The Effect of Familiarity

[OlgaH]

Nature has a given us a very good toolkit in the form of our nose.

Without it we taste nothing

Though senses of smell and taste are closely interrelated the primary organ for tasting is the mouth, and nose is responsible for the sense of smell

http://www.biog1105-1106.org/demos/105/unit10/tastesmell.html

[Gator]

I have never heard people saying that they use imagination to image making sex with the same partner with whom they really are engaged in sex.

Imagination not about another person, but imagination in the creative sense to add variety, to break away from the routine, to add fun and adventure (different positions, different locations, risky situations, toys, roles, food, costumes, tricks, ….).  The joy of sex.

Frankly I found RW less sexually adventurous than AW.  However my RW sample size is much smaller, and language is a barrier.

...as familiarity between the sexual partners grows, they start imaging somebody else as their sexual partner to get into the appropriate mood for sex. 

Having fantasies is normal.  Most are healthy.   
 

[Boethius]

Could you explain why you think that familiarity may desensitize only children living together but not adults? Married adults certainly have plenty of opportunities to see each other naked, haven’t they?

I believe the theory is that these effects occur during the first six years of life.

[SANDRO43]

Though senses of smell and taste are closely interrelated the primary organ for tasting is the mouth, and nose is responsible for the sense of smell

The mouth can only discriminate 5 basic tastes: sweet, sour, salty, bitter and umami (Japanese for brothy/meaty/savoury, first identified in 1908 by K. Ikeda of the Tokyo Imperial University), for the rest it has to rely on help from the nose to detect flavour:

Olfaction, taste and trigeminal receptors together contribute to flavor. The human tongue can distinguish only among five distinct qualities of taste, while the nose can distinguish among hundreds of substances, even in minute quantities. It is during exhalation that the olfaction contribution to flavor occurs, in contrast to that of proper smell which occurs during the inhalation phase

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olfaction

A bad cold blocking the nose airways seriously impairs the appreciation of food, or other smelly substances .

[OlgaH]

They (the most cited authority in the US, BTW   ) say familiarity produces contempt.

However, recently I learned about empirical evidence that suggests that there is some truth in the adage. Although familiarity does NOT produce contempt, it breeds sexual disinterest to the person you are closely familiar with.  For example, a study of an Israel community (wherein children live with their peers and separate from their families, and are in constant interaction with their peers , from birth to maturity) revealed that despite parental encouragement of marriage within their peer group, there was NO one instance, among 125 couples,  in which both mates were reared in the same peer group. Familiarity with each other not only deterred them from marrying each other, it also made them avoiding any sexual relations among themselves.


The question is "Is it possible for couples to remain actively interested in each other sexually after years of marriage... or marriage is a social construct which compels humans to behave unnaturally for the sake of providing a better care for offspring "?

The arguments between followers of the Westermarck's theory and the Freud's theory are still going on and the studies as well. Westermarck's theory is "neither laws nor customs but an instinct makes sexual love between the nearest kin a physical impossibility" ("History of Human Marriage"), and the Freud's theory is that  the sexual attraction between members of the same family is natural and the desire for incest is ubiquitous so it must be repressed with taboos. The case of children who grew up in the same kibbutz is an example of Westermarck effect. The kibbutz children see the other children from the same kibbutz simply as siblings and they tend to look for mates outside their kibbutz. It more looks like according to Westermarck it would be inbreeding-avoidance.  I would not project Westermarck effect (or take it as an example) onto already existing marriages between people who had not grow up as "siblings" and more over marriages between people from different cultures as there would be different reasons for loss or lack of sexual interest between spouses or of one of spouses and one of reasons can be "a worn-out novelty and a trivial daily routine  " IMO of course.  

[OlgaH]

for the rest it has to rely on help from the nose to detect flavour:

I don't argue about flavour, but I would not recommend to use nose before eating durian  

[Eduard]

If we are gonna get technical, then I'd like to point out that pheromones are sensed not by the nose, but by a special organ called VNO (I can't remember what it stands for right now, I read about this prolly 10-15 years ago. True, VNO is located inside our noses but it has nothing to do with the sense of smell. It's a completely separate, independent organ and sense that sends signals directly to our subconscious, bypassing the conscious mind.

[OlgaH]

If we are gonna get technical, then I'd like to point out that pheromones are sensed not by the nose, but by a special organ called VNO (I can't remember what it stands for right now, I read about this prolly 10-15 years ago. True, VNO is located inside our noses but it has nothing to do with the sense of smell. It's a completely separate, independent organ and sense that sends signals directly to our subconscious, bypassing the conscious mind.

The functionality of the human vomeronasal organ is still questionable, I think. 

[SANDRO43]

If we are gonna get technical, then I'd like to point out that pheromones are sensed not by the nose, but by a special organ called VNO (I can't remember what it stands for right now, I read about this prolly 10-15 years ago. True, VNO is located inside our noses but it has nothing to do with the sense of smell. It's a completely separate, independent organ and sense that sends signals directly to our subconscious, bypassing the conscious mind.

If we are going to get technical:

- Pheromones are volatile chemicals much like any other smelly substance.
- The existence of human sex pheromones is still debated. Androstadienone, a component of male sweat, is a candidate, detected by the receptors in our olfactory mucosa, not by the VNO.
- The presence and functionality of the VNO in humans is widely controversial, though most studies agree the organ regresses during fetal development (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vomeronasal_organ) - Similarly to the G-spot .
- Anyway, the VNO is suitably located in our main organ for inhalation - the nose, our analytical lab for ALL smells.
- You should not mix neurophysiology with psychology, nobody knows where our subconscious is located - some even question its existence . See also http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=6604.msg120236#msg120236.

[BC]

At RWD there are a lot of theories how to get things done WMVM WOVO etc etc..

Although it sound strange, might try sending sweaty T-shirts and worn panties to each other..

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/evolution/library/01/6/l_016_08.html

I doubt the results would be proven less effective than other 'methods' discussed here, and as far as fun factor goes some might really enjoy the experience.

(patent pending - new MOB dating method)

[Gator]

Although it sound strange, might try sending sweaty T-shirts and worn panties to each other..

Many years ago in a long letter writing campaign, one Moscow RW was thinking about what to send me as a gift.  She suggested:  "my panties with my 'scent.' " (her words).

Her letters had other such jewels.

She was lively and impassioned yet 100% sincere.  We never got together except once for lunch.  Fine woman.  If she had sent me those panties maybe....

[Eduard]

Many years ago in a long letter writing campaign, one Moscow RW was thinking about what to send me as a gift.  She suggested:  "my panties with my 'scent.' " (her words).

Her letters had other such jewels.

She was lively and impassioned yet 100% sincere.  We never got together except once for lunch.  Fine woman.  If she had sent me those panties maybe....

and if enough women send you their panties you can set up a stand at all yoga classes in the area and sell them there! Could be a nice little side business for you:))) You can call this business "Gator's secret". You;d have to get them washed first, off course. And that's going to be the "secret" part 
But on the other hand, if you want to save money on laundry detergent you could sell them unwashed on ebay under "The scent of a beautiful Russian woman" TM name. If you do, I want a percentage for giving you the idea! 

[OlgaH]

You can call this business "Gator's secret". You;d have to get them washed first, off course. And that's going to be the "secret" part  

To get them washed first?
Ed, many years ago when MOB industry was passionately alluring Westerners with different myths, "Gator's secret", most likely would have a success with unwashed panties - "Scent of... a Russian Woman" and "How to get your Russian panties"

[SANDRO43]

You can call this business "Gator's secret".

No news there, the Japs have been at it for years, first in burusera shops:

In August 1994, a burusera shop manager who made a schoolgirl sell her used underwear was arrested by the Tokyo Metropolitan Police Department on suspicion of violation of article 34 of the Child Welfare Act and article 175 of the Criminal Code. The Police exposed the company and the owner under suspicion of violation of the Secondhand Articles Dealer Act which bans the purchase of secondhand goods without authorization.

Which led some imaginative Jap to think of recurring to vending machines rather than shops :

There was thus a waiting market for "schoolgirl panties" machines, in that those looking to obtain such items would not have to brave a bura-sera shop to fulfill their desires. These mechanical points of sale appeared in 1993 in Chiba City (Chiba Prefecture), in an area known for its porn magazine and adult video vending machines...Almost immediately, an outcry was raised against them, but there was a problem in getting them removed: whereas sellers required licences to distribute other types of goods, no such requirement was on the books for soiled underwear, because no one had foreseen the possibility of trade in such an item. These machines existed outside the law in the sense that no specific statute existed that could be invoked to combat them. Previously-worn panties were being offered for sale in vending machines. The used underwear had supposedly been worn by schoolgirls and were being sold for the equivalent of US $50 apiece.

The solution was as creative as it is odd-sounding -- the machines were countered by invoking the Antique Dealings Law, a statute which stipulates that an antique dealer or a dealer in second-hand items must obtain permission from local authorities. Lacking those permissions, the items could not be vended.

[Gator]

...you could sell them unwashed on ebay under "The scent of a beautiful Russian woman" TM name. If you do, I want a percentage for giving you the idea! 

Splendid business idea.  Unwashed for sure, or otherwise they are nothing more than second hand underwear.

To get the business going, we need more than one line.  We need panties from Latin women, Asians, etc.  However, it seems we would have to pay a premium for Japanese panties based on Sandro's research.

There may be need for fat women's panties too - there are many sick men out there with varied "tastes."

Rather than ebay, I will list them with pervbay.

Rather than marketing to just the perverts, we could sell them to couples  too familiar with each other.  The woman could wear the scented panties to hide her own scent, the same as hunters during deer season.


I guess vwrw's thread is done.

[Eduard]

To get them washed first?
Ed, many years ago when MOB industry was passionately alluring Westerners with different myths, "Gator's secret", most likely would have a success with unwashed panties - "Scent of... a Russian Woman" and "How to get your Russian panties"

only in the case of reselling them to other women to be worn by them. If he sells to men, no need to wash off course. It's elementary my dear

[OlgaH]

only in the case of reselling them to other women to be worn by them.

That's what I'm talking about. Why would American women, for example purchase, the washed panties worn by Russian women  I think it is just very elementary to understand that the business of "Russian Woman's Scent" selling probably would be much easy and no any hassle with washing    He also probably could put a banner on RWD and on some dating websites. "getarussianpanties!" 

[Eduard]

That's what I'm talking about. Why would American women, for example purchase, the washed panties worn by Russian women  I think it is just very elementary to understand that the business of "Russian Woman's Scent" selling probably would be much easy and no any hassle with washing    He also probably could put a banner on RWD and on some dating websites. "getarussianpanties!" 

Olga, you are a genious! I'm going on godaddy right now and registering getrussianpanties.com  it will go great with my getrussianwife.com! 

[OlgaH]

Olga, you are a genious! I'm going on godaddy right now and registering getrussianpanties.com  it will go great with my getrussianwife.com! 

Thanks Ed! You are so kind. Just out of my generosity     

[JR]

Nor Alabamian brothers and sheep!   

Nor California mothers and sons, ewwwww ((((

Contempt is bred from familiarity which leads to boredom. Fight boredom, be somebody else...

[Jumper]

lol! married sybil lately JR?
I hear it's not as much fun as it sounds ..?



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Overall "the grass is always greener" seems to be a pretty common human condition,
often so compelling that few (man or women) can live up to thier own personal moral, or ethical ,codes.

isn't it that simple?



The studies on familiarity,, causing a loss of sexual interest ,seem to be more about children  rasied together??

If the same parameters where used on adults put together after sexual maturity,, i'm not convinced the findings would pan out the same..