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Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 05, 2020, 11:54:24 AM
Just thought I would start a thread here to get an idea of each member's response to the virus threat (buying of respirator masks, stocking up, etc). Also how it is affecting them so far including any plans to travel and/or date women in the FSU?
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: msmob on March 05, 2020, 01:00:35 PM
Just thought I would start a thread here to get an idea of each member's response to the virus threat (buying of respirator masks, stocking up, etc). Also how it is affecting them so far including any plans to travel and/or date women in the FSU?

Mostly I'm just gob-smacked at the fuss some folks are making ... 
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: krimster2 on March 05, 2020, 02:56:18 PM
are you serious?
we went from NO cases at all here in texas
to the first case yesterday, and two cases today, both not far from where I live
and the entire city of San Antonio is on emergency quarantine, because a government quarantined patient who had Covid-19 was accidentally released from the hospital and he then spent two hours at the food court at a local shopping mall...

so we are at stage 1 of the epidemic, people returning from infected zones bringing the disease with them...
hopefully warmer weather will slow the future rate of infection here in Texas and elsewhere
but I suspect the first cases to appear here are just the tip of the iceberg

I am slowly preparing for what's coming, I don't want to contribute to panic buying
where I live, most people are already somewhat prepared because this is hurricane country
and most of the dewds in my neighborhood already have automatic weapons in case we need to establish a "well regulated militia"...

think night patrol with gibbeting outside your community gate of apprehended looters
this will be normal 5 years from now...

when I run out of food..
i'll tell my family that I spent all day hunting in the forest behind my house got a deer and traded it to someone else for food...
but in reality, I'm using the cover of the woods, to stake out other's people's houses...
and when I find one that is vulnerable, I will rob it and kill the people inside and then bring what I robbed back to my family...
hi honey! I'm home!

sure hope my neighbors don't read this!



 
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 05, 2020, 04:13:46 PM
Mostly I'm just gob-smacked at the fuss some folks are making ...

Just returned from an ASDA superstore just outside of Cardiff. The hand wash pump bottles and the soap were completely out of stock, all sold out! Never seen anything like it, at least 1 metre wide by 1 meter high and about at least a foot back, where loads of bottle normally are, now nothing. Toilet roll isle was low too about three quarters empty. Fortunately they still had their Asda 12 pack recycled toiled tissue, so stocked up with three lots of them.

Earlier in the day I popped in Wickes and they are all out of the paper masks. Looking online apparently most of them are made in China so they are unlikely to be restocked for some time. China aren't letting anymore be exported abroad and some people there are resorting to wearing bra's cups for face masks, lol.

Anyway, picked myself up some cheap goggles there and a pair of heavy duty gloves in ASDA. I've got enough hand wash to keep me going but some more hand sanitizer would have been nice. Will add to my stock as and when I can :)
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: fathertime on March 05, 2020, 04:15:16 PM



when I run out of food..
i'll tell my family that I spent all day hunting in the forest behind my house got a deer and traded it to someone else for food...
but in reality, I'm using the cover of the woods, to stake out other's people's houses...
and when I find one that is vulnerable, I will rob it and kill the people inside and then bring what I robbed back to my family...
hi honey! I'm home!
Nice! But if you go after Mooby's house a black eye and the firearm up your ass is what you can expect! 

Fathertime! 
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 05, 2020, 04:27:01 PM
are you serious?
we went from NO cases at all here in texas
to the first case yesterday, and two cases today, both not far from where I live
and the entire city of San Antonio is on emergency quarantine, because a government quarantined patient who had Covid-19 was accidentally released from the hospital and he then spent two hours at the food court at a local shopping mall...

so we are at stage 1 of the epidemic, people returning from infected zones bringing the disease with them...
hopefully warmer weather will slow the future rate of infection here in Texas and elsewhere
but I suspect the first cases to appear here are just the tip of the iceberg

I am slowly preparing for what's coming, I don't want to contribute to panic buying
where I live, most people are already somewhat prepared because this is hurricane country
and most of the dewds in my neighborhood already have automatic weapons in case we need to establish a "well regulated militia"...

think night patrol with gibbeting outside your community gate of apprehended looters
this will be normal 5 years from now...

when I run out of food..
i'll tell my family that I spent all day hunting in the forest behind my house got a deer and traded it to someone else for food...
but in reality, I'm using the cover of the woods, to stake out other's people's houses...
and when I find one that is vulnerable, I will rob it and kill the people inside and then bring what I robbed back to my family...
hi honey! I'm home!

sure hope my neighbors don't read this!

Today the virus is up to 30 to 116 in total and the first person to die of it in the UK, a woman with pre-existing medical condition. Some of those 116 are from the early days and have since been treated and released of course, but it's certainly out there and slowly spreading. People here are panic buying now but it's all been civilized so far as I know.

I think the real mad panic will set in when cases suddenly spike up. That's when all those with masks like myself will come out and put them on. At the moment there's little point as if we are going to be wearing them a while it would be better to avoid doing so for as long a period as possible as it will no doubt get a pain after a few months of it. Of course I would generally only wear it when out of the house.

I'm surprised with your level of economic muscle you aren't in the midst of it all Krim, you could buy up loads of all the essentials now and sell on at a vastly inflated price later. It's likely to only get worse. I may buy up some masks for that purpose but am seeing how the supply goes but with China holding out it looks like it's mostly rubber masks that will be in supply as short as that may be.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: Chelseaboy on March 05, 2020, 04:35:15 PM
Between 250,000 and 500,000 people die each year worldwide from the Flu.

3,000 people have died from Corrona virus in three months worldwide.

What's all the fuss about ?

You've far more chance of Flu killing you.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 05, 2020, 04:55:49 PM
Between 250,000 and 500,000 people die each year worldwide from the Flu.

3,000 people have died from Corrona virus in three months worldwide.

What's all the fuss about ?

You've far more chance of Flu killing you.

True, but Coronavirus would probably kill far more if it wasn't for containment. So far Coronavirus has infected far less people. I think if people hadn't bothered with containment it would already be a major pandemic.

That said I do wonder if it might have been easier for those with existing health conditions to self isolate and the rest of us just to take our chances and ride it out that way. There's no better fun than a good panic though, lol.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: GQBlues on March 05, 2020, 05:04:03 PM
Truth of the matter is, of those infected with covid-19, only old farts with medical condition had died so far.

Since, FWIW, the men on this message board don't look their age, or feel 20-25 years younger than their age, methinks no one on this board have anything to be concerned about.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: BillyB on March 05, 2020, 06:23:32 PM
Just thought I would start a thread here to get an idea of each member's response to the virus threat (buying of respirator masks, stocking up, etc). Also how it is affecting them so far including any plans to travel and/or date women in the FSU?

I don't need to buy anything now. I don't need to stand in long lines or overpay for items like masks. Life is normal but wife and I are curbing our activities outside the home.

Between 250,000 and 500,000 people die each year worldwide from the Flu.

3,000 people have died from Corrona virus in three months worldwide.

What's all the fuss about ?

You've far more chance of Flu killing you.

Most people in the world get the flu multiple times in their life. WHO now says there's a 3.4% death rate after originally underestimating it at 2%. Their numbers are still low but assuming the rate holds, if 7.7 billion people on earth get this virus once in their lifetime, 268 million people will die. Imagine if we had to live with this virus and get it multiple times over our lives. This virus is related to the cold virus. There has never been a cure/vaccine invented for the variety of cold viruses we get. This isn't a normal cold virus. It's a cold virus on steroids. Could've be genetically engineered to be a bad ass.

WHO right now is asking all countries to put out all stops. Regions experiencing outbreaks have medical systems overloaded. There will not be enough medical personnel and devices to help people breathe if too many people get infected. South Korea is spending 25 billion dollars to fight the problem. A few nations already closed all schools. China shut down their economy and quarantined 760 million people to stop the spread. Humanity can't live with this virus because it will cost us over and over and over again. But governments are doing the right thing to give the impression this virus isn't much more dangerous than the flu. Governments are not acting like this virus isn't more dangerous than the flu though.

Truth of the matter is, of those infected with covid-19, only old farts with medical condition had died so far.


Old farts have a higher chance to die when obtaining any illness. If WHO's 3.4% death rate holds, it would mean this virus is 34 times more deadlier than the flu and that makes it more deadlier for any age group. At least with flus we have vaccines and anti viral medicine to combat it.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: Gator on March 05, 2020, 07:30:34 PM
Truth of the matter is, of those infected with covid-19, only old farts with medical condition had died so far.

COVID-19 could be instrumental in improving the deficits expected in Social Security and Medicare programs.  Just like the Enron traders chanting, "Burn baby, Burn,"  the Millenials will chant "Choke geezer, choke."   :D     
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: msmob on March 05, 2020, 08:35:19 PM
Nice! But if you go after Mooby's house a black eye and the firearm up your ass is what you can expect! 

Fathertime!




 firearms .....?

ME ?

Just my hard head ;)


Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: krimster2 on March 05, 2020, 09:32:11 PM
well it looks we're gonns get a wall with Mexico after all and they REALLY are gonna pay for it...
BUT, it's purpose is to keep gringos out of central America now...
Costa Rica just had its first case...

however, in Costa Rica, normal Flu season is from May to December
Costa Rica is now almost at its highest temperature for the year
my partners and I will probably suspend our Costa Rica project now
so we don't end up being quarantined and cut-off in the future, when there are more stringent travel restrictions....

here, in texas, we've already run out of testing kits, so whenever a doctor or hospital orders a test, the result is, "sorry we have no supplies"....

in the USA we went from 124 cases 3 days ago to 226 late last night...
in texas we went from 0 to 14...

it seems to be more lethal than we expected, also there are two different strains, one more lethal than the other and you can get both

it looks like the growth slowed down today though...



 
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 06, 2020, 01:48:43 AM
Business report confirming what I said in the other thread about other airlines potentially going bust over Coronavirus:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-51748139

Looking like there could be some big winners & losers in business from Coronavirus.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 06, 2020, 02:00:14 AM
I don't need to buy anything now. I don't need to stand in long lines or overpay for items like masks. Life is normal but wife and I are curbing our activities outside the home.

So far I've managed to buy everything at normal price including my mask without overpaying. This has surprised me as I expected shops to cash in not just go with the normal price they charge. I'm guessing if it turns into a long term thing it won't stay this way though.

Screwfix (DIY trade chain) even had a £1 discount on their paper masks reducing them from £2.99 to £1.99, crazy, they could have easily have charged the going rate, lol.

Panic buying has been going on in the supermarkets and reported in the news this morning. They are still charging normal price here in the places I have been shopping in at least, not sure whether the supermarkets could have cashed in by charging more. Guessing when people have stocked up enough on toilet rolls etc it will ease of them as they can last a while. Hand sanitizers might be ongoing a while though I'm guessing:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51729012
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 06, 2020, 02:22:07 AM
Most people in the world get the flu multiple times in their life. WHO now says there's a 3.4% death rate after originally underestimating it at 2%. Their numbers are still low but assuming the rate holds, if 7.7 billion people on earth get this virus once in their lifetime, 268 million people will die. Imagine if we had to live with this virus and get it multiple times over our lives. This virus is related to the cold virus. There has never been a cure/vaccine invented for the variety of cold viruses we get. This isn't a normal cold virus. It's a cold virus on steroids. Could've be genetically engineered to be a bad ass.

WHO right now is asking all countries to put out all stops. Regions experiencing outbreaks have medical systems overloaded. There will not be enough medical personnel and devices to help people breathe if too many people get infected. South Korea is spending 25 billion dollars to fight the problem. A few nations already closed all schools. China shut down their economy and quarantined 760 million people to stop the spread. Humanity can't live with this virus because it will cost us over and over and over again. But governments are doing the right thing to give the impression this virus isn't much more dangerous than the flu. Governments are not acting like this virus isn't more dangerous than the flu though.

Old farts have a higher chance to die when obtaining any illness. If WHO's 3.4% death rate holds, it would mean this virus is 34 times more deadlier than the flu and that makes it more deadlier for any age group. At least with flus we have vaccines and anti viral medicine to combat it.

I've been wondering the same thing as it seems to fall worst on the elderly, particularly though with pre-existing conditions. If you think of it many nations are sitting on a population crises of too many people. Among them the elderly are seen as holding on beyond the usual time off passing due to better medical treatment these days. They are seen as an economic burden by governments due to pension payouts, medical treatment costs, long stays in care homes, etc. Then there is the environmental and resources impact of having a lot of people on the planet.

Could it be that the virus may have been deliberately introduced in China under the guise of a wild animal trade? I think China were too lax in allowing this virus to spread beyond its borders while putting across the impression they were taking strict action. They should have really closed all airports and travel in & out of China till it was over. May have been a few months but then it would have been done.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: msmob on March 06, 2020, 02:33:40 AM
From 'paper masks' to 'flight bans' Trench's 'thinking' demonstrates he hasn't THUNK.

Before this virus was identified the Chinese were all over the world celebrating New Year.

Italy banned flights from China...

Which Euro nation has it worst?


'Thank you'...
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: BillyB on March 06, 2020, 08:06:02 AM
From 'paper masks' to 'flight bans' Trench's 'thinking' demonstrates he hasn't THUNK.

Before this virus was identified the Chinese were all over the world celebrating New Year.


More bad info provided by Moby. Chinese New Year was January 25, 2020. Why do you think the number 2019 is in the name of the virus? But yes, they were celebrating New Year even after the virus was detected in 2019. The city of Wuhan gave out 200,000 free New Years tickets in 2020 for their New Year celebration. Probably had to give them for free because rumors were already going around something out there is killing people.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: Faux Pas on March 06, 2020, 08:15:28 AM
well it looks we're gonns get a wall with Mexico after all and they REALLY are gonna pay for it...
BUT, it's purpose is to keep gringos out of central America now...
Costa Rica just had its first case...

however, in Costa Rica, normal Flu season is from May to December
Costa Rica is now almost at its highest temperature for the year
my partners and I will probably suspend our Costa Rica project now
so we don't end up being quarantined and cut-off in the future, when there are more stringent travel restrictions....

here, in texas, we've already run out of testing kits, so whenever a doctor or hospital orders a test, the result is, "sorry we have no supplies"....

in the USA we went from 124 cases 3 days ago to 226 late last night...
in texas we went from 0 to 14...

it seems to be more lethal than we expected, also there are two different strains, one more lethal than the other and you can get both

it looks like the growth slowed down today though...

Premature IMO. This is nothing more than a media fueled hysteria by the powers that be.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: Boethius on March 06, 2020, 09:19:28 AM
In China, people start travelling for the lunar holiday in early January.  The "official" start of the Lunar Year this was was January 10.  People start travelling before that date.


The first case of coronavirus was officially reported on December 31.  Wuhan wasn't quarantined until January 23.   So, people did in fact travel for the Lunar holiday (which is a 40 day period in China) before that quarantine, but after the virus had spread.


This post was composed without the aid of google.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: BillyB on March 06, 2020, 09:57:42 AM
In China, people start travelling for the lunar holiday in early January.  The "official" start of the Lunar Year this was was January 10.  People start travelling before that date.

 Wuhan wasn't quarantined until January 23.   So, people did in fact travel for the Lunar holiday (which is a 40 day period in China) before that quarantine, but after the virus had spread.


Why help Moby? He specifically said " celebrating New Year" not "celebrating prior to New Year." Chinese New Year preparations started Jan 17. New Year celebration begins Jan 25 and ends Feb 4

http://chinesenewyear.net/

The first case of coronavirus was officially reported on December 31. 


That is the day the Chinese government reported they discovered a new virus to WHO. There were so many cases of infected people in Wuhan that a doctor was sounding the alarm on social media before Dec 31. If the doctor didn't sound the alarm and let the cat out of the bag, I don't think China would've reported anything to WHO. China was negligent for allowing their people to gather in large groups for the New Year.

Chinese article below written Sept 18 2019 saying a person was diagnosed with a new kind of coronavirus. As I stated previously, my uncle was on a tour of China and in the middle of November his tour group was scheduled to stop in Wuhan. The Chinese military stopped his train and told them to go around Wuhan.

http://www.ctdsb.net/html/2019/0918/sportsMeet260345.html

Translated version of that Chinese article below.

http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=zh-CN&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ctdsb.net%2Fhtml%2F2019%2F0918%2FsportsMeet260345.html
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: 2tallbill on March 06, 2020, 09:59:42 AM
Just returned from an ASDA superstore just outside of Cardiff.
The hand wash pump bottles and the soap were completely
out of stock, all sold out! Never seen anything like it

Back when I lived in Norf Dekody during the oil boom, I would
go into Walmart with the idea of buying steaks. They didn't
have any meat. They had ox tails and hamburger. No chicken,
no pork, nothing else. 30+ meters of empty refrigerated shelves.

The locals were the worst. It was as if they thought up things to
make things worse. I went into a little store like Target but smaller
and asked about hangers for clothes. The local woman (we called
them Dorothy's*) said that they stopped ordering hangers because
they couldn't keep them on the shelves. 

That was their solution. I went to a restaurant in Watford City at
1:00 pm and they turned me away because they ran out of food. 

I made sandwiches for lunch except when all the stores were out
of bread, which happened all the time. One day I was in the bathroom
at Walmart in Williston which was the always a total zoo. A newbie
was looked at me and said "can you believe they are out of paper
towels!!?"

I could just tell he wasn't going to make it. You wouldn't make it if
you lost your mind when something went wrong. For every 10 people 
who went to North Dakota to work at least half wouldn't make it for
6 months. In the winter it was more like 7 out of 10. 

What have I done to prepare for the Corona virus? I've stopped licking
the caps of Mexican beer bottles before opening them. I wipe the cap
area off with my shirt before it goes to my lips.

*Dorothy's reference was from the young girl from the wizard of oz.

Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: Boethius on March 06, 2020, 10:53:16 AM
I wasn't "protecting" moby.  I merely pointed to the inaccuracy of the riposte. 


The reality is that millions of Chinese had already travelled to their home villages to celebrate the Lunar Year before Chinese officials quarantined Wuhan and other cities.


This post was composed without the aid of google.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: krimster2 on March 06, 2020, 11:18:31 AM
well, Rice University had it's first case yesterday from a traveler,
I told my daughter if cases develop from no known contact source to come home
and be quarantined...

I signed up as a volunteer at Rice to test a lab grown covid-19 anti-body as a potential treatment and got the injection today
i'm not sure if I get the placebo or not, I didn't have much of any reaction yet...
i'm supposed to take my pulse and temp twice per day for the next two weeks and get 4 blood tests

next flu season is when this will rage like an Australian wildfire here in Texas

we are in deep doo doo here folks

and beyond survival.....
poverty always trails closely behind his ole pal plague
expect USA GDP to drop 10% next year
hospitals way past overflowing
a rising number of unemployed people fearing over their lack of health insurance
every market has crashed everywhere with huge losses
all schools, restaurants, public places shut down
global travel severely restricted
and that's just next year....
it's gonna get worse the year after that
and worse the year after that
and worse...

here in the USA...
if this strain of SARS, which was completely unknown ANYWHERE in the world less than a year ago
gets to the same level of infection as the flu
it will infect millions and kill hundreds of thousands
EVERY YEAR

at that point the USA is completely shutdown like Wuhan
and everyone is locked in their house

get the picture now folks?




 



Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: jone on March 06, 2020, 11:22:02 AM
well, Rice University had it's first case yesterday from a traveler,
I told my daughter if cases develop from no known contact source to come home
and be quarantined...

I signed up as a volunteer at Rice to test a lab grown covid-19 anti-body as a potential treatment and got the injection today
i'm not sure if I get the placebo or not, I didn't have much of any reaction yet...
i'm supposed to take my pulse and temp twice per day for the next two weeks and get 4 blood tests

next flu season is when this will rage like an Australian wildfire here in Texas

we are in deep doo doo here folks

and beyond survival.....
poverty always trails closely behind his ole pal plague
expect USA GDP to drop 10% next year
hospitals way past overflowing
a rising number of unemployed people fearing over their lack of health insurance
every market has crashed everywhere with huge losses
all schools, restaurants, public places shut down
global travel severely restricted
and that's just next year....
it's gonna get worse the year after that
and worse the year after that
and worse...

get the picture now folks?

LOL.

I would have loved to read your prose from 1999.   "The end of the world as we know it is upon us.  All computer systems will shut down and we will not be able to draw cash from the bank.  Better stock up on food supplies, toilet paper and firewood.  None of these will be available after Y2K!"
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: Faux Pas on March 06, 2020, 11:25:23 AM
I wasn't "protecting" moby.  I merely pointed to the inaccuracy of the riposte. 

The riposte was not any more or less accurate than your statement here.


Quote
The reality is that millions of Chinese had already travelled to their home villages to celebrate the Lunar Year before Chinese officials quarantined Wuhan and other cities.

That statement actually states nothing nor does Moob's. It's as if you're posting just to see your post. Did you 'thank' Moobs? He apparently is expecting someone to. You can't know especially at this point that when the Chinese travel to their home villages and when the Chinese government quarantined Wuhan to any connection with the virus itself. Again at this point you can not say with any certainty that it was Chinese nationals that caused the rapid spread over the globe

Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: krimster2 on March 06, 2020, 11:26:11 AM
no, just the opposite...
I laughed about it, thought it was a pretty good scam, I knew some mediocre people who made decent money being Y2K consultants
but they were bottom feeders
which is all Y2K was about IMHO...
ahhh, good times...

Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: Boethius on March 06, 2020, 11:31:47 AM
That statement actually states nothing nor does Moob's. It's as if you're posting just to see your post. Did you 'thank' Moobs? He apparently is expecting someone to. You can't know especially at this point that when the Chinese travel to their home villages and when the Chinese government quarantined Wuhan to any connection with the virus itself. Again at this point you can not say with any certainty that it was Chinese nationals that caused the rapid spread over the globe

People typically start travelling before the "official" period of the Lunar Year, which started January 10. 

The CBC reported heavily on this issue, and did a lot of "man on the street" interviews in China, which is initially how I knew of this.  Since that time, I've spoken to several clients who are also Chinese nationals.  Most have relatives who made it "home" before quarantines were put in place, and anticipated staying there beyond the Lunar Year, which ends in February.

I'll be certain to run all future posts past you to ensure they meet with your "posting standard" approval.

This post was composed without the aid of google.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: BillyB on March 06, 2020, 11:37:58 AM
The reality is that millions of Chinese had already travelled to their home villages to celebrate the Lunar Year before Chinese officials quarantined Wuhan and other cities.


That is true but the fact is the Chinese government already knew about this virus long before the quarantine and still allowed people to travel around the nation. They even wanted to bring 200,000 Wuhan citizens together the day they announced the outbreak to the world. This is from the Jan 25 article below"

The first case was reported Dec. 8. As the disease spread, Wuhan officials insisted that it was controlled and treatable. The police questioned eight people who posted on social media about the virus, saying they had spread “rumors.”

On Saturday, two days before Wuhan told the world about the severity of the outbreak, it hosted a potluck banquet attended by more than 40,000 families so the city could apply for a world record for most dishes served at an event. On the day it broke the news to the world, it also announced that it was distributing 200,000 free tickets to residents for festival activities during the Lunar New Year holiday, which begins this Saturday.


http://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/22/health/virus-corona.html

Today, 6593 South Koreans are infected by the virus. That makes one out of every 7807 South Koreans are infected with the virus. They were on top of it when it broke out in their nation, unlike the Chinese who dragged their feet by failing to educate people to stay home but instead encouraged people to go out for public events and suppressed warnings by doctors who didn't get permission from the government to speak. China's infection rate among it's people should be worse than South Korea and Italy's but it isn't because of massive under reporting. If China had the same infection rate among it's population as South Korea, with a population of 1.386 billion they should have 177,533 people infected right now but should be more if you factor in negligence, the virus started there and length of time the virus was allowed to spread.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: GQBlues on March 06, 2020, 11:47:51 AM
So I'm thinking if COVID-19 only kills the elderly with medical condition, what's taking these pathogens from heading directly to Washington DC? It can actually celebrate a 'Spring Break -like' parties in those chambers with all the useless geezers we pay screwing around with our Constitution.

Maybe this is Lady Justice's concoction trying to right what ails the beltway these days.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: BillyB on March 06, 2020, 12:00:30 PM

The virus is currently busy destroying Iran's government with 10% of the MPs infected and other officials including the VP infected

http://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/matthewchampion/coronavirus-iran-mps-covid-19
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: msmob on March 06, 2020, 12:31:10 PM
Why help Moby? He specifically said " celebrating New Year" not "celebrating prior to New Year." Chinese New Year preparations started Jan 17. New Year celebration begins Jan 25 and ends Feb 4

 

'Poor' ol' BillyB ..

I've just seen this post - and note he's already been put straight ..

Have the pleasure of dealing with several Chinese firms and none of those ppl have been infected ..




Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: Faux Pas on March 06, 2020, 12:32:12 PM
People typically start travelling before the "official" period of the Lunar Year, which started January 10. 

The CBC reported heavily on this issue, and did a lot of "man on the street" interviews in China, which is initially how I knew of this.  Since that time, I've spoken to several clients who are also Chinese nationals.  Most have relatives who made it "home" before quarantines were put in place, and anticipated staying there beyond the Lunar Year, which ends in February.

I'll be certain to run all future posts past you to ensure they meet with your "posting standard" approval.

This post was composed without the aid of google.

The CBC's man on the street and your several clients can speak for an entire Chinese province's New Year travel plans? :rolleyes:  Oh please excuse my speaking out of turn. I'll leave you to your valued sources.

Posting standard? You do seem to post with full conviction. I can't imagine you's need my approval
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: msmob on March 06, 2020, 12:53:56 PM
The riposte was not any more or less accurate than your statement here.



As someone who buys from China - on a monthly or bi-monthly basis - we are advised to place orders and expect them to be shipped a week to ten days before the official break ... as China winds down to a halt ... as many workers are allowed to travel across the nation ..   

http://www.morethanshipping.com/the-chinese-new-years-effects-on-the-shipping-industry/ (http://www.morethanshipping.com/the-chinese-new-years-effects-on-the-shipping-industry/)

Hmm, so much for your latest drive-by troll ..

You can't know especially at this point that when the Chinese travel to their home villages


YUP, 'We' can and do ...


and when the Chinese government quarantined Wuhan to any connection with the virus itself.


Wrong, once more .. Westerners actually live, work and/ or study there ... 23rd Jan..


Again at this point you can not say with any certainty that it was Chinese nationals that caused the rapid spread over the globe

You are on a roll of fails ..

http://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/situation-reports/20200121-sitrep-1-2019-ncov.pdf?sfvrsn=20a99c10_4 (http://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/situation-reports/20200121-sitrep-1-2019-ncov.pdf?sfvrsn=20a99c10_4)

Event highlights from 31 December 2019 to 20 January 2020:
• On 31 December 2019, the WHO China Country Office was informed of cases of pneumonia
unknown etiology (unknown cause) detected in Wuhan City, Hubei Province of China. From
31 December 2019 through 3 January 2020, a total of 44 case-patients with pneumonia of
unknown etiology were reported to WHO by the national authorities in China. During this
reported period, the causal agent was not identified.
• On 11 and 12 January 2020, WHO received further detailed information from the National
Health Commission China that the outbreak is associated with exposures in one seafood
market in Wuhan City.
• The Chinese authorities identified a new type of coronavirus, which was isolated on 7
January 2020.
• On 12 January 2020, China shared the genetic sequence of the novel coronavirus for
countries to use in developing specific diagnostic kits.
• On 13 January 2020, the Ministry of Public Health, Thailand reported the first imported case
of lab-confirmed novel coronavirus (2019-nCoV) from Wuhan, Hubei Province, China.
• On 15 January 2020, the Ministry of Health, Labour and Welfare, Japan (MHLW) reported an
imported case of laboratory-confirmed 2019-novel coronavirus (2019-nCoV) from Wuhan,
Hubei Province, China.
• On 20 January 2020, National IHR Focal Point (NFP) for Republic of Korea reported the first
case of novel coronavirus in the Republic of Korea.
Situation update:
• As of 20 January 2020, 282 confirmed cases of 2019-nCoV have been reported from four
countries including China (278 cases), Thailand (2 cases), Japan (1 case) and the Republic of
Korea (1 case);
• Cases in Thailand, Japan and Republic of Korea were exported from Wuhan City, China;
• Among the 278 cases confirmed in China, 258 cases were reported from Hubei Province, 14
from Guangdong Province, five from Beijing Municipality and one from Shanghai Municipality;



Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 06, 2020, 02:59:24 PM
From 'paper masks' to 'flight bans' Trench's 'thinking' demonstrates he hasn't THUNK.

Before this virus was identified the Chinese were all over the world celebrating New Year.

Italy banned flights from China...

Which Euro nation has it worst?


'Thank you'...

Because of the Coronavirus and the higher payments Italy is expected to pay to the EU as we leave it after the transition period Italy's economy is now predicted to go into recession:

http://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.france24.com/en/20200302-italy-faces-recession-as-coronavirus-hits-economy

Looks like post Brexit Britain will be snapping on the heels of Germany for top spot of strongest economic power in Europe, who would have thought that, hey Mobers :D
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 06, 2020, 03:02:33 PM
Looked in the shops again today, pretty much the same state with more panic buying keeping stocks of toilet roll low and hand was out in most stores, managed to find some in my local Sainsbury's supermarket that still had a reasonable few and some of the decent stuff. More panic buying likely to continue over the weekend I reckon.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: msmob on March 06, 2020, 03:12:15 PM
Because of the Coronavirus and the higher payments Italy is expected to pay to the EU as we leave it after the transition period Italy's economy is now predicted to go into recession:

http://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.france24.com/en/20200302-italy-faces-recession-as-coronavirus-hits-economy

Looks like post Brexit Britain will be snapping on the heels of Germany for top spot of strongest economic power in Europe, who would have thought that, hey Mobers :D

I note you're still a slave to google re your links :(

I note how 'well' UK PLC is doing ..

FlyBe bust  ( some blame apportioned to COVID-19! )

John Lewis going to close stores

Kingfisher ( B&Q / Screwfix - as you mentioned them ) in so much of a tailspin they're out of the FTSE 100 ...

Yup ... 'Trench' is as on the ball, as ever

PS the GBP was 1.15 v Euro ( down from your 'boastful - look at how 'Brexit' is wonderful in Feb ..)  of 1.23, this afo'  ..


 ( it was 1.40 pre the thought Brexit suicide might happen )

Spin on ...   'Project Fear' will be fact ....

Looked in the shops again today, pretty much the same state with more panic buying keeping stocks of toilet roll low and hand was out in most stores, managed to find some in my local Sainsbury's supermarket that still had a reasonable few and some of the decent stuff. More panic buying likely to continue over the weekend I reckon.

I expected your requirements for toilet roll may be higher ... 










Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: Faux Pas on March 06, 2020, 03:41:00 PM


As someone who buys from China - on a monthly or bi-monthly basis - we are advised to place orders and expect them to be shipped a week to ten days before the official break ... as China winds down to a halt ... as many workers are allowed to travel across the nation ..   

http://www.morethanshipping.com/the-chinese-new-years-effects-on-the-shipping-industry/ (http://www.morethanshipping.com/the-chinese-new-years-effects-on-the-shipping-industry/)

Hmm, so much for your latest drive-by troll ..


YUP, 'We' can and do ...



Wrong, once more .. Westerners actually live, work and/ or study there ... 23rd Jan..


You are on a roll of fails ..

http://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/situation-reports/20200121-sitrep-1-2019-ncov.pdf?sfvrsn=20a99c10_4 (http://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/situation-reports/20200121-sitrep-1-2019-ncov.pdf?sfvrsn=20a99c10_4)

Event highlights from 31 December 2019 to 20 January 2020:
• On 31 December 2019, the WHO China Country Office was informed of cases of pneumonia
unknown etiology (unknown cause) detected in Wuhan City, Hubei Province of China. From
31 December 2019 through 3 January 2020, a total of 44 case-patients with pneumonia of
unknown etiology were reported to WHO by the national authorities in China. During this
reported period, the causal agent was not identified.
• On 11 and 12 January 2020, WHO received further detailed information from the National
Health Commission China that the outbreak is associated with exposures in one seafood
market in Wuhan City.
• The Chinese authorities identified a new type of coronavirus, which was isolated on 7
January 2020.
• On 12 January 2020, China shared the genetic sequence of the novel coronavirus for
countries to use in developing specific diagnostic kits.
• On 13 January 2020, the Ministry of Public Health, Thailand reported the first imported case
of lab-confirmed novel coronavirus (2019-nCoV) from Wuhan, Hubei Province, China.
• On 15 January 2020, the Ministry of Health, Labour and Welfare, Japan (MHLW) reported an
imported case of laboratory-confirmed 2019-novel coronavirus (2019-nCoV) from Wuhan,
Hubei Province, China.
• On 20 January 2020, National IHR Focal Point (NFP) for Republic of Korea reported the first
case of novel coronavirus in the Republic of Korea.
Situation update:
• As of 20 January 2020, 282 confirmed cases of 2019-nCoV have been reported from four
countries including China (278 cases), Thailand (2 cases), Japan (1 case) and the Republic of
Korea (1 case);
• Cases in Thailand, Japan and Republic of Korea were exported from Wuhan City, China;
• Among the 278 cases confirmed in China, 258 cases were reported from Hubei Province, 14
from Guangdong Province, five from Beijing Municipality and one from Shanghai Municipality;


Moobs I've dealt with a lot of morons in my day but never a bigger one than you. You make false claims google and post shit that does not support those false claims and then peacock as if you've achieved something. You're too stupid to realize someone might actually read those lazy links. If you've done anything you've torpedoed your own claims. Your sources are almost as good as Boe's several clients. NOWHERE in your supplied link or in your time line is there a connection to the claim you made earlier or Boe attempted to support you on is valid. Admit it, you made it up.  You buy something from China 2 times a week?

 :ROFL:

Damn near everybody around the world is buying something from China 2 times a week. THERE IS NO CONNECTION TO THE VIRUS OR THE GLOBAL SPREAD OF THE VIRUS connected to the Chinese taking their New Years Holiday.

I am never astounded at the lengths you'll go to state a conclusion and then attempt to make something up to support it. Such a moron
 
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 06, 2020, 03:55:11 PM
Governments are not acting like this virus isn't more dangerous than the flu though.

You're quite right Billy they go on about it being similar to the flu but then they go quarantining people who have it, they talk of cancelling large public gatherings, perhaps even any gatherings then don't rule out quarantining whole towns, cities or areas. That is the UK government response and probably most of the west also. So something isn't quite adding up. If it was just people with pre-existing conditions they would just focus on them, no need to upset the whole economy & society.

Could be in for a long haul on this one.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: BillyB on March 06, 2020, 05:01:13 PM
Could be in for a long haul on this one.


Everything is getting longer. Right now a 7 day cruise lasts at least 30 days....if you survive that long. After the cruise ship disaster in Japan with over 700  infected including the ship's quarantine officer, I can imagine the regret the passengers off the coast of California feel for not cancelling. If this keeps up, it may be cheaper for cruise ship companies to shut down. Lawsuits aren't pretty.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/vp-pence-says-21-people-on-the-grand-princess-cruise-ship-off-california-coast-have-tested-positive-for-coronavirus/ar-BB10QVn0?ocid=spartanntp

China is faking their recovery citizens claim. The pretend everybody is at work leaving the lights on in buildings when that is not true.  Zhejiang, an province east of the epicenter city of Wuhan, claimed as of Feb. 24 it had restored 98.6 percent of its pre-coronavirus work capacity. Zhejiang is the province that reports 1147 recoveries and only one death a ratio less deadlier than influenza. If you believe the Chinese government, go ahead and visit for vacation or for business. Vacation packages are cheap now.

http://www.yahoo.com/news/chinas-coronavirus-recovery-fake-whistleblowers-191300391.html
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 06, 2020, 05:50:10 PM
Everything is getting longer. Right now a 7 day cruise lasts at least 30 days....if you survive that long.

China is faking their recovery citizens claim. The pretend everybody is at work leaving the lights on in buildings when that is not true.  Zhejiang, an province east of the epicenter city of Wuhan, claimed as of Feb. 24 it had restored 98.6 percent of its pre-coronavirus work capacity. Zhejiang is the province that reports 1147 recoveries and only one death a ratio less deadlier than influenza. If you believe the Chinese government, go ahead and visit for vacation or for business. Vacation packages are cheap now.

http://www.yahoo.com/news/chinas-coronavirus-recovery-fake-whistleblowers-191300391.html

Lol, so funny but true Billy :D

Just think of all those huge expensive luxury cruise ships laying around unused, that's going to hit those cruise companies hard and many may not survive. Doubt they thought that would ever happen. Some big losers in the business world are no doubt going to occur with some investors financially ruined by it I would imagine.

Anyway, Italy has some figures out:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-51777049

So approximately just over 4 percent of cases result in death, though Italy has a large elderly population so in other countries it could likely be a bit less, perhaps around 3 percent at a guess, probably mostly elderly with existing medical conditions.

Perhaps they are worried about this virus mutating into something far worse. The bird flu virus at the end of the first world war killed a lot of people but with that one it was the young, mostly under 30 with strong immune systems it hit hardest by turning their immune system against them.

We moved into the second phase of the virus according to the UK government the other day. I'm wondering if they are being fully honest with the general public in what we may be facing.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: BillyB on March 06, 2020, 06:08:01 PM

So approximately just over 4 percent of cases result in death,


Here's what the article said. "According to government data, 4.25% of confirmed coronavirus cases have died, the highest rate in the world."

Confirmed cases to dead is not mortality rate. Mortality rate is calculated after the confirmed cases finish their fight with the virus and then placed in the died or made a full recovery categories. Over 700 Italians have finished a battle with the virus. 197 died and 523 recovered for a mortality rate of over 27%  For the almost 4000 Italians currently infected and fighting for their lives, they will soon be placed in one of those two categories. If one person dies out of 4 holds, Italy will soon have over a thousand people dead...if they don't have any new infections to report. Italy's and South Korea's numbers look grim but they are realistic because of honest reporting by those nations.

http://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: krimster2 on March 06, 2020, 07:51:51 PM
we are now over 300 cases here in the USA, the disease is growing quickly, but is still in the linear growth phase, but most of the new cases are now derived from local unknown sources
I expect to see a lot of things disappear from store shelves by the end of next week...
we are also totally out of testing kits, and this is a catastrophe, the CDC said, the result of recent budgetary cuts

if this thing hits the exponential phase this flu season then we'll have 100,000 cases like China
China's first documented case was in December, late in the flu season
it's likely there were earlier undetected cases that built a reservoir of the disease
that took off when the temp was just right 36-51 DEGREE F.

look at your area, and check for when you have this temperature range
this temperature is the top range of the ideal temp for the virus to propagate
so if it gets even colder it will spread more....

so why hasn't this spread in Russia, you may ask, considering the length of the border and contact points in the far east
is there a reason, hmmmmm........
maybe there is.......





Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: BillyB on March 06, 2020, 08:24:01 PM
we are also totally out of testing kits, and this is a catastrophe, the CDC said, the result of recent budgetary cuts


Budgetary cuts and government are not to blame for being out of test kits. Test kits were ordered and made over a month ago but their was a manufacturing defect. Over a million test kits are being distributed this weekend and the manufacturing of them will continue. There's another test that can be done. Swab a suspect person's mouth and take a culture. Send it to a lab. If they don't recognize the virus, consider it COVID-19.

http://techcrunch.com/2020/03/06/trying-to-make-up-for-lost-time-the-cdc-will-distribute-1-1-million-covid-19-tests-this-weekend/
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: msmob on March 07, 2020, 03:58:19 AM
Moobs I've dealt with a lot of morons in my day but never a bigger one than you. You make false claims google and post shit that does not support those false claims and then peacock as if you've achieved something. You're too stupid to realize someone might actually read those lazy links. If you've done anything you've torpedoed your own claims. Your sources are almost as good as Boe's several clients. NOWHERE in your supplied link or in your time line is there a connection to the claim you made earlier or Boe attempted to support you on is valid. Admit it, you made it up.  You buy something from China 2 times a week?

 :ROFL:

Damn near everybody around the world is buying something from China 2 times a week. THERE IS NO CONNECTION TO THE VIRUS OR THE GLOBAL SPREAD OF THE VIRUS connected to the Chinese taking their New Years Holiday.

I am never astounded at the lengths you'll go to state a conclusion and then attempt to make something up to support it. Such a moron

So, just another drive by troll and no facts to support dissing any facts I posted...!

1/ Buying from.China directly...not via (say) Walmart

2/ I received lots of emails from suppliers deliniating their plans for the Chinese New Year, what I could expect would still operate or not...No need to 'Google'...I request quotes 2/ 4 times a week..Gosh, I even talk about how things are for them....

3/ My sources are govt bodies, the World Health Organisation and biz partners who are even better qualified to understand micro biology than I...


'Thank you'
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: Gator on March 07, 2020, 05:03:02 AM
we are also totally out of testing kits, and this is a catastrophe, the CDC said, the result of recent budgetary cuts


Not true as BillyB explained.

You are watching too much CNN.  CNN is purposefully creating anxiety for political reasons, citing any opportunity to purport Trump is not doing his job.     

Krimster - who should know that panic when facing a foe is your worst enemy.  As your anxiety builds, you will not do your job to protect your family, and will instead seek the Bill Clinton therapy from your female acquaintances.  ;D ;D


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if this thing hits the exponential phase this flu season then we'll have 100,000 cases like China

Wrong. if exponential, it will hit millions, not 100,000, and in weeks.  Confirm your exponent; do your calculations. 

Not to fear, the US and its citizens are taking steps to disrupt exponential growth.


Quote
China's first documented case was in December, late in the flu season
it's likely there were earlier undetected cases that built a reservoir of the disease
that took off when the temp was just right 36-51 DEGREE F.


China's first case was quite possibly October, and the sonofabitches kept it secret until the end of December.  Even so, the exponential (logarithmic) phase was short lived in China, based on their reported data.  I showed this earlier, so I surmise you are one of those who ignore scientific research and instead scream "We are going to die!"   This does not help your anxiety. 

Why did China's growth slow?  They interrupted the opportunity for social contact.  Also, people followed preventive measures.  You can choose to do the same. 

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look at your area, and check for when you have this temperature range [ed. 31-51]

Speculation.   Hopefully true, because Florida rarely goes below 51.  :)  Our Florida cases so far (six, including two deaths) correspond to traveling to Italy or China.  One case was diagnosed COVID-19 only after the patient died.  Makes one wonder about the "unknown," yet no reason to panic. 

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so why hasn't this spread in Russia...maybe there is.......

If a multiple choice question and not rhetorical, there are at least 5 plausible choices. 
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 07, 2020, 05:10:17 AM
Here's what the article said. "According to government data, 4.25% of confirmed coronavirus cases have died, the highest rate in the world."

Confirmed cases to dead is not mortality rate. Mortality rate is calculated after the confirmed cases finish their fight with the virus and then placed in the died or made a full recovery categories. Over 700 Italians have finished a battle with the virus. 197 died and 523 recovered for a mortality rate of over 27%  For the almost 4000 Italians currently infected and fighting for their lives, they will soon be placed in one of those two categories. If one person dies out of 4 holds, Italy will soon have over a thousand people dead...if they don't have any new infections to report. Italy's and South Korea's numbers look grim but they are realistic because of honest reporting by those nations.

http://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

You're right Billy, good work! That's a shockingly high mortality rate when you think about it, just over a quarter of all those that have fought the virus to the conclusion have died. I reckon the news services must have been told to avoid giving out the actual figures or at least were just misled themselves with the figures twisted with those still fighting the illness.

I know Italy has a high elderly population but I wonder if all of those 27 percent are elderly with underlying health problems? I somewhat can't help thinking that it surely can't be all elderly with underlying health problems. At around a quarter of people dying from it I can see why the Government are taking it so seriously here now.

Here we have only had 2 people die so far both elderly with underlying health problems. One I think wasn't recieving any medical treatment they just found out afterwards that he had died odd it. I think yesterday's total infected brought us to 167 cases, I can't find any figures for those that have survived it so far, with a two week battle and about roughly 30 saying they have been infected over previous day's each day I guess it can't be more than 30 ish if that, that have gone through it all. So maybe at least 10-20 percent there. Looking too early to tell on the figures as the recent rise is probably mostly only over this past week, in the next week or so if the figures pitch up to anywhere near a quarter of people dying I think that is when you will see people really panic in the UK and no doubt the US too.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: Faux Pas on March 07, 2020, 07:35:56 AM
So, just another drive by troll and no facts to support dissing any facts I posted...!

1/ Buying from.China directly...not via (say) Walmart

2/ I received lots of emails from suppliers deliniating their plans for the Chinese New Year, what I could expect would still operate or not...No need to 'Google'...I request quotes 2/ 4 times a week..Gosh, I even talk about how things are for them....

3/ My sources are govt bodies, the World Health Organisation and biz partners who are even better qualified to understand micro biology than I...


'Thank you'

Facts you posted? If you "could" or ever actually posted a fact I would have no need to diss it. The problem is, you haven't posted one. Your google search only supported something you did not state. That some Chinese folks in the shipping business take off a bit early to celebrate the New Year. That information has absolutely NOTHING to do with what you stated as fact but alas, was nothing more than another Moobs lie. Your need to win a disagreement on the internet and your use of false information in an attempt to do so but BAM, you Mr. Moobs are busted again. But don't let the truth get in the way of your lie
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: krimster2 on March 07, 2020, 08:19:20 AM
“Wrong. if exponential, it will hit millions, not 100,000, and in weeks.  Confirm your exponent; do your calculations. “

not calculations, just observations, something I'm actually quite good at
EVENTUALLY, if no vaccine is developed, or if some other variable doesn't slow it down it will hit this number, but it will probably take several years to do so
China went from first reported case to “shutdown mode” in about 8 weeks
it currently has 100,000+ infected and it's slowing down due to temp
but this is only the first season....

I expect this to restart “with a vengeance” at the beginning of flu season in October
it really likes a cooler temperature....
if it does get to the million mark, we’re talking a “Walking Dead” scenario

“You are watching too much CNN.  CNN is purposefully creating anxiety for political reasons,”

really? Donald Trump, is that important to you that the whole universe revolves around him does it?
I though only he felt that way...

journalists are trying to warn people....
you know, do their job

look at the current situation in Wuhan...
do you think people here should be warned, so they can prepare
or...
instead you tell them, they can go to work if they have the virus, the virus will disappear, it’s under control
that it’s all just a democratic hoax
these are the words “dear leader” has been promoting...
AND YOU...

you choose who you listen to, and so will I...
I’ll listen to the CDC director, before Trump fires her....

BTW, I am NOT panicking....
I have no fear of dying, I have massive scars all over me, from the many times death tried to snatch me, I know he’ll win in the end of course, but we’re old friends, he and I
we greet each other warmly whenever we cross paths, which of late has been rather frequent

also, when I play a game
I never play defense
I only play offense

Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: msmob on March 07, 2020, 09:13:52 AM
Facts you posted? If you "could" or ever actually posted a fact I would have no need to diss it. The problem is, you haven't posted one. Your google search only supported something you did not state. That some Chinese folks in the shipping business take off a bit early to celebrate the New Year. That information has absolutely NOTHING to do with what you stated as fact but alas, was nothing more than another Moobs lie. Your need to win a disagreement on the internet and your use of false information in an attempt to do so but BAM, you Mr. Moobs are busted again. But don't let the truth get in the way of your lie


'Busted' by a 'gentleman' who simply refused to engage in a reasoned discourse as to any flaw - other than some bizarre reason to shout 'LIAR' based on .... his 'feeliz'...?

Ri-ight ..

In the meantime..

You're right Billy, good work! That's a shockingly high mortality rate when you think about it, just over a quarter of all those that have fought the virus to the conclusion have died. I reckon the news services must have been told to avoid giving out the actual figures or at least were just misled themselves with the figures twisted with those still fighting the illness.

I know Italy has a high elderly population but I wonder if all of those 27 percent are elderly with underlying health problems? I somewhat can't help thinking that it surely can't be all elderly with underlying health problems. At around a quarter of people dying from it I can see why the Government are taking it so seriously here now.

Here we have only had 2 people die so far both elderly with underlying health problems. One I think wasn't recieving any medical treatment they just found out afterwards that he had died odd it. I think yesterday's total infected brought us to 167 cases, I can't find any figures for those that have survived it so far, with a two week battle and about roughly 30 saying they have been infected over previous day's each day I guess it can't be more than 30 ish if that, that have gone through it all. So maybe at least 10-20 percent there. Looking too early to tell on the figures as the recent rise is probably mostly only over this past week, in the next week or so if the figures pitch up to anywhere near a quarter of people dying I think that is when you will see people really panic in the UK and no doubt the US too.

So now we have Trench and BillyB as proponents of a risible 'mortality rate'..

These are the guys who suggested face masks are useful for the general public  :rolleyes:

Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 07, 2020, 09:30:40 AM

So now we have Trench and BillyB as proponents of a risible 'mortality rate'..

These are the guys who suggested face masks are useful for the general public  :rolleyes:

LOL, you make me laugh Mobers.

You must have missed reading today's report from Iran & Italy:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-51783242

I think that we can roughly guess the amount that are still fighting it and extrapolate, even at cautious estimates we are talking probably somewhere around 20 percent, from the figures we are getting back of deaths just in one day to me it is sounding a lot more!

We're probably 1-2 weeks behind Italy so in a week or two's time this will likely be the situation in the UK. Today in the UK cases passed 200 altogether, up at least 48 today, the most so far, so it is increasing.

I do indeed suggest that face masks for the general public are useful. If I was in a vulnerable category, other than being a man where it seems there is a higher mortality rate I would wear a full gas mask, might even consider going the whole Hazmat suit route. Anyway that cuts down the risk is useful but I won't be the one wearing a bra cup as I've already bought meself a nice rubber respirator mask that apparently cuts down the risk around 100 times than not wearing one, I have got a cheap pair of plastic Goggles also and will be careful not to touch my face too much once this thing goes viral here :)
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: msmob on March 07, 2020, 09:38:56 AM
LOL, you make me laugh Mobers.

You must have missed reading today's report from Iran & Italy:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-51783242

I think that we can roughly guess the amount that are still fighting it and extrapolate, even at cautious estimates we are talking probably somewhere around 20 percent, from the figures we are getting back of deaths just in one day to me it is sounding a lot more!

We're probably 1-2 weeks behind Italy so in a week or two's time this will likely be the situation in the UK. Today in the UK cases passed 200 altogether, up at least 48 today, the most so far, so it is increasing.

I do indeed suggest that face masks for the general public are useful. If I was in a vulnerable category, other than being a man where it seems there is a higher mortality rate I would wear a full gas mask, might even consider going the whole Hazmat suit route. Anyway that cuts down the risk is useful but I won't be the one wearing a bra cup as I've already bought meself a nice rubber respirator mask that apparently cuts down the risk around 100 times than not wearing one, I have got a cheap pair of plastic Goggles also and will be careful not to touch my face too much once this thing goes viral here :)

What can say, in the face of a STUPID response like this ?

1/ Where you so 'hot' at arithmetic at school?

2/  Trench, please tell us what you're going to do when the Carbon Dioxide levels in your respirator become too high ... Will you go to a 'clean room' to change ?  ...


Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: BillyB on March 07, 2020, 09:42:49 AM
You're right Billy, good work! That's a shockingly high mortality rate when you think about it, just over a quarter of all those that have fought the virus to the conclusion have died. I reckon the news services must have been told to avoid giving out the actual figures or at least were just misled themselves with the figures twisted with those still fighting the illness.


I'm not sure the media is told what to do but I think this time the governments and health organizations are manipulating the media. The way WHO presented data recently, the media automatically translated that to be 3.4% death rate when that is not true. Also governments and health organizations say there are many undetected cases out there so the death rate should be lower but they aren't telling us there are undetected death cases out there which deaths are incorrectly recorded as pneumonia or influenza which would make death rates go up. The best thing to do is go with the numbers we know.

Below are all 1st world nations with good health care systems, with a minimum of 150 infections reporting I trust. Numbers based off John Hopkins link below.

Country       Total Infections        Deaths        Total Recovered

South Korea         7041                       44                    135
Italy                    4636                      197                   532
Germany               686                         0                     17
France                   653                         9                     12
Japan                    420                          6                     46
Spain                     401                         5                     2
USA                       340                        14                    8
Switzerland            214                         1                      3
UK                         164                         2                     8

Total                    14,555                     278                  763

As you can see from this pool of 14,555 people, 1041 finished their fight and 278 died for a mortality rate of 26.7%. Imagine yourself as one of those 13K+ infected and life and death started to sink in. You won't be looking at the reported mortality rates. You will be looked at the death and recovery categories. For every three people who goes into the recovery category, one person goes into the death category. I don't know if those numbers will hold but those numbers are we are dealing with right now after throwing out the Chinese numbers which account for 80% of the weight when factoring mortality rates.

http://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: GQBlues on March 07, 2020, 09:51:29 AM


Country       Total Infections        Deaths        Total Recovered

South Korea         7041                       44                    135
Italy                    4636                      197                   532
Germany               686                         0                     17
France                   653                         9                     12
Japan                    420                          6                     46
Spain                     401                         5                     2
USA                       340                        14                    8
Switzerland            214                         1                      3
UK                         164                         2                     8

Total                    14,555                     278                  763

As you can see from this pool of 14,555 people, 1041 finished their fight and 278 died for a mortality rate of 26.7%. 

Would you like to try that again? The calculation is based on total infected, not retracted from a subset of the whole.

I still feel that if you, or anyone, feels you should exercise what makes you comfortable in handling any given situation, it should not be a cause for someone to criticize or demean you. Especially during times of many uncertainties surrounding a given situation. I would be resigned to believe there's something even more seriously wrong with that particular person than you.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: Faux Pas on March 07, 2020, 10:10:20 AM

'Busted' by a 'gentleman' who simply refused to engage in a reasoned discourse as to any flaw - other than some bizarre reason to shout 'LIAR' based on .... his 'feeliz'...?

Ri-ight ..



So  let's get this right, you want me to provide refuting evidence to a completely baseless claim you made? You are some kind of special stupid. You made the claim moron. The onus is on you to provide the supporting evidence. Rather than your covert calls to the Chinese secret police or Boe's clients, can you google anything that supports the corona virus and it's global spread is because Wong Fu went home for the holidays?

 :ROFL:

Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: msmob on March 07, 2020, 10:11:47 AM
Those with serious issues with manipulation of stats should indeed have sympathy ..

In the meantime,  Brits travelling to Moscow may be asked to self-isolate - or be forced to ...


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-us-canada-51781573

"Going to Moscow? You may need to self-isolate
If you're planning a trip to Russia - or more specifically, the country's capital - you should probably be aware of this, from our political correspondent Jonathan Blake:

The UK government is warning people travelling to Moscow that they may be asked to self-isolate for 14 days on arrival, due to the coronavirus outbreak.

Updated travel advice says there are reports in Russia, citing official sources, that the UK will be added to a list of countries which already includes China, South Korea, Italy, Iran, France, Germany and Spain - for which special measures apply.

The advice also states that passengers may be asked to sign a document agreeing to self-isolate. It says that in "a small number of cases" foreign visitors have been placed in enforced quarantine if they do not comply."


My little island of Cyprus has had demonstrations as some of the UN designated crossing points were closed ..

Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: msmob on March 07, 2020, 10:14:14 AM
So  let's get this right, you want me to provide refuting evidence to a completely baseless claim you made? You are some kind of special stupid. You made the claim moron. The onus is on you to provide the supporting evidence. Rather than your covert calls to the Chinese secret police or Boe's clients, can you google anything that supports the corona virus and it's global spread is because Wong Fu went home for the holidays?

 :ROFL:


Let's get it EXACTLY right ..

1/ you hadn't a clue about Chinese workers going off early for New Year

2/ You haven't provided ANY valid riposte re the validity of my sources: CDC, NHS WHO ...



Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: Boethius on March 07, 2020, 10:15:28 AM
The CBC's man on the street and your several clients can speak for an entire Chinese province's New Year travel plans? :rolleyes:  Oh please excuse my speaking out of turn. I'll leave you to your valued sources.

Look at how many travelled by the time of the quarantine. Five million people had left Wuhan to travel for the Lunar Year before China imposed a quarantine on the city. That's almost half the city's population.  People in the West don't really understand how "big" a deal the Lunar Year holiday is. 

You're right Billy, good work! That's a shockingly high mortality rate when you think about it, just over a quarter of all those that have fought the virus to the conclusion have died.

It's only shocking in its inaccuracy.  The highest mortality rate cited was by the director general of the World Health Organization (3.4%), but that figure was calculated by dividing the number of deaths by the number of officially confirmed cases.  The problem is, many people exhibit mild symptoms, and may not seek medical treatment.  Here's more information on fatality rates -

http://www.latimes.com/science/story/2020-03-07/why-the-coronavirus-fatality-rate-keeps-changing (http://www.latimes.com/science/story/2020-03-07/why-the-coronavirus-fatality-rate-keeps-changing)


http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30185-9/fulltext#tbl1 (http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30185-9/fulltext#tbl1)


I suspect the true mortality rate will not be able to be determined until the virus has run its course. 

Google was used to find the above links.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: krimster2 on March 07, 2020, 10:39:51 AM
“to feel confident, people have to believe the president is telling the truth and has their interests in mind”

Trump on keeping cruise passengers offshore: “I don’t need to have my virus numbers double because of one ship that wasn’t our fault” http://cnn.com

Trump is ONLY concerned about HIS numbers
why the f%ck did you people vote for him?
you just dug your own graves by doing so....

meanwhile if you already haven't bought gold and silver bullion coins for trading then you are SOL!!!
I have 1 oz and below gold and silver bartering bullion and coins
and bricks of 500 22LR cartridges for bartering
enough to completely live off of for at last a year
prices on these items are escalating quickly




Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: BillyB on March 07, 2020, 10:57:15 AM

The highest mortality rate cited was by the director general of the World Health Organization (3.4%),

Director General never said 3.4% is the mortality rate.

but that figure was calculated by dividing the number of deaths by the number of officially confirmed cases. 


That figure was calculated by journalists based of the Director Generals speech but the DR never said that was mortality rate. But it's good people still calculate low numbers so there is no panic.

I suspect the true mortality rate will not be able to be determined until the virus has run its course. 


100% TRUE!!! That may take years but we don't need years to begin understanding what is going on. The virus has run it's course in thousands of people already so we can predict the future and currently the mortality rate is high in reliable trustworthy 1st world nations that have good health care systems.

Would you like to try that again? The calculation is based on total infected, not retracted from a subset of the whole.


Don't need to try that again. Problem is people are taking the total infected and lumping them in the recovery category to calculate mortality which brings the rate WAY down. Here's what I wrote to someone else on another forum who is as stubborn as Moby.

Mortality rate, or death rate, is a measure of the number of deaths in a particular population, scaled to the size of that population, per unit of time.

Do you understand unit of time? People have to finish their battle with the virus before time is up. Imagine going around doing mortality rates for 2020 RIGHT NOW and asking people if they lived or died in 2020. They will call you stupid because time is not up. 2020 is not finished. But you conclude your study anyway and claim 2020 mortality rates are low. Later some of the people you have claimed to survive the year 2020 will die tomorrow, next week, next month or Dec 31, 2020 and the smart guy will wait till the year(unit of time) is up before calculation mortality rates. His rate will be higher than yours. This virus rate will continue to go up because others make the same mistake as you. First it was claimed the virus is no deadlier than the flu with death rate a .1%. Then it was claimed the death rate is 2%. Now it's claimed the death rate is 3.4% It will continue to go up because people didn't know what they were doing before and they don't know what they are doing now. For this virus, you must wait till the battle with the virus is over to calculate mortality rates. So use the people that have finished their battle to help predict mortality rates based on the death or recovered categories.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: Boethius on March 07, 2020, 11:03:01 AM
The WHO Director-General said:


Globally, about 3.4% of reported COVID-19 cases have died. 


That sounds like a measure of death to me.


http://www.sciencealert.com/covid-19-s-death-rate-is-higher-than-thought-but-it-should-drop (http://www.sciencealert.com/covid-19-s-death-rate-is-higher-than-thought-but-it-should-drop)


Google was used to retrieve the previously read link above.

Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: GQBlues on March 07, 2020, 11:06:37 AM
..Don't need to try that again. Problem is people are taking the total infected and lumping them in the recovery category to calculate mortality which brings the rate WAY down. Here's what I wrote to someone else on another forum who is as stubborn as Moby.

Mortality rate, or death rate, is a measure of the number of deaths in a particular population, scaled to the size of that population, per unit of time.

Do you understand unit of time? People have to finish their battle with the virus before time is up. Imagine going around doing mortality rates for 2020 RIGHT NOW and asking people if they lived or died in 2020. They will call you stupid because time is not up. 2020 is not finished. But you conclude your study anyway and claim 2020 mortality rates are low. Later some of the people you have claimed to survive the year 2020 will die tomorrow, next week, next month or Dec 31, 2020 and the smart guy will wait till the year(unit of time) is up before calculation mortality rates. His rate will be higher than yours. This virus rate will continue to go up because others make the same mistake as you. First it was claimed the virus is no deadlier than the flu with death rate a .1%. Then it was claimed the death rate is 2%. Now it's claimed the death rate is 3.4% It will continue to go up because people didn't know what they were doing before and they don't know what they are doing now. For this virus, you must wait till the battle with the virus is over to calculate mortality rates. So use the people that have finished their battle to help predict mortality rates based on the death or recovered categories.

:devil: Verbosity doesn't diminish reality.

Billy, if you don't know the actual *whole* number, either a population, or a fixed number of a whole (e.g. 100,000 or 10,000 or 1,000 etc), how can you extract or equate a representative given 'rate'? Then to make this even useless, you completely ignored a given sampled whole (infected) in your citation, extracted a subset (recovered vs died), then cited a death rate.

Anyway...no need to belabor this..
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: BillyB on March 07, 2020, 11:25:41 AM
The WHO Director-General said:


Globally, about 3.4% of reported COVID-19 cases have died. 


That sounds like a measure of death to me


Sounds like a measure of death to most people too but he never said it was the mortality rate. It is a rate though.  Cases include people who’d aren’t finish with their battle with the virus and those who are finished. Died are cases consists of those  who are finished with the battle. Problem is people are taking cases of those who aren’t finished with the battle and designating them into the recovery category to calculate death rate which brings the rate way down. When those people are finished with their battle many will end up in the dead category instead. Death rate willl continue to go up. Media reports was wrong before. They are still wrong
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: Boethius on March 07, 2020, 11:35:58 AM
It was a mortality rate, based not on the general population, but of those who contract the virus.


This post was composed without the aid of google.



Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: krimster2 on March 07, 2020, 11:57:00 AM
instead of one variable, the transmission rate of the virus...
I see 100 sub-variables, and from within each sub-variable 100 new ones...
together this multi-dimensional array, forms an interconnected network
where the "weight" of each individual variable controls some amount of the final output
which is the rate of infection for the population...

if you look at the graph of the rate of infection for China in December
and then look at the current rate in the USA you will see where their curves correlate
and just based on that, guess where we’re gonna be in 3-4 months...
but now one variable is temperature...
plot the rate of growth in infection vrs monthly temperature in wuhan
now, look at the monthly temperature in your area
when your temperature hits the December Wuhan temps and below, then you are all gonna be toast...
but until then the virus will remain in the linear phase...it grew only 20% in the last 24 hours!
but as soon as those temps are reached
it’s gonna go exponential
and that’s when you find out how hollow and worn out our society is
when every single crack in our society, from health care to gun control to banking and investment regulation
starts growing to an infinite size and breaks the foundation of civilization wide open
and the whole thing comes crashing down into ruins

and this is probably all gonna start coming true in 2 to 3 years...

how many of the geezers reading this post, will be alive 5 years from now?
hey...
I hear something...
I think it's a bell ringing far away,,,,
are you wondering why it's ringing?
not me man!
definitely not me!

 

Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: GQBlues on March 07, 2020, 12:12:06 PM
Sounds like a measure of death to most people too but he never said it was the mortality rate. It is a rate though.  Cases include people who’d aren’t finish with their battle with the virus and those who are finished. Died are cases consists of those  who are finished with the battle. Problem is people are taking cases of those who aren’t finished with the battle and designating them into the recovery category to calculate death rate which brings the rate way down. When those people are finished with their battle many will end up in the dead category instead. Death rate willl continue to go up. Media reports was wrong before. They are still wrong

That's really not a 'problem' per se. It's what is reality is so far.

Example: 100 people dove into the lake to try and swim across it. 'So far' 20 folks made it across, 10 drowned and died. The death rate for diving into this lake and trying to swim across is therefore (using your math) 33.33%. You don't really believe this is a true representative of a given whole, do you? There are 70 more folks trying to swim across. Wouldn't it be 'more' prudent to report a 10% death rate 'to date'?

Hell, you may well be right that by the time this is all over, 26.7% may actually be the right number. We don't know. This is why trying to report 'death rates at this stage is faulty for the simple reason it changes, and is at the present time, 'inconclusive'.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 07, 2020, 12:25:01 PM
It was a mortality rate, based not on the general population, but of those who contract the virus.


This post was composed without the aid of google.

It's a deceptive twisting of statistics to try and publicise a different picture than to what there actually is. People should be told the actually Mortality rate of those that have been through it not given PR bullsh*t to try and be clever and dupe them. I thought we had gotten past all of that goings on in the Tony Blair era but no here we are in 2020 with people in high places telling setting out to deceive people with bare faced lies so they can get off on feeling good that they have hoodwinked others. Is it really such a difficulty for some people to just be straight with others instead of being untrustfull toads where everyone is better of not trusting or listening to a word that comes out of their mouth.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: msmob on March 07, 2020, 12:50:23 PM
Trench,

The people ARE being told... it's just those who cannot understand fall over themselves to confirm their daftness
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: BillyB on March 07, 2020, 12:57:49 PM
It was a mortality rate, based not on the general population, but of those who contract the virus.


Mortality rate can't be determined until time is up for those who are still infected. They may recover or die but until that happens, it's a mistake to include those currently infected into the recover or dead categories. I understand the twisting of numbers to give the impression that mortality rates are low so not to create panic. Since these virus threads started, I've been saying they're low and as more numbers are reported and those infected get thrown into the dead or recovered categories, you will see they aren't able to twist the numbers as much. Months ago they said death rate was .1%, then 2% and now 3.4%. It's going to keep going up.


Example: 100 people dove into the lake to try and swim across it. 'So far' 20 folks made it across, 10 drowned and died. The death rate for diving into this lake and trying to swim across is therefore (using your math) 33.33%. You don't really believe this is a true representative of a given whole, do you? There are 70 more folks trying to swim across. Wouldn't it be 'more' prudent to report a 10% death rate 'to date'?


Ideally, true mortality rate can't be calculated until ALL 100 swimmers FINISH their attempt to cross the lake. With 20 making it across and 10 drowned, that means 70 swimmers fate has yet to be determined. Although we should wait for all 100 swimmers to finish, we do have idea what the current going rate is and that is 20 swimmers survived the swim and 10 did not. It is wrong to say the current death rate is 10% because then you'd have to assume ALL 70 remaining swimmers will survive for that 10% to stand. Most likely when all swimmers are done, the mortality rate will be closer to 33.33% than 10%.

15 minutes ago my wife got a text her college is shut down and she'll have to do classes online until further update.

Italy updated their numbers. This morning the numbers were

4636  Infected      197   died    532 recovered  equals a 27% mortality rate

Todays numbers are

5883 Infected        233 died      589 recovered equals a 28.3% mortality rate

Italy's mortality rate has gone up with 36 new deaths and 57 recoveries. Italy has quarantined cities and closed schools. Parts of Italy are becoming a European Wuhan. Wish our two Italian members would report what they're experiencing.




Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 07, 2020, 01:08:02 PM
What can say, in the face of a STUPID response like this ?

1/ Where you so 'hot' at arithmetic at school?

2/  Trench, please tell us what you're going to do when the Carbon Dioxide levels in your respirator become too high ... Will you go to a 'clean room' to change ?  ...

Mobe, my respirator mask has good filtered air inlets and a dedicated air outlet, so you don't need to worry yourself I will be fine :D

I will of course take it off when I am at home and in bed at night :)
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 07, 2020, 01:09:28 PM
Trench,

The people ARE being told... it's just those who cannot understand fall over themselves to confirm their daftness

They are not being told directly they are being told bulls*t numbers that are just gibberish, they are being told untruths by the WHO.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: BillyB on March 07, 2020, 02:09:52 PM
They are not being told directly they are being told bulls*t numbers that are just gibberish, they are being told untruths by the WHO.

Trench, this is one case where government and WHO twisting and manipulating how they calculate mortality rate to achieve low numbers is a good thing. China did it out of pride and to save their economy. Our government and WHO are doing it to save lives by not creating panic which causes deaths and to save our economies. It's okay if a few people know the truth and act accordingly without panic. The current mortality rate is horrible and if humanity doesn't stop this virus and ALL people get it once or multiple times in our lives, we'll have a serious population reduction and our lives and behavior will be altered for as long as this virus exists.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: BillyB on March 07, 2020, 02:45:23 PM

It's official. My wife's college is shut down the rest of the quarter and she will not have to do any classes online since it isn't practical for what she's studying.

Italy is taking radical steps and is locking down Lombardy, a region of over 10,000,000 people. Army mobilized to enforce lockdown. Those people are on their own now but at least it's less likely to spread to other parts of Italy or around the world. Sacrifice a few for the good of many.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/italy-plans-large-scale-lockdown-in-countrys-north-to-fight-coronavirus/ar-BB10SVjj?ocid=spartanntp

In other news American women have found a new way achieve leverage on their husbands. Making false DV claims is out. The new thing is for wives to threaten their husbands they'll call 911 and report them as having COVID-19 so they get locked up for 30 days.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: krimster2 on March 07, 2020, 03:12:54 PM
billy boy,

pull out all the "stops" now, start getting ready, your area may be "shutdown" by the end of this month...
this is like an out of control fire that people are underestimating...
and then it burns everything down



Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 07, 2020, 03:42:22 PM
What are the odds that someone will name their newborn 'Covid' this year, lol.

There's probably a council estate out there somewhere that will.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: LAman on March 07, 2020, 04:12:58 PM
Those with serious issues with manipulation of stats should indeed have sympathy ..

In the meantime,  Brits travelling to Moscow may be asked to self-isolate - or be forced to ...


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-us-canada-51781573

"Going to Moscow? You may need to self-isolate
If you're planning a trip to Russia - or more specifically, the country's capital - you should probably be aware of this, from our political correspondent Jonathan Blake:

The UK government is warning people travelling to Moscow that they may be asked to self-isolate for 14 days on arrival, due to the coronavirus outbreak.

Updated travel advice says there are reports in Russia, citing official sources, that the UK will be added to a list of countries which already includes China, South Korea, Italy, Iran, France, Germany and Spain - for which special measures apply.

The advice also states that passengers may be asked to sign a document agreeing to self-isolate. It says that in "a small number of cases" foreign visitors have been placed in enforced quarantine if they do not comply."


My little island of Cyprus has had demonstrations as some of the UN designated crossing points were closed ..

Old news already!!! May be asked to self isolate???
This from Moscow times yesterday....

"— The 14 day self-isolation regime for people returning to Moscow from some of the worst-affected countries was extended. People entering the capital from China, South Korea, Iran, Italy, France, Germany, Spain, Switzerland, U.K, Norway and the U.S are required to stay inside for two weeks"

Quarantine is NOT a choice.
I probably will end up cancelling my trip to Russia in May
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: LAman on March 07, 2020, 04:25:21 PM
Old news already!!! May be asked to self isolate???
This from Moscow times yesterday....

"— The 14 day self-isolation regime for people returning to Moscow from some of the worst-affected countries was extended. People entering the capital from China, South Korea, Iran, Italy, France, Germany, Spain, Switzerland, U.K, Norway and the U.S are required to stay inside for two weeks"

Quarantine is NOT a choice.
I probably will end up cancelling my trip to Russia in May

Sorry, forgot to add the link in Moscow Times.
http://www.themoscowtimes.com/2020/03/07/coronavirus-in-russia-the-latest-news-march-6-a69117

Another interesting link.
http://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: BillyB on March 07, 2020, 04:52:53 PM
this is like an out of control fire that people are underestimating...


It's okay if people are underestimating as long as governments don't underestimate. People can continue to believe there's nothing to worry about, nothing to see here. Keep working.

your area may be "shutdown" by the end of this month...


In a matter of weeks Italy and South Korea went from a few infections and deaths to out of control. King County, WA has the symptoms for an explosion like they had but I'm ready for it. I've got cash. I'll approach a couple of soldiers, tell them I'm virus free, and try to bribe my way out so I can come live with you. But when one soldier yells out "It's freezing weather and a drop of sweat just fell from his face! He's got the zombie virus!!!" the other soldier with an itchy trigger finger blows my head off and I fall to the ground. As I raise my hand to signal for help, the soldier empties his clip of remaining 29 rounds into my raised hand and body. As I raise my other hand to signal for help, the rest of the platoon empties their clips into my body. My legs get up and run back home. I get on the computer and report to you guys they are not messing around with the quarantining of people, even the virus free kind like me.

In other news Hotel COVID-19 collapses.  43 out of 70 people have been rescued and local officials report no deaths unless Beijing gives them permission to do so.

http://www.yahoo.com/news/hotel-collapse-traps-70-eastern-china-154017056.html

My local government just bought a really cheap hotel to house the infected. It's the kind of dumpy hotel the local hookers take clients to.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 07, 2020, 05:23:23 PM
I probably will end up cancelling my trip to Russia in May

One issue with going abroad may become that you go abroad but then can't get back, either the airline goes bust and/or they stop all flights back, etc.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: Gator on March 07, 2020, 05:26:17 PM

Trump is ONLY concerned about HIS numbers
why the f%ck did you people vote for him?
you just dug your own graves by doing so....


While the world is supporting its health professionals to treat the infected and to prepare for many more, you and other Democrats are attempting to twist the story to make it political. 

The only US government fault I see is the limited  testing done so far (now being corrected).  Trump made some good decisions such as banning a month ago the entry of non-US citizens who had traveled in China.  The last thing we need is a President full of fear. 
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: Gator on March 07, 2020, 05:30:47 PM


this is like an out of control fire that people are underestimating...
and then it burns everything down

My Gawd!  The hysteria.

I am good friends with two MDs who are heads of ER operations for two hospitals, one a large government healthcare center.   One remarked that the hysterics over COVID-19 are greater today than in his early years when addressing the AIDS epidemic.   Every AIDS case was deemed fatal.  The role of HIV was not known.  Transmission was not understood.  And over 700,000 persons died in the US from AIDS.  And today people like krimster are freaking out.


What are my two ER friends doing?  They are totally emerged into preparing for the diagnosis and treatment of possibly much larger number of future patients.  Are they exhibiting concern?  No.  The number of deaths from COVID-19 will grow, yet in the end more of us will have died from the flu.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: krimster2 on March 07, 2020, 05:45:08 PM
i'm not selling fear...
i'm selling reality...
if you're not in the market for reality
then enjoy your denial...
it goes well with a little butter

a month from now, you'll see
if you have fear or no fear like me, it doesn't matter, the virus doesn't care...
I'm NOT AFRAID, hell I might even like the apocalypse before it kills me

Trump has done so much wrong about this, I'd spend an hour describing it...
he did too little, too late, and too wrong....

hillary's emails won't matter
Biden's son's emails won't matter either
meuller report won't matter
impeachment won't matter

for the simple reason that the world doesn't actually revolve around your great leader
but around a completely different axis
and it's very rapidly spinning out of control

all fingers for what the CDC has called "it's own catastrophe" point to some individual in particular
the one we call "dear Leader"....
who did to the CDC what he's done to every other part of the federal government....
made it less effective....
now YOU pay the price

you made your bed when you voted for him
now dear Trump voters, please go and go lay down in it and fall to sleep...
sleep.....yes...a deep sleep...
and perchance to dream....
and watch it slowly fade away....
for all eternity
s'long y'all!!
buh by!!!
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: msmob on March 08, 2020, 04:41:49 AM
  Trump made some good decisions such as banning a month ago the entry of non-US citizens who had traveled in China.  The last thing we need is a President full of fear.

Very 'wise'...The virus 'realises' it dare not infect an American?..
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 08, 2020, 05:27:26 AM
Looking on Google last night and came across an article, it was based on Chinese stats so can't be entirely trusted but they do at least admit that some have died out there that were not elderly. The risk did tend to rise withage and of course most deaths were among the elderly but even some people int the 0-30 age group had died, though of course very few as well as people in their 40s, 50, & 60s, etc. Tending to go up proportionately to age. Again as the figures are from China we can't really look to then for anything more than then telling us it is possible. China would be too unreliable to rely on them telling us how much the younger people may get it and die of it.

Italy is likey to be the first source of this although they have (had) a large elderly population so the figures might be about skewed compared to other countries. Germany is likely to be the next country where such data may be obtained from.

In Italy, 50 people died in one day yesterday! Which is pretty shocking in just one day showing how bad it can be and they are unlikely at the top of it as yet.

In today's reporting they tell us Italy's health service is on the brink of collapse being unable to cope with all the cases and lacking facilities. Lombardy region is now under complete lockdown, nobody allowed out or in, so it's getting pretty dire out there already for those trapped inside.

Here I'm guessing London is likely to be the first region that will go into lockdown as it has had the most cases so far and it's density of population mean it is likely the greatest risk, other large cities will likely  follow.

I am lucky as although I am not living in a cave in the mountains, I do live in areas where there is a smaller population outside of city areas. Whether they will get to lockdown status I don't know. I'm guessing once it has eventually spread to most of the population there will be little point in lockdowns and only the country as a whole will be until of course it has spread fully enough worldwide.

That's likely a way off yet so I'm glad I'm living in areas that will likely avoid the lockdowns in the main. Maybe by house might go up a lot in value as a result and property prices in London crash a lot :D

At times like this the best housing is probably right out in the sticks with a lot of space away from anyone, like remote cottages or on farms, etc.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: msmob on March 08, 2020, 06:36:17 AM
Trench you live in up a ( formerly) semi-industrialised Welsh valley .. the first hot spots closed off in N.Italy were smaller communities ..  Still with all that toilet roll and hand sanitiser at home - and no visitors ...you'll be 'busier' on here..

Most people would realise that the democracy with the highest numbers  ( hence data even you and Billy can 'trust' ) is S.Korea

If there's an 'apocalypse' and less people still living ... WHY do you thing house prices would rise ... ?


As ever, no sign of  joined-up cognitive  activity ...

Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: krimster2 on March 08, 2020, 07:11:32 AM
everything but gold will crash through the floor by the end of the year....
whattabout  shorting the airlines?
my broker feels uneasy about doing stuff like this, he's what they call "ethical"
which is why I make the decisions sometimes...
I don't have this handicap, or even understand what it means...
massive market shorts it is!
this'll be great, assuming the counter party will still be there to pay off my bet at the end of the year


Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 08, 2020, 08:38:03 AM
Trench you live in up a ( formerly) semi-industrialised Welsh valley .. the first hot spots closed off in N.Italy were smaller communities ..  Still with all that toilet roll and hand sanitiser at home - and no visitors ...you'll be 'busier' on here..

Most people would realise that the democracy with the highest numbers  ( hence data even you and Billy can 'trust' ) is S.Korea

If there's an 'apocalypse' and less people still living ... WHY do you thing house prices would rise ... ?


As ever, no sign of  joined-up cognitive  activity ...

All depends on how far it reaches before a vaccine is freely available, early estimates was a year to the vaccine though they seem to be hurting it as much as they can. Milan is the epicenter of Italy's Coronavirus, the rest got quarentined as it is in the same region.

Mobe you were wrong on Brexit and you will be wrong on this one ;)

Prepare now Mobers so you aren't caught out. The smart money is on the smart people, unfortunately that doesn't include you.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: krimster2 on March 08, 2020, 08:56:34 AM
if the virus doesn’t start slowing down in the USA
then by the end of this month, we will be where Italy is now....

Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: msmob on March 08, 2020, 08:59:06 AM


Mobe you were wrong on Brexit and you will be wrong on this one ;)

1/ I WASN'T wrong on 'Brexit' - it's THE most stupid thing this country has done ... Project fear is becoming fact ...

2/ My missus' has managed to live in Thailand amongst Chinese tourists and I've flown to Georgia on a code share flight with loads of folk from n.Italy ... 



Prepare now Mobers so you aren't caught out. The smart money is on the smart people, unfortunately that doesn't include you.

'Smart people' don't post tosh about relationships and misogynistic viewpoints on women when they're never in one for long enough enough to post with a clue .. :popcorn:

I've noticed that ordering on-line for groceries ... the wait time was 1 day - it's nearly three, now,  in my area .... I guess folks are too frightened to go to the shops...    :rolleyes:






Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: GenMish on March 08, 2020, 09:02:18 AM
Old news already!!! May be asked to self isolate???
This from Moscow times yesterday....

"— The 14 day self-isolation regime for people returning to Moscow from some of the worst-affected countries was extended. People entering the capital from China, South Korea, Iran, Italy, France, Germany, Spain, Switzerland, U.K, Norway and the U.S are required to stay inside for two weeks"

Quarantine is NOT a choice.
I probably will end up cancelling my trip to Russia in May


I just flew home from Bali via Incheon (SK). Upon landing in Atlanta, I was expecting the CDC to do health screenings and suggest self isolation. Nope, CDC not in sight, and the customs people couldn't wait to wave us through quickly. And there were some Koreans on my flight coughing pretty hard, but they didn't have a temp, as our temps were taken before boarding.

I don't think anyone can really predict where this is going. Will it die out as the weather warms up like other flu epidemics? or will it be like the Spanish Flu that didn't take off till August-October when it mutated and started killing off people in their 20s-50s

I think the notable event of the week was Russia unable to make an agreement with the Sauds, and Saudi Arabia is going to flood the market with cheap oil
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: krimster2 on March 08, 2020, 09:24:09 AM
"Incheon"????

Fred: I knew a guy wounded in the Incheon landing
Bob: Did he have scar?
Fred: No, he didn't smoke

I freakin love Incheon jokes!!!

but from what you're saying, we probably are still getting a lot of foreign travelers from infected zones
bringing the virus into the USA
but...
we don't have a single testing kit to find out
and it would just cost too much to check or quarantine people...
but never mind...
hey have you seen Hunter Biden's emails yet?
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: BillyB on March 08, 2020, 10:44:59 AM
Below are all 1st world nations with good health care systems, with a minimum of 150 infections reporting I trust. Numbers based off John Hopkins link below.

Country       Total Infections        Deaths        Total Recovered

South Korea         7041                       44                    135
Italy                    4636                      197                   532
Germany               686                         0                     17
France                   653                         9                     12
Japan                    420                          6                     46
Spain                     401                         5                     2
USA                       340                        14                    8
Switzerland            214                         1                      3
UK                         164                         2                     8

Total                    14,555                     278                  763

As you can see from this pool of 14,555 people, 1041 finished their fight and 278 died for a mortality rate of 26.7%. Imagine yourself as one of those 13K+ infected and life and death started to sink in. You won't be looking at the reported mortality rates. You will be looked at the death and recovery categories. For every three people who goes into the recovery category, one person goes into the death category. I don't know if those numbers will hold but those numbers are we are dealing with right now after throwing out the Chinese numbers which account for 80% of the weight when factoring mortality rates.

http://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

I did this exercise yesterday and I'll do it today to see what difference a day makes. I won't do it everyday but anybody can go to the John Hopkins to see the daily changes. A couple of things I notice is Germany doesn't like to report the death and recovery rates. Maybe they're slow and will report later. Also, deaths in South Korea went up and recoveries went down. They may have decided previous recoveries were recoveries from another illness, not the coronavirus. Here are the new tallies for 1st world nations with over 150 confirmed infections that I think are trustworthy, have high quality health care systems.


Country       Total Infections        Deaths        Total Recovered

South Korea         7314                       50                    118
Italy                    5883                      233                    589
Germany              1018                         0                     18
France                   949                         11                    12
Japan                    502                          6                     76
Spain                     613                         17                    30
USA                       466                        19                     8
Switzerland            332                         2                      3
UK                         273                         2                      18
Netherlands            265                         3                      0
Sweden                  203                         0                      0
Belgium                  169                         0                      1
Norway                   157                         0                      0

Total                    18,144                     343                  903

Yesterdays numbers were 14,555 people infected, 1041 finished their fight and 278 died for a mortality rate of 26.7%.

Todays numbers are 18,144 infected, 1246 finished their fight with the virus and 343 died for a mortality rate of 27.5%. The mortality rate went up because there was 55 dead to 140 recoveries reported for the day. Poor odds for the tens of thousands who are currently infected and will someday be placed in one of those two categories.

The good news is official reports will keep numbers low so we don't panic. They will use Chinese reports which account for 80% of the weight into the equation which brings mortality rate down. They will factor in all those infected(still swimming for their life) into the recovery category to bring mortality rates down but we know the truth is many of those infected who are not finished with the battle with the virus will be thrown into the dead category eventually. As more numbers come in, they won't be able to manipulate the death rate easily, especially if someday the pool of infected becomes smaller and the dead and recovery pool becomes bigger. Evidence of that is the early reports of a .1% mortality rate became 2% and now 3.4% is the lastest being claimed. As more reports come in, it'll be harder for them to manipulate and mortality rates will go up but you'll never get the truth. If you want the truth, stick to the numbers reliable nations are reporting. Figure nations with poor health care systems having higher rates of death which we are not seeing right now and will probably never see.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: krimster2 on March 08, 2020, 10:54:52 AM
William

the only numbers that matter for you are the USA infections
and your state infections
keep track of those two daily...

the most important number from these two locations, is the rate of increase
also check long term weather reports
the top of the virus's favorite temp is in the 50s F,
you're gonna have those temps there for the next few months
so it's gonna expand, between now and then
you HOPE it will slow down when the weather is warmer

if it doesn't then the USA will be where Italy is now in about 4 to 6 weeks
and things are gonna start to get serious
and there will be zoned quarantined areas
and the first level of public closures like schools, universities, etc

but careful, dear leader does NOT want you to panic
and up voting for Joe Biden, just because Biden set up the biggest government backed public health response to a virus EVER, still much bigger than Trump's
back in 2014 when there were less than a handful of ebola cases in the USA, and he setup a special task force in the executive branch for dealing with this
and Biden left this organization in place for Trump, who immediately shut it down
and did everything wrong at every turn

oh, and what about Hillary's emails now, you poor infected MFers
this is your cool-aid
don't worry...
this one drinks you...







Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 08, 2020, 11:09:29 AM
1/ I WASN'T wrong on 'Brexit' - it's THE most stupid thing this country has done ... Project fear is becoming fact ...

2/ My missus' has managed to live in Thailand amongst Chinese tourists and I've flown to Georgia on a code share flight with loads of folk from n.Italy ... 


'Smart people' don't post tosh about relationships and misogynistic viewpoints on women when they're never in one for long enough enough to post with a clue .. :popcorn:

I've noticed that ordering on-line for groceries ... the wait time was 1 day - it's nearly three, now,  in my area .... I guess folks are too frightened to go to the shops...    :rolleyes:

Rather you & SC than me to be jetting of to those parts, the risk you are both taking is pretty high.

Though I do think it is kind of funny when I say that you might get stuck out there and the next thing we no you are no longer in Cyprus but in the UK, lol. Still some affection for your old British passport in times of crisis hey Mobe :D


I also said that this virus may change the way we shop and it looks like some of the worried well have started already.

Tesco has just announced it will ration certain items to five per customer:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-51790375

A bit silly as could just go to another store afterwards.

Though could end up with rationing being brought in for the whole country by the government, hooray! No fat girls :cheesy:

They will be in a world of pain if that happens!
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: BillyB on March 08, 2020, 11:58:09 AM
Italy has now reported a huge jump in numbers. They have 366 deaths to 622 recoveries. South Korea has 50 deaths to 118 recoveries. Those two trustworthy nations with large sample pools combine for 416 deaths to 740 recoveries which equal 36% mortality rate. For every 2 recoveries recorded, another person is recorded dead. I don't like the reports from those nations but it is what it is.

http://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

Nations, including allies, are getting angry at each other. Finger pointing is starting to happen. If any of you are thinking of coming to my house to steal my Top Ramen noodles and canned chili, I've got guns.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/governments-point-fingers-over-coronavirus-as-death-toll-mounts/ar-BB10QVhB?ocid=spartanntp
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: krimster2 on March 08, 2020, 12:12:12 PM
a month from there will no longer be people in denial in the USA, but now there are...

imagine what will happen to the hospital ERs this winter...
now imagine you break your arm or have a heart attack or a car accident during this period...

in the USA, watch store shelves start to empty this week...


Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 08, 2020, 12:21:54 PM
Wow Billy, that means a Mortality rate of about a third in Italy and around a half in South Korea. That looks to me like it's hitting far more people than originally thought.

Still of course we are talking hundreds in a population of millions but the more time this goes on the more people it will effect.

I'm guessing here is the UK we probably aren't more than a month behind Italy, similar in the US I'm guessing, yet more land and population so depending on where someone lives out there the risk may vary.

Up to the highest daily cases in the UK so far today. It's not looking good as cases are going up daily:

http://www.google.com/amp/s/www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/uk-coronavirus-live-covid19-cases-death-toll-a4381406.html%3famp
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: Boethius on March 08, 2020, 12:46:20 PM
As of today, there are 7,313 cases of coronavirus reported in Korea (7.133 active), and 50 deaths.  So not even close to half.

In Italy, there are 7,375 reported cases (6,387 active), and 366 deaths.

I was speaking to an infectious disease expert yesterday at a function.  He told me all hospital physicians have been fitted with special masks.  Their masks are airtight, and part of the testing of the masks is to place a liquid on them.  The liquid, even its scent, should not penetrate the mask.  He told me the masks sold to the general public are useless, and people shouldn't waste their money buying them.

This post was composed without the aid of google.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: krimster2 on March 08, 2020, 01:27:10 PM
sheeeet...
my Russian partner just bought an 18 wheeler truckload
of OTC home respiratory care products, Alleve, Nyquil, etc...
even asthma medications....
they’ll be on the way to our warehouse in a few days

he got em in Russia at a bargain price...
won’t even be able to buy them AT ANY price after next week in the USA...
or in Russia later this year...

we’ll wait until November to start sellin online with “only” a 1000% markup
ka ching baby!!
make it rain kapusta down here!

m'am for the low price of only $100 I can sell you some hope for your sick little girl...
but ya gotta act fast, before we completely run out of hope as well as medicine...
ok, m'am?
y'know what?
for $100 more, I'll throw in a digital thermometer. and 20 extra paracetamol tablets..
whadda ya say m'am...
great!



Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: BillyB on March 08, 2020, 01:40:59 PM
imagine what will happen to the hospital ERs this winter...
now imagine you break your arm or have a heart attack or a car accident during this period...


Seattle's VA hospital called with a recorded message with info on where their coronavirus designated area will be located. I'm sure all hospitals in America are preparing and will have designated areas to test for the virus and quarantine people. Of course those with physical injuries will still be afraid to visit a hospital.

I understand you want to blame things on Trump but Trump is doing his job to not create panic with the truth. The media who is criticizing Trump for lying are also lying unknowingly putting out low numbers themselves. Media's numbers are higher than Trump's estimates but way lower than the truth. They don't truly understand how bad this virus is.

As of today, there are 7,313 cases of coronavirus reported in Korea (7.133 active), and 50 deaths.  So not even close to half.

In Italy, there are 7,375 reported cases (6,387 active), and 366 deaths.


Those are not mortality rates. The infected will someday be moved to the death or recovered categories. The death to recovered categories ratio are the categories to calculate mortality rate. Not everybody who is infected is done with their battle to tally final mortality rate but we have enough people who are finished with the battle to create a big enough sample size to see where this is going and currently in Italy and South Korea, 1 out of every 3 people who finished with a bout with virus is dead.

Even if a person's immunity system beats the virus, can they claim victory? Even if a person beats the virus, they can get it again and again and again because there is no cure. CDC says the average adult gets two to three colds a year. It doesn't feel like we get that much because the symptoms may not be noticeable but next time we get the cold it can be severe. COVID-19 is a cold virus on steroids but much more dangerous than the flu. A person may not experience any symptoms and beat it the first time they get it but next time they get it could be worse and kill them.

http://www.cdc.gov/features/rhinoviruses/index.html

If CDC estimates of how many colds we get per year are true, then people our age have experienced over 100 colds in our lifetimes and obviously beat them all since we are on this forum. If we get COVID-19 100 times in our life, we'd be dead before we get to 100. If COVID even has a 10% mortality rate and every person on earth gets it once, the first wave of the virus will kill 780 million people. The rest will survive and when the antibodies in those survivors disappear in a few months, they can acquire COVID-19 again, the same way we can acquire another cold again. Humanity can live with wave after wave of colds and flus since colds are harmless and there are vaccines for flus. We will be devastated if we have to live with wave after wave of COVID-19 unless a cure is found or it's eradicated from the human body. Governments are giving people hope they are racing to find a cure. They haven't found a cure for the common cold after 100 years of trying so I'm not optimistic. Containment through quarantine is our only hope to slow it down and hopefully stop the spread. If it gets out of our control, humanity will have to live with it forever.

Although this virus has been around a few months, around 10% of the world's population has experience a full or partial lockdown. Easily over a billion people's lives have been affected by this virus. Maybe school was cancelled, a concert was cancel, loss of work due to company shutting down and less orders for the company, canceled trips, self imposed quarantine or mandatory government quarantine are what many already experienced. THESE RECENT EVENTS BY GOVERNMENTS IN A SHORT TIME SHOULD TELL US SOMETHING ABOUT THE VIRUS. I don't think most people understand how dangerous this virus is and the magnitude of the situation but it's a good thing Trump, health organizations, and other governments continue to lie and downplay what is happening.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: Boethius on March 08, 2020, 01:47:12 PM

Well duh.


I was referring to this -

that means a Mortality rate of about a third in Italy and around a half in South Korea.


This post was composed without the aid of google.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: krimster2 on March 08, 2020, 01:57:37 PM
I predict that in a couple of years, there will be “plague houses”
houses where one or more people were found dead inside from covid-19 or covid-21
that are un-lived in, and on the market for a REALLY low price...

savvy buyers, can snap these up, and call in a forensic cleaning crew
and they’ll be the ones who will “clean-up” when they sell ‘em later for double!!
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 08, 2020, 02:15:35 PM
Well duh.


I was referring to this -


This post was composed without the aid of google.

Well yes Boe it is. How does looking at figures of those with the virus that haven't yet either recovered or died help? The jury is still out on them surely ;)
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 08, 2020, 02:18:58 PM
I predict that in a couple of years, there will be “plague houses”
houses where one or more people were found dead inside from covid-19 or covid-21
that are un-lived in, and on the market for a REALLY low price...

savvy buyers, can snap these up, and call in a forensic cleaning crew
and they’ll be the ones who will “clean-up” when they sell ‘em later for double!!

...and just think of what this is doing for the Environment Krim, hardly any pollution from plane travel or factories, Greta Thunberg will be thrilled :D
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 08, 2020, 02:30:14 PM
Keeping the economy going may be key for government & business, but for the individual keeping the money rolling in might be paramount also:

http://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2020/03/07/world/asia/china-coronavirus-cost.amp.html

Not many can go long without money, some such as pensioners get it through their pension so may be able to isolate for long periods. Most workers will likely need to keep on working as they can be hand to mouth from month to month. Benefit claimants only need to see the Jobcentre once or twice a week, or maybe it can be done online. They will be able to isolate a lot as well, theoretically but many probably will lack the willpower to keep it up execept those Xboxers among them.

The workers most at risk at the moment are probably those that work in a Supermarket. I feel sorry for them as they are in contact with large numbers of the general public without any protection as yet. It's why if it's going to be a long term thing then I can see it changing to a more warehouse to conveyor belt to customer waiting setup.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: msmob on March 08, 2020, 03:08:18 PM
Well yes Boe it is. How does looking at figures of those with the virus that haven't yet either recovered or died help? The jury is still out on them surely ;)

Which 'jury' ?  The SillyBillyB 'school of stats'?!

I SERIOUSLY hope you never serve on any Jury ... 


Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: calmissile on March 08, 2020, 03:23:27 PM
Keeping the economy going may be key for government & business, but for the individual keeping the money rolling in might be paramount also:

http://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2020/03/07/world/asia/china-coronavirus-cost.amp.html

Not many can go long without money, some such as pensioners get it through their pension so may be able to isolate for long periods. Most workers will likely need to keep on working as they can be hand to mouth from month to month. Benefit claimants only need to see the Jobcentre once or twice a week, or maybe it can be done online. They will be able to isolate a lot as well, theoretically but many probably will lack the willpower to keep it up execept those Xboxers among them.

The workers most at risk at the moment are probably those that work in a Supermarket. I feel sorry for them as they are in contact with large numbers of the general public without any protection as yet. It's why if it's going to be a long term thing then I can see it changing to a more warehouse to conveyor belt to customer waiting setup.

Trench, your correct in highlighting these risks to workers (and customrs).  Having to deal with the general public is an increased risk and your example of risks going to the grocery store was spot on.  Minimizing the number of trips to the grocery store will reduce the risks to public.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 08, 2020, 03:41:16 PM
Trench, your correct in highlighting these risks to workers (and customrs).  Having to deal with the general public is an increased risk and your example of risks going to the grocery store was spot on.  Minimizing the number of trips to the grocery store will reduce the risks to public.

Thanks Cal, appreciate it :)
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: krimster2 on March 08, 2020, 06:11:06 PM
http://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

we're now at 538 cases in the USA with a daily increase of 103
the daily increase is holding steady at about 20% new cases per day
when this number starts increasing we go exponential
we're where Italy was 4 weeks ago....

I would say the plan has worked far better than anyone in Moscva ever dreamed it would...
if you want to place a bet on how smart Americans are...
place the bet on the side that says they're the biggest bunch of dumb phuques ever...
no one ever lost that bet!
Putin sure as hell didn't
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: msmob on March 08, 2020, 07:30:23 PM
For those WITH any observational skills...

Even those in Wuhan can go out to the shops to buy food....

Such movements are restricted, but there is still food on the shelves..

In Italy, as of yesterday, the shelves of supermarkets in Rome were full and most  folks aren't wearing masks ...


Not sure why supermarkets are any more risky than collecting repeat meds at the docs or visiting an airport / railway stn., etc.


The Trenches of this world haven't heard of home delivery ))))




Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: krimster2 on March 08, 2020, 07:37:13 PM
my wife owns two skin care and laser hair removal salons in our area....
she shows up at each twice per week
we were planning on closing them in August due to the virus....
but now I'm going to do it in April...
unfortunately we will have to lay off employees next month
she's had this business since 2009...

the ripples will spread

not sure how much longer my daughters will be able to attend college, before they're all closed, maybe 1 more semester at most...

Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: BillyB on March 08, 2020, 07:49:48 PM
http://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/


I like the website. Italy has updated new totals since I reported their numbers this morning. They've added 33 new deaths and 33 new recoveries. Mortality rate went up again. I consider Italy the go to country for honest reporting and they report often. Some countries don't report everyday but Italy reports multiple times a day.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: krimster2 on March 08, 2020, 09:05:26 PM
Биопрепарат

a Schwarzgerät with Biopreparat

this happened twice before

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aral_smallpox_incident

and then later

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sverdlovsk_anthrax_leak

and of course, the third time was last year in China

please spread this info on facebook and twitter so I get more points
'spossiba
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: Gator on March 08, 2020, 09:24:01 PM

The Trenches of this world haven't heard of home delivery ))))

Your remark reminds us that the most vulnerable group are the low-income, and within the low-income class the elderly and those with medical conditions such as asthma, diabetes, heart disease, etc.   They can not afford home delivery.  They tend to live in more populated areas. 

If a shutdown occurs, how do they get their food?  Their medicine?  There were reports that the "eye of the storm" nursing home in Kirkland, Washington was understaffed. 




Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: msmob on March 08, 2020, 09:34:07 PM
Your remark reminds us that the most vulnerable group are the low-income, and within the low-income class the elderly and those with medical conditions such as asthma, diabetes, heart disease, etc.   They can not afford home delivery.  They tend to live in more populated areas. 

If a shutdown occurs, how do they get their food?  Their medicine?  There were reports that the "eye of the storm" nursing home in Kirkland, Washington was understaffed.

Gator...

I have no idea how much home delivery of groceries costs in the US, but it is less than half a gallon of petrol ( 'gas')

Over here - the good ol' NHS has deals to get meds delivered to those entitled to FREE prescriptions ( over 60's / those on low incomes / under 16's ) for FREE

http://www.well.co.uk/landing  (http://www.well.co.uk/landing)

Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: msmob on March 08, 2020, 09:45:25 PM
Rather you & SC than me to be jetting of to those parts, the risk you are both taking is pretty high.

Unlike, you - we are living our lives and taking the govt recommended precautions ...NOT stocking up and ensuring foolish / selfish shoppers won't bring about temporary shortages.


Though I do think it is kind of funny when I say that you might get stuck out there and the next thing we no you are no longer in Cyprus but in the UK, lol. Still some affection for your old British passport in times of crisis hey Mobe :D

I have not been out in CY for some time ..  I seem to remember even posting this - as I have CY residency and the UKBA pointed out my being in the UK more often - and *I* pointed out to them that I care for my Mum ?!   I use my Irish passport to travel in and out of the UK ..  but the UKBA know I have a UK one !

I also said that this virus may change the way we shop and it looks like some of the worried well have started already.

Tesco has just announced it will ration certain items to five per customer:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-51790375

A bit silly as could just go to another store afterwards.

The Spivs and selfish shoppers might ..


Though could end up with rationing being brought in for the whole country by the government, hooray! No fat girls :cheesy:

They will be in a world of pain if that happens!

You DO realise that even in China, food is in the supermarkets... ?  It's only rather sad / greedy people that cause empty shelves ..

Have you read that having this virus gives one the runs ?  WHY are folks stocking up on toilet rolls ?

I kid you not ..the shelves are low on pasta ..Muppets think only Italy makes Pasta ?


Trench, did you note that oil prices are crashing ?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-51796748 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-51796748)

'How can this be'?  ..You for-telling of price rises in houses, etc.,



Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: fathertime on March 08, 2020, 09:51:48 PM

If a shutdown occurs, how do they get their food?  Their medicine?  There were reports that the "eye of the storm" nursing home in Kirkland, Washington was understaffed.
short employees to take care of the older folks...reminds me of all those small-minded people all worked up over brown skinned immigrants and trying to restrict access and increase limitations so young people couldn't immigrate easily or without long long delay.

Fathertime! 
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: Gator on March 08, 2020, 09:53:46 PM
Before you alarmists lose control of your wits, consider the Singapore case.  Singapore is a city nation of five million people. 

Singapore was one of the worst hit countries when the virus first started spreading outside China.  However,  it had long been preparing for epidemics, after its history with SARS. 

Today the number of total cases is small, only 150, with 90 recoveries.  60 cases are still active, of which 9 are critical.  Number of deaths is ZERO, yet official say deaths are inevitable. 

Was the small number of infections due to the warm climate, as Krimster might claim?  Maybe the climate helped, yet Singapore's response according to this article explains "Tough laws and semi-invasive methods coupled with cajoling and cheerleading are Singapore’s way of handling epidemics."  The article covers the detailed vigilance their epidemiologists undertook to contain the outbreak. 

http://thediplomat.com/2020/03/how-singapore-connected-the-dots-on-coronavirus/

The state and local health officials in the US are manning the frontline against this disease.  They have the capability to do the same.  The question is whether Americans will cooperate or will they panic.   
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: fathertime on March 08, 2020, 09:54:17 PM
I predict that in a couple of years, there will be “plague houses”
houses where one or more people were found dead inside from covid-19 or covid-21
that are un-lived in, and on the market for a REALLY low price...

savvy buyers, can snap these up, and call in a forensic cleaning crew
and they’ll be the ones who will “clean-up” when they sell ‘em later for double!!
but corpses can't buy houses.

Fathertime! 
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: BillyB on March 08, 2020, 10:12:17 PM
the most vulnerable group are the low-income, and within the low-income class the elderly and those with medical conditions such as asthma, diabetes, heart disease, etc.   They can not afford home delivery.  They tend to live in more populated areas. 

If a shutdown occurs, how do they get their food?  Their medicine? 


Out of over 3000 counties in America, I live in the hardest hit county. I've paid close attention to how quarantines are done elsewhere because I think it may happen in King County. First the army is going to surround us. Those inside quarantine will live life with restricted travel and work. Some will continue to work but many will stay indoors during an epidemic. The federal government and your tax dollars will have to support us by delivering us food and items for us to survive and combat the virus. Quarantine will be lifted only after the virus is gone but by then a lot of us will be dead but at least we're not spreading the virus to the majority living outside the quarantined area. But if we quarantine too many people and lose production like Italy is doing for an extended period of time, our economy will take a huge hit. If too many nations go into a deep depression and every nation is on it's own, some nations may see their neighbors and their neighbors allies being weak with no will to fight. In a time of weakness, things and people get exploited. Wars can break out.

Since I do earthwork and utilities work, with population reduction construction will slow down. I have a plan. I may get into the grave digging business and rename my business Undertaker Excavation.

There were reports that the "eye of the storm" nursing home in Kirkland, Washington was understaffed. 


Almost everybody you talk to that experiences an old folks home will say it's understaffed. My wife worked at one before. She complained about that too but I told her places like that have a high turnover rate for employees. Who wants to work for little money to give showers and change the diapers on adults?

If regions go into quarantine, I'm afraid a lot of people will have selfish, me first attitudes. Old folks homes will suffer. Some workers will surely quit during a time of quarantine, especially after the announcement today that 70 workers at the old folks home are sick.

http://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/07/us/coronavirus-nursing-home.html

Before you alarmists lose control of your wits, consider the Singapore case.  Singapore is a city nation of five million people. 

Singapore was one of the worst hit countries when the virus first started spreading outside China.  However,  it had long been preparing for epidemics, after its history with SARS. 

Today the number of total cases is small, only 150, with 90 recoveries.  60 cases are still active, of which 9 are critical.  Number of deaths is ZERO, yet official say deaths are inevitable. 
 

I have a hard time believing they have ZERO deaths. I hope they're not pulling a China on us. I doubt Singaporeans have super immunity systems compared South Koreans and Italians.

I have no idea how much home delivery of groceries costs in the US, but it is less than half a gallon of petrol ( 'gas')


From what I seen on Amazon, it's about the same price as in the store. If a whole region goes into quarantine, the biggest problem would be to find enough brave people to deliver to potential infected people everyday.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: msmob on March 08, 2020, 10:26:08 PM
Out of over 3000 counties in America, I live in the hardest hit county. I've paid close attention to how quarantines are done elsewhere because I think it may happen in King County. First the army is going to surround us. Those inside quarantine will live life with restricted travel and work. Some will continue to work but many will stay indoors during an epidemic. The federal government and your tax dollars will have to support us by delivering us food and items for us to survive and combat the virus. Quarantine will be lifted only after the virus is gone but by then a lot of us will be dead but at least we're not spreading the virus to the majority living outside the quarantined area. But if we quarantine too many people and lose production like Italy is doing for an extended period of time, our economy will take a huge hit. If too many nations go into a deep depression and every nation is on it's own, some nations may see their neighbors and their neighbors allies being weak with no will to fight. In a time of weakness, things and people get exploited. Wars can break out.

Since I do earthwork and utilities work, with population reduction construction will slow down. I have a plan. I may get into the grave digging business and rename my business Undertaker Excavation.

Almost everybody you talk to that experiences an old folks home will say it's understaffed. My wife worked at one before. She complained about that too but I told her places like that have a high turnover rate for employees. Who wants to work for little money to give showers and change the diapers on adults?

If regions go into quarantine, I'm afraid a lot of people will have selfish, me first attitudes. Old folks homes will suffer. Some workers will surely quit during a time of quarantine, especially after the announcement today that 70 workers at the old folks home are sick.

http://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/07/us/coronavirus-nursing-home.html

I have a hard time believing they have ZERO deaths. I hope they're not pulling a China on us. I doubt Singaporeans have super immunity systems compared South Koreans and Italians.

From what I seen on Amazon, it's about the same price as in the store. If a whole region goes into quarantine, the biggest problem would be to find enough brave people to deliver to potential infected people everyday.

BillyB..

I have no idea how you are SO 'certain' of how your quarantine conds. might be ...In nations that have adopted them - villages in N.Italy - community spirit seems to have upped ..

You have a very dim view of human nature in adversity ..





Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: BillyB on March 08, 2020, 10:56:19 PM
villages in N.Italy - community spirit seems to have upped ..


Let me guess, you visited the place once or talked to somebody from that region once to know that. The medical system in Italy is strained. Some medical professionals are infected. Italy is graduating medical professionals early and calling others out of retirement. The quarantine may be fun and cozy for citizens at first but it's going to get old pretty quick when reality sets in that people are dying, losing their jobs and paychecks, and it's not going to end soon. Wuhan, first city to be quarantined is still under quarantine.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/coronavirus-in-italy-fills-hospital-beds-and-turns-doctors-into-patients/2020/03/03/60a723a2-5c9e-11ea-ac50-18701e14e06d_story.html

Since there are no more college classes, my wife looked at all the very cheap vacation packages and told me about them 10 minutes ago. She is being tempted by the travel industry. She told me hotels and flights are cheap and put her phone in my face so I could get a good look at it. If my county wasn't about to explode with infections, I probably be going on vacation before we enter an era where it's impossible to go on vacation.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: msmob on March 09, 2020, 01:38:54 AM
Let me guess, you visited the place once or talked to somebody from that region once to know that.

VERY Silly BillyB

The retired surgeon - who is my biz partner on a project - flew back from Rep. of Georgia with a break planned to . N.Italy ..

His lady speaks fluent Italian and they were going to stay in an apartment owned by friends ....  They lost their tickets - as they decided NOT to go .. but he is in contact with the family ... 

Whilst I understand YOU might not have such contacts  ... it doesn't mean others don't ...

I have Jackie, married to Sergio in Rome ( went to college with her ) and Marcello - from Sardinia - who I tap for updates .... Do you think all these folk fib to 'upset' you ?

The medical system in Italy is strained. Some medical professionals are infected. Italy is graduating medical professionals early and calling others out of retirement. The quarantine may be fun and cozy for citizens at first but it's going to get old pretty quick when reality sets in that people are dying, losing their jobs and paychecks, and it's not going to end soon. Wuhan, first city to be quarantined is still under quarantine.

Jackie - in Rome - is a teacher and on full pay ( happy enough watching Crufts Dog show in the UK, last night with the VPN I got her  )... the people my biz partner knows  - are in Lombardy ... 1 in 2k people there have been infected ..   a little perspective, may be ?

Since there are no more college classes, my wife looked at all the very cheap vacation packages and told me about them 10 minutes ago. She is being tempted by the travel industry. She told me hotels and flights are cheap and put her phone in my face so I could get a good look at it. If my county wasn't about to explode with infections, I probably be going on vacation before we enter an era where it's impossible to go on vacation.

Not sure what you're trying to say, here .. if it is possible to go,  are you saying you won't go ? 
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 09, 2020, 02:36:40 AM
Unlike, you - we are living our lives and taking the govt recommended precautions ...NOT stocking up and ensuring foolish / selfish shoppers won't bring about temporary shortages.


I have not been out in CY for some time ..  I seem to remember even posting this - as I have CY residency and the UKBA pointed out my being in the UK more often - and *I* pointed out to them that I care for my Mum ?!   I use my Irish passport to travel in and out of the UK ..  but the UKBA know I have a UK one !

The Spivs and selfish shoppers might ..


You DO realise that even in China, food is in the supermarkets... ?  It's only rather sad / greedy people that cause empty shelves ..

Have you read that having this virus gives one the runs ?  WHY are folks stocking up on toilet rolls ?

I kid you not ..the shelves are low on pasta ..Muppets think only Italy makes Pasta ?


Trench, did you note that oil prices are crashing ?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-51796748 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-51796748)

'How can this be'?  ..You for-telling of price rises in houses, etc.,

Yes, but China doesn't have the fat women we do. It is fat women and their over consumption of food that is the big problem here. They will want to maintain the size of their fat bums and won't care who else starves to do it. We desperately need the government to introduce food rationing to stop them eating all the food and reduce the size of their bums. They won't like it one bit but when needs must.

Food will start running out if this goes on a long time as society falls apart, potentially.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 09, 2020, 02:43:05 AM
I like the website. Italy has updated new totals since I reported their numbers this morning. They've added 33 new deaths and 33 new recoveries. Mortality rate went up again. I consider Italy the go to country for honest reporting and they report often. Some countries don't report everyday but Italy reports multiple times a day.

That's half of them dying then!!! That is very much a reason to be shocked and alarmed. It is a staggeringly high death rate!

Boris is meeting the Cobra committee today to discuss delay moves such as closing schools, etc. I think this should definitely be done now to stop the spread bolting away as it has done in Italy and elsewhere. Better to take the initiative early than be reactive to a problem too late in the day.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: msmob on March 09, 2020, 03:01:30 AM
Yes, but China doesn't have the fat women we do.

Hmm, and how do you wok THAT out ...?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obesity_in_China (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obesity_in_China)

I knew this as I see Chinese in Thailand, etc.,   You must walk around with your eyes closed ...or you don't travel much ..

It is fat women and their over consumption of food that is the big problem here. They will want to maintain the size of their fat bums and won't care who else starves to do it. We desperately need the government to introduce food rationing to stop them eating all the food and reduce the size of their bums. They won't like it one bit but when needs must.

Food will start running out if this goes on a long time as society falls apart, potentially.

'We' have fat guys, too and many people who over eat - eat cheap crappie food ..


BTW : There may be a trend appearing that guys seem to be more at risk than ladies ( in China) ..

With ever post - you seem to strive to prove misogyny is strong in you







Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: Faux Pas on March 09, 2020, 07:19:54 AM
Before you alarmists lose control of your wits, consider the Singapore case.  Singapore is a city nation of five million people. 

Singapore was one of the worst hit countries when the virus first started spreading outside China.  However,  it had long been preparing for epidemics, after its history with SARS. 

Today the number of total cases is small, only 150, with 90 recoveries.  60 cases are still active, of which 9 are critical.  Number of deaths is ZERO, yet official say deaths are inevitable. 

Was the small number of infections due to the warm climate, as Krimster might claim?  Maybe the climate helped, yet Singapore's response according to this article explains "Tough laws and semi-invasive methods coupled with cajoling and cheerleading are Singapore’s way of handling epidemics."  The article covers the detailed vigilance their epidemiologists undertook to contain the outbreak. 

http://thediplomat.com/2020/03/how-singapore-connected-the-dots-on-coronavirus/

The state and local health officials in the US are manning the frontline against this disease.  They have the capability to do the same.  The question is whether Americans will cooperate or will they panic.   

Agreed. The hysteria is at Defcon 5 now as evidenced by the reactions here, at RWD. The markets and onslaught of media coverage only fuels the baseless panic. 3200 deaths so far world wide from the corona virus and in that same time span about 940,000 deaths by abortion and yet not one flag is raised.

Right now globally people are accepting martial law and quarantine like blind sheep for a virus that hasn't reached the heights, deaths or contagion of the seasonal flu virus. Makes one to wonder what is really behind the wide spread panic
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: Boethius on March 09, 2020, 07:38:02 AM
Yes, but China doesn't have the fat women we do. It is fat women and their over consumption of food that is the big problem here.


There are more overweight men than women in the U.K. 


This post was composed without the aid of google.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: msmob on March 09, 2020, 07:55:39 AM

Right now globally people are accepting martial law and quarantine like blind sheep

You are free to challenge the wisdom of such laws .... 

3200 deaths so far world wide from the corona virus and in that same time span about 940,000 deaths by abortion and yet not one flag is raised.

What ?  That's supposed to be some sort of comparison?

Virus v a choice ?! ( Well it should be a choice )


 

Right now globally people are accepting martial law and quarantine like blind sheep for a virus that hasn't reached the heights, deaths or contagion of the seasonal flu virus. Makes one to wonder what is really behind the wide spread panic

Makes one wonder how ANYONE  could believe govts like S.Korea, China and Italy are involved in  some giant conspiracy..




Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: GQBlues on March 09, 2020, 07:59:41 AM
Agreed. The hysteria is at Defcon 5 now as evidenced by the reactions here, at RWD. The markets and onslaught of media coverage only fuels the baseless panic. 3200 deaths so far world wide from the corona virus and in that same time span about 940,000 deaths by abortion and yet not one flag is raised


You would think the public would be panic-driven to the umpteenth degree and empty all condom/birth control shelves because of that, no?

It's still hard for me to believe part of *my* tax help pay for these killings. F*#k Obama!
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: msmob on March 09, 2020, 08:11:00 AM


It's still hard for me to believe part of *my* tax help pay for these killings. F*#k Obama!

The subject - here - is a virus ... not your feelings re abortion

Feel free to start a thread on that, though ..


Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: GQBlues on March 09, 2020, 08:15:13 AM
The subject - here - is a virus ... not your feelings re abortion

Feel free to start a thread on that, though ..

...and yet you enter your silly endless bullying squabble with trenchcoat in every thread. That pot sure is black as night.

For example...

'We' have fat guys, too and many people who over eat - eat cheap crappie food ..

With ever post - you seem to strive to prove misogyny is strong in you

Since when did fat people became a virus? LMAO!
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: BillyB on March 09, 2020, 08:38:17 AM
Singapore was one of the worst hit countries when the virus first started spreading outside China.  However,  it had long been preparing for epidemics, after its history with SARS. 

Today the number of total cases is small, only 150, with 90 recoveries.  60 cases are still active, of which 9 are critical.  Number of deaths is ZERO, yet official say deaths are inevitable. 


Coming back to this again because Germany also reports zero deaths although they have over a 1000 infected. It's possible Germany and Singapore are not lying but are avoiding reporting the truth to avoid panic and damage to their economies.

http://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

We may see other trustworthy nations eventually adopt the same policy of not reporting anything and they may put pressure on John Hopkins and other websites to remove damaging info. Look what Italy, South Korea, USA, France, and Spain are reporting for deaths and recoveries at the moment. Not a good ratio. As our sample pool gets bigger, we can more accurately predict the mortality rate.

onslaught of media coverage only fuels the baseless panic.


Actually the media is under reporting the magnitude of the situation. There are probably millions of viruses we can get and doesn't affect our lives much but there is one virus with two strains that has got governments to lock down 10% of the worlds population in a matter of months.

Many colleges in Seattle, including the University of Washington is shut down. Local government will shut down restaurants if they don't have hand sanitizer available for customers. The rationing of hand sanitizers and masks have begun and sales are banned on online websites like Ebay.

Personally, I'm not panicking. There's no reason to panic until it's time to panic and that time is when the economy and society collapses and everybody is on their own. If my county or city goes into quarantine, I know the State and Federal government have the capacity to help those stuck on the inside. When the State and Federal government loses the ability to help those stuck on the inside, that is the time to panic. Pay attention to Italy. Their economy wasn't strong to begin with and they just quarantined 25% of their people.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: GQBlues on March 09, 2020, 08:46:45 AM
...Actually the media is under reporting the magnitude of the situation. There are probably millions of viruses we can get and doesn't affect our lives much but there is one virus with two strains that has got governments to lock down 10% of the worlds population in a matter of months...

I disagree.

The world's total population is 7.53 BILLION. Your John Hopkins site reports 111,363 confirmed infection. In the period of 4 months, what's the infection rate given the numbers above? How can anything so relatively 'benign' be given so much media attention? A whole bunch of folks act as though this is the coming of the zombie apocalypse.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: BillyB on March 09, 2020, 09:04:10 AM
The world's total population is 7.53 BILLION. Your John Hopkins site reports 111,363 confirmed infection.


Those numbers aren't scary. The facts are scary and those in the know know this can get real bad real soon if it's not stopped. I did some reading on this virus when it came out from legit sources, not conspiracy theory websites.  I never made comments in the past on MERS, SARS, and the various swine and bird flus that showed up at one time and a don't have a reputation for being a dooms day predicter every week but if there is a doomsday virus we'd see in our lifetime, this could be it. The numbers you posted aren't scary but these facts are.

1) COVID-19 is related to the cold virus and there is no cure for the cold after over a 100 years of trying to find one.
2) If you get the virus and recover, you may later get it again just like we get the cold. Don't expect us to build an immunity to it. Yes, old people die easier but if a young person doesn't die now, the person may die later. We get 2-3 colds a year on average.
2) Mortality rates are very high in nations with good health care systems. If everybody in the world got this thing just once, abortion and flu deaths would pale to what this virus will do to us. Governments allow the cold virus and flu virus to get out of control and live side by side with us. Cold viruses are harmless and the more dangerous flu viruses can be slowed down by vaccines. Imagine a much more dangerous virus that lives with us forever without a vaccine to slow it down.

Even if a person doesn't understand the mortality rates and characteristics of this virus, they shouldn't pay attention to what governments say and influence the media on what to report. They should pay attention to what governments do.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: GQBlues on March 09, 2020, 09:16:29 AM
The odds so far of winning the lotto is much better than you dying of this virus at this time, BillyB.

But I do understand despite the ridiculous odds of the lottery, millions of people still buy lotto tickets, FWIW.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: ML on March 09, 2020, 09:25:16 AM
Spring break is coming to university here next week.

Similar timing to many universities across the USA.

This will lead (when the kids come back) to a tremendous jump in Corona cases in areas that have been isolated from such up to this point.

I am worried as I will have my gall bladder surgery tomorrow, and will be in weakened condition for some time . . . and wife will have increased risk of bringing illnesses of all types into our home from students.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: Gator on March 09, 2020, 09:33:36 AM
I would relish a report from our Milan correspondent "canary in the coal mine."

Sandro, what's happening?   Chirp us a song please. 
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: GQBlues on March 09, 2020, 09:39:09 AM
Spring break is coming to university here next week.

Similar timing to many universities across the USA.

This will lead (when the kids come back) to a tremendous jump in Corona cases in areas that have been isolated from such up to this point.

:grin: Usually they are served in plastic cups from kegs and draft dispensaries. Besides, new trend with millennials are party hurricane and lava flow cocktails these days.

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I am worried as I will have my gall bladder surgery tomorrow, and will be in weakened condition for some time . . . and wife will have increased risk of bringing illnesses of all types into our home from students.

Good luck on that. May you have a speedy recovery.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: BillyB on March 09, 2020, 09:41:56 AM
The odds so far of winning the lotto is much better than you dying of this virus at this time, BillyB.


If I factor in the rest of the population of America, you're right but if I look at what is happening just where I live, you're wrong. I wish you weren't wrong though.

There's about 2.2 million people in King County, WA.  83 are infected without including the 70 sick nursing home employees since their illness is yet to be determine. 2.2 million divided by 83 means 1 out of every 26,505 people in the county are confirmed infected. Of course there's more walking around undetected. Since 19 people in the county have died, 1 out of 115,800 people have died from the virus that we know of. There could be other COVID-19 deaths that doctors incorrectly blamed something else as being the cause.

King County may be become the next Lombardy Italy. 1 out of every 8200 people in Italy are currently infected. One out of every 165,245 Italians are dead from the virus but if you concentrate on the Lombardy region and not include the rest of the population in Italy to water down the numbers, the situation in Lombardy becomes real grim. Grim conditions means government lockdown.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: GQBlues on March 09, 2020, 09:51:08 AM
If I factor in the rest of the population of America, you're right but if I look at what is happening just where I live, you're wrong. I wish you weren't wrong though.

There's about 2.2 million people in King County, WA.  83 are infected without including the 70 sick nursing home employees since their illness is yet to be determine. 2.2 million divided by 83 means 1 out of every 26,505 people in the county are confirmed infected. Of course there's more walking around undetected. Since 19 people in the county have died, 1 out of 115,800 people have died from the virus that we know of. There could be other COVID-19 deaths that doctors incorrectly blamed something else as being the cause.

King County may be become the next Lombardy Italy. 1 out of every 8200 people in Italy are currently infected. One out of every 165,245 Italians are dead from the virus but if you concentrate on the Lombardy region and not include the rest of the population in Italy to water down the numbers, the situation in Lombardy becomes real grim. Grim conditions means government lockdown.

Don't worry, BillyB. It gets even better than these numbers because then you need to splice in age ranges and their respective probability of death of those confirmed to be infected. 0-15 is zero - 81+ with medical condition is 25+% (report I last saw).

But I am glad to see you're exercising precautions.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: Gator on March 09, 2020, 09:59:42 AM

I am worried as I will have my gall bladder surgery tomorrow, and will be in weakened condition for some time . . . and wife will have increased risk of bringing illnesses of all types into our home from students.

Good luck!    Do you come home after the surgery, or do you stay in the hospital?
Convalescing at home would be safer due to fewer  social contacts.   If you and your wife follow these practices, your COVID-19 risk is virtually zero. 

(http://a57.foxnews.com/static.foxnews.com/foxnews.com/content/uploads/2020/03/1862/1048/dr-oz-virus.jpg?ve=1&tl=1)

My guess is touching surfaces is the greatest source of risk. 
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: BillyB on March 09, 2020, 10:04:00 AM

Don't worry, BillyB. It gets even better than these numbers because then you need to splice in age ranges and their respective probability of death of those confirmed to be infected. 0-15 is zero - 81+ with medical condition is 25+% (report I last saw).

But I am glad to see you're exercising precautions.

I'm very optimistic I, my family, and most people on this forum can survive a battle of COVID-19. However, if it behaves like the cold virus and we have to battle it 2-3 times a year for the rest of our lives, most likely our deaths will be blamed on COVID-19 instead of something else.

Also, I'm not worried about being locked down by the government 30 days. I've had lots of experience. I'm married.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: Gator on March 09, 2020, 10:17:35 AM
Something to worry about. 

America has a total of  about 940,000 hospital beds, of which 600,000 are in use at any moment.   That yields a reserve of about one hospital bed available per 1,000 people. 

Outbreaks will not be distributed uniformly across America, so if COVID continues to spread, some centers of infection will not have enough hospital beds for patients requiring intensive care.   China had the same situation and built large, temporary hospitals in two weeks.   This fast track capacity is not available in the US because of many restrictions (zoning, construction permits, contracting, etc.).

How about the number of available ventilators?     
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: BillyB on March 09, 2020, 10:35:28 AM
Something to worry about. 

America has a total of  about 940,000 hospital beds, of which 600,000 are in use at any moment.   That yields a reserve of about one hospital bed available per 1,000 people. 


Tourism to Seattle is tanking. Hotels are losing money. Owners can sell their hotels to the government. My county and local governments in China have bought hotels to turn them into hospitals or quarantine zones.

China had the same situation and built large, temporary hospitals in two weeks.   This fast track capacity is not available in the US because of many restrictions (zoning, construction permits, contracting, etc.).


There may come a day where Americans say "Fukc the rules" and just get it done. Government may eventually use soldiers to round up contractors to do a government project and they won't take "no" for an answer.

How about the number of available ventilators? 
   

Machines to assist breathing and oxygen bottles are critical to keeping people alive long enough so they can build up enough antibodies to beat the virus. Our government visited 3M for more masks. I'm sure they paid a visit to companies that make equipment to help with breathing.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: GQBlues on March 09, 2020, 10:48:59 AM
Something to worry about. 

America has a total of  about 940,000 hospital beds, of which 600,000 are in use at any moment.   That yields a reserve of about one hospital bed available per 1,000 people. 

Outbreaks will not be distributed uniformly across America, so if COVID continues to spread, some centers of infection will not have enough hospital beds for patients requiring intensive care.   China had the same situation and built large, temporary hospitals in two weeks.   This fast track capacity is not available in the US because of many restrictions (zoning, construction permits, contracting, etc.).

How about the number of available ventilators?   

I would assume this will be handled the same way we have in recent past when other tragedies warrant immediate provisions by hosting them in arenas and large scaled sporting venues or convention centers. Even football arenas with roofs even. High school or collegiate gymnasiums, etc...Or even those FEMA trailers...
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: BillyB on March 09, 2020, 11:01:05 AM
I would assume this will be handled the same way we have in recent past when other tragedies warrant immediate provisions by hosting them in arenas and large scaled sporting venues or convention centers. Even football arenas with roofs even. High school or collegiate gymnasiums, etc...Or even those FEMA trailers...

China has already taken over sports arenas, warehouses and office buildings. Problem with that is we're dealing with an infectious disease. As beds will be side by side with no walls between them, it's not comforting for a person who is trying to get over the virus to know the guy next to him is coughing and sneezing more viruses into the air.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: GQBlues on March 09, 2020, 11:14:10 AM
China has already taken over sports arenas, warehouses and office buildings. Problem with that is we're dealing with an infectious disease. As beds will be side by side with no walls between them, it's not comforting for a person who is trying to get over the virus to know the guy next to him is coughing and sneezing more viruses into the air.

Well, I would hope our medical professionals and caretakers aren't silly enough to confine infected and non-infected folks 'side-by-side' no?

Otherwise, we'd end up like this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UuFZxdh5rzA
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: BillyB on March 09, 2020, 11:43:36 AM

Italy just reported their numbers. Yesterday they had recorded totals of 366 deaths to 622 recoveries. Today's totals are 463 deaths to 724 recoveries which means they added 97 new dead and 102 new recoveries. They had a very bad day with the mortality rate getting worse, not better. France, Spain, and the USA are all currently experiencing worse mortality rates than Italy.

http://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: BC on March 09, 2020, 12:04:17 PM
As long as folks won't or can't pay copays and don't have sick leave they will go to work and infect others.  Tests may be free, but the ER and doctor visits are not. Considering the lack of testing and even availability of tests, chances are the US is vastly undercounting.  Even the Surgeon General was not able to guestimate the number of people that have been tested.  Most EU countries have considerably more hospital beds and doctors per capita than the US.  Obviously, Italy acquired a lot of testing kits.  Sure, Lombardia which is a densely populated area that is a transit hub with three major airports, many tourists etc will be hard hit.  Kids are out of school sitting it out at home with big events and even small banned countrywide and not only in affected areas. I cancelled a business trip and others are staying at home as well. See the attached photo to get an idea which areas are going to be most at risk in Europe.

The first two confirmed Covid deaths reported in Germany today, with 1140 confirmed sick.  More sure to come.  All just a matter of time.

This isn't a problem you can just throw money at to fix.  In reality, this pandemic is just a shot over the bow affecting mainly the elderly and those with other conditions that put them at risk.  We may not be so lucky one of the 'next times' that will surely come when we least expect it.

The one positive side of all this is that aside from showing how unprepared we are for such, maybe folks will start thinking that it is better to mandate flu shots for everyone next year, especially if a Covid vaccine can be combined with flu shots.   
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: Boethius on March 09, 2020, 12:13:06 PM
Aren't flu shots already widely available, BC?


After SARS, flu shots became very readily accessible across Canada, and provincial health authorities advise all to get them.  You can go to a physician's office or a pharmacy to receive a flu shot.  At pharmacies, you just go in, tell them you want a shot, and about 15 minutes later, you're on your way.  Some offices arrange to have health nurses come in and give shots to workers.  The shots are covered by healthcare here, so are free to those receiving them.


This post was composed without the aid of google.



Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: krimster2 on March 09, 2020, 12:37:04 PM
makes sense, a bit of info that gets lost
if you look at the Chinese data....
while Covid-19 is raging, flu infections are ALSO up 50% simultaneously...
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: BC on March 09, 2020, 12:49:22 PM
Aren't flu shots already widely available, BC?

Yes, they are readily available, but not everyone gets them yearly.  I'd guess around half do, half don't which even applies for the US.  Here the risk groups get it free and for the rest, it's still an option they avoid.   Many tens of thousands could live a bit longer if flu shots were mandated for all.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: ML on March 09, 2020, 01:14:06 PM
GQ:  “Good luck on that. May you have a speedy recovery.”

Gator: “Good luck!    Do you come home after the surgery, or do you stay in the hospital?”

Thanks fellas.

As always, whether one goes home immediately or stays overnight depends on . . .
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: BillyB on March 09, 2020, 01:28:40 PM
makes sense, a bit of info that gets lost
if you look at the Chinese data....
while Covid-19 is raging, flu infections are ALSO up 50% simultaneously...

China may report someone as having or died from the flu or other illnesses when in fact they have COVID-19. Helps keep the COVID-19 numbers down so people don't think things are so bad in China.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: Gator on March 09, 2020, 02:42:18 PM
The one positive side of all this is that aside from showing how unprepared we are for such, maybe folks will start thinking that it is better to mandate flu shots for everyone next year, especially if a Covid vaccine can be combined with flu shots.

Flu shots are free yet some idiots forgo it.

Reference your comment about being unprepared.   That certainly showed in regard to the limited availability of testing, now being corrected.  The Global Health Security Index for 2019 ranked the preparedness of the world's nations.

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   The United States was named as the country with the strongest measures in place and it came first with 83.5 out of 100. The United Kingdom came second with 77.9 followed by the Netherlands with 75.6. China, which has initiated a series of lockdowns in response to the outbreak, comes 51st with a score of 48.2.


http://www.statista.com/chart/20629/ability-to-respond-to-an-epidemic-or-pandemic/

http://www.ghsindex.org/

The US is ranked the best, yet hysterics abound. 

Don't travel to Somalia.  Imagine what will happen if this disease reaches underdeveloped nations. 

Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: Faux Pas on March 09, 2020, 02:43:18 PM
You are free to challenge the wisdom of such laws .... 

Naturally YOU can't fathom civil liberties and freedom being stripped as we speak. I'm not surprised

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What ?  That's supposed to be some sort of comparison?
3200 deaths have you wringing your hands but 940,000 and you don't even blink? If you want a better comparison there were 280,000 deaths from influenza last year

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Virus v a choice ?! ( Well it should be a choice )
There was no choice for the baby. Perhaps there should have been. It was the baby's life you know?


 
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Makes one wonder how ANYONE  could believe govts like S.Korea, China and Italy are involved in  some giant conspiracy..

Who said that? You connected epidemic hysteria to conspiracy? Hummm
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: Faux Pas on March 09, 2020, 02:55:38 PM
I'm very optimistic I, my family, and most people on this forum can survive a battle of COVID-19. However, if it behaves like the cold virus and we have to battle it 2-3 times a year for the rest of our lives, most likely our deaths will be blamed on COVID-19 instead of something else.

Also, I'm not worried about being locked down by the government 30 days. I've had lots of experience. I'm married.

Nonetheless, I would recommend you start immediately on recommended for your size or heavy doses of vitamin C. The news outlets are quick to tell you how to wash your hands but none of them are discussing preventative measures with vitamin C " therapy. It has been showing great promise in Wuhan of all places. Vitamin C strengthens the immune system. You can take too little VC but you can't take too much. I'm not bullshitting you
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: msmob on March 09, 2020, 03:20:42 PM
Naturally YOU can't fathom civil liberties and freedom being stripped as we speak. I'm not surprised

I have no problem with such laws - they are implemented to attempt to save lives .. Only an utter idiot would forget how I fight and win when laws are not implemented correctly ... guess what .. there's a time and a place and it's not now, in say, Italy .


3200 deaths have you wringing your hands but 940,000 and you don't even blink? If you want a better comparison there were 280,000 deaths from influenza last year

IF you'd been paying attention, you'll find that 'hand wringing' has not been something you've seen from me ... travelling about Europe / Asia ... :popcorn:

Again, we are discussing a virus ... NOT abortion .. and you can start a thread on that anytime .. 

 
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: BillyB on March 09, 2020, 03:42:13 PM
Nonetheless, I would recommend you start immediately on recommended for your size or heavy doses of vitamin C. The news outlets are quick to tell you how to wash your hands but none of them are discussing preventative measures with vitamin C " therapy. It has been showing great promise in Wuhan of all places. Vitamin C strengthens the immune system. You can take too little VC but you can't take too much. I'm not bullshitting you

Thanks for the advice. My wife already started me on vitamins but I'll go ahead and buy heavy doses of Vitamin C because it does help the immune system.

I spoke to a friend of mine who once worked as a nurse and then a security guard for a hospital. Sometimes he'll run drills teaching medical personnel how to handle a biological, chemical, and nuclear situation within a hospital. He knows how dangerous this new virus is and I asked him if he thought the government is doing the right thing by downplaying it. He believes they are doing the right thing. He said there's a universal answer that works regardless if it's a person with a few days to live or a catastrophe that will kill a lot of people. When asked about a dire situation, the answer should always be "Everything is going to be alright".
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: GQBlues on March 09, 2020, 03:44:00 PM
Nonetheless, I would recommend you start immediately on recommended for your size or heavy doses of vitamin C. The news outlets are quick to tell you how to wash your hands but none of them are discussing preventative measures with vitamin C " therapy. It has been showing great promise in Wuhan of all places. Vitamin C strengthens the immune system. You can take too little VC but you can't take too much. I'm not bullshitting you

If at all possible, avoid Bingo parlors, Denny’s, Sizzlers, etc at least until there’s vaccine for this virus. 

Currently in my DR.’s office. Flu shots are free. He tells me Italy conducted a program yesterday where intubation is now called off for elderly people infected with covid-19 😢 They’re just gonna let them die. Social medicine for yah. Apparently it’s an exercise in futility when care and effort can instead by focused on the young. Lol.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/coronavirus-in-italy-fills-hospital-beds-and-turns-doctors-into-patients/2020/03/03/60a723a2-5c9e-11ea-ac50-18701e14e06d_story.html

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Costantino Troise, the head of the medical union Anaao Assomed, said medical workers accounted for about 5 percent of infections in Italy. He said recent funding cuts meant that even before the virus hit, the country had been facing a shortage of thousands of doctors and nurses.

FP you can overdose on Vit C. Best get your daily dose from food vs  supplement. The side effect isn’t bad though. It’s the acid property in the vitamin. You might need to stock up on toilet paper, is all

btw: Blood sampling for the physical, Physical, did EKG, flu shot, went through blood result with me, etc...no copay, no cost. Zip, zero, nada mullah...
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: Faux Pas on March 09, 2020, 03:45:21 PM
I have no problem with such laws - they are implemented to attempt to save lives .. Only an utter idiot would forget how I fight and win when laws are not implemented correctly ... guess what .. there's a time and a place and it's not now, in say, Italy .

IF you'd been paying attention, you'll find that 'hand wringing' has not been something you've seen from me ... travelling about Europe / Asia ... :popcorn:

Again, we are discussing a virus ... NOT abortion .. and you can start a thread on that anytime ..

You fight and win?
 :ROFL:

I am discussing the hype from the virus. Whether you like it or not, it is part of the discussion. The virus for the more level headed among us should be kept in prospective. Question authority. The deaths associated with it as well as the sickness is still low comparatively.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 09, 2020, 04:12:25 PM
You fight and win?
 :ROFL:

I am discussing the hype from the virus. Whether you like it or not, it is part of the discussion. The virus for the more level headed among us should be kept in prospective. Question authority. The deaths associated with it as well as the sickness is still low comparatively.

The sickness on the surface is comparatively low, numbering in the UK at around 311 or so in a population of nearly 68 Million people. Yet the virus itself could be seen as a bit like an iceberg, many more can already have it but symptoms won't show themselves for up to 14 days, maybe even occasionally longer. It has also been alleged that some may have it and not realise as their symptoms are so mild, whether this is accurate remains to be seen.

Main problem is that once a person shows they have it what then? They could either recover quickly over the course of 14 days or so. They could recover but take a long time to recover, maybe weeks. They could fight the illness for several weeks then die or they may die fairly quickly (each as those with underlying health problems) within days.

Those that are in for the long fight to either recover or die after several weeks fighting the disease won't show in the statistics for weeks after first being diagnosed and added to the count of those that have contracted the virus. So in a country like the UK or US that are about around the same stage in the virus spread we likely won't know how dangerous the virus is or see the death rate climb for several weeks, perhaps in two to three weeks time from now. Since a lot of those cases may be those in for a long several week fight with the disease.

What we see early on is just mainly old people with underlying health problems that of course go fast. We don't see those that are younger and fitter that may not make it and go several weeks later. It gives the impression that it is just those with underlying health problems that will die but it is not necessarily the case.

I think this virus should give us pause for thought on how we go about our daily lives and how we, society and business organise ourselves. In my opinion we need to avoid a lot of unnecessary hand contact and close proximity in our everyday dealings with each other and find alternate ways to do things and remove all the unneeded close contact tasks.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: BillyB on March 09, 2020, 04:23:53 PM

The whole nation of Italy with 60+ million people will now be locked down. Tens of millions of people on earth are getting locked down on a daily basis but there's no reason to panic so please remain calm and carry on. Everything is going to be alright.

http://www.yahoo.com/news/stocks-oil-prices-plunge-virus-085203396.html

Live coverage with VP Pence and Trump just happened. They've announced aid for individuals who lost their job and companies hurt due to the virus.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: BC on March 09, 2020, 05:04:53 PM
locked down is a loose term.  Stick around your town unless you have a good reason, like work or other regular biz where you need to go to another town, city or country.  Basically print a form that states your destination and reason for travel and carry it in case you get stopped for a control.  Kids are enjoying a month out of school and rest is pretty much normal aside from no gatherings, and events like the weekly market, movies etc.  Shopping malls will be pretty empty except for local folks.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 09, 2020, 05:07:50 PM
The whole nation of Italy with 60+ million people will now be locked down. Tens of millions of people on earth are getting locked down on a daily basis but there's no reason to panic so please remain calm and carry on. Everything is going to be alright.

http://www.yahoo.com/news/stocks-oil-prices-plunge-virus-085203396.html

Live coverage with VP Pence and Trump just happened. They've announced aid for individuals who lost their job and companies hurt due to the virus.

That's f*cking shocking Billy :o I wondered if you were being serious when you said the whole of Italy is now on lockdown, had to go look at the news to see, absolutely stunned by it, and the 'experts' tell us not to panic, lol.

Just shows how serious we should all be taking this virus. Italy has gone down in a matter of weeks and unless we up our game significantly both in the UK and the US, we're next! A frightening thought indeed.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: BillyB on March 09, 2020, 05:19:30 PM
locked down is a loose term.  Stick around your town unless you have a good reason, like work or other regular biz where you need to go to another town, city or country.  Basically print a form that states your destination and reason for travel and carry it in case you get stopped for a control.  Kids are enjoying a month out of school and rest is pretty much normal aside from no gatherings, and events like the weekly market, movies etc.  Shopping malls will be pretty empty except for local folks.

Look on the bright side BC, when people stay at home more often, sex happens more often. After this is over, I wouldn't be surprised to see a baby boom in Italy. Hopefully the lockdown Italy is employing works to slow and stop the spread of the virus. If the lock down doesn't work, expect more restrictions.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: BC on March 09, 2020, 05:34:11 PM

Currently in my DR.’s office. Flu shots are free. He tells me Italy conducted a program yesterday where intubation is now called off for elderly people infected with covid-19 😢 They’re just gonna let them die. Social medicine for yah. Apparently it’s an exercise in futility when care and effort can instead by focused on the young. Lol.


Has nothing at all to do with social medicine.  Here's the accurate info if you can read it. http://www.ilpost.it/2020/03/09/coronavirus-terapia-intensiva/

Here in Italy a large part of the 'lock down' if you want to call it that is to slow down the pace of infection so that hospital resources are not totally overwhelmed.  Basically says to be prudent with therapy and try to keep as many as possible off respirators.  Your doc is spreading a bit of hype.  I feel more comfortable here than I would in the US where per capita resources are considerably less and more difficulty with folks getting 'locked down' eventually overloading hospitals that will have to force some very tough choices.  Don't forget that those providing care are at higher risk for infection and will have to go home themselves further reducing treatment capacity.  Here they are pulling retired docs back into service and letting nursing students graduate early.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: Faux Pas on March 09, 2020, 05:37:27 PM
The sickness on the surface is comparatively low, numbering in the UK at around 311 or so in a population of nearly 68 Million people. Yet the virus itself could be seen as a bit like an iceberg, many more can already have it but symptoms won't show themselves for up to 14 days, maybe even occasionally longer. It has also been alleged that some may have it and not realise as their symptoms are so mild, whether this is accurate remains to be seen.

Main problem is that once a person shows they have it what then? They could either recover quickly over the course of 14 days or so. They could recover but take a long time to recover, maybe weeks. They could fight the illness for several weeks then die or they may die fairly quickly (each as those with underlying health problems) within days.

Those that are in for the long fight to either recover or die after several weeks fighting the disease won't show in the statistics for weeks after first being diagnosed and added to the count of those that have contracted the virus. So in a country like the UK or US that are about around the same stage in the virus spread we likely won't know how dangerous the virus is or see the death rate climb for several weeks, perhaps in two to three weeks time from now. Since a lot of those cases may be those in for a long several week fight with the disease.

What we see early on is just mainly old people with underlying health problems that of course go fast. We don't see those that are younger and fitter that may not make it and go several weeks later. It gives the impression that it is just those with underlying health problems that will die but it is not necessarily the case.

I think this virus should give us pause for thought on how we go about our daily lives and how we, society and business organise ourselves. In my opinion we need to avoid a lot of unnecessary hand contact and close proximity in our everyday dealings with each other and find alternate ways to do things and remove all the unneeded close contact tasks.

Your line of thought is perpetuating the hysteria. The media can not let it rest and ignores other news of the world. Worldwide some 94,000 have contracted the virus 3200 have died many of those are elderly and other under lying issues. The contagion of the virus is 2. The contagion of SARS was 4 and for the measles is 18. 55,000 of the 94,000 recovered.

It is okay to assume for a minute that the panic caused by the mainstream media is just that, panic. The tip of the iceberg? Hardly. We'll see more cases of that I had no doubt. There's no epidemic even yet much less a pandemic. What you should be asking yourself is why now? COVID isn't ebola, it isn't even SARS or seasonal influenza. Yet all MSM news outlets gloss over that factoid.

I'm not at all indicating that measures shouldn't be taken to slow and stop the virus. Not at all but you should ask yourself, why this one and why now?

http://www.newsweek.com/coronavirus-update-50000-recoveries-global-cases-1490495?fbclid=IwAR2msbFukyVmi55VKAAaPfVmUNiMnzzD0RKAq9XVLtQ9J7TQn-3eObCNZlk (http://www.newsweek.com/coronavirus-update-50000-recoveries-global-cases-1490495?fbclid=IwAR2msbFukyVmi55VKAAaPfVmUNiMnzzD0RKAq9XVLtQ9J7TQn-3eObCNZlk)
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: BillyB on March 09, 2020, 06:13:44 PM
COVID isn't ebola, it isn't even SARS or seasonal influenza. Yet all MSM news outlets gloss over that factoid.


This virus is worse than all of those. Very dangerous. Mortality rate is intentionally underestimated. Unlike those other diseases, A person can infect others before showing symptoms. A cure may never be found.

Bill Gates have participated in a lot of philanthropy and his foundation has been there for every epidemic and he has become an expert himself since he studies these thing and have experienced past epidemics. On COVID he said "Covid-19 has started behaving a lot like the once-in-a-century pathogen we’ve been worried about." He didn't say that about SARS, Ebola, MERS and the various swine and birds flus that were experienced the last few decades.

http://www.newsweek.com/coronavirus-update-50000-recoveries-global-cases-1490495?fbclid=IwAR2msbFukyVmi55VKAAaPfVmUNiMnzzD0RKAq9XVLtQ9J7TQn-3eObCNZlk (http://www.newsweek.com/coronavirus-update-50000-recoveries-global-cases-1490495?fbclid=IwAR2msbFukyVmi55VKAAaPfVmUNiMnzzD0RKAq9XVLtQ9J7TQn-3eObCNZlk)


Newsweek touts 50,000 people recovered. 80% of the weight of the report is based on what China is telling us and they are lying. They report only 3000 deaths but it's a lot more. The Chinese province of Zhejiang has a similar population to Italy and they've reported 1176 people recovered and only one person died from the virus. Italy reports they had 724 people making a full recovery and 463 people died. HUGE difference and I doubt the Chinese have much better immunity systems than Italians. But with reports from trustworthy nations, we begin to understand how truly dangerous this virus is. Go to the John Hopkins link below and click on all nations with 200 or more infections and see the dead and recovered numbers for those nations. Ignore China and Iran. Mortality rate from developed nations with good healthcare systems average about 30% which is much higher than what the media is reporting. China's reporting has watered down the mortality rate.

http://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: krimster2 on March 09, 2020, 06:23:14 PM
OMG!!!

so, if after colliding with an iceberg, the amount of water that flowed into the Titanic
increased by 20% each minute....

how long before the ship sinks?

oh, sorry...
I meant covid-19 cases in the USA and not the water entering the Titanic
and each day, and not each minute...

but the question remains...
how long before the ship sinks?

study a graph of USA cases and see where it correlates with China, Korea and Italy
how long before we shut down all schools in the USA?
what’s your guess? will it be weeks or months?

“hopefully, no one will blame the ship’s captain for this..."
is your ONLY regret, as you briefly dog paddle in the frigid North Sea
watching in horror as the HMS Titanic slips forever beneath the foaming waves...
really?


LMFAO!
Trump voters say the craziest stuff EVAH!
slovo!

all your bases belong to us!

Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: GQBlues on March 09, 2020, 06:57:08 PM
OMG!!!

“hopefully, no one will blame the ship’s captain for this..."
is your ONLY regret, as you briefly dog paddle in the frigid North Sea
watching in horror as the HMS Titanic slips forever beneath the foaming waves...
really?


LMFAO!
Trump voters say the craziest stuff EVAH!

slovo!

all your bases belong to us!

:ROFL:

Well this Trump voter can easily point the error in this statement. Foam in seawater/waves is caused by dissolving protein or organic in the water such as algae churned by the waves. The water was still the night titanic sunk. Frigid waters, as was the case with Titanic, was in the low 40s, if not colder, which means decay, decomposition or dissolving of protein is hardly possible to churn the seawater to foam. Algae require a minimum of 60 degrees to survive.

Sorry but this is taught in elementary level oceanography class.

FWIW and yes, I will vote for Trump again
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: krimster2 on March 09, 2020, 07:08:49 PM
why is there foam in a pint of stout then, eh?
it comes from gas trapped in a liquid bubbling to the top...
cuz of the algae?
not in what I drink...
and I got all the way up to jr high school in ADVANCED PLACEMENT Oceanography....
elementary oceanography.... haha, they didn't even cover hydrothermal vents in elementary school...
you were probably scraping all the mussels off the rocks for dinner on your field trips to!!!
wearing your little straw hat...

Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: GQBlues on March 09, 2020, 07:15:13 PM
Because of carbon dioxide released when the pressure is alleviated. The carbon is derived/created from the residual hops/ barley/ grain that fermented to make that beer.  Soda pop do the same thing although it lacks the grain properties to hold its shape/foam. They call this beer head.

Just helping out, is all.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: krimster2 on March 09, 2020, 07:27:54 PM
wow...so a compressed gas will float upwards through a dense liquid
physically mix with the liquid
and create a foam at the surface....

that was elementary school physics
discussing the physical properties of matter
you probably went to a disadvantaged school
and got the non AP version of this class

or just learned physics and chemistry "in the streets" like a lot of kids





Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: GQBlues on March 09, 2020, 07:37:01 PM
Relax Krim. Just pointed out the error in your statement is all. I see a lot of them in your posts. The only difference with this one is the irony in your silly attempt to try and insult others by writing a bonehead statement. It’s like that water burning leaves gig, you know.

You’ll get over it in the morning.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: BillyB on March 09, 2020, 08:02:19 PM

All though WHO is calling for all nations to put out all the stops on this virus now,  on January 9 WHO praised China for their quick ability to identify this new virus and capability to manage it. WHO should've put out warnings to all nations back in early January but they were  misled by China. We now know that the virus was discovered much earlier than when China first reported it and we know they never had it under control spreading recklessly within and outside of their country. Their deception and lack of transparency is now getting a lot of people killed, not to mention we may have to live with this virus forever if we lose control of it.

http://www.who.int/china/news/detail/09-01-2020-who-statement-regarding-cluster-of-pneumonia-cases-in-wuhan-china
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: msmob on March 09, 2020, 08:23:45 PM
SillyBillyB,


Where have you read WHO criticising / chastising China, subsequently?.....

Whilst I realise you are becoming an 'expert' on micro-biology and there is an element of 'not the right moment', I would like to ask you how you believe knowing earlier would have changed anything?

Example: Italy was one of the first nations to ban (direct ) flights from China...

Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: GQBlues on March 09, 2020, 08:51:01 PM
All though WHO is calling for all nations to put out all the stops on this virus now,  on January 9 WHO praised China for their quick ability to identify this new virus and capability to manage it. WHO should've put out warnings to all nations back in early January but they were  misled by China. We now know that the virus was discovered much earlier than when China first reported it and we know they never had it under control spreading recklessly within and outside of their country. Their deception and lack of transparency is now getting a lot of people killed, not to mention we may have to live with this virus forever if we lose control of it.

You’re killing me, Billy  :P

Maybe China had to find away to scare the beejesuus out of those Hong Kong prostesters as Beijing was losing total control of that situation while the world looked on. After all, those riot moved out of the media focus since the virus came around. The plan worked! They seemed to have found a way to have those protesters stay home.

🤪
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: BillyB on March 09, 2020, 09:02:38 PM
Where have you read WHO criticising / chastising China, subsequently?.....


WHO belongs to the UN. International organizations aren't in the business of blaming member nations that pays dues. Don't want to hurt people's feelings. When WHO praised China for it's quick action on containment and months later announce to the World this is a five alarm fire and everybody should now get in on the action, that should tell you something. When WHO says China hasn't allowed their experts yet into their country to help. That should tell you something.

I would like to ask you how you believe knowing earlier would have changed anything?


Next time a fire breaks out in an apartment building and everybody is asleep except you, wait an hour before calling the fire department if you don't think the outcome will be different from if you took action right away.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: msmob on March 09, 2020, 09:16:27 PM
A lot of words...excuses..

So, you could not find any criticism..

You will find the UN has member states and does criticise members...

'Thank you'..


Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: BillyB on March 09, 2020, 10:20:52 PM

Mongolia reports its first case of coronavirus. They shut down all schools in the country and suspended all local travel in the province the infected person was in. Government officials get the truth from top doctors and scientists. The actions they are taking against this particular virus are extreme and are different than the actions they took against previous viruses. There's enough education on the internet that tells you the truth about this virus's characteristics and behavior but you have to filter out the crap and most of it is crap. If you understand it, you will agree with Bill Gates, who has experience fighting many epidemics, that COVID-19 is the once-in-a-century pathogen we’ve been worried about. It's here and we get front row seats to the show that will make the history books.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/mongolia-confirms-its-first-coronavirus-case-in-french-worker/ar-BB10Y2Vu?ocid=spartanntp
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: msmob on March 10, 2020, 01:12:40 AM
Bill Gates is a smart chap, but it doesn't mean we have to agree with his thoughts.

Let's see if China really has peaked and we'll be more certain who'd been panicking....

My old college friend from Rome has a large garden near the centre and is looking forward to getting stuck in.... not too worried, but Marcello on Sardinia is SCARED for elderly members of his family...

One seems to be taking this in her stride...t'other, not so.

They are both glad of the internet...for now..

I asked Jackie, in Rome ( She has a dog) how folks can 'relieve' their dogs needs to pee and pooh...if under quarantine conditions...

That is a permissible excuse to go out..
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 10, 2020, 01:30:43 AM
Your line of thought is perpetuating the hysteria. The media can not let it rest and ignores other news of the world. Worldwide some 94,000 have contracted the virus 3200 have died many of those are elderly and other under lying issues. The contagion of the virus is 2. The contagion of SARS was 4 and for the measles is 18. 55,000 of the 94,000 recovered.

It is okay to assume for a minute that the panic caused by the mainstream media is just that, panic. The tip of the iceberg? Hardly. We'll see more cases of that I had no doubt. There's no epidemic even yet much less a pandemic. What you should be asking yourself is why now? COVID isn't ebola, it isn't even SARS or seasonal influenza. Yet all MSM news outlets gloss over that factoid.

I'm not at all indicating that measures shouldn't be taken to slow and stop the virus. Not at all but you should ask yourself, why this one and why now?

http://www.newsweek.com/coronavirus-update-50000-recoveries-global-cases-1490495?fbclid=IwAR2msbFukyVmi55VKAAaPfVmUNiMnzzD0RKAq9XVLtQ9J7TQn-3eObCNZlk (http://www.newsweek.com/coronavirus-update-50000-recoveries-global-cases-1490495?fbclid=IwAR2msbFukyVmi55VKAAaPfVmUNiMnzzD0RKAq9XVLtQ9J7TQn-3eObCNZlk)

Saw this today from a guy that is going through it, the first report I have come across about someone who is going through it. Down in thr comments section at the top of those comments is a person who has gone through it who said it was a month long fight. That supports my comment last night that some people are in for a long fight for life on this one and its not something that people necessarily get over with in a few days. It really seems to have knocked this 32 year old from New York for six, he is a non-smoker as well with no underlying health conditions:

http://uk.yahoo.com/news/every-day-getting-worse-coronavirus-182834614.html
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 10, 2020, 02:30:41 AM
Another report showing that you can catch Coronavirus whilst on a plane:

http://uk.yahoo.com/news/british-couple-contract-virus-flight-180805218.html

They then unknowingly spread it around their hotel in Vietnam presumably by touching surfaces around them.

Judging from this report the virus appears highly contagious and being in close proximity to someone with it might unfortunately be all that it takes.

Also appears that seven Britons also caught the virus on the flight just from that one infected passenger so shockingly highly contagious indeed.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: msmob on March 10, 2020, 04:14:09 AM
Another report showing that you can catch Coronavirus whilst on a plane:

http://uk.yahoo.com/news/british-couple-contract-virus-flight-180805218.html


You MAY be able to catch it from a fellow passenger - how does this article PROVE it .. ?


YOU are not a fan of Asiatic women so you'd not have WANTED to be near Ms Nga Nguyễn

(http://www.nguoi-viet.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/VN-Nga-Nguyen-London-fashion-show-AFP-030820.jpg)



Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: Faux Pas on March 10, 2020, 06:02:30 AM
Saw this today from a guy that is going through it, the first report I have come across about someone who is going through it. Down in thr comments section at the top of those comments is a person who has gone through it who said it was a month long fight. That supports my comment last night that some people are in for a long fight for life on this one and its not something that people necessarily get over with in a few days. It really seems to have knocked this 32 year old from New York for six, he is a non-smoker as well with no underlying health conditions:

http://uk.yahoo.com/news/every-day-getting-worse-coronavirus-182834614.html

There is so much shit out there now on the virus it's becoming increasingly difficult to separate the wheat from the chafe. Is it a serious issue? Yes, no doubt but the media blitz appears to be causing a panic by design. Why? Then there are those of you who are taking everything they hear as fact when it is not. Little to nothing in the media is designed or reported to help you. It's motive appears to drive your panic into full blown hysteria. Why? Don't be led like sheep to slaughter

This one appears to be tapering off. For the most of us this one isn't much to worry about. The next one we likely won't be so lucky

http://nypost.com/2020/03/08/coronavirus-going-to-hit-its-peak-and-start-falling-sooner-than-you-think/ (http://nypost.com/2020/03/08/coronavirus-going-to-hit-its-peak-and-start-falling-sooner-than-you-think/)

http://www.dailywire.com/news/dr-drew-on-coronavirus-media-hurting-people-need-to-be-held-accountable-for-causing-panic?itm_source=parsely-api%3Futm_content%3Dnews&utm_campaign=daily_shapiro&utm_medium=email&utm_source=housefile&_hsenc=p2ANqtz-8LbTMJ0aUEdu7Y2QfZBoeXdvXJGrNS4L3YQmpIOnL_WDKucy1iVkvP6xYoaP-DtB4wLP0Iyun_BAk5h9Ln-8k_lK-bsA&_hsmi=84493282 (http://www.dailywire.com/news/dr-drew-on-coronavirus-media-hurting-people-need-to-be-held-accountable-for-causing-panic?itm_source=parsely-api%3Futm_content%3Dnews&utm_campaign=daily_shapiro&utm_medium=email&utm_source=housefile&_hsenc=p2ANqtz-8LbTMJ0aUEdu7Y2QfZBoeXdvXJGrNS4L3YQmpIOnL_WDKucy1iVkvP6xYoaP-DtB4wLP0Iyun_BAk5h9Ln-8k_lK-bsA&_hsmi=84493282)
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: krimster2 on March 10, 2020, 06:31:10 AM
someone should be responsible for administering "bitch slaps" to Trumpists for when they become hysterical about dear leader...
SLAP!

Caution! Numbers!!!  requires thinking

3-8-20   7:57 PM      538 cases
3-9-20   7:40 pm      624 cases

see the total and rate of progression....
now look these numbers up on the Chinese and Italian graphs of numbers
and see where they correlate

also, once we start getting test kits instead of promises of them being there real soon now
watch the numbers blow up....

and then watch them REALLY blow up this flu season

yup, the odds of a specific individual getting the illness "this year" is low....
but a social financial meltdown is VERY HIGH!

this election will be about Trump's handling of the the virus vrs whatever BS Gulianai throws out about Biden's stuttering and Hillary's emails
and not much Trumpists can do about it, except go quietly into the night next year

the good news about the virus for Trumpists, is this...
after Trump's defeat at the hands of Marxist Leninist Democrats
you WON'T have to drink the Kool-Aid....
nope, the virus will relieve you of that burden
cuz, it's gonna drink you
and it's just sittin there lickin its tiny little lips
quivering with anticipation of meeting ya'll later this year

you all made your bed when you voted for dear leader
so when you start to feel bad
you can lay down in this bed
and have a little nap
sweet dreams
farewell
and in your final breath, exclaim "what about Hillary's emails... cough...cough..."
before embracing eternity

may gawd bless you, gesundheit, Amen
you will be in our prayers that we usually recite after a school shooting
but this prayer is for all you Trump voters....
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: Faux Pas on March 10, 2020, 06:52:59 AM
someone should be responsible for administering "bitch slaps" to Trumpists....
for when they become hysterical about dear leader...
SLAP!

Caution! Numbers!!!  requires thinking

3-8-20   7:57 PM      538 cases
3-9-20   7:40 pm      624 cases

see the total and rate of progression....
now look these numbers up on the Chinese and Italian graphs of numbers
and see where they correlate

also, once we start getting test kits instead of promises of them being there real soon now
watch the numbers blow up....

and then watch them REALLY blow up this flu season

yup, the odds of a specific individual getting the illness "this year" is low....
but a social financial meltdown is VERY HIGH!

this election will be about Trump's handling of the the virus vrs whatever BS Gulianai throws out about Biden and Hillary's emails
and not much Trumpists can do about it, except go quietly into the night next year

the good news about the virus for Trumpists, is this...
after Trump's defeat at the hands of Marxist Leninist Democrats
you WON'T have to drink the Kool-Aid....
nope, the virus will relieve you of that burden
cuz, it's gonna drink you
and it's just sittin there lickin its tiny little lips
quivering with anticipation of meeting ya'll later this year

I remember when you use to actually post well reasoned information. It was helpful and appreciated by most who read it.  How the mighty has fallen. Now, there's nothing more than useless dribble that develops in the dark recesses of your marijuana fogged mind wrapped in abscess of your over-inflated self worth surrounded by the misery that is you.

You've sucked into the panic lock, stock and barrel. You, as most mental midgets blame Trump. Your need to point fingers at Trump is as over whelming as your need to masturbate in the open streets when your little willy pokes out. You're pathetic Krim. Sober up, go run a few laps and put the crack pipe down. We miss you
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: krimster2 on March 10, 2020, 07:13:25 AM
ok... here is a true fact

I have not masturbated in over 20 years....
20 years...that's a gawd damned long time...
hand jobs...yes, I've had plenty!!!
but I've never gone solo in 20 years....

so.......
your insult doesn't work on me, sorry, I know you spent a lot of time on it, but a wasted effort...

look, you're frightened and confused, and I can see you came from an impoverished background with a matching dysfunctional family and childhood
and this has made you "butthurt", not sure if I'm using your vocabulary correctly, this is just my feeble attempt to speak your "jive"
which consists primarily of phallic and anal references
kinda like sayin "wussup my n^gger" to black folks

it must be difficult for you writing in a language where the lexicon consists mainly of synonyms of anus, and penis, masturbation, etc...
but this gives me a glimpse inside your mind...
it's fascinating to observe
because it tells me the kind of environment you lived and worked in

look behind you sir,
the sight you see, is Rome burning....
and YOU are the fiddle the emperor is playing...

Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: fathertime on March 10, 2020, 07:40:00 AM
Not hearing too much today about the latest numbers in the USA.   My daughter went out to get toilet paper yesterday, and all 4 stores didn't have any!  Not only did we not get to 'stock up' but we are actually almost out!  I'm considering selling some stuff and accepting toilet paper instead of dollars as payment.  :) 

Fathertime! 
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: Faux Pas on March 10, 2020, 09:17:53 AM
ok... here is a true fact

I have not masturbated in over 20 years....
20 years...that's a gawd damned long time...
hand jobs...yes, I've had plenty!!!
but I've never gone solo in 20 years....

so.......
your insult doesn't work on me, sorry, I know you spent a lot of time on it, but a wasted effort...

look, you're frightened and confused, and I can see you came from an impoverished background with a matching dysfunctional family and childhood
and this has made you "butthurt", not sure if I'm using your vocabulary correctly, this is just my feeble attempt to speak your "jive"
which consists primarily of phallic and anal references
kinda like sayin "wussup my n^gger" to black folks

it must be difficult for you writing in a language where the lexicon consists mainly of synonyms of anus, and penis, masturbation, etc...
but this gives me a glimpse inside your mind...
it's fascinating to observe
because it tells me the kind of environment you liveed and worked in

look behind you sir,
the sight you see, is Rome burning....
and YOU are the fiddle the emperor is playing...
a sad tune....

I spent no more time on my reply to you than typing it. You really don't require any thought krim. I know that disappoints you. Your innermost thoughts are on constant display for all to see. Makes me no difference how you medicate to get through the day. Your excuses carry no weight. You're not the only soul to see the brutal inhumanity of life. Whatever gets you through your day is fine by me. I've made no attempt to insult you. I'm just holding up the mirror for you to see. You've lost yourself. I hate to witness your spiral. You are correct in that Rome is burning. That's probably the only statement you've made in months with any validity
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: msmob on March 10, 2020, 09:31:53 AM
Krimster,

have you noticed how certain folk spend their time telling us how 'uninteresting' we are?  :popcorn:

Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 10, 2020, 10:12:09 AM
Well Italy is essentially under 'martial law' until a solution is found. Some reckon it's economy could contract by at least 3 percent (maybe more) that is huge and depending on how this plays out could mean the UK becomes Europe's second biggest economy.

It might be said that this virus is nature's way of balancing out the imbalance on the planet of the overpopulation of us humans. If if goes from hundreds of deaths to thousands and possibly millions it's not going to be pretty for us, it could be anyone of us that doesn't make it. I guess at least we're not in our teens and have lived a lot of our lives already. Still the preparation continues in the supermarkets today, young & old buying up the essentials.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: krimster2 on March 10, 2020, 10:18:48 AM
sir, your assumption about the amount of time I spent in the composition and typing of my previous post is absolutely NOT AT ALL accurate!
in reality, I spent much less time than you did in creating that post!
WHY?
because I'm a Machine Learning Expert, and I have a TensorFlow 2.0 LSTM voice recognition system of my own design
trained specifically on my voice to do speech recognition and type this in real time....
this system is far better than the Nuance Dragon Voice Recognition and Dictation System...
so based on your argument that the idiot is the one who spent the largest amount of time composing and typing their post
well sir, that would be YOU then...

so...
now who has the bigger penis, huh?
that would obviously be ME MFer!!!
now who's "butthurt"? (sorry, is it one word or two, computer says two...)

Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 10, 2020, 10:18:59 AM
Not hearing too much today about the latest numbers in the USA.   My daughter went out to get toilet paper yesterday, and all 4 stores didn't have any!  Not only did we not get to 'stock up' but we are actually almost out!  I'm considering selling some stuff and accepting toilet paper instead of dollars as payment.  :) 

Fathertime!

Same in the UK, my mother was able to get hold of a few last rolls of toilet paper in the morning, I visited two large supermarkets in the afternoon and both were completely sold out of toilet paper. A lot of kitchen roll had gone too, I'm thinking a lot of idiots bought kitchen roll hoping to use it instead of toilet paper without realising that it will just block up your toilet real quickly. My mother unfortunately is all too keen to move to the post WWII solution of using cut up newspaper instead :(

Fortunately I have stocked up a big supply of toilet paper that should last for months, maybe even a year. Sorry to hear you were a bit behind the curve on this one Fathertime.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: BC on March 10, 2020, 10:26:31 AM
Trench,

It's not martial law.  It's called being prudent, limiting time outside the home to necessities for a couple of weeks.  Wife went shopping this morning, stores allowing a limited number of folks in the store at one time to allow folks to keep some distance, no shortages.

It's also not 'until a solution is found'.  It is until the situation normalizes a bit and to keep from overburdening medical resources allowing those unfortunate enough to get it to be treated with the best possible care.  It won't halt the spread entirely, but hopefully, slow it down enough to keep things from getting too far out of hand.

Folks are adjusting their daily routines.  Some may grumble a bit, others may enjoy being together a bit more.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: BillyB on March 10, 2020, 10:28:38 AM
someone should be responsible for administering "bitch slaps" to Trumpists for when they become hysterical about dear leader...
SLAP!


People may see Trump as a hero during these trying times and we may need to change the rules and vote him in for a third term since solid, stable leadership is needed to defeat the mighty coronavirus.

My daughter went out to get toilet paper yesterday, and all 4 stores didn't have any!  Not only did we not get to 'stock up' but we are actually almost out!  I'm considering selling some stuff and accepting toilet paper instead of dollars as payment.  :) 


The reason I am not waiting in long lines and panicking is because after I read about the characteristics of the virus over a month ago, I didn't trust China's numbers and what media and governments were saying and went out and did all my shopping prior. I got a case of 48 rolls of toilet paper at home. Tell your daughter I'm selling them for $100 a roll.

The good news is in stressful times when food is scarce, we won't need toilet paper. Anybody seen that based on a true story movie Alive where the people in the plane crash was stuck on the mountain for over two months? They took one crap in that whole time they were up there and it was hard and dry. You will be amazed how fast the body will adapt during a time of stress to maintain 100% of the nutrients in the food you eat instead of crapping it away. When I was in the Army and did some non stop stressful war games playing in the desert of California and got little sleep, I crapped once during the two weeks of the war games. That never happened to me before but made me realize how fast my body went into survival mode for the situation I was in.

There's no reason to panic. We need to keep working knowing a certain amount of humans will be sacrificed for every wave of the virus that comes in. In regions or nations that are hit hard, they will endure hardships until they can control the spread but keep in mind, without a vaccine or getting eliminated off the face of the earth, the virus will be back again so we should get used to periodic quarantining for the rest of our lives. The little people like ourselves can't stop the virus but we can do our part to prevent spread. Governments will determine when and how quarantines need to happen.

If if goes from hundreds of deaths to thousands and possibly millions it's not going to be pretty for us, it could be anyone of us that doesn't make it. I guess at least we're not in our teens and have lived a lot of our lives already. Still the preparation continues in the supermarkets today, young & old buying up the essentials.


I have good news and bad news for you Trench. In an early study, China said two thirds of their recorded deaths were men. That is the bad news for you. The good new is if you survive, eventually there may be two women for every man on earth.

http://edition.cnn.com/asia/live-news/coronavirus-outbreak-02-04-20/h_105a9b1b3bd680a0533016b0e7f2a9ef

Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: krimster2 on March 10, 2020, 10:45:58 AM
"eventually there may be two women for every man on earth"


"two girls for every boy."
what "surf city for real"
damn, who knew the apocalypse was gonna be this cool, not this guy!
hahaha

AND YOU GUYS AREN'T HIGH?????
seriously WTF???????


 
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: BC on March 10, 2020, 10:57:42 AM
Just read an article about Germany, why the numbers are so low, especially the mortality rate which is a fraction of what it is in Italy.

Basically boils down to testing or lack thereof.  Italy, for example, is not only testing more, but also doing tests for folks that have died.  Germany is not doing so.

Spain also started doing testing of folks that died and confirmed a lot of suspected flu cases were Covid instead.

Countries that do more testing will have higher numbers of infections and a more accurate picture of what's really going on.

Don't let low numbers in your country deceive you.  Be prudent, especially if you are in the higher-risk category or you have contact with someone who is.

Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: BillyB on March 10, 2020, 11:26:38 AM
Don't let low numbers in your country deceive you.  Be prudent, especially if you are in the higher-risk category or you have contact with someone who is.

I'm glad you "get it" BC and know that you need to act accordingly to give yourself and your family the best chance to remain virus free. Stupid and ignorant people are more likely to die. It's our government's job to prevent panic since panic can do more damage than the virus. Even the media isn't stating how dangerous this virus is and their low mortality rates are based on what government organizations are telling them to report.

Italy has now updated their numbers and report 631 people have died to 724 recoveries. The sample pool in Italy is large enough to have merit and Italy is telling a different story of what China is telling pertaining to the ratio of dead to those who beat the virus.

Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: krimster2 on March 10, 2020, 11:48:56 AM
yes, here in the USA we have barely done any testing only promises of testing real soon now...
once this starts, the numbers will explode
it implies there is a vastly larger pool of locally infected people
that is currently in the USA growing by about 20% per day

the question is, how much will this slow down, between now and the start of flu season?
and how fast this will grow in November and December
if this hits exponential then in a day it'll double to an amount that took months to obtain
then double again the next day
then again
then again


Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: fathertime on March 10, 2020, 12:00:16 PM
Same in the UK, my mother was able to get hold of a few last rolls of toilet paper in the morning, I visited two large supermarkets in the afternoon and both were completely sold out of toilet paper. A lot of kitchen roll had gone too, I'm thinking a lot of idiots bought kitchen roll hoping to use it instead of toilet paper without realising that it will just block up your toilet real quickly. My mother unfortunately is all too keen to move to the post WWII solution of using cut up newspaper instead :(

Fortunately I have stocked up a big supply of toilet paper that should last for months, maybe even a year. Sorry to hear you were a bit behind the curve on this one Fathertime.
Hehe, glad to hear you are all stocked up, turns out if I need any TP billyb will sell for $100 a roll so I'm ok. 

I decided to take a few moments and go to a little supermarket called Aldi this morning with wife.   Believe it or not,  I found toilet paper. it was a 12 pack with a limit of 2 per person.  I bought only one. 
Interestingly, we needed little bottled waters for our son at school, there was a pallet left, the employee was wheeling toward the back of the supermarket warehouse, but let me take one.  Turns out she took that and another pallet of big bottles of water.  I asked where is that going? She said, The staff break room because they are almost  out.   That seemed like  lot of water for a staff breakroom.   Interesting.     

Overall the supermarket was fairly well stocked, aside from the water, the other shoppers didn't appear to be panic stricken.  Almost seemed like a normal day aside from the TP limitations and the water being carted away. 

Fathertime! 
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: krimster2 on March 10, 2020, 12:19:24 PM
how many rednecks who voted for Trump, are gonna get laid off in the depression?
the answer my friend, is blowin in the wind, the answer is blowin in the wind

and how many rednecks who lose their jobs, are gonna lose their health insurance to?
the answer my friend, is blowin in the wind, the answer is blowin in the wind

and how many of those uninsured, will contract and die of covid-19?
the answer my friend, is... what? that many? are you freaking serious?

Peace Man
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: msmob on March 10, 2020, 12:19:55 PM
Another report showing that you can catch Coronavirus whilst on a plane:

http://uk.yahoo.com/news/british-couple-contract-virus-flight-180805218.html

Another piece of Trench scaremongering busted?..


BBC News - Coronavirus: What's the risk of flying or taking the train?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-51736185

 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-51736185)

It's a common belief that you are more likely to become ill on an aeroplane, because you're breathing "stale" air.

  In fact, the air on a plane may well be better quality than in the average office (and almost certainly better than a train or a bus).

There are more people per square foot on a busy plane, which can increase the risk, but the air is also being changed at a faster rate.

Professor Quingyan Chen at Purdue University, who studies air quality in different passenger vehicles, estimates that the air on a plane is completely replaced every 2-3 minutes, compared with every 10-12 minutes in an air-conditioned building.

The filter sucks in fresh air from outside and mixes it with the air already in the cabin, meaning that at any one time half the air is fresh and half is not. Many ordinary air-conditioning systems merely re-circulate the same air to save energy.

So, our Trench is more at risk during his commute.

BTW: I ordered a pack of 24 Toilet rolls with our usual shop..

No problem.... We were down to 4 and only Spivs and greedy folk are stupid enough to buy more..





Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: krimster2 on March 10, 2020, 12:29:13 PM
if t'were merely a function of air flow, I'd tend to agree...
but it may not be...
it may be based more on physical proximity to an infected person
than the flow of air around them

and if an infected person is actively "shedding" virus or not

so, Italia has a 1 week voluntary self-quarantine...
hmmm...
how long before it ain't so "voluntary"

what happens when every freakin time you get on a plane
you have to prove you're not sick
and every freakin time you get off a plane
you have to prove you're not sick

how many freakin times will you get on a plane
assuming you can get on one


PS, Russians are NOT paying me to write this!!
and they certainly wouldn't pay me based on the number of replies I get to my posts
nor the number of readers in threads that I post to

but yeah, OK, OK I shorted United when it was at 87 a share, so what?
it's called capitalism, if you don't like it vote for Bernie!



Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: jone on March 10, 2020, 12:46:54 PM
http://tinyurl.com/w58hga6

I watched the above interview and found it entirely credible.   Better than people running around pulling out their hair.   (I don't have a ton of hair to pull out, so it is relative.)

Watch the interview than comment on it.   I found it to be a breath of uninfected air.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: BillyB on March 10, 2020, 12:53:52 PM
yes, here in the USA we have barely done any testing only promises of testing real soon now...


Testing is happening right now in the most infected county in America. I know a guy who knows a woman that got tested and results back quickly. It was concluded she had an upper respiratory infection.

Italy has 631 dead. Based on how many are dead in King County and it's much smaller population, if I multiply the population to equal Italy's population, we'd have 632 dead right now.


BBC News - Coronavirus: What's the risk of flying or taking the train?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-51736185

 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-51736185)


Article probably paid for by public and private transportation. The first sentence is "It's not yet known exactly how coronavirus spreads" then the journalists tries to present experts that tell us air on a plane is cleaner than your living room. Lol
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: msmob on March 10, 2020, 01:07:44 PM
The Journalist is quoting someone better qualified than you or I, Silly BillyB

An article for 'proud', selfish and unthinking hoarders...

http://tinyurl.com/t9dvbje
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: BillyB on March 10, 2020, 01:27:04 PM
The Journalist is quoting someone better qualified than you or I, Silly BillyB


The journalist is manipulative. If an expert tells me the air on an airplane is cleaner than the air in my living room, I believe them 100%. But if I was told a person with an infectious disease is on the plane, I'd choose to stay home and breathe living room air and I'll offer you my seat on the plane since you're not concerned about getting infected.

One out of every 6000 Italians have the virus. Flights there are being cancelled but by all means, call up the airline industry and show them the article you're showing us to prove there's no risk.

http://tinyurl.com/ss7aubc
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 10, 2020, 01:29:13 PM

I have good news and bad news for you Trench. In an early study, China said two thirds of their recorded deaths were men. That is the bad news for you. The good new is if you survive, eventually there may be two women for every man on earth.



Yep I have seen those figures too, I think Italy has similar figures.

If I get through this I won't at all mind being raped by a group of hot chicks, the moment a fat girl tries it on I promise you I'll go squealing to 'Metoo' as fast as my legs if they are still working can carry me!
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 10, 2020, 01:41:51 PM
Another piece of Trench scaremongering busted?..


BBC News - Coronavirus: What's the risk of flying or taking the train?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-51736185

 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-51736185)

It's a common belief that you are more likely to become ill on an aeroplane, because you're breathing "stale" air.

  In fact, the air on a plane may well be better quality than in the average office (and almost certainly better than a train or a bus).

There are more people per square foot on a busy plane, which can increase the risk, but the air is also being changed at a faster rate.

Professor Quingyan Chen at Purdue University, who studies air quality in different passenger vehicles, estimates that the air on a plane is completely replaced every 2-3 minutes, compared with every 10-12 minutes in an air-conditioned building.

The filter sucks in fresh air from outside and mixes it with the air already in the cabin, meaning that at any one time half the air is fresh and half is not. Many ordinary air-conditioning systems merely re-circulate the same air to save energy.

So, our Trench is more at risk during his commute.

BTW: I ordered a pack of 24 Toilet rolls with our usual shop..

No problem.... We were down to 4 and only Spivs and greedy folk are stupid enough to buy more..

Ah, yet more advice from the 'experts' we've seen how much stock to place in their advice before now haven't we Mobers ;)

An expert was on the BBC this evening telling viewers 'food prepared by someone else who may have the virus is safe, there is no evidence to suggest you can get the virus by eating food prepared by someone with the virus, though there have been no conclusive tests on this' - a shorter response would be for her to say, 'I don't know so I won't try and suggest it is ok'. Though of course the Restaurant trade is one area they won't want to collapse as well, better stupid people catch it and risk catching it than that happen. Myself I decided to go out last week and eat my last KFC and McDonald's double cheeseburger until this virus is over, and last eat out at any restaurant in fact. I don't eat out much any way or have much fast food but now hat will be the last for quite some time.

All these people that own restaurants I pity for them, but their'll be just another casualty of this virus, economically speaking.

I believe in the old, 'be prepared' adage, it is the intelligent thing to do, that is why I have over 60 toilet rolls stored up Mobers :))
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: krimster2 on March 10, 2020, 03:11:05 PM
misogyny will become popular once more!
why?
because we can get away with it now...

feminism is gonna be over REAL FAST fellas
cuz next year
the wimmin are all gonna want big strong men to protect them...
not little wimpy guys who are PC and PW'd

and I am just too damn sexy for my own good
this is really gonna cause me some problems...

the best solution, is to get the prettiest woman you can find,  to hang on your arm, and stare at you adoringly
and she'll keep the lesser ones away from you...
OTOH, if another does challenge her and replace her
you're the benefactor as well...

just live for today fellas

we're all gonna have some tough choices to make
my family and I are probably going to separate this year and live in different countries....
and I know that in the near future, it will be very difficult for us to ever see each other again
and that there is a chance,
that we may not...
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: krimster2 on March 10, 2020, 03:40:41 PM
the toast you smell burning in the oven is called civilization...
remember it while you still can
you guys in denial are gonna REALLY be surprised SOON!!!!
watch what happens when the banks run out of cash!!!
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: tfcrew on March 10, 2020, 03:52:41 PM
Just heard....today it showed up in N Texas
Coronavirus in Texas (http://www.texastribune.org/series/coronavirus-texas-cases-san-antonio/)
Quote
Five new Texas coronavirus cases include Collin County child and a Montgomery County man whose travel is being investigatedThe 3-year-old is among the youngest patients in the U.S. to have tested positive for COVID-19, the disease caused by the new coronavirus. Montgomery County officials declined to comment on whether a patient there was exposed during travel.
 
http://www.texastribune.org/2020/03/10/frisco-texas-man-spreads-coronavirus-wife-and-child/
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: jone on March 10, 2020, 04:10:39 PM
I heard some law firms in Washington have come down with Corona Virus.   They were investigating all of the buried indictments of Trump when they contracted the disease.   I know its not public news yet.   But I heard it because my father once worked there.

Give us all a break, Krimster.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: Gator on March 10, 2020, 04:18:27 PM
...I spent much less time than you did in creating that post!
WHY?
because I'm a Machine Learning Expert, and I have a TensorFlow 2.0 LSTM voice recognition system of my own design...



Now I understand why you post so much nonsense.  Freewriting from an emotionally driven brain in panic mode.   

Stream of consciousness is complex and can be engrossing.   Ulysses is difficult to read yet enjoyable.  James Joyce you ain't.    And it hurts when you venture into the field of science to rationalize your wacky thoughts.

My recommendation:  Your TensoFlow needs a dose or two of lomotil, plus probiotics for life.     
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: tfcrew on March 10, 2020, 04:28:13 PM
Why did we need another thread on this stuff anyway?
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: Gator on March 10, 2020, 04:33:14 PM
To reveal the elevated anxiety of some of our members. 
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 10, 2020, 05:22:39 PM
Why did we need another thread on this stuff anyway?

Because Mobe wanted to talk instead about the far less pressing issue of migrants trying to get from Turkey to Greece rather than focus on the one sole issue on most peoples minds.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: BillyB on March 10, 2020, 05:29:07 PM
Why did we need another thread on this stuff anyway?

"You can never get enough coronavirus" COVID-19 once said. I'm glad Trench started this. His question about how we are preparing and how's it affecting members here are good ones. Since it showed up in N Texas, we'll be needing your daily reports. You stocked up on toilet paper?

Twice I said in Gator's virus thread it should be moved to the Odds and Ends section where more people will read it. It should've gotten more exposure due to the seriousness of the developing situation. Oh well, less people know about the upcoming danger, more toilet paper for me.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: IvanM07 on March 10, 2020, 05:41:09 PM
They Declared a State of Emergency here in NC. Mostly just for those Federal Dollars to be available. There were 2 separate cases in Raleigh and Wake County, Yesterday I read an SC man came through Charlotte Airport from Italy and confirmed he had it the next day. They've been giving updates in work email every few days. Probably at the end of the week or start of next week they'll have us working from home. Guess I'll drive back to Texas to spend a few weeks with my family so I can't complain.

As for preparing, A month ago we bought 18 Rolls of TP and another 12 of Brawny paper towels, but that was more due to being out of TP and Paper towels. I think the last rolls lasted almost a year or so. The paper towels on the other hand with having a Doberman still training, about 2 Months.

We bought a few cases of Food, mostly canned food/fruit, Peanut Butter, Jerky, stuff like that. I thought we were good but he started freaking out with the news and bought 6 cases of new Military MRE's, the Expiration is 9.5 years from now.  :ROFL:

We were going to go Shooting at the Range this weekend and bought some plinking ammo, regular 5.56 55gr FMJ, and they were almost out of brass, but tons of Steel at Academy so I guess people are stocking up on that too.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 10, 2020, 06:01:13 PM
the toast you smell burning in the oven is called civilization...
remember it while you still can
you guys in denial are gonna REALLY be surprised SOON!!!!
watch what happens when the banks run out of cash!!!

Indeed Krim, there is no doubt a race against time afoot. Some solution such as a vaccine or method or controlling the spread of the virus successfully needs to be found before societal breakdown occurs country by country.

2020 for me started of being on a very different thread for me than previous years for many reasons. For other members too perhaps. Then Caronavirus pops up to turn matters on their head even more. Who would have thought we would be even talking about this stuff at the start of a new decade, it sereal to say the least.

The Caronavirus turns most peoples lives upside down whether we like it or not. It makes visiting and dating FSW very difficult and all other plans we might have made or have decided upon.

Every morning I wake up and it dawns on me the terrible situation we are in that is unfolding before our very eyes. In fairness other periods of time have had there own crises. Think the Cuban missile crisis & the nuclear threat, the black death plague, millions killed in WWII, being stuck in the trenches in misery in WWI, etc. The lives lost so far pale in comparison to all of that but it could all get worse soon.

Scientists reckon they could have a vaccine within a year , but will many societies hold together even that long? I myself work in a workplace where I am near others, not really near and not loads of people but people are fairly near me. If/when the virus spreads how long do I go before I call it quits, call in sick, etc? How long until do most people do this thereby causing a collapse in society & a self fulfilling prophecy?

Will people panic and take money out in cash risking instability in the banking sector that governments may not be able to cover? Or will they leave money in the banks rather than risk handling potentially dirty money? Will money continue to be of value or valueless globally?

These are many questions that may start to enter people's minds as time wears on. Scientists & society are in a race against time to find a solution to the virus.

Myself I think we need an upheaval in the way we go about life today. All the mechanisms exist to change to a different model, we just need to have the boldness to act on it. We need to bring forward modes of working and living that we were gradually moving towards and bring them into reality today much sooner than would have been the case.

We need to automate our grocery supplies like Amazon automates it warehouse products. We need to recognise where formal touching each other in daily interaction is taking place and work to eliminate it. Instead of offering drinks to guests and risk germs being past back and forth we should tell guests to help themselves to a drink and get it themself, etc.

I personally think that we have become too stuck in our ways to deal with these old notions and conventions. It may only be a matter of time before society as we know it falls apart. Once workers start quoting the workplace in favour of their own safety a trickle may become an unstoppable flood and a permanent loss of productivity that is irreversible and leads to the collapse of societies.

How people cope and manage if this occurs is another matter. Those that have passed away so far may have been spared enduring a different reality to what we have known. To some extent society has been very predictable and perhaps stiffeling in the drawn out boundaries it imposes in its citizens. We may come to wish for then or be glad to see untethered possiblities & freedom in a chaotic world. We will just have to wait and see how far this virus threat pushes society until it becomes too much and then only be able to be observers to what unfolds perhaps.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: krimster2 on March 10, 2020, 06:13:07 PM
NO!!! listen to me!!!!

LOOK!!!

Date       Total Infected       New Cases
3-8-20    538                     103    
3-9-20    624                     83
3-10-20  975                     271

this means that less than a week from now, we will be where Italy is right now...
at that point, most public schools and universities will begin stopping in person classes....
and there will be some level of quarantine in most places....
and then week by week more and more dominoes are gonna fall...

just a god damned week from now, do the math yourself
look at those numbers do the math yourselves, god damn it!

this is happening because WE WEREN'T TESTING!!!
a few days ago CDC stopped counting the tests it was doing and updating on its website
because the number wasn't changing, and when people asked why, they just took the number down
because they weren't testing in volume until today
and now we're gonna find out that there is huge number of infected people, much more than we thought
and growing FAST!

it's all gonna CRASH baby!!!
all of it!


Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: BillyB on March 10, 2020, 06:18:18 PM
We need to recognise where formal touching each other in daily interaction is taking place and work to eliminate it. Instead of offering drinks to guests and risk germs being past back and forth we should tell guests to help themselves to a drink and get it themself, etc.


Don't worry Trench, they are already working on a solution that will make even sex touch free. I saw the future in a movie where a young horny Sandra Bullock asks Sylvester Stallone to have sex. Warning, all scenes will be appropriate.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k80UQWWUIYs
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 10, 2020, 06:18:40 PM

We were going to go Shooting at the Range this weekend and bought some plinking ammo, regular 5.56 55gr FMJ, and they were almost out of brass, but tons of Steel at Academy so I guess people are stocking up on that too.

The US is different to the UK, here we are not generally allowed firearms, so the Military & the Police hold complete monopoly over us. That said would they bring about a coup d'etat if matters went on long enough, would they remain a cohesive whole, etc?

In the US citizens can bear arms but the greater power still lies in primarily the Military and secondly the Police, one or both are likely to have access to greater firepower over a sustained period and of course numbers.

I still say I talk is in a state of virtual martial law despite comments by other earlier posters. Perhaps to stop the potential for looting and chaos on the streets.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: IvanM07 on March 10, 2020, 06:27:24 PM
The US is different to the UK, here we are not generally allowed firearms, so the Military & the Police hold complete monopoly over us. That said would they bring about a coup d'etat if matters went on long enough, would they remain a cohesive whole, etc?

In the US citizens can bear arms but the greater power still lies in primarily the Military and secondly the Police, one or both are likely to have access to greater firepower over a sustained period and of course numbers.

I still say I talk is in a state of virtual martial law despite comments by other earlier posters. Perhaps to stop the potential for looting and chaos on the streets.

The Military and Police certainly have the upper hand, but you can see the effect that just standing up has here. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bundy_standoff

I think the guy was wrong but a militia stared down the Feds and they backed down. One on One though, they definitely could overrun anything (most) any civilian has. Not that I think this is even close to that happening.

If anything gets that bad that the people want to revolt against police even the Police and Military would be fragmented I would think, with varying factions for and against the people vs what is best for them.

The more likely scenario though is First Responders and Military are overwhelmed. In the 90s there were the LA Riots. The worst hit regions were looted, burned, and mugged. However I remember watching a documentary showing Koreatown didn't. Why?

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/koreatown-twenty-six-years-ago-the-guns-of-the-l-a-riots/

The shopkeeps banded together and they protected what was theirs, and more power to them as far as I'm concerned. That's what I really think more people are buying ammo for. In case someone tries to mug or loot their home or vehicle.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 10, 2020, 06:28:56 PM
NO!!! listen to me!!!!

LOOK!!!

Date       Total Infected       New Cases
3-8-20    538                     103    
3-9-20    624                     83
3-10-20  975                     271

this means that less than a week from now, we will be where Italy is right now...
at that point, most public schools and universities will begin stopping in person classes....
and there will be some level of quarantine in most places....
and then week by week more and more dominoes are gonna fall...

just a god damned week from now, do the math yourself
look at those numbers do the math yourselves, god damn it!

this is happening because WE WEREN'T TESTING!!!
a few days ago CDC stopped counting the tests it was doing and updating on its website
because the number wasn't changing, and when people asked why, they just took the number down
because they weren't testing in volume until today
and now we're gonna find out that there is huge number of infected people, much more than we thought
and growing FAST!

I think you're probably right Krim, here we are all carrying on like its daily life as usual but its all likely a charade. I fear too that we are talking 1-2 weeks and we will be where Italy is. Italy is in a depressing situation. We see it on the news. One woman in northern Italy said that all she hears all day is the sound of Ambulance sirens, that's it! :( That's the grim reality.

I'm not sure if we are keeping it in check at all here in the UK, we might be buying ourselves a few extra days, maybe a week or so but I think the Italy scenario is inevitable. How long they can maintain control in such a situation is unclear. The Soviet Union lasted a long time using a controlled state system. We will just have to keep looking at Italy as at least we have a view to the likely future for ourselves that way. For Italians they are living it at the forefront of it all.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: IvanM07 on March 10, 2020, 06:31:20 PM
NO!!! listen to me!!!!

LOOK!!!

Date       Total Infected       New Cases
3-8-20    538                     103    
3-9-20    624                     83
3-10-20  975                     271

this means that less than a week from now, we will be where Italy is right now...
at that point, most public schools and universities will begin stopping in person classes....
and there will be some level of quarantine in most places....
and then week by week more and more dominoes are gonna fall...

just a god damned week from now, do the math yourself
look at those numbers do the math yourselves, god damn it!

Fast forward a few weeks, do we get to the point of society where Road Warrior is the new norm? Because if it is....I'm all for it!

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Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: krimster2 on March 10, 2020, 06:56:00 PM
yes Humungus!
you can come out and play

but before that deal with the plague, the depression, the wars
that are coming....

then you can play
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: tfcrew on March 10, 2020, 07:02:27 PM
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Coronavirus Live Updates: British Health Minister Has Virus; No Audience for Next Democratic Debate
http://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/10/world/coronavirus-news.html
Sorry if re-posting
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: krimster2 on March 10, 2020, 08:02:04 PM
so...

one of two things will happen this week...
either way, the total number of infected is going to rise sharply in the USA from its current level of 1,000+....

scenario 1
the sharp increase in the number of cases is because testing has revealed that there are more cases than were previously being detected without testing! duh!
and so after a few days of having a “bump” to play “catchup”

it then goes back down to 20 to 25% increase in infections per day and then as the weather warms
starts to drop even further....

but by the end of the month, we will end up with at least as many cases as Italy has now
which means there are going to be some BIG changes going on
in USA society by then!!
we're talking just at the end of this month!

scenario 2
this is the beginning of the “exponential phase”
in a few days the rate of increase in daily infections will rise to above 50% increase per day
and we will stay at this rate for a while...

this would be alarming, because this could only happen in the winter in wuhan
and it would be happening now in warmer weather here
which means in November we will have Wuhan

easily have a 100,000+ infected
whole economy shut down and on life support...
and then in one day it doubles!!!
and then again, because you're at PEAK SEASON now!!!

and this is ONLY the first year....
getting the picture?

millions....

then tens of millions....

every year

with totally new strains every couple of years
competing with older ones
and you can get them both....

and the flu infection rate has also doubled at the same time....

getting it yet?  what this winter is gonna be like?

will it be this year or next year that the entire medical system breaks down here?
as well as the whole damned economy

you guys seriously, don't "get it" yet do ya?

also dumb phuques...
please pay attention to what I'm about to tell you...

the party of Trump is doing its best to spin this as a "nothing burger"
as usual, you dumb asses are getting played by them...
but tell me, why don't THEY want YOU to panic
when at the same time, THEY obviously ARE in full-court hysterical panic!
and putting all their efforts into brainwashing you
and NOT actually trying to protect you
why?
what does that tell you what it is they really care about
you?
or your vote?
do you understand the difference, the distinction?
don't you see the basic truth of my words to you
my plea to you actually to just open your eyes and see what's
right in front of you!

don't stick your head in the sand like party of Trump wants you to
start preparing and try to save yourself and your family
NOW!

because once everyone starts to figure out what I'm telling you NOW
in a couple of weeks
YOU WILL start to see panic
and life is going to slowly become harder and harder


and dumb phuques...
especially those with kids...
how are you going to feel this winter when you kid starts coughing?
thought about that?



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Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: BC on March 10, 2020, 08:28:08 PM
I still say I talk is in a state of virtual martial law despite comments by other earlier posters. Perhaps to stop the potential for looting and chaos on the streets.

Again, here you go fearmongering.  Looting and chaos on the streets start with folks like you that post such bullshit. It's almost like you desire the chaos to justify the few rolls of extra TP in your possession, just waiting for women to knock on your door so you can finally get a piece of the action.

In 'red zones' where cases first appeared and containment efforts started, no new cases were reported.  The hospitals in Milan are reporting that despite obvious stresses at medical facilities no one that needed it had to go without intensive respiratory treatment.  Here where the number of cases is still low a large number of intensive care beds were added, around 200 and still growing most remain empty but ready if needed with many more hundreds of beds are available for those newly infected that don't need intensive treatment.  Smaller hospitals that were closed some time ago have reopened.

All remains calm with the vast majority of the population complying with restrictions.  There are no riots in the general population (some rowdy jails did have problems since family visits were cancelled) There is no looting.

I must say that I initially thought all of this was a bit overdoing it (in comparison to other countries) but only little more than a week later must say that all signs point to the measures being effective and prudent.  Despite my doubts that Italians had the wherewithal to pull something like this off, efforts and results have been quite impressive.  Due to age I border on the low end of the higher risk group and do feel safer because of it.  I worry more about my parents who live elsewhere.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: BC on March 10, 2020, 09:08:06 PM
Italy has now updated their numbers and report 631 people have died to 724 recoveries. The sample pool in Italy is large enough to have merit and Italy is telling a different story of what China is telling pertaining to the ratio of dead to those who beat the virus.

Billy, I disagree.

The numbers in China are similar to what we are experiencing in Italy.  The timeline and rate of reported infections is very similar.  What is dissimilar is that China did much more testing than even here despite having to develop, produce and distribute tests in the first place.  In the end, I'm confident that when all the numbers are crunched mortality rates will be much the same here as what China reported.  You need to consider the time factor as well.  The situation in China is stabilizing whereas here we seem to be mid-cycle where infections are still on the upswing in new areas.  Most folks that are tested here are those that have at least some initial symptoms.

It all comes down to testing.  If it is not being done it's sorta like driving your car with a broken gas gauge.  Never know how much gas is in the tank.  China did more tests in a day than the US in a month.  That is their advantage.  They had not only enough 'test kits' which are really only plastic tubes and swabs but the laboratory capacity as well to run the tests before the samples expired.  CDC has the capacity to run less than 500 tests per day.  US testing is a lengthy process that can take days until results are available. Meanwhile, China has quickly developed tests that give results much faster and without the need for more expensive and time-consuming testing equipment.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/faulty-covid-19-test-kits-tilt-scales-in-coronaviruss-favor/ar-BB10HC4s
http://www.biocentury.com/article/304545/who-china-makes-and-deploys-1-6-million-covid-19-tests-week-the-u-s-is-just-starting-to-ramp-up-capacity
http://www.ecns.cn/news/society/2020-02-15/detail-ifztrmvi9818594.shtml
http://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/10/coronavirus-testing-lab-materials-shortage-125212
 
Added:

Demographics may be the most significant role in mortality rates for Italy which is significantly higher than in China, mainly due to much higher life expectancy M/F 81/86 in Italy, 75/79 CN, 76/81 US

Quote
In Italy, nearly a quarter of the population is more than 65 years old. In the U.S., only 16% is. In China, 11%.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/italy-has-an-old-population-thats-why-so-many-are-dying-from-coronavirus-there

One would expect the mortality rate in the US to lie somewhere in between, more in line with figures from China.


Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: fathertime on March 10, 2020, 09:57:00 PM
  China did more tests in a day than the US in a month.  That is their advantage.  They had not only enough 'test kits' which are really only plastic tubes and swabs but the laboratory capacity as well to run the tests before the samples expired.  CDC has the capacity to run less than 500 tests per day.  US testing is a lengthy process that can take days until results are available. Meanwhile, China has quickly developed tests that give results much faster and without the need for more expensive and time-consuming testing equipment.
and all we hear from the patriots here is how inferior china is...yet they can get the job done and we can not...and now we are the ones paying ransom for TP from the likes of the 'evil' and capitalistic trenchcoat.  by next week he will have a line of women offering anything for his prized toilet paper, which if he were smart he would offer to sell by the foot only, to keep them coming back for more. 

Fathertime! 
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: msmob on March 10, 2020, 10:01:43 PM
For all those proudly posting they're 'stocked up'..

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/mar/10/as-coronavirus-spreads-i-am-terrified-that-australias-fear-and-greed-could-cost-my-son-his-life (http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/mar/10/as-coronavirus-spreads-i-am-terrified-that-australias-fear-and-greed-could-cost-my-son-his-life)

"Stockpiling essential supplies and ignoring quarantine advice can have deadly consequences for the most vulnerable among us"

Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: IvanM07 on March 10, 2020, 10:19:09 PM
Being that most of us stocked up a month ago when this was widely proclaimed by those with firsthand accounts from doctors that this was no worse than the flu I hardly see how that applies to anyone on this board.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: msmob on March 10, 2020, 10:25:08 PM
Being that most of us stocked up a month ago when this was widely proclaimed by those with firsthand accounts from doctors that this was no worse than the flu I hardly see how that applies to anyone on this board.

Then you may be exactly the type of contributor I had in mind ..... 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/business-51823128/coronavirus-don-t-panic-be-community-minded-says-loo-roll-boss (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/business-51823128/coronavirus-don-t-panic-be-community-minded-says-loo-roll-boss)

Saw the above article on the state of UK toilet roll supply and thought of Trench and his family ..
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: IvanM07 on March 10, 2020, 10:29:10 PM
Then you may be exactly the type of contributor I had in mind ..... 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/business-51823128/coronavirus-don-t-panic-be-community-minded-says-loo-roll-boss (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/business-51823128/coronavirus-don-t-panic-be-community-minded-says-loo-roll-boss)

Saw the above article on the state of UK toilet roll supply and thought of Trench and his family ..

Didn't know they had toilet paper issues a month ago. Were they sending that message by carrier pidgeon?

Glad they could tell us now. I promise not to buy any more toilet paper for the good of the people  :-*

At least until this 18 rolls turns out, so maybe a year.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: BillyB on March 10, 2020, 10:56:30 PM
Billy, I disagree.

The numbers in China are similar to what we are experiencing in Italy.  The timeline and rate of reported infections is very similar.


I've watch the John Hopkins reporting from the beginning and China never reported the same way Italy is reporting. Italy currently reports 631 dead and 724 recoveries. China currently reports 3162 dead and 61,559 recoveries which means they are much more immune to the virus compared to Italians. I seriously doubt it. When China had around 600 deaths like Italy has currently, they reported around 11,000 recoveries.

China had this virus longer than Italy and has just over 80k infections. Italy has just over 8k infections. China has 23 times the population yet they have just 10 times more infection than Italy. China has massively under reported what was going on in their country. One out of every 6000 Italians is infected. One out of every 17,284 Chinese is infected. Based on the amount of time the virus ran around China, China should be worse off but instead Italians are infected at near 3 times the rate the Chinese are. Heck, the county I live in is infected at a higher rate than China per person.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 11, 2020, 02:44:58 AM
I've watch the John Hopkins reporting from the beginning and China never reported the same way Italy is reporting. Italy currently reports 631 dead and 724 recoveries.

Indeed, in this country I notice the news service reported these figures I guess to let it start seeping out the actual mortality to survival rate probably so they aren't accused later of covering it up as the WHO have done so far.

So it's roughly one third died, two thirds lived. Matters could be worse but it's still a shockingly high mortality rate especially when put against the 1-2 percent mortality rate the WHO were originally trying to make out. I'm not sure if people really caught on that much here as they only briefly reported it and didn't go into any lengthy analysis of the figures at all.

I'm thinking a lot of people are still thinking those deaths were nearly all elderly with underlying health conditions. Many probably were but there could be a range of ages in there. They don't seem to be coming forward with any statistical breakdown of who died by age group and any statistics of how many who died had existing health problems. If they did I think a lot more people would be panicking.

I think also at the moment as the numbers that are infected are still quite small people are focusing on that rather than any long term situation of mass infection/society collapsing. I think most are just trying to get on with life as normal and hope the finger of fate doesn't land on them. At the moment the odds of that are still very low in the UK, but obviously it falls on some people each day. So it's still a few hundred in a population of nearly 68 Million.

I don't see that a societal breakdown would be a place that many people would want to be. It would make living worse than the present situation. How long we go on working until time out is called and the state quarentines the country in lockdown and self isolates everyone I don't know. I imagine in Italy some people still work to keep the lights on such as delivery drivers, supermarket workers, etc. Until they call time out most of us are just living with the risk however small of catching the virus yet many of us can only go without an income for so long and businesses & the government can only go on so long with minimal trade going on.

There seems to be two ways this virus will end.

1). A vaccine will be produced and eventually distributed.

2). It will run out of steam either having infected a lot of people and/or quarentining reducing reducing those available to infect.

A vaccine is probably at least a few months away, six months probably or more to a year or so. Odds are we will get lockdown before then and I'm guessing they will try to reduce it spreading till a vaccine comes out and use s combination of both of the above.

I reckon when they force people to stay at home in lockdown that is when the economic process of doing things will change in this country. Employers will be forced to allow employees to work from home in a trade is better than no trade situation. At the moment I don't think many are bothering as they don't want the disruption to their normal ways of working. Over time those that can't work from home will be allowed to go back to work once the numbers of infected tail off as they won't be able to keep up keeping everyone away from work indefinitely. The risk will then just be there until everyone gets vaccination then the whole matter will be concluded I reckon. It will probably drag in a while before everyone gets the vaccine so probably a good 18 months or so for us to endure all of this I'm thinking.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 11, 2020, 02:57:54 AM
Then you may be exactly the type of contributor I had in mind ..... 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/business-51823128/coronavirus-don-t-panic-be-community-minded-says-loo-roll-boss (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/business-51823128/coronavirus-don-t-panic-be-community-minded-says-loo-roll-boss)

Saw the above article on the state of UK toilet roll supply and thought of Trench and his family ..

Your not thinking deeper than what they tell you in the article Mobers. Yes in theory they can supply all that is needed and more so, but the government is probably going to go into lockdown at some point in the UK and/or reduce the numbers of people working. So how is that going to affect supply? It is likely to go down, it may not, it will depend on how many are allowed to keep up working. If the government does not go into lockdown and the situation becomes worse then it comes down to how many people will call in sick either because they are or more likely because they don't want to take the risk and would rather make sure themselves and their family are safe and at least risk. Many people if push comes to shove will look to safeguard their way of life rather than ending up in a miserable situation.

Toilet roll is not the most pressing item as it can be substituted with newspaper (not that there is as much of that as there once was), leaves from the garden, etc. It all a case of whether you want to take the risk that you may be wiping your behind and it not feeling too great Mobers :)
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 11, 2020, 03:08:01 AM
For all those proudly posting they're 'stocked up'..

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/mar/10/as-coronavirus-spreads-i-am-terrified-that-australias-fear-and-greed-could-cost-my-son-his-life (http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/mar/10/as-coronavirus-spreads-i-am-terrified-that-australias-fear-and-greed-could-cost-my-son-his-life)

"Stockpiling essential supplies and ignoring quarantine advice can have deadly consequences for the most vulnerable among us"

They had plenty of time to stock up and chose not to despite their child's illnesses.

Problem with society is that everyone wants to knock out kids and sustain those with bad incurable medical problems for as long as possible. That is only natural and emotional but society and the world is creaking under the burden of it all. I don't wish not for people to survive but I'm not sure whether it is possible to keep on the way we have been going with trying to prolong life to the bitter end which is not necessarily humane for that people anyway.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: BC on March 11, 2020, 03:10:19 AM
Billy,

you disregarded my previous posts explaining the difference in mortality.  Also, a lot more testing per capita in China was done than in Italy.

Wuhan area has a population of around 11 million.

Recalculate with these additional factors and add in a bit of oranges with your apples.

Sure it started in China before they were able to notice something amiss, detect it and create a test for it.  I guesstimate 3 weeks or so and this stuff moves pretty fast.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: msmob on March 11, 2020, 03:19:10 AM
EXACTLY the response I expected ..


They had plenty of time to stock up and chose not to despite their child's illnesses.

Problem with society is that everyone wants to knock out kids and sustain those with bad incurable medical problems for as long as possible. That is only natural and emotional but society and the world is creaking under the burden of it all. I don't wish not for people to survive but I'm not sure whether it is possible to keep on the way we have been going with trying to prolong life to the bitter end which is not necessarily humane for that people anyway.

Thank goodness not everyone is  as selfish as you
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 11, 2020, 03:35:05 AM
EXACTLY the response I expected ..


Thank goodness not everyone is  as selfish as you

Yeah, the complaint from everyone who was too tardy to have the intellect to realise they needed to get in quick. Lol :)
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: BC on March 11, 2020, 03:46:14 AM
Hope Trench never has kids lest they are born or become disabled.  Guess he'd pull the plug on his own kid or wife with a smile on his face.

Guess he also doesn't need his retirement or other benefits that will be paid for by 'knocked out kids'.

Must suck to be you Trenchie.

Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 11, 2020, 03:46:55 AM
Again, here you go fearmongering.  Looting and chaos on the streets start with folks like you that post such bullshit. It's almost like you desire the chaos to justify the few rolls of extra TP in your possession, just waiting for women to knock on your door so you can finally get a piece of the action.

I'm sorry BC I keep mistaking the Italian flag for the Irish one, they look so similar, you must if course be very concerned to be stuck in the thick of it all. It must be scary having your personal liabilities such as freedom of movement taken away from you. You're probably right, best to not think of it in such stark terms and get on with life the best you can.

Anyway, yep I could have the women lining up ready to part em for a few ply each I guess :D

Who would have thought my purchase would pay off in such a wonderful way!
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 11, 2020, 03:58:26 AM
Hope Trench never has kids lest they are born or become disabled.  Guess he'd pull the plug on his own kid or wife with a smile on his face.

Guess he also doesn't need his retirement or other benefits that will be paid for by 'knocked out kids'.

Must suck to be you Trenchie.

BC, even many of the actual sufferers themselves have had enough at the end of the day, hence the 'assisted suicide' to die with dignity lot. Yet some of us insist on prolonging their pain, misery and suffering such is the wish of others for the sanctity of life for them.

You know even many Doctors in good health chose to carry tattoos and other insignia to 'please do not resuscitate' themselves if they should suffer a heart attack or similar. The pain and agony of some numpty breaking your rib cage that invariably often happens during CPR only to likely die a little while later is something they would rather avoid.

The problem is these days we here it all too often, 'my son/daughter has this or that'. Like it or not it's becoming a big burden to society. I'm not saying to knock them off or give them no treatment but all that treatment is very expensive and their quality off life is not good. Some of these women even go on to have other children and keep having kids with similar problems. This virus as little as we like it could be nature's way of alleviating society of what we do not want to deal with ourselves. It's not nice nor wanted nor welcomed by me, it's just happening regardless of how we feel.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: BC on March 11, 2020, 03:59:52 AM
What's to be sorry about Trench?  Don't stand behind your own words?

We're doing fine, getting ready to go do some quick shopping in town, drop by the ATM machine and get a coffee on the way back, prepare a nice lunch, take a nice 'nap' together. Maybe I'll start working on the pool a bit this afternoon as it's already getting warmer and swimming season isn't far off.  In all, more than you can even dream of doing today which mainly consists of posting drivel here and switching to pornhub every now and again for a quick pull.  Our temporary 'restrictions' are nothing compared to the permanent limits of that which resides between your ears.

 :popcorn:
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 11, 2020, 07:49:58 AM
What's to be sorry about Trench?  Don't stand behind your own words?

We're doing fine, getting ready to go do some quick shopping in town, drop by the ATM machine and get a coffee on the way back, prepare a nice lunch, take a nice 'nap' together. Maybe I'll start working on the pool a bit this afternoon as it's already getting warmer and swimming season isn't far off.  In all, more than you can even dream of doing today which mainly consists of posting drivel here and switching to pornhub every now and again for a quick pull.  Our temporary 'restrictions' are nothing compared to the permanent limits of that which resides between your ears.

 :popcorn:

You're at ease at the moment BC but what happens when money starts running out. Not at work = no pay. Perhaps you are retired and odds are the government can keep paying pension till this virus thing is sorted. What about others though that live hand to mouth? I can't see them going long before things get pretty tight.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: GQBlues on March 11, 2020, 08:10:51 AM
and all we hear from the patriots here is how inferior china is...yet they can get the job done and we can not...and now we are the ones paying ransom for TP from the likes of the 'evil' and capitalistic trenchcoat.  by next week he will have a line of women offering anything for his prized toilet paper, which if he were smart he would offer to sell by the foot only, to keep them coming back for more. 

It is during times like this that we must realize differences amongst us will be undeniably amplified. What seems like right for some, will be direly wrong for others. What you might deem as a reasonable step to protect yourself, can easily be considered selfish by another.

Panic situations drive people to such unbelievable behavior. Rightly or wrongly, we must all remember that sometimes sharing information in public may well be well-intentioned by some, but could also proved to be devastating for others...

Having said this, please remember I share this information with you with my deepest and sincere hope it received with equal fervor. I decided to attach the information and not posting it openly so members will have a choice as to whether or not they need to know. I urge you to please be diligent. After receiving the information, decide what's best for you and your family.


The Patriot, Class 1-AA
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: fathertime on March 11, 2020, 08:15:00 AM



Having said this, please remember I share this information with you with me deepest and sincere hope it received with equal fervor. I decided to attach the information and not posting it openly so members will have a choice as to whether or not they need to know. I urge you to please be diligent. After receiving the information, decide what's best for you and your family.


The Patriot, Class 1-AA
Holy Moses!  That's it, I"m going back to using newspapers,  tree bark and my hand.   Trenchcoat's grand plan has backfired, he should burn the TP before he infects all the desperate ladies in his town.

Fathertime! 
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: BillyB on March 11, 2020, 08:25:27 AM
Billy,

you disregarded my previous posts explaining the difference in mortality.  Also, a lot more testing per capita in China was done than in Italy.

Wuhan area has a population of around 11 million.

Recalculate with these additional factors and add in a bit of oranges with your apples.

Sure it started in China before they were able to notice something amiss, detect it and create a test for it.  I guesstimate 3 weeks or so and this stuff moves pretty fast.

BC, you came late to these virus threads but if you go back and from the beginning, I was telling everybody this virus is extremely dangerous and China is lying about their numbers. You pointing me to China's did more testing and implying their numbers are good isn't going to change my mind since they aren't telling the truth. As America and European nations do more testing, you will notice they will have similar results to Italy. Humans are humans. Chinese don't have some super immunity to viruses compared to the rest of us.  When this virus broke out, it was reported it wasn't any more dangerous than the flu which has a mortality rate of .1%. Then it was reported COVID has a mortality rate of 2%. Now it's reported it has a mortality rate of 3.4%. The way mortality rate is calculated is flawed and as more reliable reports come in and provide more weight to China's watered down numbers, the next report on mortality rate will be higher.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: msmob on March 11, 2020, 08:41:00 AM
Some meds for the likes of Trench and fellow hoarders..
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: Faux Pas on March 11, 2020, 08:54:26 AM

Stupidity likely will kill many more than Corona virus

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/dawn-neesom-the-human-race-21669145
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: GQBlues on March 11, 2020, 09:14:51 AM
Stupidity likely will kill many more than Corona virus
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/dawn-neesom-the-human-race-21669145 (http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/dawn-neesom-the-human-race-21669145)

Love that photo of those three ladies engaged in a fist fight over toilet papers. LMAO! I searched and there actually is the video. Happened in Oz.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQv5PWMzI-w (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQv5PWMzI-w)




Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: BillyB on March 11, 2020, 09:32:02 AM
Love that photo of those three ladies engaged in a fist fight over toilet papers. LMAO! I searched and there actually is the video. Happened in Oz.


One lady had a whole shopping cart full of toilet paper. All those ladies have pretty big butts to wipe though. Hope they get the virus under control. Humanity is only 3 meals away from total anarchy.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: BC on March 11, 2020, 09:32:51 AM
You're at ease at the moment BC but what happens when money starts running out. Not at work = no pay. Perhaps you are retired and odds are the government can keep paying pension till this virus thing is sorted. What about others though that live hand to mouth? I can't see them going long before things get pretty tight.

Trench,

Folks that are not sick are going to work like they always do. Folks that are sick get sick leave. If folks lose jobs because their company goes bankrupt they get unemployment. Work is a necessity and getting to and from work allowed.  Easy or?

Amazon still delivers as well as the postman and other couriers.

I repeat, the intent is not to cubbyhole everyone until it passes, it is to prevent too much overloading of the healthcare system to the point folks can't get the care they need.

As far as the timeline goes, with the measures in place, things should begin to normalize in the next couple weeks when the number of new cases starts to drop a bit and the hospitals in the hardest-hit areas have some breathing room.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 11, 2020, 09:50:36 AM
Trench,

Folks that are not sick are going to work like they always do. Folks that are sick get sick leave. If folks lose jobs because their company goes bankrupt they get unemployment. Work is a necessity and getting to and from work allowed.  Easy or?

Then they are playing with their lives, worse than that if they get Coronavirus they could be in for a world of pain as we saw from that New York guy that reported on it he was in hospital for a month. Apparently you get a real bad fever, profuse sweating followed by struggling to breath, not at all good. This isn't a 'oh you're a bit sick go home and rest it for for a few days', you're in for a bad time in a big way with this one.

BBC today reports:

"In Italy, which has seen a steep rise in cases, the prime minister pledged 25bn euros ($22bn) to tackle the outbreak - up from the 7.5bn euros announced last week.

Thousands of flights have been cancelled worldwide as airlines struggle to cope with a slump in demand.

Italian Prime Minister Giuseppe Conte announced the closure of schools, gyms, museums, nightclubs and other venues across the country, which on Wednesday passed 10,000 confirmed infections."

Also,

"The Foreign Office has issued a travel update for British nationals in Italy, urging all remaining tourists to contact their airline operators and return back to the UK."

So it's basically last boarding call for British citizens to get out of Italy or they will likely be stuck there in an ever deepening ordeal that increasingly deteriorates as more time passes. Italy is presently only in its second day of lockdown. The north has been in London lockdown for longer but either way it is still early days. It's when the lockdown drags on and people start to get restless is when the sh*t hits the fan.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: BC on March 11, 2020, 09:51:25 AM
BC, you came late to these virus threads but if you go back and from the beginning, I was telling everybody this virus is extremely dangerous and China is lying about their numbers. You pointing me to China's did more testing and implying their numbers are good isn't going to change my mind since they aren't telling the truth. As America and European nations do more testing, you will notice they will have similar results to Italy. Humans are humans. Chinese don't have some super immunity to viruses compared to the rest of us.  When this virus broke out, it was reported it wasn't any more dangerous than the flu which has a mortality rate of .1%. Then it was reported COVID has a mortality rate of 2%. Now it's reported it has a mortality rate of 3.4%. The way mortality rate is calculated is flawed and as more reliable reports come in and provide more weight to China's watered down numbers, the next report on mortality rate will be higher.

Billy,

I am certainly not here to change your mind, just expressing my thoughts about factors you are not considering.  If any figures are inaccurate it will be in places where testing is limited or not being done for certain groups, like folks that died with flu type symptoms.  Without wide testing where do you think you'll get 'more reliable reports'?  You'll just have to wait till it's over and the statisticians can do their job with the data collected and all factors like the ones I mention considered. 
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: BillyB on March 11, 2020, 10:08:23 AM
"In Italy, which has seen a steep rise in cases, the prime minister pledged 25bn euros ($22bn) to tackle the outbreak - up from the 7.5bn euros announced last week.


BBc reporter messed up on the exchange rate but Italy is following South Korea's footsteps by investing close to $500 per citizen to fight the virus and the damage it's causing. That's a steep price to pay for something that is only infecting a minority of citizens but governments realize the danger because battling this virus on the cheap may end up costing us more.

I'm disappointed in South Korea's reporting lately. They've gotten lazy. The government doesn't want to lie but telling the truth will create panic. I guess they adopted the policy better to tell no news than bad news. Italy continues to report multiple times a day on their situation.

Billy,

I am certainly not here to change your mind, just expressing my thoughts about factors you are not considering.  If any figures are inaccurate it will be in places where testing is limited or not being done for certain groups, like folks that died with flu type symptoms.  Without wide testing where do you think you'll get 'more reliable reports'?  You'll just have to wait till it's over and the statisticians can do their job with the data collected and all factors like the ones I mention considered. 

There are honest doctors that incorrectly diagnosed influenza as the cause of people who are currently infected and for those that died. China's influenza rate went up 50% recently. I understand that but I also understand the Chinese government manipulated the numbers so they don't look so bad to their people and the world so I don't trust their reporting. Both early on of the spread of the virus in China and Italy, doctors will misdiagnose since there was a shortage of test kits early on in both countries so the numbers should be similar before and after the test kits came out but they aren't.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: Faux Pas on March 11, 2020, 10:17:00 AM
Trench,

Folks that are not sick are going to work like they always do. Folks that are sick get sick leave. If folks lose jobs because their company goes bankrupt they get unemployment. Work is a necessity and getting to and from work allowed.  Easy or?

Amazon still delivers as well as the postman and other couriers.

I repeat, the intent is not to cubbyhole everyone until it passes, it is to prevent too much overloading of the healthcare system to the point folks can't get the care they need.

As far as the timeline goes, with the measures in place, things should begin to normalize in the next couple weeks when the number of new cases starts to drop a bit and the hospitals in the hardest-hit areas have some breathing room.

BC, hope all is well with you brother.

I have found for Trench to understand anything you must first break it down to a molecular level and then it's only 50/50. However he does have a slightly better percentage than others here.

Trench, the man on the ground has told you numerous times the conditions in Italy. You are clamoring to the BBC reports that parrot all of the other reports around the world. He's living it, maybe he might have a little more cred than you and your reports?
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: BC on March 11, 2020, 11:10:18 AM
BC, hope all is well with you brother.

Thanks for the thought FP :)

We're doing fine so far and folks here seem to be doing what needs to be done in a cooperative way and working together with few scuffles.  It is 'different' but we do feel safe knowing things are getting done all around us without any hesitation.  That seems to help keep folks calm here.

Italy should be a 'heads up' for all as far as being proactive goes. I give 'em high 5's for how it's being handled here.  OTOH I'm really surprised by how little is being done elsewhere, especially in my second 'home' with parents in the 80's.  They are being very prudent though on their own, staying at home just as much as we do here.

Be prudent, stay safe and don't catch that dangerous fear bug many are infected with. 

This too shall pass..

Take care of yourself and family buddy!
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: BillyB on March 11, 2020, 11:32:29 AM
Governor of Washington State just announce he's banning gatherings of over 250 people in three counties. Seattle Mariners baseball team season is about to begin. They may end up playing in a stadium elsewhere since they'll lose money playing in Seattle. Musicians with live concerts coming up will have to cancel their events. Comic Con in Seattle had been cancelled before this announcement. Churches that hold more than 250 people at a time will have to turn people away so they don't violate the new. Not a quarantine yet here but another step towards one.


http://tinyurl.com/whdoco4
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: GQBlues on March 11, 2020, 11:34:41 AM
...There are honest doctors that incorrectly diagnosed influenza as the cause of people who are currently infected and for those that died. China's influenza rate went up 50% recently. I understand that but I also understand the Chinese government manipulated the numbers so they don't look so bad to their people and the world so I don't trust their reporting. Both early on of the spread of the virus in China and Italy, doctors will misdiagnose since there was a shortage of test kits early on in both countries so the numbers should be similar before and after the test kits came out but they aren't.

Maybe this is an exercise in futility but I am still uncertain how exactly China 'manipulated' their numbers when so many intangibles surrounding the discovery of this virus is STILL unknown, including conclusive evidence of its origin, tests/testing criteria, transmission, etc...China, along with other countries, can only hope to slow down the spread (lockdowns, quarantine, etc..) until we get answers to things that are, to this day, still needs to be determined e.g. therapy, cure, fool-proofed test kits, etc..

The rising amount of infection is the most critical aspect of this so as not to cause additional pressure on everyone's health resources which are going rapidly at challenged states. The better the testing methodology, the better the screening and determination. This will certainly 'escalate' the infected number, but hell, that's just the natural progression of any epidemic. Numbers will change and get adjusted later on when most things surrounding this virus become 'known'.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: IvanM07 on March 11, 2020, 11:39:38 AM
The panic at least hasn't struck here yet. Was in Raleigh yesterday, Flew into CLT today, stopped by the CVS next to work and TP and Water was everywhere. May be they assumed a larger run on stores since they even had it in the beer Aisle. At least for now no one is making a final TP run to stock them for the next 2 decades.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: BC on March 11, 2020, 12:02:57 PM
The Patriot, Class 1-AA

LOL... I guess we'll be spared from the Great TP War here as most here have a bidet available with TP used only as a pre-wash wipe..  Heck, we even have a well if public water goes out.  If the electricity goes away we can always use buckets I guess.  TP is overrated anyway, only a smear job.  I miss the bidet when back home in the US.  Heck even the shower heads are stuck way up there and can't be pulled down to properly wash the nether areas.  It's very hard to stand on your head in the shower trying to scrub..
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: BillyB on March 11, 2020, 12:12:27 PM
I am still uncertain how exactly China 'manipulated' their numbers


Manipulation works like this. North Korea reports zero deaths and zero infections. They have presented to the world a look inside their nation that is different from reality. Even without test kits, lab tests from a culture sample of a live or dead person will reveal a new virus never seen before. So if a person isn't infected or died from the usual suspects, it's COVID-19.

There have been western media reports like the one below written a few days ago where hundreds died and thousands are quarantined in N Korea. I trust the witnesses that leaked the info more than North Korean government reports. The reports from the Italian government are trustworthy which gives us a realistic idea on how dangerous this virus is.

http://www.businessinsider.com/almost-200-north-korean-soldiers-died-coronavirus-2020-3

Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: BC on March 11, 2020, 12:16:12 PM
Maybe this is an exercise in futility

It is.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: 2tallbill on March 11, 2020, 01:26:57 PM
I live in Austin Texas these days and they have a HUGE
music industry here with all sorts of festivals and things
like that.

One of those festivals is called South by South West and
it's pretty big. Along the same lines as Coachella and
Lollapalooza.

GQ will know about these festivals and a few others, but
those who don't know it's big over $600 million dollars
big. Tech companies come in for it and have conferences 
and catch a couple of shows.

It's been cancelled and the locals are bummed.

That's all I know

Udachi!

Bill


For those who want to learn something about South by Southwest
Website is here
http://www.sxsw.com/

Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: IvanM07 on March 11, 2020, 01:34:39 PM
I live in Austin Texas these days and they have a HUGE
music industry here with all sorts of festivals and things
like that.

One of those festivals is called South by South West and
it's pretty big. Along the same lines as Coachella and
Lollapalooza.

GQ will know about these festivals and a few others, but
those who don't know it's big over $600 million dollars
big. Tech companies come in for it and have conferences 
and catch a couple of shows.

It's been cancelled and the locals are bummed.

That's all I know

Udachi!

Bill


For those who want to learn something about South by Southwest
Website is here
http://www.sxsw.com/

When I lived in Austin it was the year that Drunk Driver at SXSW took out a couple of pedestrians. I always hated driving during that period. An already congested road system became far worse.

I also saw the Mobile World Congress and E3 got cancelled too, both similar in cost to SXSW. Gonna be a hard hit for sure.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: GQBlues on March 11, 2020, 01:58:25 PM
I live in Austin Texas these days and they have a HUGE
music industry here with all sorts of festivals and things
like that.

One of those festivals is called South by South West and
it's pretty big. Along the same lines as Coachella and
Lollapalooza.

GQ will know about these festivals and a few others, but
those who don't know it's big over $600 million dollars
big. Tech companies come in for it and have conferences 
and catch a couple of shows.

It's been cancelled and the locals are bummed.

That's all I know

Udachi!

Bill


For those who want to learn something about South by Southwest
Website is here
http://www.sxsw.com/

On the one hand, I'd like to think it's a good thing until things simmer down a bit with this whole virus madness.

But OTOH, I feel for wifey because she's battled for the tix for my b-day since LAST YEAR. She was looking forward to this for two major reasons. One Leningrad was scheduled to play, and 2) Arroyo Seco Festival was already cancelled last summer because the natives of Pasadena were clamoring too much about noise control. Couldn't bear the possibility of missing both.

We're waiting to see the final commitment/line-up from the slew of performers to find out what the ultimate impact of the postponement is going to be.

It might still be OK since I'll be one of the few old farts in the festival anyway, and postponing it would be more beneficial for old farts like me than 99.9% of the expected crowd, hahah!
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 11, 2020, 02:01:12 PM
In all fairness Italy was the first one the other day who published for the world to see the actual Mortality to Recovery rate. Before that the WHO were lying to the world.

Here I've just booked my yearly mandatory car MOT for next week. It was due it anyway near the beginning of April so might as well so it now. With a bit of luck I'll get in before the virus gets all over the place. If the MOT was to lapse  through not being able to get it done or to avoid the virus I would be stuck with no car to legally drive while the virus stuff goes on not least as car spares may get more difficult/expensive to obtain.

Cases are currently around 460 but I'm in Dorset at the moment at the family home. In Dorset it's stayed at 3 cases since two days ago. So I'm lucky that I'm not stuck in the more risky areas at least so far. So it's still an little uncertain how things will work out for the uk. We have the NHS so it will be interesting to see whether that will help keep the numbers down from the rocketing numbers we have seen in other countries.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: msmob on March 11, 2020, 02:13:10 PM
In all fairness Italy was the first one the other day who published for the world to see the actual Mortality to Recovery rate. Before that the WHO were lying to the world.


More Trench twaddle

Italy has NOT changed it's reporting methodology

As of yesterday ..12.4 k reported infections ...827 deaths   ...

Italy has the oldest population in Europe, with about 23% of residents 65 or older...  Most of the deaths are ppl in their 80's/ 90's



 

Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: BillyB on March 11, 2020, 02:28:04 PM
In all fairness Italy was the first one the other day who published for the world to see the actual Mortality to Recovery rate. Before that the WHO were lying to the world.


Italy recently reported numbers and they now have 827 dead to 724 recovered. The mortality rate is getting higher by the day. I hope they can reverse the trend. In all fairness to WHO, they were misled by the Chinese. China was the only country with a large enough sample pool to evaluate what was happening. At first it was believed this virus was no more dangerous than the flu. I'm not surprise we still see people not understanding how dangerous this is thanks to China. Although the overall mortality rate continues to go up, it's still heavily watered down by the Chinese numbers. People think it's sprinkling, not pouring, and don't think it's necessary to get onto Noah's Ark.

WHO is officially calling this event a pandemic and raised its health emergency level to it's highest level. Enjoy the ride.

http://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/03/11/814474930/coronavirus-covid-19-is-now-officially-a-pandemic-who-says
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 11, 2020, 02:31:24 PM

More Trench twaddle

Italy has NOT changed it's reporting methodology

As of yesterday ..12.4 k reported infections ...827 deaths   ...

Italy has the oldest population in Europe, with about 23% of residents 65 or older...  Most of the deaths are ppl in their 80's/ 90's

And you get your 'most of the ppl are in their 80's/90's' data from where?
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: fathertime on March 11, 2020, 02:32:27 PM
Took a drive and met with some people today.  Here is what i've seen today.

---spoke with owner of a 100 million dollar equipment company.   "all is well" he says,   later spoke with warehouse worker, different story, he says 'we are running out of stuff', nothing new is coming in.  my thought is soon jobs will be gone. 

----a guy came by my shop today, bought a large item, we loaded into his truck....he had 60 rolls of TOILET PAPER in the back seat!  I told him the virus can be transmitted through toilet paper.  I learned that through GQ's link earlier today.   

---good buddy next shop over is drying up, about to call it quits, today asked me if I want to buy his forklift and big box truck.   

Just interesting observations at this point. 

Fathertime! 
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 11, 2020, 02:41:49 PM
Took a drive and met with some people today.  Here is what i've seen today.

---spoke with owner of a 100 million dollar equipment company.   "all is well" he says,   later spoke with warehouse worker, different story, he says 'we are running out of stuff', nothing new is coming in.  my thought is soon jobs will be gone. 

----a guy came by my shop today, bought a large item, we loaded into his truck....he had 60 rolls of TOILET PAPER in the back seat!  I told him the virus can be transmitted through toilet paper.  I learned that through GQ's link earlier today.   

---good buddy next shop over is drying up, about to call it quits, today asked me if I want to buy his forklift and big box truck.   

Just interesting observations at this point. 

Fathertime!

Indeed, at work I have decided to bring in my own toilet paper and tissues. I realised that everyone in the office will be putting their germs on it particularly after pulling off what they need. Not worth using the freely supplied stuff.

I think your observations are very apt Fathertime to the Global economic situation. If it's already that bad early on it could get pretty bad further down the line.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: BillyB on March 11, 2020, 02:47:51 PM
I told him the virus can be transmitted through toilet paper. 


That's fake news. The virus can't live outside the body for very long and certainly can't breed on toilet paper. Viruses need a cell to breed in. Live viruses can be found in poo poo though. So if one reuses the toilet paper somebody else uses, it's possible they can catch the virus. I never reuse toilet paper with brown stains on them.

I went to out to eat pizza today. Owner said his business dropped 20%. He said an owner of a high end steak house said his business dropped 80%. People with money staying home more often? People saving their money for necessities?
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: msmob on March 11, 2020, 02:48:19 PM
Indeed, at work I have decided to bring in my own toilet paper and tissues. I realised that everyone in the office will be putting their germs on it particularly after pulling off what they need. Not worth using the freely supplied stuff.

I think your observations are very apt Fathertime to the Global economic situation. If it's already that bad early on it could get pretty bad further down the line.

Trench, do  you mean you are still mixing with humanity ?  Are you 'mad' ?   It's a huge risk ...   ISOLATE

I took Ma to a dentist and she had her hair done, visited the local tip, popped into a grocers - to buy 2 kitchen rolls bread  and milk..

Not ONE person was wearing a mask - other than the Dentist and his assistant..


Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: GQBlues on March 11, 2020, 03:10:08 PM
Indeed, at work I have decided to bring in my own toilet paper and tissues. I realised that everyone in the office will be putting their germs on it particularly after pulling off what they need. Not worth using the freely supplied stuff.

Well, you may as well be as diligent as you can under such circumstances. Get a foot long 2" rope with grip handles on both ends. Once done, just slid it between your legs, position between butt cheeks, then slide to/fro 3-4 times.

It comes on 3 types of braids, and four types of fiber (nylon, hemp, etc..), 9 different colors (neon green is cool, or *incognito brown* - reduces the amount of washing, etc..).

You'd be the envy of the masses. Chicks may even dig you after that,
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 11, 2020, 03:14:29 PM
Italy recently reported numbers and they now have 827 dead to 724 recovered. The mortality rate is getting higher by the day. I hope they can reverse the trend. In all fairness to WHO, they were misled by the Chinese. China was the only country with a large enough sample pool to evaluate what was happening. At first it was believed this virus was no more dangerous than the flu. I'm not surprise we still see people not understanding how dangerous this is thanks to China. Although the overall mortality rate continues to go up, it's still heavily watered down by the Chinese numbers. People think it's sprinkling, not pouring, and don't think it's necessary to get onto Noah's Ark.

WHO is officially calling this event a pandemic and raised its health emergency level to it's highest level. Enjoy the ride.

http://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/03/11/814474930/coronavirus-covid-19-is-now-officially-a-pandemic-who-says

Sh*t Billy, I didn't realise the figures had suddenly gotten a lot worse. That's over 50 percent dead. I now seriously doubt they were all old, I'm guessing the odds are that some younger peeps immune systems are putting up a old fight but after a few weeks can't take it anymore, hence the delayed death rate, very much a trailing figure.

Yeah, I thought it silly for the WHO to tell us what we already know, that it's a pandemic. Yeah glad I put some preparation work in at least, with a mortality rate like that and a real ordeal if you get it, it's one I hope I duck.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: msmob on March 11, 2020, 03:32:10 PM
And you get your 'most of the ppl are in their 80's/90's' data from where?

An Italian... 

"Little is known yet about the deceased patients specifically, other than the fact that their median age is 81, the majority of the deceased are male, and in more than two-thirds of cases they had three or more pre-existing conditions.

This is according to the latest available data, released by Italy's Higher Health Institute (Istituto Superiore di Sanità, or ISS) on March 5, which is based on a preliminary study of 105 patients in Italy.

The study also showed a 20-year difference between the average age of the deceased patients, and that of the virus-positive patients in general.

"Although preliminary, these data confirm the observations made so far in the rest of the world on the main characteristics of patients, in particular on the fact that the elderly and people with pre-existing diseases are more at risk," commented ISS president Silvio Brusaferro.

"These are very fragile people who often live in close contact with others, and who we must protect as much as possible."
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 11, 2020, 03:32:50 PM
Trench, do  you mean you are still mixing with humanity ?  Are you 'mad' ?   It's a huge risk ...   ISOLATE

I took Ma to a dentist and she had her hair done, visited the local tip, popped into a grocers - to buy 2 kitchen rolls bread  and milk..

Not ONE person was wearing a mask - other than the Dentist and his assistant..

I know, now that I have heard Billy's update from Italy I would rather avoid the hug risk of humanity for the next few months. Despite my efforts mixing with others in the workplace means there are always the gormless who just don't get that we are 'supposed to be avoiding exchanging human contact and hence germs'. They still prefer to stick to old traditions as a matter of convention.

I have not started to wear a mask yet as the numbers/risk rate is not high enough yet to warrant it. Once the numbers start to rise though I'm all equiped :)

Can't afford to ditch the job yet but if it starts getting too risky I will. I just need a bit longer to sort out my present commitments.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: rwd123 on March 11, 2020, 03:37:38 PM
That's fake news. The virus can't live outside the body for very long and certainly can't breed on toilet paper. Viruses need a cell to breed in. Live viruses can be found in poo poo though. So if one reuses the toilet paper somebody else uses, it's possible they can catch the virus. I never reuse toilet paper with brown stains on them.
The virus cannot replicate without a host, but it seems it can survive several days on surfaces; in fecal matter close to a week - not good news for plumbers. In optimal conditions (for the virus) up to 9-10 days. It can also be present in the air for at least 30 minutes.

To minimize the risk of contracting the virus you need to cover your eyes/nose/mouth (yes, even improvized masks are worthwhile), frequently wash your hands thoroughly, and at least twice daily disinfect regularly used surfaces like benches, light switches, keyboards, etc.

Your best preparation is having a strong immune system to begin with - plenty of rest/sleep, low or no stress, lots of sun (vitamin D), cold showers, exercise, good diet, no smoking, etc.

Unfortunately (or fortunately) I have prior commitments in Russia so will be using a face mask and protective eye wear in airports and on planes. It is risk reduction not risk elimination. I'll also take stuff like vitamins/minerals and elderberry syrup... but the virus is endemic now so it will eventually enter your community.

The bigger health risk will be economic collapse / depression and ensuing fallout/panic so a complete shut down probably isn't in any way viable.

Obviously the perfect time to visit FSUW before Vlad and others close the borders... you'll get all the women to yourself!  :P

msmob - as this is a respiratory disease smokers are hit hard. It's reasonable to suggest this is why men have been impacted more than women, particularly elderly men. It may also be why those in Wuhan and other parts of China were at such great risk (air pollution).
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: msmob on March 11, 2020, 03:42:43 PM


Can't afford to ditch the job yet but if it starts getting too risky I will. I just need a bit longer to sort out my present commitments.

Hmm, not what you've told us, before ... You need to check your previous ' Trench, my plan to get a FSU W' posts ..

You should be quitting your job and building a wall - to protect your stock of toilet rolls
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: BillyB on March 11, 2020, 03:46:33 PM
 
Italy just updated their recoveries to 1,045 and now recoveries is ahead of deaths. It'll probably go back and forth. Don't know why they aren't reporting both categories at the same time.

Trump announce he'll speak to the nation tonight 9 PM eastern time. Maybe he'll say this virus is mortality rate is higher than previous estimates without freaking people out too much. He does have a responsibility to protect the economy. Causing panic is not productive. I also predict he'll offer help to businesses. Many small business can't maintain a 20% loss of sales for an extended period of time.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 11, 2020, 03:56:17 PM
Things are not going well in Italy:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-51845817
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 11, 2020, 04:03:25 PM
Just heard on the radio that apparently Boris is expected to announce moving to the second stage of delaying the virus tomorrow. This could include closing schools and banning large public gatherings.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: fathertime on March 11, 2020, 04:10:01 PM
That's fake news. The virus can't live outside the body for very long and certainly can't breed on toilet paper.
wait a minute, you mean GQ was playing a joke on me!   I just got through burning my entire supply of TP.

Fathertime!   
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: BillyB on March 11, 2020, 04:14:12 PM
Things are not going well in Italy:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-51845817

Damn. All shops and restaurants will be closed except food stores and pharmacies. A lot of business owners will go out of business.

People should watch the video in the link. The Director General of WHO in the video said he's deeply concerned about the alarming levels of spread, severity and alarming levels of inaction. A lot of people and governments out there still think this virus isn't much more dangerous than the flu. Thank you China for educating us early on with your fake reports that imply it's weak stuff.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 11, 2020, 04:32:07 PM
Damn. All shops and restaurants will be closed except food stores and pharmacies. A lot of business owners will go out of business.

People should watch the video in the link. The Director General of WHO in the video said he's deeply concerned about the alarming levels of spread, severity and alarming levels of inaction. A lot of people and governments out there still think this virus isn't much more dangerous than the flu. Thank you China for educating us early on with your fake reports that imply it's weak stuff.

Indeed, I think a lot of people won't change their ways unless forced as they just see it as too much bother. We need to at least build in more methods of not needing to touch everything, move more to sensors like in some lavatory taps and automatic air dryers etc.

Apparently the UK is potentially only about two weeks or so from a lockdown situation like Italy. So we either sort it now or end up in a ghetto like situation.

I think you're right Billy, Italy will be hit by the ravages of a failing economy and unfortunately BC could soon be in for a shock, I certainly am not envying him at the moment, swimming pool or not.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: GQBlues on March 11, 2020, 04:43:39 PM
LOL... I guess we'll be spared from the Great TP War here as most here have a bidet available with TP used only as a pre-wash wipe..  Heck, we even have a well if public water goes out.  If the electricity goes away we can always use buckets I guess.  TP is overrated anyway, only a smear job.  I miss the bidet when back home in the US.  Heck even the shower heads are stuck way up there and can't be pulled down to properly wash the nether areas.  It's very hard to stand on your head in the shower trying to scrub..


Oh wow! You mean they haven't yet offered topless bathing Beauts services that scrub you down good in Italy?


BC, how the heck can you use the bidet without feeling a little...well, squirmish, or worst, bust up laughing.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: IvanM07 on March 11, 2020, 04:46:56 PM
Indeed, I think a lot of people won't change their ways unless forced as they just see it as too much bother. We need to at least build in more methods of not needing to touch everything, move more to sensors like in some lavatory taps and automatic air dryers etc.

Apparently the UK is potentially only about two weeks or so from a lockdown situation like Italy. So we either sort it now or end up in a ghetto like situation.

I think you're right Billy, Italy will be hit by the ravages of a failing economy and unfortunately BC could soon be in for a shock, I certainly am not envying him at the moment, swimming pool or not.

This is if course armchair plague, inc. But I feel like the US might not feel the effects as bad. I know paid healthcare blah blah, but firstly, the major insurance companies waived the copays for testing. Secondly. Look at an apartment or neighborhood of the US and compare that to Europe or China. Notice anything? The distance. Anyone been to Disney with a ton of Chinese? No concept of personal space. My house is about 400 yards in either direction from the next house. My old apartment complex houses 300 people for 6 stories and an entire block on Austin. It won't be as bad besides SF, LA, NYC, Boston, etc.


Edit: jesus fu*k I thought it was just a joke with people joking about prepping hardcore. Then I have a friend in Indiana post this sh*t. SMDH. What are you gonna do with 40 rolls of tp *face palm*
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 11, 2020, 05:10:51 PM
Question is, is Italy's response the correct response? How is shuttering  businesses going to serve Italy in the long run?

More damage may be caused by doing this than by the virus itself. Hordes of unemployed plus of course the illegal immigrants already there could turn into a devastating situation for Italy. Rampaging riots and society falling apart could indeed be the outcome.

I'm afraid that other countries might follow suit thinking Italy has the right answer, I don't think they do.

I certainly wouldn't go beyond the previous lockdown situation. If the virus just affects the elderly with pre-existing conditions then they would be best to all isolate themselves and hope for the best. If the virus spreads it spreads, don't worry about it and let matters take their course. Otherwise it's saving some old people who have little time left anyway and buggering over the younger generations who will be left with a recked economy.

That said of course, if a lot of the younger generation require stays in hospital in order to survive it then if the numbers rise too high for beds available then that could have a a pretty dire outcome.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: IvanM07 on March 11, 2020, 05:41:11 PM
Question is, is Italy's response the correct response? How is shuttering  businesses going to serve Italy in the long run?

More damage may be caused by doing this than by the virus itself. Hordes of unemployed plus of course the illegal immigrants already there could turn into a devastating situation for Italy. Rampaging riots and society falling apart could indeed be the outcome.

I'm afraid that other countries might follow suit thinking Italy has the right answer, I don't think they do.

I certainly wouldn't go beyond the previous lockdown situation. If the virus just affects the elderly with pre-existing conditions then they would be best to all isolate themselves and hope for the best. If the virus spreads it spreads, don't worry about it and let matters take their course. Otherwise it's saving some old people who have little time left anyway and buggering over the younger generations who will be left with a recked economy.

That said of course, if a lot of the younger generation require stays in hospital in order to survive it then if the numbers rise too high for beds available then that could have a a pretty dire outcome.


Most folks say Merkel was giving a worst case scenario. I'm a Trump supporter everyone knows that from the Pol threads, but I know he will recommend businesses stay open. He has been staking his presidency (among other positives) on the Economy, of which he has done a terrific job!


That said, there is a difference from European/American Norms than Chinese. As I said I remember in 2015 being crowded by 35 Chinese. Hell Ralphie May has a bit about it! - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPLIcQU0s_U


As an aside, has anyone been tracking the curious tendencies of the virus? Specifically to spare younger children?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/03/10/coronavirus-is-mysteriously-sparing-kids-killing-elderly-understanding-why-may-help-defeat-virus/

No evidence there, it's just popping up several times and I thought it was curious.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: tfcrew on March 11, 2020, 05:44:30 PM
One lady had a whole shopping cart full of toilet paper. All those ladies have pretty big butts to wipe though. Hope they get the virus under control. Humanity is only 3 meals away from total anarchy.
Mgmnt should have placed a 2 ply two package limit sign to keep the peace.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: BillyB on March 11, 2020, 05:47:29 PM
Apparently the UK is potentially only about two weeks or so from a lockdown situation like Italy. So we either sort it now or end up in a ghetto like situation.


UK numbers have slowly gone up but it's going up faster and faster and may explode soon.

Stay positive and keep thinking you're going to survive and in the end, there will be two women for every man.

Question is, is Italy's response the correct response? How is shuttering  businesses going to serve Italy in the long run?


It's extreme to shut down businesses and restrict movement but I think it is the right thing to do. Not doing enough is worse than doing too much. The virus must be stopped, period. Economies can't function while this virus is wrecking havoc unchecked. Quarantines will work. Let's say your city has a high rate of infection. The government locks down your city. They get everybody checked out and put all those infected into another quarantine keeping them away from the population which can in then function normally within their quarantine. After a month or two, the virus will be burned out. Those infected would beat the virus or die but the virus will not exist in the city. The quarantine can be lifted and everybody can function normally until you have another outbreak.

The country of San Marino is within Italy's borders and 1 out of every 550 citizens there are infected with the virus. They are worse off than Italy.

I'm a Trump supporter everyone knows that from the Pol threads, but I know he will recommend businesses stay open. He has been staking his presidency (among other positives) on the Economy, of which he has done a terrific job!


America is very different all over. We've got heavily populated areas and rural areas. We have different virus cases scenarios all over the place. A one size solution will not fit for all like what Italy is doing. Trump will allow States and local governments make their own decisions first before he tells them what to do. If States and local governments feel a need to shut down businesses, he shouldn't stop them but provide financial help to those who are suffering financial loses. 15 more minutes and Trump will speak to the nation.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: tfcrew on March 11, 2020, 05:48:27 PM
Question is, is Italy's response the correct response? 
For a short term maybe yes.
The Koreans seem to be getting the upper hand by massive sanitizing.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: fathertime on March 11, 2020, 05:53:04 PM
The Koreans seem to be getting the upper hand by massive sanitizing.
but I just read on the internet that the virus is hiding within the hand sanitizer now.

Fathertime! 
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: BillyB on March 11, 2020, 06:18:35 PM

Trump announced starting this Friday he will suspend all flights to and from Europe for 30 days, UK excluded. Trump said his quick action to suspend flights from China early was beneficial to our nation and the failure of Europe to suspend flights was wrong and the spread of the virus in America is coming from Europe.

Trump said Americans health is priority and he will help those financially hurt by the virus. Based on his proposals, he will provide over 50 billion dollars work of assistance.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: krimster2 on March 11, 2020, 06:30:24 PM
WTF is wrong with ya’all?
have you all gone insane?

the key to surviving the apocalypse is right there in the data in plain sight!!!!
in the Wuhan statistics....

only 2.3 % of the people who contacted the disease, were age 18 or YOUNGER!!!!
and the younger you are, the less severe the disease will be...

so just hire some beautiful 18 year old Russian girls
to be your personal shoppers
and in exchange for supporting them financially...
they will provide you with food or ANYTHING ELSE YOU NEED!!!

guys who can self quarantine on a nice sized boat at the marina, will freakin have it made
as long as ya got plenty of groceries from the magazine and plenty of cash

I actually prefer to be left alone by Russians anyway unless they're staricks who were like in Stalingrad or something...
but that experience will never happen to me again, I know sadly...

so yeah, interviewing deavotchkie again...
I feel like disinfected blonds this time





Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: fathertime on March 11, 2020, 06:49:11 PM
NBA has suspended the season,after player tested positive for the virus,  Tom Hanks has got corona virus.  My daughter's college just stated no more classes after Friday...everything to be done online.   Now lets see how long the shelves stay stocked at the stores.

Fathertime! 
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 11, 2020, 06:53:12 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-51846923

Yep :D Hear that Mobe, the US is banning flights from the EU, the E f*cking U. Trump rightly reckonises that's it's the EU's fault that it has acted to slowly and once again incompetently in taking action to tackle the virus within its member states.

Now fortunately we have left the EU which has both helped us to deal with the situation better hence he far lower number of infections than EU members and means we aren't subject to the EU travel ban :D
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: mhr7 on March 11, 2020, 06:56:31 PM
Trump announced starting this Friday he will suspend all flights to and from Europe for 30 days, UK excluded. Trump said his quick action to suspend flights from China early was beneficial to our nation and the failure of Europe to suspend flights was wrong and the spread of the virus in America is coming from Europe.

Trump said Americans health is priority and he will help those financially hurt by the virus. Based on his proposals, he will provide over 50 billion dollars work of assistance.

He only suspended flights from Europe not to Europe.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: IvanM07 on March 11, 2020, 07:03:00 PM
He only suspended flights from Europe not to Europe.

We'll see how long that lasts ;)

Love it.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: mhr7 on March 11, 2020, 07:03:42 PM
The virus can't live outside the body for very long

It can live outside the body for up to 9 days depending on the conditions.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: BillyB on March 11, 2020, 07:09:42 PM
He only suspended flights from Europe not to Europe.


You are correct. That is a good thing so European tourists currently in America can finish their vacation and get back home. I wonder how American tourists are going to get back home. The few planes that will fly before the ban will take effect may not have enough seats for the mass wanting to get home.

Also, I wonder why Trump gave the UK an exception to the ban. Does he know that UK's infection rate is and will remain much lower than other European nations?

It can live outside the body for up to 9 days depending on the conditions.


Another sign this is a super virus.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: fathertime on March 11, 2020, 07:21:45 PM

Also, I wonder why Trump gave the UK an exception to the ban. Does he know that UK's infection rate is and will remain much lower than other European nations?
 
probably politics of some sort,  or he wants a favor, or he wants to further promote the separation of europe and the UK. 

Fathertime! 
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: BillyB on March 11, 2020, 07:27:05 PM
probably politics of some sort,  or he wants a favor, or he wants to further promote the separation of europe and the UK. 

Fathertime!

FT, I think we are beyond politics now. This is about saving American lives. If we see a spike in UK's infections, Trump will ban flights from the UK. If America's infections spike uncontrollably, I expect all of Europe to ban flights from America.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: IvanM07 on March 11, 2020, 07:29:56 PM
FT, I think we are beyond politics now. This is about saving American lives. If we see a spike in UK's infections, Trump will ban flights from the UK. If America's infections spike uncontrollably, I expect all of Europe to ban flights from America.

You can't be beyond politics with TDS. ;(

However I 100% agree. All or nothing approach even with May being when I see my daughter.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: tfcrew on March 11, 2020, 07:39:05 PM
  Trump will ban flights from the UK. 
I believe he did tonite...to/from Europe.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: fathertime on March 11, 2020, 07:41:51 PM
FT, I think we are beyond politics now. This is about saving American lives. If we see a spike in UK's infections, Trump will ban flights from the UK. If America's infections spike uncontrollably, I expect all of Europe to ban flights from America.
I'd think we would be beyond politics, yet it is odd to exclude the UK so I suspect Trump is thinking ahead a couple steps, and gambling.   It makes no sense to leave them off the list except if you are looking at it through an angle other than the potential risk to americans.   

Fathertime! 
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: fathertime on March 11, 2020, 08:18:00 PM
US travelers will now face 2 weeks isolation when travelling to South American nation of Argentina.  Colombia and Peru also banning arrivals from certain nations.   

Argentina, Colombia, Peru to isolate travelers from virus-hit nations 

Argentina, Colombia and Peru on Wednesday announced that travelers from the countries worst-affected by the new coronavirus would be isolated on arrival.

Argentina was the first country in Latin America to register a coronavirus-related death on Saturday, with Panama announcing another on Tuesday.

Buenos Aires announced a two-week isolation period for people arriving from China, Italy, France, Germany, Spain, Japan, South Korea and the United States.

"This is not voluntary, it's not a recommendation. If you don't.....


 http://www.yahoo.com/news/argentina-colombia-peru-isolate-travelers-virus-hit-nations-155304344.html   (http://www.yahoo.com/news/argentina-colombia-peru-isolate-travelers-virus-hit-nations-155304344.html)

Fathertime! 
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: BillyB on March 11, 2020, 08:33:43 PM

NBA player got the virus and the NBA suspended the season.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/nba-suspending-season-after-wednesday-nights-games-until-further-notice-because-of-the-coronavirus-concerns/ar-BB114bRv?ocid=spartanntp

Tom Hanks, currently filming in Australia, got the virus.

http://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/tom-hanks-wife-rita-wilson-012115497.html

Trench got the virus and RWD suspends all posting.

fakenews.com
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: Brillynt on March 11, 2020, 09:04:41 PM
I was reading more of the articles and it is not flights that are banned, people from EU countries are banned, US citizens, legal residents ... are allowed to return during the 30 days. It depends if the airlines start doing massive cancellations.  Unfortunately I am currently in Ukraine and I am scheduled to return in 2 weeks.  I tried calling Lufthansa and received a recorded message saying please call back due to extreme call volume and the call was terminated.  It should be interesting to see what happens.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: BillyB on March 11, 2020, 10:09:37 PM
I was reading more of the articles and it is not flights that are banned, people from EU countries are banned, US citizens, legal residents ... are allowed to return during the 30 days. It depends if the airlines start doing massive cancellations.  Unfortunately I am currently in Ukraine and I am scheduled to return in 2 weeks.  I tried calling Lufthansa and received a recorded message saying please call back due to extreme call volume and the call was terminated.  It should be interesting to see what happens.

Ukraine is not on the sh!t list. Found the information in the link below from those in charge of the border. Even non Europeans travelling though certain European countries would be refused entry into America. The ban does not apply to Legal permanent residents and American citizens as you mentioned. So your only worry now is if the airline will cancel your flight due to lack of passengers. My guess is they'll cancel some flights and put those passengers on another flight that isn't cancelled to make a full plane. Keep in mind, you won't be flying until 2 weeks from now. If more European nations have uncontrollable outbreaks like Italy is having, flights throughout Europe may be restricted. If offered to come home sooner, you may want to consider it.

http://www.dhs.gov/news/2020/03/11/homeland-security-acting-secretary-chad-f-wolf-s-statement-presidential-proclamation
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: Brillynt on March 11, 2020, 10:39:49 PM
Ukraine is not on the sh!t list. Found the information in the link below from those in charge of the border. Even non Europeans travelling though certain European countries would be refused entry into America. The ban does not apply to Legal permanent residents and American citizens as you mentioned. So your only worry now is if the airline will cancel your flight due to lack of passengers. My guess is they'll cancel some flights and put those passengers on another flight that isn't cancelled to make a full plane. Keep in mind, you won't be flying until 2 weeks from now. If more European nations have uncontrollable outbreaks like Italy is having, flights throughout Europe may be restricted. If offered to come home sooner, you may want to consider it.

http://www.dhs.gov/news/2020/03/11/homeland-security-acting-secretary-chad-f-wolf-s-statement-presidential-proclamation

Billy, Thanks for the link and the suggestions.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: msmob on March 11, 2020, 11:55:42 PM
My, 'Trampu' is banning folks who are not US nationals ( or have residency for the US) from flying to the US if a Schegen passport holder...


But he has excluded NON Schengen nations?

'Great'....

What is to stop Marcel from France....or Marcello from Italy arriving in the UK or IRL and flying to the US?

Cluebat: They are not stamped in to the UK/ IRL.

Perhaps, those two nations share immigration data?...

OK...

Marios from Cyprus..

He is not Schengen, but an EU passport holder....

He was in Italy within the last 14 days and came via the the UK to the US..

I seriously doubt the US shares data with Cyprus.

If someone wants to circumvent this ban...I see lots of ways they might..



It is illogical.




Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 12, 2020, 12:10:28 AM
My, 'Trampu' is banning folks who are not US nationals ( or have residency for the US) from flying to the US if a Sche gen passport holder...


But he has excluded NON Schengen nations?

'Great'....

What is to stop Marcel from France....or Marcello from Italy arriving in the UK or IRL and flying to the US?

Cluebat: They are not stamped in to the UK/ IRL.

Perhaps, those two nations share immigration data?...

OK...

Marios from Cyprus..

He is not Schengen, but an EU passport holder....

He was in Italy within the last 14 days and came via the the UK to the US..

I seriously doubt the US shares data with Cyprus.

If someone wants to circumvent this ban...I see lots of ways they might..



It is illogical.

Most won't bother to try & circumvent it. The passport holders country of origin is shown on the front of the passport. Odds are those from EU member states will be rejected entry on arrival in the US.

Italy is likely to close all flights in & out soon. They are going downhill fast on this one. Glad I'm not stuck in Italy, just wait until things turn ugly there.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: msmob on March 12, 2020, 12:42:42 AM
Trench,

If you mean where they were born..it should be meaningless.

SC was born in what is now Tadjikistan..

She has not been back there for more than half her life...

Your post up thread demonstrated further cluelessness.

Be a good boy and observe and learn rather than feeling the need to prove to most of us your 'knowledge' of border 'control'..




Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: IvanM07 on March 12, 2020, 12:52:46 AM
Trench,

If you mean where they were born..it should be meaningless.

SC was born in what is now Tadjikistan..

She has not been back there for more than half her life...

Your post up thread demonstrated further cluelessness.

Be a good boy and observe and learn rather than feeling the need to prove to most of us your 'knowledge' of border 'control'..

Well thank the stars above for you, hero!
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 12, 2020, 01:30:08 AM
Reckon this move by Trump & hence the US could push some airlines to go under.

Still think off all that carbon saving, no whinging from environmentalists there for a while :D
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: IvanM07 on March 12, 2020, 01:38:41 AM
Reckon this move by Trump & hence the US could push some airlines to go under.

Still think off all that carbon saving, no whinging from environmentalists there for a while :D

 Honestly think of you and trump was the same as you moobs, nothing worse than flu lol. Imagine you without TDS! What a wonderful world.....
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: msmob on March 12, 2020, 01:40:59 AM
Our 'Ivan' doesn't even pay attention as to who is posting ... before 'responding' to 'me' ... :popcorn:
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: BC on March 12, 2020, 02:20:02 AM
Pretty funny.... the President of the country that has done the least amount of testing and has been the least proactive with concrete measures, declares other countries are 'behind the ball' and are the cause of the problem in the US.





Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: BillyB on March 12, 2020, 06:00:57 AM
Pretty funny.... the President of the country that has done the least amount of testing and has been the least proactive with concrete measures, declares other countries are 'behind the ball' and are the cause of the problem in the US.

BC, you should worry about how the government of Italy handled things before it got out of control. When it's over, we will learn if America or Europe has higher rate of infections.

Trump ordered or border patrol to document where each passenger entering USA where they been. After detecting those who are infected, it was determine our infections are coming from Europe, not China. Europe should've banned flights from China early on instead of trusting China and WHO's recommendation travel to and from China is fine.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: BC on March 12, 2020, 06:08:25 AM
Quick tour around town this morning.

Farmers, construction folks, and most folks that work outside doing their normal 'thing'.  Busses running normally except for school that have been cancelled due to school closures.

Pharmacy getting regular deliveries twice a day including oxygen and all meds except hand sanitizer.

Cigarette store getting regular deliveries, but some brands are a bit short because folks are buying cartons instead of packs to limit trips to the store.

Grocery store, 8-10 people waiting patiently outside for folks inside to get done with their shopping.  Meat store, bakery and the veggie stand all open and stocked.

Two kids and mom hanging large rainbow banners on the front of their fence that state 'It's all going to be ok" - the highlight of the trip.

Traffic in town is light, seems like it's a Sunday, many wearing masks some even when driving or walking around, folks maintaining distances.

An eBay package mailed Tuesday afternoon from Rome being delivered today, normal transit time.

No control or police checkpoints seen.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: msmob on March 12, 2020, 06:19:14 AM
BC, you should worry about how the government of Italy handled things before it got out of control. When it's over, we will learn if America or Europe has higher rate of infections.

Trump ordered or border patrol to document where each passenger entering USA where they been. After detecting those who are infected, it was determine our infections are coming from Europe, not China. Europe should've banned flights from China early on instead of trusting China and WHO's recommendation travel to and from China is fine.

BillyB,

1/ Once again, I remind you that Italy banned flights from China LONG ago ( Jan 31st )

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-02-10/italy-s-hopes-for-closer-china-ties-hit-by-virus-flight-ban-rift (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-02-10/italy-s-hopes-for-closer-china-ties-hit-by-virus-flight-ban-rift)

2/ Italy has been testing FAR more of it's population FOR the virus than the USA..

It really IS time to stop posting like some deluded 'patriot' and get real..   

Italy has been FAR more proactive than the US ... and it STILL has a big problem










Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: fathertime on March 12, 2020, 06:32:41 AM
Pretty funny.... the President of the country that has done the least amount of testing and has been the least proactive with concrete measures, declares other countries are 'behind the ball' and are the cause of the problem in the US.
Your chart is very damning of the US system. 

Our blame game always starts with us pointing fingers, practically never do we accept that we are doing things wrong here in the USA.  We criticize other nation's health systems yet in a time of crisis, we don't have the capacity to serve our own populace as evidenced by the chart. 

Fathertime! 

Fathertime! 
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: BC on March 12, 2020, 06:36:09 AM
Billy,

there is nothing more dangerous than ignorance, not being able to test is ignorance.  Not even knowing how many have been tested is bordering on criminal, not even the President knows.  Fact is that Coronavus was present in Europe and the US at pretty much the same time, around 20 January when the first cases were confirmed.  You just don't know how bad it is there yet because of the lack of testing.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: BillyB on March 12, 2020, 06:39:37 AM
BillyB,

1/ Once again, I remind you that Italy banned flight from China LONG ago ( Jan 31st )

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-02-10/italy-s-hopes-for-closer-china-ties-hit-by-virus-flight-ban-rift (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-02-10/italy-s-hopes-for-closer-china-ties-hit-by-virus-flight-ban-rift)

2/ Italy has been testing FAR more of it's population FOR the virus than the USA..

It really IS time to stop posting like some deluded 'patriot' and get real..   

Italy has been FAR more proactive than the US ... and it STILL has a big problem

Banning flights is not enough. Got to ban individuals passing through China like Trump did. Anyone been in China can fly to another country and then fly to Italy. Funny to see criticizing Trump doing a worse job than the Italian government and try to rationalize why. Why not criticize China? Don’t they get some blame? They knew what was going on more than anybody so they should have banned flights first to save your lives but they prefer to do business.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: fathertime on March 12, 2020, 06:41:20 AM
Stock Market circuit breaker flipped again, closed after about 6 minutes this morning. 

Fathertime! 
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: GQBlues on March 12, 2020, 06:41:41 AM
You folks are just too funny sometimes. Your silly envy definitely blinds you from screaming realities. With all your feel good theories, the reality today is italy’s current DEATH count is at 827, with serious/critical conditions at 1,028. The US comparables are at 38 & 10. These numbers doesn’t remotely support all your silly ASSertion.

Stop all these stupid nonsense. There are times when all these BS need to take a rest for a while.

Trump’s speech last night was spot on despite offending that silly European Commission spokesperson’s stupid sensibilities.

http://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Now this comparison would be worst if you compared EU vs US. So stop peddling nonsense already.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: fathertime on March 12, 2020, 06:53:03 AM
I don't trust hannity's judgement, but I wish he were right on this one. 
To the question though, I'd say a lot of his listeners believe as he does, but not enough to stem the stock market panic. 

If Sean Hannity Thinks Coronavirus Panic Is a 'Hoax,' How Many Millions of His Listeners Do Too?

Sean Hannity used his syndicated talk-radio program Wednesday to share a prediction he had found on Twitter about what is really happening with the coronavirus: It’s a “fraud” by the deep state to spread panic in the populace, manipulate the economy and suppress dissent.

“May be true,” Hannity declared to millions of listeners around the country.

As the coronavirus spreads around the globe, denial and disinformation about the risks are proliferating on media outlets popular with conservatives.

“This coronavirus?” Rush Limbaugh asked skeptically during his Wednesday program. “All of this panic is just not warranted.”.....


  http://www.yahoo.com/news/sean-hannity-thinks-coronavirus-panic-120516477.html   (http://www.yahoo.com/news/sean-hannity-thinks-coronavirus-panic-120516477.html)

Fathertime! 
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: Faux Pas on March 12, 2020, 06:53:35 AM
BillyB,

1/ Once again, I remind you that Italy banned flights from China LONG ago ( Jan 31st )

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-02-10/italy-s-hopes-for-closer-china-ties-hit-by-virus-flight-ban-rift (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-02-10/italy-s-hopes-for-closer-china-ties-hit-by-virus-flight-ban-rift)

2/ Italy has been testing FAR more of it's population FOR the virus than the USA..

It really IS time to stop posting like some deluded 'patriot' and get real..   

Italy has been FAR more proactive than the US ... and it STILL has a big problem

Italy has had FAR more reason to test FAR more of it's population than the USA. Your entire statement here is "BOLLOCKS"

The USA has been very proactive. 5 months ago nobody had heard of this virus. I suppose Trump should have been testing then? That answer is no. That was the height of the flu season in the US. If Italy had been testing then they wouldn't have the problem they have now. Italy has taken the steps they deem necessary to slow this thing down within their borders. Their infectious rate has gotten them to the point where they now. They haven't by any means been FAR more proactive than anywhere else. They, like everywhere are are doing what they feel they must do for the situation they have.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: msmob on March 12, 2020, 07:02:26 AM
'Mr Mistake',

Why must you fall over yourself in haste to prove inattentiveness / ignorance ?

Fact is you simply do not know how many cases you've had in the US..

@GCB I'm not sure what 'envy' I or others (should?) have re the US ..given 'we are all in the same boat'...

'Patriotic' STUPIDITY is certainly endemic, today

Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: BC on March 12, 2020, 07:08:00 AM
Italy has had FAR more reason to test FAR more of it's population than the USA.

Indeed.  The only reason Italy is testing far more of its population is because it can, something that has not yet been possible in the US in any quantity.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: GenMish on March 12, 2020, 07:08:47 AM
One week ago today, I flew home through S Korea. In Korea, they checked my passport to see if I went to Iran or China in the past 14 days. They did not check for Italy. I was put on a plane from an EMPTY Incheon airport to a bustling Atlanta airport. In Atlanta, there was no health screening, but passport control did review my passport. Once again, was not asked about Italy

So whatever it is about the Italian strain, its only recently became a reason for drastic measures
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: GQBlues on March 12, 2020, 07:20:10 AM
'Mr Mistake',

Why must you fall over yourself in haste to prove inattentiveness / ignorance ?

Fact is you simply do not know how many cases you've had in the US..

@GCB I'm not sure what 'envy' I or others (should?) have re the US ..given 'we are all in the same boat'...

'Patriotic' STUPIDITY is certainly endemic, today


Predictable. When presented with facts, the resident Peewee Herman comes in with his usual deflecting debating habit.

I gave you Euro stooges facts on the current reality of coronavirus. You can ignore the FACTUAL numbers above and just pretend you actually have a point. Fine by me. We expect this from you blokes.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: BC on March 12, 2020, 07:50:42 AM
An Italian guy goes to the doc with a cough, gets a test, results are positive, is sent to quarantine so can't infect others.

An American guy goes to the doc with a cough and fever, does not get tested and sent home with aspirin and told to drink lots of liquids.

Repeat 75000 times.

Italy has a huge number of confirmed cases.. Over 10,000 and counting that's a problem.

USA has no confirmed cases.. obviously, the USA does not have a problem.

Like the commercial with rug covered showers and folks finger dipping salsa, 'That ain't right'

But the problem isn't even that..  A large number of those in the US won't even go to the doctor in the first place because of the cost / copay.  They will go to work instead and 'tough it out' so the bills get paid, infecting others along the way.  Of course, they don't get counted.

Door number 1 China and 2 Italy are open, everyone can see what's inside.  Door 3, USA still stays with the curtain drawn, but there are those that will insist 'Ain't no problem behind the curtain'.

Oh well, par for the course around here.

Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: Faux Pas on March 12, 2020, 07:52:26 AM
'Mr Mistake',

Why must you fall over yourself in haste to prove inattentiveness / ignorance ?

Fact is you simply do not know how many cases you've had in the US..

@GCB I'm not sure what 'envy' I or others (should?) have re the US ..given 'we are all in the same boat'...

'Patriotic' STUPIDITY is certainly endemic, today

Moobs,
You're just a moron to such epic proportion that no kit ever could detect just how much of a moron you really are. Fact is, nobody knows how many cases there are in the US or anywhere else. There is nothing patriotic in my post. Just the fact that measures by every nation or regions are taken by need. The measures taken by China or Italy haven't been needed in the USA. You're lunatic fringe leaning leftist mind will not permit you to see the realities of any situation. No, only the need to point fingers and blame someone. Other than yourself of course.

You have bought into the panic full bore. You're a moron
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: Faux Pas on March 12, 2020, 08:01:27 AM
An Italian guy goes to the doc with a cough, gets a test, results are positive, is sent to quarantine so can't infect others.

An American guy goes to the doc with a cough and fever, does not get tested and sent home with aspirin and told to drink lots of liquids.

Repeat 75000 times.

Italy has a huge number of confirmed cases.. Over 10,000 and counting that's a problem.

USA has no confirmed cases.. obviously, the USA does not have a problem.

Like the commercial with rug covered showers and folks finger dipping salsa, 'That ain't right'

But the problem isn't even that..  A large number of those in the US won't even go to the doctor in the first place because of the cost / copay.  They will go to work instead and 'tough it out' so the bills get paid, infecting others along the way.  Of course, they don't get counted.

Door number 1 China and 2 Italy are open, everyone can see what's inside.  Door 3, USA still stays with the curtain drawn, but there are those that will insist 'Ain't no problem behind the curtain'.

Oh well, par for the course around here.

I think you're wrong. The virus hadn't had a chance to infect as many in the US as it did in Italy as fast as it did. Your information on the healthcare situation in the US is also wrong. There is no curtain on the US. Folks with corona symptoms are not avoiding the doctors. There are test kits. The virus panic has been taken very serious.

It is odd though BC that you believe communist China is transparent and that your own birthright the USA is hiding something. If I were you I'd question your sources
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: BC on March 12, 2020, 08:16:22 AM
FP

whether or not there was enough time for spread in the US is unknown if only few with symptoms are getting tested.  I never said the US is hiding anything, just that folks are hanging on words that are unproven.

Does Italy have a problem? Yes.  Does China have a problem? Yes.  That's what doors 1 and 2 represent.  Door 3 is closed, no one knows what's hiding or not with many here stating that the facts don't prove the US has a problem.

Does China test? yes. Does Italy test? yes. Does the US test?  only those that go to a hospital that can test and are quite sick to begin with along with a few that arrive on flights that art noted with symptoms.  Ergo the only thing that can be proven is that the problem comes from 'elsewhere' and only a few are affected in the US.

It is pretty simple.

IOW it's an 'if you can't prove it you're wrong' debate that of course can go nowhere.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: GQBlues on March 12, 2020, 08:21:59 AM
An Italian guy goes to the doc with a cough, gets a test, results are positive, is sent to quarantine so can't infect others.

An American guy goes to the doc with a cough and fever, does not get tested and sent home with aspirin and told to drink lots of liquids.

Repeat 75000 times.

Italy has a huge number of confirmed cases.. Over 10,000 and counting that's a problem.

USA has no confirmed cases.. obviously, the USA does not have a problem.

Like the commercial with rug covered showers and folks finger dipping salsa, 'That ain't right'

But the problem isn't even that..  A large number of those in the US won't even go to the doctor in the first place because of the cost / copay.  They will go to work instead and 'tough it out' so the bills get paid, infecting others along the way.  Of course, they don't get counted.

Door number 1 China and 2 Italy are open, everyone can see what's inside.  Door 3, USA still stays with the curtain drawn, but there are those that will insist 'Ain't no problem behind the curtain'.

Oh well, par for the course around here.

Well, at least you try.... the 'other' bloke conveniently disappeared.

Anyway...your attempt fails. It really doesn't matter if there were only 10 test kits in the US. The actual numbers above were specifically shown to get in the heart of the matter.

Death AND critical/serious condition cases. If your point has an ounce of merit that somehow Italy is far more superior and efficient, then why are your people dying far more, and many more in dire condition?

It gets even more ridiculous if you add the combined number for your chosen Union, with all its superior leaderships, compared to our Union. These numbers become far more BLATANTLY counter to your claim, no?
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: BC on March 12, 2020, 08:37:03 AM
GQ,

We know that the coronavirus primarily kills those that are older and have underlying conditions.  Italy has a number of elderly that is roughly twice that of other countries.

France, Germany, Spain each show at least double the number the US has reported. Those countries have done less testing than Italy, but still far more than the US.

My 'intent fails'??  Again I am only posting what I see.  It's up to you to decide what you want to 'see'.  I'm not gonna twist your arm.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: msmob on March 12, 2020, 08:43:23 AM
The 'other bloke' made his dear Ma lunch and prepared a Roast Dinner for 6 guests as he prepares to hand over care to his siblings..

Strange that a need to do something FAR more important than engage with strange chaps from the internet... who put 'patriotism' before common sense and awkward facts should think a 'delay' in response is some sort of 'surrender'... Ah well such is 'fora life'...

The Guardian puts it very well...for those still in touch with reality..

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/mar/11/donald-trump-us-coronavirus-address (http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/mar/11/donald-trump-us-coronavirus-address)

Too little, too late?...Blaming others... Failure to ban non Schengen Euro nations with serious issues re the virus spreading...

You simply could NOT make this farce up....

Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: GQBlues on March 12, 2020, 09:05:18 AM
TBH BC, I'm not one to harp 'my 'marbles are shinier than yours' that you Euros seem to engage in ad nauseum. This could be your US-political leaning, but it doesn't matter.

There's enough 'bad' news coming out of Italy's condition that I need not 'rub' upon the people of Italy. You seem to engage in these US vs EU/Italy a lot, but that's your prerogative, I suppose in the bigger scheme of things it's understandable. Just as it will be from those who counter your every opinion.

You once told us Italy have enough beds for everyone, and the social healthcare system you have can bear the brunt of this current dilemma. Maybe then you can tell us that excerpt from this medium is fake news:

Quote
"A lot of patients need help with breathing but there are not enough ventilators.

"They've told us that starting from now we'll have to choose who to intubate - priority will go to the young or those without comorbidities.

"At Niguarda, the other big hospital in Milan, they are not intubating anyone over 60, which is really, really young."

http://www.itv.com/news/2020-03-11/italy-doctors-coronavirus-covid-19-quarantine-milan-health/
Listen to the audio of the two Milanese doctors in the article talking about the real horrible conditions inside the quarantine area.

Is this reality now true in Italy or not? You keep trying to paint a rosy picture of Italian living, then critize the US for not having enough test kits, when maybe you should be more concerned Italians are dying by your side because of inadequate medical equipment? People being denied intubation for whatever reason is just diabolical. A person who have a hard time breathing and is now left alone is just not right. What a sad way to die...
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: GQBlues on March 12, 2020, 09:10:34 AM
The 'other bloke' made his dear Ma lunch and prepared a Roast Dinner for 6 guests as he prepares to hand over care to his siblings..

Strange that a need to do something FAR more important than engage with strange chaps from the internet... who put 'patriotism' before common sense and awkward facts should think a 'delay' in response is some sort of 'surrender'... Ah well such is 'fora life'...

The Guardian puts it very well...for those still in touch with reality..

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/mar/11/donald-trump-us-coronavirus-address (http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/mar/11/donald-trump-us-coronavirus-address)

Too little, too late?...Blaming others... Failure to ban non Schengen Euro nations with serious issues re the virus spreading...

You simply could NOT make this farce up....

See what I mean by a Peewee Herman style of debating? Completely ignored the numbers I gave him to refute his idle claim of superiority. When challenged, instead of making a reasoned/rational riposte, he goes and post an opinion article that have absolutely nothing to do with the subject in discussion.

This folks, is a CLEAR example of a troll who shoots blanks.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: GQBlues on March 12, 2020, 09:32:14 AM
At least it's nice to see the Germans still have a sense of humor!

Picture below said: Police Warning! Do not leave your valuables on display in your car!
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: BC on March 12, 2020, 09:46:57 AM

You once told us Italy have enough beds for everyone, and the social healthcare system you have can bear the brunt of this current dilemma. Maybe then you can tell us that excerpt from this medium is fake news:

http://www.itv.com/news/2020-03-11/italy-doctors-coronavirus-covid-19-quarantine-milan-health/
Listen to the audio of the two Milanese doctors in the article talking about the real horrible conditions inside the quarantine area.

Is this reality now true in Italy or not? You keep trying to paint a rosy picture of Italian living, then critize the US for not having enough test kits, when maybe you should be more concerned Italians are dying by your side because of inadequate medical equipment? People being denied intubation for whatever reason is just diabolical. A person who have a hard time breathing and is now left alone is just not right. What a sad way to die...

My Italian is good, but I'd rather someone like Sandro who is expert give you his 'lowdown' on what is on the tape.  I heard some hypotheticals and a lot of 'could be possible' along with one second, third or tenth hand account about those over 60 being refused treatment with a respirator at one hospital.  It is contrary to what I have heard.  Of course, there will be some hard decisions that doctors will have to make like 'sorry but he's too 'gone' so best to let him go so we can give this other person that has decent chances this respirator'.

Some areas like Milan are of course swamped.  Manufacturers of respirators are working 24/7 to fit the need and all are working to open more intensive care beds.

Sandro lives in that area so I'll respectfully defer to him.  In our area thus far there is enough capacity and despite much lower numbers capacity is being increased.

Unfortunately, the situation you described may well present itself on a larger scale back home.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: msmob on March 12, 2020, 09:59:15 AM
The 'troll' suggests you re-read your post re 'numbers' ...

Given you and facts have a loose relationship, it would have been amusing at any other time to read your suggestion of 'inaccuracy'...

Fact is, Italy is further down the line than our respective nations DESPITE measures taken far in advance of the US...

It is noted that we haven't heard from Sandro and can only hope he's just 'given up' on reasoning with 'us'...



Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: GQBlues on March 12, 2020, 10:08:52 AM
My Italian is good, but I'd rather someone like Sandro who is expert give you his 'lowdown' on what is on the tape.  I heard some hypotheticals and a lot of 'could be possible' along with one second, third or tenth hand account about those over 60 being refused treatment with a respirator at one hospital.  It is contrary to what I have heard.  Of course, there will be some hard decisions that doctors will have to make like 'sorry but he's too 'gone' so best to let him go so we can give this other person that has decent chances this respirator'.

Some areas like Milan are of course swamped.  Manufacturers of respirators are working 24/7 to fit the need and all are working to open more intensive care beds.

Sandro lives in that area so I'll respectfully defer to him.  In our area thus far there is enough capacity and despite much lower numbers capacity is being increased.

Unfortunately, the situation you described may well present itself on a larger scale back home.

Whether this is happening anywhere, Italy, US, China, etc...is just wrong. Maybe this was my point about all these silliness all of us engages in 'on who's on second base' all the time. It's a pandemic. We are all in on this reality and it's not a case of 'better or worst'. This virus obviously does not discriminate.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: Faux Pas on March 12, 2020, 10:10:57 AM
My Italian is good, but I'd rather someone like Sandro who is expert give you his 'lowdown' on what is on the tape.  I heard some hypotheticals and a lot of 'could be possible' along with one second, third or tenth hand account about those over 60 being refused treatment with a respirator at one hospital.  It is contrary to what I have heard.  Of course, there will be some hard decisions that doctors will have to make like 'sorry but he's too 'gone' so best to let him go so we can give this other person that has decent chances this respirator'.

Some areas like Milan are of course swamped.  Manufacturers of respirators are working 24/7 to fit the need and all are working to open more intensive care beds.

Sandro lives in that area so I'll respectfully defer to him.  In our area thus far there is enough capacity and despite much lower numbers capacity is being increased.

Unfortunately, the situation you described may well present itself on a larger scale back home.

Well it may or, it may not. That has yet to be determined and the prognosticating from all on this thread actually means dick in the larger picture. The cases of the virus that we know to date isn't exactly projecting the same path as experienced in China and Italy. Are we just in denial and you guys know more than we do? Hardly. You know what you are experiencing and I do not doubt you one bit. We know what we are experiencing, too.

There has been widespread panic in the national media. Literally everything from the WHO and the CDC gets parroted ad nausea over and over. The instructions are all the same, panic, worry, wash your hands, don't touch your face await further instruction all this for a virus that hasn't begun to reach proportions of the seasonal flu in both contagion or deaths. I think most folks here believe it is very real. Medical help is available to everyone. (how that's paid for isn't a discussion for this conversation). I think I can say with full conviction anyone who believes they may have it are getting themselves checked out. It is not being ignored or taken lightly. In fact some of us believe the hysteria is much louder than the actual virus
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: krimster2 on March 12, 2020, 10:25:51 AM
shouldn’t the death rate of covid-19
be calculated as the number of deaths divided by the number of recoveries?
and NOT the number of of deaths divided by the number of infected...

for China’s data the mortality rate would be at 5% using the first method of calculation
and 3.7% using the second way

the virus ACTUALLY does discriminate...
it freaking loves "geezers"
especially geezers with an underlying medical condition

less than 3% of the total infected in Wuhan were under the age of 18
and of those who were infected, they were the group with the mildest symptoms

I am going into self quarantine in about a month
besides my companions, my only outside human contact will be with teenage girls that I hire...

you low-brows, stop thinking what you're thinking
take a look around you, you're all gonna have "shrinkage issues" when you do
your scrotum will go into hiding as much as it can
to protect itself, it's nature's way, don't be worried comrades


 
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: BillyB on March 12, 2020, 11:00:18 AM
One week ago today, I flew home through S Korea. In Korea, they checked my passport to see if I went to Iran or China in the past 14 days. They did not check for Italy. I was put on a plane from an EMPTY Incheon airport to a bustling Atlanta airport. In Atlanta, there was no health screening, but passport control did review my passport. Once again, was not asked about Italy

So whatever it is about the Italian strain, its only recently became a reason for drastic measures

Border patrol already knows where you been based on scanning of the passport. They ask the question where you been anyway just in case your passport isn't telling the whole story. America knew Europe had a problem not because their European test kits told them but because when American doctors ask sick patients where they been and the pattern is they just came back from Europe, doctors will report that to the feds and it's easy to figure out, Europe never had control of virus and America's problems are coming from Europe, not China.

An American guy goes to the doc with a cough and fever, does not get tested and sent home with aspirin and told to drink lots of liquids.


Not true. A few articles written by journalist based on a few cases doesn't make it true. If a person lives in small town USA and never owned a passport, he'll probably get sent home with medicine. If a person lives in high risk areas like mine, King County, and we went to the doctor with flu like symptoms, the doctor will direct the person where to go for the COVID-19 tests if the doctor doesn't have the test in his clinic.

BC, if it makes you feel good to bash Trump and his handling of the virus more than bashing the Italian government, Chinese government, and WHO for not putting out warning earlier, do whatever you need to do to make yourself feel better. Truth is WHO was not allowed into China to evaluate the situation for themselves. They believed China's reporting which claimed they have control over the virus so WHO continued to educate people and countries it's safe to vacation, do business, and allow flights in and out of China. WHO and China failed the world the most.

Right now Italy is paying a high cost in life and loss of economy. It's not Trump's fault. As a matter of fact, based on Trump's ban on individuals and Italy's ban on flights, it tells me everybody had the same info at the same time and Trump may deserve credit for saving European lives. Most likely America spied on China to get info on the virus, intercepted calls, found out China lost control of the virus, and Trump made a decision to tell our allies that China isn't winning the fight on the virus and don't listen to WHO's recommendations. Take action to protect yourselves. I believe Trump is the kind of guy that will do that for America's friends. Trump may deserve credit for helping Italy determine a ban of flights from China earlier than what they would decide on their own but the media will never report it.

shouldn’t the death rate of covid-19
be calculated as the number of deaths divided by the number of recoveries?
and NOT the number of of deaths divided by the number of infected...
 

death/mortality rate is number of deaths divided by number of deaths plus recoveries. The infected aren't finished with their battle to be calculated yet but we have a big enough sample pool to reasonably predict the end result. Two reason the mortality rate is very low. China has provided Waterdown numbers and people have taken the infected and lumped them into the recovery category before their fate is determine which give the impression the overwhelming majority is surviving the battle with the virus. Go look at death and recovery numbers and ignore China's. It's alarming to see a high rate of people dying.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: BC on March 12, 2020, 11:03:50 AM
shouldn’t the death rate of covid-19
be calculated as the number of deaths divided by the number of recoveries?
and NOT the number of of deaths divided by the number of infected...

Not really, it should be the number of deaths divided by the number of infected - which over time will change and become more accurate as the numbers and testing rise. Remember many may not be tested because their symptoms remained minor and did not get bad enough to warrant going to the doctor or hospital or meet testing criteria.  I would say that the numbers from S. Korea would be more accurate as it seems they tested the largest portion of the population on a per capita basis.  Statisticians will also go further by drilling down to the age groups most affected and their proportionate representation of the population.

The data ain't in yet though.  In 6 months or so will probably have a better picture.

Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: BillyB on March 12, 2020, 11:13:03 AM
Not really, it should be the number of deaths divided by the number of infected - which over time will change and become more accurate as the numbers and testing rise. Remember many may not be tested because their symptoms remained minor and did not get bad enough to warrant going to the doctor or hospital or meet testing criteria.


BC, with more testing happening around the world that gives us a more accurate picture, the mortality rates have been going up. They like to tell us everything is alright and mortality rates are low because people are walking around undetected and won't die but they aren't telling us that people have died and aren't going to test them because the living has priority on test kits.

In an article I read the Italian health care system is stressed out. Not enough medicine and respirators for every COVID-19 patient. Doctors have had to make hard decisions who gets the treatments and they are choosing the people that are more likely to live which tend to be healthier and younger people.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: BC on March 12, 2020, 11:29:09 AM
BC, with more testing happening around the world that gives us a more accurate picture, the mortality rates have been going up. They like to tell us everything is alright and mortality rates are low because people are walking around undetected and won't die but they aren't telling us that people have died and aren't going to test them because the living has priority on test kits.

In an article I read the Italian health care system is stressed out. Not enough medicine and respirators for every COVID-19 patient. Doctors have had to make hard decisions who gets the treatments and they are choosing the people that are more likely to live which tend to be healthier and younger people.

Billy,

Indeed, the data will get better as time goes on.  Best we have at the moment is data from S. Korea.

Regarding the article you read, refer to my post above.  Of course the system in the hardest hit area is stressed out.  Again defer to any input Sandro wants to give who lives in that area.  Other than some youtube stuff I'm not seeing such generally reported in the news here.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: BillyB on March 12, 2020, 11:39:47 AM
Europeans criticizing Trump for not taking enough action also criticize Trump for taking too much action. Trump can't do anything right!

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-shrugs-off-eu-anger-over-coronavirus-travel-ban-when-they-raise-taxes-on-us-they-dont-consult-us/ar-BB116zot?ocid=spartanntp

Vice President Mike Pence said Thursday that there has been “irresponsible rhetoric” from people who have downplayed the seriousness of the U.S. coronavirus outbreak.

http://www.yahoo.com/news/pence-says-theres-irresponsible-rhetoric-114342263.html

It's serious folks. It was always serious from the beginning it showed up on earth.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 12, 2020, 12:31:38 PM
Well Boris had a meeting with the Cobra Kai today. We are now moving the delay phase. No school shutdowns at present though. Just self isolate for 7 days if you come down with any cold or flu like symptoms. In a few days the elderly with pre-existing health conditions will be told that they should self isolate as I was saying should happen on here just yesterday ;)

Apparently our government advisors reckon we are about 4 weeks behind Italy. That's not a bad heads up to us to plan ahead and avoid any mistakes Italy makes. I would assume that the UK could be likely to take a different tack in terms of avoiding shuttering businesses as in Italy as that could be a vicious downward spiral.

On the BBC News website in Italy today:

"Italy has now seen 1,016 deaths, amid a total number 15,113 infections. Civil protection officials say 1,258 have recovered."

So back and forth around the 50 per cent each way line. So over a thousand people have died so far! They are unlikely at the worst if it yet either.

Odds are there will be a shutdown of travel between countries. The virus could be a real game changer in how things are.

Looks like news websites are moving away from the number of infected to deaths rubbish so the real stats now seep out.

Today the government advisors reckon the virus will be tailing of by around May time. I think that is wishful thinking. Probably put out so as to not panic the population. I reckon we are in for the long haul on this one.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: krimster2 on March 12, 2020, 01:16:04 PM
"Not really, it should be the number of deaths divided by the number of infected"

ok, but why?
since you don't know the outcome of the currently infected, they are currently "alive" but 5% will die later
this leads to quite a variance
I kinda think the deaths/recovery is a more accurate metric with less variance
moy dva kopec
but I'm just lookin at it numerically
maybe there's a non-numeric reason to look at it as you suggest
I dunno, can you explain why you chose your calculation?
 
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: msmob on March 12, 2020, 01:16:22 PM
Well Boris had a meeting with the Cobra Kai today. We are now moving the delay phase. No school shutdowns at present though. Just self isolate for 7 days if you come down with any cold or flu like symptoms. In a few days the elderly with pre-existing health conditions will be told that they should self isolate as I was saying should happen on here just yesterday ;)

Trench, do tell us how 'self-isolating' has worked on cruise ships and nursing homes ....

Apparently our government advisors reckon we are about 4 weeks behind Italy. That's not a bad heads up to us to plan ahead and avoid any mistakes Italy makes. I would assume that the UK could be likely to take a different tack in terms of avoiding shuttering businesses as in Italy as that could be a vicious downward spiral.

Hmm, if you are relying on BoJo's words - AGAIN - you're open to be pilloried .. it's nearly THREE weeks since Italy cordoned off red areas .. 21 Feb ... :popcorn:


Odds are there will be a shutdown of travel between countries. The virus could be a real game changer in how things are.

Looks like news websites are moving away from the number of infected to deaths rubbish so the real stats now seep out.

'Real stats' ?  Where you selective in listening to the factor of how many folk may be infected in the UK, now ?

Today the government advisors reckon the virus will be tailing of by around May time. I think that is wishful thinking. Probably put out so as to not panic the population. I reckon we are in for the long haul on this one.

NOT what was said...they hope to delay the peak ... they did not speak of any certainty ..

Not for the first time, you demonstrate to hear what you seem to want to hear and rarely heed the advice you are given ..
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: GQBlues on March 12, 2020, 01:29:08 PM
This is plain crazy (http://www.msn.com/en-us/health/health-news/uk-scientists-paying-people-dollar4000-to-get-infected-with-coronaviruses/ar-BB116DLq). But a great way for trenchcoat to get a little money on the side to help with his wife hunting.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 12, 2020, 01:37:10 PM
 :rolleyes:
Trench, do tell us how 'self-isolating' has worked on cruise ships and nursing homes ....

Hmm, if you are relying on BoJo's words - AGAIN - you're open to be pilloried .. it's nearly THREE weeks since Italy cordoned off red areas .. 21 Feb ... :popcorn:


'Real stats' ?  Where you selective in listening to the factor of how many folk may be infected in the UK, now ?

NOT what was said...they hope to delay the peak ... they did not speak of any certainty ..

Not for the first time, you demonstrate to hear what you seem to want to hear and rarely heed the advice you are given ..

Dispute all you like Mobers. While you are being complacent this poster is tooling up to prepare for the coming escalation in the Crisis :)

You'll be feeling pretty foolish soon when you're left feeling under equipped in the face of the ensuing Crises ;)
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: fathertime on March 12, 2020, 02:02:26 PM
This is plain crazy (http://www.msn.com/en-us/health/health-news/uk-scientists-paying-people-dollar4000-to-get-infected-with-coronaviruses/ar-BB116DLq). But a great way for trenchcoat to get a little money on the side to help with his wife hunting.
I really think trenchcoat would be better off selling the TP by the milometer. 

Fathertime!   
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: GQBlues on March 12, 2020, 02:41:46 PM
Nah- I don't see him being a good salesperson.

But I find it interesting that Nevada doesn't have a recorded infected person considering Las Vegas, Reno, and Lake Tahoe are huge gathering areas...
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: msmob on March 12, 2020, 02:44:43 PM
:rolleyes:
Dispute all you like Mobers. While you are being complacent this poster is tooling up to prepare for the coming escalation in the Crisis :)

You'll be feeling pretty foolish soon when you're left feeling under equipped in the face of the ensuing Crises ;)

What will I be short of..?

Toilet paper? I bought a pack of 24... There's plenty already in the UK

Hand sanitizer?

That is out of stock..because of selfish ppl like you...but we are washing our hands..

Food? People were not starving in China..


Like most things... You never think things though..




Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: mhr7 on March 12, 2020, 02:59:56 PM
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Sean Hannity used his syndicated talk-radio program Wednesday to share a prediction he had found on Twitter about what is really happening with the coronavirus: It’s a “fraud” by the deep state to spread panic in the populace, manipulate the economy and suppress dissent.

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“This coronavirus?” Rush Limbaugh asked skeptically during his Wednesday program. “All of this panic is just not warranted.”

The Fox Business anchor Trish Regan told viewers Monday that the worry over coronavirus “is yet another attempt to impeach the president.”

Views from the looney far-right. You'd think a pandemic would be a time for a country to unite, guess not.

http://www.yahoo.com/news/sean-hannity-thinks-coronavirus-panic-120516477.html

Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: BillyB on March 12, 2020, 03:04:26 PM
On the BBC News website in Italy today:

"Italy has now seen 1,016 deaths, amid a total number 15,113 infections. Civil protection officials say 1,258 have recovered."


Trench, since people, experts, governments and the media are having a hard time understanding mortality rate which gets them to severely underestimate the danger of this virus, I'm going to do a comparison today so more people will "get it".

WHO doesn't use the word "Pandemic" often. They reserve that word for worldwide epidemics that threaten humanity. Let's do a little comparison with the COVID-19 pandemic and the last designated WHO pandemic, the 2009 Swine Flu.

Swine Flu in Europe had  500,000 infected  and  caused 2889 Deaths which means they had 497,111 Recoveries. Mortality rate is not calculated by infection. Mortality rate is deaths divided by deaths plus recoveries so basically it's 2889 divided by (2889 + 487,111). The confusion comes from deaths plus recoveries also equals total infections when an epidemic is over and people think infections is what needs to be used in calculating mortality rate but not true and during an event where people are currently fighting for their lives, using infections into the calculation definitely waters down mortality rate estimates as we see from the reports on COVID-19.  Since everybody is finished with their battle swine flu in Europe, the final mortality rate is .57% which is 5.7 times more deadlier than the flu which kills .1% of the people it infects. 1 out of every 173 people in Europe who caught the swine flu died. Normal flu we experience kills 1 out of every 1000 people.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_flu_pandemic_in_Europe

Italy, now with a large sample pool of COVID -19, has 15,113 infected, 1016 deaths, and 1258 recoveries. To calculate the current mortality rate of Italy deaths(1016) divided by (deaths(1016) plus recoveries(1258)) which translate to a 44.7% mortality rate killing close to 1 out of every 2 people in Italy and is 447 times more dangerous than the flu and 78.4 times more dangerous than the swine flu. Hopefully with more numbers coming it, death rate will go down but don't expect it to go down to swine flu pandemic numbers.

Even if someone doesn't understand numbers, they have eyes. Just look at the World crashing down around you in a very short time this virus showed up. This is just the beginning of COVID-19. It hasn't reached the amount of infections the Swine flu pandemic achieved yet but if it does, you will see quarantines implemented in a way that makes the Italian quarantine look like a joke. The world wasn't crashing during the swine flu pandemic. Not all pandemics are equal and COVID-19 kills people at a much higher rate than the flu and swine flu.

The high mortality rate is scary but what is more scary is that this coronavirus is related to the cold virus and humans have tried for over a 100 years to create a suitable vaccine for the cold viruses and failed. At least with the Swine flu virus, it was comforting to know that discovering a swine flu vaccine was possible and only a matter of time in getting it out to the public. Governments will tell you they are working on a vaccine. After a few years pass by, if they haven't found one, they probably never will. We get colds 2-3 times a year. With no cure, we may have to live with COVID-19 multiple times a year forever just like we live with cold viruses. Periodic quarantining may be a big part of our lives from here on out. The only solution we have now is locking down people, finding those infected, quarantine those people separate from the population and eradicate this virus from the human body so we don't have to live with it anymore. If we miss just ONE person and they go around infecting others, we will continue to have outbreaks. Fighting COVID-19 will cost lives and our economies but it must be done. Trying to do this cheap will cost humanity more in the end.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: GQBlues on March 12, 2020, 03:05:03 PM
Views from the looney far-right. You'd think a pandemic would be a time for a country to unite, guess not.

http://www.yahoo.com/news/sean-hannity-thinks-coronavirus-panic-120516477.html

Product of Google.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: mhr7 on March 12, 2020, 03:08:05 PM
Product of Google.

Product of Yahoo homepage.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: msmob on March 12, 2020, 03:16:35 PM
Trench, since people, experts, governments and the media are having a hard time understanding mortality rate which gets them to severely underestimate the danger of this virus, I'm going to do a comparison today so more people will "get it".

Does 'getting it' include your making up the meaning of pandemic?

'A disease prevalent over a whole country or the world.'

With that and your 'mortality rates'....

I'll leave you in continued ignorance



Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: krimster2 on March 12, 2020, 03:36:06 PM
if the virus doesn’t start to slowdown SOON due to the rising temps
then we are SCREWED!!!!
maybe it means it’s not so temperature sensitive as people thought
and instead it just got started in the winter
if it does continue to grow
then by the end of winter, it’ll be GAME OVER

public schools and universities all shutting down in Harris County TX NOW!
and the county next to us!

the Houston mayor’s office issued a public warning...
they say Houston could have a 30% infection rate this winter
with one out five requiring hospitalization!
that's a few hundred times current capacity!

or as Republicans say “Democratic Hoax” like the Meuller report and like the impeachment
democrats are just mad they lost
and are trying to deflect from Hillary’s emails

the virus has infected far less than the bubonic plague or smallpox for example
so why all the media hysteria
no one is afraid of those!!
just more libtard nonsense

The President's speech last night was PERFECT!
it shows how brilliantly he is handling the problem
and the full extent of his leadership capability!!
I feel highly reassured!!!

thank you ALL for voting for him, cuz I was stoopid and voted for Hillary
and not REAL SMART like you guys!!!
so again, thanks!!!





Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: BillyB on March 12, 2020, 04:16:36 PM
I haven't been to the doctor in years. My wife pushed me to make an appointment for a checkup. I made an appointment at the VA hospital in Seattle over a month ago and I promised to tell everyone about my what I see in the hospital there tomorrow but it's not going to happen.

I usually get calls from a computer reminding me of my appointment or telling me where the coronavirus testing is located in the hospital. Today I get a call from a human. The lady recommends I cancel but will keep the appointment if I insist. I ask what is the importance for cancelling. She said its for their safety but I feel it's also for patients safety and she's not telling people because she doesn't want to scare them. I told her I'm healthy, don't have anything contagious to hurt the staff, and just going in for a checkup so I'll keep the appointment. The lady proceeds to ask me a series of questions pertaining to my condition and where I been lately. Call was on speakerphone so wife runs over and tells me to cancel. I cancel.

Wife who's college quarter has been cancelled told me her teacher is currently working at the VA hospital. They have confirmed COVID-19 cases there and her teacher has to wear full protective gear. Seems like the hospital is getting busy and is needing people to cancel appointments. My wife told me they are injecting patients with high doses of Vitamin C as part of the therapeutic treatment. I went out to buy high doses of Vitamin C at Faux Pas recommendation a few days ago. Shelves were nearly empty but I got two bottles and my wife ordered real Vitamin C online. If you guys still have money left over after buying toilet paper, go out and buy Vitamin C to boost your immune system.

An Italian nurse talks about her work. It's a good read. Medical professionals are the front line soldiers in the fight against the virus.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/health/health-news/an-italian-coronavirus-nurse-posted-a-picture-of-her-face-bruised-from-wearing-a-mask-to-highlight-how-much-health-workers-are-struggling/ar-BB115QWS?ocid=spartanntp

Seattle's sex industry is getting decimated. Clients are cancelling appointments and there's no new clients to replace them. I see a lot of financial hardships coming for people in certain industries.

http://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/seattle-sex-workers-covid19-coronavirus-094500177.html

Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: Gator on March 12, 2020, 04:19:37 PM
Not really, it should be the number of deaths divided by the number of infected - which over time will change and become more accurate as the numbers and testing rise.

Correct.  Apples and oranges when comparing data from different nations, as per your South Korea example. The laboratory techniques likely differ too.     

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Statisticians will also go further by drilling down to the age groups most affected and their proportionate representation of the population.

Not just age, yet other factors such as existing health when infected.  I expect smoking also to be identified as an important  factor determining death rate.   
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: GQBlues on March 12, 2020, 04:34:59 PM
I haven't been to the doctor in years. My wife pushed me to make an appointment for a checkup. I made an appointment at the VA hospital in Seattle over a month ago and I promised to tell everyone about my what I see in the hospital there tomorrow but it's not going to happen.

I usually get calls from a computer reminding me of my appointment or telling me where the coronavirus testing is located in the hospital. Today I get a call from a human. The lady recommends I cancel but will keep the appointment if I insist. I ask what is the importance for cancelling. She said its for their safety but I feel it's also for patients safety and she's not telling people because she doesn't want to scare them. I told her I'm healthy, don't have anything contagious to hurt the staff, and just going in for a checkup so I'll keep the appointment. The lady proceeds to ask me a series of questions pertaining to my condition and where I been lately. Call was on speakerphone so wife runs over and tells me to cancel. I cancel.

Good for you, but maybe just reschedule it sometime in the near future. WA is the US epicenter right now. Being in a clinic where you are is probably not the best place to be in at this time. I was at my doctor's office Monday, and my doctor was more 'serious' about the craze than I. He's wearing the proverbial mask understandably, though I kid and asked him why it isn't at least a N95.

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Wife who's college quarter has been cancelled told me her teacher is currently working at the VA hospital. They have confirmed COVID-19 cases there and her teacher has to wear full protective gear. Seems like the hospital is getting busy and is needing people to cancel appointments. My wife told me they are injecting patients with high doses of Vitamin C as part of the therapeutic treatment. I went out to buy high doses of Vitamin C at Faux Pas recommendation a few days ago. Shelves were nearly empty but I got two bottles and my wife ordered real Vitamin C online. If you guys still have money left over after buying toilet paper, go out and buy Vitamin C to boost your immune system.

I hate to break it to you and FP, and you guys know how I feel about you two, but it's a myth that Vitamin C is helpful. Especially the supplements. If it has any advantage at all, I reckon it'll be fairly modest. Besides, unless you're on a strict burrito daily diet, you're like getting your daily Vit. C dosage already anyway. If not you're better off with a nice blueberry smoothie in the AM than a supplement. You'll be better off making sure you're adequate with your Vit. D daily requirement to help with your immune system.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: BillyB on March 12, 2020, 04:58:48 PM
Correct.  Apples and oranges when comparing data from different nations, as per your South Korea example. The laboratory techniques likely differ too.     


Look at the numbers coming in from trustworthy nations with top quality health care systems. Choose any nation with a good sample size. Death rates are much higher than swine flu. If I had a choice to experience swine flu 5 times in my life or CoOVID-19 once, I'm eating bacon every time.

   
Not just age, yet other factors such as existing health when infected.  I expect smoking also to be identified as an important  factor determining death rate.   


COVID-19 magnifies the chances to die for all age groups across the board. Young healthy people have a much smaller chance to die compared to old people when infected with the common flu. Young people's death rate is magnified with COVID-19 and if there is no cure and a young person gets it multiple times in their life, they may die before they get old.

There's a lot of articles going around downplaying how dangerous the virus is to reduce panic. I'm okay with them not telling the truth because panic kills too. But if you want the truth, don't believe what you hear. Use your eyes and see what is going on around you. After one confirmed infection, Mongolia shut down all schools. After one confirmed infection the NBA and other sports suspended their seasons and cancelled tournaments. Disneyland is closed. Some states have shut down all schools. Hospitals and governments are preparing for war against the virus. It's not an overreaction to a virus that's a little more dangerous than the flu and only kills old people. It's the proper reaction to a very dangerous virus that kills people of all ages and has the ability to change the way we live forever.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: Gator on March 12, 2020, 05:00:24 PM
You'll be better off making sure you're adequate with your Vit. D daily requirement to help with your immune system.

Vitamin D3 supplements will help the immune system, especially if you are exposed to little sunlight.       

Surprisingly I have seen little discussion of this in the COVID-19 chatter. 

"Specifically in respiratory health, vitamin D deficiency has been shown to increase the risk of upper respiratory tract infections and tuberculosis and to decrease the forced expiratory volume in 1 s (FEV1) in asthma and wheezing diseases."

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2759054/

Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 12, 2020, 05:07:06 PM
Trench, since people, experts, governments and the media are having a hard time understanding mortality rate which gets them to severely underestimate the danger of this virus, I'm going to do a comparison today so more people will "get it".

WHO doesn't use the word "Pandemic" often. They reserve that word for worldwide epidemics that threaten humanity. Let's do a little comparison with the COVID-19 pandemic and the last designated WHO pandemic, the 2009 Swine Flu.

Swine Flu in Europe had  500,000 infected  and  caused 2889 Deaths which means they had 497,111 Recoveries. Mortality rate is not calculated by infection. Mortality rate is deaths divided by deaths plus recoveries so basically it's 2889 divided by (2889 + 487,111). The confusion comes from deaths plus recoveries also equals total infections when an epidemic is over and people think infections is what needs to be used in calculating mortality rate but not true and during an event where people are currently fighting for their lives, using infections into the calculation definitely waters down mortality rate estimates as we see from the reports on COVID-19.  Since everybody is finished with their battle swine flu in Europe, the final mortality rate is .57% which is 5.7 times more deadlier than the flu which kills .1% of the people it infects. 1 out of every 173 people in Europe who caught the swine flu died. Normal flu we experience kills 1 out of every 1000 people.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_flu_pandemic_in_Europe

Italy, now with a large sample pool of COVID -19, has 15,113 infected, 1016 deaths, and 1258 recoveries. To calculate the current mortality rate of Italy deaths(1016) divided by (deaths(1016) plus recoveries(1258)) which translate to a 44.7% mortality rate killing close to 1 out of every 2 people in Italy and is 447 times more dangerous than the flu and 78.4 times more dangerous than the swine flu. Hopefully with more numbers coming it, death rate will go down but don't expect it to go down to swine flu pandemic numbers.

Even if someone doesn't understand numbers, they have eyes. Just look at the World crashing down around you in a very short time this virus showed up. This is just the beginning of COVID-19. It hasn't reached the amount of infections the Swine flu pandemic achieved yet but if it does, you will see quarantines implemented in a way that makes the Italian quarantine look like a joke. The world wasn't crashing during the swine flu pandemic. Not all pandemics are equal and COVID-19 kills people at a much higher rate than the flu and swine flu.

The high mortality rate is scary but what is more scary is that this coronavirus is related to the cold virus and humans have tried for over a 100 years to create a suitable vaccine for the cold viruses and failed. At least with the Swine flu virus, it was comforting to know that discovering a swine flu vaccine was possible and only a matter of time in getting it out to the public. Governments will tell you they are working on a vaccine. After a few years pass by, if they haven't found one, they probably never will. We get colds 2-3 times a year. With no cure, we may have to live with COVID-19 multiple times a year forever just like we live with cold viruses. Periodic quarantining may be a big part of our lives from here on out. The only solution we have now is locking down people, finding those infected, quarantine those people separate from the population and eradicate this virus from the human body so we don't have to live with it anymore. If we miss just ONE person and they go around infecting others, we will continue to have outbreaks. Fighting COVID-19 will cost lives and our economies but it must be done. Trying to do this cheap will cost humanity more in the end.

That's a pretty sobering assessment Billy.

Unfortunately it probably ties in with the UK Government Cobra briefing today, at least in parts. There was still bs coming out so as not to panic the stupid in the population such as elating the overall infections to mortality then just stating that I may be higher in the elderly especially those with pre-existing conditions.

However they admitted that up to around 80 percent of the population may get Coronavirus. So that's pretty much everyone. Boris gave a stark warning that we are likely to lose many loved ones. Despite trying to not show fear I think he looked to be trying to cover a lot of worry. Although he didn't press the point to a specific extreme extent he said this Virus will be the biggest obstacle of our generation. My underlying impression taking into account what you have found out is that the scientists are telling him that initial signs are not good news. They could have well told him it's a pretty dire situation much as you have outlined.

Some virus epidemics only die out once they can't find any more humans. Basically because so many have been killed off. While these days we can develop vaccines if one can't be developed that is the situation we may be facing.

The only other realistic hope might be that it doesn't easily reinfect people that have already had it, and/or it has a far milder affect. Potentially even other strains of it may not have as great an effect. Some reports suggest there may be people having mild cases of it first time around, perhaps moreso the young. If it is possible that this virus ends up as no worse than a mild cold in the long term then that would take away the problem over time.

It looks like this virus looks set to clear away the old to make way for the new.

If it really does go as bad you outline Billy then there is also the very probable and scary reality of society going into meltdown. The stockpiling going on won't last forever in which case we have to consider there will be little in the way of future supplies. We would need to adapt to find our own source of food if the convenience of it no longer being delivered to supermarket shelves becomes a reality.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: Gator on March 12, 2020, 05:07:26 PM
if it does continue to grow
then by the end of winter, it’ll be GAME OVER

      ...


thank you ALL for voting for him, cuz I was stoopid and voted for Hillary
and not REAL SMART like you guys!!!
so again, thanks!!!



I originally thought your criticism of Trump regarding COVID-19 was merely political partisanship.  Now I believe it is a product of anxiety, a not uncommon condition these days.

Krim, you and I and our healthy loved ones will make it through this episode.  Humans, especially Americans, are resilient. 
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: BillyB on March 12, 2020, 05:31:56 PM
Boris gave a stark warning that we are likely to lose many loved ones. Despite trying to not show fear I think he looked to be trying to cover a lot of worry. Although he didn't press the point to a specific extreme extent he said this Virus will be the biggest obstacle of our generation. My underlying impression taking into account what you have found out is that the scientists are telling him that initial signs are not good news. They could have well told him it's a pretty dire situation much as you have outlined.


Governments and large organizations have access to some of the top doctors and experts on viruses and epidemics and they tell those experts "Give me the NO BS description of this new coronavirus". After getting the NO BS version, governments and organizations will take action that doesn't make sense because most people got the BS description of the virus that it's not a big deal. I didn't watch the Boris video but I did watch Trump and I can see Trump is worried. There is no quick solution. There will be a huge cost in lives and economy to battle the virus.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: Hammer2722 on March 12, 2020, 05:51:17 PM
I was supposed to see my primary care doctor this last Tuesday as a blood draw follow-up. Got a call Monday afternoon asking to cancel my appt. as my Dr. was exposed to Covid19 and is now self isolating himself...... I live in Kitsap County, WA. I may have dodged a bullet....
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 12, 2020, 06:24:01 PM
Governments and large organizations have access to some of the top doctors and experts on viruses and epidemics and they tell those experts "Give me the NO BS description of this new coronavirus". After getting the NO BS version, governments and organizations will take action that doesn't make sense because most people got the BS description of the virus that it's not a big deal. I didn't watch the Boris video but I did watch Trump and I can see Trump is worried. There is no quick solution. There will be a huge cost in lives and economy to battle the virus.

For sure, I fear that this virus will cause a miserable life for many of us, those that survive if course. All because the dumb arse Chinese never learnt after the close call with Sars that eating wild animals is just not worth the risk. They should have banned it outright with stiff penalties, imprisonment, etc.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: krimster2 on March 12, 2020, 07:24:11 PM
guys...

look at these two numbers, ok...

date              number of new cases
3-8-2020       40
3-12-2020     415

in the last 4 days, the number of new cases per day, climbed 1,000% here in the USA!!!!!!


ok, the way for rednecks, and other social riff raff to understand visually what's happening is this web site here for ya'll

http://publichealth.harriscountytx.gov/Resources/2019-Novel-Coronavirus

zoom in on the USA...

see all them thar "red dots"
well them thar red dots is gonna grow bigger and bigger
and then....
there's gonna be more and more and more and more
of them there red dots...
until they is all touchin each other
like a bunch of possum babies at dinner time
and the USA is just a big ole red dot

me, I just hired my first blond teen delivery girl using a webcam interview (more on her later)
because I'm gonna live like Howard Hughes and completely isolate myself from the world
except for the teen girls!!!

my wife and children are self quarantining "real soon now" according to them
both my children now only attend university online!!!
apparently, I pay $48,000 per year for each one of them for an online education, and I'm actually OK with that!!!
the weird world I live in now

also guys...
I think I just figured out something about the virus based on what I see from the low rate happening in Costa Rica!!!
it's the dry season there!!!!!

I think the virus likes it more where it's wet compared to dryer
will spread faster in those conditions

and rate of increase is proportional to population density...
big densities get hit harder earlier

Costa Rica should just cut all tourist travel, but the country lives by tourism
so the same thing that happened to the USA in January is starting to happen in Costa Rica now..

i'm beginning to think there are actually lots of infected people, maybe younger, who don't know they're infected yet
and so they're getting on planes and infecting older people who become symptomatic...
and we're just letting them come on in to uninfected areas
the world needs a harder travel quarantine NOW!
but maybe already too late
even for Costa Rica
and doing that would only shave a week off at best from exponential stage
and bog help us when that comes...
when the whether turns cold and rainy....












 
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: BillyB on March 12, 2020, 08:04:39 PM
I hate to break it to you and FP, and you guys know how I feel about you two, but it's a myth that Vitamin C is helpful. Especially the supplements. If it has any advantage at all, I reckon it'll be fairly modest. Besides, unless you're on a strict burrito daily diet, you're like getting your daily Vit. C dosage already anyway. If not you're better off with a nice blueberry smoothie in the AM than a supplement. You'll be better off making sure you're adequate with your Vit. D daily requirement to help with your immune system.


Back in the old days Vitamin C was used to prevent and treat Scurvy. It works. Today it's used for treating and preventing the common cold according to the link below. Remember what I said about this coronavirus being related to the cold virus? It makes sense what my wife said about the doctors at the hospital are giving super infusions of Vitamin C to coronavirus patients. I call a friend of mine who was a nurse. He said Vitamin C does work but mileage may vary. Some people will benefit from it more than others. I learned more about Vitamin C today and I recommend everybody buy some since it'll improve your immunity system, and good for treating colds since this new virus is related to the cold virus.

http://www.webmd.com/vitamins/ai/ingredientmono-1001/vitamin-c-ascorbic-acid

My wife's college just sent out an email that one of the students has COVID-19
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: fathertime on March 12, 2020, 08:08:50 PM


But I find it interesting that Nevada doesn't have a recorded infected person considering Las Vegas, Reno, and Lake Tahoe are huge gathering areas...
check this out. 

Wynn Resorts uses thermal cameras to screen guests, 100.4 degrees or higher asked to leave


In the wake of the coronavirus pandemic, Wynn Resorts is using thermal cameras to monitor the temperatures of guests.

“We will be screening for temperature using non-invasive thermal cameras at all our entrances,” Wynn CEO Matt Maddox said in a statement about new company policies in response to the intensifying spread of COVID- 19.

The USA TODAY Network asked the company how it will use temperature readings:

"Any person registering a temperature of 100.4F or higher will be discreetly informed by a trained member of the security team and not be permitted to remain inside the resort," a company statement said....


 http://www.yahoo.com/news/wynn-resorts-uses-thermal-cameras-005725038.html   (http://www.yahoo.com/news/wynn-resorts-uses-thermal-cameras-005725038.html)
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: fathertime on March 12, 2020, 08:11:23 PM
Views from the looney far-right. You'd think a pandemic would be a time for a country to unite, guess not.

http://www.yahoo.com/news/sean-hannity-thinks-coronavirus-panic-120516477.html

I heard hannity today briefly while driving....his partisanship was absolutely disgusting.  what is worse is the multitude of lemmings that buy his bs hook line and sinker.

Fathertime! 
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: fathertime on March 12, 2020, 08:24:54 PM

There's a lot of articles going around downplaying how dangerous the virus is to reduce panic. I'm okay with them not telling the truth because panic kills too. But if you want the truth, don't believe what you hear. Use your eyes and see what is going on around you. After one confirmed infection, Mongolia shut down all schools. After one confirmed infection the NBA and other sports suspended their seasons and cancelled tournaments. Disneyland is closed. Some states have shut down all schools. Hospitals and governments are preparing for war against the virus. It's not an overreaction to a virus that's a little more dangerous than the flu and only kills old people. It's the proper reaction to a very dangerous virus that kills people of all ages and has the ability to change the way we live forever.
I'm going to have to agree with billyb on this one.  It is amazing how many people hannity has influenced into believing the covid virus is nothing much.   talk show host Dennis Prager was lamenting what a bunch of wussies our society is for closing schools, and things like that. What a partisan idiot!  It is as if we are supposed to wait until a kid is infected so he can infect 10 other kids.  IF the virus is as serious as it seems it might be, the schools should be closed.  Prager is obese, old, and likes to smoke cigars, let's see how his tough talk handles the virus, if it comes his way.

Fathertime! 
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: fathertime on March 12, 2020, 08:27:33 PM
  Humans, especially Americans, are resilient.
No, not 'especially americans'.  We are not exceptionally resilient, no more so then other peoples.  Other people suffer many more hardships and are resilient. 

Fathertime! 
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 12, 2020, 08:27:59 PM
Some more bad news about the virus:

http://amp.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/health-environment/article/3074988/coronavirus-some-recovered-patients-may-have

Only potentially positive news was that they are going to test out some antibiotics they developed for the likes of ebola, etc.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: fathertime on March 12, 2020, 08:32:52 PM



my wife and children are self quarantining "real soon now" according to them
both my children now only attend university online!!!
apparently, I pay $48,000 per year for each one of them for an online education, and I'm actually OK with that!!!
the weird world I live in now
We are in the same boat, my daughters classes end today from here on out  Online classes only, 44k a year for her education as a MD at some point.   

Fathertime! 
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: mhr7 on March 12, 2020, 08:33:57 PM
Back in the old days Vitamin C was used to prevent and treat Scurvy.

It still prevents scurvy as scurvy is a lack of vitamin C. Humans can't produce vitamin C so it needs to come from our diet.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: GQBlues on March 12, 2020, 08:35:31 PM
check this out. 

WOW! So Vegas is starting to shade too. The PGA cancelled the next 5 tournament. March Madness cancelled the 2020 schedule. We got notified the Getty museum is closing until further notice. Disney, universal, etc. I haven’t received anything from the Reagan library but I’m sure they’ll follow suit soon too.

NASCAR is probably the only sporting venue left that continues on albeit with no spectators. My club had been closed but it’s because of the current storm so I’m awaiting to see if notification of course shutdown is in the future.

California have a moratorium for all venues that’s >250 folks. This will include theaters, religious congregation, malls, etc...
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: Gator on March 12, 2020, 08:37:53 PM
I think I just figured out something about the virus based on what I see from the low rate happening in Costa Rica!!!
it's the dry season there!!!!!

Nice try.  Iran has an arid climate except in a narrow littoral strip along the Caspian Sea.  However, of the 9" of annual rainfall, a vast majority occurs over the six months from November thru April (creating excellent ski conditions  in the mountains) 

Quote
and rate of increase is proportional to population density...
big densities get hit harder earlier

Higher opportunity for contact and exposure.  Social distancing near impossible in transit - think about the many surfaces one touches in using the subway, the close proximity of riders, etc.

Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: fathertime on March 12, 2020, 08:38:25 PM
WOW! So Vegas is starting to shade too. The PGA cancelled the next 5 tournament. March Madness cancelled the 2020 schedule. We got notified the Getty museum is closing until further notice. Disney, universal, etc. I haven’t received anything from the Reagan library but I’m sure they’ll follow suit soon too.

NASCAR is probably the only sporting venue left that continues on albeit with no spectators. My club had been closed but it’s because of the current storm so I’m awaiting to see if notification of course shutdown is in the future.
the santa anita race track must be closing, because my sisters 50th birthday was cancelled this weekend at the track.  I just read the races will go off, but without fans in the stands.     

Fathertime! 
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: fathertime on March 12, 2020, 08:42:48 PM
WOW! So Vegas is starting to shade too. The PGA cancelled the next 5 tournament. March Madness cancelled the 2020 schedule. We got notified the Getty museum is closing until further notice. Disney, universal, etc. I haven’t received anything from the Reagan library but I’m sure they’ll follow suit soon too.

NASCAR is probably the only sporting venue left that continues on albeit with no spectators. My club had been closed but it’s because of the current storm so I’m awaiting to see if notification of course shutdown is in the future.

California have a moratorium for all venues that’s >250 folks.
I stopped in briefly at pechanga Last weekend as I was passing through.  Definitely less people, by now I'm guessing it would be a ghost town.  I'm curious to see if CA shuts them down...although they are on sovereign indian land probably, i"m not sure if that makes a difference. 

Fathertime! 
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: GQBlues on March 12, 2020, 08:45:58 PM
I thinks it transcends all sector of humanity.

Part of me feels somewhat relieved that the majority of California’s population are non-smokers. There’s got to be some advantage for people who don’t smoke.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: BillyB on March 12, 2020, 08:50:30 PM
Some more bad news about the virus:

http://amp.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/health-environment/article/3074988/coronavirus-some-recovered-patients-may-have


Trench, once you get this virus, don't expect to be a 100% healthy human being ever again if you survive, especially if you get pneumonia. The damage to your lungs most likely will be permanent. After a patient survives the virus, the patient may continue to be a burden on the health care system.

Trump is considering banning travel to my State which would be another step forward towards a full blown quarantine. I pasted by a motel 10 minutes away from my home this morning. It was closed and the parking lot was barricaded off but had a government vehicle in the parking lot. Sounds like my local government bought another hotel to make a hospital. If they did buy another hotel, they didn't advertise it like the last one which people protested they didn't want infected people near their neighborhoods.


Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: fathertime on March 12, 2020, 08:51:12 PM
Odd that California is being considered and not NY which has more infections and more concentrated population.

Trump considers travel restrictions to California and Washington in attempt to stop coronavirus spread

President Trump said Thursday that travel restrictions to California and Washington, two states hit hard by the coronavirus outbreak, were possible “if an area gets too hot.”

One day after announcing a 30-day suspension of travel from the European Union to the United States, Trump was asked by a reporter in the Oval Office whether domestic restrictions were also possible.

“Is it a possibility?” Trump responded. “Yes, if somebody gets a little bit out of control, if an area gets too hot.”

Trump canceled his own trip to Nevada and Colorado minutes after announcing the EU travel restrictions.

Of the more than 1,400 cases of coronavirus confirmed in the United States, the largest number, 341, are in Washington state. New York has reported 327 cases, the second-highest, and California currently has 201....
.

  http://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-considers-travel-restrictions-to-california-and-washington-in-attempt-to-stop-coronavirus-spread-204627351.html  (http://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-considers-travel-restrictions-to-california-and-washington-in-attempt-to-stop-coronavirus-spread-204627351.html)

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Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: GQBlues on March 12, 2020, 09:01:19 PM
:devil:

I’m sure it hasn’t escaped you that it isn’t just a coincidence that the hardest hit states also happens to be the, eherm, blue states.

Methinks maybe Jesus is a Republican.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: mhr7 on March 12, 2020, 09:02:49 PM
Trench, once you get this virus, don't expect to be a 100% healthy human being ever again if you survive, especially if you get pneumonia. The damage to your lungs most likely will be permanent. After a patient survives the virus, the patient may continue to be a burden on the health care system.

Billy, where do you get your medical information from? Most recover within 2 weeks and are just fine.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: BillyB on March 12, 2020, 09:22:02 PM
Billy, where do you get your medical information from? Most recover within 2 weeks and are just fine.

Most people who contracted the virus has mild symptoms but some people get pneumonia which can cause permanent damage to the lungs. Surviving the virus is to be celebrated but some survivors may need to be on a breathing machine for the rest of their lives.

http://www.premierhealth.com/faq/are-there-any-long-term-effects-from-having-pneumonia-

Prime Minister of Canada Trudeau's wife got the virus.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/canada-trudeaus-wife-tests-positive-for-new-coronavirus/ar-BB117s22?ocid=spartanntp
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: krimster2 on March 12, 2020, 09:23:14 PM
my projection in a "nutshell" for the USA

wherever Italy is...
is where the USA will be 2 weeks later
so watch what happens there...

pretty much every country in the world is "somewhere on the spectrum"

people are going to totally underestimate this...
cuz later a few months from now, when the numbers start to go down in the USA
they are all gonna cheer....
like they're doin in China now

but when everyone starts goin back to work
and the weather goes back to bein cold and rainy in China
it'll come back there twice as hard as the first time...
and be a totally new strain no one is immune to

ok...
guys...
I also think a war is coming to!!!

pestilence
poverty
war
and democrats



Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: calmissile on March 12, 2020, 09:32:12 PM
Trench, once you get this virus, don't expect to be a 100% healthy human being ever again if you survive, especially if you get pneumonia. The damage to your lungs most likely will be permanent. After a patient survives the virus, the patient may continue to be a burden on the health care system.

Trump is considering banning travel to my State which would be another step forward towards a full blown quarantine. I pasted by a motel 10 minutes away from my home this morning. It was closed and the parking lot was barricaded off but had a government vehicle in the parking lot. Sounds like my local government bought another hotel to make a hospital. If they did buy another hotel, they didn't advertise it like the last one which people protested they didn't want infected people near their neighborhoods.

Billy,
Your fear mongering on this issue is off the rails!  You provide opinions that are totally false and/or not supported by the facts of those with expertise in the topics.

For example, your statement that anyone that gets the virus will never be normal or 100% healthy again.  That opinion is reckless and untrue.  As stated by many medical experts, many of those that contract the virus don't even know it and may not have any symptoms and in many cases the symptoms are no more severe than the common flu.  I have never heard any medical expert make the claims that you make in your statement.

As best as I can tell, neither you nor I have the expertise to offer credible opinions on the affects of this virus.

One fact that has been widely reported is that the statistics suggest that those most at risk for this virus are the elderly with underlying health conditions.  That appears to be a FACT.  The recommendations for the elderly to take special precautions to avoid contracting the virus makes sense.

You did the same thing with your opinions and statements on aviation related matters including accidents.  As far as I know you are not a pilot, have no instrument rating, and do not have a background in aviation maintenance.

If you want to cut and paste news articles that we all can find and read ourselves, that is fine, but lets lay off drawing conclusions and inferences that are not supported by those knowledgeable in the topics.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: msmob on March 12, 2020, 09:33:37 PM
Some more bad news about the virus:

http://amp.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/health-environment/article/3074988/coronavirus-some-recovered-patients-may-have

Only potentially positive news was that they are going to test out some antibiotics they developed for the likes of ebola, etc.

 :deadhorse:


Trench, at what age did you get expelled from school ?

Ebola is a VIRUS..

Did you learn NOTHING in your biology classes ..?
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: BillyB on March 12, 2020, 09:50:51 PM
Billy,
Your fear mongering on this issue is off the rails!  You provide opinions that are totally false and/or not supported by the facts of those with expertise in the topics.

For example, your statement that anyone that gets the virus will never be normal or 100% healthy again.


I didn't say that. I said don't expect to be a 100% healthy human being if one survives the virus. If you want to believe all survivors will be 100% healthy after acquiring the virus, go for it if it gives you peace of mind.

Article below describes some of the effects on organs from COVID-19. Part of the problem is our immunity system goes into overdrive and kills everything in the way including healthy tissue. Some people's lungs will look like a honeycomb after the fight with the virus.

http://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/2020/02/here-is-what-coronavirus-does-to-the-body/

People have long term physical and mental issues from the first SARS epidemic. Learning from history will prepare us for what to expect right now.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/health-and-fitness/health/ten-years-later-sars-still-haunts-survivors-and-health-care-workers/article9363178/

As best as I can tell, neither you nor I have the expertise to offer credible opinions on the affects of this virus.


I'm a pretty smart cookie, smart enough to know not everybody is going to believe me. It's why I put a link showing pneumonia can cause permanent lung damage. COVID-19 can lead to pneumonia.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: mhr7 on March 12, 2020, 10:33:05 PM
I said don't expect to be a 100% healthy human being if one survives the virus.

Which is dead wrong, Mr. Smart Cookie.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 12, 2020, 11:51:09 PM
:deadhorse:


Trench, at what age did you get expelled from school ?

Ebola is a VIRUS..

Did you learn NOTHING in your biology classes ..?

I didn't say Ebola wasn't a virus.

Well here's a Maths lesson for you Mobe, no you always insist that lumping the overall number of infections and set that against the number that have died to get to the 1 percent or similar figures who have died.

However, you realise that when infections start going down and hence less people are dying this figure you have is going to go way high even though there would be far less infections & people dying, lol. Go figure that one Mobers!
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: BC on March 13, 2020, 12:27:52 AM
As for what we are mistakenly calling 'mortality rate' here

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Case_fatality_rate#

Watch the video at top right of the page.

Then start putting the math on paper and posting.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 13, 2020, 01:47:19 AM
I would say the CFR is the CFR, not the mortality rate.

Anyway, no more Coronavirus cases in Dorset region of the UK as far as known for the last 2-3 days. As the early cases in this country showed it can be controlled if the chance to spread is targeted. I think they should have lockdown zones here & subzones to make it easier to check it's spread and a general curfew. I think though however that businesses should in the main stay open. To close them like Italy did risks undermining a country's ability to tackle the threat.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 13, 2020, 02:48:43 AM
Been thinking at work this last day or so also when I consider the office I work in, all of the potential of transmitting a virus it is quite surprising. It's more the little things that tend to be overlooked I find like people using the same pens, staplers, hole punch, folders, etc. When you think of how many times different people may pick up and put them down and likely never cleaned it's surprising. It's small items like these that are probably often overlooked transmitters of viruses year after year. Instead of the convention of sharing we are brought up with & using company equipment it is likely to be best practice to each bring our own work out a deal with the employer on the contribution towards such.

Like I say I think different working practises area key here. Some workers could work from home but that's not always possible for many employees at the moment I'm thinking.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: GQBlues on March 13, 2020, 02:59:27 AM
Back in the old days Vitamin C was used to prevent and treat Scurvy. It works. Today it's used for treating and preventing the common cold according to the link below. Remember what I said about this coronavirus being related to the cold virus? It makes sense what my wife said about the doctors at the hospital are giving super infusions of Vitamin C to coronavirus patients. I call a friend of mine who was a nurse. He said Vitamin C does work but mileage may vary. Some people will benefit from it more than others. I learned more about Vitamin C today and I recommend everybody buy some since it'll improve your immunity system, and good for treating colds since this new virus is related to the cold virus.

Billy are you even reading the link you provide? Your claim is counter to what the very citation you’re providing as support is saying.

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Common cold. There is some controversy about the effectiveness of vitamin C for treating the common cold. However, most research shows that taking 1-3 grams of vitamin C might shorten the course of the cold by 1 to 1.5 days. Taking vitamin C does not appear to prevent colds.

However, if you’re one of those who hoarded a decades supply of toilet paper, then rest assured it’ll come in handy when you come home with drums of Vit. C supplements.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: GQBlues on March 13, 2020, 03:05:46 AM
I didn't say that. I said don't expect to be a 100% healthy human being if one survives the virus. If you want to believe all survivors will be 100% healthy after acquiring the virus, go for it if it gives you peace of mind.

Article below describes some of the effects on organs from COVID-19. Part of the problem is our immunity system goes into overdrive and kills everything in the way including healthy tissue. Some people's lungs will look like a honeycomb after the fight with the virus.

http://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/2020/02/here-is-what-coronavirus-does-to-the-body/

I thought you refuted the genesis of the strains of coronavirus? Then you provide another link with a report linking the genesis to which you refuted.

Billy, take a breather, man. You’re burning your keyboards Googling. You’re starting to disagree with yourself.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: BC on March 13, 2020, 03:56:28 AM
I would say the CFR is the CFR, not the mortality rate.

Trench, mortality is usually applied to the general population, like X per hundred thousand die of heart attacks.

CFR is how many that have heart attacks die.

In this case the interesting figure is how many that get infected end up dead.

http://opendatadpc.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/b0c68bce2cce478eaac82fe38d4138b1

For Italy, out of 15,113 confirmed positive covid cases 1016 have died, this results at the moment to a raw CFR of around 6.7% that does not include cases not confirmed because symptoms remained mild and passed as a common cold or flu would, or even no symptoms at all.  Symptoms are basically the same and only a test can confirm the difference. Most of those that get tested are already showing concerning symptoms, enough so that testing is warranted.

Billy seems to be using the 'recovered' vs 'deaths', but overlooks that the definition of 'recovered' is folks that were hospitalized, then released. What is not known is how many have been admitted, so it's a very 'fuzzy' calculation and 'fuzzy' result he is attempting.  Not everyone is admitted, only the more serious cases.  Of those serious cases, so far less than half die.  This number is decreasing daily as now more folks are being released from hospitals as 'recovered' than die.

Also remember that Italy hosts as many tourists per year as there are inhabitants, mainly in the north.  They arrive from every corner of the planet. That's around 5 million per month for a country that is around 70% the size of California. Consider the more dense tourist area in the north, Milan, Venice, Florence, Pisa etc consider 3-4 million tourists in an area the size of NY state.   Add lots of cheek kissing, men-men, women-men, women-women helps to explain the rapid spread of infection.  Don't use that as an excuse though, the final numbers of infection per 100.000 won't be that different, just that it may take a bit longer elsewhere for it to spread.  We can't stop it but we can slow down the pace.


Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: msmob on March 13, 2020, 04:42:30 AM
Trench - WHO wrote this ?



Only potentially positive news was that they are going to test out some antibiotics they developed for the likes of ebola, etc.


I didn't say Ebola wasn't a virus.

Indeed, you just suggested scientists had developed an antibiotic for Ebola ...  :deadhorse:

Yours and BillyB's 'stats' are as hilarious ...


Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: msmob on March 13, 2020, 04:52:35 AM
Just been on a virtual shopping trip with SC

She's been to Makro ( a wholesaler) where they let her in with our UK Makro card !

To gain entry ( in addition to proving one is a trader) - SC first has to be scanned to see if she has a fever ( this is the guy in front!) ..

THEN one proceeds to apply hand santiser ...  in the UK it would be stolen ... ((

Same for a shopping mall - you're scanned and must apply sanitiser to one's hands


I'm wondering why the UK doesn't apply the same rules ?



Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: BC on March 13, 2020, 05:11:49 AM
I'm wondering why the UK doesn't apply the same rules ?

Patience.. it may well come to that in UK and other places.  Especially the larger chains that may face liability issues for just letting folks in uncontrolled or not taking prudent measures.

Interesting questions in a recent hearing in Congress:

Q:  A fortune 500 country wants to test their employees in order to protect themselves from lawsuits down the road.

A:  uh... uhmm... there are a wide range of options like teleworking we can suggest. We don't have the capability to test folks that just want to be tested and don't have symptoms..

(paraphrased)
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: Faux Pas on March 13, 2020, 05:36:39 AM

I hate to break it to you and FP, and you guys know how I feel about you two, but it's a myth that Vitamin C is helpful. Especially the supplements. If it has any advantage at all, I reckon it'll be fairly modest. Besides, unless you're on a strict burrito daily diet, you're like getting your daily Vit. C dosage already anyway. If not you're better off with a nice blueberry smoothie in the AM than a supplement. You'll be better off making sure you're adequate with your Vit. D daily requirement to help with your immune system.

Meh, different strokes for different folks. I believe in the power  of vitamin C. What I suggested to Billy is what I do myself. Particularly in the winter months I will hammer VC pretty hard. Yeah I'll take 2000mg and even knock it back with orange juice. If there's flu in the air I'll do it twice a day. I've been doing it for years. That was advice from a doctor friend of mine. He does it to.

In Wuhan they are finding VC therapy helpful in combating the virus for those infected and many of those not infected and taking heavy doses are not getting infected. I do understand what you believe about the smoothies but in many instances it's just not enough. Better living through chemistry. Everyone's best bet short of the cure is a strong immune system
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: msmob on March 13, 2020, 05:38:54 AM
Something wonderful from Italy ... How 'self-isolation' led to impromptu choirs ..

http://video.repubblica.it/dossier/coronavirus-wuhan-2020/coronavirus-nelle-citta-deserte-si-canta-insieme-alle-finestre-l-effetto-e-struggente/355736/356302
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: Faux Pas on March 13, 2020, 05:40:39 AM

Wife who's college quarter has been cancelled told me her teacher is currently working at the VA hospital. They have confirmed COVID-19 cases there and her teacher has to wear full protective gear. Seems like the hospital is getting busy and is needing people to cancel appointments. My wife told me they are injecting patients with high doses of Vitamin C as part of the therapeutic treatment. I went out to buy high doses of Vitamin C at Faux Pas recommendation a few days ago. Shelves were nearly empty but I got two bottles and my wife ordered real Vitamin C online. If you guys still have money left over after buying toilet paper, go out and buy Vitamin C to boost your immune system.

There's also a supplement called Energen. It's pretty good stuff and a caffine boast as well. There's 1000mg VC per packet.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: GQBlues on March 13, 2020, 05:45:15 AM
It was barely a decade ago when N1H1 broke out in the US. It killed almost 20,000, over half a million worldwide. That was killing mostly middle aged people and younger, as opposed to the very old and with medical conditions. Yet, I don’t remember witnessing the same anxiety I do now, and certainly not the same insane deluge of media coverage, and cancellations, shutdowns, lockdowns, etc.

How times have changed.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: Chelseaboy on March 13, 2020, 05:53:49 AM
Social media and 24 hours news channels have inflamed the hype.

I'm a football fan and the 24 hour sports channels get most of their breaking stories from twitter and Instagram,most of which proves to be BS...says it all about news coverage nowadays.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: msmob on March 13, 2020, 05:54:12 AM
It was barely a decade ago when N1H1 broke out in the US. It killed almost 20,000, over half a million worldwide. That was killing mostly middle aged people and younger, as opposed to the very old and with medical conditions. Yet, I don’t remember witnessing the same anxiety I do now, and certainly not the same insane deluge of media coverage, and cancellations, shutdowns, lockdowns, etc.

How times have changed.

Your figures for A/N1H1 are probably WAY under - as it turned out .. but the sentiment is sound ..

http://news.cgtn.com/news/2020-02-08/A-look-at-U-S-H1N1-virus-compared-to-China-2020-coronavirus-Part-I-NUWmASvwqc/index.html (http://news.cgtn.com/news/2020-02-08/A-look-at-U-S-H1N1-virus-compared-to-China-2020-coronavirus-Part-I-NUWmASvwqc/index.html)
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: BC on March 13, 2020, 05:55:19 AM
Wife just back from shopping at Aldi a couple of towns over.

Was not stopped for police control but did have an auto certification with her stating intent for her trip. Grocery shopping is considered a necessity so is ok.

No shortages, store fully stocked, not crowded, no waiting line to get in.  Someone was posted near the fresh bread and veggie/fruit section reminding folks to use the provided gloves.

I went to pick up a package at Mailboxes, on the way took a picture of the signs I saw kids putting up yesterday.

'Everything is gonna be fine'...  That's the spirit.

Note: We're a good ways south of the critical areas around Lombardy.  Up north it will be a bit different in the big cities, but nothing chaotic or anywhere near that that I can see from news reports.

Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: GQBlues on March 13, 2020, 05:57:23 AM
Meh, different strokes for different folks. I believe in the power  of vitamin C. What I suggested to Billy is what I do myself. Particularly in the winter months I will hammer VC pretty hard. Yeah I'll take 2000mg and even knock it back with orange juice. If there's flu in the air I'll do it twice a day. I've been doing it for years. That was advice from a doctor friend of mine. He does it to.

In Wuhan they are finding VC therapy helpful in combating the virus for those infected and many of those not infected and taking heavy doses are not getting infected. I do understand what you believe about the smoothies but in many instances it's just not enough. Better living through chemistry. Everyone's best bet short of the cure is a strong immune system

FP-

I read the therapy application to infected folks report in Wuhan. IIRC, it’s inconclusive. Further testing/therapy was administered to non-infected folks, the same thing, result is mixed.

I know the virtue of perception. FWIW, OJ have very high fructose content. It is so bad for your liver. Americans have a very high number of diabetics. I suggest maybe a bit of caution. What I’m able to absorb at my younger days is far different than what my body can today.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: BC on March 13, 2020, 06:15:45 AM
There is an arthritis drug that Italians are seemingly having some success with recovery in bad cases. Was first used in China. Reports are that it is already being used here and stock for each province already ordered and is on the way.  Obviously not a cure or preventative measure, more like the last hope for getting some off respirators or keeping others from having to need one.

Hope it works well and if so thanks China.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: Faux Pas on March 13, 2020, 06:21:52 AM
FP-

I read the therapy application to infected folks report in Wuhan. IIRC, it’s inconclusive. Further testing/therapy was administered to non-infected folks, the same thing, result is mixed.

I know the virtue of perception. FWIW, OJ have very high fructose content. It is so bad for your liver. Americans have a very high number of diabetics. I suggest maybe a bit of caution. What I’m able to absorb at my younger days is far different than what my body can today.

It is inconclusive and I'd suspect the successes probably have other factors involved but, VC doesn't hurt you per se'. One can't OD on it but you can have an insufficiency. VC does boost the immune system which helps to fight attacks on the body by viruses. For me it makes sense. So, rather than buying 10 years of TP and water to soothe the anxiety I'll "boost up" LOL

I am one of those diabetics and I'm a bit of a juice queer. I love my juice but no sir, my OJ is normally fresh squeezed. Water, juice and alcohol is about all of the liquids I consume
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: GQBlues on March 13, 2020, 06:45:03 AM
...
I am one of those diabetics and I'm a bit of a juice queer. I love my juice but no sir, my OJ is normally fresh squeezed. Water, juice and alcohol is about all of the liquids I consume

Bruddah, are you kiddin’ me!? I used to raze a bushel full of mandarin oranges in one sitting. As a kid, I’d go through a half a dozen unripe mangoes like it was bread. The greener the more sour, the better. Papayas, pineapples, jackfruits, etc.. That’s after having a nice bowl of loco moco for breakfast ( bowl of white rice with two sunny side up eggs, spam, then drenched in soy sauce). The stuff is king, baby!

Result of my blood draw last Monday had my doctor jumping with joy. A1C read is down 5 pegs. I’m currently at 6.1. Literally teetering at the point of no return, Bro. I say, slow down bud. Move over one lane down. No need to speed on that fast lane. Folks like us are near our destination point these days.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: Faux Pas on March 13, 2020, 07:02:54 AM
Bruddah, are you kiddin’ me!? I used to raze a bushel full of mandarin oranges in one sitting. As a kid, I’d go through a half a dozen unripe mangoes like it was bread. The greener the more sour, the better. Papayas, pineapples, jackfruits, etc.. That’s after having a nice bowl of loco moco for breakfast ( bowl of white rice with two sunny side up eggs, spam, then drenched in soy sauce). The stuff is king, baby!

Result of my blood draw last Monday had my doctor jumping with joy. A1C read is down 5 pegs. I’m currently at 6.1. Literally teetering at the point of no return, Bro. I say, slow down bud. Move over one lane down. No need to speed on that fast lane. Folks like us are near our destination point these days.

LOL slow down from what? Any slower and I'll literally be starving myself to death. I had a heart attack 8 years ago and that's when I was diagnosed diabetic. My diet made a complete 180 and I've lost 100 lbs. The wife who's always been a conscientious healthy eater holds my feet to the fire. No refined sugar of any sort enters our domain unless it has snuck in by some of those crafty sneaky bastards hiding it in something or other. No frucose or syrups of any kind. My A1C teeters in the high 6 low 7. The biggest difference for me was losing the weight
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: HoundDaddyLee on March 13, 2020, 07:31:42 AM
"Not really, it should be the number of deaths divided by the number of infected"

ok, but why?
since you don't know the outcome of the currently infected, they are currently "alive" but 5% will die later
this leads to quite a variance
I kinda think the deaths/recovery is a more accurate metric with less variance
moy dva kopec
but I'm just lookin at it numerically
maybe there's a non-numeric reason to look at it as you suggest
I dunno, can you explain why you chose your calculation?


This is an interesting math problem, Krim. Earlier in the thread you mention that young people are not getting it. Are they not getting it (they took a test and it showed they were not infected) or are they getting it, but because they are young and without preexisting conditions, they are fine after a week? It would be interesting to show the statistics of who has been tested by age. If this virus only goes for old people, it would have to point to an engineered virus, would it not?


I know that the company I work for has prohibited any domestic and international business travel until the end of May...


HDL
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: BillyB on March 13, 2020, 07:53:28 AM
As for what we are mistakenly calling 'mortality rate' here

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Case_fatality_rate#

Watch the video at top right of the page.

Then start putting the math on paper and posting.

People in the video talk about those who are not diagnosed and go undetected but don't talk about those misdiagnosed or undetected and died so they will get their CFR numbers lower. There's a lot of unknowns. We can only calculate what is known. CFR, like mortality rate is based on time. It's a mistake to calculate those currently infected into CFR or mortality rates until their time is up.

Billy are you even reading the link you provide? Your claim is counter to what the very citation you’re providing as support is saying.


Not counter to what I said. There is a controversy but controversy isn't fact. It also said research shown vitamin C to reduce length of colds by 1 to 1.5 days. That research and the fact medical professionals are using Vitamin C on infected patients is good enough for me. Vitamin C is not an anti viral medicine. It promotes healthy stronger immune system which in turn will fight viruses.

I thought you refuted the genesis of the strains of coronavirus? Then you provide another link with a report linking the genesis to which you refuted.


The article didn't claim COVID-19 came from animals. The article said SARS and MERS came from animals. COVID-19 is not SARS or MERS although it is a coronavirus.

There's also a supplement called Energen. It's pretty good stuff and a caffine boast as well. There's 1000mg VC per packet.

When I bought vitamin C, I noticed a few items, one being Energen, was sold out.

Social media and 24 hours news channels have inflamed the hype.


If anybody out there is reading Social media, right wing news or anti left wing news for coronavirus education, stop. All news have been underestimating the danger of this virus. The info the governments put out on the coronavirus can't be translated into something that will cause panic. If they put out the truth, panic will happen.

People complain doctors are telling people go home without a test. Even the Italian nurse in the article I provided tells people to do their part to go home. That is the solution. Hospitals can't provide anybody with a cure, only relief and support. If restricting travel doesn't work, we will come to the point of shutting down work and our countries for 30+ days where everybody stays home. Those sick at home can burn out the virus or die but at least they won't infect others and overload hospitals.

There is an arthritis drug that Italians are seemingly having some success with recovery in bad cases.


There may be stuff out there that provide relief or support to the immune system but there is no anti viral medicine or cure available. A person's immune system is the only thing available to beat the virus.

There are numerous articles and videos out there that claim they found something that works or Lab directors claiming they are close to finding a vaccine. It's all BS. Do not believe anything you read or hear on that until you see an official statement from WHO they found something. Why do they lie? Maybe they want more government funding or they are told to lie to give people hope a cure is around the corner buying time so people don't panic.

Man has been trying to find antiviral medicines and vaccines for cold viruses for over a 100 years with no success. If they can't find a cure or treatment for a weak virus, do not have hope they will find one for a dangerous relative of a cold virus.

SARS came out in 2002. It is a coronavirus which is related to the cold virus. It's been 18 years and there is no vaccine or antiviral medicine on earth. Our best and brightest minds have failed to find anything so the only thing available is supportive care. Your immune system is the only defense against the virus.

http://middlesexhealth.org/learning-center/definitions/severe-acute-respiratory-syndrome

MERS came out in 2012. It is also a coronavirus. It's been 8 years and no antiviral medicine or vaccine has ever been made. Your immunity system is the only defense.

http://www.who.int/news-room/q-a-detail/middle-east-respiratory-syndrome-coronavirus-(mers-cov)

COVID-19 is worse than those two. Bill Gates, who has lots of experience fighting epidemics, said COVID-19 behaves like the once in a century virus we've always worried about.

Do not expect a cure or treatment to be ever invented. Test kits is part of the current solution but it may fail. We really don't need test kits at all. Governments need to tell everybody to quit work and stay home for 30 or more days to eradicate this virus from the human body. It's short term pain for long term gain. We will first try test kits to identify those who are infected and isolate them from the general population but if that doesn't work and this virus drags on for months and years, expect draconian style quarantines and laws. We aren't going to like it but we all have to do our part to get rid of this virus.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: Gator on March 13, 2020, 08:02:19 AM
There is an arthritis drug that Italians are seemingly having some success with recovery in bad cases. Was first used in China. Reports are that it is already being used here and stock for each province already ordered and is on the way.  Obviously not a cure or preventative measure, more like the last hope for getting some off respirators or keeping others from having to need one.


Would that be Kevzara

It is used for treatment of rheumatoid arthritis (RA), entirely different from osteoarthritis so common in aging people.   RA is a chronic inflammatory disorder,  involving the immune system mistakenly attacking joints and is some cases other body parts. 

The  life-threatening cases of COVID-19 infections involve an overreacting immune system attacking the lungs.  So both RA and COVID-19 infections are autoimmune disorders.  So maybe an RA therapeutic medicine is applicable to treating COVID infections. 


http://www.biospace.com/article/regeneron-and-sanofi-aim-a-rheumatoid-arthritis-drug-at-coronavirus/


The US FDA safety laws would prevent use of a pharmaceutical for purposes other than originally prescribed.    Limited experimentation is allowed under very tight, time-consuming controls.  China regulations are different. 
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: Gator on March 13, 2020, 08:07:11 AM
P. S.

This article explains how COVID-19 can cause the immune system to 'go haywire' and damage healthy lung tissue.

http://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-how-does-covid-19-attack-the-human-body-11947643
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: krimster2 on March 13, 2020, 08:07:22 AM
the Chinese data is from their hospitals
it's just a demographic of their patients...

of all the infected in the hospitals, less than 2% were under the age of 18...
I think it is a combination of it's harder for < 18 yr olds to get, and when they do get it, the symptoms are MUCH milder. so they just don't go to the hospital..
but after age 20, the numbers start rising FAST....

ergo..

you freaking hire some teens who are old enough to drive but are 18 or less
YOU do not want to handle money!
so give each teen shopper a debit card that they can use
and as long as the banks are still working
you can wire your teen shoppers their "service fee" at the end of the month
you should hire multiple, in case one gets sick...
but DO NOT ever come into physical contact with them or anyone else
and you sanitize the surface of everything that came from the store, preferably after waiting 24 hours before even touching it


note: pay at the end of the month, so they have an interest in "keeping you alive"
only keep just enough for the groceries on their debit cards so they don't develop "bad ideas" about using it...
they simply shop for your "must have snacks" and drop off a couple of boxes to you once a week....
but you never come into contact with them or anyone else

and as long as the banks, wire transfers and internet are still functioning...
I will be able to watch the world fall apart in both comfort and style

ok...
my prediction?
10 years from now, only 3 countries are left in the Northern Hemisphere!

Alaska, which became independent after the USA collapsed
The People's Republic of Nova Scotia
and Russia...
but Russia's new capital is St Petersburg

10 years from now...
when young people see me, they will be in AWE
because most of them will never have met a person over age 50!!!
I will be able to tell them whatever BS about the past they want to hear
and get free meals and entertainment wherever I go
because I lost all my money and spent all my gold and silver on foolish things
so now I just wander and tell stories for food...

I speak English, so I can live in Alaska
and I speak Russian, so I can also go live in Murmansk in Novo Russiya




Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 13, 2020, 08:21:21 AM
It's a dilemma for sure, without the government stepping in and as Billy says telling everyone to stop work and self quarentine at home for say a 30 period how to react as an individual in this pandemic?

Does one stop what one is doing, stop all plans, stop all work and self isolate for however long until this thing is over? - that could be many months :-\

OR

Does one carry on with work and plans regardless and don't concern oneself about the risk of getting the virus, just take the sanitary advice precautions, etc and if one gets it just accept it and matters take their course? - life is not put on hold and whatever happens, happens.

Many elderly with good pensions/good state pensions can isolate for long periods and are potentially more at risk. Entertainment is better these days with many more options available at home, though it depends on what you are into and personal resources.

For the rest of us, there is less of an easy default that the elderly have.

Does the worker or business owner stop their work or business activity and go off to individually hibinate for an uncertain period of time that could prove to be very economically damaging to them and hence detrimental to their immediate and possibly future quality of life?

Or,

Does the individual press on with work or business with the potentially much higher risk of contracting the virus, wait it out for government to step in, and just see if one can survive the virus if it comes about to oneself?

To me it's seems like choosing between two bad options.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: krimster2 on March 13, 2020, 08:28:41 AM
it'll be wuhan

if you ain't workin in a hospital, police or fire station, grocery or pharmacy, or morgue
stay home

this IS WHY the infection dropped there!!!
this IS THE ONLY WAY to stop the massive growth...
but...
once China lets everyone go back to work, because they're only having less than 10 cases per day thanks to total quarantine
the numbers will explode again...

so then what?
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: Gator on March 13, 2020, 08:45:08 AM
KRIMSTER WROTE "stay home."

We were discussing this over a week ago.  It will flatten and lengthen the graphical trajectory  of number of infections.

You are posting a lot of crap and redundant comments.    The redundancy suggests you are not trolling but suffering a serious case of anxiety. 

Assuming the latter, please read and reflect on this from BC's post at 8:55 am.

Quote
   I went to pick up a package at Mailboxes, on the way took a picture of the signs I saw kids putting up yesterday.

'Everything is gonna be fine'...  That's the spirit.
 


Please research the physiological fact that anxiety is not good for your immune system.  It stresses the body, releasing cortisol.  I assert 100% of us will eventually become exposed to this corona virus.   Our body's immunity (mucous membrane, etc.)  in most cases should stop the virus before reaching a critical target cell where it can grow.  You are weakening your immunity system. 

Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: GQBlues on March 13, 2020, 08:50:18 AM
Not counter to what I said. There is a controversy but controversy isn't fact.

Yes it did, Billy! LMAO. I even bolded the two sentences, yours and theirs, showing CONTRADICTING statement.

http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=24217.msg529131#msg529131

The article didn't claim COVID-19 came from animals. The article said SARS and MERS came from animals. COVID-19 is not SARS or MERS although it is a coronavirus.

In the article:

~ Such has been the nature of past zoonotic coronaviruses, ones that hopped from animals to humans like SARS and MERS. Unlike their common-cold-causing cousins, these emergent coronaviruses can spark a viral-induced fire throughout many of a person’s organs, and the new disease—dubbed "COVID-19" by the World Health Organization—is no exception when it is severe.

:ROFL:

BillyB, methinks Vitamin C overdose is starting to show, bro...
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: BC on March 13, 2020, 08:53:29 AM

Would that be Kevzara

.....


The US FDA safety laws would prevent use of a pharmaceutical for purposes other than originally prescribed.    Limited experimentation is allowed under very tight, time-consuming controls.  China regulations are different.

http://www.affaritaliani.it/puglia/tocilizumab--il-farmaco-della-roche-contro-il-coronavirus-in-puglia-gratis-658450.html
http://www.tisostengo.com/2020/03/10/coronavirus-da-napoli-speranze-da-farmaco-anti-artrite/

Google should translate these for you if you select the option.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tocilizumab

Quote
China’s National Health Commission included the use of tocilizumab in guidelines, to treat coronavirus (COVID-19) patients.[16]. On 11 March 2020 Italian physician Paolo Ascierto reported that tocilizumab appeared to be effective in two cases of COVID-19 in Italy.

Seems the doctors here can do what doctors should be doing, pulling all stops to save lives.


Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: BillyB on March 13, 2020, 08:56:53 AM
It's a dilemma for sure, without the government stepping in and as Billy says telling everyone to stop work and self quarentine at home for say a 30 period how to react as an individual in this pandemic?


To be clear, as individuals we can't stop the problem. Individual participation can only help reduce the spread. To get rid of the virus we ALL have to participate. ALL meaning everybody in the world. Italy in total quarantine is a solution only for themselves. What should be a permanent solution for them will only be a temporary solution without participation from ALL nations and ALL individuals in within their nation to stop the spread. All it takes is a few idiots that say "Can't stop living", goes to the bar and parties, sharing cups and needles, engaging in reckless behavior which can drag this thing on longer.


In the article:

~ Such has been the nature of past zoonotic coronaviruses, ones that hopped from animals to humans like SARS and MERS. Unlike their common-cold-causing cousins, these emergent coronaviruses can spark a viral-induced fire throughout many of a person’s organs, and the new disease—dubbed "COVID-19" by the World Health Organization—is no exception when it is severe.


The two past coronaviruses are SARS and MERS. COVID-19 is a present virus, not past and they have not claimed it came from an animal. No animal in the world infected with COVID-19 has ever found except in pets that were infected by their owners. The article didn't claim COVID-19 was from an animal. They can't without proof.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: krimster2 on March 13, 2020, 09:09:39 AM
yes, bubbas, just stick your heads in the sand...
and don't worry, EXACTLY as dear leader has instructed!!!

gator, when are ya gonna realize...
I'm NOT the one with the anxiety
YOU are...

cuz, i'm one of those "crazy MFers"
and death and chaos are MY bitches, bitches...



Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: GQBlues on March 13, 2020, 09:15:25 AM
...Please research the physiological fact that anxiety is not good for your immune system.  It stresses the body, releasing cortisol.  I assert 100% of us will eventually become exposed to this corona virus.   Our body's immunity (mucous membrane, etc.)  in most cases should stop the virus before reaching a critical target cell where it can grow.  You are weakening your immunity system.

Ain't that the truth! Things unknown triggers a whole lot of panicked reactions, confusion, anxieties and other stressful responses. You can even see these on this thread. People's minds starts connecting abstract, sometimes fictional, dots and start reacting to that.

It's no different than those toilet paper hoarders. One person starts it, then other people sees it, next thing you know - not even remotely understanding why - others begin frenzied buying. You can even see this on the stock market. Massive unwarranted sell-offs.

The ol' Doomsday, Repent Now Survivalist syndrome - kicking in.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: BC on March 13, 2020, 09:19:01 AM
To be clear, as individuals we can't stop the problem. Individual participation can only help reduce the spread. To get rid of the virus we ALL have to participate. ALL meaning everybody in the world. Italy in total quarantine is a solution only for themselves. What should be a permanent solution for them will only be a temporary solution without participation from ALL nations and ALL individuals in within their nation to stop the spread. All it takes is a few idiots that say "Can't stop living", goes to the bar and parties, sharing cups and needles, engaging in reckless behavior which can drag this thing on longer.

Billy,

The efforts in Italy or elsewhere for that matter will never 'get rid' of the virus.  The genie is out of the bottle and won't ever go back inside. Quarantine is geared only to buy time to help healthcare providers keep up with the demand, allow time for new therapies to be developed and hopefully an effective vaccine to be produced.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: krimster2 on March 13, 2020, 09:31:10 AM
exactly, it's all about "buying as much time as possible"...
but we totally failed...
and TIME IS NOW UP!

oopsie!

don't worry, be happy
new republican motto

probably a week from now, the Dow will be below where it was when dear leader took office....
it dropped 1,000 points after his speech

so "The Trump Economy" is a joke and totally fake to begin with...
and as Trump puts 1.5 Trillion into the stock market to prop up travel and hospitality fortune 500 co's
he defends cutting the CDC by 20% and shutting down one of the regional offices in the hardest hit covid areas
ANYTHING the USA had to slow this virus down, dear leader made sure it wasn't there...
EXACTLY as he was told to behave....



the reason WE have NO testing kits
and why other countries do...

is because given the choice to use the WHO covid test kits like Korea...
dear leader, decided INSTEAD that some private company in America should SOLELY develop America's ONLY test kit, so dear leader could take the credit for it...
we're STILL WORKING on getting even a TINY amount of working dear leader covid test kits
read what the mayor of San Francisco said about it TODAY on this subject....

dear republicans
take two tablespoons of Hillary's emails every day to help boost your immune systems to democrats
cuz ya'all know historically that whenever republicans screw up something, like Hoover and the great depression...
that a democrat ain't gonna be far behind to clean it up like Rosevelt...




Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: Gator on March 13, 2020, 09:37:27 AM
http://www.affaritaliani.it/puglia/tocilizumab--il-farmaco-della-roche-contro-il-coronavirus-in-puglia-gratis-658450.html

http://www.tisostengo.com/2020/03/10/coronavirus-da-napoli-speranze-da-farmaco-anti-artrite/


Thanks.  The first is the drug TZLS-501 made by Tiziana Life Sciences.  It is a novel, fully-human anti-interleukin-6 receptor (anti-IL6R) monoclonal antibody (MAb) for treatment of patients infected with coronavirus COVID-19.   

The second is Tocilizumab made by Roche, a RA drug but not the RA drug I cited.  I have heard Roche's drug  Tocilizumab holds promise.

The pharmacology differences among the three drugs is very complicated, and I certainly will not attempt to understand it, much less post something that likely is incorrect.  I relish the fact that we have three promising candidate therapeutic medicines.   
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: BC on March 13, 2020, 09:52:53 AM
Gator,

Yes, I too hope these drugs do help and any bureaucratic hurdles are quickly overcome on your side of the Atlantic.

Time is short.  Are efforts being made to ensure they are available to doctors there?
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: tfcrew on March 13, 2020, 10:02:44 AM

It's no different than those toilet paper hoarders. One person starts it, then other people sees it, next thing you know - not even remotely understanding why - others begin frenzied buying. You can even see this on the stock market. Massive unwarranted sell-offs.
Toilet paper stock should be going up.  (http://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/Smileys/DarkB/undecided.gif)
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: BC on March 13, 2020, 10:08:26 AM
If this was a UK seller i'd bet it was Trench.

Yes, it's a real auction on ebay.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: Gator on March 13, 2020, 10:10:58 AM
Are efforts being made to ensure they are available to doctors there?


In Florida, we are in the plan and preparation phase, and spreading the word to "Stay at Home."

Thus, we have too few serious cases where any sort of organized experimentation could be undertaken.  I have heard nothing, yet because of the community health exigency and  profit motive,  I presume experimentation in one form or another is part of the ongoing planning.   

To illustrate our present status, yesterday Florida had 15 new cases.  Ages of patients  range from 20 to 83, with a median of 57.  9 cases were "travel-related," 2 from Nile Rover Cruise, 4 from Europe travel, 1 from Port of Entry inspection, and 2 unspecified travel. 
 
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: Gator on March 13, 2020, 10:14:23 AM

gator, when are ya gonna realize...
I'm NOT the one with the anxiety
YOU are...


This makes no sense.  You are the one projecting doomsday, yet I am the one with anxiety?  Yes, I have concerns but do you see me make irrational, emotional posts? 

And now you are again making it political.   You would never listen to reason, so I will not attempt it. 

You have not added something credible to this discussion in recent days.  Until you do, I consider you crazed.  Meanwhile, the Russian gestapo is enforcing preventative measures at my home.   
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: tfcrew on March 13, 2020, 10:21:47 AM
If this was a UK seller i'd bet it was Trench.

Yes, it's a real auction on ebay.
Paper towels are an option. Baby wipes are much softer though.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: GQBlues on March 13, 2020, 10:44:44 AM
...The two past coronaviruses are SARS and MERS. COVID-19 is a present virus, not past and they have not claimed it came from an animal. No animal in the world infected with COVID-19 has ever found except in pets that were infected by their owners. The article didn't claim COVID-19 was from an animal. They can't without proof.

For the last time, then I will quit..

CORONAVIRUSES are common in different animals, but rarely in humans. The Inter-specie transmission mechanism, while different in specifics, is generally in the same mold. There are different strains of coronaviruses but all have the same *zoonotic* genesis.

COVID-19 is CoronaVirus Disease - 2019. These are called corona (crown) because of their crown-like spikes that attaches to it's host cell.

FWIW, (avian) Influenza also have the same zoonotic genesis as these more recent coronaviruses, SARS. MERS, etc...animal viruses being transferred to human.

COVID-19 was not invented in a Chinese bio-lab, BillyB. You need to give up on that spy conspiracy. Give these guys a break.

Edit: Here's a sypnosis of zoonotics for coronaviruses that was done March 2019:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/30832341

~ During the past two decades, three zoonotic coronaviruses have been identified as the cause of large-scale disease outbreaks⁻Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS), Middle East Respiratory Syndrome (MERS), and Swine Acute Diarrhea Syndrome (SADS). SARS and MERS emerged in 2003 and 2012, respectively, and caused a worldwide pandemic that claimed thousands of human lives, while SADS struck the swine industry in 2017. They have common characteristics, such as they are all highly pathogenic to humans or livestock, their agents originated from bats, and two of them originated in China. Thus, it is highly likely that future SARS- or MERS-like coronavirus outbreaks will originate from bats, and there is an increased probability that this will occur in China. Therefore, the investigation of bat coronaviruses becomes an urgent issue for the detection of early warning signs, which in turn minimizes the impact of such future outbreaks in China. The purpose of the review is to summarize the current knowledge on viral diversity, reservoir hosts, and the geographical distributions of bat coronaviruses in China, and eventually we aim to predict virus hotspots and their cross-species transmission potential. !
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: BC on March 13, 2020, 10:48:06 AM

In Florida, we are in the plan and preparation phase, and spreading the word to "Stay at Home."
 

Considering the retirement population and tourist attractions complacency could be very dangerous.

Experience shows it sneaks up on you.  Spain numbers doubled overnight to over 4k, Germany by a third reaching 3k Switzerland also doubled to more than 1k likely because of increased testing.  In our rather remote area in the south, 10 turned zoomed to over 100 in the arc of a few days - with preparations underway to handle thousands.

Do take care of yourselves and be proactive.  An ounce of prevention kinda thing won't hurt anyone.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: krimster2 on March 13, 2020, 10:54:26 AM
denial is the opiate of the Republican voting class...
you're all going to OD on it now...

what you're labeling as my "doom and gloom" mr smarty pants...
is called "doin the math"

ALL the infections are following a "curve"
we are less than two weeks behind Italy in THE curve...

so look at Italy TODAY...
this'll be us two weeks from now

hospitals will be performing triage on patients then
and all businesses in the USA will be getting ready to shut down
a month after that, the military will be out in force and we will have the first looting and rioting when everyone is home and havin some of that "anxiety" you were mentioning
so we're talkin
WEEKS....

then...

do ya wanna talk about...
the months?
and the years?






Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: BillyB on March 13, 2020, 10:55:26 AM
Seems the doctors here can do what doctors should be doing, pulling all stops to save lives.


Doctors all over the world should be allowed to experiment with drugs on COVID-19 patients without fear of losing their jobs and lawsuits. But if you're a betting man BC, bet 20 years from now you'll read on WHO, CDC websites, and history books that no vaccine or treatment has ever been found.

Italians may be bombarded with stories of cures and treatments to provide hope and lift their spirits which is a good thing. Reading those stories are a waste of time but do it if lifts your spirit. Until WHO makes an announcement something is found, consider nothing works.

 Some people seem to resist the truth. They will believe the virus isn't much more dangerous than the flu. Only old people can die from it. They will survive the virus and remain 100% healthy. They will have an immunity to the virus after they get it so they will never get it again. People should believe in whatever they want to give them peace of mind. I can handle the ugly truth and my mind is still at peace.

Billy,

The efforts in Italy or elsewhere for that matter will never 'get rid' of the virus.  The genie is out of the bottle and won't ever go back inside. Quarantine is geared only to buy time to help healthcare providers keep up with the demand, allow time for new therapies to be developed and hopefully an effective vaccine to be produced.

There is a real chance we can get rid of this virus. The world has successfully stopped other pandemics and epidemics. This one will be harder to stop but we have shown we can get it done. First we need to slow the spread and then make sure it's eliminate it from every human body so nobody is carrying it. Although a monumental task, it's not impossible.

CORONAVIRUSES are common in different animals, but rarely in humans.


Animals don't have a monopoly on coronavirus although they are more likely to be in them than humans. Labs can also genetically engineer viruses not seen in animals or humans. Biological weapons have been invented. Although we don't get to see every invention, there is a chance a worker can get infected and take it out of the lab. Until there is proof a colony of bats, snake farm, herd of animals or even a single animal has COVID-19, nobody can claim it came from an animal. If you want to believe China's story, it's up to you. After China announce the virus to the world Dec 31, 2019, WHO asked for permission to come to Wuhan to evaluate the outbreak, study the virus and investigate the source but China denied them entry.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: tfcrew on March 13, 2020, 11:02:05 AM
[krimster2]  (http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=24217.msg529162#msg529162)
This makes no sense.  You are the one projecting doomsday, yet I am the one with anxiety? 
Don't know how much doomsday... but yeah Krimster---the last 65 66 /100 posts are about virus. Take a break.
The other posts.. eh the nude beach.
 

FWIW, (avian) Influenza also have the same zoonotic genesis as these more recent coronaviruses, SARS. MERS, etc...animal viruses being transferred to human.
The Spanish flu of 1917 killed approx 50 million people. More than WWI did...Caused by pig infection.  The Hong Kong flu of 1968 almost killed me....caused by pig infection. 
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: krimster2 on March 13, 2020, 11:02:23 AM
"Doctors all over the world should be allowed to experiment with drugs on COVID-19 without fear"

I have already been doing this for quite some time already, 100% of this effort has been about the medical effect and not the recreational aspect!!!!
no....
some inhalation

but smoking opium...
is laying down
and having a sweet dream
of being made love to
by beautiful orchids
of the most brilliant color
and most sensuous curves
your brain
is capable of creating
bliss...

Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: krimster2 on March 13, 2020, 11:03:30 AM
the spanish flu was a pebble
this is not
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: BC on March 13, 2020, 11:06:29 AM
Some interesting animated graphics showing the speed of detected infections/spread outside China along with graphs over time below.

http://www.welt.de/vermischtes/article206504969/Coronavirus-Alle-Karten-Zahlen-Daten-zur-Ausbreitung.html
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: tfcrew on March 13, 2020, 11:11:48 AM
the spanish flu was a pebble
this is not
A pebble? 50 Million people?
Quote
Deaths worldwide..20[217] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Influenza#cite_note-:0-217)[218] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Influenza#cite_note-WHOpandemic2009-218)–100[219] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Influenza#cite_note-219)[220] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Influenza#cite_note-220) million
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Influenza#Pandemics
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: msmob on March 13, 2020, 11:15:12 AM
As there are so many posts - I don't know if this is 'news' - my apologies if not ..


http://112.international/ukraine-top-news/ukraine-closing-border-for-foreigners-for-two-weeks-49475.html

No weekend trips for Trench to Ukraine ..

Ukraine closing border for foreigners for two weeks
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: BillyB on March 13, 2020, 11:19:33 AM
The Spanish flu of 1917 killed approx 50 million people. More than WWI did...Caused by pig infection.  The Hong Kong flu of 1968 almost killed me....caused by pig infection.


If those viruses made their first appearance on Earth today instead of back then, I wouldn't worry about them. We've come a long way when it comes to making vaccines and anti viral medicine and flu viruses can be beat with vaccines and anti viral medicine unlike cold viruses. Spanish and Hong Kong flu would be defeated much quicker today than in the past and less lives would be loss.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: tfcrew on March 13, 2020, 11:38:46 AM
If those viruses made their first appearance on Earth today instead of back then, I wouldn't worry about them. We've come a long way when it comes to making vaccines and anti viral medicine and flu viruses can be beat with vaccines and anti viral medicine unlike cold viruses. Spanish and Hong Kong flu would be defeated much quicker today than in the past and less lives would be loss.
No...you would probably die. The vaccines came as a result of those historical cases. People have developed a partial immunity to previous disease.
Read the links available.
 
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: msmob on March 13, 2020, 11:40:45 AM
That's a pretty sobering assessment Billy.

Except it was somewhat 'naughty' in it's use of words to describe the situation ..

BillyB was confused as to the meaning of pandemic and as a consequence alluded to something WHO haven't said and would not have said .


That you would fall for a BillyB ASSessment is just what I'd expect ..

Unfortunately it probably ties in with the UK Government Cobra briefing today, at least in parts. There was still bs coming out so as not to panic the stupid in the population such as elating the overall infections to mortality then just stating that I may be higher in the elderly especially those with pre-existing conditions.

Honestly, Trench - could you please post use specific examples that lead you to your 'conclusions' ... We may  have been listening to / reading different announcements.


However they admitted that up to around 80 percent of the population may get Coronavirus. So that's pretty much everyone.

Well there's an exaggeration, already ..it was a worst case scenario.. and 'everyone' is not 80 percent ..

Boris gave a stark warning that we are likely to lose many loved ones. Despite trying to not show fear I think he looked to be trying to cover a lot of worry.


It's a pretty clear statement of fact and  BoJo is a consummate actor .. 

Although he didn't press the point to a specific extreme extent he said this Virus will be the biggest obstacle of our generation. My underlying impression taking into account what you have found out is that the scientists are telling him that initial signs are not good news. They could have well told him it's a pretty dire situation much as you have outlined.


Like your record for reading people ( opp sex in particular) is stellar .  You're 'theorising', AGAIN ..

Some virus epidemics only die out once they can't find any more humans. Basically because so many have been killed off. While these days we can develop vaccines if one can't be developed that is the situation we may be facing.

Hilarious .. Many viruses mutate into a weaker form .. I  was driving overnight and heard a Prof from the Mayo clinic (?) in the US pointing out that there would appear to be signs this virus is getting less virulent ..


The only other realistic hope might be that it doesn't easily reinfect people that have already had it, and/or it has a far milder affect.

No evidence has been found of 're-infection'


Potentially even other strains of it may not have as great an effect. Some reports suggest there may be people having mild cases of it first time around, perhaps moreso the young. If it is possible that this virus ends up as no worse than a mild cold in the long term then that would take away the problem over time.

'Some reports' ...  ?


It looks like this virus looks set to clear away the old to make way for the new.

TOSH..   The elderly simply have more health issues - making their resistance lower ..


If it really does go as bad you outline Billy then there is also the very probable and scary reality of society going into meltdown. The stockpiling going on won't last forever in which case we have to consider there will be little in the way of future supplies. We would need to adapt to find our own source of food if the convenience of it no longer being delivered to supermarket shelves becomes a reality.


Where are their food shortages ?  .. Other than morons who stock-piled pasta in some belief it all comes from Italy and might be in short supply

Here's a chance to make your own pasta ..

Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 13, 2020, 12:03:54 PM
To be clear, as individuals we can't stop the problem. Individual participation can only help reduce the spread. To get rid of the virus we ALL have to participate. ALL meaning everybody in the world. Italy in total quarantine is a solution only for themselves. What should be a permanent solution for them will only be a temporary solution without participation from ALL nations and ALL individuals in within their nation to stop the spread. All it takes is a few idiots that say "Can't stop living", goes to the bar and parties, sharing cups and needles, engaging in reckless behavior which can drag this thing on longer.

The two past coronaviruses are SARS and MERS. COVID-19 is a present virus, not past and they have not claimed it came from an animal. No animal in the world infected with COVID-19 has ever found except in pets that were infected by their owners. The article didn't claim COVID-19 was from an animal. They can't without proof.

I agree, though I think the only way all nations will get on board with a 30 day/1 month globally agreement lockdown at the same time is when all nations have the problem around the level the US & UK presently have the problem, i.e the delay phase. Till then there are countries with less of a current problem such as Russia, Ukraine & elsewhere who are likely not to want to play ball. That could very likely set the whole problem off again with re-introducing the virus back into virus cleansed nations. I'm thinking the government's of many nations would currently be agreeable to this method but need to wait until they can get all nations on board for sure. 

I think as you point out Billy, getting individuals on board within nations may prove even harder. Again having it as a problem to the extent that it is hitting them in daily life will likely persuade most. I reckon though the police & the army patrolling the streets will be needed to make sure people stay indoors and ontop of that temporary CCTV hooked up along main residential roads to help keep an eye on it also.

I do think that provided that is all done your solution is the best option for getting rid of the virus.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: krimster2 on March 13, 2020, 12:06:02 PM
before the Spanish Flu pebble
killed millions....
human immune systems had thousands of years of experience with other influenza strains...
not the covid boulder
it will ultimately kill FAR MORE because of this
AND its rapid recombination and mutation rate
no vaccine system
no treatment system
no immune system
no system of any kind

you are totally underestimating what is going to happen not only in the near term, like in the next month...
but in the long term, like the next two years....

you are living in a NEW HISTORICAL period!
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: krimster2 on March 13, 2020, 12:22:46 PM
Sasha,

as you can see from the response I’ve gotten from two Trump voters here on this board using my “krimster2” personna,

the Trump electorate is having a “very high level of anxiety” about the virus!
off the chart!

I think in about two more weeks you can start the coordinated social media campaign to “delay” the US presidential election in November because of the virus, I’ve already talked to Parscale about this...
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: mhr7 on March 13, 2020, 12:38:08 PM
After China announce the virus to the world Dec 31, 2019, WHO asked for permission to come to Wuhan to evaluate the outbreak, study the virus and investigate the source but China denied them entry.

What is your source on this?
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: krimster2 on March 13, 2020, 12:43:22 PM
rednecks...
please have a seat....
no really...

i'll give ya all a moment...
I know how slowly ya'll move...
there, all comfy?

ok...

3.5 million minimum....
by July...

not sure what'll happen starting November, will it get much worse or just stay the same? (not a metaphorical or rhetorical question)

might be time to pull the ostrich head out of the ground now and start lookin above ground instead

uh oh!!! it's a lot scarier above ground than below for a redusneckus or ostrich

now isn't it....

oops!
they just stuck their little heads back in the ground again!!


Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: tfcrew on March 13, 2020, 01:21:46 PM
"Doctors all over the world should be allowed to experiment with drugs on COVID-19 without fear"
 I have already been doing this for quite some time already, 100% of this effort has been about the medical effect and not the recreational aspect!..some inhalation but smoking opium..

Uh....I believe I understand the problem. Just stay away from the meth...that stuff'll kill ya.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: GQBlues on March 13, 2020, 02:06:37 PM
In case any of you wondered where jone and fathertime is right now...look no further!

LMAO (http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2020/03/12/watch-amid-coronavirus-fears-hundreds-line-up-outside-canyon-country-costco-to-stock-up-on-supplies/amp/)
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: jone on March 13, 2020, 02:21:00 PM
LOL -

I did stock up.   A gallon of milk.  Some eggs.   And a huge steak to enjoy the weekend with.  But I like Food For Less, not Costco.   Too many people there and the little savings for huge buys of product don't work well for a small home such as mine.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: krimster2 on March 13, 2020, 02:28:02 PM
"Just stay away from the meth.."

n^gger please,
that sh^t's for redneck trailer trash...

i could even bake ya up some from some lithium batteries and a kilo of the Chinese herb ma huang you can buy on ebay
while watching old "Leave It To Beaver" shows...

hey...hey...
remember this, "gee, Mrs Cleaver, I really like that dress you have on?"
If I were Eddy, I would've totally boned June Cleaver...
and it would've been the hottest sex a teenager like him coulda had
no judgements here...




Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: BillyB on March 13, 2020, 02:57:00 PM
What is your source on this?

Jan 28 article says China finally gives permission to WHO to allow their health experts into their country. Yay!!! WHO's team of doctors and scientists gets packed and ready to go!

http://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/28/health/airports-screening-coronavirus.html

Feb 7 article says China didn't accept WHO and CDC help for over a month.

http://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/07/health/cdc-coronavirus-china.html

After a major stall job and finally giving permission to WHO to enter China Jan 28, China finally gives them the final and absolutely final permission to enter China in Feb 10

http://www.travelandleisure.com/travel-news/coronavirus-world-health-organization-visits-china

Feb 11 Article below says WHO is getting mounting criticism for heaping praise on China and not declaring a global emergency but the WHO team finally lands in China and ready to kick some virus ass.

http://www.cnn.com/2020/02/10/asia/wuhan-coronavirus-update-intl-hnk/index.html

Feb 13, Some of the best international medical and epidemic experts in the world are stuck in Beijing for 4 days and has not been allowed to travel to Wuhan. Director General of WHO puts out a statement “Our advance team in China has made good progress in working out the composition of the team and the scope of its work. We hope to have more news to announce soon,” They are moving slower than molasses yet they say they are making good progress. Brought to you by another quality UN organization.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-health-who-mission/experts-fear-china-reluctant-to-accept-who-ground-mission-idUSKBN2071WZ

In a nutshell, a virus that can threaten humanity was disclosed to WHO Dec 31 by China after arresting and silencing whistleblowers all month. Then China refused help for over a month, got praised by WHO who recommended travel to China is safe and when China did allow some of the best experts in the business to help, they kept them in a hotel in Beijing, away from the action.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: krimster2 on March 13, 2020, 03:13:51 PM
ok, in the next 2 months...
ya'll are gonna see some sh^t!!!!

most of you will not be working at your place of employment for much longer beyond that time!!!
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: HoundDaddyLee on March 13, 2020, 03:18:31 PM
ok, in the next 2 months...
ya'll are gonna see some sh^t!!!!

most of you will not be working at your place of employment for much longer beyond that time!!!


I envision you looking like Gollum in the corner with your "precious" masturbatory fantasies of plague (or Russian invasion of Odessa or American Navy ships sunk by the Iranians). For a while I thought you were just jerking our chains. Now, I actually think you are one of those evil fu*ks who pray for death and destruction.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: krimster2 on March 13, 2020, 03:22:17 PM
bingo!!!
Sasha
3 MFing rednecks, I bagged here on RWD, he's my third!
you owe me 1,000 rubles!

gozpedy!
see how easy it was, I've never had hits like this before...
seriously, get behind Bradscale's effort to "simply delay, don't say cancel", the election for "public health" reasons!!
horrosho?
turn on the spigot on facebook and twitter to full!
NOW is the time, they are READY!
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: Chelseaboy on March 13, 2020, 05:55:20 PM
By the end of February 19 million people had been infected with the good ole common flu in the USA this flu season.

Out of those 180,000 had been hospitalized and over 10,000 had died.

As of today 48 people have died of Coronavirus in the USA ..spot the difference ?

These are facts not the fantasies spouted by the likes of Krimster and Billy..a pair of bedwetters  who have really bought into the media hype about Coronavirus...and sucked up by Trench (then he wonders why he can't get a bird )

What a trio...like three hyperventilating women.

"The flu remains a higher threat to US public health than the new Coronavirus "..this from the Centre for disease control and prevention.

The UK media are demanding Boris Johnson puts the UK into lockdown..so far he's managed to fight them off.

This is because the media want to be able to write their sob stories about small businesses going bust..they love doom and gloom.

Then the pro=democratic media in USA can blame Trump for the economy crashing there "it wasn't us guv " they'll say...they won't be held accountable.

The lefty media over here are anti Boris Johnson too..so they're trying to line up the same scenario here.

The media has an agenda ..only fools can't see that.





Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: calmissile on March 13, 2020, 06:02:25 PM
Agree.  Amazing how things look when put in perspective.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: tfcrew on March 13, 2020, 06:05:07 PM
Philadelphia Holds a Parade
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In the late summer of 1918, the devastating second wave (http://www.history.com/news/spanish-flu-second-wave-resurgence) of the Spanish flu (http://www.history.com/topics/world-war-i/1918-flu-pandemic) arrived on America’s shores. Carried by World War I (http://www.history.com/topics/world-war-i/world-war-i-history) doughboys (http://www.history.com/news/why-were-americans-who-served-in-world-war-i-called-doughboys) returning home from Europe, the newly virulent virus spread first from Boston (http://www.history.com/topics/us-states/boston-massachusetts) to New York (http://www.history.com/topics/us-states/new-york-city) and Philadelphia (http://www.history.com/topics/us-states/philadelphia-pennsylvania) before traveling West to infect panicked populations from St. Louis to San Francisco (http://www.history.com/topics/us-states/san-francisco).

By mid-September, the Spanish flu was spreading like wildfire through army and naval installations in Philadelphia, but Wilmer Krusen, Philadelphia’s public health director, assured the public that the stricken soldiers were only suffering from the old-fashioned seasonal flu and it would be contained before infecting the civilian population.
When the first few civilian cases were reported on September 21, local physicians worried that this could be the start of an epidemic, but Krusen and his medical board said Philadelphians could lower their risk of catching the flu by staying warm, keeping their feet dry and their “bowels open,” writes John M. Barry in The Great Influenza: The Story of the Deadliest Pandemic in History.
Just 72 hours after the parade, all 31 of Philadelphia’s hospitals were full and 2,600 people were dead by the end of the week.
George Dehner, author of Global Flu and You: A History of Influenza, says that while Krusen’s decision to hold the parade was absolutely a “bad idea,” Philadelphia’s infection rate was already accelerating by late September.
“The Liberty Loan parade probably threw gasoline on the fire,” says Dehner, “but it was already cooking along pretty well.”
Amazing full story...  http://www.history.com/news/spanish-flu-pandemic-response-cities
 
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: krimster2 on March 13, 2020, 07:03:26 PM
my family lived on Delancey St in Philadelphia back then...

my grandmother told me stories about it...
our family doctor was one of the first people that my family knew who died from the Spanish Flu

as the hospitals, and morgues overflowed, they started putting bodies in "ice houses" no one knows what those are today!
and when they were full...
they just started dumping the bodies in the city parks, usually wrapped in something...

such a park was located a few hundred yards from where my family lived...

amazingly no one in my immediate family died from the Spanish Flu

but 6 years earlier my grandmother lost her two oldest children to measles, their deaths were just two weeks apart
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: krimster2 on March 13, 2020, 07:11:52 PM
guys, I'm sorry to have to tell you all this BUT...

what is going to happen in the USA (and I assume the rest of the whole f&cking world, south of the 30th parallel)
is going to be much, much worse than what happend with the Spanish Flu, much, much worse

and that's ONLY over the next year...
I don't think ANYONE knows if this is a perennial that keeps coming back each year or not
like a rosebud

I hope it goes away, or there is some effective treatment discovered, or a vaccine, after the first year
but even IF one of these does happen...
this is STILL going to be MUCH WORSE than the Spanish Flu, and kill far more people just in the first year than the Spanish Flu....
we know more and more strains will be coming faster and faster as a greater number are infected

but the part NO ONES KNOWS...
is what happens in the next Flu Season and the one after that...
will this disappear?
or stay more or less the same
or get much worse like it did in China in December and January...

in 3 more months we will have more infections than China has today, don't you guys understand this yet?

the USA is going to be a collection of virus hot spots
which is basically ALL major population centers...
my wife and children are currently living inside one of the hot zones
and I expect that their area will be quarantined for them to either leave or me to enter
by the end of next month like Italy today

they will self quarintine
and so will I

I will disconnect myself from the outside world, not watch the news, etc
and only watch old "Leave It To Beaver and "Mr Ed" episodes...

then a year from now, I'm gonna take lots of drugs and go check and see what happened to the world
it's gonna be a trip to freakin remember, the highest I will ever be in my life when I go and look!!
even if nothing at all happens, or if the world comes to a freakin end, I'm still planning on having a good time
as usual...

laughing at you dumb phuques!!

hahaha

one day, I'm gonna stop posting, and when ya'll wonder if I died or not...
on RWD's "Survivor Forum" who's' alive and who's not....

I'm gonna go "na-na"
dumb phuques

or not...
and just let ya'll think I'm dead...

hahahaha







Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 13, 2020, 07:37:48 PM
As there are so many posts - I don't know if this is 'news' - my apologies if not ..


http://112.international/ukraine-top-news/ukraine-closing-border-for-foreigners-for-two-weeks-49475.html

No weekend trips for Trench to Ukraine ..

Ukraine closing border for foreigners for two weeks

 :(
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: calmissile on March 13, 2020, 07:42:58 PM
Beginning to think Krimster is psycho.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 13, 2020, 07:45:17 PM
Except it was somewhat 'naughty' in it's use of words to describe the situation ..

BillyB was confused as to the meaning of pandemic and as a consequence alluded to something WHO haven't said and would not have said .


That you would fall for a BillyB ASSessment is just what I'd expect ..

Honestly, Trench - could you please post use specific examples that lead you to your 'conclusions' ... We may  have been listening to / reading different announcements.

Well there's an exaggeration, already ..it was a worst case scenario.. and 'everyone' is not 80 percent ..


It's a pretty clear statement of fact and  BoJo is a consummate actor .. 


Like your record for reading people ( opp sex in particular) is stellar .  You're 'theorising', AGAIN ..

Hilarious .. Many viruses mutate into a weaker form .. I  was driving overnight and heard a Prof from the Mayo clinic (?) in the US pointing out that there would appear to be signs this virus is getting less virulent ..

No evidence has been found of 're-infection'


'Some reports' ...  ?

TOSH..   The elderly simply have more health issues - making their resistance lower ..



Where are their food shortages ?  .. Other than morons who stock-piled pasta in some belief it all comes from Italy and might be in short supply

Here's a chance to make your own pasta ..

Went to the same Asda superstore just outside Cardiff tonight like I did last week only tonight the shelves were even more empty than last week. No toilet roll whatsoever compared to a low stock on a couple of pallets a week ago. Hand wash was just being restocked with a few bottles though I have plenty of that now, a lot of the tinned food had gone and a lot of the meats had gone. Never really seen many of the isles looking do emptyish. So e Ilse's still had a fair stock of the other stuff but in general the place looked like it had just been ransacked, lol.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: BillyB on March 13, 2020, 07:45:55 PM
By the end of February 19 million people had been infected with the good ole common flu in the USA this flu season.

Out of those 180,000 had been hospitalized and over 10,000 had died.


Do you know how governments and private organizations react to those numbers? They don't. Do you know how governments and private organizations react to a pathogen that can destroy a good portion of the human race, severely decrease the lifespan of the surviving humans, change our behavior and way of living if we let it get out of control? Open your eyes to see how it's done. After reading all the real facts about the virus, you still don't understand it. I'm thankful you aren't in charge of anybody's life.


ok, in the next 2 months...
ya'll are gonna see some sh^t!!!!


Krim, Trump did a good job limiting the virus from infecting Americans by taking quicker and better actions than most nations. We will be better off than Europe.

How do we know that without test kits? Contrary to popular belief test kits isn't the only way to know how many people are infected. America is 5.5 times bigger than Italy. Italy right now has 17,660 infected and 1226 deaths after skyrocketing increases in numbers. If America was doing as bad as Italy, we would have 97,130 and 6,743 deaths in a matter of a week just like them.

How did Italy know to lockdown their nation before test kits started to reveal truth which provided us with their skyrocketing numbers? This is how smart people figure out the truth without a test kit. Doctors document cases of illness and death. Even if they didn't know the infections and deaths were COVID-19 related because no test kit was available, they would record the cause as influenza. We have an idea of what the flu rate is this time of year and if the numbers skyrocket, obviously a portion of that number is not the flu but COVID-19. when Italian officials figured what is normal for flu this time of year, they can deduct that from total of cases  and come up with a number that can be blamed on COVID-19. That number was alarming so Italy announced a nationwide lockdown over a virus that's out of control and much more deadlier than the flu before widespread use of test kits.

Look at Chelseaboy's numbers on American flu. Americans have 19 million people infected and 10,000 died average from the flu each year. Now imagine our COVID-19 problem was as bad as Italy's and we have 97,130 Americans infected and 6,743 people died for the week. We have a sample pool of people to gauge where this is going. We do not need to wait a year to see this is much more dangerous than the flu.

Also another way of telling something is not right is to look what is happening in hospitals. Italy's health care system is stressed out. America's is not and if we had an epidemic, our hospitals would be full even if people didn't know they had COVID-19. I live in the most COVID-19 infected and deadliest county in America and we are not even at the point of getting locked down because we are not as bad off as Italy. Hospitals in my area are not stressed out although they are busier than normal. My county has more COVID-19 recorded deaths than the rest of America combined yet we aren't locked down. That means to me most of America is better off than King County. People don't see the danger because the problem is in it's infancy and the current low amount of infections and deaths gives them the conclusion this virus isn't dangerous. Give every person on earth a taste of this virus and maybe they'll "get it" after seeing the numbers? We have a small sample pool to understand it will be catastrophic for humanity if every person on earth got this virus just once. With evolving strains of the virus to trick our immune systems, we will continue to get it over and over and over again.

Although Trump banned individuals who been in China starting January 31, On Feb 28 WHO still did not agree and made the statement "WHO continues to advise against the application of travel or trade restrictions to countries experiencing COVID-19 outbreaks." I'm sure Trump saved lives while WHO tried hard to help China's tourism industry and economy. There are claims China has the virus under control right now. Anybody believe it? Do you think vacationing in China is safe at this time?

http://www.who.int/news-room/articles-detail/updated-who-recommendations-for-international-traffic-in-relation-to-covid-19-outbreak
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: krimster2 on March 13, 2020, 07:56:58 PM
"We will be better off than Europe."

100% untrue...
just the opposite, because soon Italy's number of new infections will decline
while ours is going to continue to skyrocket...
instead of the USA being 12 days BEHIND Italy...
we are going to be AHEAD of them...

the longer we hold off self quarantining the larger the number of infected
and the larger the number of infected
the longer it'll last

Trump is your god damned Reverand Jim Jones dumb phuques
and America is gonna be just a giant-assed Jonestown
but the kool-aid is gonna drink you this time

don't you all freakin get it yet?

Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 13, 2020, 07:57:52 PM
Well, it looks like this Coronavirus pandemic thing may soon be over, it looks like British scientists have beaten the rest of the world too it and have created a vaccine: :clapping:

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1255083/uk-coronavirus-british-scientists-vaccine-coronavirus-cure-latest

Looks like things might soon be back to normal :D It will take a few weeks to get the human trials done but this can be speeded up by just accosting a few Oirishmen like Mobers and using them as unwilling guinea pigs.

Tell you what this will be one big slap in the bollocks to the EU withdrawing it's science organisation from the UK. Looks like we are getting on very well without them ;D
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: krimster2 on March 13, 2020, 08:03:26 PM
did you mean "close to creating a vaccine"
as in you're close to getting a Ukrainian girlfriend....

oh...
ya want some ointment for the burn I just gave you?

hey, can't you see "I'm working here" "on the job"
trying to bag my 4th redneck?

you're from the freakin Midlands, a "tradesman", you must dream of being a redneck in the USA...
you're not my quarry...
sorry
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: Gator on March 13, 2020, 08:05:29 PM

in 3 more months we will have more infections than China has today, don't you guys understand this yet?


You are correct.  Actually, I believe you are underestimating because the US will have even more infections than China reported because of greatly expanded testing. 

Reality check:  Tripling your high scenario estimate of COVID-19 infections is still less than one percent  of the H1N1 infections.

Here's the math if you don't believe me: 

     -  China's total cases today is about 81,000 (your estimate for the US three months from now). 

     -  My estimate is that we will be much higher unless our social distancing and other measure flatten the curve.   But let's go with 3x your estimate.   

      -  Thus,  81,000 x 3 = 243,000 infections by mid-June 2020. 


Compare 3X China (243,000 infections)   with H1N1 statistics for the US for the 12 months of 12 April 2008 - 10 April 2009:

        Total cases of infection:     61,000,000
        Total hospitalizations:            270,000
        Total Deaths:                          12,000


3x your estimate is still less than the number hospitalized.   And less than one percent of total cases.   

I don't recall people in 2009-2010 losing their minds.  Your scare tactics seem more like the Democrat's third attempt  to take out Trump after failing with the Mueller investigation and the impeachment.         

You are not psycho.  You are not suffering from anxiety.  You simply being absurdly political on the tails of a pandemic.    That's disingenuous.   Sinking to a new low level in front of our eyes.  You and your candidate Joe Biden in decline.   
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: krimster2 on March 13, 2020, 08:15:43 PM
"Krimster is psycho."

this is EXACTLY how Russians describe me...
except it's pronounced more "psyche" than "psycho"

and they point their fingers at their head when they utter these "slova"...

it's an image I cultivate
somewhat along the line, "better to be feared than loved"
tra-la-la

but...

how many rednecks did I bag tonight sasha, kakoy u menya schet? 
what's my score am I at 4 now?

gozpedy!!!

but hey, were any of you "butthurt" rednecks
sorry, when latina mothers were forcibly separated from their children and put in cages
and some of them got sick and died

were ya sorry then...
cuz only someone psycho would want to do something like that





Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: BillyB on March 13, 2020, 08:27:28 PM
I don't recall people in 2009-2010 losing their minds. 
 

They didn't lose their minds. I was on these forums back then and don't remember people talking about the swine flu pandemic. I searched and seems like a didn't make a single post about swine flu. But this new virus is much more dangerous than the swine flu and there is little hope that a vaccine or anti viral medicine will be found. In a matter of months, a swine flu vaccine was discovered.

If it was one nation acting strange closing it's borders with other nations, we can claim a person with anxiety is running that country but all nations are closing their borders with all nations with a few thousand infections. Think about that. All governments are acting the same. They agree on something about the virus.

Well, it looks like this Coronavirus pandemic thing may soon be over, it looks like British scientists have beaten the rest of the world too it and have created a vaccine: :clapping:

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1255083/uk-coronavirus-british-scientists-vaccine-coronavirus-cure-latest


After what I said earlier, you believe that? Do you know how many articles and interviews are out there that talk about how close a lab is to discovering a cure? These stories are in every country. If you like what that UK lab is doing, call up your government and tell them to give that lab more of your tax dollars to reward them. I don't blame those labs. If I were an owner of a lab, I'd reach out to the media that's hungry for stories and breaking news and tell them what a good job my lab is doing too.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: fathertime on March 13, 2020, 08:29:44 PM
In case any of you wondered where jone and fathertime is right now...look no further!

LMAO (http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2020/03/12/watch-amid-coronavirus-fears-hundreds-line-up-outside-canyon-country-costco-to-stock-up-on-supplies/amp/)
I missed the costco line today, but my daughter tells me the line at trader joe's was out the door too.    I just worked away like a little mole all day.   
Got notice that daughter's college classes are no longer going to be on campus for the rest of the semester now.  All the school districts in this area are closed too. 

It seems the nation is starting to get much more serious about this virus.   It doesn't appear to be a hoax, but it also seems there aren't too many bodies piling up just yet. 

Fathertime! 
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: krimster2 on March 13, 2020, 08:33:03 PM
“Thus,  81,000 x 3 = 243,000 infections by mid-June 2020.....

way, way, low..
sorry...
we’ll have that number a month before that...

and it’ll then double in the next 4 days after that
and then again
and then again
and then...

there will be mass burials and cremations going on long before then in the USA
and you’ll see what I’m saying is correct about a month from now
will not matter who the hell you vote for
cuz they won’t take office til January
Jonestown will have already happened
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: Gator on March 13, 2020, 08:38:11 PM
Considering the retirement population and tourist attractions complacency could be very dangerous.

Complacency is the wrong descriptor.  Tourist attractions are closing if not already closed.  The same with schools.  Senior centers are undertaking strong disinfection measures, and routines are changing.
 

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Experience shows it sneaks up on you. 

Agree, yet we have few cases today, and most are travel related.  Few have been hospitalized.  I expect a future wave soon from community spreading. 

The state and local health systems have had adequate time to prepare.  I play golf with the heads of two different ER departments.  They expect most cases to be sent home.  Testing was limited in the beginning, yet is undergoing dramatic and wholesale changes.     

 

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Do take care of yourselves and be proactive.  An ounce of prevention kinda thing won't hurt anyone.

In the not too distant future I expect to be looking in the rear-view mirror at this episode.  If so, a cause for celebration. 
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: krimster2 on March 13, 2020, 08:44:27 PM

objects in the mirror are closer than they appear
don't turn around...
on the dark highway you're gonna be racing on in a couple of months..
some things are just better NOT to be seen...

you guys really don't have any idea of the sh%t storm coming your way, now do ya?
virus is only gonna be PART of that...
it's the negative feedback loop this creates, that breaks the whole freakin world, permanently
with depression and war and disease and starvation

starting...well...
now, actually!!




Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: Gator on March 13, 2020, 08:45:03 PM
"Thus,  81,000 x 3 = 243,000 infections by mid-June 2020....." 

 ...way, way, low..

Then why did you write "in 3 more months we will have more infections than China has today, don't you guys understand this yet?"

I find you impossible.       
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: krimster2 on March 13, 2020, 08:52:21 PM
in 3 months, the number will be HIGHER than China's current number AND
higher than the number you propose...

how the f&ck did you guys EVER win WWII against freaking Nazis and Japs at the same freakin time
and now look at ya...

I don't understand...
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: tfcrew on March 13, 2020, 08:56:18 PM
did you mean "close to creating a vaccine"
as in you're close to getting a Ukrainian girlfriend....
                                                              (http://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/Smileys/DarkB/cheesy.gif)
 
 
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: Gator on March 13, 2020, 09:00:48 PM
in 3 months, the number will be HIGHER than China's current number AND
higher than the number you propose...

Next time, say what you mean the first time.  Even so, H1N1 will likely be more pervasive than COVID-19. 



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how the f&ck did you guys EVER win WWII against freaking Nazis and Japs at the same freakin time
and now look at ya...

I don't understand...


Few liberals then.  A nation of hard working, God fearing patriots. 
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: Gator on March 13, 2020, 09:02:14 PM
No one posted anything, yet I find the the expansion of laboratory testing featuring a partnership between the public and private sectors another example of Trump's ability to get things done. 
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: krimster2 on March 13, 2020, 09:07:00 PM
somehow Korea, a country with less than 10% our population and wealth
tests more people in one day, then we have in the last couple of months
trump's biggest accomplishment has been reading the teleprompter without making too many major mistakes
just a lot of little ones, which is pretty damned good for him

all the things he tried to hide
will be revealed on the other side

Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: msmob on March 13, 2020, 09:41:31 PM
Well, it looks like this Coronavirus pandemic thing may soon be over, it looks like British scientists have beaten the rest of the world too it and have created a vaccine: :clapping:

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1255083/uk-coronavirus-british-scientists-vaccine-coronavirus-cure-latest

Looks like things might soon be back to normal :D It will take a few weeks to get the human trials done but this can be speeded up by just accosting a few Oirishmen like Mobers and using them as unwilling guinea pigs.

Tell you what this will be one big slap in the bollocks to the EU withdrawing it's science organisation from the UK. Looks like we are getting on very well without them ;D

Taken from the Daily Express and mentions working in Paris ..  Trench, thinks Ebola can be undone with antibiotics ..
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: msmob on March 13, 2020, 11:18:20 PM
No one posted anything, yet I find the the expansion of laboratory testing featuring a partnership between the public and private sectors another example of Trump's ability to get things done.


Don't you mean his ability to screw things up ?

This is a President who announces stuff on Twitter and then spends his time explaining why he 'meant something else',  :rolleyes:

Outside the US we are in constant wonderment as to the magic dust he must be sprinkling overhead to allow such continuous gaffes to be over-looked ..  Some on here even think such negative observations are 'envy' (?!)

Lest you think my stance is a British / Oirish 'thang' .. this headline is from Switzerland


"Coronavirus: Trump fait volte-face et met l'Amérique en état d’urgence"


http://www.heidi.news/articles/coronavirus-trump-fait-volte-face-et-declare-l-etat-d-urgence  (http://www.heidi.news/articles/coronavirus-trump-fait-volte-face-et-declare-l-etat-d-urgence)


Over in the UK ... we have our v.own 'mini Trampu' - so don't take it personally !
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: Brillynt on March 13, 2020, 11:47:15 PM
Ukraine has announced that they are canceling all flights in and out of Ukraine starting on the 18th of March.  All Ukrainian citizens need to get back to the country by the 17th if they are flying.  Land crossings will still be allowed.  I have not seen how long this flight ban will last.

I was able to book a flight out for the 16th for a reasonable amount. Yesterday I was looking at UIA flights and they were $640 KBP to JFK, today they are starting at $900.

It should be interesting to see if I am able to get back to the USA successfully.

On a side note.

I have been trying for 3 days to contact Lufthansa to see what was happening with their flights. My original flights on the 28th were booked through them.
I call the phone number and only get
  A) no answer.
  B) Answers and recorded message saying due to extreme call volume please call back later, then the call is dropped.
  C) Answers and on hold for exactly 34 minutes and then the call is dropped.

Needless to say I am not impressed with Lufthansa's customer service.

I had called United since I am a premier member with them and they answered and I had a agent in 15 minutes, unfortunately they were not able to help since the ticket was not originally booked through them even though some of my flights are United flights.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: IvanM07 on March 14, 2020, 03:38:40 AM

Don't you mean his ability to screw things up ?

This is a President who announces stuff on Twitter and then spends his time explaining why he 'meant something else',  :rolleyes:

Outside the US we are in constant wonderment as to the magic dust he must be sprinkling overhead to allow such continuous gaffes to be over-looked ..  Some on here even think such negative observations are 'envy' (?!)

Lest you think my stance is a British / Oirish 'thang' .. this headline is from Switzerland


"Coronavirus: Trump fait volte-face et met l'Amérique en état d’urgence"


http://www.heidi.news/articles/coronavirus-trump-fait-volte-face-et-declare-l-etat-d-urgence  (http://www.heidi.news/articles/coronavirus-trump-fait-volte-face-et-declare-l-etat-d-urgence)


Over in the UK ... we have our v.own 'mini Trampu' - so don't take it personally !

Adorbs. Look at the haters try. Damned if you do damned if you dont.

A month ago trump was hated for being the racist that cut off China flights now he's a dick that waited a week to call a national emergency. Honestly with these people you can't win.

They're adorable raging in the wind though, I'll give 'em that.

Best to ignore or troll and piss on them. Honestly the latter is far more fun. Seeing a troll whine is incredibly fun.

Boomers like him don't know how to react to that ;)

Anyways to the real info. It will get bad. If Germany is right, 50% will be infected. I think it will be fine in the end, not the apocalypse but still bad.

I'm already taking a mini vacation working remote.

Our grandma is 92, we took her out of the Nursing Home a week ago. Didnt trust it. One in ETX biw has the 'flu'.

Back in our guest house for now.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: BC on March 14, 2020, 04:52:16 AM
No one posted anything, yet I find the the expansion of laboratory testing featuring a partnership between the public and private sectors another example of Trump's ability to get things done.

Gator,

The first case in the US was detected on 19 January.  In Italy the first case 31 January.

Anyone in Italy, or outside can click on one link and see the actual status for each region (state)

http://opendatadpc.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/b0c68bce2cce478eaac82fe38d4138b1

Easy as pie.

For Lombardia, the hardest hit region as of 5pm yesterday:

32700 total tests
9820 total covid cases detected
7732 active cases at the moment
836 new cases yesterday
5085 total hospitalizations
4435 currently in hospital with symptoms
1198 discharged as recovered
650 currently in intensive care
2647 in-home quarantine
sadly, 890 have passed

The same information resolution is not available to the President of the United States. Not even close.  In consideration of the lack of test availability, he is working in the dark.  On 2 March CDC dropped the number of tests performed from their website, seemingly not to startle folks at how little testing was being done.

This does explain Trump's reaction or better said lack thereof in a timely fashion, even to the extent of puh puh and rah rah for his fans.  The only thing that seems to have caught his attention the last days is the Dow.

Trump and the administration messaging to citizens and residents continues to be disjointed, incoherent and confusing, often needing to be corrected. Even his prepared speech yesterday.

Good decisions cannot be made when no coherent data is available.  A good decisionmaker should be able to listen to the advice of his advisors and act accordingly.  He shouldn't have advisors that only feed him only information he wants to hear.  Trump does not or will not listen, a well-known failing of his.  The longer numbers are not known and artificially remaining low, the better and more he rejoyces and touts how we are doing so much better than others when in reality we are far behind others, even insinuating it's all a political hoax, or passing blame with debunked information.  He is more worried about keeping the numbers low rather than tackling the problem head-on.  Diamond Princess is a good example of that:

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“Do I want to bring all those people off? People would like me to do it,” Trump admitted at a press conference at the CDC later on Friday. “I would rather have them stay on, personally.”

“I don't need to have the numbers double because of one ship that wasn't our fault,”

When this all calms down a bit a postmortem will surely be performed and we will be able to see how lacking our capabilities are to react in a timely manner to such a crisis.  The experts have already admitted before Congress that we have failed in many areas, beginning with the essential task of providing testing capabilities.

The relative calm I see here in Italy is due to concise messaging, accurate information and concrete actions that are very visible to the population.

I don't only criticize our inaction.  I find the situation in Germany is also lacking.  H in Italy, the government guaranteed the population that stores will continue to be stocked and for the most part, with few exceptions they are.  My kids and grandkids are in Germany and reported yesterday that stores being emptied after a government report told folks to stock up for 10 days creating a run. Much like the US they have limited testing to those with symptoms who have had contact with someone that has been confirmed positive, or have symptoms and travelled/had contact with someone in a high-risk area like China, Iran, S.Korea and Italy, thus far showing abnormally low numbers that would be expected if anyone with symptoms would be tested.

Fortunately, like here, they have a decent universal healthcare system, sick leave, employment protection etc that helps keep a lid on folks having to worry too awful much or panicking when they open their mail after a doctor or ER visit, or get sick and have to pull out their healthcare insurance paperwork and microscope to try and decide whether or not a visit to the doc will be covered or not, budget-busting hospital bills, copays, deductibles, their jobs, having to stay home to take care of their kids while school is out etc etc etc...  - all items which we Americans are just now trying to figure out how along with how much more we'll be asking our future generations to pay for it all.  Let's see how that works out and whether or not folks that need help most will be helped before corporations and big biz that have been raking in profits and not paying taxes.

Ok rant over now :)

 :popcorn:
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: fathertime on March 14, 2020, 05:34:12 AM


  The longer numbers are not known and artificially remaining low, the better and more he rejoyces and touts how we are doing so much better than others when in reality we are far behind others, even insinuating it's all a political hoax, or passing blame with debunked information.  He is more worried about keeping the numbers low rather than tackling the problem head-on.  Diamond Princess is a good example of that:
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The numbers in the US were being posted in the media and easily seen before.  Now that the number of cases has run into the thousands or more they are no longer being reported front and center.   I believe our government is demanding the major media suppress or downplay the numbers based on 'national emergency' as to not cause a panic any greater than is already occurring.

Fathertime! 
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: GQBlues on March 14, 2020, 05:57:40 AM
Damned! 250 dead in one day in Italy. I bet these poor souls died a long slow death gasping for air as Italy doesn’t have adequate equipment to save their people. These are literally the sacrificial lambs as these are likely recipients of decision made to just deprive them of care and effort to revive. These are the very people that likely had the most faith in their medical care system and likely the ones that were made to pay into it their entire life just to get this reality when they need it the most.  Sadly ironic.

 He’ll, they’re reporting they’re also out of protective gear for their caretakers. One doctor already died because he kept treating people without one. This is the beacon of social care?
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 14, 2020, 05:59:31 AM
In Spain the number of cases rocketed by 1500 today it has suddenly become so bad there that flights from the UK turned around in mid air, lol:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51887707

Spain has warm weather at the moment, something around 20 degrees Celsius. I can't see this thing peatering out as the spring/summer come somehow, if anything it may make it even worse! The warm temperatures making the germs easier to transmit. Whether that has any upshot in meaning it doesn't act like a cold so not seasonal but instead a one of virus I don't know.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: BC on March 14, 2020, 06:02:54 AM
This is the beacon of social care?

No, it's a system that is seeing the likes of which you may not be spared.

Let's chat in a month or so about it.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: BC on March 14, 2020, 06:13:43 AM
Aside from medical equpment factories running 24/7 building respirators and other necessities being picked up by ambulances the moment they are boxed, the Chinese Red Cross sent a shipment of respirators, masks and experts to help out in the hardest-hit area.

http://youtu.be/TQ8KCZGtwN4

Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: GQBlues on March 14, 2020, 06:14:31 AM
No, it's a system that is seeing the likes of which you may not be spared.

Let's chat in a month or so about it.


BC it won’t prove anything because according to the likes of you, our system is so much more inferior. As of today,  the first US infected person was diagnosed iIRC two weeks before Italy, YET more Italians had been dying since. Literally 300 fold.

Explain that.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 14, 2020, 06:16:46 AM
Damned! 250 dead in one day in Italy. I bet these poor souls died a king slow death gasping for air as Italy doesn’t have adequate equipment to save their people. He’ll, they’re reporting they’re also out of protective gear for their caretakers. One doctor already died because he kept treating people without one. This is the beacon of social care?

I read that too GQ, 250 dead in one day!!! That's scary and it could unfortunately get way worse, we may be talking about thousands dead in each country each day as this thing rolls on. Like I said in previous post it looks like the figure of number of infected to deaths is a rolling/trailing figure. People can lay in hospital beds for weeks to a month or more before either recovering or dying. So the few cases we get at the beginning of just those that are elderly with underlying health problems don't really give an accurate picture of the deadliness of this disease. The elderly with underlying health problems will of course be the first to die that stands to reason. What Italy seem more cagey about though are the figures for those that are not in the elderly and/or existing health problems category. I have the same feeling that I had over the 1 percent mortality rate (that turned out to be bs) that there is something being left unsaid. Billy showed us that was indeed the case. Here I fear that they are keeping from us that younger people without underlying health problems are also dying too. They just don't want to panic the young and cause mass anxiety & hysteria as that is not helpful. I reckon for some people it just comes down to chance on whether their immune system can cope with it or not.

The UK is looking at focusing hospital resources (ventilators) & efforts more on those that have a better prognosis of survival. They are looking at not bothering with the elderly with pre-existing conditions as cases rise and hospital resources are spread thin as they pretty much always die so no point wasting the resources trying to avert the inevitable and prolong their pain. Better to use those resources on those that might have a chance of survival.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: GQBlues on March 14, 2020, 06:23:20 AM
Life in Utaly is not as rosy as BC would like us all to believe. He should speak to this poor guy what he thinks.

http://youtu.be/KEQ3Bvuvef4

BC is just maybe too busy googling trump hate materials instead of paying better attention in his ‘home’ country
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: BC on March 14, 2020, 06:34:59 AM
Explain that.

Italy knows how many die of coronavirus.

We don't.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: BC on March 14, 2020, 06:42:55 AM
BC is just maybe too busy googling trump hate materials instead of paying better attention in his ‘home’ country

I'm not ignorant.  Three kids in Germany, two here in Italy - one who is in one of the most affected areas and parents in the US.  Guess who I am more worried about due to lack of information and testing?
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 14, 2020, 06:43:08 AM
Cases are starting to climb more significantly in the UK, up to 820 now. 22 cases reported in Wales in one day and it looks like cases nationally have just about started hitting 200 or so a day. That is still low numbers compared to other parts of the world and low numbers compared to the nearly 68 Million people in the UK at present. So we are in the position of looking from behind to those in a worse situation in Europe to see what is likely to happen to us in the next few weeks. It is not a pretty sight.

It looks very much like risk of contagion is very high and most people will get it. It looks like this will run through into Spring & Summer with a worsening situation all the time. It looks that unless we take the action BillyB suggests or some drug to alleviate the symptoms comes up quick we could likely be looking at hundreds of thousands maybe millions dead by the end of the year and this thing then peatering out having run its course.

At the moment countries are trying to buy time and that is not a bad idea and is working in part. Even still though this is a rapidly expanding virus so they only have so much time.

Worse still is the situation of how long economies in each country may hold up for under the strain of it all. If an economy in a country fails then potentially society in that country could start falling apart pretty rapidly. Worse than that though is likely to be the individual suffering  that may come about. People need jobs to bring the money in to buy food. People need to go to work so most apart from the elderly on pensions won't be able to hide it out forever. Workers will continue to be needed in the factories, farms & supermarkets. Rapid inflation might occur also particularly in food prices and that may be a problem also.

In the UK I am trying to get as much stuff sorted out as I can in the next two weeks to prepare as after that I can see it increasingly becoming a problem doing stuff/getting stuff done as people just won't be around to do it and/or won't be able to get the stuff. I reckon when numbers really jump here and lockdowns start to occur that many people will just call in sick/won't go into work. That is when things may go south in a big way and those that have not prepared will be caught out.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: GQBlues on March 14, 2020, 07:02:22 AM
I'm not ignorant.  Three kids in Germany, two here in Italy - one who is in one of the most affected areas and parents in the US.  Guess who I am more worried about due to lack of information and testing?

It’ll be fine BC. We have Trump. We’d be in trouble had this all happened under Hillary, let alone Obama.

They’re mobilizing private industries in every facet of the medical industry. Unlike Italy, the US have 50 state governments that can also tend to its population. Roche molecular is already distributing their test kits. Our engine of resiliency had already been churning.

This is exactly what I’ve been drilling with you guys. You’re all so caught up in dividing people and country so much that you fail to see there are times that crap need to take a break. But no... some of you just couldn’t.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: GQBlues on March 14, 2020, 07:39:41 AM
They criticize Trump for his directive to protect Americans only to follow his lead a day or two later.

http://www.nst.com.my/world/world/2020/03/574626/world-closes-borders-restricts-travel-contain-covid-19-spread?utm_source=nst&utm_campaign=recsys&utm_medium=recsys
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: BC on March 14, 2020, 07:56:55 AM
GQ,

And Italy has 20 regions and 110 provinces that play the same role as states and counties in the US.

What's your point?

Bottom line is that Italy has been doing what we in the US have just started.  Think Roche is unknown here?  Heck, they're right across the border of the hardest-hit area.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: GQBlues on March 14, 2020, 08:03:55 AM
Italy knows how many die of coronavirus.

We don't.

Not sure who you mean by ‘we’, but if the US I’ll tell you. Since the federal government authorized all states to initiate their own testing and procedures, CDC had ceased logging counts on their own and had since been a resource of tabulating reports from each state. They still maintained making the report’s availability to the public. Except they stopped doing 24/7 reporting as each state is now responsible to do this.

http://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-in-us.html

Of all the states reporting, I think Florida has the most impressive.

http://www.floridahealth.gov/newsroom/2020/03/031420-0205-covid19.pr.html

BC, you need to take off that silly Democrat blunders off and try to stop watching/reading CNN. There’s got to be something else to do in Italy.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: GQBlues on March 14, 2020, 08:08:06 AM
GQ,

And Italy has 20 regions and 110 provinces that play the same role as states and counties in the US.

What's your point?

Bottom line is that Italy has been doing what we in the US have just started.  Think Roche is unknown here?  Heck, they're right across the border of the hardest-hit area.

Again, tell me why the fatality rate is so much more tragic in Italy considering the first known infected was two weeks later than the US? Unless you’re trying to tell us the US government is suppressing these numbers.

Americans are bred to be independent and resilient. We are not bred to depend on the goverment for everything. There’s recent tide rising to become what they are in Europe, but I’m happy that keeps failing. We will never be a country that feels the ‘Bern’. One can see the obvious difference is starkedky clear today.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: BillyB on March 14, 2020, 08:27:27 AM
  In Italy the first case 31 January.


Although you criticize Trump's response to the epidemic, do you know why Italy banned flights from China the same day ONE case was reported and no COVID-19 test kits were in widespread use? Italy knew how many were infected and how many were dying based on doctors reports of the amount of influenza, pneumonia, and deaths being reports over the amount that is normal for that time of year. We do the same thing in America. Anything over the normal amount will be considered COVID-19. The amount Italy had was alarming so they cancelled flights from China before a good portion of the population was tested with test kits.  Italy could not effectively stop the spread so Italy reached the point of locking down the whole country before the test kits revealed the skyrocketing number of infections you see today. Test kits are important to find individuals who are infected and quarantine them but we can still figure out what is happening by skyrocketing reports of influenza.



I don't recall people in 2009-2010 losing their minds.

 

I was reading tfcrew's link to flu epidemics. There is a very good chart in the middle that is educational.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Influenza#Pandemics

The 2009-2010 swine flu was a Level 1 Pandemic. It had a case fatality rate of .03% which is three times less deadlier than the flu. The reason so many people died from swine flu is because and estimated 11-21% of the people on earth got it. Merkel figures at least half the Germans can get COVID-19 if it isn't stopped soon and that's just in her country.

tfcrew's Hong Kong flu he got, although didn't kill him was probably a more painful experience than any flu he got. That was a level 2 Pandemic. An estimated 7–28% of people on earth got it and 1-4 million people died. It had a case fatality rate of .2% making it twice as deadly as the flu

The Spanish flu was a Level 5 pandemic. 33% on earth got infected and an estimated 20-100 million people died. It had a case fatality rate of 2-3% so it was 20 to 30 times more deadlier than the flu.

NOW COVID-19 last week had a predicted 3.4% death rate making it 34 times more deadlier than the flu. Using this morning's number we have 5617 deaths and 150,052 infected. I'm going to use the same flawed method as the media and assume this battle is over and everybody infected has survived so with 5617 divided by 150,052 translates to 3.74% which means the death rate continues to increase over last weeks numbers. China's numbers were watered down to begin with so we will continue to see death rate increase. The truth death rate may be higher.

So at this time COVID-19 is calculated to be more deadlier than the Spanish Flu. Factor in the fact there many never be a cure or treatment for COVID-19.  Finding vaccines and antiviral medicine for flu viruses is easy. COVID-19 can become worse than the Level 5 Pandemic Spanish Flu. It took a couple of years to get rid of the Spanish Flu. It may take longer to get rid of COVID-19 and we will have to endure periodic hardships. We cannot let COVID-19 remain in our lives like the common cold which we get multiple times each year for life. Although young people rarely die from COVID-19, if they have to endure 2-3 battles a year with COVID-19 for 40 years for a total of 80-120 battles, will they even make it to be 40 years old?

I hope people can finally understand why governments and private organizations are doing what they are doing although this virus hasn't affected many people yet. Obviously there are people on this forum that do not know the seriousness of this virus. They may continue reckless behavior that increases their chance of infection and prolonging the fight against the virus for the rest of us. There may come a point some or most of us are out of a job. Governments will first tell their employees to stay home. Private business will start telling employees to stay home. Then governments will tell everybody except those working the military, emergency services, food and pharmacy industry to stay home. If necessary to save the human race, the next step will be worse than what Italy is going through. Let's hope Italy's quarantine is effective and won't need to subject the population to additional hardships. The world is watching.


Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: krimster2 on March 14, 2020, 08:29:05 AM
dear fellow rocket scientists of the world!

in regards to which nation shall lead the covid league of nations THIS season...
will it be Italia or America with the coveted “most infected” season statistic?

my soon to be worthless dollars will be on America!!!
Trump will GUARANTEE it!

the less quarantine you do
and the longer you wait to do it “for business reasons”
then the more deaths you have and the longer the pandemic lasts in your territory
Trump IS always making “America Great” with everything he touches
so instead of trailing Italia
we will overtake it SOON!

cutting the CDC budget by 20% and shutting down the global pandemic division and screwing up the testing kits, and not having a full travel quarantine in December was pure genius, no way we are gonna let some little dinky country like Italy be ahead of us, we will EASILY beat them next month on all the statistics...

HA!

WINNING!!!
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: BC on March 14, 2020, 08:39:11 AM
GQ,

The average age of those that have passed from the Coronavirus in Italy is 81-82 . Over 20% of the population here is over 65 with the more densely populated area being the affected area in the north.

As stated before, without testing like is being done elsewhere we (in the US) can't know the numbers of those that did pass because of Covid instead of influenza or other respiratory illnesses.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: BC on March 14, 2020, 08:53:00 AM
Billy,

there is no way to accurately estimate what numbers are for a flu season.

CDC can only guesstimate somewhere between 22,000-55,000 deaths in the US this flu season.  It's no different here.  What was noted is patients where lab tests for influenza and other respiratory diseases was done and results came back negative for them indicating something very amiss.

http://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/preliminary-in-season-estimates.htm

The Guv of NY was just on TV explaining that numbers there are only what they are because they were the folks that got tested.  It's the criteria used to see who needs a test or not.

If you only test someone that has travelled from an affected area and has symptoms, or others that have been in contact with a confirmed infected person you will miss those that only have symptoms but may be Covid infected.

Goes sorta like this:

"How many cases do you have?"
"Uh.... 55.."

"How many tests did you do?"
"Uh.... 55.."
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: GQBlues on March 14, 2020, 09:04:59 AM
GQ,

The average age of those that have passed from the Coronavirus in Italy is 81-82 . Over 20% of the population here is over 65 with the more densely populated area being the affected area in the north.

These numbers are all in direct parallel the world over, BC. The ages of the deceased are roughly the same anywhere. Besides, Americans 65 and older is almost as many as the entire population of Italy.

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As stated before, without testing like is being done elsewhere we (in the US) can't know the numbers of those that did pass because of Covid instead of influenza or other respiratory illnesses.

I don't buy that. They may be lacking in COVID-19 testing before, but certainly isn't lost in determining if the person died of influenza - post-mortem - instead of COVID-19. Hell they'll probably jump at the chance to declare this if so..

Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: BillyB on March 14, 2020, 09:12:23 AM
there is no way to accurately estimate what numbers are for a flu season.


A ballpark figure is good enough. We don't have to have accurate numbers on who has COVID-19. We know WHO reported a new virus showed up warning all nations. We know it's extremely dangerous, We know Italy's average flu infections for January over the years. We know Italian doctors reported a huge and almost instantaneous spike in influenza, pneumonia and deaths related in January. Even without the ability to mass test for COVID-19, your government or any government can figure out many reported cases shouldn't be blamed on the flu virus but the new guy in town. So even before your nation and any nation reach thousands of infections, they put up flight bans and closed borders. Test kits were not needed for them to make those decisions. There's a strong desire for some to criticize Trump but he took some of the earliest and strictest actions that are still in effect today compared to other Western nations. The most important job a test kit has is to identify the infected and get them isolated away from those who are not infected. If this virus was the swine flu and less deadlier than the flu, we could just remain calm and carry on.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: krimster2 on March 14, 2020, 09:26:08 AM
OMG!!  America is gonna take the Covid pennant from China
we are gonna win the division title this season!!!!

TRUMP!!!  TRUMP!!!
USA!!! USA!!!
WINNING!!! MAGA
get yer little red hats!!!!
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: GQBlues on March 14, 2020, 09:26:47 AM
I missed the costco line today, but my daughter tells me the line at trader joe's was out the door too.    I just worked away like a little mole all day.   
Got notice that daughter's college classes are no longer going to be on campus for the rest of the semester now.  All the school districts in this area are closed too. 

It seems the nation is starting to get much more serious about this virus.   It doesn't appear to be a hoax, but it also seems there aren't too many bodies piling up just yet. 

Fathertime!

LAUSD decided to close all its schools. This move, logical as it may be under the current climate, also causes an unintended consequence. Pray many of the parents of these kids are not in the medical profession. Parents, or single parent, of the younger aged children will be burdened now for having to stay at home from work to fend for their kid/s.

You'll soon see your neighborhood supermarts (Target, Walmart, Malls, etc..) housing tents and makeshift drive throughs with alien-looking hazmat-suited beings abducting Americans into their keep.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: krimster2 on March 14, 2020, 09:33:16 AM
gangs of orphaned children, dirty and unkept are roaming through the neighborhood...
and digging up gardens and filling their canteens from my pool
a 12 ga with #4 shot sent them all scattering...
I guess that's why they call it a "scatter gun"
but damn those kids can run, like a buncha Kenyans hyped up on cheap crack...

but next time...
it's double ought buck...

I guess I should get my friend's backhoe and start digging some holes out back...

3 months from now, no one's gonna pay attention to a couple of missing teens...
3 months from now, no autopsies are gonna be performed - and Ethylene glycol tastes very sweet

well, while the rest of the passengers, are listening to the "Don't Panic" Speech on the intercom
I'm just about ready to lower the life boat and paddle away into the night
and just follow the "Drinking Gourd" way up in the sky
it will be "A Night To Remember"

Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: BC on March 14, 2020, 09:44:59 AM
We know Italy's average flu infections for January over the years. We know Italian doctors reported a huge and almost instantaneous spike in influenza, pneumonia and deaths related in January.

3.5-6 million flu infections is the typical range here in the season. Hundreds die from the infection and 5-7000 from complications. 2019 was especially up there around 8 million infections. So who is to know if 2020 is high, low or whatever for 'normal' influenza?  We will know somewhere around April-June when the reports ar published.

As other countries, testing started for those from Covid areas or those in contact with confirmed cases.  Testing was then extended to those with only symptoms resulting in the numbers we see today - which is just starting now in the US weeks later.

You seem to be grasping, but ok go for it.

Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: krimster2 on March 14, 2020, 09:58:40 AM
"We know WHO reported a new virus showed up warning all nations. "

so are you saying, "WHO was on first"?
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: BillyB on March 14, 2020, 10:13:19 AM
I've been getting emails from restaurants offering discounts if I come in and order it to go or have it delivered. Presidents and CEOs are describing what they are doing based off the recent events. They are offering hand sanitizers at the door, educating employees about washing hands and keeping surfaces cleaned. Supermarkets are sending out emails they are hiring. I small medical clinic I drove by yesterday had a person outside the door to screen patients before they enter.

1 out of every 3425 people in Italy is infected. Switzerland's infection cases have skyrocketed and they have 1 out of every 6232 cases infected. 1 out of every 5103 people in Norway is infected. 1 out of 6775 people in Denmark is infected. These nations are close to having to enact drastic measures soon. Italy announce the lockdown of the nation when they had about 1 out of every 6000 infected IIRC. Surprisingly, China with dense populations had this virus longer than anybody has only one out of every 17,148 people infected. No wonder WHO praised their ability to manage the virus. :rolleyes:


BC and Krim, my county, hardest hit in all America doesn't have our hospitals full. People are not sick filling them up like what is going on in Italy. Because my county is hardest hit, we get the lions share of test kits that have been distributed. People are lining up for testing and if those numbers start becoming alarming, then I would know based on government action. No government action has happened for the last few days since the no gatherings of more than 250 rule went into effect. I really think America overall will be fine. If quarantines happen, it will happen at the state or local levels to contain the spread. People are going to die. How much and for how long depends on us. People need to do their part to limit and prevent spread. If we lose this battle, our future generations will continue to suffer. Don't expect a vaccine or treatment ever to be found.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: msmob on March 14, 2020, 10:25:27 AM

BC is just maybe too busy googling trump hate materials instead of paying better attention in his ‘home’ country

FFS, GQB

If you want to be 'respected' by those WITH a clue - stop 'quoting' stuff your ( smarter) 'opponent  posted or said or does ( did)


Most cases - for now - in Italy are in a very concentrated area and those ( who know ) understand that the US ( and UK )  simply hasn't got the ITU beds / facilities Italy has..

IF 'we' get hot spots like Lombardy .. there will be folks dying for the lack of kit - who MIGHT stand a chance ..


This tosh about 'hate' / 'envy' is all in your tiny mind .....   


Gawd save us from 'patriots' the world over ...







Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: krimster2 on March 14, 2020, 10:28:00 AM
nee ha!

to the guy who “did” covid...

most BRUTAL MFer EVER since your direct relatives Ghenghis and Mao...

my questions to you...
do people in the government know?
will you reveal yourself openly sometime in the future?

I am stunned...
I totally see the trajectory of what you’re trying to achieve...
you are so high on a scale that even someone like me can’t see it
who the hell are you?
maybe even better to ask, “what are you”?

will you answer me here?
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: GQBlues on March 14, 2020, 10:41:52 AM
FFS, GQB

If you want to be 'respected' by those WITH a clue -

:ROFL: Who? You? LMAO!

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stop 'quoting' stuff your ( smarter) 'opponent  posted or said or does ( did)

El smart one, repost the above because you simply have a hard time talking straight.

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Most cases - for now - in Italy are in a very concentrated area and those ( who know ) understand that the US ( and UK )  simply hasn't got the ITU beds / facilities Italy has..

Well then why did they NOT recognize this fact and ban flights (they demonize Trump for doing. They had a 2-week lead time) coming from the hot zones, dumbo? Your weak attempt to cover the reality in Italy (did you miss that videc of that dude with his dead sister and his call the night before?), just as the rest of the socialized system, all had been exposed for what they pretty much are.

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IF 'we' get hot spots like Lombardy .. there will be folks dying for the lack of kit - who MIGHT stand a chance ..

IT IS DIABOLICAL THAT THE VERY FOLKS WHO GAVE COMPLETE FAITH IN THE SYSTEM THAT PEOPLE LIKE YOU GLORIFY EVERY CHANCE YOU GET, ARE THE PEOPLE BEING LEFT ALONE TO SUFFER AND SLAUGTHER. These folks are dying in a very slow asphyxiated death because of total unpreparedness of their socialized medicine. Do you even understand that? It reminds me of those 15,000 dead French folks who died because of a two week heat wave not long ago. 35,000 in Europe total. They died not because of the triple digit heat (113 F We nearly have that every year in Kali, man), but because the French medical system did not have adequate equipment to save their lives.

That have absolutely NOTHING to do with demographics and DENSITY.

Get it in your head that you're now facing the realities that had been screaming in your faces all these time that you are BEING PROVEN HEINOUSLY WRONG.


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This tosh about 'hate' / 'envy' is all in your tiny mind .....

THAT, is exactly what that is. You really must learn to deal with it. 

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Gawd save us from 'patriots' the world over ...

The US been there, done that. The US obviously had made that mistake twice the last century. Very likely do it again, too for our helpless misguided, jealous, envious, hateful neighbors ingrates across the pond when they start cannibalizing each other again.

Get closure, 'homes....these are reality you need to face.

ADMIT reality!
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 14, 2020, 10:46:42 AM
GQ,

The average age of those that have passed from the Coronavirus in Italy is 81-82 . Over 20% of the population here is over 65 with the more densely populated area being the affected area in the north.

As stated before, without testing like is being done elsewhere we (in the US) can't know the numbers of those that did pass because of Covid instead of influenza or other respiratory illnesses.

And yet nearly 100 percent of those that die are elderly and/or have underlying health problems. Possible but I fear governments around the world may be keeping it from the general public that maybe a large group of those that are now dying (as opposed to at the start of this pandemic in the west) are younger & don't have underlying health conditions. I could be wrong but if you think about it and that was the case and news got out about it what then? Odds are people would panic even more and more likely quit their jobs and go into hibination, that would be total panic and cause any sort of daily life as we have known it to cease. Forget ordering take aways, grocery shopping, getting people in to fix this & that, etc.

I think this as they just keep trotting out the line about 'they were elderly with underlying health problems' but have most of those in Italy of late who have died from it been that? There just seems to be a blank there and when there is a blank it is usually something they are not telling us.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: msmob on March 14, 2020, 10:54:33 AM
And yet nearly 100 percent of those that die are elderly and/or have underlying health problems. Possible but I fear governments around the world may be keeping it from the general public that maybe a large group of those that are now dying (as opposed to at the start of this pandemic in the west) are younger & don't have underlying health conditions. I could be wrong but if you think about it and that was the case and news got out about it what then? Odds are people would panic even more and more likely quit their jobs and go into hibination, that would be total panic and cause any sort of daily life as we have known it to cease. Forget ordering take aways, grocery shopping, getting people in to fix this & that, etc.

I think this as they just keep trotting out the line about 'they were elderly with underlying health problems' but have most of those in Italy of late who have died from it been that? There just seems to be a blank there and when there is a blank it is usually something they are not telling us.

Trench,

BC and Sandro are out there ... Sandro is in the 'thick' of it .. My 'ol Uni friend is in central Rome ... Have you heard from any of them backing up your 'theory' ?

Medical staff are pulling long stints and running themselves into the ground physically

I'm being sent some lovely examples of community spirit in Rome - as my friend walks her dog ..


Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 14, 2020, 10:55:45 AM
If we look at the map here of known Coronavirus cases worldwide:
http://tinyurl.com/rc2a632


We see that places that don't have it bad are either current cold temperature places like Eastern Europe, Russian & Ukraine, etc or hot places like South America & Africa. Possibly I am thinking that Africans & Hispanics might have a lot higher built in immunity to it, maybe total immunity? I don't think it can all be put down to chance and the way these governments are handling the problem. By now they should all be having it but are not.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: BillyB on March 14, 2020, 11:07:13 AM
IF 'we' get hot spots like Lombardy .. there will be folks dying for the lack of kit - who MIGHT stand a chance ..


Test Kits will not save a person's life. Test kits only identify COVID-19. If an ill person goes to the hospital with pneumonia, the doctor will take the patient in for treatment. Doctor doesn't need to know if the pneumonia is bacterial or viral infection to begin treatment but there is not treatment for COVID-19. There is no anti-viral medicine. So if a doctor tells a patient with a slight fever to go home and stay away from people, it's no different then the doctor telling the patient lay down in this hospital bed and stay away from people. It doesn't matter if the person is home or at the hospital. They have to ride out COVID-19 on their own. The only advantage a person with COVID has in the hospital is that they can get a machine to breathe easier and quicker access to medicine to relieve pain. Medicine to relieve pain can be sent home with the patient. But governments can't trust people to self isolate for 30 days on their own. Test kits are needed to identify those infected with COVID and lock them up even if they don't want to be locked up.

Africa is starting to show signs of infection. It'll probably skyrocket. They have less means to control the situation. After wealthy nations finish their battle with the virus in a few years, they may begin helping Africa.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 14, 2020, 11:12:27 AM
Trench,

BC and Sandro are out there ... Sandro is in the 'thick' of it .. My 'ol Uni friend is in central Rome ... Have you heard from any of them backing up your 'theory' ?

Medical staff are pulling long stints and running themselves into the ground physically

I'm been sent some lovely examples of community spirit in Rome - as my friend walks her dog ..

Mobe, I haven't seen any posts here from Sandro of late. These numbers of people we are seeing being affected in Italy are still quite low in a country of millions. Yet it is spreading rapidly, it very much looks at present that by summer we will all be in a even very much worse situation than we are in today. People before WWI and WWII hit proper did much the same, they carried on as if life was normal, but it wasn't, some people like to shut out the bad news and pretend it doesn't exist and hope it just goes away. It rarely tends to they just don't want to exist in the awful reality that we are in.

Do you know what happens in an emergency in a plane such as like when a fire breaks out or similar and a place has to force land. There are passengers that realise the danger are motivated to survive and are on their feet. Then there are passengers that just sit there or just stand there frozen unmoving in the aisle blocking the means of escape of the other passengers. They just don't want to believe the danger they are in and would rather see out whatever little time remains till the end in tranquil oblivion rather than take a chance however large or little as to making a move for survival.

If BC & Sandro a wealthy as they probably are, retired, etc then they have the means to not have to worry about problems people that have to work have to worry about, etc. It's far easier for them to act as if nothing bad is happening and it's much the same as normal. For them some, maybe may things are the same as normal for the moment and they are enjoying that while it lasts. Things are very much anything other than normal for most there however.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 14, 2020, 11:22:31 AM
But governments can't trust people to self isolate for 30 days on their own. Test kits are needed to identify those infected with COVID and lock them up even if they don't want to be locked up.

Indeed, I think many people that have got it won't go to the hospital with it until or if it gets pretty bad. If I had it I wouldn't unless it was pretty bad, I would self isolate as best as possible or I might just be unsure not really knowing if I had the flu or the Coronavirus but in any case I wouldn't bother to get checked out since the thought of being locked up stuck in a bed with sweet F'all to do other than be bored dementedly for the next few weeks would scare me off from even contemplating doing that. I would not blame others for wanting to avoid doing that also, lol and now so many have got it and it's spread is pretty much a sure thing there is little point in doing that anyway.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: krimster2 on March 14, 2020, 11:42:37 AM
http://time.com/5801726/coronavirus-models-forecast

The degree to which the U.S. government and the healthcare industry can coordinate efforts to test individuals more effectively — a process that has been confusing, slow and riddled with errors — could mean the difference between tens of thousands of cases over the next six weeks, or well over a million.



Trump's decisions regarding covid, will cause this number to rise into the millions as quickly as possible and he will call this his "victory"
and you guys will be calling for a parade in his honor

see all Trump really does is throw the dart...
then go up to the dart board
and draw a bullseye around wherever the dart hit...
and then he says "look another BULLSEYE"!

and Fox news says "Trump scores another direct hit"
and you guys think Trump is some kinda Wyatt Earp
when in reality he doesn't even know which end of the gun to point



Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 14, 2020, 12:47:53 PM
Deaths from Coronavirus have doubled today in the UK with 10 more deaths. All had underlying health conditions and the majority 8 out if the ten were men. Again could show that men suffer worse and also that we are getting to those when cases started a little while ago now. Think that it will be longer till we might see younger people without underlying health conditions possibly not making it. Also that the death rate like Italy will unfortunately likely climb and climb.

http://www.google.com/search?q=Coronavirus+worldwide&client=ms-android-xiaomi-rev2&prmd=nimv&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjRpdL0wproAhWxkFwKHRHbBX4Q_AUoAnoECAoQAg#imgrc=u_uyPCybRmliNM
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: Gator on March 14, 2020, 01:30:17 PM
....The same information resolution is not available to the President of the United States....

A long time ago I mentioned the problem with testing.  The US had tested only a few hundred cases, while in comparison South Korea had done tens of thousands. 

When the smoke clears, we will have a better understanding of what went wrong.   We will also know in a couple of months if the testing limitations were a major factor. 

Meanwhile our capacity for robust testing is rapidly increasing using Roche (Swiss medical company) technology for highly automated tests, with results reported in 3-½ hours.  The testing  "can be run on Roche’s fully-automated machines which are already installed in hospitals and laboratories across the U.S. and around the world."

Testing is not the only tool.   We have relied on clinical diagnosis, epidemiological studies, and monitoring by the health departments.   Another effective tool was Trump's travel ban in late-January.    That clearly has helped. 

 
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When this all calms down a bit a postmortem will surely be performed and we will be able to see how lacking our capabilities are to react in a timely manner to such a crisis. 

It will be a subject of utmost interest, with fingers pointed everywhere.  Sadly, there will be a large number of people who fell through the cracks in the floor. 

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The relative calm I see here in Italy is due to concise messaging, accurate information and concrete actions that are very visible to the population.

Calm is important given the news from Italy. 

The postmortem will provide evidence of which nation had the most effective procedures and leadership.  Currently, it seems Singapore and South Korea were the most effective, yet it is too early to make that conclusion.  And any analysis needs to consider the effect of existing systems to  protect individual freedoms.   

Until the postmortem, I see no value in criticizing.   However, if blaming the crisis on Trump lowers someone's anxiety, that's great because lowered anxiety will help an individual's immunity system.   Keep in mind that many important decisions are made largely at the State level, with much responsibility delegated to the local health departments and our doctors.    For example, the State Dept. of Health decided who was tested and not tested.   
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: Gator on March 14, 2020, 01:32:40 PM

Trump's decisions regarding covid, will cause this number to rise into the millions as quickly as possible and he will call this his "victory"
and you guys will be calling for a parade in his honor


The Las Vegas betting over/under is 130 million.  I took the over. 


Edited to report this as "FAKE NEWS"
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: 2tallbill on March 14, 2020, 02:24:08 PM
H1N1 was one of Obama's viruses, in that it happened on his
watch. 12,469 Americans died of H1N1/swine flu in 2009.

My prediction: Far less Americans will die of Corona virus
yet Trump will be blamed by liberals for every single death.

Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: GQBlues on March 14, 2020, 02:34:12 PM
H1N1 was one of Obama's viruses, in that it happened on his
watch. 12,469 Americans died of H1N1/swine flu in 2009.

I made that point upthread. Yet, you see and hear far more panicked folks out on the streets and in the news channels. I went to pick up some fresh vegetables and criminey, I can't believe some of the people hoarding things of whatever they believe will be their survival essentials.

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My prediction: Far less Americans will die of Corona virus
yet Trump will be blamed by liberals for every single death.

There was a White House press conference earlier to give the public an update. It was headed by VP Pence. Dr. Berg (sp) said they have reasons to believe that when all is said and done, they anticipate a 90-98% survival rate. This wouldn't be out of line if you consider everyone is reporting that roughly 80% suffer 'mild infection'. That's taking this from China and So. Korea.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: msmob on March 14, 2020, 02:38:26 PM
Test Kits will not save a person's life.

Perhaps I wasn't being clear .. by 'kit' I meant respirators ..
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: msmob on March 14, 2020, 02:41:31 PM
H1N1 was one of Obama's viruses, in that it happened on his
watch. 12,469 Americans died of H1N1/swine flu in 2009.

My prediction: Far less Americans will die of Corona virus
yet Trump will be blamed by liberals for every single death.

Warning - there are rude words in this video .. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hks6Nq7g6P4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hks6Nq7g6P4)
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: krimster2 on March 14, 2020, 03:10:56 PM
I am sorry everyone!!!

I am going to stop bullshitting you now...
and tell you the truth....

so listen....

we are at the VERY BEGINNING of a global collapse...

the virus will just be one thread of the rope that’s gonna be wrapped around our necks...

the virus itself, is going to infect millions in the USA by the 4th of July...
killing 10s of thousands by then, with most of the deaths occurring in large cities

if you have any serious medical emergency from now on...
a serious car accident, heart attack...
you’re going to die
by the time you are going to hear about mass burials and cremations
what you hear will only be the tip of what’s actually happening

when the stores all shutdown, the government will be in charge of food distribution
either through some kind of a delivery system or distribution centers located in all
closed schools

there will be emergency tent hospitals everywhere, find your closest
there should be refugee centers by then
if your area is getting too dangerous, you may want to consider relocating
to a center in your quarantine zone

millions of high anxiety people who are running out of money, food and hope
but still have lots of ammo
they will be runnin ‘round everywhere
every time your designated shopper goes out
they’ll be running into these people
hundreds of ‘em
capische?
and...

what about Hillary’s emails now, bitches?


Hey everyone!
the covid-19 testing problem is NOW almost solved in the USA!!!!

you can get a FREE government issued covid-19 test!!!

YES!!!  and be provably covid-clean!!  and go through a quarantine zone with this

where do you get it?
at Jarred’s!!!

you know!
that tech-driven health insurance company company that Kushner owns stock in....
they’re selling the government covid test kits, now that the gov is gonna pay top $$ for them

this is why we didn’t use the free WHO covid tests like Korea does
and why we were waiting so long for the tests

“a tech-driven health insurance company, launched the first testing center locator for COVID-19 in the U.S., featuring more than 100 centers today. It is accessible to the general public and more testing centers are being added every day.”

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/oscar-launches-first-testing-center-locator-for-covid-19-301023288.html
http://www.hioscar.com/

ka-ching MFers
once again ya’all got played for suckers
you NEVER learn do ya

so Trump's family owns and bills the government for covid testing now...
and since Biden has a stuttering problem
it should stay that way for quite a while
Jarred's corporate market survey saw that the numbers of infected would rise
and this would raise the testing market sky high
incredible margins and profits
ka-ching!
dumb phuques


journalists please do your job
and report on all of Trump's business interests that are involved in covid testing

did Trump just pass the 50 billion emergency aid package
just so he can pay himself for covid testing?

yes....

and you're upset about toilette paper hoarders?
gezzzzuz!





Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 14, 2020, 03:53:10 PM
I am sorry everyone!!!

I am going to stop bullshitting you now...
and tell you the truth....

so listen....

we are at the VERY BEGINNING of a global collapse...

the virus will just be one thread of the rope that’s gonna be wrapped around our necks...

the virus itself, is going to infect millions in the USA by the 4th of July...
killing 10s of thousands by then, with most of the deaths occurring in large cities

When the stores all shutdown, the government will be in charge of food distribution
either through some kind of a delivery system or distribution centers located in all
closed schools

there will be emergency tent hospitals everywhere, find your closest
there should be refugee centers by then
if your area is getting too dangerous, you may want to consider relocating
to a center in your quarantine zone

millions of high anxiety people who are running out of money, food and hope
but still have lots of ammo
they will be runnin ‘round everywhere
every time your designated shopper goes out
they’ll be running into these people
hundreds of ‘em
capische?

That is my fear Krim is what you are saying will come about. I hope it doesn't, the more scarcity of food that there is the more likely that things will turn very bad. The general public do not generally have guns here in the UK but other stuff will be used. When so e people run out of stuff and there is precious little other place to get it they will have no option other than to use whatever other means are at their disposal.

That's why I think Italy has taken a wrong decision in shutting all shops, it risks playing into that world.

Honestly I do wonder if when we get to the stage Italy was at with lockdowns we would be better off just chatting on as normal. Instead of telling Coronavirus suffers to call 111 and go to hospital we would probably be better advising them to stay at home and see it out. Either they will make it or they won't.

That is what happened back in the day. If it really is just those with underlying health conditions then that will be the size of it, mostly. Those with underlying health conditions and any suffering real bad could just turn up at hospital and a doctor would asses them and see if they could mutually agree whether intervention would be useful or not.

I don't see panic as causing a problem here, I see it more of one of fear spreading and wreaking society. Better to just say 'hey theres's a real bad virus doing the rounds, it's (apparently) mostly those with underlying health problems that are affected so carry on as normal, but some of you with underlying health problems may wish to hibinate for many months or risk the inevitable'.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: BillyB on March 14, 2020, 05:25:52 PM
Meanwhile our capacity for robust testing is rapidly increasing using Roche (Swiss medical company) technology for highly automated tests, with results reported in 3-½ hours.  The testing  "can be run on Roche’s fully-automated machines which are already installed in hospitals and laboratories across the U.S. and around the world."


3 1/2 hrs for results? That's awful. If the machine tests 100 people in that time, where are they going to put them all while they wait for their test results? Can't put them in a room together. Can't send them home.

I know guy who knows a woman that went in for a test a few days ago. Test results are instant and she went home right after. This is in King County, WA

I just came home after eating at a restaurant I normally go to once a month. Across the street is a hotel that is shut down. I ask the waitress about it. She says it's been closed for two weeks and was to be turned into a hospital. The fact that it's still not being used after two weeks gives me hope we got decent control over the virus. If mass people are infected, they would be sick within two weeks and we would be using that hotel by now.

H1N1 was one of Obama's viruses, in that it happened on his
watch. 12,469 Americans died of H1N1/swine flu in 2009.

My prediction: Far less Americans will die of Corona virus
yet Trump will be blamed by liberals for every single death.


1 out of every 1000 people die from the flu

1 out of every 3000 dies from the swine flu  Obama had to deal with a Level 1 pandemic. Trump will have to deal with a level 5 pandemic.

There was a White House press conference earlier to give the public an update. It was headed by VP Pence. Dr. Berg (sp) said they have reasons to believe that when all is said and done, they anticipate a 90-98% survival rate.


Wow! Somebody at the government anticipates up to 10%(1 out of every 10 people) will die? I believe it but I never expected them to admit it. If everybody in the world gets this virus once, up to 780 million people can die. Without a vaccine how many will die on the second and third and fourth waves etc...….?
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 14, 2020, 05:40:48 PM
I'm thinking that there might be some truth in the theory that there are a lot of mild cases out there that are unknown about by the governments of countries. Problem is that most countries have the 'call us if you think you have it and we'll quarentine (ahem, lock you up!) for the duration'. During this time you will be bored witless, likely never develop severe symptoms and wished you had never called while you contemplate weeks of your life being wasted. Not until they continue testing you and you get an all clear will you be allowed out.

Apparently looking online some people may even have Coronavirus and not even know/have no symptoms. While if this is the case the chances of them passing it on is seen as far less if they at least had a more open policy on testing and verdict of what happens next it could motivate more mild suffers to get tested. This could be important information in understanding how this virus operates and spreads. It could show us that this virus spreads without us being able to detect it in many people and that would make it an uncontrollable virus at the outset.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: calmissile on March 14, 2020, 06:25:54 PM
I made that point upthread. Yet, you see and hear far more panicked folks out on the streets and in the news channels. I went to pick up some fresh vegetables and criminey, I can't believe some of the people hoarding things of whatever they believe will be their survival essentials.

There was a White House press conference earlier to give the public an update. It was headed by VP Pence. Dr. Berg (sp) said they have reasons to believe that when all is said and done, they anticipate a 90-98% survival rate. This wouldn't be out of line if you consider everyone is reporting that roughly 80% suffer 'mild infection'. That's taking this from China and So. Korea.

GQ, I was curious about the quote about 90-98% survival rate so I looked for the quote and could not find it.  It appears to me that the statement (quote for Dr. Birx) needs to be qualified.  It is not clear to me if he meant everyone that contracted the virus, only those with symptoms that sought medical treatment, or limited to those with severe symptoms.  The 90-98% survival rate figure by itself is somewhat useless to evaluate without defining the data base.  If you still have the quote by Dr. Birx, please provide the reference.  Thanks.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: GQBlues on March 14, 2020, 06:59:01 PM
GQ, I was curious about the quote about 90-98% survival rate so I looked for the quote and could not find it.  It appears to me that the statement (quote for Dr. Birx) needs to be qualified.  It is not clear to me if he meant everyone that contracted the virus, only those with symptoms that sought medical treatment, or limited to those with severe symptoms.  The 90-98% survival rate figure by itself is somewhat useless to evaluate without defining the data base.  If you still have the quote by Dr. Birx, please provide the reference.  Thanks.

Hey Cal-

I found the entire press conference. I started fast forwarding to Dr. Brix (yeay!) speaking. Hearing this over again looks like I misheard or misunderstood what she actually said. The closest portion to what I said above was when she cited testing results that was yielding 99-98% negative. This would definitely be my bad, if so...

This conference actually detailed most of the things that a lot of people are wondering about. It seems every section of the purpose of this Coronavirus Task Force was given to share with the public, including the partnership with Google in the creation of the website dedicated to the testing. It seems they'll pilot the site this Monday and will first be focusing on the Bay Area. Further travel ban (UK/Ireland), the pending bill, etc... 

Anyway...here's the press conference...a hour and 25 minutes +/-.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvHD1Jcx54w

Just listened again. It was actually SG Jerome Adams who made the statement. I did erred in the numerics. He said 98-99% of the people will recover. It is at the 1:04 mark of the video.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: calmissile on March 14, 2020, 07:33:20 PM
Thanks for the response.  I watched the press release and did not pick up the figures you had posted so was curious.  Since no one has any idea how many are carriers without symptoms, how many have symptoms and not sought treatment.  My opinion is that the only metrics that have any credibility or value are those that only include the cases that are medically treated.  Futhermore, it would be valuable to break down those cases by age group and further separate them by those with and without underlying health conditions.

This toilet paper crisis is a riot to watch.  How idiotic.  Can't city slickers survive without their ultrasoft toilet paper? :)  They should take a trip to Ukraine and wipe their butts with the tiny square they sell you at the public restrooms.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: fathertime on March 14, 2020, 07:47:09 PM

This toilet paper crisis is a riot to watch.  How idiotic.  Can't city slickers survive without their ultrasoft toilet paper? :) 
Venezuela is shipping us some cargo ships of toilet paper so us 'resilient' Americans will be just fine.

Fathertime! 
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: BillyB on March 14, 2020, 07:48:23 PM

Spain is locking down their nation.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-51888936
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: fathertime on March 14, 2020, 07:53:52 PM
H1N1 was one of Obama's viruses, in that it happened on his
watch. 12,469 Americans died of H1N1/swine flu in 2009.

My prediction: Far less Americans will die of Corona virus

It will be a tempest in a teapot if indeed less people die from this Corona virus than did from the swine flu.   Still not hearing about bodies piling up in the USA, and at this stage I would have expected to have.   Of course there is a chance that the number is being suppressed for the moment....but I don't that is the case. 

Fathertime! 
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: fathertime on March 14, 2020, 08:01:53 PM

You'll soon see your neighborhood supermarts (Target, Walmart, Malls, etc..) housing tents and makeshift drive throughs with alien-looking hazmat-suited beings abducting Americans into their keep.
After hearing all the stories throughout the work day, I couldn't resist taking a peak in the local supermarket.  No long lines...probably because there was very little left on the shelves.   There was some bottled alkaline water available, which I made the decision I'd rather die than drink that, whatever it is.   There was also cases of Fiji and Voss water which is very expensive so it seems the survivalist shoppers were still pinching pennies.

The amount of exercise equipment being sold is unreal right now...people don't want to work out on those gross sweaty public machines.  Also large fuel storage containers and generators. 

Fathertime! 
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: GQBlues on March 14, 2020, 08:03:27 PM
...This toilet paper crisis is a riot to watch.  How idiotic.  Can't city slickers survive without their ultrasoft toilet paper? :)  They should take a trip to Ukraine and wipe their butts with the tiny square they sell you at the public restrooms.

LOL, it took nearly 30 minutes to get through the register when I was at the market earlier. Trader Joe's and Whole Foods were a cluster, but orderly. It's just beyond me why people are panic-buying. Costco, & I'm sure Walmart, is probably seeing their daily gross tickets exceeding any black Friday they've recorded.

Just read FT's post above...we have polarized experience today.

What the heck is an alkaline water used for? Is that anything like Whole Foods' *Asparagus Water*? :devil:

Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: BillyB on March 14, 2020, 08:15:29 PM

I got all my stuff a long time ago when China was putting out BS numbers giving people the impression the virus isn't much more dangerous than the flu. I don't go to store but I still eat out sometimes and there's not many people in the restaurants. Most employees there estimate about a 20% drop in business.

WHO declares Europe as the epicenter of the pandemic. 7 more European nations closes their borders

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-51876784
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: tfcrew on March 14, 2020, 08:24:05 PM
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Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: krimster2 on March 14, 2020, 09:00:10 PM
ok, rednecks, listen up

why do you want to hoard food now as opposed to hoarding it later...

i’m gonna ‘splain to ya, “why”

let’s say, each time you go into the grocery store...
there’s a “virus count” inside the store...
kinda like the “pollen count” outside the store....

now when do ya’ll wanna go to the store?
when the virus count is low, like now?
or in late May to July when it’s at its peak?

from now on, start thinking about how to lower your risks!!!
capische?

shop as much as you can when the risk is low
so that you can shop less when the risk is high

my advice start shopping now on a daily basis
and put a little away each day
the more you save the better

I urge others to start a new thread, that I promise NOT
to pollute with pro-kremlin trolling
dedicated to practical survival tips to share with each other

I'd like to provide a medical guide for geezers about what to do if you get it
what medicines are must haves and what to stay away from

BUT...
I want someone credible to start and kinda supervise it
and keep it free from bullshit!!!

just the best survival tips for you and your family
and absolutely NO BULLSHIT!

anyone agree?


at 11:30 PM on Sat night you can still buy some food items on Amazon for a "reasonable" price
I was able to buy a week's supply of freeze dried food for 3 people for < $200, prices are rising fast
and selection falling even faster

but if you bought a month's worth of food for your family online
that's a month's time one of you won't have to leave the house to shop
May to maybe July will likely be the peak months
that's when you want your stash of freeze dried food
so you don't even have to go out and expose yourself




Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 14, 2020, 11:21:38 PM
Pollen count is not a bad way of putting it Krim, I'm really starting to think this virus and all flu viruses are more like gas or weed in that it just floats around in the air unseen. People unknowingly walk into it and get infected, they just breath it in or it infects their face. That apart from wearing respirators, gas masks to a full blown hazmat there is little we can do about getting it. We think about people getting it was a result of coughs and touching stuff but that is just the tip of the iceberg, a heavy handed way about it while the virus moves a lot more cunningly with us totally unawares.


I have stocked up most stuff now, I've done it a bit at a time. I've tried galvanising other family members into action where I can with caring degrees of success so if a shortage hits we are not being weighed down a lot giving other family members who haven't bothered a lot of the stock. I think it's better to be prepared as the old boy scout motto goes even if it means panic buying, better to panic now than have a worse panic when the sh*t hits the fan and lockdowns etc occur. I have also bought stuff to prepare for it all, I have just yesterday bought an electric hair clipper off Amazon so I can do my hair and avoid the hair dresser, I have bought other useful tools also. It's all costing me money but for all I know that may become worthless soon anyway. The currency of the day might become a tin of beans, eggs, etc just like back in the hyper-inflation days in Germany in the interwar period.

I've thought about stockpiling fuel but I'm not sure how much I'm safely allowed to keep in the UK and it's probably going to be too much bother. I may get an extra petrol can or so but if it becomes a problem I will have to realise that the car is not going to be a long term option and  the cycle will need to come into use. For that I need some new tyres and inner tube since it's still on its first pair since I bought the cycle about 27 or so years ago.

I'm hoping that things won't go any more badly than that. Even stock piled food will run out over time even if getting a trickle through supermarkets. Hopefully this won't descend any further than that into a national food shortage. I'm thinking that this situation will hit it's worst by summer and will have worked through the population by winter. The virus seems to not decrease in the warm weather, if anything it looks like it spreads more so I'm hoping that points to it being a one off rather than a seasonal thing. That would be one saving grace at least.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: BC on March 15, 2020, 01:31:15 AM
For them some, maybe may things are the same as normal for the moment and they are enjoying that while it lasts. Things are very much anything other than normal for most there however.

I'm really starting to think this virus and all flu viruses are more like gas or weed in that it just floats around in the air unseen. People unknowingly walk into it and get infected, they just breath it in or it infects their face. That apart from wearing respirators, gas masks to a full blown hazmat there is little we can do about getting it. We think about people getting it was a result of coughs and touching stuff but that is just the tip of the iceberg, a heavy handed way about it while the virus moves a lot more cunningly with us totally unawares.


Trench,

would you kindly stop posting this kinda crap?  It only makes things worse for other dipsticks that read and might believe such crap.  You are only projecting your fears on other gullible folks.  If you are worried about the aerosol spread, wear a mask.

Surely things are not the same as before, but we seem to be adjusting well and I am not talking only about myself.  Life goes on, folks that are not sick go to work, folks go to the store to buy what they need, stores classified as 'necessities' are a wide range.

Measures to support those that are affected include a moratorium on taxes, even back taxes, utility bills, mortgage payments, rent and salaries for those that cannot work, Loans for self-employed and small businesses that have more than a 25% reduction in income and the list goes on and on and on.  This from a quick scan of new legislation.

There are assholes in this world whose life sucks so much, they even relish what's going on and seem to want to justify their discontent by trying to create chaos and destruction.  Don't be one of them.  In this unchecked information age, your words can be just as bad as what this guy did:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/belgium-subway-train-passenger-lick-fingers-pole-coronavirus-a9394876.html

Sure, let us know how it is where you live or first-hand reports from your loved ones or your thoughts about how things are being done elsewhere, but don't project your fears on others.  Don't worry you are not alone, I also direct this post to Krimster but recognize there may be some mitigating 'issues' involved.

Off to cook brunch here, homemade english muffins, eggs, bacon, homemade breakfast sausage, grits, pancakes and toast.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: BC on March 15, 2020, 03:01:28 AM
Health officials expect the epidemic to peak here in the next few days.  The chart shows infections per day:

(http://notizie.tiscali.it/export/sites/notizie/.galleries/19/stima-contagio-chart.jpg_997313609.jpg)

By mid-April, the count projected is 90,000 infections and 360,000 in quarantine that with symptoms since it all began. Total deaths expected to reach more than 3000.

All eyes are on this weekend as there were many beach parties and other pre containment parties in the more southern areas right before the 'lockdown' went into effect for the whole country so the incubation time makes it 'ripe' in the next days.  'Stupid is as stupid does'....

Reports say the median age of folks in intensive care is getting lower, with many in their 30's 40's 50's without other medical conditions having to be put on respirators, so don't let age alone make you feel safe and complacent.

Folks in intensive care in the primarily affected areas are increasing 700+ or so now vs 650 a couple of days ago. Although there may be isolated cases where difficult decisions had to be made, it does not seem to be a widespread problem as GQ seemed to insinuate.  Such decisions are made daily even without an epidemic.  Today saw reported that only 20 or so intensive care beds available in Lombardia.  If intensive care beds are not available patients are being moved as far south as Palermo and other areas that still have a lot of capacity and where numbers remained low due to containment.  At the same time, 1000 respirators from China flown in a couple of days ago are being distributed and installed. It's not only the number of respirators available that counts but also trained folks needed to operate and care for intensive care patients. Medical personnel are also at higher risk for infection. If one gets a fever and they have to go home which reduces the available medical workforce.

Other tidbits, with the closure of restaurants and open markets, demand for fresh veggies and fish products is dropping with many fisheries closing, boats staying in port and agricultural products not being picked, possibly leading to shortages of these fresh products beginning next week. This is not expected to affect frozen products.

To put geography, topology, population into perspective, think of California with 1.5 times the population as being fairly comparable to Italy.

I really, really do hope the US is spared much of this.  I am posting all this so that whoever and wherever is hit next will have some idea what to expect and what to watch out for.

Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: Chelseaboy on March 15, 2020, 04:03:33 AM
As I was saying....President Trump mentioned in his press conference that 36,000 people die annually on average in the USA with Flu..yet no-one says anything about that.

50 people die of Corona virus and it's a national emergency.

Of course the Trump hating media can't hold him accountable for the Flu..it's been around for yonks...so they're beating him with a stick over this new virus instead and inducing hysteria among the population..suits their agenda.

Same happening over here is happening with the lefty media bashing Boris Johnson..no matter what he does they'll spin it against him.

Any economic crash will have been created by an agenda-driven media who want to make the news rather than just report on it...and gullible public are falling for it.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 15, 2020, 04:08:18 AM

Reports say the median age of folks in intensive care is getting lower, with many in their 30's 40's 50's without other medical conditions having to be put on respirators, so don't let age alone make you feel safe and complacent.

I really, really do hope the US is spared much of this.  I am posting all this so that whoever and wherever is hit next will have some idea what to expect and what to watch out for.

That's what I mean! I said I felt there were blanks we weren't being told about with the, 'there all elderly with underlying health conditions' line. As I suspected there ARE younger people without underlying health conditions this affects. They no doubt kept this back to keep sheer utter panic and  fright from setting into the whole population. Some young people will be going around thinking it is just the elderly which they are not remotely bear and they don't have any underlying health conditions so they don't care. That we now know is not the case and as I said it's just those with pre existing underlying conditions it bumps off first. It looks like many people with underlying health conditions young and old are goners the rest of us will just have to wait and see.

Unfortunately I don't think many will be spared this, perhaps if you live or go to somewhere remote. There is too little reason for me to run off by myself to somewhere remote, none of my family members are likely to, if I had a family though I would.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 15, 2020, 04:22:06 AM
Trench,

would you kindly stop posting this kinda crap?  It only makes things worse for other dipsticks that read and might believe such crap.  You are only projecting your fears on other gullible folks.  If you are worried about the aerosol spread, wear a mask.

Surely things are not the same as before, but we seem to be adjusting well and I am not talking only about myself.  Life goes on, folks that are not sick go to work, folks go to the store to buy what they need, stores classified as 'necessities' are a wide range.

Measures to support those that are affected include a moratorium on taxes, even back taxes, utility bills, mortgage payments, rent and salaries for those that cannot work, Loans for self-employed and small businesses that have more than a 25% reduction in income and the list goes on and on and on.  This from a quick scan of new legislation.

There are assholes in this world whose life sucks so much, they even relish what's going on and seem to want to justify their discontent by trying to create chaos and destruction.  Don't be one of them.  In this unchecked information age, your words can be just as bad as what this guy did:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/belgium-subway-train-passenger-lick-fingers-pole-coronavirus-a9394876.html

Sure, let us know how it is where you live or first-hand reports from your loved ones or your thoughts about how things are being done elsewhere, but don't project your fears on others.  Don't worry you are not alone, I also direct this post to Krimster but recognize there may be some mitigating 'issues' involved.

Off to cook brunch here, homemade english muffins, eggs, bacon, homemade breakfast sausage, grits, pancakes and toast.

It's not about fears BC, it's about reality. We are having the truth kept from us by well meaning governments. They are looking at it from a societal view and know it's best not to panic the population at large. We are thinking individuals and as individuals it best serves us to know the truth since we already suspect things aren't as we are told they are. Knowing the truth we can better prepare ourselves and then hope for the best.

Some people I suspect know the picture is not as rosy as made out but they just don't want to accept it and wish to carry on as if nothing is happening. It's the mentality I was talking about up thread about the plane scenario. I don't wish to break their illusion of reality but I can't in good conscience go along with a merry tune of falsehood. It seems to me there are people wishing to believe in bullsh*t then expect others too as well and diss them as scaremongers if they don't believe the same. I won't go along with that idiocy.

For your and everyone else's sake including my own I hope that graph is right and not more bs. Otherwise it could end up feeling like we are living our final days in Hitler's bunker for many if us, each day more gloomier than the last.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: BC on March 15, 2020, 04:27:06 AM
Running off isn't really an option.  Just look at all us Americans today packing in the last flights home to stand in line for hours with thousands of others while health officials do their checks in addition to the standard wait time for customs etc. Will only take a small percentage of those folks to infect many others as there will be those that have not been tested and are asymptomatic or still in the incubation period.

We experienced a somewhat similar but different situation here, when the lockdown was announced, many in the north headed home to the south which also helped spread the virus. Trains and planes were packed. Those that did head home were asked to self-report themselves so they could be somewhat tracked and followed up on along with self-containment measures. Tens of thousands did self-report.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: BC on March 15, 2020, 04:43:48 AM
As I was saying....President Trump mentioned in his press conference that 36,000 people die annually on average in the USA with Flu..yet no-one says anything about that.

50 people die of Corona virus and it's a national emergency.

Of course the Trump hating media can't hold him accountable for the Flu..it's been around for yonks...so they're beating him with a stick over this new virus instead and inducing hysteria among the population..suits their agenda.

Same happening over here is happening with the lefty media bashing Boris Johnson..no matter what he does they'll spin it against him.

Any economic crash will have been created by an agenda-driven media who want to make the news rather than just report on it...and gullible public are falling for it.

Chelseaboy,

you like others seem to be hiding behind drawn curtain Nr 3.  We have decades of experience with influenza, we have some decent treatments and immunizations.  Our hospitals regularly test for influenza with a capacity of beds and intensive care facilities that are numbered to deal with a defined range of patients based on past experience.  As seen in Italy, besides having a larger number of doctors and beds per capita, the additional cases can overburden capacity in some areas.  It is yet to be seen whether infections grow as rapidly in other areas and how effective containment has been.

We don't know squat about this Coronavirus, whether or not it can mutate like influenza possibly affecting other portions of the population or whether it becomes more infective or dangerous in the future, whether or not it is seasonal. Nor do we know the real numbers in areas that have not been or do not have the capacity to test a larger portion of the population. 

Considering all the unknowns, is it not prudent to handle and take measures accordingly?  In the US we don't know if 50, 500 or 5000 have died from the virus.  As far as I know the dead are not being tested.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: Chelseaboy on March 15, 2020, 05:23:35 AM
BC,
   
    You're right ...we don't know squat about the Corona virus..just that it seems more lethal to older people.

My point is that it isn't for the equally clueless media and the social media "experts" to try and influence Governments into what they should be doing.

There was an interesting press review on Sky News this weekend where it was admitted that certain people are being deliberately controversial in their damning of our Government's handling of the situation just to get themselves more air-time and clicks .

Really sorry to see what's happening in your country..but good to see the people keeping their spirits up by singing on their balconies.
I couldn't see that happening here..our lot are too busy snagging the last packets of Paracetamol,hand-wash or loo paper in another day of stockpiling to be concerned about keeping their neighbours spirits up.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: Gator on March 15, 2020, 05:43:42 AM

By mid-April, the count projected is 90,000 infections and 360,000 in quarantine that with symptoms since it all began. Total deaths expected to reach more than 3000.


IMO that's splendid news!  I hope it declines as per the "official" projections, which BTW resemble my microbiology lab results from 50+ years ago.   

The epidemic was horrible for the 3000 and their families, yet when viewed for the entirety of Italy, 3000 is insignificant, especially considering we can presume many were already in an advanced  state of health decline.  In comparison, what are the average number of flu deaths in Italy?   

I am certain the social distancing measures were a pain in the ass, yet a necessity to flatten the curve.   
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: GenMish on March 15, 2020, 05:44:15 AM
So far in the USA, its a slow motion shutdown. Anybody like me that can work from home is, I have been instructed not to travel internationally . Sports and entertainment venues are closing in slow motion. Supermarkets around me are well stocked. It looks like restaurants are down a little in business, but nothing drastic so far

I don't want to get into the various speculations about which country or leader is best handling the crisis. But I will give a shout out to the Friday news conference where government and Corporate leaders came together with a plan. Whether their plans work or not, is another story. I applaud VP Pence initiative to bring major competitors into a discussion for the benefit of all Americans

I am still holding to the opinion this will peak in the next few weeks, and by May things will be close to normal
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: fathertime on March 15, 2020, 06:01:22 AM
To add to the level of seriousness here in California, I read this morning that almost all the LA and southern California Casinos have been closed or are closing in the next 24 hours.  Enough industries and cash cows seem to be taking the whole thing seriously to make me think it isn't a hoax.    In addition, I read another article talking in terms of 1-1.5 million deaths in the US from the virus within 18 months.  Perhaps clickbait or rubbish

I have a man coming to my business this morning, he intends on buying out much of my equipment.  He runs a marijuana farm near the Mexico boarder.  Given much of the entertainment is being stripped, I won't be surprised if the 'Marijuana industry' increases greatly.  He has a barracks for his employees.  I don't know if he is factoring in that people may become ill or choose to go to their families.  I suspect most of his employees are recent immigrants, probably illegal. 

Visited my dad last night, didn't really visit actually, The nursing home denied access so we tried to talk through his window.  He is hard of hearing so nothing much was communicated, and ultimately we threw up our hands. 

Fathertime! 
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: Gator on March 15, 2020, 06:13:32 AM
As far as I know the dead are not being tested.

Unlikely for COVID-19.  A COVID-19 test gives a black-white answer, yet history, clinical observations and other tests give a reasonable indication.   

The alarms would go off if the deceased had upper respiratory symptoms yet no specific flu virus was detected.   The concern would be to protect medical staff and family members who had contact with the dying patient. 

I expect the number of undetected COVID-19 deaths is small. 
   
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: BC on March 15, 2020, 06:25:42 AM
In comparison, what are the average number of flu deaths in Italy?   

I am certain the social distancing measures were a pain in the ass, yet a necessity to flatten the curve.   

Gator

From the information I dug up yesterday deaths from influenza itself in the hundreds and from other complications around 7,000 per year.  See my previous post on that.

The containment efforts do seem to be holding up here in the south, for now.  Will take a few more days though to see if it holds.  Social distancing is only one part of overall containment.

As posted above we don't know much about this bug which makes these measures prudent despite deaths relative to other causes.  It is, however, an obviously huge burden on the medical system in critical areas which is the main intent of isolation measures.

There are secondary advantages to containment and restriction of movement as well.  The streets and highways are very quiet, thus less accidents and hospitalizations which frees capacity for the more difficult virus cases.  I would expect even normal cases of the flu will be reduced as well as further reducing demand for critical care beds over time.  Considering the start of the countrywide lockdown and incubation periods of normal flu and Covid, we still have a few days to go..

It's really not about beating this bug at all but instead to ensure those that need care can get it and buy time necessary to understand it better and find good treatments.

Imagine having a bad accident, or heart attack, or stroke, or pneumonia to find that your local hospitals are already overloaded.  Other critical care needs did not go away with the virus and medical personnel are greatly affected.  If these other workloads were not present we wouldn't have a problem with capacity to deal with this new virus.

Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 15, 2020, 06:38:50 AM
Running off isn't really an option.  Just look at all us Americans today packing in the last flights home to stand in line for hours with thousands of others while health officials do their checks in addition to the standard wait time for customs etc. Will only take a small percentage of those folks to infect many others as there will be those that have not been tested and are asymptomatic or still in the incubation period.

We experienced a somewhat similar but different situation here, when the lockdown was announced, many in the north headed home to the south which also helped spread the virus. Trains and planes were packed. Those that did head home were asked to self-report themselves so they could be somewhat tracked and followed up on along with self-containment measures. Tens of thousands did self-report.

I personally reckon the US is in for the same as the rest of us, they are probably at best only a couple of weeks behind the UK. Those Americans could be running into the problem than being in the problem at present. If that graph is anywhere near correct BC staying where you are would at least mean you may be in one of the countries first out if the problem, but I think it will still be a case of being in lockdown for some time to come, maybe over a year or more since those countries coming out of the problem won't want other countries to re-infect the population. I reckon in the end it will be a case of hefty measures in place for flying abroad. At the very least thermal imaging camera's in all airports and at border crossings.

Did you get on a flight to the US, BC?
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: BC on March 15, 2020, 06:40:25 AM

I expect the number of undetected COVID-19 deaths is small. 
   

Expecting and knowing is a world of difference and very important for the decision-makers.  Not all influenza cases are tested either since a  diagnosis of symptoms alone - until now - would likely be considered valid for influenza.  Some of the first cases were discovered because treatment was not working warranting further testing.  When results came back negative for influenza eyebrows got raised.  Since then many, most with symptoms were tested along with recently deceased when possible.  This, of course, would not be feasible where Covid specific testing was not available.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: BC on March 15, 2020, 06:53:39 AM
Did you get on a flight to the US, BC?

And have very high chances of catching it on the way in a packed plane for 10+ hours, then crammed like sardines in the customs hall with thousands of others for several more hours, some who are surely carriers or in the incubation period - just to risk infecting my parents in their 80's with all of us ending up begging to get in the hospital in a week or two??  No way in hell.  We Facetime instead.

Consider the zig-zag line system in the US.. one passes every person in the neighbouring lines on each side multiple times within sneeze cough and spitting distance.


http://youtu.be/11mtMIvAzbc
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 15, 2020, 07:04:42 AM
And have very high chances of catching it on the way in a packed plane for 10+ hours, then crammed like sardines in the customs hall with thousands of others for several more hours, some who are surely carriers or in the incubation period - just to risk infecting my parents in their 80's with all of us ending up begging to get in the hospital in a week or two??  No way in hell.  We Facetime instead.

Consider the zig-zag line system in the US.. one passes every person in the neighbouring line multiple times within sneeze cough and spitting distance.

I don't blame you BC, I think you are best of where you are avoiding all of that, certainly no worse of in most likelihood. I would definitely want at least a decent mask and goggles to brave that and even then I wouldn't fancy it or my chances.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: GQBlues on March 15, 2020, 07:33:11 AM
...Folks in intensive care in the primarily affected areas are increasing 700+ or so now vs 650 a couple of days ago. Although there may be isolated cases where difficult decisions had to be made, it does not seem to be a widespread problem as GQ seemed to insinuate.  Such decisions are made daily even without an epidemic...

LOL. That wasn't an 'insinuation'. Hardly. I gave you an Italian news link, complete with audio testimony from two Italian doctors saying they're overwhelmed and don't have enough respirators and are choosing who gets to live and who gets to die. I asked you to validate if the report is true or fake news, all of the sudden, you don't know how to speak Italian to verify if the audio is legit.

So here's another report from yesterday..
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/coronavirus-italian-doctors-on-how-ireland-can-avoid-disaster-1.4202054

So again, I will ask. Is it true the Italian healthcare system are faced with having to let people die because they are not properly equipped to treat the sick? Lest you once again imply *I am insinuating* such tragic Italian reality, if true.

As for...

Trench, would you kindly stop posting this kinda crap?  It only makes things worse for other dipsticks that read and might believe such crap.  You are only projecting your fears on other gullible folks.  If you are worried about the aerosol spread, wear a mask.

OY!...speaking of 'insinuation'.

  In the US we don't know if 50, 500 or 5000 have died from the virus.  As far as I know the dead are not being tested.

LMAO! Wuhan didn't even reached past 4,000 dead yet, BC. You're really CNN-programed. Still can't get over the 2016 election. Get closure, man. If you do not know, then why practice exactly what you're telling Trenchcoat to refrain from doing?

Anyway, I'm glad the Chinese red cross shipped you folks additional, urgently needed respirators so you guys can avoid havig to 'sacrifice people to save people'.

Pretty funny posts BC. You can't help your anti-American sentiment from showing. I hope you enjoyed your breakfast.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: SANDRO43 on March 15, 2020, 07:35:47 AM
There are secondary advantages to containment and restriction of movement as well.
Home burglaries have declined dramatically, too ;).
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: GQBlues on March 15, 2020, 07:41:30 AM
To add to the level of seriousness here in California, I read this morning that almost all the LA and southern California Casinos have been closed or are closing in the next 24 hours.  Enough industries and cash cows seem to be taking the whole thing seriously to make me think it isn't a hoax.    In addition, I read another article talking in terms of 1-1.5 million deaths in the US from the virus within 18 months.  Perhaps clickbait or rubbish

I have a man coming to my business this morning, he intends on buying out much of my equipment.  He runs a marijuana farm near the Mexico boarder.  Given much of the entertainment is being stripped, I won't be surprised if the 'Marijuana industry' increases greatly.  He has a barracks for his employees.  I don't know if he is factoring in that people may become ill or choose to go to their families.  I suspect most of his employees are recent immigrants, probably illegal. 

Visited my dad last night, didn't really visit actually, The nursing home denied access so we tried to talk through his window.  He is hard of hearing so nothing much was communicated, and ultimately we threw up our hands. 

Fathertime!

Many of the marts, like Walmart, is adjusting their business hours to allow for re-stocking. Walmart is open 24 hours, but have now cut hours so they can have the time not only to re-stock but to clean and disinfect the premise.

Mother nature is probably trying to help California. It's raining down the entire state assuring people to stay inside, notably home. Likely adding to the perception of either compliance or seriousness of the moratoriums. I hope the former.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: BC on March 15, 2020, 07:43:07 AM
Home burglaries have declined dramatically, too ;).

I'm sure of that :)

Good to see you, Sandro.  Hope all is well with you, friends and loved ones.

Please do feel free to correct any information in my posts above. As to local conditions up there you are the authority.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: GQBlues on March 15, 2020, 07:50:56 AM
Unlikely for COVID-19.  A COVID-19 test gives a black-white answer, yet history, clinical observations and other tests give a reasonable indication.   

The alarms would go off if the deceased had upper respiratory symptoms yet no specific flu virus was detected.   The concern would be to protect medical staff and family members who had contact with the dying patient. 

I expect the number of undetected COVID-19 deaths is small. 
   

Completely agree. Although it's an inconvenient for some as it doesn't fit their narrative.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: BillyB on March 15, 2020, 08:14:44 AM
As I was saying....President Trump mentioned in his press conference that 36,000 people die annually on average in the USA with Flu..yet no-one says anything about that.

50 people die of Corona virus and it's a national emergency.

Of course the Trump hating media can't hold him accountable for the Flu..it's been around for yonks...so they're beating him with a stick over this new virus instead and inducing hysteria among the population..suits their agenda.

Same happening over here is happening with the lefty media bashing Boris Johnson..no matter what he does they'll spin it against him.

Any economic crash will have been created by an agenda-driven media who want to make the news rather than just report on it...and gullible public are falling for it.

What is going on in China and Europe has nothing to do with Trump being at fault. Smart voters know this. Trump is not claiming this is a hoax. He declared it a national emergency with only a few dozen Americans dead. The governments aren't telling the public how dangerous this virus is. The media doesn't even have enough info to know how dangerous this virus is and report that info to us and they are even writing articles of hope that a vaccine will soon be found. Fake News. My wife's cousin, who teaches in a college in Germany, said German's are close to finding a vaccine. My wife is mad at me because she says her cousin talks to really smart people. I think my wife has hope. I deal in reality. I gave my wife a challenge to search the internet for a vaccine or anti viral medicine for a coronavirus.

Politicians who are still finger pointing should be the ones voted out. This is a time they need to come together to save their citizens lives and I'm starting to see that in America.


We don't know squat about this Coronavirus, whether or not it can mutate like influenza possibly affecting other portions of the population or whether it becomes more infective or dangerous in the future, whether or not it is seasonal. Nor do we know the real numbers in areas that have not been or do not have the capacity to test a larger portion of the population. 


We know enough about this virus to take the steps we see today. There is no and most likely will  be no cure or treatment based on past attempts on coronavirus's. There are two strains of COVID-19 floating around in a matter of months. The belief a person can get this once, build an immunity and never get it again significantly diminishes. If this virus keeps mutating, the test kits we have now may not work on a future virus.

While adults get 2-3 colds a year, children get 6-10 colds a year. Probably why schools are the first to close although kids have a low chance of dying. COVID-19 is a relative of the cold virus.

I hope Italy succeeds in their nationwide lockdown but I believe this is only the first one. Unless your neighbors and the rest of the world synchronize lockdowns and participate in a group effort, the virus may enter Italy again under a new strain that fools test kits and doctors. North Korea still reports zero infections. It's nations like those that refuse to participate and probably doesn't have the adequate testing equipment to find the infected that'll prolong the fight against the virus. Hopefully China has enough test kits for N Korea. It's hard enough to create test kits for 1.4 billion people. It's hard for any nation to create enough test kits for their population and it's why they recommend self isolation so we can burn the virus out of our bodies with our own immune system without infecting more people at the same time and overloading the medical community.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 15, 2020, 08:28:03 AM
In the UK it has been announced that within a few weeks the elderly over 70 years old will be told to self isolate:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51895873

It also looks that the government is not now going to close Schools but instead keep them open:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-51835486


I think that both measures are the correct course of action to take. As is said in the reports closing schools would mean key workers having to stay at home. Worse than that is that many more workers would have to stay at home and the economy would start to buckle under the strain. Workers without children can't be expected nor forced to do more work to make up the labour shortfall that would cause if that is even possible. Children here are supposedly in general least at risk so it makes sense for them not to be the cause of greater chaos. If anything perhaps it would be best to keep them at school over Easter, half terms and the summer holidays also ;D
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: Gator on March 15, 2020, 08:46:16 AM
Expecting and knowing is a world of difference and very important for the decision-makers. 

We are somewhere along the information continuum that extends from zero to complete information.
Yet making decisions on imperfect information is what we do, assessing reality and reacting pragmatically. 

We are behind Italy in testing.  Thus,  it is possible that more testing would show US has more COIVID-19 deaths than Italy.   Or is the difference in reported deaths a result of different practices between the two nations (e. g., in January the US controlled travelers from China)?     

We will always have blind spots. 

     -  How much testing and study would be necessary to determine the significance of contagious yet asymptomatic carriers?  If significant, what would we do?   

     -  Is the spreading broadly and randomly based or more a focused result of COVID-19 equivalents of "Typhoid Mary."

     -  Is the difference in individual susceptibility a random event, or do some people have a more protective immune system (they have shields a la  Starship Enterprise)? 

     -  To quote you, "We don't know squat about this Coronavirus, whether or not it can mutate like influenza possibly affecting other portions of the population or whether it becomes more infective or dangerous in the future, whether or not it is seasonal."

IMO, our governments are doing what is practical; however, the degree of hysterics among our citizens is unwarranted.         
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: BC on March 15, 2020, 08:47:07 AM
LOL. That wasn't an 'insinuation'. Hardly. I gave you an Italian news link, complete with audio testimony from two Italian doctors saying they're overwhelmed and don't have enough respirators and are choosing who gets to live and who gets to die. I asked you to validate if the report is true or fake news, all of the sudden, you don't know how to speak Italian to verify if the audio is legit.

So here's another report from yesterday..
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/coronavirus-italian-doctors-on-how-ireland-can-avoid-disaster-1.4202054

So again, I will ask. Is it true the Italian healthcare system are faced with having to let people die because they are not properly equipped to treat the sick? Lest you once again imply *I am insinuating* such tragic Italian reality, if true.

I didn't say I don't know how to speak, read or write Italian, only that I would hate to get something wrong in translation and deferred to Sandro if he wanted to chip in with his authoritative linguistic expertise.

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As for...

OY!...speaking of 'insinuation'.

LMAO! Wuhan didn't even reached past 4,000 dead yet, BC. You're really CNN-programed. Still can't get over the 2016 election. Get closure, man. If you do not know, then why practice exactly what you're telling Trenchcoat to refrain from doing?

4,000 is well within the 22,000 to 55,000 range of estimates of flu deaths since October.
http://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/preliminary-in-season-estimates.htm

Without testing nobody knows.

You seem to be the only one that has mentioned elections.

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Anyway, I'm glad the Chinese red cross shipped you folks additional, urgently needed respirators so you guys can avoid havig to 'sacrifice people to save people'.

Pretty funny posts BC. You can't help your anti-American sentiment from showing. I hope you enjoyed your breakfast.

Yes, it was very considerate and generous of China to help out.  They assisted Iran as well.
http://www.chinadailyhk.com/article/122782

From the article : The coronavirus disease is enemy of all, Hua said. “We must fight together".

You are of course entitled to your opinion, or is it 'entitled opinion'?  buh.. your problem, not mine.  I encouraged Sandro to correct anything I posted above. Feel free to ask him directly if you want about the 'sacrifice' scenario or anything else for that matter.  He is at the front.

And yes, we did enjoy brunch together.

Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: Gator on March 15, 2020, 08:59:53 AM
Home burglaries have declined dramatically, too ;).


In the not-too-old days, homes with smallpox infections had warnings posted on the door.  A few Southern plantations were saved from pillaging Yankee soldiers by nailing a fake "smallpox" sign on the door. 

(http://ids.si.edu/ids/deliveryService?max_w=800&id=NMAH-AHB2014q091712)

 
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: GQBlues on March 15, 2020, 09:08:38 AM
I didn't say I don't know how to speak, read or write Italian, only that I would hate to get something wrong in translation and deferred to Sandro...

Then tell us what *you* believe it was. I’m sure you’re at least MORE than capable of understanding basic Italian. Heck if not that, verify the ‘written report’ since it’s written in English. It won’t matter where in Italy you are, after all you seem to believe you’re capable of *knowing every details* in the US despite being thousands of miles away from it.

Why not just verify whether this is true or fake news so *I* won’t be accused of insinuating anything. Yes or No.

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And yes, we did enjoy brunch together.

Awesome.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: BC on March 15, 2020, 09:08:43 AM
We are somewhere along the information continuum that extends from zero to complete information.
Yet making decisions on imperfect information is what we do, assessing reality and reacting pragmatically. 

We are behind Italy in testing.  Thus,  it is possible that more testing would show US has more COIVID-19 deaths than Italy.   Or is the difference in reported deaths a result of different practices between the two nations (e. g., in January the US controlled travelers from China)?   

The virus is obviously present in the US, so it's more a matter of where in the timeline we are (referring to the US).  A graph of US projections is likely not possible based on the small amount of testing thus far.   


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We will always have blind spots.

Indeed.  There is a CDC playbook.  Has leadership been following it?

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     -  How much testing and study would be necessary to determine the significance of contagious yet asymptomatic carriers?  If significant, what would we do?   

That will likely take time, so best to expect and prepare for the worst or?  It is how our military works (which btw is also on locked down in place with all planned unit movements and relocations cancelled)

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     -  Is the spreading broadly and randomly based or more a focused result of COVID-19 equivalents of "Typhoid Mary."

Maybe, maybe not.  Again prudence advised until we know more.

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     -  Is the difference in individual susceptibility a random event, or do some people have a more protective immune system (they have shields a la  Starship Enterprise)? 

From experience and the numbers show so far, mostly the aged, with other health and immunity issues.  Seems though no one has a 'shield' as other ages are affected as well, but not to the same extent... thus far.  It is still too early for many details.

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     -  To quote you, "We don't know squat about this Coronavirus, whether or not it can mutate like influenza possibly affecting other portions of the population or whether it becomes more infective or dangerous in the future, whether or not it is seasonal."

IMO, our governments are doing what is practical; however, the degree of hysterics among our citizens is unwarranted.       

For folks like Trench and Krimster I tend to agree with you.  I'm not noting too awful much hysteria among those we know around here.  How is it in your community?
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: BC on March 15, 2020, 09:14:19 AM
Then tell us what *you* believe it was. I’m sure you’re at least MORE than capable of understanding basic Italian. Heck if not that, verify the ‘written report’. It won’t matter where in Italy you are, after all you seem to believe you’re capable of *knowing every details* in the US despite being thousands of miles away from it.

Why not just verify whether this is true or fake news so *I* won’t be accused of insinuating anything. Yes or No.

I posted what I thought I heard in my previous post.  From all the reporting I have seen, I can't exclude such scenarios having occurred in isolated cases, but not as a general rule like 'don't put folks over 60 on respirators.  Sandro may know more.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: GQBlues on March 15, 2020, 09:18:27 AM
...
I hope Italy succeeds in their nationwide lockdown but I believe this is only the first one. Unless your neighbors and the rest of the world synchronize lockdowns and participate in a group effort, the virus may enter Italy again under a new strain that fools test kits and doctors. North Korea still reports zero infections. It's nations like those that refuse to participate and probably doesn't have the adequate testing equipment to find the infected that'll prolong the fight against the virus. Hopefully China has enough test kits for N Korea. It's hard enough to create test kits for 1.4 billion people. It's hard for any nation to create enough test kits for their population and it's why they recommend self isolation so we can burn the virus out of our bodies with our own immune system without infecting more people at the same time and overloading the medical community.

In the meantime, China is confident enough they’ve controlled the virus and had closed the last temporary coronavirus hospital.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/coronavirus-wuhan-masks-video-doctors-nurses-hospital-a9402631.html?amp
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: GQBlues on March 15, 2020, 09:32:15 AM
News from LA. It’s nuts why people do this.
It apparently came from the UK. (http://www.yahoo.com/gma/fake-coronavirus-test-kits-seized-los-angeles-airport-213958726--abc-news-topstories.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly9yLnNlYXJjaC55YWhvby5jb20vX3lsdD1Bd3I5SDZyRVYyNWVUUVVBVTRWeC45dzQ7X3lsdT1YM29ETVRCeU5XVTRjR2gxQkdOdmJHOERaM0V4QkhCdmN3TXhCSFowYVdRREJITmxZd056WXctLS9SVj0yL1JFPTE1ODQzMTg1MzMvUk89MTAvUlU9aHR0cHMlM2ElMmYlMmZ3d3cueWFob28uY29tJTJmZ21hJTJmZmFrZS1jb3JvbmF2aXJ1cy10ZXN0LWtpdHMtc2VpemVkLWxvcy1hbmdlbGVzLWFpcnBvcnQtMjEzOTU4NzI2LS1hYmMtbmV3cy10b3BzdG9yaWVzLmh0bWwvUks9Mi9SUz1qLnMzMERmNk8yeXZraTgzOENMZEdqVDZnOFUt&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAFyKfFe_RnCjO1RFG5YKPrB1vrO8856pObN1RQ_9Udnvoow-gM-K038vx3wVD9SuDOlX0adqJfyArKGZi2GrdRamzrLJPyOATKej1hjU2n53sU-07wBNv__YvkrvVvBQeUyvQawycOsjqRHigwSmbah0vhLJTAKPtvao_rixmA5W)

Bummer that Mammoth is closing during a time of great coverage and was a very promising epic spring skiing season.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: BC on March 15, 2020, 09:43:53 AM
GQ,

Some bad intentioned folks in Italy were going door to door announcing they are from the dept of civil defence and doing door to door tests - just to gain entry and try and rob folks.  Went viral on official and social media so now everyone knows about it an call the police right away if they see something similar.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: Gator on March 15, 2020, 09:54:09 AM
From experience and the numbers show so far, mostly the aged, with other health and immunity issues.  Seems though no one has a 'shield' as other ages are affected as well, but not to the same extent... thus far.  It is still too early for many details.

I am talking about two opportunities where susceptibility is a factor. 

        1.  First is the actual exposure to the virus.  Some people exposed will not become infected because:   a)  their mucous membrane, etc.  stop it,  or b)  the transport pathway to susceptible targets within the body, e. g., lungs, is intercepted,  or c)  infection is random and dependent upon the actual number of COVID-19 viral agents inhaled/ingested, or d) more likely something else, or e) a combination of many factors?   
                       
         2.  Second is  the body's reaction to COVID-19 viral agents that have reached host cells of vital organs.   The immune response in some/many people eliminate it.  Ironically, the serious cases are ones where the body's autoimmune response goes unchecked, and the patient dies especially when added to an existing medical condition.

http://www.the-scientist.com/news-opinion/why-some-covid-19-cases-are-worse-than-others-67160

Aristotle:  “The more you know, the more you realize you don't know.”



(http://onlinepethealth-info.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/Dunning-Kruger.jpg)

   
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: BillyB on March 15, 2020, 10:15:09 AM
The virus is obviously present in the US, so it's more a matter of where in the timeline we are (referring to the US).  A graph of US projections is likely not possible based on the small amount of testing thus far.   


America is going to be fine compared to Europe. After all said and done, I hope you give Trump credit for swift and racist correct action banning travel from China. 

Although America is behind Italy in testing, we have an idea where this is going and our curve isn't going to be as bad as European nations. I watch the video GQ posted with Trump and Co speaking. 98-99% of all people tested are coming back negative. My county is worst hit in America and we have priority in test kits over small towns USA. Tests are available for anybody. With a low percentage coming back positive, it means we had very few people walking around infecting others.

I went shopping this early Sunday morning when there was no lines. No toilet paper on the shelves and people were buying paper towels instead. I hope they have a plunger at home. I read a report some homeless guy escaped from quarantine. I don't know why he didn't like a roof over his head, three meals a day, and a warm room. Probably escaped because he needed drugs. There will be idiots like him that doesn't take the virus seriously. I don't watch right wing news but it sounds like some are reporting it's a hoax or the virus is no big deal. Some people won't take it seriously and try to prove it by touching things or licking poles to make a point.

Currently 1 out of every 2859 people in Italy is infected.

Switzerland numbers skyrocketed and 1 out of every 3866 people are infected which is a much higher ratio than Spain who's getting locked down. I see lock down in Swiss's future. 68.000 people travel between Italy and Switzerland everyday for work. It's best Switzerland and everybody else time their lock downs together. Some nations don't want to lock down because it will hurt their economy but nations staggering lock downs may hurt the economy even more in the long run.

http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/covid-19_what-do-the-restrictions-in-italy-mean-for-switzerland-/45605968

Guys, this battle against COVID-19 isn't going to be over in a few months. This is phase 1 where we slow down the spread. After that, we need  to get rid of it from every human body since a vaccine is unlikely to be found. This could be a two year process with more hardships to follow. In April 2009 H1N1 Swine Flu showed up. Months later, in September 2009, a vaccine was found. Swine Flu continued to kill in a 2015 outbreak in India so you get the picture it could take years to beat COVID-19. COVID-19 is much deadlier than H1N1 and expect no cure or treatment. I hope our governments have enough money to win this fight. If our governments break down, society breaks down.

Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 15, 2020, 10:38:53 AM
Home burglaries have declined dramatically, too ;).

That could rapidly change to the opposite it people start to run out of food.

I think a big problem Italy could have ahead of itself (and France, Spain & Germany too) is economic catastrophe at the end of all of this, should we hopefully get to the end of all of this. The state can only support the population & businesses for so long before it goes bust. Even before that every day it is supporting the population & business it is doing more damage to its treasurt. Italy was already in a fairly weak economic state before this crisis hit, I can't see it being in any sort of shape after it. There is a good chance Italy will fall apart.

Thankfully the UK has left the EU so we won't have to put up with their dealings in all of this.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: Boethius on March 15, 2020, 10:50:56 AM
As I was saying....President Trump mentioned in his press conference that 36,000 people die annually on average in the USA with Flu..yet no-one says anything about that.

50 people die of Corona virus and it's a national emergency.

Of course the Trump hating media can't hold him accountable for the Flu..it's been around for yonks...so they're beating him with a stick over this new virus instead and inducing hysteria among the population..suits their agenda.

Same happening over here is happening with the lefty media bashing Boris Johnson..no matter what he does they'll spin it against him.

Any economic crash will have been created by an agenda-driven media who want to make the news rather than just report on it...and gullible public are falling for it.

As BC noted, influenza has been around a long time, medical professionals know a lot about it, and how to treat it.  That's one of the reasons that every year, they tell people to get a vaccination, particularly those with compromised immune systems.  They also know the peak season for flu.  Health officials can predict mortality rates for influenza, and hospitalization rates, as they're fairly consistent.  By now, for example, health officials know that influenza has peaked for the year.  The death rate for influenza is 0.1%, and that's consistent over years.

Also as BC noted, other than knowing that based on China's experience, the death rate for COVID-19 is around 2.3%, very little is known about COVID-19. That's the difference.

I don't think the media is doing anything more than reporting.  Health officials have suggested staying home, washing hands, shutting down large public gatherings.  It's not the media doing this.

On a separate note, I was at Costco yesterday afternoon, around 2:30.  I wouldn't have bothered going there, but we were out of lettuce, and Costco sells a great lettuce mix that no one else does.  There were no lineups, which is unusual for a Saturday afternoon.  Also, rare for Costco, few product sales, other than flavoured yogurt.  There was absolutely no raw chicken of any kind, and they were down to about 4 packs of pork tenderloin, but I wasn't looking for either chicken or pork.  They also had no toilet paper or paper towels, neither of which I was looking for either (passed by as I got a box of San Pellegrino).  Produce was plentiful.

Our son ran out of hand soap, and both supermarkets were completely out of hand soap, which suggests to me that people don't normally wash their hands. :o I did manage to find a bottle at the drugstore, which had about 15 bottles left.

This post was composed without the aid of google.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: GQBlues on March 15, 2020, 11:04:06 AM
I am talking about two opportunities where susceptibility is a factor. 

        1.  First is the actual exposure to the virus.  Some people exposed will not become infected because:   a)  their mucous membrane, etc.  stop it, or b)  the transport pathway to susceptible targets within the body, e. g., lungs, is intercepted,  or c)  infection is random and dependent upon the actual number of COVID-19 viral agents inhaled/ingested, or d) more likely something else, or e) a combination of many factors?

Hence, I would hazard a guess that this is principally the reason why the younger folks are asymptomatic, or at worst, suffer only 'mild' symptoms. The air pathways still harness rather robust and/or healthy cilia able to discharge impurities, either bacterial or viral before it overwhelms the lungs. In the case of those who gets the virus, again, guessing that the likelihood the same mechanism is compromised due (likely) from such habit like smoking. Asians and Europeans are still far more notorious with their love affair with cigarettes. The younger set in the US developed a fascination for vaping, thus hopeful the lockdowns would help in this regard.

Either way, it doesn't make the younger ones completely immune to the disease. Void of safe practice, absence of care could be just as dangerous for other people outside of themselves.

BTW - All elective surgeries are being cancelled statewide to conform to SG's recommendation from yesterday's presser. For our SoCal members. maps of locations for testing will soon be up, but if you have the symptoms there are a few places available to call. For example, Sherman Oaks urgent care are testing onsite by appointment only. In some instances, they would even come to your home. UCLA, I believe, are establishing, or have established, satellite locations in various places where you can get tested. Same is true for UC schools. This is to prevent flooding hospitals and emergency clinics.

If you have the symptoms, DO NOT show up at your nearest hospitals or emergency clinics. Call first and have them instruct you what to do, or if these particular facility have a website - read their protocol.

All testing is 'free' whether or not you have insurance. All copays are waived. This is a federal mandate, so don't be fooled.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: BillyB on March 15, 2020, 11:17:18 AM

I have read articles saying viruses don't always reach the lungs. Probably why we get colds and don't even notice it and other times it'll put us down for a week. While some people got COVID-19 this time, they may not notice it. The next time they catch it, it may hospitalize them. Younger, healthier immune systems are more likely to stop the viruses early before it infects the lungs.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: BC on March 15, 2020, 11:18:41 AM
Hence, I would hazard a guess

LOL I like that :)

Not criticizing you at all, just noting the interesting word usage that seems to fit the times.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: BC on March 15, 2020, 11:19:59 AM

http://www.the-scientist.com/news-opinion/why-some-covid-19-cases-are-worse-than-others-67160
 

Gator,

thanks for the link, interesting read.

For the 'aside' as well :)
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: BC on March 15, 2020, 11:31:05 AM
They also had no toilet paper or paper towels, neither of which I was looking for either (passed by as I got a box of San Pellegrino).
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: GQBlues on March 15, 2020, 11:46:48 AM
That could rapidly change to the opposite it people start to run out of food.

I think a big problem Italy could have ahead of itself (and France, Spain & Germany too) is economic catastrophe at the end of all of this, should we hopefully get to the end of all of this. The state can only support the population & businesses for so long before it goes bust. Even before that every day it is supporting the population & business it is doing more damage to its treasurt. Italy was already in a fairly weak economic state before this crisis hit, I can't see it being in any sort of shape after it. There is a good chance Italy will fall apart.

Thankfully the UK has left the EU so we won't have to put up with their dealings in all of this.

No country is spared of economic repercussion of this problem. Public health takes front and center ahead of economics in this regard. How severe the curve is or will be, will ultimately determine financial impact for each country.

So far, at least at this time, the US's economy was in great shape before getting hit with this. But our 2nd quarter GDP still stands to get some serious spanking with this problem. The only hope is that it doesn't go under the negative territory. Don't believe for a minute the UK will somehow magically rise above this all.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: SANDRO43 on March 15, 2020, 11:59:31 AM
Hope all is well with you, friends and loved ones.
I am doing alright, considering, except that this situation is a royal PITA :(.
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Please do feel free to correct any information in my posts above. As to local conditions up there you are the authority.
Thanks but I'll pass,  I am fed up with these endless debates :-X.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: BillyB on March 15, 2020, 12:05:48 PM
Hilarious BC, glad you can find some things out there that will put a smile on your face.

3 days ago an Italian nurse's photo and story went viral(no pun intended) all over the world. Do you or Sandro know how she's doing now?

http://www.instagram.com/alessiabonari_/?utm_source=ig_embed

http://www.msn.com/en-us/health/health-news/an-italian-coronavirus-nurse-posted-a-picture-of-her-face-bruised-from-wearing-a-mask-to-highlight-how-much-health-workers-are-struggling/ar-BB115QWS?ocid=spartanntp
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: BillyB on March 15, 2020, 12:36:57 PM

http://www.the-scientist.com/news-opinion/why-some-covid-19-cases-are-worse-than-others-67160


It was a good read and in line with some of the stuff I read about coronavirus behavior in January. The article is 3 weeks old and said mortality rate is 2.3% but the estimates for mortality rate has gone up since then.

One thing I read in the article that stood out was:

There are seven coronaviruses known to infect people. Four of them—229E, NL63, OC43, and HKU1—typically cause a cold and only rarely result in death. The other three—MERS-CoV, SARS-CoV, and the new SARS-CoV-2—have varying degrees of lethality. In the 2003 SARS outbreak, 10 percent of infected people died. Between 2012 and 2019, MERS killed 23 percent of infected people. Although the case fatality rate of COVID-19 is lower, the virus has already killed more people than the other two outbreaks combined, which some have attributed to the pathogen’s fast transmission. 

Although this coronavirus is less lethal, it has killed more people than the last two combined. Go figure. I still think the mortality rates are underestimated for COVID-19. This virus been out a few months while the other two lasted years and this virus already killed more people.

The rest of the World has officially passed China in infections and deaths.

China has 80,849 infections, 3199 deaths and 66,931 recoveries

World minus China has 86,910 infections, 3286 deaths, and 9667 recoveries.

Some politicians such as President Moon of S Korea is taking a lot of heat from citizens for not taking action against China sooner. S Korea's reporting has changed from last week which is suspicious. Some governments may not be giving out too much bad news in fear politicians will lose their jobs. N Korea on the other hand has been doing an excellent job. Supreme Leader Kim Jong Un has reported zero infections in his nation. I wish we had a leader like him to protect our nation.
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: 2tallbill on March 15, 2020, 01:50:23 PM
If anyone would like to see official results here is a link to
the John Hopkins Corona virus resource center
http://coronavirus.jhu.edu/

The interactive map
http://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html

Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: BillyB on March 15, 2020, 01:59:50 PM
If anyone would like to see official results here is a link to
the John Hopkins Corona virus resource center
http://coronavirus.jhu.edu/

The interactive map
http://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html

John Hopkins is a great source but link below is hours ahead of John Hopkins in reporting. They also give data such as cases per million population, active cases and critical cases. Many Euro nations have much higher case per million that China does. Another sign China was under reporting because they allowed their people to travel and gather in large groups in January during new years celebrations. They put their people at risk knowing this virus was out since December.

http://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
Title: Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 15, 2020, 03:16:16 PM
I reckon it's probably a hard one to judge of how many cases they actually are and then work out the mortality rate. Many mild cases don't get reported. In the UK at present the advice is unless you have symptoms serious enough to to phone up 111 (unless for sick note reasons) then just self isolate at home for at least 7 days until symptoms go or they get worse and you need hospital treatment.

So really the only solid stats are the deaths & recoveries of patients with severe cases of the virus. It would indeed be heartening to know that not all people that get the Caronavirus ar