Anastasia Date.... Are they taken seriously?

[BillyB]

I am surprised no one here caught the fact K was going to choose an AD agency office....in almost 5 years, I've never seen one

Most agencies you see in the FSU go by an independent name but have a contract with a big agency. The may be affiliated with AFA, AD, HRB/RLM etc.... Big agencies need lots of little feeder agencies to operate.

Even AD's antiscam policy said it would fine an agency if a lady is scamming so they are acknowledging they are doing business with smaller agencies.

"In all cases where improper or dishonest behavior is found, Anastasia International scam and anti-scam unit removes the Russian or Ukraine lady from her system, fines the lady’s agency and issues a refund to her member."

http://www.anastasiadate.com/anastasia-anti-scam-policy.html

[Faux Pas]

I am surprised no one here caught the fact K was going to choose an AD agency office....in almost 5 years, I've never seen one

LA, I think several caught on to that invariable fact as several pointed him towards EM. If he chooses AD, should he succumb to the eye candy and libido marketing it'll be at his own peril. He's got good information, what he choses to do with it is up to him. There's been many guys that showed up at RWD because of AD. Some by chance and some with a gut feeling they couldn't shake. KL strikes me as intelligent enough to know whether it's raining or he's getting pee'd on. Hopefully he won't have to get pee'd on but if he does, ca sera sera. Despite everything we do here, some moths can't turn away from the flame, yanno?  

FP....yes they can be warned...but warned of the entire process, not just of certain sites, to look in the mirror and really be realistic in what they are looking for, if not, the beauty of FSU girls can melt them like butter. There was a guy recently here that was looking for good honest sites to look for a girl....guesss what, half of posts were EM...... now you've got a 50+ yr old guy searching for 20 something girls on EM...was he really helped???

Doesn't a warning of the entire process start with where they are and what got them there? If it's one site at a time or an entire list I don't really see what your beef is there. If a site is bad, we shouldn't hesitate to tell what we do know should we? I am at the point where if a 50 year old man is seeking a 20 something, he does deserve everything he gets, or doesn't get. I'm not on the age gap bandwagon despite my position on other threads. I only caution guys in this endeavor to stay firmly planted in reality. The girl that young enough to be your daughter, you're thinking of going to see and dating, should be dating your son.

I have a question..... when I hear agency, I think of the local marriage agency of the girl's city( which I think is where most of scamming exists) and I think of the internet sites( which most know of: EM, AD, Global........) as 'sites'. I get confused when someone mentions an 'agency' and is talking about a site.

IMHO an agency referred to in a negative light is one where their motivation is to keep one paying as opposed helping them find a woman for marriage. Let's face the facts, many or most men in the pursuit aren't looking for a woman for a real life relationship and the big agencies pander to that. It's the sincere men that get caught up in it is where the travesties are as well as the sincere ladies that have to play the agency game

[erudite]

You giving men the green light to walk a minefield? You may have found your lady there but you probably got ripped off in other ways that you're not talking about. There are much better ways to find real women without all the hassles. I seen too many guys thinking they can outsmart the big agencies only to come out lighter in their wallet.

Actually I have confidence in the methods I used and they are easily utilized. If I could do it anyone could and not waste a lot of money or time on women that were not worth the effort.  Again as I stated before, I had my choice quite honestly of three or four women that I could have begun a serious relationship with.  I selected one.  I might add that everyone of them quit the agency during the time I knew them.  There are other men who have done the same as I have with Anastasia.  Using the big head and common sense is the key.

During this time I had made up my mind if I was unsuccessful through my methods and all these ladies did not "pan out", I would engage Ed.  His is probably the most logical and realistic approach I have seen.  When I began I did not know of him or his specialized service.

[Kapitanleutnant]

You know,

There's probably guys here who just go to some city in the UA and simply have the best luck, meet the best women, and everything runs flawlessly, no blips at all.    Others.... just the opposite.    I think for the most part, a successful trip is due to research, determination and more research.   However, anytime you add the human emotion into ANY equation in life.... and certainly this qualifies, you cannot really predict the outcome the way you might if you had no human emotion in the same equation.  

I hear on several different forums of guys writing to a few special woman for months and months, going to meet her in UA and much to his chagrin, there is absolutely no chemistry.   Conversely, guys who write some just because she has always and loyally written back but he doesn't have much interest in her due to lack of physical chemistry.... and meets her face to face and says, wow.... she looks much better than her pics and she's really nice and sweet.    

So, there is only so much you can do research wise.  Bottom line is, one just has to go to do this live and in person.   You almost have to become a citizen of the city you're visiting and continue to make connections either thru simply street meetings or hire an agency for introductions.

I personally, have gotten a renewed sense of Russia vs UA and someone put a link to the Moscow and St. Pete Times with classifieds in the back section.   Through that, I found "Eurodates" which seems pretty good, and in fact, I have another thread going about the yays and nays of this outfit to use.   Seems a bit pricey is my first reaction to them.    Anyone here know of them or used them?   They have women listed in Moscow, St. Pete and Kiev.  

I have still not decided just how I plan to approach this whole project.   One thing I'm pretty certain of here is that I am feeling the large agency tours is just too commercial and gimmicky for me.   I did do this in the past, had a fun time, so I am thinking I will seek my own local agency, knowing all the potential pot holes going this route.    What I may do is simply try to meet some women in Moscow while on an airline layover there so it's on "their dime" so to speak.  

The more I read on RWD, the more educated I feel and certainly "Knowledge is Power" is something I firmly believe in.  

Kapitan

[Daveman]

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So, there is only so much you can do research wise.  Bottom line is, one just has to go to do this live and in person.   You almost have to become a citizen of the city you're visiting and continue to make connections either thru simply street meetings or hire an agency for introductions.

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Yes and no...

>>Bottom line is, one just has to go to do this live and in person<<

Yes, that is pretty much the bottom line... and you CAN make connections any way you want but the other bottom line is that this, in its most basic and useful form, is still simply "boy meets girl" or better yet "interested boy meets interested girl" - however you meet her, through whatever connection process.  But you still need to perform the mating rituals (court/woo/win/blahblahblah) - chase her until she catches you.. you know what I mean.  This can be a little different as an FSUW may not take any initiative at all at the beginning, and that doesn't mean she's not interested, it just means that she expects you to lead the process. Or, she may take ONLY enough initiative to stay in the picture while still waiting for you to make the moves. 

If you like "chasing" ladies at home, you'll have very little problem in the FSU (as long as you are chasing women who are actually interested in you.. and interestingly, some, maybe many FSUW seem to find an interest in you simply BECAUSE you have a high interest in them, or a sustained interest over time - which could be either good or bad depending upon other the factors). If you like to BE chased (as AW can have a tendency to do sometimes) you may not be so lucky there. 

Just kinda random thoughts directed at no one in particular really...

The problem, as I see it, with Aweb, HRB, etc.. is you have a lot of "interested boy chases girl making a living chatting with men who doesn't really date the clientelle" or "Interested boy chases a photo who isn't the one writing back".. or "keyboard Romeo feigns interest to play whacky whack at his computer so why not hire barbie's to make a profit from it"

You can find/meet/marry a woman from Anastasia or any of those sites. The game maze is just more convoluted with more pitfalls than say Elenas Models, or other sites such as Mamba (though that's a bit different maze).  It's all a maze anyway - finding a truly compatible partner, love, etc. - just the maze you choose to play could have more or less complexity during the initial levels... 

[dbneeley]

Kapitan,

There are a number of methods that can work. I quite agree about the large agency tours, but I have met many former clients of Jack Bragg's First Dream tours (at his annual picnics in the Dallas area). They, and several men on this and the RUA forum had many good things to say about the service and the methods he uses, which seem to contrast greatly with the large tours. Of course, Jack limits his tours to a dozen men at a time, as I understand it.

There are also people who do individual service as guides and translators, and a few of whom help screen many local ladies through their ads on Russian language free introduction sites.

From all you have said, I'd probably look into one of Jack's tours with a reasonable amount of research up front so you can develop a few individual ladies whom you'd like to invite to one of his socials in their local areas. To me, that would seem a fairly efficient method to proceed.

Local agencies are certainly possible, but walking in without knowing much about them can be a coin flip as to whether they are dealing honestly with the men or not.

Otherwise, I'd be seriously looking at hiring your own guide/translator. There are several on various of these boards who seem quite worthwhile--and they can save you much time and grief compared to relying on the often less-than-ideal translators through many of the agencies.

David

[JR]

I used it and found many very good women.  I met a number of them and they were real.  I had my pick of several in fact until I found the woman I will bring to the USA.  We are in the process of filing a K1 now. You just have to find the way to work around their system and the scammers. It's not rocket science and it is not difficult.  But you have to use the big head on your shoulders and not the other one.

Proof positive there are always exceptions to every rule....))) But I would caution that it requires extra alertness and a great big B.S. meter along with the ability to read it and adhere to it.

[LAman]

Proof positive there are always exceptions to every rule....))) But I would caution that it requires extra alertness and a great big B.S. meter along with the ability to read it and adhere to it.

Is it really 'exceptions to every rule' when I guy uses his brain and reality to know some 20+ beauty is just entertaining him, STOP LOOKING AT THE PICTURES...I mean to spend $$$ on endless letters then crying wolf that he was being 'used'........here we use something called buyer beware.

I guess I have half a brain.....I seem to do ok on AD......timely letters for 1-2 months, contact info in < 1 month....... then a visit.

If I had to venture to say, K the OP, seems to LOOK AT PICS a lot!!!!!!

[JR]

Is it really 'exceptions to every rule' when I guy uses his brain and reality to know some 20+ beauty is just entertaining him, STOP LOOKING AT THE PICTURES...I mean to spend $$$ on endless letters then crying wolf that he was being 'used'........here we use something called buyer beware.

I guess I have half a brain.....I seem to do ok on AD......timely letters for 1-2 months, contact info in < 1 month....... then a visit.

If I had to venture to say, K the OP, seems to LOOK AT PICS a lot!!!!!!

The rule is that AS is a minefield. Some are equipped to successfully navigate it and some are not. The sincere but naive get blown up there frequently.

[LAman]

The rule is that AS is a minefield. Some are equipped to successfully navigate it and some are not. The sincere but naive get blown up there frequently.

To me the whole FSU process is a minefield. Yes, some are equipped better than others...lots of variables invovled...most are internal......

[LAman]

Most agencies you see in the FSU go by an independent name but have a contract with a big agency. The may be affiliated with AFA, AD, HRB/RLM etc.... Big agencies need lots of little feeder agencies to operate.

Even AD's antiscam policy said it would fine an agency if a lady is scamming so they are acknowledging they are doing business with smaller agencies.

"In all cases where improper or dishonest behavior is found, Anastasia International scam and anti-scam unit removes the Russian or Ukraine lady from her system, fines the lady’s agency and issues a refund to her member."

http://www.anastasiadate.com/anastasia-anti-scam-policy.html

Can you clarify Billy....you keep saying agencies? How do you distinguish between a local agency and the internet agency in terms of your post....big agencies being fed by smaller agencies????
Does RWD have way to formally differenciatate?

That AD antiscam policy is a joke!!!  Things are just swept under the rug....you get the refund and nothing changes.

[LAman]

LA, I think several caught on to that invariable fact as several pointed him towards EM. If he chooses AD, should he succumb to the eye candy and libido marketing it'll be at his own peril. He's got good information, what he choses to do with it is up to him. There's been many guys that showed up at RWD because of AD. Some by chance and some with a gut feeling they couldn't shake. KL strikes me as intelligent enough to know whether it's raining or he's getting pee'd on. Hopefully he won't have to get pee'd on but if he does, ca sera sera. Despite everything we do here, some moths can't turn away from the flame, yanno?  
 

FP...intelligent enought? Look at his OP title and his question about site..........or is he just making waves.....

[Faux Pas]

FP...intelligent enought? Look at his OP title and his question about site..........or is he just making waves.....

Certainly. He's gathering information and in the process asking those newbie questions. If he don't ask he might not learn. I suspect he "wants" it to be legit but knows down inside it isn't. If he's already spotted a pretty face that he just has to give a shot, I suspect he'll try it anyway 

[BillyB]

Can you clarify Billy....you keep saying agencies? How do you distinguish between a local agency and the internet agency in terms of your post....big agencies being fed by smaller agencies????

It's sometimes easy or hard to tell if a little local agency is a feeder agency of a big one.

Say you're walking down the street in Kiev and you pass by an agency called Daisy Bride which I did. You can google the name and maybe they will talk aboiut if their in business with someone else or not. I looked at Daisy Brides website and based on the women's profiles pages and the manner it's presented, Daisy Bride is a feeder agency to the Anglika Network. They have a much better reputation than AD.

http://www.daisybride.com/

An apartment manager I did business with said if I ever needed to do business with an agency to call him first so he can let them know I'm a decent guy looking for a serioius woman. He said if a man just walks in without doing prior business with them, they will not care if he dates the worst women and definately don't want him taking their best women for marriage.

You could try all kinds of tricks to save money or directly communicate with ladies in some of those agencies but why gamble? If you do business with them and can't follow their rules, don't do business with them.

I never used an agency but I understand the need for some men to use agencies. Maybe they're unfamiliar with the city, want a fast way to meet lots of women and hope to find one to be their wife, need one company to handle all your accomadation, transportation, and translating needs etc... but if you can do this alone, I'd recommend bride.ru. There you will get full contact info of all the ladies your'e communicating with and can call them if you're in town and make instant dates yourself.

That site can hook you up with a few dates each day. The Mamba network can hook you up with a few dates each day. I could walk the streets and get a few phone numbers each day. Most ladies there are open and friendly as long as you don't come across as a weirdo.

[Muzh]

You know,

There's probably guys here who just go to some city in the UA and simply have the best luck, meet the best women, and everything runs flawlessly, no blips at all.    Others.... just the opposite.    I think for the most part, a successful trip is due to research, determination and more research.   However, anytime you add the human emotion into ANY equation in life.... and certainly this qualifies, you cannot really predict the outcome the way you might if you had no human emotion in the same equation.  


The more I read on RWD, the more educated I feel and certainly "Knowledge is Power" is something I firmly believe in.  

Kapitan

Mon Kapitan. Sometimes all the research will get you beans. My personal experience I would not recommend to anyone since I know I was one lucky dog.
I fell in love with a picture. I proposed to her on the phone before we met. I did everything that is wrong according to the mavens. Yet, 10+ years and very happy. It is the luck of the draw.

You mentioned earlier that your job as an airline pilot brings you to Mockba. Why not set up dates with some of the ladies in the Moscow Times classifieds? You'll have a better chance at finding someone who wll be the next Mrs. Kapitan.

[Kapitanleutnant]

Muzh.....    Great to hear your story worked out like the proverbial Cinderella story!    

As I clicked thru the Moscow/St Pete times classifieds for "dating", all that comes up is "Eurodates" website.  Thus the other thread on if that site was legit or not.  

Here is the link that one gets for classifieds/dating in the Moscow Times:
http://www.themoscowtimes.com/classifieds/classifieds/dating/3809.html

K

[Muzh]

Muzh.....    Great to hear your story worked out like the proverbial Cinderella story!    

As I clicked thru the Moscow/St Pete times classifieds for "dating", all that comes up is "Eurodates" website.  Thus the other thread on if that site was legit or not.  

Here is the link that one gets for classifieds/dating in the Moscow Times:
http://www.themoscowtimes.com/classifieds/classifieds/dating/3809.html

K

Didn't I refer someone to that site? Or was it on the other forum?

Yes, I'm familiar with that site. It used to be for Moscow women who wanted to meet people in Moscow AND stay in Moscow.

[LAman]

Certainly. He's gathering information and in the process asking those newbie questions. If he don't ask he might not learn. I suspect he "wants" it to be legit but knows down inside it isn't. If he's already spotted a pretty face that he just has to give a shot, I suspect he'll try it anyway 

Yes FP BUT he is not a newbie or inexperienced, as he says:
02/18/2011
"OK.... so what I'm getting is I have a misconception of the RW/UW.    Point taken.   I would argue that it's not because of my "inexperience" as someone said.     I did bring a RW home back in '95 on the K1 visa after a tour so I have had some experience here and I work with a number of U&RW. 
Remember back in his latin vs fsu girl thread?
That is why I mentioned the shock value...may be right or may be wrong......