Mail Order Bride Controversy

[Admin]

Hey Folks,

I want to draw your attention to a useful piece of information contained on the Wikipedia site, here -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mail_order_bride

You will note, of course, that the beginning of the citation announces a dispute and encourages participation in resolution of the dispute.

I urge EVERYONE to read through the material - form your OWN opinions as to the veracity of the claims and claimants - and PARTICIPATE in the process to resolve this. Here is the link to the appropriate 'Talk' page for resolution -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Mail-order_bride

Why do I feel this is important? I have ALWAYS been opposed to the phrase "Mail Order Bride." It was not how I met my bride - and it is not how I see anyone else meeting theirs. This is NOT to say that we do not see some agencies who try to draw people in with this insane notion - but the reality is quite different. HOWEVER - the public does NOT understand what we know - they have NOT lived the insanity of the USCIS bureaucracy - they have NOT worked HARD to overcome the geographic, language and cultural barriers that ALL of us have contended with for many years. For many (most?) of the ignorant public - what we did is: view a catalog - place an order - and someone delivered us a wife. And THAT misconception is EXACTLY how IMBRA legislation was made into law. Through ignorance and a misguided public.

We need to, as a group, become more activist in our COLLECTIVE position about the misrepresentation of people married to foreign wives. To my mind - those objections are misguided and misinformed - AND they represent a significant level of xenophobia.

Will a correction in Wikipedia change all that? No, of course not - but if it inspires you (and me) to become more activist in correcting the misinformation - than at least it's a start.

Go vote. Now.

- Dan

[Bruno]

I urge EVERYONE to read through the material - form your OWN opinions as to the veracity of the claims and claimants - and PARTICIPATE in the process to resolve this. Here is the link to the appropriate 'Talk' page for resolution -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Mail-order_bride

Already make a comment over the demographics... and post some link to RWD where is present the material and links who prove what i say... no really wish change the article itself but i have say my meaning in the discussion...

Will a correction in Wikipedia change all that? No, of course not - but if it inspires you (and me) to become more activist in correcting the misinformation - than at least it's a start.

I think that a change to wikipedia will help a lot of people... these online encyclopedie is the more big, the more visited on the web... and i like the idea that members here can share some knowledge with other people in other place...

[BC]

I read most of the wiki.. didn't find anything that really made me want to regurgitate.

I don't object to the term MOB, just misuse of it applying to any foreign wife.  Actually only one person ever asked.. my mother.  I told her 'no' and that was that.  If I had gone the agency route I would have answered 'yes' and that would have been that.

[Bruno]

I read most of the wiki.. didn't find anything that really made me want to regurgitate.

Right, not a bad article... curious to see the result when the discussion will be resolved...

I concentrate only on the demographics section and the myth that you have more women that men in ex-USSR... just find a new table on the russian census, very interesting...

http://www.perepis2002.ru/ct/doc/English/1-8.xls

Since we are mainly seeking women in the working age range, these table allow to see the population of men and women for each regio ( oblast ) in function of "under working age - working age - over working age"...

EDIT : Just put the table in the download section, in anycase hat the link don't work anymore in the future

[Mamma D]

 In November 2204 this was one of the rageing threads on the old St. Johns list...and this was my reply to a question...What is a Mail Order Bride...

Bear in mind There are not any MAIL ORDER...BRIDES. That would be slavery... we do not own another human being EVER.....
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The G.I.s have been bringing women of other
nations home for years, and I have encountered this same
stupid attitude.These are the brightest and best, I
think their country has to offer. Well educated and
strong survivers....

Every generation has had it's name for them...and
refused to accept them....sometimes. Often, it has
been a comedy of errors.. misunderstandings, and at
other times downright hatefulness.

I have noted, that when youngsters don't know ... they
bluster. This often happens with a newly arrived
immigant....or they pull into a shell.

I have also known men, that would browbeat and tell
there newly arrived wife...*You are in my country
now...and you have no rights!* I worked for awhile
with other military wives, who would take her under our
wings, until she knew she wasn't alone and helpless.

It is very intiminating to be in a place, where you
are a stanger, and not able to understand what is
happening around you. If your spouse doesn't HELP and
relate accuratly to you....it is scary and very hard.

I can tell you this, I really don't care what lable
others give Irina and Basil....they ARE *my daughter
and grandson* now and forever! And I love them dearly.

Post note .....These two awe me, and challange every day....

[Mamma D]

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOPs a little ahead!  ??? 2004 is better!

[Muj]

Marriage success statistics
The United States Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) reports that "...marriages arranged through these services would appear to have a lower divorce rate than the nation as a whole, fully 80 percent of these marriages having lasted over the years for which reports are available." [2]

Well another good reason...