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Re: Elena’s Models 2 Weeks Report
« Reply #25 on: December 15, 2015, 11:54:30 AM »
Bill,

We all thought you were learning your 450 words so you could talk to the midget porn girls from Russia.......
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« Reply #26 on: December 15, 2015, 11:56:13 AM »
Trenchcoat -

You are way over thinking this.  Go to Lucky Lovers and Elena's and pay the subscription fee.  Find a bunch of gals you like and give them the benefit of the doubt that they are not scammers.

This is good advice. The best way to get dumped that I know of is accusing a good girl
of being a scammer. Most girls aren't scammers and you will destroy a potential relationship
very quickly by setting up tests for girls and other stupid things.

Scammers give themselves away very quickly. Scamming is a numbers game. They need
to write hundreds of men to find just a few to scam. They find it difficult to answer questions in letters and certainly don't want to talk on the phone or Skype. Hairy Boris only wants
to tell you about making a comfy home and tasty meals, and to send you sexy photos,
he won't want you to hear his voice. He doesn't have time you are one of hundreds,
he just wants your money. A scammer will ignore your questions or make excuses.

A good girl will want to talk to you on the phone and see what you look like on Skype.
She might be shy about her English but she wants to see you and hear what you
sound like. A good girl will figure out a way to talk to you, a sketchy girl will make
excuses. If a girl starts with the excuses then dump her.

 
NOTE: NOT recommend it for newbies, this can get you keeeled!!!

I have teased and joked with girls about everything, it's part of my personality and
part of the reason that girls like me. After I get to know a girl I will tell jokes and stories
and tease them. The girl in Dnepropetrovsk would laugh until she snorted loudly when
I would pretend that she might have poisoned my soup or that I would send her
back home the first time my dinner was cold.

I had found some photos of seismic measuring devices that all fit in a case for
traveling, I think it was for the oil industry. I sent the photo to a girl who I was
talking to by email asking her the best method to send it to her city before a trip.

She asked what the equipment was and what I needed it for. So I told her that it was
special popka measuring equipment that I needed to determine if hers was the right
size. She laughed and couldn't speak for at least two minutes.

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Re: Elena’s Models 2 Weeks Report
« Reply #27 on: December 15, 2015, 11:59:44 AM »
Bill,

We all thought you were learning your 450 words so you could talk to the midget porn girls from Russia.......

You got me mixed up, I was the guy learning the words to talk to the Russian girls from
the golden shower feet fetish site.

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Re: Elena’s Models 2 Weeks Report
« Reply #28 on: December 15, 2015, 12:44:03 PM »
Just one word, Da, will get you a long ways with the FSU gals.
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Re: Elena’s Models 2 Weeks Report
« Reply #29 on: December 15, 2015, 01:15:23 PM »


Listen to me closely, NEVER, never, ever, ever join an agency that is a pay by the letter or a pay by the communication. Never pay to Skype with a woman, never pay for her personal contact information and stay far away from any agency that desires to stay squarely between you and the woman for any length of time, ANY length of time. You'll want an agency like Elena's that has open communication directly with the women.


For sure, but isn't a monthly subscription just another way of collecting money similar to credits? I mean I've been to the Elena site and a lot if not most of the women on there look like models - or at the very least got professional photographers on the job dressed up and the rest. Maybe not as much as some of the websites but still a lot of swim suit shots, classy dress poses and I guess very much posed professionally thought out. Makes me wonder if they have just had there profiles stuck up there to get people to sign up for the quarter/half yearly fee. Looked at Lucky lovers site also, profiles perhaps look more everyday, but less glamorous then Elena's model site so perhaps less eye candy though even still. Does Elena's models really have that many legit girls do you think?   
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Re: Elena’s Models 2 Weeks Report
« Reply #30 on: December 15, 2015, 01:36:54 PM »
For sure, but isn't a monthly subscription just another way of collecting money similar to credits?

Not even close to similar.

With monthly pay, it is ONE fixed amount.

For that payment, you have unlimited contact with EVERY person on the website.

What's so hard to understand about that ???
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Re: Elena’s Models 2 Weeks Report
« Reply #31 on: December 15, 2015, 01:56:36 PM »
Not even close to similar.

With monthly pay, it is ONE fixed amount.

For that payment, you have unlimited contact with EVERY person on the website.

What's so hard to understand about that ???

Well take Elena's models, its $129 for 3 months minimum, so I guess about £90 UK money. Then its more money for the subscription level up which is $259 for 3 months minimum. Seeing that you only get her contact details and skype at platinum level its likely to be this to get anywhere, unless you can arrange to skype/contact details without the agency getting in the way. Now the money in itself is not my greatest concern, more the likelyhood of a load of fake or day job profiles put on there to lure guys in for the quarterly/half yearly subscriptions. i.e because credits cost less but mount up as the women gets men on the hook whereas quarterly fee men still need to be got on the hook to keep getting the subscription rate in.

Lucky lovers seem to do a cheaper monthly subscription but there site seems a lot less active/on there - perhaps as its global, more genuine/realistic? remains to be seen, but in a way less visually enticing initially.   
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Re: Elena’s Models 2 Weeks Report
« Reply #32 on: December 15, 2015, 02:01:23 PM »
I probably know 450 words and I know guys who are nearly fluent. I wouldn't
discourage a guy learning some Russian if for no other reason than it will keep
them busy and off the naughty midget porn sites.

450 words would make you well above average Bill. Actually my 150 probably made me well above average too. I haven't discouraged the chap from anything. I said in all likelihood and, I believe that to be true. I myself as an example set out to learn the language. I had no doubts that I would and I didn't, I failed. It's a damn hard and confusing language.

Hey, if he wants to learn the language he has my blessing but I am all about letting a fellow know what he's in for, knowwhaddameen? 

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Re: Elena’s Models 2 Weeks Report
« Reply #33 on: December 15, 2015, 02:20:32 PM »
For sure, but isn't a monthly subscription just another way of collecting money similar to credits? I mean I've been to the Elena site and a lot if not most of the women on there look like models - or at the very least got professional photographers on the job dressed up and the rest. Maybe not as much as some of the websites but still a lot of swim suit shots, classy dress poses and I guess very much posed professionally thought out. Makes me wonder if they have just had there profiles stuck up there to get people to sign up for the quarter/half yearly fee. Looked at Lucky lovers site also, profiles perhaps look more everyday, but less glamorous then Elena's model site so perhaps less eye candy though even still. Does Elena's models really have that many legit girls do you think?   

No it isn't. Most of them anyway. They operate on a completely different model. You can spend 2-300 for a subscription to one of these sites or, you can go to a PPL site and spend 2-300 in one night of email writing. You can conceivably sign up for a 6 month subscription and meet the woman of your dreams that day. If you did would you think you were screwed out of your money?

You are going to have expense in this endeavor. If that pains you so greatly forget it and stay home. There is nothing cheap about a relationship FSUW. Trust me when I say a couple hundred bucks for Elena's is a mere drop in the bucket.

That said, there are ways to utilize and maximize your expenses but, they are still expenses.


Well take Elena's models, its $129 for 3 months minimum, so I guess about £90 UK money. Then its more money for the subscription level up which is $259 for 3 months minimum. Seeing that you only get her contact details and skype at platinum level its likely to be this to get anywhere, unless you can arrange to skype/contact details without the agency getting in the way. Now the money in itself is not my greatest concern, more the likelyhood of a load of fake or day job profiles put on there to lure guys in for the quarterly/half yearly subscriptions. i.e because credits cost less but mount up as the women gets men on the hook whereas quarterly fee men still need to be got on the hook to keep getting the subscription rate in.

Lucky lovers seem to do a cheaper monthly subscription but there site seems a lot less active/on there - perhaps as its global, more genuine/realistic? remains to be seen, but in a way less visually enticing initially.   

Elena's is a good site. I met my wife on that site as did many others here to. There are other good sites. You can met honest women on bad sites. Just because the site is bad doesn't necessarily mean the woman is. Everywhere you turn and more specifically every where you fork out cash it is "buyer beware" which is why you need to read copious amounts here and ask questions. Doing so will save you not only expense but likely some heartache as well.

Quit worrying about fake profiles or scammers. Those are not what you are looking for. Reminder: you are looking for a nice, sincere, quality good looking woman.

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Re: Elena’s Models 2 Weeks Report
« Reply #34 on: December 15, 2015, 04:02:13 PM »
Well take Elena's models, its $129 for 3 months minimum, so I guess about £90 UK money. Then its more money for the subscription level up which is $259 for 3 months minimum. Seeing that you only get her contact details and skype at platinum level its likely to be this to get anywhere, unless you can arrange to skype/contact details without the agency getting in the way. Now the money in itself is not my greatest concern, more the likelyhood of a load of fake or day job profiles put on there to lure guys in for the quarterly/half yearly subscriptions. i.e because credits cost less but mount up as the women gets men on the hook whereas quarterly fee men still need to be got on the hook to keep getting the subscription rate in.

Lucky lovers seem to do a cheaper monthly subscription but there site seems a lot less active/on there - perhaps as its global, more genuine/realistic? remains to be seen, but in a way less visually enticing initially.

I've used all the various kinds of methods. I've written thousands and thousands and
thousands of girls all over the world and I've spent a zillion dollars on this. After a lot
of analysis my theory distilled to it's essence is

1. You find the girl where you find her.
2. You won't find her if you don't go looking for her.
3. You got to make your own way in this world.

I have other theories but that is all you get for today.

Here is what I advise you to do.
1. Research: read these threads/links
A. http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=14615.0
B. Download and read this free ebook
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?action=ezportal;sa=page;p=47
C. Read all the trip reports, you can find mine here http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=3432.0

2. Decide if you are a visit one or a visit many guy. If you've followed the links
then one of them should appeal to you over the other. If you haven't follow the
links then don't ask any more questions (for me at least) until you have. 

3. Go do it, quit analyzing and go f#ck the prom queen. I've always figured
that she's gonna f#ck somebody, why not me?  Now I'm married, so it might
as well be you!

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Re: Elena’s Models 2 Weeks Report
« Reply #35 on: December 15, 2015, 08:26:46 PM »
I've used all the various kinds of methods. I've written thousands and thousands and
thousands of girls all over the world and I've spent a zillion dollars on this. After a lot
of analysis my theory distilled to it's essence is

1. You find the girl where you find her.
2. You won't find her if you don't go looking for her.
3. You got to make your own way in this world.

I have other theories but that is all you get for today.

Here is what I advise you to do.
1. Research: read these threads/links
A. http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=14615.0
B. Download and read this free ebook
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?action=ezportal;sa=page;p=47
C. Read all the trip reports, you can find mine here http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=3432.0

2. Decide if you are a visit one or a visit many guy. If you've followed the links
then one of them should appeal to you over the other. If you haven't follow the
links then don't ask any more questions (for me at least) until you have. 

3. Go do it, quit analyzing and go f#ck the prom queen. I've always figured
that she's gonna f#ck somebody, why not me?  Now I'm married, so it might
as well be you!

Udachi!

Bill


Ok, so I've read A & B, with C to be honest with you I just read the first 5 pages since it is 37 pages long, but get the impression it all really happened in the first 5 pages, i.e you went to St. Petersburg to meet one girl, b*tch of a time getting there with Aeroflot, met girl but subsequently fell out with girl, then went to agency to hook you up with more, but ultimately nothing came of these including the one that was already married. Also, you note down the numerous other times you were scammed in other Russian cities which is part of my reason for cautious approach.

To answer you're above question I guess considering my involvement before suggests a visit one rather than many approach - but of course article A indicates the folly of doing so, maybe you're article also. Article B tells us that many can be fine but be cautious if other girl happens to see you out and about with another girl, unlikely but no doubt happens.

What most interests me of you're experience is that you used a credit per message agency - is now at least anyway http://www.love-formula.com/ which is what many on here seem to think not a good idea. How do you feel about using this agency now with hindsight? They seemed helpful in turning up the women quickly, did it cost much for this service? Do you think it was legit? I guess to some extent the volume of girls that you turned up and walk in approach to agencies to turn up women was what I was initially after. For sure I can see how the credit thing can add up and provide further motivation for scams but I'm not sure if I am the sort of guy that would write hundreds of Emails anyway, even if copy and pasting as article A suggests. In any case, ultimately did it work for you, are you now married to a FSU woman?
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Re: Elena’s Models 2 Weeks Report
« Reply #36 on: December 16, 2015, 12:03:04 PM »

Ok, so I've read A & B, with C to be honest with you I just read the first 5 pages since it is 37 pages long, but get the impression it all really happened in the first 5 pages, i.e you went to St. Petersburg to meet one girl, b*tch of a time getting there with Aeroflot, met girl but subsequently fell out with girl, then went to agency to hook you up with more, but ultimately nothing came of these including the one that was already married. Also, you note down the numerous other times you were scammed in other Russian cities which is part of my reason for cautious approach.

The trip report details 10 different trips to the FSU and the various trials and
tribulations and highs and lows over a period of nine years where I eventually
find the love of my life and convince her to marry me. You can probably skip
all the brouhaha with Anti-Hdate and not lose any of the flavor of the trip report.

Only one girl tried to scam me, it was fairly elaborate and it was in Odessa not
Russia.

The reason I recommend reading the various trip reports is so that you can understand
what goes on and what to expect both good and bad.
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« Reply #37 on: December 16, 2015, 12:27:46 PM »

What most interests me of you're experience is that you used a credit per message agency - is now at least anyway http://www.love-formula.com/ which is what many on here seem to think not a good idea. How do you feel about using this agency now with hindsight? They seemed helpful in turning up the women quickly, did it cost much for this service? Do you think it was legit? I guess to some extent the volume of girls that you turned up and walk in approach to agencies to turn up women was what I was initially after. For sure I can see how the credit thing can add up and provide further motivation for scams but I'm not sure if I am the sort of guy that would write hundreds of Emails anyway, even if copy and pasting as article A suggests. In any case, ultimately did it work for you, are you now married to a FSU woman?

I would avoid the pay by the letter and pay to chat agencies. Look at either the sites
listed on the link that I provided. You can find a good girl at a pay per view by
the letter site but you can also be writing to a translator or a girl who isn't serious. We
have unanimously said "don't do that" but you are still asking, should I do that?

Go do what you want to do. It's only time and money and you've gotta get it out of your
system it seems. I did it. I dated girls too young for me, I dated a stripper back when I
was first divorced, I don't recommend that either.

I spent a lot of time examining what I did wrong and how I could have done it better
and if I knew what I know now ................. but I made the journey that I made, I
made the mistakes that I made and you can decide whether you want to make the
same mistakes that I did or not.

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FSUW don't do vague
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If you find a promising girl, get your butt on a plane.
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Kiss the girl, don't ask her first.

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Re: Elena’s Models 2 Weeks Report
« Reply #38 on: December 16, 2015, 01:42:55 PM »
The trip report details 10 different trips to the FSU and the various trials and
tribulations and highs and lows over a period of nine years where I eventually
find the love of my life and convince her to marry me. You can probably skip
all the brouhaha with Anti-Hdate and not lose any of the flavor of the trip report.

Only one girl tried to scam me, it was fairly elaborate and it was in Odessa not
Russia.

The reason I recommend reading the various trip reports is so that you can understand
what goes on and what to expect both good and bad.

For sure, its handy what to avoid - flight & hotel deals from the UK are quite decent these days, probably thinking of using Ebooker flying KLM changing at Amsterdam for St.Petersburg when I go with hotel deal all in. Still know that travelling back in 2007 was not quite as electronically automated as it is today. I can take the unexpected and the slightly dodgy stuff that can crop up I know life can be unpredictable so no guareentees. Would be handy to shave a few years of the nine years though myself speaking :)

The credits comment was just out of interest really, I'm not going to do that this time, did it last time and although it was a cheaper credit cost site and the photo's were not real pro model type it still mounts up a bit and that was just with one girl plus the cost of a skype session. So, yeah thinking of Elena's models for trying to line up a few before I go, its a little pricier and some of the overly model type pics makes me suspicious (I know they say some get it done professionally, but still). Only concern with the lucky lovers site is perhaps it strays into the international general dating site and is perhaps not as well done on the user interface so on balance perhaps would rather pay a bit more. For me thinking of the three month platinum membership $259 or £172 approx so get access to their Emails addresses to continue with them after it runs out. So thinking three months should be enough time to line them up before doing a trip.

Just out of interest, how did you finally meet you're FSU wife? I don't think it says in the trip report - just that it didn't work out with the ones you met. Saw it kind of skipped from 2007-2015 so bit of a gap in between. 
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« Reply #39 on: December 16, 2015, 02:56:24 PM »
Just out of interest, how did you finally meet you're FSU wife? I don't think it says in the trip report - just that it didn't work out with the ones you met. Saw it kind of skipped from 2007-2015 so bit of a gap in between.

I wrote the 2007 report about my journey to St Pete which was my 5th trip.
I didn't decide to put everything here in one place until 2015, but I had been
making trips all along. I just didn't collect all the information and put it in one
place until 2015.

My first trip was to Odessa, my second and third trips were to Kiev. Then I went
to Lugansk, then to St Pete which is were the trip report started. After St Pete I
went to Dnepropetrovsk and nearly got married to that girl. Then off to Tblisi Georgia.
From there I met a girl from Kiev who visited me in Oregon. I then joined Elena's
models to meet a girl in Voronezh. The girl was very hot but she wasn't ever going
to be Mrs 2tallbill so I went on Mamba.ru and Vk.com and started dating other girls.
I saw a girl with very pretty eyes and asked her to meet me for tea.

It was Angel Eyes, and my life has never been the same. I visited her in Voronezh
4 times, then she came to the US to visit me twice and I married her before she could
change her mind.

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Re: Elena’s Models 2 Weeks Report
« Reply #40 on: December 16, 2015, 04:33:17 PM »
I wrote the 2007 report about my journey to St Pete which was my 5th trip.
I didn't decide to put everything here in one place until 2015, but I had been
making trips all along. I just didn't collect all the information and put it in one
place until 2015.

My first trip was to Odessa, my second and third trips were to Kiev. Then I went
to Lugansk, then to St Pete which is were the trip report started. After St Pete I
went to Dnepropetrovsk and nearly got married to that girl. Then off to Tblisi Georgia.
From there I met a girl from Kiev who visited me in Oregon. I then joined Elena's
models to meet a girl in Voronezh. The girl was very hot but she wasn't ever going
to be Mrs 2tallbill so I went on Mamba.ru and Vk.com and started dating other girls.
I saw a girl with very pretty eyes and asked her to meet me for tea.

It was Angel Eyes, and my life has never been the same. I visited her in Voronezh
4 times, then she came to the US to visit me twice and I married her before she could
change her mind.

Wow, great you got there in the end, guessing it cost you a small fortune though going on all those trips to Russia and back over the years. Much appreciate the advice though, I'll get involved and see how it goes and hope for a good outcome. They say there are many women that are serious about a relationship/marriage to a WM, that they can have a difficult relationship situation with FSU men, if so that is a damn sight of an improvement to the UK where women don't seem motivated much at all on the relationship front just expecting it to all fall into their lap, if they are even interested. Went to France recently (despite my poor French) and the women there seemed a lot more warmer and friendlier than British girls, more feminine as well. So, if I can find a motivated Russian girl that I connect with it would be a good place to be I think.
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Re: Elena’s Models 2 Weeks Report
« Reply #41 on: December 17, 2015, 02:04:55 PM »
Elena’s Models 2 Weeks Report

Following some readings I did on this forum, a personal review of different FSU women dating sites and suggestions from Jone, I decided to purchase 3 months Gold membership to Elena’s Model. Even though I’m light years away from the knowledge of certain Hero Members here, I thought I’d share my experience to help future members of the forum to start their journey in the world of Former Soviet Union Women.

A few facts about me:
-   I’m 43 but apparently look early 30s --thanks to genetics I guess
-   I have kids in shared custody
-   I don’t speak/read Russian
-   I have never been to Russia/Ukraine
-   I know (or knew) very little about their culture
-   I learned about the FSUW about 2 months ago because an agency opened in Montreal and got lots of news coverage
-   I was about to signup with the agency and stumbled here through a Google search
-   Most of what I learned about FSUW (other than they are very beautiful), I learned from here browsing and reading through forum posts.

Elena’s is no POF.
I’ve been on Match, POF, Tinder and one thing that struck me from the get go is how many requests (better known as EOIs) I was receiving each day on Elena’s even though I use the same set of pictures as I used on the homeland dating sites. I had many dates from Match and POF but it’s a lot of work to stand out from the crowd. On Elena’s, I got EOIs from women ranging between 22 up to 46 y-o. So I got hooked quickly, good thing I was on vacation these last 2 weeks.

Through all the EOI’s I responded positively and the ones I sent and got a Yes, I initiated conversation with 10 women that I identified based on a these criteria:

-   Age range between 32-42
-   Has children (if has children = no then Age greater or equal 40)
-   Profile description must capture me and be longer than one sentence

Some conversations lasted 1 message, others 2, sometimes the language barrier is so difficult that you can barely hold a conversation. I had the pleasant surprise to get 2 long messages in Russian and man… Google Translate does an amazing job! It’s surprising.

Out of the 10 initial conversations, I am now down to 2 and this is where it gets interesting. For some reason, Russia seems to be my Friend. The two women I correspond with now are from the Moscow area and correspond easily in English. In our messages I find that it’s really important to ask them about their life in Russia, their kids, family, they are very proud of their country’s history and themselves as women who (in my age range) went through the USSR to Russia transition. They will ask you very subtle and direct questions to figure out if your values correspond to their strong family values. They know what they want and if you make a faux pas or try to be or act as someone you are not, they’ll figure it out.

After 3-4 days of correspondence on Elena’s I wanted to leave the messaging context of Elena’s so we went to personal email and I’m even already friend on Facebook with one of them. The one I’m FB friend with, we’ve started using Messenger yesterday and oh my God, this has taken our connection to a whole new level. In my quest to making sure I’m not talking to a dude, we talked about her work so she sent me some photos of her work and I was able to find her Google+ page where her portfolio is and I was able to correlate pictures from her portfolio to a bakeries’ website in Moscow. Also her FB profile has tons of photos, I probably saw hundred+ photos of her so I feel confident I’m talking to the right person. And it’s crazy how we connect and think alike on so many things; I don’t know this feels very different, refreshing, fun and exciting at the same time. The other woman, she has a verified profile at Elena’s (had to send a copy of her passport), very different in our emails. She seems very romantic and talks a lot about the life she’s dreaming of. She tells me a lot about Crimea, her family, Russian authors, history, it’s very interesting.

I don’t want to turn this into a who’s going to be voted off the island contest but on the flip side, this is no Tinder’s girl next door. I will keep corresponding with both for a week or two and then I will have to concentrate on one. I have decided to stay away from Elena’s for a little while because I simply don’t want them to see that I go to the site while we are having those very intense conversations.

For newbies, my 2 weeks experience can be resumed by:
-   Give Elena’s a try, I think it’s worth it
-   Be authentic and speak from the heart
-   If in business we say location, location, location, with FSU women it’s Family, Family, Family. You’ll figure it out quickly.
-   Show interests and ask questions about their culture, country and family
-   Be wise with the age gap even if you get requests from relatively young women
-   Do your homework, read forums here and pay attention to what some Hero members have to say.
-   Last but not the least, on Elena’s specifically, manage your 50 contacts limit wisely. Don’t go nuts emailing every girl who sent you an EOI.

Thanks for reading.

Bizpat, I notice you're OP was a few months back now, how did it work out for with the two girls you were communicating with? Have you made or are making plans to go to Russia?
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Re: Elena’s Models 2 Weeks Report
« Reply #42 on: December 17, 2015, 05:57:17 PM »
Does Elena's models really have that many legit girls do you think?   

As a FSU woman, I attempted to become a Elena's Models' woman two times, once when I was still back in Russia, and another time about a year ago when I was already a Canadian. Both times the agency made an attempt to call me in person in order to talk to me and to make sure that I am what I say I am. In the most recent case, they also offered a few options for me to personally connect with EM's personnel so that they could confirm my identity, contacts and address. They made it clear to me that before they do those checks, my profile will not go public on EM. Ultimately, I decided not to talk to the agency, which resulted in my absence on the EM website  :)

Therefore, if by the legit women you mean verified women, I can tell yes, the EM does verify them. To me it looks like they verify everyone.
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Re: Elena’s Models 2 Weeks Report
« Reply #43 on: December 17, 2015, 06:18:34 PM »
To me it looks like they verify everyone.
Not men, though ;).
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Re: Elena’s Models 2 Weeks Report
« Reply #44 on: December 17, 2015, 06:21:24 PM »
As a FSU woman, I attempted to become a Elena's Models' woman two times, once when I was still back in Russia, and another time about a year ago when I was already a Canadian. Both times the agency made an attempt to call me in person in order to talk to me and to make sure that I am what I say I am. In the most recent case, they also offered a few options for me to personally connect with EM's personnel so that they could confirm my identity, contacts and address. They made it clear to me that before they do those checks, my profile will not go public on EM. Ultimately, I decided not to talk to the agency, which resulted in my absence on the EM website  :)

Therefore, if by the legit women you mean verified women, I can tell yes, the EM does verify them. To me it looks like they verify everyone.

Thank you Lily, that's very reassuring for you to know, I guess its kind of some of the photo's that concern me a little - some are very model poses and then there are the swimsuit shots and in some raunchy gear. For me while being a gut I obviously enjoy seeing such shots I kind of want a real girl - to see a real girl rather than a kind of Men's mag almost over stylized photos. I don't mind the some of quasi model photos but some seem almost over posed and I've never really been keen on the almost hooker like gear some seem to be wearing. Not saying they are all like that just something I've noticed which maybe jars a little with the family image they apparently are supposed to be known for. What do you think? Not say I don't appreciate some effort - better than dowdy t-shit and jeans stuff but just gets me thinking.
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Re: Elena’s Models 2 Weeks Report
« Reply #45 on: December 17, 2015, 07:31:08 PM »
As a FSU woman, I attempted to become a Elena's Models' woman two times, once when I was still back in Russia, and another time about a year ago when I was already a Canadian. Both times the agency made an attempt to call me in person in order to talk to me and to make sure that I am what I say I am. In the most recent case, they also offered a few options for me to personally connect with EM's personnel so that they could confirm my identity, contacts and address. They made it clear to me that before they do those checks, my profile will not go public on EM. Ultimately, I decided not to talk to the agency, which resulted in my absence on the EM website  :)

Therefore, if by the legit women you mean verified women, I can tell yes, the EM does verify them. To me it looks like they verify everyone.

yes they do....even the scammers are verified as being okay, as long as they are able to jump through the hoops.
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Re: Elena’s Models 2 Weeks Report
« Reply #46 on: December 17, 2015, 07:54:58 PM »
Thank you Lily, that's very reassuring for you to know, I guess its kind of some of the photo's that concern me a little - some are very model poses and then there are the swimsuit shots and in some raunchy gear. For me while being a gut I obviously enjoy seeing such shots I kind of want a real girl - to see a real girl rather than a kind of Men's mag almost over stylized photos. I don't mind the some of quasi model photos but some seem almost over posed and I've never really been keen on the almost hooker like gear some seem to be wearing. Not saying they are all like that just something I've noticed which maybe jars a little with the family image they apparently are supposed to be known for. What do you think? Not say I don't appreciate some effort - better than dowdy t-shit and jeans stuff but just gets me thinking.

Your thoughts sound a bit funny to me. Do you think that we women cannot do the model poses? :D

When we are on a dating site with a purpose to attract a man, we would definitely do our best in order to provide a feast for his eyes. Most of us know which poses, clothes, camera position, what kind of lightning will make us to look our best on a photo. At the end of day, for the first look, it is the photos that strike the man's interest. I cannot think of a woman who would make a dating profile without putting her utmost efforts to select the most attractive photos of her. Does that answer your question to some extent?

As the EM is concerned, they have a detailed guidance on their website for women on what photos to use. EM also encourages women to use the swimsuit shots.

Other than that, have you ever heard that some Russian men evaluate their real women by how close they look like models in the men's magazines?  ;D
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Re: Elena’s Models 2 Weeks Report
« Reply #47 on: December 17, 2015, 10:15:21 PM »
Thank you Lily, that's very reassuring for you to know, I guess its kind of some of the photo's that concern me a little - some are very model poses and then there are the swimsuit shots and in some raunchy gear. For me while being a gut I obviously enjoy seeing such shots I kind of want a real girl - to see a real girl rather than a kind of Men's mag almost over stylized photos. I don't mind the some of quasi model photos but some seem almost over posed and I've never really been keen on the almost hooker like gear some seem to be wearing. Not saying they are all like that just something I've noticed which maybe jars a little with the family image they apparently are supposed to be known for. What do you think? Not say I don't appreciate some effort - better than dowdy t-shit and jeans stuff but just gets me thinking.

Your comments reak of double standard fuddy duddy conservatism with no comprehension of how photos may be taken--or why.

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Your thoughts sound a bit funny to me. Do you think that we women cannot do the model poses? :D


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Re: Elena’s Models 2 Weeks Report
« Reply #48 on: December 17, 2015, 10:29:33 PM »
As a FSU woman, I attempted to become a Elena's Models' woman two times, once when I was still back in Russia, and another time about a year ago when I was already a Canadian. Both times the agency made an attempt to call me in person in order to talk to me and to make sure that I am what I say I am. In the most recent case, they also offered a few options for me to personally connect with EM's personnel so that they could confirm my identity, contacts and address. They made it clear to me that before they do those checks, my profile will not go public on EM.

Therefore, if by the legit women you mean verified women, I can tell yes, the EM does verify them. To me it looks like they verify everyone.

What EM can't do is verify if the photos used by the lady are recent...I was amused - when last looking - to find ladies from over 10 years ago - still using the same photo ...WHY men / ladies feel the need to do this eludes me - the first video call will reveal the deceit
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Re: Elena’s Models 2 Weeks Report
« Reply #49 on: December 18, 2015, 07:00:55 AM »
Your comments reak of double standard fuddy duddy conservatism with no comprehension of how photos may be taken--or why.

As Lily says

It may come of a bit strange, yes of course I like girls in bikini shots, but at the same time I know that its all too easy for men to be led up the garden path of following appealing pics. Ultimately, if I'm going to use a website I want at least a reasonable chance of bona fide women on there - spending time and money I can do, pointlessly wasting it I would prefer to avoid. For me, I would rather have less glossy but sincere opportunities to meet real women than just to be holding glossy pics of someone that there was never any real chance of a relationship with. If both glossy pics and a real relationship are present not an issue of course.

I just state about the racy pics vs FSU women values as from the women I was once in communication with and what I see on here the conversation can be a bit PG which may be seen to conflict with the racy pics. On this I'm never quite sure how far I can go but revealing you're desires doesn't seem a good idea until much later on from what I gather. 
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