retirement

[LAman]

This is ridiculous.  I just wrote a few days ago that my spouse owns multiple properties in Ukraine.

Outside the center of Kyiv, she has an old Kruschevka 2 room apartment on 4th floor with no elevator. Similar apartments are selling for $50,000 or so.

 

Doesn't matter what they're selling for, what is price someone has paid recently(within couple months)? And a certain 'area' or certain 'building' can certainly affect pricing. Personally, I would never buy anything without elevator higher than 2nd floor.

[2tallbill]

I'm retired in Ukraine and you need to remember that they have a 90/180 rule. 90 days in country and 90 days out.  You can jump thru some hoops to get a Temp. residency for a year max.
 I'm full time Perm. Residency based on more than 2 years of marriage and also more than 100k invested in the country.

There's not a better/lower cost solution with a Ukrainian wife?

[drsecu]

This is ridiculous.  I just wrote a few days ago that my spouse owns multiple properties in Ukraine.

Outside the center of Kyiv, she has an old Kruschevka 2 room apartment on 4th floor with no elevator. Similar apartments are selling for $50,000 or so.

No one here would want to live in anything in Kyiv area that is less expensive than this, and most of us wouldn't even be happy living there for any period of time.

Kyivpost had a article about $20k apartments before I visited as being the norm.  When visiting, I saw them in ad and mentioned it to the Ukrainian girl (how can that be only $10k I thought it was $20k and up) and she said no that is Kyiv district not Kyiv city, that would be normal (why this nice looking one was only $10k).  That is why I said outside of Kyiv.  There are billboards all of the city for the new buildings that are preselling or new, 12,600 uah per m3, etc.  The most expensive one I recall with a posted priced was 19,000uah per cubic meter. 

Additionally the rents I have seen would justify the low prices.  The extremely nice apartment I rented right on the main street in Kyiv was only $29 a night, with all modern amenities, like everything including condoms.  The more basic rent for $13/night.  I asked 4 different Ukrainians about rents in Kyiv city I don't remember all the exact prices but they were all paying $120-190 per month.  The ROIs should be similar across the world.  My $50k apartments here rent for $600 a month.  If someone is only getting $120-190 there they need to have $10-16k tops invested if they hope to make anything.

[msmob]

The ROIs should be similar across the world. 

Judging by ML's posts he has property in at least 3 countries...he might be better advising ... certainly the ROI on a studio apartment in Sochi is FAR better than same in my part of the UK ...4 times the cost and only just over two times the rental income

[JayH]

On the 90/180 Ukraine, I've heard from people staying in Ukraine for 5+ years now they just pay the fine (900uah, about $35USD) and your clear and reenter the next day if you wish.  The 180 days is from the start of the first trip, so you would only have issue on re-entry if between 90 and 180 days and it is not a new calendar year yet (resets on Jan 1).  So you need to overstay your free visa by at least 90 days each time if you need to leave come pack within the calendar year.

What a confusing way to state so much incorrectly.

On 90 in 180 days ---- the simple way to explain it -- in the LAST 180 days   A new  period resets daily  ie a new 180 period starts every day.
 To say it another way-- to calculate -you count days backwards up to the 180 th day -- and you are allowed 90 days in that period( including the arrival and departure days in the 90)
The only relevance of the first arrival date is that it starts the clock on a 180 day period.

Your comment on overstay is garbage -- in the past the fine has been relatively small -- and the ability to calculate was questionable.
Now -- as in more recent times-- the system is now computerised and the chances of an overstay going unnoticed is in a very low % chance.
Betting that an overstay will always be treated so leniently is a big risk-- the possibility for a 5 year exclusion is real-- as is a potential permanent exclusion. It should not be presumed that after being in breach that you are free to renter on the same basis as previously.

If you have read or been told otherwise -it is outdated  info .