Wild Wild East

[SFandEE]

http://tinyurl.com/5r2xm4g

Saw this on Yahoo--something about Ukraine has a feel of the Wild Wild East.  I wonder if this is part of the attraction for some of us.  Ukraine is in such a state of transition and the outcome is to be determined. 

[GQBlues]

Certain silliness and /or any other political misdeeds pervades in all societies, including but not limited to Ukraine, USA, Bangladesh, etc...

As for what attracts most men in places like Ukraine et al, it is the ability and opportunity to date and marry the type of women, in appearance and/or age, they couldn't otherwise in their respective home countries.

[erudite]

http://tinyurl.com/5r2xm4g

Saw this on Yahoo--something about Ukraine has a feel of the Wild Wild East.  I wonder if this is part of the attraction for some of us.  Ukraine is in such a state of transition and the outcome is to be determined. 

People in Ukraine are like Americans in one sense.  They seem to elect people to office that they continually bitch, gripe and complain about.  The same old and new politicians continue with corruption, graft and lies.  It is just out in the open and more blatant than in the US, not requiring as much finesse to avoid public disclosure.  

This is a politically motivated case no doubt but could prove to have some merit because this sort of thing is not out the realm of possibilities in Ukraine where money makes thing happen in a more efficient way than in the West.

[SFandEE]

I agree this is not exclusive to Ukraine.  The timing is such that Ukraine is sorting through things that in other places are more settled as to how you get rid of troublesome journalists.

I was aware that Russia had a time their journalists were being assassinated--I had not heard of this story in Ukraine.  Nor have I heard of many journalists losing their lives recently in US, but it would not surprise me to find journalists in the US compromised or corrupted using $$$$.  Wikilinks has recently seemed to throw a wrench into the discussion about a free press in the US.  Observing what the struggles of FSU to create a free press reminds me that although it can be manifested in several ways, there is a natural aversion of the powerful to transparency.  How that is reconciled is a matter of discussion.

[GoodOlBoy]

As for what attracts most men in places like Ukraine et al, it is the ability and opportunity to date and marry the type of women,in appearance and/or age, they couldn't otherwise in their respective home countries.

Agree completely.
Much younger and much thinner!
And not because they are more "family orientated" in the FSU.

GOB

[SFandEE]

Without putting words in mouths.  What if any redeeming qualities of WM that have broadened their pool of prospective brides, girlfriends, or friends to include FSUW are there?  Am I the only one reading this forum who sees a lot of posts questioning/challenging the judgment of WM for expressing interest in FSUW on RWD?

[GoodOlBoy]

Am I the only one reading this forum who sees a lot of posts questioning/challenging the judgment of WM for expressing interest in FSUW on RWD?

The only challenges/questions I have for WM here on RWD, are the ones chasing "schoolgirls" or obvious "pro-daters" in the FSU.

And of course, they don't want to hear it.

GOB

[SFandEE]

My original post and last comment were suggesting maybe there are reasons apart from school girls and pro-daters.  I agree that there are many WM that pursue in some way relationships abroad with FSUW with ridiculous expectations.  I also have seen WM with genuine motivations--perhaps those need to be explored more on RWD.  

It's a carousel--yes, don't pursue women that are too young for you and don't pursue women that are too good looking for you.  If you don't know what that is then RWD would probably suggest she is too young for you and she is too good looking for you.

[Vaughn]

Am I the only one reading this forum who sees a lot of posts questioning/challenging the judgment of WM for expressing interest in FSUW on RWD?

You're certainly not alone in noticing this - although aside from the "teeny bopper" and "pro-dater" elements already
mentioned, I see wiser WM advising others regarding expectations as you've noticed. Let's face it - the sites, be they dating sites, agency sites, or the sites that constantly deny they are either of those - offer much food for fantasy, and not
only with photographs. How many threads we've had here in this vein - "Is she for real...?" I've lost count.

Many members get upset as they misinterpret tough questions as criticism. Are you really ready for this since the ink on
your divorce is still wet? So you've dated two women in your lifetime? Money issues. Child custody issues. Employment.
Country bumpkins, city slickers. Every man is quite unique in how he defines his "reasonable expectations" - yet not so
unique in justifying hasty decisions actions he hasn't really thought through. Even words of caution will somehow be perceived
by some as discouragement.

[XMan]

You're certainly not alone in noticing this - although aside from the "teeny bopper" and "pro-dater" elements already
mentioned, I see wiser WM advising others regarding expectations as you've noticed. Let's face it - the sites, be they dating sites, agency sites, or the sites that constantly deny they are either of those - offer much food for fantasy, and not only with photographs. How many threads we've had here in this vein - "Is she for real...?" I've lost count.

Many members get upset as they misinterpret tough questions as criticism. Are you really ready for this since the ink on
your divorce is still wet? So you've dated two women in your lifetime? Money issues. Child custody issues. Employment.
Country bumpkins, city slickers. Every man is quite unique in how he defines his "reasonable expectations" - yet not so
unique in justifying hasty decisions actions he hasn't really thought through. Even words of caution will somehow be perceived by some as discouragement.

I agree that sometimes words of caution are interpreted as discouragement. 
But I also think some posters have been roughed up pretty badly for "stupidity" or other perceived offenses, real or imagined.  Often that results in them becoming defensive, and then (generally) the thread degrades into pointlessness.

Regarding reasons apart "from school girls and pro-daters," I think some men go through stages or phases (or, I could be the only one, a veritable freak of nature, who knows).

At first I was intrigued because it seemed like such a crazy idea. 
Think back to when you first found out about the possibility of corresponding with, and hopefully eventually meeting, a woman from the FSU.  To me it seemed akin to strapping on a jet-pack and flying over the Grand Canyon, or in other words, damned difficult to imagine (I'm afraid of heights and flying without wings), but an exciting idea. 

Then I went through the kid in the candy store stage.  I think that is self-explanatory.

Then I entered the realism phase. 
What would it really take to actually build enough of a foundation to go visit someone in the FSU?   Was there an actual chance to build a real relationship, or was it all smoke and mirrors?

Unfortunately, my next phase was the Wash, Rinse, Repeat phase of multiple trips but not finding quite the right match.

Now I can only describe this current phase as the Enamored Phase.  Even though I have experienced disappointments, I met some great people and did some extremely interesting things that I never dreamed I would do.  My mind at times tells me to pull the plug, but then there is always this one woman...and if only....  So, I get ready to throw in the towel, then I take one more shot again.  I'm still studying Russian, although at snail pace progress.  So for whatever twisted reason, I haven't given up quite yet.

Well, who knows.  There are one week wonders (a few of whom actually succeed in the long-term, though I could not provide statistics), and there are ten trip wonders. 

[SFandEE]

Xman thanks for the breath of fresh air in the RWD atmosphere.  You haven't been on my radar before, but it sounds like you have a lot of similar impressions.

For me it has been an experience, an adventure.  I am the better for it and have been focused more lately on my relationships here in America.  That being said, there are some great women in FSU and I am still open to developing a relationship with them--only problem is..........

[erudite]

INow I can only describe this current phase as the Enamored Phase.  Even though I have experienced disappointments, I met some great people and did some extremely interesting things that I never dreamed I would do.  My mind at times tells me to pull the plug, but then there is always this one woman...and if only....  So, I get ready to throw in the towel, then I take one more shot again.  I'm still studying Russian, although at snail pace progress.  So for whatever twisted reason, I haven't given up quite yet.

Well, who knows.  There are one week wonders (a few of whom actually succeed in the long-term, though I could not provide statistics), and there are ten trip wonders. 

I was very discouraged before making the trip that I met my fiance.  I had already made up my mind to try the Czech Republic and had lined up a very reputable agency and developed a good working relationship with owners (one of which is American).  I went to meet two women especially that I had been incontact with for over six months.  I had several others I had recently started talking with. As it happened the lady I hit it off with and who became my fiance was one of the ones I just decided to meet her one day when I had nothing else to do.  The rest is history.

So if time and money are not the problem, I do not see any reason to give up.  The women abound and through my fiance I have met and learned of so many there that really want to find a good "normal" man as they refer to us.  The source is really quite unlimited, no need to quit.

[SFandEE]

I am so refreshed by the breaths of fresh air on RWD.  It has been rather toxic as of late.  I wish we could segregate this somehow.  Thanks for the positive contributions!  There are great WM trying to connect with great FSUW for no sinister reasons on both parts.