Is it actually Russia that is imposing more and more costs?

[fathertime]

I agree, just like I think if Iran asks Russia for help the US and other countries shouldn't get involved.

or Syria,


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[Faux Pas]

Diplomacy is great.   I have a problem with sanctions being used to coerce behavior or threats of attack.  You can't meddle in the affairs of other nations and then say others shouldn't do the same.

Sure you can. sanctions should always be explored before war IMHO. Once war breaks out sanctions are a given. Sanctions are a tool for avoiding war. Sometimes works, sometimes not. Before and when applying sanctions on any country the history of the regime in power should always be the first consideration and priority. Russia supplying Iran with modern warfare has the propensity to make them both pariah nations to the world or rather, Russia joining Iran with that status.

Begging and pleading a regime to bend to your will often gets you nowhere as Obama could testify.

[fathertime]

May be time to revisit the Falklands issue.  It appears the a court in Argentina has ordered the seizure of all drilling assets in The Falklands....it appears they are of course British/Western based companies.  We shall see if anything develops, but the point being that Argentina may not lay down for Western (Former)imperialistic nations, reaping resources,  without more symbolic/actual actions.  Since they are not able to stand up militarily, (and that is all that REALLY matters) they may try to impose costs in any way they can.




http://news.yahoo.com/argentine-judge-orders-seizure-falklands-drillers-assets-171707707--finance.html



Argentine judge orders seizure of Falklands drillers' assets


BUENOS AIRES (Reuters) - An Argentine judge ordered the seizure of assets of oil drilling companies operating in the disputed Falklands Islands on Saturday, as rhetoric heats up before October elections.

Lilian Herraez, a federal judge in Tierra del Fuego, ordered the seizure of $156 million, boats and other property....




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[Anotherkiwi]

Lilian Herraez, a federal judge in Tierra del Fuego, ordered the seizure of $156 million, boats and other property....

Tierra del Fuego?  You're kidding, right?  Couldn't they find a judge in Buenos Aires to issue an order like this?  Or are they worried that people actually know where Buenos Aires is, could find the judge, and convince them to change his/her mind?

[fathertime]

Tierra del Fuego?  You're kidding, right?  Couldn't they find a judge in Buenos Aires to issue an order like this?  Or are they worried that people actually know where Buenos Aires is, could find the judge, and convince them to change his/her mind?

Well if Argentina had it's way, The Falklands would fall under the jurisdiction of the Tierra del Fuego province, as it is a stone's throw away...whereas Buenos Aires is on the other end of the country. 


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[sleepycat]

Well if Argentina had it's way,

Isn't that as likely as say... world poverty ending tomorrow? 

[Anotherkiwi]

Well if Argentina had it's way, The Falklands would fall under the jurisdiction of the Tierra del Fuego province, as it is a stone's throw away...whereas Buenos Aires is on the other end of the country.

Please, invite me to watch you throw a stone 500 kilometres - that would be well worth the price of admission.  As you say - "IF Argentina had its way..."  Unfortunately for them, it won't.

[fathertime]

Please, invite me to watch you throw a stone 500 kilometres - that would be well worth the price of admission.  As you say - "IF Argentina had its way..."  Unfortunately for them, it won't.
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YOU asked why the judgement was in Tierra del Fuego, and I told you why....now you are just being silly and argumentative.  Obviously I don't throw stones even 1 kilometre, it is an expression. The point being that Tierra del Fuego is the closest providence to The Falklands.  I don't think they will have their say either, right now, but they continue to make a point that resonates with some, instead of letting the issue die out completely.


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[msmobyone]

May be time to revisit the Falklands issue.  It appears the a court in Argentina has ordered the seizure of all drilling assets in The Falklands...

1/ What has this to do with this thread

2/ I note you frequently state that other contributors just like a good argument

Argentina is closer to the islands than the UK - so what ... They have no legit claim and seizing assets of those legitimately going about business is just for domestic consumption

If you had made a thread about the Kremlin proposing legislation to counter the seizure of assets of countries that legally seize Russia govt property - for failing to compensate Lukos shareholders - following losing their legal argument at an arbitration Court  and failing to respect the award to the plaintiff - I could understand - it would have more mileage

[fathertime]

1/ What has this to do with this thread

2/ I note you frequently state that other contributors just like a good argument

Argentina is closer to the islands than the UK - so what ... They have no legit claim and seizing assets of those legitimately going about business is just for domestic consumption

If you had made a thread about the Kremlin proposing legislation to counter the seizure of assets of countries that legally seize Russia govt property - for failing to compensate Lukos shareholders - following losing their legal argument at an arbitration Court  and failing to respect the award to the plaintiff - I could understand - it would have more mileage

 
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Just was giving an update on the situation a couple months ago, and  pointing out what I see as the continued hypocrisy of western nations, and some of their supporters, although you in particular are generally  fair-minded from my pov. 




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[msmobyone]

Hi FT

Did you think paying me a compliment would let you off the hook 

[fathertime]

Hi FT

Did you think paying me a compliment would let you off the hook 

hahaha...that is EXACTLY what I was thinking when I said that!   Although I can't help but find you likable despite our disagreement on this particular subject. 
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[fathertime]

If our market continues to plummet, that could have a very serious impact on our ability to get others to go along with our geopolitical policies, and our sanctions would be less effective.  Our paper wealth dropped by about 1 trillion dollars this week.  The contrarian viewpoint is that our dollar which is wonderfully high right now, is heading for a rather big fall shortly....man I sure hope not.   I'm guessing some people are chuckling in Russia, over this turn of events. 


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[mendeleyev]

I'm guessing some people are chuckling in Russia, over this turn of events.

They're not exactly chuckling due to the continued fall of the ruble as their stock market is also falling, the fact that the Kremlin has billions invested in the US Treasuries themselves, and continued plunge of oil prices.

[Photo Guy]

Whoever is chuckling is far removed from the realities of war.