When the fantasy takes over...

[GoodOlBoy]

But I have had to many to count sex toursits or mistress hunting men on the 80-90 plus trips to Kiev and from Kiev right next to me. 

Just curious K-Star....If you could guess, what would you say was the average age of these "gentlemen" you met?


GOB

[Daveman]

From my experience, many women don't put out the effort either. Some ask me to visit them and I would tell them I need to learn more about them and talk to them on the phone and would like to see more photos of them but they make little effort to grant me my wishes. It doesn't take them much to write and ask every man out there to come visit them. So I don't visit those type of women and I'd be just another keyboard romeo in their minds that will never make a trip to the FSU. Truth is if they gave me the effort I require of them and build a friendship with me first, I'd visit.

I understand why some women don't want to give me a maximum effort and it doesn't mean they're bad. Maybe they've lost faith in the process based off bad experiences and not into trying hard. Maybe I'm attractive to their eyes but 10 other guys are better looking so they have little time to communicate with me. Maybe they have no interest in me at all and I'm just another guy who'd buy them a fancy dinner if I take them up on their offer to visit. Many other reasons. Regardless of the many reasons out there, I will only visit a woman who gives me what I want. How hard is it for her to give me more photos and some quality phone time anyway? If a sincere RW is interested and attracted to you, she will make the effort to know you and to please you. Ignore the lazy and rude RW.

Yep, undoubtedly so.  You and I have very similar approaches to this, though your communication numbers appear to dwarf mine (and I've talked with a slew).  And, both of us are still single... hmmmmmmm... must be a fluke.. 

back to the topic of remaining grounded... Here's something I do.. after checking out the photos and seeing her on webcam, I stop looking at her at all and concentrate entirely on her "inner world".  And I walk away at the first sign of something I really don't like about *her*.  Whatever that might be.  There's no way to know enough about someone to completely predict the future, however, using this model I have had good chemistry with all I met.  It was later on that the feces hit the rotary oscillator (the common theme being my draggin' out the visa process) ... but not much different than a LTR with an American lady -- most relationships do end for one reason or another. IMO, it's all about the personalities and how well they match together in meaningful ways.  Lots of pretty packages over there, so stick with the ones who *really* fit with you rather than chase the first "doll" who asks you to visit.

So, the more you focus on who she is rather than how that "who" is packaged, the more you'll learn and the better choices you'll make.  Staring at the photos feeds the fantasy by superimposing "traits" from her looks that may or may not exist. 

So, still not married, but have never been disappointed either. An amazing and wonderful journey at any rate.

[Aloe]

From my experience, many women don't put out the effort either. Some ask me to visit them and I would tell them I need to learn more about them and talk to them on the phone and would like to see more photos of them but they make little effort to grant me my wishes. It doesn't take them much to write and ask every man out there to come visit them. So I don't visit those type of women and I'd be just another keyboard romeo in their minds that will never make a trip to the FSU. Truth is if they gave me the effort I require of them and build a friendship with me first, I'd visit.

I understand why some women don't want to give me a maximum effort and it doesn't mean they're bad. Maybe they've lost faith in the process based off bad experiences and not into trying hard. Maybe I'm attractive to their eyes but 10 other guys are better looking so they have little time to communicate with me. Maybe they have no interest in me at all and I'm just another guy who'd buy them a fancy dinner if I take them up on their offer to visit. Many other reasons. Regardless of the many reasons out there, I will only visit a woman who gives me what I want. How hard is it for her to give me more photos and some quality phone time anyway? If a sincere RW is interested and attracted to you, she will make the effort to know you and to please you. Ignore the lazy and rude RW.

do you make any efforts yourself or you just sit there waiting for them to woo you ?

[Gator]

Just curious K-Star....If you could guess, what would you say was the average age of these "gentlemen" you met?

Coming from the South, I thought you would have used the term "scalawag" rather than "gentleman." 

My number of trips to the FSU is small compared to Kievstar's, yet I still have made about 25 trips.  In this limited time I too met several AM in the FSU or on the airplane.  Most were businessmen who chased RW while not doing business.  Only a couple expressed the intent of seeking marriage-minded RW.  Their ages ranged from 30-60, with most around 35-45.

I did observe from afar several AM who were on a date with a RW.  I purposely avoided these men, as I was usually with my future wife and she had no interest in meeting Americans with "white shoes, pink shirt and silly grin."  Besides, Russians just don't walk up to strangers on the street.  A small percentage of these couples were old goats with very young women, and I recall one coot who could not keep up with his "date" (he was literally out of breath - maybe she was purposefully distanting herself from him).

None of the businessmen bragged about it as an exploit.  In fact, one did say he was troubled because he was married to an AW yet really liked one RW.

Pike's trip report gives a reasonable description of what I think happens frequently when a businessman goes to the FSU with time on his hands.  When Pike wrote his trip report, there was no RWD consensus of whether his actions were "sex tourism" or simply a man giving attention to some RW who craved it.  It all depends upon whether the man misled a marriage-minded RW, and that is something we will never know. 

Repeat - we will never know, so any third-party conclusion  is unfounded gossip.

[BillyB]

do you make any efforts yourself or you just sit there waiting for them to woo you ?

I guess you haven't read my other thread in the experienced section. I just put my photo on the internet and thousands of RW write me fighting for my attention and of course affection. I make no effort to visit any of them at all and they are all crying!

[JR]

I guess you haven't read my other thread in the experienced section. I just put my photo on the internet and thousands of RW write me fighting for my attention and of course affection. I make no effort to visit any of them at all and they are all crying!

OMG!!!! This happens to you too? I have them flying in from all over the world and literally have to beat them off me with a stick

[ECOCKS]

Are they bringing the $30-50K in bearer bonds and krugerrands to pay their dowries?

[kievstar]

GOB,

To answer your question I would say all ages.  I have never met any Australians or Asians.  I do usually fly business class (upgraded for free) and probably why I also meet men of this low character.  

Gator, I think you have more experience in the dating as only 2 of my trips was to find a new girlfriend and the rest were business or meeting past girlfriends.  I have a 49 month streak of going to Ukraine.   My streak will end this October as no plans to be in Ukraine that month.  

On my flight to the USA today I was blessed with a woman who coughed up blood for 8 hours from Amsterdam.  The perks of getting upgraded to business class.  I heard she was coming to see JollyR and Billy and was having a tough time choosing and made herself sick.    joke but true on blood.  A big AW as well.  

[JR]

I guess Billy and I are going to have to duke it out for her  Take that Billy

[Turboguy]

It must be the business class that does it.   I have only made about 25 trips to the FSU, nearly all in coach since I couldn't get them to give me a discount for flying in the cargo hold.   I can't really say I met a single "dirtbag" sitting next to me flying coach.  Perhaps you should forgo the upgrade so you can get away from the dirtbags.

Of course maybe it is a relative thing, you know sorta like age.   To a 10 year old, a 20 year old is "old"  To a 40 year old, a 20 year old person is young.  Maybe that is why the people sitting next to me didn't seem like "dirtbags".

I have to agree also that I never had beautiful women sitting next to me on the flights.  Well, maybe in my single days while we were still at the gate but they always asked to have their seat changed before we took off.  I always figured it was the drooling that bothered them.