Int Marriage Broker Form

[jj]

I recently sent a international marriage broker regulation act form into an agency as they required it to meet the girl.  we were both excited.  after a few days, they informed me that she did not wish to correspond, which floored me.  they said she had interest in another man, but she is still on site.  I suddenly realized that on the back of the form where it talks of a criminal check and National Offender, there was a space for date of registray search where either records were either found or not found.  i left this blank figuring that the agency did that.  was i supposed to supply the criminal check from the courthouse?  the agency never  told me , they just said they gave it to the girl to look at.  ??  any input would be appreciated.

[Turboguy]

jj, it is possible that it was exactly what they said.  She may be in a situation where she has met someone else. 

May I ask what agency you are using?   I hate to break the bad news to you but there are a lot of agencys where the gal you are writing to may not be the girl you are writing to.  What I am saying is that a lot of agencys have employees (sometimes not even women employees) that sit there and write letters that are romantic and warm and encouraging but fake.  The gal the letters are supposed to be coming from may exist but never gets your letters, never answers them and doesn't know anything about you.  I sort of suspect that this is the case.  When it came down to a meeting they probably contacted the girl about meeting you and she was not interested.  Maybe she is already married or taken.

I think if the agency had wanted you to supply a police report they would have asked for it and if that had been the problem they would have written you back and said, hey you forgot this part.

Sorry, I think you need to find a new agency to work with and just move on.  Don't worry about it. She did not reject you.  She just didn't know you existed.  There are lots of good agencies and web sites, read here about the good and bad and start over

[PeeWee]

jj, it is possible that it was exactly what they said.  She may be in a situation where she has met someone else. 

May I ask what agency you are using?   I hate to break the bad news to you but there are a lot of agencys where the gal you are writing to may not be the girl you are writing to.  What I am saying is that a lot of agencys have employees (sometimes not even women employees) that sit there and write letters that are romantic and warm and encouraging but fake.  The gal the letters are supposed to be coming from may exist but never gets your letters, never answers them and doesn't know anything about you.  I sort of suspect that this is the case.  When it came down to a meeting they probably contacted the girl about meeting you and she was not interested.  Maybe she is already married or taken.

I think if the agency had wanted you to supply a police report they would have asked for it and if that had been the problem they would have written you back and said, hey you forgot this part.

Sorry, I think you need to find a new agency to work with and just move on.  Don't worry about it. She did not reject you.  She just didn't know you existed.  There are lots of good agencies and web sites, read here about the good and bad and start over

Often the agency will not remove her profile even if she is married. Lots of reasons for that. She did not notify them. They left it as honey to attract more bees. Her profile makes their total catalog look bigger than it really is.

Three of my friends have left their profiles posted with their respective agency. One is married and did not tell them to remove it and if she did the other associated agencies that have included her profile in their catalog were not notified and she is not aware of who they are any. One left her profile posted because she thinks it bad luck to remove it until she is married. Something about buying clothes for baby before baby is actually born. Some Russian custom or superstition.

Peewee

[BillyB]

jj,

If you're going to supply forms to agencies as required, they must be complete or you'll have delays further down the road.

You were floored when you found out she didn't want to respond? Rejection is a normal part of life. Maybe she was spoken for, or she didn't like your photo, or letter, or thought you had something to hide with an incomplete background check. Regardless, there are millions of other ladies put there, don't focus on one otherwise you limit your chances of success. Once you find someone special, you'll forget about all those that rejected you.

[jj]

thankyou all for input.  i guess i was supposed to supply my own background check. I guess i shouldnt use the word "floored"   nothing should suprise me anymore, but there were like plans of where we going sightseeing 2 days before it was sent in and had been chatting for about 2 months.   she was on another site too, so probably had several guys  lined up. but i will send in bkgd report which costs about 10 bucks.   happy 4th. jj

[Turboguy]

Enjoy your 4th jj.  I still question the agency.  I think it was that and not the report.  Billy, if you notice in his original post a few days before that she was anxious to meet him and they were planning on where they were going.  It still reminds me of some of the reports I have read with outfits like confidential connections where guys write for a year and the gal thinks he is wonderful and then shows up for a meeting and the gal never knew he existed.

[BillyB]

Yes TG, if jj would like to list the agency name he's dealing with, we can let him know if they are possibly playing games with him. There are agencies with horrendous reputations out there.

[jj]

she was contacted thru russian love match.  I heard of both good and not so good about results. jj

[BillyB]

jj,

I've heard nothing but complaints against RLM. Could you point anywhere on the internet that someone says something good about them?

Now it's more clear why you didn't get to meet the woman in question. Besides the IMBRA form you needed to fill out there are other requirements that many men don't achieve. Did you read the terms of that agency?

The first paragraph says you need to be a "Qualified member" to meet the woman and the final paragraph says what it take to be a "Qualified member". jj, Do you have a 3 continuous month membership with them and have you bought a minimum of 2500 credits? What does a credit cost these days at RLM?


If, after corresponding with a Foreign National Client while utilizing the Services, a Member wishes to exchange personal contact information and/or arrange an in-person meeting with her, and the Member has satisfied certain criteria as described below in the “Qualified Members” section, the Member will be referred to an Independent Company/Agency Representative ("ICAR") within the former Soviet Union who will assist him with his request. IPG will not assist with or in any other way facilitate arrangements pertaining to the exchange of personal contact information and/or in-person meetings between the Member and the Foreign National Client.

The ICAR will provide all the tools, steps, and services necessary to comply with the background information notification and release requirements of the IMBRA, which, in compliance with the law, are prerequisites to facilitating the exchange of personal contact information and/or in-person meetings between Foreign National Clients and Members who utilize the Services.

The ICAR will:

Forward the approved Client Attestation Form to the Member, and upon receipt of the completed Client Attestation Form, facilitate translation of the background information contained within, and forward it to the Foreign National Client.
Secure the Foreign National Client’s signed release, only if, after reviewing the Client Attestation, the Foreign National Client agrees to meet with the Member and/or authorizes the disclosure of her personal contact information to the Member.
Facilitate the exchange of personal contact information and/or provide travel services in compliance with IMBRA regulations, so, should the Member and Foreign National Client decide to apply for a K-1 visa or seek other immigration options in the future, the potential obstacles to the process are mitigated to the greatest extent possible.

Qualified Members: IPG reserves the right to refer only Qualified Members to an ICAR. “Qualified” Members are those Members who have maintained a paid membership (Silver, Gold, or Platinum) for at least three continuous months, and who have purchased a minimum of 2,500 credits throughout the duration of their membership.

[PeeWee]

thankyou all for input.  i guess i was supposed to supply my own background check. I guess i shouldnt use the word "floored"   nothing should suprise me anymore, but there were like plans of where we going sightseeing 2 days before it was sent in and had been chatting for about 2 months.   she was on another site too, so probably had several guys  lined up. but i will send in bkgd report which costs about 10 bucks.   happy 4th. jj

Happy 4th jay jay. Do you think that she was communicating with others? I would expect it and be surprised if any of them were not. They know that the odds of you actually showing up in the FSU are slim to none so why would they not play the odds? They have too.

Peewee

[Turboguy]

By all means since the background check is only $ 10.00 why not.  I really think you might want to also think about alterneate ways to meet ladies.  There are better ways.

[jj]

you are right BillyB about the "qualified member".  I was qualified and the representative in usa referred me to an agency in FSU to get the documents e-mailed to me.  I will do like recommended and scout out various ladies on various sites. 

[Vaughn]

T/G wrote:

I really think you might want to also think about alternate ways to meet ladies.  There are better ways.

I would hope so! For crying out loud, why would anybody
deal with a firm so insistent on controlling your lives? Whatever
happened to write her a few letters, call her up, and then fly over
for that picnic in the forest?

Qualified members, ICAR's, assistance with requests, paid
credits - someone clue me in - is IMBRA required to simply
make contact with a lady  ....er, pardon me, Foreign
National Client? If I wanted to start all over again (and for
the record, I wouldn't) I'd simply hop a jet and make my
own luck. No membership fees, no attestation forms....   
   and I believe, by circumventing the agency intro, you're
relieved from IMBRA compliance as well.

Lemme ask everyone this: if my hypothetical cost-free membership
agency had twelve pages of drop-dead gorgeous women, ranging
in age from 21 to 45, none of whom spoke English - and to qualify
to meet them, speak with them by phone, or even simply write to
them, my agency required you to communicate only in the Russian
language - how many of you would be willing to take that
plunge?

[Turboguy]

Vaughn,

I am not even sure the government knows how IMBRA works yet.  I think they are feeling their way through it and making up rules as they go.  For example there were thousands of people who had their interview dates set and in some cases completed and approved, then had their approvals rescinded or their interviews cancelled while their ap was sent back to NVC for a criminal background check.

As far as how it works with agencies,  yes, they are supposed to supply the gal with your information and criminal record before you even make contact.   For example how it is working at Elena's models now is if I see a girl that I am interested in, before, I clicked a link and her address would appear.  Now I click the link.  They send her my data and background info and if she approves it then when I click the link her address will appear.  Otherwise I get a notice that they are waiting for approval.  I have to keep checking back on each girl and see if she approved me.

[Michelangelo]

Vaughn,

I am not even sure the government knows how IMBRA works yet.  I think they are feeling their way through it and making up rules as they go.  For example there were thousands of people who had their interview dates set and in some cases completed and approved, then had their approvals rescinded or their interviews cancelled while their ap was sent back to NVC for a criminal background check.

As far as how it works with agencies,  yes, they are supposed to supply the gal with your information and criminal record before you even make contact.   For example how it is working at Elena's models now is if I see a girl that I am interested in, before, I clicked a link and her address would appear.  Now I click the link.  They send her my data and background info and if she approves it then when I click the link her address will appear.  Otherwise I get a notice that they are waiting for approval.  I have to keep checking back on each girl and see if she approved me.

So it looks to me like, if your girl is from Ukraine, it's better to marry her there and do a DCF, and bypass all that crap.  But of course you have to meet her first :-); and if you use an agency, fool with the IMBRA stuff anyway...

[Jack]

Guys, this Russian Love Match, is it the same outfit as HOT Russian Brides?

[Thronnos]

Hey Jack,

Yes, Russian Love Match and Hot Russian Brides are sister sites.

[Marc Dayton]

Might be a bait and switch.

A question for you on your e-mails you sent, Do you get all e-mails back from her so fast that you felt WOW this girl likes me?

Think of how e-mails work with an agency. First you send your e-mail up to a 12 hour time difference then the Agency must call or contact the girl about your e-mail. Then in one of two ways she writes back to you. By phone call with agency? Or by coming to the agency office with a letter to be sent to you?

Know let me tell you my biggest problem with RW in my program when it comes to letters. Many girls don’t have phone, many girls don’t have cars, and 99% don’t have computers at home.

It can take me days to contact RW by phone. It can take sometime a week before a RW will stop by the office to see if she has a letter. Then if my Office has many letters to send it can take one day after we get the letter to translated and send back to you.

So with all this I am only trying to say if all letters come back to you in 24 hours or less something might be a bit wrong.

Some girls can get back to you quick, if agency gets all letters back asap something is just not Wright. Bait & switch maybe ?

Good Luck

[jj]

yes marc, my e-mails were very prompt by the next day.  e-mails were answered but she never intiated any first e-mails.  My opinion was that the girl was probably called and told to answer me.  Or the translater just said what she wanted to.  One day before the documents were submitted (without background results added,which was my fault for  thinking they were doing that)  we were making plans.  after i was notified that she no longer wanted to correspond, i tryed to get on chat with her as usual to wish her luck, and thank her for chats, but she said she was busy and  she promptly bleeped me off.    So my main question put forth on this subject: was it because i failed to send in the background check along with the basic information form?   I  am not complaining about cost of corresponding but am learning fast about  not knowing who is sending your e-mails, or at least how things are translated.  I am off and running again, albeit  cautiously-Ha :-)

[Turboguy]

You are doing fine.  We all make some mistakes in judgement.  I wish I had a resource like this long ago when I started.  It could have saved me a ton of disappointment and money as well.   You will be fine.   Just keep trying things and learning and the right gal is out there.