Russian Women Discussion

RWD Discussion Groups => Experienced => Topic started by: msmob on November 19, 2020, 06:09:03 AM

Title: Knowing her language..why it is useful.
Post by: msmob on November 19, 2020, 06:09:03 AM
30 mins ago, SC calls as the car will not start.

It is a car I have never seen and she bought as a run around in Russia...thinking she would keep one for when we visit...

 She hasn't used it for a week and it wouldn't start .

I was able to speak to a neighbour, a yacht mate and biz partner and get the battery tested..only 7 volts, a 'smok'...jump leads and determine which battery to order from her VIN number ..

Some say Russians are 'cold and unfriendly'...?

It just helps to be able to have simple vocab in a crisis..

Wifey called ME and 'International rescue' kicked into operation..

Only a child of the 60's or 90's might know the Thunderbirds)

SC is en route to an autoshop to have a new battery....
Title: Re: Knowing her language..why it is useful.
Post by: ML on November 19, 2020, 09:34:19 AM
Moby, sure your example shows how language ability was helpful.
But as sophisticated people here, we have to know how to think of probabilities and tradeoffs.

So what is the probability that a Western guy will be helping his FSU wife with a car problem she is having in her home country ?  Probably close to zero.

Now, in the rare case that he is called on to help, and has the language ability to help, how much time was spent in achieving that ability and how much earnings power (from his profession) did he give up to achieve that ability?

In my case, I would have forgone hundreds of thousands of dollars in consulting income to gain Russian or Ukrainian language skills.

With the money that I did earn, I could buy a woman a new car in FSU rather than forgo those earning and only be able to help with a battery.
Title: Re: Knowing her language..why it is useful.
Post by: msmob on November 19, 2020, 10:06:12 AM
ML

It is a courtesy to try and know some words of one's beloved's lingo.

When did you last travel with her to visit family / friends?



Title: Re: Knowing her language..why it is useful.
Post by: ML on November 19, 2020, 10:13:28 AM
ML

It is a courtesy to try and know some words of one's beloved's lingo.



I already posted the logical surrejoinder to your rejoinder before you made it.
Title: Re: Knowing her language..why it is useful.
Post by: msmob on November 19, 2020, 10:14:48 AM
No..you didn't / haven't

Your stance is not logical.

However, there my response on same will end.

Title: Re: Knowing her language..why it is useful.
Post by: ML on November 19, 2020, 10:16:03 AM
ML

When did you last travel with her to visit family / friends?

Never have, never will; nor does she want it.

She says parents would be terrified.
Title: Re: Knowing her language..why it is useful.
Post by: Rosco on November 19, 2020, 02:34:02 PM
Knowing how to communicate in pigeon Russian is advantageous.

Buying a reasonably decent car or being able to afford a recovery call/garage bill to fix a minor mechanical issue is advantageous. Wasting time trying to communicate with your partner in mixed lingo and then calling round her English speaking neighbours to get voltage readings is bizarre.

ML knows the deal.
Title: Re: Knowing her language..why it is useful.
Post by: 2tallbill on November 19, 2020, 02:52:40 PM
Knowing how to communicate in pigeon Russian is advantageous.

For sure it is.
Title: Re: Knowing her language..why it is useful.
Post by: mhr7 on November 19, 2020, 03:21:52 PM
Pidgin Russian.
Title: Re: Knowing her language..why it is useful.
Post by: Rosco on November 19, 2020, 03:30:57 PM
Pidgin Russian.

Ironic isnít it?!
Title: Re: Knowing her language..why it is useful.
Post by: msmob on November 19, 2020, 11:42:09 PM
Knowing how to communicate in pigeon Russian is advantageous.

Buying a reasonably decent car or being able to afford a recovery call/garage bill to fix a minor mechanical issue is advantageous. Wasting time trying to communicate with your partner in mixed lingo and then calling round her English speaking neighbours to get voltage readings is bizarre.

ML knows the deal.

Rosco,

Being able to diagnose the issue on Skype,  then being able to ask friends you know have meters to confirm the remote diagnosis, then bring 'smoke', ( English pronunciation of Russian word for jump leads  which I learnt , yesterday) get the car going, drive to the autoshop and pay for a new battery you had agreed on a price beforehand,  is smart.

IF you prefer calling out a mechanic to recover a simple  fault.. There is no reliable AA(A) coverage. I pay for Eurocover for my car.

Your suggestion the car is not decent / reliable when the issue is only a new battery is telling.


For those who know..Batteries in hotter climes last less long than in temperate / cool ones..  c. three years as opposed to five.

In addition, SC's car is used for short, infrequent, urban runs....especially, in the summer months...and in Sochi.. their August  'lasted' nearly  3.5 months..

The vehicle is based on a Mitsbubishi . Hardly known for unreliability..


As you do visit your parents in law, I fail to see how to are in ML's camp....
Title: Re: Knowing her language..why it is useful.
Post by: 2tallbill on November 20, 2020, 01:31:39 AM
As you do visit your parents in law, I fail to see how to are in ML's camp....

Rosco did not say that he avoids his inlaws and he didn't say that learning
some caveman Russian (my level) isn't helpful. He said the opposite of that.

Apparently you and ML have already discussed your disagreements on this.
I don't remember the thread so I don't want to assume what the arguments entailed.

Title: Re: Knowing her language..why it is useful.
Post by: Rosco on November 20, 2020, 02:14:46 AM
Rosco did not say that he avoids his inlaws and he didn't say that learning
some caveman Russian (my level) isn't helpful. He said the opposite of that.

Apparently you and ML have already discussed your disagreements on this.
I don't remember the thread so I don't want to assume what the arguments entailed.

Thank you Bill, you are absolutely correct.
Title: Re: Knowing her language..why it is useful.
Post by: Rosco on November 20, 2020, 02:22:41 AM
Rosco,

Being able to diagnose the issue on Skype,  then being able to ask friends you know have meters to confirm the remote diagnosis, then bring 'smoke', ( English pronunciation of Russian word for jump leads  which I learnt , yesterday) get the car going, drive to the autoshop and pay for a new battery you had agreed on a price beforehand,  is smart.

IF you prefer calling out a mechanic to recover a simple  fault.. There is no reliable AA(A) coverage. I pay for Eurocover for my car.

Your suggestion the car is not decent / reliable when the issue is only a new battery is telling.


For those who know..Batteries in hotter climes last less long than in temperate / cool ones..  c. three years as opposed to five.

In addition, SC's car is used for short, infrequent, urban runs....especially, in the summer months...and in Sochi.. their August  'lasted' nearly  3.5 months..

The vehicle is based on a Mitsbubishi . Hardly known for unreliability..


As you do visit your parents in law, I fail to see how to are in ML's camp....

My wife also has a little run around. Easy to park and great for short distance commutes. We pay extra so that when she has Ďcar issuesí and Iím away with work, she calls a number and they fix the issue for her. No fuss, no hassle and no stress.

Phoning round the neighbours, friends and family to diagnose issues and communicate in multiple languages seems like hassle to me. My point was, it would be more costly for me to be doing what you do rather than pay for a breakdown cover or an extended warranty.

Itís more costly for some of us to drop our day job to rescue the wife at home and her runaround. Weíre not always there to help when things go wrong. ML essentially said it too.

I agree itís helpful knowing some lingo but I disagree with your example above. That seems silly to me.
Title: Re: Knowing her language..why it is useful.
Post by: msmob on November 20, 2020, 02:41:31 AM
Rosco did not say that he avoids his inlaws and he didn't say that learning
some caveman Russian (my level) isn't helpful. He said the opposite of that.

Apparently you and ML have already discussed your disagreements on this.
I don't remember the thread so I don't want to assume what the arguments entailed.

Q/ I have Beel in ignore ..WHY can I see his posts?)

2/ I have not suggested Rosco is voiding his PiL..quite the opposite)

This is a thread about knowing some Russian..

I am deririving some amusement from the lack of English comprehension...

ANYWAY..
Some good came from SC's little hiccup with the battery.

The man at the autoshop showed her how she can start her car remotely...)
Title: Re: Knowing her language..why it is useful.
Post by: Rosco on November 20, 2020, 02:53:20 AM
Q/ I have Beel in ignore ..wWHY can I see his posts?)

2/ I have not suggested Rosco is voiding his PiL..quite the opposite)

This is a thread about knowing some Russian..

I am deririving some amusement from the lack of English comprehension...

ANYWAY..
Some good came from SC's little hiccup with the battery.

The man at the autoshop showed her how she can start her car remotely...)

With all due respect Moby, I wouldnít be too smug when suggesting that the English comprehension of other posters, is providing you with amusement. Your written English is often poor and the grammar sloppy which leads to confusion.
Title: Re: Knowing her language..why it is useful.
Post by: msmob on November 20, 2020, 03:32:08 AM
First the car's reliability
..and now my 'English'..)

Perhaps you should just say, "Yes Moby was correct to point out Beel's error in respect to my PiL"

No problem, Rosco...' doffed cap...and moving '..

So easy..



Title: Re: Knowing her language..why it is useful.
Post by: Rosco on November 20, 2020, 04:02:37 AM
First the car's reliability
..and now my 'English'..)

Perhaps you should just say, "Yes Moby was correct to point out Beel's error in respect to my PiL"

No problem, Rosco...' doffed cap...and moving '..

So easy..

No. Thatís not how adults behave Moby. Your punctuation in this post alone is poor and if you read up thread itís littered with spelling mistakes. You also told us that the car had broken down, what is there to debate here?

You laugh at other peopleís english comprehension but fail to write with clarity in your own tongue, creating further misunderstanding outside of your opinion.

This conversation is now over Moby but you expecting people to apologise for your own failings, isnít a good look.
Title: Re: Knowing her language..why it is useful.
Post by: msmob on November 20, 2020, 06:22:04 AM
'OK'

Being 'criticised' by a 'pigeon' English and reliable car specialist will have to be enough for one day.)
Title: Re: Knowing her language..why it is useful.
Post by: 2tallbill on November 20, 2020, 08:54:06 AM
Q/ I have Beel in ignore ..WHY can I see his posts?)

That feature barely works slightly more than half the time.
I had others on ignore but I could see their posts.

Udachi!

Bill
Title: Re: Knowing her language..why it is useful.
Post by: ML on November 20, 2020, 10:00:45 AM
Why use Ignore ?

My computer has scroll feature.
Title: Knowing her language..why it is useful.
Post by: 2tallbill on November 20, 2020, 12:04:07 PM
Why use Ignore ?

My computer has scroll feature.

I can only answer for myself.

Most of the time I am indifferent to bilge and I have nobody on ignore. 
Occasionally somebody gets on my nerves to the point that not reading
their bilge makes me a happier man. I'm all for Moby being happy.

Title: Re: Knowing her language..why it is useful.
Post by: ML on November 21, 2020, 03:57:06 PM

Occasionally somebody gets on my nerves to the point that not reading
their bilge makes me a happier man.

Again . . . my computer has scroll function.
Title: Re: Knowing her language..why it is useful.
Post by: Boethius on November 22, 2020, 02:31:12 AM
My wife also has a little run around. Easy to park and great for short distance commutes. We pay extra so that when she has Ďcar issuesí and Iím away with work, she calls a number and they fix the issue for her. No fuss, no hassle and no stress.

Phoning round the neighbours, friends and family to diagnose issues and communicate in multiple languages seems like hassle to me. My point was, it would be more costly for me to be doing what you do rather than pay for a breakdown cover or an extended warranty.

Itís more costly for some of us to drop our day job to rescue the wife at home and her runaround. Weíre not always there to help when things go wrong. ML essentially said it too.

I agree itís helpful knowing some lingo but I disagree with your example above. That seems silly to me.


IMHO, you missed the point.  The point is not about fixing the car.  It is about being the man and taking care of the issue.  I would hazard a guess SC could have dealt with the issue herself.  After all, she's been single most of her life, and had to deal with things on her own.  She wanted her husband to make arrangements to deal with the issue, even if he was not physically there to do so.  It's partly about how he cares for her.


This post was composed without the aid of google. 
Title: Re: Knowing her language..why it is useful.
Post by: msmob on November 22, 2020, 04:15:06 AM
))
 Boethius nailed it...

OF COURSE, SC would have sorted it...Paid more and waited longer.

I am not aware of an AA(A) breakdown service in Russia...(Rosco alluded to such being a sensible measure) If there is one..Please let us know.





Title: Re: Knowing her language..why it is useful.
Post by: I/O on November 22, 2020, 10:45:14 AM
I am not aware of an AA(A) breakdown service in Russia...
RUAMC
Title: Re: Knowing her language..why it is useful.
Post by: msmob on November 22, 2020, 11:28:45 AM
http://www.ruamc.ru/en

AND.. they have a Sochi branch

Thank you VERY much, I/O

(http://www.ruamc.ru/files/images/travel/a7acc95ec50906960dfd4ffd08af3de9.png)

Title: Re: Knowing her language..why it is useful.
Post by: ML on November 24, 2020, 04:44:31 PM
Speaking of languages . . . we regularly watch Rick Steves' travel segments on PBS.

Wife notices how many of the words in Poland, Czech, Slovakia, etc., are similar to Ukrainian words.
Title: Re: Knowing her language..why it is useful.
Post by: msmob on November 24, 2020, 08:53:24 PM
Your wife is bang on.. That's because such nations languages ARE closer..

Russian is the least close cousin.

Title: Re: Knowing her language..why it is useful.
Post by: Boethius on November 25, 2020, 01:05:24 AM
No, I believe that's untrue.  All those languages are based on Old Church Slavonic.  There was a split at some point, but Ukrainian grammar is more similar to Russian than it is to any Western Slavic language.  Serbian and Russian are probably the closest to each other, although the Serbs have adopted many Turkish origin words.   The next closest is Ukrainian and Russian (I'd say about 75-80%), then Czech and Russian (probably about the same as Ukrainian). 

Ukrainian lexicon has similarities to both Eastern and Western Slavic languages.  Many words are the same as in Western Slavic languages (kachka for duck, for example, which is used in Western Slavic languages, but is originally a Turkish root word), but it also uses many words that are similar to Russian, or Ukrainian has words similar to both.  For example, in Western Ukraine, many Ukrainians used "harbata" for tea (herbata in Polish, and this is a Polish influence), but in Ivano Frankivsk, where people always spoke Ukrainian, most people use "chai" (same as Russian).  Ukrainians use zhuravel, butsel, and leleka for stork, depending on the region.  In some, people use all three.  Most Ukrainians would use "shlunku" for stomach, but in most regions of Ivano Frankivsk, they would use "zheludok", which Russians use as well.  Ukrainians use "ochi" for eyes.  That is used in Western Slavic languages, but was also used in Old Church Slavonic, and at one point in Russian, though no longer.

There are regions of Ukraine where the population speaks a Ukrainian dialect that I have trouble understanding (for example, around the Chernobyl' region).  The better half, a native Russian speaker who taught himself Ukrainian as a teen, has no issue understanding any dialect across Ukraine, and his Ukrainian is so fluent that the old generation here, who emigrated from Ukraine as adults and who largely spoke Ukrainian and sometimes, Polish, assumed he was a native speaker.  His "ov" endings are Russian ("off"), however, this is how native Ukrainians in say, Kyiv, now speak, the result of intense Russification. Note - When I pointed this out to him, he told me he is saying it correctly, but I know that was not the case, although arguably, we're both right, as languages evolve.  He also knows Old Church Slavonic, so he can speak many Slavic languages fluently.  He once told me that Ukrainian is the "key" language to learning all the Slavic languages, but I suspect knowing OCS is probably as, if not more, important.

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Title: Re: Knowing her language..why it is useful.
Post by: mhr7 on November 25, 2020, 01:22:32 AM
I found this online-

Modern research shows that the Ukrainian language is closer to other Slavic languages: Belarusian (29 common characteristics), Czech and Slovak (23), Polish (22), Croatian and Bulgarian (21), and only 11 common characteristics with Russian.

Some linguists, on the basis of these facts, even place doubt that Russian and Ukrainian should be placed in a single language group.

Statistics show that only 62% of words shared between Russian and Ukrainian have common characteristics. Therefore, the Russian language in relation to similarities with Ukrainian, sits at fifth place behind Polish, Czech, Slovak, and Belarusian. To note in comparison, English and Dutch are lexically more similar at 63% in shared common characteristics, which is more than Russian and Ukrainian.


http://folkways.today/different-russian-ukrainian-language/

I was always under the impression Ukrainian was closer to Belarusian and Polish than it was to Russian. But my Russian friends have told me that Russian and Polish are very close to each other as well even though Polish has several of its own sounds and I believe 1 more case, as does Ukrainian, yes?
Title: Re: Knowing her language..why it is useful.
Post by: Boethius on November 25, 2020, 01:31:47 AM
Polish and Russian also have many similarities.  Ukrainian is one of my mother tongues (English is the other), and I found Russian, for me, to be the easiest to understand of all the Slavic languages.  I have never heard Belarussian, so I can't comment on it.  My mother finds Russian and Polish to be equally easy to understand. 


I think that now, Russian and Ukrainian are more closely related because of intense Russification in Ukraine throughout most of the 20th century. 


The better half says there are more similarities between Ukrainian and Russian than Polish and Russian, but he has also said that Russian and Polish are very similar.  He noted that many parts of what is now Russia (Smolensk, for example) were once ruled by Poles.


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Title: Re: Knowing her language..why it is useful.
Post by: mhr7 on November 25, 2020, 02:08:51 AM
I know prominent linguist John McWhorter has said that Polish is the most difficult Slavic language for a native English speaker to learn. He tried learning Russian and came to the conclusion that it is a hoax played on the world by the Russians because no one could actually speak such a difficult language.
Title: Re: Knowing her language..why it is useful.
Post by: msmob on November 25, 2020, 02:18:03 AM
Jeez,  am I about to try to 'argue the point with a near native speaker.. ?)

In 2004 I dated a professional of Language methodology .  She spoke Serbo-Croat, Russian, Ukrainian, Polish, Czech, English and Gerrman..than I can remember.



She showed my a chart of interactions / commonality between the Slavic languages and I based my words on her research.

Russian had the least commonality, but indeed S.Croat was closer than Ukrainian to Russian.

I will dig out the chart. It lies on an old hard drive from the early naughties ..but I thought I had posted it here.
Title: Re: Knowing her language..why it is useful.
Post by: Boethius on November 25, 2020, 02:41:47 AM
I know prominent linguist John McWhorter has said that Polish is the most difficult Slavic language for a native English speaker to learn. He tried learning Russian and came to the conclusion that it is a hoax played on the world by the Russians because no one could actually speak such a difficult language.

I suspect that is his subjective opinion.  Ukrainian has one more case than does Russian or Polish, although it is rarely used.  I suspect all Slavic languages are about the same, in terms of difficulty learning for non native speakers.  I don't know why I found Russian easier to understand than Polish.  I heard Polish from time to time as a child, but never Russian.  Perhaps it's the sounds?  Russian and Ukrainian have that as well, but it's more subtle, as many of those sounds exist in English, but not in the same way ("l" for example).

Jeez,  am I about to try to 'argue the point with a near native speaker.. ?)

In 2004 I dated a professional of Language methodology .  She spoke Serbo-Croat, Russian, Ukrainian, Polish, Czech, English and Gerrman..than I can remember.

She showed my a chart of interactions / commonality between the Slavic languages and I based my words on her research.

Russian had the least commonality, but indeed S.Croat was closer than Ukrainian to Russian.

I will dig out the chart. It lies on an old hard drive from the early naughties ..but I thought I had posted it here.

I am a native speaker of Ukrainian.  The better half is a native speaker of Russian, and I would consider him a native speaker of Ukrainian, because his Ukrainian is of native fluency and he has a Kyivan Ukrainian accent.  He never mixes the languages, and can't speak surzhyk.

Here is a recent study that found a linguistic similarity of just under 75% between Russian and Ukrainian.

http://www.aclweb.org/anthology/W19-0802.pdf (http://www.aclweb.org/anthology/W19-0802.pdf)

Google was used to find the above cite.
Title: Re: Knowing her language..why it is useful.
Post by: japtats on November 26, 2020, 07:37:28 AM
Work on your income rather than your russian ability. A lot of people in FSU speak English already , a lot of members in this forum had their wives leave them when their income took a hit. Doesn't matter what you say in Russian, stop over complicating stuff , work on things that matter rather than distract yourself with the next shiny thing

 I have muscles and tattoos , I been able to pull off being broke and dated very beautiful women, but I am an outlier . Not a typical bloke . I still will say work on your income , there is plenty women fluent in English . Focus on them , if you cannot make it work with them , then I question if you are a man of value . , if you are not a man of value . Become a man of value , stop looking for dumb shortcuts, go work harder on your income, go to the gym , stop being a Pussy

Russian takes 1500 hours to learn , plus you need to continuously practice .if you are someone where it is required for your income , go for it



Title: Re: Knowing her language..why it is useful.
Post by: japtats on November 26, 2020, 08:09:53 AM
Reminds there was a fellow on another forum , he was fluent in russian, wanted to be a english teacher, and live in moscow, 3 months in moscow, he didn't get laid, i don't know how long it took him to get laid. But each woman he met had no attraction to him. I been Moscow countless times, if you have your shit together, don't look like you just came out of an car accident , you have NO EXCUSE TO HAVE BLUE BALLS. He simply focused way too much on learning russian to impress women, and not on the other stuff, i bet the women he met were already fluent in english.
Title: Knowing her language..why it is useful.
Post by: 2tallbill on November 26, 2020, 11:03:16 AM
Reminds there was a fellow on another forum , he was fluent in russian, wanted to be a english teacher, and live in moscow, 3 months in moscow, he didn't get laid, i don't know how long it took him to get laid. But each woman he met had no attraction to him. I been Moscow countless times, if you have your shit together, don't look like you just came out of an car accident , you have NO EXCUSE TO HAVE BLUE BALLS. He simply focused way too much on learning russian to impress women, and not on the other stuff, i bet the women he met were already fluent in english.

If he spent 3 months in Moscow then there were probably multiple reasons that he
wasn't getting any TLC from the women there.   

When you know what you are doing, knowing what you are about, knowing what
you want gives you confidence and women all around the world LOVE confidence.
Lacking confidence or worse showing desperation is an anti-aphrodisiac.   

Ben Stiller rubs one out before meeting Mary so he doesn't come across as desperate.
http://youtu.be/RC8wEqUHA2Q

Title: Re: Knowing her language..why it is useful.
Post by: japtats on November 26, 2020, 11:22:58 AM
If he spent 3 months in Moscow then there were probably multiple reasons that he
wasn't getting any TLC from the women there.   

When you know what you are doing, knowing what you are about, knowing what
you want gives you confidence and women all around the world LOVE confidence.
Lacking confidence or worse showing desperation is an anti-aphrodisiac.   

Ben Stiller rubs one out before meeting Mary so he doesn't come across as desperate.
http://youtu.be/RC8wEqUHA2Q

Well he was previously married to a FSUW, moved to the West with her, after a few years, she left him (i presume after the greencard).
Title: Re: Knowing her language..why it is useful.
Post by: ML on November 26, 2020, 11:52:42 AM
Ben Stiller rubs one out before meeting Mary so he doesn't come across as desperate.


I remember doing this twice when I was meeting a gal for third time (different gals) and I thought there wasn't much of a chance for sex and I already had blue balls.

I was wrong both times, they were aggressive, and I regretted my earlier action.
Title: Re: Knowing her language..why it is useful.
Post by: Boethius on November 26, 2020, 12:20:48 PM
Work on your income rather than your russian ability. A lot of people in FSU speak English already , a lot of members in this forum had their wives leave them when their income took a hit. Doesn't matter what you say in Russian, stop over complicating stuff , work on things that matter


If you are marrying for money, then of course a hit to income will result in divorce.  If you marry for love, it won't.


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Title: Re: Knowing her language..why it is useful.
Post by: msmob on November 26, 2020, 12:21:41 PM
I had blue balls when I was sailing in '73 and capsized in February ( I wasn't at the helm) and wasn't wearing a wet suit


You guys across the pond screwed up re English meanings, again ! ;)

"chiefly US slang. : pain of the testes and scrotum occurring after prolonged sexual arousal without orgasm"

Persistent genital arousal disorder (PGAD) is, typically,  not relieved by orgasm and it is not confined to males ...



Title: Re: Knowing her language..why it is useful.
Post by: japtats on November 26, 2020, 12:36:10 PM

If you are marrying for money, then of course a hit to income will result in divorce.  If you marry for love, it won't.


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That is not the point (Another strawman attempt , i notice this is your style), the point is income is much more important. You made a comment on here about being a man for sorting out an issue. Why not pay someone? Am i less of a man because i cannot fix a leaking tap? I call my landlord, they bring someone in a few hours, it is done. I pay someone.

Is Elon Musk , Jeff Bezos less intelligent than you because they can only speak ONE language? They are focused changing the world, please go read about on Elon Musk, and try make the argument that a FSUW will think he is less of a man because he cannot speak to a mechanic in Russian. Sometimes i wonder what some of you are really thinking.

We have 24 hours in a day, some of us choose to spend it on working on areas we feel are more important than learning a language, to look for a short period of time. That is the point, not if the language is useful, but how useful it is? Compared to other areas, ML put it perfectly, maybe read his post again, and try and comprehend what he wrote.
Title: Re: Knowing her language..why it is useful.
Post by: msmob on November 26, 2020, 12:44:14 PM
That is not the point (Another strawman attempt , i notice this is your style), the point is income is much more important. You made a comment on here about being a man for sorting out an issue. Why not pay someone? Am i less of a man because i cannot fix a leaking tap? I call my landlord, they bring someone in a few hours, it is done. I pay someone.

Is Elon Musk , Jeff Bezos less intelligent than you because they can only speak ONE language? They are focused changing the world, please go read about on Elon Musk, and try make the argument that a FSUW will think he is less of a man because he cannot speak to a mechanic in Russian. Sometimes i wonder what some of you are really thinking.

We have 24 hours in a day, some of us choose to spend it on working on areas we feel are more important than learning a language, to look for a short period of time. That is the point, not if the language is useful, but how useful it is? Compared to other areas, ML put it perfectly, maybe read his post again, and try and comprehend what he wrote.

FACTS:

Elon Musk is a native of S.Africa and in all likelihood understands Afrikaans even if he doesn't speak it so well .. He may know some Khosa and Zulu..

Jeff Bezos is born of a Cuban father who didn't speak English 'til 16..  It is pretty likely his son knows some some Spanish ..


Guess what... ?  Their respective parents learnt the local lingo..

Penny dropping for folks who doth protest too much ?

Title: Re: Knowing her language..why it is useful.
Post by: Boethius on November 26, 2020, 01:18:46 PM
That is not the point (Another strawman attempt , i notice this is your style), the point is income is much more important. You made a comment on here about being a man for sorting out an issue. Why not pay someone? Am i less of a man because i cannot fix a leaking tap? I call my landlord, they bring someone in a few hours, it is done. I pay someone.

Learning enough of a language, particularly in a country in which you are living, is about respect to the country you are living in.  It also doesn't hurt to learn a bit about its culture. That is hardly a "strawman" argument.

I didn't post that one must be a man to sort out an issue.  You misunderstood this, partly, I suspect, because you (a) read literally; (b) have never been in a long term relationship (I mean more than say, five years); and (c) don't understand a woman's mentality.   The point was that a wife wanted her man to sort out the issue for her.  As I posted. I have little doubt SC could have sorted the issue out for herself.  What she wanted was not for moby to fix the car.  She wanted him to show her that she mattered to him, so much so, that he was willing to sort out a relatively minor issue with her car from thousands of miles away.  Not every woman would have done this.  Some would have called the motor association.  Others would have called a relative or neighbour.  SC may have done one of those things in any event.  What she wanted to know was that her man cared enough about her that he was willing to deal with the problem.  It has zero to do with money.  It's about the time and caring he devotes to her.  Obviously, you don't understand that because you focus on money.  You will attract a woman based on the "bait" you use.  Use money as your lure, and you will attract a particular type. Nothing wrong with that, if that's what you want.  But what binds you together will be money, and little more. 

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Is Elon Musk , Jeff Bezos less intelligent than you because they can only speak ONE language? They are focused changing the world, please go read about on Elon Musk, and try make the argument that a FSUW will think he is less of a man because he cannot speak to a mechanic in Russian. Sometimes i wonder what some of you are really thinking.

I never said anything about intelligence.  And again, you missed the point.  See above.

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We have 24 hours in a day, some of us choose to spend it on working on areas we feel are more important than learning a language, to look for a short period of time. That is the point, not if the language is useful, but how useful it is? Compared to other areas, ML put it perfectly, maybe read his post again, and try and comprehend what he wrote.

I understood what ML posted perfectly well, probably better than did you.  Is posting here more useful than learning the language of the country in which you are currently living?  Or earning income?  Or even chasing girls?

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Title: Re: Knowing her language..why it is useful.
Post by: japtats on November 26, 2020, 01:38:39 PM
Obviously, you don't understand that because you focus on money.  You will attract a woman based on the "bait" you use.  Use money as your lure, and you will attract a particular type. Nothing wrong with that, if that's what you want.  But what binds you together will be money, and little more.  [/size]


What baits them is my tinder profile is me in my boxers topless, with rope and BDSM gear. The icing on the cake is when they talk to me and realise i am not a fool who poses with IphoneX on contract, wearing a blazer that cost half of monthly earnings. The women i attract actually want a lot less than what i earn, they want stability. But for me, my focus (I need to correct you), is not about money, it is being the best i can be, in what i do. Hence why i value creators, and people who actually make bold moves, whereas you value people who talk about books, specific authors and such. We admire different things in people, even from our conversations, it is clear your interest in more in money than myself, i like helping people, which as of result generates a small income, which grows as i get better at what i do, which i enjoy doing.



I understood what ML posted perfectly well, probably better than did you.  Is posting here more useful than learning the language of the country in which you are currently living?  Or earning income?  Or even chasing girls?
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Bit of a random thing to say? I post here as it helps me understand certain things, also i need timeout from doing what i do, as it requires a lot of mental concentration.
Title: Re: Knowing her language..why it is useful.
Post by: Boethius on November 26, 2020, 01:44:43 PM
What baits them is my tinder profile is me in my boxers topless, with rope and BDSM gear. The icing on the cake is when they talk to me and realise i am not a fool who poses with IphoneX on contract, wearing a blazer that cost half of monthly earnings. The women i attract actually want a lot less than what i earn, they want stability. But for me, my focus (I need to correct you), is not about money, it is being the best i can be, in what i do. Hence why i value creators, and people who actually make bold moves, whereas you value people who talk about books, specific authors and such. We admire different things in people, even from our conversations, it is clear your interest in more in money than myself, i like helping people, which as of result generates a small income, which grows as i get better at what i do, which i enjoy doing.


No and no.  You know nothing about me, about what I have lived, how I have lived, or what interests me, in people or otherwise. You are absolutely incorrect on both of the above bolded points.

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Bit of a random thing to say? I post here as it helps me understand certain things, also i need timeout from doing what i do, as it requires a lot of mental concentration.


Given you disagree with everything everyone posts here, how does it help you understand anything?


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Title: Re: Knowing her language..why it is useful.
Post by: japtats on November 26, 2020, 01:50:13 PM

Given you disagree with everything everyone posts here, how does it help you understand anything?


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I told you before, read what ML posted , actually i resonate more with his posts, than any other person. You at times post useful things, the only time i don't agree with someone, is probably Moby, as it contradicts his life experiences.
Title: Re: Knowing her language..why it is useful.
Post by: Boethius on November 26, 2020, 01:53:28 PM
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as it contradicts his life experiences

We all get it.  You. don't. like. moby.  But, you don't know his life experiences, beyond what he posts.  None of us do.

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