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RWD Discussion Groups => Married => Topic started by: deccie on May 19, 2018, 03:33:40 AM

Title: My wife is amazing...
Post by: deccie on May 19, 2018, 03:33:40 AM
A couple of days back my wife met with one of her wealthy clients. A very wealthy client. Probably the richest guy in this city at least. As she got into his car  for him to drop her back at the office he put his hand at a very inappropriate place... My wife crushed his balls so hard he could not drive away for the next 20-30 minutes... :couple:
Next day he sent 350 roses to her office. She sent them back. Florist must have been screaming if he had to give a refund..  We are half expecting he might try and buy her an a apartment next.
I just think my  wife is amazing for  telling me about itas well as her actions to deal with it.
On the same  day she sent the flowers back a guy entered the office and pulled a knife on everybody.  Wife slammed him to the ground disarmed him and called police...


 :luv: :luv: :luv: :luv: :luv: :luv: :luv: :luv: :luv: :luv:
And she is mine... all mine!!!!


Title: Re: My wife is amazing...
Post by: krimster2 on May 19, 2018, 07:26:56 AM
sleep with one eye open
don't forget her birthday
Title: Re: My wife is amazing...
Post by: BillyB on May 19, 2018, 09:54:16 AM

Deccie, hopefully you stay on her good side to maintain a healthy set of balls.

What your wife put up with in the workplace is unfortunate but guys who marry smokinhotkovas need to understand their wives will be hit on. Fortunately nobody put their hands on my wife but she's had guys give her candy, flowers and even got a phone call from a cop who passed her by on the road. Ran her license plates, got her number and called her to ask her out.
Title: Re: My wife is amazing...
Post by: krimster2 on May 19, 2018, 10:25:16 AM
I tried to get my daughters interested in martial arts classes, but no luck, even with bribery...
what did work was to set up a boxing gym in the back yard and let them spar with their old man and occasionally letting them "land one" as a reward
that got them interested enough for me to segway from there to "street fighting"
I taught them all my "sucker punches" including ones to the eyes
my oldest earned her "rep" by "decking" a boy who was harassing her at school
and when they attempted to suspend her, I showed up at the principal's office with my attorney
needless to say she wasn't suspended....
nobody messes with us Russian-Americans, nobody.....
we are "Плохо жопа"


Title: Re: My wife is amazing...
Post by: deccie on May 19, 2018, 08:14:54 PM
Deccie, hopefully you stay on her good side to maintain a healthy set of balls.

What your wife put up with in the workplace is unfortunate but guys who marry smokinhotkovas need to understand their wives will be hit on. Fortunately nobody put their hands on my wife but she's had guys give her candy, flowers and even got a phone call from a cop who passed her by on the road. Ran her license plates, got her number and called her to ask her out.
Thank you Billy.
My wife is beautiful, but what drives these guys crazy is she behaves not like a normal Russian Woman.She is very atypical in a lot of ways. I've never been  closer to someone  in all my life. They can't predict her - and it drives them batty. She has similar experiences as a manager because she doesn't do things the normal russian way.

Essentially the current guy at the moment is trying to buy her and he is just trying to work out what the price will be. My wife is smart enough to know he isn't looking for a long term relationship.
We have had others in power trying to bust us up before including one General in a well known service familiar to James Bond  watchers. He is in jail now, despite his best efforts to separate us.
Latest gift was a $30k piece of jewellery.  Sent back straight away. Probably a car will be next.
Title: Re: My wife is amazing...
Post by: ML on May 19, 2018, 08:27:32 PM
It's getting a little deep here.
Title: Re: My wife is amazing...
Post by: msmob on May 19, 2018, 10:10:24 PM
Hi Deccie,

Your wife is the sort of woman Trench seeks - watch out ;)
Title: Re: My wife is amazing...
Post by: BillyB on May 19, 2018, 10:55:04 PM
Latest gift was a $30k piece of jewellery.  Sent back straight away. Probably a car will be next.


All the candy given to my wife was given to me, not returned. Send that guy my way.
Title: Re: My wife is amazing...
Post by: deccie on May 20, 2018, 12:13:16 AM
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Title: Re: My wife is amazing...
Post by: deccie on May 21, 2018, 09:01:32 PM
Property gift was yesterday. 4 bedroom villa in Europe...
Title: Re: My wife is amazing...
Post by: msmob on May 21, 2018, 11:08:36 PM
Deccie,

this guy is getting scary.  What happens when he realises wifey cannot be bought and gets upset ?
Title: Re: My wife is amazing...
Post by: Sting23 on May 21, 2018, 11:19:47 PM
Sounds like a full blown stalker. 
Title: Re: My wife is amazing...
Post by: deccie on May 22, 2018, 03:03:47 AM
Deccie,

this guy is getting scary.  What happens when he realises wifey cannot be bought and gets upset ?
We are aware of that risk and are taking appropriate precautions. We do have a family member in power that can help us as a last resort. But I won't indicate here who he is or what position he has.
Title: Re: My wife is amazing...
Post by: deccie on May 22, 2018, 03:07:20 AM
Sounds like a full blown stalker.
That is possible. The guy has a reputation around town of  f*cking anything in a skirt.There are a couple of other possibilities which again I don't want to discuss in a public forum.
Like I said, we are taking precautions.
Title: Re: My wife is amazing...
Post by: deccie on May 22, 2018, 03:08:38 AM
Deccie,

this guy is getting scary.  What happens when he realises wifey cannot be bought and gets upset ?
Personally, I don't think the villa was a gift. I think it was bait.
Title: Re: My wife is amazing...
Post by: Sting23 on May 22, 2018, 04:50:44 AM
Personally, I don't think the villa was a gift. I think it was bait.

Unless the title and deed was in her name it wasn't a gift at all.  Even if he's that rich there would be strings attached. 
Title: Re: My wife is amazing...
Post by: BillyB on May 22, 2018, 10:49:27 AM
Property gift was yesterday. 4 bedroom villa in Europe...

If that doesn't work, he'll probably offer her a whole country next. If the guy feels one of the obstacles in the way is her being married, watch your back. You may want to start recording these events with the local law enforcement agency.
Title: Re: My wife is amazing...
Post by: msmob on May 22, 2018, 11:15:44 AM
If that doesn't work, he'll probably offer her a whole country next. If the guy feels one of the obstacles in the way is her being married, watch your back. You may want to start recording these events with the local law enforcement agency.

BillyB, once again, proves he is clueless about life in Russia... :wallbash:

You REALLY think the local Police would lift a finger ?   Esp. if the guy is wealthy enough to pay bribes ?
Title: Re: My wife is amazing...
Post by: alex330 on May 22, 2018, 11:58:21 AM
Unless the title and deed was in her name it wasn't a gift at all.  Even if he's that rich there would be strings attached.


Correct. We are friends with a girl here who was "given" an 800 acre yoga retreat in Costa Rica by a wealthy Belgian. But he can take it at any time and gift it to the next girl.
Title: Re: My wife is amazing...
Post by: BillyB on May 22, 2018, 02:00:50 PM
BillyB, once again, proves he is clueless about life in Russia... :wallbash:


What flag is that under Deccie's name? The guy gave his wife 350 roses. Do Russian men give odd or even number of roses? Figure it out and get back to me.
Title: Re: My wife is amazing...
Post by: Hammer2722 on May 22, 2018, 03:00:39 PM
What flag is that under Deccie's name? The guy gave his wife 350 roses. Do Russian men give odd or even number of roses? Figure it out and get back to me.

Actually Billy, Deccie is currently living in Russia with his wife.
Title: Re: My wife is amazing...
Post by: deccie on May 23, 2018, 04:35:04 AM
Unless the title and deed was in her name it wasn't a gift at all.  Even if he's that rich there would be strings attached.

She got a call to go to the notary to get the transfer documents.
She didn't go.
Title: Re: My wife is amazing...
Post by: deccie on May 23, 2018, 04:36:07 AM
If that doesn't work, he'll probably offer her a whole country next. If the guy feels one of the obstacles in the way is her being married, watch your back.

True, more worried about the kids being at the wrong place at the wrong time.
Title: Re: My wife is amazing...
Post by: deccie on May 23, 2018, 04:39:59 AM
Actually Billy, Deccie is currently living in Russia with his wife.
Indeed so.  5th anniversary next month. Married and family life is grand (except for the typical teenage girl issues) but income level sucks right now particularly as we try to deal with the current tax office small business scam. We just had a bank account locked today by the tax office just as an international transfer was due to arrive. grrrrr... No, not related to the current issues above. This problem existed well before he showed up.

I'd love to find a new (remote) job doing either sysadmin or network design work.
Title: Re: My wife is amazing...
Post by: Maxx2 on May 23, 2018, 04:55:23 AM
Indeed so.  5th anniversary next month. Married and family life is grand (except for the typical teenage girl issues) but income level sucks right now particularly as we try to deal with the current tax office small business scam. We just had a bank account locked today by the tax office just as an international transfer was due to arrive. grrrrr... No, not related to the current issues above. This problem existed well before he showed up.

I'd love to find a new (remote) job doing either sysadmin or network design work.


Maybe a move to Georgia might be what you need?
Title: Re: My wife is amazing...
Post by: deccie on May 23, 2018, 05:00:25 AM

Maybe a move to Georgia might be what you need?
Nice idea, would love to.
Can't until the tax issue is resolved as until the "debt" (in quotes since it is completely fictional) they put my wife on the blocked travel list.
Title: Re: My wife is amazing...
Post by: msmob on May 23, 2018, 05:02:01 AM
Deccie, I feel your pain

In Russia no one takes responsibility or is accountable when a wrong decision is made

Svetlana has a Raiffeisen account and I send her money - they blocked her account - for not explaining where the money was coming from - even though we had emailed the Financial Monitoring Dept ( twice) in March and May - when we asked WHY did you block the account ? ( "You didn't respond" - which we did - of course and could prove it - from the email address the bank has for Svetlana)

Wrote to Raiffeisen Head office in Austria as I got fed up with the buck passing

They lifted the block but set a lower limit for withdrawals and incoming - c.$2000 / month- 'pending investigation'

I remember Mendy posting that his Wife's account was blocked - never heard the end result of that.





Title: Re: My wife is amazing...
Post by: deccie on May 23, 2018, 05:08:52 AM
Deccie, I feel your pain

In Russia no one takes responsibility or is accountable when a wrong decision is made.
There is that but there is also active theft hidden in the background. My wife's mother had over 300,000 rubles taken by her bank from her pension over several years. You can bet they didn't return it!

We took the banks here to court several times for active theft from our accounts. We generally won the court cases but did not get the funds returned in all cases. After our case here at least one of the banks involved went insolvent because they had been stealing from all their customers..
Title: Re: My wife is amazing...
Post by: deccie on May 23, 2018, 05:12:09 AM
We think the tax office case is one of two things:

1/ The tax and pension office local area managers are trying to pad their own pockets or
2/ They are trying to boost revenues anyway they can.

Or some combination of both.
Title: Re: My wife is amazing...
Post by: deccie on May 23, 2018, 05:29:46 AM
It has been a hard couple of weeks here.
Just last week a close friend of my wife's mother who lived not far from us was found hung in their apartment
after his wife came home from shopping. I say "found hung" as it is not  certain he suicided. He was owed a lot of money by some other people. Needless to say his wife was traumatised by the situation. That then impacted my wife's mother very hard. Which then impacted my wife...
Title: Re: My wife is amazing...
Post by: krimster2 on May 23, 2018, 05:42:01 AM
shades of Magnintsky
Title: Re: My wife is amazing...
Post by: BillyB on May 23, 2018, 06:30:57 PM


I posted some advice if you were living in Russia but someone must've been so bad it got moved to the junk pile. I'll try again. Your wife should invite the guy to meet you in a neutral location. Be polite, let him know you appreciate him thinking his wife is a worth catching and that is why you married her and you both let him know your marriage is solid and for life.

Looking him in the eye makes a big difference. Right now you're a non factor to him because you haven't met him. Once my wife was in Ukraine at a restaurant with friends and family without me and music began to play. A guy walked up to her and asked her to dance. She said "no, I have a husband". His reply was "He's not here and asked her to dance again."

Some men who want to marry a woman with kids got resistance from the kids fathers. Some men defused the situation by meeting the father of the kids.

This problem existed well before he showed up.


Possible but also consider that more problems can pop up. In America, big developers check on property records to see who owns what property. They get the names of the owners and do background checks on them. They find those who are in financial trouble and make lowball offers on their property.

The big shot you're talking about can learn of your tax troubles and put more hurt on you. Financial struggles are the number one reason marriages break up. On one end the guy temps your wife with riches and may try to make your financial life hell implying the grass is greener on his side.
Title: Re: My wife is amazing...
Post by: JayH on May 23, 2018, 09:58:24 PM
Deccie --  please be very certain that you take no advice or suggestions from sillyBilly1 here -  unless you want to get yourself killed! :o

Title: Re: My wife is amazing...
Post by: BillyB on May 23, 2018, 10:52:57 PM
Deccie --  please be very certain that you take no advice or suggestions from sillyBilly1 here -  unless you want to get yourself killed! :o

IF you ever get married Jay, tell your wife if a guy is hitting on her aggressively, don't ask you to get involved because you don't want to get hurt or killed. You can't be a good husband to her if you get hurt, right?

Deccie's wife is being hit on aggressively and doing nothing hasn't stopped the activity. Doing nothing may give the guy the impression Deccie doesn't care. Right now doing nothing may be more dangerous to Deccie than doing something.
Title: Re: My wife is amazing...
Post by: deccie on May 23, 2018, 11:03:48 PM
IF you ever get married Jay, tell your wife if a guy is hitting on her aggressively, don't ask you to get involved because you don't want to get hurt or killed. You can't be a good husband to her if you get hurt, right?

Deccie's wife is being hit on aggressively and doing nothing hasn't stopped the activity. Doing nothing may give the guy the impression Deccie doesn't care. Right now doing nothing may be more dangerous to Deccie than doing something.
Billy, I appreciate the advice and due to the "strong man" mentality here I do think you are largely correct.
So yes, a meeting of some kind is needed. But you will never be able to meet this guy alone. At least he will have some kind of bodyguard in the shadows and they will most likely be ex special forces so we do need to step gently. Doing nothing is not an option but we want to avoid pissing him off too far as well.
Title: Re: My wife is amazing...
Post by: JayH on May 23, 2018, 11:26:44 PM
Billy, I appreciate the advice and due to the "strong man" mentality here I do think you are largely correct.
So yes, a meeting of some kind is needed. But you will never be able to meet this guy alone. At least he will have some kind of bodyguard in the shadows and they will most likely be ex special forces so we do need to step gently. Doing nothing is not an option but we want to avoid pissing him off too far as well.

Deccie --  can you make sure your wife knows how to post here -I want to hear about the outcome of meeting ! :wallbash:
Title: Re: My wife is amazing...
Post by: BillyB on May 23, 2018, 11:41:44 PM
But you will never be able to meet this guy alone. At least he will have some kind of bodyguard in the shadows and they will most likely be ex special forces so we do need to step gently.


Have your wife set up a meeting in a café or restaurant. You, him and your wife being present. Be respectful but you both need to give the impression your marriage is strong and happy.  If he doesn't see you and you both together, he doesn't see a strong happy marriage. The guy may think of chasing married women as a sport but I don't think he's totally evil and will destroy your happy marriage for his game.

Deccie --  can you make sure your wife knows how to post here -I want to hear about the outcome of meeting ! :wallbash:

Very few meetings end with a hanging. Don't be paranoid and spread it to Deccie. I'm sure if Deccie meets the guy, he will come back to post himself what happened and his marriage will be stronger. His wife seems like a strong enough woman to take care of herself but Deccie needs to offer a solution that involves him or his marriage may weaken.
Title: Re: My wife is amazing...
Post by: deccie on May 24, 2018, 12:07:53 AM
I can say we have dealt with this type of person before. The one person who added considerably to our  situation here thought he could pile on the financial stress then sail in and "save the day". He bought a ring for my wife - without even having kissed her.
He didn't count on two things:
1. That we worked out it was he that was  creating a lot of the stress.My wife didn't reaslise he was "chasing" her until I told her after she mentioned some things to me.(It was well before the ring situation.)

2. He was attracted to my wife exactly because of her character - but it was her character that made what he was trying to do impossible as he was using methods that would work with a normal Russian.

He miscalculated very, very badly. Not only did he lose his own career. (Probably he will lose more as because of his former position I  severely  doubt he will ever be released and will be more likely to end up with a bullet in the back of his head than ever walk out a free person again.) but  multiple others also ended up in jail. He was probably guilty of organising assaults on two other people who had being  "helping" us including one American citizen working for a large US multinational here and our lawyer being the other.
In any even the meeting with the current person will not be for a while as he is in Moscow for business meetings. We don't know when he will return as yet.
Title: Re: My wife is amazing...
Post by: msmob on May 24, 2018, 12:36:17 AM
Have to concur with JayH, here

Please ignore BillyB's  'advice'. He is clueless about your predicament.


You are outnumbered and this is not a Segal movie.

Your best bet is to bite on it and remove your family from the spotlight.

Sort out your Missus'  inability to travel and LEAVE.

For all you know, her problem may be at the suggestion of the 'benevolent  oligarch'?

There are some battles you cannot win and this is one of them.

Title: Re: My wife is amazing...
Post by: BillyB on May 24, 2018, 01:03:58 AM

We have a woman here that crushed a man's balls and she's called "Amazing". We have men here that are more concerned about their own skin instead of offering assistance to a wife that is enduring harassment alone. I'm sure these men would tell their girls their lack of action is amazing too.

Deccie and wife can't leave until tax problems are taken care of so they have to deal with this issue since leaving is not an option.

Deccie's wife crushed the guys balls. She's still alive. If Deccie simply talks to the guy, Deccie will survive too. The guy is a businessman, not a mafia hitman.
Title: Re: My wife is amazing...
Post by: msmob on May 24, 2018, 01:35:24 AM
We have a woman here that crushed a man's balls and she's called "Amazing". We have men here that are more concerned about their own skin instead of offering assistance to a wife that is enduring harassment alone. I'm sure these men would tell their girls their lack of action is amazing too.

Deccie and wife can't leave until tax problems are taken care of so they have to deal with this issue since leaving is not an option.

Deccie's wife crushed the guys balls. She's still alive. If Deccie simply talks to the guy, Deccie will survive too. The guy is a businessman, not a mafia hitman.

BillyB

This is not the USA ..the normal rules don't apply - it's more like the wild west.   

Your advice sucks.... Deccie's aim is to project his family ... no need to talk to the guy .. His wife is doing fine ...  Deccie introducing himself into the equation will just confirm to the stalker that his efforts are creating instability and will prob enhance his efforts . 

They have kids.

You really have NO idea - You don't spend time there ...so please stop offering what could be dangerous 'advice'   



Title: Re: My wife is amazing...
Post by: Sting23 on May 24, 2018, 03:15:20 AM
deccie, you sure got alot of drama going on!!  Why can't these guys find another woman.  I'm wondering if you being a foreigner has anything to do with them pursuing so hard.

Title: Re: My wife is amazing...
Post by: msmob on May 24, 2018, 03:34:32 AM
Sting,

I don't think it has ANY influence .. the fruit-cake stalker just has a crush on Deccie's wife.  He is used to getting his own way

Hopefully, he will get bored and desist
Title: Re: My wife is amazing...
Post by: JayH on May 24, 2018, 04:21:09 AM
Sting,

I don't think it has ANY influence .. the fruit-cake stalker just has a crush on Deccie's wife.  He is used to getting his own way

Hopefully, he will get bored and desist

I highlighted the point I want to reinforce.
Because of all the economic  issues involved women who want to keep their jobs or promotion prospects intact are at the mercy of of men upstream in the FSU system. That extends to where the well /better off spend money   etc

Good looking girls and women have to live with that type of attention -- attention that in many western countries would see legal complications for a perpetrator.
I have seen first hand numerous times .(too many times)

As for silly Billy1 -- typical pipsqueak who thinks he becomes a real man when he can reach for his gun ! He offers some stupid ignorant advice based on his non exposure  and no idea who could be at the other end. Like so many gun supporters in the US who are deluded into thinking they will always be the one to survive a shooting -sillyBilly1 advice is most likely to provoke a greater response -- and not get it to slide away.He is the same guy that advised a guy to take on an agency owner -- again with zero idea of what connections that agency may have
The FSU is pretty much still the wild west( east!!) in many aspects -- and thinking or suggesting playing tough guy is a prescription to finish up in the hospital-if you are lucky!
The fact that it even needs spelling out here --  :deadhorse: :cluebat: :wallbash:
Title: Re: My wife is amazing...
Post by: Sting23 on May 24, 2018, 04:43:04 AM
yeah I guess in Russia men can still get away with stalker like behaviour.  It is basically harrassment.   Happens in the West too, with Trump, Weinstein, Matt Lauer, business men, politicians etc...   Just that now everyone is shining a light onto it and they are getting exposed. 
Title: Re: My wife is amazing...
Post by: Jumper on May 24, 2018, 07:10:14 AM
Sting,

I don't think it has ANY influence .. the fruit-cake stalker just has a crush on Deccie's wife.  He is used to getting his own way

Hopefully, he will get bored and desist

At some point it's best to remove the entire family from the situation,regardless loss of funds etc.

Second incident of such, with lots of drama involved with the other guy also, prison term. etc etc.



 Some people seem to be involved in a lot of drama ,innocently or not ,it always seems to  surround them in any situation.

Maybe its the job, and the  type of client, etc
But its seems worth a significant change .


FSU is still corrupt as can be,and men can get away with murder.literally.
With multiple incidents there,
I'd be rethinking  career ,business, location.
Sure such can happen anywhere, but it's not, its happening there, in that line of work,in that city.


Title: Re: My wife is amazing...
Post by: msmob on May 24, 2018, 07:40:04 AM
yeah I guess in Russia men can still get away with stalker like behaviour.

Not just 'Russian men', eh Sting23 ? 

Next time you 'byatch' about your losing PM rights on here - you might like to dwell on your own stalking habits
 
Title: Re: My wife is amazing...
Post by: krimster2 on May 24, 2018, 07:45:09 AM
in Ukraine,

you'll notice that in banks and other commercial establishments that the women are uncommonly good looking and extremely sexy
there's a reason for that, and not just for customer presentation, because it even applies to the executive offices
actually it especially applies there

young beautiful women have a choice about their careers (if they want to do anything besides kiosk sales)
they can use their sex
but they have a "price" to pay
in Ukraine, women fully expect to pay the price
it's part of the bargain, the exchange
and they will uphold their end of the deal

at least in Ukraine, all this is hidden, below the surface
and no one will ever complain about it
because frankly no one is listening, so why bother...

this whole thing of bosses/workers and sex is major meme in Ukraine that few outsiders know about







Title: Re: My wife is amazing...
Post by: ML on May 24, 2018, 09:36:07 AM
in Ukraine, you'll notice that in banks and other commercial establishments that the women are uncommonly good looking and extremely sexy
there's a reason for that, and not just for customer presentation, because it even applies to the executive offices actually it especially applies there


On the other hand . . .

On one of my business trips to Ukraine, a bank there asked me to interview 3 local women who had applied to give English lessons to their staff.

I advised them that 2 of them would be OK.  The third one actually had terrible English.

Of the 2, one was fairly attractive (like an 8.5 or so), while the other was a 5-6.

They chose the 5-6 because the feeling was the 8.5 would be too much of a distraction for the men during the lessons.
Title: Re: My wife is amazing...
Post by: BillyB on May 24, 2018, 10:24:04 AM
Why can't these guys find another woman.


Those guys find other women all the time. If those guys hit on 50 women a year, some posters here would recommend the husbands/boyfriends of the 50 women quit their jobs and move out of the city or State/Oblast since they believe any response by the husbands/boyfriends will end in a hanging.

In the FSU shit happens...a lot. People don't move, they deal with it and survive. A few stories of a bad ending doesn't mean it's a regular occurrence. Deccie is dealing with a businessman, not the mafia. If Deccie didn't have unfinished business with the tax authorities, I'd recommend him moving out of the FSU, not because of the guy hitting on his wife but for the reason to give his family/kids the best chance for success is to leave the FSU. I've never believed people can succeed there as easy as they could succeed in a Western nation.
Title: Re: My wife is amazing...
Post by: msmob on May 24, 2018, 10:30:25 AM
I'd recommend him moving out of the FSU, not because of the guy hitting on his wife but for the reason to give his family/kids the best chance for success is to leave the FSU. I've never believed people can succeed there as easy as they could succeed in a Western nation.


Sighs,

Many kids grow up quite happily, there and moving from what is familiar is painful.  They might not thank him, initially

You most defo CAN succeed there  - live well - if you don't  poke a corrupt official / biziniz man

Deccie has had his fair share of crap and it is is for him / his wife to decide what is best for his family - despite our opposing views.

Mine are based on living there .. yours ?
Title: Re: My wife is amazing...
Post by: BillyB on May 24, 2018, 10:43:29 AM

Many kids grow up quite happily, there and moving from what is familiar is painful. 


So you say the FSU is a great place to live for most people but you recommend everybody who has a bad experience like Deccie to move. Most people in the FSU will have at least one very bad experience living there.

Mine are based on living there .. yours ?


Much of your advice to Deccie is not based off your experience but based off your fears. You made it clear you'd run if a man with money were to hit on your wife.
Title: Re: My wife is amazing...
Post by: msmob on May 24, 2018, 04:10:08 PM
So you say the FSU is a great place to live for most people but you recommend everybody who has a bad experience like Deccie to move. Most people in the FSU will have at least one very bad experience living there.

BillyB - please learn to READ and THINK - before responding - as you  appear dafter than one gives you a little credit ftr ..

Indeed, one can live a great life in Russia  - if you don't rely on one's income being derived FROM there. 

Much of your advice to Deccie is not based off your experience but based off your fears.

You don't have a CLUE about my experiences in Russia - that is clear .. !  My 'fear' is that Deccie would listen to your 'advice' - bearing in mind you haven't taken on board the opinion of those who DO still go to the FSU / live there

You made it clear you'd run if a man with money were to hit on your wife.

I made it clear that I'd leave / move away - in his position . .. as they have kids and you cannot understand that he can be convicted for something he didn't do - if lover boy has the police in his pocket - he can be moved off the board.

Once again, this isn't the west.

I advise based on the very experience you suggest I don't have..doing what you think I wouldn't ... I've been arrested and spent the night in the cells, for allegedly causing 'Actual Bodily Harm' - when a guy tried to stop me seeing my kids and I had a Family Court contact order for that weekend - I just let him have the first swing and he broke his nose on the top of my head..   

Whilst it was satisfying for a few seconds - I spend a lot of time flying from Cyprus to the UK for 2 x  Magistrates Court hearings and then a trial by jury at a Crown Court...

Of course, I was found unanimously not guilty ... but I didn't see my kids for six months - so it was a pyrrhic victory.. 

Because of such experiences I feel WELL able to advise Deccie to turn the other cheek - as he cannot expect justice in Russia when up against someone who can fight dirtier.





 
Title: Re: My wife is amazing...
Post by: BillyB on May 24, 2018, 07:35:23 PM

Russian Wife : Honey, today at work a big customer of the company touched me inappropriately and I crushed his balls.

Moby/JayH : Sweetheart, you know I've lived in the FSU for a few years which makes me an expert on how things work here. Why did you risk the lives of me and your children by hurting that man? You know every time one of your friends is sexually harassed by the boss or a big time customer, I recommend they move to another Oblast. That is what Russians do everyday for their safety. That is the reasonable thing to do. If you care about my safety, lets do it.

Russian Wife : Are you stupid? I've lived here all my life and understand how things work better than you and if I thought the man was dangerous to my family, I wouldn't have physically hurt him. He's a business man who feels entitled, not mafia.

Moby/JayH : Arrrrrgggghhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!! Why did you kick me in the balls?????????????

Russian Wife : I didn't kick you in the balls because you don't have any.
Title: Re: My wife is amazing...
Post by: msmob on May 24, 2018, 11:18:58 PM
BillyB the 'alpha  male'   :ROFL:



Title: Re: My wife is amazing...
Post by: krimster2 on May 25, 2018, 09:30:08 AM
"He's a business man who feels entitled, not mafia."


mafia and business are the same thing!!!

a similar thing actually happened to me in Sevastopol
a guy who just happened to be the Crimean minister of interior who is in charge of privitizing land sales
gets drunk and grabs my wife's ass at a social event
I went completely ballistic, I didn't want to hit him he was old and out of shape
but I put myself 12 inches from his face and called him a pig for touching a woman so disrespectfully
everyone was in shock, including my wife, at MY BEHAVIOR!
I could hear the Russians around me whispering...
"ahhh, he's Americanski, they're worse than Georgians when it comes to women..."
needless to say, I never made any deals with him
which turns out to have been a good thing

moral of this story tovarish
when in Russia, leave your American glasses at home
you won't like what you see...
wear Russian glasses when in Russia
but be sure to take them off when you come home

a good captain
always makes the journey
as smooth as he can make it
avoid the choppy waters






Title: Re: My wife is amazing...
Post by: BillyB on May 25, 2018, 09:51:28 AM
mafia and business are the same thing!!!

a similar thing actually happened to me in Sevastopol
a guy who just happened to be the Crimean minister of interior who is in charge of privitizing land sales
gets drunk and grabs my wife's ass at a social event


Politicians and mafia same thing too? Mafia wants to control everybody but they aren't everybody.

We have "experts" here telling Deccie to pack up his bags, his family, and move far far away. That is easy to say because it's not their lives being disturbed. These same "experts" say Russia's a wonderful place to live.

Deccie should offer to help his wife. His wife, not the "Experts" here can decide if his help is productive or dangerous. If dangerous, she can say "thanks but no thanks". If she feels it would be productive, she can invite the businessman to meet her and Deccie at a restaurant to have a mature talk. The businessman can accept or refuse. If he accepts, he may respect Deccie and his wife and his pursuit of Deccie's wife stops.

If Deccie offers his wife no assistance, that could be more harmful to their marriage than the guy harassing her.
Title: Re: My wife is amazing...
Post by: krimster2 on May 25, 2018, 10:05:40 AM
"Politicians and mafia same thing too?"

of course!!!
Title: Re: My wife is amazing...
Post by: krimster2 on May 25, 2018, 10:13:24 AM
i'm just making a suggestion
that your perception is cultural
and when you're living in another culture...
I believe that if you'll check page 17 of the manual
it sez, "when in Rome, do as the Romans do"
did you think that only applied to Italy?

by the sound of it, his wife has the situation under control
and no display of manhood is necessary

seriously, don't make waves
ain't nobody got time for that
Title: Re: My wife is amazing...
Post by: BillyB on May 25, 2018, 10:32:35 AM
"when in Rome, do as the Romans do"


That's why I said Deccie should talk to his wife about a meeting. She's the expert of the local culture and what is currently going on. Packing up your bags and leaving over an incident like this is not what Deccie's wife is recommending at this time. Deccie should at least make an offer of his services to make his wife's life more comfortable.
Title: Re: My wife is amazing...
Post by: krimster2 on May 25, 2018, 10:57:00 AM
if I were deccie
I'd go to the local butcher
and right after they butcher a pig
I'd ask for the testicles
and put them in a mason jar of vodka
then go to the guy harassing his wife
and apologize for not meeting earlier
but there was another guy harassing his wife
and pull out the mason jar and show him
and say, you're finished with that guy now
and that tomorrow you'll deal with him
and set the jar down and walk out

 
Title: Re: My wife is amazing...
Post by: BillyB on May 25, 2018, 12:46:36 PM

What if the businessman is an expert on pig balls and calls Deccie's bluff? Why don't Deccie walk into the guy's office and drive an axe into his skull? No need to bluff who's tougher and crazier. Deccie will be the new Alpha male in town and be well respected.
Title: Re: My wife is amazing...
Post by: krimster2 on May 25, 2018, 01:15:07 PM
“What if the businessman is an expert on pig balls and calls Deccie's bluff? “

depends on the size of the pig, they look the same as human, just get the right size
seriously, even a doctor wouldn’t visually be able to tell a bloodied pig testicle from a human one
i’ve held them in my hand (you’ll have to guess which kind...)

the ax approach will have consequences
the pay-off required for such behavior might be more than you can afford
especially if he was in a “group” then multiple pay-offs
does it sound like it’s really worth suitcases full of $$$ to you

i learned never to bluff russians, ever
you avoid issues
not try to bluff your way out, that will fail in 2 seconds
russians don’t give a f%%% about your bluff, they will immediately call it

if you’re going to live over there
you make it a habit to NOT to get in conflicts over there PERIOD
because it’s just NOT WORTH THE PRICE
and anybody over there can totally screw you with almost no effort

100 times easier to play defensively than offensively in Russia
Title: Re: My wife is amazing...
Post by: msmob on May 25, 2018, 03:40:14 PM
Politicians and mafia same thing too? Mafia wants to control everybody but they aren't everybody.

We have "experts" here telling Deccie to pack up his bags, his family, and move far far away. That is easy to say because it's not their lives being disturbed. These same "experts" say Russia's a wonderful place to live.



It is - given the situation I quoted - once again - try READING ...   

Deccie doesn't need to be a 'hero' ...  only an IDIOT would apply your 'logic' to his circumstances....

Title: Re: My wife is amazing...
Post by: BillyB on May 25, 2018, 04:03:18 PM
only an IDIOT would apply your 'logic' to his circumstances....


I'm sure cowards called men who signed up for the military during war idiots too. It's apparent there's nothing important in your life worth fighting for. I'm not even recommending Deccie fight anybody but it seems you think running away is always the smart answer. If every man in your country thinks like you, you wouldn't have a country.
Title: Re: My wife is amazing...
Post by: JayH on May 25, 2018, 04:47:23 PM


i learned never to bluff russians, ever
you avoid issues
not try to bluff your way out, that will fail in 2 seconds
russians don’t give a f%%% about your bluff, they will immediately call it


Exactly correct  .

Silly Billy1 is a an undersized pipsqueak who thinks because he can wave his gun around his world that it impresses people -- about as stupid as it gets.
Title: Re: My wife is amazing...
Post by: krimster2 on May 25, 2018, 05:21:53 PM
"I'm sure cowards called men who signed up for the military during war idiots too. It's apparent there's nothing important in your life worth fighting for. "

if you go there with that attitude, that's pretty much all you will do there is get into "beefs" with people
what you don't understand is the consequences if it gets out of control will cost you "bolshoi dollar"

in 2006, I was quoted by a major in the Sevastopol PD that $10,000 was "walking away" money for them, if the person you killed was a total nobody and no witnesses
but that's just police
you also have to pay the local prosecutor, the local judge who would have jurisdiction and the local SBU chief the same amount
for a nobody

otherwise you go to jail and they steal everything you own, take your choice

if you kill someone important the amount could be in the hundreds of thousands or more

plus if you are really smart, you pay $20,000 to local criminal gang to take the fall with planted evidence

for $100 anyone can go and bribe a police officer and get all you bank account and property info on anyone
making an enemy there is no joke

many people have security

I had security sometimes




 
Title: Re: My wife is amazing...
Post by: BillyB on May 25, 2018, 06:09:09 PM
"I'm sure cowards called men who signed up for the military during war idiots too. It's apparent there's nothing important in your life worth fighting for. "

if you go there with that attitude, that's pretty much all you will do there is get into "beefs" with people
what you don't understand is the consequences if it gets out of control will cost you "bolshoi dollar"


That "attitude" help people in Ukraine get rid of their mafia president and do police reform.

Exactly correct  .

Silly Billy1 is a an undersized pipsqueak who thinks because he can wave his gun around his world that it impresses people -- about as stupid as it gets.

Jay, you and Moby insult people here more than any other. Nice to be safe behind a computer monitor. In the FSU there are people who get ran over and there are people who do the running over. If a guy like Trench smashed your face in after walking past him at the park, I suspect you'd run like Moby.
Title: Re: My wife is amazing...
Post by: Boethius on May 25, 2018, 06:26:58 PM
Ukraine never got rid of their mafia presidents.  They just replaced one set of crooks with another.

Currently, the "new and improved" police are again shaking down citizens, even more insolently than in the past.  To add insult to injury, in the "reformation"of many police forces, the most experienced officers and detectives were terminated, replaced wituh idiots with no police training.  So, in one police force, every experienced drug enforcement detective was let go, and the new head of the unit is a psychopathic schizophrenic whose psychiatrist called a reporter, so concerned he was about this individual having that power.  The end result was the psychopath's brother showed up at the psychiatrist's home, threatening both him and his family if he didn't shut up.  The psycho is still head of a police unit.

On a different note, the stories of some of the guys who decided to stay and fight.  It ended so well for them - in gulags, or sent to the far reaches of Siberia, where thousands froze to death-

http://www.persee.fr/doc/cmr_1252-6576_1997_num_38_1_2486 (http://www.persee.fr/doc/cmr_1252-6576_1997_num_38_1_2486)

Here's a whole book, mostly of photos, of people who decided they'd rather fight than keep their heads down.  Spectacular results!

http://www.amazon.com/product-reviews/B000ZZKM3A/ref=acr_dpproductdetail_text?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1 (http://www.amazon.com/product-reviews/B000ZZKM3A/ref=acr_dpproductdetail_text?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1)

The description of the book is not completely accurate.  Not every photos depicts someone in a camp.  Some are civilians who never made it to a camp.

Now, the descendants of those who had no compunction in carrying out such atrocities continue to do so with impunity, albeit sans gulags. A few years ago, a couple of Party of Regions politicians were arrested for hunting humans for sport.  How often do you hear of that in the West?  Their sentences were fairly low. 

I remember one of the UW posters posted a video of a prominent politician's son smashing a bottle over the head of a girl in Lugansk, as she spurned his advances.  As it was caught on video, he did go on trial, due to general outrage.  But what is less well known is that he spent virtually no time in custody, thanks to his connections.

This is the reality of messing with the wrong people in Ukraine. I doubt Russia is much different.
Title: Re: My wife is amazing...
Post by: DaveNY on May 25, 2018, 07:33:47 PM
deccie my wife and I read your thread and discussed it. I lived in Moscow for 6 years and my wife is a native of Moscow. Take our advice or leave it.
Don't know where you live if we missed it in reading your thread sorry. My wife had some admirers in Moscow when we lived them. They were merely men who liked very tall young beautiful women. They were no problem for her to take care of on her own.

If as you say this admirer of your wife is the richest man in town and your town is a small town in the middle of nowhere you and your wife may be able to handle it yourselves. However if your town is a city and the admirer is not just the richest man in the city but the richest man in the region/oblast it's unlikely you can handle it yourselves. In fact it's doubtful your wife knows how much trouble she's in.

First bit of advice, our apologies if this has already been mentioned. Find out everything you can on this man. Google him. Discreetly ask around. If you have friends who offer to help get them to do the same but do it discreetly.

Again if this man is the richest man in the area it's likely he not only has contacts in the city's and region's police forces, it's like he controls or has access to some paramilitary groups in the area. In some parts of Russia these paramilitary groups have semi-official status and at times assist the area's police and military groups. It's also likely that as the richest man in the oblast he has some influence or can get some help from Moscow.

Make no mistake and tell your wife this, if this man is that rich and important she could disappear one day and never be found or worse. Women disappear all the time in Russia. Look it up.

It's also possible if he has significant influence in the region he is the reason you have tax problems and this is being used to keep you in the area.

If this man is serious about having your wife the idea that the 3 of you can sit down and have a rational discussion is foolish. If anything this will only encourage his delusion even more. Our advice is if at all possible leave not just the area but the country. Go back to Australia but at a minimum get out of Russia.   
Title: Re: My wife is amazing...
Post by: BillyB on May 25, 2018, 08:08:28 PM
Currently, the "new and improved" police are again shaking down citizens, even more insolently than in the past.  To add insult to injury, in the "reformation"of many police forces, the most experienced officers and detectives were terminated, replaced wituh idiots with no police training. 


Everybody I talked to who lives in Ukraine told me the police are better. So far nobody told me they are going back to their old ways. Idiots? The new cops are trained by Western nation's police forces. Just like we sent our military over there to train their soldiers, we sent our police too.

Go back to Australia but at a minimum get out of Russia.
 

I've always said a man should put his family in a good environment and give his kids the best chance to succeed by living in a Western nation but I got experts and expats here telling me what a wonderful place the FSU is. After you read enough of their posts about the problems and misery there and add it all up, you wonder how they can say it's a wonderful place.

Deccie said he and his wife dealt with a man like that before and the guy ended up losing his career. The wife crushed the current guy's balls and got away with it but people talk to Deccie as if he and his wife doesn't understand what they are getting into and the guy is mafia. Maybe he and his wife have a better idea who they're dealing with than we?

Deccie's wife is on the blocked travel list yet people continue to advise him to run. Deccie also said doing nothing isn't an option and a meeting with the guy can't happen until he gets back into town.

I'm glad Deccie started this thread because it gives us insight of the kind of posters we have here. Although Deccie said leaving and doing nothing aren't options, the advice some people continue to give is leaving or doing nothing. They offer zero advice to help a woman.  Deccie needs a solution to get his wife a life free of harassment and Deccie should offer his assistance to his wife and if his wife feels a meeting is a first step to a solution, Deccie should go and not worry about his own skin. Obviously we have men here more worried about their own skin than the welfare of their wife. Leaving town is not an option. Doing nothing allows things to escalate and put Deccie's wife in danger. Is there any MEN here that can offer advice to help Deccie's wife that doesn't include running away or doing nothing?
Title: Re: My wife is amazing...
Post by: DaveNY on May 25, 2018, 09:03:33 PM
I got experts and expats here telling me what a wonderful place the FSU is.

I had no problems living in Moscow. However, I spent much of my childhood and adult life living abroad so for me it was nothing new. However, if I had a choice between living in Moscow or NYC I'd choose NYC every time. If I had a choice between living in Moscow and London I'd choose London every time. I actively avoided trouble in Moscow whereas living in NYC I know the rules much better and wouldn't necessarily avoid legal troubles like I did in Moscow.

Deccie said he and his wife dealt with a man like that before and the guy ended up losing his career. The wife crushed the current guy's balls and got away with it but people talk to Deccie as if he and his wife doesn't understand what they are getting into and the guy is mafia. Maybe he and his wife have a better idea who they're dealing with than we?

Maybe Deccie and his wife understand the problem better than us maybe not. We're still missing lots of information. Such as where exactly does he live? As I said it makes a difference. If the admirer is simply some rich guy in a small town in the middle of nowhere Russia he might not be much of a problem. If he's a rich guy in a large city such as, for example Tver and he's the richest man in the region, he's a much much bigger problem. If he really did offer her a villa in a foreign country then he's more than likely the latter. These type of guys own the local police. Have their own corp of bodyguards and might have their own paramilitary unit. They're dangerous beyond what most of us in the west can understand.

Deccie's wife is on the blocked travel list yet people continue to advise him to run.

Why is she on the blocked travel list? Because of the tax problem? Something else? As I said if he has enough local influence her being on the blocked travel list may be his way of keeping her in town.

Deccie also said doing nothing isn't an option and a meeting with the guy can't happen until he gets back into town.

Someone mentioned meeting the admirer in a neutral location. What would a neutral location be? A restaurant or bar or store? If he's rich and owns local businesses or his friends own local businesses how would Deccie and his wife know which places are neutral?


I'm glad Deccie started this thread because it gives us insight of the kind of posters we have here. Although Deccie said leaving and doing nothing aren't options, the advice some people continue to give is leaving or doing nothing. They offer zero advice to help a woman.  Deccie needs a solution to get his wife a life free of harassment and Deccie should offer his assistance to his wife and if his wife feels a meeting is a first step to a solution, Deccie should go and not worry about his own skin. Obviously we have men here more worried about their own skin than the welfare of their wife. Leaving town is not an option. Doing nothing allows things to escalate and put Deccie's wife in danger. Is there any MEN here that can offer advice to help Deccie's wife that doesn't include running away or doing nothing?

BillyB say they meet this guy in what they think is a neutral location. They talk for a while and then a couple of the man's bodyguards come in and grab Deccie's wife by her arms and take her out of the building. She struggles but the men are strong and ex military.

Deccie objects. A couple of other men slap Deccie around until he's unconscious. Deccie wakes up. His wife's gone. All the men are gone. Deccie goes home. His wife's not there. Deccie reports this to the police. The admirer owns the police. The police do nothing. Deccie protests. Then witnesses come forward and say they saw Deccie arguing with his wife and say Deccie dragged his wife away. Can you guess what the police are going to do next?

If this guy is rich and important running may be the only answer. If he can afford to gift her a foreign villa he is likely very very dangerous and running may be their best bet even if it's simply to another part of Russia.
Title: Re: My wife is amazing...
Post by: Davo2 on May 25, 2018, 09:15:14 PM
I have several experiences in my life that have taught me not to confront people you don't know or know who their friends and associates are. Confrontation is always the last option.

I boxed at an amateur level for several years and thought I could hold my own in most situations, but after moving to the city, I soon realised how wrong I was.

I started an apprenticeship in the engineering / metal working trade, which has many members of "motor cycle enthusiasts" groups, in it's ranks. On my first day another qualified older guy was also starting and he took me under his wing. We become good friends, but what I didn't know is he also had a side business. He and his friend, ( a massive guy who had used steroids for most of his life ) were stand over / debt collector men for a well know criminal  organisation.

When I was 22 I discovered my ex and my best friend since school, were  having an affair. It was obvious at work that something was wrong with me and I confided in my friend. He said " don't worry, I have your back" two weeks later I found out my ex best friend was in hospital and shortly after he left our state. I learnt later that my work friend had given him a beating and the day he left hospital he was escorted to the border. He was so scared he spent the next 4-5 years living on a small island off the coast of Queensland.

Some time later I had worked my way up to an afternoon shift supervisor. I was supervising 3 affiliates of the same organisation (not my work friend, he had moved on to another job and we eventually lost touch ) when a new guy started. He was a gun smith. He run cnc machines and in between loading jobs he was repairing and making guns, unbeknown to my boss. I made it clear I wasnt happy with the  situation and the next night  2 strangers arrived and I was told in no uncertain terms what would happen to me if I didn't turn a blind eye. I had a young family and needed the job, so I followed their instructions.

One night there was a football game between our two local clubs and the gun smith invited me to his house nearby to watch the game during our break. When I arrived there were many members of the group there and a fight broke out between two mates over the football game. One was a full member and the other was a nom.  The nom was knocked out cold and then kicked in the head until other's stepped in. Another night at their local pub, I witnessed one member beat a total stranger unconscious over some bread that was eaten at the bar. It was an eye opening experience..... If they will do this to their own and others over a simple disagreement, I can only I imagine what they would do to someone they had a real issue with.

I left the job shortly after and decided to start a small engineering business at home, to keep an eye on my wayward wife and spend more time with my kids. I was handballed a customer from a business I supplied parts for. Supposedly he wanted one of my engine bay dress up kits and the business didn't have time to deal with him ( this was a lie, they were scared to deal with him). The first red flag was he could only meet me at a predetermined time as he wore a tracking collar on his leg. I did the work for him and was never paid the $500 he owed. When I called and fired up at him, he threatened me, and my family. He said it might not happen tomorrow, but I'll always have to watch my back.

I started to be concerned and I called the business that was dynoing his car. I was told that he is was an associate of another motorcycle group, extremely violent and has just  been released from jail for extortion, money laundering and manslaughter. It was suggested that I sincerely apologize and offer to forget about the money owed, which I did. He eventually paid me and ordered a kit for his friend, which I was never paid for. Several years later I found out he had been killed in an "accident" in NSW. Again this was another example of a small argument and how far these people will take it...... threats to murder my family.

Three years ago my wife was up to her old tricks and I kicked her out of my  house. I'd caught her having yet another affair. She's married to the guy now and oh boy he's in for a life of misery. 4 months later I received a call from a familiar voice who said one thing and then hung up "I have your back, I'll sort it!!".... I had lost touch of my work friend 10 years earlier, but he still felt obligated to help me yet again. I frantically called him back and told him not to worry as I was happy and in fact this guy had done me a big favour by taking her off my hands. We have become good friends again over a the last few years. He's out of the business now and is living a quiet life, but still has contacts. The stories he's told me of his younger years are insane. If he didn't incriminate himself, it would be a best seller for sure.

So the moral of this short novel is, you never know who you are dealing with and as much as we all think we are tough Alfa males, really we would be a blubbering mess when confronted with the men I've seen first hand involved in organised crime. I can imagine the contacts that some business men have in Russia are on a far scarier level than I've experienced here.
Title: Re: My wife is amazing...
Post by: BillyB on May 25, 2018, 09:49:10 PM
Maybe Deccie and his wife understand the problem better than us maybe not. We're still missing lots of information.


We are missing a lot of information but we need to deal with the information Deccie gives us. His wife crushed the guy's balls and she wasn't physically harmed. Deccie feels they successfully dealt with a guy like that in the past and Deccie has considered meeting the new violator even after reading posters concerns. Deccie and his wife feels dealing with this guy won't end up in a worst case scenario.

Why is she on the blocked travel list? Because of the tax problem? Something else? As I said if he has enough local influence her being on the blocked travel list may be his way of keeping her in town.


They say they don't owe taxes but the government says they do so Deccie and wife are fighting it and until it's settled, she's blocked from travelling. Earlier I mentioned the guy may be involved in creating this problem for Deccie and his wife but Deccie is sure the guy came into their lives well after the tax problem did.

BillyB say they meet this guy in what they think is a neutral location. They talk for a while and then a couple of the man's bodyguards come in and grab Deccie's wife by her arms and take her out of the building. She struggles but the men are strong and ex military.

Deccie objects. A couple of other men slap Deccie around until he's unconscious. Deccie wakes up. His wife's gone. All the men are gone. Deccie goes home. His wife's not there. Deccie reports this to the police. The admirer owns the police. The police do nothing. Deccie protests. Then witnesses come forward and say they saw Deccie arguing with his wife and say Deccie dragged his wife away. Can you guess what the police are going to do next?


That can happen but that is an extremely rare event, even in Russia. What is a common event after a meeting is everybody goes home alive and unhurt.

Leaving the country is not an option. Deccie and his wife tried doing nothing but nothing hasn't worked since things have escalated. Doing nothing has now become more dangerous than doing something.

Every man here should put themselves in Deccie's shoes. They should think what can they do to help their wife if she is harassed relentlessly. If their wives asked to have a meeting in a restaurant or her workplace in a conference room with the guy, they shouldn't hesitate to do what their wives want. Whatever a husband and wife decides together to solve the problem and regardless of the outcome, they shouldn't live with regrets.
Title: Re: My wife is amazing...
Post by: alex330 on May 25, 2018, 10:07:44 PM
What would you do Billy?

Edit - found it.

I posted some advice if you were living in Russia but someone must've been so bad it got moved to the junk pile. I'll try again. Your wife should invite the guy to meet you in a neutral location. Be polite, let him know you appreciate him thinking his wife is a worth catching and that is why you married her and you both let him know your marriage is solid and for life.

So, somewhere like the desert at 2 am you mean? A "Troy Kell"? Would work if he was alone I guess.
Title: Re: My wife is amazing...
Post by: DaveNY on May 25, 2018, 10:23:23 PM
What is a common event after a meeting is everybody goes home alive and unhurt.

Why would everyone go home alive and unhurt? The admirer wants Deccie's wife and if he can afford to gift the wife a villa he can take her if he wants and Deccie can do nothing to prevent it. The admirer probably owns the police so nothing will happen to him. For him this is being reasonable. Deccie and his wife are the unreasonable ones by not bowing to his wishes.

Leaving the country is not an option. Deccie and his wife tried doing nothing but nothing hasn't worked since things have escalated. Doing nothing has now become more dangerous than doing something.

So Deccie and his wife stay in the country. The tax office takes whatever they want from Deccie and his wife. Taking the tax office to court is a no go because the court is probably in on the scam. Then the admirer takes Deccie's wife because he can and Deccie can't stop him. This is what you're saying.


Every man here should put themselves in Deccie's shoes. They should think what can they do to help their wife if she is harassed relentlessly. If their wives asked to have a meeting in a restaurant or her workplace in a conference room with the guy, they shouldn't hesitate to do what their wives want. Whatever a husband and wife decides together to solve the problem and regardless of the outcome, they shouldn't live with regrets.

My wife says you don't understand Russia. She say Russia is a mafia state at all levels. Her words translate as criminal however I prefer the term mafia it sounds more corrupt to me. Same meaning different words.
Title: Re: My wife is amazing...
Post by: Davo2 on May 25, 2018, 10:55:54 PM
I was going to add this to my last post.

Deccie is better just to let his wife handle it. If he starts making waves, it just tells the other man that he's feeling insecure. He's lucky, he has a wife with great morals, something the other man lacks.

For a man who has obviously bought women's affections before, being rejected by a strong, intelligent and attractive woman is the biggest insult.

Showing that this man is of no consequence or a threat to him and he's not even worth worrying about, sends a far stronger message than looking insecure.

I used to date a stunning 28 year old a few years ago. She was always getting hit on, even in front of me. Watching her shut the younger guys down and them sulking off with their tail between their legs, was much more satisfying than me getting involved.

Title: Re: My wife is amazing...
Post by: alex330 on May 25, 2018, 10:57:47 PM
Deccie is better just to let his wife handle it. If he starts making waves, it just tells the other man that he's feeling insecure. He's lucky, he has a wife with great morals, something the other man lacks.

For a man who has obviously bought women's affections before, being rejected by a strong, intelligent and attractive woman is the biggest insult.

Showing that this man is of no consequence or a threat to him and it's he's not even worth worrying about, sends a far stronger message than looking insecure.


Pretty much. Unless he gets crazy and crosses a line, better to let her just shut him down.
Title: Re: My wife is amazing...
Post by: DaveNY on May 25, 2018, 11:22:08 PM

Pretty much. Unless he gets crazy and crosses a line, better to let her just shut him down.

If the admirer, who has offered Deccie's wife a villa in another country, doesn't take no for an answer and decides to kidnap her what is she going to do? Fight off his ex military bodyguards?

As my wife has said if he's that wealthy he has his own corp of bodyguards and probably even has his own paramilitary group. How would Deccie's wife resist? How would Deccie protect his wife and himself?

I would like to know. Even my wife is interested in knowing how a woman is going to fight off a man who won't take no for an answer and his bodyguards.
Title: Re: My wife is amazing...
Post by: BillyB on May 25, 2018, 11:37:18 PM
What would you do Billy?


If my wife asked me to talk to the guy, I would look her dead straight in the eyes and say "NO! If he takes you, I'm willing to share you with him. If he takes you away forever, I can always find another wife but I can't do that if I'm dead." ..............I'm not going to do what Moby or JayH would do.

Edit - found it.


The guy may not want to meet but if he does, I would sure friends and family back home know about the meeting, then call the embassy and asked to speak directly to the Ambassador. Give him the scoop and ask if he can back me up. If during the meeting with the businessman we get along fine, then great. If I sense he doesn't like me. I will pass him a number to call my friend at the embassy to vouch we have a happy marriage.

No matter how bad those people are in Russia, there's always somebody more dangerous. They wouldn't want to create an international incident over a few hours of fun with a married woman. Putin has bigger things to worry about.

When I was in high school and seen a bully push a guy like Moby or JayH, I would walk up to the bully and push him down and say "Do you like how that feels?" Never lost a fight.

I joined the Army not in peacetime but during the first Gulf War. I have no problem sticking a knife in someone's throat or putting a bullet in their head if I felt they are bad for this world.

I run construction company. I work with other companies who's employees aren't the finest people in the world. Over half my employees been in jail and aren't the finest people in the world. I'm used to dealing with rough people. They don't scare me. Dying doesn't scare me. I'd rather die on my feet than live on my knees. So if my wife needs help at a risk to my life, I wouldn't hesitate to give her help.

he can take her if he wants and Deccie can do nothing to prevent it.


Russia can take Ukraine if they want it and Ukraine can't stop it. Might as well raise the white flag and hand the country over? How about a little resistance to deter aggressive behavior? If true the guy wants Deccie's wife at all cost, he'll definitely get what he wants with no resistance when doing nothing. So now doing something is better than doing nothing.

So Deccie and his wife stay in the country. The tax office takes whatever they want from Deccie and his wife. Taking the tax office to court is a no go because the court is probably in on the scam. Then the admirer takes Deccie's wife because he can and Deccie can't stop him. This is what you're saying.


I never said Deccie can't stop him. Other men have said that and recommended doing nothing or running away. Deccie and his wife feel they can beat the tax scam so it's their decision to do so. Paying the outstanding taxes may allow his wife to travel again.

My wife says you don't understand Russia. She say Russia is a mafia state at all levels.


I understand Russia very well. It's why I tell people don't live there. I also understand when my wife needs help and that is priority over understanding the feelings of bad guys. No married man wants to be in this position but shit happens a lot in the FSU. Some posters claim it's a great place to live when married men go through the same problems Deccie is experiencing everyday.

As my wife has said if he's that wealthy he has his own corp of bodyguards and probably even has his own paramilitary group.


Let's not speculate. What we do know is the woman successfully crushed the guys balls without bodyguards or a private army intervening.

Alright guys, who's next? I told what I'd do. What would you do if you couldn't leave, the situation is escalating, and the wife asks for your help? Be brave and wear Deccie's shoes for a moment.
Title: Re: My wife is amazing...
Post by: Sting23 on May 25, 2018, 11:41:11 PM
well if Deccie's wife crushed the dude's balls so hard she's probably got him under control.  Sounds like he's just enamoured with her and trying to buy affection like many rich guys do.

All this speculation about bodyguards kidnapping her seems far fetched even in Russia. 
Title: Re: My wife is amazing...
Post by: alex330 on May 26, 2018, 12:58:59 AM
I would like to know. Even my wife is interested in knowing how a woman is going to fight off a man who won't take no for an answer and his bodyguards.

Hard to say. Every situation is different and we don't know all the facts here. The whole thing may be a story for all we know (Deccie seems pretty straight though, so I believe him)

What does he do for a living? Is he aggressive?

I deal with similar situations all the time with my wife. She flies the super wealthy around the World and they always hit on her or offer her xyz. Nobody has offered my wife a villa yet though, so that's a new one...

My wife is usually able to shut the guys down quickly, only a few times has there been an major issue.

If I was in Deccie's shoes? Hard to say, need more info. If it was in Russia it would be easier for me to deal with than here though. Wife knows the owner of one of the largest sports betting operations in Moscow.
Title: Re: My wife is amazing...
Post by: alex330 on May 26, 2018, 01:03:50 AM
The guy may not want to meet but if he does, I would sure friends and family back home know about the meeting, then call the embassy and asked to speak directly to the Ambassador. Give him the scoop and ask if he can back me up.


I have found embassies are usually not very helpful and have their hands tied. Just my experience dealing with them on multiple occasions in LATAM.
Title: Re: My wife is amazing...
Post by: alex330 on May 26, 2018, 01:09:18 AM
We are aware of that risk and are taking appropriate precautions. We do have a family member in power that can help us as a last resort. But I won't indicate here who he is or what position he has.


That's what I would do if I was Deccie.
Title: Re: My wife is amazing...
Post by: msmob on May 26, 2018, 01:20:35 AM
If my wife asked me to talk to the guy, I would look her dead straight in the eyes and say "NO! If he takes you, I'm willing to share you with him. If he takes you away forever, I can always find another wife but I can't do that if I'm dead." ..............I'm not going to do what Moby or JayH would do.
 

 :ROFL:

"I understand Russia", says BillyB ...and Russian wives and most of us here know otherwise..


My wife says you don't understand Russia.

Who seriously believes anyone would be as 'pragmatic' as BillyB suggests re a breakup  ?
Title: Re: My wife is amazing...
Post by: mhr7 on May 26, 2018, 01:41:02 AM
If my wife asked me to talk to the guy, I would look her dead straight in the eyes and say "NO! If he takes you, I'm willing to share you with him. If he takes you away forever, I can always find another wife but I can't do that if I'm dead." ..............I'm not going to do what Moby or JayH would do.
Say this to a woman and she'll go with the other man very willingly. Alex is right, the embassy isn't going to do anything but offer advice and this man isn't going to be concerned with what an American official says anyway.

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So if my wife needs help at a risk to my life, I wouldn't hesitate to give her help.
??????????

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I understand Russia very well.
I don't think so.
Title: Re: My wife is amazing...
Post by: krimster2 on May 26, 2018, 07:19:54 AM
oh my, a gulf war veteran
your 100 hours of combat in a mechanized armor division in the desert
will be useful in a Moscow office building...???

anyone can kill anyone
drunk baboshka’s kill their drunk husbands with a potato peeling knife on a daily basis in Russia
you don’t get to feel like a man for killing someone
the feeling of taking somone’s life sucks big time actually and doesn’t ever go away
if you ever had this experience
you find yourself taking measures to have to not repeat it, just sayin’...
so I will assume that you haven’t “been there”
and this is all your little “hero fantasy”, cuz that’s really all this is...

i find it incredible that you think taking an oligarch’s life would be without consequences
and that you think everyone would be so intimidated by your actions that they’d leave you alone
ignorance kills
in this case you

who would kill you first?
the police, and then steal everything you own inc bank accounts, property?
his family?
his mafia partners?
will they also kill your family?

if you live in Russia, you want a hassle free life
this means
low profile
don’t make waves
don’t make enemies
don’t let little problems turn into big ones because of your attitude
don’t ever escalate - always de-escalate
you must practice economy of force - always do the minimum to achieve a goal

understand this, living in Russia means getting peppered daily by rude offensive behavior of all different kinds, you can’t have an extreme reaction every time this happens
you have to learn to roll with it, it’s part of the authentic cultural experience of Russia

BTW, American embassy will not help you
I was arrested in Honduras in 1987 for a curfew violation and detained for 24 HR, my phone call was to the US embassy who said “how unfortunate”....
Title: Re: My wife is amazing...
Post by: BillyB on May 26, 2018, 08:19:14 AM
Say this to a woman and she'll go with the other man very willingly.


Why are you telling me that? I'm not the one who recommends doing nothing and allowing the wife to deal with it alone.

if you live in Russia, you want a hassle free life
this means
low profile
don’t make waves
don’t make enemies
don’t let little problems turn into big ones because of your attitude
don’t ever escalate - always de-escalate
you must practice economy of force - always do the minimum to achieve a goal


I'm sure Deccie and many others done what you recommend and they don't live hassle free lives in the FSU. What you recommend is what I recommend to Deccie. Doing nothing has escalated the situation. I recommend Deccie de-escalating.


I have found embassies are usually not very helpful and have their hands tied. Just my experience dealing with them on multiple occasions in LATAM.

The embassy was very helpful to me one time and my Congressman helped me twice pertaining to Visas. Squeaky wheel gets the grease. Don't squeak or squeak properly, don't get grease.
Title: Re: My wife is amazing...
Post by: mhr7 on May 26, 2018, 08:44:07 AM
Why are you telling me that? I'm not the one who recommends doing nothing and allowing the wife to deal with it alone.
Quote
If my wife asked me to talk to the guy, I would look her dead straight in the eyes and say "NO! If he takes you, I'm willing to share you with him. If he takes you away forever, I can always find another wife but I can't do that if I'm dead."

This is doing nothing and allowing your wife to deal with it alone.
Title: Re: My wife is amazing...
Post by: BillyB on May 26, 2018, 08:52:23 AM
This is doing nothing and allowing your wife to deal with it alone.

 :wallbash: :wallbash: :wallbash: Don't quote the sentence out of context.  It means something different if you quote the whole paragraph. Then look up the word "sarcasm".
Title: Re: My wife is amazing...
Post by: mhr7 on May 26, 2018, 09:13:01 AM
:wallbash: :wallbash: :wallbash: Don't quote the sentence out of context.  It means something different if you quote the whole paragraph. Then look up the word "sarcasm".
You've said so many ridiculous things on this forum it's not always easy to see a distinction between your sarcasm and your reality.
Title: Re: My wife is amazing...
Post by: krimster2 on May 26, 2018, 10:39:08 AM
"embassy was very helpful to me one time and my Congressman"

two completely different things and depends on the particular embassy
Title: Re: My wife is amazing...
Post by: msmob on May 26, 2018, 10:48:17 AM
:wallbash: :wallbash: :wallbash: Don't quote the sentence out of context.  It means something different if you quote the whole paragraph. Then look up the word "sarcasm".

Really, you cannot see ANY irony in your indigence ?

Fact is you are busted for twisting to suit who is tearing your stance apart .. When the likes of JayH and I suggested NOT interfering and even distancing the wife from the stalker - you mocked us - as if you were some sort of Rambo ...

Can't you remember what you posted in the last 24 hours ?

 
Title: Re: My wife is amazing...
Post by: whynotme on May 27, 2018, 01:01:19 AM
A couple of days back my wife met with one of her wealthy clients. A very wealthy client. Probably the richest guy in this city at least. As she got into his car  for him to drop her back at the office he put his hand at a very inappropriate place... My wife crushed his balls so hard he could not drive away for the next 20-30 minutes... :couple:
Next day he sent 350 roses to her office...
Seriously?  ;) The bouquet should weigh about 25-30 kg.
I reminded one anecdote.
- Doctor, my neighbor is 80 years old, and he says that he has sex 7 times a night.
- What is your problem? Say the same thing...
Title: Re: My wife is amazing...
Post by: ML on May 27, 2018, 07:33:59 AM
Seriously?  ;) The bouquet should weigh about 25-30 kg.
I reminded one anecdote.
- Doctor, my neighbor is 80 years old, and he says that he has sex 7 times a night.
- What is your problem? Say the same thing...

Finally a sensible comment.
I said the same at beginning.
"It is getting deep in here."
Title: Re: My wife is amazing...
Post by: BillyB on May 27, 2018, 10:12:30 AM

I once had an employee who always came to me with a problem. I told him every job we've ever done was finished. Problems always get solved. I told him stop coming to me with a problem and instead bring me a solution.

I've seen over 60 posters read this thread at any given time. I'm sure most are men and most of them don't offer a solution. Some just talks about the problems in Russia.

Deccie said running away isn't an option and doing nothing hasn't stopped the man from pursuing his wife. Let's give Deccie a solution by telling him what YOU"D do in his situation.

Obviously Deccie has talked to his wife about a solution. If YOUR wife said she'll handle it, you guys can rest easy that you are not called upon to do your manly duties of protecting the family. You guys remember that wedding vow to always protect the wife from harm?

BUT let's say your wife says the best option with the business man to talk to him and give him the impression you two have a happy and solid marriage, would you do it? For me, this is an easy answer but some men here aren't answering the question. Even Deccie, who is actually in this situation, said he's willing to talk to the guy.

I understand many men here would not go to war for their country. I get it. What I don't get is many men here won't go to war for their wife/family. In this situation you don't even have to go to war, just talk to the guy if your wife asks. The answer is a simple yes or no but all I hear is silence.


"embassy was very helpful to me one time and my Congressman"

two completely different things and depends on the particular embassy

I would hope an embassy would be more willing to help a person who's family is in danger over a person like me who needed help with visas. I wonder if Deccie's embassy can help his family get out of the country on a military plane?
Title: Re: My wife is amazing...
Post by: alex330 on May 27, 2018, 11:00:29 AM
Let's give Deccie a solution by telling him what YOU"D do in his situation.


He mentioned the solution on the first page Billy. I already quoted it. That's his best option.
Title: Re: My wife is amazing...
Post by: ML on May 27, 2018, 11:06:30 AM
I wonder if Deccie's embassy can help his family get out of the country on a military plane?

Yes . . . whenever a woman experiences sexual harassment, a military plane should be used to get her and her family out of the country.
Title: Re: My wife is amazing...
Post by: DaveNY on May 27, 2018, 11:15:28 AM
I once had an employee who always came to me with a problem. I told him every job we've ever done was finished. Problems always get solved. I told him stop coming to me with a problem and instead bring me a solution.

I've seen over 60 posters read this thread at any given time. I'm sure most are men and most of them don't offer a solution. Some just talks about the problems in Russia.

Deccie said running away isn't an option and doing nothing hasn't stopped the man from pursuing his wife. Let's give Deccie a solution by telling him what YOU"D do in his situation.

As I mentioned before if this admirer is some comparatively rich guy is a small town in the middle of nowhere he might not be a problem however if he's the local billionaire in a city of a million plus he's a big problem. The latter seems the more likely option since Deccie said he offered his wife a villa in another European country. Here's why this admirer might be very dangerous by the numbers:

1. He's really, really rich. In Russia the 1% of the 1% feel even more entitled than they do in the US and Europe.
2. He probably has his own bodyguard unit with lots of bodyguards. Many ex military. In Russia the very rich really do need lots of bodyguards for protection.
3. He probably owns a number of local/regional cops, government officials and maybe military officials.
4. He might very well have his own private militia unit. These units sometimes have semiofficial status and work with the local cops and local state/national military.
5. Maybe he has influence in the Kremlin?
6. The murder rate in Russia is astronomically higher than in the US. About 2.5 times higher. This is really depressing when you consider that the US has far more guns.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate#By_country   
7. People disappear all the time in Russia, especially women.  http://www.pravdareport.com/history/30-10-2008/106646-people_disappear-0/
http://www.elle.com/uk/life-and-culture/longform/a40924/russia-domestic-violence-victims-fight-for-their-lives/


Obviously Deccie has talked to his wife about a solution. If YOUR wife said she'll handle it, you guys can rest easy that you are not called upon to do your manly duties of protecting the family. You guys remember that wedding vow to always protect the wife from harm?

BUT let's say your wife says the best option with the business man to talk to him and give him the impression you two have a happy and solid marriage, would you do it?

Would I talk to the guy? It depends. Before talking to him I'd want to find out everything about him I could. For instance:
1. Does he have a history of mental instability?
2. Have former girlfriends or wives disappeared? Have they been physically harmed?
3. Have former friends or enemies of his disappeared?
4. Have family members disappeared? Have they been harmed by him?
5. Does he travel with a number of bodyguards?
6. What properties around town does he own?
7. Does he own local police, politicians, judges, prosecutors?
8. If he a target for harm by criminals or others?
9. Can my embassy help? Can they get me out of the country secretly if needed?
10. Can I design a plan to get my family out of the country?

If the answers, as best as you can determine, to all of these questions is 'no' I'd try talking to him. If the answers to these questions is 'yes', especially to questions 1, 2, 3, 4 then talking doesn't seem like a good idea.



Title: Re: My wife is amazing...
Post by: BillyB on May 27, 2018, 12:43:41 PM
He mentioned the solution on the first page Billy. I already quoted it. That's his best option.


He said he has a family member with some power but he also said he thinks a meeting of some kind is necessary in another post. He and I so far has admitted we'd do that for our wives.

Yes . . . whenever a woman experiences sexual harassment, a military plane should be used to get her and her family out of the country.


Some guys want to pack up the whole family and run when someone with money touches their wife. When you can't depend on the local police to enforce the law, maybe one can depend on their own military? When my fiancée, now wife, was living in Tripoli, Libya, I told her NATO is bombing a road for the rebels to Tripoli and they are very close now. She said it's safe in Tripoli and the problems are on the other side of the country. I told her not to believe the State run news, pack up her stuff and get ready to leave. Get the Ukrainian embassy's phone number and call them to figure out what to do in case of emergency. That night she couldn't sleep because gunfire sounded off for the first time in the Capital. Her and her mom did call the Ukrainian embassy and got to the airport and on a military plane and escaped the war.

Would I talk to the guy? It depends. Before talking to him I'd want to find out everything about him I could. For instance:
1. Does he have a history of mental instability?
2. Have former girlfriends or wives disappeared? Have they been physically harmed?
3. Have former friends or enemies of his disappeared?
4. Have family members disappeared? Have they been harmed by him?
5. Does he travel with a number of bodyguards?
6. What properties around town does he own?
7. Does he own local police, politicians, judges, prosecutors?
8. If he a target for harm by criminals or others?
9. Can my embassy help? Can they get me out of the country secretly if needed?
10. Can I design a plan to get my family out of the country?

If the answers, as best as you can determine, to all of these questions is 'no' I'd try talking to him. If the answers to these questions is 'yes', especially to questions 1, 2, 3, 4 then talking doesn't seem like a good idea.


Dave, I'm sure Deccie and his wife thought about most of those "what ifs" before making their decision to have a meeting with the businessman. I'm sure Deccie's wife thought about who she was dealing with before crushing his balls.

Regardless if you or any man here thinks their wife is wrong, if she asks for help in the form of a meeting, would you or any man refuse your wife?

My goal for joining the Army during the first Gulf War was to serve my country and help the people of Kuwait. Those things were more important to me that the thought of personal survival and staying away from bodily harm. Some people thought the war was about oil and not about liberating Kuwait. I do not care about their reasons, I only cared about mine. Assuming all possible solutions have been considered and used with no fruitful results, in a situation like Deccie's, my wife's reasons to have me take action to make her life easier would be more important than mine even if I thought it didn't make sense and would get me hurt. I would be ashamed if I refused my wife's request and my wife got hurt. That scenario should be factored into the "what ifs" list.

Wife asks for help after all factors factored in. Answer is yes or no. Hesitating is as good as a "no" answer for the health of a man's marriage.
Title: Re: My wife is amazing...
Post by: krimster2 on May 27, 2018, 12:46:58 PM
Billy, Billy, Billy....
why do you want to make this about “how big of a man you are”
you know the kind of men who think this way?
little men, Billy, little men...

first, this story IMHO is being magnified in both the telling and the hearing

since you seem to be entirely ignorant of the nuances of Russian social etiquette
let me offer you my much needed assistance...

a response by YOU towards any offender of your wife’s “virtue”
is ONLY required if it is done in your PRESENCE
otherwise Russians will think you are some kind of possessive “Psycho”
if you respond later

that’s one thing

second, if this guy is some kind of oligarch
you are outgunned so badly that any approach by you
would end in your complete humiliation
if you are lucky

what our man experienced is all normal there
you better learn to adapt to it and the other 540 things that will piss you off there

Title: Re: My wife is amazing...
Post by: BillyB on May 27, 2018, 12:54:18 PM

Krimster, this doesn't have to be complicated. If you wife asks for your help, it's a simple yes or no answer. Keep dancing around the question if you want.
Title: Re: My wife is amazing...
Post by: krimster2 on May 27, 2018, 02:14:35 PM
your wife would never ask you for help in this situation, seriously!

I know, because as I have said, I have been there and done that
and what I learned was:

1. it's not an actual threat to your family so you don't have to escalate this to a life or death situation
2. if you make any kind of public scene about it, YOU will be the bad guy!

it's REAL easy for someone who wants to do you harm, to go ahead and do just that if they want
they could sue you in court for title to your property and pay the judge
take over your bank accounts
all that is super easy for someone with wealth and power to do
or just pay someone to kill you and make it look like a robbery gone bad

to people of power you always want to present yourself as someone who someday might be useful to them
if you can use common sense to not be on their shit list you better use it

but like I say this is just one type of potential problem, that arises from something halfway accepted in one culture
but is a trigger in another culture
hope you like people cutting in front of you in line - you gonna have a fist fight each time this happens?
what will you do when you see your neighbors dumping their garbage on your lawn, ya gonna fight them to?
when pedestrians run right out 20 feet in front of you without looking, you gonna run em over?
and on and on and on.....

no, you are not

you are going to mellow the hell out
and not act so god damned insecure
because to be quite honest with you Billy,
if you're livin large in Russia
ya got better things to be doin than fightin with pretty much every single person you meet there
when you go to Russia
leave insecurity at home
and bring a metal detector or something useful like that instead

 
Title: Re: My wife is amazing...
Post by: BillyB on May 27, 2018, 02:29:58 PM
your wife would never ask you for help in this situation, seriously!


You just keep dancing. Never say never. The situation in your nightmares isn't anywhere near as bad as Deccie has stated.

Gentlemen, I've got over 11,000 posts here. I've probably read over 100,000 posts. I've been on  forums like this for over a dozen years. I've been involved with numerous FSU women for over 20 years but it's funny you are trying to educate me on how bad businessmen and mafia are in the FSU as if I never read or was told about it. Even if they are bad people, if your wife is in a bad situation and she asks for help, the answer should be clear. If she's asking, a simple yes or no answer is all that is required. Trying to educate her on how bad businessmen and mafia are is silly after the question. She's factored in those facts before asking the question.

Trust the women who lived there that they know about their culture and if they feel the circumstance requires their man to have a talk to the guy, what will you do? Don't keep dancing and say it will never happen. What will you do Krimster if your wife asks for help? I know your wife won't put you in harms way unnecessarily unless doing nothing is more harmful based off the way it's escalating. Any married man or single man here is free to answer the question. Hopefully you don't get a dance partner Krimster.
Title: Re: My wife is amazing...
Post by: krimster2 on May 27, 2018, 02:44:21 PM
an oligarch is untouchable under any circumstance
especially by a foreigner
wife would have to avoid all future contact with him
if that means she takes a leave of absence from work...

you cannot make ANY public move against this guy, period
any attempt at intimidation will be met with laughter by him
he’ll call you a “bug" he could easily crush, and he’s correct...
but, this conversation make just him a little paranoid about you
so really what you just did was “tip him off” about your evil intentions

if you have to have a go at the king
you better not fail
and you better not tip him off

you just don’t sound like the kinda guy to do this
cuz if you were
you’d never “talk” about it
hmmm hmmm
cuz you wouldn’t have to
right...??
Title: Re: My wife is amazing...
Post by: Boethius on May 27, 2018, 02:51:11 PM
Finally a sensible comment.  I said the same at beginning.  "It is getting deep in here."


I disagree.  He didn't post that 350 roses were delivered in one vase.  350 roses is just under 30 dozen.  They can be delivered, either on stem or in vases, likely not in one vase. 
Title: Re: My wife is amazing...
Post by: BillyB on May 27, 2018, 03:14:37 PM

If I were born without testicles and someone asked me if I was the type of guy who would risk my life to protect my kids if they were facing harm, I would not dance around the question. I would not hesitate to answer. I would not say it could never happen because I can't have kids. I would say "Yes, I'm the type of guy that would protect my family." Easy answer.

When I joined the military, I understood that could mean dying for my country. That doesn't mean I'll run into a hail of bullets without thinking first. In war and Deccie's situation, all options are bad but the situation to be dealt with in a way to cause the least amount of harm but harm already happened and can get worse. If asked to reduce harm to the wife, it seems some men here feel harm to the wife is better than harm to themselves.

an oligarch is untouchable under any circumstance
especially by a foreigner

I thought you knew about Russia. A few oligarchs are sitting in prison right now. Give Putin grief and they are getting touched. Creating an international incident to have fun with a married woman and hurting Russia's image is plain stupid. I mentioned upthread how to plant a seed in the guy's head without threats.

Anyway, I'll chalk your answer to be a "no" if your wife asked for help against a businessman because you automatically assume he's an oligarch. You're rationalizing every incident is worst case scenario.

He didn't post that 350 roses were delivered in one vase.  350 roses is just under 30 dozen.  They can be delivered, either on stem or in vases, likely not in one vase. 


I assume a florist would deliver them like any florist would, in a van with a few employees carrying them to the recipient.
Title: Re: My wife is amazing...
Post by: krimster2 on May 27, 2018, 04:37:18 PM
"I thought you knew about Russia. A few oligarchs are sitting in prison right now. Give Putin grief a"

seriously, so you're on Putin's level now are you, wow!!!
you better put on a uniform and salute yourself in the mirror
AT-TEN-TION!!!
Title: Re: My wife is amazing...
Post by: Arti99 on September 12, 2018, 02:16:46 PM
your wife would never ask you for help in this situation, seriously!

I know, because as I have said, I have been there and done that
and what I learned was:

1. it's not an actual threat to your family so you don't have to escalate this to a life or death situation
2. if you make any kind of public scene about it, YOU will be the bad guy!

it's REAL easy for someone who wants to do you harm, to go ahead and do just that if they want
they could sue you in court for title to your property and pay the judge rencontres russes (http://www.antiarnaques.org/verifiez-si-un-site-de-rencontre-russe-est-honnete) take over your bank accounts
all that is super easy for someone with wealth and power to do
or just pay someone to kill you and make it look like a robbery gone bad

to people of power you always want to present yourself as someone who someday might be useful to them
if you can use common sense to not be on their shit list you better use it

but like I say this is just one type of potential problem, that arises from something halfway accepted in one culture
but is a trigger in another culture
hope you like people cutting in front of you in line - you gonna have a fist fight each time this happens?
what will you do when you see your neighbors dumping their garbage on your lawn, ya gonna fight them to?
when pedestrians run right out 20 feet in front of you without looking, you gonna run em over?
and on and on and on.....

no, you are not


You are going to mellow the hell out
and not act so god damned insecure
because to be quite honest with you Billy,
if you're livin large in Russia
ya got better things to be doin than fightin with pretty much every single person you meet there
when you go to Russia
leave insecurity at home
and bring a metal detector or something useful like that instead
Title: Re: My wife is amazing...
Post by: msmob on September 12, 2018, 03:25:19 PM
You are going to mellow the hell out


Hmm

You live in Ukraine ?

VVP's popularity has nose-dived - mainly over the pensions age being raised

He's spent public money he didn't have on vanity projects

A combination of his economic mis-management, away games in third states and corruption and nepotism at upper echelons is coming home to roost. 

The last elections were a farce ...  A ticking time bomb of discontent will need to be appeased 
Title: Re: My wife is amazing...
Post by: GQBlues on September 12, 2018, 03:33:25 PM
Pretty clever, Arti, if that post was intentional. LMAO!
Title: Re: My wife is amazing...
Post by: DaveNY on September 12, 2018, 03:36:17 PM
Hmm

You live in Ukraine ?

VVP's popularity has nose-dived - mainly over the pensions age being raised

He's spent public money he didn't have on vanity projects

A combination of his economic mis-management, away games in third states and corruption and nepotism at upper echelons is coming home to roost. 

The last elections were a farce ...  A ticking time bomb of discontent will need to be appeased

VVP's popularity is not relevant. Putin is a lame duck. Next election is 2024 and he is constitutionally barred from running. Which means he'll have to sit out until 2030 unless he wants to do a term as PM.

If Putin were eligible to run his team knows which ballot boxes need stuffing to get the required vote count to win.
Title: Re: My wife is amazing...
Post by: BillyB on September 12, 2018, 04:05:00 PM

Deccie, in another thread, posted he met the rich guy who was chasing his wife and everything is cool now.
Title: Re: My wife is amazing...
Post by: DaveNY on September 12, 2018, 06:40:14 PM
Deccie, in another thread, posted he met the rich guy who was chasing his wife and everything is cool now.

Good news. Glad to hear it.
Title: Re: My wife is amazing...
Post by: ML on September 12, 2018, 07:20:26 PM
Deccie, in another thread, posted he met the rich guy who was chasing his wife and everything is cool now.

What thread is that ?
Title: Re: My wife is amazing...
Post by: Hammer2722 on September 12, 2018, 08:10:19 PM
What thread is that ?


I do remember Deccie saying this.
Title: Re: My wife is amazing...
Post by: msmob on September 12, 2018, 09:57:37 PM
VVP's popularity is not relevant.

 :ROFL:  EVERY leader likes and even needs to be popular ...   


Putin is a lame duck.

He is ? ... He's only about a 10th into this term ?... Do you you see him resigning ?;)


Next election is 2024 and he is constitutionally barred from running. Which means he'll have to sit out until 2030 unless he wants to do a term as PM.

He'll just change the constitution or a 'replacement' will serve in name only with the 'Prime Minister' being 'the man' ..

Weren't you paying attention when Medvedev was 'leader' ?



Title: Re: My wife is amazing...
Post by: BillyB on September 12, 2018, 10:26:07 PM
Good news. Glad to hear it.

Unfortunately the other thread he talked about situations in his life worse than what happened in this thread. In this thread I didn't recommend him to disrupt his and his family's life by running away. Based on what's going on his life now, I recommend him and his family leaving Russia forever.

What thread is that ?

It's the thread where he said he's got serious financial issues. It's one of the last posts he made in the thread.
Title: Re: My wife is amazing...
Post by: DaveNY on September 12, 2018, 11:00:51 PM
:ROFL:  EVERY leader likes and even needs to be popular ...   

Putin doesn't care if the people approve of a project he wants carried out. If Putin wants the project done he'll get it done whether or
not the Russian people want it done.


He'll just change the constitution or a 'replacement' will serve in name only with the 'Prime Minister' being 'the man' ..

Weren't you paying attention when Medvedev was 'leader' ?

Putin will be 72 in 2024 so there's always the chance he might not do a term as PM. Maybe take 6 years off and relax and then run in 2030?
Title: Re: My wife is amazing...
Post by: MarinaSirena on September 13, 2018, 01:21:04 AM
 :o :o :o
Putin, oligarches, mafia....
OMG :o

Does this rich powerful guy exist ?
Every princess needs a Dragon to let the prince being a brave hero
Every man wants to feel himself @superman@ and @one and only@

There are lot of crimes, mafia, corruption in Russia.
But in 99,99 % even super-puper oligarch can not just take woman or buy woman. If she doesnt want of course.
90 is finished


Title: Re: My wife is amazing...
Post by: msmob on September 13, 2018, 05:25:05 AM

90 is finished

Yes, and now the 'mafia' is the govt and officials are corrupt from the top down ((

DaveNY, you've not BEEN there and lived there recently ...   

Example:  You are working in your office and a couple of Police enter without warning - stating they have come to inspect the computers for 'pirate software' ...

'Fine' says upstanding RU citizen and businessman - and you've a warrant ?

'No', says Policeman.. We'll come back with one ...

Two hours later, they're back with a warrant and there's four 'Policemen' and an order to stand back from the computers ..

The Computers are a combination of Windows, Linux and BeOS - some of which floors the 'Police' as their flash sticks and bootable DVDs / CDs cannot cope.

They 'claim' to find unlicensed MS Office and 1S accounting software on the Windows PCs ...having given up on the BeOS ones ..

'There is no unlicensed software on any of our computers' , says upstanding and previously patriotic owner ..

'We will confiscate the computers as evidence', unless you pay us - you'll be convicted on a criminal charge of copyright theft ' says one Policeman who finds the owner won't play the game

The computers are taken and a receipt is given....

There ensures a series of Court hearings and the owners is able to prove that as a dealer for the software he has loaded - they are programmers - they are allowed said software. The computers are returned

During the time before the trial the owner was unable to leave his region and had his intl passport removed

Turns out the Police gang are moving from town to town within the region and when all clients were warned - they'd already HAD a visit ...








Title: Re: My wife is amazing...
Post by: rwd123 on September 13, 2018, 05:50:15 AM
Yes, and now the 'mafia' is the govt and officials are corrupt from the top down ((

DaveNY, you've not BEEN there and lived there recently ...   

Example:  You are working in your office and a couple of Police enter without warning - stating they have come to inspect the computers for 'pirate software' ...

'Fine' says upstanding RU citizen and businessman - and you've a warrant ?

'No', says Policeman.. We'll come back with one ...

Two hours later, they're back with a warrant and there's four 'Policemen' and an order to stand back from the computers ..

The Computers are a combination of Windows, Linux and BeOS - some of which floors the 'Police' as their flash sticks and bootable DVDs / CDs cannot cope.

They 'claim' to find unlicensed MS Office and 1S accounting software on the Windows PCs ...having given up on the BeOS ones ..

'There is no unlicensed software on any of our computers' , says upstanding and previously patriotic owner ..

'We will confiscate the computers as evidence', unless you pay us - you'll be convicted on a criminal charge of copyright theft ' says one Policeman who finds the owner won't play the game

The computers are taken and a receipt is given....

There ensures a series of Court hearings and the owners is able to prove that as a dealer for the software he has loaded - they are programmers - they are allowed said software. The computers are returned

During the time before the trial the owner was unable to leave his region and had his intl passport removed

Turns out the Police gang are moving from town to town within the region and when all clients were warned - they'd already HAD a visit ...
Where was their Krisha?
Title: Re: My wife is amazing...
Post by: msmob on September 13, 2018, 05:54:41 AM
...The Roofs were all eradicated and now the state 'protects' you ..

Title: Re: My wife is amazing...
Post by: MarinaSirena on September 13, 2018, 06:05:09 AM
although I think this topic is about different....

yes, msmob
Things in any business still works the way you discribed))) 8)

rwd123
krysha) i really enjoy all your messages)) :-* :D :D :D

p.s. it seams the time to re-watch Brigada :D :D :D
Title: Re: My wife is amazing...
Post by: rwd123 on September 13, 2018, 06:41:04 AM
krysha) i really enjoy all your messages)) :-* :D :D :D
It helps to be erudite and perspicacious! (don't ask for a transliteration)

If you know what that means without consulting a dictionary then you are definitely descendent from American troops who occupied Siberia a century ago.
Title: Re: My wife is amazing...
Post by: DaveNY on September 13, 2018, 08:59:47 AM
Yes, and now the 'mafia' is the govt and officials are corrupt from the top down ((

DaveNY, you've not BEEN there and lived there recently ...   

Example:  You are working in your office and a couple of Police enter without warning - stating they have come to inspect the computers for 'pirate software' ...

'Fine' says upstanding RU citizen and businessman - and you've a warrant ?

'No', says Policeman.. We'll come back with one ...

Two hours later, they're back with a warrant and there's four 'Policemen' and an order to stand back from the computers ..

The Computers are a combination of Windows, Linux and BeOS - some of which floors the 'Police' as their flash sticks and bootable DVDs / CDs cannot cope.

They 'claim' to find unlicensed MS Office and 1S accounting software on the Windows PCs ...having given up on the BeOS ones ..

'There is no unlicensed software on any of our computers' , says upstanding and previously patriotic owner ..

'We will confiscate the computers as evidence', unless you pay us - you'll be convicted on a criminal charge of copyright theft ' says one Policeman who finds the owner won't play the game

The computers are taken and a receipt is given....

There ensures a series of Court hearings and the owners is able to prove that as a dealer for the software he has loaded - they are programmers - they are allowed said software. The computers are returned

During the time before the trial the owner was unable to leave his region and had his intl passport removed

Turns out the Police gang are moving from town to town within the region and when all clients were warned - they'd already HAD a visit ...

This type of scam went on when I lived in Moscow. I had a run in with a Moscow cop trying to solicit a bribe. 

A few months after I moved to Moscow my wife and I were meeting another couple at a restaurant for dinner. We stopped at a store and my wife went in to buy something while I waited outside.

A young guy in a uniform came up to me and asked me in Russian for my ID. I said English only. He asked in broken English if I was American. I said yes. Every English speaking foreigner in Russia is American to the locals even if they're not. Then he said passport. Of course I didn't have my passport on me and didn't want to go back home to get it.

Then my wife returned. Bad news for the cop. She asked what was going on. I said he wants my passport. She said he wants a bribe. The cop says in very broken English he doesn't want a bribe, just to see my passport. Then my wife starts in with rapid fire Russian. Far too fast for me to understand.

Here's the scenario. I'm 6'8". My wife in heels is about 6'5". She's berating a skinny, 5'5", about 25 year old Moscow cop. After about 30 seconds of my wife's rapid fire questioning of the cop I'm beginning to feel sorry for him. My wife won't let him get a word in. It really must have looked like she was scolding a child.

Finally, after a minute or two of lecturing the cop my wife says in English we're going to the police station down the block to report him for soliciting a bribe. The cop, in mixture of English and Russian, is apologizing for the interruption and says there's no need to go to the police station. Then he slowly backs away and leaves.

At dinner we talked about the incident. The other couple agreed that the cop was trying to solicit a bribe when he found out I was an American. A not uncommon occurrence at the time. They said even locals get hit up for bribes to quash some imagined violation of the law.

Some locals pay others fight back. The husband says the incident probably would have ended differently if the cop had have been older and more experienced at soliciting bribes. If there had have been a couple of experienced cops it's possible we might have been arrested on some trumped up charge.     
Title: Re: My wife is amazing...
Post by: msmob on September 13, 2018, 09:54:25 AM
Your incident is quite rare these days and the Police do not want to be bothered with tourists as there is no leverage - as your wife, knew.....  It's quite in order for a Policeman to ask for ID and I carry a photocopy of my passport and immigration slip PLUS the another passport that doesn't have the visa... 

It's FAR more sinister for locals as they know it is now just as bad an offence to pay a bribe as for the policeman to ask

I have been stopped when driving RU cars a few times and was once told my licence was suspended .. I just laughed and handed over my UK one and said I'd order a new one tomorrow.....   it quickly becomes clear that no gain is to be had ...  When driving my British car in Russia , I went through loads of road checks, but when they saw my non local plates I was ALWAYS waved on

If you can survive and not encounter 'the system' - life is good



Title: Re: My wife is amazing...
Post by: DaveNY on September 13, 2018, 01:44:05 PM
Your incident is quite rare these days and the Police do not want to be bothered with tourists as there is no leverage - as your wife, knew.....  It's quite in order for a Policeman to ask for ID and I carry a photocopy of my passport and immigration slip PLUS the another passport that doesn't have the visa... 

It's FAR more sinister for locals as they know it is now just as bad an offence to pay a bribe as for the policeman to ask

I have been stopped when driving RU cars a few times and was once told my licence was suspended .. I just laughed and handed over my UK one and said I'd order a new one tomorrow.....   it quickly becomes clear that no gain is to be had ...  When driving my British car in Russia , I went through loads of road checks, but when they saw my non local plates I was ALWAYS waved on

If you can survive and not encounter 'the system' - life is good

This incident happened in 2000. Back then the recession was winding down and the economy was improving however the local cops, even in Moscow, were badly paid. Bribes were a matter of survival for many government officials, at least at the lower levels.

Today in Moscow it's not uncommon for locals to tell a cop to get lost if he tries to solicit a bribe. Although I'm told businesses are still shut down for the flimsiest of reasons when a bribe of a few thousand rubles could keep the business open. There are special units such as the Omon that are a different matter. Omon are federal and don't take sh*t from the locals or foreigners.

I've been out with friends in Moscow and seen a truck load of Omon getting out of a truck and we just turn around and head in the opposite direction. Omon don't care who they harass or beat up, locals or foreigners it's all the same to them.
Title: Re: My wife is amazing...
Post by: msmob on September 13, 2018, 01:51:49 PM
The trick is to stay away from lots of Russians demonstrating they don't like the govt for some reason  ..
Title: Re: My wife is amazing...
Post by: DaveNY on September 13, 2018, 02:11:03 PM
The trick is to stay away from lots of Russians demonstrating they don't like the govt for some reason  ..

That's definitely true. In NYC, everyone takes out their phones and starts videoing any police action. Don't do that in Russia if you want to keep your phone and health. Both could end up broken.