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Re: Brexit good, bad or indifferent?
« Reply #1000 on: March 16, 2019, 05:32:06 PM »
You have experience?  Please do share it.


Trench is  talking out of a posterior oriface...AGAIN..

I have experience of the using an EH111 in Cyprus, France and Spain..daughter and ex wife...involving out patient and in-patient care

I guess we were 'lucky,' too...

Trench, you must be some sort  of bored to keep posting such gift.



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Re: Brexit good, bad or indifferent?
« Reply #1001 on: March 16, 2019, 05:38:31 PM »
You have experience?  Please do share it.

Really I don't know why you & Move are rattling on about Brexit, seeing as you both put your domain as Ireland it doesn't concern either of you.
No Deal is Ideal :)

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Re: Brexit good, bad or indifferent?
« Reply #1002 on: March 16, 2019, 05:41:09 PM »
Oh, is Sandro from Ireland too?

This post was composed without the aid of google.
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Re: Brexit good, bad or indifferent?
« Reply #1003 on: March 16, 2019, 05:47:12 PM »
Really I don't know why you & Move are rattling on about Brexit, seeing as you both put your domain as Ireland it doesn't concern either of you.
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I hold a UK passport and voted in the referendum and can vote in a future one..


Is this you diversionary 'tactic'  as you've been busted re the EHC111 health card?


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Re: Brexit good, bad or indifferent?
« Reply #1004 on: March 16, 2019, 05:54:35 PM »
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I hold a UK passport and voted in the referendum and can vote in a future one..


Is this you diversionary 'tactic'  as you've been busted re the EHC111 health card?

You've declared for Ireland on here Mobers so why don't you stay out of British business. Seems it's all outsiders putting there oar in where they shouldn't. You can only be loyal to one side you turncoat Mobers.
No Deal is Ideal :)

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Re: Brexit good, bad or indifferent?
« Reply #1005 on: March 17, 2019, 01:03:50 AM »

You've declared for Ireland on here Mobers so why don't you stay out of British business. Seems it's all outsiders putting there oar in where they shouldn't. You can only be loyal to one side you turncoat Mobers.


More room foam, from the busted fool

I am coming to the UK in a few hours))




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Re: Brexit good, bad or indifferent?
« Reply #1006 on: March 17, 2019, 02:44:48 AM »

More room foam, from the busted fool

I am coming to the UK in a few hours))

Good I'll inform customs control to detain you at the border.
No Deal is Ideal :)

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Re: Brexit good, bad or indifferent?
« Reply #1007 on: March 17, 2019, 05:03:08 PM »
Good I'll inform customs control to detain you at the border.

Based on... importing common sense?

But back to your 'experience' of EHC 111 Health cards...do tell....

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Re: Brexit good, bad or indifferent?
« Reply #1008 on: March 17, 2019, 11:17:37 PM »
Labour is preparing to offer full support for a second referendum. The proposal will be put to parliament when May launches her third attempt to pass her Brexit deal.

What happens if there's a second referendum and Leave wins the vote again? Will there be best 3 of 5 referendum votes?

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/mar/17/labour-plan-commons-vote-second-referendum

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Re: Brexit good, bad or indifferent?
« Reply #1009 on: March 18, 2019, 02:52:43 AM »
Labour is preparing to offer full support for a second referendum. The proposal will be put to parliament when May launches her third attempt to pass her Brexit deal.

What happens if there's a second referendum and Leave wins the vote again? Will there be best 3 of 5 referendum votes?

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/mar/17/labour-plan-commons-vote-second-referendum

Unlikely it will get the votes in Parliament to succeed Dave, it's another motion that may get put forward this week etc that will get voted down, mainly as it's a Labour motion so the government won't vote to pass it. At the moment it doesn't look like a third vote will go ahead, the DUP and Tory Brexiteers won't come on side so the Government U-turned yesterday on Sunday to pretty much paving the way to calling it off. I think they hoped to put pressure on the DUO & Brexiteers to back it or face no Brexit at all. What they haven't realised is that their deal effectively means no Brexit at all by keeping us a vassal state of the EU so it impassable.

So at the moment their is complete disarray. Theresa is being too ignorant to give up her deal and go for no deal, so far. There has been talk of an extension, probably small one to May but that will likely achieve little since no one can agree on anything in Parliament. Plus the EU member states have to agree to it, they probably will do though I'm hoping they don't. There should be a real reason for an extension, we don't have one but we'll probably get an extension anyway. A referendum on Theresa's deal I am sure would confirm that it is unwanted by the public so it's very doubtful it will be put to a referendum. Really the only, quickest and best way out of all of this is No Deal it's just that to date Theresa has been too thick to realise it.
No Deal is Ideal :)

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Re: Brexit good, bad or indifferent?
« Reply #1010 on: March 18, 2019, 03:31:59 AM »
So amusing to read a poster who misleads us as to  their true identity and gets the usual clueless response from Trench..))

The EU have a long history of winning by second referendum results.


Read up on Ireland and the Netherlands


The UK referendum was not legally binding and IF one was held that was....with concrete wording and consequences it would cut through all the impasses.

The likes of Trench fear such a vote...given the last eight months polls have shown no appetite to leave...


In the meantime Mrs May is still using 'lack of time'  to get a terrible compromise

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Re: Brexit good, bad or indifferent?
« Reply #1011 on: March 18, 2019, 05:26:45 AM »
So amusing to read a poster who misleads us to their true identity and get the usual clueless response from Trench..))

The EU have a long history of winning by second referendum results.


Read up on Ireland and the Netherlands


The UK referendum was not legally binding and IF one was held that was....with concrete wording and consequences it would cut through all the impasses.

The likes of Trench fear such a vote...given the last eight months polls have shown no appetite to leave...


In the meantime Mrs May is still using 'lack of time'  to get a terrible compromise

The people of Ireland was subjected to a belittling and humiliation of being told to vote again the EU's way as the first time around they voted against the Lisbon Treaty, totally undemocratic to treat the people of Ireland in such a manner. The UK Public was not given a vote at all over the Lisbon Treaty unlike other EU countries because Blair and the EU knew they would never get it passed the UK population and that the tactics they used in Ireland and elsewhere would not wash with us, we don't give in to such arrogance.

The EU referendum passed by an act of parliament before the vote and statements by Cameron at the start made it clear that as he put it this was a once in a lifetime chance to decide the matter. Cameron made it very clear the vote outcome would be abided by and for he's p iece he at least made way by stepping down at the end as he did not wish to work on something he did not support. Any such poll of the people by government has a democratic obligation to be upheld otherwise we are in the politics of Mugabe. Mobe plain and simple you lost, no one at the time questioned the legality of the referendum or the way it was held, it was passed by the electerol commission.

A second referendum is supposed to vote on the deal were we to have one, not rerun the first referendum, it doesn't matter whether Remoaners now claim they would win such a referendum, at the time you lost and that's all that counts. As such any second referendum vote would be on whether to accept the EU Deal or go for No Deal and we all know how that one would go ;)

Move just give it up, it's apparent your interests lay more in the Republic of Ireland and are just another foreigner medelling in some one else's country's politics.
No Deal is Ideal :)

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Re: Brexit good, bad or indifferent?
« Reply #1012 on: March 18, 2019, 07:15:01 AM »
A lot of meaningless words

The Irish are happy to be in the EU and the current Dutch PM does not wish to leave the EU..nor for the UK to do so.


Always glad to point out your howlers, Trench


No...I will not be 'giving up' and
will continue to support the final decision..including an option to save, let's just forget leaving' is the fairest option..



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Re: Brexit good, bad or indifferent?
« Reply #1013 on: March 18, 2019, 10:33:23 AM »
Well good news has just occurred. The Speaker of the House of Commons has ruled Theresa May's EU Deal cannot come back a third time as it needs to be substantially different under Parlimentary convention. So like most bills after the second vote, which we have had it's dead in the water :) Seeing that the EU have already substantially ruled out changes it looks like it really is a no go for her now. Without her signalling what she intends to do the 27 EU members will hopefully disagree to an extension. No Deal Brexit here we come :D
No Deal is Ideal :)

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Re: Brexit good, bad or indifferent?
« Reply #1014 on: March 18, 2019, 11:46:16 AM »
Move just give it up, it's apparent your interests lay more in the Republic of Ireland and are just another foreigner medelling in some one else's country's politics.


Ah that old chestnut..from someone who wants to import a hot foreign wife and contribute as little to society as they can get away with.  As laughable at your constant incorrect guesses at the Brexit outcome...
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Re: Brexit good, bad or indifferent?
« Reply #1015 on: March 18, 2019, 03:27:34 PM »
Well good news has just occurred. The Speaker of the House of Commons has ruled Theresa May's EU Deal cannot come back a third time as it needs to be substantially different under Parlimentary convention. So like most bills after the second vote, which we have had it's dead in the water :) Seeing that the EU have already substantially ruled out changes it looks like it really is a no go for her now. Without her signalling what she intends to do the 27 EU members will hopefully disagree to an extension. No e Brexit here we come :D

So funny how Trench cannot see what he thinks is good for his wet dream makes it even less likely..

I am very happy ...

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Re: Brexit good, bad or indifferent?
« Reply #1016 on: March 18, 2019, 06:01:20 PM »
So funny how Trench cannot see what he thinks is good for his wet dream makes it even less likely..

I am very happy ...

Wet dream? What a charming way to put it >:(

Anyway then what is Theresa going to do next? The EU Deal is dead, it's going nowhere. So what reason is she to give to the EU to extend Article 50. Without a decent reason the member states theoretically shouldn't extend it, hence no deal. If she moves to a Customs Union then she rips open the divisions within her party and if course goes against another one of her promises as well as not deliver on the referendum. There also is no proven majority in Parliament for a customs union particularly as many MP's come from Leave voting constituencies.
No Deal is Ideal :)

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Re: Brexit good, bad or indifferent?
« Reply #1017 on: March 18, 2019, 10:17:58 PM »
Theresa May has shot her bolt and should resign... 

She will not agree to a second referendum with specific options and yet kept trying to hold repeat votes on her 'plan'

She has failed to win support from either the perspective of leave or remain

It is time to let the people decide and ask for time to organise a vote on

Her deal

No deal

Remain

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Re: Brexit good, bad or indifferent?
« Reply #1018 on: March 19, 2019, 04:06:12 AM »
At least watching the House of Commons can be entertaining, especially when nothing gets done.





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Re: Brexit good, bad or indifferent?
« Reply #1019 on: March 19, 2019, 05:24:40 AM »
Theresa May has shot her bolt and should resign... 

She will not agree to a second referendum with specific options and yet kept trying to hold repeat votes on her 'plan'

She has failed to win support from either the perspective of leave or remain

It is time to let the people decide and ask for time to organise a vote on

Her deal

No deal


Let me amend that for you, seeing that we have already voted against Remain in the first referendum ;)
No Deal is Ideal :)

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Re: Brexit good, bad or indifferent?
« Reply #1020 on: March 19, 2019, 05:29:49 AM »
 >:(
Let me amend that for you, seeing that we have already voted against Remain in the first referendum ;)

You can try..

However, the PM doesn't believe in listening to results...So it is time for her to listen to the revised opinion of the voters..


I know WHY that scares you..


You WILL lose


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Re: Brexit good, bad or indifferent?
« Reply #1021 on: March 19, 2019, 02:00:46 PM »
Revised opinion? 

Better said, informed opinion.

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Re: Brexit good, bad or indifferent?
« Reply #1022 on: March 20, 2019, 12:29:19 AM »
 I defer to the Honourable Representative..;)


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Re: Brexit good, bad or indifferent?
« Reply #1023 on: March 20, 2019, 11:08:43 AM »
Given Tusk's statement today, it looks like we will be getting a No Deal Brexit on the 29th March after all :cheesy:
No Deal is Ideal :)

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Re: Brexit good, bad or indifferent?
« Reply #1024 on: March 20, 2019, 11:50:07 AM »
As you are so sure and there is little time left you will be sure to accept my bet..  ?....

Trench you are LOUSY at reading situations..

 

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