Ummm what just happened?

[xiphoid]

Not sure if I ducked a bullet or not but I’ve been communicating with this girl from Kyiv for almost 3 months now. We met on EM and later switched to e-mail and Skype. She sent several nice conservative photos. Her letters gradually became more effectionate and she asked to meet several times until I made up my mind and set a date. I purchased tickets and told her my arrival time. She expressed delight and happiness at our meeting and offered to find an apartment or hotel near where she lived in the metro region Chernigov. During our communication she tried several times to Skype me but I was not around and I tried to Skype her too. Finally we set a firm time and day for last Sunday to meet on Skype. She was not there. I left several messages for her but they remain unanswered. My Skype calls to her are immediately dropped each time. (Did she block me?) She does not respond to my e-mail as she normally does. However there are some irregularities that may mean something. 1.  Early on I tried to send flowers but the service was unable to reach her because the phone number I had did not exist. I asked her to contact the service but she was not able to reach anyone. 2. After purchasing my tickets I tried flowers again but they were unable to contact her. I asked her again to call them. In her last letter to me she said she will call them the following Monday. The service told me today that she did not call. 3. Some time ago EM took her profile from view due to non-use and her incorrect phone number.  4. Early on she disappeared for awhile which turned out to be family issues in Russia. The second time we were out of touch was due to her pharmicutical seminar in Lviv. Before this trip to Lviv she urgently asked me to wait and to not forget about her. ---  In her last letter she expressed happiness to meet me on Skype, she was going to find a hotel for me, she was going to contact the flower service on Monday, and how glad she was that we were going to meet May 19. Otherwise I saw no other obvious red flags concerning the usual tricks played. She never asked or hinted for money or gifts. I’ve been at this endeavor of ours for a long time and I’ve made many trips overseas and so I am experienced enough to avoid the occasional scam attempt. But this one puzzles me. Is she ill? Accident? Other? Maybe there’s a lesson to be learned in here somewhere but I’m not sure what it is. – I sent an American Greeting card to see if it is picked up. – I do however have an old friend in Kyiv and he suggested that I keep the tickets and come over anyway. Kyiv impressed me the last time I was there so perhaps I will. Thanks for listening.

[AkMike]

Take the trip!  Wander around and maybe meet someone the `old fashioned way', face to face.
Kyiv should be beautiful with all the fruit trees in full bloom very soon. They're already starting to just south of there.

[BillyB]

Why didn't you call her earlier when the first scheduled Skype meeting didn't happen? You have her number and you would've discovered it didn't work earlier instead of wasting time.

Find someone that isn't flaky, then visit her.

[xiphoid]

Why didn't you call her earlier when the first scheduled Skype meeting didn't happen? You have her number and you would've discovered it didn't work earlier instead of wasting time.

Why? Because I'm not perfect. However I do try my best to think of everything possible, but like all of us, I didn't.

[msmobyone]

Whatever happened, she has 'gone off you'..

The number change should be a big hint...   

IF she was 'in to you' - you'd know any new number..

I see she asked you - several times - to visit....  could this be why you 'lost' her ?

You really have bought the tickets....  so go ... You have to decide whether she is worth tracking down - or moving on



Good luck

[cc3]

Kyiv is beautiful in the spring! While there, you could take a side trip on the 'high speed' Intercity train to Lviv (where I live) to visit the most fascinating and charming city in all of Ukraine (5 hours comfortably, one-way, in modern train cars with airline style seating and clean restrooms).

[Hammer2722]

Whatever you do, if you do go, make your own apartment or hotel arrangements. Do everything yourself at least for the first meeting with a woman.

[ML]

Do everything yourself at least for the first meeting with a woman.

You mean he should take matters into his own hand ??

Or handle it himself ??

[jone]

I believe, what is emerging here, is a new form of scam that is less overt but does make money.  Here are things that lead me to believe this:

1.  PPC and PPL are dying.  Too many people have learned that the gals are there only for money.  As soon as anyone hears the words Anastasia Date, there are enough people to warn off users.

2.  Many agencies have women with idle time.

3.  The Nigerians came up with a new scam that basically is just an old scam request for money.  It is called the Nigerian Dating Scam.  Typically it includes the pictures from a very beautiful girl (real or unreal).  Then the innocuous requests are made.  Maybe the woman appears on Skype.  But, ultimately, the mark is lured to Ukraine or other places.  The trick is to get the money spent in directed places.  (An apartment near my home.  My cab to pick you up at the airport.  My favorite place to eat.)

People forget that half of the A-Date type scams is to lure guys to use their services.  This type of scam is the same:  It lures them to use services that include 100% mark-up which is then split with the gal and the agency.

I have always made a first trip to meet a woman at a location I could control.  For instance a hotel where the woman could not bring goons to steal money from you and where she will appear on security cameras. 

There are all  levels of scams.  This is simply a variation on a  theme (or scheme).

[ML]

Typically it includes the pictures from a very beautiful girl (real or unreal).

What's this about an 'unreal' girl?

You mean a Stepford girl?

Are they being mass produced?  Probably a very good solution for a lot of us guys.

[AkMike]

What's this about an 'unreal' girl?

You mean a Stepford girl?

Are they being mass produced?  Probably a very good solution for a lot of us guys.

 From what I've heard many are inflatable. When you're done just put them away.

[xiphoid]

While I'm there; can anyone suggest an agency or is this a bad idea?

[BillyB]

While I'm there; can anyone suggest an agency or is this a bad idea?

Hopefully someone can recommend a good agency if you need but even a good one will charge you money for each date they hook you up with.

I found out that if I'm active, I can get plenty of phone numbers from women after talking to them on the streets. Go to a café and introduce yourself to a woman that is sitting alone and ask if you can join her. I got 3 phone numbers a day in Kiev and the reason I didn't get more is because the rest of the day I am busy dating the ladies.

Mamba is also a good place to get dates. If you don't have a favorite to visit, a few days before you arrive, announce to lady's in Kiev that you are coming and many will be interested in meeting you. If you tell women you're currently in Kiev and would like to meet them, many would be interested in meeting you. You still have to use your big head in figuring out their intentions but there is no reason for any guy to be lonely in the FSU.

[Shadow]

It seems you were the backup plan.

[David1963]

It seems you were the backup plan.

Yep^^^

Find a good agency and let them know you are coming, the women will be happy to meet you.  Maybe you will steal a girl who is writing someone currently, just as happened to you.

[2tallbill]

If you are in Kiev, if you don't have one already get an account on Mamba. There are
thousands of girls from Kiev on Mamba at all times. Pick a hundred of them and ask
to meet them for tea at a cafe.

If you don't have mutual chemistry and interest then never date them again even if
they are the hottest girl you've ever met in your life. Keep meeting girls until you
find one where both of you click. Don't recycle girls! don't go back and meet a girl
that you already met but kept dating. If she was the one then you would have stopped
and pursued her exclusively.

If you find a pretty girl with whom you have mutual chemistry and she passes all
the first date tests. Then you stop dating and pursue her exclusively. Explain to her
that you want to spend as much time with her as possible. If she is as hot about you
as you are about her, she will find a way. If she can't find a way then it's NOT her,
dump her and move on.

Udachi!

Bill

[ML]

It seems you were the backup plan.

No . . . only men can have backup plans.

It is illegal in most countries for women to have backup plans.

[ML]

Don't recycle girls!

Big Bill, you flunk Ecology 101.

Recycling is the thing to do for caring world citizens.

[2tallbill]

Big Bill, you flunk Ecology 101.

Recycling is the thing to do for caring world citizens.

Nope, I got this one right. My theory is that once she is rejected that you don't
date her again. That way she is perfectly suitable for others to date and is brand
new for them. FSUW are a renewable resource.

[Chicagoguy]

A few years ago when I was in a café and had my IPad on the girls/women would all do a double take when they walked by and saw the English.
Unfortunately, every time I was busy writing another. Still, a possible conversation starter.

[xiphoid]

More strangeness. Yesterday morning she contacted me thanking me for a greeting card I sent her last weekend. She then asked to meet next Sunday along with her usual affection. I said ok but why had she gone silent? Today I see I was removed from her Skype. Mental illness comes to mind.

[xiphoid]

You were right BillyB. I now have a lunch date waiting for me in Kyiv.

[BillyB]

Keep up the good work and you'll have multiple dates waiting for you in Kiev.

[msmobyone]

More strangeness. Yesterday morning she contacted me thanking me for a greeting card I sent her last weekend. She then asked to meet next Sunday along with her usual affection. I said ok but why had she gone silent? Today I see I was removed from her Skype. Mental illness comes to mind.

You will drive yourself mental-trying to work it out..

She's clearly been 'busy' doing other things and decided that 'as you are here' ...