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« on: May 18, 2019, 02:12:40 PM »
Traveling to Ukraine next week to date an ukrainian woman ive been talking to for almost 2 months every day.

Im on my early thirties and have dating experience with western girls, but 0 with eastern europe. When texting i have already noticed some cultural differences.

My questions are... which signs will tell me she is ready for the first kiss?

In some websites they say that if they reject the kiss but still keep meeting you it means you are supposed to keep trying in the future, how true is this?


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« Reply #1 on: May 18, 2019, 03:09:15 PM »
 Do not date girls!!!
 Date women.
There are laws about that.

There are two kinds of women....
Lovers and Fighters
When you think the time is right,
try kissing her.
If she kisses you back,
she is a Lover   :couple:
If she wallops you,
she is a Fighter :cluebat:

Proceed at your own risk.
Good women are not cheap
Cheap women are not good
(but they can be a lot of fun)

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« Reply #2 on: May 18, 2019, 03:11:14 PM »
I use both words, but i know what you mean. hahah

She is totally a WOMAN, right what im looking for.

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« Reply #3 on: May 18, 2019, 04:06:02 PM »
Im on my early thirties and have dating experience with western girls, but 0 with eastern europe. When texting i have already noticed some cultural differences.

My questions are... which signs will tell me she is ready for the first kiss?

In some websites they say that if they reject the kiss but still keep meeting you it means you are supposed to keep trying in the future, how true is this?

Just kiss the girl, she is ready now. You've talked to her every day for
two months? She is more than ready. If there isn't any chemistry then
she will reject the kiss and you need to move on.

Kiss the girl, seduce the girl and win her heart. She wants you to do all three.



FSUW are not for entry level daters
FSUW don't do vague
FSUW like a man of action. Be a man of action 
If you find a promising girl, get your butt on a plane.
There are a hundred ways to be successful and a thousand ways to f#ck it up
Kiss the girl, don't ask her first.

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« Reply #4 on: May 18, 2019, 04:19:59 PM »
Do not date girls!!!
 Date women.
There are laws about that.


There are three different words to describe Russian females where
in English we have two. In English we have girls and women and in
Russian they have devechka's, devushka's and zhenshina's.

Go into Google translate and set it up for English to Russian and type
in Girl and guess what comes out

девушка = devushka

If you are dating a 21 year old American gal she is a woman
but in Russia she is a devushka. She will call herself a girl in
English and that's why some men call the women they're
dating girls.

Wife = жена or zhena. It might be that married women are
called zhena's but if they are in their twenties they still might
refer to themselves as girls. An Unmarried woman in her 40's
won't call herself a girl but might call herself one on a girls day 
or night out.

If you are dating a 40 year old Russian gal she is a zhenshina.
Where is the dividing line? The answer is it really depends.

« Last Edit: May 18, 2019, 04:26:03 PM by 2tallbill »
FSUW are not for entry level daters
FSUW don't do vague
FSUW like a man of action. Be a man of action 
If you find a promising girl, get your butt on a plane.
There are a hundred ways to be successful and a thousand ways to f#ck it up
Kiss the girl, don't ask her first.

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« Reply #5 on: May 18, 2019, 04:30:57 PM »
Traveling to Ukraine next week to date an ukrainian girl ive been talking to for almost 2 months every day.

Im on my early thirties and have dating experience with western girls, but 0 with eastern europe. When texting i have already noticed some cultural differences.

My questions are... which signs will tell me she is ready for the first kiss?

In some websites they say that if they reject the kiss but still keep meeting you it means you are supposed to keep trying in the future, how true is this?

Questions -- your age? Her age?
What is your height & weight?
How did you "meet"?
How have you been communicating?
What city is she from?

Those answers will lead to more questions -- and to give any realistic advice -mor info is a necessity. :welcome:
« Last Edit: May 18, 2019, 04:33:37 PM by JayH »
SLAVA UKRAYINI  ! HEROYAM SLAVA!!!!
Слава Украине! Слава героям слава!Слава Україні! Слава героям!
 translated as: Glory to Ukraine! Glory to the heroes!!!  is a Ukrainian greeting slogan being used now all over Ukraine to signify support for a free independent Ukraine

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« Reply #6 on: May 18, 2019, 05:08:47 PM »
Some women will turn away from or push the man back when he tries for first kiss on first or even second date.

But just a few hours or a couple of days later, they can become very passionate.

I have experienced it multiple times.

No hard and fast conclusions here.

I remember one gal who kept pushing me away even on second date in my apartment.

So I moved on and never contacted her again.

Then a few days later she emailed me wondering when we were going to meet again and said she was dreaming about me taking off her dress.

So she had been playing to 'hard to get card' (which I guess some guys like) but it didn't pan out for her.
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« Reply #7 on: May 18, 2019, 05:08:59 PM »
Welcome😊

Before worrying about first kisses (In my limited experience she’ll give you signs when the time is right or beat you over the head in my case 😉), I was going to ask 2 questions Jay asked. It will reveal a lot to experienced members ..... read the last mans thread who introduced himself and his experience http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=23626.0

Also read the E book available to members, it is very informative. I read it 2 years ago and now I’m working my way through it again...... http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?action=ezportal;sa=page;p=47

How did you "meet"?
How have you been communicating?
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« Reply #8 on: May 18, 2019, 05:22:24 PM »
But more specifically addressing your question:

I think most of us have found that FSU gals are somewhat more receptive to early affection compared to WW.

Doesn't necessarily mean they act that way because they are more indiscriminately promiscuous, but rather because they are somewhat more warm and romantic by nature.

I remember being with a native Latvian woman who was very cold, even as we had good times on a couple of dates.  She told me that I might like it better to be with a Russian woman because they were more warm and romantic.  She didn't say it in a condescending way either and had many Russian women friends.  And she certainly had it pegged correctly.

And to clarify more . . . even as Latvia and Estonia were in the Soviet orbit, they are much more like western European and Nordic people than they are like Slavic people.

Lithuania seemed a little mixed.
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« Reply #9 on: May 19, 2019, 01:02:47 AM »
Questions -- your age? Her age?
What is your height & weight?
How did you "meet"?
How have you been communicating?
What city is she from?

Those answers will lead to more questions -- and to give any realistic advice -mor info is a necessity. :welcome:

Im 32, she is 25

My height is 181 she is 170cm. My weight is 84 (muscular), dont know her weight :D but she is slim and does sport frequently.

We "met" on a popular free dating site that starts with B.

The first week on the site, communication was very fluid compared to most of the others, i asked her to exchange phone numbers, she agreed and also gave me her social media. We speak every day all along the day (maybe less in the mornings because of work).

She is from a small town in Мукачево area

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« Reply #10 on: May 19, 2019, 01:29:58 AM »
Once again.. the OP is asking for advice from ladies ))...
Mannyipulated ;)

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« Reply #11 on: May 19, 2019, 02:51:07 AM »
Once again.. the OP is asking for advice from ladies ))...

I didn’t realise the op posted in this section.... not sure there are many Russian ladies online often.

Datingabroad.... It’s a good sign she given you her phone number and social media. Have you talked to her on the phone and via video chat?

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« Reply #12 on: May 19, 2019, 05:05:07 AM »
I didn’t realise the op posted in this section.... not sure there are many Russian ladies online often.

Datingabroad.... It’s a good sign she given you her phone number and social media. Have you talked to her on the phone and via video chat?

Not videochat but on the phone.
If you are worried that she might be a scammer... im sure she is not. If she was she could do way better, like saying naughty things, sending erotic photos, begging me to go, asking for money... none of this has happened. Im confident that she is just a normal person.
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« Reply #13 on: May 19, 2019, 05:29:51 AM »
Not videochat but on the phone.
If you are worried that she might be a scammer... Im sure she is not. If she was she could do way better, like saying naughty things, sending erotic photos, begging me to go, asking for money... none of this has happened. Im confident that she is just a normal person.

I’m not the most experienced guy here, but I think it looks good atm.

I did ask that as not many scammers will call or video chat, but still I’d ask to video chat... it takes your online relationship to a completely new level.

With K the woman in my trip report we would have lunch/dinner dates over skype, watch online movies together,  she would show me around her city during lunch breaks.... basically share our everyday lives via video.

I really is the best tool you have atm to see if you have chemistry. Some might say you can’t develop chemistry online, but I disagree. We both felt it instantly during our first Skype call. 
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« Reply #14 on: May 19, 2019, 06:45:23 AM »
Interesting.  Her city is closer to Kosice, Slovakia, than any other large Ukrainian cities.  Where are you flying to?

You two have built your relationship for 2 months now.  Articles and discussions about kissing/no kissing on first dates do not fit your situation.  If you like her when you meet, go for a kiss.

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« Reply #15 on: May 19, 2019, 07:57:53 AM »


You two have built your relationship for 2 months now.  Articles and discussions about kissing/no kissing on first dates do not fit your situation.  If you like her when you meet, go for a kiss.

I’ll second this.... I was a true gentleman for a few days and didn’t make a move, until she gave me the most obvious sign. Recently she told me there was no need for a room with two beds the first night we met, but respected my gesture.

It was a funny conversation as mum had checked in a couple of times that day and also just before she went to her bed. I imagined her mum was saying “Davo’s a real gentleman, I’m  glad he isn’t taking advantage of you” when in fact k told me her mum was saying “what’s wrong with this man, you’re a beautiful women, doesn’t he like you!!” 😆
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« Reply #16 on: May 19, 2019, 08:19:40 AM »
Interesting.  Her city is closer to Kosice, Slovakia, than any other large Ukrainian cities.  Where are you flying to?

You two have built your relationship for 2 months now.  Articles and discussions about kissing/no kissing on first dates do not fit your situation.  If you like her when you meet, go for a kiss.

Flying to Kosice actually, because to Debrecen (Hungary) it was more expensive.

The first day we see each other i arrive late, im not sure if we will meet for a long time. Im staying for more than a week so unless its super obvious i can kiss her, i can wait for second day. Also some tension on both sides doesnt do any harm :P
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« Reply #17 on: May 19, 2019, 11:13:26 AM »
There is no answer to your question, as it all depends on the woman. 


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« Reply #18 on: May 19, 2019, 11:24:59 AM »
Do not date girls!!!
 Date women.

The meaning of "girl" in the FSU is different from the meaning of girl as we know it. It's not abnormal for people there to call young women "girls".

Once again.. the OP is asking for advice from ladies ))...

Half the men here are girly men. Does they count?

My questions are... which signs will tell me she is ready for the first kiss?


There is no sign and the answer is the same for all men going to the FSU to meet a woman. You kiss the woman on the cheek and give her a hug the first few seconds you meet her. At the end of the date you kiss her on the cheek. This is normal behavior in that culture. By not doing so may give the woman the impression you are cold or don't like her. Once an FSU woman, thinking about my culture, extended her hand for a handshake but I gave her a puzzled look and then opened both my arms to go in for a hug and kiss.

Advice here may not work and thinking about advice while in the act of dating may screw the date up., You need to figure things out as they date progresses. If I really like a woman at the end of a first date, I give her a kiss on the cheek and hug but I don't let go of her and look her in the eyes. If I feel she's not resisting I will move the kiss to the lips. A woman will stop you when she's at her limit.
There are people that will pass info about you and your family. Do not share info about yourself or share photos as they can search for you on the internet and distribute what they found since they are allowed to participate here.

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« Reply #19 on: May 19, 2019, 11:40:39 AM »
The meaning of "girl" in the FSU is different from the meaning of girl as we know it. It's not abnormal for people there to call young women "girls".


Just spoke to my wife about this 'girl' issue.

She has told me many times about meeting with the 'girls' back in Ukraine.

So I asked her now why she translated the Ukrainian word into girls rather than something else, like women friends.

She said that if they referred to each other as women it would make them feel older, so they used the Ukrainian version of girls and translated as girls to me.

They had no concept of idea that 'girl' was disrespectful or dismissive.
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« Reply #20 on: May 19, 2019, 11:43:06 AM »
It's not that, it's that the word for "woman" is just more official.  Same reason why diminutives for names are used.


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« Reply #21 on: June 02, 2019, 07:24:28 AM »
Guys... long story but everything went perfect!

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« Reply #22 on: June 07, 2019, 04:41:23 PM »
Best of Luck to you Man. Just dont rush yourself or become overly generous in trying to take care of her thru financial support. If you can, try to meet her parents and if at all possible, spend some time with each of them and see how they are. I wish you the best of luck!

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« Reply #23 on: June 10, 2019, 02:10:02 PM »
Best of Luck to you Man. Just dont rush yourself or become overly generous in trying to take care of her thru financial support. If you can, try to meet her parents and if at all possible, spend some time with each of them and see how they are. I wish you the best of luck!

She hasnt asked for money at any time and if she expects me to give her money it will be the end. Im very serious about this.

Already met her best friend and her father (her mom passed away)... they give me the green light.

We are meeting this week again and will be together for 2 weeks.

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« Reply #24 on: June 10, 2019, 02:43:40 PM »
alright...
the best way to deal with this issue
is just put it out of your mind...

instead, focus on how you would have fun, have a good time, enjoy each other's company
you should find out what her favorite thing is to do, and figure out a way to do it WITH her
then increase the intimacies
a touch here and there
and cook for her
...
then...after 3 days (important...3 days! not 2 not 4!)
you sit next to her
and you pull out of your back pocket
a simple jewelry box
and you look her in the eye
and you say, "this is for you"
and she opens it
and it's a diamond and sapphire necklace
and you put it on her,
you say she is the most beautiful woman you have ever seen
and you just kiss her, OK?
you smile and lean in and she will do the same...

oh, I get it, you're a beginner...
look one of the things you have to master is "body language"
not only how to read it
but how how to lead it

so during, those 3 days of sexual fasting
you need to observe this woman closely
and be in sync with her body language
if the two of you connect, i.e. instantly like and get a long with each other and be in sync with each other
then all you would have to do is lean in and close your eyes
and she will kiss YOU my man...

and I can tell, that THIS is what you REALLY want, isn't it?

ok, if you're REALLY, REALLY shy,
you can go for the half kiss
which would be, put the necklace on her, and kiss her forehead, and then give her a big hug, and step back while holding hands
she should immediately step up and give you a big kiss right back!!!!
but, be in sync with her body language before you do this
make sure you know her mood that she'll be receptive...

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