Skype

[santo]

I have been meeting girls on Elena's models.  It's amazing how many beautiful women respond to my emails and want to start correspondence with me.  Is this real? The thing that makes me question this is when I ask them to Skype, most of them back out and don't want to continue writing.  Is it a faux pas to ask to Skype early on?  I want to see them and check if there is chemistry before becoming pen pals with some 300kg guy named Boris.

I met a really nice girl that I have been voice chatting with on Skype but when I asked to video chat with her she disappeared.  Red flag?  I'm strill trying to figure all this out and it's not easy.

[steveboy]

Its pretty simple really. Firstly 99.9% of FSUW use Skype, especially if they are dating. If they are willing to mail you but not chat in Skype they are fake. If they are voice chatting but do not want video chat, probably fake as well. Many girls will even give you a phone number to call them on to try to make themselves more authentic, but when it comes to Skype, hey what! the web cam has conveniently broke 

Bottom line is, after a few mails if they are interested they will chat in Skype. If not forget them. And who wants to wast time communicating via e mail. Its what they did about twenty years ago! ( Im not sure if the net was about then)

[santo]

Lol that's what I thought and its why I insist early on to Skype.

I did Skype with two pretty attractive girls already though.  One was a complete nutcase and the other did not want a second Skype date.   Well I have been at it for two weeks so let's see where this goes.

What about the girls that say they don't speak English?  Dont most girls in Russia speak some English now?

[steveboy]

Lol that's what I thought and its why I insist early on to Skype.

I did Skype with two pretty attractive girls already though.  One was a complete nutcase and the other did not want a second Skype date.   Well I have been at it for two weeks so let's see where this goes.

What about the girls that say they don't speak English?  Dont most girls in Russia speak some English now?

If they don't speak English its probably more trouble than its worth, unless you hire one of those rip off merchants selling 3 way Skype conversations at some stupid price, plenty of those about!
If you want a easy mission stick to English speaking women there are plenty about. If they don't speak english of course she may be a very nice women, but do you need the trouble of going back to school again!?

No speak English/No Skype no deal. Keeps it simple

[Hammer2722]

Lol that's what I thought and its why I insist early on to Skype.

I did Skype with two pretty attractive girls already though.  One was a complete nutcase and the other did not want a second Skype date.   Well I have been at it for two weeks so let's see where this goes.

What about the girls that say they don't speak English?  Dont most girls in Russia speak some English now?

Santo, if you are dead set on Skyping with a RW who does not speak English, there are plenty of Skype translation add on applications you can download. Some are free and some cost money. Some are good and some bad. I do recommend you stick with ladies who can converse in English well. It will save you a ton of mis-understandings.
 
I have to agree with stevie though, if they don't want to Skype after a few chats or e-mails, better to move on. There just too many sincere women out there who will be willing to Skype. Just make sure that you keep your promises to them and follow through....

[cc3]

Lol that's what I thought and its why I insist early on to Skype.

I did Skype with two pretty attractive girls already though.  One was a complete nutcase and the other did not want a second Skype date.   Well I have been at it for two weeks so let's see where this goes.

What about the girls that say they don't speak English?  Dont most girls in Russia speak some English now?

No. They are European-Asians. There are many who would rather learn German or one of the Romance languages as their second language. Mandatory English required at lower educational levels is just that ...mandatory, thus not much absorbed. My fiancee is a private English tutor of teenagers, hired by parents who know the value of having at least a minimum level of usable English and who are aware that the schools are not really providing it.

[steveboy]

Santo, if you are dead set on Skyping with a RW who does not speak English, there are plenty of Skype translation add on applications you can download. Some are free and some cost money. Some are good and some bad. I do recommend you stick with ladies who can converse in English well. It will save you a ton of mis-understandings.
 
I have to agree with stevie though, if they don't want to Skype after a few chats or e-mails, better to move on. There just too many sincere women out there who will be willing to Skype. Just make sure that you keep your promises to them and follow through....

Yes that is a very good point to keep your promises and follow through, because so often is the case for many new guys it is like being stuck in a candy shop, one girl comes along, next min you dump her and move onto the next, two mins with her and she's forgotten and your straight on to another girl. Well I did it myself  But its not good practise!

[CanadaMan]

I have been meeting girls on Elena's models....The thing that makes me question this is when I ask them to Skype, most of them back out and don't want to continue writing.  Is it a faux pas to ask to Skype early on? ...
I met a really nice girl that I have been voice chatting with on Skype but when I asked to video chat with her she disappeared.  Red flag?  I'm strill trying to figure all this out and it's not easy.

Santo, Steve and Hammer have got it right.
Don't sweat the ones who back out of Skyping.

I have used Elena's too and had some 'interesting' experiences with it.
More than a few women have been 'less than honest'.

One of many possible reasons they are avoiding Skype is that they don't look like their photos. One nice woman admitted after quite a few correspondences that she is six years older than her posted age. Soon after, another year was added to her age.

Sometimes a woman may simply be having a bad hair day and not wish to Skype. Let her choose an appropriate day/time to Skype. If she still balks, I would move on.

You discovered the power of Skyping yourself. You were able to 'weed out' a couple of women almost immediately when they were on camera.
It sounds like you know what you are doing.

[LAman]

Yea, and after all this 'weeding  out', maybe there will be only barren land????
 
Of course he knows what he's doing.....he following all advice here to a tee!!! Recommended site and all!!!
I wonder if price charming is the reason many girls are backing out???? no, gotts to be the bad girls. Then again, EM weeds them out for the guys, don't they???
Based on following the advice here I am sure in the forseeable future he will have found his 'girl' on EM and be preparing for that all important K-1.
 
Funny how when there are issues on 'pay monthly sites'.... it's the girls, weed out the bad ones. Yet if it's a ppl, its the site.....no mention to 'weed out' any girls.
I hope the OP slows down some a bit, maybe expecting too much in a short time.....

[Hammer2722]

Yea, and after all this 'weeding  out', maybe there will be only barren land????
 
Of course he knows what he's doing.....he following all advice here to a tee!!! Recommended site and all!!!
I wonder if price charming is the reason many girls are backing out???? no, gotts to be the bad girls. Then again, EM weeds them out for the guys, don't they???
Based on following the advice here I am sure in the forseeable future he will have found his 'girl' on EM and be preparing for that all important K-1.
 
Funny how when there are issues on 'pay monthly sites'.... it's the girls, weed out the bad ones. Yet if it's a ppl, its the site.....no mention to 'weed out' any girls.
I hope the OP slows down some a bit, maybe expecting too much in a short time.....

Perhaps rather than criticizing other's advice you could offer up some of your wisdoms of success.....

[Shadow]

Most women do not enjoy seeing a half naked ape in an untidy room talking with an unintelligeble accent. That may have to do with them being kind of careful regarding using Skype.
While I would agree that most RW use Skype (the ones that do not will use ICQ), in a very large amount of cases they will use the text chat, as it replaces the MSN they used before.
To be honest, while using Skype daily, I do not like to use the voice chat or video.Too distracting from the work.

[LAman]

Perhaps rather than criticizing other's advice you could offer up some of your wisdoms of success.....

I did hammer.....read my last line!!!

[steveboy]

Its best to steer well clear of the Russian brides memorabilia firms offering 3 way Skype communication, ( you pay them about Euros 35 an hour) would you really want to look a complete idiot and have some other muppet listening in and getting involved in a personal conversation!!

[GQBlues]

I have been meeting girls on Elena's models.  It's amazing how many beautiful women respond to my emails and want to start correspondence with me.  Is this real? The thing that makes me question this is when I ask them to Skype, most of them back out and don't want to continue writing.  Is it a faux pas to ask to Skype early on?  I want to see them and check if there is chemistry before becoming pen pals with some 300kg guy named Boris.

I met a really nice girl that I have been voice chatting with on Skype but when I asked to video chat with her she disappeared.  Red flag?  I'm strill trying to figure all this out and it's not easy.

I met my wife through EM back in '04, pre-Skype era. I think Skype revolutionized much of the MOB these days, where back in time, phone-calls through phonecards was the only available 'preferred' communication venue outside of emails...but then, during that time, Russia still relied heavily on internet cafes & home computers that were still generally running on dial-up modems...my wife's home computer then was running on 14.4 kbs modem. I remember having that back in the early '90s.

I can't understand why the women you mentioned seem to avoid Skype. It may well be what one poster said that the photos used on EM is aged. I mentioned on this board I'm careful to recommend EM today despite the fact that's where I met wifey for the simple reason at least two of the females still featured on this site's EM banner are two of the women I contacted back then. Obviously those photos are at least 9-10 years old today....

Of course, I doubt this is what's happening with you considering your age. So the only thing I can think of is, the photos posted on EM of the women you've contacted could be highly 'photo-shopped' if not air-brushed. Skype gives you the real time, real-deal look at these women.

I can't advise you one way or another other than to say 'stay alert' and do your diligence.

[CanadaMan]

To be honest, while using Skype daily, I do not like to use the voice chat or video.Too distracting from the work.

I am sure if you were back on the dating scene you would quickly become a fan of using the video chat feature. 

[JohnDearGreen]

I met a really nice girl that I have been voice chatting with on Skype but when I asked to video chat with her she disappeared.  Red flag?  I'm strill trying to figure all this out and it's not easy.

She probably already has a #1 guy she is skyping with, but hasn't met in person yet.  So she is on the lookout for a possible upgrade with other guys.  But what would you expect her to tell you if she doesn't like you better than her #1 guy?   The problem with a top rated site like EM is there will be stiffer competition.

[flitabout62]

There are plenty of reasons why a woman doesn't want to skype with someone she hasn't met yet.  Some dishonest and some honest.  But if you have a tiny bit of good feeling and interest in talking with her then continue talking, but be cautious.   If there's no interest then move on.

[Faux Pas]

Perhaps rather than criticizing other's advice you could offer up some of your wisdoms of success.....

He don't have any  success that is. Actually,  LA seems to be a fairly knowledgeable guy and has been around for it feels like, as long as I have. He has always been looking. I don't know why he poohs so hard on EMs. Obviously he wasn't as successful there as the majority of the guys here who recommend it. My EM days was also before Skype so maybe things have changed but, my experience with EMs was pleasant enough that I will recommend EMs every time the subject comes up. Telephone was the communication of the day then and at least 90% of the women I communicated with, wanted to speak on the phone after 1-2 emails. I didn't think I was just lucky, I thought that was the natural progression. I can see where Skype has replaced the telephone. Skype was available then but, my now wife's computer couldn't load it as she was still on Windows 95

[LAman]

He don't have any  success that is. Actually,  LA seems to be a fairly knowledgeable guy and has been around for it feels like, as long as I have. He has always been looking. I don't know why he poohs so hard on EMs. Obviously he wasn't as successful there as the majority of the guys here who recommend it. My EM days was also before Skype so maybe things have changed but, my experience with EMs was pleasant enough that I will recommend EMs every time the subject comes up. Telephone was the communication of the day then and at least 90% of the women I communicated with, wanted to speak on the phone after 1-2 emails. I didn't think I was just lucky, I thought that was the natural progression. I can see where Skype has replaced the telephone. Skype was available then but, my now wife's computer couldn't load it as she was still on Windows 95

FP, I normally don't answer to get last word but I did want to address something you mentioned. I respect your viewpoints on many posts you have whether I agree or not. The  word you mentioned is 'success' in terms of relationships leading to and including marriage. Since marriage is 'till death do us part', how can anything less than that be termed a 'success'? I put a high value on the institution of marriage, I was troubled with the fact I got divorced, I do not wish that on anyone, and deeply saddened when children are involved.
 IMO, I cannot understand how someone can marry someone after a few months of correspondence and a week or two of meeting in person, I could never do this....I need time to get to know someone, to be comfortable, but that is just me. In this journey, I started going to distance countries to maybe meet someone who could become my partner. It has evolved into meeting friends, experiencing something new and meeting new people. If I find my partner ( where ever that will be) great, if not then it's not meant to be. If just being married is equating to success, then I would rather not be successful!!! To me ....happiness is what I would prefer. After reading through/sledging through some of the 'shit' here' , I wonder how many are really happy!! I'm smiling...are you???
I apologize to Santo for intruding on this thread!!

[BillyB]

Is it a faux pas to ask to Skype early on?  I want to see them and check if there is chemistry before becoming pen pals with some 300kg guy named Boris.

I met a really nice girl that I have been voice chatting with on Skype but when I asked to video chat with her she disappeared.  Red flag?

   I'm strill trying to figure all this out and it's not easy.

You're making this harder than it has to be. You're worrying about the women that doesn't want to talk to you. Just worry about the women that does want to talk to you.
 
You could be hurting yourself asking for Skype too early. Some of the more popular girls don't have time to chat with the 20 guys a week that ask her to do so. Try to understand the ladies emails more and if you feel you're one of her favorites, you have a good chance to talk to her in Skype. I'd also go after a woman's phone number.
 
 
 

[BillyB]

 

Since marriage is 'till death do us part', how can anything less than that be termed a 'success'? I put a high value on the institution of marriage, I was troubled with the fact I got divorced, I do not wish that on anyone, and deeply saddened when children are involved.

 
Some marriages are in a mess and one or both parties aren't interested in improving it. We can't define marriage as success. We can define what happens within marriage or any relationship as success or failure.
 
 

IMO, I cannot understand how someone can marry someone after a few months of correspondence and a week or two of meeting in person, I could never do this....I need time to get to know someone, to be comfortable, but that is just me.

Being older and wiser I can evaluate in less time much better quality women than my ex-wife who I dated and lived with over a year before marrying her.
 
Hopefully most men and women in this endeavor understands their abilities to evaluate each other before marriage. Unfortunately most people in this endeavor have to make a decision earlier than they'd normally like to because of the distance involved. If a guy told a woman he'd need to date her 30 times before deciding to marry but can only visit once a year, he'd lose a lot of women. Everyone here has to make some sort of adjustment out of the norm.

[Faux Pas]

FP, I normally don't answer to get last word but I did want to address something you mentioned. I respect your viewpoints on many posts you have whether I agree or not. The  word you mentioned is 'success' in terms of relationships leading to and including marriage. Since marriage is 'till death do us part', how can anything less than that be termed a 'success'? I put a high value on the institution of marriage, I was troubled with the fact I got divorced, I do not wish that on anyone, and deeply saddened when children are involved.
 IMO, I cannot understand how someone can marry someone after a few months of correspondence and a week or two of meeting in person, I could never do this....I need time to get to know someone, to be comfortable, but that is just me. In this journey, I started going to distance countries to maybe meet someone who could become my partner. It has evolved into meeting friends, experiencing something new and meeting new people. If I find my partner ( where ever that will be) great, if not then it's not meant to be. If just being married is equating to success, then I would rather not be successful!!! To me ....happiness is what I would prefer. After reading through/sledging through some of the 'shit' here' , I wonder how many are really happy!! I'm smiling...are you???
I apologize to Santo for intruding on this thread!!

LA
IMHO, there are many levels of success in this endeavor. Success isn't just one single accomplishment or a "you have it or you don't" scenario. Having a mutual endearing personal relationship with an FSUW would obviously be the first. Jumping the hurdles to be together is a success and get married would be one. Getting married would be the goal line not the end of the game but, also another success. Getting your wife acclimated to her new country is a success. The list can go on and on. The ultimate success in this endeavor would be to die a happy old man with the woman you love. The longer that relationship, the more successful you were. To me, just going to the FSU and serial dating isn't a success. Anyone can do that, that is willing to spend the time and the money.

I know some guys on the boards and off that have done everything right and have some small success but, can't get to the goal line. No fault of their own other than just hard luck. Some that had successful marriages that ended. I've been married 5 years after a 2 year courtship and it's possible although I feel unlikely, that the bottom could fall out of it tomorrow. I would categorize my marriage to date as successful. If it ended tomorrow it was a successful 5 year marriage. Although, I expect it to be the ultimate successful marriage, all I can do is everything I can do to insure it is.  My point here is, just because a marriage fails doesn't mean it wasn't successful, at some level.

[die_cast]

santo, all people are different. Some of us ( men and women) just don't like Skype (chat), some don't feel themselves comfortable using video Skype.
When you ask girls to go on Skype they don't think that kind of test and you just want to be sure you're talking to woman, not "hairy Boris". Probably they just don't like the way they look on webcam or their English is not good enough, or they have some fears you'll show them something they don't want to see. 
Yes, may be that's a red flag. But I'd not paint all cats in black, some of them can be white and fluffy. 

[2tallbill]

I have been meeting girls on Elena's models.  It's amazing how many beautiful women respond to my emails and want to start correspondence with me.  Is this real?

It's mostly real.

The thing that makes me question this is when I ask them to Skype, most of them back out and don't want to continue writing.  Is it a faux pas to ask to Skype early on?

There are a number of things happening here.

1. There are way more men on Elena's models then there are girls
(and increasingly so).

The beautiful ones can be extremely selective. I would go to Mamba
and find girls who don't sort through dozens of letters from foreign
men and keyboard Romeos each day. 

2. If a girl doesn't have her hair, makeup and clothes just right she
won't want to chat on camera.

3. You need to sell her on the idea for a future chat meeting. If you say
something like "I know a guy 2tallbill* who flew all the way to XYZ to
meet a girl and they were disappointed with each other. I sure as heck
don't want to waste your time or my time like that sap did.

Why don't we meet on video Skype tomorrow at 8:00 pm your time and
if you think I don't look too much like a shaved monkey in my fish eyed
skype camera lens then maybe you won't run screaming away when we
meet in the airport. If she still refuses, dump her on the spot and don't
look back. 

Udachi !




Bill