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Visiting Crimea
« on: September 03, 2018, 07:09:47 AM »
JayH was suggesting he has visited Crimea more recently than me, but declined to tell us if he has visited since Moscow asserted control ..

Now, there are two ways to go there ....

1/ Get an RU visa and fly  via a third RU airport to Simferopol - or via car from Krasnodar region - via the bridge

OR

2/ Apply for permission to cross over via the check point - for which you'd need a 'Dozvil' AND a Russian Visa

There'd be plenty of uncomfortable questions from Kyiv and Moscow officials if you suggest good reason to go  - if one side agrees - t'other would probably refuse you ( number 5),

I wonder which way JayH  'went' ...?  I have a feeling he'd not apply for a RU visa - so he must have gone using a 'Dosvil'...

So, I wonder what category he fits to get permission to visit ?

"Special permits are only issued when:

1) a foreigner’s/stateless person’s family or close relatives reside in the temporarily occupied territory of Ukraine (relevant documents issued by competent authorities of Ukraine should be submitted);

2) a foreigner/stateless person intends to visit graves of his/her family or close relatives which are located in the temporarily occupied territory of Ukraine (relevant documents should be submitted);

3) in case of death of a member of a foreigner’s/stateless person’s family or death of a close relative who has resided in the temporarily occupied territory of Ukraine (relevant documents issued by competent authorities of Ukraine should be submitted);

4) a foreigner/stateless person has a property located in the temporarily occupied territory of Ukraine;

5) a foreigner/stateless person is participating in measures aimed to protect Ukraine’s national interests and the peaceful settlement of the conflict, liberation of the territory of Ukraine from occupation or for humanitarian reasons (upon consent of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine);

6) a foreigner exercises diplomatic and consular functions, in particular in the frames of international organizations which Ukraine is a member of (upon consent of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine);

7) a foreigner/stateless person is a railway employee and makes regular trips to the temporarily occupied territory of Ukraine.

The abovementioned circumstances should be proved by the relevant documents and submitted along with the application.
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« Last Edit: September 03, 2018, 07:12:15 AM by msmob »

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Re: Visiting Crimea
« Reply #1 on: September 03, 2018, 07:34:36 AM »
I have friends who've gone the checkpoint route between Ukraine/Russia at Kerch
my advice, don't do it, there are some issues with this...

I just recently returned via Moscow<->Simferopol route
no problems, was not even questioned at passport control
did not have to do passport registration stamp in Crimea
so I could if I wanted to, go to Ukraine, and they'd be none the wiser
my passport just has a Russia Visa stamped in Mockba

will not ever be going back, "spossiba bog"
so now can get "maya jhenna" to stop visiting her sister in krim and spend the time some place better instead!!!
Barcelona would be a good choice, last time I was there someone tried to steal my luggage in the hotel lobby
los bastardos!!!
but what an interesting place!!!


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Re: Visiting Crimea
« Reply #2 on: September 03, 2018, 07:57:19 AM »
How would it work if one wanted to visit by a vessel. East to the West Georgia to say Fedosiya and from West to the East say Odessa to Yevpatoria?

How would it work if you wanted between Fedosiya and Yevpatoria again by vessel?
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Re: Visiting Crimea
« Reply #3 on: September 03, 2018, 08:08:25 AM »
IF you arrive from Russia - in a private yacht - registered IN Russia - not a problem  - as long as the authorities know a non CIS crew member(s) are on board

As cruise ships from other nations no longer visit Crimea - not an issue ...

One can book a Russian cruise that visits Russia  ports ;)


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Re: Visiting Crimea
« Reply #4 on: September 03, 2018, 11:01:45 AM »
Moby,

Thank you for your reply.

But in fact you did not answer my questions.

Curious though why would there be difference if a crew member was non CIS?

BdH
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Re: Visiting Crimea
« Reply #5 on: September 03, 2018, 11:33:09 AM »
Sorry, but I believe I had

To be clear...you must arrive in Crimea having departed via a Russian Port.

The reasons are 'security'..

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Re: Visiting Crimea
« Reply #6 on: September 03, 2018, 01:40:51 PM »
Mob,

Thank you, so what you are stating a vessel would have to track counter clockwise around the Black Sea. Departing say Sochi to Fedosiya. Sailing onto say Sevastopol. From there sailing to Kherson.

What about the crew and the flag of the vessel? Any ideas or thought?

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Re: Visiting Crimea
« Reply #7 on: September 03, 2018, 01:57:30 PM »
Mob,

Thank you, so what you are stating a vessel would have to track counter clockwise around the Black Sea. Departing say Sochi to Fedosiya. Sailing onto say Sevastopol. From there sailing to Kherson.

I'm not sure what would be the reaction of the UA authorities if your ships log shows you've paid a visit to the 'occupied part' of Ukraine

What about the crew and the flag of the vessel? Any ideas or thought?

Bd

I'd not even try it ..I'd use a RU flagged vessel for the ports claimed as Russian.. Then return another time with most any other flagged vessel - staying away from Russia

The Crew ?  Mainly Russians in Russian claimed waters...

I'd make sure that the authorities as all destinations knew the itinerary

My - and it is MY suggestion -  comes from the experience of a  friend who used to cruise the Eastern Med and managed to include Turkey, Israel, Egypt and Syria on the itinerary ... those days are long gone ((

   

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Re: Visiting Crimea
« Reply #8 on: September 03, 2018, 06:02:31 PM »
isn't there a commercial passenger catamaran that sails from sochi to feodosia?
you could just buy a ticket
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Re: Visiting Crimea
« Reply #9 on: April 14, 2019, 01:42:28 PM »

I have friends who've gone the checkpoint route between Ukraine/Russia at Kerch
my advice, don't do it, there are some issues with this...


The checkpoint at Kerch doesn't exist for 4 years now.


I just recently returned via Moscow<->Simferopol route
no problems, was not even questioned at passport control
did not have to do passport registration stamp in Crimea
so I could if I wanted to, go to Ukraine, and they'd be none the wiser
my passport just has a Russia Visa stamped in Mockba


Of course, the passport is stamped at the place where you first cross the national border.
« Last Edit: April 14, 2019, 03:20:53 PM by Olga_Mouse »
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Re: Visiting Crimea
« Reply #10 on: April 14, 2019, 02:05:57 PM »
not always...
vidisch?

did I say Kerch?
sorry meant Kherson   

are you going to punish me for the error with your sharp britva
you'd have to catch me first...

« Last Edit: April 14, 2019, 02:16:57 PM by krimster2 »
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Re: Visiting Crimea
« Reply #11 on: April 14, 2019, 03:18:16 PM »

not always... vidisch?


You meant the registration stamp - I meant the entry \ exit stamps. In any case, the times when registration stamp was put in the passport near the visa, have long gone (if it ever was the case - 'cause according to the law the registration stamp should have been put on migration card previously). We are discussing here the actual situation. And now the registration stamp is being put on the foreigner's registration form, if needed on paper at all (most of the hotels simply have the USB-key to access the FMS database, and do it electronically).


did I say Kerch?

You wrote it.


sorry meant Kherson   

Even more stupid. Kherson is not, and was not a border control point between RU \ UA (unless using ships in pre-war times, but I doubt you've ever used the Kherson - Novorossijsk line).


are you going to punish me for the error with your sharp britva

Sure, you have deserved it more than once.


you'd have to catch me first...
Have already caught you with Kerch \ Kherson. But that's obviously not enough for you? Need more punishment - then keep on writing in your usual goobledygook manner! Meanwhile I'm sharping my balls-cutting knife.
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Re: Visiting Crimea
« Reply #12 on: April 14, 2019, 04:48:21 PM »
gozpedy

not Kherson, the town, Kherson OBLAST where Chonhar is located
or do people your age still say Kherson gubernaya???

“Meanwhile I'm sharping my balls-cutting knife.”

I thought it was a britva and not a nosh
no matter...
за честь должна считать to hold and admire such a magnificent specimen of manhood in your little rookie, I'm sure of it


« Last Edit: April 14, 2019, 06:14:46 PM by krimster2 »
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Visiting Crimea (Krimster's issues with Kerch \ Kherson \ Chongar)
« Reply #13 on: April 15, 2019, 01:10:32 AM »

not Kherson, the town, Kherson OBLAST where Chonhar is located


Oh what an interesting twist! First you write Kerch. Then you claim you've meant Kherson. Now yet another turn - you claim you've meant Chonhar...

Have you ever heard of such thing as consistency? Or sticking to the facts? It seems not.

Have you ever thought about what your usual goobledygoock style of writing, factual & geographical incoherence, and mixing the broken Russian words with (supposedly) English text might possibly contribute to the common forum wisdom?


or do people your age still say Kherson gubernaya???
Can't speak for all people of my age; but I personally consider it as a sign of respect towards forum community to express my thoughts as clear and precise as possible. Something you're completely lacking, unfortunately.
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Re: Visiting Crimea
« Reply #14 on: April 15, 2019, 07:05:59 AM »
“Oh what an interesting twist! First you write Kerch. Then you claim you've meant Kherson. Now yet another turn - you claim you've meant Chonhar...”


Even old New York was once Niew Amsterdam!
Chonhar is in Kherson Oblast, so it is perfectly normal to say Kherson, unless it is Friday, in which case you SHOULD say Chonhar, but if the road is blocked again you WILL have to go to Kerch - head across the chorny moira to Kuban from Kuban to Moscow from Moscow to Ukraine - it’s a very long journey full of twists and turns ups and downs and picturesque scenery




“Have you ever heard of such thing as consistency?”

only when making bliny and I recommend vigorous stirring of the batter for this effect



“Have you ever thought about what your usual goobledygoock style of writing, factual & geographical incoherence, and mixing the broken Russian words with (supposedly) English text might possibly contribute to the common forum wisdom?”

YES!!!!

« Last Edit: April 15, 2019, 07:46:08 AM by krimster2 »
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Re: Visiting Crimea
« Reply #15 on: April 15, 2019, 12:08:30 PM »


Even old New York was once New Amsterdam!

True, but Chongar has never been Kherson.

Chonhar is in Kherson Oblast, so it is perfectly normal to say Kherson,


You have a truly unique perception of geography. So, according to you, it is perfectly alright to say Sacramento instead of L.A. - simply because Sacramento is the capital of California?



unless it is Friday, in which case you SHOULD say Chonhar,

Unless you have an idea about precision and logic, I'd say.


but if the road is blocked again you WILL have to go to Kerch - head across the chorny moira to Kuban from Kuban to Moscow from Moscow to Ukraine - it’s a very long journey full of twists and turns ups and downs and picturesque scenery
If the road in Chongar is blocked, why not simply going to Armyansk? ...ah yes, I forgot that logic is not your best friend. And the twists and turns inside your mind are hardly understandable for people without personality disorders.
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Re: Visiting Crimea
« Reply #16 on: April 15, 2019, 12:38:55 PM »
Chonhar is a village in Henichesk Raion, Kherson Oblast
I personally have never been there but I have friends who have made the journey because they didn't want to go to Moscow
last summer I took the E105, but turned West at Dzhankoi and went north past Armiansk to take measurements along the Northern Crimean Canal

here's a pic of one of the small tributary canals

"ah yes, I forgot that logic is not your best friend. "

my education is in electrical engineering
I have made MANY millions of dollars designing logic circuits over the last 20 years or so
and have founded several computer hardware and software companies
logic and I are on pretty familiar terms we say du and not sie, we even exchange birthday and christmas cards


"And the twists and turns inside your mind are hardly understandable for people without personality disorders."

yes, you're right about that...
but I have found that it's better to understand then to be understood

« Last Edit: April 15, 2019, 12:57:03 PM by krimster2 »
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