Can Now Meet Your UW in Argentina

[ML]

 Found a UW who yearns to be a 'Cowgirl?' ; then good news for you.
= = = = = =Ukrainian tourists now able to visit Argentina without visas  Today at 15:03             | Interfax-Ukraine           A visa-free travel regime between Ukraine and Argentina started operating from Oct. 2, 2011, the Ukrainian Foreign Ministry has reported.         

 Ministry spokesman Oleksandr Dykusarov said at a briefing on Tuesday  that a respective agreement between the governments of Ukraine and  Argentina on the cancellation of visas foresees there being the opportunity for the citizens of both countries to enter, transit and depart from the territory of both countries without having to have visas either as tourists or for other non-profit activities for a period not exceeding 90 days per calendar year.
 
 The travel documents valid for visa-free travel by Ukrainians to Argentina are a Ukrainian passport for travel abroad or travel documents for children.
 
 "The implementation of the agreement will ensure the liberalization  of the travel of Ukrainian citizens to Argentina, as well as contribute  to the development of relations between the two countries and the intensification of contacts in the tourist, cultural, humanitarian and other spheres," Dykusarov said.         

Read more: http://www.kyivpost.com/news/nation/detail/114097/#ixzz1ZpsrYP00

[alex330]

Nice to have another country open up to take your RW on vacation. The issue we always had was the flight paths though. When Mexico opened up it was almost impossible to find a route that did not layover in the US or more than one Schengen country. I can imagine Argentina will be tricky.

[SANDRO43]

I can imagine Argentina will be tricky.

Expensive too, I'd wager .

[Daveman]

Nice to have another country open up to take your RW on vacation. The issue we always had was the flight paths though. When Mexico opened up it was almost impossible to find a route that did not layover in the US or more than one Schengen country. I can imagine Argentina will be tricky.

I'll admit to being completely ignorant on the subject, but what is the problem with layover as long as one doesn't leave the airport?  Inconvenient to remain in the airport for a long layover, yes, but is a transit visa also necessary and difficult to attain?  Okay, so bottom line of my rambling question... Why is US or Schengen layover an issue?

[IAmZon]

oh ... that is an easy trip HAHAHA

[ECOCKS]

This is probably great news for SA searchers and those who look for exotic vacations. Argentina never seemed very interesting to me but maybe it is a big spot for that region.

[alex330]

I'll admit to being completely ignorant on the subject, but what is the problem with layover as long as one doesn't leave the airport?  Inconvenient to remain in the airport for a long layover, yes, but is a transit visa also necessary and difficult to attain?  Okay, so bottom line of my rambling question... Why is US or Schengen layover an issue?

Someone please correct me if I am wrong for the sake of helping anyone facing this, but we were informed that my fiance could only transit through one Schengen country and not enter the US even on a layover. She talked to people in Ukraine that had gotten around this or it was not noticed but also knows women that were detained and had issues.

Maybe it also depends on the individual? Age, assets, job, home ownership, etc. come into play I believe?

[ML]

Someone please correct me if I am wrong for the sake of helping anyone facing this, but we were informed that my fiance could only transit through one Schengen country and not enter the US even on a layover. She talked to people in Ukraine that had gotten around this or it was not noticed but also knows women that were detained and had issues.

Maybe it also depends on the individual? Age, assets, job, home ownership, etc. come into play I believe?

I would also like to see an answer to this layover aspect as it applies to layover in USA. 

Can the FSU gals do a layover (without leaving secure area of airport) in USA or not?

But I would be surprised if the rule varied from person to person.

[ECOCKS]

Unless you're on the No-Fly list I highly doubt there is individual variation.

Many of our wives, fiances an girlfriends have flown through Madrid and Paris en route to the US, DR or Mexico without visa issues. That may not mean a thing with regard to US airports though.

[LAman]

I would also like to see an answer to this layover aspect as it applies to layover in USA. 

Can the FSU gals do a layover (without leaving secure area of airport) in USA or not?

But I would be surprised if the rule varied from person to person.

Not sure which countries are involved but I know without visa, FSU gals cannot land on US soil for connecting flights.
Maybe this explains:
http://wikitravel.org/en/Avoiding_a_transit_of_the_United_States
 
I know Paris has a restricted area and anyone can have connecting flights through there. I used that for a UW to vacation in DR. Not sure about travel within europe...let say UW connecting in vienna or frankfurt to a visa free country.

[Daveman]

Of particular interest to me is this snippet:

Note that all of these activities now require either a Visa Waiver or C1 transit visa: transferring to another flight; just stopping and not disembarking from the plane; and refuelling stops. Sometimes these minor stops are not even clearly marked on preliminary itineraries for long haul flights. If you have reason to avoid the US, ask that the itinerary be double and triple checked for transit and fuel stops in the US (including Hawaii and Alaska).

That certainly seems well and beyond "over the top".  The referenced citation is a "wiki" which could contain errors I reckon. But sheesh..

[SANDRO43]

On my first trip to the Maldive islands in 1980, our JAT (Jugoslavian Airlines) charter Boeing made a refuelling stop in Baghdad at around midnight: we were not allowed to disembark, the doors were opened to let some (hot) air in - no air conditioning running when the engines are stopped - and, peeking out, we could see that the plane had been surrounded by a platoon of Iraqi infantry with AK47s NOT at port arms . 

[Muzh]

Fair warning to those travelling to Argentina. The babes there are absolutely gorgeous. However, they will NOT consider a big age gap.

[Faux Pas]

Most airlines flying to the US won't permit one to board without an appropriate visa, ticket or not

[CanadaMan]

I'll admit to being completely ignorant on the subject, but what is the problem with layover as long as one doesn't leave the airport?  Inconvenient to remain in the airport for a long layover, yes, but is a transit visa also necessary and difficult to attain?  Okay, so bottom line of my rambling question... Why is US or Schengen layover an issue?

A transit visa would be required if landing in U.S./Canada etc. for a layover. Those are the rules.
A transit visa is often just as difficult to obtain as a regular visa.

So yes this Argentina route could be very tricky and expensive for a rendez-vous.

It's kind of like the Catch-22 situation with Andorra. That country allows many foreigners to visit visa-free, but since there are no direct flights into the country from major airlines, one needs a Schengen to enter from France or Spain.

[Anotherkiwi]

...It's kind of like the Catch-22 situation with Andorra. That country allows many foreigners to visit visa-free, but since there are no direct flights into the country from major airlines, one needs a Schengen to enter from France or Spain.

Of course there are no direct flights (or indirect ones) - there's no airport!  In fact, seeing it's in the Pyrenees, there's hardly any flat ground anywhere.  And yes, I have actually been there!

[CanadaMan]

Of course there are no direct flights (or indirect ones) - there's no airport!

That's right, no airport. But you can fly there by helicopter. 
The point though being that their visa-free status for most countries is of little help for people trying to get inside from a FSU country.

[Anotherkiwi]

That's right, no airport. But you can fly there by helicopter. 
The point though being that their visa-free status for most countries is of little help for people trying to get inside from a FSU country.

True - but you have to remember the other point about Andorra, which is that it's a duty-free paradise.  Would you dare risk letting your FSUW loose in such a place? 

[Shadow]

For those who consider Argentina as holiday destination, I can say that it is definately worth while to go there.
The country is pretty big, and that means that there is a big variety in landscapes.

I have taken a 10-day tour around the country (in company of an Argentinia girl) and seen from north to south. In the north there are he deserts and plains where condors fly. In the south there are the glaciers and snow in July (remember its winter when we have summer). In the middle is Buenos Aires, a metropolitan area like many.

I truly enjoyed visiting the country as well as the company.

[alex330]

For those who consider Argentina as holiday destination, I can say that it is definately worth while to go there.
The country is pretty big, and that means that there is a big variety in landscapes.

I truly enjoyed visiting the country as well as the company.

Not to mention the red wine and quality of beef is amazing 

[JR]

Someone please correct me if I am wrong for the sake of helping anyone facing this, but we were informed that my fiance could only transit through one Schengen country and not enter the US even on a layover. She talked to people in Ukraine that had gotten around this or it was not noticed but also knows women that were detained and had issues.

Maybe it also depends on the individual? Age, assets, job, home ownership, etc. come into play I believe?

How about just walking out of the airport and not coming back?

[alex330]

How about just walking out of the airport and not coming back?

We probably should have. Everyone else does and the K1 took forever