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Title: Japtats Trip report
Post by: japtats on October 12, 2020, 03:21:07 PM
I guess i will make my own trip report. So a bit about myself, entered digital nomad scene before Coronavirus, i been to FSU many times prior , engaged once. I am not serious about finding a life partner, but do state it in my opening messages, and profile, just by the off chance i meet someone special (Ex fiancť was an off chance experience).

I now travel between FSU, my brother will join me in a month, i may go to south America, depends on the internet connection.

Type of woman i want
Someone who takes care of herself physically, the family, has compassion for others, somewhat spiritual, can understand my goals in life , and support them. I don't mind if they do not work, their financial contribution isn't something i am interested. I just don't wait to be 40-50 overweight, and my wife is also overweight.

Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: Confederate on October 12, 2020, 08:18:39 PM
Was that an actual trip report or a profile?
Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: japtats on October 13, 2020, 03:56:11 AM
Profile, my past experiences is way too much to write about. i been here for now over 7 months. I will keep it to daily logs etc

At the moment i am struggling finding time to meetup with women, i told women i am free after 9pm, which puts a lot off me. I am willing to maybe compromise on timing if i find someone of value, but most of the women i came across are not really doing it for me. I am in a transition period of my life, where i am trying to work on myself (tattoos), my business , i been off gym for nearly 3 months now, got a bit fat, i had to take time off to get my tattoos done, which has been really hard, my ex did my tattoos initially, then she was hospitalised, ruptured ovaries, which i paid for, then we split,I covered all the medical bills for the operation on the basis we finished the tattoos , I paid 50% as they were scared I would run and I didn't want them to worry. she continued doing my tattoos, but it was hard to work with her, she was young, late, and angry with me for the break up.

I found a new person, only difference, is my ex used to do my tattoos for me at 9pm, at my place (i bought a bench ,inks etc), i ended paying my ex a lot of money, but in the end the new artist is better, more professional, and better work, we are redoing some of the tattoos, she didn't do a bad job, but it can all by improved.

I am trying to maintain everything, but it is a bit tricky. Few days ago i met a woman, who ended up being crazy, she had a bad prior relationship, the new women like i said, are angry that i am only free after 9pm, i do not even put effort in talking to them, as i don't see much of a future with them. But you never know in life, something always creeps around the corner, and you find a soul mate, so i am just taking my time, and trying to just do what i can now.

Thoughts of my ex fiance keep creeping up, my ex fiances mum and i still talk, she wants us back together,, but i cannot look at my ex fiance same way as i did before. I am hoping in time when i improve i will meet someone that ticked the boxes she did, but it is hard. Right now i am going through a peaceful state, a lot is happening, a lot of work i need to do.
Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: japtats on October 13, 2020, 02:21:07 PM
Got talking to someone i matched with on tinder today, we had a phone call and later video  video chatted after work, she lives in a different city, but is contemplating coming, she is worried about Coronavirus and closing borders. She liked my energy for life etc, so i will see what comes with it. But my motivation for dating is pretty low, i just want to get my tattoos done, return to the gym, and feel empowered again. Tomorrow i got my tattoo session (roughly 3 sessions a week, next month will be 2 sessions a week). The work is looking crazy good, i can't wait till it is all done.
Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: Trenchcoat on October 13, 2020, 03:06:41 PM
I am in a transition period of my life, where i am trying to work on myself (tattoos), my business , i been off gym for nearly 3 months now, got a bit fat, i had to take time off to get my tattoos done, which has been really hard, my ex did my tattoos initially, then she was hospitalised,

Careful Japs you're starting to sound like you're making excuses like me ;D

I talked to a guy a while back, he was into tattoos and had a fair few done. Apparently got his first few for free from a girl who was training up at college. At the time he thought they looked good but over time as he learnt more about tattoos and visited the pros he became aware that they were full of errors. Can't quite remember what he showed me and when pointed out you could see it but otherwise the tattoo looked fine to the everyday eye, think it was wavyness of lines, finess of line, the odd imperfection etc. Anyway he reckoned it was far better to spend the money and get a pro to do them, well worth the expensive cost of the best to get an excellent job done. So time over again it's what he would have done from the get go.
Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: japtats on October 13, 2020, 03:26:59 PM
I had some tattoos done in Russia, great work, i had people walk up to me in the gym and ask me where i got them, every tattoo artist since has praised the guys work. But sadly he is in Russia. I let me ex do some, she is great at line work, the new guy i am with said her work was good, just needed some small corrections, nothing bad. Reason i went with her was because she did it out of hours, so i could maintain my business, whilst getting tattoos. i ended up paying more to her, than what it was worth, i still paid hourly rates etc. i was happy to fund her business, but she really hated my guts because the breakup stung her.

It is not excuses, i cannot do anything to change my situation, i am doing all i can. I had people tell me i need to slow down (brother, ex's mother, clients), i am pushing myself to my limits in all areas in life. But i really like to see how far i can go, it is that passion that lights a spark in women's eyes when i talk to them, they like that i have passions , not financial, but life in general. I pursued my business not for money, but to help people, and still i continue working crazy hours for that reason, i could switch to some other way, but wouldn't help as many people, would mean extra money, but i know money comes when you stop chasing it.

I am at peace with the amount of money i have, i make enough to be financially free, and care for women around me. I can't afford luxury cars, etc, but i have enough to not worry about money, nor do the people i am with need to worry, that is the main thing.
Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: BillyB on October 13, 2020, 06:17:56 PM



Thanks for sharing your story. With the pandemic going on, not too many people have stories to tell. When I visited my wife for the first time in 2010, her mom asked if I had any tattoos. I said "no". Later she revealed if I did have tattoos, she'd tell her daughter to break up with me.
Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: japtats on October 14, 2020, 01:25:41 AM
The mothers loved me , they realise the crazy stuff I do , is what makes me unique . I like taking risks and doing things in an untraditional way , something I don't want to lose.
Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: msmob on October 14, 2020, 01:44:06 AM
The mothers loved me

As a younger man, I often discovered that the Mum's loving me, was the 'kiss of death' ..  The 'target' of my affections had to feel the same ;)
Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: japtats on October 14, 2020, 08:01:32 AM
(http://i.ibb.co/Qjk7w59/moby.png) (http://ibb.co/k6JVCdK)

Well , women tend to enjoy being around me, have no issues with me wanting to stay in FSU (if they are highly educated, i wouldn't mind moving back to the west). The issue i have is giving them emotions, nobody has given me the spark where i am into them.It might be due to my ex fiance raising the standards so high, that is is hard for anyone to compete, she gold Gold medals for her studies, looks like a model, gym multiple times a week, Top university to studying to be a Dr in Moscow. Women like that are hard to come by for the current me. I am hopeful in time as i develop , i will bump into someone who will give me a spark i need for me to reciprocate my emotions
Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: ML on October 14, 2020, 08:36:10 AM
With your sickness (you need some serious help) regarding need for tatoos . . .

you will have a snowballs chance in hell of meeting good women.
Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: japtats on October 14, 2020, 08:49:26 AM
With your sickness (you need some serious help) regarding need for tatoos . . .

you will have a snowballs chance in hell of meeting good women.


Hahaha , maybe , some of the women I attract are good in some respects , but yet , most 'straight edge' women are put off me , that is true .
Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: Confederate on October 14, 2020, 10:29:34 AM
Trench there's a lesson here for you.

Just be yourself. Stop trying to be Trench Schwarzenegger. You don't have the genetics or dedication.

The OP knows there are fewer FSUW interested in a guy with tattoos, but he's dedicated to being himself.
Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: 2tallbill on October 14, 2020, 11:32:19 AM
As a younger man, I often discovered that the Mum's loving me, was the 'kiss of death' ..  The 'target' of my affections had to feel the same ;)

A thousand years ago when I was a teenager, it was the Dad that I tried to
win over. Teenage girls with few exceptions fight with their Mothers and adore
their fathers. In their mid twenties and older the girls and their mothers tend
to have figured out their differences and you have to win them over.

Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: msmob on October 14, 2020, 01:39:45 PM
Teenage girls with few exceptions fight with their Mothers and adore
their fathers.

Sorry, in MY experience, it's been the other way around )
Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: 2tallbill on October 14, 2020, 02:41:23 PM
Sorry, in MY experience, it's been the other way around )

You don't have to apologize, _________________ (enter about Moby joke here).

Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: Trenchcoat on October 14, 2020, 04:14:59 PM
Trench there's a lesson here for you.

Just be yourself. Stop trying to be Trench Schwarzenegger. You don't have the genetics or dedication.

The OP knows there are fewer FSUW interested in a guy with tattoos, but he's dedicated to being himself.

Japs is lucky in being able to be out there all the time. So he can spend the time firing away trying to find the right one. That's when he is not working almost around the clock. I don't know Japs, perhaps he is an attractive looking guy who can get the girls come up quick. Being out there at this time is a huge advantage in that there will be way, way less foreign competition particularly now that they have stopped foreigners coming into the country for the time being. Girls will want even more to meet with a WM in person than endlessly message and video chat online.

Set against that is the risk Japs is taking in being out there. Maybe he has a fair amount of natural immunity to the virus, who knows. If not the risk is that he is might end up in an overcrowded hospital with few drugs or doctors around and little care. If he is lucky his insurance and digging into his own pocket might get him a better level of care than most Ukrainians and he might pull through. If he gets lost in the sea of patients he may not fare that well not least to say be surrounded by sick people in probably squalid conditions.

Hopefully he will be lucky enough to avoid all of that but it's a high price to pay if his luck does not stay good. I think his work oriented nature may also help Jap appeal to Ukrainian women, they seem to like that out that way. If a FSW can get a guy who will accept doing long hours and live to work then they know they will have the money rolling in. That means they will be comfortably off. For FSW men like that are a big positive, even if they are not much into the guy it won't matter as they won't see him much. Out that way women can be less idealised and more about the practicalities.

I'm not saying that they are all what Jap is getting up but he probably gets seen as having a fair bit going for him by FSW and that is important. Scoring well in the right places can help out that way.
Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: japtats on October 14, 2020, 04:45:48 PM
I got this message today (taking time out to do tattoos)

(http://i.ibb.co/8gKpSjk/ll.png) (http://imgbb.com/)


It is not luck that got me here, it is just being crazy enough to work 80 - 100 hours a week for little money (few hundred bucks per month for first few months). I have passion which is what blows the women i date, and why their parents love me. My mentality is not about chasing money, but doing the best i can in whatever i am passionate about

I got this message earlier today
(http://i.ibb.co/prjQ5T1/lol.jpg) (http://ibb.co/Fq4XC1h)

There is only few people like myself, who can tick several boxes. i am not looking to be like everyone else, but be the version of myself i want. I am going to cover my whole body, in tattoos (no face, neck, hands). I am fully committed to my goals, my path is a hard one, really hard, people told me it would be hard, but i am fully committed to it.

It is why my brother left a data science career, could of been making 6 figures easily in two years , to join me in my venture, firstly because we are helping people, not about the money, but the money will come (we are doing fairly well, not exactly making a crazy amount). We share same vibes about life, and hence why he wants to live with me , his friends don't share the risk taking that we do, especially me, i am a big risk taker.

Trench you get bullied on here by the guys (which i dislike), but i can tell you have a fear mindset, you are scared of risks. Regarding my health, i eat only meat, veg, fruit, broccoli smoothies daily, not pizzas etc (i like a healthy lifestyle, no drugs, drinking etc). Even if i caught Corona (i had a flu a while back), i am confident i can fight it.
Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: BillyB on October 14, 2020, 05:09:33 PM
I am going to cover my whole body, in tattoos (no face, neck, hands). I am fully committed to my goals, my path is a hard one, really hard, people told me it would be hard, but i am fully committed to it.



Be honest with the ladies about the path in life you want to take. I've seen guys waste time. One guy been with an FSU woman for a year and they were ready to get married until they talked about kids. She wanted some and he was fixed. Relationship over.  I think you understand most FSU women won't marry a man fully covered in tattoos so you have an uphill battle but you're more attractive than another poster we had here. He was big into aliens. Created his own website about aliens and occasionally he would travel to different parts of America to hunt for them. He's dedicated a good portion of his life on this. I'm sure his love life suffered but maybe he'll someday find a woman with as much passion as he has with aliens.



Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: japtats on October 14, 2020, 05:22:04 PM

Be honest with the ladies about the path in life you want to take. I've seen guys waste time. One guy been with an FSU woman for a year and they were ready to get married until they talked about kids. She wanted some and he was fixed. Relationship over.  I think you understand most FSU women won't marry a man fully covered in tattoos so you have an uphill battle but you're more attractive than another poster we had here. He was big into aliens. Created his own website about aliens and occasionally he would travel to different parts of America to hunt for them. He's dedicated a good portion of his life on this. I'm sure his love life suffered but maybe he'll someday find a woman with as much passion as he has with aliens.

Don't get offended , but do you lack reading comprehension? Can you read the messages? There are women who LOVE tattoos, secondly you presume to much , some women I meet want to start a family shortly after meeting me . Main concern is if I am going to leave them and whether I can financially support a family. My ex fiance was one of those women , at 20 she loved me , it worried her mother and sister as she was young and still studying, but she wanted a family with me , we had it planned out.

There is a market for men with tattoos , I simply appeal to it. Hence why my tattoos are all over my profile for dating

One woman I dated wanted to have a family with me , she hated tattoos but loved me dearly.
Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: Davo on October 14, 2020, 05:33:19 PM

Being out there at this time is a huge advantage in that there will be way, way less foreign competition particularly now that they have stopped foreigners coming into the country for the time being. Girls will want even more to meet with a WM in person than endlessly message and video chat online.


I agree there is probably a lot less competition for a guy whoís living in a FSU country, but regarding online dating.... It has never been a better time to meet quality women online. Iíve been chatting with a few guys using the free sites and male numbers are down and female numbers are up. Women accept that the men may not visit for a while and are happy with a long correspondence if youíre the right guy. I jumped online last night and what they are saying is correct. I found twice the amount of profiles that meet my criteria over the same search late last year.

Right now Trench you should be making your financial position youíre highest priority and 2nd getting back online and taking advantage of the situation and building some strong relationships. When things open up you will have a handful of women you have good chemistry with you can go and meet. Youíve tried waking around aimlessly trying to find a woman, it doesnít work, because only a small percentage of women are looking for a foreign man. The biggest congregation of these women you find online.

You arenít a guy who can pick random women up in real life. You donít have the personality or skills to do that successfully. Youíre r only chance is getting better at the online side of things. If you refuse to  do that youíll keep failing or being used by women.

If you actually chatted on a deeper level with 5-10 FSU women over several months, youíll soon realise that half the things you worry about donít matter and there are things you donít seem to be concerned about that will become apparent that you should be worried about.

Tats, muscles, clothes, etc... wonít help you if you canít utilise the biggest tool you have at your disposal... Building an online relationship. Using  video chatting to create a strong connection or on the other hand using it to dismiss the women who donít suit you so you only meet as Bill puts it ďgood girlsĒ

An honest question. During the last several years Iíve probably met 50+ genuine women online. Most Iíve got to know about their lives on a basic level, some a lot deeper. How many women have you chatted with online since you started your journey? How many have you formed a relationship with were thereís obvious attraction, flirting etc... and mutual chemistry. In my mind if you donít have this before you travel as guy in your position who hasnít got strong ďgameĒ in real
life youíre going to fail. 


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Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: BillyB on October 14, 2020, 05:45:12 PM
most FSU women won't marry a man fully covered in tattoos



There are women who LOVE tattoos,



There's nothing wrong with my or your statement which are both true. Just let them know what they see now, they won't see later as you plan on being full covered in tattoos. Some women may have the hots for you now but you will be a different looking man later. Very few women want to live life with a man fully covered in tattoos. I can sleep with a hot woman covered in tattoos but I'm not going to live the rest of my life with her.
Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: Confederate on October 14, 2020, 06:24:32 PM
Large tattoos on a woman is a complete turn-off for me. I prefer none and it's disappointing that this aspect of western culture is infiltrating the former Soviet. As is obesity.

Like ML I think there's a mental aspect to this obsession and I don't get it. However to each his own.

More normal FSUW for the rest of us.
Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: BillyB on October 14, 2020, 08:10:01 PM
Large tattoos on a woman is a complete turn-off for me.



C'mon man! Look at the girl who's body is covered in tattoos in the link below and tell me you wouldn't do her if she offered her hot body for free. There's also photos in there before she had any tattoos. Without the tattoos, she's the kind of girl any guy on this forum would spend thousands to fly over there and meet her if she lived overseas. If she had tattoos and looked like a pig, I would agree with you but her body is hot with or without tattoos. Tattoos or lack of will determine for most guys if they take her home and introduce her to momma or not. But tell me you wouldn't spend even 5 minutes naked with her.


http://www.thesun.co.uk/fabulous/10273263/dragon-girl-blind-tattoo-eyes-before-picture/ (http://www.thesun.co.uk/fabulous/10273263/dragon-girl-blind-tattoo-eyes-before-picture/)
Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: japtats on October 15, 2020, 12:25:54 AM
Well Billy, you compared my tattoos to a  guy who worshiped aliens , the percent of people who worship tattoos is much higher than you make it out to be, for the 18-25 age group, i would say it is easily 50% of women like tattoos, does not mean they have one, but they like them, or wouldn't mind.

And careful about 'what they will look like when you are old', you are sounding like trench, they look great at old age, if done correctly, and the person does not go severely out of shape (i won't), and secondly. at 60-70 my life would be over. I will be focusing on index funds, rather than what my tattoos look like, visiting my kids and grandkids. You think my wife will turn around at me after decades being married (great sex, finances good, Muscular as hell), as say 'honey you know that Billy guy, he is right, your tattoos look bad now, i am going to leave him, and go with someone that does not understand the anatomy of the the female body'. Won't be happening :P
Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: Trenchcoat on October 15, 2020, 02:03:39 AM

C'mon man! Look at the girl who's body is covered in tattoos in the link below and tell me you wouldn't do her if she offered her hot body for free. There's also photos in there before she had any tattoos. Without the tattoos, she's the kind of girl any guy on this forum would spend thousands to fly over there and meet her if she lived overseas. If she had tattoos and looked like a pig, I would agree with you but her body is hot with or without tattoos. Tattoos or lack of will determine for most guys if they take her home and introduce her to momma or not. But tell me you wouldn't spend even 5 minutes naked with her.


http://www.thesun.co.uk/fabulous/10273263/dragon-girl-blind-tattoo-eyes-before-picture/ (http://www.thesun.co.uk/fabulous/10273263/dragon-girl-blind-tattoo-eyes-before-picture/)

Facially before the tattoos I would say she is at best everyday looking so probably at best around a 5 on looks on photofeeler. Bodywise it looks like she wears a wonderbra but in reality has small boobs. The rest of her is slender enough and I guess toned to some extent but probably all in all pretty unremarkable. I think that is the ting for at least some people with tattoos maybe all, that they don't want to be 'everyday' people, they are fed up with it and come to hate being so generic looking. They know a cosmetic surgeon would not be able to make them look like a model so tattoos are their own recourse to being something other than generic looking and something they can set them apart from the everyday person. It's a way that some can gain the sort of fame (if only local) that they seek. I think a lot of it can end up looking easily a bit sci fi, fantasy, game of thrones looking, almost like a fictional character or super hero even.
Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: msmob on October 15, 2020, 03:23:40 AM
and secondly. at 60-70 my life would be over.

Sorry, it's not clear.. were you being ironic .. ?

BTW you cannot know how you will look at this age... At forty / fifty I looked much younger than my age and you might suffer from an ailment that curtails to ability to work out...  ;)

Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: japtats on October 15, 2020, 03:50:18 AM
Not sure what you disagree with, at 60-70 you witness the seeds you have planted. The life you have created, what you have contributed to society, the connections you have made. You are not in your early 20's to make daring bold moves, yes there are outliers, like
Colonel Sanders (who made KFC). But at the age, sit back and enjoy the bed you created.

And yes, i don't know what will be of the future, but i know the image i have in my head, and taking the actions to create that image. I am not preparing for failure like some, who are scared to take risk, thinking they are being smart, but in reality live a dead life, goes back to the quote, there is worse things than dying, hence what i wrote at the start of this post, at 60-70 you lay in the bed you have made, too late to make changes. Live a risk free life, and you live a mundane life, not really that complex.

You can disagree with what i said, and that is fair enough. I just know what i do and what has worked for me, based on my experiences, and beliefs.  I am not here to play other people's lives, (some irrational people posted regarding tattoos, and comparing it to people who worship aliens).
Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: japtats on October 15, 2020, 04:35:23 AM
I think this is now time for me to stop posting, seems like the people on here like putting others down , hasn't changed much , same people just bickering amongst themselves. Not something I want to be a part of , feels all negative rather than positive
Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: BC on October 15, 2020, 04:55:50 AM
japtats,

If you feel a post is out of line, please use the report to moderator feature before returning fire.
Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: BillyB on October 15, 2020, 09:10:32 AM
Well Billy, you compared my tattoos to a  guy who worshiped aliens , the percent of people who worship tattoos is much higher than you make it out to be, for the 18-25 age group, i would say it is easily 50% of women like tattoos, does not mean they have one, but they like them, or wouldn't mind.



I can agree with you that a lot of people love tattoos or will accept it on their partner even if they don't like them but what you want to achieve, near 100% body coverage is not what most people will do or will accept. Most of us go through life never seeing a person nearly covered in tattoos except for in a magazine or on tv. Those people are extremely rare and you will put yourself into that category.




And careful about 'what they will look like when you are old', you are sounding like trench, they look great at old age, if done correctly, and the person does not go severely out of shape (i won't), and secondly. at 60-70 my life would be over. I will be focusing on index funds, rather than what my tattoos look like, visiting my kids and grandkids. You think my wife will turn around at me after decades being married (great sex, finances good, Muscular as hell), as say 'honey you know that Billy guy, he is right, your tattoos look bad now, i am going to leave him, and go with someone that does not understand the anatomy of the the female body'. Won't be happening :P 



If you find a woman who loves you fully tattooed, she's not going to leave you because of your tattoos. Your brain is your biggest sex organ and that is what keeps most women. Obsessions can make your brain less appealing. Nothing wrong with wanting a tattoo, believing aliens exist or washing hands but if a person is obsessed with something, it can be a turn off if not now, later. I've known a friend since high school. Real great guy. I hate going to his house because we could be in the middle of a conversation and he'll get up, get a vacuum cleaner and start vacuuming after seeing cat hair on the carpet. He's a clean freak. Your goal of covering yourself in tattoos may not seem like an obsession to you but it would be considered an obsession to most people. Once you achieve your goal, will you be completely satisfied or will you search for a new goal just as radical as this one? A woman that chooses to live with you may be young and she may not understand all this yet but she will walk this experience with you and decide she may or may not like it.


When I was 35, I was in a relationship with a 23 yo Russian woman in Uzbekistan and her family was happy with my age because they said I'm at the age where I have my own opinions. Regardless of what religious, political or any other beliefs I have, I am who I am and at the age where I'm probably not going to radically change. My wife knows I'm not going to change. She thinks I'm stubborn on some issues but she likes that I'm stable. I'm not going to become a druggie. I'm not going to announce I found God and need to dedicate 2 years of my life doing a mission in Guatemala. I'm not going to do anything radical that could disrupt a stable family life with her. A lot of my girlfriends in the past liked that about me. Stability isn't talked about here much but it's important in relationships for long term success.



Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: japtats on October 15, 2020, 10:27:12 AM
Billy, i would never tell you how to run you construction business, because you simply know more about it, it is your speciality. I would rather ask you questions.

You want to know why people lack big tattoos? $100 per a hour, i nearly will have 200 hours work, that is $20k , how many people you know are willing to spend $20k on tattoos? Go through the pain ? In ukraine , it will cost me around $4k, how many people in ukraine can spend that? I spoke to my tattoo masters, people want big work, my masters said the problem is the money.

All you need to do is ask billy. You are married to one person, who is around age group i would date (bit higher), you dated within my age group maybe over a decade ago roughly. Times have changed, i have more experience than you with the 18-25 current age group

Firstly BDSM is becoming slightly common these days, the 'good girl, i am a virgin' is fading. Women tend to want a dominate man, yes a responsible man also. I agree with you Billy, but i am responsible, i take my finances seriously, but not serious enough to limit myself to follow my passions in business, and taking risks within my business.

You say i am obsessive, well done Billy, you are correct! I am crazy , obsessive, and some women love that, i am not spending my time debating Joe vs Trump, Brexit, i am out there doing what i enjoy, helping people, improving myself, that is why everytime i am in person with a woman, their eyes sparkle, they cannot believe a man like me exists.

I often tell FSUW, i hate talking about love , i hate the whole talking part of stuff, i prefer actions. Too many people are normal, think working 40 years a week is hard, and no time for gym, no time to have sex (too tired). So yes, i love this obsessive aspect of myself, let us see where it takes me, you keep doing you though.



Also trench i have a beard also, beards are not really appreciated in FSU, but you get women who love them also. I am tired of caring what FSUW want, and just do what i want, there is always women who appreciate what i have and want to do.
Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: japtats on October 15, 2020, 01:56:16 PM


Tattoos cost around $100 an hour , i am getting 200 hours work done, that is $20k+ , how many people in the US have that to spend on tattoos? Celebs with money. In Ukraine i am paying around $4k (cost me more with flights etc, but actually tattoers will be paid this). how many people in ukraine have $4k to spend on tattoos? i spoke to my tattoo masters, people want big work, but money is the issue, usually in ukraine, people get small tattoos, as they cannot afford it.

Regarding obsession, yes i am passionate and obsessed about my goals, i know we live in a world where people say they will do stuff, and do half the work. But not me, and that is what the women i dated appreciated about me, they knew whatever i wanted to do , i was fully committed to do it the best of my ability. It is the edge i have over others, my ability to have a flexible mindset , and focused.

(http://i.ibb.co/pWQfJyD/tattoos.png) (http://imgbb.com/)


At the moment i got front arms, chest, and legs done, half back done, i want a full suit (minus the face, neck, and hands)
Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: Faux Pas on October 15, 2020, 03:11:56 PM

Tattoos cost around $100 an hour , i am getting 200 hours work done, that is $20k+ , how many people in the US have that to spend on tattoos? Celebs with money. In Ukraine i am paying around $4k (cost me more with flights etc, but actually tattoers will be paid this). how many people in ukraine have $4k to spend on tattoos? i spoke to my tattoo masters, people want big work, but money is the issue, usually in ukraine, people get small tattoos, as they cannot afford it.

Regarding obsession, yes i am passionate and obsessed about my goals, i know we live in a world where people say they will do stuff, and do half the work. But not me, and that is what the women i dated appreciated about me, they knew whatever i wanted to do , i was fully committed to do it the best of my ability. It is the edge i have over others, my ability to have a flexible mindset , and focused.

(http://i.ibb.co/pWQfJyD/tattoos.png) (http://imgbb.com/)


At the moment i got front arms, chest, and legs done, half back done, i want a full suit (minus the face, neck, and hands)

I don't know brah. If tatts make you happy, I say go for it and I'm happy for you. But you do seem to have some misguided illusion that doing what you are doing is the envy of others. I would say you're wrong. Would I spend 20K on tatts? Not just no but, hell no. I personally still wouldn't have a tattoo if you paid me to have one. Yeah I'm an old fart but I can assure you at no time in my advanced years have I ever looked at a tattoo or any other piece of art and said to myself, "Yeah, I want that permanently on my body". It's not a generational thing. People have been getting tatts hundreds thousands of years.

One here, an arm there whatever but full body is committed I'll give you that. But, committed to what?
Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: Trenchcoat on October 15, 2020, 03:33:27 PM

Tattoos cost around $100 an hour , i am getting 200 hours work done, that is $20k+ , how many people in the US have that to spend on tattoos? Celebs with money. In Ukraine i am paying around $4k (cost me more with flights etc, but actually tattoers will be paid this). how many people in ukraine have $4k to spend on tattoos? i spoke to my tattoo masters, people want big work, but money is the issue, usually in ukraine, people get small tattoos, as they cannot afford it.

Celebs with money or those that want to become celebs/have celeb like status???

I get it in Ukraine that sort of display will state that you are a wealthy and hence successful guy. For certain women that are particularly aware of what a lot of tattoos translates to it will appeal greatly, that will most likely be young women in their early to mid twenties of course. So it's kind of like another version of buying an expensive suit (of clothes) except there aren't loads of guys doing it, in fact you are probably way out in front on that one. None of this I say as a negative though, you are obviously into the tattoo scene like some guys are genuinely into the expensive suit scene.

When I was younger I used to go to nightclubs, not a lot as a regular goer or anything but every few weeks or months usually more in the summer but occasionally in colder months. Anyway, back in the nineties club scene I regularly used to see a reoccurring sight. There always used to be at least one guy (though not much more than one) who would be dancing on the dance floor with a big comedy like jumbo top hat type of silly hat. I used to think how pointless and ridiculous, yet this sight was pretty much always accompanied with the sight of many girls all dancing around with them. I couldn't believe that such a stupid silly stunt would attract girls (decent enough looking ones) Yet without fail it worked, the guy was attracting girls while the majority of other men, apart from above average looks guys, were not attracting any women. All it cost those guys was the cost of a silly big novelty hat, time over again I would buy a silly big novelty hat rather than my Ben Sherman shirt that I thought would look nice to women. Thing of course with a silly big novelty hat is that you can take it off at the end of the night and chose when to wear it, tattoos are another form off showmanship but of course stay with you. That's fine if is the scene you want to be in. I think what Billy is getting at is that what it is doing for you as far as the ladies go may have it's limitations, just like an expensive Armani suit will only take me so far. After a time the guy has to continue to impress the girl with other aspects of himself otherwise the girl will eventually get bored and move on.

I've made the mistake of being obsessive in a certain field, I still am very interested in that field but have learnt of recent it's more interesting to have a wide array of stuff to be into to varying levels to suit in order to be a more enjoyable and whole person.
Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: japtats on October 15, 2020, 03:54:41 PM
Women admire the way I look at certain things differently in regards to adding value to people's lives , the setbacks I had in life yet didn't give up . I think it is the amount of failures I had that really shocks people , yet I always bounced back .

My brother works full time with me , we are partners , yet I started everything myself , he is from a data science background, but before that at 21 he was a manager at Amazon for 300 people , way older than himself , he by Amazon standards had great business and managerial acumen , yet when he is working with me he is shocked at the way I view business in a unique way .

It is about value I add to people's lives rather than what I can get , I am somewhat spiritual , and mix it was business. Women I met love my passion for the goals I have, I see the spark in their eyes .

It is more than Armani suits , acting professional , it is about passion . A passion a lot of people lack , and fail to apply in their own lives.

Regarding my commitment to what , it is the commitment I have to myself to do whatever it is I want in life to my best ability.

Trench you posted that beards are not liked in fsu , you are right , they aren't. I have one , big one , I love it , there are women who like it , and a lot more who don't . But I love it , and that is all that matters, what I love (my fiance was a fan of my tattoos, beard , and muscles) .

I have charisma and humour , two attributes that is needed for my business . That woman I messaged had tattoos herself, I think a lot of people are way too focused on what other people like , hence chase money , buy certain items and such , instead of doing stuff they enjoy. The constant debate on this forums is what do FSU want , what do you want? What would make you happy? I am single , still have feelings about my ex , yet I am at peace , I love my work , routine and don't worry about money (I have one client who owes me several thousand , but It really does not stress me). I am at peace , which is all that matters , majority of married folk don't have peace (I am not anti marriage) , but maybe they are not doing what they want? Who knows , all I know is my emotions , and what I want
Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: BillyB on October 15, 2020, 04:23:56 PM
That woman I messaged had tattoos herself,


Beware, some of them women have an agenda to get close to you and will offer sex as payment for tattoos instead of money.

There always used to be at least one guy (though not much more than one) who would be dancing on the dance floor with a big comedy like jumbo top hat type of silly hat. I used to think how pointless and ridiculous, yet this sight was pretty much always accompanied with the sight of many girls all dancing around with them. I couldn't believe that such a stupid silly stunt would attract girls (decent enough looking ones) Yet without fail it worked, the guy was attracting girls while the majority of other men, apart from above average looks guys, were not attracting any women.


The silly jumbo hat makes them the center of attention and the girls gravitate towards the center of attention or where most of the fun is on the dance floor. The hat may get the guy some phone numbers or laid more than if he didn't have one but from what I know of most FSU women, they want a relationship with a MAN, not a clown.
Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: Trenchcoat on October 15, 2020, 04:34:28 PM
The constant debate on this forums is what do FSU want , what do you want? What would make you happy? I am single , still have feelings about my ex , yet I am at peace , I love my work , routine and don't worry about money

That is true, I think it is a western thing. Since feminism the scales have tipped away from men and towards women in the west. Guys are constantly questioning what women want to get one. Women in the west can be demanding and want this that and the other. Western dating sites show many profiles where women list their wants and not like FSW. FSW will say stuff like to be loved, to be with a kind, gentle man, etc. Whereas western women will say he must wear this stuff (brands) and not those, etc etc. Some western women will even get jealous of a guy that has reached certain areas off his career.

That kind of messes without mind over many years. By the time we get to the FSU we are conditioned into asking what women want when really they follow what a man wants. Not many if us live or work out in the FSU so switching to that mentality is not easy.

I think some businesses and ways of life are easier to get into than others. Some peoples skills they can only get work by going to large companies that dominate and suck up all the work so much so that competing with them would be foolhardy.

You seem to be happy with the way you are doing and how you go about it so I won't knock that. End of the day we presumably only have one life here so if you're content and feeling joy doing what you're doing then it's not a bad way to spend that time. Theoretically there's nothing wrong with enjoying different relationships through life with different women rather than being tied down to one. I think some people tie themselves down to one person in life for fear of being alone when the relationship run out of steam long ago. Depends on the psych I guess.
Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: Trenchcoat on October 15, 2020, 04:36:05 PM

The silly jumbo hat makes them the center of attention and the girls gravitate towards the center of attention or where most of the fun is on the dance floor. The hat may get the guy some phone numbers or laid more than if he didn't have one but from what I know of most FSU women, they want a relationship with a MAN, not a clown.

Exactly, and I think you're probably right in the FSU it probably wouldn't work nearly as well.
Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: Boethius on October 15, 2020, 05:43:15 PM
That is true, I think it is a western thing. Since feminism the scales have tipped away from men and towards women in the west. Guys are constantly questioning what women want to get one. Women in the west can be demanding and want this that and the other. Western dating sites show many profiles where women list their wants and not like FSW. FSW will say stuff like to be loved, to be with a kind, gentle man, etc. Whereas western women will say he must wear this stuff (brands) and not those, etc etc. Some western women will even get jealous of a guy that has reached certain areas off his career.


Your lack of experience with real, living, breathing women is demonstrated yet again.  Yeah, sure.  FSUW don't want anything material.  Just ask any WM here who is married to one - no new clothes, make up, or shoes.  She doesn't want, or need, anything nice.  Just the "love of a good man".


This post was composed without the aid of google.
Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: Trenchcoat on October 15, 2020, 06:13:05 PM

Your lack of experience with real, living, breathing women is demonstrated yet again.  Yeah, sure.  FSUW don't want anything material.  Just ask any WM here who is married to one - no new clothes, make up, or shoes.  She doesn't want, or need, anything nice.  Just the "love of a good man".


This post was composed without the aid of google.

I didn't mean that is all they wanted just that compared to western women they don't tend to state their demands upfront. Western women tend to be very high minded with their expectations from what I have seen and for some just about every man living on the planet apparently fails to make the grade lol.
Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: Boethius on October 15, 2020, 06:31:40 PM
I didn't mean that is all they wanted just that compared to western women they don't tend to state their demands upfront. Western women tend to be very high minded with their expectations from what I have seen and for some just about every man living on the planet apparently fails to make the grade lol.


They don't state them when looking for foreign men because everything they read tells them what foreign men want, and they tailor their profiles for that.  A woman who used to post here, in the Russian language section, had a site dedicated to helping FSUW find a WM.  Her website had all sorts of tips on setting up profiles, communication, what not to say, etc., so that WM would find the FSUW more attractive. 


Your continued comparisons just tell me that you haven't had many relationships, and likely blame your lack of material wealth for your failure to connect with WW when younger.  There may be many reasons you didn't connect, some of them, societal, but most, likely due to you.  I'm not criticizing you, I just happen to believe that ultimately, we are all responsible for our own fates.


This post was composed without the aid of google.
Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: japtats on October 15, 2020, 11:20:59 PM
but from what I know of most FSU women, they want a relationship with a MAN, not a clown.

I think most people want a relationship with someone that can make them laugh, but yes, if you wear a blazer in your photos (i used to), act professional, it will get you more matches. I struggle with humour in FSU with language barrier, but when in person i can make a woman laugh, and i think that is a big thing especially in West, and somewhat in FSU.

(http://i.ibb.co/yFhyLKm/1a.png) (http://imgbb.com/)
(http://i.ibb.co/rGjyPP8/1b.png) (http://imgbb.com/)

Trench regarding WW standards, i find WW less interested in what you can provide, they are eager to pay for the next date (Offer to pay 50% of the first, but you should insist no). In FSU you pay for everything, you may come across a FSUW who says she likes to live on budget (i had those), but reality, trust me is a lot different, you need to be able to see through what people say and reality in fsu a lot, FSU is about impressions. The guys try and say stuff to impress the women (fail to deliver), and FSUW try impress the men with their soul (but lack this).

I will give you an example, my ex fiance dated a guy in Moscow, pretty well off, he said on the first date 'i will buy you food each night, you never need to cook , i will buy you a car, look after you', reality after she moved in with him, he was different, order her to cook, tried to dodge a 30k rouble medical bill, he was a classic FSUM mentality, as in, when you trap the girl you switch , he wanted kids with her, and i knew what his game was, trapping people and then turn worse.

Moral of the story? My ex cheated on him , with a young 25 year old, who had russian oligarch roots, he invested a lot of time in her, and flew down specifically to see her. Also her ex boyfriend was previously married, one day his wife packed up, took the car, household items, was cheating on him with a man from Cyprus, and had a kid with him shortly after.

He reminds me of everything Billy says FSUW want, till they actually date, professional, suits, very serious, but he is good at talking, and that is what i learnt from him. Stop talking, start doing. When i dated my ex fiance, i had literally no money, i was broke, i had this business idea, and she really loved me and cared for me, she supported me. When we met i gave her all the money i had so she could not rely on her mother, she still used her mother's money to buy stuff, and saved the money i gave her (Bit over $1000), she wanted to save it for the wedding, and the kids we planned on having shortly after the marriage (Just a wedding not a legal marriage, i wanted to save legal one after we had a child ). After we ended she returned all the money to me.

A lot of FSUW will talk about love early on, that they only have sex when there is love, but even with sex, they don't truly love you. Maybe they don't know what true love is. But what they want is more materialistic support than WW, i strongly suggest men not to take what FSUW tell you they want, very seriously. ANd use a bit of logic, you are a western man , you are a provider, so provide.

A guy on the forum recently posted his is engaged to a woman in Moscow, who wanted a holiday for her child, and mother, nothing unusual, for him he though she was a Gold digger, he will soon realise, that is the tip of the ice berg to come. Some FSUW will wait till you are married, and then change, some test you prior to see if you will deliver, if not they will find someone else, and rather not waste their time (getting a visa for some FSUW isn't a big thing for them, finding a provider in FSU is not very hard).

I will warn men off FSU, as it is a different game here, and i can see a lot of guys being duped into buy something they believe is real, and will get a huge shock later on. I am nearly 30, i date between 18-25, i come across women my age, or little older, they look great for their AGE, i know when they were 18-21 they must of had many men who would treat them like a princess, they carry that attitude, and talk about what the men did for them in the past, clinging onto the past, and cannot move on.

They are shocked because i don't buy into their game, and it pisses them off, i know in a few years of being single, they will switch to what Beothius maybe implied, a trained woman who pretends she is what every western man wants, low budget woman, who just wants love, but will change after she gets what she wants, you cannot change the inside, but the mask you can. Just my warning, be carful on believing what people say , it is different from the reality.


If you want to what is inside a woman, she how she treats animals, she how she reacts to people in poverty. I was in a relationship with someone, and a old woman fell in lviv , i look around and nobody flinched, i was walking with my gf and the time, and her friend, they saw but they didn't care. I rushed to pick the woman, but that incident told me everything i needed to know about my girlfriend at the time. In the West women like to care for homeless and such, in FSU you are scum if you are not educated or don't have money, you are nothing. They have a class system here based on education and wealth, if you are out of it, they look down on you. That is FSU for you.
Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: msmob on October 15, 2020, 11:52:57 PM
Well, now the above post is filled with SO many examples of misleading generalisations about FSU people...where to start?......



Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: japtats on October 16, 2020, 12:09:15 AM
Mods make it clear, because this is my trip report.
Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: AnonMod on October 16, 2020, 12:29:17 AM
moby has criticized the generalizations you have made about the FSU.  That is not a criticism of you.  You can defend what you have posted, or ignore moby.  Your choice.
Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: BC on October 16, 2020, 02:01:05 AM
Mods make it clear, because this is my trip report.

japtats,

There is a 'Trip Reports sans Responses' section where you can post your trip report and replies are not allowed.

http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?board=60.0
Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: Patagonie on October 16, 2020, 02:06:48 AM
Japtats 
You provide a fresh and interesting content to the forum.
 
It's especially interesting because you are targeting a range age that we are not used to know about. 
And you don't have the usual profile of many rwd members who usually live with their spouses in their countries (you are in the ex FSU for six months now).


Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: Faux Pas on October 16, 2020, 05:26:32 AM
Japtats 
You provide a fresh and interesting content to the forum.
 
It's especially interesting because you are targeting a range age that we are not used to know about. 
And you don't have the usual profile of many rwd members who usually live with their spouses in their countries (you are in the ex FSU for six months now).

 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: Hammer2722 on October 16, 2020, 07:27:04 AM
japtats,

There is a 'Trip Reports sans Responses' section where you can post your trip report and replies are not allowed.

http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?board=60.0 (http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?board=60.0)


I agree with this. I would look forward to reading about your trip without the usual nonsense posts! Hope you will continue. Its a breath of fresh air from the constant political posts...
Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: ML on October 16, 2020, 10:46:00 AM
Yes, and tell us about your interactions with the women . . . without the Tats info.
Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: Hammer2722 on October 16, 2020, 11:13:28 AM
Yes, and tell us about your interactions with the women . . . without the Tats info.
LOL
Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: Trenchcoat on October 17, 2020, 09:43:34 AM
FSUW try impress the men with their soul (but lack this).

He reminds me of everything Billy says FSUW want, till they actually date, professional, suits, very serious, but he is good at talking, and that is what i learnt from him. Stop talking, start doing. When i dated my ex fiance, i had literally no money, i was broke, i had this business idea, and she really loved me and cared for me, she supported me. When we met i gave her all the money i had so she could not rely on her mother, she still used her mother's money to buy stuff, and saved the money i gave her (Bit over $1000), she wanted to save it for the wedding, and the kids we planned on having shortly after the marriage (Just a wedding not a legal marriage, i wanted to save legal one after we had a child ). After we ended she returned all the money to me.

A lot of FSUW will talk about love early on, that they only have sex when there is love, but even with sex, they don't truly love you. Maybe they don't know what true love is. But what they want is more materialistic support than WW, i strongly suggest men not to take what FSUW tell you they want, very seriously. ANd use a bit of logic, you are a western man , you are a provider, so provide.

I will warn men off FSU, as it is a different game here, and i can see a lot of guys being duped into buy something they believe is real, and will get a huge shock later on. I am nearly 30, i date between 18-25, i come across women my age, or little older, they look great for their AGE, i know when they were 18-21 they must of had many men who would treat them like a princess, they carry that attitude, and talk about what the men did for them in the past, clinging onto the past, and cannot move on.

They are shocked because i don't buy into their game, and it pisses them off, i know in a few years of being single, they will switch to what Beothius maybe implied, a trained woman who pretends she is what every western man wants, low budget woman, who just wants love, but will change after she gets what she wants, you cannot change the inside, but the mask you can. Just my warning, be carful on believing what people say , it is different from the reality.


If you want to what is inside a woman, she how she treats animals, she how she reacts to people in poverty. I was in a relationship with someone, and a old woman fell in lviv , i look around and nobody flinched, i was walking with my gf and the time, and her friend, they saw but they didn't care. I rushed to pick the woman, but that incident told me everything i needed to know about my girlfriend at the time. In the West women like to care for homeless and such, in FSU you are scum if you are not educated or don't have money, you are nothing. They have a class system here based on education and wealth, if you are out of it, they look down on you. That is FSU for you.

Thanks Japs, you've learned a lot while you've been out there and some of the stuff you say reflecting back to my experience rings true. When I was in Kiev dating Kherson girl there was a homeless person nearby sat down in a blanket at the side of a building as we walked nearby. I felt sorry for the guy, I don't get involved with homeless on the street due to security reasons, but Kherson girl reaction seemed to be one of disdain and turn to move away from the scene. Now Kherson girl (in her mid twenties at the time) was certainly a pretty girl for the most part, an easy 8-9 or so from a distance (she has a slight nose imperfection) so she was definitely in the 'princess' category you describe and she certainly had an attitude. Her attitude reminded me of those LA high school movies, all the valley girls. I couldn't believe it, for a girl who apparently lives in a small cramped apartment with her sibling & other half, plus child in a concrete block of flats she carried as if she was a spoilt California girl, fussy, whining, always wanting stuff, etc and of course level that she held herself to. Seeing what you say, I think yes it was the princess attitude present there, it makes sense of it for me because ever since I wondered why she was that way. I thought since she comes from a downtrodden area she would be down to earth lol, couldn't understand why not until what you wrote. In fairness she had her nicer side but I don't think she ever loved me, she told me she liked me once and I think she may have but not loved. We had sex but I kind of got the feeling that she wasn't really into me in that way.

I think with your ex once she had experienced a guy who did not deliver and tried to trap and then change she probably saw greater value in being with a guy with potential like yourself rather than one who makes out he is something he isn't. I can see how dating is difficult out there for FSUM, the women want so much but the state of the economy means few men can match up to that so they are only left with such techniques and of course lying. Otherwise they know they won't get a woman at all. The women meanwhile like you say make out they are all soulful and stuff when really all they care about is finding a guy with money. I see what you mean with they say one thing but are another. Like you say your tests are a good way of determine what type of woman you are with :)
Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: Trenchcoat on October 17, 2020, 11:17:24 AM
So to summarize FSUW can be categorised as:

1). Girls that truly love you.

2). Girls that don't but will go with you if you have the money or are desperate enough.

Talking of course about post Soviet women, soviet era women may be a different kettle of fish but most of them will be quite old now of course.

In fairness I can see how the second option works for some, out there there is not a great welfare system or good state pension when you retire. By setting emotions aside couples can get together for mutual benefit and have a potentially happier life (or not) then they would if single or if not one where they might both survive easier. I know some FSUM do just end up living to work, working all day or night then sleeping all the time at home, long hours of work all the time. I guess they do that to avoid falling foul of not delivering what they promised or failing as a man as some might call it.
Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: japtats on October 17, 2020, 03:42:37 PM

The guy that tried to trap her was after myself, when she met him he was in a much better economic standpoint than me, i was 3 months into my business,when she met me i was broke, but i made her laugh, she loved tattoos, and my beard, and most importantly she trusted me, i knew of her past, she told me she cheated on her bf (who was after me), she didn't tell anyone. I kept contact with the mum , she was shocked at how much i knew about my ex, she said that my ex fiance clearly trusted me a lot. She did love me, but things got weird, and till this day i still don't understand why i got financial success just after we broke up. I think it was fate, for me to help others who go through a similar situation as myself (who knows)

But I do dislike it when people talk about their soul is , I tell them the soul doesn't look good in lingerie . I am more western , FSU are more into talking about a soul contest 😂  makes me cringe inside how much people pretend.

Real love takes time, that is when you go through obstacles together. I loved my fiance because she supported me , when nobody else did , she believed in me . We were able to overcome problems together , and that is what really brought us together . We could depend on the other person
Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: japtats on October 17, 2020, 03:57:28 PM
Going for a supermarket tour next week, she sounds fun, physically my type (and has tattoos!), the issue is she is doing her masters (STEM), always students are busy, and i am also busy, so i prefer when a woman has time to go around my lifestyle, rather than other way round. I will get her a present and give her when we meet (perfume), i don't want her to think i am cheaping out on the date, but really looking forward to a supermarket date hahaha
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I had to flip my bed over (i broke the support), i must of been to 7 apartments in ukraine (move a lot), broke 2 completely, 2 others i broke the supports, and ended up sleeping on the matress on the floor, and before anyone asks, yes FSUW don't mind sleeping on the mattress on the floor, they always are more concerned about how good the sex is going to be rather than the state of the bed. But when i do get a permanent place, i am buying a good bed

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Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: japtats on October 17, 2020, 11:44:05 PM
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Trench you might find this useful, i talk to people who actually live in the FSU, no interest in them fooling me, sometimes i laugh with taxi drivers, do all say same thing, money matters. But to what extent? You really just need to be able to cover the basics, semi decent home, money for food and bills, maybe trips once or twice a year, few dresses here and there. Not really much is needed, that is why you don't see many old men with younger women anymore (talking about 15 year age gap), i am here, i hardly see it, you see a lot of young men with young women, people generally have enough to get by.

Men generally in 18-25 age bracket are finding themselves still financially, you got some men in that age that do coding, so they are already doing fairly well, and they will do better than let us say a 45 year old multimillionaire, they have youth and enough to support a woman and family. That is all that matters, a lot of woman don't want to work towards it, you get a lot of female coders, who made career changes in FSU (hence my whatsapp message), but some women want to find a provider.

I have noticed that when i talk to women between 18-25 they all want to have their own business, till they see the work it involves (women i dated saw how hard i work). When i talk to someone 25 to my age, they are ready to settle down, they realise the career didn't make them happy (Someone can input on this, i have no idea why), or they give up on trying, and are tired.

The women i dated are generally 18-25, i find them more attractive in that bracket physically, but i wouldn't say they are always that good for settling down with, they are finding themselves still, career wise, and life wise. I haven't fully figured this out, but i would say someone 25+ is better to settle down with (generally), more mentally stable. But i have come across some between 18 to 25 who are ready, so not always the case.

Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: msmob on October 18, 2020, 03:16:43 AM
There are plenty of wealthy guys that have a much younger mistress in the FSU.

If one cannot see it...then the scandal rags and evening chat shows are full of it.

I am referring to Russia, but I doubt Ukraine is much different.

Mind you, there are toy boys in long term relationships with MUCH older ladies, too...

Maxim Galkin has been with Pogachova for 15 years?

I haven't been to the FSU since March 1st. Was there a sea change in such a short time?

PS I work with 18-early 30 something professionals from the FSU. They are marrying and starting families later.

Much of what is described in this thread is not what I notice in Russia or Georgia.

Can they be so different?
Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: japtats on October 18, 2020, 06:58:16 AM
Got back from my tattoo session, i found out today that my tattoo master was previously engaged. He was engaged to someone in Kiev (he is not from Kiev), she didn't want to move to his city , didn't want to work, he spent all his money on her, taking her to the best places. He always told me Ukrainian women are lazy, don't want to work etc (not much different in russia). We both discussed the whole 'beautiful soul' that women in fsu preach to us men, and we both agreed it is a contest, somewhat like fsu people buying fake designers, posing etc, 101 roses, how much they love their partner, but behind closed doors it is different. I can see why some western men flock here, they think the models here just need 'love', but the love comes at a price sometimes (not a bad thing if you can actually provide).

We got talking further , he said it is best to go with a simple girl, who needs a little. I am leaving that part in , not my words, but i guess it is maybe valuable to learn from people who actually grew up in the FSU.
Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: Trenchcoat on October 18, 2020, 12:40:45 PM
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Trench you might find this useful, i talk to people who actually live in the FSU, no interest in them fooling me, sometimes i laugh with taxi drivers, do all say same thing, money matters. But to what extent? You really just need to be able to cover the basics, semi decent home, money for food and bills, maybe trips once or twice a year, few dresses here and there. Not really much is needed, that is why you don't see many old men with younger women anymore (talking about 15 year age gap), i am here, i hardly see it, you see a lot of young men with young women, people generally have enough to get by.

Men generally in 18-25 age bracket are finding themselves still financially, you got some men in that age that do coding, so they are already doing fairly well, and they will do better than let us say a 45 year old multimillionaire, they have youth and enough to support a woman and family. That is all that matters, a lot of woman don't want to work towards it, you get a lot of female coders, who made career changes in FSU (hence my whatsapp message), but some women want to find a provider.

I have noticed that when i talk to women between 18-25 they all want to have their own business, till they see the work it involves (women i dated saw how hard i work). When i talk to someone 25 to my age, they are ready to settle down, they realise the career didn't make them happy (Someone can input on this, i have no idea why), or they give up on trying, and are tired.

The women i dated are generally 18-25, i find them more attractive in that bracket physically, but i wouldn't say they are always that good for settling down with, they are finding themselves still, career wise, and life wise. I haven't fully figured this out, but i would say someone 25+ is better to settle down with (generally), more mentally stable. But i have come across some between 18 to 25 who are ready, so not always the case.

Well my last trip to the FSU was back to Kiev, summer 2019 (same time their new President was being sworn in). It was just for a long weekend so I tend to forget that it's three times I've actually been to Kiev so far. Anyway this time I didn't go to meet anyone, the idea was to test out different ways I might meet someone more naturally. Anyway during it all I ended up walking around the city a lot so not only did I get to know my way around a lot better I also observed a lot. Like you say most of the couples I saw around were young couples dating, don't think I saw any with older men. Pretty much all were casual smart dress. So indeed the dating age range was not that different from the UK and my mind told me I would be out of luck trying for much younger girl there.

That said I think it depends where in the FSU you go. Kiev city centre is kind of where the wealthiest citizens in Ukraine live, those I saw were it is probably fair to say the elite sons and daughters of Ukraine hob nobbing it with those of comparable social status. Checking out the MacDonalds across the street from my hotel the Royal Grand Hotel the girls working there seemed to show a little interest in me, apart from serving me my burger of course ;D They were around late teens to early twenties, personality wise seemed reasonably nice on the face of it and around a good average in terms of looks in general. Too young I decided for me though, I was already feeling past it enough after looking at the young girls out dating. The McDonald's girls were obviously in a different socio-economic bracket so an older foreign man able to swan around would doubtless have more appeal.

Needless to say the situation seemed similar in Odessa city centre thinking back to my trip there and is probably the same in Kharkiv city centre where you are. I think the better bet for older men wanting younger girls are the smaller and poorer cities. In fact the more deprived and depressing a place is the more luck an older guy is likely to have. I get the impression the girls out there crave a foot or two up the socio-economic ladder, but then we are talking the more hit looking girls. Like the conversation you had with your Tattoo Master, there are everyday looking girls (like the McDonald's girls) some just want someone to provide and the big standard Life, others like in your chat message won't mind going it alone, probably moreso if looks aren't on their side. Some will of course just want to be saved from their day job, lol.

Myself I'm not too old looking, still pretty much all brown hair, I pluck out the odd strand of white hair here and there ;) Facially I show some signs of age, nothing too bad but probably enough to show I most certainly ain't in the twenty something age group or anywhere close. At some point in the near future I am planning to go to the US to get a bit off filler done. The UK market is totally unregulated so way to dodgy to have done here. Nothing over the top though just a little to ease a few years of without looking odd. It's not that I'm looking for a really young girl but I feel that even a girl a few years younger that it becomes a negative if the guy is looking a bit aged. Some guys I think don't recognize to their folly that there age is counting against them with much younger girls and I would rather not be one of them.

Anyhow, I think you're at a great age for dating out there. My age would count heavily against me with 18-25 year old girl's lol. Probably once you get into your early thirties it would start to shift to 25-30 year old girl's with the 18-25 becoming less serious. Anything is possible though, but I would say it's a big advantage still being quite youngish as you are AND having prospects as you do. Once a guy starts to get late thirties to early forties then it's really the girls who are early to mid thirties or so and that's usually means less choice in terms of finding a decent one.
Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: japtats on October 18, 2020, 01:38:28 PM
I don't know, i am heading to 30, but some of the women i managed to date were best looking i ever had. My ex fiance was on a different level,she had the package a lot of women lack. That being said, after we and her ended, she went on a date with a multibillionaire, he was an absolute genius, i cannot state how he made his money, but it was STEM. She felt nothing (nor did he), she realised after going to the date that the place she ate with him, a normal guy could take her to (well with a semi good salary).

And this is what hits a lot of people, they realise money is important, until a certain level, after which it is meaningless. I told everyone that this year for me is growth, tattoos, business, i got other things i am working on (need to get back in the gym after my tattoos heal). So i don't think the current me is anywhere near the best version of myself.

Regarding age gap thing, i think soviet collapse days are over, women have iphones, there is wealth already here, they just let go that more wealth is better, and more are buying into being comfortable in life.
Title: Japtats Trip report
Post by: 2tallbill on October 18, 2020, 01:56:10 PM
My age would count heavily against me with 18-25 year old girl's lol. Probably once you get into your early thirties it would start to shift to 25-30 year old girl's with the 18-25 becoming less serious.

18-25 year old girls are like putting a bread into the oven for 12 minutes.
It really looks good on the outside but if you open it up then you will see
that it's not done on the inside yet.

The only reason to date 18-25 year old girls is because that's the only girls
who will date you, i.e. you yourself are this age and older girls will reject you.

"Their prefrontal cortex is not yet fully developed. That's the part of the brain
that helps you to inhibit impulses and to plan and organize your behavior to
reach a goal1."


Understanding the Teen Brain
http://www.urmc.rochester.edu/encyclopedia/content.aspx?ContentTypeID=1&ContentID=3051


Brain Maturity Extends Well Beyond Teen Years
1. http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=141164708
Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: japtats on October 18, 2020, 02:22:50 PM
18-25 year old girls are like putting a bread into the oven for 12 minutes.
It really looks good on the outside but if you open it up then you will see
that it's not done on the inside yet.

"Their prefrontal cortex is not yet fully developed. That's the part of the brain
that helps you to inhibit impulses and to plan and organize your behavior to
reach a goal1."



Agreed


The only reason to date 18-25 year old girls is because that's the only girls
who will date you, i.e. you yourself are this age and older girls will reject you.


Not really, it is because 18-25 are prime physically, (i prefer actually 21 to 25). It has nothing to do with what you said, actually dating older women begins to get easier, men get more options as dating pool expands, now i can date a wide range of ages as opposed to my days when i was 21 for example. Age actually benefits no person, but detrimental even more to people's whose value is the way they look (women are more judged than men, on their appearance, men are generally judged on their earning power, in FSU that is).
Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: Trenchcoat on October 18, 2020, 02:40:06 PM
18-25 year old girls are like putting a bread into the oven for 12 minutes.
It really looks good on the outside but if you open it up then you will see
that it's not done on the inside yet.

The only reason to date 18-25 year old girls is because that's the only girls
who will date you, i.e. you yourself are this age and older girls will reject you.

"Their prefrontal cortex is not yet fully developed. That's the part of the brain
that helps you to inhibit impulses and to plan and organize your behavior to
reach a goal1."



Understanding the Teen Brain
http://www.urmc.rochester.edu/encyclopedia/content.aspx?ContentTypeID=1&ContentID=3051


Brain Maturity Extends Well Beyond Teen Years
1. http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=141164708

That's interesting info Bill :) Yep I recall you saying that stuff before, you're no doubt right. They might be fun for a short while but I think I recall you saying they weren't that good for sex either at that age also.
Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: Trenchcoat on October 18, 2020, 03:06:27 PM
I don't know, i am heading to 30, but some of the women i managed to date were best looking i ever had. My ex fiance was on a different level,she had the package a lot of women lack. That being said, after we and her ended, she went on a date with a multibillionaire, he was an absolute genius, i cannot state how he made his money, but it was STEM. She felt nothing (nor did he), she realised after going to the date that the place she ate with him, a normal guy could take her to (well with a semi good salary).

And this is what hits a lot of people, they realise money is important, until a certain level, after which it is meaningless. I told everyone that this year for me is growth, tattoos, business, i got other things i am working on (need to get back in the gym after my tattoos heal). So i don't think the current me is anywhere near the best version of myself.

Regarding age gap thing, i think soviet collapse days are over, women have iphones, there is wealth already here, they just let go that more wealth is better, and more are buying into being comfortable in life.

It's looks like she was looking for a certain something but didn't know what it was/is yet. Not necessarily just chemistry but probably something else, maybe personality or something. I've known girls that are ordinary looking enough but would score a straight 10 in personality. One I knew had a number of mental health problems, yet you wouldn't know it, her personality was a straight 10 in my book and probably many others. She never had any problems getting blokes, just with keeping them lol, I think in part to her problems getting in the way but also that she got bored off guys as she magnetically attracted another.

Now if your ex-gf could attract a multi-billionaire or anywhere close then she really must have a lot going for her. If she is in the 9-10 category in looks and personality then such a girl can really go for the big time or maybe looks and intelligence. Normally a top girl just comes top in one category but if she comes top in two or three then that really is a big deal indeed.

Take Hollywood stars, few of them are there by luck, if any. To my mind it's always (or nearly always) because they are top women. If you look at female actresses most are very pretty but if you You Tube them you will probably find they tend to have real bubbly personalities also, someone that could meet and get in with almost anyone.

Of course there are the few exceptions of actresses that play the angry women/old stooge role but I real life even some of them come over very well.

I think a lot of the time a woman knows her worth even if it's on a subconscious level. A woman that pegs highly in two or three categories is going to be very difficult to keep hold off unless the guy also pegs as  highly as her.

I think you're right that the old Soviet collapse days are over, they were the real easy times for a guy to get in there with women. Even since I started around 2016 I think it was each year it seems to be getting more and more like the west in terms of commodities and living I guess, infrastructure, etc. Still probably some poor areas I mostly wonder how Ukraine's economy may fair with the virus. My thoughts are that won't properly kick in till next year depending on what happens.
Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: japtats on October 18, 2020, 03:48:40 PM
Now if your ex-gf could attract a multi-billionaire or anywhere close then she really must have a lot going for her. If she is in the 9-10 category in looks and personality then such a girl can really go for the big time or maybe looks and intelligence. Normally a top girl just comes top in one category but if she comes top in two or three then that really is a big deal indeed.

She was around 183cm, beautiful, great body, scholarship in top university in Moscow to be a Dr, gold medals for her studies at 16 (I think top 100 or 1000 get it in Russia, something like this). She spent hours in the gym each time (few times a week).

Looks wise i found women on par with her, but didn't tick the boxes she did. One girl was 18/19, stunning face, we got on well, till she told me she doesn't care about her weight , and when she will get old she will get fat (deadly serious, she had a good body already, but when i realised that is what she wanted. I aborted, and got her coach tickets home . I had many women i cut out for various reason, you got to be smart and find a woman who has drive to improve herself.

I don't want to be the 90% of people at 40-50 overweight, hating their life. I take care of myself, and need someone who takes care of herself (i can provide etc, but she needs to do her bit)
Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: Trenchcoat on October 19, 2020, 04:30:52 AM
She was around 183cm, beautiful, great body, scholarship in top university in Moscow to be a Dr, gold medals for her studies at 16 (I think top 100 or 1000 get it in Russia, something like this). She spent hours in the gym each time (few times a week).

Looks wise i found women on par with her, but didn't tick the boxes she did. One girl was 18/19, stunning face, we got on well, till she told me she doesn't care about her weight , and when she will get old she will get fat (deadly serious, she had a good body already, but when i realised that is what she wanted. I aborted, and got her coach tickets home . I had many women i cut out for various reason, you got to be smart and find a woman who has drive to improve herself.

I don't want to be the 90% of people at 40-50 overweight, hating their life. I take care of myself, and need someone who takes care of herself (i can provide etc, but she needs to do her bit)

Unless that girl you sent home was just saying it to test you. I know Boethius has said to me in the past here about my 'attitude' towards fat women, misogyny, etc. Upon reflection after several years I think she may have a point. I myself still don't like fat women, it's one of the most grotesque sights a man can witness and sends out very bad signals toost men. However, I can see that while a woman may not be or intend to get fat making any comment on such could show you as not a good character as women view it. They could view it as the guy being shallow and vain, just into her because of looks, won't stick by her if problems arise, not a nice guy, etc, etc. Exposing the ins and outs and what it means to a guy (you) could be more trouble than it's worth, it would count on the girl 'getting it' from a guys perspective and that is likely to be a struggle, odds are she would still see it from the above woman's perspective.

Honestly, if an opportunity to speak out on the subject came up and I valued being with the girl now I would just keep quiet. Fine to have the gym mentality and keep yourself good and lead by example and hope the woman follows suit but to say anything or react to 'the scene' of a fat chick just isn't worth it in my opinion. I of course would still be appalled at the sight of it deep down but it's a sight that is getting so common these days that it's not quite as stop in your tracks as it used to be. I think it's kind of like a hot woman you then find out is a gold digger, it lowers the quality of that woman right down. So I think women see it as lowering the quality of a man right down as so few really understand it properly from a male perspective. It's kind of like how if parents have a pretty daughter they try and teach her to not say bad stuff about people so then she scores higher marks personality wise, kind of bull as what she might really feel is kept surpressed so it's really more to big herself up.

When I was with Kherson girl in Cyprus on the last day I was at the beach and there was this humoungously fat woman on the beach. I mean she was on the beach struggling to stay upright, she was so fat the sand was giving under her feet. I pointed this out to Kherson girl as she was such a sight, she made some comment back about me probably wanting some of it as a joke, lol. Thing is time over again I would probably keep quiet on it as for all I knew pointing stuff like that out could torpedo a relationship with a girl/make you look like a bad guy. I don't think the relationship was a goer with her for other reasons but in general I think I would avoid such a topic altogether in future. It's not really going to change girls that just don't get it and go fat, they will still choose that option but be oblivious as to why they can't get a guy (in many but not all cases), they will trash their score as quality women but not want to be told the truth as to why.

Anyhow, on another note I would really say be realistic with the girl you can achieve. If a girl you like has dumped you/fallen out then consider the reason why, the surface argument etc may just hide the mechanics of what it's really all about. Your ex was super hot and intelligent, that is two big 9-10 scores so a girl like that is likely to be tough to get and keep hold off, other top guys around to take her fancy to. I think at the moment you're probably at your peak age for being able to get women so there's probably not going to be a better time for you than roughly around the age you are now. So it's your best time to get a quality chick now in my opinion before the good ones are all gone, and they do go fast believe me. Once you get into your thirties, particularly mid thirties and thereafter most of the good ones have gone and unless you have real big scores on the wealth, etc front then odds are you'll struggle to a much younger girl that you can now get that is good. So whilst you need to get a girl that suits I would be careful about being too choosey. Better in my view to get a girl now with the odd issue than be only able to get one a few years from now with loads of issues in my opinion.
Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: japtats on October 19, 2020, 05:33:01 AM
We broke up because i was broke, i was working part-time whilst setting up my business, 2 months into my business i quit my part-time work, and focused solely on my business. I kept on taking bold risks, people were trying to ruin my business which got me mini panic attacks (it damaged the market in which my business was in for others), it got a bit much for her, she broke up with me an said it was because i was broke (I was literally living on nothing, i didn't have money to go to the gym at times), she was crying when she did it, i cried also, but 20mins later went back to work, and was focused on myself, week later wanted me back,  she was going through a lot of pain, we met again in december and waited for each other, but when we met again my emotions were gone, she told her mother my eyes had changed. She wanted me back, but i couldn't do it, i couldn't go back to the old me, i had my guard up, i still do. The distance got to her, if i was around, it probably wouldn't have happened, she needed me there, she was going through certain things (fake friends), so she needed someone there. Throughout the relationship with video chatted daily for 2 hours, we both did our stuff, and made time for each other.

We were both focused on making it work, i was going to move down to Moscow, get a business registration, start a family, get married, she finish her studies and possibly stay in russia or go to the west (whichever she preferred). She was committed. In January , mid Jan, my business took off, and that is what confused me, her and her mother, why things clicked just a few weeks after we officially ended. She would say if i had the money, everything was perfect, there was nothing else. I think it was something i had to go through in life, i really value that year, because i met her, she broke me, and i picked myself up. I am a fairly spiritual person, and i think the whole thing was a really valuable thing in my life , i never hated her, when she ended things with me i kept telling herself not to blame herself, i took responsibility for not earning enough (i think the mentality of taking responsibility was critical for me to change my situation)
Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: japtats on October 19, 2020, 05:53:53 AM
I know Boethius has said to me in the past here about my 'attitude' towards fat women, misogyny, etc

Do you think women don't judge men based on their looks? Women are just as worse as men, men are just more upfront. I met women who were social justice warriors, they would be in my bed saying 'why do ugly people exist' laughing.


They could view it as the guy being shallow and vain, just into her because of looks, won't stick by her if problems arise, not a nice guy, etc, etc

Why do you think i don't know what is going on with Brexit? Donald Trump? I don't watch tv, not football, nothing. I wake up, go gym , work, and sleep and repeat. I don't request any woman to follow my routine, but i been with MANY women, MANY are lazy, constantly on instagram etc , can't be asked to do much.

You get what you are willing to accept in life, not what you deserve. I have a list of what i want from a woman, i tell women, and they laugh, they say it is not much. Go gym (like me), care for the family (i will help of course), and care for the home, little tasks, they can choose not to work as long as they can do the rest. My ex fiance was a monster who could do it all.

I think at the moment you're probably at your peak age for being able to get women so there's probably not going to be a better time for you than roughly around the age you are now. So it's your best time to get a quality chick now in my opinion before the good ones are all gone, and they do go fast believe me. Once you get into your thirties, particularly mid thirties and thereafter most of the good ones have gone and unless you have real big scores on the wealth, etc front then odds are you'll struggle to a much younger girl that you can now get that is good. So whilst you need to get a girl that suits I would be careful about being too choosey. Better in my view to get a girl now with the odd issue than be only able to get one a few years from now with loads of issues in my opinion.


Not sure, last year by this time, my ex fiance ended it with me, i was struggling with my business, now i built it up , my brother works with me , and we are hopeful of the future. My situation now is way different to me last year. If i was in a 9 to 5, getting a 15% raise every 5 years, then fair. But that is not me, i am going full out on the way i look, my business. But you have a valid point, as you get older , 'good ones' fade. But i do believe there is many good women at around 30, they had experiences, know what they want, and want to settle down, and fully commit to someone.

I think the 18 to 25 age bracket is too turbulent for settle down with, so a bit more time isn't really a bad thing for me. I could see myself 45 being with someone who is 30ish.

I am talking to the woman i showed pics of our messages , she is physically fit, gym, i found out yesterday we have a lot of chemistry in what we like sexually, we are very compatible. There is always someone around the corner (we still need to meet) but who knows what life throws at you. I know there is still 2.5 months in this year and i will use those very wisely.
Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: Trenchcoat on October 19, 2020, 11:14:54 AM
Do you think women don't judge men based on their looks? Women are just as worse as men, men are just more upfront. I met women who were social justice warriors, they would be in my bed saying 'why do ugly people exist' laughing.


Why do you think i don't know what is going on with Brexit? Donald Trump? I don't watch tv, not football, nothing. I wake up, go gym , work, and sleep and repeat. I don't request any woman to follow my routine, but i been with MANY women, MANY are lazy, constantly on instagram etc , can't be asked to do much.

You get what you are willing to accept in life, not what you deserve. I have a list of what i want from a woman, i tell women, and they laugh, they say it is not much. Go gym (like me), care for the family (i will help of course), and care for the home, little tasks, they can choose not to work as long as they can do the rest. My ex fiance was a monster who could do it all.


Not sure, last year by this time, my ex fiance ended it with me, i was struggling with my business, now i built it up , my brother works with me , and we are hopeful of the future. My situation now is way different to me last year. If i was in a 9 to 5, getting a 15% raise every 5 years, then fair. But that is not me, i am going full out on the way i look, my business. But you have a valid point, as you get older , 'good ones' fade. But i do believe there is many good women at around 30, they had experiences, know what they want, and want to settle down, and fully commit to someone.

I think the 18 to 25 age bracket is too turbulent for settle down with, so a bit more time isn't really a bad thing for me. I could see myself 45 being with someone who is 30ish.

I am talking to the woman i showed pics of our messages , she is physically fit, gym, i found out yesterday we have a lot of chemistry in what we like sexually, we are very compatible. There is always someone around the corner (we still need to meet) but who knows what life throws at you. I know there is still 2.5 months in this year and i will use those very wisely.

I think exactly the same with women being as or more superficial than men but men showing it more. I think we're pretty much all superficial, many don't like to admit it but it's true I believe. It took me a long while before I noticed women were just as superficial. Back when I was younger girls were full of it, the 'you shouldn't be like this or that, you shouldn't say this or that or think this or that' to some guy who would comment on a chubby chick or something.Some guys of course will come out with that rubbish too but it's all  just to score points with the opposite sex, mainly though it tends to be women. Some would say it's more socially skilled being that way but I see it as people falling into two types:

1). Those that are honest and will tell you if you have a fat arse if you ask them.

2). Those that are deceitful and will tell you, you have no problem even though they are quietly thinking, hell yeah you've got a fat arse.

I just can't be deceitful, I will often try to soften the blow and put it as gently as I can or if it's too awkward just say I don't know, but in no way can I bring myself to tell someone they are fine when I feel otherwise.

That if course will earn me no points but I couldn't live with feeling deceitful, it would be a feeling against all that I am. Women I think find it easier to be deceitful, some even get off on it I think lol though of course there will be those that aren't as well.

Anyway, it sounds like you are now doing well in your business which is a good thing, that will make you more appealing. I'm surprised you're running a business in Ukraine though, one problem is people in general don't earn on average as much as in the west the other problem is corruption and opposition like you seem to have had. Most guys will either have an income from abroad so it can't be gotten at in Ukraine or just work remotely from Ukraine from their laptop for Employers or customers abroad, i.e like IT, etc, but if you can make it work then all is good I guess.

Only thing I would say with the women is that 18-25 they are probably going to flutter around a bit trying to find the best deal/real deal depending on how good a girl they are, so you've pretty much seen that. However getting a girl in her early thirties when you are 45 will again probably depend on what you have to offer her. Even a girl in her early thirties will want to date a similar age range unless there is a real big reason not too so I would be careful of that situation.
Title: Japtats Trip report
Post by: 2tallbill on October 19, 2020, 12:21:08 PM
That's interesting info Bill :) Yep I recall you saying that stuff before, you're no doubt right. They might be fun for a short while but I think I recall you saying they weren't that good for sex either at that age also.

What I said is that Older girls are much better at it.

You are pontificating more than the person writing the TR.
Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: japtats on October 19, 2020, 12:43:38 PM
What I said is that Older girls are much better at it.

You are pontificating more than the person writing the TR.

Depends what type of guy you are, if you are the one in control or the other way round  ;D


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Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: Trenchcoat on October 19, 2020, 01:31:50 PM
What I said is that Older girls are much better at it.

You are pontificating more than the person writing the TR.

Ah, nearly there :D

Yes I do like to pontificate, lol
Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: Trenchcoat on October 19, 2020, 01:39:48 PM
Anyway to continue my pontificating I must also say that Japs is really breaking ground with his business and that can be pretty tough to do. A lot of people in society just think you can start up in almost anything and it takes off. Rarely does that happen though, often a lot of work or money goes in sometimes both and then there is no guarantee of it generating enough money sometimes ever. I often have ideas for businesses only to realise after analysing it and thinking about it that it would really end up a slow boat going nowhere. In fact much money might be lost in trying to set one up rather than gaining money. At the moment a business idea has come along that I can run remotely without giving up the day job, so this one looks a decent enough idea to really give it a bash. Still no guarantee it will work but has passed enough hurdles in my mind for me to give it a go I think.
Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: japtats on October 19, 2020, 02:01:48 PM
Anyway, it sounds like you are now doing well in your business which is a good thing, that will make you more appealing.

I am doing okay, still only a year in , still a lot more to grow, which i think what attracts the women i date. They see how hard i work, and believe i can reach the goal i envision. I have enough to live very comfortably here, so that is the main thing.

. I'm surprised you're running a business in Ukraine though,

All my clients are westerners, or from the Gulf.



Only thing I would say with the women is that 18-25 they are probably going to flutter around a bit trying to find the best deal/real deal depending on how good a girl they are, so you've pretty much seen that.

I think you are right.


Even a girl in her early thirties will want to date a similar age range unless there is a real big reason not too so I would be careful of that situation.

I believe by that age i will out perform the men my age more than i do now. It is a marathon not a race. I feel nowhere near my full potential.
Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: BC on October 19, 2020, 02:29:05 PM
Anyway to continue my pontificating

LOL.. I'd be more interested in the rest of japtats Trip Report ;)

Maybe let's let him get on with it?
Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: Trenchcoat on October 19, 2020, 02:54:41 PM
LOL.. I'd be more interested in the rest of japtats Trip Report ;)

Maybe let's let him get on with it?

Indeed, sorry all I tend to waffle on a bit at time, anyway yes Japs please continue :)
Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: japtats on October 19, 2020, 03:24:41 PM
I actually prefer if people shared their stories if they found similar experiences.I don't have much to report, i rarely meet people, only if i am physically attracted to them.

I met someone a few days in coming to this city, she really liked me, came to my place next day, she pushed me away when i tried to make things physical, said i was too fast. She had issues with her last relationship, i knew it was the case when meeting her, she was basically beaten (not first woman i came across). But the only difference is she was really damaged mentally, hated all men (told me) etc, few days later she messages me, wondering who i am meeting etc, wanting to meet again, but flaking , So i know she is a dead end, i don't really want to sleep with her, because i don't want to be one of the men who hurt her (i am attracted to her).

Now i am talking to this woman, she really eager to meet me (we are exchanging mild photos) , but her mum is visiting, she said in a few days she will be able to meet. I like her, it seems like we get on, what we want from each other, tattoos, fitness, sexually, she is somewhat smart (to do STEM as a masters). I could see a relationship with her.

I rarely meet people, because it takes time, i can't meet someone i am just mildly attracted to, go on X amount of dates, just for casual sex. I don't have that much time to invest in multiple people. I did talk to another girl on instagram, from the city i am in, clear english, she was absolutely stunning, fitness trainer, young, BUT IN CHINA! she loved what my business was about, and really respected it, we had exchanged many messages, but like i said..... China, but going to china for her crossed my mind hahahaha

I am approaching the whole dating thing open-minded to relationships, but also if fun comes along, i will pounce.
Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: Confederate on October 19, 2020, 07:19:30 PM
If you are actually over your ex GF then why do you keep talking about her?
Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: japtats on October 19, 2020, 10:42:55 PM
If you are actually over your ex GF then why do you keep talking about her?


Ex fiance , and I don't disagree. I am not over her, I think less about her when I am.with someone. It will take me a long time
Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: japtats on October 20, 2020, 04:09:39 AM
I messaged the woman who flaked on me a few times , due to her mistrust in men , I told her I am meeting someone , and she needs to decide what she wants . She said she will come over tonight , women are complex as hell
Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: Trenchcoat on October 20, 2020, 04:20:25 AM
Ok Japs doesn't mind so I'll interject :D

For me at least in the west girls in STEM I would be kind of unsure of dating. While their STEM may be good usually they are lacking in other areas, looks, social skills, social awareness, awkward, shy, etc. I kind of think if I were to have kids with such women then the kids would kind of cop it on that front. From what I've seen there often tends to be a trade off between brains and looks. Tends to get more pronounced when you get to pretty blonde girls, rarely have I come across a pretty blonde girl who is also intelligent, pretty brunettes that have intelligence are more common but even then they only tend to be so intelligent. Over time I've become more interested in what is often referred to as Social Intelligence rather than Academic Intelligence, basically those girls that can be good in social situations with many people or at least decent. For me the ideal is a person who doesn't flounder when in either the academic or a social environment.
Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: John Gaunt on October 20, 2020, 05:40:08 AM
Ok Japs doesn't mind so I'll interject :D

For me at least in the west girls in STEM I would be kind of unsure of dating. While their STEM may be good usually they are lacking in other areas, looks, social skills, social awareness, awkward, shy, etc. I kind of think if I were to have kids with such women then the kids would kind of cop it on that front. From what I've seen there often tends to be a trade off between brains and looks. Tends to get more pronounced when you get to pretty blonde girls, rarely have I come across a pretty blonde girl who is also intelligent, pretty brunettes that have intelligence are more common but even then they only tend to be so intelligent. Over time I've become more interested in what is often referred to as Social Intelligence rather than Academic Intelligence, basically those girls that can be good in social situations with many people or at least decent. For me the ideal is a person who doesn't flounder when in either the academic or a social environment.
Thatís because youíre afraid of being involved with a woman who is smarter or better qualified than you.
That kind of person would be harder to keep housebound, would want to work probably able to earn more than you.
Youíd be terrified of her dumping you and running off with the first better option than you.
Your misogyny is well documented on this forum.
Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: japtats on October 20, 2020, 07:45:58 AM
Then my tattoo master also is , because he said go for a simple woman . Some people have fears , I guess some don't (I don't fear high status women). Not everyone can make daring decisions . Hence why most men don't even go to the fsu, the trip itself scares them . Trench like many others are just playing it safe , trying to avoid pain, only a few are willing to go through pain
Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: Patagonie on October 20, 2020, 09:02:54 AM
Ok Japs doesn't mind so I'll interject :D

For me at least in the west girls in STEM I would be kind of unsure of dating. While their STEM may be good usually they are lacking in other areas, looks, social skills, social awareness, awkward, shy, etc. I kind of think if I were to have kids with such women then the kids would kind of cop it on that front. From what I've seen there often tends to be a trade off between brains and looks. Tends to get more pronounced when you get to pretty blonde girls, rarely have I come across a pretty blonde girl who is also intelligent, pretty brunettes that have intelligence are more common but even then they only tend to be so intelligent. Over time I've become more interested in what is often referred to as Social Intelligence rather than Academic Intelligence, basically those girls that can be good in social situations with many people or at least decent. For me the ideal is a person who doesn't flounder when in either the academic or a social environment.

Trench are you really serious? 
Are you really talking about social intelligence?
Is not time to work on your?
 
Are you not doing few approximations here?
Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: ML on October 20, 2020, 10:16:16 AM
For me at least in the west girls in STEM I would be kind of unsure of dating. While their STEM may be good usually they are lacking in other areas, looks, social skills, social awareness, awkward, shy, etc.

Yep, that's my Gal.  Smart in STEM, but not too good looking.
Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: msmob on October 20, 2020, 02:54:19 PM
Acerbic wit that will go over my fellow countryman head, sadly.
Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: Trenchcoat on October 20, 2020, 03:20:14 PM

Trench are you really serious? 
Are you really talking about social intelligence?
Is not time to work on your?
 
Are you not doing few approximations here?

I feel social intelligence is largely a genetic trait as is academic intelligence. Both can be worked on and possibly improved a bit but in general it's very much assigned by genetics.

Some people are good at chatting to people for long periods of time without boring them and come across well to many people. I believe a certain amount can be learned from seeing how those with social intelligence interact but it counts on firstly realising how bad you might be and secondly how much can be picked up upon. I myself would feel that there is a limit to how much could be improved and would never be able to equal someone who was genetically socially intelligent or likely even get close.

Same is true for academic intelligence, years back I did a class in manual book-keeping. It wasn't long before I grasped that there was a process to it and it was a case of repeating the process each time and doing the maths. There was this one girl in the class though that wouldn't get it, she was bloody hard work for the poor lecturer, the lecturer was good and gave her much of her time, far more then any other student. Yet even after all of that she was too dim to get it, she kept making lots of mistakes. End of the day she was just not cut out for it and while I would not say give up or that she should feel embarrassed she would be a hard task to succeed in that field.

Rarely have I seen anyone top out in both social intelligence and academic intelligence. Normally if the person can be quite good at one and not a walking disaster in the other that is usually the best result that can be hoped for.
Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: Trenchcoat on October 20, 2020, 03:34:19 PM
Then my tattoo master also is , because he said go for a simple woman . Some people have fears , I guess some don't (I don't fear high status women). Not everyone can make daring decisions . Hence why most men don't even go to the fsu, the trip itself scares them . Trench like many others are just playing it safe , trying to avoid pain, only a few are willing to go through pain

I think your Tattoo Master may have a point after the girls you have going at the moment maybe message some girls of fdate that are everyday looking in looks, not so much for the girl of your desires but to see what they are like. Meet up with them and I reckon a few will be less manipulative and full of the bs stuff you've come across so far. To my mind everyday looking girls will have likely learnt that they don't have the looks to get away with the stuff the real pretty girls do. Your Tattoo Master has no doubt lived in Ukraine or similar most of his life and knows the score with these women. Not saying the odd everyday looking girl might be not so great in some way but I think it would give another take on things even if you decided not to pursue them.

Myself I'm trying to avoid much risk with the virus if I can. Its not just pain or even death but the worst case scenario for me is if my health got ruined and much in the way of quality of life went. Some apparently end up with bad lungs or organs and suffer real bad health unsure if whether it is permanent or may even worsen over time.
Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: Trenchcoat on October 20, 2020, 03:38:18 PM
Yep, that's my Gal.  Smart in STEM, but not too good looking.

So she doesn't run off with another guy, lol. There is something too that I think but if you have children the kids who are attractive looking get a way easier time dating when they get to their teens. I've never seen a high school movie yet where the computer geek is being lusted over, make it female.
Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: msmob on October 20, 2020, 11:12:54 PM
So she doesn't run off with another guy, lol. There is something too that I think

ML, as predicted ..Whoosh .. RIGHT over Trench's head  :ROFL:

but if you have children the kids who are attractive looking get a way easier time dating when they get to their teens. I've never seen a high school movie yet where the computer geek is being lusted over, make it female.



Trench hasn't even watched 'Ugly Betty' http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0805669/






Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: japtats on October 21, 2020, 02:35:10 AM
I will reply later , but I was in the taxi today with a Georgian man , we were laughing at how Ukrainian women are beautiful, but DANGEROUS. He confirmed what I already knew , Georgian women are what men would define as good girls , I jokingly said no tattoos , he laughed and nodded .

The girl flaked on me last night , I might meet the girl I been communicating with , tonight ,  not 100% on the time as her mum is visiting , one thing is that Ukrainian women are flaky but eventually we meet and things go well
Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: Trenchcoat on October 21, 2020, 03:20:48 AM
ML, as predicted ..Whoosh .. RIGHT over Trench's head  :ROFL:



Trench hasn't even watched 'Ugly Betty' http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0805669/

Ok the odd female one may be hanging around but in general it's not seen in a admirable way. For guys it's even more sparse, it's pretty much always the high school jock or (for girls) cheerleader that is racing away with all the dates.
Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: Trenchcoat on October 21, 2020, 03:31:16 AM
Trench hasn't even watched 'Ugly Betty' http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0805669/

In any case no I have never watched 'Ugly Betty' I've seen it advertised and it looked like some American comedy to me. So rather making fun of such as situation I presume where guys are chasing a geeky girl. In any case I doubt you had guys tuning in to drool over Ugly Betty.
Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: japtats on October 21, 2020, 08:45:10 AM
Well the woman I met a while ago says she is sick, which is true , but she wants to come 12am (midnight) she says if I meet the other woman she will understand. But I am meeting the other woman today , just funny how people play games , for stupid prizes .

Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: msmob on October 21, 2020, 09:39:33 AM
He confirmed what I already knew , Georgian women are what men would define as good girls , I jokingly said no tattoos , he laughed and nodded .

Hmm, you DO know I spent 97 days in Tbilisi and Batumi from March '19 to '20 and your Georgian friend is walking around with his eyes firmly closed.

google: tattoo parlour tbilisi or tattoo parlour batumi or even kutaisi



 

Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: japtats on October 21, 2020, 10:23:59 AM
In the taxi about to meet the lady , been a rough day ,but I feel so blessed to meet beautiful women , create good memories, and everything is cheap. I encourage people to go to FSU, you may not find love, but you will create long lasting memories
Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: japtats on October 21, 2020, 04:13:33 PM
Met her , we went for some tea at 10pm, back to my place , all was good , but condom broke , she left in tears . I doubt we will meet again , which is a shame , as there was chemistry physically speaking , also somewhat emotional. Feeling a bit gutted, but I realise now that there are women that fit my desires , and gives me some ideas
Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: BillyB on October 21, 2020, 08:08:33 PM


I encourage people to go to FSU, you may not find love, but you will create long lasting memories



Agree. It's an adventure I'm glad I've experienced.




Met her , we went for some tea at 10pm, back to my place , all was good , but condom broke , she left in tears . I doubt we will meet again , which is a shame , as there was chemistry physically speaking , also somewhat emotional. Feeling a bit gutted, but I realise now that there are women that fit my desires , and gives me some ideas



You felt there was chemistry but a broken condom got her upset to the point she may not want to hook up with you again? Is she blaming you for buying the condom? Some girls supply the the condoms before sex since they don't trust the men. Some girls trust men to pull out in time while having sex without condoms. Different stokes for different folks.
Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: Trenchcoat on October 21, 2020, 08:32:12 PM
Met her , we went for some tea at 10pm, back to my place , all was good , but condom broke , she left in tears . I doubt we will meet again , which is a shame , as there was chemistry physically speaking , also somewhat emotional. Feeling a bit gutted, but I realise now that there are women that fit my desires , and gives me some ideas

Just tell her there's more chance she'll catch Covid than get an STD, that should bring her around ;D
Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: japtats on October 21, 2020, 10:55:51 PM
She didn't blame me for the condoms , actually durex , she is worried about pregnancy, not even std . She messaged me that she got home and glad she met me. I told her I Will give her space, if she wants to meet again, we can, and to rest.

Just a bad way for the first time to go, but i learnt a few things, also she is the type of a person to push someone away when things get stressful. Still early days, if we do meet up, i need to understand her a bit. In the date she was telling me she has no fears, she is young, but when this came along , it was like her whole life got crushed.

She has little fears when it comes to jumping off a building with rope, being dominated, but when it comes to life, she is scared as hell.
Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: Confederate on October 21, 2020, 11:48:47 PM
She didn't blame me for the condoms , actually durex , she is worried about pregnancy, not even std . She messaged me that she got home and glad she met me. I told her I Will give her space, if she wants to meet again, we can, and to rest.

Just a bad way for the first time to go

Note to Romeo:

You're supposed to buy lubrication when you purchase condoms.
Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: msmob on October 22, 2020, 03:29:09 AM
Just tell her there's more chance she'll catch Covid than get an STD, that should bring her around ;D

Trench,

You may be didn't know that the use of condoms primary function is to prevent pregnancy?

If one is having sex with a near total stranger and she gets pregnant....

Condoms do not stop STIs like Herpes...
Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: japtats on October 22, 2020, 04:41:49 AM
Lady from last night thanked me today for the perfume I got her , better than flowers , women are flaky and often reschedule, so perfume is easier.

I messaged the other woman this morning, and she wants to meet tonight . I like the girl last night though and would like to see her as some type of relationship , but unsure how she feels after what happened.

Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: japtats on October 22, 2020, 05:30:41 AM
Seems like she enjoyed last night and wants to meet again, we will see how it goes. i just want to transition from the dating part to the part where i can work, enjoy the perks of a relationship.  :P
Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: japtats on October 22, 2020, 11:32:42 AM
Meeting her again tonight, I told her I would pay the medical bills , the doctors said she needs an ultra sound and such ,£20 for it all. They wi maybe prescribe medication , which I will pay for , she insisted she would pay half , but I refused , she insisted again but again I refused . I think she want to make this relationship work , early days , but I noticed something about her during last night , deep down she wants someone who cares for her , she puts an act , but she is craving the care
Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: Confederate on October 22, 2020, 01:34:35 PM
Meeting her again tonight, I told her I would pay the medical bills , the doctors said she needs an ultra sound and such ,£20 for it all. They wi maybe prescribe medication , which I will pay for , she insisted she would pay half , but I refused , she insisted again but again I refused . I think she want to make this relationship work , early days , but I noticed something about her during last night , deep down she wants someone who cares for her , she puts an act , but she is craving the care

Good for you!  :clapping:
Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: japtats on October 23, 2020, 12:11:01 PM
My tattoo session today went terrible, i had lack of sleep. We met again last night, and it seems she is getting closer to me. I can tell by the way she grabs my arm as we leave. She wants to try and help me, i got at the moment too much on my plate. I gave her around $50 for the medical today, and extra to buy pills, which she found out today covered everything, which she appreciates.

I like her, last night she told me more about her work (i was digging into why she chose to study law). She is actually a humanitarian lawyer, but helps people who are convicted of terrible crimes (rape, murder etc). She said everyone deserves humanity, no matter the crime, nobody deserves to be tortured, which i found cool. As my business is about helping people, so we found actual common ground (other than sex).

I want her to move in (she has her own place and i think she wants to space), maybe early days . I just overthink stuff sometimes. I need to care more about my health.


My brother joins me around next month, we will get an apartment together, i am struggling to do the tattoos, a girl, working on the business, but i think it is good at the same time. I feel sort of good that i am pushing myself to my limits


Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: japtats on October 25, 2020, 04:00:46 PM
So i dropped the tattoo sessions to once a week, my body isn't healing properly , i overdid it. The woman now is a lot closer to me, we might meet up tomorrow or Tuesday, she is still on edge about the possibility of being pregnant. I don't know what i feel for her. She has good values (helping people), she wants to help me (cooking, cleaning, support me etc), but words are cheap.
Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: Trenchcoat on October 25, 2020, 09:16:11 PM
So i dropped the tattoo sessions to once a week, my body isn't healing properly , i overdid it. The woman now is a lot closer to me, we might meet up tomorrow or Tuesday, she is still on edge about the possibility of being pregnant. I don't know what i feel for her. She has good values (helping people), she wants to help me (cooking, cleaning, support me etc), but words are cheap.

Do you have a plan of what tattoos you want before you go in Japs or do you decide when in there? Just interested.

With the woman I reckon just relax and see how it goes. She'll either turn out to be the one or she won't. It's unusual for women out there to concerned for others as you know but there's always exceptions. Possibly she might have picked up on you wanting someone caring, Ukrainian women can be quite adept at picking up on stuff. Odds could be though that she may well be straight up. Could always run some of your tests to see I guess.
Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: msmob on October 26, 2020, 12:59:56 AM


It's unusual for women out there to concerned for others

Trench,

What ARE you blabbing about?

If you are in a relationship with a woman that is loving, caring for each other is a given.
Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: japtats on October 26, 2020, 01:19:48 AM
Do you have a plan of what tattoos you want before you go in Japs or do you decide when in there? Just interested.

Plans, i see other artists works, and pick some i like. Even with the best artists, maybe 1 out of the 10 i like, my tattoos are all from different artists.



With the woman I reckon just relax and see how it goes. She'll either turn out to be the one or she won't.

Agreed

It's unusual for women out there to concerned for others as you know but there's always exceptions. Possibly she might have picked up on you wanting someone caring, Ukrainian women can be quite adept at picking up on stuff.

I do believe she cares, initially we both started off talking about Bondage and Domination (sex), she is really into that scene (So am i, but i have a different style). When it came to it , all went well, but i also mix in some caring stuff (sexually), and bondages/domination, she craves the caring side of me, and loves that. We met twice, after the second time, she was grabbing my arm when we were going out, holding me very tightly. She wants to help me , as i have a lot on my plate that i am trying to pull off.

But honestly all the women i met were the same, everyone wants to help me , but the real test comes when something bad happens in life. It is like the marines, they build up that trust through bad moments, at the moment my life isn't in the red zone, it is easy to support someone when things are good, but how do they react when i am in the red zone?

I been analysing (with my brother), why Russia and Ukraine have so many aggressive people, but not many world class boxers (compared to the west). The amateur scene (Olympics and under), FSU do well, but when it comes to professional, not many fighters.
Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: BdHvA on October 26, 2020, 05:47:15 PM
Perhaps you might want to google who the present mayor of Kyiv is and let RWD know his background.
Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: BillyB on October 26, 2020, 05:58:35 PM
Perhaps you might want to google who the present mayor of Kyiv is and let RWD know his background.


Check out his Ukrainian brother too. Also Russians do extremely well in mix martial arts producing some of the best if not the best fighters ever.
Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: Hammer2722 on October 26, 2020, 08:44:02 PM
Perhaps you might want to google who the present mayor of Kyiv is and let RWD know his background.


Maybe he hasn't heard of the Klitschko bros.....
Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: japtats on October 26, 2020, 11:58:58 PM
Boxing is big in Ukraine,  but apart from the brothers , how many others? Don't forget , boxing is a big focus in Ukraine, so they should have way more professional champions other than two brothers.  USA 50 something , UK nearly 10. You would expect a lot more from an aggressive nation , that focuses on boxing , but they do really well in amateurs, but they fail when it comes to professional. YOu should take into account population differences also, combined population of Ukraine and Russia is 200million, and combined they produced 5 heavyweight champs, USA 300million, , over 50 champs, UK 70milion, 8 champs. The ratio of number of heavy weight champs per population is off, also USA and UK dominate other sports. Just really interesting.

Have you noticed that pros take pride in their work? It is past their financial gain, they really want to be the best. I felt people FSU have a lot of drive, when it comes to money, unmatched, when it is money you see people in FSU giving it all. THat is why they have word class coders, , unmatched in that field. But what happens when you make a bit of money? That is the difference when you become a pro, money goes out the window.

Regarding UFC , how many are there that are champs?

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_world_heavyweight_boxing_champions
Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: japtats on October 27, 2020, 12:24:18 PM
Me and her were meant to meet yesterday, but she was studying, she is spending time with her grandmother, and it is hard for her to juggle everything. She keep texting me, but it feels like we won't see much of each other , as she is very busy. I sort of stuck my foot in it, and said maybe it won't work out if she is so busy, she snapped and said it was her grandmother, now i don't know what is up. But this whole situation if grim, we get on but too much background noise.
Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: BillyB on October 27, 2020, 02:29:26 PM
Regarding UFC , how many are there that are champs?



Khabib Nurmagonmedov from Russia is 29-0 in 12 years of MMA and is undefeated and just retired. He's considered one of the greatest MMA fighters ever. He easily beat Conor McGregor

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khabib_Nurmagomedov

If a poll was taken, I'd bet Ukrainian born Fedor Emelianenko would be voted best MMA fighter ever. Although he didn't fight in the UFC, he fought in the tougher Pride of Japan. The guy was a beast in the ring. Dana White's biggest regret is not signing Fedor.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fedor_Emelianenko
Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: japtats on October 27, 2020, 02:41:35 PM

Khabib Nurmagonmedov from Russia is 29-0 in 12 years of MMA and is undefeated and just retired. He's considered one of the greatest MMA fighters ever. He easily beat Conor McGregor

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khabib_Nurmagomedov



He is from Dagestan, different breed of people. I been near to that part, south of Russia. Not people you mess about with, and it is very different from FSU. They are actually everything i admire, warriors, keep to their word, will fight till the death to defend their honour. Not easily found in FSU, or Western countries.
Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: Trenchcoat on October 28, 2020, 03:01:40 PM

But honestly all the women i met were the same, everyone wants to help me , but the real test comes when something bad happens in life. It is like the marines, they build up that trust through bad moments, at the moment my life isn't in the red zone, it is easy to support someone when things are good, but how do they react when i am in the red zone?

I been analysing (with my brother), why Russia and Ukraine have so many aggressive people

It probably comes down to the traditional model of women supporting the man in their pursuit. Since you are seen as hard working and working towards a big goal it probably triggers it off in them.

I think the aggressiveness probably comes from history, their environment, etc. Not all are of course but I've seen some of it (not meaning I got involved in fights or anything) just I'll mannered. In the airport in Moscow some big bald guy started to push his trolley into me just to get into the lift, no thought given. To some extent you get aggressive people in other places normally grotty city areas so I think environment has a lot to do with it, the environment around them becomes them.
Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: japtats on October 28, 2020, 04:05:56 PM
It probably comes down to the traditional model of women supporting the man in their pursuit. Since you are seen as hard working and working towards a big goal it probably triggers it off in them.


You are probably right, they find me dependable, they seen my work ethic. The woman at the start, didn't want to know anything about me, it was just sexual, even when we met, after she was shocked, and switched her tune. She constantly messages me, worried how i am , wants to care for me etc.

They don't understand where my work ethic comes from, because it is not for financial gain , which is why when i talk to them about my goals, get always tear up, because it is true passion. A perspective that allowed me to hang in there during bad times, and justify the work i am putting in.


All the women i met have been very supportive, but the last few days i realised how many women i actually have hurt though. Unintentionally, they form an attachment, and have high hopes.


Me and the woman i am seeing now, haven't met for the third time, she is busy, but constantly texts me. SHe is busy visiting her gran in the hospital, and then comes home to study for her masters. So we don't have much time. But hopefully next week her grandmother will be better.
Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: Trenchcoat on October 29, 2020, 05:10:53 PM
Japs, would you now say that you would prefer relationships with women and just go with it lasting however long it lasts and enjoy it like that?

To my mind it could be a case of it not mattering whether it just ends up short term or long term, maybe even a long term relationship for life or most off it. That perhaps it could be more fulfilling to live like that than go the marriage route and end up at some point of feeling stuck with someone in an unhappy marriage situation. I think a lot of people get into marriage to avoid being lonely or it becomes the reason the marriage goes on. I wonder though if life could be more fulfilling by having a variety of relationships and being with people with different personalities and who offer each a different enrichment into their partners life than the same old person day in and out. That in a way marriage holds people against their will in a relationship neither are that happy in but they continue to endure it for fear of ending up in a position of not having anything left to go to as they end up seeing it, whether true or not.
Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: japtats on October 30, 2020, 08:32:56 AM
Japs, would you now say that you would prefer relationships with women and just go with it lasting however long it lasts and enjoy it like that?


I am not planning on anything, if someone comes along which takes my breath away, then i will hold on tight. 5 years ago i said something, which ticked off many people, i grow with age, and that is 100% true. The women i get now, i struggled to get before. I am in the worse physical condition i ever been in (Bald to get a hair transplant in Turkey, paid the deposit), outofshape because i had to take time off gym for my tattoos.

Just yesterday i introduced something to my business, that pushes it much further, my girlfriend now think i am a genius and is proud of me. I kept adding stuff to my business, which the women i dated , found really interesting. I think a lot of the women i dated were interested in where i am going, rather than where i am at. They know the path i taken in life, and understand i ALWAYS get there in the end, it is just a rough road. A lot of people are scared of going full out in stuff, so my path is always the most interesting one for them, because the guys they dated used to talk, but not try and do.

That perhaps it could be more fulfilling to live like that than go the marriage route and end up at some point of feeling stuck with someone in an unhappy marriage situation. I think a lot of people get into marriage to avoid being lonely or it becomes the reason the marriage goes on. I wonder though if life could be more fulfilling by having a variety of relationships and being with people with different personalities and who offer each a different enrichment into their partners life than the same old person day in and out. That in a way marriage holds people against their will in a relationship neither are that happy in but they continue to endure it for fear of ending up in a position of not having anything left to go to as they end up seeing it, whether true or not.

A woman once joked that i don't need a baby, i already have one, and that is my work (and my other goals). I had a girlfriend who went to hospital because of a ruptured ovary, i didn't ask her how she was, i woke up 7am, got to work, she was doing my tattoos, living with me at the time. I gave her no attention, not because i was heartless, but because i am in love with my goals. My tattoos, my business, i take care of my goals. I paid her medical bills, which was around $600. She and many people don't understand me, i am just way too focused, to care about people , it is like a light switch, and i find it hard to switch off for just anyone. I need someone i truly care for, and for now, only thing i care about is myself.

I know the path i taken in life is a good one, i am helping many people with my business, doing good vibes, and good things will come my way, as long as i develop, which i am. I am not worried that age will destroy, because i know the process i am in is working in my favour
Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: Confederate on October 30, 2020, 02:40:37 PM
I am not planning on anything, if someone comes along which takes my breath away, then i will hold on tight. 5 years ago i said something, which ticked off many people, i grow with age, and that is 100% true. The women i get now, i struggled to get before. I am in the worse physical condition i ever been in (Bald to get a hair transplant in Turkey, paid the deposit), outofshape because i had to take time off gym for my tattoos.

Just yesterday i introduced something to my business, that pushes it much further, my girlfriend now think i am a genius and is proud of me. I kept adding stuff to my business, which the women i dated , found really interesting. I think a lot of the women i dated were interested in where i am going, rather than where i am at. They know the path i taken in life, and understand i ALWAYS get there in the end, it is just a rough road. A lot of people are scared of going full out in stuff, so my path is always the most interesting one for them, because the guys they dated used to talk, but not try and do.

A woman once joked that i don't need a baby, i already have one, and that is my work (and my other goals). I had a girlfriend who went to hospital because of a ruptured ovary, i didn't ask her how she was, i woke up 7am, got to work, she was doing my tattoos, living with me at the time. I gave her no attention, not because i was heartless, but because i am in love with my goals. My tattoos, my business, i take care of my goals. I paid her medical bills, which was around $600. She and many people don't understand me, i am just way too focused, to care about people , it is like a light switch, and i find it hard to switch off for just anyone. I need someone i truly care for, and for now, only thing i care about is myself.

I know the path i taken in life is a good one, i am helping many people with my business, doing good vibes, and good things will come my way, as long as i develop, which i am. I am not worried that age will destroy, because i know the process i am in is working in my favour

So you're overweight, bald and you have too many tattoos.  :o

Suddenly I think Trench may have better odds than you.
Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: japtats on October 30, 2020, 02:51:12 PM
So you're overweight, bald and you have too many tattoos.  :o

Suddenly I think Trench may have better odds than you.


How I feel 🤣 the stuff I put myself through ......
Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: japtats on November 02, 2020, 08:30:12 AM
My girlfriend keeps texting me, but she had to go to Dnip, came back sunday, but i said best we meet after she comes back from Kiev, she is now in Kiev for next 5 days. I am on tinder now, checked my matches, i might meet this lady tomorrow night, she got a dance class today

(http://i.ibb.co/5TMMWk4/lol.png) (http://ibb.co/9n889hg)


I am not sure where i am going with my girlfriend, i am not sure if i actually want to be with her, issue is we haven't seen each other for a long time now.
Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: Trenchcoat on November 02, 2020, 04:03:13 PM
Ok, she looks pretty hot, you seem to date multiple women at the same time Japs, do they ever pick up on it?

I remember coming back from Cyprus via Turkey (Istanbul) back when I went there with Kherson girl. On the flight back I was sat next to a guy with a lot of tiny red pin pricks at the front of his head. I feared he might have a contagious disease but later discovered it was likely hair implant surgery. Apparently Turkey is the place to go to get good hair implant surgery on the cheap. Handy as not far from you in Ukraine of course.
Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: Confederate on November 02, 2020, 05:59:00 PM
Ok, she looks pretty hot, you seem to date multiple women at the same time Japs, do they ever pick up on it?

I remember coming back from Cyprus via Turkey (Istanbul) back when I went there with Kherson girl. On the flight back I was sat next to a guy with a lot of tiny red pin pricks at the front of his head. I feared he might have a contagious disease but later discovered it was likely hair implant surgery. Apparently Turkey is the place to go to get good hair implant surgery on the cheap. Handy as not far from you in Ukraine of course.

They're all doing the same thing. Tinder.
Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: Davo on November 02, 2020, 08:01:08 PM
They're all doing the same thing. Tinder.

Even trench can get lucky on tinder in the UK..... No need to go to Ukraine. Heís in the sweet spot being in his early 40ís with no commitments like children. Thereís a lot of newly divorced women in their late 30ís early 40ís wanting some casual fun.
Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: John Gaunt on November 02, 2020, 08:50:58 PM
Even trench can get lucky on tinder in the UK..... No need to go to Ukraine. Heís in the sweet spot being in his early 40ís with no commitments like children. Thereís a lot of newly divorced women in their late 30ís early 40ís wanting some casual fun.
According to Trench, theyíre all fat feminazis who only go for rich, good looking guys.
Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: Davo on November 02, 2020, 09:49:17 PM
According to Trench, theyíre all fat feminazis who only go for rich, good looking guys.

No offence to trench, but heís never been in a relationship or dated a woman in the UK, how would he know? 😉..... If he actually interacted with local women he might find the opposite and they arenít any different to FSU women, except for the accent and some cultural and communication differences. Most see feminism exactly the way FSU women do.... Equal rights and for FSU especially equal pay.

I donít know where he finds all these radical feminists, Iíve never met or dated one. Iíve only met women who share the same views on feminism as most men and itís a good thing. Most of the men I see who bang on about feminism are just trying to cover their lack in ability to connect emotionally with women.... The first and most important skill any guy need to be successful dating any woman on this planet.
Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: japtats on November 03, 2020, 03:45:47 AM
They're all doing the same thing. Tinder.

Tinder is no different from other online dating platforms. Why men tend to runaway from tinder is simple, they are ugly. I tried foreign dating sites, where women are seeking western men (to escape their countries). I prefer other platforms, where women WANT me to stay in their country. They never had interest in leaving their friends and families. I cringe out how trained some of these women are on these dating sites, to escape FSU. No doubt many men have been fooled in the 'i am a good girl', and have no idea what happened to their 'good girl', in her wild years.
Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: japtats on November 03, 2020, 03:49:56 AM
If he actually interacted with local women he might find the opposite and they arenít any different to FSU women, except for the accent and some cultural and communication differences.

Oh really? So FSU women you dated, insisted to split the bill with you on the first date? You would take turns on who paid next? Split the bills of the Rent and Groceries? Reason why western men do well in FSU is because of their income. Except if you have a unique look (like myself, beard, tattoos, muscles).


Most see feminism exactly the way FSU women do.... Equal rights and for FSU especially equal pay.

Uhmmmmm, radical feminism no, most of women are not radical feminists in Western culture.
Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: japtats on November 03, 2020, 03:57:18 AM
Ok, she looks pretty hot, you seem to date multiple women at the same time Japs, do they ever pick up on it?

I haven't met anyone apart from the girl i am seeing now, but we haven't seen each other for sometime, and i am wondering what i actually feel. My life is getting a bit chaotic, with the business side of stuff. I have a tenant that owes me quiet a lot of money, and i been focusing on the business me and my brother do together. I want to fix these tattoos, return to the gym, and go back to my old routine


I remember coming back from Cyprus via Turkey (Istanbul) back when I went there with Kherson girl. On the flight back I was sat next to a guy with a lot of tiny red pin pricks at the front of his head. I feared he might have a contagious disease but later discovered it was likely hair implant surgery. Apparently Turkey is the place to go to get good hair implant surgery on the cheap. Handy as not far from you in Ukraine of course.

Yes, i am booked with a good surgery in Turkey, i will go there next. There isn't a big rush for myself
Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: Davo on November 03, 2020, 05:31:08 AM
Oh really? So FSU women you dated, insisted to split the bill with you on the first date? You would take turns on who paid next? Split the bills of the Rent and Groceries? Reason why western men do well in FSU is because of their income. Except if you have a unique look (like myself, beard, tattoos, muscles).


Uhmmmmm, radical feminism no, most of women are not radical feminists in Western culture.

I think if you have another read ďCultural  differencesĒ covers the difference in dating, but really I didnít do anything different apart from giving flowers when in Russia V dating at home. Iíve been on probably 50 or so first dates with local woman since my divorce 6 years ago and a couple with Russian women and none have split the bill with me because I donít give them the option. Sure some make the token reach for their handbag, but put up little resistance when I insist. The only woman who snuck one through to the keeper was my second day with one of the FSU women. She paid for an expensive winery tour. I slipped the cash in her hand bag later that day. In fact I told her off for trying to pay for things I wouldnít let a western woman pay for too.

BTW Iíve got enough female friend ( almost old enough to be your GFís mothers) to know itís not about feminism and a women being independent, when insisting on paying her share on first dates, and everything about not feeling obligated or pressured to put out later in the evening. Very few western women will insist on paying if sheís romantically interested in you..... well in my experience that is.

My point re radical feminism is exactly that, most arenít and you canít blame feminism for not being able to date a slim woman with a nice personality. They are thick on the ground for men trench and my age..... Most hit the gym during divorce. I had dinner with 3 attractive divorced female friends Friday night. They want exactly what any FSU woman wants.... A husband whoís a gentleman, faithful, with no substance issues. Someone they can be proud of, who makes them feel safe and a man of his word. So in that respect women are the same no matter what culture they come from.

Trenches argument is he canít get the western woman he wants because feminism has caused all the attractive women go for men who have money, looks and success in life.... I might not know as much as you do re Russia, but Iím certain that attractive FSU women are no different in what they want in a man. 

If you really want to complain about things swinging too far womens way, forget the PPL sales spiel regarding feminism and just wait until youíre batting though the family court system....I still come out on top with a good lawyer, but lots of my mates havenít.

Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: japtats on November 03, 2020, 06:02:12 AM
My point was there is a BIG difference dating in FSU and dating in western culture. Even a ukrainian and FSU guy will tell you that, i asked my ukrainian tattoo master if he is dating anyone, he said no, i asked why, he replied laughing, too expensive . we both laughed. Becareful of mothers, they are smart, i know of the mother who behaved as you said, but don't doubt for one second, they are not more ruthless and cunning than their daughters. I keep in touch with my ex's mother, she is caring , but as cunning as a fox, and would slice your throat, same with a lot of the women's mothers i dated. The soviet mentality is there, good caring people, but will make a fool out of you.

Rule of thumb, just like in the west, what people say, and want are two different things. I have no issues with fenism, but media don't post feminism, it is radical feminis. I have no issues with western women. I just corrected the statement you made that they are very alike
Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: japtats on November 03, 2020, 10:24:45 AM
I was meant to meet the tinder girl today, but she rescheduled for Thursday , she is fine doing after 9pm (after i finish work). Rescheduling often happens, got another date for Sunday, but the girl seems a bit boring, too cautious as a person , she came out of a divorce, but is only 23. I am guessing from our conversations, she has a lot of baggage.

THe girl i am seeing comes back on Thursday i think, so if i don't see her on Thursday, i will see the other tinder girl. I am tired waiting for her, she was weird last night, never messaged me, then dropped me a good morning today, saying she feels depressed etc (maybe the pills?), we bickered a bit, i am so confused with her, she texts me constantly, saying she wants me, misses me etc, but we haven't see each other for sometime. I need someone easy, and she just seems like she has a lot on her plate.
Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: John Gaunt on November 03, 2020, 11:04:40 AM
No offence to trench, but heís never been in a relationship or dated a woman in the UK, how would he know? 😉..... If he actually interacted with local women he might find the opposite and they arenít any different to FSU women, except for the accent and some cultural and communication differences. Most see feminism exactly the way FSU women do.... Equal rights and for FSU especially equal pay.
This is pretty much the issue. Trench has little to no experience of women and dating.
With his mysoginistic views itís little wonder he canít get a date locally and he ascribes this failure to fit those views.
Physician, heal thyself.

Prior to heading to the FSU, I dated British women exclusively and had no trouble finding nice, attractive women to go out with. Some I had relationships with, some were just the one date, but thatís the same no matter where one dates.
Some I would have even considered going down the aisle with but my attention turned to the FSU and I never looked at home again.

With Trench, in the FSU he wonít face some of the issues that would make women at home write him off, like the inability to converse. I suspect he would struggle at home to have a decent conversation on a date. In the FSU, the language barrier provides cover for his shortcomings, most of which would make any woman run a mile, such as his toxic views of women.
He can also pretend to have economic leverage but will soon be exposed the minute any prospective Mrs TC crosses his threshold into his little terraced house and reality hits her like a soggy sponge.

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I donít know where he finds all these radical feminists, Iíve never met or dated one.
You only have to look at the BLM movement to find them....
Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: japtats on November 03, 2020, 11:36:01 AM


Prior to heading to the FSU, I dated British women exclusively and had no trouble finding nice, attractive women to go out with. Some I had relationships with, some were just the one date, but thatís the same no matter where one dates.
Some I would have even considered going down the aisle with but my attention turned to the FSU and I never looked at home again.

So if you can find hot local women , why go to the FSU, do a marriage and long distance relationship. Seems to not add up
Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: John Gaunt on November 03, 2020, 11:38:25 AM
So if you can find hot local women , why go to the FSU, do a marriage and long distance relationship. Seems to not add up

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but my attention turned to the FSU and I never looked at home again.
Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: japtats on November 03, 2020, 11:42:02 AM
But why? Because the women are more attractive? Because there are so many to jump between? Why go through the struggle of pursuing FSU women?
Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: japtats on November 03, 2020, 11:49:51 AM
Girl I am seeing returns on Friday, we meet on the weekend . I am going to try and set something up prior to that , I am tired of waiting for her
Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: John Gaunt on November 03, 2020, 12:35:11 PM
But why? Because the women are more attractive? Because there are so many to jump between? Why go through the struggle of pursuing FSU women?
I felt an affinity with the culture, the sense of family and felt quite at home there. There was definitely a greater proportion of attractive women.

I didnít see it as a struggle at all. But then I embrace differences and enjoy new experiences so it was more of an adventure for me.

It still is. Life with an FSUW? Never a dull moment.
Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: Davo on November 03, 2020, 03:31:30 PM
But why? Because the women are more attractive? Because there are so many to jump between? Why go through the struggle of pursuing FSU women?


In a nut shell, I didnít have any intention to date FSU women. What brought me here was a string of chance encounters.

I met a Canadian guy on pen pal site I used to learn some basic phrases for a planned western European holiday. He recommended in my opinion one of the best FSU free personal dating sites, where I met a young German woman, but I struggled with the language. In the mean time a bisexual Russian woman who likes females more than men, contacted me. She had an interest in my country and we started chatting as friends. A few weeks later she left the site and by then Iíd developed an interest in Russia.  I replaced her with about 5 other Russian women who were all around my age and similar stages in life, being divorced and single parents. One knew some German so we chatted off site and found a lot of common experiences and interests in life. I liked her parenting style and after some time chemistry, flirting and attraction developed.

I knew absolutely nothing about FSU dating and it wasnít until I arrived on this site, that I realised iíd been lucky to miss all the pitfalls and scams.

What FSU dating offers me is time and bigger dating pool. The sweet spot with the most quality women is around 40 locally, but with FSU women Iíll still have good options well into my 50ís. To be honest itís also an enjoyable adventure, which is addictive. Iíve been on dates with some nice local women again not too long ago, but for some reason I canít put my finger on, theyíve lost their shine.

The biggest change itís make to my life and a side effect is I realised I needed a small boost in my income if I was going to be successful. Since I returned from Russia last and focused on my side business, Iíve tripped my gross income well into the 6 figure mark. I probably wouldnít have done this if I was still seriously dating locally.
Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: japtats on November 03, 2020, 10:57:16 PM

In a nut shell, I didnít have any intention to date FSU women. What brought me here was a string of chance encounters.
The biggest change itís make to my life and a side effect is I realised I needed a small boost in my income if I was going to be successful. Since I returned from Russia last and focused on my side business, Iíve tripped my gross income well into the 6 figure mark. I probably wouldnít have done this if I was still seriously dating locally.

I love that story, really happy for you. I had a similar experience, i didn't want to lose this lifestyle , but now i am taking financial risks, don't really care about the women , more about the love of being an entrepreneur, and giving value to consumers. But to be fair, i don't need much to out perform the locals in FSU.
Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: Trenchcoat on November 04, 2020, 07:39:25 AM
Even trench can get lucky on tinder in the UK..... No need to go to Ukraine. Heís in the sweet spot being in his early 40ís with no commitments like children. Thereís a lot of newly divorced women in their late 30ís early 40ís wanting some casual fun.

Generally need to be in a pretty big city for tinder to work well in the UK or elsewhere which I am not. Tend to prefer women a bit younger than my age also.
Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: Trenchcoat on November 04, 2020, 07:58:28 AM
Yes, i am booked with a good surgery in Turkey, i will go there next. There isn't a big rush for myself

Kind of good these days that there are reasonable options around to reverse the slide in appearance that tends to happen over time to some extent at least. Last year I got LASEK laser eye surgery done to get rid of my short sightedness. Worked a treat and I now have better than 20/20 vision, it's now 20/10 vision so one of the best. First time I've not had to wear glasses since I was 15 which was when my shortsightedness started and gradually got worse before stabilizing.

Anyway it cost nearly £5k but worth every penny to go to somewhere good for that as f*ck ups can mess up your life on that one.

Next I want to go for some permanent filler in the US, not a lot but just a little to alleviate some lines I get around my eyes. I'm not aiming to look real young again but I would prefer avoiding looking too old and tired looking. Not that I look too bad at the moment but age of course shows with nearly everyone. No rush needed and will have to to save up some money for it but it's something I would like done. I just tend to think otherwise going for younger girls in the FSU and looking old and tired looking is just going to be a case of bashing my head against a brick wall so better to be realistic about how I look.

Unfortunately the dermal filler industry in the UK is just too unregulated and risky to be worth considering. Anyone can jump up and do it without any qualifications or training and can inject you with any number of hundreds of unsuitable fillers that are on the market. In the US it is not so, so the way to go in my view.

Hair I don't have a problem with and unlikely too :D My only problem there is while I have plenty the operation of plucking out strands of white hair is a steadily increasing one year by year lol. Perhaps they will find a solution to restore that soon rather than the ultimate solution of covering it up with hair dye or something.
Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: japtats on November 06, 2020, 12:52:30 AM
Short story Trench, you will always find flaws, that you can work on , but it should never stop you actively pursuing what you want. I am in my worse shape in life, bald, but still i am able to pull women (it is more about my confidence, humour, and direction in life, they know where i am going).

(http://i.ibb.co/XsnDH6V/Whats-App-Image-2020-11-06-at-07-53-52.jpg) (http://ibb.co/85ybkGX)

Anyways, the girl i am seeing returns tomorrow, i realise she isn't for me, but we are going to meet maybe saturday. I found two other people, one is in Kiev, old contact, we began talking, she is 24 , and she is coming to my city for a few days to see me, then i said i will go to Kiev with her. I told her what i want from a woman, and she finds to objections to what i expect , and is willing to try.

Another girl is 20, she already worksout, bit of an entrepreneur, whilst studying, she obviously works very hard, has little free time, we meet on sunday or saturday, we talked about living together, due to little time she and i have, and she is very up for it (we still need to meet and see the chemistry, but i doubt she or i will have much objections)

THe woman i was supposed to meet on Thursday, flaked on me, God knows why, but it happens, hence why i don't do flowers. Can't keep up with these young women schedules.
Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: msmob on November 08, 2020, 12:09:23 AM
. Why men tend to runaway from tinder is simple, they are ugly.

So, you think bald, tattooed, bearded guys are 'attractive' to most ladies ?..  Not all all Subjective and over generalised.


I tried foreign dating sites, where women are seeking western men (to escape their countries). I prefer other platforms, where women WANT me to stay in their country. They never had interest in leaving their friends and families. I cringe out how trained some of these women are on these dating sites, to escape FSU. No doubt many men have been fooled in the 'i am a good girl', and have no idea what happened to their 'good girl', in her wild years.

You are on the ground...using sites that local ladies might use makes more sense...if you are just seeking hook ups.

Guys seeking a FSU wife would naturally use a dating site designed for those ladies who express a preference for a western guy.

I have no idea why any man or woman would assume their partner might not have had relationships before.

Is it only me that notes you suggest plenty of short encounters?



Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: japtats on November 08, 2020, 03:25:13 AM
So, you think bald, tattooed, bearded guys are 'attractive' to most ladies ?..  Not all all Subjective and over generalised.




Most women prefer dad bodies,chubby guys, most people prefer to take the easy route in life, scared to go too far, as it is too much work. Hence why many men invest in learning the language, rather than improving their income, and picking up a pair of dumbbells.

 I had a fitness business years back, my photo was taken by one woman and posted on her facebook, stating how she wanted me , it got leaked to me by someone , i found it amusing. She got the photo from a page on instagram that shared my image. I don't really look for what most want, i like to do what i like, and i reap the rewards.

Guys seeking a FSU wife would naturally use a dating site designed for those ladies who express a preference for a western guy.



Naturally go for the easy option, of a woman that is specifically looking to leave FSU. There are parents (i heard from my ex, her friends parents), who push their daughters to find a foreign man, hence why they learn english, and one reason they go abroad. They are not interested in the person so much, but more interested in leaving FSU.

Sites have maybe around 100 of 18 to 25 year olds, Tinder and Badoo probably have millions, but both platforms are very different (reasons i stated). I actually joined a foreign dating site, i had to put down i was in ukraine, i used the same sites (same main photo, additional current photos). Rarely people open the message, they are not interested in someone in Ukraine, however when i was in the west, put western location, very different experience.

People can sugar coat it however they want, to make their ego feel better, but rarely can people look in the mirror and be honest with themselves. I go back to what i stated (not your strawman attempt), Tinder/Badoo is where looks matters more than foreign dating sites.
Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: msmob on November 08, 2020, 05:04:55 AM
Thank you for responding..

My question was quite specific.

Once again, you assume that us ol' gits were bald, chubby and 'poor ' whilst earning a livelihood doing well paid physical work and living at the beach at weekends surrounded by 20 and thirty something bikini clad FSU ladies..and learning the juicy gossip in Russian..what they liked about men..

Here's a clue for you...meaningful relationships develop when you share a common tongue..There are plenty of FSU ladies with whom I suggest having a wide vocab of useful words is most useful, if you share your life... not just a bed..







Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: Trenchcoat on November 08, 2020, 05:33:33 AM
People can sugar coat it however they want, to make their ego feel better, but rarely can people look in the mirror and be honest with themselves. I go back to what i stated (not your strawman attempt), Tinder/Badoo is where looks matters more than foreign dating sites.

That I see on this site all too often. We've had many guys turn up here over the past few years with the 'hey this girl really digs me and it's all down to who I am' sort of story. Some show pics of themselves and they look nothing special and you kind of know in pretty much every case they are denying the reality. That reality is almost always that the girl is attracted to them because of the money, lifestyle, where they live, etc. I've never seen a guy come on here and say directly, hey I've met this girl and she digs my wealth and social status I derive from that and wants to get with me for a comfortable lifestyle so we're getting married next week :D That is of course the reality, painful to many but to those aware a reasonable enough deal to be with a hot babe if it works out.

I think where you are Japs there are issues with using sites like Tinder as pointed out and with traditional dating sites as you rightly point out. So it's s case if pick what you prefer and hope it comes up with someone where you both want to stick around, till then just enjoy the women.

To my mind it's kind of a shame that Mamba has turned into such a trash site of recent as that was more of local dating site originally so would have suited I think. I used it a year back and it's now no longer free and a bit of a rip off in many ways and difficult for us older guys to be useful. Only other idea is to look around and see if anything similar I guess.
Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: Trenchcoat on November 08, 2020, 07:17:15 AM
Most women prefer dad bodies,chubby guys, most people prefer to take the easy route in life, scared to go too far, as it is too much work. Hence why many men invest in learning the language, rather than improving their income, and picking up a pair of dumbbells.

That's true, but I think many men don't even bother learning the language, most just let their wallet do the talking. For most guys in the west their wallet is the easiest route. Even I if I went full throttle on my job hours could rake in around £30k a year. I wouldn't have much free time other than paid leave but to many FSW that sort of money is a fortune. On You Tube there are videos where the guy goes up to FSW and asks them what they think of such money or less, a couple of grand a month etc and they think it's amazing money, lol. There are of course many guys on here that do way better than that.

The big draw if the FSU is that is all it can take a guy with money able to land attractive women. Most though don't like the uncomfortable truth that the women are with them because they have money and can provide. It's not a nice feeling admittedly that the woman is with you because of that. Krimster is one of the few people on here that will admit to that and is happy with such a deal.

Bodybuilding can give a guy access to FSW who may actually dig him but that is because he's built up muscle, otherwise who knows. If the muscle goes will she still dig him. I think over time people can come to care about each other whether they first got together for money or looks. Other times they may never develop those feelings and that can be a bad place to be in.

Bodybuilding itself as you and others have told me Japs takes a long time. It's an investment like money is invested both of which tend to use up time. Many guys will struggle to be able to put in that time to bodybuilding and keep it up, it tends to always come secondary to money for obvious good reason. Most guys like you have Japs have found that at some point the strain of keeping up bodybuilding and earning money becomes too much and the bodybuilding has to give. That and life can throw up problems that have to be dealt with and so are forced to deal with those rather than do bodybuilding.

I would say it's all a case of personal preference and what works for a guy and what situation that guy is in. Some guys are happy for money to do the talking, some their body, others their facial looks, etc, etc. In the FSU the women their that are attractive tend to be after a guy with something going for him, some will want money others something else so as long as your there with something going for you then there's a chance I think.
Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: msmob on November 08, 2020, 07:31:04 AM
That reality is almost always that the girl is attracted to them because of the money, lifestyle, where they live, etc.

Trench,

You never get it..

I will only speak for myself.

I have won the heart of women who had richer suitors.

I have dated successful, weathly women who owned their homes outright, but chosen women who were FAR more interesting company.

Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: japtats on November 08, 2020, 08:12:46 AM
On You Tube there are videos where the guy goes up to FSW and asks them what they think of such money or less, a couple of grand a month etc and they think it's amazing money, lol. There are of course many guys on here that do way better than that.

If you live in Ukraine that is.

Bodybuilding can give a guy access to FSW who may actually dig him but that is because he's built up muscle, otherwise who knows. If the muscle goes will she still dig him. I think over time people can come to care about each other whether they first got together for money or looks. Other times they may never develop those feelings and that can be a bad place to be in.

Bodybuilding itself as you and others have told me Japs takes a long time. It's an investment like money is invested both of which tend to use up time. Many guys will struggle to be able to put in that time to bodybuilding and keep it up, it tends to always come secondary to money for obvious good reason. Most guys like you have Japs have found that at some point the strain of keeping up bodybuilding and earning money becomes too much and the bodybuilding has to give. That and life can throw up problems that have to be dealt with and so are forced to deal with those rather than do bodybuilding.

I would say it's all a case of personal preference and what works for a guy and what situation that guy is in. Some guys are happy for money to do the talking, some their body, others their facial looks, etc, etc. In the FSU the women their that are attractive tend to be after a guy with something going for him, some will want money others something else so as long as your there with something going for you then there's a chance I think.


I stopped gym due to my tattoos, tattoos and gym cannot mix, as the skin is an open wound, and needs to heal. Otherwise i would be there, it is not hard to make time for the gym. Looks money, charisma, looks, it is a foot in the door, then you need to do the rest.




I would say it's all a case of personal preference and what works for a guy and what situation that guy is in. Some guys are happy for money to do the talking, some their body, others their facial looks, etc, etc. In the FSU the women their that are attractive tend to be after a guy with something going for him, some will want money others something else so as long as your there with something going for you then there's a chance I think.


Me and my tattoo master were talking yesterday, he told me his Ukrainian friends are angry because foreign men come, and take their women, with their money. He finished with his response with foreigners work hard, he is a very hard working guy himself earning around $1500 a month at 25 , not in Kiev, so he values hard work. People will be sour about a lot of things, but too lazy to make a move, then there are others who make their move, go to the gym, work on their careers/business, and push forward, not looking for reassurance because they want to be lazy.
Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: Trenchcoat on November 08, 2020, 09:00:05 AM
If you live in Ukraine that is.


I stopped gym due to my tattoos, tattoos and gym cannot mix, as the skin is an open wound, and needs to heal. Otherwise i would be there, it is not hard to make time for the gym. Looks money, charisma, looks, it is a foot in the door, then you need to do the rest.




Me and my tattoo master were talking yesterday, he told me his Ukrainian friends are angry because foreign men come, and take their women, with their money. He finished with his response with foreigners work hard, he is a very hard working guy himself earning around $1500 a month at 25 , not in Kiev, so he values hard work. People will be sour about a lot of things, but too lazy to make a move, then there are others who make their move, go to the gym, work on their careers/business, and push forward, not looking for reassurance because they want to be lazy.

That's good money for Ukraine, and I guess while he is into what he's doing it can't be much joy being stuck there doing it day in day out probably for long hours. Same money can be had in the UK for very little effort in the right number. I can see why Ukrainian guys get cheesed off at western guys taking their girls and most likely the better looking ones at that. Most of the good looking girls go for guys with money and that something many Ukrainian guys will struggle to match. Then probably other stuff on top off that, free time, entertainment, etc, etc.

I think a lot of FSUM think western men work hard, some do but I think it can look that way when the greater economic leverage in the west does a lot of the for the guy. Even here there are a lot of people that are lazy that want to sit around all day whine about their lot and want to be given, given a free council pad, benefits, etc. Of course not all people on benefits don't want to work and some are unfortunate in their circumstances particularly with the current situation but many unfortunately see it as the easy option and a lifelong dependency.

I know what you mean though that women want to see a guy that has a bit of a life, is doing stuff whether it is the gym, a business, a passion, something he his good at or a nice varied lifestyle otherwise it's not much of a life for her to join.
Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: japtats on November 08, 2020, 09:58:36 AM
The west has high living cost, where as Ukraine not, so he has a good disposable income. Women and Men are not that different, women love a guy who is passionate about the RIGHT things. Passionate about self improvement.

(http://i.ibb.co/pZ9QvmJ/1754393e-f885-4da3-bdb8-cd6e729caf14-1.jpg) (http://ibb.co/7V6QJ92)


I sent this to a few women today, my perspective it that it is true for men and women, you cannot base your happiness on how people appreciate you. Too many men are interested in with what FSUW want, how to impress them, looking for the secret code. I seen multiple FSUW break into tears when i ended things with them, still texting me months after. It is pretty simple , work hard, on EVERY aspect of your life, money, fitness, how to look, sex, once you are good at what you do, people are attracted.

Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: Trenchcoat on November 08, 2020, 11:54:03 AM
Yeah I think to you're right Japs, if a guy is seen as a great guy alround then the women will come and they will want to stay with that guy as he will be impressive to them and guys around will struggle to match up. I'm moving forward on that approach, I'm in the early stages of setting up a business that I think could do well and run remotely. The house I'm committed to finishing off as I'm too close now to chuck it in and to be honest there's not a lot else to do this winter. So in a few months time I should hopefully be able to chuck my job in which will allow me time down the gym. At the moment I wouldn't be able to devout enough time to make it worthwhile so that is better spent on the business and the house, etc.

Overall I'm after improving my quality of life. I want to look lean & musclar not too thin and musclar but not too big and musclar. I also want to improve my appearance and drive a nicer car. If I can get my business to be successful then that will make me well placed I think. I have some investments that may aid me in this if they come through. All in all I want to look impressive and have a lifestyle I enjoy and can build upon.
Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: japtats on November 08, 2020, 12:22:45 PM
Thank you for responding..

Usually i do not respond, because you always try and argue on why you are right, but never truly understand life.


Once again, you assume that us ol' gits were bald, chubby and 'poor ' whilst earning a livelihood doing well paid physical work and living at the beach at weekends surrounded by 20 and thirty something bikini clad FSU ladies..and learning the juicy gossip in Russian..what they liked about men..

There you go again, adding little words which were not said, creating a strawman attempt. What people say and want are two different things. If you still do not understand that, explains why you had many issues




Here's a clue for you...meaningful relationships develop when you share a common tongue..There are plenty of FSU ladies with whom I suggest having a wide vocab of useful words is most useful, if you share your life... not just a bed..
Saying 'i flushed the toilet dear', in russian, is not as impressive as making a woman orgasm , to the point she is crying after. But hey, you are still stuck on the idea of a man lasting more than 5mins in bed. Something we debated a while back, now i won't be responding again as i am not allowed to mention certain things about yourself.
Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: msmob on November 08, 2020, 01:21:03 PM
'Japats'..

I have news for you.. FSU woman often speak of men who think of themselves as 'good in the sack.. it is so interesting to soak up the rays on the beach whilst one's toes curl at the foolishness of some 'suitors'.

I am eternally grateful for those opportunities to learn what FSU ladies think...

Your opinion, whilst living in the FSU ,that learning the language is not important typifies all that is unwise about your assertions re long term relationships.

Your being on the ground whilst refusing to try to assimilate has yet to open your eyes to aspects of life there that you are missing out on.




Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: japtats on November 08, 2020, 02:24:40 PM
Yeah I think to you're right Japs, if a guy is seen as a great guy alround then the women will come and they will want to stay with that guy as he will be impressive to them and guys around will struggle to match up. I'm moving forward on that approach, I'm in the early stages of setting up a business that I think could do well and run remotely. The house I'm committed to finishing off as I'm too close now to chuck it in and to be honest there's not a lot else to do this winter. So in a few months time I should hopefully be able to chuck my job in which will allow me time down the gym. At the moment I wouldn't be able to devout enough time to make it worthwhile so that is better spent on the business and the house, etc.

Overall I'm after improving my quality of life. I want to look lean & musclar not too thin and musclar but not too big and musclar. I also want to improve my appearance and drive a nicer car. If I can get my business to be successful then that will make me well placed I think. I have some investments that may aid me in this if they come through. All in all I want to look impressive and have a lifestyle I enjoy and can build upon.

I am happy for you , sounds like you are trying , which is what counts. Don't be scared to work hard , don't look for shortcuts in life (learning russian), otherwise your life will always be hard . Get focused on your income, and do some weight training
Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: Boethius on November 08, 2020, 08:54:31 PM
Saying 'i flushed the toilet dear', in russian, is not as impressive as making a woman orgasm , to the point she is crying after. But hey, you are still stuck on the idea of a man lasting more than 5mins in bed. Something we debated a while back, now i won't be responding again as i am not allowed to mention certain things about yourself.

As a woman, I would say that I don't spend my entire day having sex, and for me, personally, the ability to have deep conversations with someone on a variety of topics is more important than an orgasm.  A man who can't hold an interest intellectually is useless to many women, including me.  For other women, the primary motivation is a man who can provide financially.  For others, it will be physical appearance.  What a woman is attracted to is as varied as are women (and men).  This comment of yours is very tied to your age.  Any man who listens to what a woman wants in bed is capable of giving that woman mind blowing orgasms.  It isn't exactly rocket science.

I had an acquaintance once who was with a man about 10 years older than her.  I knew him, as he was in my graduating class in law school (he was also 10 years my senior).  He was not a good person, had been in jail, had children from 3 different women when she was with him.  He is intelligent (far, far more so than her), but very troubled.  She stayed with him for a couple of years, only because he was mind blowing in bed.  However, his other issues eventually trumped his great bed skills.  She dumped him.  He moved on, I saw him with his fifth or sixth woman, 20 years younger, baby in tow.  She eventually left him as well.  Today, he's old and alone, likely his choice, as he has a lot of money.  He has also sired enough children to field a baseball team with a few spares.  I don't know how many of his children have relationships with him.

I'm not getting involved in the p*ssing match between you and moby, just pointing out that when I read your posts, I often think, what you don't know about women is a lot, and both of you are incorrect in "type casting" FSUW.  They are as varied as are WW.

This post was composed without the aid of google.
Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: msmob on November 08, 2020, 09:53:55 PM
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(http://i.ibb.co/pZ9QvmJ/1754393e-f885-4da3-bdb8-cd6e729caf14-1.jpg) (http://ibb.co/7V6QJ92)


I sent this to a few women today,

'Right'..

You sent the image of an ethnic cleanser, an evil dictator who destroyed a nation who in his senile years allowed a much younger wife to finally push the people who lived in fear to rise and be rid of them both ?

Even if they were his words, what an awful role model..

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Mugabe

Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: japtats on November 08, 2020, 11:42:08 PM
As a woman, I would say that I don't spend my entire day having sex, and for me, personally, the ability to have deep conversations with someone on a variety of topics is more important than an orgasm.  A man who can't hold an interest intellectually is useless to many women, including me.  For other women, the primary motivation is a man who can provide financially.  For others, it will be physical appearance.  What a woman is attracted to is as varied as are women (and men).  This comment of yours is very tied to your age.  Any man who listens to what a woman wants in bed is capable of giving that woman mind blowing orgasms.  It isn't exactly rocket science.

You mention sex (Top 3 for reasons of divorce), finances (Top 3 reasons for divorce), physical appearance, yet not Russian language? That is a weird way to agree with me, and instead use a strawman attempt to talk about intellect, you know what i do for a living, i just don't dwell on intellect it comes naturally, hence why i gave you some tips on how to apply philosophy in ones life, rather than regurgitate something you read. Also , some people base too much on intellect, using it as a safety net to not work on other areas. The reason why i talk about things people can actively change, is because those are easily things we can change. What is your advice to people? Train intellect?

I think one of the most interesting things about me, is i actually practice what read, sadly not everyone is the same. Also making a woman laugh is a very big attribute, but maybe you lack a humour? And are serious most of the time?

As a woman, I would say that I don't spend my entire day having sex, and for me, personally, the ability to have deep conversations with someone on a variety of topics is more important than an orgasm.  A man who can't hold an interest intellectually is useless to many women, including me.  For other women, the primary motivation is a man who can provide financially.  For others, it will be physical appearance.  What a woman is attracted to is as varied as are women (and men).  This comment of yours is very tied to your age.  Any man who listens to what a woman wants in bed is capable of giving that woman mind blowing orgasms.  It isn't exactly rocket science.

I had an acquaintance once who was with a man about 10 years older than her.  I knew him, as he was in my graduating class in law school (he was also 10 years my senior).  He was not a good person, had been in jail, had children from 3 different women when she was with him.  He is intelligent (far, far more so than her), but very troubled.  She stayed with him for a couple of years, only because he was mind blowing in bed.  However, his other issues eventually trumped his great bed skills.  She dumped him.  He moved on, I saw him with his fifth or sixth woman, 20 years younger, baby in tow.  She eventually left him as well.  Today, he's old and alone, likely his choice, as he has a lot of money.  He has also sired enough children to field a baseball team with a few spares.  I don't know how many of his children have relationships with him.

It is funny how much you know of my personal life, and then use this example.



I'm not getting involved in the p*ssing match between you and moby, just pointing out that when I read your posts, I often think, what you don't know about women is a lot, and both of you are incorrect in "type casting" FSUW.  They are as varied as are WW
He is clearly your dog, from what i , and every other person can tell. I just don't come on here and play whatever games you, Moby are playing , most of us just want to post, have friendly discussions. But some people find building a wall too hard, and instead like breaking walls, which is a very much easier thing to do.
Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: msmob on November 09, 2020, 01:59:57 AM
Hi Boethius

If I may correct you on two points?...

1/ this is not a p*ssing contest! That would assume both parties were making valid points..

2/ Indeed we are both generalising about FSUW in a dating / relationship context.

I cannot speak for other members, but I regard folks with a long-term monogaomous relationships as people we should listen to more.



Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: msmob on November 09, 2020, 10:13:35 AM
You are welcome to open a new  thread about same.. :rolleyes:

I'm on the blower to SKY internet, as I recommended her to use them and today it should go live and there's a fault ..

We are fine, now, and my current wife and she have met numerous times.

Clearly, you are gossiping with folk who aren't in the loop

(http://i.imgur.com/gKvxa9O.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/GJn56Zq.jpg)

Furniture stored at my place in the UK - now at her place in time for the lockdown

(http://i.imgur.com/3fqn2V0.jpg)


So, I note you chose not to deal with querying your assertions re learning the lingo, etc,..

My relationships lasted years ..not days











Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: japtats on November 09, 2020, 10:25:32 AM
Notice moby goes quiet when we bring up the fact his second wife (Russian), left him after his business took a hit. I wish i was on the forum with popcorn when him and his ex were on this forum accusing the other of giving them herpes.

Moby how did you communicate with FSUW after, to tell them you had herpes? Was it in english or in russian?
Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: japtats on November 09, 2020, 11:15:48 AM
Yes, didn't you say you didn't legally divorce , as it would effect her sons visa to stay in the UK? Glad you are both dancing around in the photos, sad she left you just when your business went down hill.

There is no gossip, these are things you have disclosed on here. Your marriage last till your business was doing well, then she left after it went down hill. You came here excusing her of giving you herpes.
Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: Boethius on November 09, 2020, 02:19:14 PM
You mention sex (Top 3 for reasons of divorce), finances (Top 3 reasons for divorce), physical appearance, yet not Russian language? That is a weird way to agree with me, and instead use a strawman attempt to talk about intellect, you know what i do for a living, i just don't dwell on intellect it comes naturally, hence why i gave you some tips on how to apply philosophy in ones life, rather than regurgitate something you read. Also , some people base too much on intellect, using it as a safety net to not work on other areas. The reason why i talk about things people can actively change, is because those are easily things we can change. What is your advice to people? Train intellect?

I googled top reasons for divorce (see link at bottom of post), and sex wasn't among the top 3. It didn't even crack the top 5 in most surveys.  In some surveys, lack of intimacy is in the top 3, but it isn't just sex.  Emotional intimacy is probably more important than sex to most women.

I laughed at your comment on intellect. For all your "great intellect", you missed completely the point of my post.  Every girl you meet is not going to have brain surgeon intellect.  You can't assume that just because she is going to university, she is bright.  There are plenty of airheads in Ukrainian universities, as well as bright women.  You won't know a woman's intellect unless you can communicate fluently in a common language.  I mean, when I first met the better half, I could ask him "Do you agree with Nieztche's concept of objective truth?" and he could give me his views rather than clipping his eyes like a doe.  He was well and broadly read, from literature, to philosophy, to religion, to science.  In many areas, he was better versed than I, because he can read more languages fluently, and his grandfather had a huge inherited library that the commies didn't manage to confiscate, so he had access to many banned works.  His grandfather had gone to school before the Revolution, and was fluent in ancient Greek and in Latin, something he passed on to the better half. 

Your "philosophies of life" will change as you age, if you are growing as a person.  The better half, as I posted previously, gave our children the works of a particular philosopher to read when they each turned 19.  Why?  Because he thought that particular philosopher was good to read at that particular stage of their lives.  All found interesting things to ponder but, for the older two, three years later, they'd outgrown that philosopher.  He's interesting, but he's really for a particular time in one's life. 

I'm not agreeing with you.  I am disagreeing with you.  I could never have entered into any form of relationship with a man with whom I could not communicate fully and fluently.  I couldn't have childlike conversations with someone I was viewing as a possible life mate.  I wanted someone whose intellect would hold my interest my entire life, and I got that, in spades.  I'm not suggesting this is they way for everyone.  Obviously, it isn't for you, and that's fine.  But you present your opinions in a black and white/right and wrong dynamic.  Life is far more nuanced than that. 

My point also was not just about intellect.  For me, that was a primary desire.  I didn't care if the man I married made a lot of money, as I knew that I could always support myself. 

I don't think the point was about speaking Russian.  The point was that if you are going to pursue FSUW exclusively, knowing her language is a plus.  It is, although not all posters, even those married to FSUW agree with this (ML for example).  For you, living in Ukraine, knowing either Russian or Ukrainian definitely would be a plus.  It would open up so much more of the world of the country to you if you could speak the language.

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I think one of the most interesting things about me, is i actually practice what read, sadly not everyone is the same. Also making a woman laugh is a very big attribute, but maybe you lack a humour? And are serious most of the time?

No, I don't lack a sense of humour.  The better half is very jokey, and all our children inherited that.  But I do tend to be on the serious side. 

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It is funny how much you know of my personal life, and then use this example.

As noted above, I respond to what you post.

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He is clearly your dog, from what i , and every other person can tell. I just don't come on here and play whatever games you, Moby are playing , most of us just want to post, have friendly discussions. But some people find building a wall too hard, and instead like breaking walls, which is a very much easier thing to do.

Wrong. Anyone with an ax to grind thinks that.  moby has been moderated by me probably more than anyone else on this forum.  The difference between him and others, though, is that he doesn't whinge about it.  Even in his last two week time out, when it was brought up by another poster, moby posted he thought the timeout was unfair, and left it at that.  I also don't really care what most of the posters here think about me.  They don't know me.

I am not "playing games".  What a stupid assertion. 

Notice moby goes quiet when we bring up the fact his second wife (Russian), left him after his business took a hit. I wish i was on the forum with popcorn when him and his ex were on this forum accusing the other of giving them herpes.

Moby how did you communicate with FSUW after, to tell them you had herpes? Was it in english or in russian?

I am letting this post stand although it is against the terms of service.  moby was not on this forum at the time of his divorce, and his ex wife never posted here.  I did see the posts, in real time, elsewhere (I suspect Bill did as well, as did a few other posters here).  moby's wife never alleged he gave her herpes.  She only made a post or two, and then asked that all their posts be deleted, and as the request came from her, they were.  When moby made those posts, I asked him on the open forum to stop it and reconsider what he was doing, as it was from a place of hurt and humiliation, and he was trying to get "back" at his wife, unfairly, I thought, by airing dirty laundry.  It wasn't something that should have played out among strangers.

You need to live in the present, not the past.  It's also a good thing to do in relationships. 

Google was used to find the below link.

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Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: Trenchcoat on November 09, 2020, 04:59:58 PM
Ah so our Mobers was 'muzzeled' for two weeks :D I must be informed next time so I can post continuously on the Brexit forum with poor old Mobe just able to read but not reply, oh the agony that would put him through ;D

Anyway, personally for me I stear away from too much intellectualism. I could do it, I could spend just a few months to years reading the ins and outs to all these 'great works' but I know one can come across as a bore if not careful. That is also dependant on the people you are mixing with. I know to a lot of people that unless they are the heavy intellectual type I would come across as weird and strange if I suddenly started rattling on about it. Even with even vaguely intellectual talk I've noticed some people in the past a bit bemused. Over time since found it best to start basic and only work onto something more intellectual if the other person does. In general though I like to appreciate other aspects of life particularly that girls might have to offer.

Imagine a girl that is a bit of an airhead, I've seen various types over the years. Some don't have much else to offer but a fair few have different talents. There is even something to be said for being with a girl who is fun and able to live the moment. After all I think if someone can live a happy life without a lot of complexity then it can be quite rewarding all in all.
Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: msmob on November 09, 2020, 07:55:35 PM
Notice moby goes quiet when we bring up the fact his second wife (Russian), left him after his business took a hit.

What a whooper !)

1/ I suggested you start a new thread, rather than deflect from your thread

2/ The fact of the matter is that she started to believe I had been running a fraudulent enterprise..with the Police interviewing former neighbours..we had moved to be nearer her son, who was studying in Oxford. The Police even came to try to interview her.

This has been aired MANY times and I received compo from financial institution responsible and an apology from Glos'shire Police.

If 'silent' is showing recent photos of us together and getting on better than most divorcťes, I can only only wonder at your power of reasoning and observational skills.

Does it look like we hold grudges, now?

So, was this your way of dealing with my questioning your assertion that guys shouldn't bother to try learning the local language, if on the ground?

I wish i was on the forum with popcorn when him and his ex were on this forum accusing the other of giving them herpes.

Only I posted...She had a thread shut down in another place.

Moby how did you communicate with FSUW after, to tell them you had herpes? Was it in english or in russian?

Depending on the lady, I could, and did,  explain I have antibodies present and have been asymptomatic...giving them the option of curtailing a developing relationship.

Unlike you, I had fathered all the offspring I was ever going to bring into the world and HSV simplex II can certainly make a pregnancy complicated.

Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: msmob on November 09, 2020, 08:04:17 PM
Ah so our Mobers was 'muzzeled' for two weeks :D I must be informed next time so I can post continuously on the Brexit forum with poor old Mobe just able to read but not reply, oh the agony that would put him through ;D

The motivation I experience when responding to one of your posts is educational..

It is noted you learn little from anyone on here, despite the time taken to try to help relieve you of your 'interesting theories' from 'Brexit', dating and women's physique..



Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: msmob on November 09, 2020, 08:23:14 PM

I am letting this post stand although it is against the terms of service.  moby was not on this forum at the time of his divorce, and his ex wife never posted here.  I did see the posts, in real time, elsewhere (I suspect Bill did as well, as did a few other posters here).  moby's wife never alleged he gave her herpes.  She only made a post or two, and then asked that all their posts be deleted, and as the request came from her, they were.  When moby made those posts, I asked him on the open forum to stop it and reconsider what he was doing, as it was from a place of hurt and humiliation, and he was trying to get "back" at his wife, unfairly, I thought, by airing dirty laundry.  It wasn't something that should have played out among strangers.


You did indeed try to appeal to my (entirely lacking ) sense of proportionality /reasoning.

It was my PATHETIC way of countering what a kind poster at another place had found and highlighted.

She had posted on a dating profile about any future partner not having a dodgy biz

It is only posters that get butt hurt that regurgitate our collective stupidity.

 It is a perfect moment to highlight the wisdom of VO from a due dilligence PoV and the need to ensure you really know about each other's potential harmful secrets by having STI tests together.

It is the perfect way to provide a sample for examination.....

Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: I/O on November 09, 2020, 10:20:08 PM
A friend asked me to read this thread and perhaps comment.

I read the first half page and my eyes are hurting...🤭
Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: japtats on November 10, 2020, 01:26:06 AM
If people are going to take blows against my short flings (i commit only when i truly want to), only fair i comment on their past also. I am not interested in mud slinging, i said this numerous times, but if there is a fight, then i will give blows also.
Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: japtats on November 10, 2020, 01:28:47 AM
(http://i.ibb.co/y4CQNPh/Whats-App-Image-2020-11-10-at-08-12-27.jpg) (http://ibb.co/J3Tsctx)

Back to actually trip reports...... Got two dates planned for this week. One for today (if she doesn't flake for the second time).
Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: japtats on November 25, 2020, 11:35:46 PM
So a lot has happened, i don't know what to say regarding each person, each experience. Nutshell: It has been fun , and a lot learnt.

I been quoted a few times regarding my tattoos/beard, i don't think tattoos and beards are liked in FSU, but i have a unique look, the hearts are from women, i can't be bothered to screenshot multiple conversations, but women are really loving my look now (it is only getting better as tattoos are coming along)

(http://i.ibb.co/JQqTMgD/Whats-App-Image-2020-11-26-at-06-22-12.jpg) (http://ibb.co/ySpCb7H)
(http://i.ibb.co/zNhLb1S/Whats-App-Image-2020-11-26-at-06-21-45.jpg) (http://ibb.co/257LPwj)

Once i finish my tattoos, and return to the gym, and do some other stuff, i expect things to get a lot better, i been super liked numerous times on tinder by very attractive women (They can only give out 5 a day, so i must be in their top 5 in that day). I was told by one of the women i see casually, she wants to do a photoshot with me , because i look like good .



I have noticed i am emotionally void, it is effective because women don't hurt me, i am able to move away from the women i don't like, and focus on the women i do like. I have some i see a few times a week, when i need something casual
(http://i.ibb.co/7X2jS1N/Whats-App-Image-2020-11-26-at-06-26-22.jpg) (http://ibb.co/ZVWGfM1)
Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: japtats on November 25, 2020, 11:46:20 PM
I have someone coming to me maybe this friday or next, it is someone serious. I explained to her why i am emotionally not open, and she understands, and is willing to work at it and make me more open. I like her, because she is VERY focused on making me happy, going to the gym, cooking, having a family, and such , she is 21. It started with her messaging me first, shocked by my look (Not the women above).


I had an experience with a woman recently which sums up why i am so different to Ukrainians. Basically my tattoo master has always told me , that my mentality is interesting and different. I am ambitious, strong, don't let failure to stop me, and ready to fight for what i want. I am focused , and take pride in whatever i do in life, and see it till the end, some traits that Ukrainians don't have, they tend to give up on life. He said he notices this in foreigners, whereas ukrainians are dull for him, lack drive.

I met a girl, she came to my place, we spoke 3 hours, it was a great conversation, but we had so many differences which reinforced what my artist said. She came up with excuses on why people don't achieve in ukraine, i told her my life story (like others), and they are always shocked how a guy like me exists, but there is a lot of victim mentality here, where they expect people to give up in life. After the date, she told me i am very interesting, but we don't' share the same outlook, i said this to my tattoo master, and he says he understands, that us foreigners are very different, how we view life and willing to work through failure. This was the common difference between me and her , she kept on getting frustrated because I didn't accept excuses. She understood that I was right , and kept saying her book said the same thing as me , but it is hard for people to truly accept that they can change their lives. Many people claim to be intelligent, because they can memorise a book, but cannot apply what is written in their books . The world has so much to offer, but people fail not at understanding the world, but actually fail at applying what they know they need to do . This is why some are better suited for jobs , it is easier when someone holds their hand

You really can't help some people, they want everything quick, but not willing to work for a long period of time, give their heart to what they want, and willing to grind it out for a long period of time. They come up with 100 excuses, and expect me to nod at those excuses. I came from a place much harder, more hopeless, and smiled in the grind, still smile working 80 to 100 hours a week . They cannot comprehend how I did and still do this.
Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: japtats on November 27, 2020, 12:24:20 AM
DragonKid, you are making a huge, huge, huge mistake covering yourself in tattoos. I cannot emphasize enough what a colossal mistake you are making by covering yourself in tattoos.

Seriously DragonKid, no more tattoos, you need to stop it. It is going to be much more difficult now for you to find a marriage-caliber woman with all of the tats. You can still do it of course, but you just shrank the available pool of women for marriage for yourself by probably 90 to 95%. Why would you just make it exponentially harder for yourself to find a high-quality woman for marriage by covering yourself in tattoos ??  (Face Palm)

The tattoos are fun for me, i had a panic attack doing my stomach, as i have a lot of nerves there. After i told myself i would never do my Ribs, as the Ribs are hell. 2 days later i told my tattoo master we will cover my ribs next week, with the biggest tattoo possible, that weekend i got both ribs done. I made sure there was no way i could back down, for me it is a game on how much i am willing to sacrifice to do what i want (pain, stopping the gym, sacrificing time).

A lot of people have successful businesses, careers, but that is all they have, one pillar. Some people go to the gym, great body, but that is all they have. Rarely can people do multiple pillars in life, and i want to do multiple pillars. For me there is no good or bad girls, there are girls you just don't get on with.

I had bad girls who were crazy about me, and then typical 'good girl', who didn't like me because they realised i wasn't going to go on 10 dates with them without sex talking about how much they mean to me.When you are good at what you do, you attract people who want you. I am focused on being the best i can be, i have seen it pay off, and i am no way done, i have a lot more to develop with these pillars.

The actual human potential is very scary, when the mind wants to push the body to its limits. I want to see how far i can go. I don't really know where it can go , but that for me is the fun part. Seeing how i develop , the things i had to do to get there, and the stories i will tell my kids

I advise men pursing FSUW not to get tattoos, not to have a beard. But i will those things , as they are for me, and i like them , and that is what matters, what i like, and attracting the people who can accept/like the things i have.
Title: Re: Japtats Trip report
Post by: japtats on November 28, 2020, 02:03:41 PM
Firstly what i post is a correlation, there are outliers. I think we all can agree when someone says something, they don't believe it is the absolute truth. Guess what, alot of science is correlations, not absolute truths.

Funny thing, last night i was talkign to a woman, she was from Kiev, never worked in her life, 24 years old, she said she didn't care what a man did for a living, wanted true love. She didn't care if a man lost it all, she would love him still. What do you think? A girl like that, dressed ellegantly, never worked a day in her life, first first tells me she is looking for true love. Do you think i should trust what she says?

What I think doesn't matter.  I'm not engaging with her.


I don't happen to believe correlations are particularly useful in human relationships. 


This post was composed without the aid of google.


I took these comments from another thread. basically i told this story to my tattoo master today (Guy in ukraine), when i told him the first part about how she said she was looking for love his eyes rolled, he basically seen these type of women often, ones who claim true love, keep talking about love in first few lines, not having a career , yet dressed elegantly. These are the correlations i was talking about, only type of women you spot if you been in FSU for a bit of time. He did say she may have had rich parents, but from our conversations, i doubt it, she was just very dependent on a man's income, and felt like the type to brainwash a man heavily with true love talks.

I did talk with a woman today that most would say is a 'good girl', but compared to the other woman, this woman didn't talk so much about love etc, but conversation was more natural etc, real 'good girls' are more natural with how they describe what they want, not over the top with the whole love aspect.