32 AM
    I have docs as friends. There is none of this actually happening.

    Hello 'goldenstone'

    You picked the wrong guy to have a 'debate' about docs in the firing line... ;)

    Take your conspiracies and post them.......thank you





    Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
    Post by: Maxx2 on December 06, 2020, 06:49:04 AM



    An article


    Op-Ed
    As the nation moves into the grey chill of December, the redeeming joys of gathering with friends and family in a warm restaurant or bar are all but a faded memory. Heavy-handed mandates by the government have closed retail outlets, gathering places, and any respite from the doldrums of winter have been ripped from the people’s hands. While this is an immense hit on the social life of many, the true casualties are the small businesses that are forced to go to ground. Especially since these restrictions are set to be in force through the holiday season, one of the more economically robust periods of the year.
    Where normally tourists and local residents alike are out dining, shopping, and generally driving the consumer end of the economy, this fiscal year, it will be frozen. While the government refuses to label it a “lockdown”, there are few other words to describe the draconian measures being taken against a virus with an extremely low kill ratio. A virus with a 99.1% survival rate among those who contract it, and a statistically 3.84% chance of even being contracted, should not have the control over the country that it does.
    The government action is claimed to be backed by science and medical perspectives. However, this is a monochromatic way of looking at things. The economic, social, and security voices have largely been left unheard.
    Economically, Georgia is already bleeding from the first battle with restrictions. With a new round of restrictions comes a new round of victims. In the first 10 months of 2020, the Georgian economy has shrunk 5.1%. While a small number on the surface, this is massive for an economy already fighting for every fraction of growth percentage. With the announcement of more restrictions in November, experts are painting a worrisome picture for the future.
    This impending collapse of the small business machine that underpins much of the local microeconomics in the large cities is like a rot in the walls. While it may not be seen so clearly now, it will slowly eat away at the structure of the nation. In addition, the loss of livelihoods for the people that own and work in these business will be the catalyst for a social shift.
    This social shift, some of which is already being seen, has the potential to be a slippery slope backwards for the country. Many Georgians still remember the socio-economic strife of the 1990s, and with due fear would never wish its return. While this is still a fair way off in the future, it is shifts like we are seeing now that are the first rumblings of its return. The recent string of high-profile robberies is a stark contrast to the calm of the past years. In the first day of December, a hospital meant for the treatment of COVID patients was robbed at gunpoint.
    This uptick in crime is only the tip of the incoming iceberg that further restrictions and their harsh enforcement will bring. As people are left with few other options, many will return to the ways that they know will bring them income. In addition, violent crime, drug use and alcoholism will begin to set in. People stuck at home, with little motivation and no work, are more likely to resort to alternative means of respite. While there has been a small drug-fueled underworld in Tbilisi for some time, this has largely been kept in strict check by local law enforcement. Now, this will start to grow its influence, with more users turning to its euphoric allure.
    This expansion of the criminal world stands to make life increasing harder for local authorities to provide the quality of life and stability to which many have become accustomed. The increased efforts to curb this expansion by the government will mean more restrictions and more heavy-handed efforts against the people. In return, the people will defy orders and respond with more violent crime, eventually turning on their local law enforcement and government representatives. The future snowball effect of this exchange is bleak.
    While the intentions of the government restrictions may be well placed, they are off center when it comes to their effectiveness. Curfews are widely viewed as an unnecessary and misguided attempt to stop movement, as if a virus is set to a timer and only works a graveyard shift. Mandatory mask-wearing in open public spaces where the effectiveness is virtually nil, and forcing people to wear something that is largely a cosmetic representation of your adherence to regulations is something many would have thought to be something out of a dystopian novel.
    The government’s willingness to turn their back on the economic lifelines that fuel the very country they say they are sworn to protect is disheartening. While they attempt to look through the eyes of the medical professional, they ignore the economist, the shopkeeper, the worker, and even the local policeman just trying to keep his childhood district safe from crime. The restrictions and their furtherance are an advancement of a line of rhetoric that only the fiscally illiterate and socio-economically inept would pursue. The best case scenario is to embrace smart and safe practices, and continue to let the economy, the free market, and the strength of the Georgian people, overcome this “pandemic.” The Kartli people of the mountains have weathered far worse, and this foreign invader will not be any exception.
    By Michael Godwin
    Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
    Post by: Maxx2 on December 06, 2020, 07:23:55 AM

    Great idea to give your place some character and provide customers with memories. Hopefully customs doesn't confiscate your replicas.




    When it got to the Batumi post office they got scared and sent them to Tbilisi for customs to inspect. It passed.


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    Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
    Post by: Maxx2 on December 06, 2020, 07:44:53 AM



    From left to right


    1869 Schofield, 1892 Winchester, 1873 Colt and one in the back is an 1861 Army Colt. Except for the latter they look, feel, sound (the sound of the hammers coming back) so realist I am a afraid they might get stolen and used in a crime. A few days ago the Tbilisi Sea Hospital was robbed. And there has been several high profile bank robberies with hostages. Desperate times make desperate people.


    The Schofield cracks open to reload. It came with 6 "bullets". The Winchester cocks like the one in the 60's TV show 'The Rifleman".


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmJ_CtsUKFE


    The '73 Colt even has a bullet injector so you can load it and then push out the supposed used shells. The barrels only are drilled out about 4 to 6 inches. When you cock the hammer the barrel rotates except for the '61 Colt. That one was a cheap made Chinese model I got for $26. The other pistols ran about $60 each. The rifle $115. On the stock on the right sign is the initials  'JW' for John Wayne.


    The Rifleman youtube has Lee Van Clift before he became famous in The Good The Bad and The Ugly. 


    Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
    Post by: BillyB on December 06, 2020, 10:13:10 PM
    Those are good looking replicas. Got a way to mount them on the wall so they aren't easily stolen?
    Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
    Post by: Maxx2 on December 06, 2020, 11:40:10 PM
    Those are good looking replicas. Got a way to mount them on the wall so they aren't easily stolen?


    I thought of buying some hangers and small padlock locks with cables. Now I am worried that Batumi will descend into chaos with rioting and looting. As I wrote someplace else.

    "Victims" of covid includes those unemployed and businesses that have been shuttered. On my block in the old historic downtown of Batumi there used to be 19 businesses (I did a count). Now there are only one "take away" restaurant and 2 very small grocery stores. The owner of the restaurant has laid off all of his employees. I have a restaurant that is shuttered. Glovo and Wolt wanted to charge me a 35% food delivery charge and this is on top of a 18% VAT tax. My best friend in Tbilisi has been out of work for 9 months. He is trying to get a visa for Poland so he can work and send money home to his wife and young children. These are facts.

    A while ago I did a check of the 2019 annual deaths here in Georgia. It was 46,659 of a population of 3.7 million people. In trying to use these numbers to put the reaction to covid into perspective it is quite easy to look callous and cruel.
    Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
    Post by: msmob on December 06, 2020, 11:55:52 PM
    Maxx

    Last week hospitals in Tbilisi were at full stretch and folks on trolleys or waiting in Ambulances for houre to be seen .

    THAT is why what you deem 'unfair' is happening.

    The govt is trying to stop COVID-19  rendering the  health service unable to cope..

    Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
    Post by: BillyB on December 06, 2020, 11:59:55 PM

    A while ago I did a check of the 2019 annual deaths here in Georgia. It was 46,659 of a population of 3.7 million people. In trying to use these numbers to put the reaction to covid into perspective it is quite easy to look callous and cruel.



    I don't think a lot of governments are honest with the numbers. Reporting bad numbers is political suicide so why do it.
    Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
    Post by: Maxx2 on December 07, 2020, 02:13:37 AM

    I don't think a lot of governments are honest with the numbers. Reporting bad numbers is political suicide so why do it.


    The Georgian English language website used to mention the ages and health conditions of the those that died. They stopped doing that several months ago. Now they are doing much much more testing and finding thousands of new cases every day. In most of the new cases the people barely feel it.
    Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
    Post by: msmob on December 07, 2020, 02:51:26 AM
    Maxx,

    Many people infected are indeed symptomatic..but for those that are not and particularly those recovering in hospital, even much younger folk, catching it can be deadly.

    Some folks just do not want to understand..

    No govt wants to implement deeply unpopular policies..this is about ensuring the health system can cope.



    Title: Re: Starting and Running a Business in the Republic of Georgia, Batumi
    Post by: goldenstone on December 30, 2020, 09:17:46 AM
    Maxx

    Last week hospitals in Tbilisi were at full stretch and folks on trolleys or waiting in Ambulances for houre to be seen .

    THAT is why what you deem 'unfair' is happening.

    The govt is trying to stop COVID-19  rendering the  health service unable to cope..

    Did you see that for yourself or has this just been reported by the "quality" media outlets?
    I know of places where this hysteria is a non-event. It does not justify to kill the small businesses for some flu.

    Now they run the train with the more tests the more cases you have due to false positive.

    It becomes all so predictable and easy to understand once you follow several countries all doing the same. Maybe soon they run the new mutation stories there as well.

    I hope Max you will be ok with your restaurant. I wish you best of luck.
    Sadly Georgia is playing most probably what the eu is demanding, which sadly eliminates this as a valid option for living.