Wow this is awkward..

[Eduard]

I disagree with AJ's comment.I think it is personal.What these agencies and agency women do is reprehensible,in that they play with men's emotions,and mislead them.
As Zeke said earlier,these must be some cold-hearted women,and it doesn't say much for FSU women in general,when so many of them are happy to scam foreign men,financially and emotionally. : (
Sure,not all the men contacting these women are nice guys,but a lot of genuine,sincere men are getting hurt by these agencies and their women.

I agree with you, it's a shame that many nice, genuine guys get hurt by some of these agencies. On the other hand some of these guys contact me first, we talk, I tell them like it is-the reality of things and what do you think they do next? ...right, they sign up with these agencies. I guess the photos of beautiful, sexy, young girls, seemingly "desperate for love and marriage to a WM" will win over common sense and a dose of reality in many cases.

[tim 360]

I disagree with AJ's comment.I think it is personal.What these agencies and agency women do is reprehensible,in that they play with men's emotions,and mislead them.
As Zeke said earlier,these must be some cold-hearted women,and it doesn't say much for FSU women in general,when so many of them are happy to scam foreign men,financially and emotionally. : (
Sure,not all the men contacting these women are nice guys,but a lot of genuine,sincere men are getting hurt by these agencies and their women.

Chelseaboy,  Actually this is a very small percentage of RW's who engage in this and as far as reprehensible?  Ya know how many screwed-up plain flat-out wierdo's they get to deal with it the chit and chat?  More than either of us could believe.  They get 65 year old lonely Grandpa's who want to send them money telling them they love them and guys who want to show off ALL of their bodies.  For them its--just the internet gig with guys who will usually never show up but just want to type and talk.  They make a couple of bucks and thats it. 

The sincere genuine guys you mention who are getting hurt really need to grow up, grow a tough skin and realize the internet is the internet and everything is not for real.  If you and your sincere genuine guys want to meet sincere genuine RW's you gotta go there.  Period.  All this chit and chat don't mean a thing until you are face to face. 

I am pretty sure that genuine sincere RW's are hurt by insincere WM just as much.  If you want reality--get on the plane and stay away from aqll the corrupt agencies. :noidea:

[tim 360]

I agree with you, it's a shame that many nice, genuine guys get hurt by some of these agencies. On the other hand some of these guys contact me first, we talk, I tell them like it is-the reality of things and what do you think they do next? ...right, they sign up with these agencies. I guess the photos of beautiful, sexy, young girls, seemingly "desperate for love and marriage to a WM" will win over common sense and a dose of reality in many cases.

They fall in love with a pretty photo.  A face on the screen.  They don't believe you.  You must be lying to them to intrude on their personal fantasy.  They believe the photo and their own little fantasy--which they get to pay for.  Gullible or foolish?  I don't know.  Maybe niave?

[Jack]

HRB is an aggregator providing video chat and other technologies to hundreds of small local agencies in Ukraine to connect them with WM.
 
All the bad stuff is happening on Ukrainian soil.
Ed

 
So eduard, is HRB not providing video chat to the many small local agencies in Russia?   
 
And with your statement "All the bad stuff is happening on Ukrainian soil." are you indicating that nothing bad is happening with the many HRB agencies in Russia?   (agencies in St. Petersburg, Saratov, Omsk, Pskov, Barnaul, Novgorod, Togliatti, Veliky Novogorod, Kaliningrad, just to name some of the Russian cities associated with HRB)

[Eduard]

jack, forgive me, but I'm clicking the "ignore button" on you. I'm not interested in anything you have to say. I hope you feel better soon.

[Jack]

gee, I'm sorry if my question offended you eduard. When I saw you passing on advice to the guys here on RWD and indicated that with regards to HRB all the bad things were happening in Ukraine,  was just wanting to clarify that you must be indicating the HRB operation in Russia must be legit.


Glad your concerned for my health and I'm feeling great, thank you. 

[kievstar]

A man who visits in agency in person will spend less than $1,000 with the agency.  Very few men visit.

Many men will write letters and not visit and have no problem spending $100 usd a month or $1,200 usd a year.

They say less than 5% of men actually visit.

So if you take 10,000 men and they spend $500 a year on letters on average you have $5 million usd.  If you take 5% of the men who visit and agency gets $500 than you have $250,000.

You can play with the numbers above but easier for an agency to be in the cookie letter writing business.

My wife recently got an email from her friend.  Her friend is a real model and 19 years old.  She was offered $15,000 usd if she would do a photo shoot for an agency.  She turned it down but I bet other Ukraine women would not.  Only need 2,300 letters to get the money back on the $15,000 usd investment.  Some women pull in 5,000 letters a month on the agencies site.  Do you really think a woman has time to read and write back.  Please.  If she is good looking and under 30 years old, she is not reading letters.

Every woman I ever wanted to meet on Aweb showed up for a meeting face to face.  But I did not mess around with women less than 26 years old. 

[Jumper]

I should clarify-

It being personal, and taking it personally are two different things..
if it happens to YOU , it;s going to be personal regardless right?

but this is not some "individual" dreaming and scheming of specific ways or methods to screw you out of the most $$ possible.
to me that's personal.

Rather this is a business model.Used by many agenciers.. to various degrees.
Tim barely touched on the shear volume of guys that write, are married or certainly NEVER intend to travel, they just like to chat with a hot chick.THAt is by far the big majority, for a RW to find any sincere man there is much harder than a foriegn man to find a sincere RW there..IMHO.
No, this doesnt justify a scam..but the "poor innocent* guys ,just looking for a nice girl ,
that are *harmed* by misleading correspondence  on a site named HOT Russian brides by women with screen names like love4you, loveyoulongtime,  hotsexybabe, sensualpoison etc..
is a bit ironic don't you think?

Who is to say that ANY of the women zeke was writing, if he showed up in her city,
and took her seriously wouldnt have met him?
yes they may also already have a b/f ...

 i'd wager many of the women he recieved "fake " latters from, if he actually went there would meet with him, and a certain percentage would be sincere in thier interest.
It would be up to him to do his due diligence, and as noted for several pages, it isn't a good agency to use.

she wasnt the one contacting him? dint know the questions about pets,,
I certainly dont doubt it ,and this has happened in almost any agency you can name
like it or not, a lot of romances have started by an agency sending out a few feeler letters,
 write or wrong thats the reality.

There was an easy means to avoid that, either go there directly (as kievstar mentioned)
 or spend $$ on vid chat, then he would know it was the same girl..same querstions and be speaking directly with who he sees.. but that takes a commitment on a known poor site,, and  would run the risk of losing money on someone that was  insincere.

This is the very same risk anyone takes,by most any long distance method,
so it's about the degree of risk, and the past mens experiences with women from spercific agencies, or specific methods.


I'm not defending sites like HRB or Aweb,
or the actions of some of the affliates in the FSU

just injected some reality, thier business model wouldnt be profditable or exist,
if the vast majority of men on those sites were serious.
It's really that simple.
They proviode a fanstasy and entertauinment for a certian clientel.
It is the vast BULK of their business.


Simply don't use them if you can't sort thru that.

[Vinnvinny]

My wife recently got an email from her friend.  Her friend is a real model and 19 years old.  She was offered $15,000 usd if she would do a photo shoot for an agency.  She turned it down but I bet other Ukraine women would not. 

I don't believe that sorry. Somebody has got their wires crossed somewhere.

[Ravens9273]

My wife recently got an email from her friend.  Her friend is a real model and 19 years old.  She was offered $15,000 usd if she would do a photo shoot for an agency.  She turned it down but I bet other Ukraine women would not.  Only need 2,300 letters to get the money back on the $15,000 usd investment.  Some women pull in 5,000 letters a month on the agencies site.  Do you really think a woman has time to read and write back.  Please.  If she is good looking and under 30 years old, she is not reading letters.

This is way way overboard.
Most Supermodels would not turn down a $15,000 photoshoot unless they already had another job paying more at the time.
The average model (not a celebrity supermodel) makes $200 to $500 a day being a model. The girl would be a fool to turn down $15,000 much less to do so in Ukraine.

Also AWeb only pays agencies $1.50 per letter. I know many agencies who work with AWeb and the standard is to also give half of that $1.50 to the translator as their pay, leaving the agency only $0.75 per letter.
It will take alot more then 2300 letters to get their investment back. More so 20,000 letters.
The agency would also be caught long before that could happen.
This would obviously be a young lady who would not be meeting men or conducting web chats if she was only being paid for a photoshoot. While yes many men do not visit she would have someone visit if she is so beautiful and the agency would be caught being fined and dropped by AWeb. This would happen long before the $15,000 would be collected again.
$150 is more realistic. It is enough to excite a young lady in Ukraine and enough the agency is safe. Anything above that is rediculous.

Not trying to give you a hard time Kiev but you really should have read what you wrote before posting. Hoping the explanation is you hit a few extra 0's by accident.

[Rubicon]

I don't believe that sorry. Somebody has got their wires crossed somewhere.

ditto.  the average woman in Ukraine makes maybe $2-300 per month.  no way she would turn down an insane amount of money for photos.  maybe she was offered 1500 grivna.

[Eduard]

I don't believe that sorry. Somebody has got their wires crossed somewhere.

I agree, Vinn, it doesn't make sense. If she is a professional model, she would probably get in the area of $150 in Ukraine. Maybe a little more or maybe a little less. As of now I only heard of one girl in Ukraine who supposedly gets a $100,000 for an unprofessional photo shoot, according to an unreliable source.

[Vinnvinny]

As of now I only heard of one girl in Ukraine who supposedly gets a $100,000 for an unprofessional photo shoot, according to an unreliable source.

I don't believe that either!!! 

[ECOCKS]

Having had a couple of clients in the fashion publishing industry I find several points about this suspect.

1.) The amount. One publisher indicated that a truly famous Ukrainian model only made $10K for an automotive shoot involving the greater portions of three days. $15,000 for a single shoot is incredible in Ukraine and I would find it impossible to imagine a woman turning it down unless it was a porn shoot.

2.) The relative amount. I would have any of my female relatives take that job if offered and no porn was involved.

3.) The amount for payback probably is very optimistic but I sincerely doubt they would pay even a tenth that much when they are able to lift photos from around the net or Photoshop existing sets.

4.) If you're already lying about identity and motivation who would really care about paying known women to do this sort of thing? Yes, women get free photo shoots from some of the agencies in return for their income-earning potential but again this amount is off the scale for anything in Ukraine. Women, stunningly attractive ones, would be lining up for these jobs and the economy would be booming if this was the case.

So, while there is a ton of hype out there, there's no reason to swing the pendulum too far the other direction in an effort to counter the myths.

[acctBill]

My wife recently got an email from her friend.  Her friend is a real model and 19 years old.  She was offered $15,000 usd if she would do a photo shoot for an agency. 

kievstar even in Russia no 19 year old model is going to be paid $15,000US for a photo shoot, not unless she also works the catwalks of Paris and London and has been featured on the front page of Vogue. Not a chance a Ukrainian model would be offered this type of money for a photo shoot. 

[mies]

Ive only been on 2 months

So you joined a dating site 1 month after divorce?
Are you ready to get married again within the nearest 1.5-2 years?

[mies]

I don't believe that sorry. Somebody has got their wires crossed somewhere.

me neither. Why would someone offer $15K for something that can be purchased for... tiny fraction of 15K?
The girls for photo shoot can be found in Ukraine at "5 kopeeks a bunch" price.  

[tim 360]

My wife recently got an email from her friend.  Her friend is a real model and 19 years old.  She was offered $15,000 usd if she would do a photo shoot for an agency.  She turned it down but I bet other Ukraine women would not.    

I am guessing Kievstar had a typo with a couple too many zeros or maybe the girl did.  But maybe not.  15K for a day shoot is supermodel money in the west and agency payback math he posts seems fuzzy to me.  If agencies were paying 15K for a one day shoot all the worldwide supermodels would be there taking gigs.

[Eduard]

I am guessing Kievstar had a typo with a couple too many zeros or maybe the girl did. 

Kievstar strikes me as a good, honest guy. So I suspect that the 19yo prolly exaggerated a bit as some young people do at times