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Re: Trench's Questions and Philosophies
« Reply #2725 on: May 06, 2019, 09:06:05 AM »
I was introduced to a friend of a close female friend. I bought her a drink. 15 minutes later she had her hands down my pants in the pub car park, trying to entice me back to her house.

Reminds me of my very first day in Japan as a 17 year old boy.

Went into a bar and wondered how to go about picking up a gal.

The first gal that walked up to me grabbed my crotch and said: "You want to buy me a drink?"

I thought I had died and gone to heaven !!
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Re: Trench's Questions and Philosophies
« Reply #2726 on: May 06, 2019, 10:04:43 AM »


You can't say Boe that dating in the FSU isn't different. How many girls in western society would repay a guy buying them a meal by spreading their legs right after?


I am struggling to comprehend Trench..

Is he suggesting FSW have opened their legs for him, because he bought them a meal?....I seriously think not...

Trench is just too daft to realise that people indulge in games for two ( normally) because of a connection and trust..

That happens whether in the west or the FSU..

Honestly, Trench...do you read before posting such bollox?

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Re: Trench's Questions and Philosophies
« Reply #2727 on: May 06, 2019, 04:46:50 PM »
If Ukraine's economy was not in such a state they would be doing the same as Russia and paying women to stay at home until the child is 2. Economic pressure can push women to do more in curtain situations which call for it. Yet the best state of affairs for society and both genders is for the woman to stay at home and keep home and not think selfishly in going out for more.

No, Ukraine's issue is not the economy.  It is that politicians are in office to enrich themselves, and don't care about the well being of the population, or the country. 

If you think the best thing for women is to stay home to take care of a home, then presumably, you also think they should receive 60% or more of marital assets, plus the matrimonial home if children are still living there, in the event of a dissolution of the marriage, and, as primary caregivers, full custody of any children of the marriage.

Personally, I reject the idea that it is "better for society" for women to stay home.  Children do need a parent home  before they start school, but that period is rather short.  The only way that can be done in today's world is for government to provide significant tax benefits, so that the majority of families can afford such a set up.

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It's not great in the workplace for a load of people to end up working part time, better to have people their full time rather than trying to further their careers on a part time basis, essentially they are not whole heartedly committed to either task.

Untrue.  Happy workers living balanced lives are the most productive.

However, if you wish to take this tack, then physician, heal thyself. 

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I don't think the Russian part was significant enough that anything not translated woyld significantly change what was said. In any case I will use Google Voice translate when I get time and see if that comes up with anything significant.

Since you don't know what was said, and I do, I disagree.

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You can't say Boe that dating in the FSU isn't different. How many girls in western society would repay a guy buying them a meal by spreading their legs right after?

Proof yet again of your misogyny.

First, as Davo and ML pointed out, you can find women who will, as you so vulgarly put it, "spread their legs" right after a guy buys them a meal or a drink.   It's why I laughed at another poster coming here to crow about a 20 something UW coming to his bed the night they met.  Wow!  What an accomplishment!  A foreigner with money bedding a girl looking for nothing more than a good time. 

I remember a poster here who visited Ukraine for a week.  A few weeks later, he posted about how he'd just been out on a date with an AW, she paid for dinner, and he got laid.  He compared it to his Ukrainian foray, where he shelled out for 3 dinners, and didn't get laid once.  He wasn't complaining, he posted in a humorous way, which is why I remember that post.  He also wasn't someone with no or limited experience with women. 

The fact is, not every FSUW is going to "spread her legs" after a dinner, just as not every WW does.  In fact, the vast majority of FSUW will not.  But if this is your thinking, why are you looking for a wife in a country where the women are, in your mind, sluts with no morals?  After all, even with a child, such a woman will find another man for whom she can "spread (her) legs".

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Re: Trench's Questions and Philosophies
« Reply #2728 on: May 06, 2019, 08:28:45 PM »
I would remind everyone of this link:
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?action=ezportal;sa=page;p=24

In particular this section:
Be a gentleman in all respects. Being a gentleman comes with many obligations. It's not just opening doors or taking a lady's hand as she alights from a car. It includes taking responsibility for all of the masculine duties and showing a lady the ultimate in respect and care.

Gentlemanly behavior isn't an option with most FSUW. There is an expectation that you will be decisive, attentive and well-mannered at all times.

A gentleman should accept financial responsibility for dates, and expect nothing in return for dates or gifts given. If you invite a lady to dinner be prepared to happily pay for the bill without question or expectation of any returned favors by the lady. A FSU man would almost always pay the costs of a date and western men dating in FSU should do no less.

Paying for a date doesn't mean you should expect any privileges or favors, but often a lady will make her own contributions later on through special things she will do for her man. Some of these things might appear to have a low financial cost to you but may be of significant personal value to her.

If you are taking responsibility for arranging dating activities, you will be the one to set the pace of the expenditure. A man should never outspend his capacity but he should understand there is an expectation that he will not rely on a lady to pay half the costs.
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Re: Trench's Questions and Philosophies
« Reply #2729 on: May 06, 2019, 11:06:30 PM »
A good FSU woman will attenuate her requests to something that is comfortable for her man to provide.   One who doesn't should not be indulged past the revealing encounter.  For those FSU women reading this, take notice. 
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Re: Trench's Questions and Philosophies
« Reply #2730 on: May 07, 2019, 09:45:24 PM »
Reminds me of my very first day in Japan as a 17 year old boy.

Went into a bar and wondered how to go about picking up a gal.

The first gal that walked up to me grabbed my crotch and said: "You want to buy me a drink?"

I thought I had died and gone to heaven !!

I think you got the better deal. The next morning I realised it wasn’t the smartest decision I’d made in my life.... she had already decided I was her new boyfriend. It took a 2 days to convince her it wasn’t happening!! 😣
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Re: Trench's Questions and Philosophies
« Reply #2731 on: May 09, 2019, 10:04:25 AM »
Quote from: ML on May 06, 2019, 11:06:05 AM
Reminds me of my very first day in Japan as a 17 year old boy.

Went into a bar and wondered how to go about picking up a gal.

The first gal that walked up to me grabbed my crotch and said: "You want to buy me a drink?"

I thought I had died and gone to heaven !!

- - - - - - - - - -

I think you got the better deal. The next morning I realised it wasn’t the smartest decision I’d made in my life.... she had already decided I was her new boyfriend. It took a 2 days to convince her it wasn’t happening!! 😣

I just remembered more about that time.

On board Navy ship we had been given talk that most all of the gals there had some sort of STD.

So with this first gal I was somewhat worried.  Then, I looked at her completely bare back (still in the bar) and didn't see any sores or scabs.  Thus I was pretty sure she had no STDs.

Pretty wise analysis I would say.
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Re: Trench's Questions and Philosophies
« Reply #2732 on: May 10, 2019, 04:24:01 AM »
Quote from: ML on May 06, 2019, 11:06:05 AM
 

On board Navy ship we had been given talk that most all of the gals there had some sort of STD.

So with this first gal I was somewhat worried.  Then, I looked at her completely bare back (still in the bar) and didn't see any sores or scabs.  Thus I was pretty sure she had no STDs.

Pretty wise analysis I would say.

I trust you posted this 'medical assessment 'tongue  in cheek, so to speak..? 

Seeing a 'clean' bareback is not the wisest citeria to go bareback...

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Re: Trench's Questions and Philosophies
« Reply #2733 on: May 30, 2019, 07:24:32 PM »
Isn't it pretty cynical to assume that the prettier the girl the more materialistic she is?

Of course, I guess that I tend to be the more optimistic in my outlook.
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Re: Trench's Questions and Philosophies
« Reply #2734 on: July 10, 2019, 11:54:50 PM »
Thing is I guess to try and find some business a FSW can do at home to earn a bit of money. Something that is no big deal to do and gentle enough to not be seen as a full on job but at home. Would help keep her mind occupied and off shagging other blokes while you're at work me thinks.

What do you reckon Krim?
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Re: Trench's Questions and Philosophies
« Reply #2735 on: July 11, 2019, 12:20:22 AM »
Trench,
if you keep a woman sexually satisfied AND you take her shopping and protect her
she will never leave your side...
I'm serious....

I owe my success with women to my proficiency at "oral"
this is a secret weapon western guys in Ukraine have that most Russian guys DO NOT have....
give a woman in Ukraine an oral orgasm, and it'll almost always be her first time...
and she will follow you around like a little puppy dog wanting to be petted...
word...
I'm telling you...

happened EVERY time...
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Re: Trench's Questions and Philosophies
« Reply #2736 on: July 11, 2019, 12:39:36 AM »
Trench,
if you keep a woman sexually satisfied AND you take her shopping and protect her
she will never leave your side...
I'm serious....

I owe my success with women to my proficiency at "oral"
this is a secret weapon western guys in Ukraine have that most Russian guys DO NOT have....
give a woman in Ukraine an oral orgasm, and it'll almost always be her first time...
and she will follow you around like a little puppy dog wanting to be petted...
word...
I'm telling you...

happened EVERY time...

Sounds like it would be worth a venture :P
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Re: Trench's Questions and Philosophies
« Reply #2737 on: July 11, 2019, 12:41:49 AM »
 :wallbash:
I would like to have children, if a FSW wanted the same and we at least got along this wouldn't necessarily be such a bad way for either side to do it. After all there are surrogate mother's and sperm donors so this could be quite preferably, no prostitution.

Why are you polluting the thread with your irrelevant thoughts ?

1/ You have made it clear you do not seek a FSU  W with a kid...let alone two

2/ You have no experience of a FSU woman living with you ..having trusted you to leave her home

3/ You haven't even been in a relationship with one that lasted one than a visit and a disastrous holiday together

You opinions are worthless..



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Re: Trench's Questions and Philosophies
« Reply #2738 on: July 11, 2019, 02:15:30 AM »
I would like to have children, if a FSW wanted the same and we at least got along this wouldn't necessarily be such a bad way for either side to do it. After all there are surrogate mother's and sperm donors so this could be quite preferably, no prostitution.

Sure it is.  Surrogate mothers/sperm donors are monetary exchanges as well.

A girl I was briefly with a couple of years back in Ukraine told me that she would not work in the UK, not even in a part time job. She expected the man to pay for it all.

I suspect she told you this to get rid of you, once you served your purpose.



Some US guys think the guy should pay for a FSW children through College. That's fine if real wealthy or particularly close relationship with them. Myself though I wouldn't see it as my responsibility, most higher ed. In the FSU is not of the level of the west. I would see it as an extra that the FSW or her kids should pay if they want it, it's being overly generous of the guy funding it in my opinion.


If you "import" a woman and her children, you have an obligation to support those children as if they were your own.  That typically means helping them with education.

Not every FSU university is inferior to that of the West, either, and many FSU educated individuals can get jobs easily in the West.  The issue is that one never knows if that FSU degree was actually obtained, or if it was just printed.  Even if a degree is not fully recognized most FSU individuals with degrees get some credit for FSU coursework.

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Re: Trench's Questions and Philosophies
« Reply #2739 on: July 11, 2019, 11:05:27 AM »
Sure it is.  Surrogate mothers/sperm donors are monetary exchanges as well.

I suspect she told you this to get rid of you, once you served your purpose.



If you "import" a woman and her children, you have an obligation to support those children as if they were your own.  That typically means helping them with education.

Not every FSU university is inferior to that of the West, either, and many FSU educated individuals can get jobs easily in the West.  The issue is that one never knows if that FSU degree was actually obtained, or if it was just printed.  Even if a degree is not fully recognized most FSU individuals with degrees get some credit for FSU coursework.

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Not true, she made quite an attempt to get me to see it how she sees it. I think in the end we didn't trust each other among other issues, too much distrust had built up. I didn't realise how decisively she viewed matters. I also didn't realise that she had a transactional nature I now believe derived from her want of clothes fashion and her poor background. As Krim says many UW want something and I think that can make a girl behave transactional if they see men as their only avenue left to get it. She basically had other ways available to put me off, I could tell this was her world view and not a method of putting me off her.

In the UK, parents are responsible up to the age of 18, anything beyond that is down to their desire to help out more. I don't see it as a FSW children are entitled by the WM to provide uni education, it's additional education not the basic standard education. They could after all go back to the FSU at that age if they so wished.
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Re: Trench's Questions and Philosophies
« Reply #2740 on: July 11, 2019, 11:55:35 AM »

if I were you, before I did ANYTHING else
I'd figure out how to make more money!!!!!
and then, go and do it!!!

He keeps wanting people to agree with him that he doesn't need
to make more money and he ignores all those who tell him
otherwise.

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FSUW don't do vague
FSUW like a man of action. Be a man of action 
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Re: Trench's Questions and Philosophies
« Reply #2741 on: July 11, 2019, 11:58:12 AM »
I assume a lot of sex tourists go to the FSU as they want sex with hot FSW but don't or can't afford to support FSW and any kids.

It's always been cheaper to rent rather than buy.
You can't afford a FSW or kids.

FSUW are not for entry level daters
FSUW don't do vague
FSUW like a man of action. Be a man of action 
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Re: Trench's Questions and Philosophies
« Reply #2742 on: July 11, 2019, 12:00:00 PM »

Otherwise known as "prostitution". 


You've posted in the past that you don't want to "import" a woman that will leave you.  How is this really different?

I think he is more worried that she will leave him AND get the House.

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Re: Trench's Questions and Philosophies
« Reply #2743 on: July 11, 2019, 12:22:06 PM »
It's always been cheaper to rent rather than buy.
You can't afford a FSW or kids.

Not true, if I lived in the US on a comparable salary this would be true. In the UK our schools are funded by the state as is health care, etc. This combined with me owning my own house means it's within my means.
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Re: Trench's Questions and Philosophies
« Reply #2744 on: July 11, 2019, 12:47:03 PM »
Not true, if I lived in the US on a comparable salary this would be true. In the UK our schools are funded by the state as is health care, etc. This combined with me owning my own house means it's within my means.

I don't know your laws. In the USA you have to make 125% of the poverty
rate or more in order to obtain a VISA for a spouse or Fiancee. However,
deciding to have a go with the bare, barest minimum is a very, very bad
plan.

You've never raised a child, I have. They require all sorts of things. You've
never supported an FSUW, I have. They require all sorts of things. You also
need money for a rainy day. Let's say you have it now, for ONE rainy day.
What happens the next rainy day?

How often do FSUW live with their parents? 90% of the time? What happens
when/if her Mamma needs medicine? What happens if her father gets sick
and can't work for a month or two? You don't just marry a girl, you marry
her AND her immediate family.

You are assuming things you know little or nothing about. You are ignoring
people who have been there and done that. Surely you are smart enough
to get a job that pays more money. Are you too lazy? Are you in some
kind of rut? The average salary in the UK is £27,600 that's $34.5K.
How far below average do you plan to be long term?

Why don't you just try to get yourself up to average? You don't have
to be like me and try to excel at everything.


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FSUW don't do vague
FSUW like a man of action. Be a man of action 
If you find a promising girl, get your butt on a plane.
There are a hundred ways to be successful and a thousand ways to f#ck it up
Kiss the girl, don't ask her first.

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Re: Trench's Questions and Philosophies
« Reply #2745 on: July 11, 2019, 01:46:16 PM »
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Not true, if I lived in the US on a comparable salary this would be true. In the UK our schools are funded by the state as is health care, etc. This combined with me owning my own house means it's within my means.


Oh Trenchie,

Pl-ease stop posting utter bollox.

You may try to BS a cousin across the pond, but there are folks that know the cost of living in the UK and you are talking out of your arse...as usual.

http://www.moneyadviceservice.org.uk/blog/what-is-the-average-cost-to-have-a-baby




At the very least..each child is going to cost £5000 year to 18 years including a summer holiday (vacation) a year..


Honestly, when will you post about something you DO understand / know about?


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Re: Trench's Questions and Philosophies
« Reply #2746 on: July 11, 2019, 01:52:15 PM »
I don't know your laws. In the USA you have to make 125% of the poverty
rate or more in order to obtain a VISA for a spouse or Fiancee. However,
deciding to have a go with the bare, barest minimum is a very, very bad
plan.

You've never raised a child, I have. They require all sorts of things. You've
never supported an FSUW, I have. They require all sorts of things. You also
need money for a rainy day. Let's say you have it now, for ONE rainy day.
What happens the next rainy day?

How often do FSUW live with their parents? 90% of the time? What happens
when/if her Mamma needs medicine? What happens if her father gets sick
and can't work for a month or two? You don't just marry a girl, you marry
her AND her immediate family.

You are assuming things you know little or nothing about. You are ignoring
people who have been there and done that. Surely you are smart enough
to get a job that pays more money. Are you too lazy? Are you in some
kind of rut? The average salary in the UK is £27,600 that's $34.5K.
How far below average do you plan to be long term?

Why don't you just try to get yourself up to average? You don't have
to be like me and try to excel at everything.

Like said vefore, the average UK salary in the UK is not what is achievable for most people, it's a mean average so it takes into account millionaires directors pay, those getting paid at the top end, that skews it somewhat.

Commonly most people can achieve in the £21-23k if they really want it. Unless you're lucky that will come with some degree of work and stress. To give you an idea of the jobs that pay around £27k here they will be team/department managers in companies or for the council, or a reasonably experienced Accountant, Architect, Engineer, a year/subject head teacher or possibly some type of Lawyer. The Employer will be asking for their pound of flesh for these jobs. They will come with a lot stress, pressure and workload in almost all cases. Teachers probably getting of the lightest at this level.

The more stress, pressure and workload the more unbearable the job can become and keep hold off. The less your going to feel like doing internet dating messaging in your spare time. Mostly you'll just want to de-stress in that time.

Better to either set a successful not too stressful business or get a way of securing an independent income.
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Re: Trench's Questions and Philosophies
« Reply #2747 on: July 11, 2019, 01:59:59 PM »
No, Trench, she was probably not trying to get you to think her way.  Once she had what she wanted, and saw you weren't going to try to get her a visa to the UK, she wanted to get rid of you.  This is a common way for UW to do so.

The average wage for a full time worker in the UK is just short of £37,000.  That's an average.  Most of the UK posters here, not just moby have posted that the salary you posted is insufficient to support a foreign wife.  Bill is correct about raising children.  It would be difficult to make ends meet with a child even with the "average" UK salary, which is why most British women work.

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Re: Trench's Questions and Philosophies
« Reply #2748 on: July 11, 2019, 02:00:42 PM »

Oh Trenchie,

Pl-ease stop posting utter bollox.

You may try as BS a cousin across the pond, but there are folks that know the cost of living in the UK and you are talking out of your arse...as usual.

http://www.moneyadviceservice.org.uk/blog/what-is-the-average-cost-to-have-a-baby




At the very least..each child is going to cost £5000 year to 18 years including a summer holiday (vacation) a year..


Honestly, when will you post about something you DO understand / know about?

A BS site where they have plucked the figures from out of their rear. In my family their is so many toys and baby gear floating around that I wouldn't likely need to spend out that much, add to that websites like gumtree and these figures are way of course. Food and nappies & a few extras and you're done, & sorted.
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Re: Trench's Questions and Philosophies
« Reply #2749 on: July 11, 2019, 02:01:37 PM »
ROFL.  So says the man who has never raised a child.  Anyone who has, or is, knows your post is bollocks.


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