Hi everyone! Mid twenties male from Australia! going to Ukraine soon :)

[russty]

Hi guys,
I have just joined this forum.
Ok, so I am 24 and from Australia! I live in a beautiful city on the east coast with some of the best beaches in the world! I have a really cool job which I love, and I am a pretty normal guy! (in spite of this crazy pursuit of women from the other side of the world - yes I know it is crazy!)

I joined this forum because I am absolutely committed to meeting a lady from Eastern Europe! I really am prepared to put 100% effort into this. .
I have been on a dating site for about 3 months now. I get the feeling that a lot of girls seem more curious about me more than anything. And they are not so sure that I am really so serious about marriage..
I am only really interested in ladies at least my age, preferably a couple years older.

 I am going to Ukraine for about a week in 2 months - very excited! I have actually been to Eastern Europe before, just last year, but this was before I even thought about looking for a serious partner from a different country.

Well that's my introduction,
I have a lot of questions, and I am eager for advice so I will post some topics soon.
Thanks!
Russty

[Shadow]

Welcome Russty. I am not surprised the ladies are questioning you being serious, as your young age works against you.
Not many men at that age are truly serious about anything in life.

Take your time, and be sure to have both time and money to spend on this. You are young enough not to marry the first girl that gives her phone number.

[Chelseaboy]

Welcome to the forum russty.

Regarding age it works both ways,as you'll find very few Ukrainian women under 30 are serious about anything in life either..especially in regard to marrying a foreign man.

[BillyB]

I have been on a dating site for about 3 months now. I get the feeling that a lot of girls seem more curious about me more than anything.

What site are you using? Just make sure you're not trading love letters with Igor, the Employee of the month. There's a list of good sites at the top of the Starting out section that many of us used successfully.

And they are not so sure that I am really so serious about marriage..

You have an advantage over most of us men with your youth. Your disadvantage could be your maturity and the ladies are questioning that. They'll know how serious you are when you buy a plane ticket. All they see in the last 3 months is talk. Before buying a ticket, get their number and talk to them on the phone often. You should also question those young ladies seriousness in their interest in you and if they aren't happy talking to you on the phone, don't buy a ticket.

[jone]

Hey Russty,

I think you'll have the time of your life.  Who says at 24 you need to find the love of your life.  If it happens, it happens.  Take each day as a gift and you will be amazed at how people will enjoy your presence and the women that will find you attractive.  Go to Ukraine!  Break some hearts!  Meet new friends!  Enjoy life!

Oh, and the women that you are talking to on the dating sites?  They are probably paid to be there.  Or even guys.  There are ways around these things.  That is what this forum is here for.

[russty]

Hey Guys,

Flights are already booked, I am going to Ukraine - there is no doubt about that! I have been using Elena's models, its a pretty good site. I am sure that the ladies on there are real!
I am only planning to meet one lady that I have been chatting to from Elena's Models. Elena (owner of the site) strongly recommends this, and I think she's right. I don't think a girl would be very impressed if she was just one of many that you were going over there to meet. Not very romantic.

Don't get me wrong guys, if things don't work out with this girl, it is not going to ruin my holiday - I have been reading so damn much about Ukraine lately. So I will go there and see it for myself! If we click then that's great! if not then well that's ok as well. Although I am really keen on the gal!!

[southernX]

RUSSTY , WELCOME MATE 

nice to have another aussie here ,

elenas is a good site imho

coupla questions rus  how long have you known the girl your going to visit ?
big play just visiting one girl straight up , hope youve invested some time to get to know her 


when do you go ?
where are you going to exactly in ukraine ?
who are you flying with and to where ?/

did you get onto emirates ?they do the best flights direct from oz to dubai , then into ukraine , about 19-22 hours all up , highly reccomend them to you 

so your in sydney /brissie hey ?

how long are you there for ??  great holiday anyway ,

keep reading and asking , you will get lots of the good oil here
SX

[russty]

Hi,
Yeah! Elena's is good!
Well have only been writing to her for about 3 months. I guess I really don't know her all that well. I know that she is sincere. I know that I like her and she likes me. But anything else, well I just cant say - meeting in person is the only way to know I think. But I mean if we just don't click in real life, then I will still have a great holiday. I have read on the net about heaps of marriage agencies in Ukraine that can introduce you to ladies pretty quickly if you are there in person, so I guess I could give that a go...

I am going in the middle of April, yep flying with Emirates and spending 1 night in Dubai. Will check out Kiev for the first two days then going to Poltava. I would like to see Kherson (correct spelling?) as well as I have read that its a great place.... but I am only going for 10 days, so I just don't think I will have enough time.

If I love the place, I will probably go over again July/August.

By the way, have you guys been checking out the pictures posted by the member Jack? Knockout good looking girls! Does he know these gals? How?

[Patagonie]

Hey Guys,

Flights are already booked, I am going to Ukraine - there is no doubt about that! I have been using Elena's models, its a pretty good site. I am sure that the ladies on there are real!
I am only planning to meet one lady that I have been chatting to from Elena's Models. Elena (owner of the site) strongly recommends this, and I think she's right. I don't think a girl would be very impressed if she was just one of many that you were going over there to meet. Not very romantic.

Don't get me wrong guys, if things don't work out with this girl, it is not going to ruin my holiday - I have been reading so damn much about Ukraine lately. So I will go there and see it for myself! If we click then that's great! if not then well that's ok as well. Although I am really keen on the gal!!

It had been a long time that i read what EM says.
But i didn't remember the same as you.
I just remember that EM said that if you want to success you have to be ready to commit and when time is come to do it and to focus on one girl and only one (and she has to do the same, if possible at the same moment). I totally agree with this, this is one lesson that i got from reading her.
However you are absolutely not committed at this step, for the moment you are just a penpal relationship.
To be clearer there is absolutely no need to be commited at this level of relationship.

[Patagonie]

You have 10 days to spend in Poltava.

why it can not work ?
The first trap is that you believe that the "how sweet she is with me" is love or attraction, NO it is how eastern women treat their men and it why we are so damned hooked.
The second trap is that ,  if nothing really happens and is she is not interested, she politely treats you as a guest in her city. So the adventure would have a taste of "aussie, just be good friends".

It is time to invest your time to find  a good agency in Poltava (you are lucky it seems to me that there is at least one) and you can go to Kharkov (forget Kherson) which is the closest big city. In Kharkov there are many good agencies.

Don't loose your time. She is interested or not. In maximum three meetings you should be able to assess it. And so perform accordingly. If she is not interested and don't do the move, IT IS YOU who would have to do it.
You are the man you set up the dance. Panimaesch ?

[russty]

"you are absolutely not committed"

Not committed? C'mon mate I have just booked flights to go half way around the world!

[Patagonie]

"you are absolutely not committed"

Not committed? C'mon mate I have just booked flights to go half way around the world!

Sorry but this not commitment.
Commitment is when people have a real relationship (with sex it is preferable), they know each other for a while and have determined that their goals are matching, AND BOTH decide to become faithfull to the other and FOCUS emotionnaly only on this one (i make this statement because a lot of guys have this type of relationship but they are still writing to a bunch of profiles and make plans to meet them in their head).

Don't get too much excited to protect you.

[Shadow]

By the way, have you guys been checking out the pictures posted by the member Jack? Knockout good looking girls! Does he know these gals? How?

Jack knew a lot of girls, as he was an agency owner. The pictures are of slightly above average women walking around. Unfortunately Jack is no longer with us, otherwise he would have been happy to supply you with some phone numbers.... at a price,

[Shadow]

"you are absolutely not committed"

Not committed? C'mon mate I have just booked flights to go half way around the world!

She should be impressed that you actually show up for a date ?
Most Ukrainian man do not make the women travel to their place for a date, just in case Aussies do it different. 

[sleepycat]

Not committed? C'mon mate I have just booked flights to go half way around the world!

Believe me...you're not committed. It can all go pear shaped within five minutes of the actual first meeting.
I was in the same situation in May last year. I went to St Petersburg on a WOVO trip to meet a lady that I had been corresponding with for several months (I was using the EM site as well). Within the first three or four days I could see that at best the lady was luke warm and at worst she was showing little interest. I tried to salvage it and kept seeing the lady for the remainder of my 10 day trip. By the time I left St Pete's it was clear that no relationship is ever going to develop between me and her. What I should have done was to cut bait after the first few days and give myself an opportunity to look for other ladies in that city.

It's expensive to do a trip from Oz to Europe and you can only do it so many times before it puts a big dent in your bank balance. Make sure you don't waste your trip by putting all your eggs in one basket!

[russty]

You guys...

Well that's why I am going there. To meet face to face. I don't want to be emailing a girl for months then find out in reality that we don't click.

I talk to a girl, we like each other so now I will go there and see if we like each other in real life. Easy!

[Patagonie]

Believe me...you're not committed. It can all go pear shaped within five minutes of the actual first meeting.
I was in the same situation in May last year. I went to St Petersburg on a WOVO trip to meet a lady that I had been corresponding with for several months (I was using the EM site as well). Within the first three or four days I could see that at best the lady was luke warm and at worst she was showing little interest. I tried to salvage it and kept seeing the lady for the remainder of my 10 day trip. By the time I left St Pete's it was clear that no relationship is ever going to develop between me and her. What I should have done was to cut bait after the first few days and give myself an opportunity to look for other ladies in that city.

It's expensive to do a trip from Oz to Europe and you can only do it so many times before it puts a big dent in your bank balance. Make sure you don't waste your trip by putting all your eggs in one basket!

Thank you for you coming tell your story.
What happened to you happened to a LOT of guys (myself included).


I retype what you wrote : Make sure you don't waste your trip by putting all your eggs in one basket!

There are not a lot of guys who are ready  to make an other VO after they had been burnt one time. I don't say he should'nt, i just say that he should schedule some backup. Which is the usual advice here on the forum.

[Pkeel1]

Hello Russty, keep in mind at all times.  Everyone is different and what works for one will not necessarily work for another.

I spent 5 months talking to one particular lady before I went to visit.  With my job, I did not have the option of taking time off until then.  I went to meet her and only her.  For me, it is not possible to try to have a stable of ladies and whittle them down.  It just is not me.  I will also tell you that my lady was well aware I was only considering her and it meant a lot to her.  I probably got lucky, but despite what everyone will tell you... You can tell a great deal about a lady from what she writes and from how she behaves before you even meet her.

Sure, only in person can you really tell, but don't forget, it is just as possible that meeting in person will be even better.  Everyone talks about how it can all go south in 5 minutes, but it can also go the other way just as easily. 

Also, Russty when people are telling you you are not committed, they mean you are not committed to this girl.  It seems you are taking it to mean that you are not committed to the search.

[Shadow]

You guys...

Well that's why I am going there. To meet face to face. I don't want to be emailing a girl for months then find out in reality that we don't click.

I talk to a girl, we like each other so now I will go there and see if we like each other in real life. Easy!

That is the right spirit. Just do not forget that if there is any doubt on your side that she likes you, she does not and its time to explore the other specimens.

[Muzh]

Hi Russty and 
 
Now, please don't take this the wrong way but why Ukraine? You are 24 starting your life with plenty to do. Do you mind sharing your point of view on this endeavor?

[southernX]

russty ,

yes your committed , but not to her , your committed it seems to the plan of actually seeking out the best potential mate you can with an aim of marriage in the future ,at present you have taken the first step of travelling  to meet her ,

all the time you have spent so far can turn to nothing pretty quickly if the chemistry aint spot on with her & it all just doesnt gel with her in person ,

hopefully if youve done some reading , [seems you have ] & you have set some guidelines on the sort of person you would like to meet from the profiles , your talked openly and honestly , skyped etc for the last 3 months , then youve set a base to begin from ,

april is a good time to go , it is the start of spring , warmer , and more positive
id agree with pat, go to kharkiv,if it falls over with your girl ,

my  tips to you

keep an open mind and positive attitude to all you will see and encounter, ,apartments, cars, roads, food , people , everything you experience ,  dont get caught up in pre judging too much , let it flow , it is different to australia , but it is a beautiful place if you allow yourself to ''see'' it and enjoy it

be totally honest at all times with your dates , there radar is second to none if you start to tell innocent bullshit to ease over or into , out of something , be honest !!

keep your word !!
if you say you will do something , then do it !!!  no matter what !! sounds really simple , but if you have no intention of doing something , then dont talk about it or use words like , we might , possibly , im not sure , we could , all of these can be seen as promises or you are not seriuos /responsible able to make decisions ,
just yes or no and follow through with it !!  if you dont follow through on what you say you will be seen to be untrustworthy or unreliable very quickly, , the one thing most women there hate with passion [actually most women in general lol ]

dont be critical in comparing , all countrys are DIFFERENT , not better or worse , the people who live in them love their homeland for good and bad , they may say negatives , but you must not !!

stay safe , enjoy it , keep your eyes on your lady , [you will see some headspinners on the street and metro trust me ]

best wishes SX