Advice about just going to FSU

[Nathan1982]

Been trying out elenasmodels for a little while now. I'm finding the women to be a bit flaky; for example 45 minutes after a schedule first skype call I get a PM from the girl that just says:

Hi! Sorry! I can`t come into skype 2night(

Another example is I asked another girl if she had skype and she said she does but doesn't use it much. OK... so...goodbye then?
And another turned out to be a scammer.
Online chat courting doesn't really work well for me it seems, because sometimes it takes days to get a response that is generally less than a paragraph and usually is just a sentence. In addition to that it becomes like, well you only answered like 1 or 2 things out of the big list of stuff I said, should I just keep repeating stuff? It's a slow-moving process for me so far. And out of the 4 girls I've talked to primarily, one gave her skype but has not replied since, as it takes her a few days to bother to get around to me, one said she had skype but doesn't use it much and didn't give me her account, one told me she had skype but didn't give me the address (and I didn't ask for it because she speaks literally zero english and I can't imagine what use a video chat would be for us, other than to verify she's real) and the other one gave me her account and stood me up.

So anyway it's a bit annoying but I suppose it could be expected, as I'm contacting young women who likely already have a boyfriend and/or are filing through a million messages a day.

So that's my reality right now.

I have the means and desire for travel. Unfortunately I must return to the USA for a couple of months now, but afterwards I will be back in Asia.

My question to you is, if I just up and move to Ukraine for a while, maybe go to Latvia and Russia, without having anyone waiting to meet me, do you think this can be fruitful? I'm not in a super hurry, but at the rate that I'm talking to these girls it will be 50 years before I could be comfortable feeling like I know anything real about them.


PS why does every PM from a girl have one or several of these: "((((("

[Shadow]

Most of the women actually have a life and do not just sit behind the PC waiting for Prince Charming.
If you go to the FSU expecting women will throw themselves at you, better give up on that idea. Unless you are willing to flash a lot of money and prepared to continue spending it in loads the forseable future. You can not buy love, but companionship is possible.

[Patagonie]

welcome to the international dating.
You seem quite impatient.
You have no clear schedule to go to FSU, but you want that all girls you contact answer you in the day and rush on Skype.
They send you just a sentence or a paragraph ? Perhaps she receives a dozen letters per day and she is beginner in english, why she should send you a roman ?  Is your profile interesting ? What are you writing interesting to get a roman ?
Yes you are right it is better to have some prospects before flying. But i want to ask you a question : do you write to many girls in FSU, or you just write to ladies who belons to A city ?

[Turboguy]

I think Pat is on the right track.  I think you are just expecting too much to fast.  I think when a woman is really interested and thinks you might be the right one she would love to skype with you but you may be wanting them to invest too much time while you are just in an early stage of communicating and the commitment is just not there for them yet.


As far as just going there I never had much luck just wondering the streets and hoping to meet ladies but if you combine a site like Elena's and being there it would probably work great.  In other words if you contact a lady from Kiev and say you are in Kiev the chances she would be willing to meet you would be quite good as long as she is not already committed and thinks there is some appeal for her in the things she knows about you.

[Shadow]

PS why does every PM from a girl have one or several of these: "((((("

Just saw your PS.

In Russia the smilies are usually still made by typing, and using multiple characters displays the level of emotion.
)))))) shows happy, ((((( is for sad.

[Larry1]

Been trying out elenasmodels for a little while now. I'm finding the women to be a bit flaky; for example 45 minutes after a schedule first skype call I get a PM from the girl that just says:Another example is I asked another girl if she had skype and she said she does but doesn't use it much. OK... so...goodbye then?
And another turned out to be a scammer.
Online chat courting doesn't really work well for me it seems, because sometimes it takes days to get a response that is generally less than a paragraph and usually is just a sentence. In addition to that it becomes like, well you only answered like 1 or 2 things out of the big list of stuff I said, should I just keep repeating stuff? It's a slow-moving process for me so far. And out of the 4 girls I've talked to primarily, one gave her skype but has not replied since, as it takes her a few days to bother to get around to me, one said she had skype but doesn't use it much and didn't give me her account, one told me she had skype but didn't give me the address (and I didn't ask for it because she speaks literally zero english and I can't imagine what use a video chat would be for us, other than to verify she's real) and the other one gave me her account and stood me up...

Welcome to the world of international dating.  It is typically a long, arduous process beset by all manner of difficulties and challenges.  You have described one of the common difficulties: girls who aren't serious about their search or at least aren't serious about you (I tend to think it's the former).  I wish I had a ruble for every time I was given an excuse/reason why a girl couldn't talk on skype or was supposed to come on skype to talk but never showed.  Here are just a few from my memory:

Artem is sick
My webcam is broke (judging from the frequency with which I heard this excuse I think webcams in FSU must be as reliable as the old Trabant automobiles)
I don't want to disturb my roommates
Sasha wants to sleep in the living room tonight instead of his bedroom (where the computer was kept)
I have to drive Sasha to karate class
I have to help Sasha with his homework (different Sasha and different mother from the one above)

Of course, all of these might easily have been perfectly legitimate reasons for a person not to come on skype.  But when the excuses start to pile up and the girl rarely or never actually shows up on skype, it's time to "next" her.

I should note that a number of these FSUW from whom I heard these excuses are still on the dating sites and are actually looking to find a guy.  Both Sashas' mothers have been on the sites for pushing a decade now and lament their inability to find a good guy.  And they are, respectively, good-looking and great-looking.

I chatted on skype a number of times with one girl named Natalia and kept asking her to talk to me on video.  She always refused.  I moved on to other girls but she had become a facebook friend so we would occasionally chat briefly. She told me that she really wanted to find a relationship but hadn't been successful doing so.  I found myself in her country, about a 10-12 hour train trip from her. Things hadn't worked out with the girl I went to visit.  So I chatted with Natalia and we discussed the possibility of meeting.  FINALLY, she came on video for a talk.  It was nice to see her; she was as attractive as her most appealing photos.  I think if she had actually showed up on webcam a few times before that I would have been visiting her instead of the girl I did go to visit. 

I agree with Turboguy: If you tell a girl you are in her city she may well decide to at least meet with  you.  When I was in Kiev at loose ends I contacted several girls online and told them I was in Kiev and I would like to meet with them. They did agree to meet with me. 

[GQBlues]

Been trying out elenasmodels for a little while now. I'm finding the women to be a bit flaky; for example 45 minutes after a schedule first skype call I get a PM from the girl that just says:Another example is I asked another girl if she had skype and she said she does but doesn't use it much. OK... so...goodbye then?

And another turned out to be a scammer.

Online chat courting doesn't really work well for me it seems, because sometimes it takes days to get a response that is generally less than a paragraph and usually is just a sentence. In addition to that it becomes like, well you only answered like 1 or 2 things out of the big list of stuff I said, should I just keep repeating stuff? It's a slow-moving process for me so far. And out of the 4 girls I've talked to primarily, one gave her skype but has not replied since, as it takes her a few days to bother to get around to me, one said she had skype but doesn't use it much and didn't give me her account, one told me she had skype but didn't give me the address (and I didn't ask for it because she speaks literally zero english and I can't imagine what use a video chat would be for us, other than to verify she's real) and the other one gave me her account and stood me up.....

Let's face it, Dude...you and I know looking like Brad Pitt - these things will and/or can never happen to you. Obviously you don't, so pshyt happens.

That's life, man. No one has an advice to change that...I know, I know BillyB will try to convince he has, but you're going to have to learn sooner or later bullpshyt talks...

Of course, the surprising thing is, even really old farts get attention in FSU where you can't seem to get, so you have something else going there. Mind telling us what it is?

[Patagonie]

Larry and Turboguy are right.

The killer thing is to tell to the lady : i will be in your city in three weeks, i propose you to have a little correspondance before to know each other better if you like my profile.
PS : this is a copy of my flight tickets.

Believe me if you are not ugly many ladies are ready to meet you. I did it my first trip and i met two of the top list of EM for a total of three on 7 phone numbers i got. 

And give them this copy of your tickets because so many guys are just lying, just to have a letter, many are capable to kill their grandmothers just to get some attention. 

[LAman]

welcome to the international dating.
You seem quite impatient.
You have no clear schedule to go to FSU, but you want that all girls you contact answer you in the day and rush on Skype.
They send you just a sentence or a paragraph ? Perhaps she receives a dozen letters per day and she is beginner in english, why she should send you a roman ?  Is your profile interesting ? What are you writing interesting to get a roman ?
Yes you are right it is better to have some prospects before flying. But i want to ask you a question : do you write to many girls in FSU, or you just write to ladies who belons to A city ?

I think Pat is on the right track.  I think you are just expecting too much to fast.  I think when a woman is really interested and thinks you might be the right one she would love to skype with you but you may be wanting them to invest too much time while you are just in an early stage of communicating and the commitment is just not there for them yet.


As far as just going there I never had much luck just wondering the streets and hoping to meet ladies but if you combine a site like Elena's and being there it would probably work great.  In other words if you contact a lady from Kiev and say you are in Kiev the chances she would be willing to meet you would be quite good as long as she is not already committed and thinks there is some appeal for her in the things she knows about you.

Why is it that its the guys fault when he uses the 'preferred site', Elenas Models, yet I wonder know exactly what would be said if it was a PPL.......it the site dude full of scammers, your wasting your time an money!!!
Knowledge is the key....with lots of luck and a dose of reality.

[ML]

Why is it that its the guys fault when he uses the 'preferred site', Elenas Models, yet I wonder know exactly what would be said if it was a PPL.......it the site dude full of scammers, your wasting your time an money!!!
Knowledge is the key....with lots of luck and a dose of reality.

Elena's was never my 'preferred' site.  In fact, I never used it. 
I generally looked at it as I was preparing for a new WMVM trip, but it never met my criteria of having many women in a specified city who met my initial screening needs.

The other match sites listed in Pursuing FSUW 101 were and are far superior to Elena's.  I never understand this obsession with Elena's.  Must be some 'kick back' fees being paid somehow!!!