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Offline dazzler

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Kharkov Trip Report July 4th to September 13th
« on: October 15, 2009, 03:40:29 AM »
Firstly, I want to apologize to all the RWD readers for taking so long to post a TR especially as I had promised 1!!  I was weary about posting too much information as I sometimes feel people can misinterpret certain things and even twist the words to satisfy their needs and thats something I don't like about forums in general.  I also didn't want to put the mockers on my blossoming relationship that I was developing.  Past experience has taught me that whenever I think I finally found love and I therefore mention it to the whole world, something invariably goes wrong so perhaps I am little superstitious.

I don't want to write a big TR as I don't think its necessary.  I had already decided last year that I would return to Kharkov to do my 4th newspaper advert campaign and I would use the services of Mila.  This was all set in stone.  I knew for 100% that the nespaper advert worked really well for me and I knew that most of the girls I meet this way are sincere and genuine.  I had already met Mila last year and she helped me meet a few girls and I was extremely impressed with her levels of service and comittment so I was sure I had  finally found the best person to administer my newspaper advert campaign.  I read a lot of people talk about trying to cut out interpretors and whilst I agree to a point, I still think that they are an absolute must if you are not a fluent Russian speaker and if you do not know the mentality of the girls.  Of course the interpretor/guide must be good and I can confirm that Mila is very good! 

So Mila met me at the train station in Kharkov and guided me to my apartment which she also sorted out for me and I was extremly impressed with the flat.  OK, it wasn't the best apartment I had stayed in (in Kharkov), but it was everything I had asked for and the price was very good.  It was very close to the centre and the bed was so comfortable:-)) For the first 4-5 weeks of my 10 week stay, we must of met around 50 girls.  Many of them were very young and in all honesty too young for me at 18 or 19, although it was nice to have genuine choices which I do not have back home.  I think out of the 50 or so girls I met, there was about 5 or 6 that really interested me enough to want to see again.  However, a couple of them had a child and although I love children, my idea is to find someone without a child and develop a strong realtionship before considering the idea/option of having our own children.  I guess that makes me a very traditional minded person, but that is just who I am.  I am 33 years old and I must admit that in the UK it is extremely difficult to find somebody that I really like, who doesn't have either huge emotional baggage, or a child or 2.  But in Ukraine, there are definitely far more choices.  As it happens, the girl that stole my heart, I met on day 4.  Little did I know that I would meet her so early on.  Her name is Viktoryia and she is 19. 

I went in to this trip with a different attitude to my previous 3 trips.  This time I decided I would keep my options open as much as possible and not fall for 1 girl too quickly.  As it happens, I did feel myself falling for Viktoryia very quickly, but I pushed those feelings to the side and made sure I kept my options firmly open.  It is difficult because it gets tricky when there are 2 or 3 girls that you are wanting to date at the same time!!!  It is hard work and I didn't particularly enjoy it because it felt wrong.  But, I knew that I had to keep the options open because in the past I have not done that and on all ocassions, it hasn't worked out, so the lesson was firmly learned.  Interestingly enough, I get the feeling that with viktoryia, it was an entirely different situaltion from all the other girls because Viktoryia showed such a good attitude and character from the wrod go.   Maybe I chose the wrong girls in the past! 

I'll never forget on our 3rd date together when we went ice skating. Mila took photos of us ice skating together and I was trying to be the 'cool' guy who was being a little bit mean and distant.  I have never been able to pull of this tactic in the past because quite frankly, I have never had so many good options as I have in the Ukraine and therefore maybe I was much more free in the way I could behave.  In the UK, if I met a girl like Viktoryia, then I would be so clingy and so careful to not lose her because gilrs like this are extremely rare.  But with Viktoryia, I was not clingy and after the ice skating finished, we all had a couple of drinks.  What happened next was a defining moment in our relationship because I could see that Viktoryia was wanting to say something and she seemed very agitated.  She spoke with Mila and basically asked her if I was interested in her because she clearly felt I was being a little aloof.  I really wasn't prepared for this because I was just playing it cool, wanting and trying to keep my options open and I thoughtViktoryia probably wasn't  so serious because of her young age.  But when Mila told me what she said, I was absolutely over the moon and I could see that Viktoryia was looking for signs that I was really intereste din her and not just playing with her.  So I put my arms around her and embraced her!  That was followed by our first kisses together and now we both undertood that we were both very serious about each other.  That is basically how it all started.  The only problem I had after this was the fact that it became very difficult to keep my options open. Viktoryia  told me that she understood why I had to keep my options open and she was very understanding, although she hated the fact that I was meeting other girls.  After week 4 Viktoryia told me that I had just 1 more week to meet girls and then I must confirm whether I want to be with her or not.  That was fair enough, but in all honesty, I had already made my mind up.  I guess I was still learning to trust Viktoryia and I guess the fact that she was a little young kept playing on my mind.  In my experience, young girls are very rarely ready for such serious relationships, but I as the weeks unfolded, I could clearly see that Viktoryia was different to the typical 19 year old.    Each time we were together, our love for each other was growing stronger and stronger and there was no major red flags.  In a nutshell it was working.  Not only was it working, but I knew I had found an absolute gem here.  What more could I possibly need in a partner.  Viktoryia is fun, intelligent, interesting, attentive, well bred and good looking too.  OK, she is by no means perfect, but then nobody is, and that includes me.  And the fact that she is a little younger than my ideal age range (20-26), it is not the most important thing and I can live with that!

In summary, I met around 50 girls, liked about 5 or 6 of them.  Viktoryia was the best match for me by a country mile because of her excellent all round qualities.  I feel that we compliment each other perfectly.  I met Viktoryia's Mother and Grandmother as well as 1 of her best friends.  We spent around 9 weeks together and our relationship blossomed as the weeks passed.  Viktoryia was staying with me more and more too, although understandably she was unable to stay all the time due to living with her father and grandmother.  I have booked to go back to Kharkov at the beginning of November for 2 weeks.  Needless to say that me and Viktoryia are skyping with each other and regularly sending each other e-mails.  I have also called her a few times too and things seem to be going very well indeed.  She misses me so much and of course I miss her so much too.  When I return to Kharkov, I shall bring her my old laptop with lots of english resources loaded on to it.  Viktoryia does speak quite good English although she can improve.  She learned English in school for 5 years and I am confident she will become fluent in the near future.  I have also been learning Russian for over 2 years and thats coming on slowly.  Basically everything is good so far.  In 20 days we shall be together again and we will see how things continue to develop.  I certainly hope they do!  Mila has already found us a lovely apartment which sounds amazing.  Again, it is a very good price and it sounds like it will be perfect for me and Viktoryia.  My plan is to visit Viktoryia every 6-7 weeks for 2 weeks at a time over the course of the next year or so.  It will mean me working extremly long hours every week in between, but that is a price worth paying as far as I am concerned.

I have to end this brief TR now as I must sleep.  If anyone wants to ask me anything about the newspaper ad camapign then please feel free to pm me.  I can highly recommend Mila without any hesitation as I worked closely with her for 10 weeks and she did an excellent job. 

During this trip I also met a few girls through love.ru.mail and mail.ru (I forgot exact names) dating sites and I also met a few girls through an agency in Kharkov too.  I have now used 3 different agencies as well as numerous free and pay dating sites and was not impressed with any of those methods.  The only method that has impressed me so far is the newspaper ad, but that is just my opinion based on what has felt right for me.  Maybe agencie and dating sites can work for other people.

P.S. had to write this in wordpad and could  not use emoticons as my bloody laptop keeps bloody crashing.  I had twice before written this TR and it crashed on me.  So thats the reason for the blandness.  Please undersrtand......
I have found in life that everybody is correct in what they say.  The problem is that they are only partially correct.

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Re: Kharkov Trip Report July 4th to September 13th
« Reply #1 on: October 15, 2009, 10:28:37 AM »
Very nice write-up.  Thanks for posting it.

Things sound pretty good with you and Viktoria.  I have only one major quibble.

You wrote:  "Each time we were together, our love for each other was growing stronger and stronger and there was no major red flags."

Sorry, but I must opine that there cannot be love this early in the game. Excitement, infatuation, etc., yes; but not love.

I congratulate you for taking the intelligent and logical approach of VM.

It was good that you were able to meet multiple women without major jealously blow-ups.  Even Vikotria gave you some leeway - - - up to a point.

I haven't found the FSUW I met to be quite so tolerant as this.  It is unfortunate that they are not more tolerant as it could lead to more open discussions and relations that would result in much better matches for both the man and woman.

I lost one of my very best prospects when she saw me with another woman.  It was unrealistic that she (best prospect) felt that she owned me so early in the budding relationship, but that was the way she looked at it.  No amount of reasoning would budge her from the position that I had betrayed her beyond repair.

On the web based match sites, the men are corresponding with multiple women and the women are corresponding with multiple men.  Every logical and rational person knows this.  But somehow, once you arrive in their city, each woman feels you can only meet with her . . . even though she has multiple men who may arrive over time to see her.  It is just a totally crazy position that they take.
« Last Edit: October 15, 2009, 10:46:49 AM by Mars »
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Re: Kharkov Trip Report July 4th to September 13th
« Reply #2 on: October 16, 2009, 03:53:32 AM »
Some very good points here Mars. I can't disagree with anything you wrote here. 

Yes, I have found that girls get very jelous in general when you try to keep yolur options open and they don't fully understand the whys and wherefores of why we are keeping our options open.  I guess they have a point.  But... It can be frustrating when you do go exclusive with 1 girl and then they leave you high and dry.  It happened to me on 3 ocassions and on all 3 ocassions those girls found another man not long after.  But... for many of us guys visiting the FSU, it is not so easy to do this (else we wouldn't be visiting the FSU!).  So its a tricky 1.  Viktoryia was very understanding and she did get it.  But I think a lot of girls think that foreign men are just there to play around which I guess some are?  I wouldn't know about such men because it has never been my idea nor have I personally met any man that acts in this way. 

Yes, you are right that there cannot be true love so early on.  I do agree 100%  We were both very careful and took our time to get to know each other and actually things developed in a very natural way and were not rushed in any way whatsoever.  I perhaps didn't convey this very well in the TR.  I was tired when I wrote it and actually I am writing it some 3 and a half months after we first met! I suppose what I really meant to convey was that our feelings grew each time we met and in this sense I was using the word love very loosely indeed!
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Re: Kharkov Trip Report July 4th to September 13th
« Reply #3 on: March 23, 2010, 05:46:06 AM »
Hi Dazzler,

I was considering using Mila for an ad campaign/interpreter. Can you let me know an email that I can get a hold of you on??

Jim from Chicago
USA


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Re: Kharkov Trip Report July 4th to September 13th
« Reply #4 on: March 23, 2010, 02:37:54 PM »
You may want to pm dazzler - has not been on since December 13, 2009. 

 

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