Being Greedy....

[BillyB]

thanks for the clarifications, Lilly.  so according to Russian mentality, the russian jewish mafia which traffics thousands of poor and unwise young Ukrainian women into prostitution in Israel and other horrible places, where they are treated with less respect than homeless wild animals, those men are "winners" and would make good husband material, right????????

Brad, based on your postings in this thread I'd say you have a lot of compassion for homeless animals and would be willing to spend a big portion of your pocket change to feed them and get them off the street into a better life. I'm sure you feel good about yourself being a compassionate person and you probably think you have qualities women should respect and was hurt by what Lily said.

What most RW respect from a man is that he should provide for the family first. Animals are not equal to humans and even humans aren't equal. You got to get your priorities straight. Your family comes first. They need to be fed, clothed, and there must be a financial security blanket for the future. If you go feed homeless animals and your woman is thinking the kids could be wearing better clothes, eating better food, and wished there was money saved up for the kids college education, she will not respect you because your family unnecessarily suffers from your actions and if the kids can't get a good education and good job, the grandkids and future generations will likely be damned. Us men tend to choose women based off initial beauty but smart women tend look at men's qualities for the long haul.

Between a man who gives the bulk of his money to taking care of the family and a man who splits his money evenly between his family and a humanitarian cause, I'd say the man who takes care of family first is easily going to get the most women.

If you want to talk extremes, between a man who works for the mafia but is generous with those close to him in his immediate life and a man who donates every penny of his to charity which includes those who are strangers not in his immediate life, the man who is corrupt will be a more attractive mate and get much more women than the man who donates all his money to charity.

You may not like to hear that but it's fact and it's reality and you should live your life based on reality if you want to bring in a woman into your life. You don't have to be corrupt but you can't be so compassionate to the point your family will suffer.

[brad5959]

no, I was not hurt by what Lily had to say.  I think she is very intelligent and has good manners and makes logical sense.  I just decided to take it a step further because I am sad and disgusted that so many poor eastern european women are trafficked into prostitution.  it probably belongs in another thread, but it does not change the fact that people should look at the true character of mafia types.  as far as homeless animals, it is true that I buy them food and offer it to them wherever I encounter them.  there were a lot of them in Ukraine and it made me sad when I left to know that the ones I had been feeding would probably go hungry after I left.  the type of woman I like is also an animal lover.  it really does not cost that much to feed five or six homeless cats and a few homeless dogs.

[brad5959]

Brad, I think Lilly has a special name for you.  Don't worry, its not "greedy."

Again, I question your reading comprehension and deductive reasoning.

she stated plain as day that russians see mafia types as "winners".  so where specifically do you question my reading comprehension and deductive reasoning??  Lilly can PM me if she wants to share her special name for me.  don't put words in her mouth which were not there.  she has been nothing but polite and reasonable.  maybe you are the one with a reading comprehension problem???

[BillyB]

as far as homeless animals, it is true that I buy them food and offer it to them wherever I encounter them.  there were a lot of them in Ukraine and it made me sad when I left to know that the ones I had been feeding would probably go hungry after I left.  the type of woman I like is also an animal lover.  it really does not cost that much to feed five or six homeless cats and a few homeless dogs.

I dated one gal in Kiev that was big on saving homeless animals. She had a bumper sticker on her car that directs people to the site and forum in the link below and if you're looking for a RW who's as much as an animal lover as you are, you might want to find a gal there. Get Google translate for your web browser so it'll translate every page from Russian to English automatically and if you want to participate at that forum and write in Russian, use the translation site in the second link.

http://www.dogicat.org/forum/

http://www.online-translator.com/Default.aspx/Text

[Gator]

Lily wrote "some RW."  Having met her, I assure you that Lily is not the type of RW attracted to mafia stereotypes.  If she were, she would have stayed in Russia rather than move to 'sterile' Canada.  And I guess you are not the type of man who would want a Mafia doll.

I have seen them piling out of the MBs and BMWs at 3am in Moscow and entering clubs.  Interesting sight, but not me nor my desire.

 

[SFandEE]

I have seen them piling out of the MBs and BMWs at 3am in Moscow and entering clubs.  Interesting sight, but not me nor my desire.

This is what I have witnessed as well.  I suspect there is supreme indifference where the money came for her head to toe Christian Dior outfit, just so long as it is in fashion and no one else is wearing anything else like it.  The mind bender is that this is also manifested in New York, London, Tokyo, Rome, and Salt Lake City just in different and more subtle ways.  The maliciousness is still there, just more institutional and better managed in the PR world.

[brian131]

Haven't been yet.  Going to Ukraine in a couple of months.  I'm really curious about this.  I travel to see the way other people live and think...old buildings just bore me, but a different culture is fascinating.  I'm definitely going to have to take a woman shopping just to see what happens!

I think this thread is confusing because half of you are talking about trophy wives and half are talking about normal girls and no one specifies what kind of girl the behavior came from.

What I'm taking away from this about normal RWs:

Just like any other woman they want a man that makes them feel safe, both physically and financially.  Cultural differences in spending and gift giving habits may cause misunderstandings with them...a woman may be with a man who will make sure that she never needs anything, but she may not be aware that he has this intention.  He's thinking, 'Buy cheaper shoes, but retire to a condo on the beach...a fairy tale ending for my Princess!' and she thinks, 'He makes lots of money but has none for me!'

Trophy wives are a different story.

[Faux Pas]

Haven't been yet.  Going to Ukraine in a couple of months.  I'm really curious about this.  I travel to see the way other people live and think...old buildings just bore me, but a different culture is fascinating.  I'm definitely going to have to take a woman shopping just to see what happens!

I think this thread is confusing because half of you are talking about trophy wives and half are talking about normal girls and no one specifies what kind of girl the behavior came from.

What I'm taking away from this about normal RWs:

Just like any other woman they want a man that makes them feel safe, both physically and financially.  Cultural differences in spending and gift giving habits may cause misunderstandings with them...a woman may be with a man who will make sure that she never needs anything, but she may not be aware that he has this intention.  He's thinking, 'Buy cheaper shoes, but retire to a condo on the beach...a fairy tale ending for my Princess!' and she thinks, 'He makes lots of money but has none for me!'

Trophy wives are a different story.

Brian,
There is few hard and fast rules here. Everyone can have a different idea of what the meaning of a greedy man is. The consensus I think,    would equate to "stingy" . It's not as much a breakdown in understandings as it is a difference of word definition.


With that said, a good rule of thumb is don't sweat this. You do what you are comfortable doing and do it without being asked, manipulated or coaxed. Do what you want. If you see a pair of shoes would make her happy and you want to make her happy, buy her the shoes.


IMHO, you should approach the lady and do for her as you would for any other woman you dated back home. If she is a money grubbing biatch, she'll reveal herself soon enough. Some women are, most are not. Your average women isn't, many of the young big agency ladies are. It can in most instances be related to the waters you fish.

[Voyager36]

brad, RW use the word correctly, the word just has different meaning in Russian language, as it has been pointed out already in this thread.

Further on, they use it in accordance with Russian mentality towards spending habits. Daveman put it quite right

From a perspective of some RW, the above people are not greedy. They just know how to live, and get from life everything they can. This makes them desirable partners, because they were clever enough in order to out-compete other RM, and RW would think that they would bring these acquired wealth into their families. They would call the men described by you good providers, not greedy. Russian mentality does not judge winners!

At the same time, RW would call these men greedy in case they are reluctant to spend their money on wives, kids and other siblings. Read Daveman below again

Remember, many RW have never lived in the West, and have no idea what a disposable income is, for example. They would think like, if he has found a few thousands of bucks to make an oversea visit, he must certainly have a couple of extra hundreds to spend on the woman. 'Rich' may mean reckless spending, and a number of women may disqualify a man just because he shows signs of being frugal and thrifty. They just don't understand this.

 
Lily, are there any situations in the FSU where people need to save for the future or an emergency?
 
What happens if you need to spend $10,000 on a medical emergency or university?
Do most Russians not have savings?
 

[Lily]

A number of Russians have savings, yes. Some use available investments strategies, depending on their sophistication and willingness to take risk.

 It does not mean however that there are no Russians who don't save and leave from pay to pay.

Emergencies also happen. However IMHO medical services, especially emergency ones, would still cost less in comparison to the West. Personally I have not heard about any unforseen high medical expenses, most of expensive medical services were planned and saved for.

[Misha]

What happens if you need to spend $10,000 on a medical emergency or university?
Do most Russians not have savings?

Many Russians get loans. I have a  number of Russian friends and acquaintances who did get loans in recent years to pay for a variety of medical procedures.

[Voyager36]

Many Russians get loans. I have a  number of Russian friends and acquaintances who did get loans in recent years to pay for a variety of medical procedures.

I hope not at the 20 - 25% intrest rates that I've seen there. 

[Misha]

I hope not at the 20 - 25% intrest rates that I've seen there. 

Certainly no less than 10% 

[brian131]

IMHO, you should approach the lady and do for her as you would for any other woman you dated back home.

Sounds like great advice.  I probably would give a few more gifts, just because all women have a Cinderella fantasy, so a few nice things here and there make it seem more dreamy to her.  Not trying to manipulate her...it's just that I would be disappointed if she didn't have a cool accent...we all have our dreams of how things will be.

If she is a money grubbing biatch, she'll reveal herself soon enough. Some women are, most are not. Your average women isn't, many of the young big agency ladies are. It can in most instances be related to the waters you fish.

Yeah...as a newbie I didn't want to touch that topic...but yeah, the waters that you fish in and how you fish.  I've mostly been looking on Mamba, but I've looked at a few other sites as well.  I've seen some of the agency girls on mamba and they aren't always just looking for marriage.  Even if you tossed out all of the fake profiles and scammers and only left the 'real girls'...there are some sharks in the water!  I may have to give up on this...I'm not sure if I'm level headed enough to stay safe.  I know there are some great ones out there, but I'd probably be ripped to shreds before I found one!

[Faux Pas]

Sounds like great advice.  I probably would give a few more gifts, just because all women have a Cinderella fantasy, so a few nice things here and there make it seem more dreamy to her.  Not trying to manipulate her...it's just that I would be disappointed if she didn't have a cool accent...we all have our dreams of how things will be.

I might tend to disagree that all women have a Cinderella fantasy but no matter, if you buy local ladies gifts while on a date at home, that might indicate you are comfortable doing that. Nothing at all wrong with it. Don't hesitate to do it with a RW. The key here is what you are comfortable with. Also, if she doesn't speak english you likely will not recognize any accent

Yeah...as a newbie I didn't want to touch that topic...but yeah, the waters that you fish in and how you fish.  I've mostly been looking on Mamba, but I've looked at a few other sites as well.  I've seen some of the agency girls on mamba and they aren't always just looking for marriage.  Even if you tossed out all of the fake profiles and scammers and only left the 'real girls'...there are some sharks in the water!  I may have to give up on this...I'm not sure if I'm level headed enough to stay safe.  I know there are some great ones out there, but I'd probably be ripped to shreds before I found one!

They are out there and they are looking for you. I would recommend you try Elena's models. There it is easier and more likely you are communicating directly with women with no 3rd party involved. The ladies at EM are for the most part genuine, real, have already considered a relationship with a western man. You can find a scammer on EMs as well. Good scammers can be anywhere but, they are to a minimum on EMs and they are usually quick to dispose one when discovered.

[Voyager36]

They are out there and they are looking for you. I would recommend you try Elena's models. There it is easier and more likely you are communicating directly with women with no 3rd party involved. The ladies at EM are for the most part genuine, real, have already considered a relationship with a western man. You can find a scammer on EMs as well. Good scammers can be anywhere but, they are to a minimum on EMs and they are usually quick to dispose one when discovered.

There seem to be a decent number on EM who have reasonably good English skills

[Gator]

I may have to give up on this...I'm not sure if I'm level headed enough to stay safe.  I know there are some great ones out there, but I'd probably be ripped to shreds before I found one!

It is not rocket science.  If this concerns you, I suggest that you stay with women who speak English and then spend much time with them on Skype.  I guarantee you will find someone, maybe several, who seems genuine.  Then get on a plane.  If you find a winner, take more trips to see her.  I have always had the opinion that time is your best friend.

[brian131]

They are out there and they are looking for you. I would recommend you try Elena's models.

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[JR]

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