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Title: First meeting- Woman coming to your country or a neutral country.
Post by: Sting23 on November 23, 2017, 01:11:22 AM

I am talking to some women and one has brought up the possibility of coming to North America to meet me at her own expense.  Or made some suggestions about countries in Europe.  Logistically it would be much easier as I wouldn't need to apply for a new Russian visa and she has a current Schengen/US visa.

But I've heard some posters say don't meet the woman on a vacation trip for the first meeting.  I am not sure if I agree.  I think the added fun of a new place brings excitement.

Having lived in Russia already I don't have a strong desire to return.  I would prefer to visit some warm place especially during winter months.

Now I"ve talked with this lady on Skype, feel it's mutual and her intention is to meet.  She never asked about money so I know it's not with an ulterior motive.

Anyone else had this experience?
Title: Re: First meeting- Woman coming to your country or a neutral country.
Post by: CaptB on November 23, 2017, 04:38:35 AM
Who does not  want to go on a vacation ????!!!!! But you are looking for a life partner here (yes/no ?). Everyone "can" have a lot of fun on a vacation. And it is easy to be "someone else"..................on a "vacation". No judgement here. If you want a vacation with a nice women.....do it. If you are looking for a "life Partner"......save a vacation for after you have found someone.


What you will get on a "vacation":  Fun (hopefully). The company of a nice woman.......who is on "vacation" (You know the advertising......."What happens in Vega......stays in Vegas." You will have the companionship of someone who needs a "break" from everyday life...............at your expense (in most cases).


What you will get.......if you visit her on her own turf:  A woman "not on vacation".....but in her normal everyday routine. How she is at work. How her co-workers regard her .....as a person. Meeting her family.....and how they regard her.......as a person. Meeting her friends......and how they regard her as a person. I met all of these folks.......and the "ALL" told me how lucky I was......to even get a second date with her. Her attitude about her work, life, friends, family Etc. Etc.


Vacations are fun! But life has its ups and downs. People are (generally) on "good behavior".........................when the on vacation (accept maybe in Vegas:-). You can go on vacation now......and have fun for a few weeks..........and then get serious. Or........you can do the serious work "first".........and possibly be on vacation..........the rest of your life.


I get a little tired of a few members saying I am "old" (65).......and that the advice I have to offer worked back in the "dark ages". But some relationship advice is timeless. You have to decide whether you want a vacation now.........or a partner. There are a few (very few).......who went on a vacation....."and"......ended-up with a (good....longtime) relationship. But most had a lot of fun vacations.......then drive that a full-fledged relationship did not ensue...........after the vacation.


Most guys who post a request for advice on this subject (vacation vs visiting her "local" environment).......have already made (justified) up their mind........to go the "vacation" route. Just don't complain when things (a vacation).........does not turn into a......."relationship.


For the record......my wife (of 14+ years)......is a very intelligent/educated person. She fully understood why I wanted to meet her in......"her"......city.........for a "first" visit.
She was never looking for a "foreign" relationship. We hit it off in the first few days. We made 2 overnight trips to visit her friends.......in the 3 weeks I was in her city. Because of the "company" I was keeping (her)........I had a blast. No resorts.......no beaches......or foreign countries. It is the "people" I meet.....that usually make/or break a vacation for "me".


Sometimes you are on "vacation"................................and don't even know it...........


Capt B

Title: Re: First meeting- Woman coming to your country or a neutral country.
Post by: ML on November 23, 2017, 10:10:56 AM
She never asked about money so I know it's not with an ulterior motive.

The smart and experienced ones never ask for money 'too soon.'
Title: Re: First meeting- Woman coming to your country or a neutral country.
Post by: 2tallbill on November 23, 2017, 12:42:28 PM
I am talking to some women and one has brought up the possibility of coming to North America to meet me at her own expense.  Or made some suggestions about countries in Europe.  Logistically it would be much easier as I wouldn't need to apply for a new Russian visa and she has a current Schengen/US visa.

But I've heard some posters say don't meet the woman on a vacation trip for the first meeting.  I am not sure if I agree.  I think the added fun of a new place brings excitement.

Having lived in Russia already I don't have a strong desire to return.  I would prefer to visit some warm place especially during winter months.

Now I"ve talked with this lady on Skype, feel it's mutual and her intention is to meet.  She never asked about money so I know it's not with an ulterior motive.

Anyone else had this experience?

There are a hundred threads on this already and every aspect has been
discussed to death.

Generally it's recommend that you visit the girl in her country
for the first visit. There are a zillion reasons for this. What happens
if you don't like each other? It's happened to me. A girl flew to Portland
Oregon to meet me (on her own dime) and there was no chemistry. I left
her in Portland and drove back to North Dakota. (I lived there back then)

Imagine taking a nice little cruise with a girl you have never met.
Sound romantic? Sun, warm weather lots of skin and bikini's, but
then again you could be trapped on a cruise ship with a girl who
may not be even remotely likable. Have you seen the size of the
rooms on a cruise ship?

Angel Eyes came to visit me twice, but I had already visited her 4
times first.

You have to decide what's the purpose of this?

If the purpose is to find a soulmate to spend the rest of your life with,
my advice is to get on a plane and go see her and after you have met
her and both of you wish to continue, then you can meet in different
locales.



Title: Re: First meeting- Woman coming to your country or a neutral country.
Post by: Boethius on November 23, 2017, 01:13:56 PM
I think if you both want to meet in a vacation destination, go for it.  Book separate rooms.  Mention to the woman the issue on what to do if you don't click romantically.  Even if you don't, if you go somewhere you both would like to see, you can continue to sightsee as friends.


I don't think you get the rhythm of another's life in their hometown, even if you go there, unless you are living with that person. 




Title: Re: First meeting- Woman coming to your country or a neutral country.
Post by: Anotherkiwi on November 23, 2017, 05:25:40 PM
I think if you both want to meet in a vacation destination, go for it.  Book separate rooms.  Mention to the woman the issue on what to do if you don't click romantically.  Even if you don't, if you go somewhere you both would like to see, you can continue to sightsee as friends.

Although I wholeheartedly agree, this does go against the general tenor of advice here!  I think the key point here is "somewhere you both would like to see."  That way, the trip isn't a total bust, and you may even come across someone else who may become an object of your romantic interest.

I don't think you get the rhythm of another's life in their hometown, even if you go there, unless you are living with that person.

Depends.  The woman I visited on my first trip to Russia was a self-employed dressmaker, so no workmates to meet.  However, she lived with her mother and daughter, both of whom were delightful (I was being shown baby photos within ten minutes of meeting the mother  ;D, much to my friend's embarrassment), and I met some of her friends during my time there.  They were unanimous that she was a good person.
Title: Re: First meeting- Woman coming to your country or a neutral country.
Post by: Trenchcoat on November 23, 2017, 05:35:24 PM
Agree with CaptB & 2tallbill 100 percent. I think CaptB advice is very valuable & it's great you took the time out here to put it across so well.

Sting, I've done the holiday route and while it's fun it can be very detrimental to establishing a long term relationship. In essence the hurdle of visiting her in her home town has to be crossed anyway at some point so it's best it's up first. If the girl later refuses to see you in her home city (my mistake) then a lot of money been spent but you're no closer to getting to a long term relationship/marriage. After my previous experience I would only agree to visit a girl in her home city, I've had fun with the girls I met but as far as establishing a LTR going the holiday route if a girl brings it up is a big no, no. It's essential to get to know how a girl really is in a domestic setting in her home city I feel otherwise chances are you'll never see this if you go the holiday route first, your just seen as the temporary good time dude, not the serious permanent boyfriend dude.

ML advice is also very good. Watch out for girls that get you to commit to a holiday by booking up and then come out with some story about needing money for this or that, flights, hotel cost, etc. If she knows you are committed and can't easily pull out you'll be in the position of go without her and have a holiday most probably by yourself or accept her expenses. FSW can do this a bit, she may not but I would be on my guard against it.
Title: Re: First meeting- Woman coming to your country or a neutral country.
Post by: BillyB on November 23, 2017, 06:07:44 PM
But I've heard some posters say don't meet the woman on a vacation trip for the first meeting.  I am not sure if I agree.  I think the added fun of a new place brings excitement.



You should see her in her own environment. Check out if she has friends or if her family even likes her. You're looking for a wife, a person you can live with. Save the vacations for girlfriend and wives but first you need to determine if she is even worth getting into a relationship with.


Some guys travel to an exotic place for two weeks with a stranger they never met. First day it goes bad and you got to be with that person for 13 more days. If she and you were in her hometown, she could go home and you'd never see her again. You wouldn't have to feed her for 13 more days. You could meet and date other women, something you couldn't do if you had to take care of a person you didn't like or she doesn't like you.


Most importantly, challenge yourself to win the woman over based off who you are. Some guys try to get the edge by using money and vacations to get a woman to like them. They may never learn if the woman actually likes them based off their personality and character. If you get involved with a pro dater or vacation whore, don't be surprised if she gets wild and rebel when you try to get her to settle down and play housewife.
Title: Re: First meeting- Woman coming to your country or a neutral country.
Post by: calmissile on November 23, 2017, 06:20:54 PM
A couple comments on the topic...

I don't think it is a good idea to go to somewhere other than her hometown for the first visit.  By the same time, put yourself in her shoes.  She is not going to want to introduce you to her friends or family until she has determined if there is a spark between you and if she finds you suitable to meet her friends and family.

My suggestion is to meet for a couple hours for lunch or dinner and then both decide whether to proceed to a next date.  This gives both of you an opportunity to not go forward if the chemistry does not gel in the beginning.  If things do not work out in the beginning you can always have some backup contacts to try or simply take a vacation and learn more about the culture, etc.
Title: Re: First meeting- Woman coming to your country or a neutral country.
Post by: JayH on November 23, 2017, 07:11:49 PM
A couple comments on the topic...

I don't think it is a good idea to go to somewhere other than her hometown for the first visit.  By the same time, put yourself in her shoes.  She is not going to want to introduce you to her friends or family until she has determined if there is a spark between you and if she finds you suitable to meet her friends and family.

My suggestion is to meet for a couple hours for lunch or dinner and then both decide whether to proceed to a next date.  This gives both of you an opportunity to not go forward if the chemistry does not gel in the beginning.  If things do not work out in the beginning you can always have some backup contacts to try or simply take a vacation and learn more about the culture, etc.

I agree with Doug's comments here.
One comment I would make-- girls tend to work long hours -- and you( ie a guy visiting) needs to respect that and be prepared to work around her schedule . For me -- that is how real life is anywhere-- the biggest difference is she will have less free time than in the west.
Some girls will take time off--either a day or a few hours etc and once again ,my view is roll with it.
Guys get the idea that they are the ones putting themselves out,spending time and money to visit -- but-- it is an inconvenience for girls too.
A potential plus is seeing her in her world -- although-- guys should not expect to be included too fast .Meeting friends and family can be a big step-- so -- do nor presume it or expect it.
I am not in favour of going away to early --it only adds an unnecessary pressure. It may be the girl prefers to meet away from her home city -- the potential reasons have been discussed many times.I can accept that too as being valid.
If you think about it-- this first meeting should be about seeing someone in real life and deciding if another meeting is warranted  -- and not being locked into spending 5-10 days with each other!
That is a realistic approach,
Title: Re: First meeting- Woman coming to your country or a neutral country.
Post by: Trenchcoat on November 23, 2017, 09:35:08 PM
Hmmnn, I know I asked the question on here a few months back about why a girl is not keen for a guy to visit in her hometown and various responses were forthcoming. Sometimes a girl may tell you a reason such as there is nothing much there and/or better entertainment in other city, etc. I agree with the advice given earlier here though and go and visit the girl, if she says she wants to meet somewhere more exciting for both of you she probably has more herself in mind. Explanations have been made on here that its awkward for the girl to meet a foreign guy as the town talks. There may be some grounding to this but again I wonder if its more the town talks if they see a girl whoring herself out to a foreign dude for material gain.

I've seen comments on other threads when this topic has come up on here and they say that if a girl does not want to meet in her home town/doesn't want to risk being seen with him to her friends then she doesn't think much of/enough of the guy. Idk, I think any suggestion of a meet away from her home town is potentially because she does not want to meet you there - probably ever. So that to me is a real big red flag. I would ask her about the possibility of meeting in her home town and see how she responds. I personally think that the majority of the time if a girl rejects the idea of visiting her home town she most likely has insincere motives, i.e she does not view you as worthy for a real serious relationship.
Title: Re: First meeting- Woman coming to your country or a neutral country.
Post by: ML on November 23, 2017, 09:45:50 PM
FSU gals from smaller towns do have a very valid reason for not wanting to meet a western guy in their home town.

This has been discussed here several times in past.
All has to do with the various degrees of 'shame' or some such or at least extreme embarrassment that would befall them when nothing panned out from the relationship.

This reasoning however, does not apply (in general) to gals from the larger cities.
Title: Re: First meeting- Woman coming to your country or a neutral country.
Post by: JayH on November 24, 2017, 12:28:26 AM
FSU gals from smaller towns do have a very valid reason for not wanting to meet a western guy in their home town.

This has been discussed here several times in past.
All has to do with the various degrees of 'shame' or some such or at least extreme embarrassment that would befall them when nothing panned out from the relationship.

This reasoning however, does not apply (in general) to gals from the larger cities.

Agree --even a little embarrassment is to be avoided .
Some years ago in a not so small city a girl nominated a meeting place some distance from the city centre on the outskirts of the city.After meeting -- she got in her car and left. I got in my car and headed for my hotel -- which was right across town .I found my self behind her -- as there was basically a main way to get to my destination -- which was about 30 minutes or so.
When I realised it was her -- I eased back some distance so it would not appear that I was following her !!
 She drove right past my turn off -- and there is only about 5 minutes more of city in that direction.

She had chosen a meeting place as far from her world as she could think of !  This is a city of 700,000 people -- so no small "village"

That is an extreme example --but I have seen the same principle a few times .
Title: Re: First meeting- Woman coming to your country or a neutral country.
Post by: Sting23 on November 24, 2017, 02:27:58 AM
I can see the pros and cons of both.  Having lived in Moscow and dating there normally, all the "pros" mentioned really don't apply.  I don't need to meet their family or friends, that can come after.  Also most girls will be working full time and have an active social life.  They aren't going to drop everything just to cater to me.  I'd rather it be a vacation and you have extended time together. 

Sure there can be little chemistry but I wouldn't even consider it unless I felt there was a strong connection built up by online communication.
If they are willing to fly and meet you somewhere at their expense, they will be commiting some effort and emotion into it. 

The downside is if it doesn't work out then you are stuck with her for a week with no options.  Considering the extra expense to get a Russian visa and the added cost of flying to Moscow, it would be cheaper to meet say in Paris even if you are paying for the girl.





Title: Re: First meeting- Woman coming to your country or a neutral country.
Post by: Trenchcoat on November 24, 2017, 09:08:54 AM
And people say I don't listen ;D

CaptB you were right when you said, "Most guys who post a request for advice on this subject (vacation vs visiting her "local" environment).......have already made (justified) up their mind........to go the "vacation" route. Just don't complain when things (a vacation).........does not turn into a......."relationship."

Seriously though I think sometimes some of the basic mistakes guys usually make regardless as until you're in that situation you don't really realize the score and that everything everyone has been saying on here is true. I know like CaptB said earlier a few have come good on the holiday front, but most don't. On EM at least one of the so-called success stories is a guy who invited girl on holiday over to see him. This is coming from a MOB site and a lot of these sites and agencies tend to promote doing this to thew guys as their girls are of course all up for it.

As you all know I've spent some money on the vacation side on this search, fun times but it was the experience gained that proved more of value. I think sometimes the allure of a fun get away for a week is too enticing :P
Title: Re: First meeting- Woman coming to your country or a neutral country.
Post by: Boethius on November 24, 2017, 09:46:34 AM
As you all know I've spent some money on the vacation side on this search, fun times but it was the experience gained that proved more of value. I think sometimes the allure of a fun get away for a week is too enticing :P


But you paid for the girl's vacation too.  That will not be the case for the OP.


There may be a myriad of reasons the woman wishes to meet on neutral territory, and most of them are not nefarious.
Title: First meeting- Woman coming to your country or a neutral country.
Post by: 2tallbill on November 24, 2017, 11:15:39 AM
I can see the pros and cons of both.  Having lived in Moscow and dating there normally, all the "pros" mentioned really don't apply.

If things don't work out with Girl A in Moscow you can easily go on to
girl B, C, D etc. On a vacation type trip to Madrid for example you will
have no back up plan. It either works or it doesn't. If you decide on a
visit one strategy, you should always have a backup plan.

Title: Re: First meeting- Woman coming to your country or a neutral country.
Post by: Trenchcoat on November 24, 2017, 11:17:53 AM

But you paid for the girl's vacation too.  That will not be the case for the OP.


There may be a myriad of reasons the woman wishes to meet on neutral territory, and most of them are not nefarious.

Not 'yet' ;)

Well the girl I was dating worked in retail so there was no way she would have had the money for it, I thought she was the one so I thought be nice, big mistake. There might well be valid reasons that are not nefarious why a woman would want to date on neutral territory, but importantly the affect can all amount to the same, it messes up many a relationship for a long term deal with the girl.

As a result of this I've completely revolutionised the way I go about dating these girls, I now formed a list of girls to work my way through and any that are non co-operative on the meeting in home town, well they get put on the back burner. What I've learnt is not what the opposite sex thinks of how I should go about my dating process as important but what best serves me as important because as self serving as that sounds no girl really cares if I end up wasting my chances/time/money or get I used so long as whatever the situation is suits them. I would far rather ensure that the situation suits me :)
Title: First meeting- Woman coming to your country or a neutral country.
Post by: 2tallbill on November 24, 2017, 11:36:14 AM
The downside is if it doesn't work out then you are stuck with her for a week with no options.  Considering the extra expense to get a Russian visa and the added cost of flying to Moscow, it would be cheaper to meet say in Paris even if you are paying for the girl.

I can't imagine Paris being cheaper than most places in the FSU.
If you are pursuing a Russian girl you need to get a three year
multi entry visa anyway.

If you want the girl to meet you, then have the girl fly to
Canada. You can show her the sites, go skiing and she can
see a little bit about how her life will be.

If you've already made up your mind then go ahead with your
plan and let us know how it works out.

Title: Re: First meeting- Woman coming to your country or a neutral country.
Post by: 2tallbill on November 24, 2017, 11:40:42 AM
They aren't going to drop everything just to cater to me.

Then dump them. With only one exception all the girls I visited dropped
everything so they could cater to me. I dumped that one exception on
day two.

Title: Re: First meeting- Woman coming to your country or a neutral country.
Post by: LAman on November 24, 2017, 01:12:28 PM
I can't imagine Paris being cheaper than most places in the FSU.
If you are pursuing a Russian girl you need to get a three year
multi entry visa anyway.

 

Did Canada start receiving three year multi entry visas for Russia??
Title: Re: First meeting- Woman coming to your country or a neutral country.
Post by: Boethius on November 24, 2017, 02:16:20 PM
Not 'yet' ;)

Well the girl I was dating worked in retail so there was no way she would have had the money for it, I thought she was the one so I thought be nice, big mistake. There might well be valid reasons that are not nefarious why a woman would want to date on neutral territory, but importantly the affect can all amount to the same, it messes up many a relationship for a long term deal with the girl.

As a result of this I've completely revolutionised the way I go about dating these girls, I now formed a list of girls to work my way through and any that are non co-operative on the meeting in home town, well they get put on the back burner. What I've learnt is not what the opposite sex thinks of how I should go about my dating process as important but what best serves me as important because as self serving as that sounds no girl really cares if I end up wasting my chances/time/money or get I used so long as whatever the situation is suits them. I would far rather ensure that the situation suits me :)

So you will go to some "zadrepane selo" because it "suits" your "dating strategy"?  Sorry, but it's a stupid strategy for finding a wife.

The reason the advice to meet in a woman's town rather than a vacation destination is given is largely so you're not paying for a woman who wants a vacation, rather than you. 

So you go to her hometown and meet her friends and family, and they all tell you how wonderful she is.  Would she introduce you to anyone who would tell you she isn't wonderful?

I don't think there is one right answer in matters of the heart.
Title: Re: First meeting- Woman coming to your country or a neutral country.
Post by: Boethius on November 24, 2017, 02:36:27 PM
I can't imagine Paris being cheaper than most places in the FSU.
If you are pursuing a Russian girl you need to get a three year
multi entry visa anyway.


Paris likely is not more expensive than Moscow.  Plus, it didn't seem that Sting's decision was about cost, at all.  It was that he's lived in Moscow and isn't particularly interested in going back if he has other options.
Title: Re: First meeting- Woman coming to your country or a neutral country.
Post by: Trenchcoat on November 24, 2017, 06:29:19 PM
So you will go to "zadrepane selo" because it "suits" your "dating strategy"?  Sorry, but it's a stupid strategy for finding a wife.

The reason the advice to meet in a woman's town rather than a vacation destination is given is largely so you're not paying for a woman who wants a vacation, rather than you. 

So you go to her hometown and meet her friends and family, and they all tell you how wonderful she is.  Would she introduce you to anyone who would tell you she isn't wonderful?

I don't think there is one right answer in matters of the heart.

The reason for meeting her family is to interact with her family and so be a part of her life. The idea being that you are not then just some random guy who shows her a good time but someone they all know. It's about being part of her inner life rather than an outsider who she is likely to treat differently - likely not as well.

From what I have seen on this venture matters of the heart can become skewed by making fundamental mistakes some I admit I have made myself including holidaying with a girl. Fun but nothe great for a LTR.
Title: Re: First meeting- Woman coming to your country or a neutral country.
Post by: Boethius on November 24, 2017, 06:33:53 PM
You're not going to be a part of her life on a first visit, unless you have made significant inroads by skype or such beforehand and she views you as a potential long term partner.  In your case, as I understand it, you don't want to build anything online, so what is the probability of a woman making you a part of her life on a first visit?
Title: Re: First meeting- Woman coming to your country or a neutral country.
Post by: Sting23 on November 24, 2017, 11:11:14 PM
Did Canada start receiving three year multi entry visas for Russia??

No, only the USA.  We can only get 1 year business visas that have a 90 out of 180 day restriction.
Title: Re: First meeting- Woman coming to your country or a neutral country.
Post by: Sting23 on November 24, 2017, 11:16:06 PM

Paris likely is not more expensive than Moscow.  Plus, it didn't seem that Sting's decision was about cost, at all.  It was that he's lived in Moscow and isn't particularly interested in going back if he has other options.

Yes, this is my thinking.  I probably didn't get that point across as much.  I'm just a bit bored of Moscow to be honest, plus I find that women get more excited about meeting in a place she has never been to.

The other thing about meeting a woman's family....many of them are from towns far from Moscow.  So you would have to travel to their hometown in Russia.  The family thing is way down the line anyways, first is establishing a connection with the girl.
Title: Re: First meeting- Woman coming to your country or a neutral country.
Post by: Trenchcoat on November 25, 2017, 01:38:59 AM
You're not going to be a part of her life on a first visit, unless you have made significant inroads by skype or such beforehand and she views you as a potential long term partner.  In your case, as I understand it, you don't want to build anything online, so what is the probability of a woman making you a part of her life on a first visit?

Oh please, the issue making we have on this forum. Of course not unless it's for a long stay which I intend to make, weeks or possibly months. The main point is its not weather you actually meet her family but that you see her in her local environment and her life continues with you a part of it however minor part that may be. She may discuss issues, disputes, points of difference of her family with you or current goings on. The main thing is, is that you are there not as a outsider in the sense that you are when abroad but someone present in her daily life, again however small a part that is. The fact that many of the heavily experienced guys on this forum have come on here and said that it's best to visit her in her home environment and not do holidaying tells me this is the way to go - they can't all be fibbing. My own experience tells me to avoid holidaying as well.
Title: Re: First meeting- Woman coming to your country or a neutral country.
Post by: Boethius on November 25, 2017, 02:52:34 AM
Unless you are living with the woman, you are not experiencing her daily life anymore than you do coworkers you interact with daily.

The reason for not vacationing is not about getting to know a woman. It comes from a time when men were expected to fund the whole vacation. Not necessarily a bad thing, but it can bring insincere women into your sphere, though frankly, there are just as many insincere men as women.
Title: Re: First meeting- Woman coming to your country or a neutral country.
Post by: CaptB on November 25, 2017, 03:55:25 AM
The very nature of international dating is never going to be "natural". Except for the (very) few who could live (and afford to live for an extended time) in the FSU are never going to experience a "normal" relationship...........dating someone overseas. I have to disagree that "not" meeting her in her own environment is a disadvantage. I have dated women who had friends tell me "she is nice"........"she is nice but has.....issues".........."I would not date her at this time" etc. etc. But I never met/dated a women who had such truly nice friends & relatives who said (general consensus) that she is a wonderful person.......who is everyone's "favorite" person"...................until I met my wife. You don't get that kind of "feedback"..............on vacation. Even a short visit (3 weeks) told me that this was a very nice person. She never tried to stere me away from people who knew her very well (as a few other women had). Her life was an open book. As my good friend JB (former poster.....many years ago) stated: "international dating is the graduate level. This is not DATING 101..............but DATING 501. It is never going to be like "local" dating........in your home town.......let alone........country. My wife's friends/coworkers & relatives were right. She is......as they all stated.........everyone's favorite person. They were right.


Capt B




Title: First meeting- Woman coming to your country or a neutral country.
Post by: 2tallbill on November 25, 2017, 10:23:02 AM

Paris likely is not more expensive than Moscow.  Plus, it didn't seem that Sting's decision was about cost, at all.  It was that he's lived in Moscow and isn't particularly interested in going back if he has other options.

That's why I posted "most of the FSU". I sorta think that the OP
has already made his mind up so my post was for the newbies/lurkers
as much as it was for the OP.

If he doesn't particularly like going back there then why look for a girl
there? If things work out then he's going to be going back there a lot.
By selecting a visit one outside the FSU he is significantly reducing his
options if there isn't any chemistry between them, not to mention they
might end up being stuck together.

What if the girl used photos 10 years old and 20lbs lighter and is a
huge liar. I've been on dates with girls who are exactly that. I would
rather chew my arm off than spend a week with them. 

If he took the Moscow girl to Sochi, and things didn't work out then
he could pursue other FSU girls as a backup plan.

but it can bring insincere women into your sphere, though frankly, there are just as many insincere men as women.

That's one reason, but another is don't trap yourself with a woman that
you have never met in person. A getaway trip is great for a second or
third visit. 

It could be fun, exciting and romantic, or it could be a total horror
movie type nightmare or just a pain in the butt. I've visited enough
women where we didn't have chemistry to strongly suggest not 
pursuing that strategy on a first visit.

Title: Re: First meeting- Woman coming to your country or a neutral country.
Post by: ML on November 25, 2017, 11:06:12 AM
That's one reason, but another is don't trap yourself with a woman that
you have never met in person. A getaway trip is great for a second or
third visit. 

It could be fun, exciting and romantic, or it could be a total horror
movie type nightmare or just a pain in the butt.

I never went on a vacation trip with a woman for first meeting.

I have gone on several vacation trips with different women for second meeting, and we had spent a lot of time together on first meeting trip.

Only one of the women changed quite a bit (for the worse) from our first meeting experience.

I remember our sex together on final night and I was telling myself . . . Thank God I won't have to do this again with her.  Men!!!
Title: Re: First meeting- Woman coming to your country or a neutral country.
Post by: Trenchcoat on November 25, 2017, 11:37:09 AM
Lol, that's funny ML. On this one having done a holiday with a girl for a second visit I differ from 2tallbill & ML in that I wouldn't do that again. Particularly if the girl requests or pushes towards a holiday date as she may well be more interested in the holiday than you. If she's truly interested then I think we all know she won't have much issue meeting up with you in or near her home town.

The rest I agree with 2tallbill & ML. The two girls I have dated away from their home town I was lucky we got on well enough in person. I spent 4-5 days with each though I think even that with the wrong person would be a nightmare. I consider myself quite an easy going person but personalities can vary a lot and perceptions of how you think a person is/will be or how things will go don't always ring true. I was fairly confident theses girls would show but there were times I wondered what if. Being able to call up other girls is a big plus I think.
Title: Re: First meeting- Woman coming to your country or a neutral country.
Post by: Anotherkiwi on November 26, 2017, 04:55:07 PM
If you are pursuing a Russian girl you need to get a three year multi entry visa anyway.

Did Canada start receiving three year multi entry visas for Russia??

No, only the USA.  We can only get 1 year business visas that have a 90 out of 180 day restriction.

Note to (as Bill calls them) the "newbies and lurkers:" this visa is available only to people from the USA.  The rest of us unfortunate folks have to make do with the crumbs scattered hither and yon by our local Russian embassies.  Luckily, the embassy in Wellington was extremely helpful with both my trips to Russia, and I had not the slightest problem with my visa (tourist first trip, business second trip) either time.
Title: Re: First meeting- Woman coming to your country or a neutral country.
Post by: BillyB on November 27, 2017, 09:09:00 AM
The downside is if it doesn't work out then you are stuck with her for a week with no options.  Considering the extra expense to get a Russian visa and the added cost of flying to Moscow, it would be cheaper to meet say in Paris even if you are paying for the girl.



Taking care of somebody you don't like and/or who doesn't like you in Paris isn't cheap and isn't fun. If you meet a woman in her city, she could easily go home right away if things go south. Even if you were in Moscow, you could continue to meet and date Slavic women. It's a better bargain to date 10 women in Moscow than 1 woman in Paris. Money shouldn't be the issue. Finding a life partner is and dating in the FSU gives you the best chance to find her since you can utilize a backup plan in case #1 doesn't work out.
Title: Re: First meeting- Woman coming to your country or a neutral country.
Post by: GQBlues on November 27, 2017, 12:45:46 PM

It's never the place you go but the company you're with. Meeting a gal anywhere in the world you never met in person but had online association with is not that big of a deal as long as she's paying for her own way throughout.


If you're expected to pay for her way, then you're a bigger stooge than your mama led you to believe.


It really is this simple.
Title: Re: First meeting- Woman coming to your country or a neutral country.
Post by: Jumper on November 27, 2017, 10:32:58 PM
 I'm trying to figure out why a single guy in Paris, if things dint pan out ,  couldn't date a few Parisians, but ya'll continue.

Yes I understand an obligation,  in an uncomfortable situation,  but two adults should be able to go their seperate ways in such cases.Maybe talk a few *what ifs*  over before the trip?
I know we did.


I did meet my wife in her home city first,  but the plan for both of us would be the same if it was possible to meet in my home city, or any other locale- if it's obvious we have no connection, as after all it us still just a first date regardless commuting  distance ,then move on as single folk do.

I did enjoy meeting her friends ,and seeing her city, but that could have been a second, third, fourth etc trip.

Looking back, nothing would have changed had we met elsewhere,  so the crux of this is only if things go south.
If they went south, I was ok with that in nikoleave,  or Vienna , or...
Because I could have an interesting trip in any of those places anyway.I'd find something to do.

It's how you look at it?
Meeting her was what was truky interesting to me, if it flopped ok, and lining up another date ,asap. Whether russian, , austrian, or dominican, wasn't some real  priority .

Title: Re: First meeting- Woman coming to your country or a neutral country.
Post by: Sting23 on November 28, 2017, 08:40:34 AM
I think the main thing is that I have lived in Moscow already and met & dated several women there.  I have also found I have more success conversing online first as opposed to meeting in real life randomly.  Some women don't want to date a foreigner, have no desire to leave Russia etc... You aren't going to ask them these questions right off the bat to a stranger.  So it can be wasted time finding someone who's got the same goals as you in a relationship.

There's a few online sites and apps like Tinder although I didn't peruse them during my time there.

I'm just more excited in going to a new place other than Russia.  I like the women but I ain't especially keen on living or visiting anymore.

Title: Re: First meeting- Woman coming to your country or a neutral country.
Post by: ML on November 28, 2017, 11:44:03 AM
I'm just more excited in going to a new place other than Russia.  I like the women but I ain't especially keen on living or visiting anymore.

I agree.  There are a lot more interesting and fun places to visit rather than FSU.
Crimea was one of the best; but I would never go there now.
If it weren't for the thousands of available FSU women; there would never be a reason for any man to go there, except for business reasons.
Title: Re: First meeting- Woman coming to your country or a neutral country.
Post by: Anotherkiwi on November 28, 2017, 05:48:14 PM
I agree.  There are a lot more interesting and fun places to visit rather than FSU.

That's as may be, but it doesn't stop the myriad parts of the FSU being interesting destinations in their own right.

Crimea was one of the best; but I would never go there now.

Never did get there, but would love to have had an extra week to fit it in.

If it weren't for the thousands of available FSU women; there would never be a reason for any man to go there, except for business reasons.

This is where your Philistinism shows itself.  :cluebat:  There are dozens of reasons for visiting the FSU, given that it is such a vast region, which have nothing to do with women or business.  Obvious example is next year, when the FIFA World Cup takes place.  Anyone going who has even an ounce of thirst for expanding their cultural knowledge would be in heaven.  The babes are a bonus.  8)
Title: Re: First meeting- Woman coming to your country or a neutral country.
Post by: Sting23 on November 28, 2017, 06:22:14 PM

There are dozens of reasons for visiting the FSU, given that it is such a vast region, which have nothing to do with women or business.  Obvious example is next year, when the FIFA World Cup takes place.  Anyone going who has even an ounce of thirst for expanding their cultural knowledge would be in heaven.  The babes are a bonus.  8)

No doubt Russia is a fascinating place with rich culture and history. I'd certainly recommend someone to visit.  However after living there for a while and dealing with the "Russian" way you quickly realize that there downsides too.

The dreary winters for half the year, stoic expressions, rudeness, lack of common sense... People seldom smile or are polite to strangers.  Coming from a western country that wears on you.

I'm quite sure most if not all of us here would prefer to live in our home country rather than in Russia or a former USSR country.

Title: Re: First meeting- Woman coming to your country or a neutral country.
Post by: Anotherkiwi on November 28, 2017, 06:32:00 PM
No doubt Russia is a fascinating place with rich culture and history. I'd certainly recommend someone to visit.  However after living there for a while and dealing with the "Russian" way you quickly realize that there downsides too.

The dreary winters for half the year, stoic expressions, rudeness, lack of common sense... People seldom smile or are polite to strangers.  Coming from a western country that wears on you.

I'm quite sure most if not all of us here would prefer to live in our home country rather than in Russia or a former USSR country.

I certainly was NOT advocating migration!
Title: Re: First meeting- Woman coming to your country or a neutral country.
Post by: msmob on November 28, 2017, 08:01:20 PM
No doubt Russia is a fascinating place with rich culture and history. I'd certainly recommend someone to visit.  However after living there for a while and dealing with the "Russian" way you quickly realize that there downsides too.

The dreary winters for half the year, stoic expressions, rudeness, lack of common sense... People seldom smile or are polite to strangers.  Coming from a western country that wears on you.

I agree with the dreary winters part - after a couple of days in Moscow - way below zero in Centigrade and a chilly north wind - it confirmed that only Sochi - arrived to 16C and sun - can appeal in a Russian winter.

Lots of FSU red tape can be wearing  - but the stoic expressions are simply a mask - the more I get to know FSU folk - I find myself shocked at their 'Irish-like' interest in strangers and friendliness.

I'm quite sure most if not all of us here would prefer to live in our home country rather than in Russia or a former USSR country.

Home is where the heart is ?  ...   Life is what you make it ...? 

I'm very happy to be back in the USSR !

Title: Re: First meeting- Woman coming to your country or a neutral country.
Post by: LAman on November 28, 2017, 09:19:35 PM


Home is where the heart is ?  ...   Life is what you make it ...? 

I'm very happy to be back in the USSR !

Apparently, you were not in USSR when only way to visit there was with a tour group AND you were not allowed to venture away from where the 'group' was allowed to go/see!!! )))
Title: Re: First meeting- Woman coming to your country or a neutral country.
Post by: Boethius on November 28, 2017, 11:26:47 PM
You could venture away from the group tours in Soviet times.  You could be followed or monitored, but still, you were allowed to wander away from the group. 

By the 1980's (when Brezhnev was still alive) and thereafter (maybe even earlier, I only know people who did this from 1980 on), you could even travel solo to the USSR, although you did have to have your itinerary established before you arrived, stay in an Intourist hotel for foreigners, have a driver pick you up at the airport, and pick you up when you left the country.  If you took a taxi to the airport within the country (e.g., if you were going from one city to another), you could pay with rubles for the internal taxi.  Only the arrival into the country and departure from the country required a driver.  The hotel, visa, and all internal/external fees had to be paid before arriving.  Typically, breakfast was included with this type of travel, and you were on your own the rest of the time.  If you changed anything, you would have to pay all those costs in a foreign currency.  Even in those days, US dollars were preferred, probably because it was the global currency for international trade.

When you were on a flight internally, no matter how you were going (student, solo travel), you were separated from Soviet citizens, both on the plane and in the arrival/departure areas.  If there were Soviets there, they were there for a reason (i.e., they were informants).
Title: Re: First meeting- Woman coming to your country or a neutral country.
Post by: LAman on November 29, 2017, 12:18:20 AM
You could venture away from the group tours in Soviet times.  You could be followed or monitored, but still, you were allowed to wander away from the group. 

By the 1980's (when Brezhnev was still alive) and thereafter (maybe even earlier, I only know people who did this from 1980 on), you could even travel solo to the USSR, although you did have to have your itinerary established before you arrived, stay in an Intourist hotel for foreigners, have a driver pick you up at the airport, and drive you to the airport when you left the country, although if you took a taxi to the airport within the country (e.g., if you were going from one city to another), you could pay with rubles for the internal.  Only the arrival into the country and departure from the country required a driver.  The hotel, visa, and all internal/external fees had to be paid before arriving.  Typically, breakfast was included with this type of travel, and you were on your own the rest of the time.  If you changed anything, you would have to pay all those costs in a foreign currency.  Even in those days, US dollars were preferred, probably because it was the global currency for international trade.

Not to disagree with you Bo but my friend was in SPb with group and he wandered off ( curious about something he saw), police stopped him, asked some questions and were about to take him when person in charge of the group
interceded , apologized , and told my friend to please stay with group or else he cannot be responsible. Just my friends story to me. It was early 1980's.
Title: Re: First meeting- Woman coming to your country or a neutral country.
Post by: Boethius on November 29, 2017, 12:28:10 AM
I was on two tours, first as a child in the 1970's, second as a teen in 1981.  In both cases, the tours were in various Ukrainian cities and then a couple of days in Moscow.  I walked all over with my siblings, alone, in Kyiv, in Odesa, in Ternopil, in Vinnitsya, in Chernihiv, and in L'viv.  I was on a tour with relatives the first time, and one went to his son's apartment in the city (my siblings and I tagged along the first day), and his other son drove him to his ancestral village, where the son lived.  That was absolutely forbidden, but pretty much everyone on the tour did this, skipping meals and planned tours in virtually every city we visited.  I wandered a lot of back streets in L'viv and had good conversations with locals, although now I know the contents thereof were reported.

In 1981, I walked all around Moscow alone, no issues.  I even stopped and asked police for directions, because when I stopped pedestrians, most would say they weren't from Moscow.

My parents chaperoned a school group to Moscow and then Leningrad in the mid 1980's.  Those kids were wandering everywhere on their own, no issues.  Some would even sneak out of the hotel at night.  What they didn't know was that my mother had bribed the durzhurna, so after the durzhurna's report on what time they left, and what time they came back, my mother would confront the kids in the morning about where they were, what they were doing, etc.  They had no idea how she knew, and attributed it to some sort of "superpower".

I will say this, though.  When I was getting my paperwork together to marry, I had to go go Moscow.  It was the first time I was navigating the entire city on my own (i.e. from the train station to the closed street on which the embassy was, and back to the train), and I was afraid I'd get lost because of where the embassy was located.  My husband pooh poohed that, laughing while he told me "Don't worry.  Foreigners don't get lost in the USSR."

In your friend's case, blame the tour guide. 
Title: Re: First meeting- Woman coming to your country or a neutral country.
Post by: BillyB on November 29, 2017, 01:24:39 AM
I'm trying to figure out why a single guy in Paris, if things dint pan out ,  couldn't date a few Parisians, but ya'll continue.



If a guy doesn't want to date Slavic women in the FSU but in France, chances are he wouldn't want to date French women unless he met them in Shanghai.  :P


Anyway, French women doesn't float many men's boats and they are rude to foreigners.
Title: Re: First meeting- Woman coming to your country or a neutral country.
Post by: 2tallbill on November 29, 2017, 05:33:07 AM
I'm trying to figure out why a single guy in Paris, if things dint pan out ,  couldn't date a few Parisians, but ya'll continue.

Parisians are famous for knowing English but only speaking French and
my French is zero, although I agree it's still boy meets girl. If I found
myself stuck in France (back when I was single), I would pursue any
French girls that struck my fancy. It's just not the same target rich
environment that Russia is.

Title: Re: First meeting- Woman coming to your country or a neutral country.
Post by: Trenchcoat on November 29, 2017, 11:07:57 AM
I  spent a whole three weeks driving around France seeing the sites a good couple of years ago now, even though I was by myself it was fun and interesting to see though it ended up costing me about 3K, ouch, more than I expected and that was spending each night in the budget Ibis hotels. I was lucky I happened to hit the Paris leg off my tour on the weekend when hotel prices were cheap than during the week apparently, well they were at the Ibis. Even still I recall it was around 80-90 Euros a night. I stayed in one in Versailles (& saw the Grand Palace of course), one in a suburb of Paris over looking a graveyard - apparently one to do with the Occult, supposed to be a tourist attraction but I didn't see no tourists, lol and one in La Defense district overlooking the Seine and fortunately for me lucky enough to get a room with a view of the Eiffel Tower in the distance, seeing the lights on that at night from my hotel room was really something :)

A couple of weeks or so later the terrorists attacked but fortunately I was out of France by then as otherwise it would have probably messed up seeing a lot of stuff.

Main thing I  found the French girl much warmer than most British girls and far more friendlier. Language was a barrier as my French is not good and has gone back to using mostly a few key phrases with an accent that I discerned was none too good, lol. If I was not on the move and went to stay around the same place for a while a French girl is definitely a good one to try for. They are more feminine than English girls too, while walking around a shopping centre in PAris I saw a couple of mid-late teen girls excitedly checking out Bra's in a clothing shop window - never have I seen that in all my years in British shopping centres with the all too uptight and feminist culture you get here. 2tallbill is right though they are not as numerous as out in Russia though according to the gender ratio map more numerous than the UK. I got the impression fair few less were locked down in relationships than the UK. I would not say nearly as target rich as Russia though. Also best bet for getting a woman (or anyone) that speak English is in Paris, then probably South of France, then Normandy coastline. A fair amount speak English but if you go out into the sticks away from the larger towns and/or mid France less speak English, Even in the Dordogne there was not a lot that seemed to speak English other than of course the English.
Title: Re: First meeting- Woman coming to your country or a neutral country.
Post by: msmob on November 29, 2017, 06:59:38 PM

Anyway, French women doesn't float many men's boats and they are rude to foreigners.

 :ROFL:

As a guy who could speak the lingo much better than now and has lived there - that is utter twaddle, Billy ..   I'm surprised at you - being 'mister super dater'... I'd have thought your charm would work, anywhere
Title: Re: First meeting- Woman coming to your country or a neutral country.
Post by: Anotherkiwi on November 29, 2017, 07:44:46 PM
:ROFL:

As a guy who could speak the lingo much better than now and has lived there - that is utter twaddle, Billy ..   I'm surprised at you - being 'mister super dater'... I'd have thought your charm would work, anywhere

But, Moby, France is in EUROPE - and you know how dangerous Billy thinks Europe is!
Title: Re: First meeting- Woman coming to your country or a neutral country.
Post by: Anotherkiwi on November 29, 2017, 07:48:50 PM
...By the 1980's (when Brezhnev was still alive) and thereafter (maybe even earlier, I only know people who did this from 1980 on), you could even travel solo to the USSR...

A former work colleague of mine did the Trans-Siberian solo in around 1970, at age 21.  I was really impressed that SHE managed such an expedition, especially since, even now, there's not very much of her.
Title: Re: First meeting- Woman coming to your country or a neutral country.
Post by: Jumper on November 29, 2017, 09:04:45 PM
Parisians are famous for knowing English but only speaking French and
my French is zero, although I agree it's still boy meets girl. If I found
myself stuck in France (back when I was single), I would pursue any
French girls that struck my fancy. It's just not the same target rich
environment that Russia is.

I've been to a few races there over the years, probably half a dozen times to Bercy ,   more of that was when based out of Prague, but also some trips from the states, the French girls were always just awesome. Well the German and Austrain girls were too..
Perhaps  I'm just not too concerned about  nationality. The smile is more important.
I'm in Quebec at the moment, plenty of pretty  women here , if I was still single.

I just don't think it really matters where I guy meets a FSU woman first, but the caveat to that is that is under that circumstance, hopefully he has spent the time and energy to have really communicated well with her prior,and clicked, as well as having gone over the scenario of what both so do  if they just don't hit it off in person .


Title: Re: First meeting- Woman coming to your country or a neutral country.
Post by: JayH on November 29, 2017, 10:05:21 PM
I've been to a few races there over the years, probably half a dozen times to Bercy ,   more of that was when based out of Prague, but also some trips from the states, the French girls were always just awesome. Well the German and Austrain girls were too..
Perhaps  I'm just not too concerned about  nationality. The smile is more important.
I'm in Quebec at the moment, plenty of pretty  women here , if I was still single.

I just don't think it really matters where I guy meets a FSU woman first, but the caveat to that is that is under that circumstance, hopefully he has spent the time and energy to have really communicated well with her prior,and clicked, as well as having gone over the scenario of what both so do  if they just don't hit it off in person .

Good post AJ   ~ :clapping: ( again )

Back in another life we were based in the south of France --  and needless to say --I had a French girlfriend for some years!! ;D
And yes-- she was awesome !   She spoke about 10 languages fluently and later  worked at Strasbourg interpreting and translating.

She picked up and mimicked the Australian accent after a few hours -- it still makes me laugh to this day!  She was from Paris and her family had a place not far from Nice where they holidayed.
I don't agree with the negative comments on the French or Parisians. My original French was learnt at school-- and forgotten until I HAD to try and use it -- and in doing so -- people immediately became helpful . However--I did learn that I needed to make it clear as quickly as possible that I was not English !! Or American !!
Title: Re: First meeting- Woman coming to your country or a neutral country.
Post by: BillyB on November 30, 2017, 07:34:26 PM
:ROFL:

As a guy who could speak the lingo much better than now and has lived there - that is utter twaddle, Billy ..   I'm surprised at you - being 'mister super dater'... I'd have thought your charm would work, anywhere


 Hard to date French women when I was 5 yo. Haven't been back since. Everybody I know who visited France say the people are rude and Italy was much better.

You may have enjoyed how the French acted towards you compared to your experience in the UK. From what Americans experience at home on a regular basis, they consider the French to be rude.
Title: Re: First meeting- Woman coming to your country or a neutral country.
Post by: ML on November 30, 2017, 07:39:43 PM

 Hard to date French women when I was 5 yo.

Probably they questioned your manliness at that age.
Title: Re: First meeting- Woman coming to your country or a neutral country.
Post by: Boethius on November 30, 2017, 08:09:37 PM
I’ve been to France three times. The people are not rude. Their culture is very formal and usually polite. My children all noticed the politeness. If you follow their cultural norms you will not find them rude.
Title: Re: First meeting- Woman coming to your country or a neutral country.
Post by: BillyB on November 30, 2017, 08:24:35 PM
I’ve been to France three times. The people are not rude. Their culture is very formal and usually polite. My children all noticed the politeness. If you follow their cultural norms you will not find them rude.


Like where Moby lives, France may be a place where it is an improvement from where you live. You don't have to take my word for it. There's plenty of horror stories written by sensible people on the net about their experiences in France. Here's a sample.

http://www.nydailynews.com/life-style/french-rude-paris-opted-american-food-article-1.2928043

http://www.tripadvisor.com/ShowTopic-g187147-i14-k221761-o10-Why_are_the_French_So_Rude_to_tourists-Paris_Ile_de_France.html

http://www.bladi.info/threads/why-do-many-french-people.266647/
Title: Re: First meeting- Woman coming to your country or a neutral country.
Post by: BillyB on November 30, 2017, 08:51:06 PM


I Googled "why are americans so rude" and out of the 10 sites on page 1, four talked about French being rude. I wasn't even trying to Google anything about France. It's pretty bad when your country routinely shows up on page one in a search engine about rudeness in other countries. Most polls/studies have France being the rudest place on Earth. Some polls/studies were kind to France and listed them #2.

Saying the French are polite is like saying Ukraine and Russia are corruption free.
Title: Re: First meeting- Woman coming to your country or a neutral country.
Post by: msmob on November 30, 2017, 11:05:19 PM
Whatever would we do without BillyB's 'How the world is, based on Google'....?

As someone who has clearly experienced France far more times than you....

They have their own language and tend to use it rather than English....

They often  speak highly of Americans, too....

Watched a great French romantic comedy on RU TV last night.... Even in the times of the Tsar and Soviet era, the French were popular, here... ;)

Title: Re: First meeting- Woman coming to your country or a neutral country.
Post by: BillyB on November 30, 2017, 11:35:40 PM
As someone who has clearly experienced France far more times than you....



Some people lived in Russia and though Stalin was a great guy. Other's thought he was the biggest mass murderer in history. Some people's brains don't function well. You must think Stalin was a great guy and France is #1 on the polite list.
Title: Re: First meeting- Woman coming to your country or a neutral country.
Post by: LAman on November 30, 2017, 11:55:26 PM

Watched a great French romantic comedy on RU TV last night.... Even in the times of the Tsar and Soviet era, the French were popular, here... ;)

Even in 1812 ???? )))
Title: Re: First meeting- Woman coming to your country or a neutral country.
Post by: msmob on December 01, 2017, 01:01:24 AM

Some people lived in Russia and though Stalin was a great guy. Other's thought he was the biggest mass murderer in history. Some people's brains don't function well. You must think Stalin was a great guy and France is #1 on the polite list.

Best not to 'think', too hard, BillyB ...

1/ I think Stalin was a lunatic - as do most Russians

2/ French people - are indeed largely polite - even the French might comment that Parisians are 'rude' .... in the same way Southeners in the US might claim they are friendlier ...

If you try to speak their lingo - must folks find that the locals are polite...    continue in your blissful ignorance



Title: Re: First meeting- Woman coming to your country or a neutral country.
Post by: BillyB on December 01, 2017, 01:47:17 AM
If you try to speak their lingo - must folks find that the locals are polite... 



I believe you. Based on how people treated you elsewhere, the French are very polite. What you seem to not understand and accept is most people rate the French the rudest people in the world based off their experiences. You aren't the only one with an experience that counts.
Title: Re: First meeting- Woman coming to your country or a neutral country.
Post by: msmob on December 01, 2017, 01:51:50 AM

I believe you. Based on how people treated you elsewhere, the French are very polite. What you seem to not understand and accept is most people rate the French the rudest people in the world based off their experiences. You aren't the only one with an experience that counts.

'most people' ?  :D
Title: Re: First meeting- Woman coming to your country or a neutral country.
Post by: Sting23 on December 01, 2017, 05:57:34 AM
The French in general do tend to be rude, strange people. I got some pretty bad service in Paris.  Then again I got similar reception in Russia.

One encounter in the south of France I recall, I was next to a major hotel and there was a large group of people on the outdoor terrace.
One hotel employee was standing by and I asked him what is going on.  He replies "what!? you don't even say hello first..blah blah.."..

They seem to be quite sensitive.  Then again I found the British to be rather arrogant as well.  With the women I get along best with Russians  :)
Title: Re: First meeting- Woman coming to your country or a neutral country.
Post by: Boethius on December 01, 2017, 07:16:06 AM
One hotel employee was standing by and I asked him what is going on.  He replies "what!? you don't even say hello first..blah blah..". .

This goes back to my comment on formality.  I read a lot about French customs and culture before visiting. Starting any conversation with a greeting (Bonjour Monsieur/Madam), and saying goodbye are important in their culture, no matter where you are. Your lack of a greeting likely was viewed as rude, and the employee was telling you that, probably for future reference. Please and thank you are also important.

We followed this “rule” of greeting everyone and had no unpleasant encounters in Paris on our last visit.  I also started every conversation in French, and typically people would switch to English, although I did run into people who couldn’t speak English.  We met many charming people, and no one was rude.
Title: Re: First meeting- Woman coming to your country or a neutral country.
Post by: SANDRO43 on December 01, 2017, 07:48:41 AM
Even in 1812 ???? )))
Yes, and thereafter. IINM French influence started at the time of Catherine the Great - she corresponded regularly with Voltaire.

My grandmother told me that French was often spoken at Court rather than Russian - particularly in conversations about art, phylosophy, etc. - and she studied in Geneva for her "baccalauréat" (post high-school diploma) intending to teach French in her circle of noble friends and acquaintances, which means there must have been a "market" for her acquired skills.
Title: Re: First meeting- Woman coming to your country or a neutral country.
Post by: 2tallbill on December 01, 2017, 08:13:51 AM
Note to (as Bill calls them) the "newbies and lurkers:" this visa is available only to people from the USA.  The rest of us unfortunate folks have to make do with the crumbs scattered hither and yon by our local Russian embassies.  Luckily, the embassy in Wellington was extremely helpful with both my trips to Russia, and I had not the slightest problem with my visa (tourist first trip, business second trip) either time.

My knowledge of Visa rules and options is limited to what Americans
can do or not do. I don't know what restrictions or options that they
have for other countries.

I can only imagine the hoops they make guys jump through that
live upside down on the bottom of the globe  ;D


Title: Re: First meeting- Woman coming to your country or a neutral country.
Post by: ML on December 01, 2017, 10:24:54 AM
Most polls/studies have France being the rudest place on Earth. Some polls/studies were kind to France and listed them #2.


Billy, please show the URLs to these specific polls.

Polls should be more valid than individual commentators, so I would like to see them.
Title: Re: First meeting- Woman coming to your country or a neutral country.
Post by: msmob on December 01, 2017, 01:38:29 PM
  Then again I found the British to be rather arrogant as well. 

I was just about to suggest you were missing the common denominator might be you ?  ;)

Many British ARE arrogant ...   :welcome:
Title: First meeting - Woman coming to your country or a neutral country?
Post by: Olga_Mouse on April 14, 2019, 03:36:48 PM
But I've heard some posters say don't meet the woman on a vacation trip for the first meeting. 
I am not sure if I agree.  I think the added fun of a new place brings excitement.


Neutral country, new place and shared expenses would put both of you in equal position. Which is already a plus, IMO.


Sure, ideally every animal shall be watched in its natural habitat - but if you'd rent an apartment with two bedrooms (instead of just booking a hotel), you'd get as close to living together as possible, I presume?


'Cause then the holiday - apart from grilling asses on the beach - would include cooking, cleaning, planning grocery chopping, carrying bags, throwing socks around, putting the toilet seat up \ down, talking to the other while he \ she is in the bathroom, pushing the toothpaste from wrong \ right end of the tube, fighting for remote control, snoring, farting under the blanket and all other pieces of everyday life mosaics. This should give both an idea if they could live under one roof for a longer time, right?  ;)
Title: Re: First meeting- Woman coming to your country or a neutral country.
Post by: msmob on April 15, 2019, 04:19:27 AM
Olga - or can I say 'Olya'  - seeing as we 'know' each other SO well ...  ?... ( Please advise )


'Sting123' is no longer allowed to 'play' here .. I have a feeling you two have already (briefly) entered into correspondence in an alternate universe ...

He is a little confused as to his life ... sometimes he appears as a guy married to a RU lady and sometimes his has lots of gerl fwends' on VK who are jaw-dropping ...

But, he is always an 'expert' on Russia and the Russian language..and a geographic cretin about places he expresses opinions on - but has clearly never been too   ( too  late ...Miss Mouse has quoted me   :-[  )


I like him

Title: First meeting - Woman coming to your country or a neutral country.
Post by: Olga_Mouse on April 15, 2019, 04:57:32 AM

Olga - or can I say 'Olya'  - seeing as we 'know' each other SO well ...  ?... ( Please advise )

Whatever sounds better for your ears, I do not really care :rolleyes:

'Sting123' is no longer allowed to 'play' here... I have a feeling you two have already (briefly) entered into correspondence in an alternate universe...


Yeah, and I even asked the demiurge of that alternate universe who the hell is that, and why he's blocked from sending PMs. ;D


He is a little confused as to his life... sometimes he appears as a guy married to a RU lady and sometimes his has lots of gerl fwends' on VK who are jaw-dropping...

But, he is always an 'expert' on Russia and the Russian language... and a geographic cretin about places he expresses opinions on - but has clearly never been too

I like him
Sure, his entertaining quality shouldn't be underrated.

Regardless of OP's personality, I have made an informed decision to express my opinion re. "your country \ neutral country"  :popcorn:
Title: Re: First meeting- Woman coming to your country or a neutral country.
Post by: msmob on April 15, 2019, 05:03:35 AM
Hardly the creator - more like he 'inherited' said universe - for a price ...  :popcorn:
Title: Parallel universe
Post by: Olga_Mouse on April 15, 2019, 11:57:22 AM
Hardly the creator - more like he 'inherited' said universe - for a price ...  :popcorn:
Might very well be the case - I don't really remember all the details of the parallel universe creation and colonization by living organisms...
Title: First meeting- Woman coming to your country or a neutral country.
Post by: 2tallbill on April 15, 2019, 02:16:25 PM
Italy was much better.

I can say without hesitation that Italy has plenty of very attractive, very stylish
women and GREAT food (except breakfast). I've only visited three times for
business, if only the girls were taller.......... 

I've taken you and Jay off ignore
Title: Re: Parallel universe
Post by: msmob on April 15, 2019, 02:36:39 PM
Might very well be the case - I don't really remember all the details

Always glad to help you, with any inaccuracies, Olya ! ;)
Title: Re: First meeting- Woman coming to your country or a neutral country.
Post by: krimster2 on April 15, 2019, 03:16:23 PM
o-lah

when you’re playing your piccolo
do you consider the impact of your performance on the audience?

because the performance you presented here will turn off the very man you’re searching for
maybe you’re not aware
but it’s a big reason why you’re single....

as I’ve told the bearded one
don’t conflate external problems with internal ones

the REAL problem I see you having trying to find Mr Horrosho
is your own rigid thinking

rigid thinking is irrational
and to succeed on the journey you want to take
you want to be “agreeable to reason”
otherwise you will be “disagreeable”
and this is your main problem
men don’t marry or even date (for very long) disagreeable women

zaboot home or 3rd country, not important to success, just a detail
if you are perceived as a disagreeable woman
you will die alone in Moscow as I told you
maybe you should think about it
and get a cat instead (sorry forgot you’re a mouse, a krolich!!)

in addition, the odds as you well know are HEAVILY stacked against you because of your age and demographics
for example, in California, just 1% of the marriage licenses are to women over age 40
unfortunately for you, a woman’s peak beauty and attractiveness has a short lived shelf life and you chose to ignore the expiration date
I must know 100 women like this, even dated some (once or twice)
they're ALL single just like you...





Title: Re: First meeting- Woman coming to your country or a neutral country.
Post by: Boethius on April 15, 2019, 05:34:27 PM
There is a RW who posts here very, very rarely, who proves your assertion inaccurate, krimster.  She was far more abrasive than Olga, met her foreign husband on a forum geared toward WM, and was in her mid forties when they married.


There is also yet another former poster here, Rina, who met her husband through this forum, and she was also in her mid forties.


This post was composed without the aid of google.



Title: Re: First meeting- Woman coming to your country or a neutral country.
Post by: krimster2 on April 15, 2019, 05:42:51 PM
anecdotes....vrs...statistics......

so if some lucky person won a 100 million dollar lottery then poor people should all go and play the lottery because of this example of success????
glad I chose math and engineering over law!!!!

couldn't really quantify which negative attribute carries more weight, age, abrasiveness or the impact of her rigid behavior and thinking
first two problems COULD be managed with some effort on her part - but if she ever expects to have a log term relationship then she HAS to change her rigid behavior and thinking




Title: Re: First meeting- Woman coming to your country or a neutral country.
Post by: Boethius on April 15, 2019, 05:58:27 PM
It doesn't matter.  You are telling someone to change what you assume is her personality, because: (a) you assume she has a personality that won't attract a man; and (b) if she doesn't change, she is doomed to die alone. 

Statistically, I am not certain you are correct, because lots of women enter into second, or third marriages in their forties.  We have two women on this forum who married late in life - yes, they may be anecdotal, but real women are behind those anecdotal examples.

You can't know Olga's future, and I believe changing who you are to attract someone who otherwise would be incompatible is bad advice, in any event.

This post was composed without the aid of google.
Title: Re: First meeting- Woman coming to your country or a neutral country.
Post by: Gator on April 15, 2019, 06:06:11 PM
Krimster,

I agree with Boethius's comments about 40-yo RW.  My wife at age 44 had a marriage offer from a prominent Russian man younger than me, and quite possibly with more jingle in his pocket.   

He made the mistake of proposing to her at a large social gathering in their city, thinking this would persuade her.  She refused.  In a few days, she sent me a message that she wanted to talk again.   Something about a serious marriage proposal that will focus one's thoughts.  And she preferred Russia over America.
Title: Re: First meeting- Woman coming to your country or a neutral country.
Post by: Gator on April 15, 2019, 06:19:02 PM
Also, I do not find Olga's attitude as disagreeable.  If you want an example of disagreeable, come by our home when the Cossack Woman feels wronged.   :exploding:

Olga IMO is merely  forthright and possesses the intellect, spirit, energy and cynicism to pose a good challenge.  I find it  refreshing.   Yes, she seems to subscribe to some positions that IMO are questionable, yet are not deal killers if she meets a man with whom she is willing to find some middle ground.   However, I don't know her and neither do you.  Its presumptuous  to judge her based on a few posts

IMO, the opposite of Olga is boring and compliant.    Maybe many men prefer such, but not me, nor you I presume.   

YMMV
Title: Re: First meeting- Woman coming to your country or a neutral country.
Post by: krimster2 on April 15, 2019, 06:27:18 PM
"Statistically, I am not certain you are correct...."

ahhh well see, that is the advantage of using google

from some random link

"By the time a woman is 30, there is about one chance in two she will ever get married and at 40, only one chance in five. By the time she is 50, the chances she will marry are just one in 16, and after 60, her chances drop to one in 62."

can't get much clearer than that and this relates to local marriages not seeking a foreign partner which likely will have even less chance
I saw a long time ago a statistic from California that was even worse than the above...



Title: Re: First meeting- Woman coming to your country or a neutral country.
Post by: Gator on April 15, 2019, 06:40:49 PM

"By the time a woman is 30, there is about one chance in two she will ever get married and at 40, only one chance in five. By the time she is 50, the chances she will marry are just one in 16, and after 60, her chances drop to one in 62."


Your stats could easily be true because marriage rates are declining.   The reasons are many, among which is the fact that more and more women are independent,  and also more comfortable with their own space. Maybe many simply feel no need to marry. 
 
Title: Re: First meeting- Woman coming to your country or a neutral country.
Post by: Davo on April 15, 2019, 07:00:25 PM
“The odds as you well know are HEAVILY stacked against you because of your age and demographics”

I dated a very attractive 28 year old (Half American / Aussie) when I was first divorced. I was 39. We got on great, but once her divorce was finalised she moved Interstate to be closer to her family in Newcastle, which she let me know from the beginning.

The woman I visited recently is 43 (same age as me) and I have to admit she’s a far better fit..... there’s not one thing that the younger women exceeds her in.

I watched my grandmother live a lonely life when my grandfather passed away over 27 years ago. He was 12 years older than her. I wouldn’t want to put anyone I love in that position.
Title: Re: First meeting- Woman coming to your country or a neutral country.
Post by: krimster2 on April 15, 2019, 07:01:13 PM
"If you want an example of disagreeable, come by our home when the Cossack Woman feels wronged"

I feel your pain....

granted I don’t KNOW Olya
but I have read some of her ideas
her ideas show me a person who is very rigid and inflexible
her inflexibility places a burden on the other person as opposed to a person who is more tolerant and flexible
men pick up on this RIGHT AWAY!!!!
probably biggest reason women "get dumped" after a couple of dates

ALL the women I personally know with this characteristic behavior either never married, or if they did got divorced.... 100%!!!!!

I dated MANY women like this in the USA
I always found that the rigid behavior goes together with a “controlling” personality
I’d rather be like Jay and "pet my dingo" (though not as much as HE DOES!) and pretend I had a real girlfriend than be in a relationship with someone like that
BTW, my wife can go full cossack as well
when she does our kids call her “Mother Russia”  a quick storm and it passes

there are lots of datasets to show percentage of women married at a specific age
none of them look good for Olya
don't know if there's data that takes this and correlates based on "reason"
I doubt it, because frankly I think feminists would object to the "Too Ugly" category...

"I believe changing who you are to attract someone who otherwise would be incompatible is bad advice, in any event."

it's what I did
didn't change WHO I WAS
changed my IDEAS, when I realized the ones I had weren't working very well
and was willing to try radically new ideas
which were INCREDIBLY successful
after I hit the reset button, I didn't have ANY specific CONCEPT regarding who I wanted to marry or what conditions or where or what their attitude towards feminist ideology would be
kept everything maximum flexible
this made it easier for me to adapt to a greater pool of potential candidates

sitting there in my office in Silicon Valley
never in my wildest imagination (and mine is REALLY WILD)
could I have imagined I would have married a simple village girl from Ukraine
and if you could've seen the "coed eye candy" I passed over for my wife
most guys (including myself) would've thought I was crazy
but I was never MORE sure of someone than I was of my wife, still am almost 20 years later

my wife and I are the opposites on just about EVERYTHING
because of that we complement each other
she is my ying and I am her yang
we are stronger together than we are separately
we both find a way to fit in with the wishes and needs of each other
as opposed to trying to get our own way or control the other person’s behavior
after a certain number of years of marriage you do this automatically...
I don't see this kind of attitude from Olya
I see this as a HUGE obstacle for her, even if the rest of you don't

Postscript

a tangent to the “flexibility issue”

in silicon valley, I exclusively dated engineers, lawyers, high level professionals
because this was the “class” I was from...
I found it hard to have a Ying/Yang relationship with them
because we were both “Ying”
because of my preconceived bias against “uneducated” people
I never really considered dating within this “class”
it was, I later realized a HUGE mistake

there is a physical reason why 2 magnets of the same “polarity” repel
and the opposite polarity attract
nature always supplies us with abundant metaphors to aid our understanding


Title: Re: First meeting- Woman coming to your country or a neutral country.
Post by: Patagonie on April 16, 2019, 03:32:00 AM
"If you want an example of disagreeable, come by our home when the Cossack Woman feels wronged"

I feel your pain....

granted I don’t KNOW Olya
but I have read some of her ideas
her ideas show me a person who is very rigid and inflexible
her inflexibility places a burden on the other person as opposed to a person who is more tolerant and flexible
men pick up on this RIGHT AWAY!!!!
probably biggest reason women get dumped after a couple of dates

ALL the women I personally know with this characteristic behavior either never married, or if they did got divorced.... 100%!!!!!

I dated MANY women like this in the USA
I always found that the rigid behavior goes together with a “controlling” personality
I’d rather be like Jay and pet my dingo and pretend I had a real girlfriend than be in a relationship with someone like that
BTW, my wife can go full cossack as well
when she does our kids call her “Mother Russia”  a quick storm and it passes

there are lots of datasets to show percentage of women married at a specific age
none of them look good for Olya
don't know if there's data that takes this and correlates based on "reason"
I doubt it, because frankly I think feminists would object to the "Too Ugly" category...

"I believe changing who you are to attract someone who otherwise would be incompatible is bad advice, in any event."

it's what I did
didn't change WHO I WAS
changed my IDEAS, when I realized the ones I had weren't working very well
and was willing to try radically new ideas
which were INCREDIBLY successful
I didn't have ANY specific CONCEPT regarding who I wanted to marry or what conditions or where or what their attitude towards feminist idealogy would be
kept everything maximum flexible
this made it easier for me to adapt to a greater pool of potential candidates

sitting there in my office in Silicon Valley
never in my wildest imagination (and mine is REALLY WILD)
could I have imagined I would have married a simple village girl from Ukraine
and if you could've seen the "eye candy" I passed over for my wife
most guys would've thought I was crazy
but I was never MORE sure of someone than I was of my wife, still am almost 20 years laterNow about what Krim said, of opposite characters or look like not properly fitted.

my wife and I are the opposites on just about EVERYTHING
because of that we complement each other
she is my ying and I am her yang
we are stronger together than we are separately
we both find a way to fit in with the wishes or needs of each other
as opposed to trying to get our own way or control the other person’s behavior
after a certain number of years of marriage you do this automatically...
I don't see this kind of attitude from Olya
I see this as a HUGE obstacle for her, even if the rest of you don't
+1
Flexibility in life is a strong asset to success and survive. Too much rigid behavior, this is something that i am getting faster and faster now in my dating and i move up quickly. Don't even want to go to a bed, that's not worthy.So statistics are against. And weight is against her.

I have a close female friend of 54, she tells me all about her life. I would never date her. NEVER, even five minutes. Possessive, totally rigid in her thinking, always surfing on the same mental drama, guess what i know her only one relationship in 15 monts, and the guy bailed out after one month. Guess what she meets a shrink. Good luck to this one.
The thing is that nobody knows exactly how and why the emotional bonding is working between two people.
Already, as a single particular unit of the world, it's difficult to figure out what you need to be sentimentally feeded considering the specificity and the oddity of your personnality and history.
Everybody could say i need some caring, tenderness and sex every day, but that's not specific and it explains nothing.
As women get older the championship is getting better for men, that's purely statistics if you are not financially, mentally and physically broken.

I met a terp of 44 in Ukraine 20 months ago. I think that she had be married twice. We hold hands nothing more, she liked me. I spent a lot of time with her. She repeatedly asked for a marriage, she was very serious about this, and that was a joke for me considering that i was struggling to divorce asap and after waiting documents. Of course i have the same wish to remarry as to hung myself in the basement.I know that she wanted to move out of Ukraine with her daughter. You would not say she is ugly or fat, at least she is a 8 in her class age, if you are picky you would say she is a 7+.  Guess what she has displayed a profile on fdating two months ago... Each day the clock is ticking and moving in the opposite direction of her.

There is an other parameter that women don't get with age, the men they met are naturally more aged than they were used to. They start to set up their own scale in the dating process at 15 and probably mature it when they are 30/35. But the men of 45/50 and more are not the same. Their gravity center have shifted from the throuser in direction of the head. Women believe that they will have the same behavior but no and they work with the same scale system, but they are missing the shot.
Example : i have a mistress, she is married, don't work or work occasionnaly, her daughter is kept by her parents (in Ukraine yes). She is semi depressive. She likes me. And guess what she would like me to be faithful, having feelings.Explain me why i should have feelings ??? She is not free and IMHO not a catch for a long term relationship (need to supported and i am not United Parcel Service). So her status is fuckfriend. It could change the day she is separated (at least) and having a job. And more important : having a life.
I remember also a story long time ago, a very very beautiful woman of 50. We were friends and she told me all about her life. She didn't work (don't even knew how she was making a living ???). She was with a successful men. SHE told me that she encouraged him to put on her name part of his assets. He didn't. She discovered later after two years that he had an other woman. She believed that she was leading the dance, she was wrong. And later her life became a train wreck for some time with an other man.

Title: Re: First meeting- Woman coming to your country or a neutral country.
Post by: krimster2 on April 16, 2019, 04:30:12 AM
OUI!!!
and you were very smart to run!!!!!

Title: Re: First meeting- Woman coming to your country or a neutral country.
Post by: Gator on April 16, 2019, 05:29:01 AM

She repeatedly asked for a marriage, she was very serious about this, and that was a joke for me considering that i was struggling to divorce asap and after waiting documents. 

You were wise to be cautious of a woman who proposes marriage.  I made the mistake of accepting.  The marriage ended in one year.  Fantastic travel companion, however, with two good kids.     
 

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But the men of 45/50 and more are not the same. Their gravity center have shifted from the throuser in direction of the head.

 :D :D :D

And at 70+, the center of gravity shifts again, down to the equator, and the ass starts to melt away. 

Oh.....you were not talking about body mass.   



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I remember also a story long time ago, a very very beautiful woman of 50. We were friends and she told me all about her life. She didn't work (don't even knew how she was making a living ???). She was with a successful men. SHE told me that she encouraged him to put on her name part of his assets. He didn't. She discovered later after two years that he had an other woman. She believed that she was leading the dance, she was wrong. And later her life became a train wreck for some time with an other man.

Some attractive women have a history of getting passed from man to man. 
Title: Re: First meeting- Woman coming to your country or a neutral country.
Post by: ML on April 16, 2019, 11:12:52 AM

I remember also a story long time ago, a very very beautiful woman of 50. We were friends and she told me all about her life. She didn't work (don't even knew how she was making a living ???). She was with a successful men. SHE told me that she encouraged him to put on her name part of his assets. He didn't. She discovered later after two years that he had an other woman. She believed that she was leading the dance, she was wrong. And later her life became a train wreck for some time with an other man.

Similar thing happened with a friend of mine who lives in LA area.

He got hooked up with a woman who was a  9+ bit-part actress still trying to make it in her late 30s or so.
She was a real estate saleslady to support herself and teenage daughter.

After 6 months or so together, she told him of a potential really good buy on a small apartment complex.  She proposed to him that they jointly put in some money and sign loan documents . . . but that the title be in her name only !!!

He told me about this . . . and we both had a really big laugh.

He decided to just string her along for the sex and to escort a trophy gal around town.

But a few weeks later they broke up when he cancelled a date to spend time with her daughter . . . when he found out an important sporting event (don't remember what) was going to be on TV.
Title: Re: First meeting- Woman coming to your country or a neutral country.
Post by: 2tallbill on April 16, 2019, 03:04:49 PM
"By the time a woman is 30, there is about one chance in two she will ever get married and at 40, only one chance in five. By the time she is 50, the chances she will marry are just one in 16, and after 60, her chances drop to one in 62."

can't get much clearer than that and this relates to local marriages not seeking a foreign partner which likely will have even less chance
I saw a long time ago a statistic from California that was even worse than the above...

I need to run to my wife Angel Eyes and remind her
how statistically lucky she is to have me  :D


Title: First meeting- Woman coming to your country or a neutral country.
Post by: 2tallbill on April 16, 2019, 04:05:05 PM
 :offtopic:


granted I don’t KNOW Olya
but I have read some of her ideas
her ideas show me a person who is very rigid and inflexible

from some random link

"By the time a woman is 30, there is about one chance in two she will
ever get married and at 40, only one chance in five. By the time she is
50, the chances she will marry are just one in 16, and after 60, her
chances drop to one in 62."

Krim,

I don't know Miss Mouse substantially more than you do. I've only
read more of her posts than you have (here and elsewhere). I do
NOT know her personally. I've seen a photo of her a while back
and she falls into the pretty/petite category.

Assuming that she's not a psychopath, serial killer, or something like that,
this is a numbers game. There are guys out there somewhere in this big
blue and beautiful world who would be a good match for her.

She doesn't have to catch every man, just the right man.

It appears that she is taking her search for a man proactively and
making contacts on her own. If she continues doing that it's only a
matter of time until she meets a good candidate, then it's lather,
rinse and repeat until she finds the man for her.